England news September 4, 2011

Not sure KP would get in team - Adams

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Chris Adams, the Surrey cricket manager, hasn't been given any official indication over the availability of Kevin Pietersen but suggested that he'd struggle to get in the county team anyway. He also asked Andy Flower, the England team director, if they could fly Jade Dernbach down for the CB40 semi-final against Sussex, but that was refused although Dernbach will be available for the final at Lord's.

Pietersen has been rested for the current one-day series against India although reports have now emerged that he has a wrist injury that needs treatment. Last week it was also suggested that Pietersen won't return to action until January when England play Pakistan in UAE.

However, on Sunday, Pietersen said that he was still aiming for the two Twenty20s against West Indies and the one-day tour of India. The CB40 final, in which Surrey take on Somerset, is on September 17 at Lord's, six days before the first T20 against West Indies.

"Kevin is resting and I've no idea if he'll be available or not," Adams said after Surrey's 71-run victory against Sussex. "I've no idea if he'd get in the side or not. We've come this far without two of England's best players - Kevin Pietersen and Chris Tremlett - and if we get Jade back that will be a huge bonus. I'm guessing at this stage we won't have Kevin. I haven't been officially told."

Unlike Pietersen, who Surrey have seen precious little of this season due to England commitments, Adams was in no doubt that Dernbach, who has taken 19 wickets at 15.47 in the CB40, will slot straight back into the side when he's available, and they tried very hard to have him for the semi-final. Given that England's last ODI is a day-night game in Cardiff, a helicopter may be needed to get him to Lord's.

"Jade is one of the reasons we are where we are," he said. "He was the stand-out bowler for us in the competition and his career is going from strength to strength. We asked the question of Flower this week if we could fly him down last night, then we'd fly him off to The Rose Bowl [for the next ODI].

"He's someone who will take a great deal of pleasure in this result, he's a Surrey man through and through. He continues to impress on every level and if we get him for the final then that's great."

The news is not so good for Chris Tremlett, though, who has been struggling with a bulging disc in his back since he was ruled out of the second Test against India at Trent Bridge and didn't play again the series.

"Chris may struggle to get on the park in this domestic season, but that's with the medics and people who know," Adams said. "I can't speak highly enough of him, he sent us messages before, during and after this game."

Tremlett was unlikely to have been part of England's one-day plans against India - either home or away - having not been selected against Sri Lanka, so he has time to recover before the tour to UAE in the New Year. However, he will have a fight to regain his place after the success of Tim Bresnan and won't find pitches in UAE, or in Sri Lanka, conducive to his style of bowling.

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY on | September 6, 2011, 13:21 GMT

    Why are you critising Flower? KP didnt get picked because he is being rested. This is about Surrey anyway. Glad Dernbach is available, don't think KP should be picked for us in the final because our top 5 has been very good. If we play another batsman and drop one of the spinners then maybe he should be in contention.

    O and lol at the Indians. Best test team in the world, cheers lads.

  • POSTED BY AlanHarrison on | September 6, 2011, 11:04 GMT

    @Mohaseen: I agree in the sense that England are not a particularly good ODI side (are no.5 in the world), and euphoria about their test performance notwithstanding, they certainly need KP in ODIs. However, I agree with what Adams says in this article about not picking KP for Surrey, because Surrey, unlike England, have done well without him.

  • POSTED BY CD23 on | September 6, 2011, 7:41 GMT

    KP's a tank dead set no arguments

  • POSTED BY AndyElleray on | September 6, 2011, 7:21 GMT

    No ones saying that KP isnt good enough for the Surrey side, I'm certain if he was avaliable for the whole summer he would be in the X1, but as a Surrey fan the lads who've played have done fantastically well. Jade Dernbach has played the vast majority of the matches and hense has been an integral part of the side unlike KP so his selection is fully vindicated. Can you imagine if he played, got a duck and Surrey lost? He would never hear the end of it and that would be unfair on the both him and the team as a whole. @Harvey - really? Roy, Dernbach, Ansari, Spriegel, Wilson, RHB, Meaker, Batty, Wilson, Jordan would disagree with that! Davies, De Bruyn, Tremlett were out and contract and Maynard was in dispute with Glamorgan. If this young Surrey side continues to grow they will dominate County Cricket for many years to come.

  • POSTED BY tomhedley on | September 6, 2011, 5:52 GMT

    What a ridiculous thing to say, an international cricketer might not get into a two bob division 2 side lol!

  • POSTED BY on | September 5, 2011, 20:58 GMT

    great player like kp doesnt deserve this treatment..i dont know what andy flower is upto..he feels he is got best team in the world and dreaming high..common reality is eng beat aus because aus is not aus that of past and now india whitewash is just lucky because indian is suffering with record breaking injury's thanks to ipl and they are playing 5% of their total ability..i dont care how many more players eng import from all over the world they are gona struggle in subcontinent for sure..wc defeats against bagladesh,ireland and sri lanka gives clear indication that they cant play unorthodox and quality spinners..i cant wait to see ajmal,mendis,ashwin bowling to eng on spinners day3+ tracks..clearly overrated team which is num 1 just because of pure luck..

  • POSTED BY WilliamFranklin on | September 5, 2011, 13:29 GMT

    @Harvey - yawn. You seem to be just repeating a sterotyped story from 10 years ago.

    Which of Dernbach, Roy, Meaker, Spreigal, Ansari did they bring in? Rory Hamilton-Brown came through all the Surrey age groups and then went off to Sussex, but has now come home so he is a player Surrey have developed too.

  • POSTED BY yorkslanka on | September 5, 2011, 13:23 GMT

    I agree with Adams,I am a neutral but as a cricketer,it seems only fair to play the guys who got them to the final...I turned down a cup final this yr for my club third team as they were going to drop someone who played week in week out and I couldn't have that personally..

  • POSTED BY AlanHarrison on | September 5, 2011, 11:00 GMT

    Of course KP should not play. Did he play any role in getting Surrey this far in the competition? Surrey should be loyal to those players.

  • POSTED BY Baundele on | September 5, 2011, 10:10 GMT

    And now they think KP, the highest run getter in the test series, is not good enough for Surrey. What a great treatment of England's best batsman! :D

  • POSTED BY on | September 6, 2011, 13:21 GMT

    Why are you critising Flower? KP didnt get picked because he is being rested. This is about Surrey anyway. Glad Dernbach is available, don't think KP should be picked for us in the final because our top 5 has been very good. If we play another batsman and drop one of the spinners then maybe he should be in contention.

    O and lol at the Indians. Best test team in the world, cheers lads.

  • POSTED BY AlanHarrison on | September 6, 2011, 11:04 GMT

    @Mohaseen: I agree in the sense that England are not a particularly good ODI side (are no.5 in the world), and euphoria about their test performance notwithstanding, they certainly need KP in ODIs. However, I agree with what Adams says in this article about not picking KP for Surrey, because Surrey, unlike England, have done well without him.

  • POSTED BY CD23 on | September 6, 2011, 7:41 GMT

    KP's a tank dead set no arguments

  • POSTED BY AndyElleray on | September 6, 2011, 7:21 GMT

    No ones saying that KP isnt good enough for the Surrey side, I'm certain if he was avaliable for the whole summer he would be in the X1, but as a Surrey fan the lads who've played have done fantastically well. Jade Dernbach has played the vast majority of the matches and hense has been an integral part of the side unlike KP so his selection is fully vindicated. Can you imagine if he played, got a duck and Surrey lost? He would never hear the end of it and that would be unfair on the both him and the team as a whole. @Harvey - really? Roy, Dernbach, Ansari, Spriegel, Wilson, RHB, Meaker, Batty, Wilson, Jordan would disagree with that! Davies, De Bruyn, Tremlett were out and contract and Maynard was in dispute with Glamorgan. If this young Surrey side continues to grow they will dominate County Cricket for many years to come.

  • POSTED BY tomhedley on | September 6, 2011, 5:52 GMT

    What a ridiculous thing to say, an international cricketer might not get into a two bob division 2 side lol!

  • POSTED BY on | September 5, 2011, 20:58 GMT

    great player like kp doesnt deserve this treatment..i dont know what andy flower is upto..he feels he is got best team in the world and dreaming high..common reality is eng beat aus because aus is not aus that of past and now india whitewash is just lucky because indian is suffering with record breaking injury's thanks to ipl and they are playing 5% of their total ability..i dont care how many more players eng import from all over the world they are gona struggle in subcontinent for sure..wc defeats against bagladesh,ireland and sri lanka gives clear indication that they cant play unorthodox and quality spinners..i cant wait to see ajmal,mendis,ashwin bowling to eng on spinners day3+ tracks..clearly overrated team which is num 1 just because of pure luck..

  • POSTED BY WilliamFranklin on | September 5, 2011, 13:29 GMT

    @Harvey - yawn. You seem to be just repeating a sterotyped story from 10 years ago.

    Which of Dernbach, Roy, Meaker, Spreigal, Ansari did they bring in? Rory Hamilton-Brown came through all the Surrey age groups and then went off to Sussex, but has now come home so he is a player Surrey have developed too.

  • POSTED BY yorkslanka on | September 5, 2011, 13:23 GMT

    I agree with Adams,I am a neutral but as a cricketer,it seems only fair to play the guys who got them to the final...I turned down a cup final this yr for my club third team as they were going to drop someone who played week in week out and I couldn't have that personally..

  • POSTED BY AlanHarrison on | September 5, 2011, 11:00 GMT

    Of course KP should not play. Did he play any role in getting Surrey this far in the competition? Surrey should be loyal to those players.

  • POSTED BY Baundele on | September 5, 2011, 10:10 GMT

    And now they think KP, the highest run getter in the test series, is not good enough for Surrey. What a great treatment of England's best batsman! :D

  • POSTED BY bumsonseats on | September 5, 2011, 9:31 GMT

    i think it a decision made by surrey to play only from the c40 squad of players that have been selectered during the season. i have my ticket so i would like to see KP play at lords . warwickshre did not play bell about 2/3 years ago in a similar competition i would think most surrey supporters would like him to play. but i can understand it from a team moral point of view a guy could miss out even though he may have played all the games up to that point just on another note surrey must have some wages bill when u look at the names on their squad list on paper it could at present beat india. ( only joking ). strange is they are stuck in the 2nd division and not certain to go up to the 1st division. dpk

  • POSTED BY BifferSpice on | September 5, 2011, 8:33 GMT

    why can nobody see what adams is saying? he's not saying pietersen's not good enough to get in the team, he's saying it would be unfair on everyone who got the team to the final to be dropped to make way for a player who has played no part in getting them to the final. that would lead to an unhappy dressing room. he's showing loyalty to the players that have got his team where they are. and there's nothing wrong with that at all. it's good captaincy, not a pop at KP, and i'm sure KP would understand that entirely

  • POSTED BY Harvey on | September 5, 2011, 8:26 GMT

    @Joshua Johnson - the reason Surrey "flourish" without KP and Tremlett is that they spend vast sums of money to bring other counties' best and most promising players to their club. Also don't forget that they're in the SECOND DIVISION, and not even currently in the promotion zone.

  • POSTED BY on | September 5, 2011, 5:47 GMT

    Though Mumbai can win Ranji trophies without Tendulkar, it's like saying that since Mumbai is a great team, Tendulkar wouldn't be able to get into it. It's really funny. KP is a class act and amongst the best in the world. His presence itself is a morale booster for any team!

  • POSTED BY naveenpnayak on | September 5, 2011, 5:04 GMT

    I think KP should be there in the Final 11 in the ODI series against India. Considering the form he is in- He would be a treat to the Indian Team. I even feel kieswetter needs to be replaced by Matt Prior.

  • POSTED BY on | September 4, 2011, 23:39 GMT

    garbage by admas, kp would get in ANY team

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | September 4, 2011, 23:04 GMT

    I'm not sure what Chris Adams' motivation was, but suggesting that KP wouldn't get in a county side is too ludicrous for words. Surry might have played well without him, but he's a class above anyone they've got in their side. Maybe Adams was just trying to make light of it in case KP wasn't available- he certainly wouldn't want the present side to think that their chance of winning sank or swam with Pietersen..

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | September 4, 2011, 21:55 GMT

    Something is wrong here - the stories about KP don't tally up. I'm not concerned about Surrey. I'm more concerned about KP going missing from the WC with an "injury", then his "being rested" from England ODI duty. Now we are hearing that there is a wrist injury. I'm also getting concerned about the big fella Tremlett (Lurch). We managed ok without him, in fact, we crushed india without him - but he must be a key player in plans for Sri Lanka this winter.

  • POSTED BY on | September 4, 2011, 21:44 GMT

    Excellent to see that England have so many good players in the ranks. If County teams can flourish without the likes of KP and Tremlett then that says a whole lot about the depth of skilled players we have in the waiting. I think other cricketing countries are finally taking a look at how powerful and dangerous England are in World Cricket at the moment, and rightly so.

  • POSTED BY on | September 4, 2011, 21:35 GMT

    kp kinda got rejected:p lol lol lol

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  • POSTED BY on | September 4, 2011, 21:35 GMT

    kp kinda got rejected:p lol lol lol

  • POSTED BY on | September 4, 2011, 21:44 GMT

    Excellent to see that England have so many good players in the ranks. If County teams can flourish without the likes of KP and Tremlett then that says a whole lot about the depth of skilled players we have in the waiting. I think other cricketing countries are finally taking a look at how powerful and dangerous England are in World Cricket at the moment, and rightly so.

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | September 4, 2011, 21:55 GMT

    Something is wrong here - the stories about KP don't tally up. I'm not concerned about Surrey. I'm more concerned about KP going missing from the WC with an "injury", then his "being rested" from England ODI duty. Now we are hearing that there is a wrist injury. I'm also getting concerned about the big fella Tremlett (Lurch). We managed ok without him, in fact, we crushed india without him - but he must be a key player in plans for Sri Lanka this winter.

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | September 4, 2011, 23:04 GMT

    I'm not sure what Chris Adams' motivation was, but suggesting that KP wouldn't get in a county side is too ludicrous for words. Surry might have played well without him, but he's a class above anyone they've got in their side. Maybe Adams was just trying to make light of it in case KP wasn't available- he certainly wouldn't want the present side to think that their chance of winning sank or swam with Pietersen..

  • POSTED BY on | September 4, 2011, 23:39 GMT

    garbage by admas, kp would get in ANY team

  • POSTED BY naveenpnayak on | September 5, 2011, 5:04 GMT

    I think KP should be there in the Final 11 in the ODI series against India. Considering the form he is in- He would be a treat to the Indian Team. I even feel kieswetter needs to be replaced by Matt Prior.

  • POSTED BY on | September 5, 2011, 5:47 GMT

    Though Mumbai can win Ranji trophies without Tendulkar, it's like saying that since Mumbai is a great team, Tendulkar wouldn't be able to get into it. It's really funny. KP is a class act and amongst the best in the world. His presence itself is a morale booster for any team!

  • POSTED BY Harvey on | September 5, 2011, 8:26 GMT

    @Joshua Johnson - the reason Surrey "flourish" without KP and Tremlett is that they spend vast sums of money to bring other counties' best and most promising players to their club. Also don't forget that they're in the SECOND DIVISION, and not even currently in the promotion zone.

  • POSTED BY BifferSpice on | September 5, 2011, 8:33 GMT

    why can nobody see what adams is saying? he's not saying pietersen's not good enough to get in the team, he's saying it would be unfair on everyone who got the team to the final to be dropped to make way for a player who has played no part in getting them to the final. that would lead to an unhappy dressing room. he's showing loyalty to the players that have got his team where they are. and there's nothing wrong with that at all. it's good captaincy, not a pop at KP, and i'm sure KP would understand that entirely

  • POSTED BY bumsonseats on | September 5, 2011, 9:31 GMT

    i think it a decision made by surrey to play only from the c40 squad of players that have been selectered during the season. i have my ticket so i would like to see KP play at lords . warwickshre did not play bell about 2/3 years ago in a similar competition i would think most surrey supporters would like him to play. but i can understand it from a team moral point of view a guy could miss out even though he may have played all the games up to that point just on another note surrey must have some wages bill when u look at the names on their squad list on paper it could at present beat india. ( only joking ). strange is they are stuck in the 2nd division and not certain to go up to the 1st division. dpk