India in England 2011 August 26, 2011

Dhoni needs to put his foot down - Lloyd

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Clive Lloyd, former West Indies captain and leader of one of the most dominant teams in cricket history, feels the time has come for MS Dhoni to put his foot down and ask for a team he wants. That is the only way, Lloyd reckoned, that Dhoni can lead India back to the summit of Test cricket.

Lloyd was virtually in a similar boat to Dhoni in 1975. On June 21 that year, West Indies had won the inaugural World Cup, beating the favourites Australia in the final. Four months later, they travelled to Australia to face Greg Chappell's team, the best Test side of the time, and were overwhelmed 5-1 in the six-match series. Lloyd's men were knocked off their pedestal by the supreme velocity deployed by fast bowling quartet of Dennis Lillee, Jeff Thompson, Gary Gilmour and Max Walker.

Lloyd understood the only way West Indies could regain their preeminence and hit back at Australia was to use the same method - extreme pace. That was the genesis of perhaps the most famous fast bowling quartet of all time in Andy Roberts, Michael Holding, Colin Croft and Joel Garner, who intimidated the best batsmen in the world for close to a decade.

"When I became captain I decided, fine, I have to do something different," Lloyd told ESPNcricinfo at St Lawrence County Ground in Canterbury where he had come to announce the shortlist for the 2011 ICC Awards. "I just put my foot down and said this is what I want. If you are going to be the captain you have to fashion things in your way and you have to tell the board exactly you are trying to do it. And they must back it."

The West Indies Cricket Board did not dispute Lloyd's decision. "They did [back it]. And that is how we came out trumps."

For the record Lloyd would go on to lose only one more series as captain - in New Zealand in 1979-80. According to Lloyd, India could actually use the 4-0 Test series defeat to England as a "catalyst" to develop the right tools that will help them get back to their winning ways. "It is entirely up to them how they use this opportunity and learn from their mistake," Lloyd said of India. "Eventually they will get back to their winning ways as they still are one of the best teams. This should be catalyst for making things right. They need to admit that we have made mistakes and we have to rectify them. "

One big reason Lloyd's West Indies reigned supreme for close to a decade was he had the respect of his players. In the aftermath of his first series defeat as captain, there is a steadily growing perception in India about Dhoni's ubercool attitude, a trait that has helped him enjoy a healthy relationship with the players in the four teams he currently leads (India in all forms of the game and the Chennai Super Kings in the IPL) needs to change. The suggestions are that he needs to be more involved in man-management.

Lloyd said he had the support of his players and a good management team that put a hand on his shoulder and whispered in his ear if there was anything going on that wasn't in accordance with team plans. "That is where your team management comes in: they need to help him and remind him how exactly to getting back the winning ways. People will make remarks but you have to work at what you want, what you think is good enough for you to sort of to be the top team. You made them No.1 in the world, you lead them to world cup victory, so you have to try and re-group and make India a top team again."

Simultaneously, Dhoni also needs to perform to strengthen his grip on the captaincy. He made twin fifties in the third Test in Birmingham but his last century (132) came in the series-levelling Test in Kolkata against South Africa on Valentine's Day, 2010. An increasing workload that has reached unmanageable proportions has also affected his wicketkeeping, as witnessed during the England series where Dhoni failed to collect the ball neatly on many occasions.

"I respected my players and they respected me. It is the respect that is important," Lloyd said. "You have to go out there and perform and play by example and think about what you want to do is a captain. This is just a little blip and I hope Dhoni understands the importance of what he has to achieve in the next year or so to get India back in the park."

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on August 29, 2011, 21:57 GMT

    If Cricket is religion in India then Indians are deviants............to the new sect - T20 - Shehzad Ghani :P

  • Raj12345 on August 29, 2011, 15:29 GMT

    @StraightHit. You too understood tricks. Yes. Dhoni only selects the team so far and always ask for his friends. Fans,Please forget WC2011 Win. that is over. if you argue for Raina, RG, Kohli, read out their scoring outside indin in last 2 years. It is really surprise, why these people are not allowing any new cricketer to play in middle order. That is always big question. they want to play all formats T20, ODI & Test. this is really upset for other eligible players.

  • Raj12345 on August 29, 2011, 13:44 GMT

    At least some people started realizing now why DK is kept far away from his game. Whenever Dk asked to play, he played. He never given chance like Raina/RG/Kohli, then how will you expect him to score runs in single match. I respect Dhoni's win at 2011, but I can't remember that too long. You have to play every day with 100% involvement if not take rest, don't kill others chance. I am sure, not today, one other truth will come out, how present indian cricket is controlled by few players and not allowing any new people in middle order. Some more people will believe this once Rahane is denied with chances in future.

  • on August 29, 2011, 12:42 GMT

    in my opinion it is wrong to blame dhoni.he lost the series 4-0 but this is not the one sided affair as it looks.1-1 series result was what indians could have achieved easily. i will explain how, in first test 5 wickets were left and only one session was there to negotiate draw was manageable(0-0).in second test indians were on top twice as england 124-8 and india 267-4 but they failed to capitalize and eventually lost the match they could have won(0-1) .in third test they were outplayed and they deserved the defeat(1-1).in last test we saw the heroics of mishra and tendulkar on final day, little responsible innings from raina and dhoni could have saved us for a draw.1-1 is what the series result could have been easily achieved.this series would be remembered fo rlost of opportunities.

  • kaathir on August 29, 2011, 11:08 GMT

    we found so many young players but none of them are promising. i would like to point out that our team is lacking (bowling) than other international team thats for sure. the lacking is not happened now its always there but our batsman hide it by some solid performances . but in england when the batsman failed the weakness has been shown.

  • kaathir on August 29, 2011, 11:02 GMT

    IPL sure spoils cricket which is used to be.

  • kaathir on August 29, 2011, 10:40 GMT

    @Nishikanth first of all i am not a sachin fan i love all the players who plays sensible cricket according to the circumstances. its the duty of the captain (Common) to maintain a team. if he is a better captain then why can't he save a single innings.

  • Nishikanth on August 29, 2011, 9:44 GMT

    @kaathir on (August 29 2011, 05:16 AM GMT) ... LOL, "Dhoni was never a cool captain. if see when ever a crucial time comes he never last in the pitch"???? What about recent world cup performance??? He made sure India worn the 2011 wold cup with 91*. From 2007 T20 world cup to 2011 ODI world cup to No1 spot in tests to many more records... many accolades to this great man! the problem withyou guys is that you all are not happy with him cos he is not a conventional cricketer.. his styles are new, his leadership is new, he methods are new.. so much for a change averse country of ours, we cant accept change, we love being in a condition where if Mr.Tendulkar does not play we MUST loose, not that I am against Sachin, he is great player of the game, but why are you behind Dhoni? The sole reason we lost the test series and performed poorly starting from west indies to england is because of player unavailability and nothing more.. see if England can perform with so many players missing..

  • kaathir on August 29, 2011, 5:16 GMT

    to my opinion Dhoni was never a cool captain. if see when ever a crucial time comes he never last in the pitch. how mwny times he scored when need to win and he is the only batsman left where is his coolness

  • on August 29, 2011, 3:30 GMT

    i m seeing everyone saying that dinesh karthik and Parthiv Patel are as good as dhoni...that is a joke...dhoni is just not in the nick of things at the moment... but i would actually like to see...raina out...and uthappa in... pinch hitter...and a player that can bat anywhere... raina has been given quite a few chances...while robin (even after what he did in the IPL) hasnt even been given a look... + with that...people like RP Singh...who are not even fit...are playing...while people like IK Pathan are sitting out...when they can bowl as good as them...but bat even better... this is just the way i see things...i might be wrong...but this is a team that should have the top 11 players playing in the 1.2 BILLION population...and not just Dhoni and friends...

  • on August 29, 2011, 21:57 GMT

    If Cricket is religion in India then Indians are deviants............to the new sect - T20 - Shehzad Ghani :P

  • Raj12345 on August 29, 2011, 15:29 GMT

    @StraightHit. You too understood tricks. Yes. Dhoni only selects the team so far and always ask for his friends. Fans,Please forget WC2011 Win. that is over. if you argue for Raina, RG, Kohli, read out their scoring outside indin in last 2 years. It is really surprise, why these people are not allowing any new cricketer to play in middle order. That is always big question. they want to play all formats T20, ODI & Test. this is really upset for other eligible players.

  • Raj12345 on August 29, 2011, 13:44 GMT

    At least some people started realizing now why DK is kept far away from his game. Whenever Dk asked to play, he played. He never given chance like Raina/RG/Kohli, then how will you expect him to score runs in single match. I respect Dhoni's win at 2011, but I can't remember that too long. You have to play every day with 100% involvement if not take rest, don't kill others chance. I am sure, not today, one other truth will come out, how present indian cricket is controlled by few players and not allowing any new people in middle order. Some more people will believe this once Rahane is denied with chances in future.

  • on August 29, 2011, 12:42 GMT

    in my opinion it is wrong to blame dhoni.he lost the series 4-0 but this is not the one sided affair as it looks.1-1 series result was what indians could have achieved easily. i will explain how, in first test 5 wickets were left and only one session was there to negotiate draw was manageable(0-0).in second test indians were on top twice as england 124-8 and india 267-4 but they failed to capitalize and eventually lost the match they could have won(0-1) .in third test they were outplayed and they deserved the defeat(1-1).in last test we saw the heroics of mishra and tendulkar on final day, little responsible innings from raina and dhoni could have saved us for a draw.1-1 is what the series result could have been easily achieved.this series would be remembered fo rlost of opportunities.

  • kaathir on August 29, 2011, 11:08 GMT

    we found so many young players but none of them are promising. i would like to point out that our team is lacking (bowling) than other international team thats for sure. the lacking is not happened now its always there but our batsman hide it by some solid performances . but in england when the batsman failed the weakness has been shown.

  • kaathir on August 29, 2011, 11:02 GMT

    IPL sure spoils cricket which is used to be.

  • kaathir on August 29, 2011, 10:40 GMT

    @Nishikanth first of all i am not a sachin fan i love all the players who plays sensible cricket according to the circumstances. its the duty of the captain (Common) to maintain a team. if he is a better captain then why can't he save a single innings.

  • Nishikanth on August 29, 2011, 9:44 GMT

    @kaathir on (August 29 2011, 05:16 AM GMT) ... LOL, "Dhoni was never a cool captain. if see when ever a crucial time comes he never last in the pitch"???? What about recent world cup performance??? He made sure India worn the 2011 wold cup with 91*. From 2007 T20 world cup to 2011 ODI world cup to No1 spot in tests to many more records... many accolades to this great man! the problem withyou guys is that you all are not happy with him cos he is not a conventional cricketer.. his styles are new, his leadership is new, he methods are new.. so much for a change averse country of ours, we cant accept change, we love being in a condition where if Mr.Tendulkar does not play we MUST loose, not that I am against Sachin, he is great player of the game, but why are you behind Dhoni? The sole reason we lost the test series and performed poorly starting from west indies to england is because of player unavailability and nothing more.. see if England can perform with so many players missing..

  • kaathir on August 29, 2011, 5:16 GMT

    to my opinion Dhoni was never a cool captain. if see when ever a crucial time comes he never last in the pitch. how mwny times he scored when need to win and he is the only batsman left where is his coolness

  • on August 29, 2011, 3:30 GMT

    i m seeing everyone saying that dinesh karthik and Parthiv Patel are as good as dhoni...that is a joke...dhoni is just not in the nick of things at the moment... but i would actually like to see...raina out...and uthappa in... pinch hitter...and a player that can bat anywhere... raina has been given quite a few chances...while robin (even after what he did in the IPL) hasnt even been given a look... + with that...people like RP Singh...who are not even fit...are playing...while people like IK Pathan are sitting out...when they can bowl as good as them...but bat even better... this is just the way i see things...i might be wrong...but this is a team that should have the top 11 players playing in the 1.2 BILLION population...and not just Dhoni and friends...

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 29, 2011, 2:27 GMT

    @ABP235, can't agree more! Dinesh Karthik, especially, is not being allowed to be brought anywhere close to the team. He would eat Dhoni alive just with his batting, on any given day, against any attack, at any batting position. Dinesh Karthik's keeping is definitely not as bad as Dhoni by any stretch of imagination. You are just being too lenient on Dhoni aka too insulting on Dinesh Karthik. Dinesh Karthik was systematically and methodically phased out of contention once Dravid gave up Captaincy.

  • hawkeye30 on August 28, 2011, 18:34 GMT

    Cut some slack for Dhoni guys. Few months back most of you people praised him for the WC victory. The white wash in England was humiliating. Yet it was not all his fault. There is a limit to what a captain can do. There was no way India was going to beat England in England with batting. India had to take 20 wickets and with harbhajan with his pathetic performance and Zaheer the main strike out of the game it always was looking bad. India should pick teams based on performance and fitness. Yet India emphasizes on big names such as harbhajan, yuvraj etc. To take them to glory. Another factor India has to think about is the batsmans ability to play the rising ball. Let's not for get Sri Lanka only lost one match and drew two games just few weeks before the Indian tour.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 28, 2011, 14:20 GMT

    Any unbiased person could see that Dinesh Karthik is getting a raw deal here. Nobody can stop the Sun's rays with his palms. Dinesh Karthik WILL make it to the Indian Team in the near future. He is in a totally different league as a batsman, on par with any specialist batsman. Getting rid-off the non-performing Dhoni will definitely allow us 5 bowlers option. That's the way to go. Because Dhoni is turning out to be a sitting duck with the bat, we will continue to need an extra batsman (Raina or Yuvraj Singh.....) and it's always going to be an uphill task for the 4 bowlers who are already not so good. India is going to struggle as long as we don't address this basic issue.

  • AB235 on August 28, 2011, 14:08 GMT

    Its strange people talk about a particular state even today. If people talk about TN (I am not from there), we can also talk about other states (I am from the state where the only successful Indian on the England tour hails from). Just see how two unfit openers Sehwag and Gambhir both from Delhi got a chance to play 3rd and 4th test, despite in the tour match it was only A. Mukund from TN scored a century! As someone has rightly put, Dinesh Karthik was the best keeper India had, and even without it, he proved to be the most prolific batsman in the last England tour (when Dhoni stayed keeper, but fortunately Dhoni was not the captain). Thereafter, Dhoni has preferred to take a bunny like Saha and kept Karthik (and Parthiv Patel who too is a better batsman, including opening, and at least as good or bad as Dhoni in keeping) far away from the team. It must be so distressing to the talent of Karthik who had played some great knocks in the past. I hope selectors do some justice now at least

  • ABP235 on August 28, 2011, 13:59 GMT

    Mr Lloyd, you may have been a great captain (its a kids play when you captain a side like that actually!), but you are a poor observer, at least as regards to Indian cricket. The problems in test cricket are emanating from the fact that Dhoni is more powerful than he ought to be. He has had his way in team selection, which justifies the presence of someone like W. Saha as the reserve wicket keeper instead of a Parthiv Patel or a Dinesh karthik. The only problem with these 2 guys is that, they pose a serious threat to Dhoni's existence in the team if brought anywhere close to the team. Dhoni has played worst games with these 2 lads and has always refused to rest even for tour games (as you saw in the last 2 matches in England) and never ever given the task of keeping to Patel in these games (and even in his IPL side Chennai). Both Patel and Karthik have the capability of batting anywhere in the line up and are as good or as bad as Dhoni in terms of keeping. This is just an example.

  • Raj12345 on August 28, 2011, 13:28 GMT

    Guys stop telling about Badri. He don't have anyone in india to support him. He has not played test like Raina. Raina is comfortable playing all matches and scoring zeros. Badri not given 3 tests so far. What is point in telling about Badri. One more baseless comments floating here. Common guys, be honest, how many TN players selected and part of playing 11. Recent 4-0, how many super stars scored single 50. Except dravid no one played. then what is point in spelling word TN. This attitude has to change. Is Raina really deserved a place in all format. I have not seen hims cored runs in the past. Also Dhoni. DK is better WK than Dhoni, that is the reason Dhoni not selecting DK and that makes Dhoni place questionable.

  • PTtheAxis on August 28, 2011, 12:52 GMT

    foot needs to be put down on dhoni ... thats what clive was trying to say.

  • on August 28, 2011, 12:21 GMT

    Common MSD thrz nothing wrong with u but select the team which has atleast 90% fit for the coming matches....Common MSD thrz nothing wrong with u but select the team which has atleast 90% fit for the coming matches....

  • lokphy on August 28, 2011, 8:08 GMT

    Few suggestions for the Indian team and board: - Don't allow players having age less than 30 yrs to play in IPL. > For following keep the rotation based on performances... - Have 2-3 wicketkeepers. - Have 2-3 players for number 6 batsman - Have 2-3 players as an allrounder.

  • Shrescs on August 28, 2011, 7:58 GMT

    Cool !!! Lloyd really gives a damn about Dhoni, Man!! :). Good for him!!

  • johnson0211 on August 28, 2011, 6:06 GMT

    dhoni should come in opening instead of shewag, or call usuf pathan in opening. otherwise india will loose odi as well.

  • cricketzilla on August 28, 2011, 5:24 GMT

    I don't think England are as good as they are being made to look like after their 4-0 win against India. The performance by India was very surprising considering that they are much improved side in overseas conditions since last 2-3 years. India just didn't play to their ability. India's strength always has been batting and it just didn't click in this series.India needs separate group of players with test match attitude and not players with t20 attitude.

  • pcraju on August 28, 2011, 4:07 GMT

    TEST TEAM: SEHWAG, GAMBHIR, DRAVID, YUVRAJ, DINESH KARTHIK OR P PATEL, ROHIT SHARMA, DHONI, ZAHEER, ISHANT, ASHWIN, PRAVEEN. Backup options: Kohli and others who are in form and doing well in first-class cricket not T20.

  • pcraju on August 28, 2011, 3:44 GMT

    Remediation plan: All indian cricketers playing international tournaments stop playing IPL. For upcoming talents, get them to play more first-class (4 day matches) than 20-20 formats. Dhoni is good as a Captan but he should get trained more on playing test cricket. So Dhoni should erase from his mind being tuned only to shorter format of the game. Remove the underperforming players who are in the team by Dhoni or other's influence. Raina should not be in any format of the game. Harbhajan should be given break of 6 months to prove himself through domestic or county cricket. Spinners like Mishra or Karthik are useless. Ashwin is the only spinner whom we see some potential. Dhoni can give up keeping to concentrate on his batting more. Expecting him to be good keeper, batsman and captain is a lot for Indian cricketers. Our players cant do well in multiple roles because of our nature. SACHIN CAN RETIRE FROM TESTS. LAXMAN TOO. Sehwag should change his batting style when it comes to test.

  • Chris_P on August 28, 2011, 1:39 GMT

    @Down_Under. As much as I hate to admit it, England's success was due to meticulous planning, long term vision abd a sekf =belief that has been lacking in England for a long time. They do deserve to be ranked #1 due to the comprehensive nature of their overall attack. It is a simple game and they have playerd to it exceptionally well. Hats off to them.

  • Chris_P on August 28, 2011, 1:30 GMT

    @Lahori_munde Where did I mention turning pitches, which I have no issue especially as Sydney has had that tradition. I am talking about SUB STANDARD pitches, re: 4th test 2004/05 where Michael Clarke grabbed 6 for 9!! FYI, Australia probably turns out the most varied pitches over a series with greentops, seaming, turning and roads all in one series. As far as umpiring is concerned, India's lack of representatives on the elite panel, and this from a country boasting the most number of qualified umpires surely reflects the standard? Don't know how to play turning pitches. We have, unlike you guys, won over there in the past, so if we can't play and beat you in previous series, what does that say about your team? Either write something sensible or refrain from jingoistic rhetoric.

  • arshad817 on August 28, 2011, 0:37 GMT

    Most of the persent team is the choice of Dhoni, I believe he get personal on picking them up and see how friendly he is or they are to him them instead of their performance, we all know when news came out that he offered to resign if Irfan is included in team. Well you get what you choose, here is what you got Dhoni, its a national team not your franchise.

  • The_Wog on August 28, 2011, 0:29 GMT

    Wow Drumbeat - gotta give you full points for using the word "objectively" in there. The greentop pitches? They must be the ones where ENG made 700 against seam / swing attack then. Like in AUS last Ashes, the pitches only only seemed to be playing up when ENG was bowling - they played perfectly flat the rest of the time. Dubious umpiring?? Taufel gave one shocker when it was all over (after reprieving SRT), but IND doesn't get to complain about umpiring EVER. They hand-pick umpires (Bowden has gifted them a couple of matches through a string of errors so far, so keeps coming back), sack the ones they don't like, intimidate the rest and then turn on and off parts of the Umpire, Don't Remove Sachin system as suits them. And to have Zaheer fully fit, they would have needed to hold the series at Xmas (which is a bit cold and snowy for cricket)!

  • landl47 on August 27, 2011, 23:56 GMT

    Great advice from Clive Lloyd! Find four world-class fast bowlers and you'll win matches. Of course, there's one slight problem- India hasn't got four world-class fast bowlers. What's plan B, Clive, because the current West Indies side is badly in need of help? The truth is that, although I don't underestimate Clive Lloyd's contribution to the great West Indies sides in the 1975-1995 period, he was just lucky in that a number of really good players came along at the same time. After those players were finished, Australia had the same run of good fortune. Now they're done and the England team looks set to be a power for a long time to come. It's all a matter of having the talent to work with. Yes, a good captain and management team are very important, but unless you have the players, you won't win. It's as simple as that.

  • slip_catcher on August 27, 2011, 23:50 GMT

    What Dhoni does is back his instincts in choosing players. I think R.P. Singh in England is on Dhoni's choice. He is playing all practice matches now. Remember RP was the only guy invited to Dhoni's marriage. As for Yuvraj, Sreesanth, Bhajji etc they need a nurturing captain not a cool on. Indpendent fellows will do well under Dhoni but we Indians usually need some nurturing, some inspiration to move forward. Posing like an intellectual quiet guy will not work.

  • Silloh on August 27, 2011, 23:24 GMT

    I agree with Mr. Clive Lloyd that as a captain he should be able to heavily influence the selection of the team. Afte rall he was probably the best ever captain we had and the consistent positive results that we enjoyed was just superb. But that was during his era. I am just reflecting on whether he has passed on the same advice he is suggesting to Dhoni , to the current Windies capt, Darren Sammy. For that you will not see in the west Indies.

  • on August 27, 2011, 22:15 GMT

    I agree with Mr Lloyd that Dhoni needs to get his kind of team. Dhoni is smart enough to know this and he is a good leader. One bad series doesn't undo previous accomplishments.

  • dhiman2 on August 27, 2011, 20:27 GMT

    dhoni does not know how to lead a team,ask sourav,loyd steve waugh or imran. he is d king on indian flat pitches and liliput abroad against good opponents. he must be sacked.

  • on August 27, 2011, 19:28 GMT

    @ MaruthuDelft

    How can u say Yuvraj is undeserving. He was the man of the world cup four months back.. Even Raina has played so many good innings for India. Although I agree with you that Raina is not suited for Test Cricket.. Badrinath has been given chances but he has not converted those chances. If someone deserve a chance then it is Cheteshwar Pujara who played well when he was given chance against Aussies.....

  • Pritt32 on August 27, 2011, 19:21 GMT

    I agree with what West Indies legend urges Dhoni to do. Dhoni and coach needs to put their foot down on players by demanding 100% commitment of players and imposing mandatory fitness regimes and training sessions. I am not faulting Dhoni as a person, but he does need to toughen up a lot and stop making excuses such as tiredness. He comes across as far too laid back in interviews. He needs to stamp authority and not tolerate failure from players. He needs to improve his game, but the captaincy lack a bit of inspiration at present. He played an instrumental role in winning the world cup. We cannot fault that, but Indian cricket standards have slipped over the last three months as the whitewash England series highlights. The national team weighs greater importance than IPL. I hope BCCI, captain and coach put their heads together and rescue Indian cricket.

  • on August 27, 2011, 18:04 GMT

    Guys, stop criticizing Dhoni. Its just a bad phase and I am sure it would pass. And yes Dhoni deserve to be in Test Team. This is the first series loss under his captaincy. He is a great captain, great batsman and a great Human Being. And look at the tight schedule these players have. First WC, then marathonic IPL, then West Indies and then this series. No other team is as busy as India and no other captain is as busy as him. Only enough can somebody take, So we can ignore these defeat for a while. Let them settle. INDIA will be back with a bang.

  • MaruthuDelft on August 27, 2011, 17:29 GMT

    Certain readers have pointed it out right. Dhoni picks players like Yuvraj. You should have seen the way Yuvi struggled against short pitchers in the second test. He and Raina should never have played international cricket. It is unfair. For example they have already killed the international career of Badrinath. When Harsha Bogle asked him about that Punjab Kings lad who made 120 Dhoni was dodgy because he wants to reserve the batting spots for his friends. Let us hope that lad and badri are not finished. Dhoni is seriously lopsided.

  • on August 27, 2011, 17:17 GMT

    First of all cricketers in India have become IPL Servants. They are useless, unfit to play International Test Cricket. And Dhoni is more interested in putting his foot in IPL parties than for cricket. This Team India is IPL servant and completely unfit and useless to play International Cricket or Test Cricket. IPL has taken betting to highest level. IPL is not a Cricketing event it is a worst commerical event. Team India and BCCI is completely focussed on IPL. Because of IPL, Team India is losing skill, inspiration, motivation and fitness to play Test Cricket. These curators, coaches and BCCI officials are working for IPL growth rather than Cricket growth. Until IPL is thrashed, Team India is not going to perform well in other tournaments. IPL is completely meaningless and obsolete Tournament. Test, ODI & T20 Cricket is great to watch between Countries unlike IPL Teams which look like clubs. Test Cricket is ultimate to watch on sportive pitches. But IPL is making these pitches Lifeless

  • on August 27, 2011, 16:26 GMT

    I've seen lot of guys posting their personal opinions about our recent failure. Hope comes from the dejection. It's a blessing in disguise. Now Bcci has to set some strategies ahead for Future tours. We need to develop a lot in pace bowling department n we should learn from our mistakes to become no.1 again

  • demon_bowler on August 27, 2011, 16:16 GMT

    I am delighted to read the reaction of Indian fans. Their complacency, sour grapes, and excuse-making will ensure that India continue to drop down the rankings table.

  • srithampravin6 on August 27, 2011, 16:05 GMT

    @ dravid_gravitas.......man plzd to c u in this conv......finally an anti-dhonian...its hightime we raise flags against dhoni....let us put aside the jan lokpal bill...dhoni is completely overshadowed by his peer's success...this happens and will continue to happen....mr.lloyd ask him not to put his foot down ask him to hang his shoes.....times over...his cinematic thoughts are gonna cramp once the legends call it a day....india will drop below zimbabwe once the legends retire....the next generation of perfectionists will never be capped by are selecting panel.....glamorous and iconic no heads like dhoni,raina,will be given the chance...i m a chennaiite..i appreciate the sport and look out for the right bunch to propoganda the game's name...value....selectors......plz.bring back dhinesh karthik...sack dhoni...a better no.6..bring back kohli,badri,pujara,chopra,jaffer:vj can open with sehwag..dravid 3,gambir 6 or vijay 6...gambir openin with viru..kick raina...worst test cap...india!!!

  • on August 27, 2011, 15:56 GMT

    @all this is the first series loss of MS .. give him a break .. so what were u all thinking that he would never lose(whatever margin be it).

  • on August 27, 2011, 15:48 GMT

    Many, rightly, say that Harbhajan had never been great outside India. But the tragedy is that he had been performing very poorly, as a bowler, even within India. Now, at least for a year, India has a good replacement in Ashwin. But Ashwin seems to be waiting all the time for Bhajji's need to take a break...despite Srikkant's apparent / alleged liking for Tamil Nadu boys like Ashwin! Of course, Srikkant seems to have a soft corner for Bhajji too. Perhaps that explains why he has not been aggressively pushing for Aswin's inclusion in the playing eleven. I expected Fletcher to play a greater role in choosing the playing elevens, but dismayed to see that he is just a spectator. so far!

  • La_Bangla on August 27, 2011, 14:48 GMT

    @ Chris_P : Substandard Pitches in Sub-Continent? So the turning pitches that don't suit your batsmen because they just don't know how to play on. And so you term it as Sub-Standard pitches. Sub continents teams have never complained about the green and pacy pitches they have been foreced to play on in Aus, NZ, and England. And, who is talking about poor umpiring? The most controversial umpires are from Australia, don't forget that. I am sure all sub-continents teams are glad that we have Neutral Umpiries now.

  • Lahori_Munde on August 27, 2011, 14:41 GMT

    @Chris_P, I am commenting on the current series between Indians and England. It wasn't just me but even the English Bunch on TV had the same comments about the pitch. Now lets not go on the standard of umpiring as every nation has their own complaints about the standard of umpiring in other countries. Even to remind you the kiwis weren't thrilled about the standard of umpiring in Australia atall and so where the other countries. Should I say that led to the introduction of neutral umpires? Same applies to pitches, what is substandard?

  • grant8 on August 27, 2011, 13:17 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas 4 Months back he was the best captain, Mr.Cool, great success rate. . now suddenly everything is questionable??

    Incredible

  • Sheela on August 27, 2011, 12:51 GMT

    One had recommended Dinaesh Kartik as wicket keeper batsman. Kartiks' wicket keeping abilty is poor. However, he has to a large extent succeeded as opening batsman and that too in difficult circumstance in foreign soil. Besides he has good ground fielding and catching abilkity. He can always fill in as an opener. If few failures should rule him out, as some people comment, the same logic should eually apply to others and therere are many should not have been selected at all and this is not the right approach. Unfortunately in India captains had not been fu;;y influential in selection matters. Dhoni's defensive fielding setting in England had not prevented the opposition from scoring at a healthy rate.

  • Nutcutlet on August 27, 2011, 12:14 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas. For once, I happily agree with you! MSD has not impressed me with his captaincy in tests this summer. He is a great guy, quite a gentleman, but he has been given (or taken on) too much! There are hardly any wicket-keepers who have made good captains at test level. Can you think of any? (Alec Stewart, possibly?) It's a pity that his glovework has been slip-shod as an efficient wicket-keeper is pivotal in setting a standard for the fielders - something that India really could have done within the last six weeks. As for his favouring certain players for selection, that is something that you know about. I would suggest that he should look to resign as Test captain at the end of this tour. Wouldn't Dravid be a better choice? He has done the job before, I believe. I wouldn't want it to get in the way of his batting though!

  • Raj12345 on August 27, 2011, 12:00 GMT

    Good suggestion. But Dhoni already doing that, he only decides who want to play in each format. Otherwise unfit players like Raina, RP Singh, Bhajji, Yuvi can't play anymore. He selects only his friends. This need to be changed. My big question is Dhoni eligible to be in test team?

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 27, 2011, 10:54 GMT

    Alright Mr. Lloyd, how about taking away Captaincy from Dhoni and see if he is eligible to be part of the team of eleven for Test Matches, just as a player! The answer is a BIG NO. His captaincy is atrocious as well. So removing Dhoni would benefit India in at least three ways - getting rid-off an atrocious captain, getting rid-off a terrible test batsman and getting rid-off a mediocre Keeper. Dinesh Karthik is in a totally different league as a batsman and a way better Keeper than Dhoni. Apart from those three benefits, we can get rid-off the chamchagiri that Dhoni brings into the team (read favouring his pets like Harbhajan Singh, Yuvraj Singh, RP Singh....); we can get rid-off his unsolicited blasting in the media and killing the confidence of players he doesn't like (read Sreesanth). Cricinfo please publish.

  • Valavan on August 27, 2011, 10:17 GMT

    @drumbeat, have you eaten a lot of sourgrapes. wow ye. any no.1 team wouldnt complain pitch conditions. NZ and England, it rains more. WI after 1983 WC routed india 3 - 0 in tests in India. So If you are no.1 you must be able to play at any given condition and have the depth to replace when injuries come. These lame reasons rather you speak with your friends. Ex: PACE BATTERY IN WI - King, garner,croft,holding,roberts,marshall,walsh,patterson,ambrose,bishop. 2nd level pacers - Davis,baptiste,benjamin,benjamin,Gray,Rose. This is what called depth. To say Zaheer khan fits in Level 2 pacers of mighty Windies. DEPTH and DOMINANCE is required for a TRUE No.1.

  • unleashedtrojan1 on August 27, 2011, 9:01 GMT

    the funny thing is everyone knew India were never World No 1 material.

  • rsurya on August 27, 2011, 8:39 GMT

    Keep a Walk-in for fast bowlers...

  • Chris_P on August 27, 2011, 8:33 GMT

    @Down_Under. Neutral are you? Well, I'm an Aussie so perhaps you'd like to explain to me how England managed to plan and rig what happened to us down under last season? And you've obviously forgotten years & years of substandard pitch preparations AND disgracefully poor umpiring that every visiting team endured when touring the sub continent which eventually led to the introduction of neutral umpires. If you're neutral,. try expessing neutral views.

  • Chris_P on August 27, 2011, 8:22 GMT

    @OliverWebber. You're wasting your time, you are using logic & common sense to someone who is logically challenged. The fact that India's bowling averaged over 70 & their batting averaged less than 30 seems to have conveniently forgotten along with the fact that their much vaumted batting lineup simply couldn't cope. It iis just plain hard to stomach when the #1 ranked team gets so comprehensively flogged by the margins they did. Little things such as England's catching being worse than India's was also forgotten with the usual whining about umpires coming out.

  • vijujack on August 27, 2011, 7:14 GMT

    What was the coach doing the whole series- everyone could see that Dhoni was out of form in all 3 aspects. His field placing as captain was crazy, he was standing way back & hence could not collect the ball cleanly and his batting was about fishing outside the off stump. Out of all three his keeping is what affects the other two. A couple of metres in front & the ball would have reached him at comfortable height. Standing upto the wicket for PK would have made English batsman stay at the crease- they were a few metres down the pitch to negate his swing and hence could score at will. Was he part of selecting RP is the question - the wisdom of leaving Munaf was as stupid as playing Sreesanth. Did Dhoni not know that on the back of 2 good innings he could have played defensive and kept England at bay as long as he could? As much as Dhoni failed, Duncan failed more and the senior players even worse when it came to advising the captain

  • OliverWebber on August 27, 2011, 7:09 GMT

    @Drumbeat: I thought we had got past the stage of silly excuses for India's defeat, but apparently not! So, according to you, the scheming ECB arranged (via their telephone hotline to God?!) for an unusually cold summer, just to spite the touring Indian team, and England's superiority was entirely due to pitches being in favour of seam and swing bowling. As you yourself point out, had Zaheer been match-fit (had the ECB hypnotised him to eat too many pies?!), this would have been to no-one's advantage! In fact it would have made for a wonderful, competitive series with a proper balance between bat and ball. Dubious umpiring? - well, there were just as many wrong decisions in India's favour as in England's. Many of these would have been cancelled with the use of the DRS, but this was vetoed by the BCCI! I'm afraid the reasons for the defeat are bad preparation, bad attitude (batting and in the field), and a lack of fitness and stamina. Oh yes, and an outstanding performance by England..

  • on August 27, 2011, 6:53 GMT

    i think india can be a force to be reckoned with in test cricket again if they get rid of some dead weight in the bowling department like sreesanth and harbhajan, they were a joke on this tour. I dunno how why in the world the selectors keep persisting with bhajji in tests, he is shocking outside india and i have never seen him bowl match winning spells(outside india against strong sides)). Sreeseanth should get dropped immediately, he is too unpredictable and should never be picked we gave him to many chances to prove himself and he has done everything but that

  • coolguyrocks on August 27, 2011, 6:42 GMT

    All the best Dhoni... India needs some fresh energy and lot of greed to be at the top...

  • fkauser on August 27, 2011, 6:08 GMT

    Dhoni is the guy who select his friends,u dont think so ......think again before replying me !!!! I think the best swing bowler and best all rounder in the country is Irfan Pathan but he is out and all chennai super king players are comming in from anywhere and anytime.......I want Irfan Pathan back as a best suiting player on number 7 and strike bowler on the english condition.

  • pcraju on August 27, 2011, 5:58 GMT

    Dhoni as a cricketer is more suited for limited overs, may be his thought process are for that format of the game. And some change may be required in that. He need to get out of that T20 or ODI thinking when he comes to Test Cricket. Since all formats of the game come one after the other, the players are not putting effort to change the mindsets to test matches. There should be enough gap for players to get ready to different tournaments in different formats. PLAYING T20 THAT TOO IN IPL BEFORE A TEST SERIES IS THE WORST NIGHTMARE. Dhoni does choose players for the vacant spots and he picks Raina his fav T20 partner who is a useless test player, RP Singh who never had a good season of cricket, Mishra who never proved as a spinner or won a MoM. Like any other person in authority Dhoni also goes by his favorites instead of much experimenting or taking risks to try a new talent. A good performer in India would be a good cricketer who doesnt have money and has the hunger for the game

  • RK.Chandru on August 27, 2011, 5:57 GMT

    `looks funny when people still talk about Irfan. Has he done anything worthy enough for Baroda or any team to back his entry in the international team? As long as the selection tries to satisfy region and religion based quota systems, Team India can only go down further in stature. Non performers however great they're must be shown exit doors. Players like, Harbhajan have become liability to the team. To add to the woes, media too tries its best to play spoilsport by trying its bit in making and breaking a player's career with vested interests. Let the team be selected on a player's current stats and form and not based on the past laurels. Giving complete freedom can only worsen the situation further. Lesser players like (who bowls at 120 kmph at the age of 25 itself) RP Singh etc., only would get a look in and talent will be ignored.

  • NRPOnline on August 27, 2011, 5:52 GMT

    Dilip Vengsarkar should be back to his old job and i.e.: finding the new talent. He did extremely well in supplying the talent steadily to build the world-cup winning combination. Also Dhoni is getting into Ganguly mode where he has started taking his position granted based on his past performances. He is a tad better than Dada however. Dada always said "Boy didn't apply, boys didn't deliver etc" whereas Dhoni uses better articulation saying "We didn't deliver". BCCI should revise the contract and ban the test + ODI squad from playing T20 and IPL. Those formats should be kept for retired/semi-retired player or for those who didn't make the cut in the international side. BCCI should get the priorities straight now in deciding whether to make more money and stay on top of the commercialized aspect of the game or help the team to stay on top of the game.

    I've failed to understand how Srisanth can get a nod ahead of Irfan Pathan. The lucky charm seems to have vanished in this series.

  • on August 27, 2011, 5:51 GMT

    As a first step, BCCI should remove the chains and let top players escape the sham that is the IPL, especially test players. It makes no sense to get them to play the IPL when they are supposed to be preparing for overseas test series.

    Secondly, no matter how much practice matches we play before a series, things are not going to change much until Indian pitches (at least some of them) are made to reflect global standards (with pace, bounce and grass). This should be where Ranji games are played instead of the flat tracks where batsmen plunder runs only to be picked in the national squad and end up struggling to survive. Besides, having such pitches in India would naturally provide a breeding ground for better fast bowlers.

    At the end of the day, like so many have already pointed out, BCCI needs to get its priorities right. It's fine to have the IPL running along to make all they money they want, but wrong to force top players to play without taking into account their injuries etc.

  • on August 27, 2011, 5:42 GMT

    When australia lost the ashes in 2005, they then went on a 16 match winning streak only to be thwarted by india again! India can bounce back after a bad tour, it is not the end of the world. It is a great learning curve for Dhoni. To be no.1 you have to maintain consistancy in winning. Now they're no.2, they would should continue doing what they are doing that made them successful and that means welcoming back Zaheer Khan, get Sehwag and Ghambir back into form, help Sachin reach his 100th ton, whatever it took that made India successful. Stick with Dhoni as captain, don't make wholesale changes. They may need to get use to Duncan Fletcher, it was he that led england to defeat australia for the 1st time in 18 years and got them off the bottom of the rankings. Similar things can happen for india.

  • deepak_sholapurkar on August 27, 2011, 5:22 GMT

    Dhoni has already kept his foot down and gor RP Singh selected. Every one knows that RP is close friend of Dhoni and that's the only reason for his selection.

  • on August 27, 2011, 5:02 GMT

    Good views by a great captain. However, India must find its own way of recovering back. Lloyd brought WI back by having 4 terrific pacers. India can do this by having 2 strong spinners and 2 fit wily medium pacers if Dhoni can get their respect. Of course, the batting needs to get back to old standard for this to succeed. i need Irfan pathan Back to the team as a Good allrounder

  • Percy_Fender on August 27, 2011, 4:44 GMT

    Down_Under is absolutely right in his observations. If one looks at it objectively, one will wonder if any so called Marquee series as this one had been labelled and marketed, could be about 4 Tests,and two practice games all over in just a month.Just 23 days of Test cricket. In cold English conditions.And that after, as Graeme Swann pointed out,coming from West Indies where it was 100 degrees in th shade.The entire campaign seemed well planned by England to make sure that they get to the No 1 position without much ado.Like the New Zealanders did in 2003 with their so called drop in pitches to trump India,the Englishmen,gave those green tops to make sure that they get the better of it with a good pace bowling attack.Their strategy could have backfired had Zaheer been fully fit,though. At Trent Bridge, India bowled England out for less than 300 on a first day wicket even without Zaheer.Sadly,after that things changed with some dubious umpiring. It seemed like it was destined.

  • Romenevans on August 27, 2011, 4:31 GMT

    LOL the thrashing of Indian cricket in india, could have gone worse if there was no "Anna Hazare" movement going on in india. To be honest, Dhoni and his oldies were saved by Anna hazarre, so he should be thankful to him.

  • OutCast on August 27, 2011, 4:21 GMT

    I read a Murali interview in which he says that he started his career in early 90's when he get paid couple of thousands of SL Rupees, and his involvement was purely the passion for cricket coz his money won't support his life or families.. he went on to say that nowadays if you play one much, pretty much you can live off entire year.. which shows what motivates guys to play cricket at present... with IPL in the market, guys will start to retire from tests at the age of the ladies tennis players retire...

  • on August 27, 2011, 3:14 GMT

    BCCI should go on a talent hunt throughout the world and get in a lethal bowling combination ....Jerome Taylor is anyways sitting on bench in WI, Fidel Edwards is not getting to be part of winning team, Afridi could be an attacking leg spinner, Chris Gayle's fastish off-spinners would be useful as back-up fifth bowler ......

  • on August 27, 2011, 3:06 GMT

    A much needed support for dhoni.. and i hope dhoni himself and the bcci are reading this.

  • on August 27, 2011, 3:06 GMT

    No offence, the problem seems to be that too much is left to Dhoni's choice and he seems to prefer a few over others.

  • samonly007200 on August 27, 2011, 1:51 GMT

    If Dhoni will always gets the team he wants, then there is no way Irfan pathan can make a come back. It is impossible for IP to come as long as shrikanth and dhoni call the shots.... Even if IP gets a chance if he is not used properly by the captain, it is unlikely to return with conviction...India need Irfan pathan, a quality all rounder...

  • on August 27, 2011, 1:38 GMT

    Words of wisdom from a great captain/player. Sammy can do well to take note.

  • Lahori_Munde on August 27, 2011, 1:30 GMT

    Being a neutral observer, I still think India has formidable team, who can reclaim #1 spot again. I have said this before and I say it again that England cunningly planned this series with a goal to hammer India and claim#1 spot. I am watching cricket for 40+ years and I have never seen the picthes as green and lively as the ones used in the first two tests of this series. It was a ploy to put India out of their zones, disheartened, low of confidence and demoralized them as badly that they can't get up again in the last two tests..

  • on August 27, 2011, 1:02 GMT

    Dhoni already does pick the team doesnt he?

  • Chris_P on August 27, 2011, 0:54 GMT

    A few things Clive forgot to share was that his team honed its skills in WSC where he was given a great support group, including Dennis Wraight who transformed very good athletes to great athletes capable of running in bowling 150+ at the end of the day. When you have, on tap, a multitude of bowlers capable of bowling at 150+ to call on any time, you're not really going to struggle anywhere, nor did they. Again, India need to take 20 wickets to win games, and this attack cannot do that, whilst nearly all the backup bowlers are in T20 & ODI mindset where wicket taking is not the priority.

  • NairUSA on August 27, 2011, 0:53 GMT

    Good views by a great captain. However, India must find its own way of recovering back. Lloyd brought WI back by having 4 terrific pacers. India can do this by having 2 strong spinners and 2 fit wily medium pacers if Dhoni can get their respect. Of course, the batting needs to get back to old standard for this to succeed.

  • tom_dick on August 27, 2011, 0:29 GMT

    Lloyd one of the shrewd captain who has led West Indies to so many victories has definitely a word to say about Indian Captain Dhoni. I appreciate the feelings of Lloyd in motivating Dhoni. It is time for Dhoni to find some ways tackle the present situation in Indian Cricket senario and ponder upon the ways and means to solve the issue. I am confident that the present failures should have taught a good lesson to Dhoni and definitely he will come out with solutions by listening to some one great like Clive Lloyd.

  • on August 27, 2011, 0:22 GMT

    Too late, Clive. Money, politics and greed have overtaken all rational decision-making in the sub-continent. Dhoni gets paid well. They all will play for the money, and not for much else. Cricket has become a commercial trade, and, till all the greed is satisfied fans will be controlled by the tyrants and the media.

  • on August 27, 2011, 0:03 GMT

    Some inconsistency in this report: The most famous fast bowling quartet, as reported here that played for Lloyd were not Andy Roberts, Michael Holding, Colin Croft and Joel Garner. They were Malcolm Marshall, Michael Holding, Colin Croft and Joel Garner.

  • njn1 on August 26, 2011, 23:43 GMT

    With regard to an earlier comment about what Clive has done for the current WI team - well Clive, Michael, Andy, Viv, etc. have all tried over the years but the culture in WI teams (including the Board) over the last few years have been totally unprofessional. I believe that Gibson and this new Board are finally trying to rectify the problems of the past such as accountability, fitness, etc. Finally, it is painful to watch some of the anti-English comments about ranking. Hey, accept it - England planned well over the years and played to their fullest potential. I respect that and accept their current ranking. More importantly, the rest of us need to figure out what they did and try like crazy to get our respective teams to implement such a roadmap ASAP.

  • S.N.Singh on August 26, 2011, 23:38 GMT

    THAT IS EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENED IN THE 1ST. WORLD CUP FINAL IN 1975. WEST INDIES WENT INTO THE FINAL AT LORDS VS AUSTRALIA. " ROHAN HANHAI " WAS NOT SELECTED FOR THE SERIES. RICHARD PLAYED ALL THE MATCHES HE WAS NOT GETTING RUNS. HIS FIELDING WAS VERY GOOD. KALICHARRAN WAS THE ONLY CONSISTENT SCORER IN THAT SERIES. IN THE MATCH AGAINST AUSTRALIA BEFORE THE FINAL. KALICHARRAN "SCORED 10 CONSECTIVE BOUNDRIES" AGAINST "DENISS LILLEE" THE NEXT DAY PAPER HEAD LINE HAD IT LIKE THIS: KALI DID THIS TO LILLEE IN JUST TEN BALLS 6,4,4,6,4,4,4, 6,4,4. FOR THE FINAL LLOYD "REQUESTED ROHAN KANHAI" WHO WAS IN ENGLAND WITH WARWICKSHIRE. ROHAN KANHAI WON THE WORLD CUP FOR THE WEST INDIES. KANHAI MADE 51 RUNS. ROHAN NEVER BATTED LIKE THAT EVER. IT WAS NOT HIS STYLE. HE BATTED ALONG WITH LLOYD 101- IN ABOUT 80 DELIVERY. WHILE KANHAI WAS SHEET ANCHORING THERE OR ELSE EVERYONE WOULD HAVE GONE. WEST INDIES WON 1ST."THE WORLD CUP" WITH KANHAI PLAYINGH THE ONLY GAME OF THE SERIES.

  • njn1 on August 26, 2011, 23:25 GMT

    A little perspective about our beloved Guyana/WI skipper, Clive was like a father figure to those great legends. He took it upon himself to monitor the development of some of those guys like Colin. When Colin first came on the scene in Guyana, he was ok but nothing to write home about. I want to believe (I could be over-estimating this) that Clive played a critical role in scouting guys like Colin and getting them to England to make them into professionals. A few years later, Colin was a completely different bowler when WI selected him. My guess is that Clive was recommending that the Indian captain needs to take a more hands-on approach in identifying guys w talent at the regional level and pushing for their development in a few years. Unlike the WI, India has the resources to domestically develop their young stars into professionals.

  • b4u8me2 on August 26, 2011, 22:46 GMT

    Maybe Clive Lloyd should say the same to Darren Sammy who the WICB has turned into a puppet captain who plays with a smile but has no say in the team that is selected.

  • Ryan_H on August 26, 2011, 22:33 GMT

    Indian team had already achieved a climax and there was no more hunger left. England is just lucky to win the series by such a margin. This does not take away the credit from England though. They played very well. However, No avid cricket fan except the english) will proclaim england as the number 1 team. A team than can loose to Bangladesh and ireland anytime can never be a champion. With all due respect to Ireland and Bangladesh. England will not be able to maintain the momentum and will come crashing very soon. Wait till they get to the sub continent. Their stay at the top of test rankings will be very short. They are just passing through a good phase. They have hardly been world champion material in their history and this time will be no exception.

  • on August 26, 2011, 21:44 GMT

    Dhoni can't put his foot down, no matter how much he wants to. There is the IPL, the Champions trophy the ODI's, and all these are shorter versions of the game with a lot of money. Dhoni is a pawn of the BCCI and India's downward slide will continue. Big Clive could have called the shots in 75/76 because things were different. Now, there is a lot of money and less love to play for kin and country.

  • johnathonjosephs on August 26, 2011, 21:31 GMT

    Ummmm more like dhoni needs to step down.... he may of won a world cup but not by his captaincy... more like the players in the indian team

  • ahweak on August 26, 2011, 21:25 GMT

    Mr. Lloyd, what you are suggesting happens to be the problem in itself. If Dhoni gets what he wants, then Harbhajan, RP Singh and Suresh Raina will always be the test team. In fact, Dhoni himself does not deserve a spot in the test team as India cannot afford to play someone just for captaincy.

  • Nutcutlet on August 26, 2011, 21:20 GMT

    The WIndies' cricketers under Lloyd and at other times were and are natural athletes. Now, if there's one thing certain about Indian cricketers, past and present, it is that there isn't an outstanding athlete amonst them. That is why fitness and genuinely fast bowling is, and always has been, an issue (Discussion point: does a really quick bowler have to be an athlete? I think so.) Come to that, how many outstanding athletes has India produced? This is a serious question and I would appreciate an answer.

  • taemoorkhan on August 26, 2011, 20:55 GMT

    Loyd has some talented people to choose form. India does not have pool of fast bowling talents. They need to request Pakistan to give them some expert advice on it.

  • Sanath-aiyya on August 26, 2011, 20:34 GMT

    BEST INDIAN ODI TEAM;

    (1) SEHWAG (2) Tendulkar (3) Kohli (4) Raina (5) Yuvraj (6) Sharma rohit (7) Irfan Pathan (8) Dhoni (9) Ashwin (10) z khan (11) "bowler in excess on 90MPH

  • makeshift on August 26, 2011, 20:24 GMT

    Dhoni should take advice from the Great West Indies Legend. He's captancy was a joy to watch. Yes he was lucky to have great players in the team but he managed them well

  • FAB_ALI on August 26, 2011, 19:57 GMT

    Its good to hear from someone so great. The views should always be respected and Dhoni surely will.

  • ushakiran on August 26, 2011, 19:48 GMT

    he may ask 10 rp singhs......lloyd himself put down by praising dhobi.what's wrong with the selection.

  • Venkat_Gowrishankar on August 26, 2011, 19:46 GMT

    I can see that most of the English fans dont seem to agree with Clive Lloyd here as Lloyd still rates India as one of the best teams ( doesnt mind to even talk about England's No 1 ) . How funny is it? , England recently crowned No 1 has no appreciations whatsoever from any corner of the world ( apart from England ), whereas for India there seems to be reassurance & sympathy coming from Ponting & Lloyd who have led invincible teams. This tells that within the international cricketing fraternity, they still dont rate England as No1 . The real test is how England plays in the sub continent and until then the world will never accept that England are truly No 1.

  • Sanath-aiyya on August 26, 2011, 19:26 GMT

    Best Indian Test Team: (1)Gambhir (2)Tendulkar (3)Dravid (4) Sehwag (5)Laxman (6)Kohli (7)Dhoni (8) Irfan Pathan (9) Ashwin (10) Z Khan (11) "bowler in excess of 90 mph"

  • getsetgopk on August 26, 2011, 19:21 GMT

    What Loyd saying is that BCCI should let Dhoni hire a few foreign bowlers who can actualy bowl at high level. Bowling with sree, praveen kumar, ishant... is both a waste of time and money not to mention disgraceful results.

  • on August 26, 2011, 19:01 GMT

    The advise from the great legend is absolutely true. We must appreciate his timely and open minded advise. Dhoni are you listenning to this?

  • Gupta.Ankur on August 26, 2011, 18:57 GMT

    The most important part, he must perform as player first!! I think if you take out captaincy, he is not doing much to be part of atleast the test team....

  • Alexk400 on August 26, 2011, 18:39 GMT

    It is not what MSD wants. India have no bowler who can bowl 140kmph in domestic setup. There will never be unless india widen the criteria of selection bowlers.

  • on August 26, 2011, 18:22 GMT

    The face that India never produced a proper fast bowler...always astonishes me....I mean we're just beside them......and there is not much difference specially in the Punjab region....then what could be the problem? I mean the pace of RP SINGH (Decent player....lots of respect) was poor.....Afridi can bowl faster.....check the video on Youtube....PK vs NZ.... India is in need of some serious fast bowlers and not just 1......at least 10....and I am by no means exaggerating.

  • on August 26, 2011, 18:14 GMT

    Spin as is a matter of concern which used to be our main strength. We have a really good player IQBAL ABDULLAH from Kolkatta Knight Riders. People have already seen in all the IPL versions. Why not pick him for national duty and groom him up. He is really a good bowler and has a knack of getting wickets at crucial times. Why not give him a chance in a few matches when result of series is already decided and let us see how he comes throught this test...

  • blondblackberry on August 26, 2011, 18:10 GMT

    dhoni is one of the best i hav seen he is like a hollywood hero he wil come with a fitting reply when it all matters.also,he always favours rp and uthapa,rohit.iam sure rp wil rip the english if he is in form.

  • aarpee2 on August 26, 2011, 18:09 GMT

    Dhoni gets the team he wants.Classic case is the induction of a non-contracted player RP Singh and the retention of Raina for the last test. Bhajji's extended run despite poor form recently can be attributed to Dhoni's preference.Clive forgets that the team under Dhoni has won the T20 inaugural,the 2011 World Cup and has been ranked Noi in tests till the hammering.In fact he has had his way most of the time during this period. He should now learn to pick teams based on form and fitness .I would believe his own contribution as an all rounder is well below par and he needs to get into his best form before the team has a freefall

  • on August 26, 2011, 18:07 GMT

    Leave alone a pace quartet, we cannot find a couple or a single partner for Zaheer khan. And not only sachin, dravid and laxman are ageing, even zaheer is ageing and won't last for long... Only way out is an exchange programme with our western rival neighbour pakistan to send some of their first class bowlers who might teach a lesson to our Indian pace bowlers...

  • on August 26, 2011, 17:19 GMT

    Great....me and Sir Lloyd believe in MSD's ability. I hope MSD is inspired by this. He is a fighter. he won't surrender. Go on Mahi...

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 26, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    May be Clive is saying that Dhoni should put his foot down while playing forward defence instead of putting it in the air ;)

  • rsurya on August 26, 2011, 17:14 GMT

    Its like playing music in the ears of a deaf. Lloyd could have done anything useful for saying this.... But please don't compare Lloyd with this Man for the funny reason that he too won a Worldcup followed by a worst series.

  • nlambda on August 26, 2011, 17:02 GMT

    The handwavy part here is that WI just "found" Garner, Roberts et al who were presumably sitting around waiting to be picked. I do not see what Dhoni can do when there is NO bowling talent at all. Sreesanth, Ishant all are mediocre to average and P Kumar with his 75MPH speed will be slaughtered when the ball does not swing.

  • dariuscorny on August 26, 2011, 16:57 GMT

    yes i agree.Dhoni shud demand for some genuine quicks who can pose threat even on dead wickets.spin is our strngth are the sentences of past.develop a good bowling culture in India.we can see Australia's cricketing culture they alwys had good batsmen along with great bowling.so we need to maintain that balance between both the arts.BCCI shud plan each players workload.so there shud be no player burnout.in domestic circuit there shud be 5-6 seaming pithces where i our budding cricketers can hv their eyes in to make themselves ready for testing international standards.apart frm Dhoni its also BCCI's duty

  • degiant on August 26, 2011, 16:56 GMT

    Good comment Lloyd, but what about the WI team and what are you helping them with

  • Vernacular_Press on August 26, 2011, 16:55 GMT

    First former player with a neutral view.So he was the only former player who was able to digest india winning.

  • on August 26, 2011, 16:52 GMT

    That famous pairing Lillee and 'Thompson'. Also wonder if Gary Gilmour and Max Walker have ever been mentioned in the same sentence as 'extreme pace' before?! Walker was a medium-fast workhorse and Gilmour a skilful left-arm swing bowler, but neither would have been called quick.

  • CharlieAlanJakeHarperFamily on August 26, 2011, 16:41 GMT

    The difference is that Lloyd had luxury of never-ending 150 kmph fast bowlers whereas indians would do wonders to find oneThe difference is that Lloyd had luxury of never-ending 150 kmph fast bowlers whereas indians would do wonders to find one

  • CricketChat on August 26, 2011, 16:30 GMT

    Looks like Lloyd was not paying much attention here!. Dhoni did put his foot down and ask for his players. Otherwise, how else can you explain the selection of Sreesanth, RP Singh, Mishra, Raina, Laxman even though it defies logic?. Ind is not WI of his era. Ind had a purple patch due to top players peaking at the same time and good coaches in Wright and Gary. Now, the senior players are reaching end of their careers and those coaches are gone. Simple as that. Until the next generation of talented and hungry players come along, the decline is inevitable. It's not the captain that's the problem here.

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  • CricketChat on August 26, 2011, 16:30 GMT

    Looks like Lloyd was not paying much attention here!. Dhoni did put his foot down and ask for his players. Otherwise, how else can you explain the selection of Sreesanth, RP Singh, Mishra, Raina, Laxman even though it defies logic?. Ind is not WI of his era. Ind had a purple patch due to top players peaking at the same time and good coaches in Wright and Gary. Now, the senior players are reaching end of their careers and those coaches are gone. Simple as that. Until the next generation of talented and hungry players come along, the decline is inevitable. It's not the captain that's the problem here.

  • CharlieAlanJakeHarperFamily on August 26, 2011, 16:41 GMT

    The difference is that Lloyd had luxury of never-ending 150 kmph fast bowlers whereas indians would do wonders to find oneThe difference is that Lloyd had luxury of never-ending 150 kmph fast bowlers whereas indians would do wonders to find one

  • on August 26, 2011, 16:52 GMT

    That famous pairing Lillee and 'Thompson'. Also wonder if Gary Gilmour and Max Walker have ever been mentioned in the same sentence as 'extreme pace' before?! Walker was a medium-fast workhorse and Gilmour a skilful left-arm swing bowler, but neither would have been called quick.

  • Vernacular_Press on August 26, 2011, 16:55 GMT

    First former player with a neutral view.So he was the only former player who was able to digest india winning.

  • degiant on August 26, 2011, 16:56 GMT

    Good comment Lloyd, but what about the WI team and what are you helping them with

  • dariuscorny on August 26, 2011, 16:57 GMT

    yes i agree.Dhoni shud demand for some genuine quicks who can pose threat even on dead wickets.spin is our strngth are the sentences of past.develop a good bowling culture in India.we can see Australia's cricketing culture they alwys had good batsmen along with great bowling.so we need to maintain that balance between both the arts.BCCI shud plan each players workload.so there shud be no player burnout.in domestic circuit there shud be 5-6 seaming pithces where i our budding cricketers can hv their eyes in to make themselves ready for testing international standards.apart frm Dhoni its also BCCI's duty

  • nlambda on August 26, 2011, 17:02 GMT

    The handwavy part here is that WI just "found" Garner, Roberts et al who were presumably sitting around waiting to be picked. I do not see what Dhoni can do when there is NO bowling talent at all. Sreesanth, Ishant all are mediocre to average and P Kumar with his 75MPH speed will be slaughtered when the ball does not swing.

  • rsurya on August 26, 2011, 17:14 GMT

    Its like playing music in the ears of a deaf. Lloyd could have done anything useful for saying this.... But please don't compare Lloyd with this Man for the funny reason that he too won a Worldcup followed by a worst series.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 26, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    May be Clive is saying that Dhoni should put his foot down while playing forward defence instead of putting it in the air ;)

  • on August 26, 2011, 17:19 GMT

    Great....me and Sir Lloyd believe in MSD's ability. I hope MSD is inspired by this. He is a fighter. he won't surrender. Go on Mahi...