World T20 March 14, 2014

Stokes breaks wrist punching locker

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Ben Stokes has been ruled out of the World T20 after breaking his wrist when he punched a locker in the dressing room following his dismissal in the final T20 against West Indies.

He will be replaced for the event by Chris Woakes, the Warwickshire allrounder, and it is the second enforced change to England's squad following the broken thumb sustained by Joe Root earlier in the tour.

Stokes was dismissed first ball in the third T20, bowled by Krishmar Santokie, and the injury occurred a short while later in the dressing room.

"I am really disappointed to be missing out on going to a World T20 with England," Stokes said. "It was a huge error in judgement following a frustrating tour for me and I deeply regret my behaviour. I would like to wish the team all the very best in Bangladesh."

Stokes' tour with the bat brought scores of 5, 4, 0, 4 and 0 while he also had a very limited role to play with the ball. It has been a rapid decline in fortunes after he was one of the few England players to emerge with any credit from the Ashes tour after scoring a hundred in Perth and putting in some feisty bowling displays.

It is unclear at the moment what the recovery timeframe will be for Stokes and whether he will be available for the start of Durham's County Championship season.

Woakes, meanwhile, has played just four T20s for England, the most recent being against New Zealand, at The Oval, last June. He has claimed two wickets in those matches and has an economy rate of over 10 an over.

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  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2014, 3:32 GMT

    The boy has got character. He does not want ever to fail and what he did shows that he is a winner. Good for England's future.

  • POSTED BY Juiceoftheapple on | March 16, 2014, 12:04 GMT

    Stokes should be in the ODI team only and allowed to develop into the player he might be. If we over play him and over rely on him we will ruin him. Same as Trott and Root. He is too loose as a test bowler, and untill he can remedy this we need the likes of Taylor to take his place in tests to try to develop as our middle order test batsman.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | March 16, 2014, 9:08 GMT

    @Patchmaster on (March 16, 2014, 4:41 GMT) Please dont bother trying to start off conversations/debate when you have nothing to debate with.

    I - and others - mentioned on several occasions that Ravi has been one of our best SF bowlers over recent years. Bearing that in mind - and the fact that we're not exactly blessed with economical SF bowlers he should stay in the side as a bowling all rounder. If he couldn't bowl then I too would not have him in the side but his bowling has been an asset in recent times and even with his batting he is now down the order behind Morgan and Buttler. Re his batting - in the last game where you made him a scapegoat , others performed as badly. Buttler looked horrible and Stokes and Ali made no impact. Stokes contributed nothing and contributes less than Bopara in SFs and yet he gets no mention at all. Surely our SF pace bowling is a much bigger problem

  • POSTED BY Patchmaster on | March 16, 2014, 4:41 GMT

    Does anyone know if Bopara has hit anything lately ? He certainly hasn't hit many fours. How can Bopara be in the squad when he constantly uses up far too many deliveries, whilst playing for his average ? Where is Gary Balance ? He was nearly top of the T20 rankings in Eng - so why is he not being picked ? He looked like real talent.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | March 15, 2014, 22:28 GMT

    @ steve48 on (March 15, 2014, 9:40 GMT) We need a different type of player out there. I doubt Woakes in shorter formats period but on dry SC pitches...? What's the obsession with going with so many pace options?

    Patel is an obvious replacement but even a spinner who doesnt bat so well - someone like Rayner - would be a better bet

  • POSTED BY pat_one_back on | March 15, 2014, 22:25 GMT

    Stokes juvenile streak was on display throughout the latter stages of the ashes, mind you from Day 1 in Brisbane Andersen set the tone for ugly send offs that all bowlers picked up on. The good news for Eng is that Root is out, how this guy is seen as a T20 player is anyone's guess, he's got great test potential but the umpires are more exciting to watch than Root soaking up overs. You'd have to rate Eng's chances lower than any other Test nation at this stage just based on morale alone.

  • POSTED BY delboy on | March 15, 2014, 20:20 GMT

    KP should put all those missing him out of their misery by rejoining South Africa....

  • POSTED BY delboy on | March 15, 2014, 20:16 GMT

    Stokes will learn the hard way. Vandalise equipment in the UK but treat it with respect in Barbados.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 15, 2014, 18:32 GMT

    scaphoid fracture could keep him out for months. Silly boy!

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 15, 2014, 12:44 GMT

    ECB are self destructing themselves first by dropping Peterson now a are v bad replacement fo stokes. .samit Patel would have been option as he can bowl some handy spin

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2014, 3:32 GMT

    The boy has got character. He does not want ever to fail and what he did shows that he is a winner. Good for England's future.

  • POSTED BY Juiceoftheapple on | March 16, 2014, 12:04 GMT

    Stokes should be in the ODI team only and allowed to develop into the player he might be. If we over play him and over rely on him we will ruin him. Same as Trott and Root. He is too loose as a test bowler, and untill he can remedy this we need the likes of Taylor to take his place in tests to try to develop as our middle order test batsman.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | March 16, 2014, 9:08 GMT

    @Patchmaster on (March 16, 2014, 4:41 GMT) Please dont bother trying to start off conversations/debate when you have nothing to debate with.

    I - and others - mentioned on several occasions that Ravi has been one of our best SF bowlers over recent years. Bearing that in mind - and the fact that we're not exactly blessed with economical SF bowlers he should stay in the side as a bowling all rounder. If he couldn't bowl then I too would not have him in the side but his bowling has been an asset in recent times and even with his batting he is now down the order behind Morgan and Buttler. Re his batting - in the last game where you made him a scapegoat , others performed as badly. Buttler looked horrible and Stokes and Ali made no impact. Stokes contributed nothing and contributes less than Bopara in SFs and yet he gets no mention at all. Surely our SF pace bowling is a much bigger problem

  • POSTED BY Patchmaster on | March 16, 2014, 4:41 GMT

    Does anyone know if Bopara has hit anything lately ? He certainly hasn't hit many fours. How can Bopara be in the squad when he constantly uses up far too many deliveries, whilst playing for his average ? Where is Gary Balance ? He was nearly top of the T20 rankings in Eng - so why is he not being picked ? He looked like real talent.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | March 15, 2014, 22:28 GMT

    @ steve48 on (March 15, 2014, 9:40 GMT) We need a different type of player out there. I doubt Woakes in shorter formats period but on dry SC pitches...? What's the obsession with going with so many pace options?

    Patel is an obvious replacement but even a spinner who doesnt bat so well - someone like Rayner - would be a better bet

  • POSTED BY pat_one_back on | March 15, 2014, 22:25 GMT

    Stokes juvenile streak was on display throughout the latter stages of the ashes, mind you from Day 1 in Brisbane Andersen set the tone for ugly send offs that all bowlers picked up on. The good news for Eng is that Root is out, how this guy is seen as a T20 player is anyone's guess, he's got great test potential but the umpires are more exciting to watch than Root soaking up overs. You'd have to rate Eng's chances lower than any other Test nation at this stage just based on morale alone.

  • POSTED BY delboy on | March 15, 2014, 20:20 GMT

    KP should put all those missing him out of their misery by rejoining South Africa....

  • POSTED BY delboy on | March 15, 2014, 20:16 GMT

    Stokes will learn the hard way. Vandalise equipment in the UK but treat it with respect in Barbados.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 15, 2014, 18:32 GMT

    scaphoid fracture could keep him out for months. Silly boy!

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 15, 2014, 12:44 GMT

    ECB are self destructing themselves first by dropping Peterson now a are v bad replacement fo stokes. .samit Patel would have been option as he can bowl some handy spin

  • POSTED BY TheBigBoodha on | March 15, 2014, 11:39 GMT

    Hope he got it out of his system.

    He'll be fine. Just needs to channel the energy in the right way. Look at how Boof has worked miracles with Johnson, Warner and co. Just needs the right leadership.

  • POSTED BY paapam on | March 15, 2014, 11:11 GMT

    I would like to know what Stoke's relationship with Broad is like. Stokes was definitely under bowled againt the WI. Does broad nurture fears that Stokes may overshadow him?! Worth looking into.

  • POSTED BY R_U_4_REAL_NICK on | March 15, 2014, 10:41 GMT

    So is the locker alright? Has it burst open and let loose all England's form and talent that has been missing for some time now? See this is what happens when ex-players (KP) and/or coaches (Flower) run off with sets of keys...

  • POSTED BY RAYKAY on | March 15, 2014, 10:35 GMT

    What a shame Mr Giles, you have a world class player like Kevin Petersen and the ECB terminated his international carrer, Oh, Enland, you could win the world cup again with this man. Throt say something for KP we heard your story exiting the recent Ashes may be the ECB might acknowledge that something went wrong with KP and could correct it.

  • POSTED BY Jaffa79 on | March 15, 2014, 10:25 GMT

    Woakes's bowling in T20 will be carnage. He bowls floaty medium pace will get destroyed.His batting seems to have come on but his bowling will never be international class I am afraid.

  • POSTED BY on | March 15, 2014, 10:25 GMT

    He should have saved the punch for David Warner - who not only is "punchy" himself but is arguably the most unpleasant character to have ever played Test cricket - I apprecaite there are many other candidates over the last 138 years for this particular title!

  • POSTED BY StevieS on | March 15, 2014, 10:11 GMT

    Shame was looking forward to him playing against his fellow countrymen in the NZ match.

  • POSTED BY dunger.bob on | March 15, 2014, 10:05 GMT

    @ Pras and ModernUmps : From the looks of things, Joe Root would do well to punch himself if it has that sort of effect.

  • POSTED BY on | March 15, 2014, 9:53 GMT

    Pathetic and childish.

    When we eventually get to the T20 the whole team will be a Warwickshire team at the rate at which the first picks are getting injured.

  • POSTED BY PrasPunter on | March 15, 2014, 9:40 GMT

    @ModernUmpiresPlz, looking at what has happened since that famous punch, it would do a world of good for Stokes to punch Joe Root - he might end scoring back-to-back centuries !!

  • POSTED BY steve48 on | March 15, 2014, 9:40 GMT

    I have said on other posts, we are in danger of ruining Stokes, and here we are. How can I see they were putting pressure on him he wasn't ready for, yet they can't? Number 3 in the ODIs, then as low as 7, I ask you! And his bowling is good as an impact fourth seamer, but lacks the control for short formats. Should have got a big pat on the back after Australia and sent home to rest and prepare to be the Flintoff replacement we are looking for, not shoehorned into being a key player in all formats right now. With Central Contracts, Lions tours etc, how have we got into this mess? And why Woakes? Hope the T20 cup doesn't scar him too. Not a good enough bowler for this

  • POSTED BY suzyparker on | March 15, 2014, 9:21 GMT

    I think we should give the locker a go. can't do any worse!

  • POSTED BY Biggus on | March 15, 2014, 8:30 GMT

    Bet that's the last time any locker looks at Stokes in a funny way.

  • POSTED BY dunger.bob on | March 15, 2014, 8:24 GMT

    Given the stick we were copping back when we couldn't even do our homework, I'm surprised I feel as sympathetic as I do towards the Poms. It must be because they remind me of us. .. That haunted, hapless look. Don't get me wrong, I still want to bury them deep underground next time we meet, it's just that I don't want to see them self immolate as a result of their well deserved thrashing. .. Some dignity, please England. It's no fun mauling a dribbling mess.

  • POSTED BY statmatt on | March 15, 2014, 8:15 GMT

    I like Woakes, but t20 isn't his best format. Shame Willey is injured as he would have been ideal. Giles does seem to have choice of replacements, choosing all Warwicks players.

  • POSTED BY ModernUmpiresPlz on | March 15, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    You miss less games if you just punch Joe Root in the face instead.

  • POSTED BY on | March 15, 2014, 7:39 GMT

    where is micheal carberry he is one of best domestic t20 player for england

  • POSTED BY on | March 15, 2014, 7:30 GMT

    Woakes!…. Woakes! Another Warwickshire man. bits and pieces cricketer, not quick enough to trouble anyone, not wily enough to get many out and not much of a bat. I know he had a decent Sri Lanka 2nd series but there must be better out there. Giles' decision making to date has been awful. Really not convinced

  • POSTED BY milepost on | March 15, 2014, 6:44 GMT

    He was overhyped, probably believed it and can't adjust to being normal. He did show some guts and skill in the Ashes. I agree with @Landl47, who cares of he plays T20 ever again, after their Ashes shambles and the continuing issues England need to look after their players that have the ability to help form a competitive team. I've never understood punching inanimate solid objects in anger. Something tells me he won't do it again!

  • POSTED BY on | March 15, 2014, 6:30 GMT

    kensohatter: England would never fall that low (although that would be lovely!), as they have a distinct advantage over the rest of the cricketing world. in that they have the cream of the world's best talent to pick from in the county cricket circuit. they already have picked nine South Africans that way since 2004 alone. and various other Zimbabweans, Aussies, Kiwis and West Indians.

  • POSTED BY MarinManiac on | March 15, 2014, 4:06 GMT

    Stokes -- gone. Now -- what about Woakes? One (h)'oax for another. There is too much angst in the England locker room these days....

  • POSTED BY lillee4PM on | March 15, 2014, 2:41 GMT

    Young, talented and a bit of a Richard Cranium!!

  • POSTED BY kensohatter on | March 15, 2014, 2:06 GMT

    England are an absolute shambles. Ashes 0-5 ODIv Aust 1-4 T20 v Aus 0-2, Then narrow win against lowly ranked WI in ODI 2-1 and now a series T20 loss to WI 1-2. In the last 6 months they have lost Trott to stress leave, Had Swann retire, banished prior to county cricket, torn up KPs eng contract, had coach flower step aside, now have Root, broad and stokes with injury concerns. Not to mention all the fall out from KPs departure and its effect on Cooks captaincy. Absolute mess. Things get no easier as they next have a world t20 tournament then Sri Lanka and India in tests and ODIs before they go to World ODI tourney. SL and Ind will rightly see them ripe for the picking. There is a very real chance that england will drop to 6th or 7th on the rankings in both formats and if that happens i dont see how they can retain cook as capt. Im just hoping the misery continues till next ashes so the aussies can roll them at home!!

  • POSTED BY Meety on | March 15, 2014, 2:03 GMT

    @ Back-Foot-Cringe on (March 14, 2014, 19:23 GMT) - he has red hair - as if he wasnt a hot head!!! His head was permanantly on fire! == == == Wish stokes all the best - but a pretty limp wristed display in the locker rooms really!!!!

  • POSTED BY YsaKaru on | March 15, 2014, 1:29 GMT

    another boxing CHAMPION!!!!!

  • POSTED BY Moppa on | March 15, 2014, 1:04 GMT

    @xtrafalgarx and @AshesErnie, the issue isn't so much that people can't make good starts, but how quick people are to extrapolate from one or two good performances. Think JP Duminy, Greg Blewett, Shaun Marsh, Marchant de Lange, Kyle Abbott etc - there will be lots of others - that have one or two good performances and people start massively over-rating their abilities. Some of the above may yet prove to have good Test careers, but one has to perform for an extended period before you can start to treat them as the real deal. I would consider that M.Hussey, Philander, Waqar, Gilchrist and others performed straight away and for an extended enough period that it's not just a 'honeymoon', and yet still had/will have ups and downs (inevitable in a long Test career). Personally I think Stokes has ability but he has been massively over-hyped based on an authoritative but ultimately lost-cause century and a lucky 6-for.

  • POSTED BY keepingtestcricketreal on | March 15, 2014, 1:03 GMT

    I see all sorts posting things about best subcontinent X1 and you need a certain type of player to play there. Then I see all sorts of comments about the pitch conditions there are the same as everywhere else and its not doctored for the locals to cash in on there dust bowl experience. So my question is when are we telling the truth only when it suits us it seems!!!

  • POSTED BY wapuser on | March 15, 2014, 0:56 GMT

    It seems a strange statement but it might do hima favour. Like Joe Root he has been earmarked for all three formats so an enforced break ( no pun intended) prior to the test summer won't do him any harm.

  • POSTED BY Robster1 on | March 15, 2014, 0:39 GMT

    Could it get any worse for the hugely well paid England squad. Oh dear, oh dear....Give them a rest.

  • POSTED BY on | March 15, 2014, 0:33 GMT

    Unbelievable from a professional.

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | March 15, 2014, 0:28 GMT

    This might be a blessing in disguise. Stokes was in no sort of form and for a young player to struggle like this isn't a good thing, either for him or for England. Let him go home, get fit, play some cricket and then think about his international future. I still believe, based on what I have seen of him, that he has the potential to be a very good test all-rounder.

    Frankly, I couldn't care less if he never plays another T20I in his life.

  • POSTED BY Coastaltown on | March 14, 2014, 23:27 GMT

    @xtrafalgarx Did you seriously just dismiss Waqar Younis as one of "the other blokes"? Blimey.

    Stokes is a berk, but he's also young and this is not the first time he's had a lapse of judgement, with a bit of luck he'll grow out of it. In an odd way I'm pleased to see this, shows he cares. The way he's been playing he's done us a favour, tbh.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 14, 2014, 23:22 GMT

    What a waste of a career. he had promise but you can never pick this lunatic again now. He needs professional help.

  • POSTED BY Alpalcal on | March 14, 2014, 23:20 GMT

    He should have been dropped anyway... no loss. Good outcome as it takes the decision away from the coach who seems often incapable of dropping players. Only concern Giles will probably bring back Luke Wright... another player who has never shown anything in an England shirt and should be dropped.

  • POSTED BY Vijay_P_S on | March 14, 2014, 23:16 GMT

    He underestimated the locker.

  • POSTED BY on | March 14, 2014, 22:38 GMT

    Sokes you are not the only one who is disappointed. You have to have a cool head if you want to be a successful all rounder like Sobers or Kallis.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 14, 2014, 22:21 GMT

    Probably was only going to be a liability anyway going on recent form.

  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | March 14, 2014, 22:21 GMT

    Are these English players made of paper or glass ? It seems every one of them is fragile. With Stokes gone now, I can positively declare with utmost confidence that England have ZERO chance of even making it past the first round. They could win one game against some associate team but that's about it. Get well soon Ben.

  • POSTED BY ThePacifist10 on | March 14, 2014, 22:20 GMT

    Stokes will be fine. We had this angry young man who was quite the brat in 2008. I believe he's now among the most terrifying batsmen in the world: Virat Kohli. He's still hot-headed, but that is necessary sometimes. This will actually make Stokes better. You know, what Steyn calls 'controlled aggression'.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | March 14, 2014, 22:19 GMT

    Sorry for Stokes but it could well be a blessing in disguise.

    I'm just wondering why they are not learning that the ballance of the side is all wrong. Surely it's no coincidence that on these drier pitches our slower bowlers are proving more economical than our pacers?

    Nothing against Woakes who I'd like to see become a test regular but his ODI stats are nothing special in the domestic game so how do they expect him to be better on less suitable conditions/pitches and against elite players? Surely Patel was the man they should have gone for. I thought that Collingwood would add some common sense to team selections - it seems not

  • POSTED BY on | March 14, 2014, 22:14 GMT

    Make him play with the injury....complete stupidity. Seems players never learn..

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | March 14, 2014, 22:13 GMT

    @SamWintson92 - Finn could be a liability like the pacers we already have there. I guess Willey is injured (at least I hope they're not overlooking him in favour of the usuals). Topley might have been a good shout. Mahmood may have done ok on those pitches. Only saw a few games of Azharullah and not seen much of White. KP is obvious but Shah is very hit or miss , Kieswetter is a boundary or nothing player and struggles vs quality spin and I think Carberry and Ballance did themselves no favours with their laboured performances in the ODI side. Always liked DM and GN but I think the former burned his bridges with the side a while ago and I dont think the latter will suddenly get the nod

  • POSTED BY AshesErnie on | March 14, 2014, 21:52 GMT

    Mike Gatting famously shredded his left hand breaking glass in a Lord's dressing room door after running himself out in a Middlesex v Australia match in 1993. The injury ruled him out of the ODI's but, sadly for Atherton, he was back for the Tests when he ran Athers out at Lord's for 99 - the closest he ever got to a Lord's ton. 20 years on and Gatt is President of MCC, rebel tours, barmaids and broken glass notwithstanding.

  • POSTED BY ScottStevo on | March 14, 2014, 21:25 GMT

    No great loss. Massively over-hyped after exceptionally mediocre performances in the Ashes were embellished due to the lack of anything else of value to praise...

  • POSTED BY AussiePhoenix on | March 14, 2014, 21:09 GMT

    Must have realised he'd be better off playing for New Zealand.

    And then there were none.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | March 14, 2014, 20:47 GMT

    They should have bring in jason roy

  • POSTED BY xylo on | March 14, 2014, 20:35 GMT

    Based on his Ashes' show, I thought Stokes was the next Flintoff. It looks like he is acting like Flintoff off the field too ;-)

  • POSTED BY on | March 14, 2014, 20:02 GMT

    I would say it's a stroke of brilliance by Stokes. ‪#‎WT20‬ is a huge tournament and no doubt Official England Cricket is already scouting for scapegoats to butcher when the tour goes south. By missing the tour and not failing in the spotlight, Stokes has made a career defining move. Considering what happened to Kevin Pietersen, playing for New Zealand Cricket might be even better for Ben Stokes' career!

  • POSTED BY on | March 14, 2014, 20:01 GMT

    England will feel so good by missing stokes for some time , below average player in bowling,batting,fielding

  • POSTED BY on | March 14, 2014, 19:48 GMT

    A good lesson for youngsters and beginners. To be a real cricketer you will have to learn a lot.

  • POSTED BY on | March 14, 2014, 19:44 GMT

    please some one remind ECB we are preparing for t20 world cup to 20 paramedic world cup Broad, Root, Stokes, who next Oh please no more

  • POSTED BY Back-Foot-Cringe on | March 14, 2014, 19:23 GMT

    Watched Stokes closely during Ashes in Oz. Superb century (though the only one claimed by the Poms) & some excellent bowling stints signalled the arrival of Botham 2.0. Or so it seemed.

    But again & again, the young ingenue got into jaw-jacking exchanges with Oz fielders & I thought, Uh-oh, we've got a hothead here.

    Cricket is as much a mental game as physical. Stokes has some gifts but until he gets some anger management therapy, the vagaries & foibles of The Game will undo him when things get tense.

    Can't do that if he wants a long, successful career in cricket.

    If this doesn't wake him up then he will not last.

  • POSTED BY skilebow on | March 14, 2014, 19:21 GMT

    TimmyFromTimbuktu - he didn't miss the locker so his aim seems fine.

    I think almost all cricketers (first class and amateur) have reacted with annoyance in similar ways. A bit silly really but we have all done it...although most don't hurt themselves in the process he's not the first

  • POSTED BY willsrustynuts on | March 14, 2014, 19:08 GMT

    You can't make this stuff up.

    An English Jesse Ryder, finding ways to ruin his career before it has even begun.

  • POSTED BY xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on | March 14, 2014, 19:08 GMT

    And some people think Warner had bad aim.

  • POSTED BY wapuser on | March 14, 2014, 18:53 GMT

    Don't think Stokes has the control in his bowling (or temper) to be much use to England in this format. Hopefully he'll develop into a decent allrounder, but his hype is bigger than his talent at this moment.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 14, 2014, 18:53 GMT

    I dont blame him. Poor chap was outwitted by a cleverly bowled slower ball. Nonetheless not a rational action.

  • POSTED BY on | March 14, 2014, 18:49 GMT

    Not sure Stokes is in England best subcontinent eleven, clearly England feel he is a player worth investing in for the future. They don't have much chance at this event so who not blood people for future ICC events. Woakes was playing well in Sri Lanka so should be resonantly acclimatised to the conditions.

    I feel England are short on a batsmen, Kieswetter played well in the English T20

  • POSTED BY on | March 14, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    Shame about the wrist but at least the rest of his body can heal after a tough winter, great to see Woakes get a chance after a very good A Tour in Sri Lanka,would play him ahead of Luke Wright.

  • POSTED BY Narkovian on | March 14, 2014, 18:39 GMT

    So. We are lead to believe Stokes had calmed down after his being sent home from a Tour a year ago, in disgrace for mis-behaviour. He seems to be an angry young man. Suggest he gets himself sorted out, or he'll become another for the scrapheap.

  • POSTED BY xtrafalgarx on | March 14, 2014, 18:35 GMT

    @AshesErnie: Yes, a few of those bloke had great starts to their careers, but invariably everyone has a rough trot, Hussey after two years of averaging 80 odd averaged 35 off for a year. Gilly went down the hill a bit after his first test tour of India. Don't know much o the other blokes you mentioned, but more than likely it's the same trend. When Stokes scored the 100 and took a 5fer, we said that he took to Itl cricket like a duck to water weren't we?

  • POSTED BY PPD123 on | March 14, 2014, 18:32 GMT

    This is like hitting an axe on your feet... how dumb can he be? Just before a world event, people would be conservative... and not foolhardy like this.

    Also, I dont think it will matter much to Eng, cos I dont think he would be an impact player in Subcontinental conditions.. not there yet...

    Anyways, till Jade Dernback is there in the side, Eng wont win anyways.... :-)

  • POSTED BY Jimmyrob83 on | March 14, 2014, 18:29 GMT

    The hype around this guy was ridiculous. He made a decent hundred in Perth, but apart from that he has looked quite limited.

  • POSTED BY SamWintson92 on | March 14, 2014, 18:26 GMT

    Continued... (Forgot to add)

    There's no Steven Finn as well, a quality wicket taking pacer. Napier & Mascarenhas provide experience medium pace with batting hitting ability. There's also batsman Gary Ballance.

  • POSTED BY SamWintson92 on | March 14, 2014, 18:14 GMT

    So, ''England without best batsman KP team'' overlooks KP again. Following are the players who've missed out WT20 selection who I feel could have been considered as per requirement:

    All Rounder: Azhar Mahmood (he qualifies for Eng), Willey (Injured ?) Pacer: Topley, Azharullah, Rankin Spinner: Graeme Write Batsman: Owais Shah, Kieswetter, Carberry & Kevin Pietersen !

  • POSTED BY DauD_ on | March 14, 2014, 18:12 GMT

    Behold, the Mitchell Johnson effect.

  • POSTED BY AshesErnie on | March 14, 2014, 18:11 GMT

    xtrafalgarx - M Hussey, Beefy, Azzar, Waqar, Gilly, Gower. No-one?

  • POSTED BY on | March 14, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    Well stated. He had a good time Australia, but now struggling to perform consistently at top level.

  • POSTED BY jb633 on | March 14, 2014, 17:56 GMT

    Of course we don't want to hear of injuries but if we are going to be honest Stokes has been nothing short of dreadful on these spinning decks and would most probably be a hinderance in BD.

  • POSTED BY skilebow on | March 14, 2014, 17:53 GMT

    Sums the last few months up for England really

  • POSTED BY xtrafalgarx on | March 14, 2014, 17:44 GMT

    Stokes finding it hard to deal with the fast descent from the top since scoring the century in Perth. He was talked up from all corners but now reality has settled in, no one just steps into International cricket and starts bossing the place.

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  • POSTED BY xtrafalgarx on | March 14, 2014, 17:44 GMT

    Stokes finding it hard to deal with the fast descent from the top since scoring the century in Perth. He was talked up from all corners but now reality has settled in, no one just steps into International cricket and starts bossing the place.

  • POSTED BY skilebow on | March 14, 2014, 17:53 GMT

    Sums the last few months up for England really

  • POSTED BY jb633 on | March 14, 2014, 17:56 GMT

    Of course we don't want to hear of injuries but if we are going to be honest Stokes has been nothing short of dreadful on these spinning decks and would most probably be a hinderance in BD.

  • POSTED BY on | March 14, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    Well stated. He had a good time Australia, but now struggling to perform consistently at top level.

  • POSTED BY AshesErnie on | March 14, 2014, 18:11 GMT

    xtrafalgarx - M Hussey, Beefy, Azzar, Waqar, Gilly, Gower. No-one?

  • POSTED BY DauD_ on | March 14, 2014, 18:12 GMT

    Behold, the Mitchell Johnson effect.

  • POSTED BY SamWintson92 on | March 14, 2014, 18:14 GMT

    So, ''England without best batsman KP team'' overlooks KP again. Following are the players who've missed out WT20 selection who I feel could have been considered as per requirement:

    All Rounder: Azhar Mahmood (he qualifies for Eng), Willey (Injured ?) Pacer: Topley, Azharullah, Rankin Spinner: Graeme Write Batsman: Owais Shah, Kieswetter, Carberry & Kevin Pietersen !

  • POSTED BY SamWintson92 on | March 14, 2014, 18:26 GMT

    Continued... (Forgot to add)

    There's no Steven Finn as well, a quality wicket taking pacer. Napier & Mascarenhas provide experience medium pace with batting hitting ability. There's also batsman Gary Ballance.

  • POSTED BY Jimmyrob83 on | March 14, 2014, 18:29 GMT

    The hype around this guy was ridiculous. He made a decent hundred in Perth, but apart from that he has looked quite limited.

  • POSTED BY PPD123 on | March 14, 2014, 18:32 GMT

    This is like hitting an axe on your feet... how dumb can he be? Just before a world event, people would be conservative... and not foolhardy like this.

    Also, I dont think it will matter much to Eng, cos I dont think he would be an impact player in Subcontinental conditions.. not there yet...

    Anyways, till Jade Dernback is there in the side, Eng wont win anyways.... :-)