West Indies v Australia, 2nd Test, Trinidad April 12, 2012

Shillingford added to Test squad

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Offspinner Shane Shillingford has been added to the West Indies squad for the second Test against Australia, beginning on April 15 at Queen's Park Oval in Trinidad.

Shillingford's inclusion is the only change to the squad that lost the first Test in Barbados by three wickets. He took 38 wickets in five matches for Windward Islands in this year's Regional Four-Day tournament.

Shillingford played five Test for West Indies, the last of which was against Sri Lanka in November 2010. He underwent remedial work on an action that was deemed illegal after that tour of Sri Lanka and made the squad for the tour of Bangladesh in 2011, although he did not play a match.

Squad: Darren Sammy (capt), Kirk Edwards (vc), Adrian Barath, Carlton Baugh (wk), Devendra Bishoo, Kraigg Brathwaite, Darren Bravo, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Narsingh Deonarine, Fidel Edwards, Kieran Powell, Ravi Rampaul, Kemar Roach, Shane Shillingford

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  • POSTED BY simonviller on | April 15, 2012, 11:39 GMT

    I am thinking that guys like Brathwaite,K Edwards ,Deonarine,BISHOO and Chandervaul ,are at a disadvantage by not playing any form of international cricket ,outside of test cricket ,while all the others are ;then they are thrust into the tough test environment where they then have to find form and that competitive spirit ,at the highest level and it shows early in the series .I think that this has affected Bishoo particularly ,more more so than the others .

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | April 15, 2012, 11:17 GMT

    @Spacerone ! Do you realise that your team has six tails ? Add two more , if you wont an octopus ,instead a cricket team .

  • POSTED BY aclarity on | April 15, 2012, 1:33 GMT

    This 1st test match was lost initially due to poor 2nd innings batting but primarily due to poor captaincy and worse poor management by the coach Gibson. How on earth, in fading light, you try to draw a test with spinners bowling in the final 4 overs and no bouncers? Gibson sat on his hands and let Sammy make that error. I say 70% of the blame falls on Gibson. Good coaches act. Is it the Frank Worrell philosophy "Leave well alone." If Frank Worrell were alive he would say well is not good enough we must strive for greatness. We need to revolutionize our thinking.

  • POSTED BY aclarity on | April 15, 2012, 1:29 GMT

    In the last 4 test matches that Fidel Edwards played he got a total of 7 wickets. Great bowler! Let's continue with him or do we say like Maurice Foster "it's a waste of pace." At his age and stage, Edwards is getting worse. I do not know how he can retain a place in a WI test 18 squad. Oh yes I know. We leave well alone. Bishoo must also be dropped temporarily. His form is not good lately.

  • POSTED BY Swingit on | April 14, 2012, 19:40 GMT

    @Bill Jordan I actually think you are on to something. As much as I like Shillingford as a spinner i am not sure what the famous "remedial" order may have done to his confidence and indeed his skills. This will be his first test since he was called suspect action, if he plays in TnT. I think the selectors should read this and go with every one of your suggestions. Maybe try this out of the box thinking for one test. If Sammy is not fit for the test Sunday then simply replace him with Shilling in your line up.

  • POSTED BY Reuelsean on | April 14, 2012, 19:17 GMT

    @Mike Rowan, Bravo has only played 14 test matches, and has scored 3 centuries, and 7 half centuries, at an ave of 51, how could you, of sound mind say that he is a big let down? Bravo would get where he has too eventually, and i for one am very happy with the progress that the young man is making, and at 23 he has done well. In terms of Barath, i would agree with you there, he has been a let down, and seems to be pronged to injury, but he is still a very young man, as well as a good player, and i have no doubt that he would improve, and after the amount of chances that devon smith was given, chances he didn't even reward. give the young guys a chance, they would come good. if they don't produce over time, then you are free to suggest them dropped, but it must be something remedial, to help them. as of right now, no way. and there is no way that Bravo has been a big let down, absolutely no way. Bravo is the best young batsman we have in the wi right now, hands down.

  • POSTED BY Reuelsean on | April 14, 2012, 18:48 GMT

    @Mike Rowan, the bottom line is that Edwards should know better, I am a big fan of Edwards, i have always been and i still am, but truth be told, he didn't play the role that he was supposed too in the last match, he was supposed to be the senior bowler but he didn't do the job, especially playing on his home ground being used to the conditions, especially seeing that the aus tail put on so many runs. i am not saying to drop him from the side, but he needs to be dropped for the next match, for rampaul to be given a chance, because we all know sammy isn't going to be rested. I also agree that our batsmen could have done better in the second inns, but look at the way the aus bowled in their second inns, the aus tail added over a hundred runs, our problem is the inability to finish off an inns, and that function lays with the bowlers. Bishoo should also be left out, shilli is a much better bowler than him and should take his place.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 15:32 GMT

    @Reuelsean how many time roach bowled garbage and no one was calling for him to be drop.the most consistent fast bowler west indies have is not even on the team.you bowl one bad game and you calling for people to be drop.as far as for bravo he has been a big let down and people were saying he is the next lara....more like the next marlon samuel..barath is the next let down but i would say he been plagued by injury for the most of his early career.west indies biggest problem is the batting and you folks out there are in denial....

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 15:01 GMT

    What does Brendan Nash have to do to get a knock? WI batting needs some backbone and Nash fits the profile. Or WI can just stick with the one inning wonders of late.

    40 Kent v Northants Northampton 12 Apr 2012 67, 0/18, 0/1 Kent v Yorkshire Leeds 5 Apr 2012 2/17, 74 Kent v Glamorgan Canterbury 28 Mar 2012 2/30, 42 Kent v Glamorgan Canterbury 27 Mar 2012 1, 30 Jamaica v Trinidad & T Port of Spain 9 Mar 2012 205*, 0/2, 10* Jamaica v Guyana North Sound 24 Feb 2012

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 14:08 GMT

    First, I was very disappointed with the West Indies play on the 4th and 5th days of the 1st test in Barbados. However, I saw enough to tell me that we can compete with Australia. Our batsmen MUST put a greater value on their wickets. This is not to be critical about Sammy's leadership; but I would say he missed out on a few opportunities to put a bit of pressure on the Australian batsmen in their 2nd innings. All said and done, he gets an A for effort from me. For the 2nd test, I would leave out Bishoo and include Rampaul. If we have a batsman who can bowl a few slow ones, that's good enough. I would put Denorine to open and bat Barath at 3 or 5. Reason: Barath's shot selection is too loose at this time. He reminds me of a young Kanhai. This is my order: Brathwaite, Denorine, Chanderpaul, Edwards, Bravo, Barath, Baugh, Sammy, Rampaul, Roach, Edwards. Chanderpaul has more test ecperience than all of the other 5 batsmen combined, so he should be up there to help them. 138 - 36

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | April 15, 2012, 11:39 GMT

    I am thinking that guys like Brathwaite,K Edwards ,Deonarine,BISHOO and Chandervaul ,are at a disadvantage by not playing any form of international cricket ,outside of test cricket ,while all the others are ;then they are thrust into the tough test environment where they then have to find form and that competitive spirit ,at the highest level and it shows early in the series .I think that this has affected Bishoo particularly ,more more so than the others .

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | April 15, 2012, 11:17 GMT

    @Spacerone ! Do you realise that your team has six tails ? Add two more , if you wont an octopus ,instead a cricket team .

  • POSTED BY aclarity on | April 15, 2012, 1:33 GMT

    This 1st test match was lost initially due to poor 2nd innings batting but primarily due to poor captaincy and worse poor management by the coach Gibson. How on earth, in fading light, you try to draw a test with spinners bowling in the final 4 overs and no bouncers? Gibson sat on his hands and let Sammy make that error. I say 70% of the blame falls on Gibson. Good coaches act. Is it the Frank Worrell philosophy "Leave well alone." If Frank Worrell were alive he would say well is not good enough we must strive for greatness. We need to revolutionize our thinking.

  • POSTED BY aclarity on | April 15, 2012, 1:29 GMT

    In the last 4 test matches that Fidel Edwards played he got a total of 7 wickets. Great bowler! Let's continue with him or do we say like Maurice Foster "it's a waste of pace." At his age and stage, Edwards is getting worse. I do not know how he can retain a place in a WI test 18 squad. Oh yes I know. We leave well alone. Bishoo must also be dropped temporarily. His form is not good lately.

  • POSTED BY Swingit on | April 14, 2012, 19:40 GMT

    @Bill Jordan I actually think you are on to something. As much as I like Shillingford as a spinner i am not sure what the famous "remedial" order may have done to his confidence and indeed his skills. This will be his first test since he was called suspect action, if he plays in TnT. I think the selectors should read this and go with every one of your suggestions. Maybe try this out of the box thinking for one test. If Sammy is not fit for the test Sunday then simply replace him with Shilling in your line up.

  • POSTED BY Reuelsean on | April 14, 2012, 19:17 GMT

    @Mike Rowan, Bravo has only played 14 test matches, and has scored 3 centuries, and 7 half centuries, at an ave of 51, how could you, of sound mind say that he is a big let down? Bravo would get where he has too eventually, and i for one am very happy with the progress that the young man is making, and at 23 he has done well. In terms of Barath, i would agree with you there, he has been a let down, and seems to be pronged to injury, but he is still a very young man, as well as a good player, and i have no doubt that he would improve, and after the amount of chances that devon smith was given, chances he didn't even reward. give the young guys a chance, they would come good. if they don't produce over time, then you are free to suggest them dropped, but it must be something remedial, to help them. as of right now, no way. and there is no way that Bravo has been a big let down, absolutely no way. Bravo is the best young batsman we have in the wi right now, hands down.

  • POSTED BY Reuelsean on | April 14, 2012, 18:48 GMT

    @Mike Rowan, the bottom line is that Edwards should know better, I am a big fan of Edwards, i have always been and i still am, but truth be told, he didn't play the role that he was supposed too in the last match, he was supposed to be the senior bowler but he didn't do the job, especially playing on his home ground being used to the conditions, especially seeing that the aus tail put on so many runs. i am not saying to drop him from the side, but he needs to be dropped for the next match, for rampaul to be given a chance, because we all know sammy isn't going to be rested. I also agree that our batsmen could have done better in the second inns, but look at the way the aus bowled in their second inns, the aus tail added over a hundred runs, our problem is the inability to finish off an inns, and that function lays with the bowlers. Bishoo should also be left out, shilli is a much better bowler than him and should take his place.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 15:32 GMT

    @Reuelsean how many time roach bowled garbage and no one was calling for him to be drop.the most consistent fast bowler west indies have is not even on the team.you bowl one bad game and you calling for people to be drop.as far as for bravo he has been a big let down and people were saying he is the next lara....more like the next marlon samuel..barath is the next let down but i would say he been plagued by injury for the most of his early career.west indies biggest problem is the batting and you folks out there are in denial....

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 15:01 GMT

    What does Brendan Nash have to do to get a knock? WI batting needs some backbone and Nash fits the profile. Or WI can just stick with the one inning wonders of late.

    40 Kent v Northants Northampton 12 Apr 2012 67, 0/18, 0/1 Kent v Yorkshire Leeds 5 Apr 2012 2/17, 74 Kent v Glamorgan Canterbury 28 Mar 2012 2/30, 42 Kent v Glamorgan Canterbury 27 Mar 2012 1, 30 Jamaica v Trinidad & T Port of Spain 9 Mar 2012 205*, 0/2, 10* Jamaica v Guyana North Sound 24 Feb 2012

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 14:08 GMT

    First, I was very disappointed with the West Indies play on the 4th and 5th days of the 1st test in Barbados. However, I saw enough to tell me that we can compete with Australia. Our batsmen MUST put a greater value on their wickets. This is not to be critical about Sammy's leadership; but I would say he missed out on a few opportunities to put a bit of pressure on the Australian batsmen in their 2nd innings. All said and done, he gets an A for effort from me. For the 2nd test, I would leave out Bishoo and include Rampaul. If we have a batsman who can bowl a few slow ones, that's good enough. I would put Denorine to open and bat Barath at 3 or 5. Reason: Barath's shot selection is too loose at this time. He reminds me of a young Kanhai. This is my order: Brathwaite, Denorine, Chanderpaul, Edwards, Bravo, Barath, Baugh, Sammy, Rampaul, Roach, Edwards. Chanderpaul has more test ecperience than all of the other 5 batsmen combined, so he should be up there to help them. 138 - 36

  • POSTED BY Reuelsean on | April 14, 2012, 12:36 GMT

    @Mike Rowan, you r talking rubbish. Edwards bowled horribly, his lines were all wrong, and his length was off, Kensington is his home ground, and he didn't do it any justice, Roach bowled beautifully, hats off to him. As for Bishoo, his bowling was extremely poor, he bowled short most of the times, and was totally out bowled by deonarine, who is as normal a bowler as breathing, so yeah both edwards and bishoo deserves to be dropped for this match. As far as Barath goes, who are you going to replace him with? Gayle? he is not even in the squad, and do you have any idea how long it takes to travel from india to the wi? and dont even mention keiran powell because he isn't ready just yet. As for dropping Bravo you r just being foolish, the guy makes 51 in the first inns, and top scores in the second, and you want him dropped with an ave of over 50 after he has been one of our most consistent players since coming into the team.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 11:30 GMT

    Micheal Clarke knows the windies top order is weak, inexperienced & could easily be gotten rid of that is why he declared behind on first innings runs. Every relevant side in world cricket other than England & Pakistan has 1 or more batmen who is aggressive and scores quickly i.e. Sehwag, Dilshan, McCallum Smith even Bangladesh have Tamim Iqbal. That is what west indies is missing. an attacking batsman who can take the momentum from the bowling side and dictate the run of play. Since Gayle, Pollard & Russell are at IPL & Sammy refuses to try anything outside the box bringing in Dwayne Smith for either of Brathwaite or Bharat would have been a prudent move as he has the ability to make Harris, Siddle & co think twice which lets face it neither Brathwaite or Powell has. Smith also can do a bit of bowling which would ease Sammy's workload. These Selectors are so blind its not funny

  • POSTED BY krish_5883 on | April 14, 2012, 10:51 GMT

    why not include M.samuels, narine, C.Gayle, D.bravo. because IPL. my selection team: C.gayle,a.barath,K.edwards, D.bravo,m.samuel, chanderpaul, Ramdin, sammy(c), rampaul, roach, narine or bishoo. this is very good team.

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | April 14, 2012, 4:59 GMT

    It will take a long time to get this formula right ,so until then ,we have to keep mixing and matching players . THEY are some good prospects coming through the pipeline, who can bat and bowl well and that's what we need for the future . It was sad to watch only two fast men trying to put heat on the Australians ,no wonder the bowling petered out at times . Australia had four and four spinners [five if you count Ponting ] . WI had two fast men, one medium and two spinners ,which shows how much more is needed for our restructuring .We saw it in the Indian tour and now here again ; tough job selectors , I hope we can win the next one .Keep hope alive guys .

  • POSTED BY purna478 on | April 14, 2012, 3:36 GMT

    they need narine otherwise any one con"t replace his position

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | April 14, 2012, 1:37 GMT

    Shillingford? Oh boy haha, im shaking.

  • POSTED BY gloriouscricket on | April 14, 2012, 1:13 GMT

    How soon we forget. Is there a place for Dwayne Smith in Windies cricket? He is more than a 20/20 player; What about Benn & Miller? Shillingford,s inclusion in the team will give WI that edge,he like Benn, has that control of flight & bounce.the faster ball,Benn is fearless, he is quite a competitor,he needs another chance.Bravo should come good in this test, I say retain him,Bring in Dwayne Smith for Brathwaite; Deonarine should be back for the 2nd. test @ The Oval.Edwards is a much better bowler than you saw in the 1st.test .The team need to find a place for Rampaul,Lets see the report on the Captain,s fitness level, if he is not fit, then Ravi comes in, you need more than 5 specialist bowlers;The batsmen need to perform.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 0:59 GMT

    I honestly believe bishoo should be dropped from the starting eleven and be replaced by Shane shillingford,we all saw what Deonarine as a part time off spinner,bishoo has never really been himself after his debut test in his home ground in Guyana where he was in a massive partnership with shiv on a difficult pitch to set up a winning total,he was called upon soon after to bowl 20 overs straight,he's a very good bowler but he should be rotated in test matches he physic doesn't allow for the demands in which he's been used over the last yea...

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 0:20 GMT

    why are you calling for edwards and bishoo being drop while the second inning batting was dismal also..how about dropping bravo and bringing back sarwan or dropping barath and bring back gayle. wesst indies should have won that match if they would have batted well.the wiclket was not a wicket for spinners period.

  • POSTED BY VincyPuristProvi on | April 13, 2012, 23:50 GMT

    @Godfrey Pieters, did u look at Bishoo's performance.Before this series i think that everyone knows to expect atleast one short ball per over,atleast.I actually felt sorry for him as it seems he resllyisn't confident.I remember Holding showing us on a replay that Bishoo can indeed bowl a googley,but he hardly uses this.Dropping him might hurt his confidence that he already seems to lack,but we are not playing ppl to help them gain their confidence,we are playing the persons u think could help the team win.I think Shilly should have had a go since back in bangladesh and India and this is his time.Plus he could actually bat.

  • POSTED BY SirViv1973 on | April 13, 2012, 23:02 GMT

    It has to be said since his 100 on debut in Aus Barath has been a huge dissapointment. In almost any other test team he would have been dropped by now but Windies just don't have anyone else who canl come in and do any better. Even though Gayle has indicated he is ready to return, I'm just not sure he will make himself available for tests again. He has already ruled himself out of this series and the tests against Eng because it clashes with the IPL. I have said before and will say aagin IPL is a huge problem for Win cricket its the reason Why CG and Bravo have not played a test for 18 mths and the likes of Narine, russell and Pollard should all be featuring in this series, as well as sammy has done recently Russell has the potential to be atleast as good a bowler and be a decent no7 bat, that would allow either Baugh or Ramdin to bat at 8 as neither is good enough to bat 7 & look at wot Warner has done for Aus Surley Pollard has the abilty to make a similar impact for win?

  • POSTED BY Douggy on | April 13, 2012, 21:51 GMT

    Rampaul and Shillingford in F.Edwards and Bishoo out i was especially disappointed with Bishoo as he is an excellent bowler just needs to sort out his game at the moment. I maintain this is still a very capable team of beating the Aussies , they actually played great cricket for 3 days and ordinary cricket for the other two. Once that consistency arrives we could see them moving up the test rankings.

  • POSTED BY PACERONE on | April 13, 2012, 21:40 GMT

    What is all this bull about Sammy having courage and determination? Why don't we just look for 11 players that play like Sammy and we should win lots of matches. Did he show determination after getting a chance on 12? After his good first spell did he show determination? I am not blaming him for the loss.But this talk of he is good for the team,bringing the team together is all bull.We have been close to winning matches many times only to lose.The trend continues. I say we drop Brathwaite and play Dwayne Smith as the opener..he cannot be worse than Brathwaite..4 zeroes in the second innings.Not a brilliant fielder. Team should read.Barath,Smith Edwards Bravo, Chanderpaul, Deorarine,Baugh,Rampaul,Roach.Benn and Shillingfordand Sammy.

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 20:27 GMT

    Face it everyone Sammy lost us that 1st test. He has no idea how to occupy a crease. His hit-out or get-out attitude to batting is a problem. So you come in at #7 with a match on the line as captain u should be last out, otherwise u have lost the plot. do not blame the young guys. This oz team put 4 past India with Sachin, Dravid and others. There is no disrespect in grinding out and innings Clarke and Husseys did it and they are world class. Sammy must realise he is not Lara that can take apart an attack while scoring a centry. nuff said

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 20:11 GMT

    How many tests has Gayle won for the WI ?

    How many tests haveeteam won when he was in the team?

    How many test have the WI won when lara...Gayle ..chanderpaul...sarwan...were in the team. I bet they didn't win 10.

    Gayle is no saviour for WI cricket in fact he is one of the problems. A beast created and influenced by the LARA effect which is selfish indiscipline.

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 18:18 GMT

    adding shillingford to the team will "POSSIBLY" add a little more zest to the bowling.. deonarine bowled well... bishoo was dismal.... I think bishoo and edwards should be dropped and replaced with shillingford and rampaul

  • POSTED BY cricketdebator on | April 13, 2012, 18:17 GMT

    With due respect to what has been written before, West indies lost the test when they failed to secure a sizable lead of at least 150 runs in the first innings. So from that perspective, I blame the bowlers for failing to finish the job then. A lead of 150 added to the second innings of 148 would have meant Australia chasing 300, which would have given WI a more that even chance of winning. The inclusion of Shillingford is a good move, and he should definate be in the starting eleven. I've always known that Australian are good players of leg spin bowling and therefore Bishoo would be ineffective against them, and should not be selected. As for Fidel Edwards, he's an inconsistent bowler and irresponsible batman, and really serves no purpose. He should definate be replaced by Rampaul. West Indies have shown that they can compete with this Australian team, and I won't be surprised if they at least draw the series.

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 17:58 GMT

    I believe this team is capable of beating Australia honestly i would drop Bishoo he is a good bowler but i think hes lackin in a bit of form and i would also drop B augh and give young shane dowrich a play other than that i think we are good to go

  • POSTED BY Rally_Windies on | April 13, 2012, 17:31 GMT

    Godfrey Pieters

    I'd say the bowling failed.. Austrailia was 230-7 and made 400 ... 15 mins after the Austrailians declared, after tailenders bashed our bowlers making the pitch look like a sitter.. Australian bowlers came out and got bounce and movement! did the pitch change in 15 minutes? in the 2nd Innings Deonarine threatened to win the game for the West Indies .. Doenarine ! ...

    @ Lisa White? seriously Powell and Shillingford? Not Nakita Miller? the best spinner in the region for 3 years (before Narine came onto the scene) Not Fuadin? Why Powell & Shillingford? Nakita Miller has a regional bowling average of 16.. after 48 games.... that is AWESOME ..... even Ambrose only managed a regional average of 19 ..... Sammy's is 27, Edwards is 30 ...Shillingford is 25.... (Narine is 11, but only after 6 games)

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 15:17 GMT

    like i said before WI has no chance at all ,until the experience players are involve it is a waste of time and a lesson to the board an those selectors

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 15:06 GMT

    AM I missing something here? The batters screwed up & and u r changing the bowlers. U were asking a #7 bowling attack to bowl out a #3 batting line up in 2 sessions for less than 192 runs. Come on less us be real. Not impossible but very very unlikely. None of the bowlers bowled badly, the task was more than them. And with some luck might have pulled it off. I repeat don't drop Bishoo u will destroy his confidence, he is a very good bowler. We lost because of the batters, look at them.

  • POSTED BY Regulator on | April 13, 2012, 14:47 GMT

    I love the inclusion of Shilly. I was surprised he was not picked in the original squad. The side is easy to pick. I think the only person on the squad not deserving is Powell. We could have Simmonds for Adrian, he is however match rusty. The only other move I could see right no is to make a bold move and bring in Dwayne Smith for Adrian.

    My 11 for Sunday;

    Craig, Adrian, Edwards, Bravo, Chanderpaul, Deo, Baugh, Sammy, Rampual, Roach, Shilly.

  • POSTED BY Reuelsean on | April 13, 2012, 14:29 GMT

    @kristen Ali, i agree with you, Shillingford should play in the 2nd test, in fact he should have played in the first as well. Bishoo needs to be dropped, he bowled horribly in the first test, a short ball or two every over, sometimes even a wide ball as well, even Deonarine bowled with more sense, as well as a more consistent line and length, than bishoo. In terms of Tino Best, he needs to be kept as far away from the wi team as possible, he had his chances, and did nothing, so now there isn't a place for him, that spot needs to go to Rampaul, who has proven his worth over the last year in test and ODI's for the wi. Fidel's performance really disappointed me in the first test, i expected a much better performance in terms of line and length from him, he needs to be left out of the second test, to be replaced by rampaul. Thumbs up to Kemar Roach, he bowled brilliantly.

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 14:26 GMT

    @ VivGilchrist Gayle is an ok test opener but at the moment maybe Cook, Strauss & Graeme Smith are the only openers in test cricket who selectors would think twice about replacing them with Gayle bearing in mind the crucial role each of those 3 play as leaders in their respective teams. I am almost sure Australia's coach wouldnt mind trading up from Cowan or Warner to Gayle. India would give Ghambir or Sehwag the boot twice as quickly.

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 14:11 GMT

    People are not addressing what I consider to be the biggest problem we face in developing our test team to a level where we can compete with the best. I see our problem as this. Just a couple of weeks ago, Carlton Baugh scored a very good 140 odd against Trinidad & Tobago in the Regional first class competition. I was there and saw it for myself. When someone can dominate an attack in a first class game and when picked for a test vs Aust looks like he does not have a clue how to construct an innings it tells you something about the standard of first class cricket in the West Indies. If we don't fix this our players will not be able to make the transition to test cricket. This has to be addressed urgently.

  • POSTED BY Reuelsean on | April 13, 2012, 14:06 GMT

    @vivGilchrist, Gayle's test average in the last 3 years has been over 50, at about 54, that is good enough to make a difference to the side. While i agree that Dwayne Bravo has not lived up to his potential, he does ave 31, with two centuries against Australia in aus, and while he fell out of form after injury, he has very much shown that he is back to his old self with bat and ball, which is more than could be said about Sammy. Yes i agree with you, that Fidel Edwards has been disappointing, thats why Rampaul should have played in the first game. the people calling for a change in some personnel are right to do so, bishoo is being found out now, consistently bowling short, doesn't have a goggly, and a basic lack of variation, one would have thought that he would have been working to up his game while he was away from test, clearly he has not. Shillingford is a better bowler than bishoo, and he should get the nod for the 2nd test.

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 13:29 GMT

    i think the way 2 go is to play 3 frontline seamers in edwards, roach and rampaul. we already have deonarine 2 bowl 2 lefties and bishoo 4 righthanders. for me bravo has 2 earn a place instead of being picked bcus he reminds some of lara yea he had a good year last year but we start over every year and this year he has been slack

  • POSTED BY TeamSelector on | April 13, 2012, 13:24 GMT

    I agree with the general trend of the comments so far ... Rampaul & Shillingford should replace Fidel & Bishoo. I was never a fan of Sammy, but the man has courage & his performances against the Aussies has been a real eye opener. I think he now truly deserves his place in the team at #7. Deonarine has done enough to retain his spot at #6. Barath & Baugh need to calm down & up their game. Does anyone know why Shiv insists at batting at #5? I think he needs to step up to #4 & shepherd Kirk & Bravo. 1-Barath, 2-Brathwaite, 3-Kirk, 4-Shiv, 5-Bravo, 6-Deonarine, 7-Sammy, 8-Baugh, 9-Rampaul, 10-Shillingford, 11-Roach.

  • POSTED BY Bluntman on | April 13, 2012, 12:35 GMT

    I say the selectors should get bold and pick 3 specialist seamers + Shillingford. Easier said than done because I really don't know who to drop since Sammy is captain.

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | April 13, 2012, 12:32 GMT

    Bishoo had a very poor match in Barbados so I suppose Shillingford's selection isn't a great surprise. However, the guy that ought to be playing, Narine, is off making easy money in India bowling 4-over spells with no-one round the bat. I can't think of anything worse for a young spin bowler.

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 11:17 GMT

    FIDEL'S body language in the 1st test didn't suggest that all was well with the coach and himself. So until they could resolve that get Rampaul in the team. Bishoo has to get that googly going, he has become 2 predictable. Don't drop Bishoo, that will be a grave mistake. Now that Bishoo knows that Shane is around, he will work on that googly. Shane is good but not to replace Bishoo. Deonaraine will suffice for now. Barath is the man to keep an i on. If he fails in the2nd test he should be replaced by the next in line. He is going nowhere, & in a hurry.

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 10:38 GMT

    I know Shane personally and he deserves to be in the team, he bowls a doosra which troubles so many batsmen. He also is very passionate and is a really nice person, surely WI should play to spinners in these conditions so he would work really well with Bishoo to make a great combination. Also, I once saw Tino Best playing for Ilford (my father was his captain) and he played with so much passion and he bowls around 90mph now so surely he would be a good replacement for one of the fast bowlers?

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 9:45 GMT

    Only way forward Otis Gibson have to go he's rubbish.Then we will have a better team in the WI.We have so many great players in the WI, what are doing with Gibson he doesn't know what the West Indian people want.

  • POSTED BY Sachit1979 on | April 13, 2012, 8:15 GMT

    Looks like yet another error by Windies selectors. When Deonaraine is already doing off spinner duties along with reputation of a batsman, where is the room for another off spinner in the playing 11? It should have either been Jamaican Nikita Miller or Barbadian Suleiman Benn both left armers or Jamaican Odean Brown the leg spinner.

    ANOTHER VERY VERY AMBITIOUS THOUGHT, COULD SAMMY BECOME A TEST OPENER REPLACING OUT OF FORM BARATH TO MAKE ROOM FOR CONVINCING RAVI RAMPAUL?

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | April 13, 2012, 7:27 GMT

    @Merlin Moore ! I would have to agree more with your changes ,more so than [Lloyd Phillips ] except that I would interchange Powell for an inconsistant Barath . @Lloyd Phillips ,as I recall it's more the off spin variety which had the more sucess against the OZ men ,so Shillingford might be a better fit than Miller,against those " lefties " . It would be great to play two spinners and three pacers, but we cannot afford that luxury ,due to lack of consistency in our batting mostly ;that's why I would make one further change with, mouth -piece [tail-ender wicket keeper ] out for Ramadin , if fit . I still think that we need more versatile individuals in the team who can contribute with both bat and ball . Truth be told ,we are still a long way off from the rebuilding process ,though we can do better with who we have .

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 4:53 GMT

    wi need to get their act together why in the world they expect to beat a top team with the bowlingvcombanation that they have w/i is the only team in the world that plays with 5 bowlers in a test australia had 8 in this match our bats men must learn to bowl and bowl more often so that u can have a variety of bowlers to choose in a game look at australia m/clarke/s watson /m hussey all batsmen but can still bowl and take wickets who do we have other than the 5 i call before it is time we look beyond fidel edwards also sammy need to be more creative as a captain it beats me how he never even give chanderpaul a few overs at the tailenders in au /first innings also he didnt bowl narine more in the first innings varieties win matches not up and down bowlings all the time this game now is about thinking not just spinning a toss it is a known fact that as/always struggle against spin bowling rest sammy play ramphaul/for edwards miller for bishoo/powellfor sammy give the capt to edwards

  • POSTED BY on | April 13, 2012, 4:17 GMT

    I'll pick Shillingford over Bishoo any day, because Bishoo seems afraid to give flight to the ball, he just keeps darting it in. Besides, we can expect a short and wide ball that will be given the treatment in every over . Having no googley makes him much too predictable to be effective. On the other hand, Shillingford has a great doosra, not to mention a height advantage that makes him effective on almost any wicket. (He is the tallest man on the team) Added to that, he is no slouch with the bat either. So, for the second test, we should rest Edwards and Bishoo, and bring in Shillingford and Rampaul. With a little luck, we should be ok this time.

  • POSTED BY VivGilchrist on | April 13, 2012, 4:01 GMT

    Please WI fans, get a dose of reality! All of those calling for this player or that player should think about the facts first. Gayle is an ok Test batsman. Sarwan has been out of form for ages. Samuels is very average as his record suggests. Bravo snr is overrated and is not good enough to play as either a bowler or batsman. Fidel with a bowling average of 37 would not get a game with any other Team bar Bangladesh. Does anybody remember the last time Taylor played a game at any level? I'm not being harsh, just look at there Test records. I love WI as a 2nd team but we must get real.

  • POSTED BY Sinhaya on | April 13, 2012, 3:25 GMT

    Should make sure Rampaul plays instead of Fidel Edwards. Rampaul can be a useful lower order batsman too as shown by his 86 against India in an ODI. Also, play Shillingford instead of Bishoo for the 2nd test.

  • POSTED BY Dav1daKing on | April 13, 2012, 1:38 GMT

    hopefully we'll win next matc, but if not, i hope to see holder, badree, dorwhich and fudadin drafted for the final match.

  • POSTED BY gzawilliam on | April 13, 2012, 1:18 GMT

    The WI's are really shooting themselves in the foot for letting narine and pollard go to the IPL. If narine was playing in this test australia would of lost in 3 days. Not that id be happy as an aussie supporter but thats pretty much the facts. West indies have a good core group of players. get them all together with a good mentality and they will rise to the top 4 teams in the world no doubt. Add gayle to the mix and geez. you've got a scary team to play against there.

  • POSTED BY Spudz115 on | April 12, 2012, 18:32 GMT

    Explain the fact that Darren Bravo has three under his belt!! It appears that this Caribbean has the most experts on what should and should not be. Maybe we need to walk a mile in these shoes to know how they feel. Lay off all you naysayers and let the team evolve!!!! We have a short and selective memory when it comes to our past actions especially when it involved players from the so called "bigger" cricket playing Caribbean islands (you certainly know who you are!!).

  • POSTED BY on | April 12, 2012, 18:26 GMT

    How about giving Bravo a chance to get his form and give Nash and knock? Isn't Ramdin's finger better yet?

  • POSTED BY on | April 12, 2012, 17:19 GMT

    I cannot agree with Sammy tactics not to bring in Fidel when he gace deonarine that additional over, i think things would have been very interesting. Any tactician could see Hussey lining up deonarine. Other than that Sammy is a real fighter, the only thing is whilst i admire his heart i am concerned that he brings an imbalance to the team. We will continue to lose becuase in batting we dont have the right mix of youth and experience. We need Gayle and perhaps Sarwan to groom these young players. Look at Australia their young playes are surrounded by ponting clarke watson and Hussey. Though their young players struggle they have that hard experience in their line up and that made the difference in this test. Finally the IPL is gonna make WI a world beater again forget all the negative comment. without the IPL pollard would never have developed in leaps and bounds as he had. Whislt we continue to talk about technique we miss the point the IPL has hardened Gayle, Pollard,bravo they have

  • POSTED BY macadamnut on | April 12, 2012, 17:09 GMT

    Brathwaite, K Edwards, DM Bravo, Chanderpaul, Deonarine, Sammy, Baugh, Rampaul, Roach, Bishoo, F Edwards

    Bowling is your strength, use it. When the batsmen have failed, having more of them there to fail hasn't helped. If the Windies could find a keeper who knows which end of the bat is up a lot of problems would disappear, but meanwhile why not settle for a tail that can wag and bowlers who aren't stretched to the limit? Carlton Baugh may even improve, most of the other guys have.

  • POSTED BY GravyMon on | April 12, 2012, 16:18 GMT

    This, by itself, is not a bad move, though I suspect the selection may have been made before the 2nd day of the just concluded Test Match. Spinners topped the bowling in the local Caribbean First Class 2012 season, but that competition may mean zilch to the powers-that-be in WI cricket. Why else would the Finals be scheduled the same time as the Test Match? Shillingford (38 wkts @ 13.28) was there among the top performers, only being rivaled or bettered by Nakita Miller (43 @ 10.51) and Sulieman Bend (36 @ 14.02). 3 spinners haven't played together in the same WI team since Adam was a lad, and I don't see that happening here now either. Bishoo may have lacked good on field direction in Barbados, but unfortunately for him he'll probably have to sit this one out. Darren Sammy ought to get the needed rest for his ailing back, making way for Rampaul's return and improving the team a bit, but I suspect hell will freeze over before that happens.

  • POSTED BY on | April 12, 2012, 16:06 GMT

    @ Medvis Jackson , I agree with you. I seriously doubt Clarke would have declared behind If he knew that Gayle would be coming in at number 1. That would take a lot of cojones lol. Our top order is to inexperienced & with that comes timidness and uncertainty. Gibson Knew that our batting struggles in the Second innings he should have sent Sammy to attack the bowling and set Australia back with some quick runs or at least shifted up the batting order as Brathwaite is little more than a tail-ender when he bats in the second innings.

  • POSTED BY GravyMon on | April 12, 2012, 16:06 GMT

    This, by itself, is not a bad move, though I suspect the selection may have been made before the 2nd day of the just concluded Test Match. Spinners topped the bowling in the local Caribbean First Class 2012 season, but that competition may mean zilch to the powers-that-be in WI cricket. Why else would the Finals be scheduled the same time as the Test Match? Shillingford (38 wkts @ 13.28) was there among the top performers, only being rivaled or bettered by Nakita Miller (43 @ 10.51) and Sulieman Bend (36 @ 14.02). 3 spinners haven't played together in the same WI team since Adam was a lad, and I don't see that happening here now either. Bishoo may have lacked good on field direction in Barbados, but unfortunately for him he'll probably have to sit this one out. Darren Sammy ought to get the needed rest for his ailing back, making way for Rampaul's return and improving the team a bit, but I suspect hell will freeze over before that happens.

  • POSTED BY AdrianVanDenStael on | April 12, 2012, 15:58 GMT

    @Medvis Jackson: "no one in this 11 with exception to Chanderpaul is likely to score a Test Century. It simply isn't in the cards with these guys". You forget that Darren Bravo has three test centuries and a test average of over 50 to his name. You also forget that this batting line up made 450 in the first innings of the last test, and that the team were well on top at the start of the fourth day when they had Australia 250-7. Disaster then ensued when the Australian tail were allowed to add 156 runs. I'm not convinced batting is West Indies only player, or that a solution lies in wholesale discarding of "'team players'" on grounds of their alleged consistency in favour of other players of proven consistency or a preference for playing in the IPL

  • POSTED BY gloriouscricket on | April 12, 2012, 15:34 GMT

    A hard fought match, but WINDIES need to win,nothing else will suffice the fans.Shillingford may be in for Bishoo,tough decision,Bishoo is an excellent cricketer with good fighting qualities.Three spinners possible at Trinidad? Sammy out due to back problems? Rampaul is in for Sammy,Fidel may have to sit this one out. Rampaul & Shillingford in.The WINDIES top order need to be consistent, or else changes at the top and in the middle[Barath & Bravo need to be productive]. The batting contonues to be the problem-inconsistent,Barath,Brathwaite, Bravo, the 3 bs--you need to bat in both innings,one innings a match doth not give a victory. Good luck guys--now you know whom you,re up against.

  • POSTED BY on | April 12, 2012, 15:19 GMT

    Why was Rampaul not included in the team for the first test? He is a real wicket taker and is a specialist at early breakthroughs. He understands his limitations and is intelligent to bowling. He is not just a run up and throw down kind of bowler. He is intentional and that is why he is so successful. Please include him in the 2nd test, not just in the 14 man squad. Besides he is a far better batsman that Fidel Edwards. Let us field our best team.

  • POSTED BY newMachine on | April 12, 2012, 15:12 GMT

    So where is Badree in all of this. the WICB took him away from the T & T team and just left him in the dust..

  • POSTED BY Marabellaboy on | April 12, 2012, 15:02 GMT

    The West Indies were already beaten by the IPL (Narine, Gayle, Bravo). Australia finished the job.

  • POSTED BY heathrf1974 on | April 12, 2012, 14:48 GMT

    I know some of the Windies' fans maybe concerned with the selections but I think the team is going in the right direction and is improving all the time. It would be good though to have Gayle as an opener and where is Sarwan?

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | April 12, 2012, 14:36 GMT

    I see Barath out for fitness reason ,his struggling continues at test level . Can we risk having him in the field for four days again and have Powell sub for him ? Why not use Powell then since he's in the squad already ..Sorry Fidel while your bowling missed the mark mostly ,I would rest you for lack of propper application with the bat in both innins ,at a time when every minute and every run ,were needed to better the team's position ,especially when the opposition lower order strung us out in the field the way they did . As For Bishoo can he recover soon enough to be effective ,r he must be arm weary ,for that rason he may be rested .

  • POSTED BY rama_krish on | April 12, 2012, 14:31 GMT

    Lots of comments as to the team's composition. As a critic of Sammy, I declare that he earned his place in this first test. If he remains injured then Rampaul should come in. Shillingford should replace Bishoo who was upstaged by Deonarine (Bishoo is not finished, however, and he will come back - it's just a matter of "horses for courses"). Bharath needs several years more experience at the junior level before he can be considered test match material.

  • POSTED BY on | April 12, 2012, 13:31 GMT

    West Indies are in serious need of batsmen. Other teams like Sri Lanka, India, South Africa, and Australia all have 5-6 batsmen who can put up 75 runs on any given day. Apart from Chanderpaul, batting for the West Indies is a bit of a lottery.

    I say the WICB does WHATEVER it takes to squash this beef with Gayle and work on getting Nash back in form. These are guys with proven ability at the crease. These "team players" are just not batsmen...great guys, but not batsmen. Like, no one in this 11 with exception to Chanderpaul is likely to score a Test Century. It simply isn't in the cards with these guys, let alone a consistent 40 total.

  • POSTED BY Rickb on | April 12, 2012, 13:18 GMT

    Good Move by the selectors. The question now is who will be in the starting eleven.

  • POSTED BY on | April 12, 2012, 12:59 GMT

    Great decision selectors! Shillingford, if given a chance to play will definitely cause some problems for the Aussies and will take wickets. We must find a spot for him and Rampaul in the next game. We may want to rest Edwards since he is prone to injuries and bring in Rampaul and grop Bishoo for Shillingford. The team with these players will bring us the victory we need before WI doing it all over again in Dominica. West Indies winning the series 2-1. Good luck guys and God bless!

  • POSTED BY Silva-Surfa on | April 12, 2012, 12:55 GMT

    Good to see Shilly back in the fold, i know he was on the tour in India, but what are the chances of the team playing two fulltime spinners against the Aussies in Trini, plus part-timer Deo? The form of the batsmen is the biggest worry for me, i said from the start of this series that much would depend on the performance of the batsmen against the Australian bowling-attack and their 2nd-innings in Barbados cost them the match in the end. I believe our bowlers can hold their own against the Aussie-batters, just as long as the batsmen can give them something to bowl at. Sammy's back-problem looks like it has returned and he might be rested for Sunday. Rampaul has been our best frontline bowler for over a year and has to play, so alot depends on Sammy's recovery time within 3 days. If Sammy is fit then Ravi-Ramps will come in for Fidel, otherwise it will be for the skipper and Shilly could possibly replace a out-of-sorts Bishoo.

  • POSTED BY on | April 12, 2012, 12:42 GMT

    what is worry with the selectors ...Adrian Barath what has he done to make a place in the test team i understand ODIS AND T20 but test match .... Pick DR Smith he can bat in the lower order at 6 or 5 .. i no he is only up for selection for the T20 team but give him the benefit he did make his first hundred on debt .. Oh give Powell a game man and Rampaul and even Shane Shillingford he can bat and they need that .. replace out-of form Devendra Bishoo ,Barath and sorry but fidel .. Rampaul can bat better that him and all the tailenders this is my team in batting order..Kraigg Brathwaite,Powell?/Barath,Kirk ,Bravo need to step up,Deonarine need to bat higher,Chanderpaul need to up the tempo, Baugh (wk) he is a joker but he is all we have cannot ever bat ha ha ,Sammy be more positive u get runs like the ,tails ,e Shillingford,Roach?/Rampaul,Fidelno place for Bishoo ,so give Ravi...

  • POSTED BY on | April 12, 2012, 12:42 GMT

    West Indian Governments should have gotten together and paid Sunil Narine (the money he would have madde inthe IPL) to stay at home to face the Australians. Imagine him bowling to the Australians yesterday afternoon. Look what Deonarine almost did to them. Apart from the WICB and other factors, the lure of the IPL is the latest blow to West Indian cricket.

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  • POSTED BY on | April 12, 2012, 12:42 GMT

    West Indian Governments should have gotten together and paid Sunil Narine (the money he would have madde inthe IPL) to stay at home to face the Australians. Imagine him bowling to the Australians yesterday afternoon. Look what Deonarine almost did to them. Apart from the WICB and other factors, the lure of the IPL is the latest blow to West Indian cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | April 12, 2012, 12:42 GMT

    what is worry with the selectors ...Adrian Barath what has he done to make a place in the test team i understand ODIS AND T20 but test match .... Pick DR Smith he can bat in the lower order at 6 or 5 .. i no he is only up for selection for the T20 team but give him the benefit he did make his first hundred on debt .. Oh give Powell a game man and Rampaul and even Shane Shillingford he can bat and they need that .. replace out-of form Devendra Bishoo ,Barath and sorry but fidel .. Rampaul can bat better that him and all the tailenders this is my team in batting order..Kraigg Brathwaite,Powell?/Barath,Kirk ,Bravo need to step up,Deonarine need to bat higher,Chanderpaul need to up the tempo, Baugh (wk) he is a joker but he is all we have cannot ever bat ha ha ,Sammy be more positive u get runs like the ,tails ,e Shillingford,Roach?/Rampaul,Fidelno place for Bishoo ,so give Ravi...

  • POSTED BY Silva-Surfa on | April 12, 2012, 12:55 GMT

    Good to see Shilly back in the fold, i know he was on the tour in India, but what are the chances of the team playing two fulltime spinners against the Aussies in Trini, plus part-timer Deo? The form of the batsmen is the biggest worry for me, i said from the start of this series that much would depend on the performance of the batsmen against the Australian bowling-attack and their 2nd-innings in Barbados cost them the match in the end. I believe our bowlers can hold their own against the Aussie-batters, just as long as the batsmen can give them something to bowl at. Sammy's back-problem looks like it has returned and he might be rested for Sunday. Rampaul has been our best frontline bowler for over a year and has to play, so alot depends on Sammy's recovery time within 3 days. If Sammy is fit then Ravi-Ramps will come in for Fidel, otherwise it will be for the skipper and Shilly could possibly replace a out-of-sorts Bishoo.

  • POSTED BY on | April 12, 2012, 12:59 GMT

    Great decision selectors! Shillingford, if given a chance to play will definitely cause some problems for the Aussies and will take wickets. We must find a spot for him and Rampaul in the next game. We may want to rest Edwards since he is prone to injuries and bring in Rampaul and grop Bishoo for Shillingford. The team with these players will bring us the victory we need before WI doing it all over again in Dominica. West Indies winning the series 2-1. Good luck guys and God bless!

  • POSTED BY Rickb on | April 12, 2012, 13:18 GMT

    Good Move by the selectors. The question now is who will be in the starting eleven.

  • POSTED BY on | April 12, 2012, 13:31 GMT

    West Indies are in serious need of batsmen. Other teams like Sri Lanka, India, South Africa, and Australia all have 5-6 batsmen who can put up 75 runs on any given day. Apart from Chanderpaul, batting for the West Indies is a bit of a lottery.

    I say the WICB does WHATEVER it takes to squash this beef with Gayle and work on getting Nash back in form. These are guys with proven ability at the crease. These "team players" are just not batsmen...great guys, but not batsmen. Like, no one in this 11 with exception to Chanderpaul is likely to score a Test Century. It simply isn't in the cards with these guys, let alone a consistent 40 total.

  • POSTED BY rama_krish on | April 12, 2012, 14:31 GMT

    Lots of comments as to the team's composition. As a critic of Sammy, I declare that he earned his place in this first test. If he remains injured then Rampaul should come in. Shillingford should replace Bishoo who was upstaged by Deonarine (Bishoo is not finished, however, and he will come back - it's just a matter of "horses for courses"). Bharath needs several years more experience at the junior level before he can be considered test match material.

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | April 12, 2012, 14:36 GMT

    I see Barath out for fitness reason ,his struggling continues at test level . Can we risk having him in the field for four days again and have Powell sub for him ? Why not use Powell then since he's in the squad already ..Sorry Fidel while your bowling missed the mark mostly ,I would rest you for lack of propper application with the bat in both innins ,at a time when every minute and every run ,were needed to better the team's position ,especially when the opposition lower order strung us out in the field the way they did . As For Bishoo can he recover soon enough to be effective ,r he must be arm weary ,for that rason he may be rested .

  • POSTED BY heathrf1974 on | April 12, 2012, 14:48 GMT

    I know some of the Windies' fans maybe concerned with the selections but I think the team is going in the right direction and is improving all the time. It would be good though to have Gayle as an opener and where is Sarwan?

  • POSTED BY Marabellaboy on | April 12, 2012, 15:02 GMT

    The West Indies were already beaten by the IPL (Narine, Gayle, Bravo). Australia finished the job.