India v West Indies, 1st Test, Kolkata, 3rd day November 8, 2013

'We were beaten on the mental side' - Sammy

N Hunter in Kolkata
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Darren Sammy, the West Indies captain, has said his team was beaten by India in the Kolkata Test because they lost the mental battle to their opponents. Sammy said there was plenty his team could learn from India, especially from the debutant pair of Rohit Sharma and Mohammed Shami, the match-winners for India.

"We were beaten on the mental side of the game because man-for-man we could play much, much better than we did today," Sammy said at the post-match press briefing.

Sammy also said the defeat highlighted the brittleness of West Indies' batting. "It is more mental. It is not technical," he said. "It is about us being mentally strong enough that when things are not going our way, we have to graft. We had India 80-something for 6 (83 for 5), but Ashwin and Rohit, playing his first game, they grafted. They weathered the storm and they expressed themselves when they were in."

Sammy pointed to how Rohit constructed his innings as something his team could learn from. "I remember Rohit when he was on 78 when he went down the wicket for the first time and hit our champion spinner for a six. This shows a lot of application, keeping the ball along the ground, not giving the opposition a sniff. That is why it is Test cricket - being patient and batting it out for your team."

Funnily enough, on the eve of the Test, Sammy had said that he was counting on the India batsmen, who had played a lot of ODI cricket in the last months, to have lesser patience. Instead it was the West Indies' batsmen's impatience that was exposed in both innings.

Just three days ago Sammy had sounded motivated and confident about the same batting group which includes Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Chris Gayle and Marlon Samuels. Their experience, Sammy had pointed out, would help West Indies match India's rich batting vault.

In the end West Indies lasted a total of 132.1 overs in the match, and only one of their batsmen made a half-century. Their highest partnership was 91 between Samuels and Darren Bravo in the first innings.

Both their openers Kieran Powell and Gayle got starts but got sucked into playing the wrong shot against the first bouncer they faced. Bravo once again flattered to deceive and his ability to last against strong teams remains in doubt. Chanderpaul, the biggest threat for India, never looked commanding. Only Samuels could count himself unlucky for being bowled in the first innings by Shami with one of the best deliveries in the match and then ruled out leg-before due to a dubious decision.

"You can't point out one person," Sammy responded to query that suggested whether Gayle's irresponsible stroke was the turning point today. "As a batting group we have not batted well at all. A lot of rash shots were played, irresponsible shots. It started with me as captain especially in the first innings. But it is something each individual has to pick up on their selves, be responsible for the runs for the team. As a group we did not do that in any of the innings."

The key for Sammy remained application, and the ability to concentrate for long stretches, much like Rohit and R Ashwin had done in their match-changing 280-run partnership. "One of our goals is to bat at least 130 overs in the first innings. In the first innings we batted 70 (78) and this one probably 56 thereabouts. So we are not occupying the crease and Test cricket is about being patient. We saw how Rohit in the first innings occupied the crease and so did Ashwin. We as a batting group should take a lesson from the way those two batted. We had our main spinner bowling for most of the innings and they just played ball by ball and they just batted us out of the game. That one partnership."

The waywardness of West Indies bowlers, barring Shane Shillingford, allowed Rohit and Ashwin to first settle down, then consolidate and finally score freely. Tino Best can be a big threat with his pace, but he remained more expressive with his mouth than with the ball in hand. Sheldon Cottrell, making his debut, did nothing more than pitch on lengths that the pair could either leave easily or take easy runs. Then there was the pair of Sammy and left-arm specialist spinner Veerasammy Permaul, which was supposed to be more disciplined in their lines and lengths in order to help Shillingford build the pressure.

"I am disappointed in the way I and Permaul bowled," Sammy conceded. "We played two spinners to get wickets for us. We know fast bowlers tend to struggle in India. At one point of view we just needed one of me or Permaul to support Shillingford like [Pragyan] Ojha did for Ashwin in the first innings. Keep one end tight while Ashwin attacked (from the other end). And I thought myself especially and Permaul did not apply the pressure when Shillingford was in a good spell. He ended up bowling 50 overs in the match."

It was West Indies' first Test defeat within three days in four years with the last one coming under Gayle against Australia in Brisbane in 2009. Sammy might have imagined West Indies had actually risen from those depths, but reality is they keep slipping back to similar levels.

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  • Fan1969 on November 8, 2013, 17:10 GMT

    Most fans are correctly disappointed that Shami was not given MoM.

    LET ALL READERS UNDERSTAND WHAT SHAMI ACHIEVED. Future adjudicators of MOMs must read.

    To illustrate my point did some research. In the history of 243 TEST matches played in India ONLY 20 occasions exist when a pace bowler took 9 or more wickets (13 by foreigners and 7 times by Indians)

    Three by Kapil Dev (in 65 Home Tests), twice by Srinath (32), once by Balaji (5 tests) and NONE by Zaheer (38 tests), Ishant (22 tests) and now SHAMI (DEBUT)

    In 243 tests 197 centuries by foreigners and 248 by Indians. Total of 445 centuries but 20 occasions for a pacer getting 9 or more wickets.

    Most commentators are batsmen and they adjudicate MoM. They ignore bowlers and then keep commentating why India does not produce good pace bowlers. We produce flat batting tracks, make 300+ runs in ODIs and then give MoM to batsmen.

    Great WI team of 1980s and Aussies in 90s-2000s won because of bowlers who got 20 wickets, else a draw!!

  • legendscricket on November 13, 2013, 10:10 GMT

    So Chris is looking forward to playing his T20BALL BALL; Fine , let him go.We all know that Chris is on his way;But does it have to be RUBBED IN OUR FACES when we were just [lets use an old term] TWO to ONE? WOULD AUSTRALIA, ENGLAND,INDIA OR ANY PROUD CRICKETING NATION TOLERATE THIS INSOLENCE? Indifference captaincy from Sammy,poor batting from Bravo,Gayle & poor cricket from Denish Ramdin. Marlon Samuels,Powell, Shillingford & Chanderpaul, these are the players that bought their game to the game. Stop comparing Bravo to Lara, Greatness is carve out of failures;I am willing to see Bravo continue only if he brings his A game to the field.Darren you can do much better--your focus is poor,your running is tepid at best, you need to bring the energy.Take note how angry Marlon is when he gets dismiss.Chris will never move his feet to the ball-Nothing else to say--OH YES! FIND A PLACE IN THE TEAM FOR Kirk Edwards & SIMMONS.PLAY Santokie, he is a good seamer who can bowl line/length.

  • on November 13, 2013, 5:00 GMT

    SAGARNEEL, there is a plan in place by the "directors" of cricket to make WI play as little TEST as possible . The plan is in place to make sure that WI never return to the TOP in TEST for another 100 years . WI are still as "CALYPSO CRICKETERS" and cannot last more than 2 days in the middle .

  • on November 12, 2013, 22:15 GMT

    Yes Chanderpaul should bat N° 3

  • AceB on November 12, 2013, 9:08 GMT

    We were not only beaten on the mental side , we were beaten on the backside as well ..Mr Sammy .

  • ChrisKit on November 11, 2013, 16:57 GMT

    If it could be done at this stage of the tour, Darren Sammy should be dropped and Shivnarine Chanderpaul appointed captain. WI should add another spinner. Did Sunil Narine travel with the team?

  • DocBindra on November 11, 2013, 10:43 GMT

    Its hard for any outfit with only 10 competent players to beat an opposition with the full complement of 11 players. I don't remember the last time a captain that was as inept as Sammy. What is this guy doing as an international captain? He is a joke of a bowler and certainly can't bat. There are 5 other guys more capable than him on the team and yet WI keeps persisting with him. He brings absolutely nothing to the table nor does his decision making as a captain. I think Andre Russell would be better than him any day. Narine should have played instead of Permaul. ...Sammy, instead of looking for excuses, its time to look for solutions and time to exit stage right.

  • on November 11, 2013, 4:42 GMT

    I hate to say it, but W. Indies doesn't have the personnel to compete against top teams in the test arena. They have one of the best T-20 squad, and can be more than handful in ODI's, but in Test cricket they are just awful; they been such for almost half a decade now. The question is, what has the WICB doing all these years? I can understand an era of struggle for every country. SA went through one, Australia are going through one, and pakistan. But atleast Pakistan has that aura of unpredictability.

  • on November 11, 2013, 0:42 GMT

    We expect better fighting spirit from the tourists in the next test match. They have good opportunity to at least secure a draw and spoil the Indian party. Looking at the batting lineup they are not too bad, bowling can be strengthened by adding Narine. All above that is about applying themselves and showing some character.

  • on November 10, 2013, 6:25 GMT

    GAyle should only play ipl , he is good in thT nly , smashing domestic bowlers ...

  • Fan1969 on November 8, 2013, 17:10 GMT

    Most fans are correctly disappointed that Shami was not given MoM.

    LET ALL READERS UNDERSTAND WHAT SHAMI ACHIEVED. Future adjudicators of MOMs must read.

    To illustrate my point did some research. In the history of 243 TEST matches played in India ONLY 20 occasions exist when a pace bowler took 9 or more wickets (13 by foreigners and 7 times by Indians)

    Three by Kapil Dev (in 65 Home Tests), twice by Srinath (32), once by Balaji (5 tests) and NONE by Zaheer (38 tests), Ishant (22 tests) and now SHAMI (DEBUT)

    In 243 tests 197 centuries by foreigners and 248 by Indians. Total of 445 centuries but 20 occasions for a pacer getting 9 or more wickets.

    Most commentators are batsmen and they adjudicate MoM. They ignore bowlers and then keep commentating why India does not produce good pace bowlers. We produce flat batting tracks, make 300+ runs in ODIs and then give MoM to batsmen.

    Great WI team of 1980s and Aussies in 90s-2000s won because of bowlers who got 20 wickets, else a draw!!

  • legendscricket on November 13, 2013, 10:10 GMT

    So Chris is looking forward to playing his T20BALL BALL; Fine , let him go.We all know that Chris is on his way;But does it have to be RUBBED IN OUR FACES when we were just [lets use an old term] TWO to ONE? WOULD AUSTRALIA, ENGLAND,INDIA OR ANY PROUD CRICKETING NATION TOLERATE THIS INSOLENCE? Indifference captaincy from Sammy,poor batting from Bravo,Gayle & poor cricket from Denish Ramdin. Marlon Samuels,Powell, Shillingford & Chanderpaul, these are the players that bought their game to the game. Stop comparing Bravo to Lara, Greatness is carve out of failures;I am willing to see Bravo continue only if he brings his A game to the field.Darren you can do much better--your focus is poor,your running is tepid at best, you need to bring the energy.Take note how angry Marlon is when he gets dismiss.Chris will never move his feet to the ball-Nothing else to say--OH YES! FIND A PLACE IN THE TEAM FOR Kirk Edwards & SIMMONS.PLAY Santokie, he is a good seamer who can bowl line/length.

  • on November 13, 2013, 5:00 GMT

    SAGARNEEL, there is a plan in place by the "directors" of cricket to make WI play as little TEST as possible . The plan is in place to make sure that WI never return to the TOP in TEST for another 100 years . WI are still as "CALYPSO CRICKETERS" and cannot last more than 2 days in the middle .

  • on November 12, 2013, 22:15 GMT

    Yes Chanderpaul should bat N° 3

  • AceB on November 12, 2013, 9:08 GMT

    We were not only beaten on the mental side , we were beaten on the backside as well ..Mr Sammy .

  • ChrisKit on November 11, 2013, 16:57 GMT

    If it could be done at this stage of the tour, Darren Sammy should be dropped and Shivnarine Chanderpaul appointed captain. WI should add another spinner. Did Sunil Narine travel with the team?

  • DocBindra on November 11, 2013, 10:43 GMT

    Its hard for any outfit with only 10 competent players to beat an opposition with the full complement of 11 players. I don't remember the last time a captain that was as inept as Sammy. What is this guy doing as an international captain? He is a joke of a bowler and certainly can't bat. There are 5 other guys more capable than him on the team and yet WI keeps persisting with him. He brings absolutely nothing to the table nor does his decision making as a captain. I think Andre Russell would be better than him any day. Narine should have played instead of Permaul. ...Sammy, instead of looking for excuses, its time to look for solutions and time to exit stage right.

  • on November 11, 2013, 4:42 GMT

    I hate to say it, but W. Indies doesn't have the personnel to compete against top teams in the test arena. They have one of the best T-20 squad, and can be more than handful in ODI's, but in Test cricket they are just awful; they been such for almost half a decade now. The question is, what has the WICB doing all these years? I can understand an era of struggle for every country. SA went through one, Australia are going through one, and pakistan. But atleast Pakistan has that aura of unpredictability.

  • on November 11, 2013, 0:42 GMT

    We expect better fighting spirit from the tourists in the next test match. They have good opportunity to at least secure a draw and spoil the Indian party. Looking at the batting lineup they are not too bad, bowling can be strengthened by adding Narine. All above that is about applying themselves and showing some character.

  • on November 10, 2013, 6:25 GMT

    GAyle should only play ipl , he is good in thT nly , smashing domestic bowlers ...

  • on November 10, 2013, 6:09 GMT

    This test was simply an embarrassment, and there should be no excuses. The entire team played badly. Yes, they were a bit rusty, but regardless, noone played with any real conviction. Against a top team like India, West Indies need to play their 11 top guys. Having Sammy and Permaul in the side weakened the bowling, the batting and the captaincy. Why not go for total spin, with Narine and Shillingford, if that's what's on offer for West Indies right now. Pretending that we have fast bowlers to match the big guys of the past is ridiculous! Best is just a shadow of the West Indies fast bowlers of old. Go with your strengths. Right now its spin. As for batsmen, I have to say that Gayle fails more these days than he succeeds, so he needs to be moved down the order. Shiv Chanderpaul is always put too low in the order and given an impossible task of reviving a lost cause, which honestly isn't fair to Shiv. Move him up so he can do his thing. Bravo I think is overrated and should go.

  • on November 10, 2013, 2:44 GMT

    No excuse for such a poor performance. The selectors need to take our cricket seriously. My team showed no fight so changes must be made.

  • on November 10, 2013, 1:17 GMT

    Open with Powell n Bravo. Marlon & shiv should move up the order to 3 & 4, Gayle move down to 5. Deonarine @ 6, Walton @ 7, then the tail of Shillingford, Best . Cotterel and Gabriel

  • AKS286 on November 9, 2013, 17:58 GMT

    I agree with the the great gentleman's statement Rahul Dravid. Shivy must bats at no.3/4. There is no mean to bat with tailenders. Now, about Sunil, Shillingford is the best spinner of WI in Test No doubt. And WI will add 2 spinners in their squad, So, my question is Permaul is better than Sunil ?or WI wants to hide him for expose against Indians FOR IPL. Because Mendis is the example he made his impactful career against Indians & also Indians destroys his career.

  • on November 9, 2013, 17:16 GMT

    Here's the new excuse..we lost out on mental toughness. Question who is responsible for that.I would guess the coach and captain. The coach is finding out that he cannot put humpty dumpty back together again. His first act as head coach was to break down what he met and we have stayed broken ever since. The coach and captain are remnants of the old guard and must go. The new management team must make the necessary steps to take West Indies cricket out of the dumps. There cant be any doubts that there is enough talents languishing in the Caribbean being stymied by Sammy and co. Sammy's revelence is long gone and so is the coach. Look at any stat of Sammy and compare it to any other captain both present and past then draw your conclusions. Other changes must be made.Gayle ,Ramdin Best, Permaul has no positive role, Sammy is depriving the team of another bat and bowler. What do we have to look forward to in the next test? New excuses.

  • on November 9, 2013, 16:56 GMT

    The truth is Windies should not have lost a Test series since our last tour of South Africa back in 07/08. We have repeatedly gotten ourselves into winning positions and either ended up losing or drawing matches or lost matches we should have drawn. The reasons for this are many ranging from player strikes and player-coach stand offs to poor selection, poor umpiring, injuries, rain, dropped catches , poor captaincy, batting collapses. we even drew a test @ Antigua vs Australia that we should have won but due to poor field drainage precious time was lost even though the rain stopped & the sun was shining. With all of this happening i am seriously getting fed up of windies cricket. There is no way we can beat the stronger Test teams if we continue to field a side with 10 players and a cheerleader who takes a few catches but drops the really crucial ones like Dravid @ Sabina park & Taufeeq Umar @ Warner Park both of whom went on to score centuries & cost us 2 series wins in 2011.

  • wirus on November 9, 2013, 16:40 GMT

    In a perverse sort of way Sammy is right about the mental advantage that India has over them. The main difference between the sides at this time is that India oozes confidence (like WI teams of old) whereas WI now reek of fear, uncertainty and insecurity. Defeat does that to a team but the underlying problem is poor selection and a lack of intelligent captaincy. Remember that a good captain is not just a cheerleader but a tactician and a leader of men. Watch Dhoni and see what I mean. He reads the game situation and acts immediately and more often than not it works. Maybe there is a Dhoni hidden somewhere among the potential WI captains but we won't know until Sammy is allowed to retire with our thanks. It is no coincidence that the WI A team performed creditably against India A. There was different captaincy and players and a distinct lack of those now common WI trademarks: FEAR and CONFUSION. There is hope but not until big decisions are made to pick inform players led intelligently.

  • aclarity on November 9, 2013, 16:25 GMT

    The comments on this article reaffirms my feeling that this defeat is at the feet of President Dave. He is decisive as spaghetti in hot water. Why did he not fire the fumbling, bumbling, tumbling selectors and the coach? Is he one of the boyz? A week in Miami and one less week in India for preparation was great mentally. The fact is we pick based on name and experience rather than on production and performance. Sammy is useless in test cricket; Ramdhin cannot bat; Gayle is hopelessly unreliable and Permal has always been pushed without discernible talent. Brathwaite, Walton, Edwards and Narine should be on this squad. By the way, this is Cottrell 1st test - give the young man a chance to develop!

  • on November 9, 2013, 16:18 GMT

    I agree with alot of what Arrow01 has commented, it's easy to target Sammy as the problem because of the on-going debate about his place in the team. There's alot of valid points and ideally he should remain the Cappo of the ODI and T20 side, but until we have someone to replace him, that remains to be seen. Powell has shown promise but is still too inexperienced, Edwards had a horrible 2012 and would like to see him show some improvement before being considered and Samuels has been our best batsman in all forms since he came back from his ban, but i do question his temperament as a person. His sparring session with Warne in the Big Bash last year suggests that he still has a short fuse. The team as a whole batted horribly in the first test match, they showed no application to occupy the crease at all, they were technically flawed to deal with the skiddy reverse-swing of Shami and none of the bowlers supported Shillingford, when he had that great spell. And Ramdin batting at six..Gulp!

  • on November 9, 2013, 16:09 GMT

    Sammy did a good job in holding a disintegrating team together in the past. But against top teams like India, he is a liability. If he can be counted as a front line bowler, WI can play an extra batsman with Sammy batting at No. 8. Samulels can play the role of second spinner which he has performed well in the past, just like Sanath Jayasuriya did for Murali in SL test team. Since Sammy's bowling cannot be relied upon WI will have to play 4 bowlers with Sammy batting at No.7. That is a very weak batting lineup considering that Ramadin at No. 6 is highly unreliable. For the second text there is no alternative other than to play an extra batsman.

  • on November 9, 2013, 15:50 GMT

    Rohit deserved the Mom, but I am dissapointed they did not give it to Shami. If it was not for Shami, India could have been chasing a higher target than already set by the West Indies. Sammy is captaining a young team and Shillingford has been doing very well on the tour. The West Indies should call Sunil Narine to replace the innefective Veeraswamy Perumal. India will have a bit of a challenge with Narine, but if it helps the Windies, it's worth it. Shami may never get a chance like this in his life, and they give it to Rohit. Rohit might have not even scored that big if it was not for Shami's wickets. Shami will however, prosper from Test cricket outside, and in India.

  • Rohit... on November 9, 2013, 15:42 GMT

    Sammy look at the bright side ..... 4 out of the 5 wrong decisions favored WI.

  • on November 9, 2013, 14:29 GMT

    West Indies will continue to languish in the mud as long as Sammy and Otis are at the head. There is absolutely no reason for Sammy's relevance on the side.Compare any stat you want with any past captains of the West Indies with Sammy's or any other playing captains of today. The excuses have gone to a new level..we lost the mental toughness. Well who should instill that.I would make a wild guess and say the coach and the captain. That is just a guess. We have made some changes from the old order at the top but yet some of that is still lingering.It is time for a change.The Caribbean community where ever they demands it.

  • Arrow011 on November 9, 2013, 13:18 GMT

    Sammy is the best leader West Indies have in the last 5 years. West Indies cricket was like a rudderless boat, it is not ethical to blame Sammy for 1 bad shot. He has been the gluing factor for the team & he was made captain for this very reason. He performs with bat & ball (not to the standards of Ashwin, Shakib al hassan, Stuard Broad or Watson) but he does his role. More than all his abilities he has pulled West Indies cricket out of the dumps with his captaincy. People cannot be ungrateful for this man, he has served a lot for West Indies cricket despite his limited abilities as a player. Before this loss against India, West Indies had bashed teams like Bangladesh, New zealand & Zimbabwe each on 2-0 margins. West Indies came to this match with 6 consecutive victories, which is a true sign of a team making rapid progress, just because of this loss people should not blame him.

  • irishhawks on November 9, 2013, 13:03 GMT

    Mr Fan 169...Didn't Narendra Hirwani took 16 West Indian wickets on test debut?? Did he became India's greatest spinner? Are we having habit of making mountain out of mole hill..Every New comer has good chances because opposition hasn't had a look at him..But once they are sorted out its a different story altogether...

  • BRUTALANALYST on November 9, 2013, 12:21 GMT

    The performance was so bad after this so called "progress" I don't see anyway Sammy will not be forced out before the Kiwi tour or even this last game.The mannor in which Sammy got out first cuaght on boundary trying to hit a 6 over one of the only boundary fielderds and secondly getting clean bowled matched with his poor bowling which he chose to bowl to Rohit on debut as soon as he came in taking any pressure off immediately. I personally don't think Sammy Ramdin Permaul or Darren Bravo should be playng Test cricket.

  • BRUTALANALYST on November 9, 2013, 12:02 GMT

    Unfortunately they were destroyed on the technical side as well.India will again only need to bat once in the final Test I'm almost positive and the game will be even more one sided. Aside from Shillingford the W.I bowlers have nothing and the Indians won't take him so lightly next Test. I have no idea how Permaul gets picked ahead of Miller or Narine ? Powell and Bravo are too inexperienced and mentally weak to play 2 and 3, Kirk Edwards deserves another shot instead of Bravo and Chanderpaul must bat higher.

  • on November 9, 2013, 11:56 GMT

    Really?!!!! The mental side you say? Who knew.

  • on November 9, 2013, 10:43 GMT

    I am happy to see that other persons are now saying what I have been saying all the time. Please WI selectors if you are serious about WI cricket. Please select a captain that is worthy of his place in the team , I would agree that the captain should be either Kirk Edwards or Powell or even Samuels they are specialist batsmen that can command a place in the team. Sammy should be relegated to the captain of the 50 Over and T20 if you want to keep him , he is preventing the WI from have a full strength bowling attack. I also support the dropping of Gayle and Ramdin from the test team. Please lets move on and stop recycling failures if we really want to move WI Cricket to a different level. We have good fast bowlers at home but cannot make the the team because of Sammy. Walton, or Simmons should be the keeper

  • wirus on November 9, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    Sammy became captain at a time when WI needed someone who loved WI cricket more than money or fame. He did a good job as a leader but the team can no longer carry him. He is not worthy of a place in the team as batsman or bowler and now not even as captain. He should be allowed to bow out gracefully and with our sincere thanks after the NZ. A change leadership now would be too disruptive. Edwards and Powell have been groomed and one of them should be given the chance. If they are not ready Samuels would do for now. This captain should be in charge for both tests and ODIs. Ramdin surely has played his last test. He has been a good keeper (one of the best in the world) but the team can no longer survive his inability to score runs. Walton seems the best of an average bunch. Alternatively, they could go for Charles or even Simmons. Gayle is finished in tests and should have his last in India. ODIs and T20 yes if he wishes. Brathwaite should replace him for NZ. More changes... To be cont.

  • decaby on November 9, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    Really Sammy... you are disappointed in Permaul... you were defeated mentally in thinking that you have one champion bowler... Why SS was hit for 6 he was tired... if u had rotated your bowlers you wld have achieved a better result... the problem is your captaincy... you can bat 130 overs when you want to hit 6's... something really mentally wrong with this article... comon Sammy do the honorable thing... you wont be the first nor the last

  • on November 9, 2013, 9:22 GMT

    1.Mr Sammy, problem is not mental but inability to field your best 11 players. No-6 & 7 are not the places where Ramadin & you can play. Neither your bowling deserves you a place. In the interest of WI cricket, please step down & allow a worthy bowler to play in your place. 2.Gayle is past his best, atleast in Test Cricket & Chanderpaul should bat to guide the innings. 3. Why players like Carter, who bats better than Sammy ( WI A performance ) & bowls tight line & length not in the squad ? 4. Kirk Edwards was the most successful batsman in the A tour, yet, not in final 11. Time WI management give away bits & pieces players both for ODI & Test to become consistent over a period of time.

  • on November 9, 2013, 8:43 GMT

    As an Indian its sad to watch Windies going down in such a way..West Indies should bring Ramnaresh Sarwan,Samuel Badree,Sunil Narine in test squad if they want to compete against top teams in test cricket... My West Indies 11 would be 1.Gayle 2.K Braithwaite 3.Sarwan 4.Chanderpaul 5.Darren Bravo 6.K Edwards 7.Ramdin 8.S Badree/Rampaul 9.Shillingford 10.F Edwards 11.Best/Roach

    Rampaul and Roach can be rotated in England,South Africa and Australia.

  • confuZedsoul on November 9, 2013, 8:20 GMT

    Hmm Sammy what a way to spoil Little Hero's party... LOL. Please allow him to bat in the next 2 innings at least.

  • wirus on November 9, 2013, 7:45 GMT

    It is pointless of Sammy to say (once again) that they were beaten mentally. At this stage in their "development" mental beatings should not be happening. It's one thing to lose to a better team but to be beaten by oneself, i.e. mentally is pathetic to say the least. The truth, as so many have already commented on, is that this team is the wrong one and that in itself brings mental stress that they can well do without. Gayle's days in test cricket are over and the same applies to Sammy and Ramdin. Superb as he still is Chanders should be preparing for a hero's send off next year. Instead people are talking about building the batting around him. Brathwait, Fudadin, Edwards, Deonerine are ready now or as ready as they can be as batsmen. Millar, Rampaul and several others are superior to Best and Permaul. Until sensible, obvious changes like these are made humiliating defeats will continue. The whole cricketing world is tired of us now. How much more of this must we endure? It is enough!

  • tests_the_best on November 9, 2013, 6:39 GMT

    Credit to Sammy for giving credit where its due, something some of the Indian players could learn. Dhoni is never so generous but he's usually level headed in victory or defeat. But what this brings to mind is comments made by Sehwag/Gambhir in Aus after the 4-0 losses calling for spinning pitches at home, claiming Ind also won 2-0 against Aus at home etc instead of admitting their own shortcomings and that they were outplayed. On the positive side, Kohli seems to have matured quite a bit from his earlier brashness into future captaincy material.

    All in all the team seems to have transitioned well with a few exciting pacers around and most of the batting slots being consolidated although I feel there's definitely room for Rahane especially on overseas tours. Should be an interesting next year with 4 overseas tours coming up.

  • Billclay on November 9, 2013, 6:08 GMT

    Why is Gayle playing?Why are the Bravos playing?The WI has to come off from the bias heights. Look at crickets not fortune cookies.

  • on November 9, 2013, 5:17 GMT

    wake up wi selectors bring in edwards drop permall and use sameuels as 2nd spin bowler i agree ramden has had is chance you cant be just a wicketkeeper and cant bat ,he cant get runs for the wi when under pressure ,end of story . now for the fast bowlers if you cant swing the ball and have line and length your going nowhere thats the true story of the west indies. no more excuses shami is a good example line and length and swing both ways. i thought they were pathetic in the field no energy i am usually full of praise for sammy but this time did nothing about it and was late bringing samuels on to bowl on the whole it was a poor performance, when it gets hard we throw the towel in. when will they ever learn and then having them at 6 for 158 at one stage

  • on November 9, 2013, 5:13 GMT

    If a century/top scorer for the wining team automatically qualify for MoM then a 5 wicket haul for the wining team, irrespective of defending or restricting a total should be given MoM over a century/top scorer unless the batsman scores more than 50% of the team total or played a direct hand in wining the game. Right now it is the other way round. As fan1969 rightly pointed out it may be due to all commentators being batsmen. there is a heavy bias towards the batsmen and it is spoiling the quality of the game. Quality bowling dont happen over night but a few top edge fours and a lucky streak can happen anytime.

    In the end, if a 9 wickets on a dead flat Indian pitch is not worthy of MoM then it is negative motivation. A viscous cycle of low quality bowler is created. Soon we will see 400+ scores in ODIs being chased regularly.

  • Vasi-Koosi on November 9, 2013, 4:24 GMT

    @Fan1969 That is a fantastic analysis and I fully agree with you. The least they could have done is had the MOM shared between Shami & Rohit. The Adjudicators have gone by the fact that Rohit hit the runs to get a lead which enabled the bowlers to express themselves. In any case, Shami has won a lot of fans. I just hope he continues this attitude towards bowling after another 20 or 30 matches.

  • RespectTruth on November 9, 2013, 2:57 GMT

    Congrats to India for a good win over a mismatched West Indies. Congrats to Shillingford for an outstanding performance, to young Powell for trying, Bravo for playing the role of a worthy # 3 and good dependable Shiv C. Now the real deal. Captain Sammy has been one of my favorite crickets since he has started playing for the W.I., because he is sincere and works hard. He has also provided the leadership and discipline which was badly eroded by the likes of Lara and company in the modern youth era of rudeness and indiscipline. Thanks brother Sammy. The time is coming now for new leadership and a new set of serious players. Sammy must now make way for a real test all-rounder who can take wickets and make runs. W.I. needs an opener to work with Powell as Gayle is no longer test cricket material. Build the batting around Chiv, Bravo, Samuels and Powell. With Roach breaking down and his weak stature, W.I. need to build a brand new team of 3quicks w/Shilli. Ramdin must go-enough!!

  • CricketChat on November 9, 2013, 2:06 GMT

    As an all rounder, Sammy scored 24 runs and no wkts in the test. There is no way he can inspire his teammates with that sort of performance. I am afraid Gayle, Sammy, Ramdin aren't cut out for tests, while Chanderpaul is past his prime. WI will always struggle against top 4 test teams with the current composition.

  • theRule19 on November 9, 2013, 0:43 GMT

    Man of the Match should go to Shami Ahmed..simply because of the sheer effort and skilful pace bowling. Not taking anything away from Rohit or Ashwin, but generally the pitches in India suit either batsmen or spin bowlers and often they are the ones who get these honours. To see an Indian bowler with genuine pace and swing is refreshing to watch. Hope he carries on the responsibility for Indian pace bowling as he has done in his debut game for as long as he plays for India and hope he does not compromise on pace. If India finds one more bowler then it would share his workload perfectly. Kudos to team India. Now it can be said that bowling wise the Indian team is ready to take the likes of SA, Eng., Aus. and or others outside India on pitches that are fast and bouncy.

  • simonviller on November 9, 2013, 0:24 GMT

    I hope this thrashing teaches Wi to put a value on their wickets next time !!! I know this is asking much of some ,but this expected at test level .

  • creekeetman on November 9, 2013, 0:02 GMT

    wi lost mainly because of a lack of ability rather than mentally. there are at least 4- 5 players on the wi team that are not test match material, gayle even tho he has a fair average has never won a test for wi, he either scores big runs on a worthless wicket or fails. ramdin lacks fight when needed most. best is definitely not the best, and sammy is useless as a test player, much less captain. why no nikki miller, and no kirk edwards, among those who did so well with the wi A team recently.

  • LoveTeamIndia on November 8, 2013, 23:52 GMT

    "I am disappointed in the way I and Permaul bowled," Sammy conceded. How about your batting, Sammy-boy? But wait, are you in the team as a bowler or as a batsman? Be ready for another drubbing in Mumbai.

  • S.Jagernath on November 8, 2013, 23:46 GMT

    @Nampally.India have not proven any of their batsmen are world class (excluding Sachin Tendulkar).Virat Kohli did decently in Australia,but has not toured anywhere else either.All the rest have not produced any notable performances away from the sub-continent & particularly India.Cheteshwar Pujara seems to have a solid technique but seems very bottom-hand dominant.Ajinkya Rahane has a truly classical technique but is not even in the playing XI.The rest seem to be FTBs.

  • SNIFFLEATHER on November 8, 2013, 23:25 GMT

    Stop calling for Rampaul - he's always injured and will never be sharp enough to trouble top class batsmen. His fitness has been an issue for years - it will not get any better from here on...

    The reason why the Windies bowlers are weak is down to several reasons. No.1, the tragedy of the tracks in the region - hardly encourages stroke play and seam bowling anymore. No.2, lack of the great Dennis Waight as physio - it has been a long time since the Windies lost this fantastic influence, but ever since then the decline of the quickies fitness as a group has prevailed. No.3, selectors often have us scratching our heads - choosing a washed up Fidel Edwards over an in-form Delorn Johnson last year was one such example - sticking with has beens and nearly men over promising youth has long been a problem. It worked - to an extent, with Narine, There are others that need the same exposure...and far less shortened format cricket...but that is another issue that has crippled the game...

  • on November 8, 2013, 23:10 GMT

    Of all the fast bowlers to get injured y did it have to be kemar? he is easily our best bowler. he may be a bit expensive but he gets wickets and at a decent clip. in a match where reverse swing played a key role he wood have been a great help as he has that ability whereas Tino is just a lose cannon trying to bowl fast hoping for a wicket. in cricket especially in Asia if the ball isnt bowled @ the correct line and length bowling fast only adds to the speed the ball is hit to the boundary. Sammy is not a test class bowler or batsman hence he should be a substitute fielder nothing more. as a captain he is also woeful as he refuses to think outside the box when the chips are down and his bowling changes helped ease the pressure off the Indian team when we had em on the ropes @ 80 odd for 5. but most importantly our batters need to press on after making starts the way sum of them got out was laughable n foolish. only WI habitually make superstars out of average players smh.

  • VipinGangwar on November 8, 2013, 22:44 GMT

    Man for Man !!! are you kidding me.. lets compare batting.. West Indies plays with 5 batsmen(don't consider Ramdin and Sammy as batsmen).. and India with 8(for them Ashwin too)..

    now on balling part Sammy and Permaul are no bowlers in test on Indian wickets.. While India had 4 genuine bowlers..

    Now when you are 4 players short comparing to the opponents how can you win a test match..

    So W.Indies definitely needs to check their team before competing..

  • VipinGangwar on November 8, 2013, 22:35 GMT

    I think giving MOM to Rohit was a good decision. There were only 3 scores of 50+ in 2 innings.. So the score of 177 deserves to be awarded.. Though Shami really bowled very well.. So it would have been awarded for both..

  • on November 8, 2013, 22:05 GMT

    Let's look at India's possible strength and weaknesses. Strengths - Kohili, Rohit, Shami, Dhoni and Sachin finally retiring. Weaknesses - B. Kumar (aside from a new ball, he is very ordinary), Dhawan (tbd), Ohja - if he can't take wickets in India, where will he take wicket?, Vijay (why is he opening for India?), possibly Pujara - what have you done for me lately?. Does India have any more good spin bowlers anywhere? Ohja is not very good and Mishra is past his prime. Shami should be made a poster boy for other Indian boys to emulate. Dhoni is a great captain and will be missed. Rohit should follow up his performance so that the imposters like Rainia and Yuvraj and never give a chance due to their lack of technique against pace bowling. Can Irfan Pathan be given another chance? What about Yadav, Aarun, and other potentially good pace bowlers? If India is to succeed in the long run, they need to pick non-veggies as fast bowlers for long-term success. Less docile pitches ok.

  • on November 8, 2013, 21:57 GMT

    Can someone explain to me, the role of Sammy on the West Indies team?

  • on November 8, 2013, 21:45 GMT

    I am sorry, but could someone explain to me why Sammy is grouping his pathetic effort with that of Permaul's?

    When I look at the bowling figures for WI, I see this:

    TL Best 17 0 71 1 4.17 SS Cottrell 18 3 72 1 4.00

    Permaul 23.4 2 67 2 2.83

    Sammy 12 1 52 0 4.33

    I suppose Sammy is not quite adept at figures, or reason to support sentiment because if he looks at Ashwin's figures from the first innings, he would see:

    R Ashwin 21 9 52 2 2.47

    He would also see that 5 WI wickets fell to India's opening bowlers, which makes me wonder why it is he is not identifying Best's and Cottrell's performances for lament.

    I wouldn't be surprised that they drop Permaul, given these inane remarks, but this WI insularity has got to stop; it is ruining not only our team, but our region.

  • nenez on November 8, 2013, 21:35 GMT

    West Indies fans are going to have to accept that we will never win Tests against decent sides until we get rid of a player who cannot bat, bowl or captain, batsmen like Gayle, Sammuels, Powell and Bravo, who think they are world class players when they occasionallyl make 30!, a Wicketkeeper who shouts his mouth off at one of our greatest players when he makes a meaningless century but when the pressure is on cannot even make 10! and bowlers like Best who has played 20 odd Tests and still does not know the first thing about bowling line and length only short pitch trash. Finally, We will never win Tests against decent sides whilst we have a captain who is basically despised by many of the team because he is so hopeless.

  • on November 8, 2013, 21:27 GMT

    @shashankpandey: absolutely true, imagine any team reduced to 83/5 in their 1st Innings, that to in their 1st session batting, and with the likes of Pujara, Tendulkar, Kohli back in the pavilion, any captain would have a heart attack, especially when you trail by 234 runs in the 1st Innings at the Subcontinent! Though Mohammed Shami's efforts in the match were superb, Rohit Sharma's application at the time of crisis was simply outstanding. Many deserved the Man of the Match award, but I believe it was given to the most deserved player. Simple as that. Case Closed.

  • JoshFromJamRock on November 8, 2013, 21:15 GMT

    1)Powell 2)Edwards 3)Chanderpaul 4)Samuels 5)DM Bravo 6)Deonarine 7)Ramdin, 8)Best 9)Rampaul 10)Roach 11)Shillingford....Reserves: Narine, Cummings, Fudadin and Walton.

    This should be the test squad for the coming tours...when Chanderpaul retires he should be replaced by Fudadin while Simmons should be brought in as a reserve batsman and keeper.

    Allrounder aren't needed in the WI test team unless their is space due to a genuine batsman being a keeper or the allrounder can bowl genuine pace and can make the team as a batsman alone e.g. russell or to some extent DJ Bravo.

    Unfortunately the selectors were stupid enough to make Sammy the captain of the one format he doesn't belong to.

    We saw how that work out...batting lineup made brittle and no strength was added to the bowling.

    Ramdin is genuine captain material and the best option as he's senior enough and experienced enough to lead the team. Powell and Edwards have some experience but need to secure their place in the team.

  • on November 8, 2013, 21:13 GMT

    I too think the problem is more mental than technical. Unlike the Australians, the West Indies have players who can play spin. They also have spinners like Shillingford who are world class. West Indies were on top in this test at two points where they could have really taken the game away from India, and though they couldn't, they did test Indian batsmen and their bowlers, something which the hapless Aussies failed to do for even a session. I hope West Indies can put up a good fight in Mumbai. Really shocking to find Australia ranked above West Indies in tests. Reputation preceding performance, I'd say.

  • TRAM on November 8, 2013, 20:46 GMT

    @Fan1969, fantastic point regarding Shami's achievement and rightly in the featured comment by cricinfo!! In addition, Shami was the ONLY pace bowler in both teams to succeed so well ! (so the point is, there is nothing in the pitch or the conditions. He did it by his shear talent). You said "Most commentators are batsmen and they adjudicate MoM". Very true. I just want to add "Most commentators are Mumbai batsmen". And they all openly said yesterday that they were proud that Rohit was a Mumbaikar. (cricinfo published my comments, as well. Thanks). Hence no wonder they adjudicate Rohit as MoM. India has come a long way in building a good professional cricket team. But they are no where close to building a professional commentators/officlals team yet.

  • Vilander on November 8, 2013, 20:08 GMT

    i am pretty sure Shami would have got MoM if he was from mumbai....Sunny/Sashtri ??

  • gsingh7 on November 8, 2013, 19:22 GMT

    it is not mental advantage alone when u loses by a big margin and an innings in store.wi lack proper cricketing skills in all departments when facing top test sides. in previous test tourto india they were beaten by 2-0 score as well. its mare than mental defeat. sammy is rolling out excuses yet again.

  • Nampally on November 8, 2013, 19:06 GMT

    Sammy is still dreaming when he says that WI team is as good as the Indian team, Man for Man. India has at least 5 batsmen who proved themselves to be World class with their performances during the past 18 months. Rohit Sharma did not become what he is today- overnight, He went thru' a very rough spell just 2 years back & was almost out of reckoning. He applied himself to the task heart & soul, worked on his mental approach, his defence, discipline & patience. Dhawan, Kohli & Pujara are already amongst the top batsmen in the world. WI were lucky that these guys failed but I won't count them out for the next Test. Ashwin + ojha is a good spin combo. But for dropped catches, Ojha should have got a few wkts. Shami & B.Kumar are better bowlers than the WI pace bowlers- man for man! WI has good batsmen in Gayle, Samuel & Bravo but their bowling is weak. WI team without the top class players Narine, Dwayne Bravo, Pollard, Rampal & Roach can't match India, let alone win. Let us get Real!

  • on November 8, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    Sharma was chosen as the man of the match because he pulled out the team from a very bad position to a place where they had 200 runs lead. Agree that Ashwin scored a century too. But rohit forged two good partnerships. Thats why he got MoM award. Had Shami's bowling pulled out India from a bad situation, it'd be him getting the award. Simple, isn't it?

  • Frayninho21 on November 8, 2013, 18:42 GMT

    This was an incredibly disappointing performance from the West Indies. At the moment, they do not have the discipline or correct approach to batting in tests. Today, over 200 runs behind and batting to save the match, Gayle set off like he was chasing down 300 in an ODI. To get out trying to pull a wide ball outside off stump is criminal when you're trying to save a match. In this side & in these conditions, Chanderpaul is batting too low at # 5 - given that Ramdin is batting at 6 and out of form, Shiv gets absolutely no support from the lower order. He should be batting at 3 or 4 in this line-up. As for the bowling, Best has been around the West Indies team for over 10 years but has never developed in to looking like a top class test bowler. Why persevere with him ? Why not see if Jason Holder, Miguel Cummins or Shannon Gabriel could do any better ? Sammy is a good guy and a decent bits and pieces player for ODI's and T20's but doesn't warrant playing in tests let alone as captain.

  • Texmex on November 8, 2013, 18:31 GMT

    Shami is in form like Rohit. I would like to see how he maintains his bowling particularly in grounds that don't favor reverse swing.

    Bhuvi seemed potent with his early breakthroughs earlier this year but seems to have fallen somewhat.

  • InsideHedge on November 8, 2013, 18:28 GMT

    @Voice.O.Reason: I said as much under a different thread, agreed. BTW, that 1st Test against England was at Ahmedabad, not Kanpur.

    I expect Windies to be much better in the 2nd Test, they can help themselves - as England did - by getting their selections right. Cottrell and Permaul need to sit out, perhaps Permaul survives as they don't appear to have brought Narine or Bishoo with them to India. I also have doubts about K Powell, he needs to convert his starts after being given plenty of chances by the selectors. Powell has also played lots of A cricket for Windies, some of his recent outings have been against these very bowlers such as Shami.

  • Alexk400 on November 8, 2013, 18:14 GMT

    Sammy can't bat in TEST and can't bowl in TEST. Waste of space.

  • on November 8, 2013, 18:06 GMT

    Maybe WI aren't as good as they think they are. They went into this test with 5 recognized batsmen, nos. 6 and 7 who barely know how to hold a bat in test cricket, a bowler who believes that spraying the ball all over the pitch at pace is what is required to take wickets, a debutant fast bowler with a bad bowling action and no ability to swing the ball, and an inconsistent left arm spinner. How do you expect to win or even draw a test match with that combination?

    As for the top order, how can we expect them to keep focus and not play rash shots when they get little practice of this locally? The regional FC structure is very poor, with very few games and with most of the senior players not participating because they are away on one of their T20 gigs.

    Mentally beaten? No! You are just not good enough!

  • on November 8, 2013, 18:02 GMT

    @Narkovian, could not have said it better. Regarding Sammy's most recent justification, that the were beaten by the mental side, is prepostorous.There is ONLY the mental side in cricket....what did they think they were going to out-muscle The Indians? I am sick of the excuses and poor decisions. Now he is not only blaming himself but he is dragging Permaul down with him. There were many opportunities to bowl Permaul during pressure times but this joker wants pace and Best/Cottrell presence in the team proved worthless. Wait, Sammy did say pace does not do well in India, yet he chose to play three fast bowlers, while Miller, Deonarine are waiting. he could have bowled Sammules Gayle and several other team members to experiemnt but he is not a thinking capitain. He lacks innovation, and imagination. Why not bowl Gayle, sammules, powell and even Chanders.... Good going sammy. lets see what you have to say next test.

  • on November 8, 2013, 17:51 GMT

    I just love the West Indian fans for their genuine love for cricket and some really honest opinions.

  • Voice.O.Reason on November 8, 2013, 17:33 GMT

    I hope Team India don't let this success go so much into their heads that they lose focus and application for the next test. I have seen this happen in the past. Latest case was the England series where they won at Kanpur convincingly, then lost badly at Mumbai and Kolkata.

  • InsideHedge on November 8, 2013, 17:27 GMT

    Agree that the MoM award was typically batsman-biased. It would have been appropriate for the award to have been shared between Rohit and Shami, and if it did have to go to ONE player ONLY then Shami was deserving. After all, Rohit's innings would not have been possible without Ashwin who also chipped in with his bowling effort.

    A cynic could add that Darren Sammy was also most helpful.

  • Harshtmm on November 8, 2013, 17:23 GMT

    this would be a much different team if they had Narine in.

  • on November 8, 2013, 17:13 GMT

    The pre-tour get together in Florida for team bonding just did not produce the desired outcome for Windies. Coach and team management have some difficult choices for the next Test in order to prevent another humiliating defeat.

  • on November 8, 2013, 17:03 GMT

    Chanders 1st priority is not to remain not out but to anchor the WI batting. Sammy may be a nice person but that is it, he is not an exceptional Bowler, not an exceptional batsman and certainly not an exceptional Captain. So what do you do with Sammy? Chris Gayle's performance is once again lacking in the long form of the game. Time to realize that this team has been in the rebuilding stages for too long. Time to realize that this organization has been promising for too long. Maybe it is time to pick the top three players from each Carribbean Island/Country and rebuild this team. We should care about consistency not constant excuses and apologies.

  • on November 8, 2013, 16:50 GMT

    WI losses the second match and Sammy should give up this side. He is neither a Bowler or a batsman. Not sure why he is even considered. You have talent like Santokie who is a better player that Sammy. Pave the way WI, you are losing fans faster than WI is giving up runs.

  • Cpt.Meanster on November 8, 2013, 16:49 GMT

    I think Sammy is a liability to the WI cause. As an all rounder, he needs to contribute in EVERY department. Yet, he gloriously fails as a bowler and a batsman. Which means, that no.7 spot is now a question mark. I also don't understand how an average player like Dinesh Ramdin keeps getting selected for so long ? The guy is clearly not made for test cricket, more so as a wicket keeper batsman at 6. He's okay in T20s and so-so in ODIs. Over all, I think WI need better nos. 6 and 7 if they have any ambition to rise up the ladder in test cricket. India will win in Mumbai as well. I hope the WI become realistic in their plans and try to compete with India one last time before the limited overs leg.

  • Sultan2007 on November 8, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    The challenge with the West Indian Team is its balance. And the tragic reality is that Darren Sammy, their Captain would not oridinarily merit his place as either a bowler or a batsman though he is a good leader. Reminds me of another time where England had a similar challenge with Mike Brearley. But not only were those different times but England was a stronger side

  • Narkovian on November 8, 2013, 16:29 GMT

    Mental side, Darren. !... Don't complicate the thing. You were just thrashed by a far better side. Indian batting is in my opinion now the best in the world. (And that's from an ENG supporter).Their bowling still lacks something, but WI can be bowled out by pretty much anyone these days. All IND need to do now is translate the form to foreign territory, and we'd all better watch out.

  • rationize on November 8, 2013, 16:25 GMT

    Where is Rampal? I think he is their best fast bowler.

  • SamRoy on November 8, 2013, 16:23 GMT

    May be with top 5 (except Chanderpaul) it is a mental case but with Sammy and Ramdin it is a technical case. Both are not good enough to bat any higher than No. 8 in test cricket.

  • TAJY on November 8, 2013, 16:21 GMT

    West Indies Bowlers don't/can't swing the ball. God knows why. Tino Best has been playing cricket for so long. Barely moves the ball. He thinks he's going to dismiss international players through ball speed, intimidation, and a fierce bouncer? Think again. To get wickets at this level you have to put the ball in the right areas (Curtly Ambrose, Glenn McGrath can tell you that). You have to get your line and lengths right. you HAVE to analyse the batsman and outsmart him. And further more, you have to get it right from the get-go. Tino always gets his line and length wrong first up, relieving the pressure on the batsmen. Trouble the batsmen early, make them fear and respect you right away with good deliveries. And learn to swing the ball. If you can put the ball in the right areas consistently (ambrose), and learn to swing it as well from those good lengths (J Andersen) then you'd get wickets. If you can do THAT with speed (Dale Steyn), you're a star.

  • InsideHedge on November 8, 2013, 16:18 GMT

    One would have expected Sunil Narine to be a bigger threat than Permaul, especially considering that he's got plenty of experience of bowling at Eden Gardens and India in general. Given Permaul's lack of experience, it's an odd decision to not even have Narine in the squad. Don't tell me, he's also injured!

  • InsideHedge on November 8, 2013, 16:15 GMT

    Cottrell was a disappointment in this Test, not so much his bowling figures but he simply looked out of his depth. He's got an obvious flaw with his bowling action, his right arm drops off appreciably at the point of release, leaving his core out of shape. Yes, he's quick but that's not enough to trouble Test batsmen.

    Which brings up the question of fitness, particularly West Indian quicks. I should add the Aussie quicks here too, just how do so many of them get injured? All at the same time? Here, I can think of Fidel Edwards, Ravi Rampaul, Kemar Roach, Jason Holder and Shannon Gabriel. Are they ALL injured?

  • VSIndia on November 8, 2013, 16:15 GMT

    I don't appreciate how West Indies and Sammy keeps bashing Indians. Focus on your own flaws rather than moaning about India having lesser patience etc. They also don't respect Tendulkar - "We will make him earn each and every run" Why go so hard on Tendulkar? What did he do to you? WI is overrated. Beat 'em India. Show them their worth.

  • InsideHedge on November 8, 2013, 16:14 GMT

    Cottrell was a disappointment in this Test, not so much his bowling figures but he simply looked out of his depth. He's got an obvious flaw with his bowling action, his right arm drops off appreciably at the point of release, leaving his core out of shape. Yes, he's quick but that's not enough to trouble Test batsmen.

    Which brings up the question of fitness, particularly West Indian quicks. I should add the Aussie quicks here too, just how do so many of them get injured? All at the same time? Here, I can think of Fidel Edwards, Ravi Rampaul, Kemar Roach, Jason Holder and Shannon Gabriel. Are they ALL injured?

  • InsideHedge on November 8, 2013, 16:08 GMT

    Sammy had a very poor game, not only with his batting/bowling but his captaincy. But I like Sammy, he's a genuinely nice guy and a wholesome trier, he's also a better cricketer than he's given credit for. But yes, he had a stinker of a game here.

    Still, I always get the impression that the seniors in the WI team are not fully behind him. Let's take Gayle: Can you really excuse his batting performance in this Test? He scored those 30 odd runs oh so easily in the 2nd dig but there was no desire to rein himself in. Should he really be getting out this often to Bhuvi? Can he swallow his ego and play him out carefully, get over the line so to speak? Hardly a good example to the rest of the batting line up.

    And am I being too critical when I say Chanders' 1st priority appears to remain not out?

  • on November 8, 2013, 16:07 GMT

    I think sammy doesnt deserve a place in playing 11 in Tests against india and in india....they should play with extra batsman...

  • on November 8, 2013, 16:05 GMT

    Otis and Sammy roll out the excuses

  • InsideHedge on November 8, 2013, 16:01 GMT

    Test cricket is the toughest format but there are some aspects that actually make it EASIER than limited overs cricket. One such example is TIME/patience. When Shillingford romped to his 1st four wickets, Rohit and Ashwin sensibly decided to play him carefully, and pick off runs from his bowling partner.

    What was needed at the other end was tight bowling, instead Permaul consistently bowled poor lines, often drifting onto the pads. Even his eventual dismissal of Rohit was fortunate.

    The body language of the seniors was pathetic too, Gayle, Samuels and Chanderpaul were hardly encouraging in the field. Even from the outside, one could see this is not a happy camp.

  • on November 8, 2013, 16:00 GMT

    there is no balance in this team and there was no application from the onset. very mediocre in all respects. same old same old....

  • on November 8, 2013, 15:52 GMT

    If a Rookie can swing the ball appreciably why not Sammy, Best or Cottrel. Very good match for the Debutants. Hope West Indies to make India fight for their next win in The Lion's (Sachin's) Den. I earlier in my comment mentioned a lead of 250 will be handy for India to win. My fervent (again) hope Sachin to finish off in style with a Double century befitting his 200th test. All the best Master Blaster. Kashinath

  • Sagarneel on November 8, 2013, 15:44 GMT

    The problem with WI is they play too many T20 games (both International and leagues) and far too less Tests. They have the talent to be a top side (barring another quality paceman maybe), but they need to remember the art of playing Tests, which is greatly different from T20s.

  • on November 8, 2013, 15:18 GMT

    Always... in hindsight.. tired of this.

  • on November 8, 2013, 15:18 GMT

    Always... in hindsight.. tired of this.

  • Sagarneel on November 8, 2013, 15:44 GMT

    The problem with WI is they play too many T20 games (both International and leagues) and far too less Tests. They have the talent to be a top side (barring another quality paceman maybe), but they need to remember the art of playing Tests, which is greatly different from T20s.

  • on November 8, 2013, 15:52 GMT

    If a Rookie can swing the ball appreciably why not Sammy, Best or Cottrel. Very good match for the Debutants. Hope West Indies to make India fight for their next win in The Lion's (Sachin's) Den. I earlier in my comment mentioned a lead of 250 will be handy for India to win. My fervent (again) hope Sachin to finish off in style with a Double century befitting his 200th test. All the best Master Blaster. Kashinath

  • on November 8, 2013, 16:00 GMT

    there is no balance in this team and there was no application from the onset. very mediocre in all respects. same old same old....

  • InsideHedge on November 8, 2013, 16:01 GMT

    Test cricket is the toughest format but there are some aspects that actually make it EASIER than limited overs cricket. One such example is TIME/patience. When Shillingford romped to his 1st four wickets, Rohit and Ashwin sensibly decided to play him carefully, and pick off runs from his bowling partner.

    What was needed at the other end was tight bowling, instead Permaul consistently bowled poor lines, often drifting onto the pads. Even his eventual dismissal of Rohit was fortunate.

    The body language of the seniors was pathetic too, Gayle, Samuels and Chanderpaul were hardly encouraging in the field. Even from the outside, one could see this is not a happy camp.

  • on November 8, 2013, 16:05 GMT

    Otis and Sammy roll out the excuses

  • on November 8, 2013, 16:07 GMT

    I think sammy doesnt deserve a place in playing 11 in Tests against india and in india....they should play with extra batsman...

  • InsideHedge on November 8, 2013, 16:08 GMT

    Sammy had a very poor game, not only with his batting/bowling but his captaincy. But I like Sammy, he's a genuinely nice guy and a wholesome trier, he's also a better cricketer than he's given credit for. But yes, he had a stinker of a game here.

    Still, I always get the impression that the seniors in the WI team are not fully behind him. Let's take Gayle: Can you really excuse his batting performance in this Test? He scored those 30 odd runs oh so easily in the 2nd dig but there was no desire to rein himself in. Should he really be getting out this often to Bhuvi? Can he swallow his ego and play him out carefully, get over the line so to speak? Hardly a good example to the rest of the batting line up.

    And am I being too critical when I say Chanders' 1st priority appears to remain not out?

  • InsideHedge on November 8, 2013, 16:14 GMT

    Cottrell was a disappointment in this Test, not so much his bowling figures but he simply looked out of his depth. He's got an obvious flaw with his bowling action, his right arm drops off appreciably at the point of release, leaving his core out of shape. Yes, he's quick but that's not enough to trouble Test batsmen.

    Which brings up the question of fitness, particularly West Indian quicks. I should add the Aussie quicks here too, just how do so many of them get injured? All at the same time? Here, I can think of Fidel Edwards, Ravi Rampaul, Kemar Roach, Jason Holder and Shannon Gabriel. Are they ALL injured?

  • VSIndia on November 8, 2013, 16:15 GMT

    I don't appreciate how West Indies and Sammy keeps bashing Indians. Focus on your own flaws rather than moaning about India having lesser patience etc. They also don't respect Tendulkar - "We will make him earn each and every run" Why go so hard on Tendulkar? What did he do to you? WI is overrated. Beat 'em India. Show them their worth.