England v India, 4th ODI, Edgbaston September 2, 2014

England World Cup plans in ruins

England's World Cup plans are in ruins after another trouncing from India at Edgbaston and Alastair Cook's presence in the side is impossible to justify
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Butcher: England's attitude to ODIs is wrong

By the end of a game that had all the competitive elements of a day of seal clubbing, there could be no masking the flaws in the England ODI side. This wasn't a cricket match. It was a massacre.

Bowled out for the fifth time in six full-length ODIs - including every innings this series - they only avoided sinking to a first 10-wicket defeat in a home ODI when Ajinkya Rahane hit a full-toss to cover with victory in sight. This was 'sport' in the same way that shooting and fishing are sports. There was only ever going to be one winner.

England have now lost five ODIs in a row and five ODI series out of six. They are not building towards a World Cup challenge, they are crumbling ahead of it.

This defeat leaves them with 12 ODIs - it could be 13, but can you really see them reaching the final of the tri-series event with Australia and India? - before their World Cup campaign starts. Which means they are running out of time to find a formula that might work. It is a phrase that could have been written ahead of every World Cup challenge they have mounted since 1996.

There has some simplification of history in much of the recent analysis. To claim that England have fallen behind the rest of the world in their ODI tactics for more than a decade ignores the fact - and facts tend to be more persuasive than selective opinions - that, less than two years ago, they were rated No. 1 in the world in the ICC rankings. It ignores, too, that just over 12 months ago, they were in the Champions Trophy final. They have not always been this bad.

And it is not so ridiculous to presume that their tactics - accumulate then accelerate - could yet prove effective. Had England scored 270 here, as was their target at the start of their innings, they might just have put the India batsmen under a little more pressure. The problem remains more that the execution of their tactics has been woeful.

To play out four maidens in the first mandatory Powerplay; for none of the top six - including the perceived 'accumulators' - to have registered a half-century in the series; to lose with 20 overs remaining: these are signs of a team that failed even to compete. It was akin to India taking on an Associate nation.

There has been much talk about the players England need to pick in order to improve their performance: the likes of Jason Roy, James Vince and James Taylor. And, it is true, each of them may have a part to play, although expecting them to provide a silver-bullet solution is asking a bit much.

Kevin Pietersen, too, might have had a part to play. But unless he is going to play county cricket regularly enough to find form and warrant genuine consideration, he slips - sadly - into irrelevance. He has not played a List A game this year.

But it is Jonathan Trott that they miss. A healthy Jonathan Trott, anyway. If they are going to utilise these tactics, it is a batsman of Trott's ability - his batting average is 20% higher than any man to represent England in more than 20 ODIs - that they require to establish the platform on which the likes of Jos Buttler and Eoin Morgan can build.

Up until the end of the Champions Trophy, England sides including Trott were bowled out for under 250 once in 25 full-length ODIs dating back to the start of 2012. Without him, it has happened six times in 17 ODIs. It might be a risk taking him back to Australia, but in the 2011 ODI series in the country, against an attack including Mitchell Johnson, Brett Lee and Shaun Tait, he topped the England averages (62.50) and had a strike-rate of 81.69.

The management's continued insistence that they believe Alastair Cook is the man to lead the ODI side forward in the face of all logic and evidence is beginning to resemble those who deny climate change

It may be that there is no combination of England players available good enough to win the World Cup. But even if that is the case - and if it is, there should be a thorough review of the failure of the county and England programmes to produce the requisite players - there is no reason to accept performances as dire as this.

It has become almost impossible to defend Alastair Cook's position in the side. It is now 38 innings and 26 months since he has reached even 80. For a man selected to provide the platform for others, that is an unsustainable record.

The management's continued insistence that they believe he is the man to lead the ODI side forward in the face of all logic and evidence is beginning to resemble those who deny climate change. It is surely telling that the only ODI series England have won in recent times - against West Indies - was with a side that did not include Cook.

One of Cook's great qualities is his stubborn determination. His refusal to know he is beaten. It is part of what has rendered him one of England's greatest Test batsmen.

But, in these circumstances, those qualities might be a weakness. It is increasingly hard to avoid the conclusion that Cook is part of the problem and that, whatever his many positive qualities as a man, he is simply no longer worth his place in the side. He is impeding the opportunities for the likes of Roy or Trott or Taylor. He needs to go.

There was one shaft of light for England. The elegant way Moeen Ali eased his way to a 37-ball half-century - there have been only 20 faster by England players - in his first ODI in England offered some hope for the future and some respite from the otherwise unrelentingly one-sided nature of this 'contest.'

But it was a brief interlude of joy in a general drama of pain. England are dire at ODI cricket. There can be no denying it.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • dunger.bob on September 3, 2014, 1:10 GMT

    I think England has the right approach. If you happen to be playing on a mine field of a pitch that is. For the vast majority of matches though, it's batting is simply not aggressive enough. On most decent one day pitches you can hit through the line of the ball with a lot of confidence and a run rate of 5 or 6 is only par these days. Swann said England work on 240 being an average and highly defendable score but dudes, that's at least 60 runs short of where you should be aiming. If you don't make 300 regularly you're on a very rocky road.

    I love @Nutcutlets line about the ship going down with all guns blazing. That's the way to go because faint heart never a World Cup won.

  • Weston84 on September 4, 2014, 12:28 GMT

    What doesn't help is when a player like Michael Lumb gets a century on odi debut then gets dropped 2 games later for no apparent reason,

    This would be my squad to choose from - Hales, Taylor, Vince, Roy, Ballance, Root, Buttler, Ali, Rashid, Broad, Stokes, Bopara, Woakes, Jordan, Anderson, Finn, Patel, Morgan

    Yes I know not much experience apart from Bopara, Anderson, Broad and Morgan but in Bopara and Taylor you got players who have experience in captaining a team and there's players with power and precision

  • Srini9 on September 4, 2014, 8:33 GMT

    First of all Eng Team Management in catch 22 situation now for their mistakes of egos and foolishness, as the WC 2015 just around the corner and clock ticking. I tell you the problems. 1. First of all NOBODY from Eng team management should be talking about Cook's place and captaincy at this time, as they gone past that date for WC 2015. 2.) The best thing possibly they can do in my opinion, is to repair the damage that they did to the team composition. There are too many youngsters in the batting line-up just played Eng domestic competition look promising, however they have't played with senior players and achievers like Kevin Peterson at a highest level. Ask Peter Moors to keep egos down. Attitudes of anybody can be corrected it's very simple thing to be corrected, for that reason one one shouldn't dump the talent and experience. I would suggest, Open the doors for KP, at least End Team will have a good chance to compete. Once you a chance then think about winning......

  • Biggus on September 4, 2014, 5:33 GMT

    @Nutcutlet:- Indeed, I've never understood the English caution/timidity with regard to cricket. After all, this isn't the Battle of Britain where a mistake or a rash move has nationally catastrophic consequences. We're supposed to play the game for the love of it, for the chance to let our spirits soar, to clutch at Fortuna's hand in an effort to transcend our mortal selves. England tend to play the game like a penny pinching skinflint rather than dashing sportsmen. It's like a composer who deliberately sets out to write a piece that's so mundane no one wants to hear it. I just don't get it, is that what passes for fun over there?

  • drfarnsworth on September 4, 2014, 4:27 GMT

    Sure, KP should still be in the team and without being dumped and remaining in the England "set up" he probably would be scoring runs without the above affecting him. But I agree with the author, George Dobell, the main player England miss is Trott. A top order of Cook, Hales, Trott, KP, Bell, and Morgan compliment each other. Cook is a good one day player, but he needs Trott in the side. Maybe Ballance can fill that role?!

  • landl47 on September 3, 2014, 21:31 GMT

    I'm so sick of this 'bring back KP' stuff. For all practical purposes the guy has retired. He's 34 now, will be closing in on 35 by the time the WC is played, hasn't played a List-A game this year and his form in T20s has been dismal. His average over the last 10 games he's played is 21, with a top score of 39.

    The English ODI season is finished (for Surrey, at any rate) so how does he get to play himself into form- in Sri Lanka?

    Give it up. He's gone and he isn't coming back.

  • indianzen on September 3, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    With the current team, captain, coach, players, attitude, mindset and board administration, England will never win a world cup... I am betting big on South Africa, Australia & India this time...

  • sudeep_sarkar on September 3, 2014, 17:56 GMT

    England should play with Zim,Bangladesh & Ire land to get there confidence.They should look for new blood.

  • FredJ000 on September 3, 2014, 17:39 GMT

    No to 4 seamers (unless you count Bopara as one of them)

    In ODI cricket you don't actually need to take wickets to win - it does help if you can but you don't NEED to

    What you absolutely need to do is score shed loads of RUNS. 300 is the new par.

    Bopara, Ali, Tredwell, Anderson, Broad, Stokes can bowl your 50 overs no problem - Root and Luke Wright chipping in with a couple if you play him gives you versatility.

    The bowling isn't the problem, it's the batting, particularly being lead by Cook. Morgan is not good enough either.

    Getting shot of Cook would not actually be that drastic. Let us remember that he never used to be a feature in the ODI team at all. He wasn't at the last world cup. Dropping him is not that big a deal. It will also - as Michael Vaughan rightly said - give England a better chance of winning the world cup and the ashes with a fresh Cook for Tests only.

  • arup_g on September 3, 2014, 16:43 GMT

    Cook is not an ODI player. He has just about got his test form back, but only because of some woeful Indian bowling but against better oppositions he will struggle. England need to look at attacking talent, like Hales, pretty much throughout their order if they are to emulate what India did in the last World Cup. What was wrong with someone like Carberry? He is attacking, and also a left hander. I would give the captaincy to Morgan although he has been out of form, he is an innovative batsman and therefore his captaincy may be the same. Cook is way too defensive!

    Also what about players like James Taylor (the guy averages 52!) in the middle order and Roland Jones with the ball? Spinning wise, I guess stick with Tredwell or try Briggs again. Alternatively just stick with Ali as the main spinner and play 4 seamers. I also think Bopara has a big part to play still.

    My XI - Ali, Hales, Ballance, Root, Morgan (c), Taylor, Buttler (WK), Bopara, Woakes, Broad, Anderson, Finn/Guerney

  • dunger.bob on September 3, 2014, 1:10 GMT

    I think England has the right approach. If you happen to be playing on a mine field of a pitch that is. For the vast majority of matches though, it's batting is simply not aggressive enough. On most decent one day pitches you can hit through the line of the ball with a lot of confidence and a run rate of 5 or 6 is only par these days. Swann said England work on 240 being an average and highly defendable score but dudes, that's at least 60 runs short of where you should be aiming. If you don't make 300 regularly you're on a very rocky road.

    I love @Nutcutlets line about the ship going down with all guns blazing. That's the way to go because faint heart never a World Cup won.

  • Weston84 on September 4, 2014, 12:28 GMT

    What doesn't help is when a player like Michael Lumb gets a century on odi debut then gets dropped 2 games later for no apparent reason,

    This would be my squad to choose from - Hales, Taylor, Vince, Roy, Ballance, Root, Buttler, Ali, Rashid, Broad, Stokes, Bopara, Woakes, Jordan, Anderson, Finn, Patel, Morgan

    Yes I know not much experience apart from Bopara, Anderson, Broad and Morgan but in Bopara and Taylor you got players who have experience in captaining a team and there's players with power and precision

  • Srini9 on September 4, 2014, 8:33 GMT

    First of all Eng Team Management in catch 22 situation now for their mistakes of egos and foolishness, as the WC 2015 just around the corner and clock ticking. I tell you the problems. 1. First of all NOBODY from Eng team management should be talking about Cook's place and captaincy at this time, as they gone past that date for WC 2015. 2.) The best thing possibly they can do in my opinion, is to repair the damage that they did to the team composition. There are too many youngsters in the batting line-up just played Eng domestic competition look promising, however they have't played with senior players and achievers like Kevin Peterson at a highest level. Ask Peter Moors to keep egos down. Attitudes of anybody can be corrected it's very simple thing to be corrected, for that reason one one shouldn't dump the talent and experience. I would suggest, Open the doors for KP, at least End Team will have a good chance to compete. Once you a chance then think about winning......

  • Biggus on September 4, 2014, 5:33 GMT

    @Nutcutlet:- Indeed, I've never understood the English caution/timidity with regard to cricket. After all, this isn't the Battle of Britain where a mistake or a rash move has nationally catastrophic consequences. We're supposed to play the game for the love of it, for the chance to let our spirits soar, to clutch at Fortuna's hand in an effort to transcend our mortal selves. England tend to play the game like a penny pinching skinflint rather than dashing sportsmen. It's like a composer who deliberately sets out to write a piece that's so mundane no one wants to hear it. I just don't get it, is that what passes for fun over there?

  • drfarnsworth on September 4, 2014, 4:27 GMT

    Sure, KP should still be in the team and without being dumped and remaining in the England "set up" he probably would be scoring runs without the above affecting him. But I agree with the author, George Dobell, the main player England miss is Trott. A top order of Cook, Hales, Trott, KP, Bell, and Morgan compliment each other. Cook is a good one day player, but he needs Trott in the side. Maybe Ballance can fill that role?!

  • landl47 on September 3, 2014, 21:31 GMT

    I'm so sick of this 'bring back KP' stuff. For all practical purposes the guy has retired. He's 34 now, will be closing in on 35 by the time the WC is played, hasn't played a List-A game this year and his form in T20s has been dismal. His average over the last 10 games he's played is 21, with a top score of 39.

    The English ODI season is finished (for Surrey, at any rate) so how does he get to play himself into form- in Sri Lanka?

    Give it up. He's gone and he isn't coming back.

  • indianzen on September 3, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    With the current team, captain, coach, players, attitude, mindset and board administration, England will never win a world cup... I am betting big on South Africa, Australia & India this time...

  • sudeep_sarkar on September 3, 2014, 17:56 GMT

    England should play with Zim,Bangladesh & Ire land to get there confidence.They should look for new blood.

  • FredJ000 on September 3, 2014, 17:39 GMT

    No to 4 seamers (unless you count Bopara as one of them)

    In ODI cricket you don't actually need to take wickets to win - it does help if you can but you don't NEED to

    What you absolutely need to do is score shed loads of RUNS. 300 is the new par.

    Bopara, Ali, Tredwell, Anderson, Broad, Stokes can bowl your 50 overs no problem - Root and Luke Wright chipping in with a couple if you play him gives you versatility.

    The bowling isn't the problem, it's the batting, particularly being lead by Cook. Morgan is not good enough either.

    Getting shot of Cook would not actually be that drastic. Let us remember that he never used to be a feature in the ODI team at all. He wasn't at the last world cup. Dropping him is not that big a deal. It will also - as Michael Vaughan rightly said - give England a better chance of winning the world cup and the ashes with a fresh Cook for Tests only.

  • arup_g on September 3, 2014, 16:43 GMT

    Cook is not an ODI player. He has just about got his test form back, but only because of some woeful Indian bowling but against better oppositions he will struggle. England need to look at attacking talent, like Hales, pretty much throughout their order if they are to emulate what India did in the last World Cup. What was wrong with someone like Carberry? He is attacking, and also a left hander. I would give the captaincy to Morgan although he has been out of form, he is an innovative batsman and therefore his captaincy may be the same. Cook is way too defensive!

    Also what about players like James Taylor (the guy averages 52!) in the middle order and Roland Jones with the ball? Spinning wise, I guess stick with Tredwell or try Briggs again. Alternatively just stick with Ali as the main spinner and play 4 seamers. I also think Bopara has a big part to play still.

    My XI - Ali, Hales, Ballance, Root, Morgan (c), Taylor, Buttler (WK), Bopara, Woakes, Broad, Anderson, Finn/Guerney

  • FredJ000 on September 3, 2014, 16:27 GMT

    I also agree to some extent about Anderson's inclusion. White ball down in Australia hmmm and wouldn't it be better to rest him for the Tests.

    While I agree with this I don't see an obvious replacement and his partnership with Broad is excellent.

    The obvious replacement is Finn, particularly on Aussie pitches but he still looks a shadow of his former self. In Edgbasten he was clocking in at 82, 83 mph. Unless he can find his pace again I'd rather have Anderson's experience and talent in the side than Finn.

    It's also pretty clear that this will be Jimmy's last shot at the World Cup. If Cook retired from ODIs with another player at the same time it would send out the message we need - but he can do with with Bell, both of whom can concentrate on the Tests.

  • FredJ000 on September 3, 2014, 16:20 GMT

    Next year is a big year of cricket, England need to think in terms of how to keep both ODI and Test tams fresh. Cook and Bell have to be dropped but so does Morgan. I'm not convinced he is the answer and unsure his captaincy would fit. Here's what I would do.

    Bring in James Taylor. He is in great form for Notts much like Hales but he is also one who could captain the side. Why not go left field and change the team up with him as captain? He has captained on Lions tours and they clearly see him as a future leader. Bopara needs to come back too. My team/15 would be

    Hales Moeen Ali Ballance Taylor (c) Root Bopara Buttler (wk) Woakes / Stokes Broad Tredwell Anderson

    Woakes/Stokes Bairstow Gurney Luke Wright

    What with such a break from Tests the Broad Anderson combination is too good to resist with a new ball each - plus this is realistically the last world cup where they can play together. In the squad you also have an all rounder, a sub keeper/bat, a quick left armer and t20 slogger!

  • on September 3, 2014, 16:13 GMT

    Pathetic English team, the ECB should eat humble pie and call back KP to this team to have any chance.

  • SirViv1973 on September 3, 2014, 16:05 GMT

    For those Ind fans calling for KP to be reinstated,Even if the ECB performed the greatest U turn in the history of Professional sport, they couldn't pick him anyway. He hasn't played a ListA match for a year and his form in the few T20 games he's played for Delhi & Surrey this year hasn't been very good.

  • Leggie on September 3, 2014, 15:37 GMT

    As an Indian fan, what baffles me is that England decided to produce wickets that were not seaming and bouncing - despite being proved during the Test series that that was the only way to contain Indian stroke makers. With the upcoming World Cup being in Australia, common sense would suggest that as many matches be played in conditions that mimic the Australian conditions so that the teams are well prepared. This ODI series has been disappointing in that there appears to be no effort to even remotely attempt that, which in turn has also dented India's preparation for the 2015 World Cup!

  • on September 3, 2014, 14:33 GMT

    England needs kp vry urgently. Nothing else will work mark my words.cook is not a one day cricket (50 50 ) player. He needs to go

  • niazbhi on September 3, 2014, 14:23 GMT

    India has many batsmen who are natural hitters. Bowlers who may not be a real threat in tests, but really hard to hit.. we cannot deny the talent thats coming from a nation of more than a billion people. For pitches or body structure, india does produces few fast bowlers, few bowlers who can bounce the batsmen out. That creates their batsmen's inability of handling it.. Thats the only weakness india has. This is exposed in the test cricket. Also indian condition does not suit the swing bowling.. batsmen are sometimes not as good in it as well. If Vengsarker, Patil and Amarnath has overcome those weaknesses, why not this generation. India's quicks are coming with more guile and swings these days.. so that should help. India may be defeated in this test series, they did nt look like they cannot bounce back. England ODI team looks like they cannot bounce back. Its not surprising that for the most part your best bowlers are same for the both formats.

  • SinSpider on September 3, 2014, 13:56 GMT

    Forget "Cook the Captain".. first, ECB needs to look at "Cook the player".

    Alastair Cook is in the team as an opening batsman. In the last 38 innings (for more than two years), he has not scored >80. In the last 15 ODIs, he has only one fifty. His selection in the team is a complete joke and actually degrades the quality of the team.

  • 200ondebut on September 3, 2014, 13:39 GMT

    I am not sure why Morgan is being touted as one of the linchpins of our batting line up - his performances over the last three years have been woefully inconsistent. Bopara would be a far better bet and hugely more gifted. Taylor can only hit the ball in one place - something international cricketers wont allow - and his diminutive lack of power would be cruelly exposed especially on the larger Oz grounds. Bairstow is a good call. Can only play two plodders not three. White ball doesn't seem to swing anymore which make life hard for Jimmy (rest him for the tests). We need a reliable death bowler - trouble is all the good one play for other countries.

  • Dr.Vindaloo on September 3, 2014, 13:26 GMT

    Let's talk about Anderson. Why is he in ODI team? All the arguments as to why Cook should not be there as batsman also apply to Anderson as bowler. Essentially two world class test players who get inked onto the ODI teamsheet without thinking. In the case of Anderson there is also his fitness to consider. He is entering the final stage of his career and he should be saved for the test format rather than flogged through the 15 ODIs that precede England's next test series. And, even though Engand management and hierarchy will never admit, winning 2015 Ashes is much more important for them (and British public) than winning ODI World Cup.

  • Big_Poppa_94 on September 3, 2014, 13:22 GMT

    ODI is more important than Test Cricket, as the former is not dull.

  • Englishmanabroad on September 3, 2014, 13:21 GMT

    @Ross O'Brien>> If he was is a little better form, I would vote for Bell.

  • Englishmanabroad on September 3, 2014, 13:18 GMT

    Rob Parker: I agree with your comments, except for Pieterson. It is time to accept that Pieterson will never play for England again.

    I would replace him with Butler (need a WK anyway)

  • rkannancrown on September 3, 2014, 13:01 GMT

    There appear to be other selection issues - Bopara is dropped because he admires Tendulkar. Others, apprently, do not admire Tendulkar but they play like Boycott. England need to fix their priorities. England got rid of KP for non cricketing reasons. If I wer in ECB, I would swalow ego 7 recall KP and ask him to lead the side - this is better than allowing people like Cook, who is clearly not good enough to be in the ODI team, to play & lead the team.

  • Juiceoftheapple on September 3, 2014, 12:58 GMT

    Our strategy is also built on a medium fast pace attack, which few countries seem to have any problem flaying to the boundary. The pitches, the white balls, clear overhead conditions invite slower bowling, medium or spin. If 2 pacers can't breakthrough or slow the scoring rate, what good is 4 or 5? The current batting order that ignores aggressive hitting all rounders seems ludicrous to me given our quicks get smashed all over the park, so might as well go for the same runs but have 2 or 3 extra batsman who can win the game with the bat. Wright, Patel, Bopara, Stevens, Trego all bat up the order and can, occasionally, win games single handedly with the bat. We need to bat as deep as possible with as aggressive lower order batting as possible, look at Moeen go unfettered by pressure and expectation. With more aggressive batsman, it frees up the top order to play more shots and bat with freedom, knowing they have security of depth.

  • Gloryof96 on September 3, 2014, 12:57 GMT

    Taking on a well oiled Sri Lank next is a mistake and not great preparations for the WC if their confidence is blown to bits by a good trashing in Sri Lanka. But the England management must surely give Cook a chance in the ODI format as he proved everyone wrong about the dilapidated state of English cricket before taking on the Indians in the test format. However, white ball cricket is all together different ball game as the Indian have shown and he will surely have to step down come end of March because I really cant see this England team progressing.

  • Englishmanabroad on September 3, 2014, 12:56 GMT

    And lets not even start to talk about the bowling. In the third ODI is seemed like England "...brought a knife to a gunfight."

    The primary consequence of using a seam/pace attack was that the extra speed (80+ mph) on the delivery allowed many of the Indian defensive strokes to get through and produce singles.

    On the other hand, the slower deliveries of the Indian Spinners (50-60 mph) meant that for most of the middle overs, the English defensive strokes were easily cut off, hence stopping the scoreboard from ticking over.

  • on September 3, 2014, 12:55 GMT

    Having Cook in the ODI squad is akin to putting a square peg in a round hole. He does not belong. Moreover, he is not a natural leader. A true leader inspires confidence in his teammates, in those around him and earns their unqualified respect. Cook does not have this 'problem'.

    Over the decades, world cricket has had great natural leaders such as a Clive Lloyds, a Steve Waugh, an Imran Khan or an M.S. Dhoni who have ascended lofty heights. It would be comical to even consider Cook when referring to the above greats.

    Alas, if England are to be competitive in the 2015 WC, a new leader has to be found, and fast. The selectors have got their work cut for them. But who could that leader be? Anybody but Cook would be an improvement.

  • Englishmanabroad on September 3, 2014, 12:49 GMT

    The "accumulate then accelerate" plan seems viable on paper, but two things. 1) it only works if at least one of your top 3 is able to stay at the crease for at least 30-35 overs, with a strike rate of at least 75. And 2) Lets accept the fact that Cook is not a limited-overs player.

    We will never get anywhere when the "accumulators" are coming in to face a new ball which is <10 overs old.

    Finally, it has been pointed out, but 240 is no longer a "par-score" in 50 over cricket. In the modern game, especially against IPL players, a "defendable" score is ~275, an average score is now ~295-300, and a "good" score is ~325.

    240 only worked when the test mentality was brought to ODI's (as is the case for England). Now it seems, England have been left behind. There is not enough aggression in the England lineup, even the young bloods seem to be too tentative. It was painful to watch Butler struggling while at the other end Ali was knocking it all over the pitch.

  • Divinetouch on September 3, 2014, 12:44 GMT

    Cook's best move was he prevented Anderson from being mauled a well. In the batting powerplay he kept Anderson out of the attack knowing fully well that he would have ben thrashed too. Cook is a good friend to Anderson.

  • on September 3, 2014, 12:42 GMT

    Cook suggested it (poor performance) was more due to poor execution of skills than poor tactics.

    Like a millionaire who has all the money in the bank, but goes starving, because of his poor execution in withdrawing some of it, for his food.

  • aahahaa on September 3, 2014, 12:37 GMT

    why is a lot of people on here talking about " for Enland to win the WC" . not going to happen folks. I mean you are getting thrashed and any sensible thought would be to put up a fight leave alone winning something. England actually are in a better position than they think. they already know their weak links.. Moores and Cook and Saker is what is dragging them down. see what Ali did. get Taylor, Vince Roy, Willey, even Rashid.

  • Vinod_Fab on September 3, 2014, 12:36 GMT

    I was amazed when DADA was narrating his 30 probables for WC 2015, why can't this happen for ENG..??.. Surely they can go all the way but not with this team.. Just analyse the pool matches for ENG -- NZ,SL,Scotland,Afghan,Bangladesh,and one tough opponent AUS so expect ENG to cruise this hurdle comfortably , Now for QF they will either get PAK or WI(chances of crusing to SF looks high) then from there on it's about only 2 matches..!!. So for ECB just sit down with paper and pen,with proper selection and KP in i expect ENG to be in finals..!!..

  • SirViv1973 on September 3, 2014, 12:30 GMT

    @Playflair, Re Bopara I think the selectors have increasingly seen him as an allrounder rather than a top 5 batsman for sometime (wrongly IMO) I think there may have been a feeling that his medium pace wouldn't be very effective in Aus and that having a second spinner in that role (Ali) would be more advantagous. Perhaps It's Morgan's role that Bopara should be playing and not Ali's. I'm not saying Morgan should be dropped but his place must be in same doubt given his recent performances. Having said all that Eng won't suddenly become a good side if Bopara gets back in the problem is much deeper than that it is Eng's whole approach to the format.

  • on September 3, 2014, 12:27 GMT

    Is it totally out of the question to bring in one or more of Trott, Flintoff, Trescothick or Pietersen?? With Hales, Root and Morgan, that's a pretty powerful top 7. You can then pick 4 specialist bowlers so not bits and pieces players.

  • jmcilhinney on September 3, 2014, 12:09 GMT

    I think Cook at his best could be an asset to the England team. He's played some good innings at decent strike rates in the past. He's just not in that form at the moment though and, with all the pressure he's been under and still is under, may simply not be able to find that form again. Forcing himself to endure all this pressure and criticism in the ODI team could seriously impede his ability to recapture his best form in Tessts as well. It's quite possible that the rest of the team are suffering from the pressure on Cook too. They will want to support their captain but they can no doubt see the writing on the wall so it creates a schism in them as well. There's plenty of talent available for the England ODI team. It may not be able to coalesce into a WC-winning unit in the time remaining but the right attitude and approach could see them compete well, move in the right direction and perhaps be genuine contenders next time.

  • RajArya on September 3, 2014, 12:08 GMT

    I am a Indian supporter but I am banking on England to be in WC finals , even win it. Its all about peakin at the right. and with these humilting and humbling losses rently - it will hopefully expose the gaps and cracks tt need to be fixed.

    Of course it requires the ECB and Cook to be totally honest and do a throrough introspection and correct the current huge deficiences that are all too apparent.

  • on September 3, 2014, 12:06 GMT

    Lots are suggesting that along with Cook, Bell should get the elbow too. I went to Trent Bridge and watched him bat, his ability to work the ball around the square was plain to see, the 28 he scored was quality and apart from a very lucky throw, that could have easily turned into a big score. With a strike rate of around 76, I would favour keeping him for the time being (once he is fit again).

  • on September 3, 2014, 12:02 GMT

    cook remains captain because he wants to be captain. what kind of selection policy is that?

  • Kotuwegogoda on September 3, 2014, 11:56 GMT

    Writing may be on the wall to Cook's ability lead England to WC 2015 with this kind of leadership and mediocre performance. They need to get an energetic and dynamic leader who could lead them WC 2015 and beyond.

    The wickets set for past three matches give the readers and spectators or TV viewers that they are akin to sub-continent spin friendly. Therefore advantage handed to opposition where Spinners ran amok. It is accepted norm that wickets are set to suit home country. What happened to English seamers? Were the wickets green top or bouncy? ECB need to think about their strength and pick players and set up the pitches accordingly. I'm sure England must be missing KP. Will it be too late to patch things up and bring him back as World Cup viewers would like to see him one last time before he fades away to oblivion!

  • nlight on September 3, 2014, 11:54 GMT

    Yes, cricket's popularity in England has been in decline for a long time. Certainly the lack of free-to-air TV broadcasts must play a part. I'm not sure whether this is the case in any other cricketing nations, but I've watched cricket on TV in Australia, New Zealand & South Africa on normal TV channels.

  • luggang on September 3, 2014, 11:50 GMT

    it doesn't matter who's picked England doesn't produce either the players or coaches necessary to be good at 50 over cricket

  • on September 3, 2014, 11:35 GMT

    Playfair, I agree with all you say about Bopara, save that his bowling should be used "sparingly". He's a good middle overs bowler (as a career economy rate under 5 shows).

  • Playfair on September 3, 2014, 11:13 GMT

    How does the Selection committee justify the dropping of Bopara? During the last ODI series, all in not most cricket pundits were saying that Bopara should be batting up the order and not as a 'finisher' !! Im of the opinion that Bopara must play as a front line batsman with his bowling used sparingly.

  • IMCG67 on September 3, 2014, 11:06 GMT

    Excellent article which supports what I have believed for a long time, that whilst Alistair Cook is captain (and therefore have to find a place for him in the team), England can write off any success in ODI as the approach is dated and neglects the advances that other countries have made in their approach. The reality is that whilst you can possibly get away with one accumulator in the top 4, the other 3 have to be able to push the score along early doors, as only being about 120 at 30 overs is asking a lot of your middle order to get to 300+ and means that with the field restrictions in force for at least 15 of the 20 overs, the players batting there have to have strike rates in excess of 100 unless the top 4 are quality strikers and in my view only Hales is capable of doing that consistently. With nothing to lose in the last game I would like the top 6 to be : 1) Hales, 2) Roy, 3) Ali, 4) Taylor, 5) Morgan (Cap) 6) Buttler - Swap Vince and put Ali at 7 if not, but try something new !

  • SirViv1973 on September 3, 2014, 10:51 GMT

    Further to my previous I would also question Eng's prepartion for the WC. It's good that they have the Tri series in Aus ahead of the tournament but to me it makes little sense to play 7 ODIs in SRL. I always think 7 match series are too long anyway plus the conditions Eng will encounter in SRL will be vastly different from Aus/NZL. The pitches in SRL will no doubt turn a lot and Eng's problems against spin will be further exhasperated diminishing confidence even further. Shortly a better idea would have been for both teams to play a 4 or 5 match series on neutral turf in Aus or NZL!

  • SirViv1973 on September 3, 2014, 10:30 GMT

    We saw with the test captaincy how stuborn Cook can be. In the end he's been able to get some runs and his senior players finally came to the party which has removed the question of whether he should be leading the test side for the time being at least. The ODI captaincy is a different matter. despite an ok ave & SR there have always been doubts about Cook's suitability to open in this form of the game. When you put the ok figs with a lack of match winning/changing inns, uninspiring captaincy & the teams overal approach there appears to be an strong case for Cook to be releived of his duties as player & Captain. A rethink of Engs approach has been needed for some time but this will not come before the WC. Cook will not step down & I don't believe the selectors have the appetite for change this close to the WC. We scrape in to the QF but we will not go further than that. It's not all down to Cook though, Eng have been outplayed in every department in this series.

  • brusselslion on September 3, 2014, 10:23 GMT

    An excellent piece with a priceless line: ".. a game that had all the competitive elements of a day of seal clubbing".

    Although England were ranked #1 a couple of years ago, and CT finalists last year, at the risk of contradicting myself they have been on a downward curve for some time now. Broadly speaking, 300 is effectively the new norm for teams batting first, and England consistently fail to reach that target. Is it a lack of talent? Maybe. Is the wrong strategy being employed? Almost certainly.

    For my part, I'd write off the WC as a dead duck, play the youngsters (Roy, Taylor, Bairstow, etc.), and just give them their head.

  • jb633 on September 3, 2014, 10:21 GMT

    People in this country can say what they want about the state of cricket and I have been involved in the coaching and playing side for 15 years and I tell you the game is in serious trouble. Year on year participation rates fall as football season seems to never end and athletics grows so quickly. Cricket is just not popular or "cool" amongst our youngest generation and the ECB do nothing to appeal to the youngest kids. In 20 years at the rate we are going cricket will be such a marginalised sport I doubt it will ever make the back pages. In all fairness who can blame youngsters for not bothering with such poor weather, steep ticket prices (with terrible refund policies if rain affected) and coaches who want to coach in the middle ages. If the ECB don't get with the programme we may as well not bother. We need someone like Shane Warne to shake the whole thing up.

  • yorkshire-86 on September 3, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    The way they set up to bat is terrible. The mindset seems to be if you lose a wicket, you need to stonewall the next ten overs and start again. This just gives the initiative away - the infield will be tight and hungry slips will come in. If on the other hand you have a swing at one of your first three balls, you take the initiative back - there is no danger of getting caught as the field is in, but the opposition captain will see you wanting to swing and suddenly mid on becomes long on, the cover fielders drop ten yards giving you easy singles, and subsequent pats into cover and straight become ones rather than dots - this greatly improves your scoring rate even without hitting boundaries. As for leaving balls, this should be grounds for been dropped. If the ball is never going to hit the stumps, any one day batsmen should be looking for at least four.

  • Sachit1979 on September 3, 2014, 10:16 GMT

    They could actually ask Collingwood to come out of his retirement, make him captain for WC and bring in Pieterson back into the squad. Collingwood was the one who brought t20 glory to England once and he has enough form and fitness and loads of experience to repeat the history in ODIs too.

  • jb633 on September 3, 2014, 10:14 GMT

    We are not just bad at ODI cricket but we are a shocking outfit in all 3 formats atm. We beat a test side that couldn't care less if they win or lose. It has flattered us. I have watched a lot of county cricket this year and the standard is truly awful. I mean has anyone seen the standard of spin bowling, it has got to be the lowest in world cricket. I feel Cook is the scapegoat for issues that run far deeper in our game. Participation rates are falling, nobody is interested in the county game any more and the lack of Kolpak players is highligting the fact we are not producing quality cricketers from grass roots. I never see us producing an AB Devilliers or a Sangakarra because the system is allowing for mediocrity. Our batsmen are facing such average bowling that by the time they get to international level they are like a rabbit in the headlights. I hate to be doom and gloom but we will be garbage in all 3 formats for the next 5 years minium.

  • Somya7 on September 3, 2014, 10:00 GMT

    My Team For World Cup Would be - England has taken they are not picking up right players for the squad. Trying too many things resulting in constant failure.

    My team -

    1. Cook 2. Bell (VC) 3. Pietersen 4. Root 5. Morgon 6. Buttler (WK) 7. Bopara 8. Broad 9. Tredwell 10. Finn 11. James Anderson (C)

    Extras - 1. Owais Shah (he is best middle order player available in England after KP , Morgon. Keeping root ahead of him in final bcoz of his off spin

    2. Chris Jordon 3. Gareth Batty 4. Moeen Ali.

    Back Up Wk - Steven Davies.

    This is the real squad with all basics covered up and actually having potential to win the World Cup

  • amitlondon on September 3, 2014, 9:59 GMT

    And then they ridicule IPL...

  • on September 3, 2014, 9:57 GMT

    Moeen should come as opener as he used to do in T20s. Ravi Bopara is desperately needed.

  • CrystalBall on September 3, 2014, 9:57 GMT

    ENG had their last good WC campaign in the only WC held in AUS/NZ (1992), when they finised 2nd. But since then WC or ODIs at large, they have had hardly anything to write home about. Looking at the company they have in AUS/NZ next Feb./March, the fact that it's Scotland instead of Ireland this time should be no respite! Afganistan, Bangladesh, NZ, AUS, SL all will ensure ENG come home after first round like they did in last World Cup. The problem is ENG play all formats of Cricket like Test Matches!

  • Mikelord on September 3, 2014, 9:53 GMT

    I simply hate it when England is criticised by an Aussie, but Charlie147 is right! If the selectors refuse to remove Cook then perhaps we should start looking at the selectors!

  • Raj-UK on September 3, 2014, 9:45 GMT

    Why dont people give Bhuvi the respect he has earned himself and just dont blame the English batsmen for failing against the moving ball (as ironical as it may seem, especially in the so-called "english conditions")

  • on September 3, 2014, 9:43 GMT

    Simple question; Would Cook be selected in the England ODI team if he was not captain? What team would have him as an opener in their ODI team? (NZ? No. Bangladesh? No. Hong Kong? Maybe.)

  • shaykumar on September 3, 2014, 9:43 GMT

    This is SO OPPOSITE I remember this about MS Dhoni after the Test series finished. Crazy to think in two weeks so much has changed. I feel people are getting carried away too fast. This team reached the Champions trophy final just last year. They were ranked no 1 two years back. Its just that these pitches though their home track have been totally sub continent pitches with turn little swing and bounce. I dont think they are anywhere near the worst side in ODIs. They are just lacking one batsmen in form. Lets just say had cook, morgan, hales or root gone for a big score then England would have made 280+ then as an Indian supporter I am telling you Anderson would have ripped us apart with probably only Kohli putting up a fight. One of those batsmen just needs to believe in themselves.

  • Charlie147 on September 3, 2014, 9:27 GMT

    Pathetic cricket from the poms. Cook needs to go for sure (very over rated batsman and terrible captain) Anderson (worlds most over rated bowler) has been woeful as well.

    The England of years gone by would have steam rolled this Indian team for sure.

    Lots of headaches ahead for the ECB with a clueless coach and captain.

  • vish57 on September 3, 2014, 9:26 GMT

    Bowling of England is bad, select 4 front line bowlers not bits and pieces men. Anderson was too tired, Broad out on injury and the second string bowlers were looking mediocre. England is not at all a bad team yet the bastmen to learn to cope with spin. Let England squeeze more ODIs with SL and Pak before Aus tri series/WC.

  • on September 3, 2014, 9:14 GMT

    Too many alrounder in team ...stokes .woaks ..moen ali....you ned a specailist either bowling or betting...if your 6 batsmen can't make a runs so its worst looking from 7 and 8...allrounder is ok if you have players like kallis or watson ...allrounder have to good in one area either bowling or batting...but england allrounder can't make a run and can't take wicket...but england thinks diffrently...

  • wnwn on September 3, 2014, 9:07 GMT

    This would be a better team:

    Hales, Vince, Moeen, Taylor, Morgan (c), Samit Patel, Buttler, Bopara, Broad, Anerson, Finn.

  • crockit on September 3, 2014, 9:02 GMT

    Odd that Eng have a target on each pitch; attitude should be play positively throughout - taking into account bowling and conditions and wickets left. Cook is just not suited to the modern ODI game. Bell is not playing well and may as well be replaced by a younger man. Root and Morgan are not at their best in ODI's right now and Ballance is just settling in. Bowling wise Woakes is OK but sometimes looks like fodder, Jordan has been good but is having some issues, Guerney just OK. My team would be:

    Roy Hales Ballance Ali Morgan Bopara Buttler Jordan Broad Tredwell Anderson

    squad members Woakes and Stokes (sub Finn for one if he is bowling better) Taylor and Trott

    All the batters are positive - Trott, maybe the least but he is the best accumulator in England. The two allrounders - Bopara and Ali are batters first but as reliable as Stokes, Woakes and Jordan with the ball. The bowlers are best we have

  • on September 3, 2014, 8:51 GMT

    England need 1 day specialist captain like buttler/morgan & they badly need guys like luke wright & bopara. They also need a new fast bowling unit for odis as we have seen anderson not gud enough for shorter formats

  • on September 3, 2014, 8:47 GMT

    Any team can win the world cup....u just need to atleast beat the minnows in the group stage..than have 3 great games...d quarters , semis , nd finals.So dont rule any team out guys.

  • zoot364 on September 3, 2014, 8:46 GMT

    The most worrying issue for me is that decent players start playing badly once inside the current England ODI set-up. As individuals the current England team really are not as hopeless as their collective performance would suggest. There seems to be something so fundamentally wrong about the whole approach to ODIs that I can't see a few changes in team selection making much difference. Yes, please replace Cook - surely that is beyond argument now - but unless the culture changes, which means replacing the coaching/management team, that will be only a false dawn. Perhaps England need a foreign coach with a completely different set of ideas. But I can't see that happening in the cosy, inward looking, jobs for the boys world of the ECB.

  • MarkTaffin on September 3, 2014, 8:42 GMT

    Any reaction to drop Cook now would be knee-jerk; Morgan can't buy a score might find HIS place is in jeopardy. England won't win the WC either way, just make sure after that we pick a "proper" ODI captain. Of the batsmen selected, Bell is the one who should go, opening up a place at least for Taylor or Roy. Bopara should come back in to the squad (can't believe I'm writing that). Seam bowling is rubbish, all dependent on Jimmy and Broad. Hope Moeen can cope with the bouncy pitches in Oz...

  • ramli on September 3, 2014, 8:40 GMT

    @Abaa ... nobody can tell this so simply ... appreciate it!!! How does picking a ODI side based on T20 record hold? May be we can wait till the T20I is over???

  • sweetspot on September 3, 2014, 8:35 GMT

    It is in the very nature of England to be tough, dour, disciplined, and devoid of any fun. India on the other hand is about fun, flair, freedom and finishing the job when it comes to ODIs. The attitude comes from the IPL, and the security too. Indian players are all millionaires in not just their bank balances but in their approach to cricket. They are simply not afraid.

    English cricketers seem to want their headmasters in school grading their test performances. I'm not sure they can change as long as they think they're playing limited overs cricket at the cost of test cricket. They're holding on to values too dear in Tests but have a detrimental effect in the shorter formats.

    India have embraced the new with aplomb. This is a young India expressing itself and having fun in limited overs cricket, where all the action these days is. England are finding it difficult to let go of something.

  • whoster on September 3, 2014, 8:34 GMT

    All England fans were delighted when Alastair Cook's fortunes turned during the recent Test series, but there are no arguments for retaining him in ODI's. Cook's iron-willed stubbornness has indeed helped make him one of England's greatest Test batsmen, but there's a fine line between being stubborn and being plain stupid. England have been massacred in these recent ODI's, and I'd imagine any England fan who paid good money to watch any of these games will be pretty angry. It's one thing lose, but it's quite another for them not to have been in the contest at any stage.

    If Cook doesn't resign from the ODI side, then Peter Moores will have to make the decision for him.

    Earlier in the summer, Matt Prior showed commendable dignity by dropping himself from the Test side. With Peter Moores being an ex-keeper, he should've known more than anyone that Prior wasn't fit - but he lacked the ruthlessness to take the decision.

  • Vinod_Fab on September 3, 2014, 8:21 GMT

    May be ENG doesn't worries about WC but we all worry and really from bottom of the heart we want ENG to do well..!!. Things to be addressed/needs consideration-- Fast outfields,Big Crowds,Pressure Games,Not so competitive Opponents,Hunger to do well in AUS after ashes humiliation,Exciting cricket,and off course WC.. So here is my team which matches closely to these considerations , Hales,Roy,Bell,KP,Morgan,Butler,Woakes,Tredwell,Finn,Jimmy,Broad(my XI) plus 4(Root,Gurney,Taylor,Onions) So 2 power hitters at top , 2 well experienced players in middle ,Morgan to consolidate and butler to attack..!!.. ENGLAND pls dig ur ego and bring back KP(don't compare T20's to ODI's). Give him one chance for what he gave to ENG

  • Hatter_Mad on September 3, 2014, 8:04 GMT

    I wouldn't panic just yet. Many of these players have shown their quality at ODI level before and you could argue that India rested their playes during the Test series. If the umpire hadn't given a ridculous LBW against Buttler (who would have been the player to boost the run rate in the death overs) then India would have had a harder task.

    The bowling is a concern but those guys nee to get their heads straight.

  • jackiethepen on September 3, 2014, 7:54 GMT

    Why wasn't this being said a year ago when Flower was undermining Giles's management of the ODI side by 'resting' players for a whole Series? Butcher is right about 'attitude' but no one was questioning that attitude when Flower was still in charge of the Test side and making his role priority at all times. Flower is now in charge of the Lions. This is the same Lions made so much of by fans at the moment as the ones with the 'right attitude' who lost to New Zealand A. Robson was the star of the Lions side in the autumn and he can't buy a run in Test cricket. The attitude of the fans is mindless. Our currently vaunted players in the t20 side lost to Holland which is more humiliating that losing to the current world 50 over champions. Yet these are the saviours apparently while the whole ODI side gets the boot because of poor management and even poorer captaincy. Yet the latter are the untouchables. Now that is what I call an "attitude" problem. It was the same in the Ashes.

  • dunger.bob on September 3, 2014, 7:52 GMT

    @ Mickey Cricket: It's hard to believe that any team wouldn't want to win the World Cup. My own particular country is a die hard Test playing nation but we want to win it as much, if not more, than any one. .. I refuse to believe that deep down the English couldn't care less about winning that very prestigious event. It's just that they don't see to have a clue, at this stage anyway, of how to go about achieving that. Their fans have the right idea, ATTACK for god's sake, but their selectors seem to be walking with the dinosaurs.

  • on September 3, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    Cook is not dynamic enough as an ODI captain (I am still not convinced of his ability in the test arena, but that's a whole different discussion). Batting is turgid, Anderson doesn't need to play ODI's, it's widely accepted that the white ball is not a massive swinger, so why play your leading swing bowler. Illogical team selection and ancient tactics are all of the Captain's and administrators making.

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on September 3, 2014, 7:42 GMT

    What would life be without a healthy dose of self-delusion?

    The "we don't care about ODI's" brigade are the same ones who will think it is a great format at the first sign of some form and a win. Also, the management, players nd commentators insisting that there is "no-one else but Cook for captain" will be the first to say "Alastair who?" and "all hail the new chief" when he is eventually replaced.

  • Jammynem on September 3, 2014, 7:38 GMT

    There is not 1 reason, why was are so bad at the moment there are several and it starts with the management. This whole 'Cook is our man and we'll build the side around him' attitude is wrong for everyone, especially Cook - imagine having to carry that around with you? Pressure? I'd say. And what about the effect it has on the other players? Secondly it really is the selection. Cook does not get in the team on form alone, and at the moment neither does Morgan, nor Bell nor Jimmy. The selectors say they can never drop all these players as they would then have no experience in the team, but I would argue - experience of what? The way the game used to be played? Things have moved on, since the changes to only having 4 outside the ring. England haven't. We still seem to use stats from before the rule changes. And if having all that experience means we can't get past 230 then whats the point anyway? Mooen showed the way yesterday, get the kids in!!!

  • on September 3, 2014, 7:25 GMT

    Man shouldn't even be in the ODI squad. Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere that they have persisted with Cook for so long who knows diddly squat about Captaining on a Cricket field.

  • DizzD on September 3, 2014, 7:25 GMT

    You can't just blame cook, he's just a one person. Whole top order issue need to be addressed. Wonder what Kevin pieterson would bring had he selected. At least it will give sleepless nights to the Indian think tank s and bowlers. England made a mistake and now by not correcting it, damaging whole bunch of players carriers. Cook, bell, morgan gonna be a scapegoats of english management problem.

  • TheOnlyEmperor on September 3, 2014, 7:22 GMT

    To be fair, had England touched the magic figure of 239, they would've had a 72% chance of winning! That's what England has been aiming for but unfortunately didn't get there. It's just a matter of time before they do... and give themselves a 72% chance of winning a game!

  • Abaa on September 3, 2014, 7:17 GMT

    India is picking its test side based on its ODI exploits and thus struggling in tests. England is picking its ODI side based on its test performances and thus getting humiliated. It is not really rocket science is it? And yet the selectors of both these countries continue to keep their well paid jobs

  • on September 3, 2014, 7:17 GMT

    I don't think this is such a devastating loss for England . England don't care about ODI victories or world cups. Cook came out and said the right things at the press conference but they don't really feel affected by the loss.. Jimmy anderson for example is not bothered about the World Cup .. He is already planning for the next ashes. Because in England that's all that matters.

  • Sinha_le on September 3, 2014, 7:07 GMT

    This is absurd cricket from England.. What is this captain doing.. Holding onto the captaincy. Let us wait and see who will become the fall guy for thus debacle. Last time they got Peitersen out. And everyone was happy saying the problem person is out and the dressing room attitude it great. The common factor here is Cook. He is the defining factor that drags the team down.. England lost to Sri Lanka and now to India .. Time to go.. Let people who has leadership qualities take over..

  • Craftsman on September 3, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    hehe..... World's most skillful bowler at the bottom of stats table in this series :-)

  • BHAGWAN-XI on September 3, 2014, 7:03 GMT

    It think, ICC should sent this team to "ICC qualify round for WC2015", first and if they qualify to beat other team, And I think this is also very poor chances for this team. So what is the reason for this condition. Eng have much better player before a year, now what happen. If cook can play with his very very poor form and lead the team and they have lost last 5 ODI series, what is wrong with KP,TROTT, SWAN and other players. After Ashes win at home they should be plan for WC2015 and build the team. But lost in Australia they have decided that these all player are responsible and they are finished. Now they also call to these player and can plan for WC for nest six month. KP and Trott is very good player for ODI's.

  • Varun_Khaitan on September 3, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    can somebody please update me where have these guys disappeared: 1. Ravi Bopara 2. Luke Wright 3. Kysweitter England badly need players who can just go out there and express themselves both with the bat and ball. Moeen Ali gave a good example as to how the approach should have been, selectors should get the message out of it. Wake up England.

  • VillageBlacksmith on September 3, 2014, 6:35 GMT

    All the chat about his captaincy is irrelevant... Cook should be nowhere near the Odi team. Neither should Bell or Morgan. Or Anderson. Jimmy doesn't really need to do Odi cricket. What a breath of fresh air Ali was and it has taken the selectors all this (losing) time to get him in. Pick the best 11 Odi players then pick the Capt. And Morgan Bel & Cook are not in that group. Like the test side, the new guys are coming in and "doing it". And so let's get the new guys in. Does that mean coaches as well? Saker's position would seem to be very precarious at the mo.

  • InternationalCricketFollower on September 3, 2014, 6:05 GMT

    England should work on this this batting line up lead up to the world cup:

    1) Cook 2) Buttler 3) Ballance 4) Bell 5) Morgan 6) Ali 7) Bopara 8) Broad 9) Jordan 10) Anderson 11) Tredwell

    If they mix it up abit, they might have a chance.

  • on September 3, 2014, 5:52 GMT

    Its because of Cook's attitude and ego that England is suffering. He has had problems with all the players who have performed well for England in past. Once he is shown the door they can appoint a new leader in Bell or Morgan who in turn can revive their fortunes.

  • landl47 on September 3, 2014, 5:47 GMT

    So Swann was right and England has lost the plot. I don't believe there's anything wrong with the level of talent among the England players, both those in this series and others who haven't yet been given a chance. They're simply playing to a formula which isn't going to win matches against good ODI sides.

    ODIs aren't my favorite format even when they're played well. They're a bit better than the mindless flailing of T20s, but not much. However, when they're played badly they're agony to watch. Surely the selectors can't find this hard to understand?

  • on September 3, 2014, 5:38 GMT

    When it comes to ODI current Indian team is capable of doing well in upcoming WC 2015. Please everybody, don't go by India's test record. ODI is dif ball game and suits current attacking and less patient Indian team players. Rahane at top is very good option. Just bring Manoj tiwary, Irfan as back up players, give chance to somebody like Umesh Yadav & Unadkat for back up option. India could do wonder at WC 2015. After all no team consistent in ODI as of now., And one bad day can send any formidable team out of WC.!!!

  • Sal0891 on September 3, 2014, 5:30 GMT

    You guys don't have a respect Ind is doing well here. Bcoz, Eng is as like Ban as you say. But in shorter format Ind is as good as Aus or SA. The New Ind had a poor series in SA and Nz and with the Same team did well in WCT20 was all one sided games until SL defeat them in that final. I am true that they are worthless in tests but in shorter format is different and they know how to play.The other teams major points is that Aus conditions is not suitable for Ind. They are going to learn that in that upcoming Aus Series and they pretty much understand the Nz conditions as of now. They will get the full swing by ending this tour and get some knowledge with the spin department in home against WI and will go to Aus to show some Magic in tri series. Better watch out and decide.

  • pandian_ikku on September 3, 2014, 4:51 GMT

    If England can not beat this Indian side(Who couldn't win a single match against any good team except Bangladesh and Afghanistan in 2014), I don't think England even should bother to send a team to world cup. They'll get beaten by minor teams for sure.

  • newrichhater on September 3, 2014, 4:39 GMT

    What is shown by this one sided series between India and England is that this world cup is going to be a very poor contest. Wickets favoring them South Africa and Australia will dominate. This could very well be SA's turn to win the cup given Australia's inconsistency.

  • sal7 on September 3, 2014, 4:35 GMT

    Now why would you drag "Climate Change" into cricket? NO ONE in their right mind can deny climate change. Climate Change is NORMAL. The climate is SUPPOSED to, no, HAS to change, because the universe, of which our planet is an infinitesimally small part, is in a constant state of flux. Nothing will stay the same, not us, not the planet, not the sun, and certainly not the climate. What is being denied by people who are being pejoratively labelled as "Deniers", is anthropogenic climate change. To quote Carlin- "The planet's been here for 4.5 billion years. We've only been engaged in heavy industry for about 200 years. 200 years vs 4.5 BILLION years. Planet's been through a lot worse than us, for a long time."

  • on September 3, 2014, 3:24 GMT

    I see this Indian victory against England as Bangladesh winning against Zimbabwe. Both India and England will not make it to the second round. I can also see the Indian fans jumping too early without a bowl being bowled in the Australian tour. lets see how team India fares when the odi tri series will happen in Australia. Rahane is a find at the top, dhawan is a gamble. we need an aggressor with a no fear attitude like sehwag partnering rahane not a sleeping looking rohit or a doubtful dhawan.

  • Siva_Bala75 on September 3, 2014, 3:23 GMT

    Hales, Wright, Pietersen, Morgan, Bopara, Moeen Ali, Buttler, Broad, Anderson plus 2 quality seamers (not all rounders). This is England's only chance and hope!

  • on September 3, 2014, 3:23 GMT

    Trott ? Seriously ? England's ODI team would improve with Trott as much as India's will improve with Pujara. This is another harebrained idea ! England needs batsmen with Intent and fast bowlers who don't bowl length and they need Tredwell. The person whose idea it was to drop Tredwell to include Gurney should be pensioned immediately.

  • on September 3, 2014, 3:11 GMT

    I see this Indian victory against England as Bangladesh winning against Zimbabwe. Both India and England will not make it to the second round. I can also see the Indian fans jumping too early without a bowl being bowled in the Australian tour. lets see how team India fares when the odi tri series will happen in Australia. Rahane is a find at the top, dhawan is a gamble. we need an aggressor with a no fear attitude like sehwag partnering rahane not a sleeping looking rohit or a doubtful dhawan.

  • Ajberpukkatupady on September 3, 2014, 2:24 GMT

    English blunder was clear by the innings of Moon Ali.. Why on earth they dropped him for the first two matches.. Hales,Moon,Bell,Root,Morgan,Joe are the only eligible players...

  • on September 3, 2014, 1:45 GMT

    KP should be brought back to the team ASAP.

  • Zahidsaltin on September 3, 2014, 1:41 GMT

    Bring back KP as captain of OD team and fire Cook.

  • Patchmaster on September 3, 2014, 1:38 GMT

    We need new selectors. The latest team is living proof that the selectors are the ones responsible, the fact that they thought Cook would be an 'inspirational' leader, is ludicrous. Sure, there is some positives, and Butler, Ballance, Hales etc, should stay in the team and are the future. But why are we bowling Anderson into the ground in ODI's ? Broad is also injury prone and should be saved for test matches surely ?! Bring in Roy and Taylor etc, and let Guerney have a fair crack. Lyth also needs to be brought in, because he is a batsman who can play both ODI and test matches, much like Warner, but potentially better !

  • on September 3, 2014, 1:24 GMT

    A Hales M Ali J Troot K Pieterson J Root E Morgan ( c ) J Buttler C Wokes S Broad J Anderson S Finn

    This line up England can try for the World Cup where they have 5 good bowlers. Then they can find some overs from ( Root, Troot, K Pieterson )

  • on September 3, 2014, 1:13 GMT

    bring back KP,

  • Sexysteven on September 3, 2014, 1:11 GMT

    England have only themselves to blame for the mess they are in these odis are meant to be preparation for the World Cup finding the right combinations but by sticking to same old combinations ain't doing the job for England it's almost getting to late to try to many things but mind they might as well try diff things cos sticking to the same old tactics n team they are pretty much guaranteed to fail at the cricket World Cup it's at the point where doing something is better doing nothing it might not work but sticking to the same old things ain't working so there's nothing to lose now

  • Javed_17 on September 3, 2014, 1:10 GMT

    @Nutcutlet hit the nail on the head there. England play ODI Cricket with such a guarded approach. Test cricket it would mean drawing the test but in ODI cricket the mindset needs to be aggressive. I agree that all guns blazing may mean your ship sinks faster but comparing to teams like south africa and australia which have reasonably good teams there are a bunch of game changing batsmen and a few batsmen to hold the innings. On the other hand england have batsmen which seek to mainly hold the innings together yet fail miserably and the likes of morgan and butler are simply to few in the squad

  • on September 3, 2014, 0:51 GMT

    One of the most baffling things of this ODI series is the kind of wickets that ECB has dished out to India. After the Test series, it was very clear that England would thrive when the pitches had some pace & bounce, and made early inroads on the Indian opening pair. Despite knowing this, ECB prepares turning & slow tracks? WHY???? If it's got to do with "prep" for WC 2015, that doesn't make sense either. The next WC is in Australia/NZ and not in the subcontinent. The only plausible explanation could be related to top-3 powers and viewership ratings that bring revenue!!

  • Sgtm1993 on September 3, 2014, 0:40 GMT

    There has been lots of criticism in the recent past about cook's performance and rightly so. However, i don't believe he's done and dusted yet. England at the moment they've got it horribly wrong in regards to the batting position. Open with Butler and Hales, and have morgan come in at number 3. They like to play aerial shots and hit the ball hard and with only 2 fielders outside in the first 10, 15 overs..they'll be able to do just that. You can then have cook come in at 4. He can't hit boundaries but at this time because of the fielders outside the circle..he wouldn't need to and he would able to rotate strikes and not consume mqny dot balls. I would have root come after this as he can do the same and stablize the innings. Moen ali can be aggresive and defensive so have him come at 6. Number 8 is broad, 9 any of the third seemer, 10 anderson, 11 tredwell. Just have to find a vacant number 7 position. Big hitting allrounder like bopara but someone who finishes the game too like huss..

  • Cpt.Meanster on September 3, 2014, 0:12 GMT

    As happy as I am with India's crushing victory, I also feel bad for the English fans. They deserve much better than this mediocrity. If people can remember, the last time the world cup was held in Aus-NZ, England reached the finals. They have a fair shot of winning their first ever world cup in 50 over cricket IF they can get their attitude right. Ashes this, Ashes that... it has to stop. Sure, enjoy your test cricket when you have the opportunity to do so but limited overs cricket is the big deal. You only get the chance to win world cups in limited overs cricket. It's time England pay the respect that ODIs deserve. Otherwise, they will be flattened at the world cup.

  • Boof_for_Prez on September 2, 2014, 23:29 GMT

    @neil99 Actually I agree with Cook & Moores, England are playing an "exiting" brand of cricket.

    (If they keep this up, they'll be shown the exit - right at the end of the WC group stage!)

  • Old_Legend on September 2, 2014, 23:20 GMT

    People may disagree with me but Cook need o go. He is Holding back the Whole Team. ECB Need to be tougher. They may keep Cook as a Test captain but for ODI, they need to choose different person..

  • on September 2, 2014, 23:20 GMT

    Trott? seriously? He was absolutely awful during the last world cup and his slow and lacklustre batting contributed immensely in their loss to Sri Lanka.

  • on September 2, 2014, 22:42 GMT

    How woeful England are.

    Most of the players playing NEVER played a List A 50 over game for their first class sides until 2014 - 2 of them have never played a list A 50 over game in their life!. If We don't even play 50 over cricket domestically! How can we expect to win? You don't tend to win a sport you don't even play!

    England have been poor for over 20 years at ODI's. The 91'92 WC was the last hurrah when they reached the final having reached the semi 4 years previously. In the 1996 WC - Neil Smith (the then England off spinner) was sick on the pitch - it was an omen of what England would be like for the next 20 years.

    It's too late now. Any young blood bought in will barely have 10 caps before the WC starts - and that's just not enough. Rather than being them on, it will likely destroy them.

    England are woeful at any time where the game dictates 5 runs an over are required for long periods. Fine below 4 - terrible above 5 - been like that for 20 years and nothing changes.

  • Herath-UK on September 2, 2014, 22:15 GMT

    It is soon going to be six ODI series loss when England go to Sri Lanka in November ,the team who swept the board here in the early summer. The real problem I think is there s no stand out captain in the squad to replace Cook, be Bell, Morgan or Broad ,form or injuries rule them out.

  • on September 2, 2014, 22:13 GMT

    Well what do you expect of a squad filled with slow scorers

  • Jonathan_E on September 2, 2014, 21:51 GMT

    Pietersen has hardly played any cricket this year, and what little he has played, he's been bloody awful. He is not worth his place in a county side on form at the moment, even in ODIs or 20/20s (and has not even been trying to play full-length first-class cricket): so how can he possibly be The Answer for any England side right now?

    Go back to basics. Select players on form. Make all of them, even the best of them, the ones whose international places are totally secure, play for their counties in between test matches: if they get injured playing for their county, then so be it - stamina is an important part of fitness.

    PLAY to stay fit. BAT to stay fit. BOWL to stay fit. If you're tired at the end of a season, you're not fit enough.

    And, when playing: If international players are playing well, keep them. If badly, drop them and select replacements on form, from the counties. No playing = no form (PIETERSEN TAKE NOTE) = no selection.

  • on September 2, 2014, 21:47 GMT

    Thanks for making India look so good....this is a refresher after the royal thrashings in NZ and SA. My fave for the worldcup - NZ followed by SL. India and Aus are big ticket tournament teams and might just win.South Africa will look un beatable in the beggining but will fizzle out to the top 4....Pak /Eng/WI - sorry guys i dont see much meat in you

  • bobmartin on September 2, 2014, 21:43 GMT

    Four things for sure need to be jettisoned in the current England ODI set-up.. Moores.. Cook.... Bell and most importantly... plans.. We're forever hearing about things not going to plan... we've planned for every eventuality... we have plans for various members of the opposition... etc... etc.... etc.. ODI cricket is a game that needs people who can think on their feet... adapt to changing situations.....use their initiative...and take the game by the scruff of the neck when the opportunity presents itself... We DO NOT need people who adhere rigidly to plans.. We might as well field 11 pre-programmed robots.

  • PACERONE on September 2, 2014, 21:25 GMT

    Cook has established himself when there were other batsmen in the team that teams worried more about.Since those batsmen left he has had the spotlight on him and he has failed miserably. His weaknesses have been exploited and success has been gained.ECB will be looking to implement some new rule to help England.Maybe bowl underhand after 10 overs .LOL

  • Sudhir65 on September 2, 2014, 21:24 GMT

    Same teams but different formats and the results have flipped. India were horrible in Tests against same team but England have returned the favor in ODIs. How is this possible?

  • D.S.A on September 2, 2014, 21:23 GMT

    England's best XI for odi's, based on potential: 1. Varun Chopra (captain), 2. Michael Carberry, 3. James Vince, 4. Ravinder Singh Bopara, 5. Eoin Morgan, 6. Jos Buttler, 7. Samit Patel, 8. Chris Jordan, 9. Steven Finn, 10. James Tredwell, 11. Graham Onions. In order of preference for replacements in certain positions: Hales as a reserve opener, Ali / Taylor / Ballance as number 3's, Taylor / Ali as number 5's, Ali as a reserve number 7, Woakes / Stokes as number 8's, Panesar as a reserve specialist spinner, not sure about legitimate reserve fast bowlers in odi's for england. There is potential, but the selectors will not tap into it without offsetting it with a mistake, e.g. a Hales-like figure in, to pacify the general public, and Bopara out, to maintain the number of 'solid' batsmen in the team.

  • Nutcutlet on September 2, 2014, 20:48 GMT

    Here, a team that would do better than the current miserable crop: Hales, Roy, James Taylor, Bairstow, Ali, Buttler, Darrren Stevens/ Peter Trego Tredwell, Batty, Sidebottom & Fletcher. What's not to like? Now the captain -- James Taylor. Feisty, professional -- a side that would not go gentle into the good night without a darned good fight. Actually, I love the idea of Trego & Batty on the same side! It's not short of character, or characters, is it? Average age? Who gives a toss! These are men you'd want beside you in the trenches!

  • alray on September 2, 2014, 20:36 GMT

    The problem starts at the grass root level - junior set up. Many county cricket board programmes have no formal training sessions. The so called junior coaches in the county programmes consider themselves as selectors only, exercising their nepotistic and discriminatory skills more often than their sporting ones. Unless the county cricket boards, i.e. ECB demands more accountability and transparency more rigidly from these personnel, the worse for English cricket is probably still to come. The junior cricket development programmes have changed for good, with time - but not the attitude of those running them on a daily basis.

  • on September 2, 2014, 20:19 GMT

    Please bring back Kevin Pietersen, England needs him, Cricket needs him, Fans need him.

  • Third_slip on September 2, 2014, 20:16 GMT

    Mark Butcher makes some interesting points about England's whole attitude towards limited overs cricket. Any sort of high ranking or trophy success has been by accident rather than design. But where I agree with him most is him saying ODI's are an afterthought for England. In fact everything for England is an afterthought or preparation for The Ashes. England has a 1950's attitude to cricket when the Ashes meant everything and nothing else mattered. Those in the English hierarchy should be talking of becoming world No.1 in all formats and then staying not just being content with winning the Ashes. After all the great West Indian and Aussie sides where great in both tests and ODI's. The Ashes is not a measure of how good you are, your ranking is!

  • Chris_P on September 2, 2014, 20:08 GMT

    The question that needs to be answered is, have English selectors got the spine to do the job best for the team? It was 12 years ago that the Australian selectors made the decision to drop a national icon in Steve Waugh amidst plenty of howls of protests, but the selectors were looking forward. Andrew Symonds had yet to confirm his position yet he showed in that WC what a matchwinner he could be. TOugh decisions need to be made, Graeme Swann, to me anyway, represents the sort of thinking England needs to step forward, I really hope he is the mix at some point in the future. That is how you should be thinking and acting.

  • Front_foot_cyber_bully_aka_Milepost on September 2, 2014, 20:08 GMT

    Cook & Moores are clueless. Since this pair cane together promising "an exiting brand of cricket" England have gone backwards at a pace in all formats.

    Where is the accountability? Are captain and coach able to wash their hands of shoddy, hapless and pathetic performances time and time again? At least Bell has been removed from the side, now Cook needs to follow swiftly along with Anderson.

    If Cook is to captain the test side, and unfortunately it looks that way, he needs to stay fresh for test cricket. Persisting with one paced batsmen, who have strike rates in the 70s is prehistoric. Come on Moores, deliver what you promised.

  • Nutcutlet on September 2, 2014, 20:02 GMT

    No matter how loud or large the chorus, Eng fans had better get used to it - Cook's staying put - & that seals the miserable & humiliating fate that awaits Cook & the team in Australasia early next year. He is the selectors' man; they have nailed their colours to his wobbly mast. And, as George makes clear, there is no ready way forward. We can all shout for our favourites, & some may appear, but that's not going to make a significant difference. The Eng culture to ODI cricket is dated, dead. No one else plays in the same meandering vein as Eng. No one. What to do, then? Identify ODI/T20 specialists. There are heaps round the country. These are *not* your Test players; these are players that have a simple & striaghtforward attitude. See ball - hit ball. Bowl yorkers at will (Fletcher at Notts can do this).Canny spinners (Tredders, e.g.), etc. At the top, a capt who's proactive, unafraid, bold. If the ship goes down, it goes down guns blazing. We've had enough of this whimpish cricket.

  • CodandChips on September 2, 2014, 19:46 GMT

    Also be aware that some people put too much focus on batting as being England's problem. But when England were a successful ODI side, the bowlers played an integral part. England need to find death bowlers. They also need to find a strike bowler who can break partnerships.

    Perhaps Jordan or Broad will be that strike bowler. Perhaps Gurney will be the death bowler. But whatever happens the current bowling is inadequate.

    Also worth noting that England got a bit lucky during the champions trophy. Beat Australia when they were at a serous low point. Beat New Zealand in a very close reduced game (thanks to a dubious no-ball incident involving Stuart Broad) and the annihilation by Sri Lanka. Of course England were outstanding vs South Africa and should have beaten India but choked.

    I wonder how critical the champions trophy was in the decline? Of course England lost 3/4 previous series, but many players were rested during these. Do players carry mental baggage in ODIs from that final?

  • CodandChips on September 2, 2014, 19:40 GMT

    When I criticised England's batting lineup before this series is wasn't just over the tactics. It was also due to general lack of runs.

    When did Cook and Bell last score hundreds? When have either last batted 30 overs? For guys supposed to bat through, they aren't really doing that, for whatever reason.

    Another issue is that you don't want Cook and Bell batting too long as they at times seem unwilling/unable to up the tempo. Compare to the likes of Guptill, Amla, Finch, Dilshan, Sangakarra etc who after batting for a while go through the gears naturally.

    Trott consistently scored runs. Trott upped the tempo while batting through (perhaps not so much in his early days). Trott was a vital cog in the England ODI machine, partly because they couldn't settle on an opening combination.

    Is it worth noting that in West Indies, when England scored actually won, the opening combination scored runs, and at a reasonable pace.

  • cloudmess on September 2, 2014, 19:39 GMT

    Forget even Alistair Cook. It's very simple - England can only start rebuilding for the future once they get rid of Peter Moores. Tragically it's going to take another year of mediocrity before the media and fans start to realise where the weak-link really lies.

  • coldcoffee123 on September 2, 2014, 19:39 GMT

    "Use the 1 day team for more explosive players..." Are u kidding? It is exactly those type of bits-n-pieces good-for-nothing "explosive" players that have ruined the England squad. 50 overs is a lot of batting and bowling, unlike T20. And requires technically sound players to last 7 hours on the field. The present England squad can not play more than 20 overs. It is time to get the specialist bowlers and batsmen in the squad. Monty, Prior, KP are gems. The entire cricketing world can see that, but England.

  • on September 2, 2014, 19:35 GMT

    I personally think the way cook bats is like an out of form test player who is in the crease with the belief he needs to stay there for as long as possible runs will come on thier own. No cook it is not like that u need to work for it. I believe bringing some explosive batsmen from the domestic leagues will certainly change this.

  • on September 2, 2014, 19:32 GMT

    If we had an in form Cook who could score a 100 off 120 balls and be that man to bat through the innings then his place as Captain wouldn't be under threat,problem is he's woefully out of form and can hardly hit the ball off the square. As mentioned by Swann who played recently it's the out dated way of playing that's at the heart of this,I actually think the line up of batsmen is a talented one but I'm not sure how much licence they are given to play as they would for their respective counties.

    It has to be down to team orders or genuine fear of getting dropped why batsmen like Root,ballance ect play so differently for England. I believe Trescothick was one of the best in both formats in that he always played positive,scared bowlers and won matches with his hundreds,he wasn't picked on stats and numbers by the way,Fletcher picked him on his temperament. India played careful for a few overs and then hit the ball with intent,it looked forced and risky when Eng did it.

  • on September 2, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    England should have separate teams for odi and tests. Dont know player like Ravi bopara how lost his place!. something wrong in england selection policy.

  • linjfan on September 2, 2014, 19:24 GMT

    The website froze in the midst of my previous comments so here we go again. Mick Newell was in the pot for England coach and was rejected in favour of abysmal failure Moores. However, it is worth noting the number of talented players that Mick has nurtured. Notts may not have won anything yet but they have a good team. Why did we drop Samit Patel, who is very bright and useful? And Ravi Bopara is canny in ODIs. I despair of the ECB, I really do.

  • on September 2, 2014, 19:16 GMT

    I feel that Cook is still Englan'd best bet. Only 1-2 batsman on top can change things drastically. Not a world cup winning team but still a good team...For a world cup winning team you should ideally have 11 weapons of various uses in your arsenal. Sadly most teams are not at this point yet and South Africa looks closer than most teams at this point of time. Pakistan and South Africa have best chances in Australia followed up by India Pak and australia itself.

  • philipg33 on September 2, 2014, 19:16 GMT

    If The ECB really wanted to win this World Cup or even just pose a reasonable challenge they would have to face the obvious. Sack cook and bring in Kevin Pietersen as ODI captain Drop Cook and Drop Bell Build the Odi order around Trott and Pietersen and Butler. Ali and Hales and Taylor and Roy to make up the top seven. Its a no brainer and if the selectors won't make the change someone should sack them The ECB is loosing English cricket hordes of supporters and they will lose a lot of credibility if they stick to this ridiculous backing of Cook.

    Its more stupid than when Gooch dropped Gower. Which he said he regretted a couple of years later, but once it was too late for Gower. Its not too late for Kevin Pietersen

  • Vaughanographic on September 2, 2014, 19:12 GMT

    England I reckon is.. almost there. I think a 5 bowler strategy is a bit flawed. I reckon 6 batsmen, 2 or 3 of which can bowl - is the answer.

    Hales "Another opener" (maybe Ballance as an opener? Maybe Lyth?) Bopara (can bowl) Morgan / Taylor /Root Roy (can bowl a bit and smash it a bit) Patel / Ali (can bowl) Butler Anderson Tredwell Broad/Woakes An other

    The problem is that domestically there don't seem to be any bowlers REALLY doing well in one day cricket so their attack has a few problems. I also think the current batting lineup feels under pressure to score quickly. With natural fast scores like Bopara, Roy, Patel/Ali, Hales/Butler, the remaining players will be more relaxed to play their natural game

  • on September 2, 2014, 19:07 GMT

    Although I myself believe Cook is not the only one to blame for.. but I am loving every inch of the criticism directed at him.. England won in Test Series without playing spectacularly but for the Indian team's failures and Dhoni's lack of Test leadership... and sadly loss of form of Kohli.. We will see them very very well in Australia and would love Australia drubbing Eng again and badly too..!!!

  • on September 2, 2014, 19:01 GMT

    what about anderson,,,didn't he described as the most skillful bowler few days back,,, what happens to him in odi series, he hasn't taken a wicket, let alone stopping runs. he is one of the main reasons england is a flop.

  • Rooboy on September 2, 2014, 18:54 GMT

    Hope cook doesn't read this, otherwise we'll have to hear of him whining about another commentator stating facts. Not sure of the relevance of mentioning that Tait played in the 2011 ODI series either. He bowled 23 overs for the whole 7 match series, going at about 6 runs per. He was a spent force and was a help to the batters who faced him, not a hinderance

  • Batmanian on September 2, 2014, 18:47 GMT

    It's an interesting one. Dhoni did such a good job of not seeming to care that he captained his country to disaster in the Tests, that it was hard to get a clear reading over whether Cook's captaincy in the long form is secure. Seems a bit alarmist to worry about a one day series in England, when the the WC is in Australia and NZ. They say Morgan has a cricket brain - while we know that Cook doesn't, is it worth turfing him? You never know what kind of stodginess is going to useful on the big grounds in Australia.

  • Rajdeepgupta on September 2, 2014, 18:41 GMT

    Spot on Dobell. Cook needs to go and England should think ahead.

  • CricketChat on September 2, 2014, 18:37 GMT

    Agreed, Cook's place in the ODI side is questionable. These are the same players who repeatedly thrashed Ind in test series that are found wanting now. Adding to that Morgan and Finn seem to be out of touch having not played internationals in the past couple of months. Yes, it is high time to have a pool of settled players to form the core for WC. I don't think Cook should be part of it based on what we saw from him this year.

  • hhillbumper on September 2, 2014, 18:30 GMT

    Cook needs to go. Use the 1 day team for more explosive players. Bat aggressively in opening overs. But Mora than anything please pick james Taylor. He is pure gold dust and fir him not be in the England team is just stupid. He ain't Pietersen little brother is he

  • Coolcapricorn on September 2, 2014, 18:30 GMT

    Cook is simply not good enough as an ODI player but don't think the selectors have the guts to drop him. Maybe they think if they persist with him long enough, it'll eventually turn around and come right as it did in the Test arena this summer.

  • on September 2, 2014, 18:18 GMT

    As much as criticism is directed towards cook u all got to admit even others are'nt helping the cause, I man look at Bell root morgan butler no one is actually performing thier roles and blaming cook and sacking him is not going to solve the problem at al, maybe thats my opinion!!

  • on September 2, 2014, 18:18 GMT

    As much as criticism is directed towards cook u all got to admit even others are'nt helping the cause, I man look at Bell root morgan butler no one is actually performing thier roles and blaming cook and sacking him is not going to solve the problem at al, maybe thats my opinion!!

  • Coolcapricorn on September 2, 2014, 18:30 GMT

    Cook is simply not good enough as an ODI player but don't think the selectors have the guts to drop him. Maybe they think if they persist with him long enough, it'll eventually turn around and come right as it did in the Test arena this summer.

  • hhillbumper on September 2, 2014, 18:30 GMT

    Cook needs to go. Use the 1 day team for more explosive players. Bat aggressively in opening overs. But Mora than anything please pick james Taylor. He is pure gold dust and fir him not be in the England team is just stupid. He ain't Pietersen little brother is he

  • CricketChat on September 2, 2014, 18:37 GMT

    Agreed, Cook's place in the ODI side is questionable. These are the same players who repeatedly thrashed Ind in test series that are found wanting now. Adding to that Morgan and Finn seem to be out of touch having not played internationals in the past couple of months. Yes, it is high time to have a pool of settled players to form the core for WC. I don't think Cook should be part of it based on what we saw from him this year.

  • Rajdeepgupta on September 2, 2014, 18:41 GMT

    Spot on Dobell. Cook needs to go and England should think ahead.

  • Batmanian on September 2, 2014, 18:47 GMT

    It's an interesting one. Dhoni did such a good job of not seeming to care that he captained his country to disaster in the Tests, that it was hard to get a clear reading over whether Cook's captaincy in the long form is secure. Seems a bit alarmist to worry about a one day series in England, when the the WC is in Australia and NZ. They say Morgan has a cricket brain - while we know that Cook doesn't, is it worth turfing him? You never know what kind of stodginess is going to useful on the big grounds in Australia.

  • Rooboy on September 2, 2014, 18:54 GMT

    Hope cook doesn't read this, otherwise we'll have to hear of him whining about another commentator stating facts. Not sure of the relevance of mentioning that Tait played in the 2011 ODI series either. He bowled 23 overs for the whole 7 match series, going at about 6 runs per. He was a spent force and was a help to the batters who faced him, not a hinderance

  • on September 2, 2014, 19:01 GMT

    what about anderson,,,didn't he described as the most skillful bowler few days back,,, what happens to him in odi series, he hasn't taken a wicket, let alone stopping runs. he is one of the main reasons england is a flop.

  • on September 2, 2014, 19:07 GMT

    Although I myself believe Cook is not the only one to blame for.. but I am loving every inch of the criticism directed at him.. England won in Test Series without playing spectacularly but for the Indian team's failures and Dhoni's lack of Test leadership... and sadly loss of form of Kohli.. We will see them very very well in Australia and would love Australia drubbing Eng again and badly too..!!!

  • Vaughanographic on September 2, 2014, 19:12 GMT

    England I reckon is.. almost there. I think a 5 bowler strategy is a bit flawed. I reckon 6 batsmen, 2 or 3 of which can bowl - is the answer.

    Hales "Another opener" (maybe Ballance as an opener? Maybe Lyth?) Bopara (can bowl) Morgan / Taylor /Root Roy (can bowl a bit and smash it a bit) Patel / Ali (can bowl) Butler Anderson Tredwell Broad/Woakes An other

    The problem is that domestically there don't seem to be any bowlers REALLY doing well in one day cricket so their attack has a few problems. I also think the current batting lineup feels under pressure to score quickly. With natural fast scores like Bopara, Roy, Patel/Ali, Hales/Butler, the remaining players will be more relaxed to play their natural game