The Ashes 2013-14 November 29, 2013

'Hope Trott is back soon' - Warner

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David Warner has offered his sympathy to Jonathan Trott and said he hopes the England batsman, who left the Ashes tour with a stress-related illness, recovers soon. Warner was criticised by Alastair Cook and Andy Flower for comments made about Trott during the first Test - although England were clear they did not contribute to Trott's decision - and the Australia opener accepted that he "did go over the line a little bit".

Warner described Trott's dismissal in the second innings at the Gabba as "pretty poor and pretty weak", as Australia ramped up the aggression in pursuit of victory. A crushing, 381-run win was duly wrapped up and England suffered a further blow in their bid to retain the Ashes with the news the following day that they would be without No. 3-batsman Trott for the rest of the campaign.

Several members of the Australia camp have subsequently declared that they plan to continue coming hard at England verbally but Warner took a step back from hostilities to voice support for Trott.

"We didn't know anything about an illness or what not," Warner told the Sydney Morning Herald. "It's sad to see anyone go through that tough period and obviously if he's got an illness that's there we hope he gets the right people to help him out.

"We know the world-class kind of batter he is: he averages 50 in Test cricket and he has been a great player, a rock for England. I wish him all the best and I know our team wishes him all the best. I hope he gets well soon and [is back] playing the best cricket he can."

Flower said at a press conference on Monday that Trott had been managing his condition for as long as he had known him and Hugh Morris, England's managing director, stressed the player's return home was "not down to any particular incident over the last few days". Flower did say, however, that Warner had "overstepped the line", while Cook called the comments "disrespectful" after England's defeat on the fourth day. Warner had previously acknowledged going too far, before the announcement about Trott's departure, and he reiterated those sentiments.

"I was always going to cop criticism, no matter what, from what I said," Warner said. "As I said before, I probably stepped over that line and at the end of the day it's cricket. We've got to go out there and play the best we can and as hard as we can without crossing that line.

"Going into public and saying what I did probably did go over the line a little bit. Obviously it's unfortunate that [Trott] has gone home now. I hope he gets well because we know the type of player he is and he will bounce back from it."

Warner's attempt to smooth over the issue comes after former Australia captain Steve Waugh labelled him "out of order" for the attack on Trott. Interviewed on the Sydney Cricket Ground website, Waugh, a famously tough on-field competitor, said that Australia may need to temper their confrontational approach and let their cricket do the talking for them.

"I think Dave Warner's comments were out of order," Waugh said. "I don't believe you should comment on someone else personally on the opposition. He can make a generic comment, but I think when you get personal like that, you cross the line on how players treat each other, and the respect they should have.

"So I didn't agree with Dave's comments, having said that, he probably did smell a bit of fear in the England opposition players. Unfortunately for Jonathan Trott, it was a personal issue, and you don't want to keep going on about that. You just want him to get better and get well. So I think that hopefully has been put behind in that last Test match, and won't be brought up again.

"I think Australia probably need to be a little bit more clever about the way they're going about things. They're playing well, so they don't need to do so much talking out there now."

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  • Insult_2_Injury on December 3, 2013, 1:53 GMT

    The Waugh brothers rebuking Warner...bit rich! I've got no doubt Warner will wear criticism and accept the sledging in return without running to the media to 'dob on' the sledger. Apparently in retirement the Waugh brothers are the arbiters of what constitutes too far in sledging. How ridiculous is that? Who's next - Warnie & Haydos?

  • BigINDFan on December 2, 2013, 16:16 GMT

    Not clear what is Trott's issue so Waugh is right in saying do not get personal. If Warner talked about how good Aus bowlers were in sorting out the batsmen including Trott then it is good. There is no psychological gains in that other than making the Eng batsmen more determined. Also Aus should not get carried away by one great performance. But for Haddin's skill the first innings would have folded and the match may have been tighter. Warner and Clarke are not consistent and Watson is still struggling. Haddin is the only consistent bat right now. That is Aus's weakness which Eng knows well. Win the series handsomely before bragging.

    About the rankings - i agree it does not say much. No team is dominant right now. So take it one series at a time and that is so much more fun than one team dominating. FYI - No one talks about Pujara but he is the best Test batsmen Ind has now not Kohli or Dhawan or Rohit. It will be fun to see Pujara in SA

  • sachin_vvsfan on December 2, 2013, 11:46 GMT

    @sailorsupreme I do not believe in the ranking systems. I don't think we are the second best side in Tests. The new generation players may prove us wrong but mind you the rankings are based on the past performances not future. At home yes we are probably the best side but away i still have doubts.

    Also i do not believe that SA is head and shoulders above the rest. They also have same parity. Pak beat them recently although they were not prepared and they barely managed draw against similar side that was beaten 4-0 by Eng/Aus.

  • Shaggy076 on December 2, 2013, 5:43 GMT

    sailorsupreme; The ranking system is arbitary. You can only judge two sides by how they played against each other and there is no way you can claim superiority over England as they hold both series home and away. Similarly, India are on par with Australia. Australia havent played Zimbabwe and Bangladesh for so long that they have no points for that, in my opionion the current ICC system with India at two shows the inadequacy of the system.

  • Dashgar on December 2, 2013, 5:15 GMT

    @Sailorsupreme, we're talking test cricket here. Not white ball stuff. Dhawan, Rohit, Vijay, Pujara, Ashwin, Kohli, Kumar and a ton of others are either completely unproven away from home in tests or are proven failures. India only have 2 batsmen averaging over 35 in tests away from home in the last 3 years and they've both retired (Dravid and Tendulkar). The current test bowling lineup for India will be almost entirely guys who have never played overseas or Ashwin who has 9 wickets at over 60 in the last 3 years. If India get any better than avoiding a 3-0 whitewash it'll be a huge upset in SA.

  • Cricket_theBestGame on December 2, 2013, 0:05 GMT

    well said Steve Waugh. he showed his class and his professionalism. it shows that even though the past greats of aus were hard agressive blokes on the field they still respected and knew where that "line" was off the field.

    since ponting came in that line always got shifted a feet further and now under clarke its quite a distance away ! steve is right that with 1 test win and a good one too, aus need not sink to lows and match eng if they did this previously. its childish isn't it? they do it why can't we. be humble in defeat and gracious in defeat. you'll win hearts no matter what the outcome is !

  • milepost on December 1, 2013, 12:10 GMT

    @Xolile, lol! You're right about that.

  • sailorsupreme on December 1, 2013, 10:37 GMT

    It is not as if 'proper' test match pitches are obtained only in SA, Australia and England. It is not as if the SA, Aus, Eng players are good players of fast bowling. In fact not one player from these nations stands out when confronted by hostile short pitched swing bowling. The players from the sub continent are fast catching up and we are waiting for Shikhar, Virat, Pujara and Rohit to silence the critics of Indian players, particularly when they are touring @ Shaggy076 SA is the official no.1 and India is no.2 The Indian team was going through a transformation and that is why the dismal away series record in the recent past. Yes, India were poor tourists, not anymore. We are eagerly waiting to set the record right by choking the SA side in SA. When that happens, an exciting era in international cricket will begin. The job is not hard as you make it sound. India will prevail and te world will learn that SA is vastly over rated.

  • BellCurve on December 1, 2013, 10:35 GMT

    Warner is a real man. There is a real shortage of real men at the moment.

  • milepost on December 1, 2013, 8:11 GMT

    Trott's dismissals were poor and weak, so were most of the English dismissals. Their team gave up (twice) against our attack. What is a player supposed to do after a 381 demolition? They tried thir best but it wasn't heir (4) days? Good effort but not quite good enough? They should be able to say, we were all over them, we expected a contest but they didn't turn up. That's what happened so why is it not ok to say so?

  • Insult_2_Injury on December 3, 2013, 1:53 GMT

    The Waugh brothers rebuking Warner...bit rich! I've got no doubt Warner will wear criticism and accept the sledging in return without running to the media to 'dob on' the sledger. Apparently in retirement the Waugh brothers are the arbiters of what constitutes too far in sledging. How ridiculous is that? Who's next - Warnie & Haydos?

  • BigINDFan on December 2, 2013, 16:16 GMT

    Not clear what is Trott's issue so Waugh is right in saying do not get personal. If Warner talked about how good Aus bowlers were in sorting out the batsmen including Trott then it is good. There is no psychological gains in that other than making the Eng batsmen more determined. Also Aus should not get carried away by one great performance. But for Haddin's skill the first innings would have folded and the match may have been tighter. Warner and Clarke are not consistent and Watson is still struggling. Haddin is the only consistent bat right now. That is Aus's weakness which Eng knows well. Win the series handsomely before bragging.

    About the rankings - i agree it does not say much. No team is dominant right now. So take it one series at a time and that is so much more fun than one team dominating. FYI - No one talks about Pujara but he is the best Test batsmen Ind has now not Kohli or Dhawan or Rohit. It will be fun to see Pujara in SA

  • sachin_vvsfan on December 2, 2013, 11:46 GMT

    @sailorsupreme I do not believe in the ranking systems. I don't think we are the second best side in Tests. The new generation players may prove us wrong but mind you the rankings are based on the past performances not future. At home yes we are probably the best side but away i still have doubts.

    Also i do not believe that SA is head and shoulders above the rest. They also have same parity. Pak beat them recently although they were not prepared and they barely managed draw against similar side that was beaten 4-0 by Eng/Aus.

  • Shaggy076 on December 2, 2013, 5:43 GMT

    sailorsupreme; The ranking system is arbitary. You can only judge two sides by how they played against each other and there is no way you can claim superiority over England as they hold both series home and away. Similarly, India are on par with Australia. Australia havent played Zimbabwe and Bangladesh for so long that they have no points for that, in my opionion the current ICC system with India at two shows the inadequacy of the system.

  • Dashgar on December 2, 2013, 5:15 GMT

    @Sailorsupreme, we're talking test cricket here. Not white ball stuff. Dhawan, Rohit, Vijay, Pujara, Ashwin, Kohli, Kumar and a ton of others are either completely unproven away from home in tests or are proven failures. India only have 2 batsmen averaging over 35 in tests away from home in the last 3 years and they've both retired (Dravid and Tendulkar). The current test bowling lineup for India will be almost entirely guys who have never played overseas or Ashwin who has 9 wickets at over 60 in the last 3 years. If India get any better than avoiding a 3-0 whitewash it'll be a huge upset in SA.

  • Cricket_theBestGame on December 2, 2013, 0:05 GMT

    well said Steve Waugh. he showed his class and his professionalism. it shows that even though the past greats of aus were hard agressive blokes on the field they still respected and knew where that "line" was off the field.

    since ponting came in that line always got shifted a feet further and now under clarke its quite a distance away ! steve is right that with 1 test win and a good one too, aus need not sink to lows and match eng if they did this previously. its childish isn't it? they do it why can't we. be humble in defeat and gracious in defeat. you'll win hearts no matter what the outcome is !

  • milepost on December 1, 2013, 12:10 GMT

    @Xolile, lol! You're right about that.

  • sailorsupreme on December 1, 2013, 10:37 GMT

    It is not as if 'proper' test match pitches are obtained only in SA, Australia and England. It is not as if the SA, Aus, Eng players are good players of fast bowling. In fact not one player from these nations stands out when confronted by hostile short pitched swing bowling. The players from the sub continent are fast catching up and we are waiting for Shikhar, Virat, Pujara and Rohit to silence the critics of Indian players, particularly when they are touring @ Shaggy076 SA is the official no.1 and India is no.2 The Indian team was going through a transformation and that is why the dismal away series record in the recent past. Yes, India were poor tourists, not anymore. We are eagerly waiting to set the record right by choking the SA side in SA. When that happens, an exciting era in international cricket will begin. The job is not hard as you make it sound. India will prevail and te world will learn that SA is vastly over rated.

  • BellCurve on December 1, 2013, 10:35 GMT

    Warner is a real man. There is a real shortage of real men at the moment.

  • milepost on December 1, 2013, 8:11 GMT

    Trott's dismissals were poor and weak, so were most of the English dismissals. Their team gave up (twice) against our attack. What is a player supposed to do after a 381 demolition? They tried thir best but it wasn't heir (4) days? Good effort but not quite good enough? They should be able to say, we were all over them, we expected a contest but they didn't turn up. That's what happened so why is it not ok to say so?

  • Mayaro_Man on November 30, 2013, 21:01 GMT

    No need to apologize mate, when you were having your troubles in England, they did not apologize to you. It's professional sport and if you are not up to it, you're replaced. Trott has dished out his share in the past.

  • on November 30, 2013, 20:10 GMT

    Trott seems to be too brittle for the International scene. There will always be sledging and u answer with your bat. I don't mean whacking Warner on the head. You just rain 4s and 6s. Guys do it to get under your skin. As a professional one must take it in stride. Not run to his shrink at every turn. Warney did nothing wrong. Everyone does it, including Captain Clarke and even the classy Sangakara.

  • Fourworldcups on November 30, 2013, 17:19 GMT

    @ottowarocks. "did Australia's away win over SL occur on a proper pitch"? Yes.

    @Meety. I hear what you're saying about the media, I'm just talking about Warner in particular.

  • JG2704 on November 30, 2013, 10:45 GMT

    Warner may have been guilty in the past of various misdemeanours but saying a dismissal "Is poor and weak" is basically the truth and I don't think there's anything personal about it. Warner had no knowledge of how Trott was and it wasn't personal IMO. We all make comments about our side lacking backbone or tame dismissals etc - it's sport and human nature to be critical when a player is underperforming. IMO Warner (from what I've read he said) does not owe an apology but nice sentiments from the man with a bad rep nonetheless

  • milepost on November 30, 2013, 7:35 GMT

    Good tough cricket by Australia. All teams do it but like batting, bowling and fielding we are better at it than England too.

  • skilebow on November 30, 2013, 7:14 GMT

    @Srinivasan Narayanan - Yes that is exactly what he is saying and it is hardly a revelation. Sledging is often about making the sledged feel stronger therefore is usually used when things aren't going to plan. Malcolm Marshall never said a word!

  • on November 30, 2013, 7:02 GMT

    In the current cricket scenerio almost all the team is started to do the sledging. In earlier days the bowlers keeps to stare the batsman once they beats him and doesn"t found the edge or so.Even the Indians are also not far behind, in the last one day recently played Shikhar Dhawan mocked an injured Watson and Dhoni will have to come to stop it. So in International cricket you will have to take it in your stride and give it back whenever it possible. After all it is highly competative cricket .........?.

  • on November 30, 2013, 5:20 GMT

    May be the Aussies will learn from their own kind, in Steve Waugh and Ian Chappell. Warner was reprimanded in the last series and sent on Sabbatical to South Africa. Has he learnt anything? Have Australians learnt anything? All that started when they were over 500 runs ahead and only one outcome possible. Let's see what happens in a close contest. It all shows this Ashes series is not a contest for the champions in test cricket!

  • Prabhash1985 on November 30, 2013, 5:02 GMT

    End of the day, it's not cricket, it's life. (Period!)

  • on November 30, 2013, 4:55 GMT

    So what does Steve Waugh mean when he says " "I think Australia probably need to be a little bit more clever about the way they're going about things. They're playing well, so they don't need to do so much talking out there now."? That if you are not doing well then you need to sledge to get some advantage? Draw your own conclusions!

  • dunger.bob on November 30, 2013, 4:28 GMT

    @Short-Arm-Jab: "I wish CA would put a gagging order on Warner". I'm pretty sure they already have. I recall reading something last week that said his media appearances for the rest of the series will be 'kept to a minimum'. Rightly so as well. You shouldn't go bagging other current players like that. Past players, well perhaps, but not blokes you're going to play against next week. .. Just like Jimmy Anderson shouldn't have mouthed off in his book, but we can forgive him that because we're big hearted, honest people as a general rule.

  • Capt.Harry on November 30, 2013, 4:21 GMT

    David Warner will never learn.He himself was out of Australia's team just recently because of childish temper. He is a waiting time bomb ready to explode and has a very long way to catch up to the class of J. Trott.It is not just D. Warner,historically Australia has always played the game this way and it is disgraceful.Imagine the captain was also fine and reprimanded.I have seen other teams in worst off position behave with dignity and class in their lowest point of a match or even in brutal defeats Imagine they were winning and behaving this way.Anyway most cricketers/ supporters around the world despise their sour grapes attitude. I say fine them heavy ICC and ban them for a couple of games.I don't think this attitude is tolerated in any other team sports.Get rid of it.I have never supported Australia and I never will.Fightback time. Beat them bad England!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Busie1979 on November 30, 2013, 4:12 GMT

    Well I'm glad Warner has a Mo for Movember. Good on you Dave! Scoring some runs for mental health!

  • rajuramki on November 30, 2013, 3:58 GMT

    Sledging has been a part of Australian cricket and England is no novice in this art . Even though , sledging was no less during Steve waugh's period , it is now bordering near arrogance , which is better eliminated . A player can still play more than 100 tests without anything distracting them . Examples are players like Lara , Tendulkar, Dravid , Laxman , Kallis . Atleast, Warner had the guts to admit that he went over board but the past Australians had no regeret about their actions . Cricket is no longer a gentleman's game and it is now a battle field , where the only thing that matters is Victory .

  • on November 30, 2013, 3:51 GMT

    sorry not a fan of that sort of sledging, if any sledging at all and those people who think sledging has always gone on ,they are wrong australians were the first to sledge after the rein of richie benaud , come in i chapple r marsh ,d lilee and others , before then i can remember benaud clapping his hands after a superb cover drive by garry sobers, that was played in the right spirit also i dont remember andy roberts , j garner ,m holding m marshall and others sledging they just used their speed and skill to bowl batsman out . thats the way the game should be played , and this talk about it happens in all sports is rubish i dont see it in golf for example i could go on but i wont. you can still play it hard but fair .

  • JethroTell on November 30, 2013, 2:22 GMT

    David Warner did not know of Trott's illnesss but the English coach and selectors did, and then picked him knowing that he was out of form. The ashes tour is long and very closely contested and Trott's form in the English tests was surely a sign to the selectors. It is the coach and the selectors who have done Trott damage, not David's comment about his batting. They took the risk with his health, and seemingly want to blame everyone else for Trott going home after one test. They should accept the responsibility for their own mistakes. They picked him knowing that he would be under huge pressure in this series. I wish Trott all the best. I hope Aussies win 5-0 and the English coach and selectors lose their jobs.

  • Go_F.Alonso on November 30, 2013, 1:56 GMT

    It's clear Warner's comments were taken with the greatest of offenses by players, fans & media alike. If it were a boxing match and the same comments were made by one of the boxers, the other would probably just laugh. No disrespect to Trott & his illness. Guess it's the price that a modern cricketer has to pay to succeed. Anyone know if this happens with other sports this often?

  • on November 30, 2013, 0:58 GMT

    Have to disagree with Rising_Edge1234 re not being afraid with all of the protective gear nowadays. A cricket ball @ 140-140K+ seriously hurts and cricketers aren't trussed up like NFL players! Some parts are still vulnerable.

    I don't believe Trott is afraid, just the same. Just off his game and no doubt feeling pretty low because he's let the side down. Not hard to figure.

  • on November 30, 2013, 0:53 GMT

    FORGIVE them; god Lord. It is very clear, many still do not know what stress related ailment means. Luckily, they never had anyone in their close family suffering from it. I do. And, he is the most brilliant one in my large family at three different levls. He is in the creative field. And, quit from many great assignments, half way though.He is not a mental patient. But losses out in life. At least Trott managed it well so far, and achieved a lot at the highest level.

    Good Lord, forgive these people whose comments look insensitive (though rational and based on the "apparent" facts), since they know not; what this illness mean.

  • RJHB on November 30, 2013, 0:39 GMT

    As you said, Waugh was a "famously tough on field competitor", so it's a nonsense that he's now saying that Australia should temper their approach. We saw what the aggression did for the Aussies cricket, why on earth would you back off? And since when did he ever take a step back?? I think he might be going senile!

  • Diaz54 on November 30, 2013, 0:36 GMT

    Can you imagine how Viv Richards dealt with all this verbal sledging.....he would,come hard back at you! some of the things the West Indians had to cop in the 1970s and beyond is incredible, men and boys.

    As to Trott I guess it is illness many millions suffer from ,in their daily lives, but are not in public eye. As a fellow human being you have to give Trott sympathy and wish him and his family the very best. But just take note there are others suffering as well....there is no sympathy for them....Shame how the world is so polarised. Get back soon Mr Trott and score a hundred. Riaz

  • cloudmess on November 30, 2013, 0:10 GMT

    It was almost a relief for Australia win the first test, to finally see them perform on the field after putting in one heck of a performance off it over the past 6 months. Even before the start of the current series, I thought that the great Aussie sides of 10 years ago would always publicly show proper respect for their opponents - and showing sufficient respect, as Mike Brearley once said, is a key to knowing how to win. That said, if the rest of the pitches are as fast as Brisbane, the Aussies won't need to do too much more talking.

  • ShutTheGate on November 30, 2013, 0:09 GMT

    CA, Please give Warner media training or exempt him in his contract from media duties. It's obviously not one of his strengths.

    Back to the cricket...

  • VivGilchrist on November 29, 2013, 23:23 GMT

    This is all one big overreaction. If Warner's comment was directed at Cook or Broad or someone else with a bit of mental toughness it would have been a non issue. Yes, maybe don't comment publicly but still as an international sportsman one surely needs more mental fortitude than what Trott has displayed. I'd be saying this if Trott was an Aussie as well.

  • lebigfella on November 29, 2013, 23:19 GMT

    Don't apologise Warner... words were said in the heat of the battle. You weren't to know what was to happen. Sadly your timing was as good, ironically, as that in your second knock... everyone has over reacted... please let the cricket recommmence and the English batsmen start doing what they're paid for.... England to scrape (and scrap) it 2-1. And man up the lot of you... banter & heckling is part of any sporting contest... Love ya Trotty btw

  • RTPbetterthanSRT on November 29, 2013, 22:30 GMT

    I wish CA would put a gagging order on Warner. If he spent as much time talking to media as he does improving his game then maybe his career figures would be a lot better than averaging 39 after 23 tests. He is in no place to comment on other players when he himself still has a lot to prove to the cricketing world. I think Warner would gain a lot more support from Australians if just let his bat do the talking, plain and simple. As far as I'm concerned, he is a very unlikable character and their seems to be a few more in the current team!

  • dunger.bob on November 29, 2013, 22:18 GMT

    I thought we'd gotten over all this and were ready to move on to the next disaster, but no, apparently not. He it is again, regurgitated in all its ugly glory. Must be the lack of actual cricket to talk about that keeps it alive.

  • on November 29, 2013, 22:16 GMT

    Just a reminder to all of us that there is nothing "manly" or superior about insulting someone. We must be sober enough to consider that people are often beset with circumstances, which we may never fathom.

  • Meety on November 29, 2013, 22:05 GMT

    @Fourworldcups on (November 29, 2013, 17:41 GMT) - "...CA should hand Davey a list of generic comments ('proud of the boys', 'looking forward to the match' etc)..." plus "...it was really special..." Seriously though - the media is destroying the game by wringing the personality out of it. Do we have to wait for the usual tour diaries or biographies to find out what a player is thinking?

  • trumpoz on November 29, 2013, 21:57 GMT

    The problem with what Warner said is that it was said off the pitch in the media. I'm from the school of play hard, sledge if need be, take it, give it back, shake hands at the end of the day/game and have a beer and a laugh afterwards. Had Warner made those comments on the field they would have been part of the game and left on the field.

    I find it hilarious that people are commenting that Lillee, Marsh, Waugh etc didn't resort to verals....... They certainly did. Steve Waugh was the master of mental disintergration. If you read books by Dennis Lillee or Rod Marsh there is huge amouts of stuff about on-field verbals.

    This is how cricket is - where-ever you play.

  • Biggus on November 29, 2013, 21:55 GMT

    @Indika M Bandaranayaka:-Sorry mate, but Lillee was a big one for verbals, certainly not someone to hold up as a model of gentlemanly play. Fine bowler, but he crossed the line whenever he felt like it, and he single handedly gave Ian Chappell's team the reputation of being sledgers, since the rest generally didn't have a lot to say. Steve Waugh was a big one for it too. I'd rather they toned it down but it's not a particularly new development.

  • AlSmug on November 29, 2013, 21:34 GMT

    To much has been made out about Australian sledging and the link to trotts mental illness, this in itself is appalling and cowardly remarks. Mental illness does not happen ni a few days due to a bit of sledging . I hope the Aussies continue to sledge as its working to un rattle the english team , cricket is a game of the minds , minds need to be tightened in the english camp if they are to have any chance this summer, we have Warner the walking ego and england have KP . Im predicting the Australian team to win this series. Id bring Ben Cutting in for adelaide and rst up injury prone Harris on a wicket that is going to be hard slog foe the bowlers

  • Martensad on November 29, 2013, 20:46 GMT

    Unbelievable that Waugh would say that. He and his team were the nastiest sledgers of all time.

  • Clavers on November 29, 2013, 20:29 GMT

    Goodoh Davey. Now forget about the whole incident and focus on going back to belting cricket balls to kingdom come.

  • dr.thirsty on November 29, 2013, 20:27 GMT

    In fairness to Warner, he clearly didn't know that Trott had an illness and I do believe that if he had, he would not have said what he did. Yes, it was wrong to single out a fellow professional in the way he did - which is something neither of these teams has done in the past - but he has now reflected, put his hand up and acknowledged it was wrong. He can't really do anything more than that. So fair play to him and let's take him at his word and move on. Perhaps it was just youthful enthusiasm at work so maybe CA need to find more mature heads (Clarke, Haddin, Rogers, Siddle, Harris, Bailey) to put up at press conferences. Lets be honest, a seasoned journo could lead Warner into saying pretty much anything. All the best to Trotty and hope we (England) can fight back on the pitch - where it counts.

  • Stumay on November 29, 2013, 20:26 GMT

    Go away Warner, just go away.

  • Doogius on November 29, 2013, 19:40 GMT

    Davey's manager, nicely scripted words and I hope davey gets the help he needs and can go an entire series without being a human headline sometime in the future.

  • tamperbay on November 29, 2013, 19:04 GMT

    Everybody needs to wake up here. Warner was not actually criticising Trott. He was criticising the way that Trott got out in that innings. Same with Cook. He criticised what Warner said as being disrespectful, not who Warner is. There is a BIG difference and that is why the ICC didn't fine Warner for it.

  • on November 29, 2013, 18:51 GMT

    How funny it looks that Aussies peaked in sledging when they are actually winning by superior display and were dumb and stupified when they were losing in England?

  • on November 29, 2013, 18:20 GMT

    cricket is game played between bat and ball linguistic skills or sledging should not indulge in the way the game is played , home country advantage fuelled by aggression leads to this type of behavior which questions on how the game is played, paramount importance is how we conduct are selves in the eyes of the spectator, a young cricket enthusiast should not be taking this conduct as norm, bad example aussie , cricketers have always played hard never stooped down to this level , Waugh border , lillee , marsh , Thompson great cricketers in their heyday never needed the verbal approach it was either the red cherry or the willow that did the talking , cmon Australia it is game played between 22 gentlemen ,

  • OttawaRocks on November 29, 2013, 18:17 GMT

    Fourworldcups: I find it rather rich that you insinuate that SA is a holder of "proper pitches and against quality bowling." While the latter may be true I don't believe there is an official standard of what constitutes a "proper pitch." Tell me, did Australia's away win over SL occur on a proper pitch? Because if it didn't we'll just have to invalidate that win, should that be the case.

  • Napes_Sudan on November 29, 2013, 18:00 GMT

    This has been a cracking start to the ashes, but only one match played so far and England are notoriously slow starters. The banter is brilliant. Warner is clearly a couple of shrimps short of a full bar-b-que. A fact that will not be lost on the likes of Prior, Broad and Anderson so we can expect some added 'frisson' for the rest of the series. My money is on Warner losing it at some stage and not completing the series.

  • on November 29, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    @sailorsupreme India, Sri Lanka dont play better cricket away. South Africa seems to be the only test nation that plays great cricket away.

  • Shaggy076 on November 29, 2013, 17:47 GMT

    Sailorsupreme; I will accept South Africa as the world's best but the rest is nonsense.India rarely win away and lost to England both home and away. Austalia beat SriLanka home and away making that argument impotent and can't remember the last time Pakistan beat Austalia. so. on a head to head basis England are in front of India, Australia on par and both Australia and England are in front of Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

  • skilebow on November 29, 2013, 17:44 GMT

    @sailorsupreme - Sorry you can protest all you like, and you probably have a point, but the ashes is still the ashes. Only test cricket could devise a situation where the most famous and prestigious match is exclusively played by 2 nations and no one else can join in

  • Fourworldcups on November 29, 2013, 17:41 GMT

    @Sailorsupreme, either your memory or resarch is faulty there. SA, India Srilanka and Pakistan - The only team on your little list there that have performed well home and away is South Africa. India are horrible travelers. Remember 0-8? Australia beat SL 1-0 in Sri Lanka and 3-0 last summer at home. Last time Pak came to Aus they lost 0-3, to go with the 1-1 tie at "home" against Aus in England in 09. England beat India 2-1 last year to back up the drubbing 4-0 in England. Speaking of legacy, India have NEVER won a series in Aus. My prediction is that Indian fans will be glad for how brief their SA tour will be, as they're going to be soundly thrashed on proper pitches and against quality bowling.

    Back to the Ashes, I don't think there was any real malice meant by Warner in his original comments. Neverthelss, CA should hand Davey a list of generic comments ('proud of the boys', 'looking forward to the match' etc) that he is permitted to say to the media and nothing more.

  • CodandChips on November 29, 2013, 17:28 GMT

    I hope Warner doesn't get criticised for this. I'm sure people will find a way though.

    @sailorsupreme I doubt many England/Aussie fans consider their nations to be "premium", that's generally a thing you'll see when Pakistan play.

  • on November 29, 2013, 17:08 GMT

    in truth it does not matter what Warner said as this is sport you play to win but you have to be careful on what you say as it come back to haunt you.

  • on November 29, 2013, 17:04 GMT

    On a lighter note Trott seems to be garnering as much coverage on cricinfo as did Sachin :)

  • sailorsupreme on November 29, 2013, 16:50 GMT

    It is really sad to see two proud cricket playing nations getting excited over a not so unfamiliar English batting collapse. Johnson is bowling well but he is still playable as was shown by Cook Root and Bell in the second innings. The first game of a test series and England has usually been a vulnerable touring side. In the second test KP, Cook and Bell will restore parity if not dominance and Australia will wilt away, Johnson's pace, notwithstanding. But it is rather amusing for these two nations to assume they are the premium cricket nations even though teams from SA, India Srilanka and Pakistan play better cricket at home and away. The really interesting tussle is going to be the SA-India brief series next month when the exciting batsmen from India will be tasked to prove that the likes of VVS, Dravid, Sehwag and Sachin have left behind a strong legacy of a strong Indian batting line up, against any opposition at home or abroad.

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  • sailorsupreme on November 29, 2013, 16:50 GMT

    It is really sad to see two proud cricket playing nations getting excited over a not so unfamiliar English batting collapse. Johnson is bowling well but he is still playable as was shown by Cook Root and Bell in the second innings. The first game of a test series and England has usually been a vulnerable touring side. In the second test KP, Cook and Bell will restore parity if not dominance and Australia will wilt away, Johnson's pace, notwithstanding. But it is rather amusing for these two nations to assume they are the premium cricket nations even though teams from SA, India Srilanka and Pakistan play better cricket at home and away. The really interesting tussle is going to be the SA-India brief series next month when the exciting batsmen from India will be tasked to prove that the likes of VVS, Dravid, Sehwag and Sachin have left behind a strong legacy of a strong Indian batting line up, against any opposition at home or abroad.

  • on November 29, 2013, 17:04 GMT

    On a lighter note Trott seems to be garnering as much coverage on cricinfo as did Sachin :)

  • on November 29, 2013, 17:08 GMT

    in truth it does not matter what Warner said as this is sport you play to win but you have to be careful on what you say as it come back to haunt you.

  • CodandChips on November 29, 2013, 17:28 GMT

    I hope Warner doesn't get criticised for this. I'm sure people will find a way though.

    @sailorsupreme I doubt many England/Aussie fans consider their nations to be "premium", that's generally a thing you'll see when Pakistan play.

  • Fourworldcups on November 29, 2013, 17:41 GMT

    @Sailorsupreme, either your memory or resarch is faulty there. SA, India Srilanka and Pakistan - The only team on your little list there that have performed well home and away is South Africa. India are horrible travelers. Remember 0-8? Australia beat SL 1-0 in Sri Lanka and 3-0 last summer at home. Last time Pak came to Aus they lost 0-3, to go with the 1-1 tie at "home" against Aus in England in 09. England beat India 2-1 last year to back up the drubbing 4-0 in England. Speaking of legacy, India have NEVER won a series in Aus. My prediction is that Indian fans will be glad for how brief their SA tour will be, as they're going to be soundly thrashed on proper pitches and against quality bowling.

    Back to the Ashes, I don't think there was any real malice meant by Warner in his original comments. Neverthelss, CA should hand Davey a list of generic comments ('proud of the boys', 'looking forward to the match' etc) that he is permitted to say to the media and nothing more.

  • skilebow on November 29, 2013, 17:44 GMT

    @sailorsupreme - Sorry you can protest all you like, and you probably have a point, but the ashes is still the ashes. Only test cricket could devise a situation where the most famous and prestigious match is exclusively played by 2 nations and no one else can join in

  • Shaggy076 on November 29, 2013, 17:47 GMT

    Sailorsupreme; I will accept South Africa as the world's best but the rest is nonsense.India rarely win away and lost to England both home and away. Austalia beat SriLanka home and away making that argument impotent and can't remember the last time Pakistan beat Austalia. so. on a head to head basis England are in front of India, Australia on par and both Australia and England are in front of Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

  • on November 29, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    @sailorsupreme India, Sri Lanka dont play better cricket away. South Africa seems to be the only test nation that plays great cricket away.

  • Napes_Sudan on November 29, 2013, 18:00 GMT

    This has been a cracking start to the ashes, but only one match played so far and England are notoriously slow starters. The banter is brilliant. Warner is clearly a couple of shrimps short of a full bar-b-que. A fact that will not be lost on the likes of Prior, Broad and Anderson so we can expect some added 'frisson' for the rest of the series. My money is on Warner losing it at some stage and not completing the series.

  • OttawaRocks on November 29, 2013, 18:17 GMT

    Fourworldcups: I find it rather rich that you insinuate that SA is a holder of "proper pitches and against quality bowling." While the latter may be true I don't believe there is an official standard of what constitutes a "proper pitch." Tell me, did Australia's away win over SL occur on a proper pitch? Because if it didn't we'll just have to invalidate that win, should that be the case.