India v England, 1st ODI, Hyderabad October 15, 2011

Losing-streak lasted too long - Dhoni

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MS Dhoni has said India's 126-run victory in Hyderabad was an important one as their losing-streak had lasted a bit too long and they needed to start enjoying the game again. India had not managed a single international win on their recent tour of England, and had lost all four Tests and three ODIs.

"It's important to win games," Dhoni said after the match in Hyderabad. "If you're not winning games, you don't enjoy playing cricket and our losing streak was a bit too long. We actually played quite well during the ODIs in England and our batsmen got us the runs. But the rain there made it hard for our spinners to grip the wet ball and the seamers too were easy to score of since the ball would come on to the bat better after it rained. Tonight there was no dew and our bowlers showed that they can win us games if the conditions are in their favour."

A lot of the runs that India scored in the ODIs in England were contributed by Dhoni himself, and he continued that form in Hyderabad, scoring his fourth half-century in as many one-day innings. He said his innings of 87 from 70 balls was a calculated one in that he went for some lofted strokes through the off side that he doesn't play as much since remodelling his game to be a steadying influence on the middle order at No. 6.

Dhoni started his innings on Friday slowly, getting to five of 18 balls before he got his first boundary. He then targeted the off side, hitting eight of his ten fours through there, including a couple of lofts through extra-cover.

"I normally don't believe in rating my performance but yes this innings is a precious innings for me," he said. "Once I started batting at No 6, I had remodelled my game but this innings of mine was a very well calculated one. It was not easy to rotate strike in the middle overs particularly when Graeme Swann was bowling. It was important to just get through that phase.

"I tried a lot of aerial shots which I normally don't play nowadays. I have been practising hitting over the cover region and I felt this was the right match to try that out and it worked well."

After Dhoni's innings had helped India reach 300, Ravindra Jadeja and R Ashwin sparked an England collapse. While praising his bowlers, Dhoni was also mindful of the role dew would play in the series, and said though the lack of dew in Hyderabad on Friday was a big help to his bowlers, they couldn't rule out there being dew at other venues, which is why picking the right combination and making the right choice at the toss would be tricky.

"The timing of this series is wrong. Had it been in April or May, there'd be the guarantee of no dew and most of the wickets would turn a lot and the fast bowlers too could use their slower ones to be effective. But now, it's the beginning of winter so it's hard to predict whether there will be dew or not.

"Last night [Thursday] there was quite a bit of dew here but today there wasn't. If we were playing in November or December we could blindly field first knowing the ball would be hard to grip in the evening. But now it's tricky and some decisions may go wrong. Also, we will probably have to stick with three quicks and two spinners because if there is dew then it will be hard to manoeuvre three spinners."

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  • on October 18, 2011, 12:40 GMT

    India were abysmal in england.. england were pathetic in the 2 odis played so far....end of the story..sick of the excuses the fans r givin here.

  • on October 18, 2011, 9:12 GMT

    why are you peopl earguing about the conditions? if u say the indians do well only on the flat pitches of the subcontinent then all the teams they play against also play on the same belters..and LOSE to india! instead of saying "oh india's plays well only at home iin the subcontinent" sit back an think why the other teams FAIL on flat batting pitches!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 17, 2011, 21:52 GMT

    @5wombats, sorry. I didn't realise. On a serious note, I don't agree with some of the things said by my countrymen, I do feel that England have themselves to blame for getting it wrong from selection (absence of Bell) to application (poor shots) and not having the focus (remember how focused Broad was in the summer?). They need to understand that they are playing in the backyard of a very tough team that was badly wounded in England. It is very important that they get their basics right. Everytime.

  • 5wombats on October 17, 2011, 19:32 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas - couldn't you tell I was joking? I am taking the mickey out of the oh so many excuses I read from india fans during the English Summer. You read them too - you know what I'm talking about.

  • on October 17, 2011, 16:00 GMT

    Its the playing conditions which favor Indians more than a better show. India is always vulnerable on seaming and pacy pitches. They are always better in home conditions. Spinners won the match which they could not do in England because of unfavorable conditions.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 17, 2011, 8:05 GMT

    @5wombats, hot humid conditions led to their collapse? Lol mate! That's some kind of unique excuses I heard of in recent times. Temperature felt like in low to high 80s with a humidity between 40 to 58% and a steady nice breeze between 3 to 8mph (courtesy the weather channel)! And those kind of moderate weather conditions led to the English batsmen falling like a pack of cards? That was hilarious mate! Well, either the English need to condition their bodies properly or you are showing some unique excuses. Well, I'm sure that the English are a very fit bunch (unlike some Indian players) and that the 'hot and humid' conditions you are talking about is not the reason that England lost. That would be called a lame and hilarious excuse. If it was in 40s to 50s (Celsius), I would concure with you. Simple, not all of the English batsmen have the skill sets to play on the challenging spinning tracks of India. They should get in Ian Bell, a complete player, ASAP.

  • ddmumbaiindian on October 17, 2011, 7:28 GMT

    I am kind of loving this guy 5wombats, poor Pom fan seems to be laughing at every comments against England. Come on guys, let poor fan be happy about Eng's scuccess in last series. His so called World Best team who enjoys playing maximum number of ODI world cups at their own back yard is yet to win one. So ofcourse any success against rank 1 team for two years is like christmas. Well just to give some more stats about Eng, the 2005 Ashes was hard fought which Eng managed to win by margins of few runs at times. Aus has never been able to come so close to India in India since very long. India has defeated Eng in Eng in tests in this decade only. Reverse must have happened before two decades i guess. Eng won ashes in Aus sans Matt Hyden and many more gr8s. And still ENG boasts about being best???? Well i must say India is much better at home than Eng atleast. Plz post this comments cricinfo you did it for my dear Pom fan 5wombats when he begged about it,,, luv u 5wombats!!!

  • BestTeaminWold_India on October 16, 2011, 13:11 GMT

    There you Go..Aussies again claiming to the best. Grow up aussies. Aus can not win even at home, ha ha ha. Last year they lost 2-0 to Ind in India and 3-1 to Eng at home. Your time is up now, your team was THE BEST between 1995-2007. BUT now, its either India, SA or England. India is The best and going to rule for next 20 years at least. We have incredible batsmans, exiting young talents like Rohit Sharma, Suresh Raina, Virat Kohli, Cheteshwar Pujara, Unmut Chand, Ajinkhya Rahane, Varun Aaron, Umesh Yadav, Rahul Sharma, and the list goes on and on. Yes what about Suresh Raina, yes he struggled in England in the last series, but he was one of the best player in previous series (WI, AUS...). He is an incredible talent, mark my words, he will finish his career as one of the Greats of the game. Cook struggled against aussies in 2007, Steve waugh was the worst player against short pitch bowling, he finished his career as one of the greats.

  • Full-Blooded-Wallop on October 16, 2011, 12:00 GMT

    @king jayesh- :O dhoni haunting team india? common dude, he lost his first series in england. Dhoni taking credit? then you don't know that he is one captain, who never takes credit for anything...and if you don't have knowledge of cricket,why commenting then? if he hadn't pormoted himself in world cup final story could have been completely different, as we all know how deadly murali could have been against yuvraj and raina! he can't bat outside india?? Mr. he scored the maximum no of runs in the recent one day series in england...from both teams combined....he hasn't proved anything?? Ah! give me a break, i would rather say he has nothing left to prove now, especially in front of sadistic losers like you! give the credit where it is due, but i guess you never can!

  • screamingeagle on October 16, 2011, 11:28 GMT

    lol@wombats and others; quit trying to show up indians as good only at home. It is probably the same for all other nation. yes, england included. I do understand the feeling though; england is no.1 in tests, they played well enough for that. in england and in aus..plus a win here and there. pretty much the same as india, in india, sl and a few good wins in aus and sa and eng. but till a team actually wins regularly .. dont bother with the no.1 status.

  • on October 18, 2011, 12:40 GMT

    India were abysmal in england.. england were pathetic in the 2 odis played so far....end of the story..sick of the excuses the fans r givin here.

  • on October 18, 2011, 9:12 GMT

    why are you peopl earguing about the conditions? if u say the indians do well only on the flat pitches of the subcontinent then all the teams they play against also play on the same belters..and LOSE to india! instead of saying "oh india's plays well only at home iin the subcontinent" sit back an think why the other teams FAIL on flat batting pitches!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 17, 2011, 21:52 GMT

    @5wombats, sorry. I didn't realise. On a serious note, I don't agree with some of the things said by my countrymen, I do feel that England have themselves to blame for getting it wrong from selection (absence of Bell) to application (poor shots) and not having the focus (remember how focused Broad was in the summer?). They need to understand that they are playing in the backyard of a very tough team that was badly wounded in England. It is very important that they get their basics right. Everytime.

  • 5wombats on October 17, 2011, 19:32 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas - couldn't you tell I was joking? I am taking the mickey out of the oh so many excuses I read from india fans during the English Summer. You read them too - you know what I'm talking about.

  • on October 17, 2011, 16:00 GMT

    Its the playing conditions which favor Indians more than a better show. India is always vulnerable on seaming and pacy pitches. They are always better in home conditions. Spinners won the match which they could not do in England because of unfavorable conditions.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 17, 2011, 8:05 GMT

    @5wombats, hot humid conditions led to their collapse? Lol mate! That's some kind of unique excuses I heard of in recent times. Temperature felt like in low to high 80s with a humidity between 40 to 58% and a steady nice breeze between 3 to 8mph (courtesy the weather channel)! And those kind of moderate weather conditions led to the English batsmen falling like a pack of cards? That was hilarious mate! Well, either the English need to condition their bodies properly or you are showing some unique excuses. Well, I'm sure that the English are a very fit bunch (unlike some Indian players) and that the 'hot and humid' conditions you are talking about is not the reason that England lost. That would be called a lame and hilarious excuse. If it was in 40s to 50s (Celsius), I would concure with you. Simple, not all of the English batsmen have the skill sets to play on the challenging spinning tracks of India. They should get in Ian Bell, a complete player, ASAP.

  • ddmumbaiindian on October 17, 2011, 7:28 GMT

    I am kind of loving this guy 5wombats, poor Pom fan seems to be laughing at every comments against England. Come on guys, let poor fan be happy about Eng's scuccess in last series. His so called World Best team who enjoys playing maximum number of ODI world cups at their own back yard is yet to win one. So ofcourse any success against rank 1 team for two years is like christmas. Well just to give some more stats about Eng, the 2005 Ashes was hard fought which Eng managed to win by margins of few runs at times. Aus has never been able to come so close to India in India since very long. India has defeated Eng in Eng in tests in this decade only. Reverse must have happened before two decades i guess. Eng won ashes in Aus sans Matt Hyden and many more gr8s. And still ENG boasts about being best???? Well i must say India is much better at home than Eng atleast. Plz post this comments cricinfo you did it for my dear Pom fan 5wombats when he begged about it,,, luv u 5wombats!!!

  • BestTeaminWold_India on October 16, 2011, 13:11 GMT

    There you Go..Aussies again claiming to the best. Grow up aussies. Aus can not win even at home, ha ha ha. Last year they lost 2-0 to Ind in India and 3-1 to Eng at home. Your time is up now, your team was THE BEST between 1995-2007. BUT now, its either India, SA or England. India is The best and going to rule for next 20 years at least. We have incredible batsmans, exiting young talents like Rohit Sharma, Suresh Raina, Virat Kohli, Cheteshwar Pujara, Unmut Chand, Ajinkhya Rahane, Varun Aaron, Umesh Yadav, Rahul Sharma, and the list goes on and on. Yes what about Suresh Raina, yes he struggled in England in the last series, but he was one of the best player in previous series (WI, AUS...). He is an incredible talent, mark my words, he will finish his career as one of the Greats of the game. Cook struggled against aussies in 2007, Steve waugh was the worst player against short pitch bowling, he finished his career as one of the greats.

  • Full-Blooded-Wallop on October 16, 2011, 12:00 GMT

    @king jayesh- :O dhoni haunting team india? common dude, he lost his first series in england. Dhoni taking credit? then you don't know that he is one captain, who never takes credit for anything...and if you don't have knowledge of cricket,why commenting then? if he hadn't pormoted himself in world cup final story could have been completely different, as we all know how deadly murali could have been against yuvraj and raina! he can't bat outside india?? Mr. he scored the maximum no of runs in the recent one day series in england...from both teams combined....he hasn't proved anything?? Ah! give me a break, i would rather say he has nothing left to prove now, especially in front of sadistic losers like you! give the credit where it is due, but i guess you never can!

  • screamingeagle on October 16, 2011, 11:28 GMT

    lol@wombats and others; quit trying to show up indians as good only at home. It is probably the same for all other nation. yes, england included. I do understand the feeling though; england is no.1 in tests, they played well enough for that. in england and in aus..plus a win here and there. pretty much the same as india, in india, sl and a few good wins in aus and sa and eng. but till a team actually wins regularly .. dont bother with the no.1 status.

  • RandyOZ on October 16, 2011, 11:13 GMT

    As Oz is clearly better than both Eng and India I love seeing them reduce each other to dust and the subsequent banter. @5wombats ur swamped, good effort trying though.

  • on October 16, 2011, 10:22 GMT

    This was one of the few games where India had a chance to complete 50 overs while bowling. These days, it does not matter where a player makes runs as intense study is made before first ball of a series is bowled. Hence, whatever Dhoni has scored, is much deserved. and now undermining his captaincy skills is not gud. India has shown that they still are a team to beat at Home, despite the stalwarts like Sehwag, Sachin, Bhajji & Zahir being absent.

  • 5wombats on October 16, 2011, 8:45 GMT

    @Harish Nanduri; aw, gee mate - thanks for the history lesson. How about this history lesson; 2011 india V England played 12 lost 8 won 1. That's a bit more relevent wouldn't you say. @krici_lover - you talk about excuses! An indian lecturing English about excuses - what a JOKE - and then, you say that England winning in the ODI's in England was a "fluke". You really haven't got the first idea have you.

  • on October 16, 2011, 6:34 GMT

    hii, i just want to add something about Team India performance on foreign soil 1983-Champion-PLACE -LORDS 2007 -T-20 champion-Johansburg. 2011-Champion-Mumbai on diff soils SWING/BOUNCY/SPIN NOW it's Team England records 2010 T-20 Champion -barbados ODI record Match Played- Won- Lost- Tied- NR- Success Rate 65- 33- 30- 0- 2- 50.77%

  • on October 16, 2011, 5:18 GMT

    Mister Dhoni its not the losing streak . its you who has been haunting the indian team. you have lost really good talents . really good bowlers and batsmen. you are a disgrace for the national side. why is it you never perform outside india . an only against a side whos bowling attack is as one dimensional and as toothless as england. i mean england attack outsid england and especially in india . give it to our gully cricketers an they will plunder them like anything. and here you come with your bravado. even in world cup final. all the work had been done by kohli an raina an you just came to do a bravado innings and media shouts captain courageous. i think you are captain scared . you never take a courageous decision. you never look into future. you have a bunch of seniors on whom you are saying i am captain courageous. you havent yet proved anything. i am sorry to say. in a nation with a short memory you maybe a great captain . but youu are still to prove it.

  • henchart on October 16, 2011, 4:07 GMT

    @bigdhonifan: If you find the weather after 6 in the evening as winter in Hyderabad then you dont know what winter is.Indians played better on 14th Oct and won.Period.4 matches remain and let us see how much England can embarass themselves more.

  • NRI- on October 15, 2011, 21:35 GMT

    Three seamers, two spinners, both of whom who can bat, is a perfect combo. Just replace Vinay Kumar with Varun Aaron. Jadeja and Ashwin are doing well with bat & ball so definitely keep Rahul Sharma and Harbhajan out of the series unil it is won 3-0 or 3-1 then we can give them a game or two to prove their form, particularly Bhajji because if he is back then he could be better than Ashwin in tests against Australia. Jadeja should go to Australia as the 2nd spinner because he could bat very well at 7 or 8, even in test cricket, perhaps Ashwin can as well. Even on spinning tracks in Oz, ball only turns in the 2nd innings so it is too big a luxury to take a spinner like Ojha who can't bat whereas Bhajji, Mishra, Jadeja and Ashwin are all competent lower order (no 8) batsmen.

  • on October 15, 2011, 18:51 GMT

    Finally a game of complete 50-overs proved why India is the World Champion.

  • cric_freakNo2 on October 15, 2011, 18:10 GMT

    winning in home conditions doesn't rate a team as better..... it's applicable to both india n england

  • playitstraight on October 15, 2011, 17:11 GMT

    MS and his men did a good job in the last game. Now instead of relaxing, they should focus on the second ODI. Rahane needs to score runs and at a better strike rate, Parthiv needs to convert starts to half-centuries and centuries, Kohli needs to rotate the strike more and Raina, Dhoni & Jadeja need to continue their good batting form. On the bowling, Vinay needs to back himself to take wickets, Praveen needs to continue bowling well, Ashwin and Jadeja need to use their variations to take wickets as usual and lastly, Yadav needs to be on target and even if he doesn't take wickets, he needs to lower his economy rate. If India can do these things, then DEFINITELY INDIA WILL WIN!

  • bigdhonifan on October 15, 2011, 16:48 GMT

    HAHHAAHAAH... I live in Hyderabad city!!! 8th October was more humid and warm!!! here yesterday 11th is better... Dude in Hyderabad its winter is starting now!!! after 6 its pretty good climate!! England cant play spin!!! they dont have world class batman for that!! and England dont have good spinner, Swann is over rates... he proved that in World cup and here also!!!

  • bigdhonifan on October 15, 2011, 16:43 GMT

    @MadKingGeorge England Won with their Key Players Duckworth Luis.... In India they are not playing!!! England is never a #1 team!!! they dont deserve it... I will be happy even Pakistan is #1, but never for England!!! because they play with other countries talents, like Mumbai Indians or Manchester united!!

  • BestTeaminWold_India on October 15, 2011, 16:28 GMT

    Well said ansram!! In your opinion, India is not good traveler abroad, its only Eng, Aus, SA. Let me remind you, India has lost the least number of away matches & series in last ten years. I dont think, you are worthy of even writing a blog on cricinfo, you should first get your facts straight. you are only dancing because England has won an away Ashes series ib Aus 3-1, I think India will go one step better and will win 4-0. This same England side, lost to Australia not so long ago by 5-0, (and you call them good travellers, are they?) Eng have yet to win a test match in India since 1980's, (yes mate since 1980's), so your England can not play neither on bouncy pitches nor or spinning pitches. India defeated England in England in a series in 2007 (so you dont even know this fact, or do you?). India did not loose to SA in SA only last year, and thats remarkable achievement as well. India has only played badly in England this year, whereas Eng has been loosing very badly consistently.

  • Nampally on October 15, 2011, 16:28 GMT

    Yes, it was a brilliant innings from Dhoni backed up by strong fielding & bowling which broke the losing streak of India. Now India has to put up a winning streak in the next 4 ODI's against England followed by the Aussie tour.Unfortunately India was missing one bowler in the Leg spinners of Rahul Sharma. It will be good to see Rahul with his fast bouncy leg breaks in tyhe next ODI. The Dew factor can be relegated to lower level by winning the Toss. England is weak against spin and it must be fully exploited using 3 spinners. India has a a good, keen & talented bunch of youngsters on which the future team could be built. Now they have to keep the intensity for the rest of the series & beyond. I am sure Dhoni's top priority will be to restore the team confidence by winning the series against England.It was demoralizing for India to fare so badly in England albeit due to unfavourable role of weather & injuries.Now the team can move on & even replace injured players easily with good ones

  • on October 15, 2011, 16:05 GMT

    Nobody gives a any attention to this losing streak . The bottom line is England were outplayed by a better team . And will be outplayed in this series

  • MadKingGeorge on October 15, 2011, 16:00 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay, yes, you're quite right, I should have written more clearly that England comprehensively beat Indian in all four Tests..and also beat them in three ODIs. The point being, describing what happened last summer as a fluke is clearly ridiculous. That attitude really doesn't help India, either. Just as when England was thrashed in the 2007 Ashes, they need to face the reality of what happened to get better, not just keep trotting out the excuses. And I agree with you about the scheduling. I wonder what the point of this series is at all. No one in England even really cares about ODIs very much, it's the wrong time of year, there are no Tests being played, and the two sides have been playing each other for months. Seems like a waste of time.

  • S.N.Singh on October 15, 2011, 15:36 GMT

    I ALAWYS WRITTEN FOR DHONI TO BAT EARLIER IN THE ODI AND 20/20. DHONI STYLE OF BATTING IS VERY HARD FOR BOWLERS TO READ. HE WAITS FOR THE BALL AND HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO KNOW WHICH TO HIT AT. THIS GIVES HIM MORE TIME TO SCORE ANY WHEREAROUND THE WICKET. i HAVE A STRONG FEELINGS THAT HE WILL BE A GREAT BATSMAN BY SCORING A LOT OF RUNS. HIS ABILITY IN PLAYING THE BALL IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ORTHODOX STYLISH BATSMEN. I ALWAYS SAID BEFORE TO INDIA ,HE SHOULD BAT EARLIER IN ALL CRICKET. HE AT ALL TIMES BAT UNDER PRESURE. S.N.SINGH U.S.A.

  • Cric_info_pak on October 15, 2011, 15:24 GMT

    Pakistan is best they don't play at home any more but still win... india n england is average side only win in home conditions

  • on October 15, 2011, 15:20 GMT

    @Sabih Bin Riaz Siddiqui: Forget India. Think about the losing streak of Pakistan. Oh, I forgot that is generally fixed before the start of a series ;)

  • on October 15, 2011, 14:58 GMT

    India would have won the ODI series in England if RAIN didn't come into play.

  • maddy20 on October 15, 2011, 13:56 GMT

    @5Wombats The onedayers were closely contested in England but unless the English learn how to sty at the wicket for a while and expect the odd ball keeping low they will continue to falter like they did yesterday. This series will be 4-1 or 5-0 in favor of India. As for tests we will see about how good the Poms are when they visit next year for tests. There is also a tour of SA for England this year and if they win that and in India I would have no hesitation in accepting that the English are the no.1 test team. Till then they are just a good team that is strong at home like some other leading test playing nations!

  • itsthewayuplay on October 15, 2011, 13:13 GMT

    @MadKingGeorge whilst for various reasons Ind were no match in the tests including Eng were without doubt better team, I cannot agree that Ind were comprehensively beaten in ODIs. They did at least give Eng something to think about and there's no doubt that the rain significantly affected the results of most if not all the games aside from poor Ind bowling. The record won't show that and is now irrelevant as both teams have to move on for different reasons. What is unfortunate in this series is the dew factor because guessing the conditions and the toss correctly could give a matchwinning advantage to a team. This has a twofold effect: 1. It renders games meaningless as a contest 2 Neither team will be able to draw proper conclusions from their performances. Scheduling has been one of the many issues that the coach will have to raise with the BCCI. Another conundrum Ind face is that Dhoni needs a break but without him India would have continued their losing streak in yesterday's match.

  • CrickFan82 on October 15, 2011, 11:50 GMT

    I want to see slow spin pitches in atleast 4 ODIs plssss.. thats our strength and nothing wrong in playing to your strength. Some overseas teams and commentators do ask for greener pitches in India, but thats an option which the home team should decide upon, which is the norm always. I have seen some green pitches in Mohali but wish that England be tested in slow spin pitches, which will really test the players. When you travel to England, expect the ball to swing, in oz the ball will bounce as in SA, in the subcontinent its gotta spin buddy.

  • CrickFan82 on October 15, 2011, 11:35 GMT

    @5WOMBATS; Yes India were convincingly beaten by England in tests, I don't deny that. But in the ODI series which followed subsequently, not a single match there was such a huge margin of victory by england against India, infact mostly rain did favour the host to be honest. And yeah, to remind you about some stats, England lost to Ireland and Bangladesh in India quite recently. India did level the test series the SA, and lost the ODI but was not one sided by any means. My point is that England team is by far the best in 15 years of cricket that i have watched easily but still, they are no way an invincible team that the English fans, ian botham, nasser and the press proclaim them to be. As Ganguly pointed out, I couldnt find many of the English batsmen hitting with the turn to a spinner. And yeah Indians have a problem with the short ball too. :). cheers mate.

  • on October 15, 2011, 11:21 GMT

    hey 5wombats dont forget 2007 england were thrashed by india and the reason india lost da series coz de played cricket non stop for 2 years while england had lot of free time. if indians played after having some rest the result wouldve been opposite

  • on October 15, 2011, 11:20 GMT

    it was funny batting by the english batters..5-0..it wld be..gud tu see english fans defending their team''s horror show..

  • Quazar on October 15, 2011, 10:52 GMT

    England have earned their #1 rating in Tests, but in ODIs they are a work-in-progress. Those belittling India's ODI record over the years haven't done sufficient homework. India have won a WC and a World T20 away from home, and were joint winners of a Champions Trophy away from home; we also finished 2nd in the 2003 WC in SA. In 2008, we beat Aus & SL in Oz in the CB tri-series; we won 4-1 in NZ the next year, won the Asia Cup in SL in 2010, beat the WI in WI the last 2 times we toured; we did lose 2-3 in SA early this year, but it was a very competitive series even though 3-4 top players were injured or being rested for the WC (Tendulkar, Sehwag, etc.). Yes, we lost in Zim last year and in England recently, but we were grooming 9-10 youngsters in both series so it wasn't all bad. In fact, the ODI series in England was very competitive despite ending 3-0 and adverse effect of rain on each game. Fact is if we manage player workload half-decently, we are a tough side anywhere.

  • ansram on October 15, 2011, 10:52 GMT

    Well done India. But even a 5-0 win is not going to erase the memory of the test defeats in England. India as usual is good at home, but they rarely do well abroad. When they loose abroad it is by huge margins and when they win it is by narrow margins. England showed their prowess by beating Australia 3-1 away and three of them were innings victories. I have never seen India do that - routing top oppositions in away conditions. That should have warned India about a stiff English tour but India came there without good preparation and were routed. Even county sides were better against India. India needs to register convincing away test series wins against top teams (Aus,Eng,SA) before the memory of this defeat is erased. No amount of ODI wins will do.

  • krici_lover on October 15, 2011, 10:19 GMT

    @5wombats, If no one cares what happened in 2007 then no one cares what happened in summer of 2011. In 2011 only worth remembering event happened is the WC in which India defeated Aus, pak, SL in quarter, semi and final respectively. Whereas England lost to Bangla and Ireland ... And ofcoruse every opinion is one-eyed. If you defeated SA in SA then India won last triangular series in Aus where you last 6-1.

  • candyfloss on October 15, 2011, 10:14 GMT

    So england gets thrashed and english fan 5wombats instead of gracefully accepting is digging out some old news.And to be more factually correct england lost to Bangladesh and Ireland not too long ago and were handed a 6-1 whipping by Australia.Anyway long way to go in this series england can still bounce back.

  • krici_lover on October 15, 2011, 10:13 GMT

    Just few facts for my English fans - 2011 in Eng Result Eng(3)-Ind(0)Tied (1) All matches truncated, 2008 in Ind Result Ind(5)-Eng(0) No match truncated, 2007 In Eng Result Eng(4)-Ind(3) Few matches truncated, 2006 in Ind Result Ind(5)-Eng(1) no Matches truncated, 2004 in Eng Result Eng(2)-Ind(1), 2002 in Eng Result Nawest Series India Winner. Above results speak itself about the nature of India England contests played in India and England. Barring last rain truncated series - all sereis played in India have been one sided while those in England have been close or almost even. Atleast in last 5-6 years India had an exceptional record at home and has had average record overseas. while England have won closely contested series at home and has been a pathetic traveller.

  • krici_lover on October 15, 2011, 9:52 GMT

    "you know nothing about cricket". I think you need to brush up your cricket knowledge and judgemental skills. If anyone has watched the ODI series last ODI series and has wisdom of analyzing the impact of rain and wet bowl would never say the India was beaten convincingly. Only thing that justifies Convincing victory is India crushing England 5-0 in last series played in India without rain support and huge margins.

  • krici_lover on October 15, 2011, 9:45 GMT

    @5wombats, LOL, I was expecting such excuses from english Fans - Humidity, heat, dust etc... there is nothing new about. They always come with similar excuses whenever they loose in subcontinent. Indians never said that cold weather led to Indian defeat in India. In tests england is a very good side (particularly in seaming conditions) but ofcourse ODI victory was a fluke because not match was played under same conditions for both teams. every match was truncated by rain to the advantage to team batting second. Ball got wet and became completely unusable for Indian spinners. @muhammadumar, I agree England will not lose in ODI the way India did. Because India will defeat England without support of rain gods, D/L and eased batting condition with wet and heavy ball post rain.

  • on October 15, 2011, 9:30 GMT

    It was a relieving win for India. Not exactly redemption for the Test Series Anhillation. Not even 5-0 in these ODIs could do that. But still. Encouraging start. MSD should play higher up. He is really a great ODI player.

  • nikkam on October 15, 2011, 9:25 GMT

    it can be said to be a good start....clearly india played a waiting game up to 35 overs and accelerated from there....the lack of power hitters in england team could hamper their chances of a win...only hope for england is their bowlers getting helpful conditions...india batting is way too strong this time...

  • 5wombats on October 15, 2011, 8:28 GMT

    @CricFan108; let's re-phrase and correct some of the glaring errors shall we; "Our excuse for getting crushed in England was that it wasn't our "A" team. In England india showed their lack of focus and were lethargic in the field. Truth is everyone is good in their own backyard. Particularly india. England recently beat South Africa in the ODI series in South Africa - so they have showed they can win away from home. But india have a long way to go away from home, as their recent defeats in ODI's in South Africa and in Zimbabwe against Zimbabwe showed". There, that's better and factually correct too. @Abhijit Das - the only thing that is "truncated" here is your opinion, which is one-eyed. Nobody cares what happened in 2007 and 2015 hasn't happened yet, so your comment is ridiculous.

  • on October 15, 2011, 8:18 GMT

    Have a look at the last 3 test series that India played in England..India won 2 of them..lost just one..Also lets just go back to the time when England were in India last time..Results are for all(English fans) to see..

  • on October 15, 2011, 8:16 GMT

    Have a look at the last 3 test series that India played in England..India won 2 of them..lost just one..Also lets just go back to the time when England were in India last time..Results are for all(ENGLISH FANS) to see..

  • vinayespn on October 15, 2011, 8:16 GMT

    Dhoni's innings was a well paced one.. he shows lot of maturity while playing in Indian conditions.. 250 seemed like a far cry at 35th over but the way he , Raina and Jadeja batted in the last 10 goes to show that they believe in their ability to clear boundaries at will.. still early days in the series, but a good start has certainly put India in favorites position.. his prematch statement about not missing the star Indian players in this series was proved in a good manner.. One wouldn't need a sledge hammer for the job which can be done using fingernails..

  • on October 15, 2011, 7:57 GMT

    england bowling prowess were exposed in england odi n without broad n anderson it's gonna hard for england.

  • on October 15, 2011, 7:56 GMT

    Very very very well done..... I want to see 5-0 Dhoni.... Still I would definitely go for Harbhajan/Ohja/Rahul Sharma instead of Vinay Kumar....

  • on October 15, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    Watching England field yesterday, I wonder if there was a role reversal. What happened to KP, did he even want to play? As far as India's losing streak in England is concerned, i believe it was just bad luck for the players and of course some poor planning by BCCI.

  • on October 15, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    @England fans : We know you're Test team is very balanced and multidimensional but you guys have to prove ur mettle in sub-continent pitches also. Indian team defended the no.1 status for 2 years along playing in home and abroad. So saving your #1 is more uphill than achieving that. And on ODI please everyone remembers how England was thrashed by SL (10 wkts !!!) and also you guys never won WC or Champions Trophy where as we won WC both in Eng and India. So in ODI dont crib that Anderson or Broad would have made difference as we can go about Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvi, Zaheer etc. So remembering a fact that England are yet to defeat India in untruncated / indecisive ODI since 2007, this English ODI squad have really a long way to go to achieve WC in 2015 in Down Under. Anyway expecting a better game from England so that interesting matches follow up this mismatch !! Cheers :)

  • whuzzwhuzz on October 15, 2011, 7:22 GMT

    @5wombats... Can you explain how the weather changed drastically from weather in the same city on 8 and 11th Oct? england played on the same pitch against local team Hyderabad XI and won both but failed miserably in yesterday's match. India would have won few games over there in England but you should thanks to the weather there from which england were benefited.

  • on October 15, 2011, 7:18 GMT

    well india played well..............but indian supporters are getting too much carried away..that india will crush england...its just one game..offcourse after having played at home for a long time its going to be difficult to adapt to the subcontinent conditions....but you cant completely write off the england team..hopefully they will perform better next time but even if they lose they are not going to lose the way india did...

  • Rajesh.Kumar on October 15, 2011, 7:14 GMT

    If continuous losses take enjoyment out of cricket (as per MSD), then I wonder why do Bangladesh and Zimbabwe keep playing cricket?

  • Haleos on October 15, 2011, 6:58 GMT

    @hindh88 - well said. In fact the current team is India B similar to the one that played in England. Truth is everyone is good in their own backyard so when england did well in england it was not surprising. Yesterday it showed their lack of focus in ODIs. Kevin petersen was the best example. barring one good catch he was lethargic in the field.

  • 5wombats on October 15, 2011, 6:30 GMT

    LOL @hindh88; "It was no fluke that Eng won their matches against india in summer. Englands superiority was a combination of a lot of factors. Here it was proved that hot humid conditions caused Eng to collapse in heaps. Even Somerset and Northants teams performed way better vs ind in England". There, that's better.

  • on October 15, 2011, 6:25 GMT

    The losing streak would have been even longer had India played more away games.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on October 15, 2011, 6:18 GMT

    With England the clear better test team and as the facts show the current better ODI team (any Indian fans see what happened this summer!) it's good that India at last won a victory of sorts. They've still got a long way to go, and there are some pretty funny comments on this forum, but from an English point of view, England fans will take being better than India any day. And after this year, who (apart from a tiny minority of confused youngsters on here!) who could deny it?

  • MadKingGeorge on October 15, 2011, 6:16 GMT

    "It was a kind of fluke that Eng won their matches against india in summer" England comprehensively beat India in all four test matches, and then in three ODIs. If you think that was a fluke, you know nothing about cricket.

  • Hindh on October 15, 2011, 5:52 GMT

    England's Much Overhyped bowling line up was taken to cleaners by MS Dhoni's helicopter shots. Way to go India............

  • Santhosh-indian on October 15, 2011, 5:50 GMT

    Many say that Indian pitches are slow and uneven bounce but there is not only seamers in a cricket match the main role in Indian pitches is given to spinners. Frankly speaking they are also a part of the bowling team. Any team deserves to win only if they play spin well. And that is what happened to India yesterday:)

  • Hindh on October 15, 2011, 5:50 GMT

    It was a kind of fluke that Eng won their matches against india in summer. It was a combination of a lot of factors that did India in that tour. Here it was proved that a bit of a slow turner of a pitch and Eng collapsed in heaps. Even depleted india A team performed way better vs eng in ODI's there.

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  • Hindh on October 15, 2011, 5:50 GMT

    It was a kind of fluke that Eng won their matches against india in summer. It was a combination of a lot of factors that did India in that tour. Here it was proved that a bit of a slow turner of a pitch and Eng collapsed in heaps. Even depleted india A team performed way better vs eng in ODI's there.

  • Santhosh-indian on October 15, 2011, 5:50 GMT

    Many say that Indian pitches are slow and uneven bounce but there is not only seamers in a cricket match the main role in Indian pitches is given to spinners. Frankly speaking they are also a part of the bowling team. Any team deserves to win only if they play spin well. And that is what happened to India yesterday:)

  • Hindh on October 15, 2011, 5:52 GMT

    England's Much Overhyped bowling line up was taken to cleaners by MS Dhoni's helicopter shots. Way to go India............

  • MadKingGeorge on October 15, 2011, 6:16 GMT

    "It was a kind of fluke that Eng won their matches against india in summer" England comprehensively beat India in all four test matches, and then in three ODIs. If you think that was a fluke, you know nothing about cricket.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on October 15, 2011, 6:18 GMT

    With England the clear better test team and as the facts show the current better ODI team (any Indian fans see what happened this summer!) it's good that India at last won a victory of sorts. They've still got a long way to go, and there are some pretty funny comments on this forum, but from an English point of view, England fans will take being better than India any day. And after this year, who (apart from a tiny minority of confused youngsters on here!) who could deny it?

  • on October 15, 2011, 6:25 GMT

    The losing streak would have been even longer had India played more away games.

  • 5wombats on October 15, 2011, 6:30 GMT

    LOL @hindh88; "It was no fluke that Eng won their matches against india in summer. Englands superiority was a combination of a lot of factors. Here it was proved that hot humid conditions caused Eng to collapse in heaps. Even Somerset and Northants teams performed way better vs ind in England". There, that's better.

  • Haleos on October 15, 2011, 6:58 GMT

    @hindh88 - well said. In fact the current team is India B similar to the one that played in England. Truth is everyone is good in their own backyard so when england did well in england it was not surprising. Yesterday it showed their lack of focus in ODIs. Kevin petersen was the best example. barring one good catch he was lethargic in the field.

  • Rajesh.Kumar on October 15, 2011, 7:14 GMT

    If continuous losses take enjoyment out of cricket (as per MSD), then I wonder why do Bangladesh and Zimbabwe keep playing cricket?

  • on October 15, 2011, 7:18 GMT

    well india played well..............but indian supporters are getting too much carried away..that india will crush england...its just one game..offcourse after having played at home for a long time its going to be difficult to adapt to the subcontinent conditions....but you cant completely write off the england team..hopefully they will perform better next time but even if they lose they are not going to lose the way india did...