Eng v Ind, 1st Investec Test, Trent Bridge, 5th day July 13, 2014

Dhoni pleased with lower-order resistance

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This is the third overseas Test India have failed to close out, out of their last five. This wasn't as clear-cut an opportunity as Johannesburg and Wellington were, but the disappointments are piling up. Before the series began, Ajit Agarkar questioned India's ability to close out Tests away from home; many an Indian fan shares that doubt. However, MS Dhoni, not for the first time, chose to look at the positives, that the team at least got into a position from which they could force a result.

When asked if it was a big disappointment that from a winning position on day three, India went on to rely on Nos 7 and 8 to save the match, Dhoni said: "That's a part and parcel of the game, and it doesn't really matter who has scored runs or taken wickets because at the end of the day it is a team game and you go with the strategy of winning the game. It doesn't really matter if No. 11 is scoring the runs or No. 7 is scoring the runs. Overall, it is important that we have put runs on the board, and we need to defend that. But plenty of positives we can take out of this game."

One of the positives was the partnership between Ravindra Jadeja and Stuart Binny when India were just 145 ahead with four wickets in hand and two-and-a-half sessions to go. "That was a very important partnership looking at the game because we were not really safe at that time," Dhoni said. "We had at least half a day's play or more at that stage. Had it not been for that partnership we could have struggled to defend the amount of runs we had scored at that stage. That partnership was much needed.

"The other good thing about that partnership is that not many of our players have the experience of batting under pressure and save a Test match if the need arises. Games like this really gives them the exposure and teaches them what really needed to be done. I feel it is nice that some individuals stood up when the pressure was put on us."

Binny was part of an experiment that meant India were playing only five batsmen outside Asia for the first time under Dhoni's captaincy. He wasn't quick at judging how the move went, although he said the only change he felt with batting at No. 6 was that he had to change into his whites earlier than usual.

"The wicket was not suiting Stuart Binny's kind of bowling," Dhoni said. "Jadeja could use the rough on the wicket, so I was not really forced to give too many overs to Binny. So, overall I though it helped me to keep the bowlers fresh. Though Stuart bowled only 10 overs, I felt it was a good effort from his side. As the series progresses, we will watch him as he is someone who can swing the ball well, and can give rest to the other bowlers, and he will be more effective on pitches that offer some assistance to the bowlers."

The pitch was a soul-sapping patch, which annoyed the hosts no end because of its likeness to Indian surfaces, but Dhoni wasn't happy with it either. "I always said that when you come to a country you want to play on wicket that's the specialty of that country," Dhoni said. "You know, there's no fun in going to India and expecting flat wickets where people can score 200 or 250 runs. But it's very good if you score a hundred on a turning track. When you come out of India, you would like the wicket to be slightly quicker."

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on July 15, 2014, 16:50 GMT

    My Team for Second Test: 1. Vijay 2. Gambir/Dhawan 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Rahane 6. Ashwin 7. Dhoni 8. Binny/Jadeja 9. Bhuvi 10. Shami 11. Ishant.

  • Chaitanyareddy90 on July 15, 2014, 10:03 GMT

    Dhöni is wrost batsman than tailanders in oveseas.shami foot work more batter. My team for 2nd test. Vijay,saha,pujara,kohli, rahane,ashwin,binny, bhuvi,dhoni,ishant, shami. Some one need pandey/pankaj over shami but we need revese swing bowler. And ishwin also not effected against this english line up.

  • on July 14, 2014, 13:30 GMT

    Its really baffling to see india does not possess a bowler who could polish off the tail, remember kumble doing the job efficiently and even zaheer for some time. dhawan tries to portray a swagger in his batting approach which unfortunately is not clicking,binny has excellent temperament but in all fairness i dont see him troubling english batsman a lot even in favourable seam conditions and about jadeja i thought he was a misfit at d start itself since england have so many lefthanders.Ashwin has better technique and temperament in test cricket i think jaddu is much better off in shorter formats, so bring ashwin in i guess go dhawan another go which may be his last on the tour provided he fails ,also we want to see lively tracks for upcoming tests, just like in OZ, SAF,NZ which makes for interesting viewing rather than these dull boring games in which the player,s feat is also not remembered for long.

  • on July 14, 2014, 11:18 GMT

    Team India for Second Test: 1. Vijay 2. Ashwin 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Rahane 6. Rohit 7. Dhoni 8. Binny 9. Bhuvi 10. Shami 11. Ishant. Drop Shikar and Jadeja for next test. Ashwin can handle that opening slot.

  • on July 14, 2014, 10:52 GMT

    The problem with Dhoni is the lack of understanding the game of test cricket. His approach has always been defensive. Take Anderson's wicket for instace. His used the short ball approach consistently. From the field setting it was obvious for Anderson to understand the tactics. Recurrent but "surprise" short balls might have worked. Or surprise yorkers for that matter. We did not hit accurate yorkers even when Anderson was on backfoot expecting slurry of short balls. The slowness of pitch itself made the tactic ineffective. I am also baffled with his insistence on Ashwin and Jadeja as primary spinners overseas. They are clearly ineffective. Look beyond them or play four front line seamers. And for christ sake Dhawan is no Sehwag. The earlier he understands this the better.

  • avani on July 14, 2014, 9:51 GMT

    For me Dhawan is no good at opening slot. He just does not have proper technique or foot work to open an innings in a test match. 2nd most important concern is Rahane. He has all the techniques to be a good batsman at the top order. But some how time and again he is unable to convert opportunities into success. He needs to score big. Binny did what he normally does for his Karnataka team. Though he may not perform most of the times, but at crucial situations he applies himself and saves his team like he batted in the 2nd innings. He should be retained in the team as an all-rounder for rest of the test series. England played fairly well when compared to their recent previous performances against other touring teams. They are definitely looking forward to come to winning mode in this series. So watch out India!

  • karthikrby on July 14, 2014, 9:04 GMT

    I am convinced with our youngsters effort. I believe it will take another 10 away test matches and cost them 2015 WC because of their inexperience. But they are going to the NO 1 side in all formats after 2015.

  • AFanOfGoodCricket on July 14, 2014, 8:54 GMT

    Good that Binny batted well or he might have been dropped from the next test. Jadeja (canyt bat, not a good bowler either) needs to be dropped and Ashwin (although Ashwin isnt that good a bowler, but no other option) needs to be brought in. Also Dhawans inconsistency needs to be considered. He is still in the team on the reputation of his debut innings only, it seems.

  • john_abey on July 14, 2014, 8:21 GMT

    I think we need to really have a better bowling line up for Lords Test. Bhuvi and Ishant are automatic choices. Shami looked good with his pace, but is not being able to swing the ball. May be Ishwar Pandey could provide both swing and pace or else Pankaj. Binny by virtue of his 78 and his patience should find his place in playing X1. Jadeja needs to be shown the door and Ashwin has to be back, provided Ashwin has ability to built patnership. Jadeja just seems like he is playing a limited over match, going after every balls. If the pitch offers little spin and turn, then Jadega should be in for Shami. Feels so that slow medium pace of Binny would be effective in Lords than the fast bowling of Shami. But Ashwin should be the focal point as far as spinning department is concerned. Batting think Dhawan should be dropped and Gambhir to be in. But there is no fault in giving Dhawan one more chance. Rahane has shown skills and ability, but if he fails in Lords then its time to bring Rohit!

  • ramli on July 14, 2014, 8:10 GMT

    @SanjivAwesome ... with current Eng batting, don't be too sure they will prosper in lively tracks ... the move will backfire

  • on July 15, 2014, 16:50 GMT

    My Team for Second Test: 1. Vijay 2. Gambir/Dhawan 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Rahane 6. Ashwin 7. Dhoni 8. Binny/Jadeja 9. Bhuvi 10. Shami 11. Ishant.

  • Chaitanyareddy90 on July 15, 2014, 10:03 GMT

    Dhöni is wrost batsman than tailanders in oveseas.shami foot work more batter. My team for 2nd test. Vijay,saha,pujara,kohli, rahane,ashwin,binny, bhuvi,dhoni,ishant, shami. Some one need pandey/pankaj over shami but we need revese swing bowler. And ishwin also not effected against this english line up.

  • on July 14, 2014, 13:30 GMT

    Its really baffling to see india does not possess a bowler who could polish off the tail, remember kumble doing the job efficiently and even zaheer for some time. dhawan tries to portray a swagger in his batting approach which unfortunately is not clicking,binny has excellent temperament but in all fairness i dont see him troubling english batsman a lot even in favourable seam conditions and about jadeja i thought he was a misfit at d start itself since england have so many lefthanders.Ashwin has better technique and temperament in test cricket i think jaddu is much better off in shorter formats, so bring ashwin in i guess go dhawan another go which may be his last on the tour provided he fails ,also we want to see lively tracks for upcoming tests, just like in OZ, SAF,NZ which makes for interesting viewing rather than these dull boring games in which the player,s feat is also not remembered for long.

  • on July 14, 2014, 11:18 GMT

    Team India for Second Test: 1. Vijay 2. Ashwin 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Rahane 6. Rohit 7. Dhoni 8. Binny 9. Bhuvi 10. Shami 11. Ishant. Drop Shikar and Jadeja for next test. Ashwin can handle that opening slot.

  • on July 14, 2014, 10:52 GMT

    The problem with Dhoni is the lack of understanding the game of test cricket. His approach has always been defensive. Take Anderson's wicket for instace. His used the short ball approach consistently. From the field setting it was obvious for Anderson to understand the tactics. Recurrent but "surprise" short balls might have worked. Or surprise yorkers for that matter. We did not hit accurate yorkers even when Anderson was on backfoot expecting slurry of short balls. The slowness of pitch itself made the tactic ineffective. I am also baffled with his insistence on Ashwin and Jadeja as primary spinners overseas. They are clearly ineffective. Look beyond them or play four front line seamers. And for christ sake Dhawan is no Sehwag. The earlier he understands this the better.

  • avani on July 14, 2014, 9:51 GMT

    For me Dhawan is no good at opening slot. He just does not have proper technique or foot work to open an innings in a test match. 2nd most important concern is Rahane. He has all the techniques to be a good batsman at the top order. But some how time and again he is unable to convert opportunities into success. He needs to score big. Binny did what he normally does for his Karnataka team. Though he may not perform most of the times, but at crucial situations he applies himself and saves his team like he batted in the 2nd innings. He should be retained in the team as an all-rounder for rest of the test series. England played fairly well when compared to their recent previous performances against other touring teams. They are definitely looking forward to come to winning mode in this series. So watch out India!

  • karthikrby on July 14, 2014, 9:04 GMT

    I am convinced with our youngsters effort. I believe it will take another 10 away test matches and cost them 2015 WC because of their inexperience. But they are going to the NO 1 side in all formats after 2015.

  • AFanOfGoodCricket on July 14, 2014, 8:54 GMT

    Good that Binny batted well or he might have been dropped from the next test. Jadeja (canyt bat, not a good bowler either) needs to be dropped and Ashwin (although Ashwin isnt that good a bowler, but no other option) needs to be brought in. Also Dhawans inconsistency needs to be considered. He is still in the team on the reputation of his debut innings only, it seems.

  • john_abey on July 14, 2014, 8:21 GMT

    I think we need to really have a better bowling line up for Lords Test. Bhuvi and Ishant are automatic choices. Shami looked good with his pace, but is not being able to swing the ball. May be Ishwar Pandey could provide both swing and pace or else Pankaj. Binny by virtue of his 78 and his patience should find his place in playing X1. Jadeja needs to be shown the door and Ashwin has to be back, provided Ashwin has ability to built patnership. Jadeja just seems like he is playing a limited over match, going after every balls. If the pitch offers little spin and turn, then Jadega should be in for Shami. Feels so that slow medium pace of Binny would be effective in Lords than the fast bowling of Shami. But Ashwin should be the focal point as far as spinning department is concerned. Batting think Dhawan should be dropped and Gambhir to be in. But there is no fault in giving Dhawan one more chance. Rahane has shown skills and ability, but if he fails in Lords then its time to bring Rohit!

  • ramli on July 14, 2014, 8:10 GMT

    @SanjivAwesome ... with current Eng batting, don't be too sure they will prosper in lively tracks ... the move will backfire

  • ramli on July 14, 2014, 8:06 GMT

    @samvarma ... India had a 100+ last wicket partnership by 9 and 11 batsmen ... Eng did much better with 6 and 11 batsmen ... what could MSD do anything different other than switch the bowlers or set attacking fields? Somebody remarked that we should go for a kill? With what? It is for the bowlers to deliver ... nobody is denied any field placing ... they could not on this occasion ... what to do? Indians are quick to rue misfortune and blame but we must also learn to appreciate the stubborn resistance offered by opponents ... the bowlers from both side did not display enough skill-sets to make a different result ... that is all ... at least this Indian team competed unlike the one that went last time to Eng with non-performing seniors with one exception

  • sray23 on July 14, 2014, 7:33 GMT

    I hope after watching Jo'burg 203, Wellington 2014 and now Trent Bridge - everyone, all administrators, state associations and coaches responsible for producing bowlers in India hang their heads in shame and feel nothing short of rock-bottom embarrassment. Here we are, the cricket country with the most $$ and the biggest talent base BY FAR, and we can't even put together a 25% decent bowling attack. Andthis seems to be part of our DNA since the 1950s. How PATHETIC. And it's not really good enough to hide behind the fact that we keep producing good batsmen. Bowling is a core skill in cricket - and as a nation playing cricket for 60+ years we should really be squirming at the amateur level of our bowlers. It's easy blaming Dhoni, but unless he has bowlers who give him (and the nation) some confidence, there's not much he can do.

  • on July 14, 2014, 7:32 GMT

    Should try ishwar pandey instead of Shami in the next match. And should include Gambhir instead of Shikhar dhawan. Gambhir should be given a fair chance as dhawan is not looking in form.

  • on July 14, 2014, 7:10 GMT

    Drop Dhawan from the 11 for the next test and bring on Ashwin, who can be asked to bat above dhoni...with Vijay and Pujara opening the innings... as a result bowling unit will be strengthened. It's always the bowlers who can dictate the terms particularly in tests

  • roversgate on July 14, 2014, 6:52 GMT

    First and foremost, team selection in this match was spot-on. I would have probably replaced Ishant for someone more consistent (which might have backfired) and Dhawan for Gambhir (which would have been a plus). All in all it was well selected.

    This game was lost because of the top order throwing their wickets away and once again Dhoni's woeful captaincy. The guy does the same thing again and again. He lacks the instinct to go for the kill when there is an opening and then the match slips away. How many more times are we going to see this until Dhoni is removed from captaincy? He is a brilliant limited overs captain but lets face it, its time to move on in tests. Groom Kohli or Pujara for the role. Ah if only Zaheer was there, he would have made an outstanding captain for this series.

  • on July 14, 2014, 6:31 GMT

    Same old dodgy captain(MS dhoni). He can't perform well himself in overseas' pitches but expect different results, that's absurd for all the fans demanding India to do well without contributions of their overrated players. Pujara is India's hope if they are to win this series. His calmness and kindness on the pitch deserves some reward, he is a great player to watch. I still feel like bhuvi deserved the MOM award though, he has outplayed everyone on the pitch.

    For England, i think they desparately wanna win this series and Anderson's persistence proved it. Although the English are always a wicket(cook) down they apply themself quite nicely.

    2-1 to england is my prediction.

  • john_abey on July 14, 2014, 6:10 GMT

    First of all i agree with M-S-R, really got the same feeling why was Bhuvi not been the man of the match. Added 100 extra crucial runs with Shami to get India to a decent score, took 5 wickets as a result of disciplined bowling and again when it looked like england will bowl out India for a lead of 220+, he stood solid with Binny and added those crucial runs, which not only stretched the lead but also made the time to run out. Why Anderson?If anyone from Eng deserved the MOM then it was Root only!!!!

  • ladycricfan on July 14, 2014, 5:50 GMT

    Jadeja did a good containing job but he finished with 0/80 in the wicket column. His batting was also not very convincing to call him a test all rounder. Last year's ashes at Lords Swan took 9 wickets and Smith took 4 wickets. Lords pitch takes spin and Dhoni might go with two spinners. If only one spinner it should be Ashwin.

  • on July 14, 2014, 5:01 GMT

    For me the only plus for India was that they made England bowl throughout the test match. They have just finished a series with SL and this in itself is a 5 match series with very little gap between games. With england relaying on just three quicks, it is crucial to tire them as much as possible. As far as Indian batting goes, even though this was not a typical English pitch, still time spent in the middle helps. I hope India improves from here and put up a match winning performance at Lords. My only change to the side would be Ashwin replacing Jadeja. Although, it would be interesting to see how Binny bats in testing conditions, but I feel he would be a better bat that SRJ anyday.

  • on July 14, 2014, 4:40 GMT

    @shanepe2003. Yes and we can concede 600-700 runs in the first innings. The first innings in itself in that case will last for 5 days ending the test.

  • samvarma on July 14, 2014, 4:34 GMT

    I would like to hear from the captain on the 198 run 10th wicket partnership by England . How can he justify that.Time and again, I have seen Dhoni coming out post match trying to give a positive dimension on the outcome to safeguard his position. This is unacceptable after numerous defeats.

  • on July 14, 2014, 4:13 GMT

    India could try Pujara as an opener and Dhawan as 1 down, as Pujara looks more comfortable in facing the new ball

  • y4yoga on July 14, 2014, 3:26 GMT

    MSD's Post Match comments seems like the same Team would go for the 2nd test match.

  • SanjivAwesome on July 14, 2014, 3:13 GMT

    Dhoni, India lost on a "home" pitch. Score truly is 0-1 against India. England are sure to roll out four green tops after this because they have tested your team in its home conditions which you failed to utilise.

  • on July 14, 2014, 2:48 GMT

    Batsmen bowled bowlers batted. Both captains need to rethink.

  • on July 14, 2014, 1:58 GMT

    It doesn't really matter if No. 11 is scoring the runs or No. 7 is scoring the runs./////

    It is evident Dhoni tries to save his favorite player SIR Jadeja, IMO he should've been replaced ny Ashwin and the result would have been different :(

  • Sexysteven on July 14, 2014, 1:12 GMT

    If the tail can score runs on pitches like that anyone can so the batsman that failed shouldn't be happy cos that pitch was only good for improving your average although the runs from the tail was agood effort but u got to keep it in context if there was ever a pitch that suited tailenders that was it and credit for them scoring those runs but once they get on better pitches the chances of them batting like that are slim

  • M-S-R on July 13, 2014, 23:44 GMT

    -----what else Bhuvneshwar has to do to be the MOM ??

  • CricketChat on July 13, 2014, 22:56 GMT

    If Binny or any test bowler for that matter always needs help from pitch or weather to be effective, then they shouldn't be called test bowlers. A test bowler should be able to out think and out smart the batsmen to earn their wkts.

  • on July 13, 2014, 22:06 GMT

    Dhoni is consistently talking about positives after every game. If it was the Ganguly or Azar era, India would have had a new captain by now.

  • shanepe2003 on July 13, 2014, 21:49 GMT

    What a poor display by both the teams specially India they need to export test bawlers from SL

  • Waves239 on July 13, 2014, 19:58 GMT

    More than enforcing themselves to play five bowler strategy, India is committing mistakes in finding right eleven combination with specific roles assigned.

    In all the decades India played, when was the lat time did a spinner is assigned holding one end role? Spin bowling is always our strength and should be treated the same way. Is jadeja the best indian spinner to be playing right now? All legends like Kumble Warne struggled first in foreign conditions, give ASHWIN some time to breathe. Assign the attacking role rather just limit him in holding up the end. His batting is not bad either.

    Expecting lively pitches ahead, India can not bank on 5 batsman strategy. India need to play Rohit at no. 6 and try to get good first innings totals with six batsman to achieve considerable advantage in putting pressure on English batsman.

    No point in playing bits and pieces all-rounders!

    My XI: Shikar, Vijay, Pujara, Kohli, Rohit, Rahane, Dhoni, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Ishant, Shami/ Aaron

  • on July 13, 2014, 18:52 GMT

    on Trentbridge like pitches

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  • on July 13, 2014, 18:52 GMT

    on Trentbridge like pitches

  • Waves239 on July 13, 2014, 19:58 GMT

    More than enforcing themselves to play five bowler strategy, India is committing mistakes in finding right eleven combination with specific roles assigned.

    In all the decades India played, when was the lat time did a spinner is assigned holding one end role? Spin bowling is always our strength and should be treated the same way. Is jadeja the best indian spinner to be playing right now? All legends like Kumble Warne struggled first in foreign conditions, give ASHWIN some time to breathe. Assign the attacking role rather just limit him in holding up the end. His batting is not bad either.

    Expecting lively pitches ahead, India can not bank on 5 batsman strategy. India need to play Rohit at no. 6 and try to get good first innings totals with six batsman to achieve considerable advantage in putting pressure on English batsman.

    No point in playing bits and pieces all-rounders!

    My XI: Shikar, Vijay, Pujara, Kohli, Rohit, Rahane, Dhoni, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Ishant, Shami/ Aaron

  • shanepe2003 on July 13, 2014, 21:49 GMT

    What a poor display by both the teams specially India they need to export test bawlers from SL

  • on July 13, 2014, 22:06 GMT

    Dhoni is consistently talking about positives after every game. If it was the Ganguly or Azar era, India would have had a new captain by now.

  • CricketChat on July 13, 2014, 22:56 GMT

    If Binny or any test bowler for that matter always needs help from pitch or weather to be effective, then they shouldn't be called test bowlers. A test bowler should be able to out think and out smart the batsmen to earn their wkts.

  • M-S-R on July 13, 2014, 23:44 GMT

    -----what else Bhuvneshwar has to do to be the MOM ??

  • Sexysteven on July 14, 2014, 1:12 GMT

    If the tail can score runs on pitches like that anyone can so the batsman that failed shouldn't be happy cos that pitch was only good for improving your average although the runs from the tail was agood effort but u got to keep it in context if there was ever a pitch that suited tailenders that was it and credit for them scoring those runs but once they get on better pitches the chances of them batting like that are slim

  • on July 14, 2014, 1:58 GMT

    It doesn't really matter if No. 11 is scoring the runs or No. 7 is scoring the runs./////

    It is evident Dhoni tries to save his favorite player SIR Jadeja, IMO he should've been replaced ny Ashwin and the result would have been different :(

  • on July 14, 2014, 2:48 GMT

    Batsmen bowled bowlers batted. Both captains need to rethink.

  • SanjivAwesome on July 14, 2014, 3:13 GMT

    Dhoni, India lost on a "home" pitch. Score truly is 0-1 against India. England are sure to roll out four green tops after this because they have tested your team in its home conditions which you failed to utilise.