India-Pakistan cricket August 16, 2011

Survival of the fittest

In a week famous for sixty-fourth anniversaries, India and Pakistan might wish to reflect on the fruits of those intervening years of toil on the cricket field
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In a week famous for sixty-fourth anniversaries, India and Pakistan might wish to reflect on the fruits of those intervening years of toil on the cricket field. When midnight's chimes created two nations in 1947 greater concerns about the division of land, people, infrastructure, and wealth preoccupied people's minds than partition of cricketing abilities.

Today, India stride the upper echelons of cricket both in running the game and performing on the field, despite this summer's disappointing effort. Pakistan, meanwhile, are struggling to avoid outcast status and soon will do battle with Zimbabwe at the foot of the international table. These might turn out to be transitory positions but at the moment there is a hint of permanency about them.

The 1947 distribution of cricketing talents has given rise to broad generalisations, which have to some degree held true. Pakistan has been blessed with fast bowlers of world class, from Fazal Mahmood, through Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, and Waqar Younis, to the cursed pair of Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Amir. Even now, Pakistan's young breed of Wahab Riaz and Junaid Khan are offering hope that the line will continue.

India's pacemen have been more sporadic and less dominant. Kapil Dev, Javagal Srinath, and Zaheer Khan have fought lone battles. Hypotheses for this disparity have been many: genetic differences, climate, even diet. None are satisfactory or barely plausible. Is there much difference between Delhi and Lahore? The migrations at partition will have made the region more homogenous not less.

Indeed, Pakistan's fast bowlers weren't especially formidable before Imran Khan, who was greatly influenced and motivated by the speed sensations he encountered during World Series Cricket, the formidable Australian and West Indian pacemen of his era. They were Imran's role models, driving him to higher speeds and achievement. In turn, Imran was the inspiration of the many Pakistani fast bowlers who followed, and soon he was joined by Wasim and Waqar who created their own legacies and legends.

This role-model theory helps explain the different routes taken by cricketers of both nations. India has a regal history in batsmanship, from the masters of bygone days through Sunil Gavaskar, Dilip Vengsarkar, and Mohammad Azharuddin to today's holy trinity of Rahul Dravid, VVS Laxman, and Sachin Tendulkar. These batting riches are beyond the dreams of Pakistanis who have had to be satisfied with a disintegrating line of Hanif Mohommad, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, Inzamam-ul Haq, and Mohammad Yousuf, a heritage which ends in nothingness.

While bowling is a natural skill that tolerates imitation, batting is more technical and it is not possible to simply rely on following your hero's example. Success in batting requires advanced technique and a cricketing infrastructure to support the maturation of batsmen. A supportive infrastructure is dependent on the cricket board creating a stable environment for its players. It is here that the failings of Pakistan's successive cricket boards have had the most damaging effect, and the explanation why batting has become a lost art in Pakistan cricket while fast bowlers emerge unhindered.

The success of Indian cricket as an enterprise offers it an opportunity to overcome weaknesses in fast bowling if it chooses to invest in the development of wicket-taking Test fast bowlers rather than breeding run-stoppers for the Indian Premier League. As unlikely as that prospect might be, notwithstanding the way India's bowling has been exposed on this tour of England, the plight of Pakistan's batsmen appears far bleaker.

Yet the joyous celebrations that marked Pakistan's Independence Day were a reminder that hope can remain strong even in the face of near calamity. Indeed, the best international performance by a South Asian this summer has come from Pakistan's Asad Rauf. Both Rauf and Aleem Dar have shown that excellence is achievable whatever the circumstances. Admittedly, ICC's governance of the elite panel has helped nurture them away from the clutches of the Pakistan Cricket Board. Rauf and Dar have helped banish the ill-repute of Pakistani umpires, a reputation that was well earned, as it was too by umpires of the cricketing powers of Australia, England, and India.

So, 64 years has brought us fearsome fast bowlers from Pakistan and wizardly batsmen from India. It has brought us innovative spin bowlers and disastrous fielders from both nations. But it has left us with serious challenges. What can Pakistan cricket, and its batsmen specifically, do to flourish again? Is survival even possible? What can India do to remedy its weakness in fast bowling, and what on earth has happened to Indian umpires? Do they still exist?

Perhaps we are witnessing another fine example of Darwinian thinking? Indian batsmen and Pakistani fast bowlers, Indian administrators and Pakistani umpires, this is survival of the fittest.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • mudassar on November 27, 2011, 8:12 GMT

    i am a pakistani and i admit at the moment indian team is a very good side but what will happen in a yr or so when the 3 legenday batsmen will retire..that will leave indian team witha big vacuum to cover..ob the other hand pakistani side under the captaincy of misbah is showing signs of improvements..the recent example is the way pakistan over-powered the sri-lankans..

  • md sonu on November 16, 2011, 16:34 GMT

    I THINK SHAHID AFRIDI IS THE BEST CAPTAIN OF PAKISTA TEAM HE IS THE BEST ALROUDER IN THE WORLD AND HE IS MY FAVOURITE PLAYER

  • Moyukh on November 5, 2011, 16:47 GMT

    I hope these two countries will unite in the future. If that happens, rest assured, they will boss the cricketing world.

  • Harminder Sethi on November 3, 2011, 18:20 GMT

    A very entertaining but could have been a very fragmented article, I am glad we are seeing the better of it. Just a little bit of vomit does not despise a cheese & ham sandwich!I am not here to sign kudos to my country's superstars or falter any of Pakistani cricketer's accolades. My only request is don't just sing hosannas about anyone's past, (Pakistan being the better side because of more matches won) because as in for today India is clearly winning more matches. Again we are living in the DAY not in the past. Otherwise rightly spelled by the author to compare the two sides today in terms of solidity , India is clearly the better batting side with a good administrative unit & Pakistan has better bowlers with some already legendary umpires in Rauf & Dar.

    Some good wishes to all Pakistanis from an ordinary but a very proud Indian.

  • Raghavasimhan on October 31, 2011, 11:56 GMT

    While I like the article, i wont say Pakistan batting was inferior compared to that of India till the year 2000. While India never matched Pakistan's calibre in bowling (except matching them in spin department) today, overall in the history of cricket, i feel Pak better cricketing team than in India. Of course i do agree the last 10-11 years, India much better than Pakistan, but till Y2K, pakistan held the upper hand. As a cricket fan, I must admit that these 2 are never consistently, specially when they play overseas. For us, it could be India Vs Pakistan. But overall, we were always beatable by Australia or West Indies. India to some extent dominated world cricket for 2-3 years recently. Pakistan was good between 89-94.

  • Hammad on October 30, 2011, 8:14 GMT

    all time indopak team Saeed Anwar Sachin Tendulkar Sunil Gavaskar Zaheer Abbas Javed Miandad/Rahul Dravid Imran Khan (c) Kapil Dev Ms Dhoni Waseem Akram Waqar Younis Anil Kumble/Saqlain Mushtaq

    12th man Rahul Dravid.

  • Sudeep on October 27, 2011, 9:44 GMT

    A good article by Kamran Abbassi. One point came to my mind which I would say is a trademark of players from both countries - Disastrous Fielders. I guess if India and Pakistan were to play as a team no matter how good we bat and how good we bowl, our 'excellent' fielding will hand the match to our opponents!!! No pun intended!!!!

  • Mushtaq Patel on October 27, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    There should be an Indo Pak Test Series every two years just like the Ashes, we should play atleast Four Test Matches in each series if not five like in the Ashes Test Series.

  • M.Haseeb Imran Ali on October 25, 2011, 17:28 GMT

    above average parveen ??? hmm hahhaman u r joking bowlers of this type r in every street of Pakistan and aritifical conditions in England ??? hahhaha English r always same for everyone!!! man ranking does not matter when it comes to PAK VS IND OR AUS VS ENG so its always tough for each to beat other and thats the beauty of the game !

  • Krish on October 18, 2011, 15:24 GMT

    There is no comparison. First Pak needs to survive as a country and then comes rest. In test matches one is at the bottom of the pile and other is at the top. We can at most compare the teams for one day matches. Pak is lucky that UAE serves as a base for home matches otherwise things would have been even more tough. Bowling fast or spinning too much is not the criteria. The criteria is how brilliant the bowler is to get the wickets using suttle variations. There is not much point on gloating over success in England since the conditions and pitches seem so artificial. Even just an above average bowler like Praveen looks unplayable, leave alone really good ones.

  • mudassar on November 27, 2011, 8:12 GMT

    i am a pakistani and i admit at the moment indian team is a very good side but what will happen in a yr or so when the 3 legenday batsmen will retire..that will leave indian team witha big vacuum to cover..ob the other hand pakistani side under the captaincy of misbah is showing signs of improvements..the recent example is the way pakistan over-powered the sri-lankans..

  • md sonu on November 16, 2011, 16:34 GMT

    I THINK SHAHID AFRIDI IS THE BEST CAPTAIN OF PAKISTA TEAM HE IS THE BEST ALROUDER IN THE WORLD AND HE IS MY FAVOURITE PLAYER

  • Moyukh on November 5, 2011, 16:47 GMT

    I hope these two countries will unite in the future. If that happens, rest assured, they will boss the cricketing world.

  • Harminder Sethi on November 3, 2011, 18:20 GMT

    A very entertaining but could have been a very fragmented article, I am glad we are seeing the better of it. Just a little bit of vomit does not despise a cheese & ham sandwich!I am not here to sign kudos to my country's superstars or falter any of Pakistani cricketer's accolades. My only request is don't just sing hosannas about anyone's past, (Pakistan being the better side because of more matches won) because as in for today India is clearly winning more matches. Again we are living in the DAY not in the past. Otherwise rightly spelled by the author to compare the two sides today in terms of solidity , India is clearly the better batting side with a good administrative unit & Pakistan has better bowlers with some already legendary umpires in Rauf & Dar.

    Some good wishes to all Pakistanis from an ordinary but a very proud Indian.

  • Raghavasimhan on October 31, 2011, 11:56 GMT

    While I like the article, i wont say Pakistan batting was inferior compared to that of India till the year 2000. While India never matched Pakistan's calibre in bowling (except matching them in spin department) today, overall in the history of cricket, i feel Pak better cricketing team than in India. Of course i do agree the last 10-11 years, India much better than Pakistan, but till Y2K, pakistan held the upper hand. As a cricket fan, I must admit that these 2 are never consistently, specially when they play overseas. For us, it could be India Vs Pakistan. But overall, we were always beatable by Australia or West Indies. India to some extent dominated world cricket for 2-3 years recently. Pakistan was good between 89-94.

  • Hammad on October 30, 2011, 8:14 GMT

    all time indopak team Saeed Anwar Sachin Tendulkar Sunil Gavaskar Zaheer Abbas Javed Miandad/Rahul Dravid Imran Khan (c) Kapil Dev Ms Dhoni Waseem Akram Waqar Younis Anil Kumble/Saqlain Mushtaq

    12th man Rahul Dravid.

  • Sudeep on October 27, 2011, 9:44 GMT

    A good article by Kamran Abbassi. One point came to my mind which I would say is a trademark of players from both countries - Disastrous Fielders. I guess if India and Pakistan were to play as a team no matter how good we bat and how good we bowl, our 'excellent' fielding will hand the match to our opponents!!! No pun intended!!!!

  • Mushtaq Patel on October 27, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    There should be an Indo Pak Test Series every two years just like the Ashes, we should play atleast Four Test Matches in each series if not five like in the Ashes Test Series.

  • M.Haseeb Imran Ali on October 25, 2011, 17:28 GMT

    above average parveen ??? hmm hahhaman u r joking bowlers of this type r in every street of Pakistan and aritifical conditions in England ??? hahhaha English r always same for everyone!!! man ranking does not matter when it comes to PAK VS IND OR AUS VS ENG so its always tough for each to beat other and thats the beauty of the game !

  • Krish on October 18, 2011, 15:24 GMT

    There is no comparison. First Pak needs to survive as a country and then comes rest. In test matches one is at the bottom of the pile and other is at the top. We can at most compare the teams for one day matches. Pak is lucky that UAE serves as a base for home matches otherwise things would have been even more tough. Bowling fast or spinning too much is not the criteria. The criteria is how brilliant the bowler is to get the wickets using suttle variations. There is not much point on gloating over success in England since the conditions and pitches seem so artificial. Even just an above average bowler like Praveen looks unplayable, leave alone really good ones.

  • Naresh Patel on October 18, 2011, 15:09 GMT

    I think we agree that Pakistan teams had more bowling talent. Indian team batting. Some of your comments about Sachin dont justify. To win matches India needs wicket taking bowlers. So Sachin could not have won games purely on batting. Anyway his records speak for themselves - real records, not dreamt up ones. Naresh28

  • SUD on October 15, 2011, 11:38 GMT

    @Arsalan..come on u r comparing Champion Sachin with Afridi....Look at no. of centuries sachin has made...even our Harbhajan is better than Afridi..who doesnt know anything but chuking in bowling and getting out for just 10-20 runs..and pakistani fans just cherish ur past coz it will not come again...open ur eyes and see the present situation of pakistan cricket

  • arnab on October 15, 2011, 6:26 GMT

    good piece of article :)

  • Andrabi 10 on October 11, 2011, 2:19 GMT

    nice comment azhar thats all we need good points

  • Javed on October 7, 2011, 13:51 GMT

    What IPL does to the bowlers is to change their line after every good shot played as there is a very little margin of error and only 24 deliveries per bowler to stay in the team and possibly be left out in the next match. This makes the bowlers pick up the bad habits. I am a Pakistani but I think two bowlers India didn't manage well to be a bowler power are Nehra (he has perfect action for left armer and uses his shoulders too) and Agarkar ( he has the most smooth and repeatable bowling action of all Indian bowlers).

    Batting wise If Pakistan has developed and showed some patience with Yasir Hameed, Wajahatullah Wasti and Basit Ali they would have done strenghten the batting along with Yousaf, Younas and Inzi.

    Similarly, Fawad Alam with domestic avg. of 58+ after playing nearly 60 matches has to be tried for a long period of time. He action and technique is bizzare but if Chanderpaul can make it why cant he.

  • Nasser Ali Khan on October 5, 2011, 11:05 GMT

    For once, I disagree with a lot of what Kamran says in this article. (A) Compare Pak in Eng 2010 and Ind in Eng 2011, in spite of huge numbers of dropped catches (Pakistan is easily the worst filding side) and the controversies. (B) Riaz's reply regarding the bottom line (C) India's batting strength is only recent. In the 70's,India had 2 great batsmen in Gavaskar and Vishwanath; the rest couldn't even bat at a moderate test standard. (D) The Indian batsmens' away record is dismal. That's why I rate Dravid very highly and then Laxman. Tendulkar only comes third. He was a complete failure in England this year, and he was at his prime, and was needed the most. (E) India's bowling is absolutely hopeless outside India. In England, no bowler apart from Sharma, even looked like taking a wicket. Currently, I feel India is number 4, after SA, Eng, & Aus; with Pak and SL to fight fight for 5th position. Pak has young team and India's is ageing; but PCCB is the biggest disadvantage for Pakistan

  • al on October 4, 2011, 22:58 GMT

    I Think both teams are equal n both teams produced so many great name but i think pakistan produced many more great players than india.

  • Ehsan on September 29, 2011, 13:21 GMT

    pakistan cricket in problem as they aren't playing at home.... if this happens to any team in world their performance will also go down.... Brett lee never bowled in pakistan and his retirement is on cards soon.

  • Balaji Krishnamurthy on September 26, 2011, 18:22 GMT

    I think the lack of batting in Pakistan in recent years can be attributed to the weak domestic structure in Pakistan, and the lack of opportunities in county cricket. Another is the lack of match play for the younger players. As a result, the Pakistani batsmen seem to throw it away after a stage. A case in point is Umar Akmal, who I have seen blow too many good starts. In a way playing Zimbabwe etc. is good for Pakistan because they can use this as match play before they try to climb up the cricket ladder. What Pakistan also need is a fairly stable team. The no. of players who have played for Pakistan and then disappeared is shocking.

  • Faridoon on September 25, 2011, 8:33 GMT

    Kamran bhai, long time no blog. Nothing on the Zim series or coach resignation or Shoaibs autobiography. Hope everything is well with you.

  • faisal khan on September 25, 2011, 7:44 GMT

    All time Indo-Pak Test 11:

    1. Gavaskar 2. Sehwag 3. Dravid 4. Tendulkar 5. Miandad 6. Imran 7. Kapil 8. Bari 9. Akram 10. Kumble 11. Waqar

  • praxis on September 24, 2011, 5:58 GMT

    @Iqbal, because Zimbabwe was playing, before this series BD toured there, I don't remember reading any blogs or many articles on this site about that either. Sometimes I really wish that teams like Zimbabwe or Bangladesh will get to the top, Zim is well set to the road of improvement, BD is still stuck in the same circle. I also hope Ireland will get test status someday.

  • saleem on September 23, 2011, 18:18 GMT

    hello everyone.... i believe that pakistan and india are great teams who have had really close calls over the past 60 years ....they both have developed great players ever since then... but i dont understand why wahab riaz is being ignored .... as wasim akram said when the pakistan squad was announced to go to zimbabwe .... muhammad amir (who was recently suspended for 5 years ) was the man who had the person potential to carry on the legacy of pakistan elite bowlers.... there's also a video about it on youtube so you guys can check it out .... but this youngster met his fate at the hands of the scandal... anyways when pakistan left for the world cup , afridi led a broken team , who had been suffering for 4 yrs eversince pak's defeat in 2007 world cup by the likes of ireland .... but when pakistan met india in mohali , the youngster wahab riaz was the talk of that day... my dad said that it reminded him of wasim akram when he took his wickets in the "92 world cup ....

  • Iqbal on September 22, 2011, 10:29 GMT

    A whole series was played between Pakistan and Zimbabwe and not a single blog about it?

  • Chacko Jacob on September 22, 2011, 7:34 GMT

    Kamran,Very nice article. I feel when I watch the current Pakistani team that their problems are more mental that anything else. All they need to do is find 2 openers who can hold out till lunch for the tests and for 10 overs in the 1-day format. The middle order talent I am seeing (Asad,Azar, Kamran, Umar) now surely has the class & will bloom in due time. Maybe a reassurance from the leaders in charge to the chosen players that they are in for the long haul will do them some good.Frequent changing / chopping helps no one.

  • Nauroze on September 21, 2011, 4:33 GMT

    In the All rounders department, i think Pakistan is well ahead of India, in the likes of

    Imran Khan Wasim Akram Azhar Mehmood Abdul Razzaq

    many more

  • Razza on September 20, 2011, 11:09 GMT

    I appreciated and glad to express my some words for this topic, I Love to watch both side (Pakistan & India) as One Unit against World-II, which I hope so, that can be possible. Indian Batting is Strong and Pakistani Bowling is Outstanding

  • Sheraz lone on September 20, 2011, 7:54 GMT

    Nice topic on which to comment as far as ind pak circket is concerned pak really dominated the world cricket from 1985-2003.Because of thier all round prefromance it were nt only the pace attack but good spinners and great batsmans.while ind was totally depandent on batting some how they produced one or two fast bowllers or spinners but where not able to dominate the world because team needs all round preformance.I hope both the teams will dominate the world ckt in future.

  • Riaz on September 19, 2011, 4:49 GMT

    Here is the bottom line as of today, in spite of Pakistan underperforming for the last decade:

    TEST CRICKET Pak vs India: Pakistan won 12, India won 9 All tests: India played 455, won 110, lost 143, win/loss 0.76 All tests: Pak played 359, won 109, lost 100, win/loss 1.09 Pakistan is 3rd behind Australia and England on all-time list of successful test teams based on win/loss ratio. Yes, a far better record than even South Africa or West Indies.

    ODI Pak vs India: Pakistan won 69, India won 47 All ODIs: India played 783, won 383, lost 360, win/loss 1.06 All ODIs: Pak played 752, won 404, lost 326, win/loss 1.24 Pakistan is 3rd behind South Africa and Australia on all-time list of successful ODI teams based on win/loss ratio. Yes, a far better record than even West Indies.

    What explanation to these academic spin-masters of CricInfo have for this clearly superior performance though Pak is outnumbered 7:1 in population?

  • Ali on September 18, 2011, 0:45 GMT

    While we are all going on and on about the extra ordinary achievements of individuals from subcontinent in cricket. I cant believe Ijaz Butt name havent popped up in the entire conversation.

  • Ahsan on September 17, 2011, 11:22 GMT

    By the way India not going good tehese days.... A 4-0 defat in TESTS A 1-0 defeat in T20 and A 3-0 defeat in ODI's!!!!!!!!!! cme n champs?? :-p

  • Asif kamal on September 14, 2011, 18:14 GMT

    first of all ,i m very grateful to the writer for bringing pak/indian cricket fans on a discussion where all showed great politeness to each other(which is rare watching comments on many sites)...it also reflects how can cricet bring us togather...in paistan the fast bowling talent usually comes from punjab while karachi produced some great batsmen with exception to zaheer,inzi and yousaf....india really needs good fast bowlers if it has to maintain its dominance in the world of cricket....its an evident fact that they have and had the best in universe batsmen but in modren cricket alone batting can not win matches....with loose balling its difficult to defend even 400 in an odi while strong bowling defended even 170 and below 200 as well.best wishes for a real fast bowler from india some new world class batsmen from pakistan.......plz respect each other as u did here and lets b friend as we were for centuries.

  • Qaisar Khan on September 14, 2011, 13:26 GMT

    yea i agree with that Pakistan is the best blowing side in the world our batsman are also world class never less in class and in record from any other country but the problem is our administration after Imran khan cricket administration is the reason for Pakistan Cricket. We produce great batsman than any other country still we have so many great batsman like younus, shafiq azarali etc.., & we are also better in al- rounder then India we have more class al-rounder then India have until now like Imran, Wasim, A.Razaq,Azar.M, India have only one great al-rounder K.Dev. Spinner also Pak have better then India. but now a days Indian are better in bating from Pakistan.... Thank You for such an articles

  • Nadeem Kureshi on September 14, 2011, 9:34 GMT

    I believe what we've got at hands today in Pakistani and Indian cricket, we have always been perfectly aligned to get that. Being a Pakistani, I know how bad and clueless batting is at grass root level. Recently I watched a packed Ramazan Night T-20 tournament in Karachi and I hardly remember one batsman who had sound technique, speaking of absent infrastructure. Yes there were bowlers, infact Sohail Khan has made it to the national team foe Zimbabwe. I dont a good technical batsman coming in Pakistan side for another 5-10 years; the bowlers will never stop coming. For India, good batsmen speak of good infrastructure. Some day, good bowlers might start appearing. Bottomline: As long as we don't have a good, prudent, rich board in Pakistan, we won't have good cricket.

  • Naresh Patel on September 13, 2011, 7:37 GMT

    It would be nice if both India and Pakistan could go back to playing each other in the their own countries. It would rekindle the so called dying "TEST CRICKET" England and Australia meet in the Ashes, so why not have a similiar tournament. Naresh28

  • pk vs ind on September 9, 2011, 15:33 GMT

    lovely, really enjoyed. Would love to see an upcoming series between the the two most exixciting teams in the world

  • sn qazi on September 9, 2011, 13:03 GMT

    I am very surprised how and why the " chala hua karttoos " Shoaib Malik was selected for the Zimbabwe tour . He is now way below the required standards for selection , His record both as a bowler and batsman in the last 1 5 innings he has played is pathetic .

  • Rana Mudassir on September 7, 2011, 12:42 GMT

    Nice one.. Pakistanis are indeed good bowlers but there is no one in top tens now a days..

  • Alrehman on September 6, 2011, 8:36 GMT

    Nice article, I am working with indians in Gulf and noticed that they moctly cool head people which applied to the whole nation and its a strong reason behind producing the great batsmaen. On other hand pakistanies are full of aggression and this help them to produce the genuine fast bowlers and due the same even their best batsmen not achived what they deserve. I believe in test and ODI's its the bowlers who produce the more results.In the end i think both teams are diffrent form each other and no comparison can justify the real talent of both countries.Good luck to Pakistan and Idian cricket.

  • Imran Younus on September 6, 2011, 8:06 GMT

    While considering the performances of both teams various factors are being ignored like in case of Pakistan we ignore the fact that we have not played a single match on home turf since2008/09, further how can you ignore the performances in world cup and twenty championship, performances against all leading teams have been good. I do believe that the current Pakistani team is far batter than its current ranking. Our team is lacking practice and the results will be batter with each passing series in coming days. In terms of our past I believe that our team has been far more balance than India. Through out the 70s to 2010 we had good batsman and good bowlers starting from Zaheer Abbas, Mustaq Muhammad, Asif, Moshin Hassan Khan, Javaid Miandad, Mudassa nazar, Inzmam, Saeed Anwar, Ramiz Raja, Saleem Malik, Amir Sohail, Younis Kahn, Muhammad Yousuf, Sarfaraz Nawaz, Imran Khan, Waseem Akram, Waqar, Shoiab, Saqlain, Muhamad Akran, Aqib, Muhammad Asif Muhammad Amir to the recent Umar GUl Wahab Riaz Saeed Ajmal and many up coming bowlers, in batting there is talent how ever again we have always failed on foreign soil so their true potential will not come out if they do not play on home soil as has been the case with all the batsman from Pakistan as well as India and lets hope that a miracle happens and PCB starts thinking about arranging matches on home soil

  • Krishna on August 25, 2011, 16:13 GMT

    @@Syed Arbab Ahmed A team needs good bowlers to contain and dismiss the opposition. India never had 4 top performing bowlers at the same time. Means we have to rely on batting to win. That was not the case with Pakistan. Inzy always had great bowlers on his side. Till 2003 he had W's and others. After that also he had so many match winning bowlers. Tendulkar like any batsman has to make only one mistake to get out, but 4 top bowlers get a chance at him again and again. Suppose India had W's and Akthars and Guls, India would have won more matches. Not to miss the spinners incl Afridi. So, your argument about who is bigger match winner does not take into account the strength of Pakistani Bowling. It appears Pakistani's aretaking their bowling strength for granted instead of appreciating.

  • tayyab Abbas on August 24, 2011, 7:16 GMT

    Well written article . . . but as many others has mentioned so do I, Pakistan batting line up has always been sufficient enough to provide their bowlers something to defend (not to mention chasing part). . . but Indians have always relied on their batting.

  • Syed Arbab Ahmed on August 24, 2011, 3:56 GMT

    Writer said "Pakistan enjoyed an endless supply of quality bowlers. For India, it was batsmen" = Well I don't fully agree as to me even the great Sachin Tendulkar is not as big match winner as Inzamam-ul-Haq, India produced batsmen who had great individual records but for the team they hardly performed.

  • Muzammil on August 21, 2011, 12:38 GMT

    It is really nice to see that world still remembers the bright past of Pakistan. But I have two question

    - Why most of the pakistanis forget the name Saeed Anwar, who is easily the most successful opener for the country in 64 years?

    - Pakistan batting has never been THAT bad except lately, may be after 2008. Name an era and we had a good, solid batsmen. If India had Gavasker, we had Javed Miandad. If india had Gandulay and Tendulkar, we had Saeed Anwar and Amir Sohail. If india had VVS Laxman, Dravid and Azhar-ud-Din, we had Ijaz Ahmad, Muhammad Yousaf and Inzamam.

    Now if most of the time these batsmen failed due to irresponsible shots, one can not say India always had better batting. Well these are just my own thoughts, one can disagree.

  • Deepak on August 20, 2011, 18:40 GMT

    There is no dearth of talent in either of these sides. Sports should be taken in a right spirit. All players would want to perform to the best of their capabilities. Morning and evening are two facets of nature therefore each individual goes through ups & downs in one's life. Comparing cricketers who played under different situations, times, and able leaderships cannot be compared. My take on all time greats would be those, who have performed in opponents den and the list includes: Sachin, Rahul, Gavaskar, Kapil, Kumble,Wasim, Waqar, Imran, Anwar, Inzamam, Younis, Saqlain, Yousuf etc.

  • TD_160 on August 20, 2011, 13:06 GMT

    On paper, Pakistan still has a decent batting line up and they have one of the best pace attacks in the world. Sri Lanka has demonstrated that you don't need to have a world class cricket academy, or even good infrastructure at the grassroots level, to be an elite level cricketing nation. You cannot say Sri Lanka, for example, is a more talented team than Pakistan, and yet they are ranked higher in all formats. Pakistan's problems arise from player management. Their selection policy does not appear to follow a long-term plan, and they should have done something about the culture within the national team years ago.

  • saud on August 20, 2011, 6:44 GMT

    Despite their poor batting Pakistan won a test match in their tour or England. India are highly unlikely to register a win. Conclusion: Great bowling and average batting will still win you test matches. Great batting (on paper) and ordinary bowling won't.

  • jawwad on August 19, 2011, 23:19 GMT

    forget batting, balling, fielding everything.

    Pakistan needs more test cricket in ICC calendar and India needs little lesser than they are currently doing.

    It will raise the performance for both countries and it will make sure that Test cricket can survive in sub-continent for another few decades at least.

    And I'm afraid this is not possible until both administrations are cleaned up and more sportsmen / sincere (to sports not to money) people are hired for the jobs.

  • Naeem on August 19, 2011, 20:15 GMT

    Yes we had some good batsmen too but the biggest difference in the history of our two nations batting will be indias Sachin Tandulkar and Gavesker vs Miandad. And thats two to one. And I surely regard Gavesker being best of the 3 (taking in to account batting conditions and quality of opposition bowling). BUT future of indian cricket doesn't look so good. No world class spinner or fast bowler and no new batsmen filling Dravid, Laxman and Tandulkar's shoes. India needs to employ Wasim, Shoaib, Kapil and Srinath to work on grass root level to find bowlers for a time 6-8 years forward. They have money and should spend it with long term planning.

  • Ali Khan on August 19, 2011, 15:17 GMT

    It's not as if Pakistanis don't produce good bastmen. Even today we have great young bastmen - Umar Akmal, Mohammed Hafeez, Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Fawad Alam, Khalid Latif, Ramiz Raja, Sharjeel Ahmed, etc.

    The problem has always been lack of proper coaching. We never hire good World class coaches such as Andy Flower or Greg Chappel and our current coaching department is bowling heavy.

  • M.Haseeb Imran Ali on August 19, 2011, 14:52 GMT

    well guys last 3 years Indian team is performing good and dominating world cricket before surely this on going ENG-IND test series before that i don't see any Indian team dominating cricket anywhere from 92 on-wards and case of Pakistan is much better Pakistan was a dominating force of cricket in 90s decade along with Australia and Srilanka and still if PCB is managed by good mind of people and Pakistan play with its full strength its still a force to be mentioned

  • Muazzam Ali on August 19, 2011, 14:48 GMT

    Well Pakistan team is more capable than the record they are showing! We have awsome fast bowlers and inventor spinning talent.Batting is creating a little problems for us! But hopes never end. We have young and exciting Umer Akamal and New faces of Rameez Raja Junior. Misbah has been great in test matches. I hope we'll Rock the world!

  • Balumekka on August 19, 2011, 14:27 GMT

    I'm a Sri Lankan fan but that does'nt bother me to consider that more than any other country, Pakistan have produced more talented and gifted cricketers. However for some reason we have been not so lucky to see the talents of these players, for longer duration. Its shocking to see how Pakistan cricket administrators mismanaged (of course players too responsible for what had happened to them partly!) high quality players like Akthar, Aamir, Asif, Saqlain.... the list continues!!!! Imagine if any of these bowlers were from India, they would have been well managed and would have played for the country for a longer period (on top of that they will be paid so high, will definitely be bloated up by the media!). When you consider the talent they showed, None of the Subcontinental bowlers were better than them. Just pathetic.

  • Eskay on August 19, 2011, 12:39 GMT

    Kamran, great as usual. The Darwinian inference is pure genius...but what about the fielding?

  • Harsh Thakor on August 19, 2011, 10:30 GMT

    The best Pakistan teams were close to the all-time best sides.Mushtaq Muhammad's team from 1976-1979 had a phenomenally strong batting line up with the likes of Zaheer Abbas,Majid Khan,Asif Iqbal,Javed Miandad.etc Imran Khan's 1986-1988 team had one of the most versatile attacks with the talent of Wasim Akram,Abdul Qadir and Imran himself.Imran's team also had great batting depth with Wasim batting at no 9.Mushtaq's team drew with a champion Australian taem in 1976-77 and gave the West Indies a run for their money on Carribaen soil losing only 2-1 after the same caypsos had vanquished England 3-0 the previous summer in England.Morally,Pakistan were the unofficial world test champs in 1988 as dubious umpiring decisions prevented them from beating West Indies and becoming the 1st team to win a series in the Carribean,since 1973.

    At their best India has not equaled the best Pakistan test teams,who posessed more balanced bolwing attacks and as effective batting.

  • avinash on August 19, 2011, 6:36 GMT

    Very fair point..But it has been proved through repetition that ONLY bowlers win matches,so future is good for pakistan,they wont go lower than where they already are.As for INDIA,no good upcoming batsmen and lets not talk about hypothetical things like indian fast bowling.

  • Muzammil on August 19, 2011, 5:26 GMT

    @All....plz dont remind me the pakistani past, how much time we will have rely on past?

  • Salma on August 19, 2011, 1:50 GMT

    We gave cricket: Art of late swing and doosra. we gave it the fastest bowler on earth and unanimously recognised greatest left hand fast bowler.

  • Syed J. Ahmed on August 18, 2011, 22:17 GMT

    I'm sorry but Pakistani batsmen are about just as good as Indian batsmen. The only problem with our batsmen is that the the Pakistani board doesn't look after it's players and just tosses them around. If players like Javed Miandad, Saeed Anwar and Mohammad Yousef played as many games as Sachin or Dravid they would've easily surpassed most batting records.

  • shakir hasnain on August 18, 2011, 20:05 GMT

    What baffles me is the utter disregard shown to the singularly gifted Wasim Raja in the commentary and journalism surrounding this ailing sport.

    And mr Ghum Kumar , that is quite a team you put together up there but you´ve probably given Kapil a heart attack with that !

  • CoolDude on August 18, 2011, 20:03 GMT

    @Ali..what Younis Khan...Pleeezzzzzzeee!

  • Krishna on August 18, 2011, 17:54 GMT

    Pakistan always had super strong and set bowling attack with less injuries. If only they had fielded well they would have been up there with great Westindies side. Your bowling attack is next to the great WI lineup. India always had great team of batsmen and they stuck around for long time say 10 -15 years. Yes you also had great batsmen but you also put in a lot more batting allrounders at top. We - Indians always filled the stadium fully knowing the superiority of your bowling attack. When looking at Indian batting, hope Pakistani fans understand that Indians had to face great(greatest) bowlers and still we were able to draw matches. That to me is an accomplishment as we do not have bowlers to take 20 wkts. Is it easy to face Imran, 2 W's, Saqlain, Shoaib,Aquib in combination? So let us enjoy the game and not indulge in useless comparison.

  • Saina Nehwal on August 18, 2011, 12:32 GMT

    @abin and @Sreenivaasen.S are right we should have been playing together rather than against each other. from 340 BCE to c. 320 BCE, and then again from 1857 to 1947, we were actually one single country, so there are precedents for a united sub-continent even before the name India was coined by the British after the river Indus.

  • ghumkumar on August 18, 2011, 12:12 GMT

    India Pakistan dream team: Gavaskar, Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid, Miandad, Imran (c), Kirmani/Dhoni, Akram, Qadir, Waqar, Aamer. 12th man Kapil Dev

  • arsalan on August 18, 2011, 9:29 GMT

    well i dont know y indian peoples says to sachin is world champion batsmen how many hunderes he did when india needed at the right time hardly 7 and 8 ??? u hve seen the example in the semi final match against paki he got 4 chances after that he did made a century thats really was shocker a world class batsmen did the same thing again and again and again he got out in the same fashion no doubt he got class but hes not no 1 batmens if afridi got the 4 chances he might got take away the match so easily

  • Ali on August 18, 2011, 8:54 GMT

    Saeed Anwar and Younis Khan both belong in that list of great Pakistani batsman. Anwar as an overall great and Younis as a test great.

  • Zaheer on August 18, 2011, 7:14 GMT

    There is no way that Vengsarkar can ever be considered a batsman of similar class as Gavaskar. I can not see how Pakistani batting throughout the years can be termed weaker than India's when it produced batsmen like Javed Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Haneef Muhammad, Majid Khan, Asif Iqbal, Saleem Malik, Inzamam, Saeed Anwar, Yusuf and Yunus.

    If during the last 10 years, India has been winning more matches through its batting and Pakistan through its bowling, it does not mean at all that this was always the case. Cricket teams go through phases as is Pakistani team going through the phase of weaker batting and stronger bowling.

    So it is absurd to portray a temporary phase as a permanent condition and start jumping to conclusions about performance of cricket boards.

  • abin on August 18, 2011, 3:40 GMT

    @rustyryan- i appreciate ur thinking, really india and pakistan are supposed to be playing together, not against each other....this team would've been impossible to beat....

  • Vikram on August 18, 2011, 3:23 GMT

    As always a brilliant article.

  • Nawaz on August 18, 2011, 2:55 GMT

    1,2 billion people and no real fast bowler... Why didn't BCCI started nourishing fast bowlers from nursery level when they knew that its a long lasting problem. Indian board has a lot of money and they could have copied the football system from football infrastructure of European countries where there hundreds of clubs with coaches and professional facilities for small kid of all ages.

  • Shahid on August 18, 2011, 2:49 GMT

    Dear Kamran, thanks for nice article. I must add that untill 80's Pakistan wasn't any less a force than India as for as batting goes. If they had Gavesker, Wishvanath and Vengsarker, we had Majid, Miandad, Zaheer, Asif iqbal, Mushtaq Mohammad and ofcourse Imran himself with a batting average of 50 in his 10 years of captainship. Even in the following decades we didn't do any worse as Saeed Anwer, Inzi, Younis and Yousef are always among the best in the history of the game and a fractional indian batting supiriority was always balanced by presence of our some what better allrounders. Our real bad patch started lately when after departure of our old guard we never found able placements. There are some specific reasons which contributed to the problem. One of them being no home matches, second being even bigger problem that our youngester are deprieved of the side matches which a touring team plays and in this sense their exposure to international standards is taken away.

  • shakir hasnain on August 17, 2011, 21:06 GMT

    Kamran, maybe these few names will help you see the light.

    Majid Khan Wasim Raja Sadiq Mohammad Asif Iqbal

    The pakistani greats were right up there with the best of them. Sachin, for all his achievements, is not even half as good as Gavaskar.

    And please change your pic !

  • AustralianRules on August 17, 2011, 15:55 GMT

    @kIwi...I am 23 years old kid and I have been watching cricket since last 10 years or so..I have not seen Pakistan defeated India in long time long time except one or two here n there..dont expect our new generation and kids lime me from India any mercy..we are here born to Win...Have you seen attitude of Rainas, Kohli, Rohit when they play against Pak..you got it.

  • CoolDude on August 17, 2011, 15:47 GMT

    @Pir..you cannot just look at this one particular series. India defeated England in England last time they visited. England have not even come close to defeating India in last 18 years.

    @KiwiRocker..Kohli, Raina..they all have successful careers in ODIs..Test stuff is completely different. I have yet to see any young players in last 3 years that has emerged from any team as Test batsman. This is just 20/20 effect.

  • AustralianRules on August 17, 2011, 15:41 GMT

    @KiwiRocker...Pakistan became very good team after 1985 the arrival of Wasim Akram and then came Waqar. Before that they were even lost Sharjah and Benson and Hedges against India. Just like Indian batsman you mentioned not tried, Pakistan bowlers have been disappearing much faster and they even havent played even quality teams yet.

  • Jitesh Chandan on August 17, 2011, 15:25 GMT

    I am strongly convinced that the pak team of 1990-2003 was the best they ever had ,extraordinary bowling line and excellent batting line up but not done the justice with there talent.Only pak s wer capable of Challenging mighty aussies and surpassing them man to man they were better than aussies blessed with legendary Wasim bhai ,waqar ,shoaib, saqlain, should have won many many more matches.In this decade India have done preety well winning the test matches and series overseas.World cup will always be the biggest acheivement of Team India.

  • harshvardhan on August 17, 2011, 15:12 GMT

    And batting bowling at par meant that its competeable with other team not against each other

  • Kartikeya Singh on August 17, 2011, 14:57 GMT

    Kamran,

    I can never understand Pakistani fans' lament about batting in comparison to ours. While there is no doubt that Pakistan has historically been blessed with fast bowlers of an entirely different class from India's I don't think the gap in batting riches has been anywhere near that level (at least until the 90s).

    I remember when Pakistani batting (as much as the bowling) used to be India's envy (especially in terms of how they performed against us in 80s etc.). I do agree though that things have been slightly different from the late 90s but who's to say that trend will continue?

    Regards, Kartikeya

  • Richard S on August 17, 2011, 13:54 GMT

    I think Pakistan produces such good and innovative bowlers, of both spin and speed, for two reasons. a) Their pitches are so lifeless you need to come up with something special to get batsmen out. b) I'd imagine grass roots coaching is pretty thin on the ground in Pakistan and therefore youngsters are left to develop new and bizarre variations without it being coached out of them or of being accused of wasting time on pointless tricks. The same lack of organisation maybe puts paid to developing batsmen because their bad habits never get ironed out? I think if Pakistan were able to pick all their best players at once, either because they hadn't fell out with the board or weren't banned, then they would be as good as they were in the 80's to mid 90's and would be up there with England and South Africa at the top of the rankings. Hafeez, Butt, Younis, Youssuf, U Akmal, Afridi, a wicket keeper, Aamer, Riaz, Ajmal, Amir (or Gul/Junaid Khan/Sami) would be an excellent side if properly administered, coached and motivated. If I were the Pakistan board I would arrange a series v India in England, the interest and crowds would be huge and they could sit back and enjoy Pakistan's quick me destroy India's clueless against swing batting line up!

  • Srini on August 17, 2011, 12:59 GMT

    Ind and Pak will have a common thread very soon. They both will be rebuilding sides in all respects. Yusuf, Wounis, Misbah, Afridi, Akthar (Pak), Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Shewag, Zaheer, Harbhajan (Ind) will have retired or going to. World cricket needs these two teams to be strong (along with Sri Lanka) to match the following and revenue they raise to sustain and grow this great sport for decades to come.

  • harshvardhan on August 17, 2011, 9:58 GMT

    Guess what both the teams lack desperately is good fielders and atheletes like south africans,australians and kiwis but unfortunately we always curse our ground conditions when we know we genuinely lack culture of athelticism and its what we lack batting bowling is at par Guess what both the teams lack desperately is good fielders and atheletes like south africans,australians and kiwis but unfortunately we always curse our ground conditions when we know we genuinely lack culture of athelticism and its what we lack batting bowling is at par

  • KiwiRocker on August 17, 2011, 9:57 GMT

    Good article and very timely from Abbasi. Agreed with everything however one important point to note is the bench strength of both teams. While Pakistan dominated from 1980-2000 and probably were among top three teams with West Indies and Australia, India has dominated in the last decade. However, Pakistani team seems to be showing an upwards trend due to a relatively stable captain and their bench strength in bowling is pretty good with endless supply of fast bowlers. Batting still seems a weak link but there are few good new talents such as Asad Shafiq, Umar Akmal and so on. On other hand for India, obviously bowling is as bad as it gets but more worryingly who is next Indian Dravid or Laxman? India's new line of batsmen Raina, Kohli, Pujara, Gambhir etc have been tried, tested and failed against quality oppositions. Loss of two W's and Inzemam UL haq did hit Pakistan hard but they sustained it..I am not convinced that India can cope with loss of their old hands!

  • Sreenivaasan.S on August 17, 2011, 9:32 GMT

    When will a united team from India and Pakistan play together? It'll be a sight for the gods. Natural Fast bowlers from Pak and Prodigal Indian Batsmen!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring on the world i say!!!

    India should help Pakistan out of this cricket "Alcatraz". Cricket can be the unifying force between the two nations. Put some sane cricketing brains in BBCI and PCB admin and this can be achieved

  • Vishwa on August 17, 2011, 9:23 GMT

    Rauf and Aleem Dar - true Cricketing heros from Pakistan. Rauf has been perfect in India-England series.

  • Fox on August 17, 2011, 8:05 GMT

    I think no other Indian batsmen has harassed Pakistan like Sehwag did.

  • Noman Aziz on August 17, 2011, 6:20 GMT

    We need to stop living in past and look ahead. Pakistan batting can only improve if drastic changes were made at the domestic level and our selection policy. Pakistani selector are always after young talent who would dazzle everyone with his skills. This policy is not working. We need to select batsmen from slightly mature domestic crickers (aged 25-30+) who have spents years and years under the sun. These batsmen are more likely to withstand the pressure of International cricket than the young ones

  • Saud on August 17, 2011, 5:30 GMT

    Whenever Pakistan's current ranking is discussed, mention must always be made of the loss of home advantage. This is an issue that is conveniently ignored by all commenting on Pakistan's recent results. If possible, please re-tabulate international rankings considering only away games for all sides and see how Pakistan fares in your next blog.

  • rustyryan on August 17, 2011, 5:26 GMT

    If only India and Pakistan were together, Wow. Sachin and Anwar opens the innings. Wasim and Kapil opening spell. Saqlin and Kumble in the middle overs. Gone are the golden days of 90s. Problem is there is no work ethic with the current breed of players from both countries. SRT,VVS and Dravid are the last of its kind. Similarly with Wasim and Akthar , gone the skill and raw pace. Though there are players to follow the legends in both countries, Its utterly impossible to recreate a pace bowling spell of WAsim and Waquar as well as opening batting of Ganguly and Sachin. 90s was the greatest period of India-Pakistan cricket.

  • Waqar on August 17, 2011, 5:18 GMT

    "These batting riches are beyond the dreams of Pakistanis who have had to be satisfied with a disintegrating line of Hanif Mohommad, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, Inzamam-ul Haq, and Mohammad Yousuf, a heritage which ends in nothingness"

    I believe these maestros along with Saeed Anwer are not less in any mean if compare to indian batting greats.

    Overall it is a well written article.....

  • Ijaz on August 17, 2011, 5:17 GMT

    True thoughts and perfect article but i guess sonn will be the time when Pakistan will reegain its supremacy in cricket. Pakistan Team is the most unpredictabel and talented side in the world and the kind if bowling attack they always had, even a slight hope in batting can bring Pakistan amongst the top. Whereas in Inidia Team no doubt still there are some LEGENDS of cricket but all in terms of batting and still no one can see any hope of seeing good bowlers from India's side because you ca hardly point out a good find from IPL, which is the biggest stage for India Cricket.

  • Dr. Ali on August 17, 2011, 4:43 GMT

    I must say that the way this Pakistan team is performing under current circumstances you have to give them a huge round of applause. There is no International cricket being played in Pakistan and rightly so nobody can gamble with their lives in such volatile country. This is not a failure of Pakistan cricketers but of ours as a people, as a nation and as a country. If our cities are so unsafe that no one wants to play on our fields then whats the point in playing at all? Honestly I think we have alot of work to do to fix our country first. All we need is to give our kids a peaceful environment and their techniques will fall in place themsleves. I absolutely disagree that Indian batters are any better than Pak's. We have dominated them in 70's, 80's and in 90's and will dominate them again if we try to solve some of our own problems first.

  • Pir Qaisar Shah on August 17, 2011, 4:20 GMT

    If we compare the present Indian tam against last year Pakistan tour of England, despite no batsman like Tendulkar, Dravid or Lakshman, Pakistan won two test matches on England soil, one against the mighty Aussies and second against England. Despite dropping too many catches, and without top batsman like, no Younas, Yousf Pakistan sometimes outclassed the English team especially their Opening pair. check the English pair record of last year in test matches, and also they were helpless against Asif and Amir. Unfortunately the management nonprofessional approach destroyed that tour of Pakistan. If a good leader like Wasim, Miandad or Imran was even that young team the result would be totally different. Keeper like Kamran and also no good slip fielder how many catches we drop. Now consider the performance of Indian team a disaster with the top batsmen in the world the way they play. If a good and a through professional leader with no ego prestige Pakistan still can beat any team of world

  • CoolDude on August 17, 2011, 2:40 GMT

    You forgot to mention Ganguly/Gundappa Viswanath...Pakistan umpires are right now doing good job and kudos to them. But not long time ago VenkatRaghavan was considered best umpire till he retired along with Ramaswamy.

  • Anonymous on August 17, 2011, 2:29 GMT

    Author also have forgotten Gautam Gambhir and Sehwag, they are legends in making. This is the first series in which India have miserably fail. I dont remember any series in last 7-8 years where they have performed so bad. It can be mental exhaustion. Once you win WC, the only way is down.

  • Anonymous on August 17, 2011, 2:25 GMT

    You forgot the biggest Gamechanger according to me from Indian side i.e. Sehwag.

  • Faizan Shaikh on August 16, 2011, 20:54 GMT

    Disintegrating Line of Hanif and Miandad and Inzi and Abbass?????? The names that u have put through are Huge and in noway any less than the Indian Batsmen that you have mentioned........Yes they havent actually put together the sort of records that Indian Batsmen have accomplished but there follow alot of reasoning for that aswell. Anyway, Kudos for some of the all time gr8s from both the sides......Battle continuous...!!!

  • Muzammil on August 16, 2011, 20:10 GMT

    - Just keep writing about pakistan legends of the past. I love to keep reading about them. "Hopelessness is sin" is true but to be hopeful, one must be on the right track. I am sorry to say but I dont think PCB is on the right track.

    - One must stop comparing India and Pakistan. We are different countries and have different strengths and weaknesses.

  • Adeel Siddiqie on August 16, 2011, 19:19 GMT

    Nice article, but why is Saeed Anwar always ignored in the list of Pakistani batting greats. Ability wise he was far better then Mohammed Yousuf. He scored runs everywhere, had a better record in Australia then most. He was poetry in motion when playing. Please include him in the future. He was better then vvs laxman or ganguly... A real pity this...

  • Raheel Hussain on August 16, 2011, 18:17 GMT

    Salaam and Hello.An aptly titled piece and an interesting article which articulates the wonderful talent that has emerged from Pak/Ind over the past 6 decades.You see apart from some of the idioctic comments over this era from non-Asian pundits about the integrity of players from the sub-continent, especially from Pakistan, there is no doubt that in terms of raw talent, there is no other nation that can compare with Pakistan for fast bowlers and India for batsmanship. Simply put, cricket runs in the veins akin to football in England. Players in Ind/ Pak have had to survive for livelihoods bearing in mind their demographic and economic backgrounds. Political wranglings, spurious accusations of cheating, recent unhelpful comments from the Michael Vaughan's of this world and facilities that some english clubs could better makes things hard for both nations, particularly Pakistan. Pak & Ind will turn it around based primarily on Pak's scrapping abilities and Ind's organisational skills

  • Ali Khan on August 16, 2011, 16:44 GMT

    As always very enjoyable and perfect thoughts.

  • Azhar on August 16, 2011, 16:21 GMT

    And at present, Pakistani team is in the middle of the pack. England, Aus, India and Sri Lanka are probably better than us while New Zealand, Windies, Bdesh, Zimbabwe are below us and I am not talking about crappy ICC ratings. Just a cricketing hunch.

    And think about this: IF it were not for the million drop catches, we could have made the WC final. Think about it. We beat some pretty good teams along the way.

    As a Pakistani fan, I am hopeful. Very hopeful. All we need is some good cricketing brain and good sincere people at the top.

    Thanks for the nice article. You bring out the best in us.

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  • Azhar on August 16, 2011, 16:21 GMT

    And at present, Pakistani team is in the middle of the pack. England, Aus, India and Sri Lanka are probably better than us while New Zealand, Windies, Bdesh, Zimbabwe are below us and I am not talking about crappy ICC ratings. Just a cricketing hunch.

    And think about this: IF it were not for the million drop catches, we could have made the WC final. Think about it. We beat some pretty good teams along the way.

    As a Pakistani fan, I am hopeful. Very hopeful. All we need is some good cricketing brain and good sincere people at the top.

    Thanks for the nice article. You bring out the best in us.

  • Ali Khan on August 16, 2011, 16:44 GMT

    As always very enjoyable and perfect thoughts.

  • Raheel Hussain on August 16, 2011, 18:17 GMT

    Salaam and Hello.An aptly titled piece and an interesting article which articulates the wonderful talent that has emerged from Pak/Ind over the past 6 decades.You see apart from some of the idioctic comments over this era from non-Asian pundits about the integrity of players from the sub-continent, especially from Pakistan, there is no doubt that in terms of raw talent, there is no other nation that can compare with Pakistan for fast bowlers and India for batsmanship. Simply put, cricket runs in the veins akin to football in England. Players in Ind/ Pak have had to survive for livelihoods bearing in mind their demographic and economic backgrounds. Political wranglings, spurious accusations of cheating, recent unhelpful comments from the Michael Vaughan's of this world and facilities that some english clubs could better makes things hard for both nations, particularly Pakistan. Pak & Ind will turn it around based primarily on Pak's scrapping abilities and Ind's organisational skills

  • Adeel Siddiqie on August 16, 2011, 19:19 GMT

    Nice article, but why is Saeed Anwar always ignored in the list of Pakistani batting greats. Ability wise he was far better then Mohammed Yousuf. He scored runs everywhere, had a better record in Australia then most. He was poetry in motion when playing. Please include him in the future. He was better then vvs laxman or ganguly... A real pity this...

  • Muzammil on August 16, 2011, 20:10 GMT

    - Just keep writing about pakistan legends of the past. I love to keep reading about them. "Hopelessness is sin" is true but to be hopeful, one must be on the right track. I am sorry to say but I dont think PCB is on the right track.

    - One must stop comparing India and Pakistan. We are different countries and have different strengths and weaknesses.

  • Faizan Shaikh on August 16, 2011, 20:54 GMT

    Disintegrating Line of Hanif and Miandad and Inzi and Abbass?????? The names that u have put through are Huge and in noway any less than the Indian Batsmen that you have mentioned........Yes they havent actually put together the sort of records that Indian Batsmen have accomplished but there follow alot of reasoning for that aswell. Anyway, Kudos for some of the all time gr8s from both the sides......Battle continuous...!!!

  • Anonymous on August 17, 2011, 2:25 GMT

    You forgot the biggest Gamechanger according to me from Indian side i.e. Sehwag.

  • Anonymous on August 17, 2011, 2:29 GMT

    Author also have forgotten Gautam Gambhir and Sehwag, they are legends in making. This is the first series in which India have miserably fail. I dont remember any series in last 7-8 years where they have performed so bad. It can be mental exhaustion. Once you win WC, the only way is down.

  • CoolDude on August 17, 2011, 2:40 GMT

    You forgot to mention Ganguly/Gundappa Viswanath...Pakistan umpires are right now doing good job and kudos to them. But not long time ago VenkatRaghavan was considered best umpire till he retired along with Ramaswamy.

  • Pir Qaisar Shah on August 17, 2011, 4:20 GMT

    If we compare the present Indian tam against last year Pakistan tour of England, despite no batsman like Tendulkar, Dravid or Lakshman, Pakistan won two test matches on England soil, one against the mighty Aussies and second against England. Despite dropping too many catches, and without top batsman like, no Younas, Yousf Pakistan sometimes outclassed the English team especially their Opening pair. check the English pair record of last year in test matches, and also they were helpless against Asif and Amir. Unfortunately the management nonprofessional approach destroyed that tour of Pakistan. If a good leader like Wasim, Miandad or Imran was even that young team the result would be totally different. Keeper like Kamran and also no good slip fielder how many catches we drop. Now consider the performance of Indian team a disaster with the top batsmen in the world the way they play. If a good and a through professional leader with no ego prestige Pakistan still can beat any team of world