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India threaten pull-out over DRS

Nagraj Gollapudi

January 31, 2013

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Dale Steyn signals for a review, Australia v South Africa, first Test, day three, Brisbane, November 11, 2012
India continue to stand in the way of a more consistent use of the DRS © Getty Images

India have again struck down the latest attempt to bring more consistency to the implementation of the DRS by threatening to pull out of any tour in which the host country insisted on using the technology.

At the ICC executive meeting in Dubai the ECB, represented by chairman Giles Clarke, was the only board that spoke in favour of a policy change where the approval of the host country would be enough to implement the DRS. N Srinivasan, the BCCI chief, shot down the proposal and ESPNcricinfo understands that the remaining boards did not make a stand.

Srinivasan's concerns are understood to still centre on a belief that the technology could be easily manipulated and is unreliable. It has been learnt that he made the claim that India would pull out of bilateral series if a system was in place where the home side could insist on the DRS.

Though the DRS issue was not even listed on the agenda, or in the post-meeting press release dispatched, it was discussed at length in the wake of a renewed push during the ICC chief executives committee (CEC) meeting last month, for universal implementation of the referral system. At that meeting, held on December 4, every member with the exception of India had backed a change in the DRS implementation policy.

The existing playing conditions require the approval of both countries on DRS during a bilateral series, but the CEC suggested a change in policy that would see the home board having the right to choose the use of the DRS regardless of what the opposition wanted. The CEC recommended that the issue should be resolved via a vote during the executive board meeting.

In the end there was no vote as most of 13-man strong board (10 Full Members plus three Associates) failed to stand up to Srinivasan. Only Clarke, who supported the CEC recommendation, felt it warranted a discussion this week again.

This is not the first time the BCCI has opposed the rest of the members on the DRS. At the ICC's last annual conference in Kuala Lumpur, the CEC had passed the resolution to make the DRS mandatory for all events. The move was then passed to the executive board which had to ratify the decision. But despite the push from the CECs, the head of the Full Member boards refrained from putting the issue to vote.

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Posted by Harmony111 on (February 3, 2013, 8:18 GMT)

@bobmartin: Obviously you would now want to somehow save your face by accusing me of not answering to your question(s) when in fact I've answered pointedly to each and every one, I even gave you the time stamp of the one you explicitly raised.

Ppl here know it pretty well that I do not avoid anyone or anything here so your attempt to back off using a half-thought yet oft-used tactic can fool no one here.

You began with a weak argument and when rebutted turned it into a ridiculous one and then when rebutted again asked me to answer you first when I had already answered it and when I gave you the time stamp of that answer and asked you to talk about DRS per se and not about tangential topics then you felt desperate to find some face-saving ploy cos you had no DRS-specific answers and so now you are saying that you can talk anymore to me cos I am not answering to your already answered questions.

Bye Bye dear.

Posted by cricfaninlv on (February 3, 2013, 2:59 GMT)

how hard is it for people to understand that technology will never be 100% accurate but it will always be more accurate than the human judgement. Should we get rid of runout replays too? Technology will always help make more accurate decisions, how you use it is up to interpretation but it definately helps to have the technology. Finally India needs world cricket just as much as world cricket need India. so India isnt gonna travel to England, Aus and SA because those countries wants to use DRS? India is bluffing big time. I would love to see where Indian cricket will go if they dont get to play above cricket boards.. BCCI has to stop acting like spoiled brat and use its immense power responsibly..

Posted by snbirdi on (February 3, 2013, 0:49 GMT)

So Pakistan is angry about hotspot decisions that went against them on Day 2. Funny how everyone can't wait to rant about BCCI when they're being bullish, yet no one says a word when they're proven right that the technology is not reliable.

Posted by Chris_P on (February 3, 2013, 0:44 GMT)

Again, it is the choice of the host country. What right has the BCCI got to dictate what other countries should use for hosting home series? I wonder what their response would be if the other countries stated that they must use DRS. You would hear the whining from Hobart! Childish response form the BCCI, very childish.

Posted by Chris_P on (February 2, 2013, 22:34 GMT)

I am coughing up my corn flakes reading some of these posts. Have you people so quickly forgotten the howls of protest form the recent India/England series where there were FAR more errors that would have been corrected by the use of DRS., FAR MORE! Again, for the slow thinking, DRS is not 100%, but it is still way ahead of the human error stack, & this endorsed by the elite umpire panel. Move on!

Posted by Temuzin on (February 2, 2013, 20:49 GMT)

Mr. Hotspot inventor. Did you watch today's game between Pak and SA? what happened with ABD? why your hot spot did not show any spot? when umpires decided there was deviation of the ball? This whole DRS is rubbish and BCCI was right in opposing it.

Posted by JACK.SPARROW on (February 2, 2013, 19:48 GMT)

i think DRS would be 100 % accurate if sensory-type things are attached to the Bat, ball,stump,pad and pitching line. there is a sport (can't remember the name ) in which two opponent have two swords and when they touch each other with sword, a alarm starts ringing. so i think ICC can try that one.

Posted by Engfasttrackwimp on (February 2, 2013, 18:02 GMT)

With DRS, the third umpire has now first to decide whether the spot shown by COLDSPOT is hot or not?! :) We have added complexity, added room for unreliability, added time to the whole process and added cost (that will be a few thousand dollars - Thank You very much!). If someone tells me all this circus is going to improve cricket decision making they need to get their heads examined.

Posted by Engfasttrackwimp on (February 2, 2013, 17:44 GMT)

DRS is expensive and unreliable for the amount it costs. "A $1000 a day should be fine. Not $60,000 a day. That kind of money should go into the development of the game among the Associate members." A perfectly valid argument from the BCCI.

Posted by Engfasttrackwimp on (February 2, 2013, 17:24 GMT)

@bobmartin: Looks like all your arguments have been blown out of the water and finally you can only come up with a statement like "you are wasting my time" :) Sorry if we didn't take your assumptions as facts and support your baseless comments. Anyway... another howler with COLDSPOT in the Pak-SA test as we speak... seriously.. is someone really paying for this "technology" and expecting people to use it in international matches?! It must be really convenient that BCCI is against it. (the school bully everyone loves to hate)... otherwise it would have been difficult to have a logical and reasonable discussion to their arguments.. with BCCI its simple.. just bad mouth them and that's it - no need to have an informed debate or listen to what they are actually saying!

Posted by screamingeagle on (February 2, 2013, 17:03 GMT)

@Alarky, seriously, you made me laugh. That was in the lines of India winning the WC because BCCI told SL to lose. And to use your argument, if India can fix the DRS like they (according to your innuedo) did in the semis, what stops Ind from doing that in all their matches. Really, if you have nothing sensible to say, go watch DRS videos. :)

Posted by pitch_curator on (February 2, 2013, 17:00 GMT)

The current test match should be a slap to anyone who says DRS should be adopted with the current technology. Make no mistake that this is a sales pitch by the ECB on behalf of the technology makers. Once it is adopted, even if a better technology comes later it would be very difficult for the current adopted technology to be replaced and most future talk would only be about "improving" the existing technology. Any guy with decent corporate experience will know that once a system is adopted it is very very difficult to replace it. Fact of the matter is that the current technology is NOT good enough to be adopted.

Posted by EashwarSai on (February 2, 2013, 16:28 GMT)

What have the DRS supporters got to say now after the farce currently happening in South Africa. Its clear not enough tests have been conducted on hotspot and yet the ICC and ECB are trying to force it down India's throat. Who are the bullies now? Definitely not the BCCI.

Posted by CaptainKool on (February 2, 2013, 16:23 GMT)

So again we have seen the technology use in SA vs PAK match. Now take your own stance and this is not the first time either. The people who are saying to ban India and all that kind of rubbish, just see the 2nd day match and u will come to know why DRS is still under hammer by BCCI. And BCCI is absolutely right by opposing it. We need quality umpires regardless of where they come from.

Posted by   on (February 2, 2013, 15:49 GMT)

AB de Villiers LBW decision is a great example in the test match against Pakistan, to support BCCI's argument that the technology is really flawed. Technology use is good but let the technology prove itself before it asks for approval.

Posted by MHZ14 on (February 2, 2013, 15:35 GMT)

After watching Pakistan vs SA i am with India on this. such an awful decisions using hotspots. Hotspot is waste of moeny

Posted by   on (February 2, 2013, 14:50 GMT)

ICC should make DRS Available at all times and hotspot and snicko should never be used.. lets face it these two can be manipulated easily.. Umpires should be give the DRS when its to tough to call umpires should be allowed to make use of technology. I'd be happy with that, because this will definitely cut out the howlers. just having two chance each is not enough as when players think its wrong decision they will appeal.. and end up losing their referral, because it was inconclusive or too close to call so they still with umpires call... why should a team suffer the rest of the match because technology was unable to support what players thought was surely out or not out.

I found it funny.. today when Pakistani player had a faint edge... and thought should he use referral (ended up not using it), but what if he had used it.. would it have been give not out? because hotspot showed nothing... or if the umpire had not given it out and SA had appeals and hotspot was showing nothing.

Posted by alarky on (February 2, 2013, 14:37 GMT)

If India's concern that the DRS technology 'could be manipulated' is true, then I am in full agreement with them that it should not be used at all. But maybe, they reasons to be so bold and forthright in their publicly expressed belief: because, up to now, lots of us who watched the semi final match in the 2011 World Cup between Pakistan and India are still wondering, "How come Sachin Tendulkar could have been judged NOT OUT on an LBW appeal before he had made 10, even after a DRS review was commissioned"?. Pakistani players too, have also been on record expressing their amazement as to what happened with that particular DRS verdict. Hence, there might be something that Mr Srinivasan knows about the integrity of the technology that most of us do not know.

Posted by amanroy on (February 2, 2013, 14:23 GMT)

If anyone watching Sa vs Pak.. look how DRS/hotspot is being misused. The pak fans must be happy now.

Posted by bobmartin on (February 2, 2013, 14:16 GMT)

@Harmony111... You keep harping on about my answers to your questions whilst you carefully avoid answering mine. Therefore I have no optiion but to curtail any further discussion with you.. since I'm obviously wasting my time.. Yes.. my argument is about democracy and fairness and standarisation as I would like to think any decent person's would be. In case you hadn't noticed that was what my questions to you were all about. The fact that you chose not to answer I think says it all. If I've said it once I must have said it a dozen times, DRS should be used either in all games or none.. This current situation where some games are being played with and some without is ludicrous. As is the veto which India have on all matches involving them..As is India's threatened boycott if they are forced to use DRS.

Posted by Sir.Ivor on (February 2, 2013, 14:09 GMT)

Perhaps the most relevant comment comes frpm the inventor of the technology commonly referred to as Hot spot in common parlance. He has emphasised the point that this is not susceptible to manipulation. This one vulnerability having been eliminated altogether, the next one is regarding accuracy. I am firm believer that it should be at least as efficient if not better than on field umpires are. So the DRS is basically a second opinion to the one given by the on field umpires. Whilethe umpire using the DRS has the benefit of seeing the action again and again and then coming to a decision, the on field umpire has to give his verdict on the basis of kust one look. Therefore the DRS must be made only an extra tool to strengthen the convictions of the on field umpires. It is in this context that the defiance and non acceptance of the DRS by the BCCI appear ridiculous. The DRS is the best possible way of eliminating inefficiency and bias. I hope the BCCI changes its stance soon.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 2, 2013, 13:38 GMT)

@Bobmartin: I am sure you know that BCCI played in Eng in 2011 with DRS as per the home baord's wishes. Their exp with DRS in that tour wasn't sweet. RD got some weird ones from DRS in that tour as well as one OUT of KP was over-turned even though DRS did not provide the required overwhelming evidence for it. BCCI moved from being anti-DRS to let's-try-DRS to assuage ppl like you. But when it can clearly see the new tool is failing to give the results promised why should it continue trying it?

I've noticed that so far you have not said a word on the tool called DRS. You are running around using terms like Democracies and Majority in your own wicked notion and have failed to so far come up with anything technical about DRS. Maybe you just don't know about the various DRS components and yet support DRS for some unknown reasons.

And oh, your original argument of majority gets beaten a 3rd time cos the majority need not be necessarily right. Lonely but BCCI is objective in being anti-DRS

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 2, 2013, 13:26 GMT)


Ref: "...I notice that you didn't answer the point I made about India's boycott threat ie blackmail.. It woukld be nice to know if you consider that to be an acceptable way to resolve a problem..." --- I hope you know how to search/read cos my reply @03:54.

And are ALL test playing except India are using DRS? SL-Pak series did not have it. BD-WI series too did not have it. Ind was no where involved in these 2. Thus 4+1=5 nations played tests without DRS. We have total 9 test nations (Zim is suspended I guess). 5/9 ie MAJORITY is playing Tests without DRS so off goes your severely restrictive usage of the words Democracy/Majority too.

And u just admitted u got no idea how and when was DRS discussed. You say "boards would have def discussed". Ha Ha, is that how you decide upon imp things, by assuming someone must have thought about it through n through? Still, how many were aware of the 2.5 mt lbw rule before it came out?

In a bilateral series, both teams have a say.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 2, 2013, 12:52 GMT)

@bobmartin: That really is a lame effort to add some extra leg to your original lame argument. Are you saying that the audience does not matter? Really? If that is so then why are you even here taking stands? You are not a player or an official I guess. You are not someone whose salary is directly (or even indirectly I think) related to cricket matches and the revenue they generate. Given that for you "people" means a certain section only and that you are not in that section why are you typing all this stuff then? If the opinion of the audience who are anti-DRS does not matter then how can you suddenly get in that pro-DRS clique and issue pro-DRS statements?

You see, your original argument was very weak, we destroyed it and then you tried to twist it to your case and we've again destroyed it. Try again --- this time try to say something on DRS per se. I asked u this a long time back but after that you never replied to me --- maybe you just couldn't :-)

Posted by bobmartin on (February 2, 2013, 12:43 GMT)

@ Harmony111... "And just how are you so sure about what the majority in this democracy or all these democracies wants? Can you cite your sources pls?" Simple logic is the answer... Perhaps it has escaped your notice that all the test playing nations except India are using DRS... That suggests to me (but please correct me if I'm wrong) that the majority have accepted it, because if they didn't want it, they have the freedom to do what India is doing..ie veto its use. " And when exactly were the pros/cons of DRS discussed at length?" Again.. simple logic applies..Do you think the various country's boards would have accepted DRS if they hadn't discussed it at length ? I notice that you didn't answer the point I made about India's boycott threat ie blackmail.. It woukld be nice to know if you consider that to be an acceptable way to resolve a problem.. And do you think that India has the right in principle to dictate playing conditions in the nation hosting their tours ?

Posted by brusselslion on (February 2, 2013, 12:27 GMT)

@gsingh7 on (February 01 2013, 21:31 PM GMT): There is, indeed, too much unreasoned BCCI bashing in this thread. However, you are guilty of the other extreme - blind devotion to all things BCCI (Indian).

With regard to DRS, you continuily state that it can be manipulated as though this was a statement of fact. How? I do not doubt the honesty of any international umpire, but I'd contend that there is a greater risk that they could be corrupted.

One can argue about the accuracy and cost-effectivness of technology but one advantage that it has over umpires is consistency. Unless humans, presented with the same set of conditions, technology will make the same decision every time. So, should we have a system based on human intervention (umpiring decisions) or one based on technology, similar to Tennis, where the umpire is effectivily reduced to a scorer? This comes down to personal preference i.e. an individual value judgement

Posted by bobmartin on (February 2, 2013, 12:10 GMT)

@ IndiaNumeroUno....Once again an anti twisting the facts to suit his case... The population figures don't come into the equation. The only people directly affected by DRS are those involved in the game.. since it's their reputations, averages and even salaries that would or could be affected by incorrect decisions. And the majority of those people are the ones that want it. If the laws of the of the game were framed on the whims of the majority of their supporters, India would never lose a game.

Posted by half_blood-prince on (February 2, 2013, 11:57 GMT)

surely pakistanis would be bashing drs by now..huh?

Posted by simpleguy2008 on (February 2, 2013, 11:42 GMT)

DRS has to be there in the test as well as in one days let the BCCI pull out of the series we can accept these rather than bad decision by the umpires.

Posted by screamingeagle on (February 2, 2013, 10:49 GMT)

Can the hotspotinventor have a look at the SA-PAK test dismissals and let us know how much more he can improve? Thanks.

Posted by pitch_curator on (February 2, 2013, 10:46 GMT)

Super performance by hot spot in the SA vs Pak test. lol

Posted by simpleguy2008 on (February 2, 2013, 9:51 GMT)

I request to the ICC let the BCCI boycott the series but make the UDRS mandatory for all

Posted by Engfasttrackwimp on (February 2, 2013, 9:04 GMT)

@bobmartin: The majority doesn't want DRS. Billion plus people are majority. ECB does not represent majority in ANY manner.

@nutcutlet: Please don't try to use old divide and rule tactics... those days have gone now.

DRS is a shambles as once again proved in the ongoing Pakistan vs SA test match. Lot more work needs to be done to bring this anywhere near international matches.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 2, 2013, 8:44 GMT)

@bobmartin: And just how are you so sure about what the majority in this democracy or all these democracies wants? Can you cite your sources pls? And when exactly were the pros/cons of DRS discussed at length? Forget discussions, do ppl even know what are the parameters under which DRS works and what are those optimum ranges? DRS was ALREADY in place when the pro-DRS ppl as well as anti-DRS ppl suddenly came to know about the 2.5 mt lbw rule huh.

In a day you had Finch+ABD+Faf issues. You call them discrepancies? Are discrepancies/anomalies/quirks meant to be frequent & regular & acceptable? If yes then what is Standard Behaviour?

And no, even if DRS is an overall improvement it is still not ok to use it if it has such grey issues. I assert that failure is ok but inexplicable behav isn't. You won't buy a car that gave you 50% better fuel eff. but had a tendency of sometimes changing gears on its own.

And once again, I ask you to talk of DRS per se and not about BCCI vs innovations.

Posted by Bonnie1976 on (February 2, 2013, 7:50 GMT)

The stand by India is only when they play not when other countries are playing bilateral series. We were at the receiving end when we played England recently, but if BCCI wants to continue its stance then it has to take the positives and negatives even when their are mistakes done by the umpires. Lets hope we have less problems when we face Australia.

Posted by karthik_raja on (February 2, 2013, 6:52 GMT)

Sensible ppl will find that BCCI is not against DRS(Decision review), bt only bothered about how its done. DRS without Hawkeye and Hotspot is the way to go. I mean, the NOT OUT decision of faint nick which ONLY Hotspot can detect is by no means a howler. And if you can get right decision for "inside edges", "not pitching in line" LBWs,(which doesn't need Hawkeye) you will have all howlers removed from decision making. Only bad decisions left are very marginal and can go either way(the umpire thinks). And thats why we have umpires in the center - to make decisions. Few more amendments can be like - No player is allowed to question umpire. Instead, the third umpire/match referee is given that authority - Obviously, they are not payed for sitting idle until some1 calls him. Frnds, How many of you accept that this kinda system will remove 99% of really bad decisions. Suggestions are welcome. TBH, I am not a big fan of BCCI. Bt, BCCI is almost right here.

Posted by   on (February 2, 2013, 6:27 GMT)

Weapons are destructive but we use it for our safety........ History of mankind has consistently demonstrated that new weapons are developed and used to attack others and to maintain a kind of supremacy over others. DRS may be a good technology but it still needs to be operated by humans , who are prone to errors. While the in-field umpire errors are easily seen and spotted, deliberate errors made by DRS will never see the daylight and will remain under tight control of its operator.

Posted by Cricket_Fan_And_Analyst on (February 2, 2013, 5:51 GMT)

Ridiculous arguments. DRS is not full proof, so India doesn't want to use it. You like it you use it. What's your problem in this ? In any case ICC is not paying for DRS home boards are. So, if both boards agree they can use DRS in a series. DRS is also mandatory in all ICC events. India won the world cup fair and square where DRS was in place , so don't tell me that India is afraid of DRS.

Posted by sarathy_m2 on (February 2, 2013, 5:16 GMT)

Technology is manipulative, so we haven't implemented any technology supported services in any state/federal administrations too. How can we accept in sport? I Love BCCI.

Posted by simpleguy2008 on (February 2, 2013, 4:41 GMT)

It will be great for the cricket if india pull out of the series because i want the DRS system to be implemented and if Mr Srinivasan has the guts then he should do that pulling out of the series but the ICC shouldn't stop using the DRS issue it has to be implemented let the Indian board pull out of the series.

Posted by crickketlover on (February 2, 2013, 4:13 GMT)

Why can't the umpires be trained using simulators just like pilots are trained. Elimate DRS and better train the umpires - then leave it to the umpires to make the decision.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 2, 2013, 3:54 GMT)


Ref: "....A boycott threat is not democracy..it's blackmail....". If you say this then why do some of the pro-DRS ppl talk of boycotting BCCI & banning it?

Posted by gyusuf6 on (February 2, 2013, 3:43 GMT)

@Posted by pitch_curator on (February 01 2013, 07:19 AM GMT)ok With your argument's sake what about my opinion that i like DRS and I'm the home team. BCCI does it to every visiting team and all visiting teams accept BCCI's demand. Do you see my point. I respect BCCI's views of not accepting DRS in their home matches and that is fine with me as long as BCCI do the same with others when BCCI visit them and not threaten to pull out. And that is my friend called 'Bullying" in my book.

Posted by jaguar7777 on (February 2, 2013, 3:32 GMT)

the drs technology in my opinion is more acccurate than what the best umpires have to offer. instead of just 2 reviews allow 4 or even 5. the idea to use technology is to eliminate human errors and to get more accurate desisions. in the recent past india were at the receiving end .more than the opposition by not opting for drs review. i am sure ego is playing a huge part in india's objection.

Posted by Chris_P on (February 2, 2013, 2:53 GMT)

@bobmartin. Amen to your post re: DRS. You can also add that all the umpires on the elite panel also want it, that is to say the most qualified officials in the game want it! But, some organization wants to be the bully boy, take their bat & ball & go home. Democracy, yes, a word that also applies to the 21st century, perhaps one day we will be joined by everyone in it. I can live with India not wanting it for their home series, but to order other countries not to have it? Think about it guys, think real hard & ask yourselves what this really means.

Posted by   on (February 2, 2013, 2:49 GMT)

To all Indians who are in favor of Sriji and BCCI decision to block DRS.. India should go for a ban on technology help.. no referrals for run-outs, no balls.. no 3rd umpires .. just plain old system of 2 on-field umpires! All electronic display boards across Indian venues be dismantled. This should be perfectly in-line with what BCCI wants!!

Posted by CricketChat on (February 2, 2013, 1:53 GMT)

I hope rest of ICC members take a stance and boycott tours with Ind if they refuse DRS and/or hotspot. Modern cricket standards and fans deserve it.

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (February 2, 2013, 0:33 GMT)

I quite enjoyed comment by Bobmartin. He sums up the issue well. There is no denying that DRS is not perfect. It is a man made technology and it never will be 100% accurate. But if umpires out there and every other team in cricket world is screaming for DRS then surely there is a merit to test DRS. BCCI's stance has never been any clear. They never suggest alternatives or details of their concerns. This latest threat is a blackmailing and it is an utter shame than except ECB no other board has guts to stand up to this bulley.If you see last two ODI series in India.Both Pak and England suffered with a lot of poor decisions ( mostly by Indian umpires).Similarly a few decisions also went against India but BCCi is aware that in tight situations Indian umpires will always favour India and it seems to be working well for them.BCCI is doing disservice to Indian players and fans as every Indian win feels a cheat!A Team that has lost 10 of last 13 test matches is not even worthy of test status!

Posted by Dabepav on (February 2, 2013, 0:14 GMT)

@bobmartin: just for u so never again champion drs or bad mouth bcci for all its short-comings. West Indies v/s India in West Indies, where DRS was used. Think 2010-11. During the appeal the third umpire reviewed a ball which was bowled few overs earlier to mislead the decision. If u want I will post u the video. So, a good use of technology or a good way to manipulate. (Cheat). Proof is in the pudding not ur chest thumping.

Posted by MrPud on (February 1, 2013, 23:31 GMT)

If India wish to withdraw from international cricket, let them. We'll see who needs each other more in time. They are in danger of disappearing up their own backsides in a cloud of self-importance at the moment. Neutral umpires were introduced to stop home town decisions which India were not the only culprit but probably the worst. There are no Indian umpires on the Elite panel at the moment and, just maybe, introducing this technology could assist in umpire training to bring some to elite standards.

Posted by egoldie on (February 1, 2013, 22:18 GMT)

Fact that you need different array of products......

Hot Spot , Real-Time-Snicko....... latest cameras.

Says a lot!!!!!!!!!

Posted by bobmartin on (February 1, 2013, 22:15 GMT)

@ Harmony111 ..Once again you forget several principles... Democracy is working to what the majority want.. and the majority want DRS.. A boycott threat is not democracy..it's blackmail.. which in most reasonable and fair-minded societies is an anathema.. That's what the argument centres on.. The pros and cons of the system have been argued ad nauseum.. and whether you like it or not, all the test playing nations with the exception of India have accepted it.. with all it's quirks and even the odd discrepancy... Ask yourself why this is..Because for whatever faults it may have, DRS is an improvement on the old system. That is sufficient in itself for it's introduction. Or we can take the "ostrich head in the sand" approach of the BCCI and go back those times when all improvements were looked upon as a curse on humanity.. Welcome to the modern world... if it's run by people like the BCCI.. heaven help us all.

Posted by JACK.SPARROW on (February 1, 2013, 22:05 GMT)

At this moment we need two persons. 1. scientist Isaac newton 2. technologist steve jobs. Steve jobs would provide technology and Newton would give solution to technological physics. Alas! ironically both are dead! so there is no solution to this disputed things.LOL

Posted by JACK.SPARROW on (February 1, 2013, 21:51 GMT)

cricket is such a game in which there is no 100% certainty of anything. neither human nor the technology has 100% accuracy. If there is no DRS technology , let the physicists officiate match. They can understand which way the ball travels or if the ball going to hit the stump or going high above the stump or missing leg.But the fact is that why do you ignore something that assists you greater than harms you less? see,we all know weapons are destructive but still we use it for our safety.

Posted by mngc on (February 1, 2013, 21:35 GMT)

The human eye and brain CANNOT match the technology. The eye and brain combination takes frames at 12 per sec whilst the technology can take at 400 frames per sec. In the WI vs England series IN ONLY 20% of reviews were the umpires correct whilst 40% were wrong. The rest were on field decisions. This gap is too wide. In the recent Caribbean T20 the results were there for everyone to see. Run outs were down to 3 inches between frames and that was good enough. I propose the following changes to its use. 1. Increase the number of reviews by 3. 2. For losing reviews in these 3 charge 5%, 10% and 20 % of the match fee so teams would be hit in the pocket and would not call for it frivolously. 4. Remove the "On Field Decision" and make all partial stump hits not out consistently. There is a big financial difference between a win or loss, retaining a place or dropped. Good decisions make the game better.

Posted by gsingh7 on (February 1, 2013, 21:31 GMT)

@harmony --- so true. this mindless bashing of bcci reveals more of their intellectual thinking than anything. bcci knows its popularity in world and with monetary strentgh they are feared by other boards , so they have my way or highway attitude which i think is well deserved. no one explains why bcci should take drs at such high cost and also take risk of manipulation, all these posters seem to have iq equal to ecb chairman who put forward such proposal which no board took seriously and discarded on first sight, either u present it fully or u dont present at all.

Posted by ankit_barry on (February 1, 2013, 21:11 GMT)

@SIR LORD HotSpotInventor : Did u watch the match between South Africa & Pakistan? Care to explain what went wrong with the COLD SPOT three times. Quick, blame it on BCCI, they bribed the camera men, wind was a problem, light photons were the issue, bats had different edges. Life is a lot more easier when ur not responsible for actions.

Posted by bobmartin on (February 1, 2013, 21:11 GMT)

There are several things that are blatantly obvious in all the anti-DRS comments..The most obvious, is that there is not a single shred of evidence presented which proves that, when it is called upon, DRS is less effective in producing the correct decision than the human. All this despite the fact that there is more than enough evidence that the human does, in more than acceptable numbers, produce flawed decisions. Those anti's simply quote the BCCI mantra.. like sheep following the leader. One can only assume from their comments that either a) they are incapable of thinking for themselves and drawing a reasonable conclusion from the evidence of their own eyes (assuming they even watch, much less understand, the game and it's Laws) or b) they are stuck in a time warp where any modern innovation, regardless of its efficacy, is viewed with suspicion.

Posted by NAZMO-CRICKFANN on (February 1, 2013, 20:57 GMT)

let them go . ICC must cut india loose. lets them wrap themselvese up in their own misery

Posted by hemani52 on (February 1, 2013, 20:37 GMT)

I dont know why they are scared of using DRS, no system, no technology is 100% perfect, how would we know that it is not perfect if we dont use it, cricket boards have to start some where or some how let them not use if they have the reservation other boards can start the experiment. They are trying to BULLY other boards with their power of money.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 1, 2013, 20:35 GMT)

300+ comments so far and hardly anyone from the Pro-DRS lobby has put forward any substantial argument that focuses on DRS and its components per se. A large no of these comments are doing what comes naturally to their authors - BCCI-bashing for just about everything. The rest simply replace DRS with "innovation" and then say Look, BCCI is anti-innovation and then happily they too start BCCI-bashing.

One keeps asking just what is so special about DRS that it and only it can be used to improve decision-making, why can't other cheaper alternatives be used - no answer comes for it. When one asks about explaining today's Finch/ABD/Faf related anomalies - no answers comes for it too.

Is it any wonder that with ppl so much unreasonable like here BCCI is not even interested in talking to or pay heed to whatever they say?

Posted by Rahulbose on (February 1, 2013, 20:17 GMT)

@ HotSpotInventor, how much you want to bet that computer hackers can't get at your hotspot system? These days even the US govt systems get compromised. Adding/hiding a white spot on a black and white video that looks like a knick is very easy to do image processing, a bookie could easily pay off some operator to do that. You mention that in last 18 months Hotspot has been greatly improved, so I assume you admit that before that you were peddling a faulty product?

Posted by The_Heavy_Ball on (February 1, 2013, 20:07 GMT)

There's definitely an elephant in the room that most people are conveniently ignoring here. Just ask yourself - what motivates the BCCI? First and foremost it's money; cricket comes a distant second. Cricket is useful inasmuch as it makes the money that the BCCI is really interested in. So if we 'follow the money' where does it lead us? It leads us to the view that because the BCCI receives no financial advantage or gain from DRS, and because DRS is a not insubstantial direct cost to the BCCI, that the BCCi is opposed to it. The 'primacy of the umpires' flim-flam is just a way to justify its stance while taking the alleged moral high ground. In practice, BCCI is fuming because DRS is not Indian technology and cannot make any money out of it, despite its global cricket clout. Worse still, it actually has to pay for it. Outrageous! You can rest assured that were DRS Indian technology, its use would be mandated in every international game, and cost of lease would be twice as high as high.

Posted by bobmartin on (February 1, 2013, 19:58 GMT)

When you climb aboard an aircraft these days, the pilot has pre-programmed a computer with the data to get the aircraft and you safely from A to Z.... Once airborne, the pilot will switch to auto pilot and a computer will operate controls to follow the flight plan contained in anothercomputer. The air traffic controllers have computers to tell them where the aircraft are, how close they might be to each other, etc etc.. Even in really bad weather, some airports have an auto-land system... controlled by...Yes.. you've guessed it.. a computer. Now occasionally aircraft crash...but as yet, I only know of one that could be blamed on a computer problem..But an awful lot can be blamed on human error.... So if millions of people every day depend for their lives on computer technology, is it expecting too much for a cricketer to depend on one to correct a wrong decision made by a human ?

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 1, 2013, 19:58 GMT)

@Nutcutlet: That 18:38 comment was sent a long time back, it took some time in getting published, pls link it to your 20:43 comment.

As for your 18:32 comment, you again missed the point. My 18:38 comment already talks of DRS being supplementary and not complementary. In a diagnosis case, the doctor NEEDS Radiotherapy related tools to arrive at a conclusion, TILL THEN HE IS YET TO FINALIZE his opinion. In case of cricket, the umpire FIRST FINALIZES his decision and LATER someone asks for a review. Btw, wud you trust a dept that behaves inexplicably at times but charged humongously?

Then you go on further to do deliberate twisting of argument and want to paint BCCI as anti-technology when in fact BCCI is only anti-DRS. Why this straw man?

I had asked you to show me "the number of points" made in fav of DRS except the BCCI-shud-embrace-innovation one. You repeated just that, not much else was there@18:32.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 1, 2013, 19:44 GMT)

@Nutcutlet: That 18:38 comment was sent a long time back, it took some time in getting published, pls link it to your 20:43 comment.

As for your 18:32 comment, you again missed the point. My 18:38 comment already talks of DRS being supplementary and not complementary. In a diagnosis case, the doctor NEEDS Radiotherapy related tools to arrive at a conclusion, TILL THEN HE IS YET TO FINALIZE his opinion. In case of cricket, the umpire FIRST FINALIZES his decision and LATER someone asks for a review. Btw, wud you trust a dept that behaves inexplicably at times but charged humongously?

Then you go on further to do deliberate twisting of argument and want to paint BCCI as anti-technology when in fact BCCI is only anti-DRS. Why this straw man?

I had asked you to show me "the number of points" made in fav of DRS except the BCCI-shud-embrace-innovation one. You repeated just that, not much else was there@18:32

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 1, 2013, 19:41 GMT)

@Nutcutlet: That 18:38 comment was sent a long time back, it took some time in getting published, pls link it to your 20:43 comment.

As for your 18:32 comment, you again missed the point. My 18:38 comment already talks of DRS being supplementary and not complementary. In a diagnosis case, the doctor NEEDS Radiotherapy related tools to arrive at a conclusion, TILL THEN HE IS YET TO FINALIZE his opinion. In case of cricket, the umpire FIRST FINALIZES his decision and LATER someone asks for a review. Btw, wud you trust a dept that behaves inexplicably at times but charged humongously?

Then you go on further to do deliberate twisting of argument and want to paint BCCI as anti-technology when in fact BCCI is only anti-DRS. Why this straw man?

I had asked you to show me "the number of points" made in fav of DRS except the BCCI-shud-embrace-innovation one. You repeated just that, not much else was there@18:32.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 1, 2013, 19:06 GMT)

@Nutcutlet-20:43 pm: I do see your PoV but it seems misplaced to me. We already have agents for taking decisions in a match viz the on-filed umpires + the 3rd umpire + match referee. DRS is meant to be a supplementary tool and not as a replacement and not even as a complementary tool. So your attempt to say DRS IS THE SEAT-BELT doesn't work, cos the current decision making process is already doing that job of taking decisions and DRS is supposed to improve it further.

The key question is, what sort of exceptions/anomalies does DRS 'often' display? Firstly, for a system so expensive these anomalies should be as few as possible and at least not be glaring ones. 2ndly, are there cheaper alternatives to DRS that would allow us identical/similar improvements in decision-making?

I know no tool is perfect but if on your constant nag I decide to use a new expensive state-of-art seat-belt but keep facing issues each time I buckle it, wud u take the blame?

Imagine DRS anomalies in a WC Final

Posted by anita1_cric on (February 1, 2013, 19:01 GMT)

Even though being a beggar country India ..but has money power in cricket....so think they can dance too much ......ICC have backbone and screw indai from cricket status ..........

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 1, 2013, 18:38 GMT)

@Nutcutlet: I do see your PoV but it seems misplaced to me. We already have agents for taking decisions in a match viz the on-filed umpires + the 3rd umpire + match referee. DRS is meant to be a supplementary tool and not as a replacement and not even as a complementary tool. So your attempt to say DRS IS THE SEAT-BELT doesn't work, cos the current decision making process is already doing that job of taking decisions and DRS is supposed to improve it further.

The key question is, what sort of exceptions/anomalies does DRS 'often' display? Firstly, for a system so expensive these anomalies should be as few as possible and at least not be glaring ones. 2ndly, are there cheaper alternatives to DRS that would allow us identical/similar improvements in decision-making?

I know no tool is perfect but if on your constant nag I decide to use a new expensive state-of-art seat-belt but keep facing issues each time I buckle it, would u take the blame?

Imagine DRS anomalies in a WC Final !!!

Posted by Nutcutlet on (February 1, 2013, 18:32 GMT)

@Harmony111: I know you like analogies (( I loved the seat belt one - see above!) so here's one of my own. A man goes to the doctor, unsure of what he's suffering from. After examination, the doc says, 'I'm just not sure. you could be suffering from X. Tell you what, I'll REFER you to the radiography (that's technology, right?) dept at the local hospital. They may not come up with anything, but they may see something that I've missed. I'm just not sure, so that would be the WISEST course of action, in my professional opinion.' Now, of course, if you belong to the BCCI, you may have absolute faith in the doc (or the local faith healer, come to that) - in which case your answer would be,'No, don't bother with the technology. I don't believe in it.' 'OK,' replies doc, but I don't think your sceptism is justified.' Let us face it, technology is used for diagnosis & the world is overwhemingly pleased that this is the 21st C in this respect, but some prefer the Good Old Days. Do you?

Posted by thebrownie on (February 1, 2013, 18:00 GMT)

Please BCCI, pull out of all the bilateral series, so that I dont have to suffer the misery of the Indian team losing over and over again. All the Indian players can then play the IPL, which I can barely stand, and haven't watched a single game. I think it is a win-win situation.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 17:49 GMT)

Well done BCCI. Keep up the good work.

Posted by rajpan on (February 1, 2013, 17:38 GMT)

What is fair and just for one batsman or one bowler should be the same for 10 others !! Only 2 calls per inning dosn't satisfy any logic. Make it universal regardless of the time loss. If you want it absolutely fair and just, why be afraid of time loss? Except this point, I am all for technology aid even though it is only an improvement and not perfect. In its present form, BCCI is right to block it.

Posted by Biggus on (February 1, 2013, 17:30 GMT)

@ Odeti-You're kidding yourself with your victim stance vis-a-vis poor decisions received from Anglo umpires in the past. For every poor decision an Indian got from an Anglo umpire the Indian umpires gave at least one back. Ian Redpath, one of the mildest men one could meet tells a story of an umpire on a tour of India who actually joined in the appeal against him, then recomposed himself and raised his finger. Before you are consumed with indignation over this it might be well to ask oneself "Why has India produced so few umpires who could qualify for the elite panel?" Countries with less than a fiftieth of the Indian population have produced ten or twenty times the number of elite umpires. Why is this?

Posted by CricketFundas on (February 1, 2013, 17:26 GMT)

I think the BCCI really needs to look for a middle ground instead of whining about the DRS being inaccurate. Mr. Srinivasan needs to realize that the DRS system is going to be *more* accurate than just depending on Umpires. To threaten to pull out of a series is just bullying tactics, and shows immaturity in the person making that threat. I think BCCI needs to take a broader view on improving world cricket, instead of the myopic one they have one.

Posted by bobmartin on (February 1, 2013, 17:21 GMT)

Posted by sp_az on (February 01 2013, 16:35 PM GMT)

@HotSpotInventor : "You say the data from the camera is stored on the computer and that gets displayed later when needed. How do you protect the integrity of the data on the computer ? Is the computer connected to any sort of network at all ? Even if it is not how is the computer physically protected in storage, during use or during transport so that no one can reprogram/modify the DRS image capture/storage/display process ? Your statement about how the camera works might being formative but is irrelevant when it comes to arguing the integrity of DRS." All totally irrelevent... What would be the point of changing anything 1) The decision had been made at the time it happened and won't be altered. 2) The result of the decision is already in the record of the match, ie the official scorebook, so what would anyone gain by changing what is recorded on the computer.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (February 1, 2013, 17:19 GMT)

They don't accept DRS, they don't let visiting broadcasters in, and they hold the ICC in the palms of their hands...and the joke is on them as their policies fail to not backfire. The lack of DRS in the recent IvE series showed a) India were the losers in the DRS stakes as their players had no comeback when they needed it most, and b)that umpires need the help of DRS as even Aleem Dar looked an idiot in Mumbai, and Dharmasena quite frankly is not fit to umpire a charity match let alone Tests.The BCCI need to grow up particularly as their team is going down the rankings and there seems little way back. Yesterdays dictators become tomorrows beggers. QED.

Posted by china_cricket on (February 1, 2013, 17:16 GMT)

@ HotSpotInventor

this idea of manipulation of digital data is one of the worst excuses i have ever heard. It's primary school. If you're up against that kind of mentality - which seems to hold sway with boards with lots of IPL players - the progress of the game is doomed.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 1, 2013, 17:06 GMT)

The focus has shifted from improving decision-making to defending DRS. Why are we doing it? Don't we know that (a myth of course) NASA spent gallons of dollars to invent a pen that would work in zero-gravity in orbit and in any angle/position while the Russians simply chose to use a pencil? Are we focusing on the problem or are we already starting with a solution and limiting ourselves to that only?

How do ppl know a certain decision was right/wrong when there is no DRS? Answer: Replays+Slo-mo cameras+lots of common sense. So see, DRS isn't really needed to improve decision making. BCCI had a problem with decisions but it doesn't mean that one should push for a solution that would be guzzle money. If I am hungry and ask for food would you give me some normal meal or would you ask me to go to Alaska and hunt the best salmon for the best protein diet?

@Nutcutlet: Auto-pat eh? Can you remind about "the number of points" made in favour of DRS? All I hear is it is innovation - that's all.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 1, 2013, 16:56 GMT)

@Umbra: I take strong exception to your comment where you indicate that corruption, if any, in cricket's official boards is arising from BCCI presence. You really should watch your words here.

@Others: The whole issue should be about how effective/reliable DRS is. Instead, ppl turn it to whether BCCI is innovation-friendly or whether we should embrace innovation or not. That is hardly the point. The point here is, you had/have a problem, someone came up with a tool to solve it but unfortunately it is def. outrageously expensive and no more than 3-4 boards can afford it. Moreover, the tool has a lot of *s next to it and after multiple tries 1 board finds plenty of issues in that tool. It points them out and then the rest get on that board accusing it of being rigid and killing cricket off. Reminds me of that famous 5 monkeys+ladder experiment.

Has DRS been peer-reviewed? Where is the report? Limits aren't the problem - unexplained behav is the problem for eg Finch/ABD/Faf today.

Posted by Anwaruzz on (February 1, 2013, 16:47 GMT)

My reply to HotSpotInventor (above). Just watched the first day of PAK-RSA series. The hot-spot missed it thrice with two NOT OUTS and one so obvious so OUT. I do not think it is nonsense that the tech cannot be manipulated. The BATTERS are tapeing up their BATS hence minor nicks are not showing !!!

Posted by sp_az on (February 1, 2013, 16:35 GMT)

@HotSpotInventor : You say the data from the camera is stored on the computer and that gets displayed later when needed. How do you protect the integrity of the data on the computer ? Is the computer connected to any sort of network at all ? Even if it is not how is the computer physically protected in storage, during use or during transport so that no one can reprogram/modify the DRS image capture/storage/display process ? Your statement about how the camera works might being formative but is irrelevant when it comes to arguing the integrity of DRS.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (February 1, 2013, 16:29 GMT)

There are three distinct camps on this contentious & important subject: those who are non-Indian who make a number of points in favour of the use of technology &/or DRS; those who are Indian & think that the BCCI operates in the best interests of the game & therefore supports their board's 'anti' stance because its patriotic to do so, and then there are those Indians who are appalled & embarrassed by their board's negativity & tactics. to the first group, I say: your points are valid, intelligent & show your depth of understanding of the issues surrounding the use of technology; to the second group, I say you are deluding yourselves as there are no respectable arguments left to support your contentions & to the third group (quite sizeable, BTW) I say, you are true fans of the game & you have every sympathy from the rest of us. You deserve so much better than the board you've got & one day there will be a restoration of good sense in the BCCI. We must hope that it is not long delayed.

Posted by CanuckCricket on (February 1, 2013, 16:24 GMT)

Hard to understand why the BCCI is so ignorant. In 2008, India created a major international incident after their Sydney test match. DRS came about after the ugly spectacle, after their crying whining and most other boards in Asia supported India in Australia in 2008 and now they want the system that prevents such incidents quashed?

Posted by Odeti on (February 1, 2013, 16:21 GMT)

lol...Love it when BCCI can single handedly oppose a proposal from all other countries. But again its a right time to start using technology and improve it over time. The umpiring cant be improved over time as its human and can be worn put but the technology can only become good over time. Understand the issue India had with Srilanka during the first use, as India were at receiving end, but come on India benefited with it during World Cup. I know things were pretty bad for Indian board and team with the treatment from English and other white nations match referees until early 2000's, its a right time to use the power of BCCI but not misuse it to an extent where an Indian fan can feel this is bad for game.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 1, 2013, 16:18 GMT)

@158notout: My dear will you please read the 2nd line and the last line of that very comment to see the point I made there? It was about other boards having their way anyhow and then blaming BCCI when it takes a stand accusing it of being rigid and obstructive.

Nice that you talk of SPIRIT. Did Colly show that SPIRIT to NZ in an ODI where a collision took place? Did Strauss show spirit to Smith when he needed a runner in 2009? Did Eng show spirit to Martin Crowe in a test when he needed a runner in 90s? Did Trott show any spirit in claiming an obvious fake catch in the recent Ind-Eng test series? Did Trott show any spirit in not hitting an obviously mis-bowled ball by Jadeja to boundary? Even off-field, did Vaughan show any spirit when he accused VVS of using Vaseline to make his bat hotspot-proof?

My dear, why do you suddenly invoke spirit when an Eng player receives but talk of strictly-by-rules when someone else needs a nice gesture?

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 16:16 GMT)

let india pull out and play by themselves,they should not be allowed to hold the rest of the cricketing world hostage. the cricketing fraternity is much,much bigger than india.

Posted by Umbra on (February 1, 2013, 16:05 GMT)

we have a delusionist in screamingeagle here; and with an argument that doesn't impress very much, I must say. Please don't make the mistake of believing that the world, cricket or otherwise, revolves around your little country. There will certainly be far less corruption in the official boards.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 1, 2013, 16:03 GMT)

@Pitch_Curator: Fab reply. Wow.

@Ameeega: You can't understand simplest of analogies?

Firstly, its not that there are no seat-belts i.e decision making process in cricket. There are field umpires + 3rd umpire + benefit of replays + slo-mo cameras + snicko + zoom in features. It wasn't about no seat-belt vs seat-belt, it was about bad seat-belt vs supposedly top-class seat-belt (with lots of *s).

Secondly, it is be further seen whether the deaths happened due to flaws in the seat-belt design or due to other reasons - BCCI isn't saying that they blame DRS for anything that goes wrong in a cricket match- recent Sydney fiasco for eg.

Thirdly, BCCI only says no seat-belt for them, it is not forcing others to not use them. BCCI in fact does relent and itself uses the seat-belt in ICC tournaments. In series where India is not involved other boards are free to use seat-belts. Why should BCCI allow the other board to use an obvious defective tool in a 2 seat car?

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 16:02 GMT)

@ anilkp You forgot one very important factor; - Namely how many right decisions has DRS reversed into a wrong decision.

Posted by champions_of_PAKISTAN on (February 1, 2013, 15:59 GMT)

people say DRS in not 100% perfect.. let me tell these guys there is not any thing that is 100% Perfect.. Humains always try to build things that facilitates us..

Posted by screamingeagle on (February 1, 2013, 15:43 GMT)

Oh yes, make DRS compulsory. It has such a superb record when it has been implemented. Absolutely an improvement in all ways, right? Never mind if there were a few bad decisions along the way, it is in the interest of the game. So what is wrong in using the umps, they make a few mistakes, it can also be part of the game. If DRS is not working as brilliantly as it is touted to be, do not use it. And yes, ban India too, that will ensure there is no cricket to implement DRS anyway.

Posted by bobmartin on (February 1, 2013, 15:26 GMT)

When will some people get it into their heads, this issue is not purely about being for or against DRS... It's about fairness and consistency. The way the situation is at present, test matches are being played under two different playing conditions.. Those not involving India, with DRS, all those involving India, without DRS. Surely the principle should be that ALL matches will be played under the same playing conditions. , The ICC should grasp the bull by the horns and either insist the game be played with or without DRS...No exceptions... either use it or ditch it. The current situation is a bag of worms.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 15:12 GMT)

There is a featured comment from some one who calls himself, the HotSpotInventor. Very interesting. He made himself sound like the sole defender of all DRS technologies -- that too as an inventor of at least two of those!

I posted a comment a while ago, mentioning the financial interests of two well known (but different & competing) sports broadcasters from Australia. I forgot to mention that while the 'inventor' of Halk-Eye is British, the inventor of Hot-Spot is a Frenchman. And, every one knows that France has no interest in Cricket at all.

Hot-spot is also an off-shoot from the defence research going on for decades on night/thermal vision. It is nother case of a positive spin-off from military research for civilian use.

Posted by fguy on (February 1, 2013, 15:08 GMT)

and i'd love to see any cricket board even talk of banning india let alone doing it. they know if they ban india they're the ones whose existence will be in danger as their coffers dry up. in that case most of the world's talent will just become mercs & play only ipl.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 15:05 GMT)

The whole world (other cricket boards) wants DRS but we can't have it cuz India, the Big Bro., doesn't want it. That is just it!! How weirdly absurd it sounds!I am just dumbfounded and speechless!! Wish all other countries would close their doors to India coming to play there. That would serve them right!!

Posted by kc69 on (February 1, 2013, 14:25 GMT)

I believe BCCI have their domination on the world of cricket but this is now becoming baseless day by day.Why not use a technology which helps the game rather than giving excuses.BCCI needs to understand that nothing in this world is perfect and DRS will atleast helps cricket in some way.If it wants to advocate the "Pure" format of cricket then not to use it for test cricket but limited overs format will get much fair with the use of DRS.

Posted by safzulu62 on (February 1, 2013, 14:23 GMT)

If the BCCI want to remove DRS because it "works against" India then CSA should have Duckworth-Lewis removed from the game as it "works against" South Africa. DRS is there to ensure that a decision is made as accurately as possible, not to discriminate against a certain team.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 14:22 GMT)

The whole argument for DRS though is just to remove the 'howler' - i.e. thick inside edges on to pad or balls bouncing outidie leg being given out lbw, for example.

You'd think it would be welcomed by the Indians. I think it will take a major decision to go against them to get a reversal of their current stance though.

Posted by Biggus on (February 1, 2013, 14:17 GMT)

Frankly I've had enough of India and the BCCI. If we never played them again that would suit me just fine.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 14:04 GMT)

Australia's Nine Network has financial interests in Hot Spot technology. Sky Sports of Australia has interests in Snicko. The British comapny who used to own Halk Eye had been bought over by Sony , sometime in 2011. So, it is not right to blame ECB head, that he is pushing the interests of corporates from his country. I am an Indian, not an Emnglishman. Irrespective of your nationality, you have to be fair.

Posted by YS_USA on (February 1, 2013, 13:43 GMT)

Other countries cannot have India pull out of their foregin tours since the revenue of other countries doubles up whenever India tours other countries.

Posted by swat1999 on (February 1, 2013, 13:40 GMT)

Seems Indians are very good in appeal and very much depends on old style poor umpiring. ICC have to understand them how important DRS system for Test match ad ODI's Remember a simple umpiring mastake may ruin a cricketrs carrier

Posted by 158notout on (February 1, 2013, 13:15 GMT)

Harmony - "When Ian Bell is given run out for absolutely valid reasons and the Eng coach and captain had no business in even making a request to MSD for withdrawing their appeal, they go to their dressing room and do that."

What ON EARTH does this have to do with DRS? Bell was out by the laws of the game. Agreed. But the way he was dismissed was in total contravention of the spirit of cricket. Every single member of the India team dispalyed body language that suggested it was a boundary. If you have actualyl seen/heard it you will notice the absoulte thunder of boo's they receive. Considering English crowds are not partisan like those in India and do applaud both teams this should be seen as very strong evidence that in the end the correct decision prevailed. if you cannot see the difference between this and the DRS discussion which is basically BCCI don't want it so they get their own way then perhaps you should stop and think before posting again. Ridiculous.

Posted by agarkarno1 on (February 1, 2013, 12:10 GMT)

I am sure the Indian board wouldnt have opposed DRS in 90s. Now they have got money and power and just they want to show it to the world to prove their dominance. When the third umpire system was established with the help of technology, there is no surity that a decision is 100 percent accurate. We have seen wrong decisions made by third umpire or because of lack of cameras in close runouts and in catches. But we have accepted the third umpire system. Now the Indian board is fighting like only for India the unfavourable decisions owuld be given and for the opposite teams the favourable decisions would be given, That is not the case to be. Technology is going to be followed uniformally.

Posted by challagalla on (February 1, 2013, 11:04 GMT)

I can understand India refusing to have DRS in India but why bully the host nations into not having DRS? Ridiculous stand by BCCI and yet again exposes us Indians to allegations of being regressive. They loudest nosie is from the Indian journalists, commentators and cricinfo readers when a wrong decision against India is given and yet I do not see a move to adopt the one clear mechanism available to remedy the situation. DRS may not be 100% perfect but surely it should be used if it gives 99% accurate results. The argument by the BCCI president that DRS can be manipulated is ridiculous and laughable. I would only remind the BCCI president that the umpires can also be manipulated to give favourable decisions. They are after all only human beings. The real reason I suspect why BCCI is reluctant to use DRS is mainly because the Indian players have time and again demonstrated a comical lack of tactical nous in using DRS. Train the players in effective usage of DRS , Mr. Srinivasan.

Posted by A_Yorkshire_Lad on (February 1, 2013, 10:55 GMT)

@fguy ( 10.19 AM GMT ) , fair enough mate but just remember one thing ; without colonial rule , good or bad , YOU wouldn't be on here communicating in English about a game that you wouldn't even be playing ! Cheers !

Posted by eggyroe on (February 1, 2013, 10:45 GMT)

As I have stated before, I personally am not in favour of DRS, but this is the way forward at the moment.If one team continually veto the use use of DRS then they should have the courage of their convictions and resign from the I.C.C..They can then play IPL as much as they like.

Posted by ARad on (February 1, 2013, 10:37 GMT)

@Gupta.Ankur: For every (human) error that arises from using DRS, how many human errors are corrected by DRS? There are accidents everyday but does that stop any reasonable person from travelling? If BCCI thinks that CHERRYPICKING data and concentrating only on the 'bad' data is prudent, BCCI should immediately cancel all tours because traveling is dangerous... The simple fact: DRS (which may still require a few tweaks) is an IMPROVEMENT and even if it isn't 100% mistake-proof, it is still an excellent solution whose time has arrived.

Posted by fguy on (February 1, 2013, 10:19 GMT)

@ davidpk on (January 31 2013, 16:56 PM GMT) "today i am pleased to be called a pom and my country did us proud.as we do in most things that are good and proper." yes, just like the centuries of "good & proper" colonial rule

Posted by fguy on (February 1, 2013, 10:15 GMT)

even though i'm not the biggest fan of the way the bcci functions i just love the fact that after decades of Aus & Eng control the balance of power has shifted. of course none of the people here criticising the bcci for wielding too much power now would've made even a squeak then i can bet. also isnt it ironical that the fans pushing for DRS are the ones who talk about the "purity" of test cricket. well the purest cricket then is one where the umpires rule as it has been since cricket began.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (February 1, 2013, 10:12 GMT)

The host nation prepares the pitches to be played on so why shouldn't they decide whether DRS is to be used? All there posters rejecting DRS on the grounds on manipulation. What do you call not allowing England to face spinners in their warm ups and preparing rank turners and ultra low slow pitches despite these amateurish efforts backfiring on them?

Posted by cricmatters on (February 1, 2013, 10:02 GMT)

DRS has not removed the bad decisions. Even in the series played between countries opting for DRS, we continue to see incorrect decisions being made. We need a complete rethink on DRS and it should not be shoved down the throat of countries or boards who do not want to use it. BCCI is right in taking a stand and unless we find the right way of implementing DRS, host countries should be allowed to choose. Amen

Posted by Tigg on (February 1, 2013, 9:52 GMT)

Is it really that India just don't want to play tests in places like England, Australia, South Africa where DRS or no, they will just get stomped flat.

I say let them pull out. We'll see how they feel about missing every major ICC limited overs tournament.

DRS does what it set out to do. Correct howlers. A few batsmen let there ego get in the way and waste reviews but that is unavoidable. It works. Get over it. The statistical analysis has been done.

Posted by 68704 on (February 1, 2013, 9:50 GMT)

I think India is being obstinate and throwing its weight around.The India England series saw some appalling umpiring. What the DRS shows up is real blunders like inside edge lbws, balls pitched outside the leg stump, faint edges... Technology aids the umpires, never mind the fact that it may never be perfect. There are so many things that are imperfect in life, including the IPL and yet we have it !! I think India needs to be boycotted by the rest of the world for some time. Ramanujam Sridhar

Posted by A_Yorkshire_Lad on (February 1, 2013, 9:47 GMT)

@ Zan xavier (00.23 AM GMT) - So good of you to participate in a bit of trolling over this ".... their minor success they achieve at times... " What , like beating India 2-1 away in a test series ? You call that a ' minor success ' , do you ? So , if such a lowly team like England can win an away test series , it really REALLY doesn't say much about the oppostion , does it ? Of course not . I think the phrase you're looking for here is ' D'Oh ' !! Oh , and it's " India's success " , not " Indias' success " ! 3/10 see me

Posted by bkempster on (February 1, 2013, 9:40 GMT)

India to pull out of international cricket because they don't like the playing conditions? Do they not HAVE to uphold the Spirit Of Cricket by accepting the decisions made? Pull out then Srinivasan - it'll leve us all more able to watch 5-test series between the rest of the test nations. Happy, happy days.

Posted by sks_sinha on (February 1, 2013, 9:27 GMT)

BCCI continues to be a major deterrent force in implementing DRS. Lets just hope that ICC does not bow to their illogical n inconclusive reasons and make a rational decision soon for the betterment of the game!!!

Posted by emmersonne on (February 1, 2013, 9:24 GMT)

Mr Srinivasan believes that the basis used for Hawkeye is unreliable? That basis, Mr Srinivasan, is the laws of physics. Perhaps, if the BCCI know better about how the laws of physics operate, their collective intellects would be better put to use on the Hadron Collider. In Switzerland. Where they don't have any more cricket for them to ruin.

Posted by DeliberateFlameBait on (February 1, 2013, 9:15 GMT)

I really believe one of the major objections the BCCI have to DRS is that they believe (reasonably in my view) it will cost India on the field. Over the years I have seen many bat-pad catches given against touring teams - and a fair proportion of them have been questionable at best. Apart from LBW, the bat pad strikes me as one of the most difficult decision to get right, and I believe an amount of India's past home success has been due to it's overuse.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (February 1, 2013, 8:59 GMT)

I am not sure if BCCI's threat, as reported, to boycott series is even true....In the past there have been numerous articles trying to project BCCI as bullies...

If this is true then the other 10 members who didn't raise their voice, are more to blame then 1 member.

And as far as DRS is concerned, hardly, any series goes by where there isn't a wrong decision because of it.

Posted by stalefresh on (February 1, 2013, 8:56 GMT)

Bcci has not invested money in an technical advances. Watching cricket from England and Australia has always been a better experience than India and subcontinent. The rich board must take the issue of DRS seriously to ensure howlers are eliminated.

DRS should be taken out of players and field umpires. All decisions should me monitored by tv umpire and any howler should be revoked. That is all we as fans need. This will keep all other things constant.

Posted by Charlie101 on (February 1, 2013, 8:56 GMT)

We saw in the last ODI series in India the problems the umpire has hearing any snicks against the noise of the crowd. We certainly do not want to quieten crowds as that is the fun of a live match but it is obvious that the umpires need some help in these conditions. Are the Indian players still against the DRS - what is the latest news ???

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 8:49 GMT)

India won the ODI series against England only due to the absence of DRS. India always rely on umpires to help them to win the matches. In the ODI series too England got 5 bad decisions against them , India got only 1 bad decision. All countries other than India support it. Since majority country supports DRS, ICC should forcefully implement DRS system. It is shame on BCCI to protest.

Posted by jmoses on (February 1, 2013, 8:35 GMT)

This is absolutely ridiculous! I'm from India and I completely oppose BCCI's reluctance in using technology to improve the game. DRS is an absolute blessing and not using it is a big crime. I think ICC should take a strong decision in this regard and should make it mandatory for all countries.

Posted by kmgnath on (February 1, 2013, 8:33 GMT)

BCCI has point on this. DRS in its currunt form is not pool proof, it might have evolved but still raises many issues. ICC and ECB is marketing DRS for their wested interest in its present form. When BCCI accepted for DRS for the first time in srilankan series, the operators manipulated multiple decision, that hurt BCCI badly, the reviews from team and management made DRS to be out, not pool proof. Last year in West Indies, Indian player got out on a noball, but the operator showed the previous ball to cover it up. So please don't tell me operators can't manipulate. Improve the system and remove all the loop holes. LBWs shouldn't come under DRS, that should be leaft to Umpires. Rest of all should be covered including inside/outside edge on the pads for LBW. Should keep a small team who monitors each and every ball, if the player is out and umpire didn't noticed it, third umpire should pass on this information to the main umpire, samething with not outs.

Posted by yorkslanka on (February 1, 2013, 8:17 GMT)

Following my last post, it's also really good to see that many Indian fans want DRS and its these guys I feel really sorry for ,given the childish behaviour of their board..for all those who feel that world cricket will crumble without india , that is a silly thing to think...the only losers if India pull out are the genuine fans from India ...

Posted by PanGlupek on (February 1, 2013, 8:15 GMT)

Bit childish of the BCCI to threaten boycotts over this. Ok, it's obvious that they don't agree with it, which is fine (although I think their arguments are weak - even if hotspot & whatever else isn't 100% accurate and can be manipulated, surely human umpires are far more prone to this?!), but is it really such a big deal that they feel it would be worth calling off tours for?

It's just a show of muscle: "We're powerful, so we'll do what we want", is basically what they are saying.

One thing I would say though, is to allow home boards to choose is a weak compromise from the ICC. If they want it, make it mandatory and standard for everybody, if they don't want it, don't use it at all.

For me, the biggest weakness of DRS is not the technology, it's the 3rd umpires use of it, that causes most of the problems. If India really don't want to use it, could somebody tell thier players to stop whining at umpires when things don't go thier way?!

Posted by yorkslanka on (February 1, 2013, 8:11 GMT)

This is nothing more than a school yard tantrum from the bcci...if they want to pull out of cricket than that's their choice..cricket will still go on..not sure ow Indian fans,sponsors and broadcasters will feel about it...the ICC CANNOT be held to ransom by anyone...

Posted by captainpermod on (February 1, 2013, 7:53 GMT)

I am an Indian and strongly supports DRS implemetation in world cricket. I believe available support through technology for accurate decisions is quite good. Technologies bound to evolve/improve with human intervention after having feedback of their eventual results. Stop using the technology is just a non-sense on BCCI's part. I will 2nd the comments provided by "Ncnotorious" as quoted below:

"India makes no sense...holding back INEVITABLE progress has been the downfall of many, not just in cricket. Evolve or die out. That has happened throughout the history of time and will continue to be the case".

I afraid what would have happened if the similar stand had been taken by anyother Board other than BCCI. The boards having not a strong say in ICC would have been expelled from FTP list and boycotted by all. Hats off to BCCI for immensly wrong attitude and the arrogance. Carry on!!! you are in a position to black mail the wolrd cricket at the moment.

Posted by raj_n on (February 1, 2013, 7:43 GMT)

When an umpire makes an error and the player remonstrates the player is fined. The umpire gets away with a 'human error' label. He is not sacked. However when DRS makes an error BCCI feels the pinch. Whats the difference between an umpire making an error and technology making an error ? Can someone explain ? Afterall technology is also built by humans. Atleast DRS has improved over the years while umpiring standards have only gone down. Now they have begun to use tech even to check for no balls thus holding back the game at important moments.

Posted by raj_n on (February 1, 2013, 7:30 GMT)

Hi HotSpotInventor,

Along with the current tech why dont you simply show a positive or negative symbol in case of an appeal. If there is an edge the signal will be plus else minus. This would help in case of very thin nicks. Congratulations on the technology though. Makes the game more alive.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 7:21 GMT)

I think that the teams who want DRS should play with DRS and the teams who do not want will not play with DRS. If this happens i think BCCI will accept the DRS rule as they will think that the rule is UNFAIR. And if india is not going to be playing a bilateral series with DRS then the other teams should not play without the DRS in which case indian players will play in ipl and ranji trophy and will not play international

Posted by pitch_curator on (February 1, 2013, 7:19 GMT)

@ gyusuf6 -- If I am coming to your house I might not tell you what to cook but I will sure tell you that I am a vegetarian and do not eat non-veg. Just because I am coming to your house does not mean I will become non vegetarian. Same way BCCI is not dictating what conditions, pitches or grounds to play in other countries. They are just saying that we do not agree with the DRS. So, lets not use it :-)

Posted by sportofpain on (February 1, 2013, 7:11 GMT)

BCCI is on to something. If you give in to DRS it is essentially game over since then whatever DRS says - be it right or wrong- will stand. And then you are at the mercy of the private firms that make the DRS equipment. Can they be manipulated? Yes they can. Will the be manipulated? One does not know.

Now some form of DRS can be used - for example to detect snicks. But for LBW decisions where the projected path is used to determine whether the ball will hit the stumps of not, so many factors come into play - the bounce on the pitch depends on the soil, the amount of humidity, the amount of sunlight, the wear and tear on the wicket, the day on which the game is being played (day 1 versus day 5 for example) and in fact where the match is played (Perth versus Kotla). Does the algorithm account for all of this? That really is the question. So it should not be used for LBW's.

Last point why should there be an arbitrary number of referrals? If there is doubt, use technology for snicks.

Posted by MAK123 on (February 1, 2013, 7:04 GMT)

Not sure about Hot Spot but as far as Hawk Eye is concerned, Sachin Tendulkar's not-out off Saeed Ajmal in the world cup semi-finals is a living proof of manipulation. Sachin was plump in front yet the hawk eye, after a considerable delay, showed the ball to going way out side the leg stump. Howzatt

Posted by pitch_curator on (February 1, 2013, 6:53 GMT)

Who is stopping ALL other countries except India from using DRS in thier mutual series? That is about 80% of the cricket that all teams play. Also, anyway most of the posters believe India is a pathetic team. So, they should be able to beat us easily without DRS. For ICC events, like WC, the DRS is being used. It is not as if India has pushed for banning the use of DRS in ALL cricket matches. Do you want India to fund the DRS cameras in Srilanka and WI as well? Is that it? @ All_The_Way -- Atleast read the article before posting . BCCI is not dictating anything to anyone. They are just saying we dont want to use the DRS in series involving India. You can use it in all other series. India is infact one of the MAIN reasons why cricket is spreading to other countries. Where do you think the money is getting generated for the ICC? Srilanka, Pakistan and WestIndies?

Posted by cricpolitics on (February 1, 2013, 6:50 GMT)

Let the Indians pull out of every tour. They can play IPL all year around at home where they can customize conditions at their will and be able to call them champions.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 6:46 GMT)

This article has a wrong headline. Its the BCCI that is threatening to pull out of series, not India. There are millions of cricket fans in India who want DRS, but since they are not of any value to BCCI, they don't matter in its decisions.

Posted by kristee on (February 1, 2013, 6:44 GMT)

If anything, it's field umpire stuff that is more prone to manipulation; you can't criticize one much for one's reflexes, after all. The only question here is who'd bell the cat. A beautiful game is spoiled by bullying tactics, period.

Posted by Ngaraj on (February 1, 2013, 6:43 GMT)

Let ICC think out of the box. Let there be only one field umpire to count balls and remove bails.. and probably to ensure that the players conduct themselves in the game that is gradually becoming un-genglemanly.. and let the other umpire sit upstairs and decide on every single appeal with maximum technology.. India cannot oppose this at all.. whose arm could it twist then?

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 6:43 GMT)

enough of the BCCI trying enjoy monopoly in the world of cricket........no one else seems to have any problem.let India play by themselves. Every must reject any bilateral series in india as well,, i guess..The indian players can play in the ranji trophy and earn their living.

Posted by pitch_curator on (February 1, 2013, 6:41 GMT)

@ HotSpotInventor -- The cricket world is more interested in doing the right thing rather than whether you are offended or not about people's opinion. How can you guarantee that the operator has not changed the feed? You can only give him the original feed but you are NOT in charge of relaying. So, please stop this nonsense about "Operator CANNOT manipulate". On what basis are stating that hot-spot has "improved" over the last 18 months? Have you tested it? If so what kind of tests have you conducted? Which Internation cricketer has ratified the tests? Can you publish the results? There have been allegations that if vaseline is used hotpot does not detect the nick. Have you tested this as well? What other substances can trick hotspot? Should the current laws be changed to prevent Batsmen from using these substances on their bat. Currently it is NOT illegal to apply vaseline to a cricket bat. Gives us the facts rather than ur opinions and sales pitches. Thanks.

Posted by CricIndia208 on (February 1, 2013, 6:40 GMT)

BCCi's stand is right, nothing should be forced on anyone.

Posted by Ncnotorious on (February 1, 2013, 6:37 GMT)

India makes no sense...holding back INEVITABLE progress has been the downfall of many, not just in cricket. Evolve or die out. That has happened throughout the history of time and will continue to be the case.

Posted by cric_J on (February 1, 2013, 6:36 GMT)

Looks like it is only the ECB who have a mind of their own.The other boards on one hand, do not miss any opportunity to take a dig at the BCCI and when the time actually came to take a stand against the BCCI's logic defying stance on the DRS implementation issue,they all have fizzled out. The BCCI is simply bossing about due to their financial power in world cricket and all the other boards barring ECB are playing into their hands ,be it the IPL or DRS.

Posted by Scheduler on (February 1, 2013, 6:35 GMT)

this is just the attitude that continues to ensure that cricket does not ever become a Global sport and continue to be played by a handful of teams and am surprised the competition they play every four years is called WORLD CUP .Can't stop laughing

Posted by satheeshkumar.m on (February 1, 2013, 6:34 GMT)

What non-sense BCCI? You are shaming india...You got to give the technology the space to grow..

Posted by satishchandar on (February 1, 2013, 6:33 GMT)

Hawkeye doesn't pick many edges. Even today, it didn't pick up edge of Finch's bat where there was a very big noise when the ball touched the bat. It is a incompetent technology. the owners are godo enough to admit that it is 90% correct but you can never be sure which is that extra 10% which will be flawed one. There are no correct evidence for that. With ball tracker, we all know how accurate it is. What we can do is, let the third umpire be there sitting with the replays. If the umpire has any doubts on the decision, he can always go to the third umpire like the current no ball referring thing. He can review it with the replays and give a decision. The biggest thing that need to be done is, let the decision making be universal. Ie, we don't want to see each umpire handling the things in his own style. Let the rule book be a complete one and each and every umpire follow them exactly as it is written. For incorrect decision on referral, make the umpires pay hefty fines.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (February 1, 2013, 6:25 GMT)

It seems that the BCCI is really trying to martyr itself. Whenever one sees India playing they seem to be on the receiving end of the worst decisions,ironically.Or is it.I think the system is trying to say something. Still if driving in the middle of the road is acceptable to you, then who cares about umpiring. Quite frankly the umpiring in the Tests between Eng and I was staggeringly awful. Most rules bind on everyone...time for the stick not the carrot.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 6:23 GMT)

I think BCCI has taken a good step as far as DRS is concern the technology needs to improve a lot because when India toured England some decisions against Rahul Dravid went horribly wrong when hot spot showed no edge marked in it still umpire gave him out that's where the technology needs to improve

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (February 1, 2013, 6:14 GMT)

India are holding cricket back. In the recent ODI series V England you wanted No DRS & Indian umpires. Morally, England won the ODI series.

Cmon India, sometimes being a man means admitting you were wrong. Sure enough, the cricketing world is starting to dislike you more & more. Meaning you opponents determination, in every series, will be turned up to 10.

Posted by kristee on (February 1, 2013, 6:12 GMT)

Boycotting any country is absolutely practical. Here it's not, because all other boards are worthless enough with no qualms at leaving the game in such squalid dilemma. However 'strong' you are, you'd suddenly find yourself in an unenviable position, if you get no opponents to flaunt your 'strength'. In other games even genuinely strong parties face this situation, that's the difference.

Posted by Freerider1 on (February 1, 2013, 6:09 GMT)

Let India play by themselves.

Posted by TheCricketeer on (February 1, 2013, 6:08 GMT)

I think I would be ok with a system that just automatically checked all the line calls.

i.e. For every dismassal while batsman is walking off check the No ball For LBW while batsman is walking off check that the ball has pitched in line, ball has hit in line.

I believe the batsman should also have the opportunity to tell the umpire he got an edge on an LBW shout and the umpire can ask the third umpire to check for clear visual evidence.

I wouldn't use DRS for caught behinds - I think batsman have cottoned onto the fact that sometimes those very faint ones dont show up on hotspot and now they try to take advantage of that. In any event the umpires just confuse me sometimes with their interpretation of all the evidence when there are close decisions in that space. Instead I would make it mandatory to walk if you know you have edged the ball and offenders would be punishable by fines and suspensions if they are found after the game to have stood.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 6:04 GMT)

This is a brialliant move by BCCI, remember last India's tour of England, where england thrashed out india only because of DRS . That great innings of Rahul dravid where he has opened the innings and played till last wicket as not out, after that comes back on second inning again as opener when India is playing there Follow-on, England unable to out that best batsman suddenly they uses DRS and make Dravid out by a totally wrong decision which really let India down on that whole tour. So, from 'India' side a big "No", until the technology uses properly ......

Posted by wakaPAK on (February 1, 2013, 5:56 GMT)

Ironically Indian onfield umpires are the worst! Why not take UDRS? No technology is absolutely accurate but it's relatively better than the present system so why not take it.. Manipulated? this is something new... who will do it? India's thinking like every suggestion coming from Eng/Aus is aimed at destroying India.. come on guys.. You know what, you guys are scared because you think this technology will be favoring the bowlers....this is just an assumption otherwise I dont see anything wrong with adopting UDRS and India is so afraid of this that last year they had told commentators not to talk about DRS.. what is it??

Posted by ooper_cut on (February 1, 2013, 5:52 GMT)

Ok, here's another suggestion to ponder. If a player reviews his decision and it turns out to be out, he does not get another review for his next 5 innings, that would put off all the jokers who always think that they were never out.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 1, 2013, 5:43 GMT)

@Inet Surfur on (January 31 2013, 17:28 PM GMT), it is a logical conclusion that the other boards kept quiet because they were afraid of losing revenue by not playing against India. India's threat to refuse to play series where DRS was used is clearly a tactic to intimidate other boards and it worked. The BCCI got their way not by arguing a good case but by effectively threatening other boards with taking away their income and they got their way. As for your other questions, they are totally irrelevant to this debate. They are not the reasons that the BCCI has refused DRS and there are also plenty of DRS supporters who believe that the implementation could be improved. We'll never improve the implementation if we have no implementation at all. The BCCI's alleged objections are just baseless. What evidence is there that the system is or will be tampered with? As for reliability, where else do they insist on 100% perfection? Certainly not from themselves.

Posted by jackthelad on (February 1, 2013, 5:43 GMT)

The recent tour of England in India should have been the final nail in the coffin of India's lone anti-technological support stance; there was some shocking umpiring in all formats, which is simply not good enough for international cricket. Now, I've no strong feelings for or against the DRS, but it should go without saying that one solitary 'member' of the international board cannot flout the ruling of the rest; India needs to be pulled into line or else excluded from international competition (the usual squeal here is that most of the money in cricket is in India - but the fact is that the great bulk of this money is in IPL, and is of no relevance to international cricket).

Posted by half_blood-prince on (February 1, 2013, 5:34 GMT)

Keep dreaming of boycotting India (absolutely ridiculous)...First of all: There is no major technical inability in DRS (except hotspot and that 2.5m rule) compared to field umpires. It doesn't worth using if it gives only 2 or 3 referrals to the players. What if all the referrals are used???Then even umpire wouldn't care too much as there is DRS in the belt. Then what is the point of having such an expensive technology that is to be used just 7 to 8 times a match(solution: unlimited referrals, Practically impossible).i ve seen a better solution to this in recent matches that whenever umpire is confused 3re umpire's help is taken. BCCI is opposing it because once DRS is introduced it will be BCCI's money that will be funded to SLC, PCB, BCB, WICB etc.(ICC doesn't own a penny) At last I see DRS in future with ICC giving an open window for IPL being in ICC calendar.

Posted by rameshpoplay on (February 1, 2013, 5:26 GMT)

DRS in current state is a hotch potch. On several occasions snicko-meter & hot-spot don't give similar results. Hawk-eye is worst. Many bowlers have felt that d extent & even d direction of the ball after pitching are blatantly incorrect. Why not concentrate on improving the technology and make it as solid as possible. Dont give a chance to someone like Stve Bucknor to say that he doesn't agree with it as feels that there is tempering involved. With so much betting going on, what prevents hood-looms from putting a gun on technician's head & manipulating results in d name of technology.

I feel d best way to handle this is to empower d 3rd umpire to overrule d on-field umpire as soon as he notices that an incorrect decision has been given. Why wait for d players to appeal (& that too only twice) or for d on-field umpire to refer a decision. I watch cricket quite extensively & have noticed some horrific decisions, which even a lay-man could notice. 3rd would have surely noticed it.

Posted by RAJEESHKUMAR on (February 1, 2013, 5:08 GMT)

BCCi may have mone issues behind their decision against DRS. But there is some point in the argument they are presenting. DRS can be manipulated. Check the videos of India's tour of England in 2012. You can see Dravid being given out 3 times by DRS. But any one can see that they are clear not outs. What can we make out from this, the third umpire was blind or he made a blunder, three times. Recently, in the last odi between Newzealand and South Africa, one of the Newzealandar was given out caught behind when hot spot shown nothing. India agreed to use DRS even in its beginning(vs srilanka almost 5 years ago). But so many suspicious decisions went against them. After that India were reluctant to use the technology.

Posted by KingKongIn on (February 1, 2013, 5:06 GMT)

I am not a fan of current DRS format, it should not be in player hand but if it is in player hand then there should be more chances then one to review more. in one day matches every team get 1 review, what if they chose 1st riview wrong and after that they won't have any review in hand..and hollower can made after that too. so what is the use of DRS then. if you come for LBW , using DRS is pathetic. actually DRS is very costly technology, some of the boards can not implement only because if its cost.for me umpires should review every marginal decision and it be left to umpire to request a review. The Third Umpire should intervene when there are blatant wrong calls.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 5:00 GMT)

England is backing the DRS because they made this technology.. they cant ignore their own money making child. On the other hand ICC wants lot of money and they cant wait till the DRS becomes error free. The other countries are not supporting because they understand the product is error prone and it is not simply because BCCI isn't supporting or they are in fear. In the first instance they dont want to clash with ICC and simply acknowledging whatever it says and finally disapproving since one country coming up to reject ICC recommendation. I dont understand why there is an urgency from ICC to implement DRS which is already proved not worthy at its current form. If they really want more money then they have to figure out how to improve the formats which pull fans and introduce innovations to make it popular. Afterall they have been appointed to do that and DRS is just a cover up their failures...

Posted by yadabhi7 on (February 1, 2013, 4:58 GMT)

If ICC can improve DRS technology so india can use it bcoz it has some minor faults that are the disadvantages for the game.

Posted by BadMoodHesh on (February 1, 2013, 4:55 GMT)

Maybe we should include DRS in just test matches! India doesn't win those anyway so it won't affect the result!

Posted by cric_J on (February 1, 2013, 4:53 GMT)

I totally agree with the idea of having a vote based desicion for the DRS implementation issue. Although I am an Indian, I seriously feel that the BCCI needs to stop this nonsense about not putting up with the DRS. Their stance that the technology is not accurate is really lame.Whatever the inaccuracies with DRS may be, it certainly is more accurate than the on field umpires . Also it is this same Indian team and the BCCI who keep crying about inaccurate decision making by the umpires that "cost them key wickets at important times in the match ".So it is pretty ridiculous that the BCCI and some of the Indian players are showing this rigid resistance towards DRS. Atleast DRS gives a chance to the bowlers if they are sure of an LBW shout that is turned down by the umpire or to a batsman who is sure he has not edged the ball even if he is given out. Every technology has its descrapancies in the beginning and improves with time.But that will happen only if it is given a chance.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (February 1, 2013, 4:40 GMT)

This is nothing but bullying. I would blame ECB or ICC in this case they knew india is not going to implement DRS . Get real folks Srinivasan is against it and stubborn. I would suggest the other boards to wait for another 2-3 years .Once dhoni/srinivasan exits the next president whoever it is hopefully will not be stubborn.

Posted by Inspector_Clouseau on (February 1, 2013, 4:35 GMT)

Irrational people are in no short supply even in these times. Of course DRS is imperfect .. we all get it. But is it hard to understand that it eliminates howlers which are also in no short supply these days? In spite of its shortcomings DRS improves the accuracy of the decisions. There is no system that is 100% foolproof. Whoever is waiting for it, get over it. This impasse is only preventing the game from advancing. It is appalling to see some fellow Indian fans even defending the actions of shameful BCCI leadership.

Posted by raj_n on (February 1, 2013, 4:28 GMT)

The only problem with the DRS is that once upon a time ECB and Cricket Australia were ruling the roost and forcing other countries to tow their line. Now India is just playing a game within a game and showing who is the boss. Otherwise it looks pretty insensible not to use DRS when it is available. And what flimsy excuses. Its just a play of ego, nothing else. And it looks ugly.

Posted by Triple_A on (February 1, 2013, 4:10 GMT)

I think because BCCI has eternally been unclear about its intentions, the public has to construct reasons for their stances. There are more pressing issues with DRS that are not efficiency related. As Ian Chappell wrote a week ago, the fact that this technology was developed to reduce howlers, but is presently being used for edge cases is ridiculous. There are often circumstances when all chances have been used up, and the next batsmen has been given out incorrectly. In my opinion, the DRS power should be given to the third umpire. Whenever someone is bowled or caught in the field, its alright...then it is quite clear that the player is out. But, when there is a case of LBW or catch by the close in fielders, we directly go up without question. Use the same accuracy as now, this way marginal decisions wont be turned and howlers can be prevented in cases when the umpire didnt see the bat-pad or hear the nick. If the processing time is reduced drastically, we have a good tech in our hands

Posted by srikanths on (February 1, 2013, 4:04 GMT)

Instead of going for a hodge podge of DRS+normal conventional umpiring decisions. it may be worthwhile putting other than bowled and straigtforward catching on technology. If countries have to invest in tech for DRS they might as well invest fully. Umpirescan just be coordinators with a things that tech does not take care of

Posted by Chris_P on (February 1, 2013, 4:01 GMT)

@Cpt.Meanster. While no-one wants to see India not play, test cricket will most certainly continue should they withdraw. It existed before India came in, existed when South Africa was expelled, & would continue to exist should England, Australia or any country pull out. Of course it won't come to that, no one country is bigger than the game despite what some within the BCCI think. It does seem odd that this stance is taken as it should be each country's choice to use or not, just as it id India's right not to use it during home series. On the surface it looks like they want to take their bat & ball & go home. Of course the use of DRS, (IMHO) should only be in the hands of the umpires only, not players.

Posted by 9ST9 on (February 1, 2013, 4:00 GMT)

@danidu - maybe off topic but what you said reminded me of what Dhoni said after losing to Australia in the WT20 - "it rained" never seen someone so blatantly not accept defeat, and he had the 'grace' to again mention the rain when they couldn't make it to the semis.

Posted by Maratha-Mumbaikar on (February 1, 2013, 3:59 GMT)

The great michael vaughan has said that "if one applies vaseline it cannot be seen in DRS hot spot" Though we should use DRS hot spot in IPL & in domestic matches as we Indians are good in developing technology. Though I agree that DSR can be manipulated. Why DRS in one of the matches in which team India were playing a run out was manipulated & shown as out. In some matches the third umpire have pressed the out button despite the player being not out. Using it in IPL will help though.

Posted by Prats6 on (February 1, 2013, 3:57 GMT)

As an Indian, I am at a loss to understand this behavior from BCCI. Its like the rich kid in the neighborhood telling I want to bat or I take all the kit away from you. The kid does not understand it cant play on it own. Thank God, atleast ECB showed some spine. I wonder what happened to the others? Call BCCI's bluff. We cant keep playing with Sri Lanka & Pakistan forever (The Asian lobby).

Posted by gyusuf6 on (February 1, 2013, 3:56 GMT)

@gsingh7 on (January 31 2013, 18:00 PM GMT) andHarmony111 on (January 31 2013, 16:45 PM GMT), Guys, home team should decide as India has done always, rejected DRS and That is fine. but If West Indies are hosting India and they want to have DRS then India should not have any right to object. And there BCCI is trying to manipulate the world cricket. And that is blatantly Unfair. It is like i am coming to your house for Dinner and telling you how to serve and what to serve!!!!!!!Any comments???

Posted by charithde.84 on (February 1, 2013, 3:56 GMT)

I seriously dont know why any other country would stand up to the BCCI. They are actually bullying, and what they so is no way in for an improvement for the game. I think other cricket boards should understand, whats not lucrative to India they dont do. Its just because they go wrong on the DRS couple of times, they have to cancel it. And plus a review should taken for a correct moment not when you feel like it. And so what if India dosent want to play with other countries who wants the DRS? if they dont wanna play, its there loss, not anyone else's. Please everyother cricket board in the ICC, stop bowing down to India, its enough that BCCI is ruined the game. Stand up and say "Get out, if you dont wanna be inboard".

Posted by YS_USA on (February 1, 2013, 3:45 GMT)

Why do they need India to agree to DRS. All Other countries can use DRS when they play each other and eventually, India will come around if it is good technology or other countires will drop it if is not.

Posted by omairhr on (February 1, 2013, 3:41 GMT)

Umpires could be "manipulated and unreliable", even more so than DRS. Lets get rid of the umpires too.

Posted by Udendra on (February 1, 2013, 3:36 GMT)

I also think technologies like Hawk-eye/Eagle-eye can be manipulated, but HOT SPOT should be absolute mandatory. And ICC should fund it for 'poor' boards.

Posted by Pickpocket on (February 1, 2013, 3:34 GMT)

This is as usual as they can do. Indian Board can'nt follow any rules & regulation. They just want to use their power. If a umpire give a wrong decision against them they just create pressure to that umpire. They always create some pressure to the Umpire to give the wrong in favor of Indian Bowler. Umpire give wrong decision which favors India becoz a Umpire cann't go against India as they can get IPL umpiring. I hate such stance of India.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 3:33 GMT)

it is stupid to opt out of DRS becase it can be "manipulated". Technological advances have made it possible to track any such breaches, so Mr. Srinivasan need not be worried on this aspect. The crux of the matter is that he would like to keep the decision making in the hands of the umpires - at least one Indian umpire for matches played in India so that he could influence. If he was so much concerned to make the system fool proof, he must say so instead of opting out.

Posted by Mighty_Hawk on (February 1, 2013, 3:21 GMT)

How ridiculous. This has gone on long enough. India holding the rest of the cricketing nations/board to ransom because they fail to adapt to a changing game. Fair enough the DRS is not 100% but is it more accurate than how many mistakes the umpires make during a game? Certainly. It's the way the game is headed and it's about time India come to the party in this situation. Not play the bully because they have the most powerful board and biggest cricketing nation in the world. They have already set themselves back by 5 years by not using it simply because other captains have had the time to use and analyse the way DRS properly. India will have to start that process from scratch because of their stubborness, if they ever decide to evolve with the rest of the cricketing world.

Posted by taniap on (February 1, 2013, 3:21 GMT)

I agree with "ritearmover". Any improvement, even not 100% accurate should be adopted, perfection is a process that will take time.

Perhaps if every other cricketing nation opposed India, that will allow India to concentrate on their IPL and only play cricket within their country. As a Sri Lankan, I wouldn't miss not seeing India in SL for a change.

Posted by VashTheStampede on (February 1, 2013, 3:17 GMT)

Reallly indias board goes way to far. how come the other boards dont say anything. everyone has seen that the DRS is a really good system it does have flaws but if you dont use it now when will you get the flaws out of it. almost every ball sport uses ball tracking technology now it help the umpires/referees alot. in this day and age you kinda need technology it also makes the game more fairer. only thing india is doing is being selfish and not improving the game. also shame on the other boards they should raise their voice and say no. we will implement the system. if india doesnt want to play their loss then.

Posted by abs.liton on (February 1, 2013, 3:16 GMT)

How BCCI behaves, it seems that only India plays cricket and cricket is only for them. Other boards don't know much about cricket. If India doesn't wanna use DRS system then they should not use TV umpire also as TV umpire's decision is also a technological decision. I think BCCI believes in superstitions. They just think DRS system may stand against them. All boards are really going to be sick for the decision of BCCI. India should evaluate and think about the decisions of other members. Every board has a right to say their decisions about cricketing matters. For that all boards should come to term in a right decision so that every cricketing nation can be benefited for the making of newer decisions. Don't angry for my words.. Indian fans.

Posted by pitch_curator on (February 1, 2013, 3:14 GMT)

See a lot of ranting here. Can anyone GUARANTEE that technology will not be manipulated?? Recently the ACB had to "explain" to Channel 9 why the best team was not picked. This is the kind of influence that broadcasters have on the game. What is the guarantee that the broadcasters will not manipulate the camera angles to suit their TRPs?? If someone can guarantee this aspect then we can think of improving the technology, addressing the other grey areas.

Posted by Naren on (February 1, 2013, 3:09 GMT)

Millions of people want DRS, but the board will decide to not use it for whatever reasons they only understand. India is a democratic country where not the people but the elected person makes the choice. It is not always the people's choice :).

Posted by ilyas_US on (February 1, 2013, 3:07 GMT)

Hey BCCI please realize we are living in 2013 not stone age. You are scared if correct decision is made your batting will suffer means team will flop. Please get out of fear and adapt right strategies to improve technique instead of blocking technology

Posted by ruester on (February 1, 2013, 3:07 GMT)

India, do not have one umpire on the international panel, it shows how bad the umpiring standards are in Indian first class cricket. I would think the BCCI should embrace the DRS as it makes far less mistakes than a human. If the BCCI doesn't want to play overseas then ok, don't tour, its not as if its team actually performs well in these countries! Let India have the IPL and have Shastri and co spout on about how brilliant India are and how the IPL produces class cricketers for the International arena, let them be in their own dream world.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 3:03 GMT)

The right of use of the DRS should be with the host country. After all every country tours the other country and hence the right will be spread uniformly and that any deficiency in the system can be rectified. Only when the technology is operative, it can be improvised and more new techonologies can be introduced in the game. Hence ICC should be stubborn and enforce the right of use with the host country irrespective of the BCCI stand. Alternatively, if any one team does not want DRS let it not use, but it should not stand in the way of other team using it. One of these two will be a good suggestion to follow.

Posted by dogbert on (February 1, 2013, 2:53 GMT)

It funny that the Indian board continues to oppose better decision making while the Indian skipper continues to point out bad decisions in press briefings after every loss!

Posted by nainil0683 on (February 1, 2013, 2:46 GMT)

Players only use DRS when they think that a wrong decision has been made. So in that case, if a wrong decision has been made, DRS gives a second chance to review the wrong decision with technology. Even Dhoni was gesturing DRS in the recent Pakistan series. Honestly I have seen few maringal errors in DRS, but its way better than umpires mistakes. Talking about the issue, India has no right to dictate the world. If a host country wants to use DRS, then India cannot refuse. Sure if India is hosting, they can have the final say, but if India is touring, they HAVE to follow the host country. If the world agrees to such demans then India in future may pull out of tours due to the following reaons: 1. We will pull out if you won't allow our top 5 batsman to bat twice in ODI and T20 2. We will pull out if our bowlers take wickets on no-balls 3. We will pull out if you don't allow a single batsman to reach 100 4. We will pull out if we loose the game 5. We will pull because we feel like it

Posted by Aggronaught on (February 1, 2013, 2:29 GMT)

Great, leave them out of all the matches, will see who will be begging to come back. Use the technology, when there is one.

Posted by ramab on (February 1, 2013, 2:28 GMT)

@Brian - I do support the DRS with some limitations, but it was the WI that goofed up the no-ball dismissal on Suresh Raina showing the incorrect delivery.

Posted by On_The_Boundary on (February 1, 2013, 2:24 GMT)

Not only is the Indian team going backwards, but now the BCCI is following suit!

I encourage all Indian cricket fans to make their voices heard to the BCCI - show them where their power truly lies - with the fans.

The BCCI are doing a huge disservice to Indians everywhere and should be showing a modicum of respect to everyone involved.

Posted by NumberXI on (February 1, 2013, 2:23 GMT)

Inevitably, of course, this story becomes an exercise in BCCI bashing - people will whine about "play IPL like an old record", "blaming the umpires" and even "being up one-self". Cricinfo does its bit too, because the headlines tell only part of the story. For instance, those that bothered to read the piece would have noticed that the BCCI opposed it, the ECB backed them AND - and this is the key part - the rest of the boards didn't even take a stand on the issue! So, when the rest of the boards do not have the spine to take a stand, it is somehow the fault of the BCCI as well! People bitching about India - which is easy to do given the tough times the team is facing - should first go and ask their boards why they do not have the gumption to take a stand!

Posted by kristee on (February 1, 2013, 2:13 GMT)

Can you even imagine such a scenario in any other sport? And why? Here's a mediocre setup, as far as cricket is concerned, calling the shot. What a shame!

Posted by Ameeega on (February 1, 2013, 2:12 GMT)

Harmony111's seat example is great. I interpreted in a different manner. Harmony is driving without wearing a seat belt. The Policeman says, "wear the seat belt, it decreases chances of a death". BUT someone said, "still people can die with seat belts". So, harmony drives with no seat belts on. Not only for himself, he does not allow other passenger to wear seal belts. Harmony, you are a legend!

Posted by wakaPAK on (February 1, 2013, 2:08 GMT)

We are not jealous of India... India should watch Spiderman :) "With great power comes great responsibility." With the power you have, you should adapt the role of a "leader" in international cricket and you should not use your power to settle your petty scores with opponents. Stop using cricket to score political points.Use your power and money in spreading cricket to Nepal, Bhutan and other countries. That will benefit not only India but the entire cricketing comminity. You should be the leader in promoting techonolgy like this but your skeptic brain and fear of losing is not making this happen. England did well in promoting Cricket and I like the fact that they welcome international players in their team. England is thinking beyond the boundaries. When we criticise performance of your team that has nothing to do with we being Jealous of IPL, BCCI and India itslef and when we critcise BCCI. You've your objectives as a cricket team and that is to win.. and then as a leader 'Cricket'

Posted by TRAM on (February 1, 2013, 2:02 GMT)

Honestly, I just ordered a new Blood-Pressure monitoring device that uses real mercury to replace my last & final 6th electronic digital BP monitoring gauge I have bought. Reason??? It started showing slowly higher and higher BP for me over last 1 year which I verified to be NOT TRUE. I am fed up with the so called electronic measuring systems. I called the manufacturer (again) and they want me (again) to send the device to them (I PAY EVERU TIME) to calibrate my electronic device EVERY YEAR - otherwise it wont show accurate reading. After spending heavy (~ $150 ) upfront for a so called sophistication, I have to keep paying them, because, they cant/wont make an electronic equipment RELIABLE and ACCURATE for a good life time. Well, I WANT RELIABILITY AND ACCURACY. Add to it, imagine my BP gauge can be manipulated by some computer software team, sorry, I wont even think of using such an equipment. Agree?? There is absolutely nothing wrong in BCCI stand. Cricinfo please publish.

Posted by PadMarley on (February 1, 2013, 1:57 GMT)

Indian batsmen have been benefited a lot over many years at home by Benefit of the doubt!! And they piled up mammoth totals...... no wonder the fear!

Posted by Mitcher on (February 1, 2013, 1:55 GMT)

I still find this whole sage incredibly ironic. DRS was essentially introduced following Indian fans/players/commentators/administrators disgraceful behaviour following that fantastic Sydney Test (character assassination of an experienced umprie, threatening to go home if they don't get their way etc etc etc). Yet we're still left with a refusal to contribute to a system that attempts to mitigate what India perceived as injustices against it.

Posted by meursault on (February 1, 2013, 1:55 GMT)

Congratulations to English sports administrators again for being the only ones courageous enough to stand up to the power-brokers' interests (like at Fifa). Very disappointed in the other boards, particularly Australia and South Africa who in reality had very little lose, because Indian cricket would lose too much money if they refused to tour in those countries, so it was an idle threat as concerns those boards.

Posted by Gurudumu on (February 1, 2013, 1:45 GMT)

There is merit to using Hotspot and Snicko - I don't believe in the accuracy of predicting the flight of the ball and where it will hit and/or miss stumps. Tamper with use of full DRS and I believe India will come on board.

Posted by torsha on (February 1, 2013, 1:36 GMT)

Well done India. The Boss is always right. England should stop implement unnecessary ways of using DRS.

Posted by Cricket_equals_Sachin on (February 1, 2013, 1:31 GMT)

unpires being paid lot of money so its their work to give accurate decisions.some people blindly support DRS without knowing anything about it even its full form.

Posted by here2rock on (February 1, 2013, 1:29 GMT)

ICCI does not rule the game India does. It is a good stance, the whole DRS issue is against the spirit of the game and it does not work. I like the idea of Ian Chappell thrown out on Cricinfo a few days ago that the third umpire should play a bigger role in the game. In the current status is should not be accepted. No board can say no to India because they know the financial consequences.

Posted by bobagorof on (February 1, 2013, 1:21 GMT)

Technology *may* be able to be 'easily manipulated', but the recent ODI between Australia and Sri Lanka, where both Warner and Henriques were given out LBW despite clearly hitting the ball, shows that umpires are still not 100% accurate.

Posted by yogikanna on (February 1, 2013, 1:11 GMT)

This is ridiculous decision by BCCI.....BCCI should be ashamed of themselves. Can't they never reach a compromise with anybody? I am an Indian, but I am tired of BCCI's scrong arm tactics. They are not going to make friends anywhere, if they keep insisting on "My way or the highway."

Posted by Sinhaya on (February 1, 2013, 1:05 GMT)

I oppose BCCI's rigid stand towards DRS. But it is high time that ICC seriously looks at a cost effective way of having DRS. Why cant ICC have the uniformity as there should be no case where one series has DRS and the others dont. Either use it always or not use it at all. The present form results in a total discrepancy where umpiring decisions simply makes the match swing like a seesaw. It is just not fair that in this month in the SA Pak series, players can challenge and umpiring howler that will alter the course of the game, but it wont be possible when Australia tour India.

Posted by HAVANA on (February 1, 2013, 0:56 GMT)

one of the most sickening forms of Test Match cricket to endure, was to watch a game where a player or a team goes on to win the game for their country after a clear mistake by the umpires. the DRS may not be perfect, but for the time being, it is crucial to counter the incorrect conclusions the teams, world, and the sport have to face with everyday on field errors.

Posted by SJ_NR on (February 1, 2013, 0:54 GMT)

Good from the BCCI - not that they need it, but they have my full support on this (at least!). There are far too many imponderables in the technology that is sought to be implemented now.

Posted by devonblacksmith on (February 1, 2013, 0:48 GMT)

@Zan Xavier

What does the use of DRS have to do with India's status as one of the top cricketing nations? Do you honestly believe that it is manipulated and corrupt?

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 0:35 GMT)

BCCI is turning a blind eye to the innovations which are helping the sport. BCCI had taken a flawed stand in the very beginning and now their ego is forcing them to stick to the incorrect stand taken earlier. Since they have the money power, BCCI are just trying to bully the others. Could Bangladesh or Zimbabwe got away with a boorish stand like that of BCCI. To ensure that cricket is run properly in India, we need to ensure that BCCI is run by cricketers and not by businessmen or politicians who use the Board as their puppet. Srinivasan and co should be shunted out and cricketers like Kumble etc should run for the President of the BCCI.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 1, 2013, 0:27 GMT)

The BCCI is basically saying that they would refuse to play by the rules set down by the ICC. The BCCI are quite within their rights to be against DRS, although I don't share their view, but for them to refuse to play by the rules agreed to by the majority is completely disgraceful. I still question their grounds for opposition to DRS too. Where is their evidence that DRS has ever been or ever would be manipulated? Shall we ban Indian umpires because their decisions could be easily manipulated? If the BCCI would go as far as refusing to play international cricket in accordance with the rules laid down by the ICC, can we be confident that they would not at least pressure local umpires to makes decisions in their favour? There's just as much evidence of one as the other.

Posted by   on (February 1, 2013, 0:23 GMT)

I agree with BCCI fully as technology can be manipulated easily...whatever you type on the keyboard, it appears on the screen...

India being the powerhouse of cricket, the success of IPL, World Cup win, the emergence of young and exciting players...it does make the other nations jealous of Indias' success.

Why the ECB always want DRS?..England should be renamed as World 11 as they rely on overseas/overseas background players for their minor success they achieve at times...

Posted by Badgerofdoom on (February 1, 2013, 0:11 GMT)

What happened to the other boards, CA CSA and the rest should grow a spine. Seriously it is a bit much that India dictate the playing conditions in away series, although calls to ban them are as unhelpful as they are unlikely.

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 23:58 GMT)

Well At least England has some guts , which is more than I can say for any of the other boards... including my own West Indian board.

Posted by auspan on (January 31, 2013, 23:56 GMT)

The greatest downfalls with the DRS are either to do with the players asking for pointless referrals or poor umpiring decisions being made after all referrals have been used. The DRS actually makes allowances for inaccuracies by requiring the ball to be pitched a particular distance down the pitch and greater than half the ball hitting the stumps for a decision to be made.

The Indian board are being argumentative and are bullying the cricketing community into remaining fixed in outdated ways of doing things. In the meantime the rest of the world is moving on and becoming adept at using the technology and making referral calls. India will be their own worst enemy here as they are getting left behind.

Clearly the other boards are being threatened by the financially powerful Indian board. This will backfire for the Indian board as if they petulantly refuse to travel for bilateral series due to the DRS, they will lose the associated income and become the laughing stock of the world.

Posted by mps400 on (January 31, 2013, 23:48 GMT)

What a ridiculously backward stance. Why are they against technology that only improves decisions? Buffoons as usual.

Posted by RogerC on (January 31, 2013, 23:31 GMT)

DRS is expensive and inconsistent for whatever little it does. ICC should get rid of it once for all, instead of discussing it every few months.

Posted by Desihungama on (January 31, 2013, 23:27 GMT)

Oh and why the other boards did not speak up. Eye Pe El. Cricket may be running on Indian Rupee now as some suggested but Cricket dd exist before Indian Rupee was invented. And by the way it is untrue in the cases of most boards, only Australia, Eng, NZ and SA are running on Indian Rupee. I actually like what's going on if you know what I mean.

Posted by TengaZool on (January 31, 2013, 23:26 GMT)

I am sure a lot of Indians are embarrassed by Mr. Srinivasan's stand. BCCI would have to have new leadership before progress can be made in this matter. Are there wider financial implications of implementing DRS other than the supposed quality of verdicts that BCCI is wary of? Can someone in the forum share thoughts or theories as to why Srinivasan is so against it? I, for one, like DRS but believe the implementation of it requires improvement - for instance in one of the recent Aus - Sri Lanka matches, two Australian players had clearly inside edged but were still given out LBW. DRS was used but there were no challenges left. They players weren't called back. That was quite farcical.

Posted by rickeap on (January 31, 2013, 23:21 GMT)

Why should one country hold the rest of the cricketing world at ransom? India's opposition is illogical.

Posted by whoster on (January 31, 2013, 23:17 GMT)

So, according to the BCCI, DRS can easily be manipulated. Yes of course! I'm sure we've all imagined the spectre of some infiltrator creeping into an international ground late at night and sticking lens caps on all the cameras. Or perhaps under a silvery moon and to the backdrop of hooting owls, someone with an ordinary pair of household scissors could sneak onto the pitch and cut the wire on the stump-mic? I'm glad the BCCI weren't in charge when the wheel, internal combustion engine and squeezy ketchup bottles were invented - they'd never have seen the light of day!

Posted by Beazle on (January 31, 2013, 23:05 GMT)

Unbelievable . I admire so much about India, its people and its cricket. But NOT this.

Posted by VEALLY01 on (January 31, 2013, 22:55 GMT)

Minority rule is never a way forward. Every country except India is happy to use DRS yet none of them are prepared to make a case against the Indian refusal to accept the system(s). This is very disappointing for spectators the world over as well as the game in general. Any situation where one voice bullies all others into silence can only end up imploding and I very much hope the Indians get off their high horse sooner rather than later.

One solution maybe to have SKY TV guarantee to provide identical technology to every Test playing country as part of their broadcasting agreement. I am sure this is a flawed suggestion due to local broadcasters getting priority in some of the countries, but maybe this could be the opportunity to collaborate for the common good?

Posted by D-Ascendant on (January 31, 2013, 22:55 GMT)

I think it is time umpires took a stand on this. Poor Simon Taufel has retired, but most of his colleagues are having to suffer through the humiliation of being denied access to the technology that every TV viewer has access to. What if Elite Panel umpires refused to take part in any tour that India was involved in?

Posted by Whatsgoinoffoutthere on (January 31, 2013, 22:47 GMT)

I do wonder just how deep resistance to DRS runs in BCCI. Also, I could understand criticisms of specific parts/methods, but this blanket objection to everything seems to be chucking out the baby with the bathwater. Personally, I believe a more pragmatic approach would be appropriate: I don't think Duckworth-Lewis is an infallible tool, but I do accept that it's currently the best approach we've got with regard to the problem it addresses.

How is DRS technology ever going to improve if it is never used? Maybe there's a case for designating certain tournaments "DRS-live" and using them as opportunities to validate each tool in detail to everyone's satisfaction.

Posted by fguy on (January 31, 2013, 22:32 GMT)

even though i'm not the biggest fan of the way the bcci functions i just love the fact that after decades of Aus & Eng control the balance of power has shifted. of course none of the people here criticising the bcci for wielding too much power now would've made even a squeak then i can bet. also isnt it ironical that the fans pushing for DRS are the ones who talk about the "purity" of test cricket. well the purest cricket then is one where the umpires rule as it has been since cricket began.

Posted by mumbaiguy79 on (January 31, 2013, 22:28 GMT)

I definitely think the DRS system is unreliable. Take for instance the semifinal between India-Pakistan in the last WC. Sachin was clearly LBW against Ajmal. Ian Gould gave him out and so would have every umpire. Sachin referred the decision and the ball missed the stumps ever so slightly. Imagine, Sachin gone at that stage and we probably would have seen Pakistan winning the WC. Oh well, why would I want that :)

Posted by smithy.nottingham on (January 31, 2013, 22:24 GMT)

Having seen some of the shocking decisions made by local umpires in the recent India v England ODI series, I can fully understand why the BCCI wants to keep DRS as far away from their umpires as possible.

India doesn't want to play if no DRS? No problem. Just don't invite them. Nobody likes a rich bully.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 31, 2013, 22:20 GMT)

India continues to hold the game back on DRS. For the last five years they've been acting like a stubborn old bloke who can't accept positive and necessary change- just because their test team is odds-on to at least make a 3 figure score in an innings without the use of it. The BCCI is stuck in another era. Just because they control the purse strings doesn't mean they can go against self-evident logic, and continue to frustrate the rest of the cricketing world.

Posted by omar_choudhary on (January 31, 2013, 22:18 GMT)

I bet this is the Indian cricket team's excuse for 0-8 losing streak they are on. BCCI needs to be told to shutup. They think without India, the world will like collapse or something...

Posted by drinks.break on (January 31, 2013, 22:16 GMT)

@DeckChairand6pack, what's your idea of a consensus? In most spheres of life, a consensus doesn't mean 100% unanimity, but a significant enough degree of agreement that the reasonable course of action is to follow the new proposal. I would have thought that 12 out of 13 parties agreeing to something would constitute a strong consensus.

Posted by Temuzin on (January 31, 2013, 22:01 GMT)

DRS is not going to end controversy unless upires/ third umpire using it properly and in right earnest. Look what happened with Srilanka during T-20 and ODIs against Australia about continuing a game affected by rain. Srilankan team was peeved off by the logic umpires used to cancel one ODI game (favoring Australia) and not cancelling another in similar conditions ( again favoring Australia). Ask Sri Lankan players how they felt? They had verbal spate with everyone even during hand shake. Harmony has given examples of Dravid and KP being victims of the DRS applied wrongly and these facts beg that standards of the umpiring is begging to be improved. Because I understand mistakes of onfield umpire but I dont pardon blunders of third umpire with all available technology to their disposal. Unless that is improved India must oppose mandatory use of DRS.

Posted by Lahori92 on (January 31, 2013, 22:01 GMT)

Srinivasan says techonolgy can be manipulated, he is spot on because techonolgy was manipulated during the2011 world cup semi final between pakistan and india when tendulkar was given out lbw by ian gould, that was the doosra bowled by ajmal, didn't any one see the horror on goulds face when the decision was reversed.

Posted by Fisher23 on (January 31, 2013, 21:53 GMT)

I think the ICC should call India's bluff: Enforce DRS for every international match and let them pull out of every series... Watch their world rankings plummet because they don't play any games... Perhaps when the fans are asking why there's no international cricket in India anymore then the BCCI will understand who their ridiculous stance affects the most?

Posted by Snick_To_Backward_Point on (January 31, 2013, 21:51 GMT)

Let India pull out. The series against them are pointless these days anyway. As far as I'm concerned India, long term, is going to drag the noble game of cricket into the mud anyway. I;d rather see a fit, healthy competition amongst countries singing from the same sheet than a country flexing its financial muscles for the sake of stubborness, ego and to coerce ineptitude.

Posted by ritearmover on (January 31, 2013, 21:45 GMT)

I really don't understand why India is opposed to the DRS. Yes, its not perfect but it is a significant improvement over what exists today. Moreover, once it is put in play, ongoing usage will increase the pace of its improvement. We will be in a better position to identify areas of improvement.

I am an Indian but do not feel the need to join the many Indians who instinctively support the Indian team irrespective of whether or not it makes sense. To be honest, I do not really understand the objection here.

Posted by Kristy on (January 31, 2013, 21:30 GMT)

DRS is okay.. but if its going to use only one time (per team) in one day match and 3 times in Test inning what is the use of it.. what after that...

Posted by reality_check on (January 31, 2013, 21:24 GMT)

Typical BCCI like a spoiled brat. Refuse to play when they don't get their way. More pathetic are the other boards apart from ECB who did not even stand up to BCCI.

Posted by maidenshazza on (January 31, 2013, 21:12 GMT)

Danidu - I think your stretching the truth a little bit, as if to say that either no other captain has blamed the pitch or the umpires decision for a loss or all MSD does is blame the pitch and umpires for every loss. Both statements are false and there seems to be a bit of bitterness in what you had to say. Having said that, the ICC have just shown themselves to be spineless. Choosing to go with revenue grabbing rather than the good of the game. If India were to pull out of a few series, ban them from all competition for a year, until they are ready to play by the rules. It shouldn't matter what their views are cause the rules are not set up only to be liked.;

Posted by Chris_P on (January 31, 2013, 21:12 GMT)

'Srinivasan's concerns are understood to still centre on a belief that the technology could be easily manipulated and is unreliable" Um, the fact the elite umpires panel want it means nothing to you? And the human error factor isn't an issue here? And the offering of bribes to umpires in the past didn't happen? "Could be manipulated"?? Tap tap, .. hurry up, the 21st century has already arrived!

Posted by penagamuri on (January 31, 2013, 21:10 GMT)

i am enjoying the helplessness of the people who are jealous about the power and money that my country has over the gentle man's game. Its such empowering and proud moment that CA, ECB, CSA all together could not alter india's decision. What goes around comes around (India were treated bad initially when we became a test playing nation).... Kudos Justin timberlake... BCCI is the USA of cricket ....

Posted by Paras.Rishi on (January 31, 2013, 21:09 GMT)

This is our show so obviously we make the rules. It's quite evident to see some frustrated fans who can't accept the might of BCCI.

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 21:08 GMT)

How is India always able to exert so much influence? Look it the INTERNATIONAL Cricket Council, not the INDIAN Cricket Council. Only England stood up? I am a West Indian and I am ashamed of the rest. Come on, good or bad, surely the majority still rules right? Isn't that purpose for democracy? If India doesn't want to follow the rules and dictates of the ICC, then let them play alone. Sure they have money, but lets see how long that lasts when they are only able to play themselves!

Posted by Gamaraala on (January 31, 2013, 21:07 GMT)

BCCI in cricket is like US in world politics... If BCCI think that the technology is manipulative, why doesn't it invest on improving the technology? It's is the most profitable board, isn't it? Many cricket boards receive considerable amount of money by sending their players to IPL. IMO, those cricket boards are afraid that their players wouldn't be picked, if they stand against BCCI in UDRS matter. ICC cannot afford to boycott BCCI/India, neither can any of the other countries but that doesn't give BCCI the right to play big boss.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 31, 2013, 20:59 GMT)

@bigdhonifan on (January 31 2013, 16:41 PM GMT) If you're saying ECB is supporting this because it's British technology , then why are Aus,SA,Pak,SL,WI and NZ also supporting it if it's just a case of supporting British technology? And re "No way any board hurts IPL. NZ, SA, ACB, SLC, WI all earn handsfull of money as royality from IPL by allowing theor players" - I thought it was the individual players who earned from IPL and not the boards? Also , do you not think IPL would suffer if all international boards withdrew their star players? It probably will never happen and the main reason Eng players are banned is because it clashes with their domestic season.

Posted by Dashgar on (January 31, 2013, 20:59 GMT)

DRS is terrible for the game. Makes the umpires look bad while failing time after time to reach the correct decision anyway. Lets let the BCCI have this one. The game will be better for it.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 31, 2013, 20:59 GMT)

@Sports4Youth (, 18:10 PM GMT) Re expense , would the host nation not finance it?

@gsingh7 (18:00 PM) re "why people commenting here without thinking" - I've always wondered that myself. Please give us all an insight

@Sathya Narayana Peraboina (, 17:38 PM) Renier Potgieter (18:04 PM) One thing I will say is that it's early days. No other boards have made a stand at this stage , but does that mean they won't? I could be wrong here but I see others following suit

@KingOwl o (, 17:40 PM) You make fair points re the money side of it. So I wonder if some boards may join ECB's stance (maybe like Aus/SA) and some will not (maybe NZ - no disrespect meant to NZ cricket

@csent on (, 17:49 PM GMT) As someone else already put , 100% error free is not possible right now and may never be possible. But is it not better to go along with technology which is better than umpiring alone in the meantime?

Posted by VickGower on (January 31, 2013, 20:58 GMT)

One would like to think that the DRS debacles during India's tour of England in 2011 were an aberration. But as we find out from the NZ/SA series, nothing has changed. All that ICC and technology lovers therein have achieved is an incomplete system, ineptly implemented and managed, that is gutting the on-field umpiring because umpires are learning to lean on it. Aleem Dar used to be a perfectly competent umpire. He is a joke now. Why in the world would you take on the massive cost of DRS when all it does is move the controversies to the third umpire? Let's first do away with the ongoing blunders of DRS. Let's first have a few series where the obvious blunders of onfield umpiring are not replaced by obvious blunders of third umpires using DRS.

Posted by jhabib on (January 31, 2013, 20:58 GMT)

I believe DRS is a good addition to the support. After all umpires are human and mistakes happen - DRS provides players the opportunity to challenge a decision that they feel was erroneous.

DRS does not take anything away from the game. Most decisions are taken within minutes and given the length of the game do not create a significant obstruction.

India seems to be one team that has consistently benefited from the lack of DRS in home conditions. Take the recent England series, where English batsmen were wrongly declared out at a few occasions whereas the Indian batsmen survived.

Resisting DRS then seems to be a symptom of fear for India in that their weakness might be exposed. Does Srinavasan really think that technology can be manipulated to wrongfully give Indian batsmen out in the matter of minutes? Do we really have that kind of video editing prowess?

I believe that all nations should adopt DRS and refuse to play India if they do not follow suit.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 31, 2013, 20:57 GMT)

I wonder if all this is about to come to a head. What I like is some of the comments which seem to imply that Indian fans should back BCCI because they are representing Indian cricket and shouldn't back UK developed technology. I'd say fine but have India developed anything as good/better or at all to offer? Obviously India are in their rights to make this stance but personally I'd like to host countries (if they feel that strongly about DRS) show it by refusing to entertain India and any series where India (as the away side) refuse to play gets awarded to the home side with India deducted points. My main point though is that India don't seem to have offered any ideas of their own

Posted by Malti65 on (January 31, 2013, 20:50 GMT)

@ follow_on_now :

Such errors have happened even with the DRS in place. And worst also. In anycase if the umpires make some mistakes then eventually it gets levelled out as some will be in your favor and some will be against you. This is a gentlemens game and it has been played like this for about 150 years.

In the elite panel there are umpires who have accuracy rate of upto 97% . Isnt that good enough. The ICC should spend money on increasing the standard of umpiring world wide. That is the real solution and not some stupid and dumb technology which is beyond any questioning.


Posted by LovesASkier on (January 31, 2013, 20:48 GMT)

Same old, same old, India believing they run the world of cricket! Why doesn't the ICC just make it mandatory? All countries bar India must be in favour of using it, as it used to the full extent in most series except when India are involved!!

Posted by VickGower on (January 31, 2013, 20:48 GMT)

Exhibit #2 of, let's call it, FDRS (F for Farcical):

"McLaren to Neesham, OUT, that looks plumb lbw and the umpire agrees! Neesham isn't convinced though and he's asked for a review. McLaren bowled the ball in the blockhole from round the wicket and hit Neesham on the boot as he played across the line. That looks pretty adjacent, the ball would have gone on to clip leg stump. But the predictive replays show it would have gone on to hit middle! That is bizarre. Definitely not hitting middle. Leg stump, yes."

Posted by Nutcutlet on (January 31, 2013, 20:43 GMT)

@Harmony111: I am taken with your analogy. It works, but not in the way you think it does. DRS IS the seat belt! Without it expect to get severely injured in the car crash! The seat belt has been improved & now it is so much better than no seat belt at all (BCCI's position) that all sane & logical arguments are over & done with. Let's all wear seat belts & prevent the vast majority of accidents of yesteryear (or earlier this month!). Did you think that the umpiring in the matches v England was accident-free? Could most of those 'accidents' have been avoided with the aid of technology? I am sure that you can see the sense in it, being from a technologically informed society.

Posted by Malti65 on (January 31, 2013, 20:40 GMT)

Regarding the Sachin dismissal against Ajmal, I still remember the umpires reaction to the DRS decision. He touched his forehead in ammusement. Even Ajmal was shocked. It is there on youtube. I have seen it several times. SACHIN WAS PLUMB. But the faulty Hawke eye overturned the decision. Those who dont agree with me are free to criticise me, but please do so after watching that delivery carefully on youtube.

Yes on that occasion it saved Sachin. But not because it was good, but becuase it was flawed. And if I find it flawed I will oppose it. The Sachin case cannot be used as a bribe against the indians. It only proves that the system is flawed or can be manupulated.

Posted by Sameer-hbk on (January 31, 2013, 20:40 GMT)

I will make the same point I made last time people talked about this issue and how it would be 'choice of the home board'. Why is it not compulsory and why will the ICC not pay for it? Why has it not been standardized (as in either all teams use 'hot spot' or no one does)? If ICC neither has the money nor the number of hot-spot cameras for simultaneous matches that happen at times across the world, then they should just drop the idea till they can get them.

I do not know one other top sports body which allows participants to "CHOOSE" the playing conditions and rules. What next? Can host nations approve use of bigger bats, smaller grounds or maybe 7 T20s, 5 ODIs and 1 Test match series instead of 4 Test Series? Cos if that provision is there then our very own Srinivasan and MSD would like to be informed plz.

Posted by Leggie on (January 31, 2013, 20:38 GMT)

Ian Chappel in a recent article in cricinfo quite rightly pointed to the limitations with the current DRS in place. So, there is nothing wrong if BCCI opposes DRS in its entirety. Are we not living in a democratic world to oppose something that we don't believe in? If other countries are so miffed at BCCI's stance, they too have the right to decide if they want to play with India or not. Why is there so much hue & cry that India does not want DRS? If there are 8 other Test playing nations ready to play cricket using DRS, let them peacefully play the game they want it to be played. No one is going to stop it.

Posted by Philip_Gnana on (January 31, 2013, 20:34 GMT)

Hey, why is there such a fuss about DRS? Surely the umpires can get it 100% right all the time? Look at India at cricket. They get it 100% right. They win all their test matches, ODI, T20s....... the BCCI are 100% correct all the time.......well......you know what I mean. Philip Gnana, Surrey.

Posted by Malti65 on (January 31, 2013, 20:31 GMT)

Some poeple will just go on arguing in favor of the hawke eye owners. They dont realise that the technology is not error free. It has too many limitations and errrors and also can be manupulated. So just forget it and play cricket in its true spirit.


Posted by AayKay007 on (January 31, 2013, 20:30 GMT)

I dont understand what people mean when they say Boycott or Ban India. India itself proposed to walk away if other boards agreed, all others had to do was say yes we want to implement it and BCCI would have been boycotted by itself.. But guess what, no board had the courage to do so since money is bigger than 2 overturned decisions per match..

Also, I might be completely wrong here, but why is ICC so hell bent upon introducing DRS immediately? Is it possible that ICC might be getting certain 'benefits' from the companies that stand to profit from this decision? And is that why BCCI is saying that there is monopoly in technology since they cannot have an Indian company provide the tech for their home games?

I dont think BCCI is so stupid to simply oppose DRS.. there has to be some money angle involved in it... The tech companies approached the wrong board with their 'proposal' i guess.. :-)

Posted by Malti65 on (January 31, 2013, 20:27 GMT)

@ ManThes Pm :

I agree with you that since cricket was played for more than 100 years without DRS, so it can still be played. India is already proving that. The elite panel umpires are doing a fine job. The ICC should invest money on improving umpiring standards across the world, instead of feeding huge amounts of money to a single guy.

Posted by TripleCenturian on (January 31, 2013, 20:26 GMT)

So Srinivasan thinks DRS is unreliable and can be manipulated? And how many errors did the umpires in the recent India v England test series make that DRS would have corrected swiftly! I think the human umpire makes more mistakes and is probably more prone to manipulation than DRS in any form. DRS is there to cut out the shockers and the howlers and borderline decisions stay with the man in the middle. Players prefer it as it means they get better decisions. One classic example of when DRS may have altered a career of a player was the Pakistani keeper Zulquarnain Haider who was given out in the second innings of his debut match for what would have been a pair on test debut

Posted by TobyTee on (January 31, 2013, 20:23 GMT)

Time for some real investigative journalism here, because the arguments are so well rehearsed and powerful that the BCCI must have another agenda - perhaps one with a financial motive? The benefits to the sport are clear and logical, India is a lone voice and yet other boards fear voicing their opposition so what gives? Someone is going to uncover a story that has nothing to do with sporting principles and everything to do with corporate greed. Where is the news of the world when you need it (never thought I' say that!!!)

Posted by Natesan333 on (January 31, 2013, 20:19 GMT)

I think many people are missing reason behind why BCCI is against a mandatory DRS. Some give ridiculous reasons like it will work against Indian players, its technology folks, it's not going to work against one country vs. another!! The real reason is MONEY. Most of the boards cannot afford DRS, remember the Pak, SL series, did they have DRS? No, why because these boards cannot afford it. Now if DRS is made mandatory then guess who ultimately pays for it, you got it, it is the good old BCCI. So why BCCI should approve of something, that they believe is not very accurate AND pay for it also?

p.s please stop saying ban India etc., it's just a suicidal tendency.

Posted by baskar_guha on (January 31, 2013, 20:18 GMT)

I have maintained that while video replay aspects of DRS are okay, hotspot and hawkeye are science projects that have no place in cricket and frankly never should have been brought in hastily by misguided administrators. I also believe umpires should figure out by themselves when to use video replays and when not to use it and let players play and appeal as they always have. I am certain India will be okay with this use of the review system.

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 20:18 GMT)

How can you allow India to dictate to other countries. Let them pull out altogether. They can keep on playing IPL like an old record. They want to ruin players representing other countries, dictate to the rest of us. We read the remarks made by Indian ladies team how shoddily they are treated by the BCCI. Leave them like a lump and let us get on playing good cricket. The idea is to improve the game not ruin it.

Posted by Malti65 on (January 31, 2013, 20:17 GMT)

@ MrMinotaur :

re: your comment that England should refuse to tour or host India.

Go ahead, and do it at your own peril. India is the super power in Cricket. England will be at a loss if they do it. Gone are the days when England & Australia would bully the rest of the world and have their way. Mr.Srinivasan is right. The present technology is not fool proof. So many elite umpires have testified to this fact. Some umpires have even threatened to quit their jobs if DRS is implemented. What is the point in having hot spot when it fails to register slight knicks. Also if the batsman goes on the front foot the bat or the batsman goes out of range of the camera and they fail to provide any evidence. Also hawk-eye is nonesense. You cannot predict the height or swing of the ball after it pitches.

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 20:14 GMT)

How can you allow India to dictate to other countries. Let them pull out altogether. They can keep on playing IPL like an old record. They want to ruin players representing other countries, dictate to the rest of us. We read the remarks made by Indian ladies team how shoddily they are treated by the BCCI. Leave them like a lump and let us get on playing good cricket. The idea is to improve the game not ruin it.

Posted by drakennz on (January 31, 2013, 20:07 GMT)

I'm all for DRS, but I still think Hawkeye should be removed, hot spot, snicko and replays all do a great job, but I've seen way too many random Hawkeye decisions - I think that's been BCCI's point too if I'm not mistaken, they're happy with DRS, just not Hawkeye.

Posted by Sports4Youth on (January 31, 2013, 20:07 GMT)

@ Harmony111 :

Fully agreed. Even I am not in favor of the DRS system. It simply aims at divesting a lot of power to a fixed group of indivisuals, who will then become beyond any questioning. Already so many flaws in the DRS system have been exposed. These guys are just pushing hard for it because they will stand to gain a lot of money from it. And if the technology is not implemented (or scrapped) then they will loose all the investment in the technology and patent rights expenses.

Posted by CamS71 on (January 31, 2013, 20:06 GMT)

gsingh7 @ 18:00 PM GMT - "why people commenting here without thinking"

Bit rich considering how inane & unthinking your posts are. Read your post again You basically acknowledge the BCCI are being bullies & are fine with it. Democracy a term you're not familiar with then?

DRS may not be perfect - what in life is - but it is an improvement. The so called manipulation you whinge on about is a red herring & doesn't in fact exist in any tangible inference. Yes the rules on its use need refining & I would add snicko to the technology cabal (as it helps where hot-spot struggles). Plus the more it's used the more it will improve & BTW, it is pretty much universally trusted in tennis.

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 20:05 GMT)

After today, I better do not see Indian captain pointing fingers at umpire for not being 100% correct on field. Even more, Indian fans you have lost right to complain about any kind of umpiring mistakes. If you have problem go say it to BCCI. I am sure even one mistake by umpire in Aus v. Ind series will bring worst out of Indian media and Indian fans (most of them) in saying crap about umpiring. Yeah technology is no 100% correct so BCCI dont want to use it. Umpires don't make 100% correct decisions either, so you will take umpires out of the game too, and yeah umpires cost money too. I think in near future we will have players making all the calls, just like street cricket.

Posted by heartbreakerz on (January 31, 2013, 20:04 GMT)

but indians are still the first to moan when a decision goes against them n bash d umpires although they themselves struggle to provide a single decent umpire...

Posted by TheNick on (January 31, 2013, 20:03 GMT)

BCCI is run by businessmen and undoubtedly they are really good at making and saving money. Some valid points are being ignored by this bashing in majority of comments: 1. Technologies used for DRS are outsourced to the companies who developed it and they will have complete control over it and not the ICC. (that is where the concern of manipulation comes up ) 2. It's very expensive and current usage rules doesn't justify its cost. Number of reviews are limited. Blunders made after exhausting reviews can not be corrected anyhow.

Posted by MAN_AT_WORK on (January 31, 2013, 20:02 GMT)

All the(9) ICC full nation should give up playing cricket !!

Posted by Sports4Youth on (January 31, 2013, 20:01 GMT)

In anycase in the present DRS rules only two referals are allowed per innings. Then why this huge expense?

Also if the ball is clipping the stumps then the decision remains with the umpire and the appealing side looses a referal. What is there fault if the ball was clipping the stumps ? Even if the replays are inconclusive still the appealing side looses one referal. This is nonesense. Instead of promoting fair results, the DRS system follows the old principle of have sufficient evidence to overturn a decision and often the technology fails to provide sufficient evidence this way or that way.

After incurring so much expense if the decision hardly changes or even gives flawed results then the good old system of playing in the spirit of the game and respectiing the umpires decision should still hold good.

Posted by Sports4Youth on (January 31, 2013, 20:01 GMT)

I fully agree with N.Srinivasan that this technology can be easily manupulated & is unreliable. The projection of bounce and swing is nonesense. We have seen that so many fine edges are not detected on the hot spot technology. The good old snickometer was much better. Also it is unreasonably expensive.

The service providers have a monopoly on the patents of the technology, this will make them gods in the game and players and umpires will become mere puppets. The idea of having an elite panel of ICC umpires is doing just fine. Atleast there is a healthy competition among the umprires to perform well.

Dhoni & Tendulkar are right in opposing the technology.

Posted by Digimont on (January 31, 2013, 19:59 GMT)

It seems sadly that the only thing that will resolve this issue is if touring sides boycott India.

Posted by TrueFactors on (January 31, 2013, 19:58 GMT)

Lets have creative and productive thoughts here. Not any prejudiced ones..

In current system, I am totally against DRS process.

Reasons: (1) Why limit of two? They are always used by best players. (2) DRS make umpires careless. So, once your chances are utilized, umpires are allowed to make errors. When you need correct answers, you do not get it. (3) Why umpires can not call DRS? If they have any doubt, they should use it at will. (4) Often, we saw bowl swings ridiculously in tracking. Ball is obviously leaving stumps, or going above it, and DRS saw them hitting stumps on top or sometimes in middle. Often, deflections are ridiculously wrong. (5) Hotspot and snicko are good, but not clean. Plus, service providers monopoly is no good.

DRS is not required. Keep it simple. Use replays as much as possible.. If you see umpire's decision is wrong (out or not out), then revert those decisions. That's it.

What is wrong in that? Why so complicated?

Posted by Albert_cambell on (January 31, 2013, 19:55 GMT)

With or without DRS they will continue to maintain their awesome record in overseas. After the SA tour their 8-0 record will become 11-0. This will bring more shame on their fans. No team can match team india. Because no team has lost 8-0 in overseas.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 31, 2013, 19:53 GMT)

@luks: The context here is about bilateral series. BCCI does participate in ICC torunaments even though DRS is used there cos the majority wants it that way. But when it comes to a bilateral series it is a matter between the touring board and the home board - it is 50-50 here. So how does the home board necessarily have his say?

Board A says they want DRS and Board B says No Way. Board A insists and Board B says they will withdraw. But look at it from the other side. Board B says No DRS and Board A says no series without DRS. Now it is up to you to say if Board A is being rigid or Board B.

As for BCCI being an agent for ppl and not being democratic enough, how do you know for sure what the millions of Ind fans want? In fact, how do you know what the ppl of the pro-DRS boards want? There is a reason why the concept of Republics is used in conjunction with Democracies. BCCI->India is that mapping.

Posted by Factotum1 on (January 31, 2013, 19:45 GMT)

The DRS is not as reliable as it is projected to be. Please do not forget empires are human and things happen very quickly. Seems like Indian board some how felt too bad about the DRS. When players like Tendulkar we can use the technology in a limited way. Only the decision that look 100% correct in DRS can be proposed to be used. Introduce the technology slowly and get the acceptance.

Posted by Se-Cricket on (January 31, 2013, 19:44 GMT)

It is one thing to deny that BCCI is really power in matters of Cricket and it is another thing to blame BCCI for a stance that they believe is necessary.

I am a Pakistani team follower but I agree with the BCCI to make SURE and GUARANTEE that these technologies cannot be manipulated by the people who are responsible to present the findings of the technology to 3rd umpire who makes the final decision.

I have observed on multiple occasions that clarity and quality of evidence presented to the 3rd umpires varies depending on which team has called for the review.

I believe that BCCI cannot trust the companies who run these technologies and the BCCI wants to rule out any fowl play by outsiders before they will allow for any overruling authority for outsider company over the on-field umpires by presenting falsified evidence to the 3rd umpire.

On this issue I stand with the BCCI.

Posted by CamS71 on (January 31, 2013, 19:39 GMT)

Shameful of the BCCI who are just plain wrong on this issue but a too stubborn to admit it & are very undemocratically throwing their weight about & pathetically spineless by all the other boards - bar the ECB - for not standing up to them. The ACB in particular should be ashamed. Never would I have thought the Aussies to be so timed.

Posted by torsha on (January 31, 2013, 19:38 GMT)

Great step by BCCI and also other countries except England. Enjoy the game with natural sources rather than lucrative technology. And people who are talking about banning India, focus on your own country otherwise you will not see your country playing cricket again.

Posted by hugo88 on (January 31, 2013, 19:37 GMT)

I'm no longer going to wear my seatbelt when I drive my car. It's not 100% effective as people still die in car crashes when they wear them. It's also easily manipulated by someone wanting to make it unclip when I break heavily. Obviously I'm better off without my seatbelt because of these flaws. Get a grip BCCI and help improve this technology by using it and then providing constructive feedback - maybe you can help implement a better system of using the reviews which actually removes the howlers not panders to players' egos, but you can't even do that until you start using the system in its current form!

Posted by bobmartin on (January 31, 2013, 19:35 GMT)

Funny how the ICC can agree on making T20 competition time available in schedules, but something like making DRS the responsibility of the home nation seems beyond them.. Why should the away team in a series be able to dictate the playing conditions in the host nation. What next ? The distance of the boundaries... which balls to use... the preparation of the pitches... which grounds will be used...Maybe that's the ultimate aim of the BCCI...to have 100% control over world cricket... Well it seems they're 99.9% there already... so watch this space.

Posted by DeckChairand6pack on (January 31, 2013, 19:33 GMT)

Following the Proteas I have seen DRS employed often. While it hasn't avoided all controversy, on the whole I think most fans from teams supporting DRS are ok with it. I certainly would not contemplate a return to the dark ages having to reply on the umpire alone. That said, the cricketing world is a small one, and we cannot afford to alienate anyone. We will just need to keep talking until consensus of some sort is achieved, it is way too early to draw a line in the sand.

Posted by danidu on (January 31, 2013, 19:30 GMT)

Why? So they can keep blaming the umpires and everyone else apart from themselves when they lose a game? India is a very successful and talented side but when they do lose its always everyone else's fault. Either its a bad pitch (i.e. not a flat batting track), or the umpire made a mistake (they only make mistakes when India is playing, and always only ever against them). LOL Takes the concept of being up one-self to a whole new level

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 19:26 GMT)

Who is India? If they do not want modern technology in the game let them stay with their money. Let them play tests only in India an put them in the category of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe etc. Do you know how stupid it looks when replays are trying to show an LBW decisin or a caught behind without DRS or even SNICKO? There's absolutely nothing you can see or understand. I hope the other nations vote for DRS and stop India from controlling cricket. DRS is necessary. It may have small flaws but at least the game will be 80-90% correct and fair. The crowd wants fairness. In addition DRS needs to be in the hands of the umpire and not the palyers. Cause 2 reviews per inngs of say 140 overs is ridiculous.

Posted by vakkaraju on (January 31, 2013, 19:23 GMT)

The ECB and the ICC should call the bluff. Let BCCI withdraw from their tour of England and other countries. ICC should take the vote and implement the DRS. Let BCCI decide if it is happy with the domestic tournaments and IPL, and continue to rake in money. ICC is democracy. The majority should win. If BCCi wants to be sore loser, so be it.

Posted by icknid on (January 31, 2013, 19:22 GMT)

I think DRS is a reasonable technology that should be endorsed by the BCCI as well as the Indian players. I think Ian Chappell's suggestion is good where DRS could be left in the control of the umpires rather than strategic queries from players. India's misguided non-acceptance of DRS should be sensibly discussed in such forums. However, I am afraid it has given yet another platform for those who appear to blame India for all of cricket's problems. It's quite easy to read between the lines the motives behind some of the anti-Indian sentiments, and they have little to do with cricket.

Posted by sharidas on (January 31, 2013, 19:20 GMT)

I do not think any player or umpire had any issues about decisions made on the field of play. But, once TV entered the scene, the public could see umpiring mistakes, which in the old times were gracefully accepted by all. So, the DRS is the need of the watching public and has nothing to do with the players. Just because DRS is brought into play does not mean that any team would have an advantage. It just would reduce the possibilities of mistakes by the umpires, even though its not fool proof. The day is not far when the ball or bat would have sensors installed to detect a snick. I am an old timer and prefer decisions made by the umpires, but the new generation want changes and thats what will dictate things.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 31, 2013, 19:13 GMT)

India are stuck in the stone age of cricket. There's no viable reason why they shouldn't accept DRS, the only reason is that bad umpiring continues to help India be half-competitive against the top teams like England and SA. Shameful.

Posted by davidatlas999 on (January 31, 2013, 19:13 GMT)

@Harmony111 the point is its not just effect other teams its doing the same to indian team as you said cook was out.the problem is its a new world right now in a live match they are showing it with 25 cameras angle so every one seeing what is happening in the middle so every team fans which get a wrong umpiring will show their anger.now captains is also doing that like some one said we had to out two three more wickets. Why we are doing it okay dont go with current drs use simple cameras where we can repaire make some clear mistake. Sorry for my weak english.

Posted by kalyanbk on (January 31, 2013, 19:10 GMT)

Do you know why most of the countries stood silent? If DRS had been approved, the cost of implementing DRS in every match has to be borne by the home board. Many of the home boards are bankrupt and cannot afford that cost and will in turn have to ask the BCCI for funds.

Posted by AK47_pk on (January 31, 2013, 19:09 GMT)

Just check the wickets taken by imdian bowlers in last 2 odi series against pak nd england..almost 60% wickets were gifted by umpires. How can BCCI accept drs when they know their bowlers wud struggle to get wickets without umpires help

Posted by Stark62 on (January 31, 2013, 19:05 GMT)


Then maybe they should play against countries like Bang, Zimb, Scot, Ire and Afg because they need exposure and a full member team they can beat.

They'll roll over to the bcci's demands because they know they have a far greater chance of beating Ind than SA, Eng, Aus, Pak, SL, Nz or WI's.

Posted by Eclipse0990 on (January 31, 2013, 19:03 GMT)

Well most of the people bashing BCCI here do not understand that it was all the boards who decided to NOT take a stand. Its not BCCI's fault entirely. If they considered cricket bigger than one board, they would have stood for DRS. Why did they not? So anyone who is saying that BCCI bullied every other board, please go and ask your respective cricket boards why they backed off!

Posted by shripadk on (January 31, 2013, 19:01 GMT)

Frankly if DRS is to be used, it needs complete change. We saw how useless it was to eliminate howlers in 2 recent series back to back. In its current form, DRS cannot even rule out all the howlers. It should be kept simple. Give power to 3rd umpire to over rule any howler any time during the game. That is the only way this technology can be fairly used in the game of cricket. Having just 1 appeal is pathetic excuse to have DRS to eliminate howlers in ODI. Same is the case with Test where an innings can stretch over multiple days.

I am with BCCI on this one. In its current form DRS can create more controversies instead of getting rid of howlers. And is often misused by top order batsman, not to mention 50-50 decisions getting changed. Give technology to umpires and BCCI will not and cannot object to it.

Posted by landl47 on (January 31, 2013, 18:59 GMT)

Shame on the ICC and the heads of every cricket board except England for not telling India that this is how it's going to be. Like all bullies, India will back down the moment the decision is announced. The outcry from cricket supporters if India suddenly found itself playing no international cricket at all and the reaction of sponsors to India's withdrawal would force the BCCI to change its policy and accept the DRS.

It's a joke to have people on here talking about bad umpiring decisions. There's only one way to know if an umpire's decision is bad and that's to use the very technology that is being claimed by India as unreliable. Claims of manipulation are nonsense, the whole purpose of the DRS is to involve more than one person in the decision. Over 90% of all decisions are easy to see.

Give the power to make decisions to the three umpires using whatever technology is available. If the BCCI doesn't like it, too bad. See how quickly they'll cave in if their bluff is called.

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 18:58 GMT)

what are the chances of BCCI accepting DRS in next 10-15 years when the patent ends and technology becomes public domain

Posted by CricFan78 on (January 31, 2013, 18:58 GMT)

Brilliant stand by BCCI/Srinivasan. The current implementation of DRS is a joke. Why is predictable part of hawkeye required when DRS is only meant for howlers? Why is DRS review in hands of players when umpires are the judges? Why does ICC keep claiming every year that technology is improving? If it is improving why force it down on us? Why doesnt ICC pay for DRS if they are so keen to implement it? So many questions and zilch answers. The only thing we have is Giles Clarke lobbying for Sky.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 31, 2013, 18:48 GMT)

@davidatlas999: Hard for me to figure out your point there. If Ind lost 0-8 despite of DRS what does it mean? One could argue that in the Eng tour RD was given out wrongly a few times + KP's OUT was overturned even though DRS did not have conclusive evidence to do that. So Ind could say what's the point of DRS if you give such decisions. And IIRC Cook was actually OUT a few times during his batting in the 4 tests when he got a fav one from umpires + twice unlucky in the 4th Test so India could say not using DRS is still hurting them so what's your point?

BCCI using or not using DRS has nothing to do with India winning or not winning.

Its a bit like a salesman telling me about a new seat-belt that would cost me a bomb and is guaranteed to be 10% better than the existing ones but each time I tried it I had one issue or the other. Why would I buy such a seat-belt? Just cos I should not oppose innovation?

Posted by voice_of_reason on (January 31, 2013, 18:47 GMT)

The losers will be the players, both India's "superstars" and those playing against them. Poor decisions will inevitably be made by umpires who are only human. Without being able to refer, the player could get dropped, the team could lose, the fans and media turn against them. Tempers flare, despite Srinivasan saying he prefers the tradition of accepting the umpire's decision as being the final word, and arguments rage, both on and off the field. Careers will hang in the balance and all for the sake of a referral that could have shown that there was a thick inside edge onto the pad, meaning it should not have been given LBW. The joke is, millions of tv viewers around the world will have seen within seconds that it shouldn't have been given, as will everyone at the ground. At least we can still take 5 minutes checking to see if the fielder touched the rope while diving to save a boundary.

Posted by deol84 on (January 31, 2013, 18:46 GMT)

If icc not stand against bcci then join them,what a weak cricket counsil.

Posted by natty_no_goals on (January 31, 2013, 18:44 GMT)

I have seen the words "unreliable" and "manipulative" mentioned quite a bit in relation to DRS and I am confused. I would like if someone you confirm if my take on these terms might be correct. 1. Where has it been ascertained that it is unreliable? Once the ball has struck the pad there is no way to absolutely prove where the ball would have gone for that instance - but I would personally assume that a sophisticated predictive model using a vast amount of input data of real deliveries going as far as the stumps has been used to output the DRS decisions. What is the accepted error rate for it? You can't baldly state "It is unreliable" just because you have a notion that it is unreliable. It seems trustworthy to me when I've watched it on the telly anyway. 2. How is it going to be manipulated? Is there going to be a guy somewhere removing a hotspot when a home batter is in, or removing one when an away batter is? Seriously? Seriously?

Posted by o-bomb on (January 31, 2013, 18:44 GMT)

Pretty poor from most of the countries here. What would have happened had everyone except India actually voted for it?

Posted by knight_in_cricket_gear on (January 31, 2013, 18:43 GMT)

I am an Indian supporter and I think our board has really gone overboard this time. This is nonsense.. And why have the other boards not shown the guts the ECB has shown and stood up to this? Just proves that all the others are just as bad.

Posted by hhillbumper on (January 31, 2013, 18:42 GMT)

Amazing that a country that has that much money mostly based on technology can be so anti technology.Lets face it if anyone will manipulate things it is BCCI.

Keep it up as we love watching you suffer through not using technology.

Posted by getsetgopk on (January 31, 2013, 18:41 GMT)

Have to agree with banning India all together from the sport. They are a bad influence on Test cricket, the real cricket with loosing test matches as if nothing has happened. 0-8 on consecutive tours and they didn't even break a sweat over. Cricket in this day and age with DRS is like driving a car with blind folds on. A minnow cricket nation should never be allowed to dictate terms like this. Venting frustration on DRS wont help, there was no DRS in the recentt ODI series and India still got a beating so why not adopt the technology and thus fair play.

Posted by bumsonseats on (January 31, 2013, 18:39 GMT)

never thought a icc proposal of a rule change need 100% approval iv heard of the member countries having a vote and the majority of that deciding the result.there again if it was never discussed or voted on well thats a dilemma makes one wonder why icc meetings are needed just wait for the bcci to pass any rule they want in the comfort of home

Posted by BobCo on (January 31, 2013, 18:35 GMT)

Pathetic. Self-interest continues to stand in the way of the progress of our beloved sport. Please, can someone remove Srinivasan from his position and replace him with someone with a more global vision? Cricket has been showing signs of cracking some other markets but if one board keeps muscling and bullying like this (pulling out of bilateral series? disgusting) then we'll see this great sport overtaken on the international stage by other, better managed sports. At this rate, I'm starting to think I should bet on tiddlywinks!!! The long term danger is that in this new, corporate world we live in, mis-managed sports will remain or be reduced to localised, isolated peculiarities. Maybe the BCCI wants cricket to really be only the national game of India...

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 18:33 GMT)

Its a shame for a country which professes itself to be the world champion in all formats of the game, from underarm to overarm. Seems that they are just counting on the umpires now to pull them through the world rankings. Because to err is human, and so you grab the chance. Pity that!! I think all boards should be brave enough and say yes, and then let this team decide against who all will they not play then.

Posted by The-Cricketer on (January 31, 2013, 18:33 GMT)

Reading all the comments. Its hard to understand why people from other nation is blamming BCCI..... They should blame their own management for not taking ANY stand whether to accept or not to accept.

I see only two team taking stand... ECB & BCCI... In my words, its not bullying by anyone.... its cowardly apporach which is an issue here.

P.S: The Indians are already upset with BCCI for not allowing DRS.

Posted by sanjaycrickfan on (January 31, 2013, 18:32 GMT)

BCCI has given lot to world cricket. BCCI contributes 85 % of revenue to ICC. If it isnt for the money generated from India, cricket would have long dead in countries like Sri Lanka, Pakistan, West Indies, New Zealand and other associate countries.

Posted by MiddleStump on (January 31, 2013, 18:31 GMT)

A moot point really which is probably why most of the other cricket boards did not bother to intervene in the discussion. The DRS has so far shown that umpiring decisions are accurate more than 90% of the time anyway. Further the DRS itself is not fool proof. Besides the current system of having 2 reviews per innings makes it a strategic tool that is exploited by some teams. If the intent is to improve the rate of correct decisions, it would be best to have the on field umpires ask for a review whenever they are in doubt and take the two teams completely out of the process.

Posted by WheresTheEmpire on (January 31, 2013, 18:31 GMT)

The question for the ICC is the same as for any parent. What to do with a naughty child that throws a tantrum every time it does not have its own way.

Posted by lonmar06 on (January 31, 2013, 18:28 GMT)

The biggest problem with the BCCI's stance on the DRS is the fact that their reasoning behind not liking it could be attibuted to the umpires as well because umpires can "be easily manipulated" and are also can be "unreliable". If Sachin Tendulkar was given out LBW by an umpire on 99 and replays showed a big edge or that the ball pitched well outside leg, I wonder where the BBCI would stand then.

Posted by Big_Chikka on (January 31, 2013, 18:28 GMT)

the technology isn't flawless, may never be perfect since we are dealing with projections etc BUT i do believe the Indian board is right to make a stand, and rather then reading the quietness of everybody else as a fear, which i highly doubt, the ecb and giles clarke should addresses the concerns to a point that it becomes acceptable. if people were quiet it's because they have concerns.

one other point to note is that the matter wasn't even on the agenda, don't blame anyone for not being ready for it!

Posted by csent on (January 31, 2013, 18:26 GMT)

Guys dont think that Indian cricket is depending on the other countries. It is the other side. Even if we dont play against other countries home or away, we have got IPL. Revenue of IPL is expected to be more than $1Billion in 10 years.

Agreed, we have players from the other countries in IPL. But those who comment from England, Pakistan and Bangladesh, just think how many players from your countries are playing in IPL. Last year Australia didnt telecast our IPL, but still we were in profit. Don't ever think that we depend on you countries. Cricket and India have great bond. Even without foreign players, we will watch cricket. Isolating India is a bad idea. We are not going to be loser. Don't think yourself too smart.

Guys dont think that we are arrogant. Just trying to help those who are in utopia to feel the reality.

Again, try to understand that BCCI is not against DRS. All we ask is error free DRS.

Posted by Samdanh on (January 31, 2013, 18:23 GMT)

Leave India alone to keep playing IPL among themselves. Let all other nations continue to paly international series in all formats under ICC. It is shame rest of the countries are not standing united. Money or less of it. Vote of majority should decide like in any democratic set up when such contentions continue despite all reasonable efforts. Isolate India. Things will turn around.

Posted by cricktwins on (January 31, 2013, 18:20 GMT)

@csk_greatest_of_all.. See which is better for cricket. Dont talk past,politics and rubbish..

Posted by Sports4Youth on (January 31, 2013, 18:19 GMT)

In anycase in the present DRS rules only two referals are allowed per innings. Then why this huge expense?

Also if the ball is clipping the stumps then the decision remains with the umpire and the appealing side looses a referal. What is there fault if the ball was clipping the stumps ? Even if the replays are inconclusive still the appealing side looses one referal. This is nonesense. Instead of promoting fair results, the DRS system follows the old principle of have sufficient evidence to overturn a decision and often the technology fails to provide sufficient evidence this way or that way.

After incurring so much expense if the decision hardly changes or even gives flawed results then the good old system of playing in the spirit of the game and respectiing the umpires decision should still hold good.


Posted by mmcarthy on (January 31, 2013, 18:16 GMT)

I think every board should say enough is enough, why different rules for different countries? If it was bangladesh, NZ or Pakistan. ICC would have stand up to them and banned them. Why India is let loose to do whatever they want. ICC STAND UP TO THEM

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (January 31, 2013, 18:16 GMT)

@Richardror: Ban India and say GOOD BYE to cricket as we KNOW it.

Posted by cricktwins on (January 31, 2013, 18:11 GMT)

Personally I agree with DRS without Hotspot.. I dont understand why bcci is so stubborn in using the technology. Without DRS there is lot of pressure on the umpires and so many incorrect decisions which can be easily corrected with reviewal system.In Recent india vs england series. Alistair cook, Yuvraj, KP, Gambhir were given out incorrectly..1st odi in rajkot, bell was struck plumb by bhuvi which was not given out by the umpire.. India has a very weak bowling resources and umpiring decisions(plumb lbws) are also not going in the favor of the bowlers.. Please somebody stop this bcci nonsense.. make DRS compulsary.. i am following cricket for 14 years and i feel DRS makes cricket better -indian fan..

Posted by Sports4Youth on (January 31, 2013, 18:10 GMT)

I fully agree with N.Srinivasan that this technology can be easily manupulated & is unreliable. The projection of bounce and swing is nonesense. We have seen that so many fine edges are not detected on the hot spot technology. The good old snickometer was much better. Also it is unreasonably expensive.

The service providers have a monopoly on the patents of the technology, this will make them gods in the game and players and umpires will become mere puppets. The idea of having an elite panel of ICC umpires is doing just fine. Atleast there is a healthy competition among the umprires to perform well.

Dhoni & Tendulkar are right in opposing the technology.


Posted by da_man_ on (January 31, 2013, 18:08 GMT)

As a Pakistani supporter, a DRS supporter, and not the biggest of fans of BCCI (clearly obvious), I have to agree with Sathya Narayana entirely. India and the BCCI have done nothing wrong in this instance. A proposal was put forward, they voted against it, as is their right. The fact that the rest of the teams all cowered behind the table and didn't have the courage to vote as they should have done. Since junior school I've always been taught NO ONE is bigger than the game. If the ICC don't like the BCCI stance on the matter, they should make an executive decision (which is their job) and decided yay or nay once and for all. I've had enough of this flip flopping and dragging of feet. ICC, grow a pair, or just hand over the reins of cricket to BCCI outright, so they can push their agendas at will.

Posted by mar2000 on (January 31, 2013, 18:07 GMT)

Now we see the POWER of certain Countries in World cricket . When the 2 bouncers per over was raised , it was because the WI had a 4 prong pace attack that the others did not have . The result was that they all voted for it leaving WI to fall in line .Now , if India is the only Country that object , let put it ot a vote . Is India the SUPER POWER in world Cricket ? . Is the ICC toothless when it comes to India . WE ALL SHALL SEE.

Posted by willsrustynuts on (January 31, 2013, 18:05 GMT)

Frankly Mr Shankly I could do without DRS (it makes a mockery of statistics for one) but not for the reasons the BCCI proffer.

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 18:04 GMT)

@Sathya: You're absolutely right, if the DRS is that important, the other boards should stand by their decision, not sit on the fence. However, I do believe that the DRS system is important in removing bad umpiring decisions from the game. It might not be perfect, but it's a step in the right direction!

Posted by Roger_Dodge on (January 31, 2013, 18:04 GMT)

Its quite obvious that Indian cricket wields a lot of power at the moment, and I'm sure some countries don't want to be seen disagreeing with their stand on DRS, regardless of the fact that it seems that most countries are, in fact, in favour of DRS.

Posted by Behind_the_Wicket on (January 31, 2013, 18:03 GMT)

I believe DRS is far better than Indian umpires.

Posted by acmdv1975 on (January 31, 2013, 18:03 GMT)

Umpires are as human as the people behind DRS. DRS is nothing more than an aid to Umpires, when Umpires use DRS correctly it works well. Only when Umpires don't understand the technology & what they are looking at do they forget the golden rule and make poor decisions:- When in doubt NOT OUT.

Test Match attendances are for the most part down in almost ALL countries with the exception of England home series & any Ashes Test. If India don't want to use DRS in Test Matches then they should relinquish their status as a Test playing nation. It's not like the stands were anywhere near full at ANY of the recent series they hosted.

The ICC should stop acting like a bunch of cowards and stop India holding the rest of the world to ransom over this issue. Either join the rest of us in the 21st century and get with the program or walk backwards to a non-test playing nation and let the rest of use get on with it.

Posted by brusselslion on (January 31, 2013, 18:02 GMT)

There really is an awful lot of nonsense being written here: 'Boycott India', 'Hawkeye is a British money making exercise', 'It doesn't work in Tennis' (Question: Why have players, fans, umpires accepted it then?), etc.

Hawkeye, Hotspot and other aids aren't perfect but as @RajitD points out: "Any technology which reduces the error margin should be welcome irrespective of whether it is foolproof or not." Whether this reduction in error is worth the extra cost is another matter; one for the bean counters.

I don't know what the mechanism would be for mandating the use of computer aids in all Tests. If a rule change has to be unanimously by all ICC executive members, then everyone might as well stop talking about the matter as the BCCI aren't going to change their minds anytime soon. If it's a simple majority decision then the other boards need to show a bit of backbone and risk upsetting the BCCI by voting in favour of the introduction of DRS.

Posted by Seamer_Singh on (January 31, 2013, 18:01 GMT)

Is the majority of the funding provided to the ICC from the BCCI? If so, it seems like they have a power hold because of this. Although they do have point that the use of DRS, which undermines the umpire's decision. If there is going to be DRS use it for ALL decisions and get rid of umpires otherwise get rid of DRS completely and trust the umpire. IMO get rid of DRS and leave it to the umpire. The controversial moments adds spice to the game!

Posted by gsingh7 on (January 31, 2013, 18:00 GMT)

why people commenting here without thinking. bcci dont want third party(hawk eye feed from a private company) to decide if indian batsmen are out or hotspot(again private company) to decide catches, these things can be manipulated . so icc level umpires are taken by bcci as norm and also why pay 70000$ per match? also fans of cricket must understand that india have more cricket fans than all world fans combined, and major source of income of many cricketers wud be ipl and indian tours with massive revenues provide money to many boards like wi and slc. so they cant leave india's bcci out of icc. that will be called professional-suicide.

Posted by SL_kamal on (January 31, 2013, 17:59 GMT)

If all other top test playing nations support the idea of using DRS, they can use it in all bilateral series not involving India. That will naturally push the worth of cricket involving India to a lower level.

Or else ICC has to come up with a strategy to make DRS financially beneficial to BCCI, which is the best solution to the problem.

Posted by GlobalCricketLover on (January 31, 2013, 17:54 GMT)

@sanjaycrickfan - cricket was played in olden days even without pads (forget helmets!). Are you suggesting we should do that now? Ever heard of the term 'evolution'?

Posted by maddy20 on (January 31, 2013, 17:53 GMT)

@keptalittlelow Others know what a failure the DRS is, especially in its current form. ECB and BCCI have had a history of locking horns on several issues. Besides if MCC can change the rules to balance the odds against them in ODIs(two bouncers per over, two new balls and the works) then BCCI is right to stand for what they believe in. Unlike England though we are not alone!

Posted by phani2012 on (January 31, 2013, 17:53 GMT)

Does anyone know the cost of implemeting full technology required for DRS is? It is an expensive affair; this should be taken in to account in decision making regarding DRS.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (January 31, 2013, 17:50 GMT)

Boycott India and the BCCI this is ridiculous even most Indian fans agree to DRS from reading the comments on here

Posted by csent on (January 31, 2013, 17:49 GMT)

@Those against BCCI: First try to understand that BCCI is not against DRS. All we want is 100% error free DRS. Hope you guys remember the england - india world cup match. Bell was plumb in front and when india asked for review, though all the indicators were red, the 2.5 metres rule gave life to the english batsman. Even the batsman knew he was plumb and started to walk towards pavilion. When ur DRS is not 100% correct, Why should we accept that? @Those who comment Indian players : We have won 2 ODI world cup. One in sub continent and the other one in your so called, great England. We have won world cups in both pace and spin track. How many world cup your country have won? We have won 20-20 world cup and been No 1 in test rank (not only in Ind, we won also in Aus, SA, WI, SL, PAK, Eng, NZ). So shut up. @Those speaking about the Indian umpires: We never said our umpires are the best.

And finally, "YES, WE ARE THE BOSS" (Atleast for this decade). That is the truth. Accept it.

Posted by NAZMO-CRICKFANN on (January 31, 2013, 17:47 GMT)

Boycott , the rest of nations must boycott indian cricket

Posted by bumsonseats on (January 31, 2013, 17:47 GMT)

it would never happen.but say that the elite panel of umpires and referees said we will not stand in any games were the drs is not in use now that would put the cat among the pigeons

Posted by GlobalCricketLover on (January 31, 2013, 17:46 GMT)

Disappointed to hear this as an Indian. Good to see Eng showing some spine. Other spineless boards should too have stood up for their players. I fail to understand why other boards fail to see that BCCI needs them teams too. No one is going to watch BCCI"s matches if it doesn't involve a foreign country. Ranji matches are a proof of that. So much of talk about IPL - imagine what will happen if Aus and SA pull out their players. No one is going to watch if it's only involving Indian players...How will BCCI make money if these teams don't visit India? Would have loved to see all other boards mandating DRS - wonder what BCCI would have done by dropping off from all series. Golden opportunity missed, i would say!

Posted by KingOwl on (January 31, 2013, 17:40 GMT)

There is no point shouting and screaming about the BCCI. Money talks and thus the BCCI has a huge voice. If India pulls out of tours, many boards will struggle, some will go bankrupt! So, practically, one has to look at the concerns. Is DRS reliable? I think it is much better than letting umpire make decisions on their own. Can it be manipulated? That is where I have concerns. I do not trust the media companies which control the technology. There needs to be a system where the cricket boards of the home and visiting teams jointly have control over the technology. I think it should be possible, but may not be easy to implement.

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 17:38 GMT)

I beleive everyone is clearly missing the point here. If you read through the narrative carefully it says - "N Srinivasan, the BCCI chief, shot down the proposal and ESPNcricinfo understands that the remaining boards did not make a stand". So what stopped the other boards from taking a stand and opposing BCCI's move. While its easy to blame BCCI for their stand and force BCCI to either agree to this proposal or plain move out. And if BCCI indeed moves out, how long will will they keep playing IPL (only). Comeon...in my opinion the other Boards are equally culpable, if not more. Each board expects and understands the financial benefits (or loss) of taking a stand against BCCI and thereby are prioritizing their priorities. If they are really interested in DRS with all honesty, I beleive each one of them are absolutely independent and free to do so.

Posted by zalmaypk on (January 31, 2013, 17:37 GMT)

if india don't accept DRS,then ICC should ban them

Posted by richardror on (January 31, 2013, 17:34 GMT)

The ICC now have the perfect opportunity. Let India pull out and all the countries can play without them! It's not like they're much good anyway...

Posted by FooFoo on (January 31, 2013, 17:34 GMT)

I'm a Indian. I honestly suggesting that we should ban the BCCI from the cricket atleast for year if they behave ridiculously like this. Still seriously i can't believe how a sports board can be this wrong in their point of view. Any system may have some flaw - and DRS may have the same. But still far better to have it than playing without it. Throw the BCCI and ban them for a year.

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 17:34 GMT)

A shame how ICC is allowing India to boss others around. Why not just put their foot down and say either play with it or just don't. We saw what its absence can do during the India-England series. Or may be that's just what India wants.

Posted by Alexk400 on (January 31, 2013, 17:32 GMT)

Regarding DRS , Technology will always have resolution , error percentage. There are also blind spots for HOTSPOT when sun shines. So i am not favor of hotspot when sun shines. Hawk eye is ok but rules is the issue for me. Also players appealing is a gamble. When you want correct decision , you have to remove gambling part of appeal. I think it can be improved. But if you do not use it there is no chance of improvement. Also i do not like to put additional pressure on captain on DRS when he has already too much on plate. DRS should be part of coach . We can't have 3 thrid umpire because more person it cost more. So i like coaches appeal from each side and then third umpire take a look. IT reduces stress on third umpire. if you want to improve you must use it. Its just that simple.

BCCI has to be forced to use DRS or it has to be punished.

Posted by bigdhonifan on (January 31, 2013, 17:31 GMT)

@Alexk400 No way any board hurts IPL. NZ, SA, ACB, SLC, WI all earn handsfull of money as royality from IPL by allowing theor players. this is major income for majority of countries like NZ, SL and WI. So threatening IPL wont be in their worst dreams.

Posted by keptalittlelow on (January 31, 2013, 17:31 GMT)

I am disappointed with other boards, why did they leave ECB alone? Please isolate India they will come to their senses.

Posted by davidatlas999 on (January 31, 2013, 17:30 GMT)

@Harmony111 when you mentioned here about worldcup you forget about 8-0 where also they had drs. You said lots of people dont know how drs worke.my answer is people dont wanna know how its work they wanna result how it come dosent matter they are tired of this old excuse umpire are humans one mistake can change totall match. We dont wanna drs just remove those errore.make any other way but right now we cant wait. Imagin aus will be a winner of last time aus tour cause doplessy was given out two times in his great match saving inngs. And remember cook get 6 mistake in indian tour during his batting its not one mistake.

Posted by MurtazaMak on (January 31, 2013, 17:29 GMT)

ICC need to take a stand, someone wrote about taking a stand against BCCI via the IPL, great idea but I don't see that happening as the ICC can't take routine stands against BCCI and this move will outrage the pre-historic board into further abominations.

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 17:28 GMT)

To all blind BCCI bashers and DRS supporters, Why did the remaining 8 Test nation's boards kept quite??

Many captains have not liked the DRS decisions from Hot spot, Hawkeye !

What about the applications used for DRS, its not going to be standardised. Only the DRS rule will be standardised, which is again not proper.

What about the howlers given after 2 reviews?

Posted by diljeeth on (January 31, 2013, 17:28 GMT)

@itismenithin.. That is because India rules cricket.. Without Indian rupees, cricket is big zero.. So at least for the foreseeable future, what is decided by bcci is the rule...

Posted by bumsonseats on (January 31, 2013, 17:27 GMT)

zab you say manipulation, the same guys your board says should be the only rulers of the game the umpires with the help of the 3rd umpire. would be working the referral system, who sits with the match umpire whos part of the team of umpires on the ground. you all must live in funny old worlds if you think that that part of the decision can be manipulated in 90 seconds of match time

Posted by pom_don on (January 31, 2013, 17:26 GMT)

It's about time the rest of the world said enough is enough & the ICC said play by our rules or don't play at all, India seem to think they are bigger than the game, just let them go & apply a total boycott until they agree, typical of the BCCI they act like gods..........disgusting & wrong for the game, accept progress!

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 17:25 GMT)

It is no more unreliable than the umpires standing in the middle, if India can insist on local umpires for their home ODI's (who in some cases wouldn't be fit to umpire a village match), then home countries should be allowed to use DRS if they so choose. Where BCCI is your evidence that it is unreliable, where the evidence that it can be easily manipulated? You have none and your arguments against it do not stand up.

Posted by luks on (January 31, 2013, 17:25 GMT)

@Harmony11, this isn't about DRS per se, but about the right of the host country to use it in their own country. Surely BCCI should have no say in what other countries want to do? Why is it behaving like a child throwing a tantrum that they will pull out if someone has a different view point? Also, BCCI is an agent for the people. It should represent not its own personal view but the view of the majority of the country, which I'm sure is in favor of DRS. If they say that the majority people don't want DRS in India, then I will accept their decision. The problem is that they are running cricket as a monopoly when it should be democratic approach.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (January 31, 2013, 17:23 GMT)

As an Indian fan I deeply embarassed by the BCCI's position. Did the board not see the recent test and ODI series against Engalnd and the number of decisions, howlers and not so obvious, that would have been reversed if DRS had been in place and reviews used at those times. Even restricted use without say ball-tracking is better than no DRS. Test cricket is currently strong enough in England, Australia and SA to survive without India which is currently a mediocre test team on a par with with the lowest ranked test playing nations. Would you lose any sleep if say Bangladesh were to pull out of a series against your team. India is punching above its weight.

The question is why did Austrlia and SA not get the ECB's back? If India pull out of an overseas bilateral series they are only sparing themselves another humiliation. If fans of any team other England complain that DRS is not being used in a home series against India, they should ask their board why not?

Posted by wibblewibble on (January 31, 2013, 17:22 GMT)

No-one outside India has any doubts that DRS increases the number of correct decisions made by umpires. Even the umpires agree that using DRS in a game they are officiating reduces the number of umpiring mistakes that are made.

It is illogical to exclude it because it is not perfect. Nothing is perfect - it is better with than without.

Posted by RajitD on (January 31, 2013, 17:20 GMT)

Despite being an Indian and an India supporter, I think this attitude of the BCCI is plain wrong, and unfortunate. Any technology which reduces the error margin should be welcome irrespective of whether it is foolproof or not. Having said that, I too disagree with the norm allowing only one / two reviews. The third umpire has to come into play to eliminate all howlers.

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 17:20 GMT)

Without DRS cricket was played for over 100 years, than why do you guys wanna fight now. People are here just commending without the proper knowledge of DRS. There are wrong decisions given when DRS was in place. Please move the cricket with respect dont bring such things and make sports worst, nobody question about D/L method which is worst rule in cricket but everybody question bcci for not accepting DRS, bcci never says DRS should not be there, if bcci's concern are fulfilled they are ok to go with it.

Posted by swat1999 on (January 31, 2013, 17:18 GMT)

India is not cooperative with modern technoozy

Posted by mgr125128 on (January 31, 2013, 17:17 GMT)

" Sachin was given out and saved by DRS" claims one poster here. Well in that cases 2 possibilities exist. 1) DRS was manipulated by someone to save Sachin. Conclusion : DRS is easily manipulated. The 2) possibly is DRS gave incorrect result and Sachin was actually out but DRS gave incorrect result . In either scenarios ,in BCCI is saying same thing that DRS is UNRELIABLE and MANIPULATIVE and thats why they are opposing it.

So BCCI is right in its stand

Posted by WeeBee on (January 31, 2013, 17:15 GMT)

Typical BCCI ! .. I have only one request if ICC cant make their points and cant order the boards to implement their stuff then then they should change their name to BCCI and dissolve ICC ... i am sorry but i had to say this thing ....

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (January 31, 2013, 17:14 GMT)

Hmmmm. BCCI really doing some fishy stuff here. They clearly can not be that naive. Refusing to take DRS because it can be manipulated???? Maybe we should throw out the game officials too because they also can be manipulated with money

Posted by KP_84 on (January 31, 2013, 17:14 GMT)

Well done Giles Clarke! Where were the other board chiefs? We all know SLC is in BCCI's back pocket, but what about the others? Pathetic!

Posted by Desihungama on (January 31, 2013, 17:14 GMT)

Simply loving to see ICC buckle under BCCI. ICC now stands toothless and should just absolve itself. FICA which stands for players rights, simply chose to disregard the treatment metted out to Pakistan Women Team in India. With that we should stop treating ALL cancer patients. What's the use? The treatment is never 100% guaranteed.

Posted by itismenithin on (January 31, 2013, 17:12 GMT)

It is disapointing to see other board members not taking a stance, spineless folks. Never understood why 1 rogue board could determine the outcome of a discussion, time to change ICC

Posted by Alexk400 on (January 31, 2013, 17:11 GMT)

if IPL existance threatened BCCI come crawling down for DRS. I think you need to hit where it hurts.

Posted by davidatlas999 on (January 31, 2013, 17:10 GMT)

keep it up bcci dont know why its a do are die case for bcci when it comes to drs.seems its right that they cant win when ever their batsmen fail so they are protected him no problem other teams will find soon whats your task. Dont know why indian fans are backing their board that much. They are saying england and aus dictat in past and forgot they are doing same right now and their is a day after every day so you will not dictat terms all your life when it will over you will get the things then. For now enjoy the moment and keep your talk which never walk.

Posted by stickman7 on (January 31, 2013, 17:10 GMT)

Has anyone thought of this? Even if the technology does get it wrong, then the result will be the same if there was no DRS. If a batsman was given not out for LBW, if hotspot was wrong when fielders refered it would still be not out. BCCI should be thrown out, for thinking that they can be in charge of everything just because of the IPL. Good on the ECB for making a stand

Posted by Kitschiguy on (January 31, 2013, 17:08 GMT)

Perhaps the other Test playing nations should refuse to play India unless they accept the DRS system.

Posted by Alexk400 on (January 31, 2013, 17:06 GMT)

Every country should pull out of IPL. Lets see what happens. If aussies and SA pull out , IPL will be goner.

Posted by gsingh7 on (January 31, 2013, 17:06 GMT)

i support bcci here , hawk eye is a failure as shown in tennis , easily manipulated. hotspot gives wrong reading more often than not, also both being provided by british companies who charge a lot so why should bcci give its hard earned cash to them while taking biased decisions. now that bcci have financial clout and virtually runs all cricket in sub continent and teams like wi and nz depend on bcci money, so bcci can do whatever it wants. u have my unwavering support bcci and protectors of indian cricket, stay strong team blue,1.25 billion are behind u.

Posted by Kitschiguy on (January 31, 2013, 17:05 GMT)

let them pull out. Their mere presence cheapens any Test they play in anyway due to the quality of their game which is hovering just above club cricket.

Posted by MrMinotaur on (January 31, 2013, 17:03 GMT)

England should refuse to go to India or host them unless DRS is used. The three ODIs England lost, they lost Cook twice and Pietersen to laughably bad decisions that would easily have been overturned (India and the England bowlers got some dodgy ones too). While the Indian crowd and players are allowed to bully the umpires into poor decisions (particularly in ODIs where they have a local umpire), the game in India is not fair without DRS.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (January 31, 2013, 17:01 GMT)

So, the issue is that DRS is not made by Indians thus it can be manipulated? And, if it were made in India it would and could not be manipulated? I also wonder where the evidence is that DRS is wrong... is it really less realiable than human umpires?

Posted by luks on (January 31, 2013, 16:59 GMT)

Why is BCCI forcing other countries to not use DRS? If they don't want to use it in India, that's fine (although, as as Indian, I'd rather have it). But, why should they ask for other countries to not use DRS when they are visiting that country? This is only because the benefits will be apparent to the Indian viewer, who will then ask for it after every series. BCCI is sad and pathetic.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 31, 2013, 16:59 GMT)

@All_The_Way: Ref: "....This is ridiculous and plain wrong! they can't dictate what you can and cannot have in Cricket..."

So the other boards can dictate and decide what they want or don't want in Cricket huh?

When Ian Bell is given run out for absolutely valid reasons and the Eng coach and captain had no business in even making a request to MSD for withdrawing their appeal, they go to their dressing room and do that but no one says Eng were crying over a marginal decision but when Ind see their batsmen being given out one after the other or being banned for so called excessive appealing in Aus/SA then ppl say that BCCI is crying like a baby for trivial things.

Similarly, Pro-DRS ppl want BCCI to just give up and call it rigid & obstinate even though they are behaving in an equally (if not more) rigid and obstinate way.

I hope you and other ppl can see the double standards here.

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 16:58 GMT)

Spineless ICC .. they can not do any thing .. But BCCI forgot that because of DRS they got the world cup 2011 . Sachin was given out Vs Pakistan and DRS only saved him and INDIA .

Posted by bumsonseats on (January 31, 2013, 16:56 GMT)

absolute gutless when are the icc going to stand up to the bcci. i am pleased that england stood up to this. were are the so called big cricketing nations when you need them i am not going to name them but as normal they talk the talk but will not walk the walk, and today i am pleased to be called a pom and my country did us proud.as we do in most things that are good and proper.

Posted by warneneverchuck on (January 31, 2013, 16:52 GMT)

The boss is always right.

Posted by applethief on (January 31, 2013, 16:48 GMT)

Appalling that the other boards have once again failed to show unity over this issue. It's about time they collectively called India's bluff and told them to like it or lump it. 9-1 isn't hegemony, it's called being fair when everyone's playing a game by the same set of rules. It'll be interesting to see how bullish India will be about pulling out of tours when they haven't got a single test-playing nation that they can visit.

Posted by ZAB2121 on (January 31, 2013, 16:46 GMT)

Srinivasan's concerns are understood to still centre on a belief that the technology could be easily manipulated and is unreliable.

He has probably seen the WC semi final highlights quite a few times. He might have read the comments too.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 31, 2013, 16:45 GMT)

Predictably BCCI bashing will start here too but will any of those care to tell why should the opinion of one board be given more imp than then opinion of another board when it comes to adopting new technologies in the game even though several question marks remain about the reliability of those new technologies + they do not seem to justify the immense money they would need/charge. If one goes through the timeline one will see that the pro-DRS group has been shifting its stance all the while the BCCI has been steadfast (seen as rigid/inflexible) in the reasons why it opposes DRS. Some ppl are pro-DRS ONLY cos BCCI is anti-DRS and very few ppl actually will be able to explain how DRS works when asked for the reasons of their support to DRS. What can one do for such ppl?

And before anyone says that BCCI opposes DRS cos Ind then lose matches need to be reminded that India won the WC 2011 when DRS was already there. (I know what they'll say to it but it only weakens their DRS integrity)

Posted by   on (January 31, 2013, 16:42 GMT)

Throw out BCCI. They deserve it. Please remember that BCCI does not represent all Indian Cricket lovers like me. BCCI must be having a hidden agenda not to accept DRS. ESPN Cricinfo vote on DRS country wise will bring out where BCCI stands. DRS can be implemented in stages where Umpire ruling will hold in doubtful decisions. Like in LBW it can be used to find out whether the ball hit the bat before the pads. Hot spot seems to be accurate. Isolate BCCI. BCCI needs international cricket for its funds as much or more than other countries.

Posted by bigdhonifan on (January 31, 2013, 16:42 GMT)

Srinivasan and BCCI proved that, only one LION is needed in the Jungle. Way to go BCCI, ALL THE BEST.

Posted by CSK_greatest_of_all on (January 31, 2013, 16:41 GMT)

Good work from N.Srinivasan....all the Indians should understand where BCCI stands and support it. There was a time when ECB and Cricket Australia had the Veto power over ICC decissions. There was an Indian guy and he found something better than D/C method...jst coz he was Indian the Board dint approve, now why should BCCI agree for DRS where the royalty goes to someone from ECB or Cricket Australia....Indians wake up...dont cuss BCCI coz if not for BCCI we will still be underdogs

Posted by bigdhonifan on (January 31, 2013, 16:41 GMT)

DRS is a technology could be easily manipulated and is unreliable. Why dont ICC invest money and find some other way to improve umprirng. ECB supporting this as HotSpot and Hawk eye is a product of British companies. There is enough proof that HOTSPOT, HAWKEYE and SNICKO METER fails to provide accurate decisions. Hawk eye is even a failure in Tennis.

Posted by KingAjmal on (January 31, 2013, 16:38 GMT)

This is ridiculous and plain wrong! they can't dictate what you can and cannot have in Cricket. ICC needs to be brave and don't take any nonsense from them. India are one of the reasons why Cricket is not spreading to other countries properly.

Posted by SamNY2013 on (January 31, 2013, 16:36 GMT)

Okay but how many Elite umpires India has produced to minimize the human error factor?

Posted by Erebus26 on (January 31, 2013, 16:34 GMT)

Yeah we get it India, your players can't play the swinging ball and your team can't win a test abroad against anybody decent. But on a more serious note, it does seem we are witnessing the usual round of bullying and intimidation about the BCCI.

Posted by WI-NZ-SA-ENG on (January 31, 2013, 16:33 GMT)

The rest of the boards need to boycott india, this'll be the only way for them to learn, but sadly, since many of their player's cheque depends on India, I don't see it happening.

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