West Indies v New Zealand, 2nd Test, Jamaica July 31, 2012

Injured Rampaul out of second Test

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The fast bowler Ravi Rampaul has been ruled out of the second Test against New Zealand due to a groin injury. He has been replaced in the 13-man West Indies squad by Fidel Edwards, who has been in and out of the Test side this year.

Edwards has a fine record at Sabina Park in Jamaica, where the second Test will start on Thursday; he has taken 25 Test wickets there at an average of 22.28. However, Edwards might yet be left out of the starting line-up if West Indies included Tino Best, who was part of the squad for the first Test.

Rampaul picked up two wickets in each innings of the victory in Antigua, which gave West Indies a 1-0 lead in the two-game series. Kemar Roach and Sunil Narine did most of the damage with the ball in the first Test.

West Indies will be searching for their first series win against New Zealand in 1996 when they take the field in Kingston.

West Indies squad Chris Gayle, Kieran Powell, Adrian Barath, Assad Fudadin, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Marlon Samuels, Narsingh Deonarine, Denesh Ramdin (wk), Darren Sammy (capt), Tino Best, Fidel Edwards, Kemar Roach, Sunil Narine.

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  • POSTED BY SwingandSeam on | August 1, 2012, 21:58 GMT

    If you want to talk about terrible bowling averages, what about Tino Best..nealry 47 per wicket. Delorn Johnson has a First Class average of 19.5. If someone is good enough, then he should play.

  • POSTED BY Metman on | August 1, 2012, 20:16 GMT

    @ creeKeetman ! Sorry ,my mistake !...when I said low 30s,I really meant low down in the thirties....actually both are averaging in the high 30's..... between 35 and 38.

  • POSTED BY creekeetman on | August 1, 2012, 15:48 GMT

    @metman, you need to be more accurate with your facts, first of all edwards average is 38, not "low 30's". he goes at almost 4 runs/over, and yes he has 11 5 wkt hauls, but it has taken him 95 innings to acheive that. this is supposed to be your strike bowler??? he has no ten wicket hauls by the way, and in his last 6 tests has only 9 wickets at an average of 60, in the eleven innings he bowled during those 6 tests, there was a 2 wkt haul, and 10 innings where he claimed one or no wickets. russell seems to do well at first class cricket, not sure why people dont think he could do well at test level, hes only ever played one test on a dead galle pitch.

  • POSTED BY GravyMon on | August 1, 2012, 15:17 GMT

    Sorry Rampaul but you have fallen victim to "selectorial politrics". Your action on the field was correct and justified. You have WI cricket at heart, but your captain Darren Sammy is somewhat adrift at sea, really clueless. Anybody remembers the Aussie Test in Barbados recently? Yes, the one we lost because of blatant errors in tactics. Ravi, this has happened to better players before you, so don't worry too much about it. This is the WICB's way of letting players know who's really in charge. Welcome back Fidel, but I think Best should outrank you at Sabina. It is most unfortunate that we are unable to put out our best WI team since Sammy is the captain, but I do expect we will win there, in spite of Sammy. His influence is not that powerful to stop individual pride and performance. Just don't give him too many critical decisions to make; could prove painful.

  • POSTED BY on | August 1, 2012, 12:51 GMT

    I could see the logic in picking Fidel, he might have his flaws, but is the kind of experienced cover if Roach or Best were to breakdown before the second test. I think Tino will start in Jamaica, as he was originally in the squad and will most likely be in line via the pecking-order. Of course, there are rumours of more politricks in-house, that is punishing Rampaul, due to his attitude on the field, during the second-innings and is labelled as "injured" for this test. Maybe i'm looking too much into this, but let's be honest, it's not the first time that some players have been punished by the Board, Selectors or Coach for not abiding to their requirements. People on here talk about the lack of consistancy by recent frontline bowlers that have been selected over the years, but the harsh truth of it is that we haven't had that kind of prolific top-quality and genuine world-class brilliance at test-level since Curtly and Courtney retired!

  • POSTED BY on | August 1, 2012, 12:45 GMT

    Chris Gayle is one of WI better slow bowler, so why has Sammy not given him the ball?

  • POSTED BY on | August 1, 2012, 12:38 GMT

    Chris Gayle is one of the better slow bowler in the WI team, so why is he not bowling ?

  • POSTED BY Metman on | August 1, 2012, 11:11 GMT

    @ Sean Daniel....no respect whatsoever ! this bowler has 11 five wicket hauls....averages around the same low 30s with the ball as Rampaul,who has yet to get a 5 wicket haul.Rampaul of late has NO energy to last a 5 day match,and struggled to bowl 10 overs in 3 spells recently in an ODI,yet people are focussing on Fidel....who should have been picked for the first test. Roach,Edwards and Best should be picked for the 2nd test along with Thomas....Ramdin conceeded 21 byes in the last match and should be declared injured as well !

  • POSTED BY MrPontingToYou on | August 1, 2012, 9:39 GMT

    @ rally, the injury excuse is not unique to the wi alone... it is common in all sports. i would also like to know when rampaul, edwards, worst, and taylor EVER performed consistantly well, and im not talking 2-3 games.... neither one of them has EVER had an outstanding series. neither should ever play for wi again. all below average players who would'nt make the bench on any of the top test teams.

  • POSTED BY on | August 1, 2012, 3:43 GMT

    Why do the fans want Sammy dropped? He has been doing his job as a captain now isn't he? he's taking catches, setting good fields, bowling long spells, batting averagely, motivating his players, is liked by his players. BTW, sammy has caused many break-throughs to bend in windies' direction since starting with australia this year. Look at the crucial times when he took catches, some of which were unexpected. Look at how he caught mc cullum off narine's bowling in the ODI game. Wherever sammy puts himself, a catch always comes. The man is trying. What he fails to do in batting, he does by fielding and bowling. Field placing has also improved and the motivation is THERE. GUYS, being a captain does not ONLY involve batting well enough to bring up a TON. THE GUYS ARE PLAYING AS A BETTER UNIT. THEY LOST IN ENGLAND, YES, BUT COULD HAVE DONE MUCH BETTER. WHEN ENGLAND COMES HERE TWILL BE A DIFFERENT STORY. PEOPLE, PLEASE..... NEVER, NEVER FORGET THE CRUCIAL BREAK-THROUGHS HE'S CAUSED AGAINST O

  • POSTED BY SwingandSeam on | August 1, 2012, 21:58 GMT

    If you want to talk about terrible bowling averages, what about Tino Best..nealry 47 per wicket. Delorn Johnson has a First Class average of 19.5. If someone is good enough, then he should play.

  • POSTED BY Metman on | August 1, 2012, 20:16 GMT

    @ creeKeetman ! Sorry ,my mistake !...when I said low 30s,I really meant low down in the thirties....actually both are averaging in the high 30's..... between 35 and 38.

  • POSTED BY creekeetman on | August 1, 2012, 15:48 GMT

    @metman, you need to be more accurate with your facts, first of all edwards average is 38, not "low 30's". he goes at almost 4 runs/over, and yes he has 11 5 wkt hauls, but it has taken him 95 innings to acheive that. this is supposed to be your strike bowler??? he has no ten wicket hauls by the way, and in his last 6 tests has only 9 wickets at an average of 60, in the eleven innings he bowled during those 6 tests, there was a 2 wkt haul, and 10 innings where he claimed one or no wickets. russell seems to do well at first class cricket, not sure why people dont think he could do well at test level, hes only ever played one test on a dead galle pitch.

  • POSTED BY GravyMon on | August 1, 2012, 15:17 GMT

    Sorry Rampaul but you have fallen victim to "selectorial politrics". Your action on the field was correct and justified. You have WI cricket at heart, but your captain Darren Sammy is somewhat adrift at sea, really clueless. Anybody remembers the Aussie Test in Barbados recently? Yes, the one we lost because of blatant errors in tactics. Ravi, this has happened to better players before you, so don't worry too much about it. This is the WICB's way of letting players know who's really in charge. Welcome back Fidel, but I think Best should outrank you at Sabina. It is most unfortunate that we are unable to put out our best WI team since Sammy is the captain, but I do expect we will win there, in spite of Sammy. His influence is not that powerful to stop individual pride and performance. Just don't give him too many critical decisions to make; could prove painful.

  • POSTED BY on | August 1, 2012, 12:51 GMT

    I could see the logic in picking Fidel, he might have his flaws, but is the kind of experienced cover if Roach or Best were to breakdown before the second test. I think Tino will start in Jamaica, as he was originally in the squad and will most likely be in line via the pecking-order. Of course, there are rumours of more politricks in-house, that is punishing Rampaul, due to his attitude on the field, during the second-innings and is labelled as "injured" for this test. Maybe i'm looking too much into this, but let's be honest, it's not the first time that some players have been punished by the Board, Selectors or Coach for not abiding to their requirements. People on here talk about the lack of consistancy by recent frontline bowlers that have been selected over the years, but the harsh truth of it is that we haven't had that kind of prolific top-quality and genuine world-class brilliance at test-level since Curtly and Courtney retired!

  • POSTED BY on | August 1, 2012, 12:45 GMT

    Chris Gayle is one of WI better slow bowler, so why has Sammy not given him the ball?

  • POSTED BY on | August 1, 2012, 12:38 GMT

    Chris Gayle is one of the better slow bowler in the WI team, so why is he not bowling ?

  • POSTED BY Metman on | August 1, 2012, 11:11 GMT

    @ Sean Daniel....no respect whatsoever ! this bowler has 11 five wicket hauls....averages around the same low 30s with the ball as Rampaul,who has yet to get a 5 wicket haul.Rampaul of late has NO energy to last a 5 day match,and struggled to bowl 10 overs in 3 spells recently in an ODI,yet people are focussing on Fidel....who should have been picked for the first test. Roach,Edwards and Best should be picked for the 2nd test along with Thomas....Ramdin conceeded 21 byes in the last match and should be declared injured as well !

  • POSTED BY MrPontingToYou on | August 1, 2012, 9:39 GMT

    @ rally, the injury excuse is not unique to the wi alone... it is common in all sports. i would also like to know when rampaul, edwards, worst, and taylor EVER performed consistantly well, and im not talking 2-3 games.... neither one of them has EVER had an outstanding series. neither should ever play for wi again. all below average players who would'nt make the bench on any of the top test teams.

  • POSTED BY on | August 1, 2012, 3:43 GMT

    Why do the fans want Sammy dropped? He has been doing his job as a captain now isn't he? he's taking catches, setting good fields, bowling long spells, batting averagely, motivating his players, is liked by his players. BTW, sammy has caused many break-throughs to bend in windies' direction since starting with australia this year. Look at the crucial times when he took catches, some of which were unexpected. Look at how he caught mc cullum off narine's bowling in the ODI game. Wherever sammy puts himself, a catch always comes. The man is trying. What he fails to do in batting, he does by fielding and bowling. Field placing has also improved and the motivation is THERE. GUYS, being a captain does not ONLY involve batting well enough to bring up a TON. THE GUYS ARE PLAYING AS A BETTER UNIT. THEY LOST IN ENGLAND, YES, BUT COULD HAVE DONE MUCH BETTER. WHEN ENGLAND COMES HERE TWILL BE A DIFFERENT STORY. PEOPLE, PLEASE..... NEVER, NEVER FORGET THE CRUCIAL BREAK-THROUGHS HE'S CAUSED AGAINST O

  • POSTED BY KathmanduNepalSandeshLamsal on | August 1, 2012, 3:31 GMT

    BRING TENO BACK FOR RAMPAUL.

  • POSTED BY Alexei on | August 1, 2012, 2:33 GMT

    @fahad3057 Jerome Taylor can't be picked because he isn't fully fit here in Jamaica.. he only recently came back from a long injury lay-off to play club cricket here. I would normally go for Fidel but he can't bowl more than 6 overs in a spell but he does more with the ball than Tino, he swings better than anyone else. I think it should be Tino because he deserves another go and he lasts longer and especially i=since Gabriel is still injured... Why not pick Del Johnson though? And guys, read the headline.. Rampaul IS INJURED. Not dropped..

  • POSTED BY on | August 1, 2012, 2:15 GMT

    I have previously gone on record as saying that Darren Sammy is as others have opined here a cog in the selection of a good bowling attack for the Windies. I will now ADMIT that he has come into his own this year, having created a leadership approach that has both CH Gayle and Marlon Samuels IN the news for on the field performances. Still, with career averages that place him third in the current list of bowlers and second (behind Roach) as wicket takers, it is implausible to consider dropping him from the squad. What I wish would happen is that we find a balanced attack for our Test team, something that can be shaped by replacing Fudadin with Dwayne Bravo, so that we can have another wicket taking bowling option (he is better at Test than ODIs in bowling in every category) along with more batting depth. Maturity in the locker room is also key. So, two express bowlers, two medium pace all rounders and two spinners should be the mix!

  • POSTED BY Metman on | July 31, 2012, 22:40 GMT

    @ Rally_Windies ! Yes..tell them ! you seem to be the only one that knows whats going on in WI cricket !

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 22:10 GMT

    IN REPLACING RAMPAUL IN THE FINAL 11/WEST INDIES MUST GO FOR THE BOWLER THAT WILL NOT BREAK DOWN AND IS A VERY GOOD BATSMAN AND THAT PERSON IS TINO BEST.

  • POSTED BY gtzshotta on | July 31, 2012, 20:46 GMT

    They should definitely play Best or Edwards. Reason being, you don't want an inexperienced bowler to come in and heed the chance of him being noneffective right away. You know what you will get from Best/Edwards, pure pace to support Roach because the side is handicapped by Sammy.

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 20:33 GMT

    NO RESPECT! Wunna have no respect for the leading fast bowler in the WI (wickets) all you focused on who can make the team not perform and keep a play I hope they play 4 pacers in Jamaica with the wicket favouring pace. Narine is flavour of the day but when he is examined by tougher opposition in TEST cricket he like BIshoo will fade. THE SELECTORS DROP SHILLINGFORD NOW RAMPAUL THEY BEING Consistent

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 20:24 GMT

    Edwards is not a good idea.....he's got a hard head...seems to not learn easily or forgets what he learnt. His bowling is often erratic with SHORT BALLS & WIDES, As to who else...Im not sure...because I dont know all the players.

    Best is a good pick.

    Sorry Ravi cant make it!

  • POSTED BY SNIFFLEATHER on | July 31, 2012, 20:13 GMT

    SHERWINE...

    Sorry, but your comment about letting Johnson play more first class cricket prior to his international selection is wrong. Johnson has already proven his ability against this same New Zealand side. Add to that the fact that Narine has hardly played any first class games, and it doesn't appear to be showing in the international arena does it? If you are good enough, you are old enough. Fact. Plus, Fidel Edwards was considered worthy of an early punt when he was drafted into the side, again, with very little first class experience, several years ago after Brian Lara saw him in the nets. His early career was excellent, so it clearly is not a mistake or a gamble to try youngsters early on. Make no mistake, Delorn Johnson is ready, and delaying his introduction, to prolong the average career of somebody else, is sheer folly.

  • POSTED BY SwingandSeam on | July 31, 2012, 19:24 GMT

    Edwards and Best! Get real! The selectors clearly pay no attention to bowling performance. These two guys have been smacked around cricket pitches all over the world by anyone who can swing a bat. Neither has a decent average and it is inexplicable why they keep on being brought back when there are a several decent young bowlers coming through the ranks. Johnson, McClean, Carter are deserving of a shot.

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 18:52 GMT

    Ravi sits for another bowler...sadly it should be Sammy that should be on the bench.

  • POSTED BY Rally_Windies on | July 31, 2012, 18:46 GMT

    they bowled him injured against Australia and England , and he bowled horribly.. when ever he is bowling well, he gets dropped... " thumb strain form playing video games" Do you remember that one?

    just like the phantom injury that Chris Gayle picked up that he was dropped from the WI team for ! Yet no doctors in India could find anything wrong with him ....

    ah yes.. "injuries" ... the old West Indies Selector's excuse to drop someone who is performing....

  • POSTED BY fahad3057 on | July 31, 2012, 18:04 GMT

    Well what i feel about windies is that they are missing a trick by not picking Jerome Taylor, i think he has the potential and he can play good role in west indies victories which are more essential at this stage rather any thing. and as we all know that sabina park wicket always offers pace and bounce west indies must have picked jerome taylor rather fiedal edwards...

  • POSTED BY Spokes007 on | July 31, 2012, 16:43 GMT

    Rampaul injury is - he asked to keep bowling and got told he is now injured. Really he injured Sammy's pride, who wanted to to bowl.

  • POSTED BY denessa on | July 31, 2012, 16:43 GMT

    WHERE IS JEROME TAYLOR ?????????? WHEN ARE WE GOIN TO SEE TAYLOR SELECTORS???????????? TIME IS OVERDUE.........

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 16:18 GMT

    Wait - weight. Never hear so much grunting for a man under 130k's.

  • POSTED BY nafzak on | July 31, 2012, 15:47 GMT

    WI selectors usually cite Sarwan's lack of fitness for his non-selection even though Sars has proved them wrong. Yet, they continue to overlook Rampaul. As good as he is, imagine how much better would be if he was actually in shape. I sent several feedback comments to cricinfo and they never published - that the last test was the 1st time 6 Indo West Indians played in the same Test for the WI. Maybe Cricinfo felt the comment may not be politically correct. However, I do feel that it is significant given our history. It shows progress and that Cricket indeed can still unite us all in the West Indies. Now if only the Jamaicans can sweep the 100 metres at the Olympics.

  • POSTED BY mjosman on | July 31, 2012, 15:16 GMT

    they should bring in shillingford instead narineis better but shillingford takes wickets and there is nothing wrong with having a spin attack just look at pakistan spin attack

  • POSTED BY sherwine on | July 31, 2012, 14:40 GMT

    .Let Johnson play some regional matches and take some 5 wickets haul so he gets the habit of taking wickets then he can be considered to play in Test. To many times we have take bowlers on trial and errors basis in Test cricket. Tino is in good form and should replace Rampaul. Also remember we have Sammy as the 3rd pacer in the side, so we need the experience and fire power.

  • POSTED BY obatsalem1979 on | July 31, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    i always felt rampaul and sammy would play the 1st test,where control and consistency was needed on that slow pitch in antigua,but quicker men in tino best and fidel edwards would take their spots for the 2nd test.......it maybe a weird opinion to have on sitting the captain,but is there anything stranger than west indies cricket?

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 12:35 GMT

    West-Indies selectors are backward, it seems that they don't want to win a home series, why bring Fidel at this stage, this is the time for the younger lads to shine for instance Santokie or D. Johnson.

  • POSTED BY MrPontingToYou on | July 31, 2012, 10:59 GMT

    calls for johnson... his time will come, don't want to many inexperienced bowlers in the team at one time, especially with sammy around. sammy is taking the place of a real bowler who deserves a chance... ie russell, bravo. the attack should be.. russell, roach, narine and bravo. when gabriel is fit again he and johnson should both be groomed for the future. PLEASE for the love of the game bury for once and for all... rampaul, worst, and edwards. and for those who keep calling for taylor, look at his stats and move on, he had one good innings on his home pitch sabina where he got 5 wkts.. thats it!!!

  • POSTED BY Bajecric on | July 31, 2012, 10:54 GMT

    Wow....It would seem you people have not been watching the same Fidel Edwards as I have...Fidel has been the MOST unlucky bowler in world cricket since making his debut with a HIGH NUMBER of CATCHES being dropped off his bowling (Including against Austailia this year where 2 or 3 were dropped)...Obviously...he can't bowl and catch unless the ball is played back at him which rearly happens...Everyone knows there is nothing that deflates a bowler's enthusiasm more than constant DROP CATCHES...And if 90 % of these catches were taken I'm sure Fidel would have well over 200 Test wickets and probably a few West Indies victories as well....Fidel always runs in and gives 100 % when bowling and once fit should be part of any west indies set up

  • POSTED BY delboy on | July 31, 2012, 9:55 GMT

    If the WI want to win their next match and the test series against NZ, please do not select Fidel Edwards..it will be back to the days where 20-30% of the oppositions score is extras from his waywardness. NZ are busy analysing Edwards and Tino. Time to introduce that element of surprise; someone without baggage. Even the left arm medium Santoki would be more effective at Sabina Park.

  • POSTED BY SNIFFLEATHER on | July 31, 2012, 9:34 GMT

    This is a very poor selection. The selectors had the opportunity to bring in the left arm quickie Delorn Johnson, and didn't do it. Ridiculous. Edwards has had far too many chances, and continues to bowl one good spell for every two bad spells, and at significantly reduced pace too. The days of Fidel frightening batsmen with raw pace have long since gone, nowadays he merely swings it a bit and sometimes hits the mid-to-high 80's. Meanwhile, West Indies have the younger, fitter, stronger, faster, much taller, more aggressive Delorn Johnson, a bowler who has already had this New Zealand side hopping around the crease only a week ago, and yet they continue to overlook him. Johnson's high left arm angle would further add to the difficulties the Kiwis would have had to deal with, but I guess that this promising young man will have to wait for the next series...maybe. I hope that Tino Best is selected ahead of Fidel, as at least then, we'll have two genuine quicks playing.

  • POSTED BY Dashgar on | July 31, 2012, 8:10 GMT

    I'd prefer Delorn Johnson get into the squad. Fidel has a few good games here and there but isn't a star. Johnson has the potential to be something great, and he's a left armer so adds variety. Forget Taylor, he hasn't been playing any professional cricket at all recently.

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 7:49 GMT

    The article is filled with mistakes : "However, Edwards might yet be left out of the starting line-up if West Indies included(include) Tino Best, who was part of the squad for the first Test"

    West Indies will be searching for their first series win against New Zealand in(since) 1996 when they take the field in Kingston

  • POSTED BY gloriouscricket on | July 31, 2012, 6:25 GMT

    Rampaul,s problems aren,t being help by his weight. In an earlier blog i commented about his fitness, he appears rather bulky for a fast bowler; When coach Gibson worked with him in past series regarding his complete fitness[weight loss and strength] he took wickets, he appears to be struggling due to his weight.He is yet young, hard work and and perservance towards complete fitness will restore his effectiveness as a strike bowler.He has the ability to swing the ball both ways, he is also effective with the old ball, he need to be fit.

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 6:13 GMT

    Some good comments here on WI fast bowling. Taylor, Brandon Bess, Deleron Johnson and the rest. Now is the time to look at a good replacement for Edwards as Tino is already up there in age.

  • POSTED BY CrazyLara on | July 31, 2012, 6:13 GMT

    Does anyone know what is teh status of Jerome Taylor ? Is he playing domestic cricket...He is a wonderful prospect for WI...He should play for windoes sonn or later again...

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 5:39 GMT

    What happened to Jerome Taylor, Sharon Gabriel & Shillingford. Tino Best and Fidel Edwards are the past West Indies Cricket should look for future.

  • POSTED BY SamRoy on | July 31, 2012, 4:47 GMT

    WI should have included Delorn Johnson (left arm fast medium). Would have offered some more variety. Edwards and Best will be useless any way unless they improve dramatically.

  • POSTED BY BRUTALANALYST on | July 31, 2012, 4:07 GMT

    He's only been replaced in the squad not the 11, BEST is more likely to make the cut come match day ! Although personally I'd hope to see all 3 ROACH BEST & EDWARDS with Fuddadin dropped and Sammy batting one place higher.

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 3:57 GMT

    Its not funny how fast bowlers are getting injured these days. Its not specific to a team. Can anyone tell me what this phenomenon is. Ask Kapil Dev and and he says all he did was running and bowling. According to him the extra fitness training and so called bio mechanic expertise aspect is what is killing the bowlers.

  • POSTED BY bobagorof on | July 31, 2012, 3:30 GMT

    @bbpp: How about Andre Russell? He seems to have done pretty well in ODIs recently. People class him as an all-rounder but if he is bowling fast and well, could he not make it into the side on his bowling alone? Jerome Taylor's record isn't much better than Edwards', with 82 wickets from 29 matches @ 35, but if he is fit, committed and in-form then I agree he should be in the mix.

  • POSTED BY India_One_Rupee_Country on | July 31, 2012, 2:58 GMT

    Guys Guys Evry1 commenting here is just useless and time waste so just watch the game...............................

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | July 31, 2012, 2:45 GMT

    Bad miss this will be.. Ramps on his current form is as good as any bowler in the world cricket now.. WI could have tried some other options instead of Edwards.. Anyway, Best will be playing the game is suppose..

  • POSTED BY bbpp on | July 31, 2012, 2:09 GMT

    Fidel Edwards has played 54 tests and has taken 158 wkts @ 38.37 in 9 years so what is the expectation for the last 3-4 years of his career? In case you are thinking that 54 tests are not a whole lot then Garner only played 58 tests but took 259 wickets @ 21 while Roberts played 47 and took 202 wickets @ 25 and Holding played 60 for 249 wickets @ 24. In case you are thinking that the comparison is unfair then look at Roach who has taken 77 wickets @ 28 from 20 tests and most importantly, is developing. Are there no young fast bowler who can bowl 85 mph with some control? And no, Tino is not young nor does he have control. Or let some pride be swallowed as with Gayle and play Taylor....he cannot be worse.

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 1:57 GMT

    I have being sayng this for long time, WI selectors need to rotate their fast bowlers. U can not have the same fast bowlers bowling in all 3 formats of the game. it is no surprise Rampaul is injured he is over worked.

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 1:51 GMT

    West indies look to be going in for the kill by strengthening their bowling Replacing Rampaul with Fidel, am expecting New Zealand to come out fighting and be more positive the negative approach cast them the last game my team for this match would be 1 Chris Gayle 2 Kerion Powell 3 Marlon Samuels 4 Shivnerine Chanderpaul 5 Narsingh Deonarine 6 Denish Radin 7 Darren Sammy 8 Kemar Roach 9 Tino Best 10 Sunil Narine 11 Fidel Edwards.

  • POSTED BY aclarity on | July 31, 2012, 1:49 GMT

    This is another example of the selectors string of poor decisions. Did they take a look at Edwards record in the past ten tests and his speeds? Which surgeon will you choose - the one who had an average success rate of 60% but 10% in his last 10 attemts or a young surgeon with 80% success in his last 10 attempts? Average is one statistic and what you did lately is another statistic. Why are they keeping Johnson and Cottereal out? Fast bowlers do not last long; hence they should be played when young and they learn faster than batsmen or spinners. This is a hopeless bunch whose term was extended in order to choose the next T-20 team. God help us!

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 1:14 GMT

    I think with exceptional performance with both bat and ball Tino deserves the place in the final playing eleven. The current WI team with Gayle back in the squad looks pretty strong. I would still suggest to get Ramnaresh Sarwan back in the playing 11 for tests to make it even more stronger against the tougher opponents. My Test XI would be: 1) Gayle 2) Powell 3) Fuddadin 4) Sarwan 5) Chanderpaul 6) Samuels 7) Ramdin 8) Sammy 9) Sunil Narine 10) Tino Best 11) Roach ODI XI 1) Gayle 2) D Smith 3) D Bravo 4) S Chanderpaul 5) K Pollard 6) D Ramdin 7) Samuels 8) Sammy 9) Sunil Narine 10) F Edwards 11) K Roach .. T20I 1) Gayle 2) D Smith 3) D Bravo 4) M Samuels 5) K Pollard 6) A Russell 7) D Ramdin 8) Sammy 9) T Best 10) S Narine 11) Roach.. The best T 20 talented team along with Pakistan.

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 0:51 GMT

    Rampaul is overweight and usually not fully fit. Needs to shed some lbs. Shows in the field when he huffs and puffs after balls headed boundary-ward. Still maintain that Rampy's bowling is better suited for the shorter versions of the game and not Tests. Best should take Rampy's spot because he gives you a 110% effort even if he tends to be wayward at times. Gotta pitch it up, Bessy, up so that the ball & wicket could combine to trouble batsmen given your pace. Edwards is a case of playing long and not really learning his craft. By now, he should be able to bowl a consistent length/line with hostility. He should be taking wickets with a degreee of regularity, say a minimum of 6 per Test. Ramdin is an enigma. He can bat when his mind is up to the task, which unfortunately is not often. Don't see how he could be chosen as VC given his inconsistent batting, Perhaps Sir Viv was right? Expect WI to clinch in JA, thus moving up the ICC rankings ladder.

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  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 0:51 GMT

    Rampaul is overweight and usually not fully fit. Needs to shed some lbs. Shows in the field when he huffs and puffs after balls headed boundary-ward. Still maintain that Rampy's bowling is better suited for the shorter versions of the game and not Tests. Best should take Rampy's spot because he gives you a 110% effort even if he tends to be wayward at times. Gotta pitch it up, Bessy, up so that the ball & wicket could combine to trouble batsmen given your pace. Edwards is a case of playing long and not really learning his craft. By now, he should be able to bowl a consistent length/line with hostility. He should be taking wickets with a degreee of regularity, say a minimum of 6 per Test. Ramdin is an enigma. He can bat when his mind is up to the task, which unfortunately is not often. Don't see how he could be chosen as VC given his inconsistent batting, Perhaps Sir Viv was right? Expect WI to clinch in JA, thus moving up the ICC rankings ladder.

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 1:14 GMT

    I think with exceptional performance with both bat and ball Tino deserves the place in the final playing eleven. The current WI team with Gayle back in the squad looks pretty strong. I would still suggest to get Ramnaresh Sarwan back in the playing 11 for tests to make it even more stronger against the tougher opponents. My Test XI would be: 1) Gayle 2) Powell 3) Fuddadin 4) Sarwan 5) Chanderpaul 6) Samuels 7) Ramdin 8) Sammy 9) Sunil Narine 10) Tino Best 11) Roach ODI XI 1) Gayle 2) D Smith 3) D Bravo 4) S Chanderpaul 5) K Pollard 6) D Ramdin 7) Samuels 8) Sammy 9) Sunil Narine 10) F Edwards 11) K Roach .. T20I 1) Gayle 2) D Smith 3) D Bravo 4) M Samuels 5) K Pollard 6) A Russell 7) D Ramdin 8) Sammy 9) T Best 10) S Narine 11) Roach.. The best T 20 talented team along with Pakistan.

  • POSTED BY aclarity on | July 31, 2012, 1:49 GMT

    This is another example of the selectors string of poor decisions. Did they take a look at Edwards record in the past ten tests and his speeds? Which surgeon will you choose - the one who had an average success rate of 60% but 10% in his last 10 attemts or a young surgeon with 80% success in his last 10 attempts? Average is one statistic and what you did lately is another statistic. Why are they keeping Johnson and Cottereal out? Fast bowlers do not last long; hence they should be played when young and they learn faster than batsmen or spinners. This is a hopeless bunch whose term was extended in order to choose the next T-20 team. God help us!

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 1:51 GMT

    West indies look to be going in for the kill by strengthening their bowling Replacing Rampaul with Fidel, am expecting New Zealand to come out fighting and be more positive the negative approach cast them the last game my team for this match would be 1 Chris Gayle 2 Kerion Powell 3 Marlon Samuels 4 Shivnerine Chanderpaul 5 Narsingh Deonarine 6 Denish Radin 7 Darren Sammy 8 Kemar Roach 9 Tino Best 10 Sunil Narine 11 Fidel Edwards.

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 1:57 GMT

    I have being sayng this for long time, WI selectors need to rotate their fast bowlers. U can not have the same fast bowlers bowling in all 3 formats of the game. it is no surprise Rampaul is injured he is over worked.

  • POSTED BY bbpp on | July 31, 2012, 2:09 GMT

    Fidel Edwards has played 54 tests and has taken 158 wkts @ 38.37 in 9 years so what is the expectation for the last 3-4 years of his career? In case you are thinking that 54 tests are not a whole lot then Garner only played 58 tests but took 259 wickets @ 21 while Roberts played 47 and took 202 wickets @ 25 and Holding played 60 for 249 wickets @ 24. In case you are thinking that the comparison is unfair then look at Roach who has taken 77 wickets @ 28 from 20 tests and most importantly, is developing. Are there no young fast bowler who can bowl 85 mph with some control? And no, Tino is not young nor does he have control. Or let some pride be swallowed as with Gayle and play Taylor....he cannot be worse.

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | July 31, 2012, 2:45 GMT

    Bad miss this will be.. Ramps on his current form is as good as any bowler in the world cricket now.. WI could have tried some other options instead of Edwards.. Anyway, Best will be playing the game is suppose..

  • POSTED BY India_One_Rupee_Country on | July 31, 2012, 2:58 GMT

    Guys Guys Evry1 commenting here is just useless and time waste so just watch the game...............................

  • POSTED BY bobagorof on | July 31, 2012, 3:30 GMT

    @bbpp: How about Andre Russell? He seems to have done pretty well in ODIs recently. People class him as an all-rounder but if he is bowling fast and well, could he not make it into the side on his bowling alone? Jerome Taylor's record isn't much better than Edwards', with 82 wickets from 29 matches @ 35, but if he is fit, committed and in-form then I agree he should be in the mix.

  • POSTED BY on | July 31, 2012, 3:57 GMT

    Its not funny how fast bowlers are getting injured these days. Its not specific to a team. Can anyone tell me what this phenomenon is. Ask Kapil Dev and and he says all he did was running and bowling. According to him the extra fitness training and so called bio mechanic expertise aspect is what is killing the bowlers.