Twenty20 World Cup 2009 June 14, 2009

Gul deserves praise not suspicion

Umar Gul's outstanding performance against New Zealand was notable for his mastery of line and length
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Umar Gul's outstanding performance against New Zealand was notable for his mastery of line and length. It wasn't notable for its extravagant reverse swing. Gul has every right to claim that he has become the leading exponent of Twenty20 fast bowling. He was formidable in South Africa two years ago and he is so again.

Gul's brilliance is his ability to bowl his chosen length at will, either yorker, back of a length, or on a good length. He rarely errs by bowling a half volley. At the death, this predominantly yorker attack has become almost impossible to plunder runs off. This is the result of years of hard work and battle against injury. Gul is an intelligent bowler with absolute control over his armoury.

Hence, the whiff of suspicion created by Daniel Vettori and some journalists is a disgrace. Why is it that when a man in green produces something special the immediate reaction is to cast doubt on that achievement? If it had been another country then the issue would not even have been raised.

Grow up boys, we've had twenty years of this nonsense and we're sick and tired of it. Your sour grapes have become rancid.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • Awais on June 19, 2009, 21:07 GMT

    Totally agree with Chris and Kamran Abbassi. One should take Vettori's words as commendation. He was just praising Umar gul by expressing his amazement on the possiblility of reverse swing after ten overs. "Umar" !! you just keep your nose to the grindstone and thousands of such praises will keep coming your way in future. God bless you

  • khalid on June 19, 2009, 20:31 GMT

    Being a pakistani living in New Zealand, it really feels bad to hear such comments from a respectable cricketer like vetori. I think he and other who doubted GULL should have the decency to apologize to him Gull looks like an asutralian born in pakistan he has never involved in any wrong doing he works so hard and i have seen him playing criket in peshwar with tennis ball bowling fast bare feet,,, he is a man who has worked really hard to get to this points so please do not doubt his love and hard work for the game.

  • Owais on June 17, 2009, 18:08 GMT

    Please listen to David Lloyd's audio today, June 17th where he says Pakistan is 100% clean and Pakistani team deserves a PUCLIC APPOLOGY for this totally uncalled for suggested accusations by Vettori.

  • Rahman on June 17, 2009, 14:06 GMT

    well said kamran mia..umer just rocked the nz,, ha has done that before and vettori wanted to save his skin fm the lose made umar the scape goat..bt its really razzak n afridi who made nz look lik minnows wit ther bowlings.. n umar just took 2wickets at the later half.. will vettori say the same had it been brett lee..unfortunately its england and the bowler had to be umar gul...even the last match the srilankan spinner spun web over the nz batsmen to take last 6 wickets for 17 runs y cant they complain of malinga[he really chucks] cos he cant blame the spinners or vettori is out of words...

    pls...u white players grow... afterall swing is an art ask shane bond and simon doull great swing bowlers fm nz... vettori are u listening...

  • Qaisrani on June 17, 2009, 11:14 GMT

    Well said Gerrystackle that Dan is not Ricky Ponting and that is perhaps the reason that many serious Pak fans of cricket are concerned about his way of thinking. Dan should have known that ball swings alot when it is warm and sunny in England ( Please refer to the comments made by various fast bowlers in commentary). We as big supporters of cricket are not against Kiwi fans or cricketers. However, such things can make a strong impact sepcially under the prevailing harsh time for Pak cricket. Gul has proved that he stands alone and up-head in the community of fast bowlers in this T20 world cup.

  • Faizaan on June 17, 2009, 5:38 GMT

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  • Gerrystackle on June 16, 2009, 23:49 GMT

    Further to my previous comment - Dan's comments following the Sri Lanka game praise the bowler, Mendis, and yet again he blasts his own batsmen for being inpet....and rightly so.

    NZ cricket has offered to host 'home' matches for Pakistan cricket given the unfortunate situation of them not playing in Pakistan currently. I certainly hope that this does not get in the way of any potential agreement as it would be a priviledge to host Pakistan and one I am sure the Kiwi public would enjoy.

    Kia ora.

  • Gerrystackle on June 16, 2009, 23:44 GMT

    Judging from some of the additional responses on this Blog I wish to re-assure the vast multitude of Pakistani fans that the majority of NZ players and supporters respect and admire the long history of exceptional talent that has come from Pakistan over the years. I know for a fact, as I am one of them, that some of our favourite players over time have come from your country - in my case Waqar Younis & Javed Miandad. Please dont belief for a moment that race, culture etc is any reason for issues between these two sporting teams. As I have mentioned before, NZ is nowhere near as strong in cricket as Pakistan, India etc etc. Our players continue to be challanged by, and admire, the abilities of your natural sportsmen. The reality is that most kiwi cricketers have to work very hard for their talents so when we come up against talent such as Gul, Waqar, Shoaib etc etc they always seem to get the better of us.

    We lost to Sri Lanka today - please note Dan's comments following this loss.

  • Fizzi on June 16, 2009, 15:59 GMT

    So Kiwis lost another game to a masterful performance by another asian team... i wonder who Kiwis are going to blame this time??.... perhaps Murali's bended his arm more than 15 degrees!!!

  • Zulfiqar on June 16, 2009, 11:57 GMT

    NZ shouldn't blame others for inability of their own team. Someone please tell Vettori to work hard and not to make lame excuses for his defeat.

  • Zulfiqar on June 16, 2009, 11:56 GMT

    NZ shouldn't blame others for inability of their own team. Someone please tell Vettori to work hard and not to make lame excuses for his defeat.

  • roomi on June 16, 2009, 11:26 GMT

    to Mr.Vinegar. Dignity should be shown in losing first. What about the "state of the ball" Is it a secret of some kind??? In these days of close up tv coverage and ball being examined after every over. When officials rejected Vettori n Kiwi's case it is being "leaked" to certain members of British press to say that privately they are "disturbed" ofcourse Pakistani fans feel angry cos for two years they have had little cricket and when they come and play brilliantly gloss is taken off by such slanderous accusations and paranoid whispers. Surely its whingeing and in bad taste.

  • Ahmed Zaheer on June 16, 2009, 9:47 GMT

    What to talk of a cricket ball, Pakistani bowlers can destroy the Kiwi batting line even bowling with an apple. The Kiwis have no clue how to play quality pace bowling and history is a testament to that. New Zealanders are being nothing but sour losers.

  • Kamran on June 16, 2009, 9:22 GMT

    Well well well,here we are again, to the distasteful and unpleasant familiar zone, and I am more than surprised to see a seasoned player like Vettori doing this.It wouldn't have been a surprise coming from Aussies,English or even Indians but from the Kiwis it's a pity surely.People here have been very right in mentioning Gul taking wickets more with his deadly accuracy than reverse swing and as far as I can perceive the swing wasn't as violent as we normally see at the death overs in a 50 over game.Vettori is just trying to hide his team's inability to tackle the Pakistan bowling well,who had already done a fair bit of damage before Gul came in to bowl.Kiwis couldn't even play the spin well, seems they are jolted by such a big loss keeping in view their "favorites" tag.Grow up kids and have the heart of accepting a defeat, am sure former Kiwi cricketers would sure condemn Vettori's stance here as I have always found them fair and honest.

  • Aimnov on June 16, 2009, 8:20 GMT

    first of all congrats Pakistan. We reached Semi Finals... Yayyyyy!

    secondly, amazing bowling Gull you definately amazed the frustrated Vetori like anything :)

    'since the experience vetori said that within 12 overs a balls swinging in and out was new to us' lol

    best of luck Gul and the rest stars... love you all!

    Pakistan, Xindabad

  • Haroun Rashid on June 16, 2009, 8:06 GMT

    Vettori, by making base crybaby insinuations instead of appreciating an awesome bowling performance has damaged himself more than Gul. To rephrase Geoff Boycott's words on Waqar and Wasim at their peak--" Gul could have bowled New Zealand out with an orange."

  • Younas Iqbal Qazi on June 16, 2009, 7:35 GMT

    Well, what vettori said was mere attepmt to "suger Coat" the horrible loss of his team. Umar Gul is sheer talent and the best in T20 business. It is quite easy to say that when he bulldozed the kiwi line up, it was always on the cards that the kiwiws will raise hue and cry. Lets face it Kiwiws have a very very mediocre batting. "Wind Always Blows in Favor of ablest navigator". Against Ireland Gul was again on target and bowled really very well.

    A request: If you are not as gifted as umar gul is and dont have any Gifted players in your team, like Gul, Afridi, Ajmal, razzaq, plz dont blame others abilities, do some sould searching, thats where the answer lies.

    Pakistan have marched on in to the semis and little doubt of a repeatition of 1992. Guys bear in mind, in semis, newzealand then were undefeated as South Africa, untill pakistan came along. So Fingers Crossed, Tha Pakistanis are back with a bang! By the Grace of Almighty, we expect sensational results!!!!

  • Muhammad Tariq on June 16, 2009, 6:56 GMT

    Absolutely right. All of us now should back PCB its too much now. someone has rightly said that if simon jones do the reverse swing, its an art but when any pakistani do the become cheating. its started right from Sarfaraz Nawaz, Imran Khan, the Two W's and now Umar Gul. its not fair rather its a shame for the whole word. why? i ask why. Pakistan is already suffering from so many issues like terrorism. This cricket gave some relaxation and some satisfaction to everyone but when Mr. Vetorri made some stupid comments about Umar Gul best bowling. Listen everyone Pakistan is a great nation which have great people. we are not cheater nor terrorists. but how can we explain it to everyone? i don't know.............

  • Taufique Ahmed on June 16, 2009, 6:45 GMT

    Pakistan should firmly ask Vittori to prvide the proof confirming his so called unofficial concerns which he was conveniently so eager to share with the media.If he fails to do that PCB should seriously consider taking legal action against him for character assassination/ defamation against Umer Gul by making unsubstantiated allegations.This will be the only sure way to stop bullies and wretched losers like him to blame their opponents for their inadequacy whenever things do not go their way. Just look at the result so far of PCB's threat of legal action against ICC in relation to the fiasco over the coming world cup.

  • Wasim on June 16, 2009, 6:39 GMT

    Vettori used this petty tactic to put Gul and Pakistan team under pressure several times during the match the ball was changed but the outcome remained the same, can you imagine the ball was changed several times during the Kiwi innings just because the batsmen were complaining.

    Who is the cheat over here?

    Vettori is a renowned sore loser probably tomorrow when his team will be knocked out of the tournament he will accuse Malinga and Murali of chucking.

  • S Vinegar on June 16, 2009, 6:28 GMT

    What exactly is wrong with Vettori asking the umpires to check the state of the ball? He's the captain, the umpires enforce the rules. He's within his rights to ask them to investigate whether the ball appears to have been tampered or not. The umpires and match referee said there was no evidence of tampering, and that was that.

    Instead of descending into floods of tears and outraged fist waving (what's next - a Vettori effigy burning?), why not celebrate the win with some humility and grace?

  • mka on June 16, 2009, 6:13 GMT

    After reading what what Vettori has to say about Umar Gul's bowling. I can only say "Vettori you are a SHITBAG and only shit comes out of that".

  • Mudassar Siddiq on June 16, 2009, 5:55 GMT

    Now here is the time for the people sitting in the PCB chairs to come up and support the players. We, as fans of pakistan cricket, can not tolerate these kinds of allegations going un attended by the officials.

  • @Noon on June 16, 2009, 5:18 GMT

    Well .... Mr. Abassi there is an old Urdu saying "BUD AACHA, BADNAM BURA" "means (if you are caught once for a wrong doing, you will always be blamed for it even if you didn't do it)" ... this is the case for Pakistan as you just pointed out. Roughing up the ball was never cheating, same is done in baseball. Its just they could not handle the reverse swing and they made laws against it. Why not let everyone do it and lets see what teams come up with. May be a "Reverse Bounce" GOD KNOWS. but still KIWIS would complain. They are like those kids "who don't have it and cant stand other kids who have it. All the -ve antics of Aussies, Brits, SA and KIWIS are "OK" as long as they win the game. Pakistanis are born crickets and on the other hand those poor (KIWI) chaps have to work round the clock to learn new techniques. I would suggest Team Pakistan to simply ignore such comments and continue with the brilliance they have mustered in the recent days.

    GOOD LUCK, Team Pakistan

  • Usman T on June 16, 2009, 5:12 GMT

    Well it wasn't an innocent comment or praise misinterpreted, a complaint was made to match refree. What is funny though that is i didnt think there was major reverse swing. Alex brown article is different story, it did change , incase this post gets edited, type the title of the article "The confounding Mr Gul" in google, look for the article in cricinfo and click on "cached" to get old version.

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  • Mahmood Khan on June 16, 2009, 4:24 GMT

    well.....i just wana say few lines about VETORI.. before his comments about UMAR GUL..i like him as a player and as a person..but now i have no respect for him....instead of praising his great effort he was like trying to blame his team failure...it's simply ridiculas. he is no more my favourite player.

  • haris ibrahim on June 16, 2009, 3:56 GMT

    Yes, it is enough. PCB should also pay heed on this issues why it is always been green men are pointed out and seen with doubt eyes while holding their pure natural talent and then consistency of hard work which sharpen their skills. If Eng,NZ,Aus or even Ind are unaware of this art they should admire it and try to learn it other than raising question on their performance and that would be even better for them and to this game as well for producing innovation in Cricket.

    Go Pak----> Go Gul---->

  • Ashraf on June 16, 2009, 3:43 GMT

    This was very shameful and discouraging remarks put by New Zealand captain after defeat. I wonder why teams like Australia, New Zealand after defeat posted comments like this. When Australia continuously winning the matches no one argued or asked about the ball tampering or illegal actions, WHY? It means when they were wining all are fair but when other teams win against them they burst at them. This is really painful and shameful as if they do not know the art of reverse swing then it is their ineligibility.

    I want to question and need answer positively from the commentators or Analyst that when England won Ashes and beat Australia then England’s bowler had done this with an art of reverse swing, all clearly stated it was an art but when Asian team do this they said it is ball tampering or illegal action, WHY? ICC should take strict action against NEW ZEALAND captain and should ban for a year or do some strict measures in order to discourage false statments.

  • Mehreen on June 16, 2009, 3:39 GMT

    This is just a strategy to evoke unrest and mental chaos in the Pakistan camp. They have done it before and they are doing it now. So its not a new thing. At the moment, all Pakistanis should pray that this ugly episode does not, in any way, affect the performance and current momentum and harmomy of the Pakistan team.

  • Gerrystackle on June 16, 2009, 3:22 GMT

    Wow - I am astounded of the amount of vitriol directed toward Dan Vettori. I do agree that Pakistan has had the raw end of the deal in recent times; but Dan's statement did not say that he thought Gul (who is a very good bowler) was cheating. He asked the umpires at the time to check the ball - they did and they were happy with it - so Dan and the rest of the team moved on. He also praised Gul's bowling....this has been blown out of all proportion (mainly by the media). Some of the comments in response to this blog are quite aggressive towards NZ; there is no need for that. We have been Pakistan's whipping boys for years - and will likely to continue to be so. I do hope many of these wonderfully passionate Pakistani fans (who are great for the game that you and I love)get over these chips that are on their shoulders.

    My pick is Pakistan will win this competition because of that talents like Mr Gul.

    Everyone knows Dan Vettori is nothing like Ricky Ponting!

  • Ata on June 16, 2009, 3:17 GMT

    Rightly but Mr. Abbasi... O.. Some ppl are such cry babies... if they cant produce a bowler of the class of Gul then the least they can do is not talk such rubish about him and save themselves some dignity....

  • naren on June 16, 2009, 0:34 GMT

    I feel sorry for Paki's. Lets give credit when its due...Gul is a genuine talent. As Vettori him self said...he just doesn't understand! Please don't read between the lines people.

  • Zain on June 15, 2009, 23:34 GMT

    Mike Atherton when Captain of England was caught red handed with “dirt in the pocket” which he admitted he was using to alter the ball. Other bowlers from the ”white” countries have been caught and admitted to using jels, mints, and creams for the same purpose. SO where are the accusations and the crucifcations in their case? Where was this holier than the pope press calling for reviews and censures then?

    Why is it that when white players like Danny Morrison, Simon Jones, Brett lee reverse swing they are hailed as heroes and its called skill and when a Pakistan player does it he is called a cheat?

    Pakistani bowlers of the past & present have been incorrectly, unjustly and unfairly maligned and vilified by the white press simply because these ppl just can’t take losing and losing in that destructive manner by Pakistani teams. They couldn’t take it then and they can’t take it now.

  • Zain on June 15, 2009, 23:33 GMT

    2. To all those people (this time all white) who have implied that Pakistan deserves this treatment because their retired stars have either been caught cheating, have admitted to cheating or been censured for cheating:

    Get real please and know your facts before you shoot you mouth off. No Pakistani player has ever been punished or caught for cheating.

    Imran Khan accepted that he used bottle tops and nails to alter the ball during a time when doctoring the ball was a common thing practiced by each and every bowler from each and every country of the time. Please have a look at the old videos from the 70’s and the 80’s every bowler used to pick the seam from the balls in all forms of cricket And this was all live on TV.!!! Can any bowler pick the seam now?

    Bowlers like Chris Pringle, Botham, Hadlee, Holdings have all admitted to such ball tampering.

  • Zain on June 15, 2009, 23:27 GMT

    1. To all those people (mostly white) who have claimed that there was no malice or accusation against Gul in the comments and words uttered by Vettori and who have chastised Kamran and the Pakistani fans for creating an unnecessary fuss:

    For the record please understand that Vetorri did indeed make a formal complaint and inquiry against Gul.

    “Stop embarrassing Pakistan - Younis Andrew Miller and George Binoy June 15, 2009

    “Vettori confirmed that he had "raised a couple of concerns" with the on-field umpires and the match referee, Ranjan Madugalle…..”

    This is a quote from the cricinfo site and article that confirms that the malicious controversy was indeed deliberately stirred and started by the NZ captain after NZ were humiliated in yet another world cup match by the Pakistanis.

    Also Sanjay Manjreakr also tried stirring things up and he started talking about how there is speculation that Gul cheated. This happed while he was doing live commentary on TV during the Pak v IRE match and Wasim Akram was with him and he shut up him right away. Manjrekar did this deliberately so he could make Gul and the Pakistan team look bad. There was no need for him to bring it up during a live match being watched by billions of people all over the world especially when the match referee had cleared it up 2 days ago!!!!

    So please refrain from passing judgment on the reaction of the Pakistani fans. They are rightly justified in voicing their displeasure over yet another “western / white” attempt to malign and embarrass the Pakistan Team.

    Do not try to justify or gloss over the words and actions of the NZ caption who has behaved in a most childish & unprofessional manner. He has clearly depicted to the entire world what a sore loser & cry baby he is. This is simply a case of sour grapes.

  • DeadPinkOwl on June 15, 2009, 22:55 GMT

    Anyone still doubting Vettori's intention just go and look at the Cricket section of Guardian. NZ's are starting to look ugly now. The accusations a flying now from their side and Younus has had to offer an explanation. Its a shame that instead of celebrating a unique art in cricket all the white boys can come up with is this nonsense they cannot backup with proof like Daryl Hair and keep forgeting the Tony Griegs, Lindwalls, Pringles, Athertons, Chappels (the list goes on.....) of their side! I'll be rooting for SL tommorow (something I always do as long as they're not playing Pakistan). I hope they wallop the crybabies just as we did (bit of reverse swing from Malinga would be really tasty).

  • Faisal Taquie on June 15, 2009, 22:02 GMT

    Here we go again! Another team unable to face the Pak pace attack and another allegation! If Pakistan causes a collapse, its gotta be cheating and what not, if NZ, Aussies, and RSA cause batting collapse, it is an art! Shame of ICC for not fining Mr. Vettori. ICC should create strict rules that anyone (coach, captain, etc.) who is assoicated with the team in official capacity accuses the other of cheating, he would be severely punished unless they have really good proof. Yunus is correct, stop embarrasing Pakistan and just learn to play. I know who I am supporting now for the SL vs NZ match. In fact, NZ only made it to the second round by beating Scotland in a rain reduced match. If the full play was allowed, we would have had Scotland in NZ's place in the Super 8's!

  • roomi on June 15, 2009, 21:49 GMT

    Those who think Vettori didnt "imply" improper means need to see and hear the tone and tenor of his ungracious interview and it has been confirmed that he had approached th umpires and the match refree in the days of Close tv coverage and at a time ball is inspected after every over. On top of that read sports pages. Guardian UK has a headline "Pakistan face of ball tampering" Quoting although the match refree and umpires showed no interst in New zeland claims they seem very "Distrubed". Pure hear say n casting doubts on an amazing performing. Its definitely a case of Sour grapes not just by Newzeland but sections of British Press who since the time of Imran Wasim and Waqar have casted doubts on Pakistani bowlers, Umpires, Pitches, tours etc. It was a definite case of "Guilty by implication"

  • Wajahat Khan on June 15, 2009, 21:07 GMT

    Shame on Vettori... Everyone become mad after defeat like that.. Gul is the great fast bowler of the world..it was not cheating, it was a same situation that Kiwis has always lost from Pakistan in every big tournaments...so thatz why they have been mad and warmed,,, hahaha....Keep assure Vettori... ;)

  • Azhar Khan on June 15, 2009, 21:02 GMT

    When rashid latif calim catch and batsman was given out, so rashid was called cheater and banned and then out from international cricket. but when Collingwood did same on Mohd Yousf where he was not out but given out , then no action were taken against collingwood. So i think its use who are not strong enought to raise such issues. Like PCB i guess would never raise WC 2011 issue unless Aysan Mani interfere. So point is that our media, editors , management, players they should be strong enough to reply such rubiish comments. PCB should complain to ICC of this reaction of Vetoori.

    Anyways Kamran great work, you are publishing our feelings. Well Done.

  • wanderer on June 15, 2009, 20:09 GMT

    And just to put the issue to rest, MS Dhoni the India captain himself in a post match press conference said that England had bowled well late on with their "REVERSE SWING". Yes, folks reverse swing in a 20/20 is possible. Obviously when people start treating a 19 year old Wayne Parnell's comments that the white ball doesn't swing in English conditions, I mean it must be true. Of course Parnell is a world expert on these issues and an authoritative source with his wealth of experience. Forget the fact that we've all witnessed the white ball swinging, no, Parnell is correct and everyone is wrong.

    And just to finish, Gul went and did it again, against Ireland. Rest in Peace, ball tampering allegations, you died too soon.

  • Alam on June 15, 2009, 19:54 GMT

    Well said Kamran Bhai, it was very pleasing to read this article and I hope you continue to keep this issue going. Its about time that Pakistanis stood up to this nonsense that is carried out in the English media against our cricketers. I was very impressed with Younis Khan's response although I disagree with him explaining about the reverse swing. Why should we have to prove our innocence instead of these evil minds proving their suspicion.

    For years we have been targeted with malice about our skills, whereas England were held in high esteem when their bowlers finally mastered this art and uprooted the Aussie batsmen in the 2005 ashes.

    I hope you continue to raise this topic in the upcoming weeks so that this element in the media that is always trying to embarrass Pakistan cricket is exposed. Thank you again.

  • Manson on June 15, 2009, 19:32 GMT

    Murali's a chucker, Shoaib's a Chucker, Wasim, Waqar and now Gul are all cheaters? EVERY time South Asian players come with something special and make non-South Asians team's game miserable, they come up with the "cheating" theory. Yet it's the same technique they pick up years later. They just fail to acknowledge that South Asians players are way ahead of them in inventions of Cricket weaponry. It's not anything new. That's what they said about Imran, Wasim and Waqar.

  • sana ullah on June 15, 2009, 19:25 GMT

    what a mess Mr Vetorri.We thought that greatness lies in accepting the defeat and praising the better team but sorry to say that your had such a bad attitude when it comes to accept a defeat.It has been two days now and people all over the world have seen that match so many times. It is time for you (Mr Vettori) to say I am sorry to raise my concerns and oppologise to Pakistan and team pakistan and accept that they better team on that day.

  • Imran on June 15, 2009, 19:04 GMT

    Jeff Lawson, a commentator on the match, said he even saw Kiwi bowlers to get a bit of reverse swing when they bowled full. Umar was better than them and got more due to his length. I honestly believe that Vettori was probably awstruck but Engish &Indian media blew it out of proportion. One should keep in mind it always starts in England. England is already scared of rejuvenated Pakistani team and have already started what they are best at.. negative propaganda (using othere name.) I hope west indies send them home today!

  • Farhan on June 15, 2009, 19:00 GMT

    Nobody has directly accused Umar Gull. He is not a great exponent of reverse swing. As far as reversing the ball after 12 overs is concerned, then I have seen Darren Gough and Andrew Flintoff do that as well (within 15 overs).This means they are talented! And yes, its sad to give such innuendos (even if its unofficial or casual); Bulk of Gull's wicket are due to his accurate line and length. We saw it again today vs Ireland. He has an impeccable record in T20 format with leading wickets and an economy below 6.0 -

  • Blue Lake on June 15, 2009, 18:45 GMT

    C'mmon folks ... chill... just go ahead and ignore those LOSERS!!! They just can't seem to keep cornerd tigers in the cage for too long...

  • Ray on June 15, 2009, 18:27 GMT

    Initially I thought what some other folks have wrote, that Vetorri was just impressed by Gul's bowling. And truly that's what the post match talk seemed like. But now there are posts showing that he did in fact file a complaint which was ruled out because of lack of evidence. And Vetorri has it behind him he says. So, maybe people should focu on the game and forget this not very pleasant episode. I hope Pakistan doesn't face South Africa in the semis! I am Pakistan's fan by the way.

  • Saeed Rahman on June 15, 2009, 17:57 GMT

    Here we go again a Pakistani bowler can only produce such good results if he is cheating. Grow up guys nobody was concerned when Pakistan was on the loosing end as soon as the team starts gelling and becomes a threat something like this has to be brought up to distract it. Mr.Vettori if you have proof of the serious allegation that you are making then please produce it otherwise do not run off your mouth. Your team was missing at least two key players and the best you could aome up with was that Pakistan was cheating! Come on come up with something better than that to justify your loss....

  • Stef on June 15, 2009, 17:40 GMT

    From a Kiwi fan... Gul was too good for us, that's it. BUT Pakistan fans -- don't get too precious about this. Bit of an over-reaction on here from a lot of Pakistan fans. You have a great chance in this tournament. Concentrate on that.

  • dr kamran on June 15, 2009, 16:31 GMT

    now this is the time pakistan team and officials should realize the gravity of situation and seek an apology for the comment.time and time we have been hearing the same old stories about pkistanis bowler's tampering with the ball.instead of appreaciating the sheer talented guy they are pointing fingers.shame on you vettori. had this done by any other bowler of the world,they will just bow infront of him.i even feel sorry for the poor pakistani for letting this thing happened and not getting the proper response from the cricket world..

  • Muhammad Ammad Javed on June 15, 2009, 16:08 GMT

    you are absolutely 100 % right sir. Whenever a Pakistani player gave an outstanding performance they always doubt about him irrespective of his hardwork so this is thinking situation for all of us. best of luck umer gul and keep it up...................

  • Rauf on June 15, 2009, 16:07 GMT

    @PS

    Last time I checked, making an informal approach to an umpire to lodge a complaint against a player on the opposite side is not exactly "congratulating" the other player. This is what Vettori did. Please follow the articles on Cricinfo. You may call it making mountain out of a molehill if the bogus accusation was hurled once or twice but this is now as frequent as a Pakistani bowler taking 5 for.

  • Saad K on June 15, 2009, 15:50 GMT

    I really hate such excuses...NZ should accept the fact that Pakistan has trashed them badly and now their chances of reaching the semis are thin. There is absoluetly no point critizing the bowler...NZ should appreciate the talent Pakistan have and train their bowlers to bowl like Umer Gul!

  • Robert on June 15, 2009, 15:48 GMT

    Well I'd have asked the same question of anyone that was doing that with the ball - mostly because it was unbelievable stuff. Once okay'd it was over. Vetori isn't one to be mean... but simply questioned the state of the ball.

    Big deal? No... it's not like they docked you 5 runs and enforced the change of the ball ;)

  • miss parmar on June 15, 2009, 15:20 GMT

    even as an indian that is disappointed with our performance, i must say that it is definitely jealousy. same thing happened with W and W and reverse swing. we may be out but good luck to you, especially after this!!!!

  • Abas on June 15, 2009, 14:51 GMT

    And to everyone who's saying that Pakistanis are overreacting and there's nothing wrong with what Vettori said then there IS an article on cricinfo now and also some other websites. So that proves that we're not overreacting. This is not the first time it's been done to us. What y'all need to admit is that Pakistan's got great talent and on their good day, they can be dangerous.

  • PS on June 15, 2009, 14:42 GMT

    This is just a mountain being made out of a molehill. Can anyone else say that the ball moving after so few overs is common? Some of you seem to have not even bothered reading the actual quotes, in which Vettori congratulated Gul on a fantastic display. It's a shame that a lot of people seem to be pointing fingers instead of sitting back and appreciating what a fine spell of bowling it really was.

  • Abas on June 15, 2009, 14:35 GMT

    Cricket is a gentleman's game and they need to decide if they wanna play with barbie dolls or cricket balls. I'm not angry at all but it's honestly getting ridiculous now. Every series, Pakistanis have to put up with such baseless allegations. Just before this series, Australians reported Ajmal but he was cleared. It seems like if Australian, New Zealand and England had it their way, they'd declare every Pakistani a chucker or a ball tamperer. They need to man up!

  • sa on June 15, 2009, 14:05 GMT

    I do think DV (as well as some of the others here who are supporting him) is being totally disingenuous when he says he approached Ranjan re Umar's bowling, and then in the same breath say that he bowled really well. Atleast speak your mind clearly.

  • Sridhar on June 15, 2009, 13:36 GMT

    Why is it that when a Pakistani performs so well, questions are raised. True, there is history of cheating from Pakistani side but it was only a few people and to use such a broad brush and paint any top performing Pakistani as a cheat is racism and lack of humility in defeat.

  • atif ranjha on June 15, 2009, 12:11 GMT

    Mr.Dan please go and try to practise how to play swing bowling and can you please tell who is the inventor or reverse swing and doosra and today everyone trying to bowl reverse and doosra and feel great about it and whenever the inventor of these masterful art did that you guys seems clueless you know why because no one does it like pakistan so please go and try to figure out how to play it because they will do it again to you in your home series and try to give some thing to cricket dont blame something you cant handle properly

  • kashif on June 15, 2009, 12:05 GMT

    I did read Alex Browns article on Gul, and did find him trying to raise the question of cheating in a subtle way. After reading some comments on here about Alex re-writing the article, I searched it and read it again. Im 100% sure that the piece is re-writen. Seems he has eaten his own words!!!

  • Kal on June 15, 2009, 11:55 GMT

    People relax. Why are you getting your knickers in a twist over nothing.

    I am a big Pak fan and I honestly don’t know where you guys are getting your HATE for the rest of the world from. You are reading too much into it.

    I have not seen or heard any criticism of that sort for Gul all I heard was praise.

    This is the problem with us Pakis we get on our high horse very quickly without thinking about the consequences of our actions. THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE

  • Ankit Saxena on June 15, 2009, 11:50 GMT

    Umar Gul is a fantastic bowler & so were the W's & Imran, Aquib etc. However Paki fans look a bit confused, it was the same kamran Abbasi who was accused of being paid by BCCI for his blog writings earlier. Also its moronic to call it a bias against "Green", why does everything has to be linked to Religion? Its primarily the case of writing all good for pakistan irresepective of anything. One has to understand that if our own house has problems others will exploit it, needless to mention the commotion within PCB & administered by father in law of underworld terrorist's son. Its a matter of opinion & everyone has the right to it. However without facts & data it looks farce. Great bowling although. Let them say, just play well.

  • Fahad Khan on June 15, 2009, 11:44 GMT

    Umar Gul did a wonderful job and IA he will repeat it throughout the rest of Pakistan's games. There are many people commenting here that Vettori simply made an observation and Pakistanis are blowing it out of proportion. He made a comment but they also made a complaint to the match officials and accused Pakistan of ball tampering. The match officials dismissed the claims and said the ball was not tampered with. So if it was only Vettori's comment expressing surprise about the amount of swing, then this discussion would be blown out of proportion, but that is not the case. I recall Vettori making a comment "that's not how we play" insinuating Imran Nazir was a cheat for using a runner and then jumping up to celebrate the win. For being such sore losers and poor sports, I hope NZ gets knocked out by SL tomorrow.

  • khawaja Ahsan on June 15, 2009, 11:42 GMT

    Areed whole heartedly! Kamran u have hit the nail in the head man. Couldnt have agreed more. 20 years of nonsense! One more thing why many of us are writing Pakis (which is a racial slur indeed!) instead of pakistani?

  • Dr,. Chishti on June 15, 2009, 11:33 GMT

    Could not agree with Kamran more, its nonsense to question the performance of Omar Gul, Mr Vettorri is licking his wounds, he needs to learn to accept their shortcomings rather than pointing figers. Shame on Him.

  • Tim on June 15, 2009, 11:28 GMT

    I didn't see the Vettori comments in question, but it does sound like he was just annoyed at being undone by the best T20 bowler in the world at the moment (just ahead of Malinga and Mendis in my opinion). As far as I've seen there's nothing to question about anything he does, apart from how he's so good at it - other bowlers have much to learn.

    I really enjoy watching Gul bowl as he has something of a spinner about him - he thinks batsmen out instead of blasts them out (though I'm sure he's got a yard of pace in reserve just in case). Good luck to him and Pakistan (until you meet England of course...)

  • Ujjwal Pandey on June 15, 2009, 11:26 GMT

    Ugh..Heraclitus, I hope you do realize that tampering the ball alone doesn't produce reverse swing. It has always been and will always be a talent rather restricted to the cricketers that come from the streets and not some academy. I say you should blame the streets of Pakistan more.

  • Philip Gnana on June 15, 2009, 11:20 GMT

    The only thing green about this is - Envy. Once again an asian player's ability is being questioned by another from the southern hemisphere. Shame,Shame. The asian journalists and players have never questioned the abilities of cricketers. The ICC has still not come clean with the list of players that exceeded the 10degree limitation which led to them extending it to 15 degrees. Why? Mcgrath had been exceeding those permissible limits all the time. Well done Kamran, but I think you should be a bit more aggressive in attacking these attackers/distractors. Philip Gnana, New Malden, Surrey

  • Murtaza Moiz on June 15, 2009, 11:15 GMT

    Did you guys forget a Aussie match in 2007 World T20 where Gilchrist was found on "Cameras" rubbing the ball on the turf, later when asked he replied k he was rubbing the dirt from the seam, that's the responsibility of on-field umpire to clean it, who was he rubbing to clean it. Wasn't that cheating...Lets accept it these Englishmen are still in fear of the south asians who always come up with something new always.

  • Murtaza Moiz on June 15, 2009, 11:07 GMT

    Mr. Osman Parvaiz I agree with you, being a student of Physics my self, the phenomenon is the same for reverse to happen with any ball i.e. taped, red, white, orange etc. but these people do need something to criticize to digest something, especially when they can't explain the reason for defeat.

    Wasn't that cheating when Hansie Cronje played a World Cup 99 match with ear phone on his ear which was directly connected with the coach. Where were the rules and regulations and moral values gone at that time! When these people can't do anything they just start pointing the doubts that all.

  • Sathyamurthy on June 15, 2009, 10:47 GMT

    Gul with his Reverse Swing and Afridi with his spin has made a deadly combination to cook the kiwi. Its indeed heartening to see that the Pakistani team which is wounded with the happening s in their country other than cricket has proved that they are not rusty and they can bounce and pounce on opponents on their day in field. Who told that only between India and Pakistan the match gets lively. Pakistan team has proved that when occasion arises they can rise to the situation like a Phoenix bird and destroy the opponents. Hats to them for such a great performance.

  • khurram on June 15, 2009, 10:39 GMT

    actually, once again pakistan spoils kiwis curry in the knock out stage, this is the history between these two countries in big tournament, just like indians never won to kiwis. pakistan team is not the team which is selected on merit maany grey areas still open for others to exploit our many curse is selfinflicted. so don,t worry mr vettori you can,t cage loin so long if it still in cage but its habbits can,t die down even if its is in circus....

  • Salman Kafir on June 15, 2009, 10:38 GMT

    Reverse swing within 12 overs! Some talent! Of course nobody has mastered this! If I remember correctly it was Imran who said something about using bottle caps and finger nails and even that after he retired! Some skill!

  • Inam From bangladesh on June 15, 2009, 10:32 GMT

    U all just shut up..... Its all over Gul iz great bowler with special control over the ball.One thing to say other bowler << U may try but u cant revered the ball as pakis bowler can do it. master always master ;) >>

  • Rauf on June 15, 2009, 10:30 GMT

    @Osman Parvaiz

    I read this http://www.cricinfo.com/wt202009/content/story/408870.html article yesterday and I read it just now. WOW!!! I am amazed how much of it has been re-written. Luckily, original version is available at http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=75503 among other places.

    Comon Cricinfo... this is simply unethical on your part. Alex Brown wrote the article and is deputy editor of Cricinfo. Either stand by the contents published on your website or issue an apology for making a mistake. This is called journalism 101. But to sneak in and re-write the article hoping that nobody will notice it... this is called cheating. How ironic!! People reading the revised version don't know why Pak fans are making all the fuss. Was this the real reason to revise it so Pak fans look like looneys?

  • khurram on June 15, 2009, 10:21 GMT

    actually, once again pakistan spoils kiwis curry in the knock out stage, this is the history between these two countries in big tournament, just like indians never won to kiwis. pakistan team is not the team which is selected on merit maany grey areas still open for others to exploit our many curse is selfinflicted. so don,t worry mr vettori you can,t cage loin so long if it still in cage but its habbits can,t die down even if its is in circus....

  • Nauman on June 15, 2009, 10:03 GMT

    Well written. Gul made us proud.

  • faycc on June 15, 2009, 9:57 GMT

    kamran bhae u r absolutely right... these people r jealous... gul is not only a good crickter...bt he is a nice man as well as good sportman... being his famly member i can assure he is not of such type...to make ashame pakistan like...shoaib n asif.....inshalah pak will win... PAKISTAN ZENDABAD ... PAKISTAN PAENDABAD.... M AP SB K SUPORT K GUL K BTYO GA... WTS HIS NATION THINK N SUPORT ABT HIM....

  • Ali T. on June 15, 2009, 9:56 GMT

    Lol just the thought of ball tampering makes me laugh. People are actually suggesting that the ball might be tampered in times when each and every action of players is being monitored by dozens of cameras! This is more like a case of sour grapes as far as I see it.

  • smiley on June 15, 2009, 9:55 GMT

    They ban our bowlers when they perform well, if malinga or mulitharan played for pakistan they probably would be banned to!

  • Hammad on June 15, 2009, 9:43 GMT

    Well said Mr. Abbasi and all other users.NZL has this habit of collapsing against Pakistan bowlers. They have history of this not only in NZL but also outside from NZL as well. Daniel Vettori must go and see the videos of Wasim and Waqar who actualy start reverse swing when the ball is only five six overs old.Umer Gul is the best bowler of T20 cricket thats why he has been included in one of the Australia's domestic team for T20.As fas as ICC is concerned it is a racist organization.They have different rules for different countries so we really no need to bother about them or any other commentators. GOD bless Umer Gul and Pakistan......Pakistan Zindabad

  • Tafseer on June 15, 2009, 9:27 GMT

    i don’t understand without having any proof people blame others instead of admit they are looser. First of all specially in Pakistan, i played cricket at home, street, road, grass, cement pitch, tile floor etc.... and still people doubt about how we have to play cricket, i don’t think so. Still in Pakistan lots of blower does reverse so appreciate talent not blame with cheating. I am sure these guys will come in future will ask Mr. Gull please teach us rewires swing. inshallah. Just like people who takes knowledge from wasim, imran, waqar younis, abdul qadir, shoaib akhtar, Muhammad asif, saqlain mushtaq how to do bowl etc..

  • Khalid Khan on June 15, 2009, 8:56 GMT

    Every now and then when we perform something bad arises for us by the foriegn media or by our own nonsence. Having said this I totaly embrass by the resignation of Abdul Qadir. I think Qadir anticipated that Pakistan will never move to even super eight after defeat from England. He think that it will be wise to resign before the total disaster just for face saving. Why not he resign when the team was about to be selected? He was staunch critic of every Cricket management but when he was himself selected to the Top level he fails to deliver. It is easy to talk on the Television and critisize but when boots on the ground its altogether different story. You got it wrong this time Qadir. Nevertheless Qadir is matchless in the area of leg spin. Great bowler.

  • Fahad Khan on June 15, 2009, 8:55 GMT

    Paulimus_Prime, what in the world are you talking about ? Its ball tempering that people are insinuating about not chucking ! not even the most biased englishmen and aussies have ever accused umer gul of chucking...where did this come from ??

  • Sumio on June 15, 2009, 8:26 GMT

    I don't know what any journalists may have implied, but to accuse Vettori of sour grapes is simply untrue. Vettori never once accused Umar Gul of anything untoward. He was simply astonished at seeing something he had not seen before. The fact that Umar Gul was able to achieve this, was what made him and his Pakistan side worthy winners.

    New Zealand were beaten by a superior side on the day, and never tried to pretend otherwise. It seems to me that the writer is the one making unfounded accusations.

  • Mohammad Aslam on June 15, 2009, 8:17 GMT

    WE CAN DO IT AND STILL CAN DO.Heartiest congratulation to Pakistan team and Pakistanis.The GOOD BOYS you must do the same for the rest of the Games.INSHALLAH you will do it but mind you do not take easy the Irish.I must tell Younus not to use such words (CRUSH) for any one in future and must regret before today's match please.Do not be proud as ALLAH S.W.T. not like proud.Please play like one team and be uinted.I request Mr.Abbasi to write article about GUL's tampering as some are thinking and passing wrong remarks as it will shut their mouths.Best of good LUCK TO PAKISTAN TEAM.I request the captain and team management to open bowling with AbdulRazzak and then Aamir.Afridi must open with Shazaib as he can utilize 6 overs with his hitting.I request ALL players to be afraid of ALLAH and do not use proud words in any way.Thanks and ALLAH S.W.T.will help you to be the CHAMPION for this WORLD CUP.Amin Amin Amin.

  • Dr. Mubahir Hanif on June 15, 2009, 8:03 GMT

    Assalamoalikum!Pakistani Greens are very difficult to be digested. Please let me write that there are non-green interests around the globe. So much so that the first thing you do as a non-greener is raise your eye-brows instead of appreciating. Apart from all un-certainities We are proud to have produced legends like Miandad, Imran, two WWs, inzi bhaii just to name a few. No academies have brought them up, streets of Pakistan have given birth to them and the flood lights of tape-tennis and tennis ball has polished many of them. We play here in Finland and are as un-predictable as our Pakistani ancestors, but alhamdolillah non-greens are often shocked the way our desi talent demolishes Bookish cricket. i can promsie you if PCB becomes bandaiy di puttar, Pakistani team can still rule the world for a long time. Only if MERIT is a pre-requisite, nothing else. See how a simple inclusion of a calm and cool Abdul razzaq has changed things. I think its more of spiritual than physical.peace

  • aflal on June 15, 2009, 7:53 GMT

    if those critisism need an explanation and it is simply jellous,lack of ability to swing the ball lack of ability to play the yorkers lack of ability to accept the umar is best.these people should understand tht umar got this ability not overnight this was in his blood u just can't swing the ball as u wish it needs lot of practice practice practice.when jones swung the ball in last ashes and when england triumped where were these so called journalists???????its a truely a poor mindset these people have.umar doesn't always swing the ball his line and length and his aggression slower balls thy come in combination to make him the best.not an overnight dream.pls don't be stupid by u'r illogical comments when u all can't handle the men in green.these were the people called murali,harbajan,shoaib and saeed ajmal as chuckers.simply ethnic and color conflict nothing other than that.

  • Muneeb on June 15, 2009, 7:53 GMT

    Pakistan Zindabad. Let them say what they want to sya . surely Abbasi u r rite . Grapes are soar.....

  • Ali on June 15, 2009, 7:50 GMT

    Gul, splendid performance, but it was Kiwis, who have batted below average, and this is their average performance against a good crickiting side since so many decades. Saying this, i must say Vetorri is a thorough gentleman and apparently he has praised Gul, its the journalists who are to be accused and not the cricket

  • aflal on June 15, 2009, 7:28 GMT

    if those critisism need an explanation and it is simply jellous,lack of ability to swing the ball lack of ability to play the yorkers lack of ability to accept the umar is best.these people should understand tht umar got this ability not overnight this was in his blood u just can't swing the ball as u wish it needs lot of practice practice practice.when jones swung the ball in last ashes and when england triumped where were these so called journalists???????its a truely a poor mindset these people have.umar doesn't always swing the ball his line and length and his aggression slower balls thy come in combination to make him the best.not an overnight dream.pls don't be stupid by u'r illogical comments when u all can't handle the men in green.these were the people called murali,harbajan,shoaib and saeed ajmal as chuckers.simply ethnic and color conflict nothing other than that.

  • Amir Masood (Sydney, Australia) on June 15, 2009, 7:24 GMT

    Well done Kamran.Its not new,has happened in the past but for Vettori or for New Zealand and rest of the world it's always hard to digest and I have full sympathy with them because they have got too much to digest.Reverse Swing,Gugley,Doosra,indippers,swinging Yorkers all are innovations full of skills and talent introduced and brought to world cricket from Pakis which left the rest of the world wondering, accusing,thinking,learning.These skills are Pakistan owned and proven without any chance of argument.The world of cricket have issues with Imran,Sarfaraz,Wasim,Qadir,Waqar,Saqlain,Ajmal and now Gul.The fact is that Pakis are the most talented cricketers in the world and when they play to there potential they are always hard to digest because they surprise everyone with their performance which only lacks consistency.It's not only one statement from Vettori regardless which context he said their is a long history. The fact is that NZ is always a victim of Pak brilliance when it comes.

  • desihungama on June 15, 2009, 7:09 GMT

    Dharmesh -

    I think you should just go back to bed beta.

  • Heraclitus on June 15, 2009, 6:53 GMT

    History cannot be ignored. Please search youtube for videos of other so called Paki "legends" Wasim, Waqar and Imran tampering with the ball heavily. The men in green are suspected because their previous successes are tainted as well.

  • Imdad on June 15, 2009, 6:50 GMT

    I say give all the white bowlers a ball and a bottle cap and tell them to scratch it all they want and then try reversing it. If that is all it takes then every tom dick and a-hole would be reversing it in the street. Theres a lot more to reversing, like a certain something called 'technique and talent' which constitutes 99% of the reversing process.

  • Malcolm on June 15, 2009, 6:45 GMT

    Can someone please explain to me how "I do not know how it happened" equates to Umar Gul is a cheat"? Please people, think about what Vettori said. Think hard about it. There is NOTHING (in the article on cricinfo anyway) that accuses Gul of cheating.

  • Asif on June 15, 2009, 6:40 GMT

    Let the dogs bark kamran... I still remember the last time pakistan thrashed kiwis in the semis, they had the balls to question him being hurt..

    I mean how stupid can you be.. who would want a runner, when he himself is fully fit, and knowing fully that their are always greater chances of getting run out...

    They have always been complaining because in key encounters, pakistan have always thrashed them.

    1992 wc semi, 1999 wc semi, 2007 t20 semi, and now :)

  • Chris on June 15, 2009, 6:37 GMT

    I'm yet to see that Vettori did actually make a complaint to the match ref (nothing I could see on cricinfo) and I find it hard to believe he did, but if he did then he shouldn't have as there is no evidence of any wrong doing - Pakistan just played a very good game and NZ wasn't up to the mark. As I've said Gul is a wonderful bowler, great to watch along with the likes of Malinga, Murli, Mendis, Afridi, Ajmal etc. Looking foward to seeing some more good cricket from Pakistan, South Africa, Sri Lanka and West Indies (I hope this is the final 4, even through I'm a Kiwi as these are the most exciting teams left in the comp).

  • DeadPinkOwl on June 15, 2009, 6:26 GMT

    I'll have to agree with the poster who said that we Pakistanis are getting picked up is because we're having a bad time politically and the cowardly cricinfo writer and vet that not many people will support pakistani's so they'll get away with this accusation cheap and derail the Pakistani team somewhat

  • Cricketcanwait on June 15, 2009, 6:24 GMT

    Come on. Its a genuine suspicion. Because the primary man in green, imran khan played like a legend and after retiring he simply said he had tampared the ball during his tenure. Dont be surprised if umar gul after retirement comes and says that he tampered the ball during world t20. You have created a bad name and is not very easy to come out of it. Maybe Umar gul did genuinely swing the ball, if he had it was great. But a genuine analyser like Kamran should go and analyse the reasons for suspicion rather than writing an emotional blog just like a normal pakistani fan!!

  • Usman Khan - Calgary Canada on June 15, 2009, 5:48 GMT

    Hello everybody. Just chillax. You never know that it was just the traditional swing that Gul was able to produce due to his better swing skills ... and we all thought it was reversing. Gul, if he is reading and following all of this, and rest of the team will probably be grinning from ear to ear. They got the opposition batsmen thinking reverse swing ... right where they wanted them to be ;)

  • Waqas Agaria on June 15, 2009, 5:38 GMT

    I agree with you. The man in green are not given credit for their achievements even though they are world records. People are raising doubt on the abilities of Gul, The man who has done no one ever has done before, but some of the so-called cricket experts especially Englishers, seems to commend parnhell of south africa on his 4 wickets, no doubt it was a good performance, but so is the intensity of their bias they talk more abt him during eng v/s ind match, almost completely ignoring the fact that on the same day, some one has break world record. But I think guilty of Gul is that he is from Pakistan, had he from eng, afr, aus, or ind. There would have been all praise for him in mainstream media and in the gathering of these so-called (BIASED) experts.

  • Owais Faiz on June 15, 2009, 5:38 GMT

    Umar Gul is one of the best fast bowler in t20 format. To put allegations like ball tampering by NZ management shows how much they hurt from Paki defeat. I really liked Danniel Vetori for his captaincy and bowling but to cry like this after a shameful defeat shows as if hes playing a School level cricket game..

  • Sean on June 15, 2009, 5:37 GMT

    I really think Dan's comments have just been blown out of proportion here. He clearly said that he has never seen anyone get that much reverse swing on the ball in a T20, not that it couldn't be done without tampering or cheating. If the Pakistani cricket team and it's supporters want to read further into that then so be it, but they should really focus on the positives rather than yet again looking for an excuse to take the stance as the victims.

  • Adnan Mohsin on June 15, 2009, 5:26 GMT

    he deserve praise, if somebody pointing finger on this than he should be ashamed. Please show some sportsmanship............

  • Paulimus_Prime on June 15, 2009, 4:18 GMT

    I watched the game and I like Umar GUl - he's more of what Pakistan cricket needs, a good dependable fast bowler not show ponies like Shaoib. But I did see his arm and it did look a bit crooked so he will have to be careful not to be banned.

  • Salman Anis on June 15, 2009, 3:36 GMT

    Disgusting. I guess Vettori got to lost in the quote that it is a batsman's game! He got Kyle Mills with the slower ball, that must also be some ball tampering! Next the Kiwis will be going on to say Malinga has some issues!

  • Bashoo on June 15, 2009, 2:05 GMT

    Geo Gul, Geo Pakistan...

  • UA on June 15, 2009, 0:58 GMT

    @Osman Parvaiz Yes! After reading your comment, I re-read the article and it has changed. In the previous version Alex first mentioned that Younis attributed the swing to deformation of the ball due to hitting and then tried to negate it by mentioning that the ball was hit only once (for a six). The later part is not the text anymore.

    Furthermore, there was a comment about Parnel, who said something on the lines that ball doesn't swing in England and thats why he focuses on pitching short. The intention behind using this comment was to suggest that even brilliant Parnel cannot swing, how can...?

    If your brother has a copy. Go for a complaint!

  • Farooq Gill on June 15, 2009, 0:55 GMT

    Very angry and amazed to see what vettori did as he is very nice crickter and my favorite also. He has submitted an offical complain to the match refree. Later on match refree rejected and cleared gull. Great great bowling by Umar Gull. hats off to you!

  • UA on June 15, 2009, 0:53 GMT

    @Osman Parvaiz

  • Zain on June 15, 2009, 0:30 GMT

    Kamran Abbasi, 1st time i felt like you wrote with emotions on Pakistani side, usually your the worst critics i've ever read and even worst, most of your stuff is against Pakistan. about that game, i do feel Vittori was just amazed just like Younis khan, only thing is Vittori's voice was of a dispointed captain of losing team expressing his amazement, full stop.

  • Nasim Duggle on June 14, 2009, 23:46 GMT

    You are very right,westeren media has double standards. It is just difficult for them to digest a great performance from a man in grewen. Goodluck and all the best.

  • Voice on June 14, 2009, 23:41 GMT

    Mr. Osman Parvaiz,

    Your question to Mr. Kamran Abbasi was not directed to me in any sense, but I would still like to reply to it.

    I read the article 'The Confounding Mr. Gul'last night. When I read your comment above just now I went back and read it again, and I think it has certainly been revised. The first time I read it, there was a mention of Yunus Khan's comment about the ball going into the crowd and I think the article even mentioned something about Parnell's post-match interview that day, which are missing from this version of the article. I may be wrong though.

  • AR on June 14, 2009, 20:58 GMT

    It was high time to shut up some mouth pieces. You did a great job Mr. Abbasi. One of my favourite Bloggers! Way to go! @Darmesh: It seems you havent heard/read the interview yourself. You might be too busy with crying over the Indian Team loosing to England.

  • Osman Parvaiz on June 14, 2009, 20:52 GMT

    Kamran,

    Am I losing my mind or did Alex Brown rewrite/revise his article on the Confounding Umar Gul? The first time I read it on Sat he had shown skepticism toward Y. Khan's answer regarding Gul's ability to reverse swing, even going as far as mentioning that the Kiwis only had 1 six before Gul was introduced.

    If he rewrote the article I am extremely disturbed by his (and Cricinfo' journalistic integrity). If he thought the article was too accusatory he should have apologized for covertly "accusing" the Pakitanis of cheating, not rewrite the article (its very Orwellian of him).

    Please tell me that I'm wrong and he didn't rewrite his article? My brother printed the original article so we'll give it a look later and will file a formal complaint if it was revised. If he thought the article was "wrong" he should have issued an apology to readers, not rewrite the article - it reeks of poor journalistic ethics and reflects poorly on Cricinfo.

    Regards,

    Osman

  • Voice on June 14, 2009, 20:42 GMT

    Either I misunderstood Vettori's comments or the journalists. I'm a Pakistani and I found nothing wrong with what Vettori said. I think Vettori was just stunned by Umar Gul and praising him, and the journalists twisted his words to make them something else. Let's see which one of us turns out to be wrong/right in reading Vettori's comments.

    Anyways, Umar Gul was superb yesterday and class itself. Whoever is trying to turn the hero into the villain are just proving to be losers who cannot stand quality bowling.

  • Mirza Ibrahim Baig on June 14, 2009, 20:40 GMT

    Well and truly said Mr Abbasi! I would like Simmo and Scott Cappo to provide some evidence of their claims that most of the Pakistani bowlers of the past have 'admitted' to having tampered with the ball. For me, being a cricket fan, was extremely disappointing to go through the article "The confounding Mr. Gul" at cricinfo.

  • Ahmed on June 14, 2009, 20:35 GMT

    Vettori - you have been CRY BABY for the second time, first time remember you were not happy when Imran Nazir used a runner to give you a bloody nose. Now you are indirectly accusing Omer Gul for reverse swinging in 13th over. People should recall, Pakistan bowlwers used to reverse swing after 50 overs, on dry and hard Pakistani grounds. Whereas English bowlers, most notably Jones and Flintoff started doing it in 22nd over onwards, infact their reverse swing was best between 25th and 40th over, after which it was not as effective. So please give Pakstanis a break and concentrate on your own weeknesses. Finally dont try to take this happiness away from happiness and entertainment starved Pakistani nation. You all should be commending that our 16 brave men are out there to fight it out in this competition when back home our country is pretty much on fire.

  • Hasan Ali on June 14, 2009, 20:31 GMT

    I totally agree with Chris.. Why are you all getting hyped up for?? Nobody is calling Gul a cheat. Cumon guys, vettori just said that he was SUPRISED that Gul got the ball to reverse swing so early. To get ball to swing in as early as the 12th over is no common feat so Vettori has the right to express his suprise. Vettori is not accusing anybody yet...atleast not in public. Anywayz that was a simply stunning bowling by Gul. He is another new talent Of Pakistan long list of pace bowlers but lets hope his exit doesnt come as sudden and distraughtly as some unfortunate Pakistan pace bowlers had to face. Hope Pakistan wins this 20/20 WC Long Live Pakistan Pakistan Zindabad God Bless Pakistan Amin :)

  • Z on June 14, 2009, 19:34 GMT

    Scott Capo. when did Wasim Akram or for that matter Waqar Younis ever confess to cheating? do you have the proof for this?

    Imran khan has admitted to cheating, but thats only beacuse it was so prevalent in the english county game, and do you know who taught him to tamper the ball? Jon Snow, Englands premier bowler at the time. and speaking of indians Sachin Tendulkar was caught tampering the ball. was he not doing that for his bowlers? the only difference India have never been great exponents of reverse swing. next time you point out a arguments make sure its able to stand

    your arguments just smacks of hypicrosy

  • DeadPinkOwl on June 14, 2009, 19:05 GMT

    Chris! fyi, Vettori hasnt kept himself to expressing surprise. He actually lodged an official complaint to the match refree "ACCUSING" Umar Gul of ball tampering. I mean.....I can understand Pakistan have been a bit of a bogey team for NZ knocking 'em out everytime we meet in a major competition but Vettori has let his frustration get better of him and ofcourse the match refree threw out the complaint finding no evidence whatsoever to entertain the childish accusations of Vettori. I think he's lost a lot respect certainly in my eyes for being such a sore loser

  • Aahd on June 14, 2009, 19:04 GMT

    Couldn't agree more mate, short and to the point. Chris, anyone who read what Vettori had to say could read into the words and see what he was trying to imply. And by the way, Vettori has to watch more T20 matches because even as an avid tv follower of the game, I've seen blokes reverse the ball before.

  • Dharmesh on June 14, 2009, 18:44 GMT

    If you guys even decided to read the article concerning vettori and what he said, you would realise the context in what he said it as totally different to what the writer and what you guys are saying. When asked about Gul's bowling stint, he said he was amazed by his bowling as he has never seen reverse swing in 20 20 before, and that he was a very difficult bowler to face because of this.. He was answering a question that he got asked, he never even sounded like he was saying it was suspicious. So come guys, you are so used to being defensive against your players, you automatically think the worse. Vettori is one of the nicest cricketers in the world.

  • Jamie Dowling on June 14, 2009, 17:51 GMT

    With all the cameras in place at the World T20 if there was any suggestion of ball tampering then the commentators and tv staff would surely have seen it. Maybe it was a one off - we all know the white ball doesn't last 50 overs well, perhaps this ball was a freak and Umar Gul bowled beautifully with it. Pakistan's performance was a joy to watch, Umar Gul giving a lesson in how to bowl. Sometimes these things happen. Didn't Chris Pringle of New Zealand admit to ball tampering in a test match? Pot and kettle and all that? Credit Pakistan on a very good performance and one I enjoyed greatly.

  • desihungama on June 14, 2009, 17:36 GMT

    This only proves the fact that everyone beats upon the weak. Had we not had the poticial and social turmoil, I dare if Vettori had guile to say what he said.

    Having said that if Younis Khan does not have full grasp of the language English then he should refrain from commenting on things he cannot fully explain.

    Media manager is needed to hold post-match conferences.

    And coming to the source of the article; I have seen people reverse a brand new cricket ball. It is nothing but mastery in bowlong, conditions and the finger grip of the ball. English conditions are most suited for an eary reverse swing.

    Vettori should just google the information before he holds the next press conference on any cricketing matters.

    Or- Kiwi's should have adopted the ostrich approach after the match.

  • Rauf on June 14, 2009, 17:07 GMT

    This little copy/paste from India/England match live running commentary on Cricinfo.

    "5.1 Singh to Pietersen, no run, pushed, and mistimed, to mid-off

    (I think the ball might be out of shape here. Slight delay)"

    Commentator adds his opinion about ball being out of shape. Hmmm... can it happen after five overs? Not according to Vettori. Remember Gul took the first ball from the 13th over. If England loses this match then Indians must be cheating here. This according to Kiwis logic.

  • Chris on June 14, 2009, 16:56 GMT

    Vettori wasn't saying "Gul is a cheat", he was expressing surprise it was possible to reverse the ball after 10 overs, like most I doubt he thought it was possible. Expressing surprise at something doesn't mean you are saying that somebody is a cheat or it’s impossible. Do you think Vettori should have said "Ah reverse swing after 10 overs, I totally expected that, everybody knows that this happens all the time." Come on now, give Vettori a break - he was just surprised that such an awesome thing was possible. Even Younis Khan said he didn't know how it happened, are you going to accuse Younis of calling Gul a cheat? Gul is a brilliant bowler, and even if he didn't reverse it, would still do well as he has great control on length (bouncer, yorker etc). Nobody is saying Gul is a cheat, just saying how surprised they are that you can reverse it so early. As there is no evidence of ball tampering then Guls efforts will be recognized as a feat of great skill and worth celebrating.

  • wja23 on June 14, 2009, 15:31 GMT

    I have not read any of these admissions by pakistani bowlers Sarfaraz to Wasim akram. I would like to see a link to that admission. Did the English bowlers in 2005 ashes cheat also when they were able to reverse swing their way to an ashes title? I like to know since many have argued that reverse swing can only be achieved by cheating. Did Richard Hadlee cheat also since he was able to swing the ball late?

  • Owais on June 14, 2009, 15:30 GMT

    Vettori is CRY BABY. I remember last time we defeated his team in 20-20 world cup semi final, he had something to say about a runner being used for Imran Nazir, who hit winning knock and Vettori doubted Imran Nazir because he jumped into the lap of another Pakistani player after hitting the winning runs. I agre, GROW UP dude. Under that pressure last time around, Imran Nazir did not ask for runner in the final against India because of that stupid pressure created by this nurdy looking cry baby and was run out when fully set and spanking Indian Attack all over the ground.

  • luke on June 14, 2009, 15:18 GMT

    It annoyed me a little when I read the article (the cricinfo writer was also 'questioning').

    Whether or not certain Pakistanis have cheated in the past (cetainly that does NOT include "EVERYBODY from Sarfraz Nawaz to Wasim Akram" or "MOST OF THE PAKISTANI BOWLERS of the past"), does not mean that "suspicion is hardly unfounded" - FFS!!!

    Anyway, Vettori covered himself - he never actually accused him of anything.

    @Harris - S Jones learnt it pretty well (of course, he was then accused of cheating but...)

    WELL BOWLED to GUL...hope SA deal with him more effectively than the Kiwis though

  • sajeel on June 14, 2009, 15:17 GMT

    right right, first of all, if Gul has been accused of ball tempering then so be it, just because he is the best T20 bowler in the current date, does not mean he should be suspected of this sort. He has the best yorkers and is the hardest bowler to put away for runs in the death of the 20 overs. I thought Danial Vettori is a very good sportsman and he would take the defeat as a bad luck but he was more interested in accusing our gr8 performance and put the game game into dissaray. Well done Danial Vettory, but tell u what, i did not expect that from you!!!

  • wanderer on June 14, 2009, 15:12 GMT

    Well if Vettori and the western journalists want to propound suspicions and baseless wacko conspiracy theories then provide evidence. Simple as that, where's the evidence. Dozens of cameras, on-field referees, TV referees, players right on the boundary rope, thousands in the stands, millions on screen. PROVIDE EVIDENCE. Oh wait you don't have any, like Darrell Hair in the 2006 Oval Test. And for those saying history says Pakistani players cheat, no more or less than any others, plenty of players have "worked" on the ball, teams work on the ball all the time, from innocuous throwing the ball into scuff marks to putting mint saliva on the ball (ahem England).

    Pathetic as usual, like the disgusting claims of cheating that were leveled at Waqar and Wasim when the rest of the world was a decade behind in the ART of reverse swing. Or is this a case of Pakistani players are too barbaric and backward to do anything which western nations are capable of?

  • Mian Waheed Yaqoob on June 14, 2009, 15:09 GMT

    We need bowlers like Umar Gul. He is an absolutely world class bowler and all our other bowlers who are in team should learn from him. I really praise and appreciate his wonderful performance against Newzeland. He should continue his line and lenght in the same manner.

  • Aamer on June 14, 2009, 15:02 GMT

    Wow!!! Needless to say this is the most absurd discussion ever...It seems like whoever loses can accuse anyone of cheating. Grow up Mr. Vettori. Just because Umar Gul can swing the bowl early and get your whole underacheiver team out for 99 you start shouting fowl at the top of your lungs. Learn to deal with such situations and maybe you can win a few. I repaet...ABSURD!!!!!

  • rameez on June 14, 2009, 15:00 GMT

    MR VETTORI..ITS not our fault that you cant make it to the finals since the last 40 years...KEEP CRYINGGG..hahahah spot on. KAMRAN...THE WORLD CUPS OURS THIS TIME

  • Rauf on June 14, 2009, 14:59 GMT

    To Scott cappo

    "But the suspicion is hardly unfounded is it ? Everybody from Sarfraz Nawaz to Wasim Akram have either admitted to cheating or have been caught on tape, haven't they ??"

    When Gilchrist admitted of using a squash ball under the glove in last CWC final, everyone (perhaps yourself including) labelled him... what a genious. Gilchrist is as best as they come... shall we label Gilchrist as a cheat under the same microscope? Last time I checked, squash ball was not part of a batsman's proper kit... BUT Gul does not spell like Gilchrist and that's the difference.

    NZ has never been a winning team in any format of the game. Vettori should just realize this fact plus absence of Taylor and Ryder makes NZ even below Ireland. NZ would still have lost even in absence of Gul as Gul only took wickets of the mid to tailenders yesterday. It was Razzak and Afridi who did the actual damage to the top order.

  • Salman Riaz on June 14, 2009, 14:56 GMT

    Daniel Vettori was in his DIAPERS when Pakistanis were perfecting the art of reverse swing. Better smarten up Mr Vettori and try to improve your team's technique against "REAL FAST BOWLING".

    yours truly

    Salman

  • Saaz on June 14, 2009, 14:53 GMT

    Hummm...Gr8 point to rise....I would like to say that these white faces who invented cricket they are facing really difficulties to face the art of reverse bowling. We want some body like Imran Khan to defend. I don’t think so younis has that kind of brain to answer this controversy in proper way. But I must say that sort of excuses indirectly praising Pakistan. And I feel really pity for Mr.Vettori who have been around in world cricket for years and he don’t have any idea about Pakistan Bowling…Last T20 world cup he raise some questions against Pakistan opener Imran Nazir regading his injury…They are sportsmen but they don’t want to accept the defeat with arams wide open .Sarfraz Nawaz, Imaran Khan, Wasim Akram, Aqib Jawed, Waqar Younis all are the examples. I think People of Pakistan should give them complete Videos of Pakistan bowling. Kamran Sahib And Gullly..Well Done

  • Ray on June 14, 2009, 14:50 GMT

    Scott Cappo, I absolutely agree with you. But u forgot to mention, Darren Gough, Michael Atherton, Pringle (from NZ - u may not even know he admitted or who he was - or maybe you just 'chose' to be selective?). Did'nt the Australians create a whole lot of fuss against Indians, Harbhajan's case sir? They 'gamed' the series against India to deny them a deserved series win. If u care to see Gul's bowling and then Wasim's, you'll notice that Gul's swing is nothing but a joke as compared to Wasim's. NZ were not done by Gul's swing, but by some average batting, below average I should say. Except for Styris, none of the others that Gul got out are in any way good batsmen - and Afridi got Styris out, Gul just happened to be the bowler.

  • Marlo on June 14, 2009, 14:47 GMT

    I do agry with Scott BUT my friend it wasn't only Wasim & co. but even Lille and some english bowlers did admit and even English Captain Atherton was also caught using some type of iron powder from his pocket. It was an era where it was a normal thing before the arrival of multi camera exposure. And at least now nobody has right to create suspicion without having seen something fishy on the cam because then you might be taking away the sense of greatness from a super performer who didn't do it wrongly.

  • M khan on June 14, 2009, 14:45 GMT

    If only vettori was watching the whole match,he would have seen that in the 10th over afridi bowled a quicker one at the yorker lenght and the bowl tailed in like a typical reverse swinging yorker.Now was it umar gul's spirit that came into shahid afridi and made it happen.No stupid,it was just the special skill and art that our bowlers possess that made it happen.Go fetch Mr. vettori the fat lady has sung.

  • Sajid Rana on June 14, 2009, 14:44 GMT

    Before we go by what Scott is saying then lets go back to last T20 World Cup. When Pakistan beat New Zealand in that world cup then Vettori, in his post match press conference, said that Imran Nair used the runner when he was not injured. I mean, look Scott why does Vettori has to be always so unsportsman like when Pakistan beat New Zealand. Come to the terms Mr. Vettori, you are beaten by a world class bowler so admit it because the world has admited it. By negating a world class bowler's skills you are only giving yourself and your country a bad name.

  • Saad B K on June 14, 2009, 14:31 GMT

    @Scott:

    My friend, nobody complains about security in India either (England and Australia continued with their tours despite explosions).

    Also do not forget the bowling actions controversaries - bowlers from Asian nations are usual suspects and most of the times, ICC has cleared them all.

    You may also like to recall the Oval fiasco where Pakistan team was charged with ball-tempering only to be exonerated later as no evidence was found.

    In short, we have witnessed gross double-standards and biases against Pakistan and this time it is no exception.

    Be a sportsman and play/follow the sports like a gentleman.

    Go team Pakistan :)

  • mislam on June 14, 2009, 14:29 GMT

    Mr Vettori and company, you all should be little more courteous in praising good performance from the opponents. Look at what the great bowler Lily did to Javed Miandad. You westerner have a mean attitute if someone play exceptioanally good from the subcontinent team. Look at the actions of some Australian umpire/media towards Murali or towards pakistan team in England in that famous game conducted by australian umpire. You guys need to change that poor attitue. You could not play at Gul's super quality bowing-accept that. He is a learner form Wasim Akram and Waker Yunus. Are you familiar with those names? See some of their old games. It will help you for sure. Good luck in the next encounter with Gul if there is another soon

  • Shahid on June 14, 2009, 14:29 GMT

    Now it may be out of propotions, as I dont know if Vetori did say anything wrong. Only words I read were " I have never ever seen some one doing it so early in an innings. I don't know how does he do it" There was no direct blame and the journalist only quoted Vetoris words. There words could be ofcourse understood wrongly and do create some suspicion. And even if deliberatly expressed so, even then we don't care as we have given cricket word always something new in bowling, be it the doosra or late swing. We have produced worlds best bowlers and Umar Gul is a top performer in all forms of this wonderfull game. Its just that the guy doesn't get much of the international cricket to show his art. How many countries can boast of producing bowlers like Imran, Wasim, Waqar,Qadir,Saqlain, Shoaib Akhtar, Asif and Gul. And now only 17 year Aamer, a star in the making. Wish we were rich in batsmen and good fielder too.SO UMAR GUL you are a star and far far ahead then players like Vetori

  • Mehul on June 14, 2009, 14:29 GMT

    I have been impressed with Gul's bowling from his first match against India, I think it was 5 for. He is very accurate and has lively pace and there is no doubt he is best in T20. From my side, Gul has full support from all Indians and cricket fans, no matter what ass Vettori or ponting type of juggers speaks, who can not take their knee down defeat.. They are cowards.

  • Squishy on June 14, 2009, 14:25 GMT

    Not to mention the incident a couple years ago when Afridi was caught roughing up the surface some with his boots... Although Pakistan have produced some fine bowlers, the fact remains that there have been numerous occasions of questionable and downright illegal actions too. Ahktar and Asif, anybody? As for reverse swing in particular, the English boys have been hammered in the past about their use of mints to extract reverse swing. Don't go crying worldwide conspiracy just because the Kiwis are complaining about being bowled out.

  • Nitin on June 14, 2009, 14:21 GMT

    People are suspicious of Reverse swing because there are tricks involved in it. Imran Khan,the biggest Pakistani legend himself has confessed his coca cola crowncaps tricks..but only once he retired. Marcus Trescothick confessed using mint. It is only that Pakis do it more often or lets say are better than others at using these tricks. Akram and Imran have confessed tempering with the ball .. Guys if they could not do it within laws of cricket no body can. Similarly with doosra ..it is not legal and they modified the arm bending laws to accommodate Murli and Harbhajan .. Vettori is an honest man and dont be surprised if Umar Gul at an age of 70 comes out with a confession. Until then lets enjoy the Pak bowlers .. they are so refreshing to see .. I like the look of Mohd Amir ..

  • sudzz on June 14, 2009, 14:19 GMT

    Mr Abbasi,the suspicion exists because there is enough evidence to it. Now hear your captains explanation about the ball coming off the concrete etc. It does strike the observer odd that only one among all other exponents of fast bowling is able to extract this so called natural reverse swing in a T20 game why should it be so?

    Lets admit it Mr Abbasi that just as much as it is rancid, it is also evidently still tasty to your bowlers.

  • alkasol on June 14, 2009, 14:18 GMT

    TO MR SCOTT......... in particular what are you kidding about w??? ho admitted or who was caught on camera??????? If i recall it was M Arthurton taking soil out of pocket or any indian or pakistani???? Asian teams are no doubt the best in the world and that is not digestable for other teams in particular aussie and engllish!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ali on June 14, 2009, 14:17 GMT

    Fully Agreed Kamran bhai. Each word you said is 100% correct. Whenever the white boys loose the game like this they always look for some excuse. Whenevere a new good bowler comes in from Asia the first thing they want to look is the bowling action and always complain about it rather then playing the bowler with their ability. They will keep doing it and the Asian Cricket Associations and fans should come together and fight these allegations.

  • khalil on June 14, 2009, 14:13 GMT

    This racial intolerance & discrimination is always there.They will always target players from sub continent & mind you Indians are no exception.We have hardly seen any player from other countries being reported in the manner like Murli, Akhtar, Waqar or Harbajan & many more. It will be either suspect bowling action or ball tampering. Whatever the reason behind ,ICC has allowed them the rope to do so.One can always ask the capacity of Daniel Vettorie.He is an umpire, a match referee,an ICC official, what ? If it was a player from Sub Continent , he would definitely have been banned out of the Cup.Now let,s see what DV deserves from the ICC.

  • Osman Parvaiz on June 14, 2009, 14:13 GMT

    AIex Brown's article on the "Confounding" Mr. Gul really bothered me. He pretty much accused Pakistan of ball-tampering without ever saying it, which in my opinion is cowardly journalism. Simon Jones isn't the only person in the world who can reverse swing without doctoring the ball. Kamran, please share the "confounidng" mystery of reverse swing with non-Pakistanis once and for all. Its very simple. When Pakistani boys are in their cribs, their fathers give them a cricket ball and tell them to shine one side of it. When these same boys grow up, at the beginning of every cricket match, their team's choose one side of the ball to shine. Everytime anyone on the bowling side touches the ball they shine the chosen side. By doing so the ball starts reverse swinging by the 10th overs, whether the ball is red, white or taped, whether its Pakistan, India, England or Iceland. It doesn't matter. It will reverse. There's no mystery or art, its boils down to friction & simple PHYSICS.

  • Ram Hari on June 14, 2009, 14:12 GMT

    Total Agree with you.

  • Buddy on June 14, 2009, 14:05 GMT

    Uh, when was Sarfraz Nawaz accused of cheating? Or Imran Khan? Imran and Sarfraz developed reverse swing using bottle caps and fingernails and such, but it wasn't cheating at the time, it was experimentation, innovation. It was only in 1992 when the English couldn't stomach their heavy defeat by the two W's that they...sued Imran, who won that case anyway. When were the two W's ever hauled up for ball-tampering? Wasim may be suspected of match-fixing but i think that's it.

  • Khurram on June 14, 2009, 14:05 GMT

    If Wasim Akram have had admitted what Scott is saying, W.Akram would have been banned. Why India or Srilanka didn't raise their eyebrow about it. They already knew Akram has real ART, so India invited Akram years back to teach Irfan Pathan. On the other hand, Australia, NZ, and England play their race card quite tactfully by raising the issue with ICC when the series is still alive to confuse the Pakistani players. For example, take Saeed Ajmal case, Aussies won that series by raising the issue and later S.Ajmal was cleared by ICC. Kamran, great job! but it's not over.Keep it up.

  • usman ali on June 14, 2009, 14:05 GMT

    There is always been consipiracy against big stars of this world from Politician to singer, same doesnt if its sportsman. We shouldnt take it seriously. The thing which matters dont loose your spirit and Keep going. God bless Umar Gull and God bless Pakistan

  • sana ullah on June 14, 2009, 14:02 GMT

    Dear Mr Cappo & Vettori, Forget about the tap of cheating .Find out some tapes about the art of reverse and hire a teacher to teach you how to play it. STOP this non sense now. If you and your teams don’t know how to swing / play the swing it is YOUR fault. This is absolute non sense to say every time there is some thing suspicious at least FINDS OUT SOME NEW EXCUSE NOW.

  • Simmo on June 14, 2009, 14:02 GMT

    Hmmm... could it be that New Zealand are just so used to being on the wrong end of things when Pakistani bowlers ARE cheating that by now they just presume that they are cheating every time? Just like Scott Cappo said... most of the Pakistani bowlers of the past have admitted to having tampered with the ball etc (not that they needed to with their talent though... I'm still a huge Wasim Akram fan in spite of all that!).

    It's not like the Kiwis are going around accusing every spin bowler who succeeds against them of chucking like the Australians do (just wait for the murmurs once Swann and Panesar rip through them in the Ashes!)... N.Z. have been on the receiving end of "dodginess" from Pakistani quicks too many times. Race has nothing to do with it... Greg Chappell, Mohammad Azharrudin and Hansie Cronje all cheated in different ways too. I don't believe Umar is a cheat, but maybe it's a case of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" in reverse for N.Z.???

  • Arsalan Iqtidar on June 14, 2009, 14:02 GMT

    spot on!!

  • Usman Masood on June 14, 2009, 14:00 GMT

    Whats new? same old nonsense. What amazes me is not just the ability of Pakistani bowlers to exploit whatever, whenever they can, but rather the inability of the rest to learn how to. Grow up and take it on the chin, you were beaten by a better team on the day.

  • Pak fan on June 14, 2009, 13:58 GMT

    Mr Kamran,

    I completely agree with your statement. Whenever we have done something others have not managed to do, it said to be cheating. Remember the England test? Or the contraversy involving Saeed Ajmal? Pakistan produces once-in-a-century player. When they do others, rather than praising them, try to include them in stupid controversies. Daniel Vettori is usual quite a gentleman. I am very suprised at him going along to make these comments. Its usually Australia and England that make these comments. Crying sour grapes is NOT going to help the situation of New Zealan or Daniel Vettori. Must say Umar Gul performed excellently though. It was bowling that left me astounded. Umar should recieve praise not suspician. Who knows? He may go on to be one of the best.

  • Wasif Khan on June 14, 2009, 13:52 GMT

    Vetorri......He is totally confused, and did what they are doing since long. I think they are doing it just to confuse the bowlers that they would be under pressure and would not bowl well. So in this case Pak bowlers should neglect such things and should concentrate on their game.

  • Harris on June 14, 2009, 13:49 GMT

    I totally agree with you Kamran... The art of reverse swing is something the white men have failed to learn... It is not just the ball condition, but also the arm speed, the wrist position and most importantly the pace... And unfortunately the Kiwi's don't have a single bowler who can bowl with a good action at a decent pace... So Vettori should just shut up and concentrate on beating Sri Lanka now or else he can think about Gul's spell on his plane back to Kiwi Land!!!!

  • Shiiv on June 14, 2009, 13:47 GMT

    Comment of Vettori is totally nonsense and this is way subcontinent players acheivements are being belittled by the other blocs(NZ,EN,AU,WI,SA)but unfortunately we are not united as can be seen from the comments in this column earlier when Pakistan lost some of the matches and it was blamed on India/BCCI etc.It is high time we stand united atleast in sports and stand and fight unitedly towards this western attitude of belittling our cricketers acheivement.

  • Khalid Haque on June 14, 2009, 13:46 GMT

    Gul was devastating yesterday.A skill he has developed over years. Mr Vettori should recognise this and should reflect on his statement. We all thought he was/is a great bowler himself he should know better. The least he can do is to apologise to Umer Gul.

  • Ali on June 14, 2009, 13:44 GMT

    Absolutely right u r. they just cant find a reason because they r not that talented. To suspect, specially in the presence of today's technology where each and every player is being monitored by cameras, is an absolute nonsense.

  • Imran on June 14, 2009, 13:43 GMT

    hi... let Vettori say whatever he wants... now a days cricket is played under countless number of cameras... if Gul was cheating, he would have get caught... Its just lame excuse by Vetorri... "i dont know how it happened"... if this is what he is saying, he shouldnt be playing cricket... go and do some research work on Gul's reverse swing... may be you you'll get a PHD in "How to understand Reverse Swing by a Pakistani bowlder"?

  • Aziz South Africa on June 14, 2009, 13:41 GMT

    Scotty, you have to say that because you are anti pakistan. Y not mention some white cricketers while you at it! I am South African and no country has produced a better opening pair of bowlers like wasim and waqar. Show some respect here!

  • Shehryar on June 14, 2009, 13:36 GMT

    I couldn't agree more, Mr Abbasi. I can't believe that with the amount of cameras monitoring the players from every conceivable angle, the spectre of ball-tampering can even be raised, as Vettori so shamefully suggested. Its time to realize that reverse is an ever-evolving art. They tried to do away with it in ODIs by changing the ball after 35 overs, but I guess Pakistan have worked out how to do it even earlier! And anyway, NZ were already down and out when Gul came in to bowl, so I don't know why the great fuss!

  • saleem on June 14, 2009, 13:35 GMT

    Yes, It is sad all western people are not so libral as they claim. But anyway they are better than us. We also have lot of racism. We need to have nationalism. Thanks

  • Shahbax Khan on June 14, 2009, 13:29 GMT

    so Mr. scott so everytime a pakistani bowler will perform he will cheat and if its not racism than why is it that no one talks aboout it and none of the umpires or cameras oicked up anything and every single journalists in that press confrence went with same suspicion of vettori (the cry baby)

  • Scott cappo on June 14, 2009, 13:10 GMT

    But the suspicion is hardly unfounded is it ? Everybody from Sarfraz Nawaz to Wasim Akram have either admitted to cheating or have been caught on tape, haven't they ?? Please quit acting like it is a conspiracy & playing the Race card.....nobody is accusing Indian bowlers of cheating..

  • Dr. Limple on June 14, 2009, 13:09 GMT

    Rightly said, although I beg to differ on the point that those wickets were just because of accuracy of line and length. A lot of bowlers are bowling yorkers in this world cup but the late swing achieved by Gul makes it all the more difficult for the batmsen to play him and it is indeed the primary reason for him being the top t20 bowler. Having said that, crying sour grapes just because no one else has yet been able to master this art like the Pakistanis is against sportsmanship. With an innumerable amount of cameras analyzing players from every angle on the field I don't think what Vettori intentionally or unintentionally suggested is possible these days. Just because you think this is the only way to achieve reverse swing early doesnt mean it is in fact the only way Mr. Vettori. Admit it reverse swing is an art which has been beyond your understanding and will remain so if it keeps eliciting knee jerk reactions like this from you.

  • Zainab Khan (Sydney) on June 14, 2009, 13:09 GMT

    I totally agree with you Kamran! Hats off to you for saying it out loud. Why is it that whenever a person from our nation our team does something that they can't do we get blamed..

    Anyways with Gul's exceptional performance, Afridi's wonderful bowling skills, Razzaq back in team and our newcomer Shahzaib, nothing but jealousy is emerging.. Its also fear that Pakistan can take the title home and InshAllah we will..

  • faisal on June 14, 2009, 13:06 GMT

    Here we go again. Instead of appreciating the skill of yet another Pakistani player, he is being tainted by the suspicion of doubt. Kamran has called this sour grapes and rightfully so. Grow up Vettori!!

  • SR KSA on June 14, 2009, 13:04 GMT

    Excellent one Mr. Abassi, you are the best. PCB should hire people like you as its Media Manager to counter all the mudslinging and sick “jealous” comments Pak team receives whenever they put an excellent show against AUS, NZ, SA and ENG. This has to stop now. Our “Khassi” PCB should immediate take notice of this and a complain should be lodged against Vetorri.

    Its NOW HIGH time we should put an end all these non-sense allegations. There will be more Guls in Pakistan. If these teams want to learn they should visit Pakistan and see how the raw talent like Gul toiling in heat and dust learn the art of lethal fast bowling.

  • mohammad munir on June 14, 2009, 13:04 GMT

    i am very upset by vetorri,s comments,i used to like him a lot,but now he has lost my respect.realistically when is the last time new zealand beat pakistan in a world cup,i beleive the answer is never.umar gul is the most gentle of fast bowlers,he lokks and behaves like an absolute gentleman.those doubting his abilities should look at the way he grips the ball,then look at his pace and length,and they will have their answer as to why he so devastating.when the two w's were at their peak,the english press tried to drah them through the mud,and when flintof and company were reversing it away against the aussies in 2005,it was the one of the rare most celebrated occasion in english cricket.what a shame,what bigotry

  • Shoaib on June 14, 2009, 13:03 GMT

    yeah, u r right.. evry time an asian breaks or makes a record, "THEY" always make an unnecessary suspicion.. it shows that they cant stand it when any pakistani reach heights..

  • Sami on June 14, 2009, 13:02 GMT

    well said kamran... but some of it we owe to our own captain who gave a weird statement himself.

  • Muhammad Johar on June 14, 2009, 13:02 GMT

    I could have not agreed more

  • Ash Zed on June 14, 2009, 13:01 GMT

    This is nothing new.

    When other teams do that - it is an art When Pakistan does the same - it is unfair and suspicious

    Jealously and nothing else. The white people generally do not digest a defeat at the hands of Asians, particularly Pakistanis.

    THIS IS DISGUSTING ATTITUDE!!

  • Shahbaz Khan on June 14, 2009, 13:01 GMT

    i guess world has seen enough of being dominated by pakistani bowlers in the era of two Ws so now whenever a pakistani bowler performs now they try to discourage them by raising suspicions against them especially when it comes to fast bowlers shoaib chucks (indian team) reverse swing no ball tempring (whenever paksitan visists england) aussies (can't play spinners his action is suspicious) newzealand (never won against us since 932 in WC so cry like babies at the end of a loss against us)

  • Deep on June 14, 2009, 12:59 GMT

    Without doubt a brilliant performance by Umar, and surely there will be many more from him! But I think it is best to just ignore the talk of suspicious action etc and let things die on their own. The more you talk about it, the more it becomes fodder for the worthless crowd of armchair critics. If anyone can prove it, I am sure he will bring it up louder than these silent whispers. And when it happens, let it be. In the meanwhile, let's just enjoy performances such as this from Umar!

  • Hamdan on June 14, 2009, 12:53 GMT

    Completely agree. If it had been some other nation this would have never been brought up. As far as Vettori and his clan of black caps are concerned they should realize and accept that some cricketers are more talented than others. Unfortunately, false accusations and calling one a cheat when defeated are more playground tactics than professional sport.

  • Javed Zarif on June 14, 2009, 12:52 GMT

    Come on Kiwis,learn how to play reverse swing rather than finding excuses. Pakistani pacers have done that to you more than once. Find somebody from the international cricket who could teach your guys how to cope with this art of the game. It is very easy to plunder runs agisnt scotland but it really tests your skills when it comes to compete with an opponent of some mettle. By the way these accusations are good for pakistan cricket as they bring the team together and everyone knows what Pakistan is capable of achieving once together. Hats off to UG. Keep up the great work through your hard work.

  • Salma on June 14, 2009, 12:41 GMT

    I totally agree everytime a pakistani does well a whiff of something not so honest comes up! He bowled brilliantly and has done so in India and Oz during T20 so maybe Vittori should take a hard look at his batsman rather then implying things about Gul's performance.

  • Ifti on June 14, 2009, 12:40 GMT

    I agree with author but I think Umer should not worry about any negative critisim in media. He knows he take his job professionally and do incredibly good. History will judge him with his class not with negative coverage if he keep doing what he does. One thing I like about Umer Gul is that he is simple very talented no politics or leg pulling with in camp. I truly believe he goes along very well with every one in camp.

    Great work Gul and Best of Luck.

  • FatSal on June 14, 2009, 12:39 GMT

    Total disgrace from Vettori. Blame your failures on other's success. I had a certain amount of respect for Mr. Vettori but so much for that.. Gul is just simply amazing...

  • Haroon on June 14, 2009, 12:36 GMT

    'If it had been another country then the issue would not even have been raised.' - The fact is that it is always Pakistan that provides the step up in cricket innovation. That is probably where the jealousy stems from, the inability to bowl like a Pakistani. Fair play to Gul, he is the best T20 bowler in the world and he has studie Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis carefully. Deserved success for the man. Regarding the overall performance of the team, I believe Pakistan have the ability to emmulate the class of '92. They are winning when it matters and building momentum at the right time. In contrast, India have stalled at the wrong stage of the competition and i have a feeling that they may not progress further. In my opinion, Pakistan's natural flair is the only weapon that can be used to stop South Africa

  • amjad ali on June 14, 2009, 12:35 GMT

    i must say thank u very much kamran abbasi and osman samiudin..as both of u have realized for the first time that it's worth everything to defend ur country/players with ur writing/articles.. so good job mr kamran..keep it up ...

    n yah..its not a point of cocern to us,fans,even now..beacuse we r used to it..people point at our players..its just nothing ..not even worth a second thought

  • Faizan Ahmed on June 14, 2009, 12:35 GMT

    I agree with this article a 100%. Not only is it unfair, but it is a demotivating factor for Umar Gul as well. The Blackcaps, specially Vittori, should have shown some sportsmanship and accepted the fact that the Kiwis lost their wickets to some genius bowling by Gul.

  • Aziz South Africa on June 14, 2009, 12:35 GMT

    I am astounded to say the least that vettori could stoop so low and question guls ability to reverse swing. The umpires were there, the bowlers are scrutinized by a worldwide tv audience, and cameras from journalists are focused on players all the time. Gul must be a cricket houdini to attempt tampering with the ball under all these conditiond. Pakistani cricketers are singled out every time they produce something special.Keep your head up Umar Gul, for yours was an outstanding performance except for those who are find it hard to admit it only because you are PAKISTANI. I am South African.

  • Sunny on June 14, 2009, 12:34 GMT

    I think to finger out all the time any achievement of any bowler in the world is just not good for cricket itself. We have on the on-field umpires, TV umpires, Match referees to follow the game closely and any joyrnalist just must not criticise these achievements. If there's anything wrong, the umpires are there to speak up! To criticise a pakistani cricketer is just one more blablabla!

  • ehjaz on June 14, 2009, 12:32 GMT

    Dear Kamran; Well said! I believe they only do it because they themselves can not achieve it and when it comes to Pakistan, a country with no grass root facilities, with political disturbance, presently facing an internal turmoil, they can not swallow the truth that Pakistani player can possess which they only dream of. In real short they have forgot that it’s the super power above that controls the distribution of talent; Not them……………..so they can just dream ON… do what ever you can to keep Pakistan away from international cricket, do not let Pakistani player participate in international cricket & so on…but I can guarantee you whenever they will come, they will come with more power, passion and with exceptional talent and guess what YOU CAN NOT control it… Pakistan will always bring the sheer excitement in this sport…

  • senthil kumar on June 14, 2009, 12:32 GMT

    congratulations to gul! what a performance it was.he is really a talented guy in pak squad.vettory's command is foolish and regrettable.u should appreciate ur opponent when u lose.reverse swing is an art which has been mastered by some great genius like wasim,waquar etc.even though i am an indian i always appreciate pak fast bowlers when they dominate others in the game.it is really an happy thing that they produce so that people of pak atlst find happiness.i predict pak to win this cup.many more congrats to pak players

  • DeadPinkOwl on June 14, 2009, 12:32 GMT

    Right on Kamram! I think Younis gave a perfectly plausible explanation which the writer made fun of. Come to think of it in ODI's it usually takes 30 overs for you to get to 100 in 20/20 you can get those runs in 12 overs on a regular basis so its natural wear and tear plus a lot of skills which the Franklin's or Butler's do not have? so its definately a case of sour grapes on the part of Vettori which is sad really because he usually is a gentleman

  • ILYAS Dammam K.S.A on June 14, 2009, 12:31 GMT

    True,True,True It's all sick mind peoples, When they can not compete they always does things to shatter your dignity,patience and hard work. Too bad and you can never expect such from others speically when it comes to Pakistan. Everybody feels his right to pass on his views on their will at ease. Truly very painfull to see such statements. I am speechless, just too bad to even think.

  • Mehdi Singapore on June 14, 2009, 12:30 GMT

    Well done boys.Always happy when Pakistan does well.Keep it up.

  • MAC on June 14, 2009, 12:29 GMT

    Well said Kamaran, these comments show their nerrow mindedness, raceism & prejudice. Gul was star of the moment & he & his fans should not worry about it as fault lies in their head (needed to be cleaned) not with Gul & company

  • Zeeshan on June 14, 2009, 12:29 GMT

    Thats a habbit of non green people to cast their doubts on the abilities our bowlers have.Earlier Darrel Hair was put into dark and now these sick-minded statements will also go into dark as well.

    Well Done Gul we all are proud of you.

  • cricketlover on June 14, 2009, 12:29 GMT

    Couldnt agree more with you. He is awesome.

  • Ahmad Abbas on June 14, 2009, 12:29 GMT

    I believe his performance should be correctly backed up by Younus Khan not by suspicious words that "I DONT KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED". That lack of media maturity sometimes would cost some-one and in this case it Questioned the Gul's ability to ball with brilliance.

  • sallu on June 14, 2009, 12:29 GMT

    you tell 'em Kamraan!!

  • Tariq on June 14, 2009, 12:28 GMT

    Agreed Kamaran: When Simon Jones did it in Ashes it was an art and now it is a mystery. I am sorry to say that even after 20 years of this nonsense, people still doubt the art of reverse swing. Any how nothing have stopped us before and no will come in our way this time as well.

  • Javed Iqbal on June 14, 2009, 12:27 GMT

    Well I had great respect for Kiwis but now I am convinced that 'they' are part of one big community. Now I am sure media is searching for some scuffing and scratching on the ball in the entire game and I am sure they will come up with something stupid. If they find nothing then they have a last resort of accusing Pakistanis of throwing on the ground rather then direct to the keeper (which I actually noticed on couple of occassions ;) ) MY ADVICE: We should drop all catches in first 10 overs in such a way that every time we drop, we drag and scuff the ball in such an innocent way that later the ball is ready for Gul to come in and cause havoc. We will still win dont worry ;) GO Pakistan and dont worry about these narrow minded and coward bunch as we will produce more and more talents like: Ajmal (Best Dosra) Gul (most accurate Yorkers) Tanvir (wrong footed) Akhtar (fastest) Afridi (most scariest) Razzaq (Five 4's to McGrath) Asif, Yousuf etc

  • sana ullah on June 14, 2009, 12:24 GMT

    Dear Mr Abbasi, It was absolute stunning performance by Pakistani bowling attack and especially Umar Gul. The critics have nothing to do except criticising and trying to demoralise him, but the fact is that they do not have any answer to the brilliance of umar gul’s toe crushing Yorkers. Well done umar gul keeps it up and teach them to dance on the wicket with Yorkers and bouncers. I am also very happy that he praised the great Ws (waseem and waqar) saying that he has learnt this from their videos.

    I thank you for your everlasting support to Pakistani team in the bad times of the country. We will flourish and keep on surprising the world in all aspects of life. Thank you very much again

  • Jamal on June 14, 2009, 12:24 GMT

    Yeah .. Asian Cricketers Specially pakistanis have been a usual victim of suspicious action ball tempering criticism whenever they put on anything such extra ordinary .. Which indicates their jealousy .. Specially Australians and Englishs .. Not so sure about the NZ's .. One Can only laugh at Dan's reaction .. I think Pakistani Squad should take it lightly :)

  • Awais on June 14, 2009, 12:24 GMT

    wow Dan, I thought you were a better sportsman than that. I know getting wrecked at 99 came as a surprise to you and your team, but to blame others for your fortune, shame on you.

  • Khalid Saeed on June 14, 2009, 12:20 GMT

    There is no point in asking the western journalist to learn lesson from the history. They are and they will be remain prejeduice including some player as well as empoyers. Pakistan achievement is hadly to accept as fate written on the wall and therefore they need to find some excuse not to accept it

  • Manzur Khan on June 14, 2009, 12:18 GMT

    We have been responsible for so many exits of New zeland from world cups.....we wouldnt care if they claimed Umar Gul was from Mars.....Go on..boys and crush their toes..next time they will say that the new off-cutter learnt by Afridi is reverse swing.....we should now concentrate on Srilanka's Malingas ,Murlis and Mendises giving them a nightmare and exposing their limited batting skills on our way to another world cup semi final....well done to Pakistan again....

  • Nassta on June 14, 2009, 12:17 GMT

    Well said Kamran! Gul was the very player whose reverse swing precipitated the Ovalgate phantom ball-tampering incident a couple of years ago. Anyone who has watched Gul bowl in the past knows of his ability to extract reverse swing early in an innings and these accusations merely emphasise the lack of knowledge constantly exhibited by certain members of the press and their willingness to associate controversy with the Pakistan team. Reverse swing often relies more on the conditions - a worn pitch with dry heat (both present yesterday - and not a heavily-scuffed cricket ball. Vettori, a captian whom I respect, should have been more magnanimous and responsible, rather then responding with this veiled accusations.

  • ahmed on June 14, 2009, 12:17 GMT

    Kamran; you are spot on here. But Pakistan team badly needs a media manager. YK english speaking skills are bad. He even dont know what he is talking about. There is no doubt that Umar Gul is currently the best T20 and ODI fast bowler in the World. He has been consistant since last 2-3 years. Yesterday performance shouldnt be of any surprise as he already has 1st; 3rd and 7th best bowling performance in T20. Vettori has to say some thing in the press conference as he is well aware of NZ record against PAK since last 20 years or so. What ever Vettori has said; it was out of shear disappointment and failure against a top quality bowling attack of the world. Keep on doing the good work Umar Gul. Cricket lovers are proud of you!!

  • ahmad sana on June 14, 2009, 12:16 GMT

    I agree with Mr. Kamran. When will these people accept that there are people in the world who plays cricket better than them. NewZealand has pethatic record against Pakistan. I hope people still remember 1992 when the only team which defeated them so wake up new zealanders and accept the day light

  • Asad Ali on June 14, 2009, 12:15 GMT

    An after thought to my previous comment:

    Lasith Malinga has also been able to swing the ball late & it has fetched him a few wickets in this form of the game. Does that make him a cheater ??? Should we start raising suspicions instead of appreciating the thrill & excitement he brings to cricket ???

  • Omar Ansari on June 14, 2009, 12:14 GMT

    That is pretty much what I said to some other people a few hours back.

    There wasn't a lot of reverse swing out on the field anyway, it was his immaculate line and length that won him the 5 wicket haul prize.

  • Qamar Khan on June 14, 2009, 12:13 GMT

    Well said Mr. Kamran Abbasi..We have started this new ball (almost) reverse swing magic and other players will learn with passage of time.. Younis khan should have said that Umar gul swings ball with his eyes and this is special skill and you cant understand it. I wish we had muhammad Asif in our team, another magician bowler.

    Pakistani team will destroy Ireland in next match and I am looking forward to crush South African team in semi final..Pakistan zindabad

  • Ali Bakhtiar on June 14, 2009, 12:13 GMT

    I fully agree with you Kamran. This is absolutely absurd to claim such a thing against Umar. We have had enough of the bias from these so called western experts. I mean our nations are often preached by the west about liberalism and yet these same group of people can't seem to comprehend that the core basis of liberal think is the idea of accepting others.

    Vettori shame on you. Your team lost (read crushed by Pakistan) and its so not sportsman like to throw such allegations. Grow up!

  • Haider Mahmud on June 14, 2009, 12:13 GMT

    Umar Gul has exhibited remarkable control over his yorkers for the last few years especially during the death overs of 20 20s. We must all be generous in praising his skills rather than creating suspicions. Years ago when the Ws mastered reverse wing they were labelled as cheats but now it is considered an art when bowlers like Brett Lee and Flintoff started bowling it.

  • Zaheer A. Kakar on June 14, 2009, 12:13 GMT

    umar gul is simpply show the world that pakistan is still the edge craft of fast bowling to the rest of the world. i am surprise every time when the men in green cap produce some charismatic performence, the eye brows raise which is not fair at all. we have witness in the past when two w,S produce the same magic with greater authority. so kindly stop this bias and be realistic.

  • Belal on June 14, 2009, 12:12 GMT

    Great point. Although i think Younis could have done a better point at defending Umar's case but nonetheless the biased media (cricinfo included) will have to stand up and respect now!

  • Mohsin on June 14, 2009, 12:11 GMT

    As a pakistani, I was expecting this from the media and opponent captain! ......Not a news for us, ...when Freedi or Zaheer Khan does that its called technique and when Gul does it, its called cheating..... 'accept the fact that Pakistanis are too good in reverse swing ... we taught the world how to do it .....

  • Nauman ali on June 14, 2009, 12:09 GMT

    Its very simple, he is committed to cricket, he believes in hard work. Best way is to perform and do well.

  • rathore on June 14, 2009, 12:09 GMT

    very well said Mr. Kamran, i totally agree with u...

  • fahad on June 14, 2009, 12:09 GMT

    Very very well put Mr Abbasi, we are really really sick and tired of it. I think we should perhaps totally ignore. Its not even worth responding to. Somethings will never change. When flintoff wins the ashes, its an art, same for brett lee or steyn...but umer gul will always be a cheat, just as wasim and waqar and shoib were. Pathetic. Shame on you all, is all we can say.

  • Jalal Khan Sydney on June 14, 2009, 12:08 GMT

    I agree with Zainab, I think the are all scared that we might win the world cup. sore losers....

  • Asad Ali on June 14, 2009, 12:08 GMT

    You're absolutely right! The NZ team has always found it difficult to play late swing (whether it's reverse or not) & quality spin. As is also evident from Osman's article. Instead of admitting that, they're just trying to divert attention & give lame excuses for their own dismal performance. This is not the first time that Gul has been able to late swing a relatively new ball. Most of his wickets in the last T20 WC & in the last couple of yrs. (T20s & ODIs) came through his ability to bowl good lengths & swing the ball late & swing it both ways (his last wicket yesterday was on a ball that moved away instead of dipping in). So why is it that after he put up a record performance people start raising suspicions? I'd say it's only a part of mind games. That's what they have been doing for so long. When England couldn't play 2 Ws it was ball tempering, but when England did it against Australia it was art.

  • Atif on June 14, 2009, 12:08 GMT

    I fully agree. These weren't banana swingers; they were simply well directed and controlled yorkers/back of length deliveries that added to the pressure the NZ were already under having lost many wickets. Some journalists have quoted YK for his explanation of Gul's bowling but YK is not a great media spokesperson. Just listen to his post match interviews and carefree statements that T20 is fun. Moreover, speaking in English really hampers his ability even though he can muster a few incomplete sentences.

  • Shahid on June 14, 2009, 12:07 GMT

    Sure any achievement by a Pakistani,is adjudged as there something wrong by theses white ones.This is not now, from long ago when Pakistan was world best team in Field Hockey, squash or Cricket.There behavior is still same.But these Shaheens will never afraid of witchcraft

  • Ai on June 14, 2009, 12:07 GMT

    Thank you for writing this piece - you have spoke on behalf of everyone who were disgusted by this new attempt malign Gul mastery of Twenty20 bowling. These same people tried to tarnish Wasim and Waqar's image until the words "reverse swing" were coined...

  • Atif on June 14, 2009, 12:07 GMT

    i am 100% agree with you. It is true when they didnt find how to play they play foul play. Before Pakistan's match, it was S.A's bowler Parnel, who also bowled brilliantly, but non said a single word, they only praise. For Umer Gul i just say Keep it up man Keep it up

  • Jalal Khan Sydney on June 14, 2009, 12:06 GMT

    Thank you Kamran for saying what the masses of Pakistani's who have watched the sour grapes of Australians, New Zealanders and Poms wreck the meeta taste of victory in our mouths for so many years. They are always sore losers and cannot hack how Pakistani's can just produce such beautiful cricket whenever they want. A classic recent example is Saeed Ajmal's doosra being questioned after the series against Australia in Abu Dhabi. We are sick and tired of the double standards. Apparently Pakistani's aren't allowed to produce beautiful cricket. It seems that since the days of Wasim and Waqar apparently "tampering" with the ball, nothing has changed in the mindset of these countries. Though Pakistan may not be consistent in their winning ways, their style of cricket is great to watch and is what creates the fervour and passion that the fans hold for the team. Our wins aren't boring and clinical. They are emphatic and decisive. PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!!!

  • Zaheer Ahmed on June 14, 2009, 12:06 GMT

    It is a case of sour grapes for Kiwis who are a bunch of ordinary but hardworking cricketers who are no match to natural abilities of Pakistanis.

  • Imran on June 14, 2009, 12:06 GMT

    Typical white mentality when paki does good they are suspicious; if flintoff / simon jones do good swing then it will be mastery of art; start raising voice against double stanndards; Be vocal on national points; ramiz/wasim/sohail all 3 comentators there should raise voice. Want to add here the issue of ICC shifting pak mathces on thwir own. it was good mr. ijaz butt has raised voice against the shifting of world cup matches and pak has a valid case against ICC; don't bow your head mr. butt infront of indians/ ICC? i pray you won't but doubt you'll succumb to same mentality of bowing the head against whites/indians; if you do the same, shame on you.

  • anonymous on June 14, 2009, 12:05 GMT

    i agree completely... this article hits the nail spot on.

  • Hasan Tanvir on June 14, 2009, 12:05 GMT

    Absolutely Fantastically Articulated :-)

    The issue is the green colour!! Well noted.

  • Shahid on June 14, 2009, 12:05 GMT

    Sure any achievement by a Pakistani,is adjudged as there something wrong by theses white ones.This is not now, from long ago when Pakistan was world best team in Field Hockey, squash or Cricket.There behavior is still same.But these Shaheens will never afraid of witchcraft

  • Zainab Khan (Sydney) on June 14, 2009, 12:05 GMT

    I totally agree with you Kamran! Hats off to you for saying it out loud. Why is it that whenever a person from our nation our team does something that they can't do we get blamed..

    Anyways with Gul's exceptional performance, Afridi's wonderful bowling skills, Razzaq back in team and our newcomer Shahzaib, nothing but jealousy is emerging.. Its also fear that Pakistan can take the title home and InshAllah we will..

  • S Shaikh on June 14, 2009, 12:04 GMT

    Totally agree with you Kamran. Apart from Gul's bowling ability, Gul as a person is a very honest and sincere in return should recieve respect.

  • ASIF SOFI on June 14, 2009, 12:04 GMT

    Kamran, it couldnt have been said better. Thay used to say the same about the 2 W's and they are tryibg to slander the new Pathan now. Their bowlers cant bowl like Gul even if they try. It is indeed a matter of sour grapes.

  • irfan on June 14, 2009, 12:03 GMT

    Rightly stated Mr. Kamran 100% agree with you.

  • Imran Ahmed on June 14, 2009, 12:01 GMT

    I totally agree with this.

  • Hussain on June 14, 2009, 12:01 GMT

    Seriously. When the two Ws did it, they were cheats. When Simon Jones did it in 2005 Ashes, that was an "art". Kamran you say it as it is

  • Mohammed Anwar on June 14, 2009, 12:00 GMT

    Daniel Vettori and all those journalists should be given 5 slaps each by reverse swinging the hand....

    AnwaR

  • Kris on June 14, 2009, 11:59 GMT

    In one of your previous blogs, after the loss to England, I had said I missed the Pakistan team which played with fire in the belly, I missed the mighty Pakistan bowlers.. Ohh the way Umar Gul bowled.. It was amazing.. Reminded me of the days of great Pakistan bowler.. Gul is really under-appreciated and is a great bowler who goes on with his word without the theatrics or any grumble.. Ohh I still remember the way he bowled in the previous T20 world cup.. He was awesome and he was too hot to handle for the Kiwis.. If they cant reverse the ball or bowl like him its not his fault.. He bowled impeccably and the cricket is better for it.. Of the Top 8 blowling performances in T20 internationals, Umer Gul owns 3 and its not by mistake.. Loved to see the entire Pakistan team played like the way it did.. If only they could do away with Ijaz Butt..

  • Tanweer Bukhari on June 14, 2009, 11:57 GMT

    Well said Kamran. That speaks quite loud on behalf of all Paki fans !!!

  • Ash on June 14, 2009, 11:55 GMT

    well said mr abbasi all credit goes to mr gul & the pakistan team well done , now let's go all the way

  • Junaid Saleem on June 14, 2009, 11:52 GMT

    Pakis need to keep up their good work and leave the others wondering behind. As a cricketer their art is to perform with the ball/bat not with the mouth. If they consistently bowl like this, no one can point them out or if still pointed out then who cares. Good job Gul

  • Danish on June 14, 2009, 11:52 GMT

    THANK YOU Kamran! for saying what 170 million Pakistani want to scream right now... 20 Years of this nonsense...EXACTLY! but you know what.. let them say what they wanna say... we shouldnt care anymore...

    million thumbs up to Umer Gul and the entire Team infact! they played like champions and reflected the lethal potency of our glorious time...

    God Willing Those times will return...

    We love them...we hate them... we really hate them when they embarass us... but we love them 10 times more when they do justice to their character... WE ARE THE PAKISTAN FANS! PAKISTAN ZINDABAD... PAKISTAN ZINDABAD...

  • Andy on June 14, 2009, 11:50 GMT

    Whoa! Where did that come from. I haven't heard or seen anything remotely calling into question Guls swing. Vettori had nothing but praise. I think your reading into an undertone in the interview that simply just wasn't there.

  • zaid_sl on June 14, 2009, 11:41 GMT

    thats right but we as ppakistanis should put back these noncenses and show the world how good we are,c'mon boys we can mak it.i think fawad alam should be replaced by ahmed shehzad

  • Tazman on June 14, 2009, 11:35 GMT

    Absulotely agree with you. An article on cricinfo well nearly suggested that Gul was CHEATING. I saw the match and more than reverse it was GULs explicit length that got him his wickets. GUL is the best T 20 bowler in the world, followed by Zaheer and malinga in my humble opinion. But GUl is head and shoulders above them. I am sickened by the insinuation that there might be some element of tampering involved. Gul has 3 of the 10 best T-20 bowling performances. Pakistan does not get much to cheer about in ricket these days, so it really does hurt when journalists and cricketers try to take the shine of a brilliant performance. You are right, no one would have said a thing if it was a english or australian or even Indian (they are the flavor of the month) who would have done it.

  • Bosco Martyres on June 14, 2009, 11:30 GMT

    The way to stop the sour graps syndrome is for Asian countries to assert themselves in the ICC.Some countries have not yet twigged to the fact that the days of colonialism are thankfully long gone

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  • Bosco Martyres on June 14, 2009, 11:30 GMT

    The way to stop the sour graps syndrome is for Asian countries to assert themselves in the ICC.Some countries have not yet twigged to the fact that the days of colonialism are thankfully long gone

  • Tazman on June 14, 2009, 11:35 GMT

    Absulotely agree with you. An article on cricinfo well nearly suggested that Gul was CHEATING. I saw the match and more than reverse it was GULs explicit length that got him his wickets. GUL is the best T 20 bowler in the world, followed by Zaheer and malinga in my humble opinion. But GUl is head and shoulders above them. I am sickened by the insinuation that there might be some element of tampering involved. Gul has 3 of the 10 best T-20 bowling performances. Pakistan does not get much to cheer about in ricket these days, so it really does hurt when journalists and cricketers try to take the shine of a brilliant performance. You are right, no one would have said a thing if it was a english or australian or even Indian (they are the flavor of the month) who would have done it.

  • zaid_sl on June 14, 2009, 11:41 GMT

    thats right but we as ppakistanis should put back these noncenses and show the world how good we are,c'mon boys we can mak it.i think fawad alam should be replaced by ahmed shehzad

  • Andy on June 14, 2009, 11:50 GMT

    Whoa! Where did that come from. I haven't heard or seen anything remotely calling into question Guls swing. Vettori had nothing but praise. I think your reading into an undertone in the interview that simply just wasn't there.

  • Danish on June 14, 2009, 11:52 GMT

    THANK YOU Kamran! for saying what 170 million Pakistani want to scream right now... 20 Years of this nonsense...EXACTLY! but you know what.. let them say what they wanna say... we shouldnt care anymore...

    million thumbs up to Umer Gul and the entire Team infact! they played like champions and reflected the lethal potency of our glorious time...

    God Willing Those times will return...

    We love them...we hate them... we really hate them when they embarass us... but we love them 10 times more when they do justice to their character... WE ARE THE PAKISTAN FANS! PAKISTAN ZINDABAD... PAKISTAN ZINDABAD...

  • Junaid Saleem on June 14, 2009, 11:52 GMT

    Pakis need to keep up their good work and leave the others wondering behind. As a cricketer their art is to perform with the ball/bat not with the mouth. If they consistently bowl like this, no one can point them out or if still pointed out then who cares. Good job Gul

  • Ash on June 14, 2009, 11:55 GMT

    well said mr abbasi all credit goes to mr gul & the pakistan team well done , now let's go all the way

  • Tanweer Bukhari on June 14, 2009, 11:57 GMT

    Well said Kamran. That speaks quite loud on behalf of all Paki fans !!!

  • Kris on June 14, 2009, 11:59 GMT

    In one of your previous blogs, after the loss to England, I had said I missed the Pakistan team which played with fire in the belly, I missed the mighty Pakistan bowlers.. Ohh the way Umar Gul bowled.. It was amazing.. Reminded me of the days of great Pakistan bowler.. Gul is really under-appreciated and is a great bowler who goes on with his word without the theatrics or any grumble.. Ohh I still remember the way he bowled in the previous T20 world cup.. He was awesome and he was too hot to handle for the Kiwis.. If they cant reverse the ball or bowl like him its not his fault.. He bowled impeccably and the cricket is better for it.. Of the Top 8 blowling performances in T20 internationals, Umer Gul owns 3 and its not by mistake.. Loved to see the entire Pakistan team played like the way it did.. If only they could do away with Ijaz Butt..

  • Mohammed Anwar on June 14, 2009, 12:00 GMT

    Daniel Vettori and all those journalists should be given 5 slaps each by reverse swinging the hand....

    AnwaR