New Zealand in West Indies 2014

Doosra to be discussed with match referee - Hesson

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June 7, 2014

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New Zealand coach Mike Hesson has said his team will seek clarifications from the match referee on how West Indies offspinner Shane Shillingford's illegal deliveries are policed. Shillingford, who was suspended during the tour of New Zealand after both his conventional offspinner and the doosra were found to be breaching the 15-degree flex limit, will be playing his first international match after remedial work on his action. His doosra, though, remains illegal.

"It's quite hard to see how they actually police that," Hesson said. "It's all very well saying it, but do they call a batsman back if he bowls a doosra? It's going to be an interesting discussion with the match referee."

"Same with [Marlon] Samuels, he's not allowed to bowl a quicker ball so we'll certainly get some clarification on those two things."

Shillingford was reported during the second Test against India, in Mumbai, in November, and following testing was suspended in New Zealand in December. It was the second time he had been suspended due to an illegal action. Subsequent testing on March 4, again at the University of Western Australia in Perth, showed that his offspinner and straighter ball were within the regulations after remedial work. On his return, he grabbed 11 wickets in a first-class game at the Sabina Park, which also hosts the first Test, and Hesson remains wary of the threat.

"He'll get more bounce and turn over here whereas in New Zealand they tended to slide on a lot more," Hesson said. "Shillingford seems to be their first-choice spinner, and [left-armer] Sulieman Benn is back in favour. None of our guys have faced a lot of him and, with his bounce and his height, he's going to ask some different questions."

While West Indies' spinners are likely to pose a lot of problems for the visitors, New Zealand's batsmen will also have to contend with a stronger pace attack compared to what they faced at home. The return of Kemar Roach, who had been sidelined last season with a shoulder injury, comes as a boost to the home side.

"It was excruciating pain, but I believe I am back now, and close to my best," Roach said. "I just want to continue this form and go out in the park and give it a good shot."

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Posted by Slogger_John on (June 8, 2014, 17:17 GMT)

Throwing IMO is the second biggest threat to cricket (after fixing). Chucking must be called on the field - otherwise you can change your action during testing which numerous bowlers have done. If not, how do you explain that they pass testing and then immediately get reported again. When it is called on the field, that is the end of it.

Some people complain cricket favours the bat - if you want a fair competition between bat and ball, here are three simple ideas:

1) Push boundaries back rather than shortening them to let mediocre players smash 6's 2) Limit the size of bats. When inside edges go for 6 there is a problem. Thinner bats with less wood would bring bowlers back into it and stop mediocre players smashing 6's 3) Add zip to pitches - spinning/green on D1 is OK (although not too much - we want 4-5 days of cricket if possible). 600 vs. 600 is not good cricket.

The ICC run FIFA very close for being the most disgraceful sporting body in the world, so nothing will be done

Posted by   on (June 8, 2014, 14:22 GMT)

Action in a laboratory and the cricket field need not be the same. In the lab, the bowler is aware that he is being tested for clearance and/or correction. Hence he will be careful. In the field, in the heat of the competition, his mindset will be something else! Unless it is SO OBVIOUS, the filed umpires, who are tasked with monitoring so many variables can NOT do this additional policing.

We should all go back to the good old 'straight arm' bowling. Or, allow everything, including blatant chucking(?) There is no way we can live with this sham of a half-way-house, where many modern day big names in bowling are unfairly thriving.

Posted by bobmartin on (June 8, 2014, 14:12 GMT)

@ThatsJustCricket " It is impossible to bowl the doosra without any flex in the arm, but, practiced properly, it can be bowled with a flex less than 15 degrees. And, that, my friend, is allowed by the laws." Wrong !!! It is NOT allowed by the Laws... LAW 24.3 which states "Definition of fair delivery - the arm A ball is fairly delivered in respect of the arm if, once the bowler's arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing, the elbow joint is not straightened partially or completely from that point until the ball has left the hand. This definition shall not debar a bowler from flexing or rotating the wrist in the delivery swing." The 15 degree straightening allowance was introduced as a playing condition/rule by the ICC... not by the MCC who are the guardians of the Laws.. So it's the ICC who have effectively condoned throwing...

Posted by ThatsJustCricket on (June 8, 2014, 13:46 GMT)

@Daniel Powell : that's precisely the point. It is impossible to bowl the doosra without any flex in the arm, but, practiced properly, it can be bowled with a flex less than 15 degrees. And, that, my friend, is allowed by the laws. @BRUTALANALYST : that answers your question as well. Bowlers who are able to bowl the doosra within the 15 degree flex are okay, others are not. Funnily enough, it's the countries who do not have a good enough bowler to bowl them cry foul about it.

Posted by flowersintherain on (June 8, 2014, 13:08 GMT)

This sounds like a bit of gamesmanship by New Zealand before the series begins. Just get on with the game, please.

Posted by haq33 on (June 8, 2014, 13:06 GMT)

Here is a crazy idea. Allow umpires to do their jobs instead of seeking clarification on what will be done in possible scenarios which have not yet transpired. As a professional coach or sportsman, you have to assume the other players will not cheat and you have to assume the umpire will do his job. To "seek clarificaton" in this way is tantamount to accusation of something that has not yet happened.

Posted by Rahul_78 on (June 8, 2014, 5:55 GMT)

There is no way to monitor the flex/bend in the arm during the match situation. Technology has not evolved that much. Only way to do it is to simulate the same scenarios as of the bio-mechanical labs during the match which will include asking the bowler to bowl without his shirt on. Hence practically it is not possible. ICC has only 2 options at the moment. The 1st one is ban doosra and ask umpires to label it as a no ball if it is bowled. Second and more sensible option is to increase the current degree of flex from 15 to may be 20-25 degrees and allow the bowlers to bowl the doosra. The game has grown obscenely in the favor of the batsmen with field restrictions, heavy bats, flat pitches and short boundaries. Specially finger spinners have been affected most by ICC's appalling decision to use to new balls in ODI's . Hence even though it may sound outrageous to traditionalists and pundits there is no harm in allowing bowlers to bowl doosra by giving them some more leeway.

Posted by Timmuh on (June 7, 2014, 23:12 GMT)

Carl Jacb "The umpires call and signal 'No Ball' immediately . Isn't that the law , instead of just singing for their supper . " That is the law, and the standard Test playing conditions do not appear to over-ride it. The problem is umpires are very reluctant to do so, and applying the laws of the game is likely to see an umpire removed from the international panel.

Posted by   on (June 7, 2014, 16:45 GMT)

As a bowler, I had no doubts whether my delivery was legal or not. If bowlers choose to chuck, they should be penalized. The only way to do this is based on computer analysis because the Umpire has too many things to do at the moment of delivery -- much better to make a huge penalty (like 30 runs) for every illegal delivery based on computer analysis.

Posted by   on (June 7, 2014, 15:49 GMT)

The umpires call and signal 'No Ball' immediately . Isn't that the law , instead of just singing for their supper .

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