ICC revamp February 4, 2014

CSA denies discussing Lorgat role with BCCI

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Cricket South Africa has denied ESPNcricinfo's report that a patch-up with the BCCI over Haroon Lorgat is on the cards, saying it would "not consider deals that compromise our key principles". The report had said discussions were on which may result in CSA supporting the proposed ICC revamp in exchange for its chief executive, Lorgat, being reintegrated into top administration.

"While we are engaged in discussions with the ICC and other Members, including the BCCI, to find an acceptable way forward, we have not and will not consider deals that compromise our key principles and integrity," CSA president Chris Nenzani said in the statement. "This is a difficult time for global cricket and attempts to mislead and create confusion are not welcome.

"CSA vehemently denies any notion of deals being made with any other party. On the contrary we will seek to uphold good governance and our professional approach to find solutions to the current proposals being considered by all the Member boards.

"We have carefully considered the proposals and we have declared that we will engage further with the ICC and other Members to try and reach any consensus ahead of Saturday's ICC Board meeting and that position still stands."

CSA was one of four boards which originally came out in opposition of the 'position paper' put together by the BCCI, the ECB and Cricket Australia, which proposed greater governance and financial be vested in the three at the ICC level. CSA has not been on the best terms with the BCCI since it appointed Lorgat its chief, disregarding BCCI "concerns" over him. The BCCI had curtailed India's tour to South Africa in December.

Nenzani said CSA would "naturally" be interested in improving relations with the BCCI, but not at the expense of "good governance". "Naturally we want good relations with the ICC and all its Members, especially India, with whom we have always enjoyed a special relationship, but we will exercise our responsibilities with due care, skill and integrity and we will uphold the principles of good governance."

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  • stormy16 on February 4, 2014, 18:17 GMT

    Nice to hear the noble views of CSA but my money is on ONE of the three jumping and at this stage CSA is looking like the hot favorite. No matter how much money the greedy bunch have, but even the greediest of them all will understand that you cannot have any sort of competition without the best team in the world on board. I dont even understand how two nations can have a such a problem over an individual, the game and the country is surely bigger than individuals.

  • Master_uv_Puppetz on February 4, 2014, 17:51 GMT

    @Andy Mettews: "Between the three they could still run Test tours and Championships at a huge profit"... seriously??? For how long would you want to see Jadeja Vs Broad??? And when two of them are playing.. would you love to see the 3rd one playing against Zim or WI every time??

    Why there is even a mention of break-away at all?? I'm sure cricket won't survive for long in absence of those 3 champion teams. It would be sad, pathetic even, if all of us did nothing to stop international cricket die. There have already been allegations of corruption against IPL. Plus the mockery of the playing rules that would happen in the reign of big 3.

    Cricket though,will remain cuz it's survives on love of the game by ordinary public. We never needed anything from anyone when we used to share a dirt ridden ground along with 30 teams in 40c temperatures or why we would watch every ball of the test match on TV. We just loved to play and have fun

  • BowledYa on February 4, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    If the big 3 want more of the money they help generate, from my perspective that can always be negotiated and put on the table for all members to discuss. What disgusts us fans is the sheer brazeness of the proposal to take away other countries voting rights. SA was among the first countries to play test cricket, and Pakistan has been a core team member of the cricketing world for almost 70 years, won world cups and produced worldclass players like Imran Khan, Miandad, Majid Khan, Waqar and Wasim Akram, the list is long. To see a proposal to relegate these teams to 2nd class in ICC is not only dishonest, it is a slap on the face of cricket fans.

  • on February 4, 2014, 17:13 GMT

    Anyone who thinks money doesn't talk needs to remember the rebel tours of SA under apartheid. Where there is money players will ditch national teams and boards for personal profit.

    If the seven boards COULD keep all their players they would at least be able to survive. If the SA Test team was stripped of its stars because they were playing in the IPL, Big Bash and on rebel "Rest of World" teams against the Big Three - the game is up.

    It's not about how the boards vote - it's how the players of those boards vote. Stay loyal and play Test Cricket for your country, or jump ship and play the IPL, Big Bash and rebel tours of India, England and Australia. I don't even blame the players. They would have families to support. Ultimately most of us love our country - BUT we love our families more. We have to provide for them first. My belief is the first rebel tour would happen within six months of a split. If it gets nasty only one side will win. It won't be the seven.

  • manishwa on February 4, 2014, 17:12 GMT

    When the whole issue started, everyone said - let the big three play among themselves. Now we have a small-three that would end up playing among themselves. What a week can do!

    And I have the least sympathy for the so called small-three. Look closely - and they are the most unpredictable boards - simply because they are massively ruled by their political governments. The Lankans don't even pay their players. And South Africans too dominated by their own Government.

    And all of these three are now simply posturing. And the rest of the two will be shunned for the years to come.

  • on February 4, 2014, 17:08 GMT

    If the Big Three don't get their way they will almost certainly break away. That really would be a disaster. Between the three they could still run Test tours and Championships at a huge profit. Could the other seven manage to raise enough to survive?

    The key test will be the IPL. If the IPL is allowed to ban non-affiliated nations from earning money, and they leave it to the cricketers involved to decide, an large majority of SA, NZ and SL players will choose the IPL over their country and it's board.

    If that spirals - and those players choose to play for unofficial Test teams then the situation will hit breaking pint and the smaller boards will simply go bankrupt. Without any income from the Big Three most boards could not survive. If the best SA players had a rebel tour and the IPL to play in - most would ditch their boards and walk away.

    If may not be fair but in the end the boards that generate the revenue won't continue to share it.

    It's just a matter of when it happens.

  • nibir78 on February 4, 2014, 17:03 GMT

    Why don't ICC distribute money according to rank position and ensure each team play equal number of game in an average for 1 or 2 year duration?

    Also need to ensure half of the teams played match are at abroad. India, Australia, England in recent time shown good result only in home ground. The rating points should be counted from last 10 or 20 matches only for all teams. Older rank point values should be automatically replaced with new and then evaluate on keeping (or not) test status of bottom 1 or 2 countries. That would add up excitation at all tests and ppl would not need to cry for only money without performing.

  • BowledYa on February 4, 2014, 16:30 GMT

    I don't see how the big 3's proponents can proclaim financial benefits for other countries if they agreed to the proposal, when the whole idea is for the big 3 to keep more of the money. Bribing other members with short term tours that they never proposed before is despicable. This very proposal is in itself an excellent example of what would happen to the non-big 3 if they gave in. This proposal would have passed without any discussion.

  • jimmyvida on February 4, 2014, 16:28 GMT

    Instead of a 2-tier system. Let the teams that agree play with one another eg: England, Australia, India, NZ, WI etc, and the other board will comprise CSA, PCB, SL, BCB etc. Can anyone see where the money will flow. Each group will have its own Champions Trophy. Players from second group invalidated from playing IPL and the Big Bash, however, can in the SPL. In a stupid format as this, the only country to really lose out is CSA.

  • on February 4, 2014, 16:24 GMT

    England and Australia who always talk very high on good governance, have teamed up with India to promote modern day imperialism. shame on you big 3.

  • stormy16 on February 4, 2014, 18:17 GMT

    Nice to hear the noble views of CSA but my money is on ONE of the three jumping and at this stage CSA is looking like the hot favorite. No matter how much money the greedy bunch have, but even the greediest of them all will understand that you cannot have any sort of competition without the best team in the world on board. I dont even understand how two nations can have a such a problem over an individual, the game and the country is surely bigger than individuals.

  • Master_uv_Puppetz on February 4, 2014, 17:51 GMT

    @Andy Mettews: "Between the three they could still run Test tours and Championships at a huge profit"... seriously??? For how long would you want to see Jadeja Vs Broad??? And when two of them are playing.. would you love to see the 3rd one playing against Zim or WI every time??

    Why there is even a mention of break-away at all?? I'm sure cricket won't survive for long in absence of those 3 champion teams. It would be sad, pathetic even, if all of us did nothing to stop international cricket die. There have already been allegations of corruption against IPL. Plus the mockery of the playing rules that would happen in the reign of big 3.

    Cricket though,will remain cuz it's survives on love of the game by ordinary public. We never needed anything from anyone when we used to share a dirt ridden ground along with 30 teams in 40c temperatures or why we would watch every ball of the test match on TV. We just loved to play and have fun

  • BowledYa on February 4, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    If the big 3 want more of the money they help generate, from my perspective that can always be negotiated and put on the table for all members to discuss. What disgusts us fans is the sheer brazeness of the proposal to take away other countries voting rights. SA was among the first countries to play test cricket, and Pakistan has been a core team member of the cricketing world for almost 70 years, won world cups and produced worldclass players like Imran Khan, Miandad, Majid Khan, Waqar and Wasim Akram, the list is long. To see a proposal to relegate these teams to 2nd class in ICC is not only dishonest, it is a slap on the face of cricket fans.

  • on February 4, 2014, 17:13 GMT

    Anyone who thinks money doesn't talk needs to remember the rebel tours of SA under apartheid. Where there is money players will ditch national teams and boards for personal profit.

    If the seven boards COULD keep all their players they would at least be able to survive. If the SA Test team was stripped of its stars because they were playing in the IPL, Big Bash and on rebel "Rest of World" teams against the Big Three - the game is up.

    It's not about how the boards vote - it's how the players of those boards vote. Stay loyal and play Test Cricket for your country, or jump ship and play the IPL, Big Bash and rebel tours of India, England and Australia. I don't even blame the players. They would have families to support. Ultimately most of us love our country - BUT we love our families more. We have to provide for them first. My belief is the first rebel tour would happen within six months of a split. If it gets nasty only one side will win. It won't be the seven.

  • manishwa on February 4, 2014, 17:12 GMT

    When the whole issue started, everyone said - let the big three play among themselves. Now we have a small-three that would end up playing among themselves. What a week can do!

    And I have the least sympathy for the so called small-three. Look closely - and they are the most unpredictable boards - simply because they are massively ruled by their political governments. The Lankans don't even pay their players. And South Africans too dominated by their own Government.

    And all of these three are now simply posturing. And the rest of the two will be shunned for the years to come.

  • on February 4, 2014, 17:08 GMT

    If the Big Three don't get their way they will almost certainly break away. That really would be a disaster. Between the three they could still run Test tours and Championships at a huge profit. Could the other seven manage to raise enough to survive?

    The key test will be the IPL. If the IPL is allowed to ban non-affiliated nations from earning money, and they leave it to the cricketers involved to decide, an large majority of SA, NZ and SL players will choose the IPL over their country and it's board.

    If that spirals - and those players choose to play for unofficial Test teams then the situation will hit breaking pint and the smaller boards will simply go bankrupt. Without any income from the Big Three most boards could not survive. If the best SA players had a rebel tour and the IPL to play in - most would ditch their boards and walk away.

    If may not be fair but in the end the boards that generate the revenue won't continue to share it.

    It's just a matter of when it happens.

  • nibir78 on February 4, 2014, 17:03 GMT

    Why don't ICC distribute money according to rank position and ensure each team play equal number of game in an average for 1 or 2 year duration?

    Also need to ensure half of the teams played match are at abroad. India, Australia, England in recent time shown good result only in home ground. The rating points should be counted from last 10 or 20 matches only for all teams. Older rank point values should be automatically replaced with new and then evaluate on keeping (or not) test status of bottom 1 or 2 countries. That would add up excitation at all tests and ppl would not need to cry for only money without performing.

  • BowledYa on February 4, 2014, 16:30 GMT

    I don't see how the big 3's proponents can proclaim financial benefits for other countries if they agreed to the proposal, when the whole idea is for the big 3 to keep more of the money. Bribing other members with short term tours that they never proposed before is despicable. This very proposal is in itself an excellent example of what would happen to the non-big 3 if they gave in. This proposal would have passed without any discussion.

  • jimmyvida on February 4, 2014, 16:28 GMT

    Instead of a 2-tier system. Let the teams that agree play with one another eg: England, Australia, India, NZ, WI etc, and the other board will comprise CSA, PCB, SL, BCB etc. Can anyone see where the money will flow. Each group will have its own Champions Trophy. Players from second group invalidated from playing IPL and the Big Bash, however, can in the SPL. In a stupid format as this, the only country to really lose out is CSA.

  • on February 4, 2014, 16:24 GMT

    England and Australia who always talk very high on good governance, have teamed up with India to promote modern day imperialism. shame on you big 3.

  • Gudra on February 4, 2014, 16:21 GMT

    I take my proverbial hat off to CSA and Mr Lorgat! I am heartened that there are still a few countries that have members on sport committees who have integrity and guts. When most of the cricketing world prefer to adopt the easy way out and accept the crumbs from the masters' table because it is expedient for them to do so, nations like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and South Africa choose to put the game and principles before position, money and avarice. Cricket South Africa appears to have a man of integrity at its helm, Mr Chris Nenzani, is a worthy administrator and capable person, who will not be moved by offers of position and status in exchange for the soul of the sport that millions enjoy watching and love.

  • BowledYa on February 4, 2014, 16:16 GMT

    Bravo to CSA for not compromising on principles. You have shown true character in the face of adversity from the bullies of cricket. I did expect this from BCCI, but not from England or Australia who I thought stood for principles and integrity. They have lost my respect as boards, and I question their fans as well if they don't show opposition to their boards destroying their countries' image in the cricketing world.

  • on February 4, 2014, 15:49 GMT

    South Africa is the one which will lose most if they don't join the big three. Lorgat is NOT at all the issue, but can be used as a moral facade to hide their dire need for cash. The money they can make from Champions' Trophy and IPLs (when they need to be shifted) is so huge, that there is no way they can ignore it. Sorry for it.

    Sri Lanka keeps on forgetting the number of times BCCI had lent a helping hand for their financial survival; to such an extent, every one started getting tired of India-SL contests!

    Internationals in one's own country against good teams is what brings in most revenue. Pakistan's domestic situation, (and the attack on SL Team) depry them of that benefit. Quite unfortunate. Their good cricketers need more forums to display their talents. Lack of internationals played in Pak will continue for a while. So, The proposal's impact will be minimal, one way or the other. But their helplessness can be used to play an apparently moral sounding stand. Why not use it!

  • Zafar_Abbas on February 4, 2014, 15:38 GMT

    well done CSA, SL and specially PCB should follow the same lines and realize that cricket won't diminish if the big3 even somehow impose their intentions

  • samincolumbia on February 4, 2014, 15:16 GMT

    Lorgat is under investigation by ICC. It's funny to hear him talk about principles.As for Pakistan, they have been playing in the desert for years. Deal or no deal, PCB needs to punish the perpetrators who attacked the SL team rather than letting them live freely in Pakistan rather than blowing hot air.

  • Aura123 on February 4, 2014, 13:08 GMT

    I must say very well done CRICINFO for giving so much coverage and exposing the greed in cricket. What ever happens from here onward History will remember that cricinfo have done every thing possible to save the true spirit of cricket so Big THANK YOU to cricinfo team

  • alipk52 on February 4, 2014, 13:04 GMT

    There you go...hats off CSA! so happy to know this..Pak/SL/CSA rocks!!

  • PrasPunter on February 4, 2014, 12:03 GMT

    @Eliya Syed, credit where it is due - Cricinfo has done its role in exposing ( would we call it as such ?? !!) the misplaced intentions of the B Three. Whats in store from here-on? The other 7 will eventually be bullied, coerced into submission. Wish this effort of Cricinfo bears fruit and saves the game !!

  • on February 4, 2014, 11:28 GMT

    @Hassan Khan - Cricinfo is the only website that has covered the issue of Big3 so extensively. In fact, it was through Jarrod Kimber's article on Cricinfo that I first found out about the draft. Sharda Ugra also played a huge role in asking the fans to take an action and protest against it. Sambit Bal also spoke out on this issue (much, much before the other media agencies began speaking about it). In fact, even right now, the Australian and English media has almost given it no coverage at all. Had it not been for the pressure created by the Cricinfo writers (as well as Osman Samiuddin), the deals would have taken place behind the doors and we would come to know about all this when it'd be too late.

  • ABKhanISB on February 4, 2014, 10:51 GMT

    To all Indians who are thinking South Africa is low income generating country, or she should obey India, just remember how many Indians are queuing up outside of South African embassy for visa

  • srinideva on February 4, 2014, 10:49 GMT

    @mm7111, Payback from BCCI will be a Pay check to CSA for their share in Champions league..Deal or No deal.

  • on February 4, 2014, 10:31 GMT

    In future all private companies who pay for tv commercials will select players and they hav their will compell all boards for favourite teams results in ICC and bilateral tournaments. Nothing will be left if cricket approved the draft

  • jsaeed on February 4, 2014, 10:02 GMT

    I really hope now SLC will also come out wid guns blazing and shoot down this joke of a reform. the most shameful thing is that NOT A SINGLE Ex-indian player has come out and said this to be wrong. Where are those patrons of cricket. Where is kapil dev, gavaskar, dravid tendulkar etc????

  • vipinchirackal on February 4, 2014, 10:00 GMT

    if cricket sounth africa want to exist better obey bcci.if you want to create a parallel association your players wont get salary and they will move to ipl rather than playing for their country

  • DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on February 4, 2014, 9:51 GMT

    i wants india to arrange two ipl per year, bcz it gives entertainment than international matches. Why india speaking to low income generating cricketting nations.

  • Mobin_My_Name on February 4, 2014, 9:49 GMT

    Well score iz still 7:3 n 4 days left . Match still in favour of greedy 3 but you never know in da game of cricket on da field r off da field any thing iz possible.three players left n four days to survive. Question iz can they manage a draw? :) plz publish cricinfo

  • on February 4, 2014, 9:48 GMT

    stop playing around and sign the agreement, everyone knows u will.

  • ozwriter on February 4, 2014, 9:42 GMT

    well said nenzani. at least someone standing up against bcci

  • mm7111 on February 4, 2014, 9:42 GMT

    3,2,1... & there comes payback.

  • Salman_Shakeel84 on February 4, 2014, 9:37 GMT

    Well done CSA..

    Yes it difficult time, most of cricket related media is Indian lobby which will try its best to portray those as evil mongers who are against the big 3 idea...

    Kudos to CSA, PCB and Sri Lankan cricket board for standing against this cricket imperialism!

  • jsaeed on February 4, 2014, 9:35 GMT

    I really hope now SLC will also come out wid guns blazing and shoot down this joke of a reform. the most shameful thing is that NOT A SINGLE Ex-indian player has come out and said this to be wrong. Where are those patrons of cricket. Where is kapil dev, gavaskar, dravid tendulkar etc????

  • on February 4, 2014, 9:29 GMT

    Thanks to Cricket South Africa for their strictness about 3 killers of cricket.

  • on February 4, 2014, 9:22 GMT

    Well done CSA keep up the good work you guys can stop this dictatorship PCB,CSA and SLC together..

  • on February 4, 2014, 9:17 GMT

    Game is ON.........Revenue sharing would be fine but equal rights of authority and administrations shouldn't be comprise. True spirit of game should be prevailed over financial gimmicks.

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  • on February 4, 2014, 9:17 GMT

    Game is ON.........Revenue sharing would be fine but equal rights of authority and administrations shouldn't be comprise. True spirit of game should be prevailed over financial gimmicks.

  • on February 4, 2014, 9:22 GMT

    Well done CSA keep up the good work you guys can stop this dictatorship PCB,CSA and SLC together..

  • on February 4, 2014, 9:29 GMT

    Thanks to Cricket South Africa for their strictness about 3 killers of cricket.

  • jsaeed on February 4, 2014, 9:35 GMT

    I really hope now SLC will also come out wid guns blazing and shoot down this joke of a reform. the most shameful thing is that NOT A SINGLE Ex-indian player has come out and said this to be wrong. Where are those patrons of cricket. Where is kapil dev, gavaskar, dravid tendulkar etc????

  • Salman_Shakeel84 on February 4, 2014, 9:37 GMT

    Well done CSA..

    Yes it difficult time, most of cricket related media is Indian lobby which will try its best to portray those as evil mongers who are against the big 3 idea...

    Kudos to CSA, PCB and Sri Lankan cricket board for standing against this cricket imperialism!

  • mm7111 on February 4, 2014, 9:42 GMT

    3,2,1... & there comes payback.

  • ozwriter on February 4, 2014, 9:42 GMT

    well said nenzani. at least someone standing up against bcci

  • on February 4, 2014, 9:48 GMT

    stop playing around and sign the agreement, everyone knows u will.

  • Mobin_My_Name on February 4, 2014, 9:49 GMT

    Well score iz still 7:3 n 4 days left . Match still in favour of greedy 3 but you never know in da game of cricket on da field r off da field any thing iz possible.three players left n four days to survive. Question iz can they manage a draw? :) plz publish cricinfo

  • DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on February 4, 2014, 9:51 GMT

    i wants india to arrange two ipl per year, bcz it gives entertainment than international matches. Why india speaking to low income generating cricketting nations.