England v India, 4th npower Test, The Oval, 5th day August 22, 2011

Dhoni calm as India veer off course

Unlike in his previous four years as India captain, MS Dhoni's now-famous clinical detachment has been unable to produce a turnaround for his team
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India's last word at the end of a Test series in which they made very few statements was MS Dhoni trying to be heard during his media conference in a committee room at The Oval. As the ICC Test mace was presented to England outside, the PA system played loud celebratory music - Jerusalem, Land of Hope & Glory and more such stirring stuff - while Dhoni answered his questions. In his line of vision was a television showing live pictures of England's players receiving medals and trophies, jumping up and down on stage, their lap of honour. It must have hurt. It better have. Dhoni, not given to many shows of emotion, unsurprisingly, looked neither crushed, nor dejected. He looked as he has always looked as India captain: quite together.

A short while before he spoke to the press, Dhoni had passed a man during the presentation who appeared to have taken the defeat personally: Tiger Pataudi, the first India captain to have won a Test series overseas. Four years ago, Pataudi sat on the steps outside the old dressing rooms at The Oval, with the Indian team, including Dhoni, gathered around him. In a photograph from that day, like everyone else, Pataudi is beaming, sharing the frame with a brand new shining trophy named after his family, for which India and England will forever tussle in Tests. The Pataudi trophy now belongs to England after a 4-0 rout of clinical execution. On the stage, with the game lost well before tea, Pataudi could not even force a manful smile as the Indians walked past him to collect their medals.

Unlike in Dhoni's previous four years as India captain which began, coincidentally, after that 2007 win, a now-famous clinical detachment has been unable to produce a turnaround from his men. India could not bat out the 30-odd more overs that would have saved the final Test and left them with a scrap of at least something from the series, rather than another thumping defeat.

All that India gained from this series were lessons in what not to do in the future. Dhoni talked about what is going to be a perpetual headache over the next few years: grooming the next generation and among them, building a pool of young bowlers. "It's important to not lose bowlers, especially when you are not in the subcontinent, because manoeuvring three specialist bowlers becomes very difficult, and using part-timers, who are usually spinners," he said. "I think it will be very important to groom a few bowlers or [to] have the bench strength. If we keep playing with the same bowlers and don't give exposure to some of the youngsters, we may be forced at some point of time to straightaway bring them in to play Test cricket, which can be tough on them. So I think you need to plan it a bit and hopefully utilise the time in between in the best possible manner."

The defeat to England aside, India, Dhoni said, were going through a "grooming" period. Their challenge would be handling public expectations of victories, based around performances from their most experienced, along with giving a new generation the opportunity to break into the international game. Dhoni said the younger players coming through were of two kinds - those who immediately started "scoring from the first game they play and they are superstars in their own way" and others who took their time.

"It's not like you are always entitled to get those kind of players, which means you will have to start grooming youngsters so that they are able to play in different conditions and different scenarios once there is pressure on them. We need to groom as many youngsters as possible, try to give them confidence by not shuffling them too much. It will all be about giving confidence to the coming generation so that they are at their best when thrown at the top level."

In this series the only "youngsters" to come through were Amit Mishra, ironically with the bat, and Praveen Kumar, for his all-round feistiness. "Definitely we have the talent," Dhoni said, "if you see the players who have been performing for us who have been part of the Test side. Of course they have not been very consistent. We have somebody like a Suresh Raina, we know how talented Rohit Sharma is, Cheteshwar Pujara did decently well in South Africa, Abhinav (Mukund) did a good job in the last two series. I think we have got the talent that is needed, they need to be given the exposure and confidence. I feel that it is not always the technique... technique is important, but it's also the confidence level. If the confidence level is high, people stop talking about the technique because you are scoring runs."

On a pitch that England captain Andrew Strauss called a "little more subcontinental" compared to those for the first three Tests, India produced an almost 1990s-style post-Tendulkar collapse. Seven wickets fell for 21 runs. Seven was also the top score from the last five wickets. It came, not from three of India's top seven batsmen who were part of the crash that followed the Mishra-Tendulkar century partnership, but Ishant Sharma. Ishant's call for a review after being given out caught bat-pad, was perhaps the strongest gesture of defiance in India's nausea-inducing last hour of the Test series.

Dhoni said later that the loss of quick wickets just before the second new ball had led to the slide, after what had begun as India's best day of the tour. "It sets like a panic in the dressing room if you lose wickets in quick succession. We should have been able to stop that but we were not able to, which was the main reason why the game ended so quickly." Dhoni said, "the batting department should have performed a bit better."

Injuries, particularly to key players like Zaheer Khan and Virender Sehwag, have been cited as one of the reasons for India's failure in England. When asked whether the team should find a way to ensure that its best players are at their fittest for the most important series, Dhoni's answer appeared to indicate that external expectation often dictated how the Indians went about their business. "The expectation level is too high - (it is) one thing that doesn't allow the kind of... I wouldn't say experimentation ... but the kind of procedure that needs to involve the youngsters. When we play any side, we are expected to win and the pressure comes on the same players who have been playing for the past few years. It takes a toll on them, everyone wants to play as many games as possible. How can you say this series is important and that is not, but you don't want to miss players in key series?"

Until this result, Dhoni had not lost a series as captain. When he was asked whether his enthusiasm for the job as leader had begun to dip at any time during the series, he said, "I don't believe in surrendering. This job was given to me when I didn't really expect it and I'm not a person that believes in surrendering. I'm giving it my best shot and that's what it's all about."

For all his success, courage and risk-taking ability, a World Cup-winning captain has, within four months, become part of India's most monumental series surrender in the last decade. It must hurt. It had better. Even if he didn't show it.

Sharda Ugra is senior editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • Wismay on August 25, 2011, 12:25 GMT

    @Madhu Vamshi Rahul Dravid was never dropped from Test matches! He has played continuously and missed tests because of not being well. Once having fever and another time when he got hit on his jaw and it had a crack. But yes he was dropped from ODIs but it was more like children neglecting parents once they grow up as they can manage themselves. Young guys were playing well and Dravid was neglected for ODIs.

  • mybesteleven on August 25, 2011, 4:33 GMT

    It had been pointed out by Dhoni that the players are overworked and they are playing continuously. While answering to the question regarding IPL he said, "don't bring everything out of cricket and put it on IPL". If he feels the players are overworked why don't they boycott the IPL? Everyone is fit enough for playing IPL however when it comes to national side most of senior players injured and not fully fit. IPL ruined the classic format of the Cricket World.

  • kesasam on August 25, 2011, 0:21 GMT

    @@@@Sehwagologist@@@@ he is gone crazy...he is repeating the same paragraph on and on. Hope he hasnt sallow something that couldnt digest....Hope u enjoying the indian summer....Good luck and all the best Team England...Sri Lankan fan

  • zico123 on August 24, 2011, 15:10 GMT

    Dhoni should take break from IPL and CL, atleast he should give up captaincy and wicket keeping in IPL and CL

  • zico123 on August 24, 2011, 15:09 GMT

    There ought to be superior remuneration or compensation for Test cricketers compared to IPL or CL, if India wants to produce great young test players, otherwise all we would get is good young T20 players

  • zico123 on August 24, 2011, 15:09 GMT

    india lost badly beause of injury and fatigue inflicted by IPL, which caused most of our players to skip WI tour and so come Eng tour we were under prepared, it is too much cricket which is affecting quality. get rid of IPL and CL, india would go back on top again. our big 3 is stil lthe best. if BCCI gives so much money and importance to IPL india would never produce great young test players, all we would get is good young T20 players

  • zico123 on August 24, 2011, 15:09 GMT

    that is not fair to call for heads of our big 3, india lost so badly not because poor performance from big 3, dravid scored 3 hundreds and sachin scored 90, india lost badly because the younger lot failed likes of Raina, Gambhir, Abhinav, Sehwag, Dhoni etc, our big 3 is still the best, none of the younger players are good enough to replace them, no young player have grabbed no.6 spot yet, how can they grab no.3, 4, 5!! eventually 3,4,5 should go to Kohli, Rohit and Pujara, but first let one of them grab no.6 firmly, what longer run for younger players we are talking about, Raina already got a long run and he failed terribly, he is not a test cricketer for god sake, nor is Yuvraj.

  • Raj12345 on August 24, 2011, 13:48 GMT

    Dear Friends, it is not IPL. It is mentality of few cricketers. Their mind set totally different and they don't want give chance any new player. Even they don't have skill, they want to represent Indian in all formats. Simple example. RG should be playing test ahead of Raina, Kohli. Both Raina & Kohli is far from test. But what is happening, friendship is working out. Raina is been selected over and over. He don't have skill, why the hell we have to select him. Never select Raina, Kohli for test. Take another example, Badri failed in 3 ODIs, so many opposition from fans and saying he is unfit, IPL bully, flat track bully. No wcan you say some word about both Kohli ( failed in 3 tests) and Raina ( failed in more than 8 tests). Learn that don't hurt anyone without knowing basics. It is not badri, I am afraid that the same thing will happen to Rahanae & Puraja in future. Mark my words, they will not be allowed to play for India if RG, Raina, Kohli, Yuvi & Dhoni play.

  • on August 24, 2011, 9:50 GMT

    @Shan156-Absltly agree with you.He has never played in the pivotal no.3 position...never in his long "never ending" career!! We also know how he abhors getting pushed out form his favorite no.1 or no.2 position in ODIs.Which actually gives me the feeling that he is uncomfortable and definitely smart(maybe selfish) enough to demand ( either verbally or not) that he plays in his favorite position only...irrespective of the match situation.

  • on August 24, 2011, 7:34 GMT

    Letz not be so critical about Dhoni. I am not a Dhoni fan but he has lead the team through crisis. After 2007 World Cup, he lead the team well. This loss will definitely open the eyes of our selectors and the team. I will blame IPL for this loss. All the players suffered injuries during IPL. BCCI should instruct there key contracted players to skip IPL next year and even the champions league.

  • Wismay on August 25, 2011, 12:25 GMT

    @Madhu Vamshi Rahul Dravid was never dropped from Test matches! He has played continuously and missed tests because of not being well. Once having fever and another time when he got hit on his jaw and it had a crack. But yes he was dropped from ODIs but it was more like children neglecting parents once they grow up as they can manage themselves. Young guys were playing well and Dravid was neglected for ODIs.

  • mybesteleven on August 25, 2011, 4:33 GMT

    It had been pointed out by Dhoni that the players are overworked and they are playing continuously. While answering to the question regarding IPL he said, "don't bring everything out of cricket and put it on IPL". If he feels the players are overworked why don't they boycott the IPL? Everyone is fit enough for playing IPL however when it comes to national side most of senior players injured and not fully fit. IPL ruined the classic format of the Cricket World.

  • kesasam on August 25, 2011, 0:21 GMT

    @@@@Sehwagologist@@@@ he is gone crazy...he is repeating the same paragraph on and on. Hope he hasnt sallow something that couldnt digest....Hope u enjoying the indian summer....Good luck and all the best Team England...Sri Lankan fan

  • zico123 on August 24, 2011, 15:10 GMT

    Dhoni should take break from IPL and CL, atleast he should give up captaincy and wicket keeping in IPL and CL

  • zico123 on August 24, 2011, 15:09 GMT

    There ought to be superior remuneration or compensation for Test cricketers compared to IPL or CL, if India wants to produce great young test players, otherwise all we would get is good young T20 players

  • zico123 on August 24, 2011, 15:09 GMT

    india lost badly beause of injury and fatigue inflicted by IPL, which caused most of our players to skip WI tour and so come Eng tour we were under prepared, it is too much cricket which is affecting quality. get rid of IPL and CL, india would go back on top again. our big 3 is stil lthe best. if BCCI gives so much money and importance to IPL india would never produce great young test players, all we would get is good young T20 players

  • zico123 on August 24, 2011, 15:09 GMT

    that is not fair to call for heads of our big 3, india lost so badly not because poor performance from big 3, dravid scored 3 hundreds and sachin scored 90, india lost badly because the younger lot failed likes of Raina, Gambhir, Abhinav, Sehwag, Dhoni etc, our big 3 is still the best, none of the younger players are good enough to replace them, no young player have grabbed no.6 spot yet, how can they grab no.3, 4, 5!! eventually 3,4,5 should go to Kohli, Rohit and Pujara, but first let one of them grab no.6 firmly, what longer run for younger players we are talking about, Raina already got a long run and he failed terribly, he is not a test cricketer for god sake, nor is Yuvraj.

  • Raj12345 on August 24, 2011, 13:48 GMT

    Dear Friends, it is not IPL. It is mentality of few cricketers. Their mind set totally different and they don't want give chance any new player. Even they don't have skill, they want to represent Indian in all formats. Simple example. RG should be playing test ahead of Raina, Kohli. Both Raina & Kohli is far from test. But what is happening, friendship is working out. Raina is been selected over and over. He don't have skill, why the hell we have to select him. Never select Raina, Kohli for test. Take another example, Badri failed in 3 ODIs, so many opposition from fans and saying he is unfit, IPL bully, flat track bully. No wcan you say some word about both Kohli ( failed in 3 tests) and Raina ( failed in more than 8 tests). Learn that don't hurt anyone without knowing basics. It is not badri, I am afraid that the same thing will happen to Rahanae & Puraja in future. Mark my words, they will not be allowed to play for India if RG, Raina, Kohli, Yuvi & Dhoni play.

  • on August 24, 2011, 9:50 GMT

    @Shan156-Absltly agree with you.He has never played in the pivotal no.3 position...never in his long "never ending" career!! We also know how he abhors getting pushed out form his favorite no.1 or no.2 position in ODIs.Which actually gives me the feeling that he is uncomfortable and definitely smart(maybe selfish) enough to demand ( either verbally or not) that he plays in his favorite position only...irrespective of the match situation.

  • on August 24, 2011, 7:34 GMT

    Letz not be so critical about Dhoni. I am not a Dhoni fan but he has lead the team through crisis. After 2007 World Cup, he lead the team well. This loss will definitely open the eyes of our selectors and the team. I will blame IPL for this loss. All the players suffered injuries during IPL. BCCI should instruct there key contracted players to skip IPL next year and even the champions league.

  • vsre on August 24, 2011, 7:09 GMT

    man to man comparision . 1) Strauss Avg / Dravid excellent - India +1 2) Cook won a match / Mukund or Ghambir below Avg - England +2 3) KP good / Sachin bad - Eng +2 4) Ian Bell out standing / Laxman below par - Eng +3 5) Morgan made to look avg , though he is a below avg/ Rhina pathetic - Eng +1 6) Prior above Avg / Dhoni below std - Eng +2 7) Broad surpise package / Praveen Avg - Eng +2 8) Bresnan excellent / Ishant Poor - Eng +2 9) Swann Avg / Harbajan or mishra Pathetic - Eng +2 10) Andersen excellent / Sreeshant pathetic - Eng +2

    the Key 10 players in team Eng score 18 points compared to India 1 . the team selectors should analyse man to man - bring in players to match the no1 team for each man - like how u do in soccer Dravid/sachin/Laxman are better than the English players in their position - but they did not perform - except Dravid [pardonable]. Besides them - i dont think any player in the team deserves automatic selection. Dhonis joy ride is over.

  • vvs_911 on August 24, 2011, 1:34 GMT

    another pedestrian article.

  • on August 23, 2011, 23:45 GMT

    It is funny Dhoni talks about the batting failure. If I had not seen how he played, I would believe he scored a couple of hundreds. His last innings was pretty disgraceful.

  • somu1984 on August 23, 2011, 23:39 GMT

    Dhoni both as a batsman and captain failed miserably. Just pull out the stats and see in how many matches he has produced a big knock. Mind you he has the capability of scoring big runs and quickly. Today also we are more dependent on Big three - Sachin, Rahul and VVS. We are yet to see a big knock from No.6 or No.7 batsman. We lacked in determination and will to win the matches in England. It should serve Indian Administrator a wake up call and take harsh decision in order to regain No.1 status. There is no harm in losing a test match or a series but the manner in which they lost this series is simply not acceptable from a No.1 side.

  • Shan156 on August 23, 2011, 22:03 GMT

    Question for Indian fans - do you know if there is any reason why Tendulkar doesn't open in tests? I mean, I know that he is the greatest #4 there ever was and that is his preferred position. However, when it is needed, like in the second innings at the Oval, when poor Dravid had to go out and start all over again after carrying his bat through the innings for a valiant, unconquered 146, don't you think it would have been better had Tendulkar opened the innings and give poor Dravid a break? Surely, he is more than capable (even better than several regular openers) in playing the new ball. Other than him, there is only Laxman who could possibly open the innings but he was going to bat at #3. Why is it that Tendulkar seldom plays out of his preferred #4 position?

  • madras_boy on August 23, 2011, 21:27 GMT

    Good Lesson for India. Deserves it. India was winning everything during the last 4 years. India needs a defeat like this to come back strongly and stop being complacent. I am sure that the Indian team will come back very strongly.... Beware England !!! You have just won a series and started jumping in joy. Empty Vessels Make Noise - will fit particularly for Vaughan and Swann...... Also, it is a good lesson not to pick up any player who is not 100% fit. Zaheer, Sehwag & Gambhir should not have been in the team first. They were never 100% fit. Mukund should have played instead of Sehwag in the last 2 matches. Mukund hit a century during the 4 day match and got dropped just because of sehwag. Poor guy ! DHONI'S CALMNESS IS NOTHING BUT THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM.

  • WTEH on August 23, 2011, 20:31 GMT

    Who cares how Dhoni behave after the match??? He is (over)paid to perform in the ground, not for his talks or attitude. As far as fans concern you let down in big time Mr Dhoni.

  • on August 23, 2011, 19:18 GMT

    @JBKF Pakistan last year were a far better bowling side than India this year - they did win the Oval test. Sri Lankha earlier this year lost the series 1-0 thanks to one of the most amazing collapses I have ever seen - but it is difficult to judge them clearly as the series was ruined by the weather. Bowling strength is the most important quality of a test side - currently England and SA have the best bowling, Pakistan would come third if they would/could pick their best attack. I suspect the tests in Abu Dhabi & Dubai in January will be a real test for England.

  • ROXSPORT on August 23, 2011, 18:57 GMT

    @ Clive_Dunn: I think Dhoni's captaincy bubble has finally burst. Throughout the series he showed unimaginative captaincy and refused to learn from mistakes (just see the number of runs scored by Ian Bell through the third-man region). Also, his favouritism and bias towards his Chennai Super Kings team-mate Suresh Raina cost India at least the final test. I had thought Abhinav Mukund had done enough to warrant selection in the final test as a middle order bat. But then again that unimaginative mind did not see this possibility (in fact, I am surprised to see that he has not faced more flak on this issue). In times when Zaheer had been handling the bowlers and setting fields for them, Dhoni in fact, knew nothing about what to do and the unobtrusive Zaheer covered him perfectly. MSD is the most over-rated captain I have ever seen. Mark my words for the future will bear them out.

  • bumsonseats on August 23, 2011, 18:05 GMT

    i can understand dravid been seleced again for test matches, because he showed just what is needed as a test cricketer. to get ST to retire he will have to be carried out kicking and screaming. im sure the 100 x 100 are of more concern to him than whats best for india. dpk

  • MartinC on August 23, 2011, 17:58 GMT

    Being calm and cool in his words and actions in public is OK. However I hope in the privacy of the dressing room he has read the riot act. Some very strong words are needed both to the whole group and to individual players to make clear that the level of performance, fitness and commitment shown by the Indian team on this tour is just not acceptable.

    The two honorable exceptions being Dravid and Kumar who can hold their heads high.

    The big problem for Dhoni is he is a culpable as the rest. His wicket keeping has been shocking all series and apart from two innings so has his batting. His shot to get out with safety in sight on the last day was a terrible way for a Captain to show an example.

  • Nampally on August 23, 2011, 17:47 GMT

    The Indian team lost because it lacked the will to win and poor work ethics. When Mishra can bat and contribute in both the innings scores of 43 & 81 at crucial junctures, why did Dhoni, Gambhir & Raina fail in both the innings? This is the main question to be seriously considered by the players & the selectors. When England lost 2 quick wickets, Bell & KP put down their heads and played with guts to score 350 runs between them.That is determination to Win. Take the example of Mishra & Tendulkar. They were both well set to get big scores - Why did they get out in 80's & 90's? Never say Die is a useful phrase for Indian team to embrace. They should play with that attitude to success - Refuse to lose. Each player has a mission & he must fulfil other wisethe Team India fails.India has played consistently with lack of passion starting as early as the opening day at the Oval. Fletcher & Dhoni's job is to create that atmosphere & grit to win the games & fight hard. Play like winners & WIN.

  • on August 23, 2011, 17:27 GMT

    Why not a single indian player ever thought of retiring. You can't expect a 37 or 38 years old guy can field properly. They have three of them. Indian should seriously think of hiring a bowling coach. They should learn from the Australian. They just keep on introuducing new blood in the team. Indian are so much lured by the money involved in present cricket. I am wondering no one is going to retire. Their performance just keep on declining.

  • on August 23, 2011, 17:12 GMT

    Show some passion and stop acting like a cold fish. You have led India to a humiliation. Your play and captaincy and keeping were sub-par. Accept this and say so and move on.

  • on August 23, 2011, 17:02 GMT

    Indian players are just hungry for money they feel no pride playing for their nation...just give them ipl and money...and qit india's international playing status..:d

  • chinmaypatil on August 23, 2011, 16:41 GMT

    It's funny no one talks about accountability for this embarrassment. Dhoni should step down as India test captain or someone from BCCI should take responsibility for this. It's not a 2-1 loss, but a 4-0 drubbing. All 4 were huge losses. India looked incompetent. Agreed...it wasn't all Dhoni's fault...but he failed as a captain to motivate his troops. His tactics on the field and with selection(R P Singh over Munaf Patel) were questionable. He is still a very good captain who helped India reach the no. 1 ranking. But, he is not consistent as a batsman in test matches. India's lower order performance was miserable in this series. It is important Dhoni be consistent in test matches for India to regain no. 1 rank. If India is looking for a fresh start...why not start with a new test captain? Dhoni can still be part of the team as a wicketkeeper batsman. This will give him time to work on his own batting.

  • ShailenderSingh on August 23, 2011, 16:38 GMT

    There are only two reasons for India's complete surrender. 1. None of our batsmen want to apply themselves if the conditions are tough except Dravid. They just play their shots and get out. Thats the easiest way to avoid a challenge. 2. If Ishant and Sreesanth are given another chance in next couple of years then i would think that BCCI & selectors are bunch of jokers. Even a bowler on his debut would have taken more wickets than these two failures.

  • Raj12345 on August 23, 2011, 16:31 GMT

    I would say Dhoni don't have skill to survive in test team. No idea how is keeping place. He is not changed after this series otherwise he will not support Raina. Both Raina & RP are friends to Dhoni. So if there is no place to Dhoni, then other 2 will go out.

  • Alexk400 on August 23, 2011, 15:39 GMT

    get rid of OLIDES. All will be fine. Atleast selectors won't be afraid to cut off youngsters as they may not have reputation like oldies which are difficult to cut. Time to dump sachin and vvs laxman. Can u arrange a match against kenya, so sachin gets his 100 and we can dump that selfish over hyped player?.

  • Raki99 on August 23, 2011, 15:03 GMT

    Dhoni was calm (w2hat do you mean by that sharda what else he can do he was pathetic as a captain a leader and as a batsman apart from one innings in nottigham), Somebody should ask him to resign as a test captain after this debacle and his place in the side should be questioned? Also his selection criteria should also have to be questioned? on what basis he selected RP singh in the last test? what was munaf doing in england? But i don't think anybody would ask this question ,He plays for chennai super kings owned by MR. N srinivasan who is also the secretary of BCCI So guys think how a person can own a Professional team and also be part of BCCI? This is the state of indian cricket. This BCCI people only know one thing how to earn Millions in revenues through the sale of cricket mathches. We need more debacle like this and TV revenues to fall for this idiots to undestand. And I hope it happens Soon.

  • CricketChat on August 23, 2011, 14:51 GMT

    Ian Chappell used to say the shelf life of a captain is about 3-4 yrs. Well, MS has reached that stage. It is time to find a new captain for Ind team. Captaincy also seems to have affected his batting style as he became more obdurate once he took over from Kumble. I would say make Virat as captain in all formats since he alone appears to have the talent and temperament amongst the new comers.

  • SUNILDASWANEY on August 23, 2011, 14:39 GMT

    THE TRUTH IS THAT BESIDES A FEW PLAYERS IN THE INDIAN TEAM MOST OF THEM ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN MAKING MONEY.LIKE A LOT OF THE WEST INDIAN PLAYERS THEY DON'T SET OUT TO LOSE BUT THEY ARE NOT WILLING AT ALL TO PUT IN THE SHEER HARD WORK THAT'S NEEDED TO WIN. WE INDIANS HAVE A VERY SHORT MEMORY.FOR EXAMPLE WE WILL BEAT THE MINOR TEAMS WHICH WILL MAKE US FORGIVE THEM AND FORGET THEIR FAILURES COMPLETELY.WHEN WE LOSE AGAIN TO THE BIG THREE VIZ.ENG,SA AND AUS WE WILL PRETEND TO LOOK INTO THE MATTER VERY SERIOUSLY UNTIL WE BEAT SOME ORDINARY TEAM AGAIN.THEN THE WHOLE CYCLE WILL START ALL OVER AGAIN.THE WAY TO REMEDY THIS SITUATION IS FOR THE BCCI TO DEBAR THE NON-PERFORMERS FROM TAKING PART IN ANY GAME UNDER THEIR CONTROL.NO GAME/NO FAME/NO ENDORSEMENTS=NO MONEY.LET'S SEE HOW LONG PLAYERS LIKE DHONI GAMBHIR SEHWAG YUVRAJ ZAHER AND OTHERS CONTINUE WITH THEIR DON'T GIVE A DAMN ATTITUDE! SADLY HOWEVER THE BCCI WILL NEVER DO SUCH A THING BECAUSE THEY ARE ALSO ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING MONEY

  • on August 23, 2011, 14:14 GMT

    tha india team has no test temperment. there is no strike bowlar or any decent batsman that they can hold the nerve except dravid. all of other batsman just through there wicket like in an t20 game. & most off all the injury. i think the ipl spoil the preformance of the team.

  • on August 23, 2011, 14:00 GMT

    wow IPL bashing?? because of IPL and T20 cricket is well on the way of becoming the most watched sport in the world. Lets be honest .in the western world no one has time for a 5 day game except retired persons. In order for cricket to overtake soccer as world's no1 sport IPL must be promoted

  • Yazdegerd on August 23, 2011, 13:34 GMT

    I am going to through a big party on weekend. Justice has been done. Only the Champion deserved to be world no 1 team. If you can not take 10 wickets and score 300 plus than you still a galli cricket team. Go England Go.

  • chriso10 on August 23, 2011, 13:29 GMT

    india's stay at the top was short lived, if you can even call it a stay... truth is this squad is on its last legs, as soon they will have to retire at least 4 of its top batsmen... take out tendulkar, sehwag, laxman and dravid and you are looking at a team that will certainly not be able to match it with the worlds best. plus dhoni seems to have lost touch with things and the bowlers having little to no impact, its easy to see that india continue to fail to perform when away from home, and instead rely on doctored pitches to acheive success at home, as they always have

    well done to england but it is clear they have exposed the existing cracks and seems like india facing a rebuild period in the least

  • on August 23, 2011, 13:15 GMT

    Agreed india played its worst cricket in nearly 3 years ....and all the critics should also agree that this indian team cannot play worse than this ....hopefully there is light at the end of this tunnel ........and now there is not point in whining about this series .....result still will be .....eng 4- ind 0 .........so i guess smart people learn from their mistakes ......so lets hope india learns from this horrendous series and shows some fight in the australian series at the end of the year .....also the good thing is that this england tour is not over yet and this indian team can come back home on a high if they win the ODI series and one off T20 ....that would be a good statement for the world champions in ODI's to make

  • RS_Cric_11 on August 23, 2011, 13:06 GMT

    Lets be fair enough to say ENG had really played well. I can sense the difference between the team is IND's bowling department. If IND would have same bowling strength as like ENG's has (baring Swann - IND/SL/PAK has lots of Swanns in gulli cricket - please don't consider ranking), ppl would have said, this is how batting should have done (showing INDIAN batsman). Well, for the time being ENG 'll enjoy their run in the top for next 6 months. I can see SA's dominance over ENG in the next line up. ENG 'll have Styne/Morkel who 'll be too hot for them. In INDIA's case.. they have to find anwsers in the bowling department. We need atleast 5 bowler who can bowl as fast as Ishant Sharma and a bowling expart like JAVAGAL SRINATH not like Eric Simmons.

  • moses678 on August 23, 2011, 13:03 GMT

    Forget about everything in this series, the biggest thing missing was attitude to compete. Didnot see any killer instinct from anyone except Praveen & Dravid in this whole series. Everyone was playing as if they were forced to play or playing to reach some milestone. There never felt any team spirit or attacking mood from Indian side in whole series. Being fan of test cricket this was one of big let down and big black spot in test history of India. Winning and lossing is part of game but not to fight for either is rubbish. How can this guy call themselves international players if they are not even trying to compete ?

  • rajattiwaari on August 23, 2011, 12:55 GMT

    @salman ahmad:perhaps u must read my comment one more time.i neva said that foreigners speak against ipl.i simply referred to everyone who blamed ipl for this loss.

  • puneet_usa on August 23, 2011, 12:42 GMT

    when Players like Sachin,Sehwag,Dhoni,Yuvraj can pick and choose when to play for India and when to opt out of a tour like the recent WI trip- Something serious needs to happen- Because this shows their commitment to their country- this shows that they are focused on extending their aged career to the max rather than moving on with the course of action and accepting the facts- Now there is no hiding- It's all open in public- Where will we go from here is the NEXT BIG QUESTION?? ARE WE HOPING AGAINST HOPE?? How come these players were fit enough to play a total of 30+matches within a span of 2 so months- How come they maintain so exceptional fitness regardless it was a 20-20 format because they didn't even lasted for 20 overs throughout the test series in England- ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS PEOPLE? I AM TERRIBLY CONFUSED WITH THE STATE OF AFFAIRS WHICH THESE PLAYERS HAVE BEEN GOING ABOUT CRICKET AND MORE SO PEOPLE AT TOP IN BCCI- EVERYONE'S HONEST FEEDBACK WILL BE APPRECIATED?? THANKS A LOT.

  • East_West on August 23, 2011, 12:30 GMT

    Dhoni is Calm??? or Clueless? Here is the guy who once said he did not show much interest in watching TEST matches but only watched while Sachin batting..This tells a lot about his passion for the game!! He was just lucky! Although I never liked Sourav's politics, he was the best captain whereas Dhoni was lucky! If he is NOT a captain, his place in TESTS would have been questionable!! This is the sad state of Indian cricket! no one has a spine to question this and appoint this guy as the captain for ODIs and NOT tests! as for Sachin and Laxman! they were useless in this series!! that too in 4 tests, they never showed that they can take matters into their hands and save us from defeat!! well!! wake up, INDIA!! else one day Afghanistan will kick us to the curb!!!

  • joseyesu on August 23, 2011, 12:29 GMT

    Too many all rouders favoured england. Fatigue put India down. This same England team will find it difficult Sri, Ind.Looks like this England can hold the position as thier players are in right age to play. India after Sachin, Laxman, Dravid is a cause of worry. Why India is lagging in Quality bowling.(Zak, Praveen, Ishant, Sreeshanth, Munaf, RPsingh, Pathan, Nehra). We need character like Dravid to be in bowling to have a long success. Won't we get players like Akram, McGrath, Lee, Steyn

  • on August 23, 2011, 11:56 GMT

    i think .. england put out the air from india's world balloon... and is this a team who won the world cup? come on... dawgss.. thats not even like bangladesh.. may be they can do 400 runs.... in some innings.. other thing is that only the wall is stay there.. he batted whole day and carry the bat then he came again and try to did that... but i think the out was unlucky... y u have hot spot.. or slow motion. or snicko... ? well... i dnt believe this is a world champions... bcz a world champs never lose like this... lame excuses. bowlers

  • Clive_Dunn on August 23, 2011, 11:45 GMT

    I think you guys are a bit harsh on Dhoni, I've long felt that captains take a lot of flak for things beyond their control. It's hard to set fields for innocuous bowling ( see Mike Atherton in the 90's, good captain, rubbish bowling ). Having said that though, it would have been nice to see the Indian team actually take the field as a team, or bother to warm up in a professional manner. It seemed to be a team transported from the 1980's ( or even 1950's ), in stark contrast to a ruthlessly professional England outfit.

  • Jack.J on August 23, 2011, 11:36 GMT

    India's Only strength is Batting only Dravid shown some resilience and fight, Apaprt from England they played far better then India in all departments fielding bowling or batting. given excuses such like IPL or , playing continuously the only reason is England prepared very well for this series and India not... I hope India played well and shown some good fight in remaining One day series & T20..

  • on August 23, 2011, 11:34 GMT

    @ rajattiwaari, Im afraid its not foreigners who think that ipl is a bad influence on the national side but its most of the indians who feel that way, you would know that, if you read the comments.

  • vsre on August 23, 2011, 11:22 GMT

    think bout the below 3 points and plug it . All is not lost , we should plug it and move on. 1) The biggest weapon of our last england tour was the angle and swing that zaheer and RP could generate / but this tour we never saw a single ball that did what RP and Zak did last time . what was the reason ? ...... well sreshant / ishant - just could not do any thing they were bowling like a machine - lacked any swing or the angle. They were so predictable . 2) I will not say england batting was great . It was the bowling that kept giving the eng batsmen the confidence to play well . KP was audocious with his shots ... india was a mere spectator to that . what was the reason?..a partner ship breaker was missing. Anil Kumble. No anil like bowler this time. 3) I will not blame the Indian batting - As England bowling was of un beleivable high standards . you cant have 11 dravids . So its out of indias control . the only way we could have had a contest was with our bowling.

  • puneet_usa on August 23, 2011, 11:12 GMT

    I feel that Indian supporters and fans can only sit down calmly after India thrash england 5-0 and win the one off T-20 match as well- Thats the only way to turn tables- Meet Fire with Fire---!!!!

  • on August 23, 2011, 11:05 GMT

    Let's be honest; India did receive a "drubbing" in all four tests..And, things really got worse yesterday when we lost 7 odd wickets for 21.The worst part is, it was not as if England played out of their skins..but that Indian players forgot to take their heads along with them when they went out to bat/bowl. Throughout the long harsh days spent in the field, our bowling looked so listless and aimless: almost like a rudderless ship caught in the middle of a raging storm..Not one to miss out on such an opportunity, the English piled on the misery and never let us escape.

    This has been one of the meekest surrenders by the Indian team, and Dhoni & his men were akin to lambs being taken to slaughter..But, the only silver lining perhaps is the fact that it can't get worse than this..Maybe, just maybe, there's still some light at the end of the tunnel..but from now on, it's going to be a very very tough walk for our "young talent"..let's see of they are able to make it or break it!

  • on August 23, 2011, 10:49 GMT

    why is Irfan pathan not even considered for odis?with all the talk about players not able to preform consistently with expectatons, if there a chance of grooming one to a quality all rounder he is the one.. but i think he does not have dhoni's blessings as does raina or yuvi ...cant think of nay other reason..?

  • sanperfect11 on August 23, 2011, 10:30 GMT

    There are good batsmen in India who can play pace bowling very well. We can see that from the recently concluded Emerging Players tournament in Australia where Indian batsmen has piled heaves of run. It's just a matter of giving them the opportunity at the right time.

  • BobcatCatbob on August 23, 2011, 10:18 GMT

    India have left it too late to gradually blood new talent in to their team. I can see Dravid, Tendulkar & Laxman all retiring within a year of each other, and given Sehwag's injuries and general look of disinterest, I'd not be surprised if he called it a day too. This, coupled with the fact that they've got a group of bowlers who aren't fit enough to stand up to the rigours of test cricket, and a batsman in Gambhir who it appears lacks any kind of courage or team ethic, means that there could be some VERY lean years ahead for the Indian test team.

  • JBKD on August 23, 2011, 10:06 GMT

    A question to England Fans. Which side were tough opponents to England ? Pak; India or Sri Lanka;.

    May be Andrew Strass , Cook or Kevin will tell how is facing Pak bowlers then India's.

    India as a number one side never justifies. England is real number one right now.

  • on August 23, 2011, 10:04 GMT

    @yahya iqbal ismail you must be kidding

  • Analytical_Sathya on August 23, 2011, 10:03 GMT

    I can pinpoint 3 major reasons: 1.The present captain is not at all a captaincy material, not even deserved to play ahead of Parthiv and Dinesh. 2.India is making a huge blunder by repeatedly ignoring Munaf Patel from the bowling line up. 3.Added to that they are repeatedly selecting erratic Sreeshanth along with some biased selections like that of RP Singh.

  • Mark00 on August 23, 2011, 9:59 GMT

    India simply doesn't have enough batsmen who can play good fast bowling on anything other thandry, slow and low pitches that allow them to prop forward and wait for a delivery that they can drive through covers.

  • sanperfect11 on August 23, 2011, 9:49 GMT

    See we know we have good bench strength in batting and it's high time that players like Rahane, Pujara and Rohit Sharma should be given a fair run at the top level. But if we want to win a test match we should be able to take 20 wickets. So we seriously need to look at the bowling talent we have at our hands. We need to give young bowlers the required grooming and exposure so that they can excel at the international level in all conditions. Fielding specially catching is an another aspect where we need to pay attention because we have dropped too many crucial chances in the England series.

  • on August 23, 2011, 9:38 GMT

    Why is that Tamil Nadu players are being treated badly Vijay,Ashwin, Badrinath,Mukund.

  • on August 23, 2011, 9:38 GMT

    Always Gavaskar is saying Sreesanth is the lucky chap who was part of the world cup success in 2007 and 2011. Now also in this 4-0 humiliating whitewash Sreesanth is also the part of the team as the lucky chap.

  • ste13 on August 23, 2011, 9:32 GMT

    Three comments: 1/ I cannot understand how it was possible that Dravid matched England's superior form with his one, while the others not. 2/ You cannot balme IPL, as there was a break between IPL and England tour and some players got rest from cricket. 3/ The result is not as bad for BCCI as one may expect. With a prospect of strong India's go to seek revenge, it should be easy with marketing of England tour in 2011.

  • on August 23, 2011, 9:23 GMT

    India should groom players like rayudu,pujara who have a sound technique and who have been performing well.In the bowling dept they should encourage bowlers like vinay kumar,abinav mithun,ojaha,mishra,aswin..They should drop players like raina,ishant,harbajan from all forms of the game. Yuvraj should b picked for odi's only. virat kohli should also b given a chance in tests.After 1 year sachin(age 39 yrs ,6 months by then) ,dravid(age 39 yrs 10 months by then) will retire(after india-england series in 2012 october).By 2013 end Laxman(age 39yrs by then) will retire.2015 Worldcup is in australia and 2019 wc is in england.So the sucess of india depens upon how the young guns play abroad.

  • on August 23, 2011, 9:15 GMT

    I Knew very well that this is going to happen. If u remember my friend, after the 1st test defeat. England now play a different ball game, that is their combination, there is no one else greater than the team. ''No cricketing gods'' in their team like India has. no much ...boasting media support like India has. except for ''Board'' forcefull brand image, England have the matured quality after...''Graham gooche's era. This is thier team spirite. ''And Special thanks to ''Andy'' my favourite ZIMBABWE captain and the cricketer.....who belives...on...abiltiy...and trust of the player than anybody of the England selectors. India...is one of the better side out of 5 teams. But they were over confident of the game and its approach. Dhoni can not do anything along, but need to re-think of the team selection. We SL also have the same problem. So good luck for the ODI series. I think India will have the advantage on this.

  • on August 23, 2011, 9:03 GMT

    Hi friends i think India should take more care on few players Irfan Pathan- he was the best player few years back was thinking equal to wasim akram but now what happen to him? they should develop him again to make India strong again think of this bowing attack Irfan (in form), praveen kumar, zaheer , harbajan, ashwin you can play with 5 bowlers as Irfan and Praveen are good all rounders and Ashwin can bat too In batting I think Virat kholi should play in the test match more than raina in foreign tour as his medium fast bowling can be of advantage than the spin of Raina also he has good technique with bat than Raina we should also have good rotation policy players like Badrinath,pujara,rohit sharma thivari should be used in various series so they get confidence when our 3 pillars leave the game v cant make the fit team imm when they leave Also we need to develop few bowlers who bowl at 140km speed our bowlers are min 10kms less than that speed that made big diff in swinging condition

  • Er-.S.R.shankar on August 23, 2011, 9:01 GMT

    It is a disappointing stuff both from the writer & captain after the humiliating debacle--No I am not refering to 3-0 rout before final test. But the last test where 29 runs were required with 5 wickets to save the innings defeat--inexplicable surrender for which neither BCCI nor IPL is responsible-The pitch was not unriendly as Mishra and Sachin showed in batting What is the point in throwing cliches like'we tried our best[Did we?] or youngsters need more exposure'-The bitter truth is that our bench strength is not TEst ready Mukund deserved another chance in last test Replacement by Kohli or Rohit sharma are also not solutions as they are in one-day mould. Players like Badrinath, Pujara, Rahane & Mukund who have staying power & application[a la Dravid] have to be nurtured for tests-Spin bowlers were not provided attacking fields-Pace bowlers have to be developed as a bunch by rest&rotation Sharadaji &Dhoni-I wish you be more objective in your evaluation next time

  • on August 23, 2011, 9:01 GMT

    @rajattiwaari : I agree with u, why blame IPL for this failure. See Michael Clarke, he is more concern in playing for National test side than playing in IPL, where lot of money can be earned. How many Indian players have that much guts to not play in IPL if IPL is hindering the commitment of player in test cricket. Indian selectors did not bother about the fitness of Sehwag, Gambhir, Zaheer Khan and hurried them. Why can't they try reserve players. Leave those players to recover from injuries and after injuries let them play a good Rannji Trophy match and then select them into International matches. There were times Dravid was dropped in ODI's and test. Dropping a big player when he is in great form is mistake but taking a big player without form and with injury is horrible mistake, I would say...

  • Hindh on August 23, 2011, 8:57 GMT

    We must be thankful that this capitulation has happened in this inconsequential test series and not in the World cup in March. Now we can slowly build the team for the future.

  • Ayzaz on August 23, 2011, 8:28 GMT

    India started the series as no 1, but after a 2 horse race, they are now in 3rd position behind South Africa.

    Jokes!

  • JimMackay on August 23, 2011, 8:22 GMT

    Most of you must be kidding yourselves and I am not an English fan. This Indian team has been hammered. Yes you lost your two best bowlers, one Harbajan who had bowled awfully till he got injured. Irrespective you would have been demolished. You are the worst fielding side in the game, batsmen (Dravid aside) showed no fight and I think worst of all showed a lack of respect to Test cricket. The arrogance shown by the BCCI and this side is just astonishing, at least when the Australians were strutting around they could back it up. I feel really sad that the supposedly leading country in the game basically demonstrates that they don't give a toss about the premier form of the game. Disgraceful. England on the other hand were top class (and as an Australian that is painful to say). They don't seem to have a weakness, their bowling in particular is sublime. South Africa v England next year will be the real test. Currently England deserve the No 1 spot with only South Africa in the running.

  • 5wombats on August 23, 2011, 8:20 GMT

    Nobody cares what a leader says. People only notice what a leader does - and here's what Dhoni did; with his team in a reasonable position as he arrives at the crease; he takes a tremendous swish and gets out in the most appalling way. Disgraceful. He could have saved the game on his own if he had put his mind to it. Can you imagine any other captain of any other Test team in history doing such a rash thing in those circumstances? No, of course not. But Dhoni is just the tip of the iceberg - the attitude in Indian cricket has to change to one of Test Match principles; work-ethic and playing for the team. The way this Test series panned out it looked only as if players were trying to enhance their PIL value in the next auction. Not acceptable.

  • aarpee2 on August 23, 2011, 8:17 GMT

    Dhoni was clueless when confronted with the challenges in this crucial series .His personal form with the bat and behind the wicket did not help. After we were down 2-0, I for one did not see any evidence or effort to take corrective measures with bold tactics on the field- status quo prevailed as if it was just another day at the office-only change we went from 2-0 to 4-0 and from No1 to No3 in ranking. The lack of willingness to do things differently or even being seen to do so after the loss in the second test did not impress but depress one and all of his fans. Kudos to Rahul and Praveen for fighting the odds despite the lack of fight from teammates. Also disappointed with Bhajji and Gambhir with their attitude and with Raina on his poor display even against spin.

  • khurramsch on August 23, 2011, 8:03 GMT

    i think fans should stop excuses no sehwag, no zaheer etc. & team selection should be above names. for exapmle sehwag wasnt fit ( & he is going back for shoulder) & with no practice he has been included a head of mukhand who has 2 ok inings & a 100 in practice game when others fail.sehwag included just coz he was big name they didnt cinsider his fitness.

  • rajattiwaari on August 23, 2011, 7:53 GMT

    why blame everythn on IPL?rahul dravid and praveen kumar were the best players for india in this series and they both played in ipl.also they toured west indies,the reason why india lost is simple:england outplayed india.they were clearly the better side.no one blames english premier league when england football team is not able to win any major titles in the world of international football.last time they coulnt even qualify for euro cup.so no need to blame ipl for evry wrong thing that happens in indian cricket. every country has its own sports league ,india too have it.usa have NBA,SUPER LEAGUE,BASKETBALL LEAGUE.Whats wrong with india having a league of a sports which is loved by one and all in our country.why?

  • on August 23, 2011, 7:44 GMT

    suresh raina, dhoni, gambir and laxman failed completely in batting dept. + the bowlers

  • OffStumpLine on August 23, 2011, 7:40 GMT

    Irrespective of how straight a face MSD can keep, hurt it should and am sure it does! But for MSD's sake, I just hope this takes away the "lucky captain" / "all that he touches, turns gold" tags for good. This will now (hopefully!) allow us cricket crazy Indian fans to put things in right perspective and to view MSD as a mortal. To understand that even with MSD at the helm, things can go wrong (and very horribly so, at times!). Yes, the loss should hurt. More than the loss, the manner in which it came, should hurt more. But I just hope and pray that this would be a start of something new for Indian Cricket (despite BCCI?!). I for one, support Team India today and will do aways! Keep your chin up, chaps!

  • SanjivSanjiv on August 23, 2011, 7:38 GMT

    In the backdrop of this series whitewash, India need to prepare hard for their series against Australia. Otherwise it could be another similar result. Sanjiv Gupta Perth Australia

  • Azhar.Hassan on August 23, 2011, 7:37 GMT

    As a neutral cricket fan, what this series showed is pretty obvious. India do not have the bowling resources to be the No. 1 team. Their batting resources are still very good. But bowling is just not there - you can get by in One day matches with bits and pieces bowlers. But in test matches, you need real specialist bowlers who can take 20 wickets. Granted Zaheer was injured - but if Zaheer Khan alone is the best India has to offer in the fast (or should I say medium fast) bowling department, then things look challenging in the near future.

  • cricsteveway on August 23, 2011, 7:03 GMT

    Dhoni has said in the post-match conf that he is satisfied with the amount of effort put in by the team. Which means he is satisfied with the team not able to play bouncers and short balls? Satisfied with the main batsmen playing poor shots and getting out? Satisfied with Raina failing to prove as test player and he still supporting him? Satisfied with Amit mishra not able to get a single wicket inspite of coming in as a specialist bowler? Satisfied with RP Singh failing in comeback tour? Dhoni's calm attitude and diplomatic speaking inspite of team's performance in PANIC state sounds good and amazing. But that would not address the root cause of the issue. If Dhoni minds in resolving the performance issue of the team, he need to feel the pain, pressure and accept all the failures and weaknesses. If he is just staying positive without getting disturbed much about the results, then addressing the issues also would be only at a higher level. HE NEED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE ISSUE.

  • sanperfect11 on August 23, 2011, 6:55 GMT

    I agree that we lost our key players at the wrong time but still the way we lost is not acceptable. We seemed dejected, helpless, and willingness to fight out the difficult situations was nowhere seen in our team. Except Rahul Dravid who batted exceptionally well, all the other top order batsmen were not able to come to terms with the condition and the England bowling attack. Sometimes in the series our lower order batsmen i.e. no 7 to 11 has shown more grit and application than our top order. We can see that from the fact that we were not able to cross the 300 mark a single time in the whole series. This is the first time in a long period that we failed to deliver goods in each department as a whole. There is no harm in losing but the way we lost is what matters the most. We showed no fight, no grit, no determination and no courage. This is what hurts more. This series defeat is humiliating for us and I hope it's a lesson for us which should form the base of our future success.

  • on August 23, 2011, 6:41 GMT

    Yes, I am quite sure that if India had Zaheer Khan, they would have won the series 4-0 :)

  • ListenToMe on August 23, 2011, 6:17 GMT

    This is not the first time that India did not score 300+. For the last 12 months, out of 21 innings India players, they scored 300+ only 3 times!. It is good that India's weakness got exposed in this tour. Indian batting is not performing well in the past 12 months! Still they were no:1!!. I would blame wrong selection of players for this outcome. Yuvraj, Raina are not fit for this format now. We have Rahane, Rohit Sharma, Pujara and more better player in domestic cricket. Give them more chances and they will prove themselves. They have excellent averages (60+) in first class matches.

  • on August 23, 2011, 6:15 GMT

    AS Dhoni told that the confidence matters most in a high level match...but sill, talent, and execution is also important Don't be over confident(DHONI) otherwise as happened in this test will continue. yes confidence is a factor but most important thing is Talent and Strength.This was proved by Mr.RAHUL "THE WALL" DRAVID.

  • indianzen on August 23, 2011, 6:13 GMT

    we have always done better after our downfalls... As a true indian, I am hoping thta we will whitewash them in ODIs and T20s and keep the pride...

  • cricketizgood on August 23, 2011, 6:09 GMT

    Failing in bowling department was more liable in the loss then batting. England's pace attack were able to strike every time they had new ball and regularly. Indian pace was blunt. only English bowler didn't had a good series was Swann but he changed in last match which Mishra or Bhajji were not able to do. There would have been some competition if we have stopped them at 300 or so runs but they had to declare their innings most of the times which was shameful for as specially on pitches were we cant score 300.

    Frankly saying the English pitches were live so a score of around 300 to 400 each innings was competitive which India was unable to do and also was unable to stop England to cross it every time. England batted well but bowled EXCELLENT. Hats of to Anderson, Broad and Bresnan trio.

  • Ashmaz on August 23, 2011, 6:05 GMT

    Now We Lost Is Lost We Cant Bring Back Time So Now Indian Team Please Prepare For The Future Matches And Give Exposure Of Test Cricket To All The Youngsters In Bench If All Senior Players Get Retires At Same Time Then It Would Very Much Difficult To The Team & Foremost Thing Maintain Fitness Level Of All Players For Important Series

  • sweetspot on August 23, 2011, 5:56 GMT

    Dhoni is my superstar, in every respect. He is the ONE guy in world cricket that gets my most respect. Has he even once been arrogant? Has any player in his captaincy ever behaved in a way that could hurt the image of cricket? Calm or storm, MSD is the same. For that alone, he deserves kudos. For God's sake, Dhoni did what no Indian team managed for 28 years! Show him some respect. If this Indian team had stayed at #3 in Tests for the last two years, nobody would have bothered too much about this 4-0 deserving England victory. But Dhoni, even with his limited resources managed to get India to the top, thereby increasing expectations. I'm sure he will enjoy the pressure being off on him, and he will rebuild greatly from this position. It is not as if this Test #1 is the most important thing in the world, either. What was England in the WC? Anderson went for 91 against Bangladesh and England lost to Ireland too. So what? Life goes on!

  • on August 23, 2011, 5:54 GMT

    One cannot claim, that England is the best team from last 2-3 series, look at their performance in the world cup and let them come to the sub continent ... the truth will be out...

  • on August 23, 2011, 5:38 GMT

    India will come back in oneday series i think all players were tired they were not fit but I m happy we lose so now BCCI will hav t think about IPL

  • mashed_potatoes on August 23, 2011, 5:38 GMT

    @only_sehwag I think the fact that we don't have any standout star players is actually to our benefit. We perform only as a team and will go down in team records. Sachin can keep the individual performance column as far as we are concerned

  • IndiaNeedsBowlers on August 23, 2011, 5:36 GMT

    Dhoni must've been calm, but the statement that we tried our best is a bit overboard. I mean you had 7 wickets in hand, with a night watchmen getting 83, and two regular batsmen to follow plus injured Gambhir, and they still couldn't manage a draw. Even worse conceded an innings loss. I haven't seen the fighting spirit they showed in SA. The batting not performing, bowling not clicking etc are symptoms the main problem was the intent. India weren't prepared, they didn't have proper plans (no backup plans) and if they had any plans, they didn't have resources to execute them. And the players showed no intensity what so ever of winning. Also another concern was they had individuals performing, but never played as a team. If one bowler bowled a good spell, no support. one batsmen hanging out without support...

  • annys on August 23, 2011, 5:31 GMT

    Dhoni in the after match presentation said "we tried our best", "we tried". Mishra who is just few test matches old had a horrific bowling spell but still showed the mental toughness and the application to score 84 runs on a fifth day pitch against the best attack in the world in their home turf. Dhoni who is the captain failed miserably, raina failed against a spinner miserably,tendulkar has this habit of leaving things half done, laxman failed miserably due to bad foot work and my captain says " we tried our best" :)))))

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on August 23, 2011, 5:27 GMT

    Funny how Harbajan and all the restl suddenly became injured as soon as it was apparent that England were a country mile better than India.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on August 23, 2011, 5:22 GMT

    No more excuses left, England are just a country mile better than India in batting, bowling, fielding and fitness. They are the best team to emerge since the Australian one of the lat decade.

  • on August 23, 2011, 5:22 GMT

    i think this is the right time to expose the players like Rohit Sharma, S.Badrinath, Wasim Jaffer, R. Aswin, p. Ojha,V. Kohli, A. Mukunda to test cricket to save the image and to regain the No. 1 spot in the Test Ranking. Though the senior players like sachin, Dravid, VVS, bhaji shown their class in the past decade or more but now the level, mood, way of thinking have been changed after the new format of the cricket is introduced. so we need to rcombine again, preparing some plan to play like an unit.

  • on August 23, 2011, 5:21 GMT

    We are celebrating when India won, we should also support when India face downfall. Dhoni and his team who took the team to No.1 Position in Test Cricket. It happens to any Team when your bowlers are impotent in their bowling skills. In other countries, population is low when compared to India. But they all managed to bring good fast bowlers and class spinners. But India's population is 1000 million but not able to bring one good fast bowler. the reason is not that India do not have, its matter of Indian politics.its shame on India. Past is past. India needs to focus on the future cricket. In this series who scored runs for India are above 35 yrs of age, that means what if they retires, who will be replacements for their caliber. Just imagine there is no Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman in Test Cricket India will not even reach 200 runs in both innings put together. And bowlers like Sreesanth, RP singh and Mishra will conceed those 200 runs in one session. Think India for future Cricket !!

  • Ind_Cric_Fan79 on August 23, 2011, 5:21 GMT

    @Sanjeewa Seneviratne - hey dude, u r correct, ur team(SL) is surely way better than us (IND) in this season. But, that doesn't mean u r always better than us. We have won lot of away matches man. This humiliation will be a very gud lesson for us and I hope our team will bounce back soon.

  • on August 23, 2011, 5:11 GMT

    I love seeing all the excuses from the indian "experts" lol... It makes my day. It's a pity your spinners look like grade bowlers when not on specially prepared dust bowls.

  • CRICSL on August 23, 2011, 5:07 GMT

    GOD of IND cricket playing only for personnel records- There are many other better batsman's than him in test arena etc Kumar Sangakkara, Jack Kallis, Ricky Ponting. These players got better test average than Sachin. The only different is they didn't start to play for the country at the age of 16 and have not played more matches like Sachin. If these players were born in IND then we would have had heard their names called GOD of cricket instead of Sachin. I pity him and ENG should have allowed him to get his 100th 100 so that at least he would have thought of retire. But now he will play until he get to that 100th TON…IND youngsters keep waiting for your chances.It may come when you are 30+..LOL

  • Sarangarajan on August 23, 2011, 5:05 GMT

    Yes indeed Srilanka played far better test Cricket than India in the preceding England tour. But for one crazy session in the first test, Srilanka played with their heads held high in the series. The "much trumped up best batting line up "came cropper in England. Hope Indian Cricket does some soul searching and come up with solutions.

  • skumar77 on August 23, 2011, 4:44 GMT

    I guess this series shows much we really owe Gary Kirsten to whom we have given so little and how much we have actually given to the Indian players. The portents were clear in the WI - a team that does not have the confidence to chase 80 odd in 15 runs with 6 wickets in hand for a test win against one of the lowest ranked sides does not deserve to be no 1.

    Tendulkar, as he always does, did something but much less than what was required. This guy may be a symbol of durability but not of mental toughness when it matters. I hope stupid demands for a Bharat Ratna for this guy go out of the window. There are more deserving sportsmen who dominated their sports and deserve it more than one can say.

    Lastly, the Indian board should realize that a game cannot be all about money. I hope some Indian fans switch off their TV sets during the Champions League and the next IPL.

  • on August 23, 2011, 4:43 GMT

    For me it was Dhoni's irresponsible shot whie India were controlling the game in the first innigs of the second test made it a white wash! Stuard Broad was putting all the effort and looked rather frustruated when India were taking away the game from England. Then Dhoni came in and started fishing outside off then got out on a rather loose and irresponsible shot! Broad then finished off another three in couple of overs ! then onwards the momentum was always with England. Its really surprising that no so called "genius analysts" or fans seems to notice this part of the series :(((((

  • Podatik on August 23, 2011, 4:42 GMT

    England thoroughly deserved this series win. They were hungry, cohesive, persistent unit and they demonstrated that they still care about test matches! Unlike our over-hyped (Suresh Raina anyone?), under-cooked (Harbhajan), unfit (Sehwag, Zaheer), prima donnas aided and abetted by a dysfunctional board whose avarice knows few bounds (IPL)!

    Here's a classic instance of collective myopia: If Sehwag had picked up his shoulder injury during the world cup, it was the players', the team management's, the captain's AND the BCCI's responsibility to ensure that his surgery and recovery took precedence over the IPL! How much money do these guys make per match again? How about through endorsements?? Are they really that far below the poverty line, or have their eyes just gotten too big for their stomachs???

    I am ashamed at this lack of fight in a team that I have continued to follow through thick and thin over the past 3 decades!!!

  • crick50 on August 23, 2011, 4:41 GMT

    I have always in support of India both they win or loose. This time its different Incapable NO 1 test team. This No just got by chance by playing number of games in home ground. SA is well deserverd to be No.2 they played less game than India. Nothing have gone well in this series. Abhinav Mukund was pick of the Lot but how many games he did play after replacing king pair shew....in my opnion Abhinav is much better than RAINA.. Specialist spinner don't do their Job Harbhajan or Mishra they improved a lot as batsman but not asbowler. Another Crap Sreesanth He is ineffective bowler who take odd wickets after spraying too many runs. India has lot talent & lot knocking the door to get the chance but with this likes of Sreekanth as selector who is biased for bra.. will never get a chance.. Ashwin,Nehra, Irfan they all capable bowlers & Its shame for for no.1 to say "we did't have enough practice match. Who asked you to burn out in IPL ... Ind never deserverd to be No.1.

  • on August 23, 2011, 4:40 GMT

    Should haves, could haves. What ifs. Better selection, better preparation, fewer injuries. All these postmortems. These are professionals. How much preparation do they need, given their experience and amount of cricket played?. Even so, they could have used the first test to prepare and take it up a notch for the remaining three. Instead they got steadily worse. Injuries? The #1 team should overcome injuries. If Australia lost Warne, Lee or McGrath, someone else would take their place and they would still win. Bottom line is that they were completely outplayed and their weaknesses as a team brutally exposed. Can they recover? Yes, but only if they stop whinging with weak excuses, take it on the chin like professionals, regroup and rebuild.

  • SankarSakthivel on August 23, 2011, 4:33 GMT

    India will win the ODI series. Moreover I dont think that this England team can win away from England... They will surrender if they come to India or Aus, SA or SL.....

    We r world Champ.......

  • terrificram28 on August 23, 2011, 4:27 GMT

    About 10 years back when we went Downunder and lost 3-0 to the aussies, Anil Kumble had told to win abraod we need minimum of 400 runs in the kitty and we have been consitently delivering it against the top sides and hece we have won, this series we managed to touch 300 only once and hence the result of 4-0. we need batsman to fire... unfortunately none of them did but for Dravid..

  • Mann123 on August 23, 2011, 4:14 GMT

    I believe Dhoni is a great captain, but he didnt do his best job in this series. It was pretty evident. He could have played Ojha in last test and ask him to bowl on leg stump over the wicket to dry up the run scoring that would frustrate england. England have themselves done that with Giles in past. Batting order too was shuffled around too often. How about sending Raina up the order and keeping laxman down so atleast you are risking only an out of form batsman and not your main hopes for any resilience. Poor Gambhir gets injured every third game. He needs to take a lesson or two from Anil Kumble ( remember that game in West Indies?). Champions trophy is to start in 3 weeks, the injuries are bound to heal automatically and players will be back in form. Frustrating for indian fan. We ned to stop caring about this domestic T20 crap, we really do.

  • on August 23, 2011, 4:13 GMT

    Dhoni and the other players are unflustered because it really doesn't affect them one bit. Test rankings mean nothing money-wise, as for national pride, the reaction of the cricketers would be "Duh??". The Rahanes and the Aarons will be thrown in for the ODIs and come out badly mauled. But the airwaves are now full of publicity for the T-20 Champions League, showing the Chennai and Bangalore teams adopting mean, tough fighting machine personas. Ha ha, we all saw how mean and tough they were on the green fields of England in the summer of 2011, Anyway, if nothing else, they provided schadenfreude in spades for the ABI ( Anyone but India) brigade.

  • on August 23, 2011, 4:02 GMT

    without zac india looks like new bangladesh

  • on August 23, 2011, 3:57 GMT

    The IPL is just a domestic competition with a skill level no higher than the Clydesdale 40. The fact that it is a massive cash cow is irrelevant. The fact is that Indian cricketers have proved (Dravid aside, respect there) that they have no heart or guts for the big occasion. They have stupidly inflated averages due to playing on batsmen friendly wickets and as soon as they play on something that gives assistance to the bowlers they start whining about it. I hope England tonk them in the one dayers too, it's what they deserve.

  • on August 23, 2011, 3:40 GMT

    well.....me as a Sri Lankan is proud of my team. if not for that eventful inning, we would have come back with our heads held high.how come India failed so miserably? does that mean we play better cricket on Fast and bouncy pitches than Indians?

  • on August 23, 2011, 3:29 GMT

    Come on, we are world campions and one series defeat cant take away all glory. God is great in India.

  • 9ST9 on August 23, 2011, 3:18 GMT

    England respect Test Cricket, their fans still turn up in masses for the games and they even follow 4-day county games with great enthusiasm, I'm really happy that England are at #1 in tests, an achievement long overdue. And hope this is an eye-opener for arrogant BCCI...

  • on August 23, 2011, 3:13 GMT

    I don't understand what preparation they need. They played 4 tests, treat the first 2 tests and few days in between as practice/preparation then what happened to the remaining 2 tests. ……… Always same reason ….preparation….After playing 100s of tests they still say missed preparation in the beginning...

  • on August 23, 2011, 3:04 GMT

    make gambhir test cptn....dhoni shoud only play odi n 20 it suits him....

  • only_sehwag on August 23, 2011, 3:02 GMT

    Don't worry guys...india will comeback strongly in the IPL..

    England can be No.1 team in the world, but they are yet to produce players who keep on playing for decades for their personal records only...

  • strategic_blunder on August 23, 2011, 3:01 GMT

    Dhoni is our captain. He is the best. Period.

  • Quixotic on August 23, 2011, 2:45 GMT

    Where England fielders chase the ball in pairs to affect a run out; the Indians point to an out-fielder on the boundary to prevent a third run. As a captain Dhoni has been hindered; batsmen haven't made runs for the bowlers to attack; however, Dhoni has failed to set aggressive fields which could make his ineffectual bowlers more potent. Again, this is likely to be due to the lack of fielders that could affect these plans. But the lack of this as a tactic has been an issue. Dhoni and the slips have been a yard or two too far back throughout the series; have India have a bowler since Srinath to justify that depth in slip positioning? England at home are a superior bowling unit; but they are also backed up by energetic fielders. The pressure cooker effect of men around the bat; or knowing many balls to be faced will be short pitched; chirp, the ball whizzing past batsmen's head after every delivery to Prior or Cook creates an intensity India are seldom ever to emulate.

  • Quixotic on August 23, 2011, 2:41 GMT

    Same could be said of Sehwag who should really be rebuked for choosing to play the IPL before having shoulder surgery knowing he'd miss tests and preparation time for his Country. The hunger and desire to represent your country should be paramount. In the bowling department RP Singh's inclusion ahead of Munaf Patel is also puzzling. As a member of the original touring party Munaf is a bowler who could apply pressure with his metronomic line and length; and his none-too-shabby pace and swing both ways has troubled England in the past.

  • Quixotic on August 23, 2011, 2:35 GMT

    England have undoubtedly deserved this test series win; and India have in no small measure deserved their heavy loss. The best possible outcome of this heavy series defeat is perhaps the revolution that England faced that began under Duncan Fletcher. A review of the selection process and preparation is also vastly required. The selection, and reselection of Raina as a specialist batsman despite numerous failures and obvious discomfort with short-pitched deliveries in the long form of the game is puzzling. His value added qualities of his part time bowling and India's premier fielder is seemingly no different to Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli; both of whom have the added bonus of being relative unknown quantities. VVS Laxman has been a saviour in the past for India, but he also has failed to perform in this series; and is a player who does not have a 'value-added' quality and appear at times to be a hindrance in the field.

  • Quixotic on August 23, 2011, 2:33 GMT

    Of Sehwag's batting style Atherton commented that "a player is always conditioned by the elements in which he learns the game." This is true also of the principles of a team - England's sole-minded pursuit of the Ashes in recent years has seen them develop a killer instinct and the 'win at all costs' mentality. India have never had this mentality; perhaps this is a result of the lack of games between rivals Pakistan; perhaps the elements they play cricket in (at home), where Tests are almost guaranteed to be 5 days long and played in hot energy sapping conditions.

  • on August 23, 2011, 2:32 GMT

    India's batting let them down so badly, so too their bowling. Would Zaheer Khan have made a difference? Sehwag was made to look human rather than a fast scoring run machine. Tendulkar underperformed, the fringe players didn't step up. Dhoni has lost the series and 4 test matches in a row. Serious questions have to be asked about the team before the Australian tour. Stop all this cheap talk about India winning 4-0, 3-1, 3-0, 2-1, 2-0, 1-0. The BCCI should conduct an Argus like review and make sweeping changes about player management and how to manage the injury of players as we have seen here Indian players were injured plus they had no quality back ups as replacements.

  • CharlieAlanJakeHarperFamily on August 23, 2011, 2:28 GMT

    What I want desperately is for all our youngsters including yuvi,dhoni to play county cricket which I guess starts may every year correct me if I am wrong play minimum 2 seasons of it and let BCCI arrange fewer series during may to august so that maximum participation is possible why not put millions of bucks earned from ipl in paying ECB if required for county games for each pool of contracted indian this will only help indian in long run this is the perfect and only solution or else get ready for whitewas

  • Afgunz4Lyfe on August 23, 2011, 2:08 GMT

    Althought India was ranked No.1 for a while; I never truly considered them No.1 Test playing nation in the world mainly because there victories came on dead sub-continent pitches and with the brilliance of Sehwag, Zaheer, Tendulkar etc..in the ODI arena they have a shot at being No.1. England are the true No.1 Test team in the world. Until India dont win test series consistently overseas they cannot be the best, same holds true for England, now they should tour overseas and win test series to solidify there standings.

  • landl47 on August 23, 2011, 2:08 GMT

    Actually, I thought what Dhoni said was very sensible. You have to remember that this England side didn't just materialize from nothing. Players like Pietersen, Bell, Cook, Anderson and Strauss have all been around for years learning to be good test cricketers. Ask them about the whitewash in Australia in 2006/7. Swann was out of test cricket for 8 years, learning to be a great spin bowler. Broad was hit for six 6's in an over, when he was 21. Prior was dropped and had to go back and learn to be a top wicketkeeper/batsman. Nobody thought Bresnan had the class to be a good test bowler, but he has made himself into one. These guys developed into the best test side in the world through hard work, not just through talent. If there's one lesson India should take away from this series, that's what it is.

  • krazzyking on August 23, 2011, 1:26 GMT

    It is good thing this loss, at least Indians know how it feels to be at the other side of a whitewash. No problem, I am still supporting my team al beit with better expectaions nxt time

  • RD270 on August 23, 2011, 0:48 GMT

    It is patently clear that IPL and ODIs is where the money is - BCCI gives it maximum focus. Let us not beat around the bush, even players do. They all, including Sachin chose IPL over the WI test tour.

    The players are as short-sighted as the BCCI is greedy. So it is high time dedicated and devoted Indian supporters let the players and BCCI know their support can not be taken for granted.

    Whilst this may seem like a reaction to the 4-0 defeat, it is not. It is a reaction to the lack of planning, lack of fight and lack of vision by BCCI, the Captain and most of the players.

    We have a choice, do we support Team India because we are Indian or do we support them because they espouse the values we stand for - fighting spirit, courage, discipline, flair and vision.

  • Samiul1981 on August 23, 2011, 0:37 GMT

    India seems to be a better team in ODI & T20 versions these days. Their quality in test cricket is declining. The Indian team needs to focus on real cricket rather than taking cricket as a money machine.

  • johnathonjosephs on August 23, 2011, 0:29 GMT

    @rahulbose completely agree. Dhoni' and Raina's involvement in the Test arena is baffling as they has nowhere near the technical talent required. Pity when players like these are continuously put in the squad when you have quality talent batsman at home like Rahane (average: 67) and Pujara Dhoni was pretty confident when asked about ODIs. Would be very very disappointing if they lost in that too.... I mean India did tie with England in the WC. And Sri Lanka had quite a bit of a surprise when they played them

  • OliverWebber on August 23, 2011, 0:18 GMT

    Crucial to India's chances of a turnaround will be the relationship between Dhoni and Fletcher. When Fletcher began coaching England, they were at rock-bottom - last in the rankings, defeated by NZ, derided by fans. A strong relationship between Fletcher and captain Nasser Hussain laid the foundations for a new era of discipline, fitness, high expectations and eventually wonderful success. The question is, will the powers that be in India allow Fletcher to work his magic, or will his hands be tied?

  • FedUpOfNastyComments on August 23, 2011, 0:13 GMT

    Let's, us Indians, understand that wins and defeats will come and go. Enough has been said about the players. Let's find out how does the Indian crowd behave in these tough times. India has done even worse in the past and came up as world cup winners. They will again come back and come back hard. Success is never guaranteed.

  • dinuhebbar on August 23, 2011, 0:01 GMT

    Given the form England were in and the way Indians played them, One must say Hats off to current No.1 test team in the world. Those who watch a game, any sports including cricket, will definitely should not feel bad when some one looses. Despite 4-0 white wash, Indian supporters would have felt proud had they lost after giving a real fight (except RD). As for the statement often made 'everyone gave their 100 per cent', Let us wait for champion league to realise the truth. All these injuries, niggles etc will disappears once moolah starts pouring in. One more issue, every1 calls ST as Master Blasters. But for me, two gentlemen of Indian Cricket deserves such caption 'Blasters' RDx - The Wall and AK-110 - Jumbo.

  • m.d.wadia on August 22, 2011, 23:58 GMT

    The Indian bowlers didn't look like they had any idea what to bowl next except for a few bursts. Young Indian batsmen who clam they can hit every ball out in the stands or out of the stadium are a handful against top quality short pitch bowling. They really looked like "a deer caught in the headlights", truly a sad result to a really exciting build up for this Eng v/s Ind series. England came out with a game plan & they stuck 2 it very well. They truly look like a world class unit in the last couple of years. They have their top 9 players in all the ICC rankings currently viz. batting, bowling & all-rounder. Lets see how they maintain the composure @ the top and for how long. Feel dismayed for the Big6 of Indian cricket to see it all crumple so quickly, after all their hard work for over a decade. Rahul D, Sachin T, Vvs, Saurav G, A Kumble & Zac. Not to mention John W, Gary K & their staff. Good lesson to learn for MSD, we will c him bounce back 2 success hopefully by end of year.

  • on August 22, 2011, 23:42 GMT

    "How can you say this series is important and that is not, but you don't want to miss players in key series" -- Dhoni , what you said is not correct.. IPL is unnecessary and the Champion's trophy too... what IPL does is to injure most of the players because the volume of cricket played is too much that players are susceptible to injury seeing the number of matches played in one and half months time....

  • Rahulbose on August 22, 2011, 23:39 GMT

    Haha! Shock can often be confused with calm. Dhoni should stick to ODIs and T20, that is what he is good at.

  • selvambak on August 22, 2011, 23:24 GMT

    Remember 2007 series between Rahul Handled the Team very well.In 2011 also he is the only player fight against England Team.

  • samudralakiku on August 22, 2011, 23:22 GMT

    I do not think it would hurt them as long as they get big pay thru IPL and what not. In my opinion a captain should set an example by leading from the front. But Dhoni lacks the technique to do so and he admits that unashamedly. I wonder why they get paid so much money when they do not even have such a technique to succeed at the top level. Being an Indian supporter, I am really ashamed of such a loss to England (not to take away any credit from the superior England). I wish to see them taking it personally and perform well in Australia atleast.

  • on August 22, 2011, 23:04 GMT

    It's astonishing to think that in a 4 test series, a batting line-up containing Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman and Dhoni could not ONCE get past 300 runs. England are good, perhaps very good, but India should surely have been able to grind out at least one draw. Disappointing. A real anti-climax. It's difficult to see how India's attack could ever take 20 wickets. Let's hope Pakistan (in UAE), S. Africa and India (in India) can put up more of a fight. S. Africa surely will, but I sincerely hope the other two raise their games.

  • gilly_danda on August 22, 2011, 22:51 GMT

    Dhoni always support Suresh Raina , Rohit Sharma and Praveen Kumar,media has to reveal this secreat.what confidence he has seen in them we dont know,if you have the technique then the confidence comes auomatically.Praveen kumar is not a fast bowler,he got few wickest in swinging conditions .we need technically good batsmen like Puzara and Virat.we need bowlers who swings the ball both sides with the pace.

  • subbass on August 22, 2011, 22:50 GMT

    poor old Dohni ! I'm sure India will bounce back in oz though and only lose by say 2 tests.

  • on August 22, 2011, 22:38 GMT

    I do not agree with Dhoni's comments about Indian people too high expectation. We did not expect that India will beat England 4-0, all we expected that a decent performance. Even if a team lose then also in fighting manner. What was Dhoni's contribution in the whole series and he still rates Suresh Raina is future talent. I do not think Raina is test batsman at all, he is good for only T20 and those IPL matches. The talent to look after is Rohit Sharma, A Mukund, Pujara, Murali Vijay and Virat Kohli. Where are players like Robin Uttappa, Dinesh Karthick and Irfan Pathan. Are they not good players why are they ignored and keep on trying Raina, who cannot deal a short pitch deliver and cannot read Greame Swann straight ball. I am not saying all this bcoz India lost. If Zaheer Khan never returns then what? There must be proper reserve strenght as well, this can come only if a player is given more chance. What have Mukund done lesser than Raina, why dhoni is so die hard fan of Raina.

  • testcricketisdying on August 22, 2011, 22:17 GMT

    I thought Dhoni played a very poor shot today. It may be that this is how he plays. But the situation demanded defence and not getting out. Slashing at a wide ball to be caught in the slips when there are hardly three hours of play left to ensure a draw was poor stuff. The whole team seems to have disintegrated mentally when Tendulkar got out. It really was like one of the collapses we were used to seeing in the 1990s. Why couldn't the batsmen that followed Tendulkar show the fight and the courage that Amit Mishra showed? All it needed was one more partnership and India could have played out for a draw. They could have walked away with something - some pride and some dignity. But it was not to be. They buckled under too easily. Considering the mental toughness this team has shown in the last three years (including dealing with the pressures of the World Cup in India), this was a very strange display.

  • Chris_P on August 22, 2011, 22:09 GMT

    "India's most monumental series surrender in the last decade"? Try the history of Indian cricket. The series included the 3rd largest ever defeat in India's history plus the biggest defeat in the history of test cricket after leading on the first innings. All while holding the #1 ranking!

  • Ravi.Ajay on August 22, 2011, 21:39 GMT

    After the match in an conversation Dhoni said life is interesting when you loose. I don't know what to say about it. He looked very happy too.

  • Krishna_M on August 22, 2011, 21:36 GMT

    One more comment. As Sharda says this has to have hurt Dhoni. If not something is wrong. He can be the Captain Cool during a match or series, not showing any pain or negative emotion but Indian fans deserve some truth and honest acceptance after such a pasting when the team didn't show up for large parts of the series. His comment to Atherton at the presentation that they tried their best is hard to gulp for Indian fans.

  • Krishna_M on August 22, 2011, 21:36 GMT

    One more comment. As Sharda says this has to have hurt Dhoni. If not something is wrong. He can be the Captain Cool during a match or series, not showing any pain or negative emotion but Indian fans deserve some truth and honest acceptance after such a pasting when the team didn't show up for large parts of the series. His comment to Atherton at the presentation that they tried their best is hard to gulp for Indian fans.

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 22, 2011, 21:34 GMT

    Sharda, the problem in Indian cricket is that we pay too much attention to individual records and players. I have NEVER seen an Indian team play as a UNIT, well if you want to exclude the T20 World Cup win in 2007, the Australia tours of 2003-04 and 2008 as the few occasions. This team has always been about individuals sadly. Indians treat their cricketers as Gods which is unfair to not only the game itself but also to opponents. This has to stop. No man is bigger than the game. The great nation of India doesn't owe peanuts to Dravid or Tendulkar or Dhoni. These men owe BIG time to India and Indian fans for all the love and support. Sadly, they have let us all down. But this is the moment of healing and hope. There is a bright light at the end of the tunnel. I believe a wonderful future is in hold for the NEXT generation of Indian test cricketers. However, it's now safe to say that this is an END of an era for Indian cricket.

  • m_ilind on August 22, 2011, 21:30 GMT

    Dhoni will be sad if his team CSK loses in the upcoming T20 league. After all, he has received so much love and adulation from them!

  • on August 22, 2011, 21:24 GMT

    This is a good opportunity to relieve Dhoni of captaincy. I say this *not* because of the 0-4 result or his captaincy skills, on the contrary, he has been a very good captain. But what really hurt us this series was that our no.6 and no.7 are walking wickets. The big three masked that all along never placing too much strain on the no.6 and no.7. And by relieving Dhoni of captaincy, we can take the logical step of asking him to qualify himself for no.7 first.

  • on August 22, 2011, 21:18 GMT

    No one can take the credit from England but India have to blame themselves.

    Some of the reason for failure:

    Poor fitness No respect to conditions Poor preparation too much dependence on key players lack of match winner

    Plan to recover is simple, just get back to basics and plan ahead.

  • xjunda on August 22, 2011, 21:16 GMT

    Raina, yuvraj & dhoni must not play test cricket!

  • Krishna_M on August 22, 2011, 21:03 GMT

    Dhoni has deftly deflected the issue of the IPL. Yes, we can't expect players to choose between the IPL and be fully fit for a test series since each one might have to take into account their personal situation BUT blaming it on "external expectation" is unfair to the die hard Ind fan. The Board can't get players to play continuously and expect the same level of hunger and performance. Need to schedule and space games appropriately. So Dhoni should have been a bit more honest and said that he would like a say in India's schedule rather than blame it on external expectations. They wouldn't be what they are but for the fanatical following in India.

  • ChuckyDoll on August 22, 2011, 21:02 GMT

    Is there a disconnect between captain and selectors (yet again)? Are we going to see Dhoni resign ? Not that I want him to. When a failure of this proportion happens, it usually reeks of systemic dysfunction, not just one or two players being out of form. It must be really frustrating for Dhoni.

  • InnocentGuy on August 22, 2011, 21:01 GMT

    Dhoni, ma man. No one needs to tell you this but don't be too bothered about all this. People don't realize that it is because of you that we went to the #1 spot in Test cricket. Such discussions about falling from the top wouldn't exist if we hadn't reached the top. You are still the best in business. I'm sure you and your team will dish out the same kind of defeats to England and other teams pretty soon. And when that happens, even though I would like you to publicly say that all the critics that are bad-mouthing team India right now better zip their lips and go play marbles, knowing you, you would continue to be the same calm self and only worry about the next game that you have to play and lead the team in. You guys rock. Always will. My unfailing support to Team India, always.

  • on August 22, 2011, 20:58 GMT

    Indian media and fans are overreacting. All teams go through losing steaks. India had just climbed the WC mountain after 28 years and they have a new coach and a depleted bowling attack. It is hard to beat a very good England team in England with all that. If I were the BCCI, I would assess what to do over the next year, not in the next 48 hrs as the media and fans demand. This is test cricket -- things change slowly and for the right reasons.

  • Kurapati on August 22, 2011, 20:50 GMT

    I am a great follower of Indian Cricket and after this England debacle I am not surprised as this was a long due for Indian cricket for the measures they take for their fitness and how easy they take important tours like this one. No complaints we lost to a very best side, All we need to do is like a Argus Report where Dhoni,Sachin,Bhajji,Raina would be sacked.... India need to groom bowlers and got to give chances to batsmen who are prolific run getters in domestic circuit.. why depending on same bunch of folks all the time and lose top spot.. Yeah we never had an aura like earlier WI or late Aus... We just hanged there as nobody played good cricket for long time and its time to compete... Wish I see Indian team without Dhoni, Sachin, Bhajji from here on.... Ahem!!!

  • cricket__fan on August 22, 2011, 20:40 GMT

    Does it even matter that Dhoni was calm and cool? I am not even sure what the writer is trying to say in the entire article. We the cricket fans already know of what she has mentioned.

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  • cricket__fan on August 22, 2011, 20:40 GMT

    Does it even matter that Dhoni was calm and cool? I am not even sure what the writer is trying to say in the entire article. We the cricket fans already know of what she has mentioned.

  • Kurapati on August 22, 2011, 20:50 GMT

    I am a great follower of Indian Cricket and after this England debacle I am not surprised as this was a long due for Indian cricket for the measures they take for their fitness and how easy they take important tours like this one. No complaints we lost to a very best side, All we need to do is like a Argus Report where Dhoni,Sachin,Bhajji,Raina would be sacked.... India need to groom bowlers and got to give chances to batsmen who are prolific run getters in domestic circuit.. why depending on same bunch of folks all the time and lose top spot.. Yeah we never had an aura like earlier WI or late Aus... We just hanged there as nobody played good cricket for long time and its time to compete... Wish I see Indian team without Dhoni, Sachin, Bhajji from here on.... Ahem!!!

  • on August 22, 2011, 20:58 GMT

    Indian media and fans are overreacting. All teams go through losing steaks. India had just climbed the WC mountain after 28 years and they have a new coach and a depleted bowling attack. It is hard to beat a very good England team in England with all that. If I were the BCCI, I would assess what to do over the next year, not in the next 48 hrs as the media and fans demand. This is test cricket -- things change slowly and for the right reasons.

  • InnocentGuy on August 22, 2011, 21:01 GMT

    Dhoni, ma man. No one needs to tell you this but don't be too bothered about all this. People don't realize that it is because of you that we went to the #1 spot in Test cricket. Such discussions about falling from the top wouldn't exist if we hadn't reached the top. You are still the best in business. I'm sure you and your team will dish out the same kind of defeats to England and other teams pretty soon. And when that happens, even though I would like you to publicly say that all the critics that are bad-mouthing team India right now better zip their lips and go play marbles, knowing you, you would continue to be the same calm self and only worry about the next game that you have to play and lead the team in. You guys rock. Always will. My unfailing support to Team India, always.

  • ChuckyDoll on August 22, 2011, 21:02 GMT

    Is there a disconnect between captain and selectors (yet again)? Are we going to see Dhoni resign ? Not that I want him to. When a failure of this proportion happens, it usually reeks of systemic dysfunction, not just one or two players being out of form. It must be really frustrating for Dhoni.

  • Krishna_M on August 22, 2011, 21:03 GMT

    Dhoni has deftly deflected the issue of the IPL. Yes, we can't expect players to choose between the IPL and be fully fit for a test series since each one might have to take into account their personal situation BUT blaming it on "external expectation" is unfair to the die hard Ind fan. The Board can't get players to play continuously and expect the same level of hunger and performance. Need to schedule and space games appropriately. So Dhoni should have been a bit more honest and said that he would like a say in India's schedule rather than blame it on external expectations. They wouldn't be what they are but for the fanatical following in India.

  • xjunda on August 22, 2011, 21:16 GMT

    Raina, yuvraj & dhoni must not play test cricket!

  • on August 22, 2011, 21:18 GMT

    No one can take the credit from England but India have to blame themselves.

    Some of the reason for failure:

    Poor fitness No respect to conditions Poor preparation too much dependence on key players lack of match winner

    Plan to recover is simple, just get back to basics and plan ahead.

  • on August 22, 2011, 21:24 GMT

    This is a good opportunity to relieve Dhoni of captaincy. I say this *not* because of the 0-4 result or his captaincy skills, on the contrary, he has been a very good captain. But what really hurt us this series was that our no.6 and no.7 are walking wickets. The big three masked that all along never placing too much strain on the no.6 and no.7. And by relieving Dhoni of captaincy, we can take the logical step of asking him to qualify himself for no.7 first.

  • m_ilind on August 22, 2011, 21:30 GMT

    Dhoni will be sad if his team CSK loses in the upcoming T20 league. After all, he has received so much love and adulation from them!