England news January 7, 2014

Stokes and co face IPL dilemma

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England players confident that they have clear permission to play in the IPL until May 13 this year could come under moral pressure to commit to Championship cricket and display a renewed resolve to atone for their failures in the Ashes series.

England's team director, Andy Flower, is already contemplating how much to press players to re-evaluate their techniques in domestic cricket rather than enter next month's auction for IPL 2014.

Most pressure could come to bear on Ben Stokes, England's one incontestable success in the Ashes, whose potential to become an indispensable and exciting allrounder in both Test and limited-overs cricket could put him in dangerously heavy demand.

That Stokes needs protection is evident. But there is also little doubt that Stokes' limited-overs game would develop more rapidly in the full glare of the IPL for a month - leaving him with some pondering to do as England try to salvage their self-respect in the coming weeks, in five ODIs and three T20s against Australia.

Kevin Pietersen, who has repeatedly been the victim of an emotional tug-of-war between his wish to play in the IPL and maintain a successful England career, is bound to assert his right to play IPL - although he will doubtless be braced for some media character assassination in the process.

Eoin Morgan, for all his assurances ahead of the Big Bash League that he still retained hopes of a Test career, would also be expected to resist any suggestion that now is the time for him to shift his emphasis and commit to Middlesex to try to prove his potential as a Test cricketer and become one of the beneficiaries of England's anticipated shake-up.

But pressure could be bought to bear on other England players who until now had imagined that the agreement in principle hammered out between the ECB and the Professional Cricketers' Association would be regarded as inviolable.

Stuart Broad, James Anderson and Matt Prior are among those who could expect to be the recipients of some persuasive chats over the next few of weeks as Flower, whose retention as England's team director after the 5-0 whitewash has already been guaranteed, draws up his strategy to get England back on an even keel.

Jos Buttler is another interesting case. Buttler has drawn enough attention to himself in England's one-day side and in the Big Bash League to make him an attractive proposition for an IPL franchise, but he also moved to Lancashire in the close season to gain more wicketkeeping opportunities in the knowledge that England see him as a potential international keeper not only in one-day cricket but also, in the longer term, in the Test format if his game matures.

There is no clause in England's new central contracts which state categorically the rights and restrictions on involvement in IPL - that is impossible due to the tournament's unpredictability.

To pin down the IPL is like pinning down fog - the dates for 2014 have yet to be announced and part of the tournament might be staged outside India because of security concerns during anticipated national elections. Until a window is agreed - whether unofficial or not - for cricket's most dominant carnival, a sane future in English cricket is virtually impossible.

What there is, though, is an agreement in principle that covers not just those with central contracts but all potential England players, to minimise clashes between England's international programme and the IPL.

That leaves a whole lot of wriggle room for the ECB, but it is precisely that commitment which saw the start of the international programme put back a week this year until May 20.

It would be naïve to imagine, however, that Flower will not bring pressure to bear where he thinks it is most needed - and arguably he would not be doing his job if he did not do so - but for this new accord to be honoured, there is a line beyond which this persuasion should not go.

The agreed May 13 deadline would give England players involved in the IPL one week to prepare for a month of one-day cricket against Sri Lanka. Indeed, the decision to begin England's summer schedule with limited-overs cricket seemingly gives the small number of England players who win IPL deals a logical case that T20 cricket provides an ideal warm-up for the international season, and that playing Championship cricket instead would be little more than a guilt trip.

But a 5-0 whitewash in the Ashes is not necessarily a time when logic will hold sway. England's eyes will be on the need to make a statement of regeneration in the first Test against Sri Lanka at Lord's on June 12 and performances in Championship cricket will be watched with more scrutiny than for many years.

As Stokes, in particular, is about to discover, achievements come hand-in-hand with problems.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY Lawson212 on | January 7, 2014, 13:34 GMT

    England need to do everthing they can to help Stokes avoid the IPL and focus on the County Championship. He is the future of their Test team, as the all-rounder they've been craving for, and that should take precedent over any limited overs commitments (Woakes/Wright can be the all-rounder in ODI and T20).

    As for Pietersen, it may be better for him to be in the IPL to keep him "sweet" in want of a better phrase. His form is rarely in doubt, but more rather a focus on his attitude when on the pitch in the longer form.

    Morgan should stick to limited formats, his time in the Test game is over. Buttler is one for the Test team, but not for a couple of years, so he should become a permanent fixture in the ODI/T20 side first, so the IPL is a welcome for him.

    As for Anderson/Broad/Prior, it comes down to how much they rate at the peak of their fitness for Test cricket. Anderson doesn't have any impressive T20 figures either - high economy rates.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | January 11, 2014, 8:22 GMT

    Decent cricket in the county championship for them as opposed to hit and giggle against 4th rate Aussies and Indians

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 8, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    Re English contracted player , they have the choice. Contracts come are given/renewed every 12 months and if the players feel it is unfair and they are better off playing IPL then no one is forcing them to sign the ECB contracts. Some are saying it's unfair but maybe the ECB see it would be unfair if their contracted players came back injured/suffering burn out or whatever. I'm not saying that would happen but ECB as the paymasters have the right to do whatever they see fit. Personally I'm not at all anti IPL. I think we overdo the resting of there are instances where it does help a player and I'm sure it could improve some of our shorter format players but by the same token you have instances like Morgan in 2012 who was benched for the whole tournament when he could have been playing cricket back in England.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 8, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    We seem to go around in circles with these IPL debates. I think the main debate is should ECB let their players play a full IPL and the problem is that the English summer (when we get a summer) is so short that we often have to arrange test series which clashes with IPL. Of course we could cram all the tests close together but then there would be implications (such as increased risk of injury and burn out) and may I ask if any other nation would jeopardise the fitness of their players by cramming in a number of tests into such a small window? Also Aus players have played half IPLs when it has clashed with a test series and does anyone think SA would let Steyn or AB play IPL instead of playing for SA?

  • POSTED BY anton1234 on | January 8, 2014, 17:01 GMT

    Playing in T20s just before test matches can be dangerous. Look at Warner. After Adelaide or Perth he went to play for Sidney in the big Bash and from there on, looked muddled. Luckily for England they only have Sri Lanka series, which shouldn't be too difficult in early summer conditions.

  • POSTED BY Iddo555 on | January 8, 2014, 16:16 GMT

    England players get paid enough not to bother with the IPL. The only thing Stokes needs to concern himself with is becoming the best all rounder he can be and I think he would be better off playing 4 day county cricket for that rather than hit and giggle in the IPL. There's lots of time later on in a player's career for 20/20 cricket when he can no longer last 5 days

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2014, 12:19 GMT

    This issue is being made much more complicated than it needs to be. The only principle which needs applying is this: success should be rewarded, failure should be punished. Losing a series 5-0 to a not particularly great opposition should be punished. Do that by announcing no central contracts will be awarded for the 2014 English season. Anyone who wants to play for England should be required to play all matches for their counties prior to the start of the next international series with Sri Lanka. Anybody who doesn't do this or uses it as an opportunity to play in foreign leagues like the IPL will be deemed to have made themselves unavailable for selection for England during the 2014 season. That way, anyone like Pietersen will be left with a clear choice, prove you want to play for England. No one will be stopped from going to the IPL but if you do you won't be picked for England. We can return to a cosier arrangement in 2015 if the side are more successful in 2014 & 14-15.

  • POSTED BY sachin_vvsfan on | January 8, 2014, 12:11 GMT

    I am not sure whether IPL improves players skills but i saw some gains. Watson acknowledged that IPL helped him in resurrecting his ODI career in 2009-10. Kallis acknowledged it gave him the freedom to express himself. Albie Morkel got central contract after his stint with IPL. Mitch benefited ( to some extent) with the break he got in IPL. Eng could benefit from IPL in a sense that they get a chance to play some fearless cricket against some top players( unlike the Ashes where players buckled down due to the pressure) Besides IPL played its part in reducing the tensions between opposition players.

  • POSTED BY barryrichardsfan on | January 8, 2014, 9:05 GMT

    incredible dilemma for these english cricketers really. but imo there is no harm playing ipl for these people. KP, stokes, butler, carberry, bairstow would only gain confidence in ipl heading to play SL and Ind in tests(better than first class matches in county).

  • POSTED BY Srivathsan_Sridharan on | January 8, 2014, 8:02 GMT

    It will be very disappointing if the English players not allowed to play in IPL particularly KP. See how Johnson has transformed himself after he playing in IPL. In someways IPL is benefiting the players. Johnson contracted to Mumbai and he had the oppurtunity of interacting with its coaching staff like John wright(One of the best coach), Jonty Rhodes, Ponting and Kumble. IPL will serve as an oppurtunity for the players to take guidance from the best coaches available in the world. This year Gary Kirsten has been contracted to Delhi team.

  • POSTED BY Lawson212 on | January 7, 2014, 13:34 GMT

    England need to do everthing they can to help Stokes avoid the IPL and focus on the County Championship. He is the future of their Test team, as the all-rounder they've been craving for, and that should take precedent over any limited overs commitments (Woakes/Wright can be the all-rounder in ODI and T20).

    As for Pietersen, it may be better for him to be in the IPL to keep him "sweet" in want of a better phrase. His form is rarely in doubt, but more rather a focus on his attitude when on the pitch in the longer form.

    Morgan should stick to limited formats, his time in the Test game is over. Buttler is one for the Test team, but not for a couple of years, so he should become a permanent fixture in the ODI/T20 side first, so the IPL is a welcome for him.

    As for Anderson/Broad/Prior, it comes down to how much they rate at the peak of their fitness for Test cricket. Anderson doesn't have any impressive T20 figures either - high economy rates.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | January 11, 2014, 8:22 GMT

    Decent cricket in the county championship for them as opposed to hit and giggle against 4th rate Aussies and Indians

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 8, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    Re English contracted player , they have the choice. Contracts come are given/renewed every 12 months and if the players feel it is unfair and they are better off playing IPL then no one is forcing them to sign the ECB contracts. Some are saying it's unfair but maybe the ECB see it would be unfair if their contracted players came back injured/suffering burn out or whatever. I'm not saying that would happen but ECB as the paymasters have the right to do whatever they see fit. Personally I'm not at all anti IPL. I think we overdo the resting of there are instances where it does help a player and I'm sure it could improve some of our shorter format players but by the same token you have instances like Morgan in 2012 who was benched for the whole tournament when he could have been playing cricket back in England.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 8, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    We seem to go around in circles with these IPL debates. I think the main debate is should ECB let their players play a full IPL and the problem is that the English summer (when we get a summer) is so short that we often have to arrange test series which clashes with IPL. Of course we could cram all the tests close together but then there would be implications (such as increased risk of injury and burn out) and may I ask if any other nation would jeopardise the fitness of their players by cramming in a number of tests into such a small window? Also Aus players have played half IPLs when it has clashed with a test series and does anyone think SA would let Steyn or AB play IPL instead of playing for SA?

  • POSTED BY anton1234 on | January 8, 2014, 17:01 GMT

    Playing in T20s just before test matches can be dangerous. Look at Warner. After Adelaide or Perth he went to play for Sidney in the big Bash and from there on, looked muddled. Luckily for England they only have Sri Lanka series, which shouldn't be too difficult in early summer conditions.

  • POSTED BY Iddo555 on | January 8, 2014, 16:16 GMT

    England players get paid enough not to bother with the IPL. The only thing Stokes needs to concern himself with is becoming the best all rounder he can be and I think he would be better off playing 4 day county cricket for that rather than hit and giggle in the IPL. There's lots of time later on in a player's career for 20/20 cricket when he can no longer last 5 days

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2014, 12:19 GMT

    This issue is being made much more complicated than it needs to be. The only principle which needs applying is this: success should be rewarded, failure should be punished. Losing a series 5-0 to a not particularly great opposition should be punished. Do that by announcing no central contracts will be awarded for the 2014 English season. Anyone who wants to play for England should be required to play all matches for their counties prior to the start of the next international series with Sri Lanka. Anybody who doesn't do this or uses it as an opportunity to play in foreign leagues like the IPL will be deemed to have made themselves unavailable for selection for England during the 2014 season. That way, anyone like Pietersen will be left with a clear choice, prove you want to play for England. No one will be stopped from going to the IPL but if you do you won't be picked for England. We can return to a cosier arrangement in 2015 if the side are more successful in 2014 & 14-15.

  • POSTED BY sachin_vvsfan on | January 8, 2014, 12:11 GMT

    I am not sure whether IPL improves players skills but i saw some gains. Watson acknowledged that IPL helped him in resurrecting his ODI career in 2009-10. Kallis acknowledged it gave him the freedom to express himself. Albie Morkel got central contract after his stint with IPL. Mitch benefited ( to some extent) with the break he got in IPL. Eng could benefit from IPL in a sense that they get a chance to play some fearless cricket against some top players( unlike the Ashes where players buckled down due to the pressure) Besides IPL played its part in reducing the tensions between opposition players.

  • POSTED BY barryrichardsfan on | January 8, 2014, 9:05 GMT

    incredible dilemma for these english cricketers really. but imo there is no harm playing ipl for these people. KP, stokes, butler, carberry, bairstow would only gain confidence in ipl heading to play SL and Ind in tests(better than first class matches in county).

  • POSTED BY Srivathsan_Sridharan on | January 8, 2014, 8:02 GMT

    It will be very disappointing if the English players not allowed to play in IPL particularly KP. See how Johnson has transformed himself after he playing in IPL. In someways IPL is benefiting the players. Johnson contracted to Mumbai and he had the oppurtunity of interacting with its coaching staff like John wright(One of the best coach), Jonty Rhodes, Ponting and Kumble. IPL will serve as an oppurtunity for the players to take guidance from the best coaches available in the world. This year Gary Kirsten has been contracted to Delhi team.

  • POSTED BY IndiaNumeroUno on | January 8, 2014, 7:41 GMT

    I don't think any IPL team will want one of these heavily scarred players anyway! However if given a chance they really need to play in the IPL. One thing I noticed was the inhibited batting display and no free stroke play. Note that the Aussies (many of who play IPL/BBL) managed a healthy run rate during the Ashes while England could not. Both teams could bat only for a day or 3 sessions, but Aussies managed to make many more runs. T20 improves certain aspects of Test/ODI's!

  • POSTED BY yorkslanka on | January 8, 2014, 6:31 GMT

    @thinking cricket- that's fair enough mate, wasn't saying he should/shouldn't , just asking the question...I suppose given your answer then, if the ECB want to keep him as a non IPL player, they will have to give him a central contract ASAP. Personally, I like the IPL and I think it's better for a player to be playing against top class opposition players ( I.e the international players and top tree of indians) than average players , irrespective of the format...let's see what happens...

  • POSTED BY ThinkingCricket on | January 8, 2014, 5:34 GMT

    Yorkslanka:

    1) That's not the case in every country, and in some countries unless the player is centrally contracted, a Cricket Board has no legal right to restrict their employment elsewhere.

    2) The bigger issue is players will just retire if they are being asked to play domestic first-class for peanuts instead of making millions in the IPL.

    It's all very well asking people to put Tests first, but I don't think anyone would turn down a 5x increase in salary (and that's even assuming that they actually prefer playing First-Class in front of an empty crowd to T20s in front of packed houses.

  • POSTED BY xtrafalgarx on | January 8, 2014, 5:13 GMT

    I don't see how he has shown any T20 prowess at all. I doubt he will be a hot pick in the IPL as of yet. After the one day series and T20 series, then yes. But at the moment, no.

  • POSTED BY jonesy2 on | January 8, 2014, 3:13 GMT

    i doubt any IPL teams would want them anyway, maybe only morgan

  • POSTED BY gandabhai on | January 8, 2014, 2:47 GMT

    @cyril knight, Not shure what planet your from. Look at some of the Ashes destroyers, Johnson, Warner, Smith, Watto etc, looks like IPL could have benefitted these guys. This time last year, Johnson wasn't even on the Aussie radar.

  • POSTED BY insightfulcricketer on | January 8, 2014, 2:02 GMT

    Let me say at the outset I was hugely sceptical of IPL. However the sea of change I have seen in Indian and international players from playing in IPL carnival non-stop to full houses makes me re-think IPL being good for players long term. Case at hand is none other than Johnson.The full throated backing of Johnson at Mumbai made him believe.I think the sea-change of Johnson from first game at IPL to the final was huge.He was loved un-abashedly and his full tosses on leg stump were ignored but his blazing speed was loved.I saw same treatment of Pietersen by Delhi crowd in 2012 IPL the little he played and immediately he delivered against SA in first test before the sceptic English press got to him. I think Johnson and Pietersen are performers and need longer rope as matchwinners.IPL lets their undoubted flair and talent to flower and it shows in their international performance. I think English selectors need to get out of their colonial mindset and let IPL be the finishing school

  • POSTED BY elsmallo on | January 8, 2014, 1:15 GMT

    I'm honestly not sure anymore. One one level, it seems sense to shield these guys from IPL cricket and steer them towards developing their First-Class games. Whatever Pietersen does now is really up to him, from England's perspective the worst thing probably is to tell him what he can and can't do. Morgan I'd suggest would do better to try and score some runs in the championship; we all know what he can do in 20/20. He could look to Warner for inspiration and try to bring his natural game too much in the longer formats. On the other hand it might be best for all involved to get as far away from the current England set-up as possible; in comparison to previous generations it's tempting to assume that the current players are man-managed to exhausting levels. Let them get out into the world and discover it for themselves for a change, even if this does mean playing franchise 20/20 cricket of dubious standard.

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2014, 0:21 GMT

    I have never seen any player from any country not benefitting from IPL. Im not just talking financially but form and career wise too. Look at Gayle when he was picked for IPL, WI board had dropped him and looking at his play he got back into their team.

  • POSTED BY class9ryan on | January 8, 2014, 0:19 GMT

    How many people come on to the ground to watch the county championship ? Except for Ashes will Stokes ever play in front of more than 25,000 people regularly ? Its altogether a different experience playing in front of 30-35K every game. There were as many as 35-40 Aussies playing in IPL but still they won the Ashes 5-0. Atleast Hales, Stokes, Lumb, Morgan should be playing IPL

  • POSTED BY brow07 on | January 7, 2014, 23:43 GMT

    The English media and fans resistance to the IPL and t20 continues to amaze me. Playing against the best players in the world in an extremely high pressure format in front of crowds of up to 50,000 would develop the likes of Stokes, Buttler, Hales etc enormously. Being a good t20 player does not make you a bad test player as de Villiers, Rahane, Kohli and probably the best example Warner all show us

    Playing county cricket against no current internationals and no-one turning the ball or bowling over 85 mph is going to be of no real help whatsoever. Imagine what Stokes would gain from facing Narine and Steyn as opposed to Matt Coles and James Middlebrook

    As far as English players who should get IPL contracts I'd say Buttler, Hales, Lumb, Pietersen, Stokes. All of those would be first-choices for most franchises, especially given the performances of the first two during the BBL

  • POSTED BY couchpundit on | January 7, 2014, 22:42 GMT

    @Cyril_Knight - go tell it to Mitchell johnson,Sunil narine, Taylor, dale steyn, young lanky west indian pace bowler, bravo, AB , Virat Kohli, Rahane.....we all saw the standards of English fielding in Ashes even Afghanistan poses a better fielding unit. LOL... grow up kiddo good player play anywhere everywhere.

    Point is unless you are willing to learn and be on top of your game...you will not succeed. Playing in Doctored English Pitches will make you loose in Doctored Australian Pitches.... you need to remember that before talking about IPL pitches...which in any case is sub standard...concrete slabs.

  • POSTED BY couchpundit on | January 7, 2014, 22:28 GMT

    IPL...yay...come on guys when england looses next time we can blame it on IPL...so long they were priding on english players holding the line...ofcourse except KP(in any case he is not considred english player even in England team)...so whats the problem...let the players play IPL and we can blame deccline of English cricket on IPL evil money....muhaha...muhahaha

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | January 7, 2014, 20:13 GMT

    @Cyril_Knight. I agree with you. Anyone your lot doesn't include in future plans can go earn their retirement package in the IPL. Perhaps KP? But Stokes playing there would, IMHO, impact his contribution to tests. First class form counts the most for tests. Cheers.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2014, 20:10 GMT

    With reference to Hales, I think he would comfortably start for most franchises. Lets not forget he currently has the highest in average in T20I's amongst all Test nations (20+ Innings)

  • POSTED BY rachetbetty on | January 7, 2014, 19:45 GMT

    These players need competitive IPL cricket, playing under pressure!. Unfortunately there is very little pressure in county cricket, therefore it is a waste of time having these players get useless runs/ wickets. This has been proved over the last 3 years , whenever the English players have come up against something out of the ordinary, they seem unable to think for themselves. this is a lack of preparation in pressurised situations. Get them in to high pressure situations wherever possible.

  • POSTED BY PM2012 on | January 7, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    Think its very optimistic to include Anderson and Prior in this. I'd be very surprised if either of those were even considered for a contract, and I'd also doubt the amount of interest for Broad.

    Hales and Stokes might be the only two involved who haven't played before, but I reckon they'd both be squad players for most of, if not all, of the franchises. If Morgan really has any desire to play Test cricket for England then this is the time he needs to forget about short form and get some FC runs for Middlesex.

  • POSTED BY Cyril_Knight on | January 7, 2014, 17:36 GMT

    IPL does not create international cricketers, the standard is generally poor (often awful) and flat pitches counter productive. The decision about whether English players are in the auction is purely financial, nothing else. England should ignore the corrupt circus and focus on getting players into form in Championship cricket. There is no better place to relearn how win Test matches than the First Division.

  • POSTED BY aahahaa on | January 7, 2014, 17:14 GMT

    not that ipl is good but atleast it gives financial security to players, and the least that top players SHOULD be given is financial security. if a player is so weak in technique that by playing in ipl his test future will be affected then he should not be a test player to begin with. good test players SHOULD adapt and learn, no matter what. but when a centrally contarcted player over works himself by playing non descript events like ipl , thereby putting himself at risk of injury and fatigue before a crucial test series the respective board SHOULD step in. more exposure always the better.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2014, 17:10 GMT

    Honestly dont see Stokes getting a bid or many other England players. I only think Pieterson will get a chance to play

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2014, 16:45 GMT

    Most South African stars play in the IPL. If I am not wrong, they are the number one Test side in the world. And I also remember Kallis mentioning that the IPL gave him the freedom to try new shots which helped him in also other formats of the game.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2014, 16:02 GMT

    We should reward Stokes' success and let him go. It must improve his game being exposed to all the top players. Not doing many of these young Indian batsmen any harm, nor Warner!

  • POSTED BY CricketMaan on | January 7, 2014, 15:59 GMT

    Its recorded, documented that the likes of Watto, Mitch all had a good time in IPL and used its platform to raise thier fitness, form. IPL can neither take total credit for thier achievements nor one can deny it dettered thier performance. Take Mike Hussey, he played in all IPLs and never his standards dropped. So is the case with AB, Sanga, Mahela, Taylor and many more that have done well in whites. Its a myth that IPL is deamining test cricket, rather its allwoing players to try out new skills, have fun and enjoy cricket on the whole. If IPL is wrong so is all the T20s around the world. None will stop, its for England to chose what is best for them, but i will not miss Broad, Jimmy, Prior in IPL. I'd rather miss Eion, KP, Hales, Butler or Stokes.

  • POSTED BY yorkslanka on | January 7, 2014, 15:51 GMT

    Doesn't a national board have to issue a no objection certificate for a player to participate in the IPL ? If so then surely the choice isn't the players as to whether to play or not

  • POSTED BY ThinkingCricket on | January 7, 2014, 15:39 GMT

    Lawson212, that is counter-productive and dangerous. Players needed to be respected as individuals and treated. If Stokes prefers to play IPL, that's his personal preference and should be respected. The ECB goes too far in favouring Test Cricket over other disciplines, and it seems clear that neither Test performance nor Limited Overs performance has benefited. The last thing they need to do is alienate Stokes by trying to make his decisions for him.

    Aside from this, I don't think 1 good innings with the bat and a cluster of late wickets in the last Test are at all proof that Stokes is the saviour. Only time will tell, but I don't think Stokes is even very good.

  • POSTED BY class9ryan on | January 7, 2014, 15:30 GMT

    Matt Prior, Graeme Swann and Stuart Broad were the deserving players who haven't been a part of the IPL. But now I don't think Prior is gonna be bidden for. So Hales, KP, Morgan, Wright may be the only 4 to play in the competition. If Lumb, Stokes come might go for a few bucks.

  • POSTED BY ShanTheFanOfSachin on | January 7, 2014, 15:22 GMT

    What is all the talks of "Put team above money", "test cricket above everything else"??

    Will any of you guys take a pay cut and go and watch a test match, just because you earn good enough money to sacrifice some for the good of test cricket??

    Its not about IPL, ANY xyz league that offers ENG cricketers to earn good money, you can not ask them to ignore it. Cricketers' career can be very short, they are professionals and they have a right to earn more.

    Yes of course ECB can decide what is important for them and ban the players from participating in IPL, can understand that.

    But eventually, at some point in the future if not now, players will start quiting Test cricket or ENG team for that matter, to play in IPL or any other cash-rich league.

  • POSTED BY Capricorn60 on | January 7, 2014, 15:10 GMT

    THE IPL is not only good sometimes for players to recover their form [e.g. Mitchell Johnson] & give players financial security but more importantly, brings players & coaches of all different nationalities together for a few weeks every year - resulting in a greater appreciation & understanding of each other's cultures, emanating in new friendships & a lot less hostility between players when they later face each other playing for their countries. We have even seen the 'bad blood' between some Indian & Aussie players of past years e.g.[like Ponting, Symonds, Bhajji etc] completely washed away when these players even then find themselves in the same IPL team. So this inter-mingling of players in the IPL also leads to national benefits in the game being played in the right spirit between countries & the ECB should fully support their players being part of the IPL like all other cricketing nations now do.

  • POSTED BY cricbreathe on | January 7, 2014, 14:54 GMT

    Test team No 1- almost all of this team plays IPL - SA Test team No 2- almost all of this team plays IPL - Ind Test team No3 - Their star players play in IPL - Aus Test team No 4- 2 /3 of their players play in IPL - Eng (constantly been demoted from their previous position in rankings) Think again guys IPL is a fetsival, enjoy it, build your confidence and win test series. Thats what happened to Aus and SA

  • POSTED BY PeteEdinburgh on | January 7, 2014, 14:50 GMT

    Playing in the IPL hardly seems to have done Mitchell Johnson or David Warner any harm. If County Cricket has gone a bit soft in recent years (as George Dobell has been arguing for a while now), then maybe a stint in the IPL would be a better option for some players.

    Stokes is an alarming case though. While ever the schedule remains so ridiculous, the only solution to manage his workload might be for him to drop one of the three forms of the game. As Barney Ronay wrote in the Guardian in November - there are no all rounders any more, in the sense of top-six batsmen who are frontline bowlers AND who play in all three formats. Shane Watson is the only major nation exception.

  • POSTED BY Harlequin. on | January 7, 2014, 14:39 GMT

    As much I would normally want the England players to avoid the IPL, particularly the test players, it would be hypocrisy of the highest order if the England management forced them to play county cricket instead. They pretty much discounted all county championship results and scores when selecting for this Ashes (I think we are all aware of the Compton/Onions/Tremlett/Borthwick-as-a-spinner situation) so to say that all of a sudden county championship is where they should be playing would be a joke.

    Actually, I think something like the IPL or BBL would be the perfect tonic to this recent Ashes tour. Some hit and giggle pressure-free cricket might inject some life into someone like Prior.

  • POSTED BY shillingsworth on | January 7, 2014, 14:29 GMT

    Rather presumptuous of most England players to expect an IPL contract surely. Having an Ashes humiliation on your CV hardly endears you to franchise owners, sponsors and supporters. Prior and Anderson aren't in the T20 or ODI squads - what other opportunities do they have to change perceptions before the auction?

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2014, 14:25 GMT

    @Amit_4_Sachin posted "Almost all the Aussie players participate in the IPL. In fact, it was IPL in which Mitch rediscovered himself. They still won 5-0, didn't they?" - Exactly my thoughts

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 7, 2014, 13:57 GMT

    Only 4-5 players can play IPL.Stokes,Pietersen,Morgan,Buttler and Borthwick.

  • POSTED BY cric698 on | January 7, 2014, 13:48 GMT

    This should be the year of all years when players should put the good of the team ahead of cash.

    I would like to see all players playing in every championship game before the first Test. Apart from Stokes/Broad, no one should be guaranteed a place for the first Test after such an absysmal tour. No one should be be considered for selection if they dont play Championship cricket as there will be no form to suggest they are worth there pace ahead of someone scoring runs.

    It will strengthen the competition when everyones involved also, as well as guide younger county players. This will give a first look at who genuinely values playing for England above all else.

  • POSTED BY asiacricket1234 on | January 7, 2014, 13:36 GMT

    I don't really understand why some England players are so so eager to play in IPL. Its a great league to earn money but English players are not Poor by any mean. They earn good money from the cricket board and than they have their sponsor deal so if they miss out half of IPL it is not going to do them much harm. They have had an awful Ashes so they should concentrate on getting their form back

  • POSTED BY Amit_4_Sachin on | January 7, 2014, 13:34 GMT

    Almost all the Aussie players participate in the IPL. In fact, it was IPL in which Mitch rediscovered himself. They still won 5-0, didn't they?

  • POSTED BY Amit_4_Sachin on | January 7, 2014, 13:34 GMT

    Almost all the Aussie players participate in the IPL. In fact, it was IPL in which Mitch rediscovered himself. They still won 5-0, didn't they?

  • POSTED BY asiacricket1234 on | January 7, 2014, 13:36 GMT

    I don't really understand why some England players are so so eager to play in IPL. Its a great league to earn money but English players are not Poor by any mean. They earn good money from the cricket board and than they have their sponsor deal so if they miss out half of IPL it is not going to do them much harm. They have had an awful Ashes so they should concentrate on getting their form back

  • POSTED BY cric698 on | January 7, 2014, 13:48 GMT

    This should be the year of all years when players should put the good of the team ahead of cash.

    I would like to see all players playing in every championship game before the first Test. Apart from Stokes/Broad, no one should be guaranteed a place for the first Test after such an absysmal tour. No one should be be considered for selection if they dont play Championship cricket as there will be no form to suggest they are worth there pace ahead of someone scoring runs.

    It will strengthen the competition when everyones involved also, as well as guide younger county players. This will give a first look at who genuinely values playing for England above all else.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 7, 2014, 13:57 GMT

    Only 4-5 players can play IPL.Stokes,Pietersen,Morgan,Buttler and Borthwick.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2014, 14:25 GMT

    @Amit_4_Sachin posted "Almost all the Aussie players participate in the IPL. In fact, it was IPL in which Mitch rediscovered himself. They still won 5-0, didn't they?" - Exactly my thoughts

  • POSTED BY shillingsworth on | January 7, 2014, 14:29 GMT

    Rather presumptuous of most England players to expect an IPL contract surely. Having an Ashes humiliation on your CV hardly endears you to franchise owners, sponsors and supporters. Prior and Anderson aren't in the T20 or ODI squads - what other opportunities do they have to change perceptions before the auction?

  • POSTED BY Harlequin. on | January 7, 2014, 14:39 GMT

    As much I would normally want the England players to avoid the IPL, particularly the test players, it would be hypocrisy of the highest order if the England management forced them to play county cricket instead. They pretty much discounted all county championship results and scores when selecting for this Ashes (I think we are all aware of the Compton/Onions/Tremlett/Borthwick-as-a-spinner situation) so to say that all of a sudden county championship is where they should be playing would be a joke.

    Actually, I think something like the IPL or BBL would be the perfect tonic to this recent Ashes tour. Some hit and giggle pressure-free cricket might inject some life into someone like Prior.

  • POSTED BY PeteEdinburgh on | January 7, 2014, 14:50 GMT

    Playing in the IPL hardly seems to have done Mitchell Johnson or David Warner any harm. If County Cricket has gone a bit soft in recent years (as George Dobell has been arguing for a while now), then maybe a stint in the IPL would be a better option for some players.

    Stokes is an alarming case though. While ever the schedule remains so ridiculous, the only solution to manage his workload might be for him to drop one of the three forms of the game. As Barney Ronay wrote in the Guardian in November - there are no all rounders any more, in the sense of top-six batsmen who are frontline bowlers AND who play in all three formats. Shane Watson is the only major nation exception.

  • POSTED BY cricbreathe on | January 7, 2014, 14:54 GMT

    Test team No 1- almost all of this team plays IPL - SA Test team No 2- almost all of this team plays IPL - Ind Test team No3 - Their star players play in IPL - Aus Test team No 4- 2 /3 of their players play in IPL - Eng (constantly been demoted from their previous position in rankings) Think again guys IPL is a fetsival, enjoy it, build your confidence and win test series. Thats what happened to Aus and SA

  • POSTED BY Capricorn60 on | January 7, 2014, 15:10 GMT

    THE IPL is not only good sometimes for players to recover their form [e.g. Mitchell Johnson] & give players financial security but more importantly, brings players & coaches of all different nationalities together for a few weeks every year - resulting in a greater appreciation & understanding of each other's cultures, emanating in new friendships & a lot less hostility between players when they later face each other playing for their countries. We have even seen the 'bad blood' between some Indian & Aussie players of past years e.g.[like Ponting, Symonds, Bhajji etc] completely washed away when these players even then find themselves in the same IPL team. So this inter-mingling of players in the IPL also leads to national benefits in the game being played in the right spirit between countries & the ECB should fully support their players being part of the IPL like all other cricketing nations now do.