England news April 9, 2013

Collier forced to make IPL plea

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David Collier, the ECB chief executive, has urged the BCCI to reschedule future IPL seasons to dovetail more successfully with the England first-class season in response to pressure from England players who are clamouring to participate in the event.

In an interview with the Times, Collier revealed that he has been holding regular talks with officials from the BCCI, Cricket Australia and Cricket South Africa with a view to finding a solution to the tensions created within international cricket by the growth of domestic T20 leagues. Discussions have been ongoing for several months.

Collier has contended that, in future years, the IPL can be completed before the end of April to allow England players to participate without compromising their involvement in England's international schedule which starts in mid-May. This year's IPL ends on May 26.

"We have had very fruitful talks with India," Collier said. "In an ideal world, we would like the IPL to be concluded by April 30, which is the cooler season for India. We have put that to them, they are doing their best, but they realise there are some limitations.

"It would make things a lot easier for us. We still have to get the workload balance right, but it would make it a lot easier for our players to be available for that period and certainly the BCCI are fully aware of that. There is a willingness on the part of both boards to see if we can make any progress."

The talks come in the context of the ECB re-negotiating the value of central contracts with England players. The players' union, the Professional Cricketers' Association, is requesting substantial pay increases to compensate its members for their non-appearance, or at best fleeting appearance, in the IPL, and have argued that Australian players earn far more from their Board and have more opportunity to appear in T20 leagues such as the IPL and Big Bash.

As a consequence, the ECB, eager not to raise the value of the contracts above sustainable levels, are seeking other ways to allow its players to supplement their incomes. Collier's India discussions have perhaps carried most importance in openly displaying a willingness to negotiate a better deal for England's players as they make their impatience clear about their exclusion from such a high-profile tournament.

That the IPL is bloated and has invaded England's traditional season is beyond debate. But there appears to be little scope for the IPL finishing before the end of April for the next three years. The World Twenty20 in Bangladesh is scheduled to run from March 16 to April 6 in 2014, with the World Cup in Australia and New Zealand likely to run from February until the end of March 2015 and the World Twenty20 of 2016 scheduled to run in India until mid-April.

While some have suggested the IPL could be shortened by scheduling three games per day, it seems unlikely that the BCCI would accept the subsequent reduction in advertising and sponsorship revenues.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

Comments have now been closed for this article

  • on April 10, 2013, 6:30 GMT

    The harsh bottom line for the ECB is that unless they allow their centrally-contracted players to take part in the IPL on a full-time basis, some of the players in question (KP, Morgan, Prior & Swann being the most prominent examples) may well decide to reject their ECB contracts altogether & go freelance in order to maximise their earning potential while they're still considered as marketable commodities by the IPL franchises. If the ECB wants to head off a painfully inevitable players' rebellion which would have potentially catastrophic consequences for English cricket, the time to compromise is *now*.

    How would such a compromise work in practice? Easy: simply take the first mid-May Test - which, in any case, is almost always poorly attended and/or ruined by rain - out of the schedule altogether. It might even be a blessing in disguise, as a six-Test summer would allow for mouth-watering single six-match series to be played against Australia, South Africa, India & Pakistan.

  • Cpt.Meanster on April 9, 2013, 19:01 GMT

    What a lot of English fans don't understand or realize is that the IPL is packaged and marketed towards FAMILIES. In the months of March to early April, school kids have their exams. Education takes priority over cricket ANY DAY. Hence, from a marketing and commercial perspective, it makes a lot of sense for the BCCI to fix the IPL between April and May, when there are holidays for kids. Also, it's the BEST time to play cricket in India; no monsoon weather or extreme heat. Coming to England, I have been to the UK many times and I do know that the weather there is murky, and rainy for pretty much the entire summer with a few openings of sunny weather here and there. This puts the entire Ashes into question as well and also this whole elaborate idea of the 'English Summer'. Frankly speaking, I cannot see the BCCI accept this offer. The IPL WILL continue to be a 7 week tournament forever and it will be played in April and May. Except of course a world cup year or ICC event.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 9, 2013, 14:48 GMT

    @jmcilhinney, you are right. Everything is not just black and white. Also, it is not as simple as you seem to think about Indian Cricket and its relation to non-summer cricket. It's not related to the seasons (summer vs non-summer) in India. IPL is directly related to our entire country's children and their examinations, especially mothers and grandparents. I'm not sure if it is a fair request to start with by ECB to ask for a billion families to compromise for the sake of 4 English players. Simple solution is for ECB to stop preventing their players from playing in IPL and issue NOC to those English players who want to play. Trust me, IPL is damn famous in Caribbean as well. Yohan Blake is tweeting about it everyday. I myself was in Caribbean for a while and I know personally how popular IPL is there. SA, Aus, NZ, SL, WI, Bangla - no board has a problem with IPL or they have compromised with IPL/BCCI. ECB needs to be open-minded. Cricket has moved East, as Mark Nicholas put it.

  • frazell on April 9, 2013, 14:38 GMT

    This is a problem. I can see both points of view, the English game is far more limited in terms of when it can be played due to the climate etc. (it is bad enough in the middle of September, it would be impossible to play in the middle of October- for a start there will barely be enough daylight) and it has has been around for far longer (hundreds of years), so i would argue the IPL has stolen the english slot. However, i suppose why should the IPL move to accommodate English players? For me a shorter IPL is the best solution, regardless of this issue it is too long anyway for me, after a 2-3 weeks I normally lose interest, but the sponsors and BCCI won't want that as fewer matches = less revenue.

  • JG2704 on April 12, 2013, 20:23 GMT

    @ Si Bakeron (April 10, 2013, 6:30 GMT) It could happen that way but I as it stands I'm not sure it will. I mean KP would have been thee most likely and after a messy 2012 where ECB held firm , KP decided (for whatever reason) that he wanted to play for Eng at the expense of playing a full IPL. Re Swann - he wasn't taken in the 2011 (or was it 2012) auction so if he decided not to renew his contract it would be a bit of a gamble. Same with Prior and pretty much any other Eng player. Actually Morgan will probably not be offered another CC. I mean he has done nothing - both in terms of commitment and runs - to try and regain his place in the side. If so I think Morgan may go freelance which is probably the right move for him. Collier IMO doesn't think/care (if) his requests get considered. It's just a token effort to appease some of the Eng players.

  • JG2704 on April 12, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    @Stup1d - Totally agree with all your post although I wonder whether it is 100% the players choice re playing BBL. Maybe Indian domestic teams pay better than BBL anyway. Also I do wonder where the cut off point is (re money earned in an IPL auction) where an ECB contracted player becomes better paid for doing IPL than for his ECB contract? I'm guessing they would have to work all that out but I'm guessing those that went unsold would have to up their base prices when taking that into consideration and if they put themselves down at $200k before they would have to put themselves down at considerably more now and if they weren't getting picked at the smaller base price I don't see how they'd get a much greater fee even with the freedom of playing a full IPL. I reckon Collier's request was like a token gesture to say to our players that he'd tried on their behalf. Don't think he genuinely believes IPL will or even should be moved.

  • JG2704 on April 12, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    @JBSA on (April 10, 2013, 5:16 GMT) Re the Oz state sides not objecting to their players playing IPL. There's a huge difference. If their players play IPL it makes no difference to the team. With Eng counties it does as they start their season in April. I don't think any Indian players played in last years Big Bash - which I presume would be for exactly the same reason.

  • JG2704 on April 12, 2013, 13:22 GMT

    @ YS_USA on (April 10, 2013, 7:14 GMT) I was going to say similar myself.

    IPL go for the box office players - and often regardless of whether they still have it or not or even in some cases (Ganguly) if they ever had it for this format. Aus have had several players who have played IPL with success after their test careers are over. Warne , Gilchrist , Hayden , Hogg , Symons and now Ponting. Murali likewise. Not sure re Aus coaches etc , but I don't remember a situation where an Aus test player has chosen IPL over playing for their country. ECB get lambasted all the time for their stance but I don't remember 1 Aus test player playing IPL 2012 while the national side was in WI.

  • on April 12, 2013, 10:38 GMT

    I agree that the IPL is too long. And to justify it by saying that there are other leagues across the world that take place throughout the year makes no sense. Sure we have football/soccer leagues like EPL. But football/soccer doesn't have a packed international calendar involving three versions of the same game, apart from domestic games. And I don't think the example of USA is relevant.Those people don't give a damn about the rest of the world. They like to think that their leagues are the world championships of the respective sports. Naturally they need the league to fill out their entire year's appetite. The IPL should be restricted one round robin league followed by the playoffs. Every year I watch the first few games and then quickly lose interest. This year I haven't felt the need to watch a single game. I just follow the results on cricinfo. Although there are many dedicated fans (apparent from some of the posts in the comments section here) I am sure that there are others...

  • on April 12, 2013, 9:42 GMT

    I feel the english players are not fit and good enough to play the IPL.

  • on April 10, 2013, 6:30 GMT

    The harsh bottom line for the ECB is that unless they allow their centrally-contracted players to take part in the IPL on a full-time basis, some of the players in question (KP, Morgan, Prior & Swann being the most prominent examples) may well decide to reject their ECB contracts altogether & go freelance in order to maximise their earning potential while they're still considered as marketable commodities by the IPL franchises. If the ECB wants to head off a painfully inevitable players' rebellion which would have potentially catastrophic consequences for English cricket, the time to compromise is *now*.

    How would such a compromise work in practice? Easy: simply take the first mid-May Test - which, in any case, is almost always poorly attended and/or ruined by rain - out of the schedule altogether. It might even be a blessing in disguise, as a six-Test summer would allow for mouth-watering single six-match series to be played against Australia, South Africa, India & Pakistan.

  • Cpt.Meanster on April 9, 2013, 19:01 GMT

    What a lot of English fans don't understand or realize is that the IPL is packaged and marketed towards FAMILIES. In the months of March to early April, school kids have their exams. Education takes priority over cricket ANY DAY. Hence, from a marketing and commercial perspective, it makes a lot of sense for the BCCI to fix the IPL between April and May, when there are holidays for kids. Also, it's the BEST time to play cricket in India; no monsoon weather or extreme heat. Coming to England, I have been to the UK many times and I do know that the weather there is murky, and rainy for pretty much the entire summer with a few openings of sunny weather here and there. This puts the entire Ashes into question as well and also this whole elaborate idea of the 'English Summer'. Frankly speaking, I cannot see the BCCI accept this offer. The IPL WILL continue to be a 7 week tournament forever and it will be played in April and May. Except of course a world cup year or ICC event.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 9, 2013, 14:48 GMT

    @jmcilhinney, you are right. Everything is not just black and white. Also, it is not as simple as you seem to think about Indian Cricket and its relation to non-summer cricket. It's not related to the seasons (summer vs non-summer) in India. IPL is directly related to our entire country's children and their examinations, especially mothers and grandparents. I'm not sure if it is a fair request to start with by ECB to ask for a billion families to compromise for the sake of 4 English players. Simple solution is for ECB to stop preventing their players from playing in IPL and issue NOC to those English players who want to play. Trust me, IPL is damn famous in Caribbean as well. Yohan Blake is tweeting about it everyday. I myself was in Caribbean for a while and I know personally how popular IPL is there. SA, Aus, NZ, SL, WI, Bangla - no board has a problem with IPL or they have compromised with IPL/BCCI. ECB needs to be open-minded. Cricket has moved East, as Mark Nicholas put it.

  • frazell on April 9, 2013, 14:38 GMT

    This is a problem. I can see both points of view, the English game is far more limited in terms of when it can be played due to the climate etc. (it is bad enough in the middle of September, it would be impossible to play in the middle of October- for a start there will barely be enough daylight) and it has has been around for far longer (hundreds of years), so i would argue the IPL has stolen the english slot. However, i suppose why should the IPL move to accommodate English players? For me a shorter IPL is the best solution, regardless of this issue it is too long anyway for me, after a 2-3 weeks I normally lose interest, but the sponsors and BCCI won't want that as fewer matches = less revenue.

  • JG2704 on April 12, 2013, 20:23 GMT

    @ Si Bakeron (April 10, 2013, 6:30 GMT) It could happen that way but I as it stands I'm not sure it will. I mean KP would have been thee most likely and after a messy 2012 where ECB held firm , KP decided (for whatever reason) that he wanted to play for Eng at the expense of playing a full IPL. Re Swann - he wasn't taken in the 2011 (or was it 2012) auction so if he decided not to renew his contract it would be a bit of a gamble. Same with Prior and pretty much any other Eng player. Actually Morgan will probably not be offered another CC. I mean he has done nothing - both in terms of commitment and runs - to try and regain his place in the side. If so I think Morgan may go freelance which is probably the right move for him. Collier IMO doesn't think/care (if) his requests get considered. It's just a token effort to appease some of the Eng players.

  • JG2704 on April 12, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    @Stup1d - Totally agree with all your post although I wonder whether it is 100% the players choice re playing BBL. Maybe Indian domestic teams pay better than BBL anyway. Also I do wonder where the cut off point is (re money earned in an IPL auction) where an ECB contracted player becomes better paid for doing IPL than for his ECB contract? I'm guessing they would have to work all that out but I'm guessing those that went unsold would have to up their base prices when taking that into consideration and if they put themselves down at $200k before they would have to put themselves down at considerably more now and if they weren't getting picked at the smaller base price I don't see how they'd get a much greater fee even with the freedom of playing a full IPL. I reckon Collier's request was like a token gesture to say to our players that he'd tried on their behalf. Don't think he genuinely believes IPL will or even should be moved.

  • JG2704 on April 12, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    @JBSA on (April 10, 2013, 5:16 GMT) Re the Oz state sides not objecting to their players playing IPL. There's a huge difference. If their players play IPL it makes no difference to the team. With Eng counties it does as they start their season in April. I don't think any Indian players played in last years Big Bash - which I presume would be for exactly the same reason.

  • JG2704 on April 12, 2013, 13:22 GMT

    @ YS_USA on (April 10, 2013, 7:14 GMT) I was going to say similar myself.

    IPL go for the box office players - and often regardless of whether they still have it or not or even in some cases (Ganguly) if they ever had it for this format. Aus have had several players who have played IPL with success after their test careers are over. Warne , Gilchrist , Hayden , Hogg , Symons and now Ponting. Murali likewise. Not sure re Aus coaches etc , but I don't remember a situation where an Aus test player has chosen IPL over playing for their country. ECB get lambasted all the time for their stance but I don't remember 1 Aus test player playing IPL 2012 while the national side was in WI.

  • on April 12, 2013, 10:38 GMT

    I agree that the IPL is too long. And to justify it by saying that there are other leagues across the world that take place throughout the year makes no sense. Sure we have football/soccer leagues like EPL. But football/soccer doesn't have a packed international calendar involving three versions of the same game, apart from domestic games. And I don't think the example of USA is relevant.Those people don't give a damn about the rest of the world. They like to think that their leagues are the world championships of the respective sports. Naturally they need the league to fill out their entire year's appetite. The IPL should be restricted one round robin league followed by the playoffs. Every year I watch the first few games and then quickly lose interest. This year I haven't felt the need to watch a single game. I just follow the results on cricinfo. Although there are many dedicated fans (apparent from some of the posts in the comments section here) I am sure that there are others...

  • on April 12, 2013, 9:42 GMT

    I feel the english players are not fit and good enough to play the IPL.

  • WalkingWicket11 on April 11, 2013, 21:28 GMT

    @JG2704 I am glad you asked, and that is exactly my point. My comment was meant for some people here who suggested that BCCI should change the IPL schedule if they care for the game and what not.

    No Indian players play in the BBL because it is their choice, for whatever reason. If the Indian players want to play the BBL, is it right for BCCI to demand CA to shift the BBL to October or January or whatever? No doubt they can make a request, but they cannot demand their way.

    If Indian players want to play in BBL, BPL, Mexico, Antractica or Mars, they should make their own arrangements for it, and the same holds for ECB and its players too. They cannot demand to change the schedule for their convenience.

    So as far as ECB goes, they have the simple options: 1. Request BCCI to change the schedule, which they have already done. 2. If BCCI refuse, then allow players to skip part of the county season to play IPL. OR refuse to let players take part in IPL and bear the risks.

  • YS_USA on April 11, 2013, 20:50 GMT

    For all those who think that IPL is too long: Here in the USA, there are 30 baseball teams in the league and each team plays 162 games every year, a total of 4,860 games per year; basketball league has 30 teams and each team plays 82 games, a total of 2,460 games; ice hockey league has 30 teams and each plays 82 games, a total of 2,460 games and football has 32 teams and each plays 8 games, a total of 256 games, plus they all play about 100 playoff games, the grand total is more than 10,000 games during the year which comes to about 27 games each day to keep 300 million people entertanined. At this rate, India needs 40,000 games, about 108 games each day.

  • JG2704 on April 11, 2013, 19:49 GMT

    @zenboomerang on (April 11, 2013, 5:02 GMT) You may be right re the stats but out of all the Eng players who would definitely get an IPL contract if they decided against renewing with ECB? The only way I could see it happening is for agents to do secret deals with IPL franchises to ensure that the players are not giving up contracts for IPL and then find they have no interest... Out of interest I do wonder how much the lower tier IPL players get paid?

    KP (obviously) ,Morgan, Swann, Finn ,Prior, Anderson, Broad and of those players who would be guaranteed to be picked up by an IPL franchise? KP obviously but he has chosen Eng over a full IPL season.Morgan probably will as I don't see him getting a full CC next time but of the rest ,who can guarantee they'll get picked up by an IPL side and make better money by reneging on resigning an ECB contract? 3 of the players have already gone unsold in IPL auctions

  • JG2704 on April 11, 2013, 19:48 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas

    Re IPL franchises not being interested in county trundlers or bits and pieces players. How would you describe Jacob Oram these days? I could swear he was playing the other day for MI. Bits and pieces players are exactly what the format is suited for.Look at A Morkel - would he get into any side in the longer format's for his batting or bowling alone? I think you said somewhere about KP/EM making a stance. Re KP - he decided to commit to England above a full IPL eventually. Re Morgan - I think he knows his Eng days are numbered as a CC player anyway. For him , giving up his test ambitions and possibly affecting his shorter formats position for Eng for IPL is probably the right way to go. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years time he's a freelance player and playing his int shorter format cricket for Ireland

  • JG2704 on April 11, 2013, 19:48 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas - You seem to intimate that ECB/SKY would be better off investing in IPL.

    IMO you're vastly overestimating the popularity of the IPL and unserestimating the poularity of test cricket in the UK in the UK. It is shown on ITV4 and ITV4 would not have been able to match Sky if Sky wanted it. If there were more English players involved then that would obviously increase the popularity in England but right now I honestly don't think IPL would be that big a draw and the only way it would become a much bigger draw would be for ECB/Sky (if they were interested) to ask BCCI/IPL franchises to guarantee a certain amount of English players playing. Can't see BCCI doing that and don't see why they should either. Listen I'm not dissing the popularity of IPL and Eng could never do anything like that due to a combo of cricket not being such a huge sport and the population not being so big

  • JG2704 on April 11, 2013, 19:47 GMT

    @Stup1d on (April 10, 2013, 20:40 GMT) May I ask why no Indian players played in the Aus Big Bash? Probably the same reason why so few Eng players play a full IPL? BCCI isn't the bad guy here but neither are the ECB or the Eng counties. It is up to the players what they want to do - either

    1 ,Negotiate a contract where you are free to play a full IPL

    And if that fails either

    A - Refuse to renew the contract and hope you get picked up by an IPL franchise B - Renew the contract and get on with it

    No one forces players to sign contracts and re ECB contracts I'm sure there are plenty of English players who would love to be offered one

  • JG2704 on April 11, 2013, 19:47 GMT

    From Eng's point of view - why would ECB change things - or even the counties for that matter?

    The players have been choosing their counties/country over IPL every time and why should (in the case of English players staying loyal to their counties/country) the counties/country release them? It was THEM who developed the players and why should they not reap the rewards?

    Of course the Eng players could take a punt on going freelance but IMO it's a huge gamble. The 2 players who maybe could do this are IMO KP and Shah and maybe KP would lose from advertising revenues by not playing for Eng or maybe he generally likes playing for Eng?

    Regardless - it's a situation where IPL seems to do well without Eng cricketers and Eng cricketers don't seem to need IPL. Not to a degree where they choose it over their county/country anyway?

  • JG2704 on April 11, 2013, 19:47 GMT

    @ Dravid_Gravitas on (April 9, 2013, 17:01 GMT) re Swann as 1 example 1 - In last year (or was it 2011) he went unsold (Jimmy too) 2 - England are starting to rest guys like Swann , Jimmy and KP from many of their shorter format games themselves Re point 1 - does that not prove how in demand most Eng players are in IPL and please don't say it's because they could not participate in a full IPL as that did not affect some Aus players being picked for last years IPL after touring WI during the 1st part Re point 2. Swann has a recurring elbow niggle which I presume is the sole reason they're resting him from most ODIs/T20s (o prolong his test career). If Eng are resting their key players from many of their games then they're not likely to encourage them to play IPL.

  • JG2704 on April 11, 2013, 10:49 GMT

    @ ShanTheFanOfSachin - TBH I don't think Collier genuinely thinks BCCI will even consider his request and you're right in that why should they - for 1 nation. But by the same token why should at this present stage ECB change their schedule for another country's domestic league? Obviously if Eng players refuse renewing their CCs then it could force their hand but for that to happen I'd say there would have to be a load of players to do this. Of the test side who would IPL franchises buy? KP (obviously) ,Morgan, Swann, Finn ,Prior, Anderson, Broad and of those players who would be guaranteed to be picked up by an IPL franchise? KP obviously but he has chosen Eng over a full IPL season.Morgan probably will as I don't see him getting a full CC next time but of the rest ,who can guarantee they'll get picked up by an IPL side and make better money by reneging on resigning an ECB contract? 3 of the players have already gone unsold in IPL auctions

  • JG2704 on April 11, 2013, 10:46 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas - Re English players playing BBL - several (who weren't involved in the T20/ODI series did). Problem is some couldn't play a full BBL because Eng had a series with India clashing, Obviously they could schedule less series but maybe their (ECBs) thinking is that they don't want to encourage them too much (to play these leagues) for fear that players will come back jaded or even injured. England are not doing too badly in the shorter formats right now. Think they're 2nd in ODIs and maybe 5th in T20 rankings which is a format where a couple of wins could move you up 3 places so maybe ECB are happy with the way things are,

  • fguy on April 11, 2013, 10:13 GMT

    we all hate ipl, it ruins players techniques, it's soooo boring, it's only another domestic tournament, we dont care about it, it's only about money, who cares about some players we havent heard about playing in coloured clothing, etc etc BUT can you please change your ENTIRE domestic & international schedule so we can take part too?

  • ShanTheFanOfSachin on April 11, 2013, 9:56 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas, Thats exactly my point, why not play in other leagues,why only IPL. But the fact is england players are not happy they cant play in IPL,not just any other league. at the same time they wouldnt want to mention IPL directly, instead they compare themselves to AUS players(33 of them in nearly full IPL) and ask for pay rise. ECB obviously cant pay so much, at the same time its also not williing to give-in to IPL,may be they want to protect their broadcasters,so they expect IPL to finish earlier and they even give nice ideas like 'much cooler season, nice Spring weather', etc. Thats just not going to happen. Because all these days ECB are the strong opponents of IPL window saying "cant have window for one country's domestic league", then why should BCCI change its domestic league on ECB's request??

    In the next 2 years there will be few early retirements in ENG.

    @ latecut_04, its T20 which may have reduced the quality of cricket, NOT IPL.

  • latecut_04 on April 11, 2013, 6:52 GMT

    Well...Well..Well...where is this heading...163 comments and counting and NOT A SINGLE comment about IPL eating into the quality of cricket.Earlier any discussion would have involved worldwide comments about how IPL ails the game.Instead many suggestions about a feasible arrangement for English players to be part of the entire IPL.Dont know if this will be possible but can say for sure what will be one of the direct results..test team downslide.Just look at India and this is a comment from India..Think BBL has shut many voices against T20 and IPL...Test cricket headed towards an innings defeat!!

  • zenboomerang on April 11, 2013, 5:04 GMT

    The fact that at least 33 Oz players are in the IPL this year (not including injured players - Clarke, Pattinson, etc) clearly indicates that if Eng players could play IPL that they would take at least 12 of these positions plus possibly a few positions from other imports...

    That said, the BCCI, CSA & CA have built up a strong alliance over the last decade & rely on each other for improving cricket in the region + gaining better financial security - pushing IPL into both CSA & CA's season would be foolish by disrupting all our seasons as it would IPL's attractiveness for Indians... Oz wouldn't be foolish by moving BBL to Oct Nov & losing its window to its greatest fan base - families & cricket newbies - the biggest attendance in Oz domestic cricket history occurred last seasons BBL - so why should the IPL move?...

  • zenboomerang on April 11, 2013, 5:02 GMT

    This has been boiling in the background for a long time now - many contracted ECB & CC players want to play IPL & BBL or at least get a decent $ paid for their commitment to the ECB...

    For nearly 20 years Oz cricketers get 26% of CA pool money - with the ECB having a much larger pool of money players such as Cooke should be on $3 million while down the ladder Trott, Bell, KP, Prior, Anderson, Swann should be on at least $2.5 mil...

  • TheOnlyEmperor on April 11, 2013, 4:42 GMT

    About 50% of India's population is below 25 years. IPL offers a huge release and entertainment to the huge student community (and their anxious parents) after their exams which get over by March end. It will be a disservice to the Indian nation if the IPL dates clash with the school and college exam dates. This is the least BCCI owes the nation and its future citizens. The Indians need not be concerned with ECB's problems.

  • TATTUs on April 11, 2013, 3:14 GMT

    Its not about the 'cooler' season. April - may is when the summer vacations are on in India and IPL is just focused on that. ECB is losing their point there.

  • jmcilhinney on April 11, 2013, 2:42 GMT

    @ShanTheFanOfSachin on (April 10, 2013, 19:49 GMT), um, exactly which SA players would that be? I recall that one player (I think it was Alviro Peterson but I could be wrong) said that he was not going to be available for international selection but only when it already looked like he wouldn't be picked anyway. As soon as the call came for national duty he was off an left his county (Gloucestershire I believe but, again, I could be wrong). I'm not aware of any other SA player in contention for national selection who has refused it to play county cricket. As for the IPL being India's domestic competition, it's really not. Look at how many overseas players each team has contracted. No other domestic competition has nearly as many. Certainly in England and Australia the limit is two per team. I believe that that is the case in the BBL even. There are those who say that the IPL is the best competition of its type but, if true, that's purely because of the number of overseas players.

  • RodStark on April 11, 2013, 1:11 GMT

    I don't know that it's so much the ECB rather than the counties. True, the ECB require their test team to be available for the early season, but there are players such as Lumb, Hales, Patel, Buttler, etc., who have no chance of playing the tests and who might be quite attractive to the IPL, and I would think the ECB would think it better for them to get the IPL experience (if selected, of course) rather than sitting around in the rain waiting to play county cricket. But they are under contract to their counties, of course. It's difficult!

  • on April 11, 2013, 0:56 GMT

    @Gravitas: the IPL will indeed expand (to at least 12 franchises over the next 3 or 4 years), which, allied to the summer holiday issue & the traditional end of India's international commitments in March, is why the BCCI has less room for maneouvre re rescheduling than the ECB, who *do* have a little wriggle room re their May fixture list.

    The other prime reason why the onus for compromise falls squarely on the ECB is the very real possibility of a future England players' rebellion over the IPL issue. It's all very well to blithely dismiss the potential absence of 1 or 2 key players, but suppose that number were to swell to 7 or 8 (highly likely when the IPL expands, as there'll be more vacancies up for grabs)? Would the ECB welcome the likelihood of England being forced to field a de facto 2nd XI or the disruption to team dynamics & long-term planning caused by players only being available for certain series? *That* is why the ECB needs to put its long-term thinking hat on ASAP.

  • anilkp on April 10, 2013, 21:31 GMT

    Hi George, the IPL is NOT bloated and it has NOT invaded any other country's schedule. It is the players wish to get into the IPL which is the culprit. Pay your players handsomely and keep them home and keep your schedule. IPL was BCCI's ploy for itself; it was not created to invade any territory. India loses many months to wet rainy and hot summer seasons, and March is traditionally best suited for the session-end Tests [England loses 8 months to cold, but that's your problem]. BCCI will be stupid to concede March to IPL.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 10, 2013, 21:31 GMT

    @SirViv1973, If I understand the article properly, the players are asking for a rise whichever way it may come. So, instead of asking BCCI to change the schedule of IPL (which will never happen), ECB should have asked their players to play in BPL and/or BBL, whichever doesn't interfere with County Cricket. That's a practical solution as suggested by ShanTheFanOfSachin.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 10, 2013, 21:10 GMT

    @Harmony111, and as somebody suggested they could actually play in BPL or BBL to earn some extra money. Why approach BCCI? IPL is not the only way. But then again, ECB and SKY dissed IPL no end, so now how does it suit them to go and play in t20 leagues that are inferior to IPL? I really don't want to be in their position. I really feel sorry for the English players. I have to appreciate the guts of KP and Morgan in this issue.

  • SirViv1973 on April 10, 2013, 21:08 GMT

    @Shan the Fan, The players Union are saying that the players should earn more and there is one of two ways it can happen. Either allow players to play a full season of ipl or increase the amount of money paid for CC. In regards to CC none of us know how much Eng players earn & we also don't know how it compares to what other CC players earn in other countries, so it is very difficult to know if this request is justifiable.However even if a rise in CC was possible it would be small in comparism with the sums being offered in the IPL. Therefore the ECB feel the best way to resolve the situation is by trying to reach a compromise with the BCCI to allow CC players to be available for the whole season and thus making them more attractive signings for the franchises. In terms of KP his issue was clearly not being able to play a full IPL season anyone who says otherwise must be deluded. CC Players aren't asking to play BBL (other than MP who did) or BPL but they are asking to play IPL

  • WalkingWicket11 on April 10, 2013, 20:40 GMT

    Why is BCCI made to look like the bad guy here? Whether you like them or not, they have full rights to choose how to run their domestic tournament. INo one has forced ECB to take part in the IPL. t is alright for ECB to request BCCI, but they cannot *demand* their way, and then claim moral high ground if BCCI refuses.

    Exactly what is the problem if the England players play the IPL, and then take part in the rest of the county cricket season? Look you can't always have everything in life. If playing IPL is your priority, then you can't play the full county season. If playing the full county season is your priority, you can't play the IPL. I wonder why the ECB cannot recognise such a simple thing.

  • Harmony111 on April 10, 2013, 20:09 GMT

    I don't think anyone is missing the English players in IPL. Barring KP and to some extent Morgan there is no one from the front line Eng team who is good enough to play in the IPL so the question of them being bid for and bought is far fetched. A good case is that of Bopara who wanted to play, went unsold in the auction and then with some sour grapes in his mouth said he would pick Country before Club, It is another thing that he is now neither in the Club nor in the Country teams LoL.

    Even if Eng had some other good players who had a 20% chance of finding a place in IPL teams, their absence is not hurting us. Indians do not care if Eng players do not play in IPL, just like we do not care of Pak players play or not play. It is ECB that faces a potential mild-rebellion, why should IPL solve it for them? Let ECB do a KP to them.

    I for one am actually happy that these ghastilies don't even get bought in IPL given that they diss us so much all the time. Right Mr. Baker??

  • ShanTheFanOfSachin on April 10, 2013, 19:49 GMT

    @Flash_hard27, IPL is India's domestic league, County cricket is ECB's. Why should anyone truncate their league for others?? Couple of SA players gave up international cricket to play for counties. if SA board ask ECB to prepone their league, will they do that??

  • ShanTheFanOfSachin on April 10, 2013, 19:41 GMT

    @ SirViv1973 , if so then why ECB is keen to find a common ground??? Players' union is asking thm to do so by saying "we need to paid MORE MONEY because we dont have other revenues like other players" and ECB immediately looks to IPL for finding a common ground?Why not they ask their players to go and play in BPL(gets over before April) or BBL???

    KP issue was more about the egos than IPL, it was only a speculcation.

    Lumb may not be test player but what he said about what is in players' mind seems to be true..thats what I meant..

  • on April 10, 2013, 19:14 GMT

    IPL cannot be rescheduled due to exams in India (During March) which will impact the viewrship to a great extent. ECB cannot re-schedule their 7 Test Summer (Due to it's pact with Broadcasters in UK). I guess the only option for ECB is to cut down a couple of ODIs and T20's in the summer to accommodate 7 Tests as well as have the players participate in IPL. Have a full length test series (3/4 test matches) with a test playing nation, cut down the number of ODI's and T20's in the tour. That is the only way I see to come out of this problem.

  • premclement on April 10, 2013, 18:45 GMT

    I am amazed how English fans complain about IPL, when there own EPL runs for 11 months!! Isn't that ridiculous? Indian people love IPL and we never get bored of it during any stage of the game. Haven't we already watched many close matches within the week?

  • SirViv1973 on April 10, 2013, 18:01 GMT

    @Shan the Sachin Fan, I'm not sure Micheal Lumb is the best example to use. He is viewed very much as a T20 specialist & at the age of 33 is never going to get a CC with Eng. His problem has occurred because he is contracted to Notts and they refused him the opportunity to enter the auction this yr as they feared he, Alex Hales & Samit would be bought, which would have left a considerable hole in their batting during the early weeks of the season. Although it is within the ECB's interest to try to find some common ground with the BCCI I still think we are some way off of players refusing CC, like we have seen in the WI. Eng players still put playing Int cricket ahead of anything else. Look at the KP scenario, when it was made clear to him he could not play a full IPL season & have an Eng CC he chose the CC. If an agreement cannot be found then the more likely scenario is that CC players will just retire earlier from Int cricket to grab some of the IPL money.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 10, 2013, 15:44 GMT

    "It's not possible to reschedule IPL for at least another 3 years". Guys who are coming up with that statement are assuming that there is a possibility to reschedule IPL after the next 3 years. Guess what, "Breaking News"! If anything, IPL is only going to become a lengthier tournament with more franchises added. There are way too many talents, domestic and overseas, warming the benches, with squads as long as a freight train. At least 3 more franchises, if I predict it correctly. Yes, you heard it here first. I won't be surprised if most of our schools go back to 6 day school curriculum so that the school year and the annual examinations can finish a couple of weeks earlier and the schools can start a couple of weeks later for the next school year, to accommodate for the lengthier IPL format in the future - from late March to early-June. I fully support such an idea. Let the 'lesser' talents earn money for their families. Cricket no longer is just for those 11 'talented' Princes!

  • recycle-bin-is-empty on April 10, 2013, 15:36 GMT

    @Bob Young "Based on what I've seen so far, all the franchises seem full with more than enough outside players of sufficient quality that there would be very few places up for grabs" If i am not wrong, I think fresh auctions are going to be held next year, so I think good English players have as much chance of getting in a team as any other overseas player.

    @Rodstark, I do remember that IPL once started on the 2nd week of march, though I am sure BCCI would have lost a lot of tv ratings due to students exams and all, but most of the school exams get over here before the last week of march. Like you said, there must have to be some leeway where things could be condensed a bit, I am pretty sure there are lots of ways. Important thing is both BCCI and ECB are genuinely willing for that to find those ways.

  • outbeforelunch on April 10, 2013, 14:13 GMT

    So many red herrings. IPL is a business designed to make the best return for investors by attracting as many domestic Indian cricketgoers as possible while maximising revenues from broadcasting rights, sponsorship, merchandising etc. Scheduling has been chosen to that end. If investors gauge that, on balance, profitability might be higher by helping more England and Wales county and test cricketers to participate, then it might (I stress might) make sense to negotiate some accommodation. However, if such changes contributed little or nothing to profitability, then there would be little point to them. IPL owes no-one a living: the ball is entirely in the English and Welsh counties' court. The solutions to England players wishing to share in the financial rewards of the IPL are to modify county and test contracts in England and Wales and/or reschedule England and/or county matches. IPL owns the pie. If you want a slice, you need to 'buy' it.

  • Flash_hard27 on April 10, 2013, 12:31 GMT

    Isn't the biggest problem with IPL the length of the competition? 7 weeks is too long for any cricket cup (look at the debacle that was the ODI world cup in WI 5 years ago - too many meaningless matches before it get exciting).

    Can you T20 fans honestly say that tune into every game for the whole period?

    Shrink it down to 4 - 5 weeks and the whole thing will be much more interesting and solve the problems of the domestic / international season in England and WI (to name but two).

  • Iluuvcricket on April 10, 2013, 12:10 GMT

    As many pointed out, it will not be possible to change the schedule for the IPL season, because if changed it will directly clash with exams in the country. Time for ECB to adjust their cricketing schedule, so their top players don't lose out on IPL.

  • on April 10, 2013, 11:28 GMT

    The players need to realise its the public who create the interest in cricket. If English players suddenly give up on a Test place to go an play in the IPL they would quickly lose the support they have in England, with knock on effects to their future marketability.

  • JG2704 on April 10, 2013, 11:16 GMT

    @ bigdhonifan on (April 9, 2013, 17:43 GMT) I don't think Sky rate IPL like that. ITV4 have got it and they would have paid very little for it as their budget isn't great.

  • JG2704 on April 10, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    @ IndiaNumeroUno on (April 10, 2013, 5:45 GMT) English weather during the summer is bad most years and getting worse. The worst thing is the unpredictability of it. In your country you pretty much have an idea of when it's going to rain etc. In England last year March was 3 or 4 times as warm as it is this year. April of 2 or 3 years ago was magnificent. Last year was terrible and this year if it's not cold it's rainy. We'd love it if it was all as black and white re weather as you seem to make out it is

  • SirViv1973 on April 10, 2013, 11:09 GMT

    @Si Baker, I have also suggested a similar compromise to one you have suggested the ECB make. However it must be remembered that the current deal with Sky was negoniated to include either 7 test matches per summer or 6 with the 7th match potentially being replaced by 5 extra ODIs. If the ECB were to drop 5 days worth of International cricket from the summer then the deal with Sky would need to be renogtiated and would surley be worth less than what it is currently, couple that with further losses from the revenue the test match would have generated & there is a likley hood that the value of CC would need to be reduced. The elite group of 4 or 5 players who would get picked up by IPL franchises would surley not have a problem with this but the rest of the CC players probably would be as they would either be back here resting or playing for their Counties for less money than they were earning before. The bottom line is this a very difficult position the ECB finds itself in.

  • VivtheGreatest on April 10, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    I see no reason for the BCCI to change the IPL dates to suit the English. As many have pointed out the high TRP's are due to the holiday scheduling. As for those armchair critics suggesting two or three matches every day, just try playing every two days in April and May in India and then comment. Leave things the way they are and let ECB and Sky work something out coz yeah it would be good to have the English players in the IPL.

  • ooper_cut on April 10, 2013, 10:27 GMT

    It is a matter of time before this silent, behind close doors discussions come out in the open. The stiff upper lip is a thing of the past. When guys like Ian Bell & Matt Prior see guys like KP and Morgan flaunt their wealth, how long would they keep mum ? The IPL has made millionaires, every good player deserves to have his skills rewarded like that.

  • WakeyLee on April 10, 2013, 10:25 GMT

    The problem is because of our weather & latitude it's only possible to play cricket in England for 5 months and realistically 4 months for international cricket as test matches started in mid April (when the county season starts) would only last 3 days. Would be good if some compromise can be reached with a country that can realistically play all year round(in some part of the country as the IPL is ruining the quality of the first 2 test matches of our summer due to opposition players being unavailable..

  • Hughesy83 on April 10, 2013, 10:05 GMT

    It also impacts on the West Indian domestic season as well as the English domestic season. People seem to be forgetting that in their attempt to denigrate the ECB.

  • RandomTalk on April 10, 2013, 10:00 GMT

    I'm glad that common sense is finally prevailing - BCCI and ECB are not at loggerheads anymore. Granted that for the next 3 years the IPL cannot be rescheduled, what stops ECB from giving their players a NOC to play, at least till the middle of May? I'd love to see the likes of Cook, Prior, Swann, Finn, Broad and Anderson play in the IPL.

  • PeteB on April 10, 2013, 9:37 GMT

    The threat to go freelance is a pretty hollow one. Players desire the prestige of playing test cricket. The odd player may freelance but it's no big deal. I just can't see someone like KP or Swann doing so. Marginal test players may well however, and that's great for them.

  • on April 10, 2013, 9:34 GMT

    The last three summers in the uk have ranged from average to very poor indeed. July has been as wet as April . However most years cricket is viable for six months April to September inclusive with very late nights for much of the time... Dusk at ten pm or later for much of that period. Plenty of time for England to play seven tests and 7 odi/ t20 games. Most years. April and early May are the dodgiest months, England also play the weaker sides in a two test series first. Let players play ipl, and if, when they get back, England have discovered better players playing in those first two tests...well then that's the risk they take... They lose their England place. I see this as an opportunity in some respects.,also ipl without t20 players from the last two nations that actually WON the T20 wc.... How weak is THAT!

  • ShanTheFanOfSachin on April 10, 2013, 9:29 GMT

    There you go.. Michael Lumb had said exactly that couple of weeks ago!!

    I would like to see where are those people who said "there are lot of English players who are more passionate about playing Test cricket,technique,etc,etc than earning money"!!

    The reality is NO cricketer in the world wants to miss out on IPL, earning money is as important as playing test cricket or playing for the country, for any professional cricketer.

    Its obvious that if ECB cant find an agreement with BCCI, then they probably wont be able to sign up some players on central contracts.

  • recycle-bin-is-empty on April 10, 2013, 8:51 GMT

    @ ThyrSaadam "The indian govt wasnt able to assure them the necessary security and they were even ready to leave them behind, so i dont think they really would revamp an entire schedule because ECB cant keep its players happy.... " nobody ever suggested here BCCI needs to revamp its entire schedule, certainly not me. Secondly, you are finding analogy between IPL are MLB/NFL. IPL, even though yes it can sustain with just Indian viewership, but it definitely CANNOT sustain without participation of international players. And inclusion of English players are only going to bring more success, both at home and overseas.

    @Dravid Gravitas "yes BCCI cannot ignore the fact that there is a huge potential for IPL to catch the interest of broader audience. No businessman would say, I'm happy with what I'm getting and so I don't care. An attitude contrary to that will be espoused only by arrogant fans but not BCCI." Absolutely spot on mate, couldn't have written it better.

  • pvwadekar on April 10, 2013, 8:18 GMT

    Various facets to the problem. The main issue is that the players want more money (central contracts similar to the Aussie players) from ECB (with of without IPL). So, during the renegotiation of their central contracts, they are pushing for time to play in IPL. Even if BCCI were to miraculously shift IPL to accommodate ECB players, there is no guarantee that said players (besides KP) would be bought during the auctions. The players thought that ECB would not see through their bluff & will give them the pay rise. ECB, on the other hand does not have (or want to give ) the extra cash for central contracts, rather they would prefer to keep the existing contracts with some small increments and "try" to negotiate with BCCI, to give the illusion that they are indeed fighting for the players. During the next 3 years, its impossible to shift IPL , but ECB needs these core players for the next 3 years atleast ( Ashes & important tours), so that's why these statements from ECB

  • on April 10, 2013, 8:14 GMT

    Dear all please see that IPL is a big thing in for School students and Indian school exams will be ending in March only. So no IPL during March. Go for April or May before Monsoons hit India :)

  • vish57 on April 10, 2013, 8:09 GMT

    Already all major cricket playing countries are not scheduling matches during April May to accomodate IPL window.ECB need to fall in line to allow 10-15 cricketers to participate in IPL instead of asking BCCI to tweak their program; ECB should commence test cricket from 1st week of June to ensure all English Players are available. In India, T 20 Cricket attracts huge crowd and TV audiance, they cant do much to spoil the revenue especially during summer holidays for school children.

  • on April 10, 2013, 8:01 GMT

    I think the English players who are hankering after larger wage packets because they can't get to play in the IPL are deluding themselves in even thinking they'd get picked up at auction. Based on what I've seen so far, all the franchises seem full with more than enough outside players of sufficient quality that there would be very few places up for grabs. I have a remedy for those players..If you don't like the value and conditions of the contract you're being offered, don't sign it, go and become an itinerant cricketer available for hire anywhere..

  • ydhanpal on April 10, 2013, 7:33 GMT

    Keeping in mind temperatures, children holidays, intensity and interest, revenue and all stuff: split IPL into halves, one in April after exams, and one in festive season i.e October/November. I believe this is all profit solution, and i am not a big fan of IPL.

  • YS_USA on April 10, 2013, 7:14 GMT

    JG2704, You have some good points. Why retired English players are not in IPL like Gilli, Ponting, Lee, Hodge and Hussey? Why most coaches are from Australia and none from UK and other countries? I think aussi coaches have penetrated Indian franchieses and kept British players out.

  • ultimatewarrior on April 10, 2013, 7:07 GMT

    BCCI should gracefully welcome the ECB initiative and accept the challenges of rescheduling the whole thing in the favor of popularity of Cricket....Let's find some mid way first like IPL can be scheduled from 16 Mar to 15 May, then ECB can start their county season in which they can also welcome few Indians cricketers in county cricket (obviously BCCI can open doors of IPL for English Players if they are available for whole season)......This will be win-win situation for all of the boards and for cricket popularity in the world.....IPL will surely be rich in entertainment because of English Cricketers which are performing good and are at par with South Africa & Australia since last few years.....

  • cric_J on April 10, 2013, 6:29 GMT

    I am an Indian so I am totally convinced that the IPL cannot be scheduled to begin in March as it is exam time all over the country.And since the major popularity and viewership of IPL is among students , it wouldn't go down well with us students as well as with the broadcasters.

    But I do understand that the English weather is one hell of a problem and does not leave England with many options to shift their summer schedule.Since there is no denying that English players will only add to the IPL's success , the BCCI must make an attempt to think things over.

    IMO the best solution would be to either reduce the no. of matches per side from 16 to about 12 or to schedule 2 matches on all weekdays and probably 3 on weekends.That would make sense because 1 match per day isn't too good especially if 2 weak teams play or if it is a one sided contest.Also, most people are mainly interested in the matches in which their favourite teams are playing. So it won't be too much cricket as well.

  • IndiaNumeroUno on April 10, 2013, 5:45 GMT

    It would be far more realistic and practical for the ECB to start later since its cold and wet well into June in the UK anyway. This can be easily achieved by having more matches per day and shortening the county cricket. IPL has much more viewership and demand so can't see any changes happening there, actually it might only extend as newer franchisees are setup (meaning more matches).

  • landofcricket on April 10, 2013, 5:34 GMT

    English top players are not children to learn anything from county seasons.they' ve already developed enough skill,now time to cash in...so ecb should allow them to play ipl.i guess maximum 10 players miss county. SA top players are enjoying ipl all seasons & still they r number 1 in test criket. it tells you that if u r mentally strong u can play all format..fact is ipl does not affect players skills realed with test cricket...

  • JBSA on April 10, 2013, 5:16 GMT

    @JG2704: I wasn't meaning to say other Eng Players are not good enough. But the real talents are already there. Regarding the benching of players it upon the franchise. If morgan was benched in KKR, more talented/team composed players like Kallis, Lee, Narine and McCullum was there. Even equally talented Ryan and Shakib got games.

    And regarding the Aus players, if they were not available for that season, they available other seasons fully. Also their state team don't bar its players from participating in IPL

  • 158notout on April 10, 2013, 5:14 GMT

    This is one of the most sensible ideas ever put forward by ECB especially with regard to the IPL and all we see here is a bunch of people saying that ECB should move the county season back! Wow, some people are never happy. ECB get slated for not allowing players to go to IPL and then when they try to make it happen they get slated as well. Anyway saying ECB should delay the start of the county season obviously has never been to England, we have precious little time in the calendar for good weather, even with what we have a certain number of matches will be abandoned! Seriously though, this is a good idea to ask to move IPL as there is no way the ECB should have to axe an INTERNATIONAL TEST for a domestic hit n' giggle slogfest.

  • guptahitesh4u on April 10, 2013, 4:51 GMT

    It is really interesting to see that ECB is positive in allowing its players to participate in the IPL. HOwever, both boards have limitation. As many have mentioned here, in India, the school examinations are completed by mid of April. After that there is 45 days vacation in the schools and that's why that period becomes the most ideal for the long tournament. and of course, BCCI will not want to make it shorter as that will impact their revenue. But I still can't understand why English player cant participate for the first half of the tournament as the International cricket for England starts in May, the players can definitely take part in IPL during April.. Lets hope that they find some solutions as English player will definitely make teams more competitive!!

  • Stateside_Steve on April 10, 2013, 4:43 GMT

    I don't see a reason for either the ECB or BCCI to compromise. The county season runs from May through September. All IPL needs from England are few top stars like KP, Cook,Anderson and Swan. It could be only 10 or 15 players playing the first three weeks of a very long county season. Also compensating ECB would set a dangerous precedent, what if the rest of the boards start asking money from BCCI for rescheduling? WI has already dropped a test series with SL and converted that to a tri national series. Collier should call the players bluff just let them have their wish and say they are free to join the IPL. Next years auction will be a wake up call for a lot of English players and they would work towards a more stable ECB contract.

    I want this sorted out soon, couldn't wait for Cook to lead an IPL team. While we are at it , let the Pakistani players in IPL, they are worth every penny from an excitement point of view. We can see ponting-bhajji type spirit between IND-Pak players

  • Apocalypsoz on April 10, 2013, 3:59 GMT

    Collier should negotiate with the Indian Education boards as well to finish their exams by Mid February.

  • pulkit10 on April 10, 2013, 3:43 GMT

    Sorry, not happening. The IPL is chosen specifically at a time which is usually slow for other things (movies etc.) and falls right after the exams have ended. Why would the BCCI move it for 4 English players? Just doesn't make sense. And instead of arrogantly asking the BCCI to "reschedule" its local tournament, how about finding a solution with county cricket? (which, in all fairness, has lost almost all of its luster).

  • satishchandar on April 10, 2013, 3:23 GMT

    Well.. IPL have lived a merry life even without Pakistani and English players for most times.. English players can still make difference to IPL as they are playing in and out every year and some of the domestic successes are playing out in other leagues too.. I wouldn't say "IPL won't benefit from English players" but still "IPL will never miss any country of players except for WI folks to a good extent".. Inspite of being a controversial element and a money spinner, What IPL is all about is, the likes of Ashish Reddy, Vohra, Manish Pandey, and 100s of young cricketers make a good living out of the money spinned around IPL.. Let a MSD, Sachin, Punter, Rohit, Gauti, Yusuf earn more than handful in bunches but still, it is all about cricket and the chances some very young and from not so popular area guys get.. English players too would be tempted to get into the frame and earn themselves some money.. Who wouldn't want to earn?

  • Siva_Bala75 on April 10, 2013, 3:16 GMT

    BCCI should not agree because April/ May is the best for Indian students. Also, I want to see the following changes in IPL: a) Pakistan players, and b) the overseas players' quota to have an 'aggregate limit' rather than per match basis. For example, if there are 10 matches, then each team gets 40 overseas players' tickets and they can use this in a flexible way (more in some matches offset by less in others) rather than a fixed 4 per match. This will allow more interesting strategies and also more opportunities for those that are benched now- both overseas and even some Indian players.

  • Rohit... on April 10, 2013, 3:12 GMT

    @half_blood-prince: U don't understand why there is a limit to foreigners in IPL... If the limit is increased to 5 or 6 , then IPL will lose its major contribution to Indian Cricket

  • Greatest_Game on April 10, 2013, 2:57 GMT

    Cricket is one of the few sports in which the highest level of achievement is selection for one's national team, (or adopted team,) & the boards have always held all the cards. Rare is the player who had the upper hand. Boards determine the careers of aspirant cricket professionals. Board favorites perform poorly yet are given leeway while better players carry the drinks. In every sense, boards are the antithesis of market forces, & the synthesis of political forces. Payers are effectively held hostage by the passport they carry.

    The IPL & other leagues ended that by creating market value for historically underpaid cricketers. Those values don't yet have a rational underpinning - e.g million dollar Maxwell - but they do exist. The ECB cannot ignore them.

    The solution is simple. England have plenty of time for county & test cricket if they do not play one-day & 20/20 matches, but the ECB can't allow that - too many market forces in play. That is, they'll lose lots of money!

  • mihir_nam on April 10, 2013, 2:55 GMT

    It is quite boring to have a Single game a day on most of days.. BCCI should schedule 2games every day for early finish of IPL. May is hot season . But in April they can have 3 Games on Sunday and Saturday .

  • on April 10, 2013, 2:37 GMT

    I thought (Don Beckles & West Indian thinking) only CG wanted to play t/20 cricket, come to find out the whole world wants T/20

  • maddy20 on April 10, 2013, 2:08 GMT

    I would love to see the BCCI make amends but as the writer mentions, there are 3 worldcups scheduled in May. So it would be wise to explore the option of finishing it before the worldcups or plat two matches every day. We currently do not have two matches/day on about 10 days and I am positive that it would shorten the length of the event by about 2 weeks without the BCCI losing any revenue. ECB Can tweak its calendar by about 2 weeks and every one will be happy.

  • Guru2807 on April 10, 2013, 2:08 GMT

    3 Games in a day is a over kill, players wont get any rest at all, lots of travelling and playing every next day will reduce the quality of the game.. I like English players taking part on IPL, but English board should consider shortening their domestic season by couple of weeks, which is high risk and will create lots of controversy in English media, but if they want $$$ there should be some compromise from their side too..

  • RodStark on April 10, 2013, 2:00 GMT

    As an england supporter, this may be surprising, but I do entirely understand and agree with the IPL's point of view as regards school holidays, etc. It does seem to me that the English season could be set back a few weeks. The weather in April and May is usually so awful that it surely couldn't be worse to extend the season at the end. Also, it always seems like we play an early season "unimportant" test series and then mess around for quite a few weeks with ODIs that are usually rather spread out before we start the second "important" series of the summer. There must surely be some leeway here where things could be condensed a bit? What has complicated things is that now it's not just the ECB but the individual counties objecting to their players missing games. I'm still trying to figure out the rights and wrongs of that.

  • Siva_Bala75 on April 10, 2013, 1:34 GMT

    One of the largest audience component is the secondary/ high school students- millions of them and they are all super busy in march, stretching in to April first two weeks, being the peak annual exam period. BCCI should not agree to the IPL season commencing earlier than April first week.

  • BRUTALANALYST on April 10, 2013, 1:06 GMT

    The IPL is not going to downsize it is going to grow further, I guarantee a new franchise or two will be added and the contest extend in length like it already has done since it's beginning.

  • on April 10, 2013, 0:55 GMT

    First the english wanted it, now the indians think they got it. Cricket will be here long after you both gone.

  • on April 10, 2013, 0:45 GMT

    It is very unfair from ICC and other boards. Why ICC allow a window for IPL? Is IPL an ICC tournament? If yes then why Pakistani players are not allowed?

  • on April 10, 2013, 0:20 GMT

    Personally the ECB should start their season late or start it halfway thru the IPL so their players can play half of the IPL. Starting IPL early conflicts with the entire Indian domestic season. but one of the biggest things is that Indian students (grade school to college) have a summer vacation and are able to watch IPL live and at home. So personally I dont think its fair for the ECB to ask BCCI to change their domestic season, have IPL during kids exam times just so english domestic season in the RAIN can cont. Personally its the ECB cricketers that want to play but ECB doesnt want to compromise. SO BCCI should schedule the IPL their way, and ECB should let whoever from ECB get elected to play in IPL goes and plays. personally the list that cant play right now would include, swann, alex hales, butler, lumb, samit patel, dernbach.. but its not like the IPL can't do without them. I would rather see some strong pakistani players instead of them.

    So ECB need to make an adjustment

  • on April 9, 2013, 22:51 GMT

    Many Indians work in USA for American companies. They do so primarily because American companies pay better. These Indians working in USA have invested lot of their earnings in India and have helped Indian economy grow. It would have very foolish for the Indian government to force them into working in India.

    ECB and England would benefit in similar way by allowing its player's participation in IPL. Further, only 10 or so players are likely to get selected and played in the IPL. Rest of the hundred top players would still be available for the English domestic season.

    I think it is the ECB that needs a fresh perspective.

  • Optic on April 9, 2013, 22:31 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster I'd love you to tell me bud how the England summer ' puts the entire Ashes into question' because from what you're saying you haven't a clue what you're talking about. When in the 100+ year history of the Ashes in England have we had to question it, what a stupid thing to say. The last few that have been held in England have been thoroughly enjoyable.

  • JG2704 on April 9, 2013, 22:28 GMT

    From a totally neutral POV I don't see why IPL or ECB should change their stances on the issue.

    From IPL's point of view - the tournament is a massive success without England (or Pak for that matter) players involved.So from their POV why should they change it? Some Eng players have said/intimated that inability to play a full IPL has affected their chances. In my mind that's rubbish.There were a number of Aus players who played IPL 2012 after their test series in WI. In last years IPL , Morgan was benched the whole time and Jimmy , Swann and others went unsold at the auction.In this years IPL Luke Wright hasn't had a game yet and Pune have played twice , batted poorly twice. Morgan,Wright& Swann in particular are our top players and they how they are seen by IPL franchises says it all about how Eng players are seen in that neck of the woods. For that reason why would IPL change anything?

  • JG2704 on April 9, 2013, 22:25 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster on (April 9, 2013, 15:06 GMT) Re "England is not the world" - and neither is India or IPL either Your posts seem to indicate that BCCI can't reschedule anything or shouldn't have to - which I buy - but that England/English teams should ?

  • JG2704 on April 9, 2013, 22:25 GMT

    @JBSA on (April 9, 2013, 15:00 GMT) Your post seems to indicate that none of the other England players are worthy of IPL anyway and if your view is mirrored by the franchises - which it may well be - then why would ECB move everything around just so basically KP (who is injured right now) can play a full IPL? Last year Morgan was benched the whole time and this year (so far) despite Pune's poor batting displays Wright hasn't been called upon either.

    Re - I don't buy the availability thing either (reason for Eng palyers not being bought) as last year there were plenty of Oz players who played half the IPL due to test commitments

    ECB should accept BCCI's stance and reasons for not moving the IPL and IPL/IPL fans should respect the players clubs/ECB for doing what they feel is best.

  • hillstars on April 9, 2013, 22:23 GMT

    David Collier, you seriously think BCCI would consider the suggestion of finishing the IPL by the 30 April. In a country where education comes first then everything else, kids dont do anything but study for their exams in March, so starting IPL in March is out of the question. With IPL model being built around TV rights and sponsorship, scheduling the IPL during the indian school holiday period (Apr-May) results in optimum viewership, i cant see BCCI nudging on this.

  • on April 9, 2013, 22:09 GMT

    The whole point in IPL becoming a hit is that it is played during the Summer Vacation after the Board Exams are completed. Else, you wouldn't have the children watching the matches in stadiums as well as TV. This will have great impact on the viewership and revenue. Parents will switch off TV sets for the sake of their children who will be studying hard for exams. Well, that's exactly what I faced during the 2003 World Cup. I ruined my 12th exams for my insane love of Cricket. My brother did that during the 2011 World Cup. I don't think BCCI is unaware of this effect on youngsters with IPL scheduled during March/April (Exam time in India). Therefore, I don't see them moving it at all...

  • ladycricfan on April 9, 2013, 22:06 GMT

    It is not correct to say BCCI only cares about fans in india. IPL is telecast in so many countries worldwide because there are IPL fans there.You can also watch live telecast and highlights in YouTube for free in any corner of the world. Revenue from rest of the world my be small change to what india contributes. But as the saying goes " little drops of water make the mighty ocean." Don't ignore their contribution.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 9, 2013, 21:51 GMT

    As some posters pointed out, yes BCCI cannot ignore the fact that there is a huge potential for IPL to catch the interest of broader audience. No businessman would say, I'm happy with what I'm getting and so I don't care. An attitude contrary to that will be espoused only by arrogant fans but not BCCI. So, what's the best solution forward? BCCI can bear half the money that ECB might lose for canceling the May test matches and the remaing half can be borne by ECB to pay SKY in full. That way there is no loss of revenue for SKY, some loss for ECB and some loss for BCCI. Also no need to shorten county cricket or IPL. From the next contract, ECB and SKY should work it out with more realistic numbers for the decreased number of matches in May. If I were BCCI, I would propose this idea of loss sharing and help ECB. After all, they are the grand fathers of cricket. I think they are entitled to some tantrums, consideration and respect for giving cricket to the world.

  • YS_USA on April 9, 2013, 21:24 GMT

    Some fans are suggesting to shorten the IPL tournament. If IPL is to shorten by 30%, then the revenue will decline by 30% and players' salaries will have to be cut by 30%. Better thing to do is to expand IPL by 30% by making playoff matches best of 3 and the final best of 5 and incrase the revenue and players' salaries by 30%.

  • SirViv1973 on April 9, 2013, 20:50 GMT

    @Dravid Gravitias, Like you say it does come down to money, should the ipl compromise & be completed in 6 weeks then they will have to play 2 games on some days during the week or play 3 games a day on the weekend which will lead to some losses in advertising. Should the ECB reduce their home international commitments they would have to renegotiate with Sky for a deal which would almost certainly not be worth as much as it is now.

  • recycle-bin-is-empty on April 9, 2013, 20:42 GMT

    @NewSchoolCricket maybe you have just simply read the title and not the entire article. Anyways, your entire comment,if what you are saying is IPL has done well and will do well with just the Indian viewership alone, then i acknowledged that in my comment itself. What you are missing is the inclusion of foreign players are a big reason for the success of ipl in India and this inclusion has also brought a lot of fans from other countries as well. And in near future, BCCI will care for this viewership also. IPL simply has too much potential to expand for BCCI or for that matter any other organization to ignore.

  • ThyrSaadam on April 9, 2013, 20:28 GMT

    @ recycle-bin-is-empty , thanks for sharing your 2 cents on how business works; the whole IPL model is derived out of the MLB/NFL/MLS model of franchsied ownership. The general motto of all these leagues being join us or be left behind. IPL is pretty much following the same motto.I dont see MLS/NFL/MLB caring much for viewiship globally, they care about Americas and thats baout it. If others(China/Japan/SK) are willing to join the bandwagon they arent going to stop them. Infact, IPL II is a glowing example when they had SA host the event on such short notice. The indian govt wasnt able to assure them the necessary security and they were even ready to leave them behind, so i dont think they really would revamp an entire schedule because ECB cant keep its players happy....

  • SirViv1973 on April 9, 2013, 20:24 GMT

    @Pakipace, The ave temperatures here are probably quite similar in Apr to what they are in Oct. However the biggest problem with playing here in Oct would be the light. You probably couldn't start before 11am because of the dew and unless you had a very unseasonably bright day you would struggle to play until 5pm. In Apr it is far lighter and there is no problem getting in a full days play providing it doesn't rain, but there is just as much chance of rain in Oct as Apr.

  • gsingh7 on April 9, 2013, 20:22 GMT

    PL is doing great and is here to stay. Get along with it. I read all of the concerns/comments published here, but, all I can say, if people are willing, there isn't a problem which cannot be solved.

  • gsingh7 on April 9, 2013, 20:07 GMT

    its better late than never. ecb must accept with broad mind that centre of world cricket is in india now, more so it is ipl that rules world cricket. all premier cricketers put their names in auction and few talented players are picked . its open market. ecb need to change its summer schedule as ecb players will continue to make hay while sun shines in ipl. i can only see more number of teams in ipl as there are more than 40 large capacity stadiums in india .

  • half_blood-prince on April 9, 2013, 20:07 GMT

    Intl cricketers dont need to play in county..1.divide county in 2 parts..1st in dec-jan and 2nd in june and thereafter. 2.shorten ipl to 5 weeks..3.increase max overseas players to 5 or 6 as most teams have 2 or 3 very ordinary indian players..p.s.compromise has to be done from ecb side as they are desperate..

  • on April 9, 2013, 20:06 GMT

    I doubt IPL will be moved for the county season. Also not many English players will even be bought and played regularly except Pieterson.

  • SirViv1973 on April 9, 2013, 19:55 GMT

    @JBSA, I wasn't having a go at the IPL franchises or blaming them for not picking up Eng CC players who were not available for the whole season. I was merely trying to point out that the present situation which has led to the ECB approaching the BCCI has happened because the franchises have decided they don't want players for half a season which is completely their prerogative and fair enough in my view. If you Would have bothered to read my earlier post you would have seen that I was not advocating the IPL be moved to start in early March to suit Eng. I am well aware that this would affect a number of other countries as March is usually a busy month for int cricket. What I was suggesting was a compromise, a later start for Eng & an earlier finish for the IPL, which seems quite logic as I'm certainly not the only person suggesting such a move.

  • the_wallster on April 9, 2013, 19:53 GMT

    As an Englishman speaking, I absolutely love the iPL, and one of the few voices on these shores that does. Despite this, i can't argue with the fact that the IPL is far too long. For such a short game to last 7 weeks is frankly, ridiculous. It should be a maximum of 4 weeks. And by the same token, Collier should take a look at our own game. There are far too many counties/teams in our game, and should be culled by around 6 or 7 historically, recently, economically and England-representatively under-performing counties (Derbyshire, Worcestershire, Leicestershire, Gloucestershire spring to mind). Starting in April is absurd, and ending near October equally so. There are far too many teams in our game, and drastically needs to be shortened to further the ability and careers of our England players.

  • WalkedonMars on April 9, 2013, 19:51 GMT

    I agree IPL should not be stretched for almost eight/ten weeks as it becomes a drag by the ned of the first two/three weeks. Saying so ECB is not justified to millions of fans to compromise for four/six English players. ECB should grant player NOC.

  • Nutcutlet on April 9, 2013, 19:49 GMT

    Reading here that Feb & March is the exam period in India puts a new light on this issue. The IPL is where it is & it's not a moveable feast. The reality of the situation is that the BCCI holds all the aces & it is therefore up to ECB to work around the current situation, so Collier can make his attempt at dialogue, but no one should be holding his or her breath. Not to allow Eng contracted players access to IPL is not feasible either. Those that are marketable for IPL will do their sums & conclude that if all that drives them is becoming wealthy, then they might just as well go freelance & have the rich & easy pickings available to them.That's the price of living in a free-market democracy. To those who are so motivated, I say: good luck. Life is full of choices & you will have made yours. How many Eng players will the franchises pick up anyway? I'd guess not more than six. Meanwhile, we'll carry on without them; they'd have voted with their feet. What's the problem? Life goes on.

  • NewSchoolCricket on April 9, 2013, 19:38 GMT

    @Patrick Clarke - More than 80% of the revenue in cricket is being generated by India, and since revenue for home games goes to home country, money is actually flowing out of India every time India plays on the road. So any attempt by ICC to move IPL out of India will rightfully be opposed by BCCI, unless of course ICC is willing to let Indian money(mainly TV deals in India) go into the coffers of BCCI. Every country in the world, including the ECB, will oppose the latter. The epi-center of cricket has shifted east and ECB is in denial. Defiantly clinging onto traditions instead of making prudent and realistic decisions is not going help much.

  • PakiPace on April 9, 2013, 19:35 GMT

    The ECB should change the cricket season in England to start at the end of May and run through to October. April and sometimes May are almost completely washed out in this country, whereas there is splendid sunshine in October. It would run into the beginning of the football season, but that should not be a problem. BCCI will make all the right noises to appease Collier, but in the end they will not change a thing! It is high time for the ECB to stop thinking it deserves special treatment, and do the best thing for its players.

  • recycle-bin-is-empty on April 9, 2013, 19:32 GMT

    @ ThyrSaadam thats your myopic view actually. First of all, I never suggested that IPL owes anything to any board. What i wrote in my earlier comment was actually in the context of the article which clearly said that both bcci and ecb are on negotiations, meaning both sides are willing to accomodate each other with proper compromises. I simply wrote few out of many possible practical solutions.

    Secondly, your entire comment is as i said myopic. Thats not how businesses actually works. IPL is not only popular in India, but also in our neighbors and as Dravid Gravitas pointed even in West Indies. A lot of this popularity has to do with many of their players being involved with the ipl. Sure ipl can do and make profits just from India but we really can make this popular on a global level. And am sure in the near future this is going to happen if not already happening, BCCI will surely take this Indian mega event to the international stage.

  • NLionheart on April 9, 2013, 19:32 GMT

    While I dont see a reason BCCI changing IPL schedule to accomodate ECB's suggestions, another solution could be to reduce the overs to 15. That may make way for 3 matches in one day. Sepcially, if BCCI wants to have more teams in IPL.

  • on April 9, 2013, 19:24 GMT

    The thing is, the few English players that are playing IPL (and being selected to play) are doing very well indeed.

  • on April 9, 2013, 19:22 GMT

    The ECB need to have one test side tourning england each summer as every year England play a not so good team followed by a good team. The ECB need to change the pro 40 to a 50 over format as no international teams play 40 over cricket.The 20 20 games need to be played on weekends /bank holidays and school holidays to entise more families to come to the games. Its amazing that the world has put a man on the moon but hasnt come up with a ball which will sucessful enough to play test cricket at night time.

  • JBSA on April 9, 2013, 19:13 GMT

    @SirViv1973: If given an IPL team and given an option to buy a player: one who is good and available all season, one more who is equally good and available for less than half of this season and no idea about the upcoming season, whom would you buy? Clearly not the ECB unless it KP or Morgan. We can clearly understand that cricket in England post mid September is quite hard but be frank and say just for one country and some players(already Owais Shah, KP, Morgan, Wright etc have been playing) should we schedule prepone the schedule and clash it with the FTP of SL, SA, Aus and Ind? Or you want to pack up a tighter schedule and lose revenue to pay more for Eng players? Definitely missing the logic.

    BTW, I respect and know the tradition of County Cricket. Proud that England maintains its class

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 9, 2013, 19:08 GMT

    Next, cutting short IPL: Does it mean each team plays the other only once? Ridiculous, I say. Or - does it mean teams play in group style? Even more ridiculous. What's the point of IPL if CSK doesn't face-off with Gayle force? What's the point of IPL if ABD doesn't get a taste of Steyn? I can only see IPL expanding, like the Universe, if any.

  • ThyrSaadam on April 9, 2013, 19:05 GMT

    @ Patrick Clarke I am actually surprised that the ECB even approached the IPL. IPL and more so the BCCI has a worryingly cannibalistic attitude as demonstrated by the extermination of the ICL. Not sure they would be encouraged to use IPL as a vehicle to take cricket to other parts of Asia as long as they don't see $$$. They aren't really interested in the betterment of the game, or provide the fans in the different stadia with a better experience. We all know that their interpretation of getting more people "excited" about the IPL is only to get more viewership, not for the betterment of the game. All I am saying is ECB by requesting them to think about the schedule is only going to make them stronger in not wanting to budge at all from their current stance. Don't get me wrong I like IPL the product, but I just hate it's administrators whose sole purpose is to look at all available resources to extract as much $$$ in terms of ROI.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 9, 2013, 19:02 GMT

    Mates, this is a non-issue. Who forgets their school days? I didn't. I still remember how my Mother used to toil to get me and my siblings to school on time with tiffin (South Indian word for Breakfast) and Lunch nicely packed. We reciprocate it with hard-work at school and good marks in exams. As teenage sets-in with its hormones, interest in girls increased. But I just tell myself how my Mother is working hard at home for me and I would just focus on my books without getting distracted. Now, what ECB is asking is to spoil this whole dynamics of a close-knit family life where one compliments the other for around 10 months. It is natural that mothers and kids want to sit and have some time together. In fact, fathers are coming home early instead of spending time with their friends with a carom board or a pack of cards. Children and Mothers couldn't ask for more. IPL is a great unifying force for an Indian family. I can only laugh at the delusions of ECB. This ain't gonna happen.

  • on April 9, 2013, 18:52 GMT

    Best way is to have their own t20 franchised league during the ipl, with teams like Chelsea or Manchester.. People will watch both the leagues. And ecb players can earn big bucks too.. In the next year USA might also have a league which may interrupt with the county season.. Ecb should learn to appreciate their players to participate in which ever league they want :)

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 9, 2013, 18:51 GMT

    @PanGlupek, thanks for pointing it out. I stand corrected. My bad :(

  • on April 9, 2013, 18:38 GMT

    Why don't ECB pospond there their cricketing season somewhere at the end of May rather than asking BCCI to prepond IPL. First of all no Country has problem with the Current IPL season. Secondly its a summer vacation in Indian where millions and millions of people enjoying the T20 saga. Cricket has moved to east please don't deprived millions of fan for the sake of few players.

  • ProdigyA on April 9, 2013, 18:27 GMT

    Just not possible. Not to deny England of anything but its the time of Exams in India. Ask any parent the amount of pressure they have during this time. There is virtually no entertainment in India during this time.

  • shripadk on April 9, 2013, 18:26 GMT

    There is zero chance that tournament of the scale and stature of IPL will have anything less than 2 matches between all teams against each other. Reducing matches means either they play in groups which will be pathetic for tournament like IPL where half the teams will never meet each other on the ground. Or the tournament will have to be reduced in half which is again ridiculous proposition. IPL will only have minor changes to it from this point on. It sells, it is successful and players are coming there and they want to play there. BCCI is not going to screw up their own local viewership which is most important to franchise as well as all the sponsors most of whom are Indian brands or targeting Indian customers. And with school, college, university exams happening in March, tournament is not going to be preponed. Now it is up to ECB and English players to sit down and work out a compromise if they want to be in this tournament. IPL is doing fine.

  • ProdigyA on April 9, 2013, 18:19 GMT

    Feb-Mar is FINAL EXAMS SEASON in India, when all types of entertainment is totally cut for the kids and the parents too. The reason for IPL being so successful in India is because of its schedule. It falls exactly at the time of summer vacations in most of India. When parents and kids alike are done with their final exams and time to relax indoors in summer and enjoy IPL. Starting the tournament in Feb/Mar and ending by April would be a huge disaster as it would fall right in the middle of the final exams at all leves. The current schedule is the best and should not be moved.

  • ThyrSaadam on April 9, 2013, 18:15 GMT

    @recycle-bin-is-empty IPL does not owe anything to the dfferent boards. If the players are not availanble for the tenure of IPL, then the franchise owners are going to look elsewhere. If the ECB needs to keep its players happy then they need to make changes to their scehdule, county cricket is 100 years old or whatever, if they could move it around to accomadate the English t20 season then why not do it for the IPL? Sounds fair enough does it not?

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 9, 2013, 18:15 GMT

    @recycle-bin-is-empty, mate there's nothing non-sensical about it. Players who pride for technique will still do the hard miles and players who can never have an opportunity to play for the country can still have a livelihood with their 'spoilt' technique in IPL/t20 leauges around the world. How am I embarrassing myself with such an open-minded approach? Enlighten me, please.

  • PanGlupek on April 9, 2013, 18:08 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas, Errm, no, I don't expect the IPL to panda to the English season, perhaps you could read my earlier post before implying that I think the world should change anything for England.

    I was just pointing out that I can see why the ECB have objections that other nations don't, so it's not really fair to argue that no other teams are uspet, so England also can't be...

  • Sudhir65 on April 9, 2013, 18:08 GMT

    Why? I see many big name foreign players sitting on bench and doing nothing. There is a limit of only 4 non-Indians. Unless IPL increases the teams or the number of foreign players allowed, I think IPL has more than enough foreign players.

  • ThyrSaadam on April 9, 2013, 18:07 GMT

    @Patrick Clarke, sure you mean the SA cricketers move to India and not to England?

    The bottom line is if IPL were to get a fixed schedule, then other boards can work around that schedule. But the ICC is adamant to not prioritize the IPL. So again perhaps the ECB could push the ICC to get a fixed window for the IPL? And also have IPL shortened so that everyone is seen as sacrifising something, although the latter is not going to happen as BCCI 's revenue is going to take a hit then.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 9, 2013, 18:05 GMT

    I see what Dobell is saying. But, may be ECB and SKY should rework their contract. The bosom buddies they are, it shouldn't be difficult at all. In which case, it shouldn't take 3 or 4 years for one more English player's (Swann's) participation in IPL.

  • SirViv1973 on April 9, 2013, 18:03 GMT

    @JBSA, I would just like to make a couple of things clear. In Eng we have been playing test matches in May since 2000, 8 yrs before the inception of the IPLl. Secondly since 2009 the ECB have not refused CC players the chance to play in the IPL. They have allowed players around a 4 week window from early Apr until early May. They have then insisted on players returning home to play a FC County Championship game to get some longer format practice in before the first test of the summer which usually starts in the 3rd week of May, so apart from the first season of the IPL the ECB have not prevented any players from putting themselves forward for the auction. However some players with county contracts in particular with Notts, were banned this yr from putting themselves forward. The Problem has really arisen from the IPL franchises being reluctant to purchase Eng CC players who are only available for a limited time.

  • attilathecricketer on April 9, 2013, 17:59 GMT

    Stuff the players. They get paid more than enough already. In my mind it is more important to encourage smaller nations to play cricket by having test matches against them. However, it would be nice if the IPL were shorter (a month would seem right) and the players were given freedom to play in it (why they have to play county matches is beyond me and indeed they don't have to play test matches).

  • premclement on April 9, 2013, 17:52 GMT

    This request is ridiculous. I have lived in UK and I know their seasons. However, English fans must realize that the school and university exams in India finish by early April. If BCCI starts IPl early, then they will loose a junk of audience from India (more than total English population),which is bad for IPL. ECB should allow their players to participate, similar to SA, AUS, WI, SL cricket boards. come on ECB the world does not revolve around you. It is time for ECB to revolve around the world. The money for cricket is in the east. So ECB must adapt to the rules and regulations of the East.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 9, 2013, 17:48 GMT

    @SirViv1973, I think it is not very difficult for a compromise. It is, in fact, impossible. Just the way ECB has to look at several 'things' to make changes, IPL too has to look at several 'things'. The centre of those several 'things' for both the boards is money. IPL will not make any changes to accommodate Swann and may be one or two more English players. You and I know that IPL owners will not be interested in county trundlers and bits and pieces players going around as all-rounders. So, yes, ECB has to simply issue NOC to those English players who want to play and who catch the interest of the IPL owners. No need for anybody to make changes to their calendars. All have their diaries filled with appointments. No free days, unfortunately. Above all, the SKY team knows what a 'silly' league IPL is. So, they (SKY and ECB) don't need to make any changes to their 100 year old county format for the sake of a 5 year old 'silly' league.

  • recycle-bin-is-empty on April 9, 2013, 17:47 GMT

    @Dravid_gravitas "One obsolete argument against t20: "It spoils players' technique". Oh well, what's the point in having surplus of technically sound players when the magic numbers are 11 (for team) and 16 (for squad)?" Mate, please don't embarrass yourself by writing such non-sense.

    I can understand England's pov but asking BCCI to shift IPL before April seems non-practical to me. IPL targets a lot of young kids who would have their final exams going on during feb-march period here, as already pointed by many. Also, BCCI would also have to reschedule a lot of their own fixtures, which although difficult but still may be possible.

    One practical solution however is to start ipl on the last week of march, and schedule 3 matches instead of 2 on saturday and sunday. Or maybe England must allow their key players to play in ipl and if possible these players can join their counties at a later stage after ipl finishes off.\ (tho i m not really aware of their county season).

  • bigdhonifan on April 9, 2013, 17:43 GMT

    Best deal for ECB to make new contract with Sky with lesser amount and play 6 less test matches. And earn money from IPL by providing their players. I am sure BCCI is not going to reschedule the IPL.

  • cricket-india on April 9, 2013, 17:34 GMT

    gotta agree the ipl is quite a lengthy tourney.for viewership fatigue not to set in, it makes sense to shorten it, country cricket or no county cricket. just have 2 matches per day; right now i believe there's quite a few days with only 1 match, and if that happens to be a battle for mid-table mediocrity or wooden spoon honors, there's no fun at all. 2 matches pr day ensures viewership and alos the right duration for the tournament.

  • SirViv1973 on April 9, 2013, 17:23 GMT

    I would say a compromise is very difficult by not impossible & would need both sides to make changes. The ipl would need to be completed in 6 wks & finish in mid May, our own int season would then need to be delayed until the end of May. This may mean a reduction from 7 to 6 home tests which would need a renegotiation of the deal with Sky which could mean to a reduction in the amount the ECB receives from Sky & therefore can afford to pay CC players. The players would need to be aware of this as I would think less than half of them would get picked up by franchises(something I don't think some of them have considered). However at the end of the day the BCCI call the shots & I cannot really see any compromise coming from them. I still think the most likley scenario will see a franchised EPL during mid season & being covered by Sky.

  • MartinC on April 9, 2013, 17:19 GMT

    I'm getting bored with this question and the ECB trying to get something to move which is not going to - at least in the short term. In the long term the money will move somewhere else and the whole thing will collapse like a pack of cards in my opinion.

    Meanwhile any English player who wants to play is free to do so - it's just that they can't also accept a County contract or an ECB central contract. The choice is theirs. What's the problem?

  • on April 9, 2013, 17:14 GMT

    If the IPL is going to stay, schedule it in. Then, those who watch it won't whine about the best players going missing, and who don't won't whine that the best players are missing. Win/win!

  • on April 9, 2013, 17:08 GMT

    Guess the ECB have finally realised that the ipl is here to stay and they can do nothing about it. In any case, the ipl will only affect a hand full of players and there seems little reason to shift the schedule just for those few. In addition, Morgan and some of the others have already defied the ECB, which probably has twisted the ECB's hand somewhat. Cap in hand ECB - ain't life beautiful!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 9, 2013, 17:01 GMT

    @PanGlupek, exactly. So, you expect IPL and the whole world's calendar to change just for the sake of English calendar? You are kidding, right? All for the sake of 4 Marquee English players?! ( O _ O )

    KP is already here, with his heart (love him). Morgan is already here by letting his intentions known to everybody with his tweets and comments about snow and all in England.. We need Swann in India. So, just one more English player we need and the whole world has to change their calendars? Very fair indeed, as we have known ECB for a century now! Let ECB give NOC to Swann and may be to Prior, Broad and Anderson. Problem solved.

  • on April 9, 2013, 16:59 GMT

    Leave things as they are. English players can either continue to play for England and their counties or move to India and no longer be picked for England until they show full commitment to English cricket by putting English cricket first for a minimum of 12 months. There will be plenty of others who will take their place. How many tests did Kevin Pietersen play in the 2009 Ashes? If he or anyone else wants to move to India then fine, but don't expect to be welcomed back. Simples....

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 9, 2013, 16:50 GMT

    One obsolete argument against t20: "It spoils players' technique". Oh well, what's the point in having surplus of technically sound players when the magic numbers are 11 (for team) and 16 (for squad)? I support all the t20 leagues around the world. Anybody who has followed my posts on cricinfo knows that I'm one of the biggest fans of test cricket. What about Dravid? He bleeds test cricket even in his dreams. What's he doing in IPL then? Simple. He is trying to promote t20 cricket. Take Kallis, Steyn, Jayawardene, Sanga, Hussey, Statchin, Kohli, Gayle to name a few - excellent test records but still playing their country's domestic t20s and IPL also. Move on from your obsession with technique. Only 11 players can play test cricket. Technically sound Pujara, Dravid and Kallis are not the be all end all of cricket. Go talk to Hanuma Vihari's mother or Rayudu's family if you want to know what t20 and or IPL has done to their families.

  • on April 9, 2013, 16:49 GMT

    Who would have ever thought the premier NBA will use an Indian Sporting Tournament IPL to promote itself and that is why Cricket is a religion in India ! PS: I love you BCCI irrespective of irregularities, you have made us the dominate ones. A rare sight for us. Double PS: Crib as much as you can IPL Haters !!!

  • NeoTheSaviour on April 9, 2013, 16:38 GMT

    It's good, at least now ECB is thinking now for a solution. English media and their former player had lined up against IPL. There was/is too much uncalled for negative publicity. IPL is doing great and is here to stay. Get along with it. I read all of the concerns/comments published here, but, all I can say, if people are willing, there isn't a problem which cannot be solved.

  • liaqathussain on April 9, 2013, 16:29 GMT

    Ecb should wake up and start its own league,

  • SamRoy on April 9, 2013, 16:26 GMT

    One thing ECB can do is play ODIs and T20s before the test series which then can start in late May and by that time ask for England players to be released or expect IPL to get over. This way both the touring team as well as England can field their best test sides. It is a option which ECB can think about as everyone wants their best players to play test cricket and it is worth for the paying public to watch good cricket.

  • Mr_Anonymous on April 9, 2013, 16:24 GMT

    I think the good news is that there is some discussion going on between the ECB and BCCI to see if this can be resolved and both boards should be commended for at least trying to stop being adversarial and actually starting to resolve their differences through talks/negotiation.

    I think both sides have a valid viewpoint based on their own interest and unfortunately, I do not see any middle ground right now that could be acceptable to both sides.

  • British_North_America on April 9, 2013, 16:22 GMT

    You cannot tell me that because you will lose profit, I do not start the same business ,if it is an open market.

  • ajayunnikrishnan on April 9, 2013, 16:21 GMT

    it is not possible my dear ecb....i am a student and i am having exams in march....so IPL cannot be conducted before april

  • Selassie-I on April 9, 2013, 16:14 GMT

    I understand that david collier's request might seem outlandish to most Indians, however, please do bear in mind the weather in England - you guys probably don't know but we only have a small window where we have cricketing weather.

    It would be great for us to shift our season back a month, but if you ask that then I would say try coming to England in mid October and playing cricket, it will be unlikley you would see any tempreatures above 10C, there would be frost at night, the clocks go back an hour so you'd probably have to go off for bad light by 4pm and that's if you even got on beacuse of the inevitable torrential rain! They say us Brits are obsessed with the weather - there is a reason for this guys!! Even throughout the mid-summer we're permanently looking at the weather to see if the weekends match will be rained off!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 9, 2013, 16:13 GMT

    @Samroy, at the end of the day it's not just about conquering the world of cricket in test matches. It's about livelihood and earning and I support all the under-23 players to play whatever cricket they can play. It's about their lives also and not just (y)our obsession with technique. Get a grip, please.

  • SamRoy on April 9, 2013, 15:54 GMT

    I am against U-23 players playing IPL or for that matter any T-20 league around the world. Best example is Cheteshwar Pujara who never got a fair go in IPL despite having a great domestic 4-day and 50 over record because of his supposed inability to muscle balls over the boundary. He has matured as a batsman and knows his game a lot more than either Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma despite having played a lot less for the country then either. T20 can play havoc with the technique of a young batsman. Better play 4-day games and know your strength and weaknesses and how to survive a testing spell of bowling.

  • YS_USA on April 9, 2013, 15:43 GMT

    Frazel, Over here in the USA, interest in most sports matches go down after a few weeks, but, then, it picks up again in playoff matches. IPL should do the dame and have best of 3 in playoff matches and best of 5 in the final, which will generate a lot more inensity, interest, passion and of course money, but, then, that will strech IPL season and not trim it. England has to live their domestic season without a few players. Soon test matches will be played during the day and T20 matches in the evening of the same day as they do over here. Of course, all sports are driven by money.

  • bigdhonifan on April 9, 2013, 15:31 GMT

    IPL wont start in March as all school, college exams are happening in the month of march. Sorry Brit's, you guys have to find another way..

  • PanGlupek on April 9, 2013, 15:19 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas, there's a very simple reason why no other boards have objections to the IPL like the ECB do - it doesn't clash with their domestic season (except Pakistan, I think)!

  • TSJ07 on April 9, 2013, 15:17 GMT

    Had it not been due to last of academic session In India BCCI might have considered it but can not do it as IPL is big hit among youth and kids of India. Not sure why ECB can not adjust their own house in the order 1st. Even some counties had to guts to ban some players from taking part in IPL. I would welcome players from all the countries take part in IPL inclu England and Pak.Infact I would also suggest that they should make one more rule where teams can chose one more foreign player but that has to be from SL,Pak or BD, all our neighbors.

  • YS_USA on April 9, 2013, 15:15 GMT

    India's top stars do not play in most of domestic home season (Ranji matches) unless they are asked to do so by BCCI to sharpen their skills or they choose to do so to regain form and berth in the national team. English domestic matches can live without a few (less than 10) players who get chosen by the IPL

  • BRUTALANALYST on April 9, 2013, 15:10 GMT

    IPL are not going to listen if anything the IPL will again extend and expand further no way they're going to shorten the length or reschedule dates now.

  • Optic on April 9, 2013, 15:09 GMT

    @Sameer Samani If it was as simple as that we wouldn't have a problem. Have you ever watched one day games in England in September, they are nearly always affected by weather, add another month onto that and you're having a laugh. Those saying the ECB are not willing to bend, have a word with yourself, where can they bend to It's already a problem now with the poor weather, even at the best of times. We are staring the County season in April because we can't possibly play any further than the middle of September. The fact is India can fairly easily move it back and it wouldn't affect the games, sure you'll miss out on kids watching because of the school holidays but ateotd that won't stop the league going ahead or the players getting paid or the money coming in, can't say that about County Cricket.

  • Cpt.Meanster on April 9, 2013, 15:06 GMT

    This will never happen. As much as England's request seems legit, it's not gonna happen. The only option left for English players is that they need to make up their minds like Eoin Morgan and come to India for the IPL, risking their places in county teams or the England set up. If Collier gets his way, that means India will have a shorter home season and will have to reschedule all their Ranji Trophy, Deodhar Trophy, Irani Trophy games etc and also their international commitments in order to start the IPL early. Nope, this will never happen. The IPL will always begin in April and end in May. And this has nothing to do with what's good for world cricket. England is not the world.

  • phunny_game on April 9, 2013, 15:02 GMT

    Woah... IPL, the most successful t20 league should change their schedule so that England can play their Domestic cricket and then come and play IPL... Well thats a little too much too ask for... Should be the other way round....

  • JBSA on April 9, 2013, 15:00 GMT

    IPL can't get over by April.

    1. The Vacation for many starts ony by Mid-April 2. Only ECB has the May Schedule problem since our first season 3. ECB so far so reluctant to send its players even when free so why should BCCI give nod to their request. 4. 3 games per day is impossible. Lose in Ads and Revenue. If you can see even for the 4:00PM IST matches, the crowd is comparitively less 5. If shifted earlier it would clash with the FTP of India, SL, Aus and SA

    So ECB you can change your schedule if you want. When the Pak players are there, we will never miss ECB players. The deserving players like KP, Morgan, Wright are already here

  • Optic on April 9, 2013, 15:00 GMT

    LOL It's very easy those Indian's saying move it forward they live in a hot country all year round. The comments below show little understanding of how long we can feasibly play cricket in this country because of a relatively short summer & poor weather. We've already got a massively cramped schedule to start with and If we move it to start later, the weather is poor at the end of September/October. The fact is if we had good weather into October this wouldn't even be a problem but as everyone who follows cricket should know, England has a short summer season to play a ton of cricket. There's no way England can move their season a month forward not because we're being difficult but because it's not practical and would no doubt ruin CC.

  • ladycricfan on April 9, 2013, 14:59 GMT

    I'm glad BCCI and ECB are willing to find a solution to this ongoing problem. IPL can start 6-10 days earlier. County season can start 6-10 days later. IPL can be shortened by playing 2 matches on most days. If there's a will there is a way. It will be nice to see English players in IPL. It is only fair. It will reduce the negative publicity IPL generates in English media. More english fans will show interest in IPL. More uk tv channels will be interested in telecasting the tournament. The quality of presenting IPL will become better in England. It will be win win for everybody. Hope it will happen sooner.

  • PanGlupek on April 9, 2013, 14:55 GMT

    Hmmm, tough one: On one hand, why did the ICC ever allow the BCCI to schedule a tournament involving senior international players during another country's domestic season in the first place? England can't really adjust thier schedule, there aren't enough summer months (and why should they anyway, the County Championship's been around for about 100 years, the IPL about 5 years).

    On the other hand, can the BCCI realistically be expected to change everything now for English players, very few of whom would be likely to get snapped up? Admittedly, an IPL with players like KP, Buttler, Finn & Swann might improve standards slightly (and fan's interest in IPL), but let's be honest, they'd all fly home injured after about a week anyway!

    The only short-term option I can see is for the ECB to just compensate contracted players better for not being allowed to take part, but that, of course, depends if they can afford to or not...

  • sitaram58 on April 9, 2013, 14:43 GMT

    IPL is considering increasing the number of teams. Consequently the season will consist of 98 matches in 2014, 140 in 2015 and 320 in 2016. The long term plan is to start the IPL season in October and have it end in April (thus accomodating the ECB). Eventually the IPL will start in September then August, July and finally in June - but for sure it will end in April.

  • Sudhir65 on April 9, 2013, 14:27 GMT

    The IPL owes a lot of its success to foreign players' participation and the skills and leadership they bring to the league.

    As an Indian I might be one of the very few who thinks it would be arrogant of BCCI to just dismiss this request without even considering it. And yes, May in India is very hot with temperatures hovering in 40s (Centigrade).

  • on April 9, 2013, 14:21 GMT

    Why dont you alter your own league schedule

  • jmcilhinney on April 9, 2013, 14:20 GMT

    @ThyrSaadam on (April 9, 2013, 13:59 GMT), the BCCI has nothing to lose except the respect of the cricket world by not doing what they can for the good of cricket world-wide, unless you think it's too late for that. Do these people who suggest moving the English season actually know what the weather is like in England? There is very little summer as it is so there just isn't anywhere to move to. India already play cricket outside of their "summer" because of the climate so they have far more freedom to move things around. I know that it's not all black and white and I don't just expect the BCCI to do whatever anyone else asks but if they want cricket to flourish around the world then they have to accept that the IPL is a significant factor in preventing that happening in both England and WI in particular. This is an issue that cricket boards around the world need to cooperate on to get the best outcome possible for everyone. Or the BCCI can just say that every else can stick.

  • bighit14 on April 9, 2013, 14:19 GMT

    This would be difficult as the school vacation time starts only after 1st or 2nd week of April. BCCI would not risk empty stands and low TRP just for accomodating English players.

  • Stevros3 on April 9, 2013, 14:19 GMT

    The problem is Sky have a massive deal with the ECB, which makes up a huge portion of the ECB's revenue and they don't have any rights for the IPL, therefore it's in Sky's intrest NOT to allow the English season to move, meaning the ECB are getting themselves trapped by their greed and dependancy on the money Sky gives them. The BCCI though has valid resons for scheduling the season when they do - holidays in their country. The only issue with moving the English season by a couple of weeks is the contract between SKY and the ECB so basically just ££££££.

  • ThatsJustCricket on April 9, 2013, 14:15 GMT

    its quite a precarious situation. I can understand the frustration of the english players. When players from every other country (even mediocre players) are making big bucks at the IPL for roughly a month's work, it is damn frustrating to be excluded year after year. Not sure there is any real solution though.

  • DeepakSarathy on April 9, 2013, 14:03 GMT

    Why should India have to change its entire scheduling just for players from one country? Let ECB do the adjusting on their end if they want to let their players play IPL.

  • Rajeshj on April 9, 2013, 14:00 GMT

    I don't think it would be a wise idea for IPL to end by April 30th.. The schools work till April 15th.. the IPL is a big hit in India, mainly because the younger generation can enjoy it during their summer vacation.. by this move, I think their joy would be cut short needlessly.. If the English summer starts by May 15th, then why can't the IPL extend till May 15th or 20th.. I am sure the English counties can allow their main players a week or two to participate in IPL... If the ECB can't bend, then why should we IPL lovers be asked to bend... this is not a win-win situation proposed by ECB...

  • on April 9, 2013, 13:58 GMT

    very unfortunate for cricket and ICC.

  • on April 9, 2013, 13:57 GMT

    If english players want to play, force the ECB to move the start of the english season back.

  • on April 9, 2013, 13:56 GMT

    Nooooooooo! In that case it'll fall smack in the middle of my (and many others') semester exams!

  • CricFin on April 9, 2013, 13:55 GMT

    IPL cannot start before April because kids/students will be having their exams in march.England needs to make a deal with SKY. simples

  • CricFin on April 9, 2013, 13:55 GMT

    IPL cannot start before April because kids/students will be having their exams in march.England needs to make a deal with SKY. simples

  • on April 9, 2013, 13:56 GMT

    Nooooooooo! In that case it'll fall smack in the middle of my (and many others') semester exams!

  • on April 9, 2013, 13:57 GMT

    If english players want to play, force the ECB to move the start of the english season back.

  • on April 9, 2013, 13:58 GMT

    very unfortunate for cricket and ICC.

  • Rajeshj on April 9, 2013, 14:00 GMT

    I don't think it would be a wise idea for IPL to end by April 30th.. The schools work till April 15th.. the IPL is a big hit in India, mainly because the younger generation can enjoy it during their summer vacation.. by this move, I think their joy would be cut short needlessly.. If the English summer starts by May 15th, then why can't the IPL extend till May 15th or 20th.. I am sure the English counties can allow their main players a week or two to participate in IPL... If the ECB can't bend, then why should we IPL lovers be asked to bend... this is not a win-win situation proposed by ECB...

  • DeepakSarathy on April 9, 2013, 14:03 GMT

    Why should India have to change its entire scheduling just for players from one country? Let ECB do the adjusting on their end if they want to let their players play IPL.

  • ThatsJustCricket on April 9, 2013, 14:15 GMT

    its quite a precarious situation. I can understand the frustration of the english players. When players from every other country (even mediocre players) are making big bucks at the IPL for roughly a month's work, it is damn frustrating to be excluded year after year. Not sure there is any real solution though.

  • Stevros3 on April 9, 2013, 14:19 GMT

    The problem is Sky have a massive deal with the ECB, which makes up a huge portion of the ECB's revenue and they don't have any rights for the IPL, therefore it's in Sky's intrest NOT to allow the English season to move, meaning the ECB are getting themselves trapped by their greed and dependancy on the money Sky gives them. The BCCI though has valid resons for scheduling the season when they do - holidays in their country. The only issue with moving the English season by a couple of weeks is the contract between SKY and the ECB so basically just ££££££.

  • bighit14 on April 9, 2013, 14:19 GMT

    This would be difficult as the school vacation time starts only after 1st or 2nd week of April. BCCI would not risk empty stands and low TRP just for accomodating English players.

  • jmcilhinney on April 9, 2013, 14:20 GMT

    @ThyrSaadam on (April 9, 2013, 13:59 GMT), the BCCI has nothing to lose except the respect of the cricket world by not doing what they can for the good of cricket world-wide, unless you think it's too late for that. Do these people who suggest moving the English season actually know what the weather is like in England? There is very little summer as it is so there just isn't anywhere to move to. India already play cricket outside of their "summer" because of the climate so they have far more freedom to move things around. I know that it's not all black and white and I don't just expect the BCCI to do whatever anyone else asks but if they want cricket to flourish around the world then they have to accept that the IPL is a significant factor in preventing that happening in both England and WI in particular. This is an issue that cricket boards around the world need to cooperate on to get the best outcome possible for everyone. Or the BCCI can just say that every else can stick.