New age November 17, 2008

Two Pakistans, one result

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The thrill of Imran Nazir's century for the Lahore Badshahs in the third final of the ICL was hard to match © ICL

Two small ripples in world cricket were earth shaking in this solemn year for Pakistan cricket. The prospect of seeing one Pakistan team in action has been unlikely enough but like Lahore rickshaws on Mall Road, two came along at once.

In the end, it was tough to decide which victory was more satisfying? A three-nil sweep of West Indies signalled that the official Pakistan team might have some fight in it yet, even if that fight is on foreign shores. Meanwhile, Pakistan's administrative exiles, the Lahore Badshahs, reminded us why Pakistan cricket had become known for its random brilliance.

For me, the thrill of Imran Nazir's century was hard to match, and the joy on his face tipped the balance in favour of the Badshahs. Nazir was once predicted a bright future by Viv Richards. That future never materialised but his record-breaking innings reminded us why King Viv was fooled like the rest of us.

Indeed, Nazir looked a different player, determined to make the most of his opportunity. An observation that mirrored the mood of his former teammates in Abu Dhabi. All of this, led me to two conclusions. First, that the exclusion of the ICL from offiicial cricket and the punishment of cricketers is an international disgrace and evidence of moral bankruptcy in cricket administration. But that's always been my view on the ICL. Second, that Pakistan's poverty of cricket in 2008 might have reminded its cricketers to make the most of every opportunity. Now, that was unexpected.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • Johnny Dangerously on November 23, 2008, 19:44 GMT

    It never ceases to amaze me, the psyche of the Pakistani fan. The same Asghars, Shafiqs and so on just recently stated the only hope for Pakistan was to stop playing cricket as a protest, if not that they categorically hammered the team for reasonable perfomances, this same team. Secondly, its a free market, at least India is, so if these Pakistani players earn their rotis in India why blame the company that employs them? Statements like Yousuf is greedy , Razzaq should have stayed patriotic and stuck through thick and thin for Pakistan are silly. Dont they have a brain? They made a choice, they are being paid top dollar for that. Dollars which are not in the offing in Pakistan. The BCCI is just as much morally bankrupt as the PCB. The PCB is notorious for treating Cricket as a political chalice so lets not even go there. As for the article, nothing new, just emotional jingoism on display.Lastly Pak defeating a rattle tattle WI doesnt mean they have 'returned', dont fool yourselves.

  • Nomaan Baig on November 23, 2008, 19:05 GMT

    IMRAN NAZIR's knock was a cameo. If he could only tame himself and be more dilligent in his batting, he can prove to be like Sehwag is for India.

  • Rehan Sheikh on November 21, 2008, 1:02 GMT

    IMRAN NAZIR is a flawed genius and should have been protected and guarded like a rare gem. He opened with Saeed Anwar in Australia and showed wonderful temperament. Those who think he is a oneinnings wonder should listen to all the International Pundits raving about him. When he demolished Indians when they last toured Pakistan in a side match he wasnt even given a chance in the starting eleven. We have mismanaged many a promising talent. From ICL alone atleast 5-6 players can make the National team. Rana Naved, Nazir, Razzak,Saqlain and perhaps Farhat or even Azhar. It would be great to have a bigger pool of players to choose from. As for Nazir, for someone who played only 8 tests he has two test hundereds and not at all bad average of almost 33. Perhaps we should learn to persevere with our talents.

  • DesiHungama on November 18, 2008, 18:35 GMT

    Who the hell is BCCI to ban anyone from playing say in India, Pak or elsewhere for that matter. This knock from Imran Nazir was a one time thing. He is tested and tried. He still needs a better footwork. But man can we bring Razzaq back somehow. What a moronic stand by PCB, unbelieveable!

  • abs on November 18, 2008, 7:33 GMT

    Pakistani cricketers are the most inventive in the world. If only they could come together and click together it would be cricket at its magical best.

  • Amer Ahmed on November 18, 2008, 4:46 GMT

    We surely have a few talented boys playing ICL & they should be able to play wherever they like without being barred to play for Pakistan. We are definitely wasting some talent but that talent does not include Imran Nazir, who is another hit or miss player like Afridi. We need consistency and Nazir cannot provide that in any format of the game. I’m not denying the talent that Nazir possess, he is one of my favorite players to watch just as Afridi who is even more dynamic and always delight to watch. But how often do they make us proud, the answer is simple, “rarely”. The boys we definitely miss are Yousaf, Razzaq, Farhat and Saqi, it is a disgrace for PCB to waste such a talent and yet another country recognizes their ability and gives us a chance to watch our heroes in action for some more time. No one person or team is ever bigger than the Country itself, hence the boys who are representing Pakistan at the moment deserves the applause. Job well done boys, you made Pakistan PROUD.

  • Mahadevan on November 18, 2008, 4:07 GMT

    What happened shows Pakistan is really overflowing with talents. Now the onus is on PCB to utilize the talent to produce a team which wins regularly in international cricket. What Akthar or Asif did aren't going to help the team. Also PCB should see why matchwinners like Saqlain, Azhar Mehmood, Mushtaq Ahmed, Yousuf etc. are lost. Also Pakistan is not using the services of stalwarts like Akram, Waqar etc. Again for sometime Pakistan should accept to play in neutral venues like SL did. SL later came out stronger.

  • Saptarshi on November 18, 2008, 3:02 GMT

    If a player like Nazir can score so much just goes on to show the standard of ICL. Truly a circus league. If that bloke plays in IPL he will never get past single digit scores.

  • Gugu on November 18, 2008, 1:42 GMT

    1. When Lawson defended his record, the criticism was that his team won against weak teams. So, without being critical, WI is not a strong team if not as weak as Zim or BD. In essence, Shoaib Malik still needs to prove he is worth captaincy and so does coach. 2. If ICC has not approved ICL, it hasn't banned either as M. Yusuf has correctly stated. 3. The BCCI's behaviour, their misuse of power and boards of rest of countries to grovel to BCCI pressure re: ICL stance is all appalling and pathetic to say the least.

  • Jilani on November 18, 2008, 1:08 GMT

    Kamran, the Pakistan based blog readers need to take some foot action and organize demonstrations in front of PCB office.

    On sunday, I was just flabbergasted, embarresed, ashamed, absolutely toungue tied that such an explosive team and talent was banned on a stupid technicality. That is just &*^%&* bull&^%$#.

    PCB needs to get show some gonads.

    A player should ONLY be banned by either ICC's guidance or WADA's regulations - NOT BCCI's.

    Again that is just that is just &*^%&* bull&^%$#.

    Pakistan can simply re-instate and put this team in the World T20 Cup next year. These guys will win that one as well just as easily.

    This battlehardened bunch needs to be Pakistan's special T20 team for the world cup. Perhaps that is Inzi's and Moin's destiny for the next 2 to 4 years. WHAT A WASTE. WHAT A WASTE. WHAT A WASTE.

    Malik et all can focus on one-day and test.

    Let the green caps roll once again.

    -Jilani

  • Johnny Dangerously on November 23, 2008, 19:44 GMT

    It never ceases to amaze me, the psyche of the Pakistani fan. The same Asghars, Shafiqs and so on just recently stated the only hope for Pakistan was to stop playing cricket as a protest, if not that they categorically hammered the team for reasonable perfomances, this same team. Secondly, its a free market, at least India is, so if these Pakistani players earn their rotis in India why blame the company that employs them? Statements like Yousuf is greedy , Razzaq should have stayed patriotic and stuck through thick and thin for Pakistan are silly. Dont they have a brain? They made a choice, they are being paid top dollar for that. Dollars which are not in the offing in Pakistan. The BCCI is just as much morally bankrupt as the PCB. The PCB is notorious for treating Cricket as a political chalice so lets not even go there. As for the article, nothing new, just emotional jingoism on display.Lastly Pak defeating a rattle tattle WI doesnt mean they have 'returned', dont fool yourselves.

  • Nomaan Baig on November 23, 2008, 19:05 GMT

    IMRAN NAZIR's knock was a cameo. If he could only tame himself and be more dilligent in his batting, he can prove to be like Sehwag is for India.

  • Rehan Sheikh on November 21, 2008, 1:02 GMT

    IMRAN NAZIR is a flawed genius and should have been protected and guarded like a rare gem. He opened with Saeed Anwar in Australia and showed wonderful temperament. Those who think he is a oneinnings wonder should listen to all the International Pundits raving about him. When he demolished Indians when they last toured Pakistan in a side match he wasnt even given a chance in the starting eleven. We have mismanaged many a promising talent. From ICL alone atleast 5-6 players can make the National team. Rana Naved, Nazir, Razzak,Saqlain and perhaps Farhat or even Azhar. It would be great to have a bigger pool of players to choose from. As for Nazir, for someone who played only 8 tests he has two test hundereds and not at all bad average of almost 33. Perhaps we should learn to persevere with our talents.

  • DesiHungama on November 18, 2008, 18:35 GMT

    Who the hell is BCCI to ban anyone from playing say in India, Pak or elsewhere for that matter. This knock from Imran Nazir was a one time thing. He is tested and tried. He still needs a better footwork. But man can we bring Razzaq back somehow. What a moronic stand by PCB, unbelieveable!

  • abs on November 18, 2008, 7:33 GMT

    Pakistani cricketers are the most inventive in the world. If only they could come together and click together it would be cricket at its magical best.

  • Amer Ahmed on November 18, 2008, 4:46 GMT

    We surely have a few talented boys playing ICL & they should be able to play wherever they like without being barred to play for Pakistan. We are definitely wasting some talent but that talent does not include Imran Nazir, who is another hit or miss player like Afridi. We need consistency and Nazir cannot provide that in any format of the game. I’m not denying the talent that Nazir possess, he is one of my favorite players to watch just as Afridi who is even more dynamic and always delight to watch. But how often do they make us proud, the answer is simple, “rarely”. The boys we definitely miss are Yousaf, Razzaq, Farhat and Saqi, it is a disgrace for PCB to waste such a talent and yet another country recognizes their ability and gives us a chance to watch our heroes in action for some more time. No one person or team is ever bigger than the Country itself, hence the boys who are representing Pakistan at the moment deserves the applause. Job well done boys, you made Pakistan PROUD.

  • Mahadevan on November 18, 2008, 4:07 GMT

    What happened shows Pakistan is really overflowing with talents. Now the onus is on PCB to utilize the talent to produce a team which wins regularly in international cricket. What Akthar or Asif did aren't going to help the team. Also PCB should see why matchwinners like Saqlain, Azhar Mehmood, Mushtaq Ahmed, Yousuf etc. are lost. Also Pakistan is not using the services of stalwarts like Akram, Waqar etc. Again for sometime Pakistan should accept to play in neutral venues like SL did. SL later came out stronger.

  • Saptarshi on November 18, 2008, 3:02 GMT

    If a player like Nazir can score so much just goes on to show the standard of ICL. Truly a circus league. If that bloke plays in IPL he will never get past single digit scores.

  • Gugu on November 18, 2008, 1:42 GMT

    1. When Lawson defended his record, the criticism was that his team won against weak teams. So, without being critical, WI is not a strong team if not as weak as Zim or BD. In essence, Shoaib Malik still needs to prove he is worth captaincy and so does coach. 2. If ICC has not approved ICL, it hasn't banned either as M. Yusuf has correctly stated. 3. The BCCI's behaviour, their misuse of power and boards of rest of countries to grovel to BCCI pressure re: ICL stance is all appalling and pathetic to say the least.

  • Jilani on November 18, 2008, 1:08 GMT

    Kamran, the Pakistan based blog readers need to take some foot action and organize demonstrations in front of PCB office.

    On sunday, I was just flabbergasted, embarresed, ashamed, absolutely toungue tied that such an explosive team and talent was banned on a stupid technicality. That is just &*^%&* bull&^%$#.

    PCB needs to get show some gonads.

    A player should ONLY be banned by either ICC's guidance or WADA's regulations - NOT BCCI's.

    Again that is just that is just &*^%&* bull&^%$#.

    Pakistan can simply re-instate and put this team in the World T20 Cup next year. These guys will win that one as well just as easily.

    This battlehardened bunch needs to be Pakistan's special T20 team for the world cup. Perhaps that is Inzi's and Moin's destiny for the next 2 to 4 years. WHAT A WASTE. WHAT A WASTE. WHAT A WASTE.

    Malik et all can focus on one-day and test.

    Let the green caps roll once again.

    -Jilani

  • waterbuffalo on November 18, 2008, 0:14 GMT

    I hope Mohd Yousuf and Asim Kamal will be restored to the Pakistan Test team in the Indiam series. We need players who can occupy the crease and be counted upon to prize their wicket. I hope Afridi will not play in the Test Series as he does not care at all about his wicket. Mohd. Yousuf must play, without him Pakistan will lose 2-0. You can have all the big hitters you want in ODI and 20/20 cricket. I only care about Test Cricket, because that is the only thing that will be remembered in 30 years.

  • Badar on November 17, 2008, 20:57 GMT

    It's sad to see too many fine players getting wasted in the ICL when they could be playing for their country but for the stupid egos of PCB to keep their masters, BCCI and it's godson ICC, happy we'll continue to lose more players. Why can't a player have the freedom to choose his source of income. It's their livelihood and how is ICL different from playing for a county in England or a state side in Australia? We can still benefit from the two Imrans, Sami, Rana Naved and Shahid Nazir not to mention M.Yousuf. PCB is willing to sacrifice the backbone of the team rather than take a firm stand to reinstate all the ICL players. Mark my words; the day BCCI and not ICC changes its stance on ICL, PCB too will do the same. Money and power dictates terms and unfortunately PCB doesn't have either. Salman Butt is only good at home and our current openers lack the firepower needed at the beginning of the innings and to make the best use of powerplays. Imagine if we had the two Imrans in Abu Dhabi?

  • Aamir Ahmed Akhund on November 17, 2008, 19:21 GMT

    I completely agree. It was a great day for Pak cricket,and i dont care what any one might think about ICL,it was a victory all Pakistani cricket lovers should cheerish. As far as our national cricket i wish shoib malik all the very best because India is just along the corner and this could be a great turning point in his career as well as some of our other star players

  • Dr Athar Abbas on November 17, 2008, 19:21 GMT

    Thanks for the nice write up and saying the facts as always. Pakistan has too many people playing cricket to be represented adequately by 11 Pakistan team cricketers. There are more than 2 openers worthy of interntional representation in Pakistan. Similarly there are more than 3 fast bowlers, more than 1 wicket keeper and more than just a few batsmen. The opportunities need to be expanded. I watched both matches from my home in USA. As you said, it was more than the word ENJOYABLE can explain. I request someone to write about extending the ICL to Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Two teams from Pakistan, one from Sri Lanka and one from Bangladesh (one already exists from Pakistan and Bangladesh). Well their matches cab be hosted in Lahore and Karachi in Non PCB stadia like Defense stadium in Karachi and Punjab stadium/Bagh e Jinnah in Lahore. City governments I am sure will be happy to oblige like Ahmedababd. EXPAND THE HEALTHY ACTIVITY INTO FREE MARKET ECONOMY, NO MONOPOLIES:

  • wakeel on November 17, 2008, 19:00 GMT

    1 thing that pleased me the most was the direction, commitment and dedication in both the teams.And why it pleased me is bcoz dey both represent Pakistan. i darely hope that this commitment remains for a long time.as i believe Pakistan has every bit of talent but we always lack a sense of direction. nd now i am very much optimistic abt cricket in pakistan will get on track soon.

  • Wasim on November 17, 2008, 18:44 GMT

    Kamran you were wrong in your last post, Pakistan were not rusty against West Indies and the new administrators have so far done good job by bringing the players together. No team can win every single match they play, this Pakistani team is playing good cricket despite all the odds, look at England how they are struggling against India, Pakistan team has never struggled like this against India, look at Newzealand how they struggled against the Bangladesh team, the more this team will play the better they will get, instead of being pessimistic you need to write against the reluctance of other teams to tour Pakistan in a deliberate effort to destroy Pakistan cricket and the status of its team amongst the major cricket teams. Imran Nazir never got as many opportunities as some of the other players got but having said that he can never be a VIV Richards as both him and Afridi do not possess proper defensive technique, they don't have match awareness, and they lack in shot selection.

  • Assad on November 17, 2008, 18:39 GMT

    What a useless article....Are you judging Imran Nazir on his heroics against a highly mediocre ICL attack? He is a tried and tested failiure at the international level, so are others like Imran Farhat and Shahid Nazir. The only players Pakistan seems to be missing are Razzaq, Yousuf and Saqlain Mushtaq. These ridiculous 20-20 leagues have made a mockery of cricket, the kind of ridiculous garbage bowling that was on display, proved that point. To see these terrible medium pacers serving half-volleys made me understand why the IPL is actually miles ahead of the ICL. And to see a pathetic cricketer like Chris Harris leading a team made me laugh....

  • naveen on November 17, 2008, 18:14 GMT

    i have to agree with you. Imran nazir's innings is one of the best in the short life span of t20. It is simply brilliant.

  • Asim on November 17, 2008, 17:52 GMT

    I've always like Imran Nazir, when he made his debut at seventeen it seemed as though he would be great, but he never really made much use of his ridiculously good drives and cuts on the offside and the pulls on the legside. I thought he should have gotten more chances, and that he wasn't shelved rightfully. He's older now and he has gotten better at batting,probably the the best solution for Pakistans opening woes, with Salman Butt on the other end. It's a shame we wont get to see more of him on the international stage anytime soon.

  • Wahid on November 17, 2008, 17:41 GMT

    Can you imagine if the bans were lifted, the strength and back up for Pakistan would be immense. As the Lahore Badshahs proved, that they have talent and some of these guys deserve to play for Pakistan.

  • Noman Aziz on November 17, 2008, 17:33 GMT

    Could anyone please tell me why we are still playing Afridi let a world class all rounder Abdul Razzaq get away. Who is most likely to win matached for pakistan? the answer is quite simple. Also disappointed to see him playing for Hyderabads instead of Badshahs. Anyways good to see Pakistan back in form. Keep up the good work boys!!!

  • Qasim Awan on November 17, 2008, 17:27 GMT

    Pakistani cricket needs to heal its wounds,& get Asif & Yousuf back. If the Lahore Badshahs can return from exile & be brought back into the fold,then we can have an unstoppable team again.

    BRING ON THE INDIANS!!

  • Umair Dar on November 17, 2008, 17:06 GMT

    Great article.

    It infuriates me that all these incredibly gifted Pakistani players are banned from playing for the national team. But the fact that two completely different Pakistan teams played as well as they did is testament to the depth we have in talent - not to mention that Razzaq was on the Hyderabad team and the likes of Shoaib Akhter / Mohammad Asif / Yasir Hameed / Shabbir Ahmed / Taufeeq Umar were not in either team is further testament to that.

    I really hope the ICL becomes 'sanctioned' at some stage - at the moment the game of cricket is in complete disarray due to the completely morally bankrupt organizations that are the BCCI and ICC.

  • Umar on November 17, 2008, 17:04 GMT

    It was indeed a good day for Pakistan cricket on the whole but I'm still concerned about how susceptible our national team is to failures. Malik's captaincy still leaves a lot to be desired, but I sure hope this series win is the start of something good for Pakistan. The last two years have just been plain depressing for the Pakistan cricket fans.

  • FAHD on November 17, 2008, 16:21 GMT

    Continuing from my post above my qustion is what if Dhoni Yuvrj Sachin Shewag Gambhir decide to join the ICL for some reason do u think they will be banned too.It would be highly improbable to ban them since we all know what the public reaction is to a loss in India

  • DesiHungama on November 17, 2008, 16:18 GMT

    All I got to say- Can we now bring Aasim Kamal back in the line up now when Joseph has signed up with the ICL?

  • FAHD on November 17, 2008, 16:02 GMT

    I think the pak adminstrators are depriving the fans of a full fledged pak team.It is their moral obligation towards all pakistanis and all cricket lovers to pick the best and most talented players of pakistan.Thus not picking players like Nazir Farhat Rana Razzaq Yousaf is a disgrace of the highest order. Imagine the bench strength it will give to the current team.My question is what if another league like the ICL opens up and starts recrutting players and we loose another bunch of talented cricketrs.Will they be banned too and if so when will it stop.I think Pakistan should stop following India blindly just because they are a superpower of cricket now.We need to look at the best interest for our own team and stop following them.I mean if we analyze our relationship with India and see what have we gained and what we have lost during the last of couple of years i think we have lost more than we have gained.I mean we have lost a whole PAK team and that is very unfair for us the fans

  • saqib bhatti on November 17, 2008, 15:25 GMT

    A couple of notes.. Firstly, i thought rickshaws weren't allowed on Mall Road. Secondly, there was just one Pakistani chap who didn't win yesterday and that was Mr. Abdul Razzaq. But with his form, he has easily proven he could still walk into the current Pakistan Team. Moral bankruptcy indeed!

  • Gokul on November 17, 2008, 15:23 GMT

    While the ICL champs are indeed a Pak city team, it should be noted that the team they beat (Hyderabad) had Pak players too. But yeah, overall this week was good for the Pakistani cricket lovers :-)

  • Faisal Iqbal on November 17, 2008, 15:23 GMT

    Indeed, Imran Nazir's innings was a cracker which led us to believe the fact the kamran said in the article. But the reality differs which we usually hides along with the rationale that ICL has to be identified by PCB. There are better pros than cons, if PCB accepts ICL, though it all depends how they are "willing" to put things right for Pakistan. The game against westindies and in the ICL were two different versions, but it give us a belief that Pakistan cricket is not ordinary at all which has been criticized for last 4 years. Its just the internal politics of PCB has weakened the resources of Pakistan whereas the high profile individuals has their own distinguished views which never favoured the cricket of Pakistan.

  • Asghar Husain on November 17, 2008, 15:17 GMT

    Kamran,

    Exciting as it was, we should not read too much into the Lahore Badshah's. Of course the Pakistan B team will overwhelm a motley assortment of 'has been' or 'never been' cricketers. No one with the prospect of playing for their national team is in the ICL.

    Re: Imran Nazir - yes exciting and maybe it is time to engineer a recall to the Pak side. He should come in place of Afridi. There is room for only one wild card in the side.

    On the real team, Sohail Tanvir's continued potency is heartening as well as surprising. A real find and the unlikliest hero.

  • Usman Zia on November 17, 2008, 15:17 GMT

    I agree with you about the ICL issue. The cricket right now is controlled by power. ICC is like UNO and by that i mean completely useless !!!! It has no control over anything. If there was league launched, i do not see a problem with that. There are proffesional cricketers and they have every right to make money. By banning them to play for thier countries, is a disgrace. ICC is controlled by BCCI and whatever they say, is the word of GOD for ICC. Samething with FTP. It should be FTC (Future tours crap) not FTP. How can they give some countries so many matches and some almost none? If they say it depends on boards then whats ICC there for? Coming back to ICL and that magical innings.Its a shame its not gonna go in record books. It was once in a life time expereince to watch such crisp and clean hitting. I know Imran Nazir has not done justice sometimes to his place in the side but what have we done with him? Its time PCB gets out of BCCI shadow and gets these Geniuses back in team!

  • Muhammad Shahid on November 17, 2008, 15:02 GMT

    I think most of the cricketers representing Lahore Badshahs have quite a bit of cricket left in them and some serious effort should be made to reconcile with them. Look at how Inzi, Yousuf, Rana, Saqlain, Imran Nazir, or Azhar has performed. Same goes for Abdul Razzaq representing Hyderabad Heroes. Do you thing that they deserve to be left out of the mainstream cricket? Most of them left because they had grievances with Pakistan’s cricket board officials or felt that they were not given due respect. We have abundant cricket talent but this does not mean that we should waste it. Pakistan Cricket Board has been lenient to Shoaib Akhtar despite of his repeated failures to perform and disciplinary issues, so why can’t they be lenient to these guys.

  • Umar on November 17, 2008, 14:59 GMT

    I wonder if the PCB will risk the ire of the BCCI and reinstate the ICL rebels. Ejaz Butt has hinted at it, but I doubt if he is willing to walk the walk...

    One thing I did notice some time back, looking at a news report on Taufeeq Umar's wedding, that the rebels and the Pakistan team seemed to be getting along fine... there was no antagonism between the two groups, so it wouldn't be too hard to integrate the rebels back into the fold... but will the PCB risk that?

    Imran Nazir may be too risky a prospect, but Rana Naved seems to have recovered the form that deserted him so alarmingly... a Pakistan middle order with Mohammad Yousaf in it is infinitely stronger...

  • Junaid on November 17, 2008, 14:35 GMT

    Paksitan needs Imran Nazir to open in 20/20 and one day matches. I know he can be inconsistent but than he is the most explosive opener in Pakistan and we need such power players to beat teams like Australia and India. Anyways congrats to all Pakistanis for a great week in cricket in Abu Dhabi and ICL after such a turmoil.

  • SO_SO_FABULOUS on November 17, 2008, 14:34 GMT

    pakistani cricketers playing in ICL should be unbaned immediately...its totaly unfair to ban our players/people to please the indians...

    every person in the world has the right to earn a living, where ever that may be. and im 100% sure imran nazir would have chosen to bat for pakistan against the westindies rather then be playing in a usless 20/20 trounament...

    pcb see sense and bring the players back...

  • Abbas on November 17, 2008, 14:22 GMT

    Like Kamran, I follow Pakistan cricketers wherever they play, including Lahore Badshahs. Very pleased they won in India!! Great to see Nazir at his best – not so Yousuf, Sami, Raza, Razzle Dazzle and the rest as they should have been in the Windies.

    Nazir is possibly the only batsman – on his day – who could challenge Afridi’s record of 100 in 37 balls. The others are Gilchrist – who’s retired of course, Yuvraj and Afridi himself are far too inconsistent (if Yuvi doesn’t do it against England now – he’ll never do it).

    This guy should never have been lost to ICL, but with Yousuf gone, no one really cares – plus it was over a year ago.

    Are we going to lose Yaseer Hameed , Asim Kamal and Mohammed Hafeez next?

  • Adeel Azhar on November 17, 2008, 14:19 GMT

    wow! what a great day of cricket for Pakistan! we sure still know how to hit a cover drive and how to bowl an in-swinging yorker! Congrats boys! and thank you for making us proud! Pak team proved that they wont be mere pushovers for India, they will surely put up a fight (set aside winning for a while). Imran Nazir got his chances for pakistan but he was notin more than a frustration for cricket fans. Good to see him coming of age. Abt ICL players, well lets keep quiet for a while till indian tour (if they do) otherwise our board wont just be morally bankrupt (as per Mr. Abbasi) but finally bankrupt as well!

  • aftab on November 17, 2008, 14:00 GMT

    When it comes to ICL, the BCCI has not been a great embassador of a country in which a party led by a 'foreign born' "woman" wins general elections purely on agenda (can't happen in another country soon). Not only has BCCI stolen ICL's idea and capitolized on it, not only did it ban the players of its own country who would play for the original league, but it has the audacity of twisting arms of *all* the world-cricket to follow suit. Boy, is there some greed in the world! As for ICC - well it reminds one the executives of Wall Street and nothing else.

    PCB does not exist. If BCCI already had answered a question, don't need to ask PCB even if it's about PCB. It's answer is "ditto". Now including the national selections! I sincerely hope that Indian team can't go through with its Pakistani tour. That might give some idea to new PCB administration of the real BCCI and, may be, have them think if they should exist for cricket in Pakistan - the grassroots.

    A Pakistani fan.

  • Ahmed Chowdhry on November 17, 2008, 13:56 GMT

    Imran Nazir's brilliant innings reminded us yet again that Pakistan has awesome talent at its disposal. It is only the management of that talent and giving it a right direction that has been lacking..

    Just look at Razzaq an, Saqlain, Mahmood. They can easily play for any international team in the world. It is a pity that they have been banned. It is not only their and Pakistan's loss but also of International cricket's loss.

    So i say bring 'em back!!

  • H.Malik on November 17, 2008, 13:52 GMT

    Dear Kamran,this is from my heart.I was watching ICL Final on the Tensport& it then switched the match to Abudahbi just when Lahore Badshas were about to embark on that epic innings.I switched on my Laptop &(read on line score,ball by ball )of Imran Nazir's epic innings .Watching the ODI in Abudhabi even with Gale's hig calibre & entertainig inngs ball by ball,( In comparison to ICL Final being palyed at the same time ),was so boring & interest less for me But my cable operator had left me no choice to watch it live . At times in appeared to me I was watching the Test cricket (slow paced lethargic movements with no sense of interest at all,even though it was an ODI and with Gale at the driving seat !) Wow man ICL final a 54K attendance and every one yearning for excitement . That is called a sport , a game what it should give to its viewvers so who ever says TEST Criecket is the ultimate game,can eat his or humble pie half in the mouth half on the face 20/20 is the game to stay & grow

  • Atif on November 17, 2008, 13:39 GMT

    Fair comments! I would like to highlight the ICL part. It is so confounding that the cricket world, and by that i do not mean the administrators bogged down by BCCI blackmailing but the cricket fans and journalists, has not come out with full force to lift this completely unjustified and totally irrational ban on the livelihood of cricketers. What can be banned next? cricket in our backyards unless we pay taxes to BCCI?

  • LK on November 17, 2008, 13:09 GMT

    Yes, great wasn't it...I kept switching between the two matches. We (including you) shouldn't have written them off too soon - things are never as bad as they seem (on the other hand never as good as they seem either :-).

  • Anjum on November 17, 2008, 13:06 GMT

    The difference between two teams (Lahore Badshahs and Team Pakistan) are the captaincy and no interference of outside elements in the formation of playing eleven! Pakistan is persisting with Salman But and Afridi despite their below par performance and their resolve not to change their game come what may. We have lot of good leg spinners who have the same the expectancy to score as Afridi does. For Salman Butt, he lost his confidence the against when Irfan Pathan did him in the 2005-06 series in Pkiastan. He has no back lift and his feet are glued to the ground like trapped mouse. Unfortunately, PCB took people's understanding of cricket as poor as their own for so many years, however people have changed and know more now, unlike PCB.

  • Arshad on November 17, 2008, 12:44 GMT

    a good day, but left a bad taste in the mouth. The likes of Nazir and co. should not be denied a international career because of the pig headed attitude of the BccI

    I have a question, what is the difference between the stanford 20/20 (authorised by ICC) and the ICL (unauthorised)?

    Why is ICL not being recognised? they follow all the rules of cricket, they have provided entertainment and we did not see Mr. Subhash Chandra with a pregnant wife of a player on his knee!

    my second point, is directly related to why these palyers perform for Badshahs and not for PCB

    If players were guaranteed their spot for a series and did not feel one failure would lead to eternal banishment, then they will paly with confidence. Nazir, Farhat, Rana Naveed, Taufeeq, Hasan Raza, were always in and out of the national team and played their cricket on tenterhooks. Now they are guaranteed their spot and they play with only one thing in mind, lets perform!

  • Rauf on November 17, 2008, 12:24 GMT

    "First, that the exclusion of the ICL from offiicial cricket and the punishment of cricketers is an international disgrace and evidence of moral bankruptcy in cricket administration."

    Well said Kamran... finally!!

    Now I hope someone in PCB is reading this and grow a backbone for once and change their official stance on ICL. Their masters in BCCI will not like this and PCB will suffer in short term but I am sure a principled stance will prevail in the end.

  • Imran Ali on November 17, 2008, 12:23 GMT

    Kamran, for me AbuDhabi victory was better because they were battling with world class players like Gayle, Shiv, Taylor, Powell etc..

    Whereas Imran Nazir was thrashing mediocre & club stature bowling of retired dilly-dolly bowlers like Razzak, Harris & Boje.

    But then Pakistani batsmen have always known to be good players of mediocre bowling, Shahid Afridi, Salman Butt, Imran Farhat, Imran Nazir etc.........

  • xill-e-ilahi on November 17, 2008, 12:21 GMT

    it was also probably a case of malik's men not wanting to look like the second eleven; something which inzy's boys are desperately trying to prove.

    as long as we get something to watch, its all good.

  • Shafiq on November 17, 2008, 12:17 GMT

    One thing is sure,Pakistan cricket can never be died nor isolated so easily.Both wins were sweet reminder for everyone, whether---the winners of 20M$ or the IPL fighting ECB----or the richness of BCCI or rudeness of CA---that the class talent of pakistan cricket still has spark to glow the fields & ignite the heartbeats on its own tunes. Well done team Pakistan--- I am sure you have chance to reach no 2 in ODI to beat INDIA, now focus on to remind the world of your test potential in coming months. And what an oppurtunity to beat the potential No1 side in the world! And fans remember, few days back before sacking of Lawson---on coments of Mr. Butt, i wrote, It was good of our coach& Captain to take responsibilties in dark circumstances----Now performance of team & handling of Malik proved what i meant.

  • Suresh Kumar on November 17, 2008, 12:16 GMT

    what happens to mohammed yousaf? test cricket would be worse-off without him.

  • jawad on November 17, 2008, 12:11 GMT

    Much is written about the self destructive nature of Pakistan cricket. There is a lot of truth in it.

    The bigger story is how Pakistan is constantly done in by the moral bankruptcy of ICC and the Anglo-Indian mafia that runs it. I am glad you spoke up about it. Cricinfo has been particularly complicit in all of this.

    Pakistan was a top level test team a couple of years ago, when the moral bankruptcy Daryl Hair and ICC knocked them off. It been a downward slide since then with ICL and ICC's schedule. Of course, Pakistan keeps hurting themselves with the antics of Asif, Akhtar and PCB. Cricket is the loser.

  • Prakash on November 17, 2008, 12:07 GMT

    Though I am an Indian fan I am really happy to see Pakistan having a Super Sunday by winning in Abu Dhabi and lifting the ICL trophy. The most important need for world cricket is to have a strong Pakistani cricket team.I hope this is the begining of the new future. I am looking forward to some interesting fight between both India and Pakistan early next year. Till then cheers for the players for showing the winning spirit.

  • Raheel on November 17, 2008, 12:03 GMT

    Imran nazir is an unpolished jem and a 2nd loss after Abdul Razak to Pakistan team, Both players replacement will take a long time.PCB should gets its acts togather and ignorance and selfishness should be put aside, other wise they will lose more great players and they will never get their right position in the ICC's world ranking which should have been number 1 if they respect their players and give them the right treatment which players like Abdul Razak Muhammed yousaf and Imran nazir deserves.

  • Cric_fanatic on November 17, 2008, 11:51 GMT

    Imran Nazir has always been one of my favourite cricketers. Since first seeing him in Sharjah in 2000, we knew here was someone special. Its a big loss for Pak cricket to loose players like him, Mohammad Yousef, Abdul Razzaq and Imran Farhat due to politics of ICL vs IPL. Why cant Pakistan board just take the first stand and remove the ban from these players? So what if Mr. Lalit Modi gets upset. Who would win a match between the Pakistan national team and the Lahore Badshahs? My bet is certainly on Inzi's boys. well done all.

  • saurabh on November 17, 2008, 11:39 GMT

    Well Said Kamran. I feel pained by the behavior of the other cricket boards against Pakistan, as by not touring they are denying themselves of a wonderful experience.Pakistan's goverment is to be blamed mostly as well, cos' they are not able to keep the internal situation in control. It is important to have Pakistan as a strong team in cricket world and its victory over WI in the ODI Series may spur them to better things in the coming future. Pak lost a lot of talented players specially Mh Yusuf and Abul Razaq to ICL, I miss seeing them play and hope that they get another chance while they are on the right side of age and form. All in all congratulations to Pakistan and I hope that they come out stronger after the events of last 10 months

    -Saurabh

  • Kamran Wasti on November 17, 2008, 11:36 GMT

    Imran Nazir always frustrated me. Anyone who can score a century off Ambrose and Walsh in the West Indies as an 18-year old and who can later score runs off Warne, McGrath, Lee and Gillespie in Australia as a 20-year old must have some ability. As it turns out, we wasted it. This is precisely why Salman Butt is precious and should be persisted with. Four years ago, after Pakistan lost to Australia, I would tell others the same thing about Younis Khan. They laughed at me when he had a horrorifying first test in India. From the next test onwards, it was a different story. Danish Kaneria's case is similar. He is not an exceptional talent but he is a courageous bowler with a big heart and always gives his 100% and was good enough to take wickets against Australia in Australia and later outbowled Kumble in India in 2005. Such players should be nurtured and not thrown away like we did with Saqlain at the age of 27.

  • Gohar on November 17, 2008, 11:29 GMT

    It was a dream night for us watching Imran Nazir as the NightMare for Bowlers!! This guy has the best of the Gutts!! to produce remarkable knocks but some dirty politics ruined his career! Yesterday, the command he showed over his bat , was tremendos.Dude, he is a natural stroke player, his punch of the back foot was best of all. Moreover, Saqi!! he proves that he is the best! PCB, has to revise his decision for taking back these Rebilious players. I bet they will be happy to back in green again.

  • Adnan on November 17, 2008, 11:04 GMT

    i was actually waiting for your artical. it was such a joy to watch Rao taking wickets in one channel and Imran destoring the bowlers in other side. actually i was more pleased with Pakistan cleaning up the windies. we dont see that with pakistan cricket, but its good to see green on the field.

    as for ICL i think two player must be in our international side one is Razzak and other is Yousaf. i have still question on Shoiab Akhtars consistancy how in the world a PCB is affording a guy like him. you are paying a guy for just being injured its better to send an under 19 guy as a 12th man and view the experiance..

    Any how welcome back Pakistan and Good luck in future..

  • Asad on November 17, 2008, 11:02 GMT

    Wow.. Amazing Result !!

    Remove the Ban from ICL Players. Good Job Pakistan team for 3-0 win, but Imran Nazir innings was the best innings for 20/20 ever. If Lahore Badshah wins ICL world series too and I would be ecstatic !! Thanks for making us proug again. Pakistan Zindabad !

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  • Asad on November 17, 2008, 11:02 GMT

    Wow.. Amazing Result !!

    Remove the Ban from ICL Players. Good Job Pakistan team for 3-0 win, but Imran Nazir innings was the best innings for 20/20 ever. If Lahore Badshah wins ICL world series too and I would be ecstatic !! Thanks for making us proug again. Pakistan Zindabad !

  • Adnan on November 17, 2008, 11:04 GMT

    i was actually waiting for your artical. it was such a joy to watch Rao taking wickets in one channel and Imran destoring the bowlers in other side. actually i was more pleased with Pakistan cleaning up the windies. we dont see that with pakistan cricket, but its good to see green on the field.

    as for ICL i think two player must be in our international side one is Razzak and other is Yousaf. i have still question on Shoiab Akhtars consistancy how in the world a PCB is affording a guy like him. you are paying a guy for just being injured its better to send an under 19 guy as a 12th man and view the experiance..

    Any how welcome back Pakistan and Good luck in future..

  • Gohar on November 17, 2008, 11:29 GMT

    It was a dream night for us watching Imran Nazir as the NightMare for Bowlers!! This guy has the best of the Gutts!! to produce remarkable knocks but some dirty politics ruined his career! Yesterday, the command he showed over his bat , was tremendos.Dude, he is a natural stroke player, his punch of the back foot was best of all. Moreover, Saqi!! he proves that he is the best! PCB, has to revise his decision for taking back these Rebilious players. I bet they will be happy to back in green again.

  • Kamran Wasti on November 17, 2008, 11:36 GMT

    Imran Nazir always frustrated me. Anyone who can score a century off Ambrose and Walsh in the West Indies as an 18-year old and who can later score runs off Warne, McGrath, Lee and Gillespie in Australia as a 20-year old must have some ability. As it turns out, we wasted it. This is precisely why Salman Butt is precious and should be persisted with. Four years ago, after Pakistan lost to Australia, I would tell others the same thing about Younis Khan. They laughed at me when he had a horrorifying first test in India. From the next test onwards, it was a different story. Danish Kaneria's case is similar. He is not an exceptional talent but he is a courageous bowler with a big heart and always gives his 100% and was good enough to take wickets against Australia in Australia and later outbowled Kumble in India in 2005. Such players should be nurtured and not thrown away like we did with Saqlain at the age of 27.

  • saurabh on November 17, 2008, 11:39 GMT

    Well Said Kamran. I feel pained by the behavior of the other cricket boards against Pakistan, as by not touring they are denying themselves of a wonderful experience.Pakistan's goverment is to be blamed mostly as well, cos' they are not able to keep the internal situation in control. It is important to have Pakistan as a strong team in cricket world and its victory over WI in the ODI Series may spur them to better things in the coming future. Pak lost a lot of talented players specially Mh Yusuf and Abul Razaq to ICL, I miss seeing them play and hope that they get another chance while they are on the right side of age and form. All in all congratulations to Pakistan and I hope that they come out stronger after the events of last 10 months

    -Saurabh

  • Cric_fanatic on November 17, 2008, 11:51 GMT

    Imran Nazir has always been one of my favourite cricketers. Since first seeing him in Sharjah in 2000, we knew here was someone special. Its a big loss for Pak cricket to loose players like him, Mohammad Yousef, Abdul Razzaq and Imran Farhat due to politics of ICL vs IPL. Why cant Pakistan board just take the first stand and remove the ban from these players? So what if Mr. Lalit Modi gets upset. Who would win a match between the Pakistan national team and the Lahore Badshahs? My bet is certainly on Inzi's boys. well done all.

  • Raheel on November 17, 2008, 12:03 GMT

    Imran nazir is an unpolished jem and a 2nd loss after Abdul Razak to Pakistan team, Both players replacement will take a long time.PCB should gets its acts togather and ignorance and selfishness should be put aside, other wise they will lose more great players and they will never get their right position in the ICC's world ranking which should have been number 1 if they respect their players and give them the right treatment which players like Abdul Razak Muhammed yousaf and Imran nazir deserves.

  • Prakash on November 17, 2008, 12:07 GMT

    Though I am an Indian fan I am really happy to see Pakistan having a Super Sunday by winning in Abu Dhabi and lifting the ICL trophy. The most important need for world cricket is to have a strong Pakistani cricket team.I hope this is the begining of the new future. I am looking forward to some interesting fight between both India and Pakistan early next year. Till then cheers for the players for showing the winning spirit.

  • jawad on November 17, 2008, 12:11 GMT

    Much is written about the self destructive nature of Pakistan cricket. There is a lot of truth in it.

    The bigger story is how Pakistan is constantly done in by the moral bankruptcy of ICC and the Anglo-Indian mafia that runs it. I am glad you spoke up about it. Cricinfo has been particularly complicit in all of this.

    Pakistan was a top level test team a couple of years ago, when the moral bankruptcy Daryl Hair and ICC knocked them off. It been a downward slide since then with ICL and ICC's schedule. Of course, Pakistan keeps hurting themselves with the antics of Asif, Akhtar and PCB. Cricket is the loser.

  • Suresh Kumar on November 17, 2008, 12:16 GMT

    what happens to mohammed yousaf? test cricket would be worse-off without him.