England news July 19, 2012

PCA want new-look central contracts

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England's elite players would have more of a say in the management of their workloads under proposals that are being drawn up by the Professional Cricketers Association (PCA) ahead of the redrafting of central contracts next year.

If PCA proposals are accepted, England would shift slightly towards the sort of squad system that has become an accepted part of Premier League football, as the most senior and successful players such as Kevin Pietersen were given more licence to miss matches regarded as less important.

Angus Porter, chief executive of the PCA, facilitated unsuccessful negotiations last week between Pietersen and his representatives and Hugh Morris, the managing director of England cricket, which failed to end the stand-off which has led to Pietersen's premature retirement from all England limited-overs cricket.

Pietersen wanted rest from more one-day matches and also proposed missing at least one of England's May Tests to enable him to play a full IPL season.

Porter remains adamant that a more formalised rotation system is essential if England's top players are to maximise their time in the game. The current three-year agreement expires in autumn 2013 and the PCA and ECB are anxious to draw up a new deal before next summer's Ashes series.

"This is an issue we need to get to grips with and one that we will be discussing in the next central contracts negotiation," Porter said. "We all recognise that with a really hectic schedule managing workloads is important particularly for senior players who have played the longest and who play in all formats of the game.

"We need to find a way to provide a little bit more structure to what is already happening - to develop England cricket as a squad game where you not only try to win every game but you try to keep the talent fresh and at the top as long as possible.

"Some kind of process that introduces some form of flexibility for those players who have been at the top for a good length of time is desirable and consistent with that."

Porter also pointed to the example of the ATP circuit where leading tennis players are exempt from less prestigious tournaments and so delay their retirement as a result. Roger Federer, who defeated Andy Murray in the Wimbledon men's final earlier this month, may already have retired without the management of his playing demands.

Reducing the amount of international cricket is virtually impossible under the self-perpetuating system where the Future Tours Programme is fixed until 2020 and TV rights have been sold well ahead - Sky TV in the UK have a deal until 2017 with a further two-year option - on the basis of these deals. That only leaves the options of rest and rotation and a more orderly fixture list.

"The existing rules work well in some cases - Andrew Strauss is a good example of somebody who has benefited - and less well in others," Porter said. "It is not inconceivable that they might allow players to retire from Test cricket and play in both forms of one-day cricket."

What central contracts could not resolve, said Porter, was the ECB's uneasy relationship towards IPL.

"I do think the ECB and the other boards have to grasp that nettle, accept the IPL exists and identify a window for it so we do not always have to manage the consequences of an event which without constraint will continue to grow and move around the schedule. It shouldn't be the most difficult thing in the world.

"IPL is this dirty great big thing that is not fixed in time and space in the FTP and until or unless the Boards and the ICC get to grips with it, accept that it is here to stay and identify a window of a sensible length for it, it is impossible for any of us to plan."

That will become increasingly evident between 2014 and 2016. ICC one-day tournaments are scheduled in March and April for each of those years, pushing IPL even later into the year - infiltrating England's international season to an even greater extent.

"Like most traditionalists, I believe that Test cricket is the priority," Porter said, adding that it was an understandable ambition for England players to want to take part in "the most lucrative, high-profile and fantastic tournament. Being practical about it, IPL is different and is bigger. It is not impossible for us to do something about it if we can get the IPL placed in a window. "

Unless accommodation between English cricket and IPL is found, Pietersen, depicted by many as a self-obsessed maverick, might turn out to be the harbinger of a battle-scarred future as future England players are frustrated in their desire to play in cricket's most glamorous and rewarding T20 tournament.

Porter, closer to the negotiations than most, said: "I can't take issue with either side in the argument. Both have been very reasonable in their points of view and have tried to find some middle ground but you come back to the fact that at the moment there is an irreconcilable issue that IPL clashes with test cricket and the ECB regards Test cricket with absolute primacy. Much as they want to be reasonable they can't and won't budge."

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY on | July 20, 2012, 19:57 GMT

    why not play the IPL big bash and BPL only...and mind u...it is not premier league type at all...internationals arre chalcked out in football only when there are breaks!! unlike cricket!! ICCis a PRO indian body...it's failure to have a suitable schedule for all hurts good teams!

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | July 20, 2012, 19:45 GMT

    @Damo_s on (July 20 2012, 12:34 PM GMT) SA weren't playing a test series clashing with IPL 2012. Aus/WI test series overlapped with IPL and WI stars Gayle and Bravo sr chose IPL whereas Clarke,Hilf,Watson etc played the test series before joining IPL. I think the thing which irks most Eng fans re KP is the way he intimated that he wanted more time off to prolong his career and spend with his family when it now seems he just wanted the time off to play IPL.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | July 20, 2012, 19:45 GMT

    @satish619chandar on (July 20 2012, 11:07 AM GMT) I wouldn't blame IPL as such. It is down to the player whether they want to play IPL fully , play IPL when it doesn't clash with anything else or ignore IPL. Re England , KP was the only test player who played any part in the IPL this year. Broad was signed but was injured. I only half agree with "If a player is so good and MUST in the team, the board should be nice to him". Obviously like everything in life you'd think the better one is treated the better they respond but sometimes people who are treated well behave like primadonnas when the grass looks greener elsewhere. Obviously we'll see how other Eng players react if they get bought in IPL 2013 but IMO the Aussies did the right thing in that they played the tests but played IPL after the WI series finished.

  • POSTED BY on | July 20, 2012, 15:46 GMT

    I can understand the dilemna ECB is facing; they can sense that in future. if they give an inch now, their roles will be diminished. IPL has taken a lead in this direction with their financial muscle backed by loyal and admiring crowd. A new set up has to be evolved where all playing nations will have to sit together. Why not ICC or boards start getting a slice (money) from these tournaments such IPL, BBL, BB etc and invest in the development of new cricketers and then these can be sold back to these leagues at hefty prices.

  • POSTED BY Selassie-I on | July 20, 2012, 15:36 GMT

    The difficulty I think is that the IPL and then the champions league are scheduled at either end of the English cricket season; the season already startes too early to accomodate the champ's league, so it can't thus begin later as well to accomodate the IPL as there is already too many matches in too little time.. what should the ECB do? completley truncate the season to accomodate a dozen players? all the boards need to get together and work something out to stop this problem.... soon. However futle it sounds, it's best just to all get on for the greater good but unfortunatley cricket is run by a bunch of stubborn old stuffs!

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | July 20, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    I'm not sure there is an easy solution here. As JM put , it would depend on BCCI cooperating and as YP put , the other problem is that every board would want to make sure their international matches don't clash with IPL which is impossible. One thing I will disagree with in the article is that it seems to suggest that it is the football players who choose when they play and when they don't. I'm not a Man U fan but Fergie has obviously rotated his side expertly for years. But the point is that it's Fergie who decides when to rest players and which players and if Rooney or whoever started to try and call the shots we all know what would happen. The other point is that EPL players only play for their club and their international side and whenever there's an international (even just a poxy friendly) during club season there are no club fixtures so they never overlap.

  • POSTED BY i_witnessed_2011 on | July 20, 2012, 13:03 GMT

    @jmcilhinney: Why should BCCI held responsible for not having an IPL window. BCCI has organised the tournment and asked players to get NOC from their respective board to be part of it. Now if BCCI had tried for a window, the everybody starts complaining about lobbying for a IPL window. The another point everybody is missing out here is BCCI or ICC is not (only) responsible for not having IPL window. Boards have agreed to play some number matches and sold their TV rights. and now they can not let their players go free for 6 -8 weeks to play IPL. Boards have agreed to tight schedules and many matches in a year to earn more money. Players want some more money by playing IPL. Boards,Players,Brodcasters everybody needs money. BCCI is just part of this race. I do not see any logic in blaming BCCI\IPL alone for the whole mess.

  • POSTED BY Damo_s on | July 20, 2012, 12:34 GMT

    I really dont understand the chin strokers who make comments such as "where is the loyalty" "all about the money". Sporting careers are very short lived therefore it is not unreasonable for individuals to try and maximise their income whilst they are at the peak of their sport. It only seems to be made an issue for England players. Half of the current SA side were in the IPL. Its the ECB thats killing cricket by scheduling too manny non-events and being completely inflexible. Move with the times or get left behind, a simple rule of business.

  • POSTED BY MartinC on | July 20, 2012, 11:46 GMT

    So now we are pushing the restructuring of central contracts to accommodate players wanting to play in the IPL?

    The only player really effected right now is Pietersen. He is the only English player getting the kind of bid from IPL to make him want to play IPL instead of take up a full central contract. Totally understand his position - play IPL then and decline the central contract. We have young players waiting to take Pietersens spot and the England side will carry on without him.

    Same goes for other English players - accept the central contract and take the money from that or decline and try your luck with the IPL - I suspect very few will go down that route.

  • POSTED BY SirViv1973 on | July 20, 2012, 11:39 GMT

    @YorkshirePudd, KP is the only 1 at the mo but it is only a matter of time before others will want the same. the likes of Swann & Prior enter the auction every year & never get picked up because they have limited availabilty, this would not be the case if they were available for the whole season. I also don't agree that putting the season back a fortnight to the end of May(I made no mention of starting in Jun) would neccesarily mean any reduction in Int games. Next summer would have been an exception owing to the staging of the CT, with the ashes and a full tour by NZL it could be argued the ECB has bitten off a bit too much next summer. I am in no way a fan of the ipl but every other int CB (expect PCB) has had to face the club vs country argument and I just feel that sooner rather than later Eng will be facing the same. I don't have the answers to how this can be resolved but there it is an issue that the ECB cannot afford to ignore any longer.

  • POSTED BY on | July 20, 2012, 19:57 GMT

    why not play the IPL big bash and BPL only...and mind u...it is not premier league type at all...internationals arre chalcked out in football only when there are breaks!! unlike cricket!! ICCis a PRO indian body...it's failure to have a suitable schedule for all hurts good teams!

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | July 20, 2012, 19:45 GMT

    @Damo_s on (July 20 2012, 12:34 PM GMT) SA weren't playing a test series clashing with IPL 2012. Aus/WI test series overlapped with IPL and WI stars Gayle and Bravo sr chose IPL whereas Clarke,Hilf,Watson etc played the test series before joining IPL. I think the thing which irks most Eng fans re KP is the way he intimated that he wanted more time off to prolong his career and spend with his family when it now seems he just wanted the time off to play IPL.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | July 20, 2012, 19:45 GMT

    @satish619chandar on (July 20 2012, 11:07 AM GMT) I wouldn't blame IPL as such. It is down to the player whether they want to play IPL fully , play IPL when it doesn't clash with anything else or ignore IPL. Re England , KP was the only test player who played any part in the IPL this year. Broad was signed but was injured. I only half agree with "If a player is so good and MUST in the team, the board should be nice to him". Obviously like everything in life you'd think the better one is treated the better they respond but sometimes people who are treated well behave like primadonnas when the grass looks greener elsewhere. Obviously we'll see how other Eng players react if they get bought in IPL 2013 but IMO the Aussies did the right thing in that they played the tests but played IPL after the WI series finished.

  • POSTED BY on | July 20, 2012, 15:46 GMT

    I can understand the dilemna ECB is facing; they can sense that in future. if they give an inch now, their roles will be diminished. IPL has taken a lead in this direction with their financial muscle backed by loyal and admiring crowd. A new set up has to be evolved where all playing nations will have to sit together. Why not ICC or boards start getting a slice (money) from these tournaments such IPL, BBL, BB etc and invest in the development of new cricketers and then these can be sold back to these leagues at hefty prices.

  • POSTED BY Selassie-I on | July 20, 2012, 15:36 GMT

    The difficulty I think is that the IPL and then the champions league are scheduled at either end of the English cricket season; the season already startes too early to accomodate the champ's league, so it can't thus begin later as well to accomodate the IPL as there is already too many matches in too little time.. what should the ECB do? completley truncate the season to accomodate a dozen players? all the boards need to get together and work something out to stop this problem.... soon. However futle it sounds, it's best just to all get on for the greater good but unfortunatley cricket is run by a bunch of stubborn old stuffs!

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | July 20, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    I'm not sure there is an easy solution here. As JM put , it would depend on BCCI cooperating and as YP put , the other problem is that every board would want to make sure their international matches don't clash with IPL which is impossible. One thing I will disagree with in the article is that it seems to suggest that it is the football players who choose when they play and when they don't. I'm not a Man U fan but Fergie has obviously rotated his side expertly for years. But the point is that it's Fergie who decides when to rest players and which players and if Rooney or whoever started to try and call the shots we all know what would happen. The other point is that EPL players only play for their club and their international side and whenever there's an international (even just a poxy friendly) during club season there are no club fixtures so they never overlap.

  • POSTED BY i_witnessed_2011 on | July 20, 2012, 13:03 GMT

    @jmcilhinney: Why should BCCI held responsible for not having an IPL window. BCCI has organised the tournment and asked players to get NOC from their respective board to be part of it. Now if BCCI had tried for a window, the everybody starts complaining about lobbying for a IPL window. The another point everybody is missing out here is BCCI or ICC is not (only) responsible for not having IPL window. Boards have agreed to play some number matches and sold their TV rights. and now they can not let their players go free for 6 -8 weeks to play IPL. Boards have agreed to tight schedules and many matches in a year to earn more money. Players want some more money by playing IPL. Boards,Players,Brodcasters everybody needs money. BCCI is just part of this race. I do not see any logic in blaming BCCI\IPL alone for the whole mess.

  • POSTED BY Damo_s on | July 20, 2012, 12:34 GMT

    I really dont understand the chin strokers who make comments such as "where is the loyalty" "all about the money". Sporting careers are very short lived therefore it is not unreasonable for individuals to try and maximise their income whilst they are at the peak of their sport. It only seems to be made an issue for England players. Half of the current SA side were in the IPL. Its the ECB thats killing cricket by scheduling too manny non-events and being completely inflexible. Move with the times or get left behind, a simple rule of business.

  • POSTED BY MartinC on | July 20, 2012, 11:46 GMT

    So now we are pushing the restructuring of central contracts to accommodate players wanting to play in the IPL?

    The only player really effected right now is Pietersen. He is the only English player getting the kind of bid from IPL to make him want to play IPL instead of take up a full central contract. Totally understand his position - play IPL then and decline the central contract. We have young players waiting to take Pietersens spot and the England side will carry on without him.

    Same goes for other English players - accept the central contract and take the money from that or decline and try your luck with the IPL - I suspect very few will go down that route.

  • POSTED BY SirViv1973 on | July 20, 2012, 11:39 GMT

    @YorkshirePudd, KP is the only 1 at the mo but it is only a matter of time before others will want the same. the likes of Swann & Prior enter the auction every year & never get picked up because they have limited availabilty, this would not be the case if they were available for the whole season. I also don't agree that putting the season back a fortnight to the end of May(I made no mention of starting in Jun) would neccesarily mean any reduction in Int games. Next summer would have been an exception owing to the staging of the CT, with the ashes and a full tour by NZL it could be argued the ECB has bitten off a bit too much next summer. I am in no way a fan of the ipl but every other int CB (expect PCB) has had to face the club vs country argument and I just feel that sooner rather than later Eng will be facing the same. I don't have the answers to how this can be resolved but there it is an issue that the ECB cannot afford to ignore any longer.

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | July 20, 2012, 11:16 GMT

    No window for IPL.. Absolutely not needed.. Let the player and his board set their priorities.. No IPL team forced or is going to force the players to skip intl game and play for them.. Let the boards be transparent and be liberal to the players and the players in turn, loyal to the board..

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | July 20, 2012, 11:13 GMT

    @jmcilhinney: Well put up.. KP was lucky that he was in rampant form this time as he regained his touch in UAE and continued in SL.. He cashed it in IPL.. If KP doesn't turn up next season as the same, he will be in bench.. Retiring for playing full season of IPL is just as worse as anything.. Why i wouldn't blame IPL franchise for this turmoil is, everyone wants to have their cup of tea.. Player comes out for IPL, Boards settle for money and gives away players.. But the guy who pays hefty amount need to have to control his need and reject player is not that practical.. As far as i see, no franchise is forcing the players to play for their team skipping the national duty.. The decision should be of the player and his board and IPL guys just there to utilize if available.. Availability is entirely their decision and i would rather blame the players and boards..

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | July 20, 2012, 11:07 GMT

    Let us be fair.. BCCI never and ever asked any player to play IPL skipping national duties.. Yes the player gets more money but no player will leave their nation if looked after nicely.. If a player is so good and MUST in the team, the board should be nice to him.. That is a fact.. Shillingford played for Narine in WI-Aus series and did a good job.. Same with Bell opening now for England in shorter formats post KP.. If a player goes for money retiring from intl, sdon't care.. There are good enough numbers to replace the guy opting out.. Anyway, a new finding feet player will add more value than a talented selfish money minded guy with priorities somewhere.. There are good enough guys in the park to play..

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | July 20, 2012, 10:31 GMT

    There are two quite different issues here. One is managing players' workloads. I think it is in everybody's interest to ensure that players are not overloaded to the point that their motivation and performance suffers. Oddly, one would think that it was the bowlers who would be most anxious to control the amount they have to do, but I've only ever heard from England's bowlers that they wanted to play and were disappointed if they were rested. The other is playing in the IPL, which is all about INCREASING players' workloads. If the players want that, then arguing that they are overburdened by having to fulfill their central contracts sounds like wanting to have their cake and eat it. The solution might be to have anyone who wants to play IPL excluded from the central contracts system. No guaranteed money, just a fee per match if they are selected. Those who opt for central contracts fulfill them and fit IPL in where they can. I'm guessing most England players will go that route.

  • POSTED BY on | July 20, 2012, 8:51 GMT

    IPL should be scrapped, it is unnecessarily eating up ODIs & Tests. I wonder what is so good about IPL that people are glued to Tv sets? I watched all 5 IPLs & never got convinced even when Sachin scored his only 100. I think senior players especially financially rich cricketers like Sachin, KP should miss IPL & 20-20 altogether. It is like test cricketers being asked to play street cricket with 20 overs aside. What do you hope to achieve in these? You already have fame, money, now take rest, play just ODI & Tests. IPL should be a testing league for aspiring, fringe & retired players only. Not star cricketers. Money seems to be the only motive for these players nowadays, can miss national duty but not more money, LOL.

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot_lunge on | July 20, 2012, 8:25 GMT

    This is just the first cracks that are appearing in the English set up, and is to be expected if we decide to fudge the notion of national representation, by selecting players who only qualify through a tenuous serendipitous link of a parent happening to be born here. Exactly where do their loyalties lie? Can you expect anything greater than the 'me too' behaviour that permeates my beloved 'Camp England' at the moment?

    Imagine the result if just one or two more players come around to Kevin's banner, (most likely Trott and Prior)? That will be a seismic shift and the fallout will echo the Moores-Peitersen debacle that proceeded our 51 all out drubbing by the Windies. I fear for what the Aussies might do if this comes to a head pre-ashes next year.

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | July 20, 2012, 8:17 GMT

    I'm not trying to bash the BCCI here but I will say that, with all this talk about a window for the IPL, I don't see the BCCI being at all proactive about playing their part in making that happen. They would be one of the biggest beneficiaries if it did happen. The thing is, they have no responsibility to do anything about it. The IPL is a domestic league under their control and they have no obligation to change it to make life easier for anyone else. With that in mind, why then should any other board take steps to allow their players the freedom to make more money for themselves, the BCCI and IPL franchises when they won;t help that borad's national team? WICB has been worst affected so they may need to make changes to get some players back but how can those players complain about how they are treated by the board when they show no regard for the board? Why is it so important to play a whole IPL season anyway? KP just wants to be there to lift the trophy.

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | July 20, 2012, 6:27 GMT

    @SirViv1973, the only player demanding to play the full IPL at the moment is KP. Also pushing back the start of the summer season to Late May early June, has the knock on effect of meaning that you have to drop ODI's and T20i's as there is no room for them, these are one of the main income streams for the ECB. Take next year, a 5 test Ashes series is July-Aug, the NZ series would be Jun, when do the players get a rest between series? Its not as if england have an 7-8 month cricket season like some counties. The argument for an IPL window is not feasible, as the other leagues will also want to have a dedicated window, meaning that you will be left with 1-2 month gaps to play test cricket.

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | July 20, 2012, 6:19 GMT

    Having listened to the original interview on TMS, I was less than convinced by the argument, event though it was well thought out. The problem is that if a young player comes in during one of these rotations (ie KP missing NZ), and does well he would immediately get dropped to make way for KP during the 'main' event of the summer. This doesnt encourage players to do well as no matter how well they do they get dropped to make way for someone who has been lining thier own pockets in a foreign domestic league, then what if KP decides to do the BBL during Englands first tour of the winter. I would agree with that but suggest that the central contracts for players that do this lose 25% of thier central contract value, as they miss 25% of the test series every year.

  • POSTED BY billy_bilal on | July 20, 2012, 4:39 GMT

    As not many English Players were picked in last season even though they were available for most of the season, I don 't get the reason behind PCA push for IPL window. You can't just give window to IPL for Kevin alone. He won't be playing for England for long anyway. Before, ODI's against Pak, there was big talk of dropping him.

  • POSTED BY SirViv1973 on | July 19, 2012, 21:36 GMT

    I fear that the ECB missed a trick a few yrs back with its failure to see that it could not keep Eng best players away from the rupee for ever. Before the last CFTP was agree several test playing nations wanted the iCC to introduce an IPL window which would have lasted about 6 wks ECB were against it as it would have meant pushing the start of the int season back to late May. Since then the calls have begun to get louder for Eng players to be given a chance to play a full season in the IPL. Amount of games in the IPL have increased & I would expect it to increase further in future yrs making an official ICC window impossible. If KP is given the flexibility to play a full season then the likes of Swann, Broad, Prior & others will soon ask to do the same. That would mean almost an Eng Lions team playing against weaker test opposition at the start of each season which will be a difficult sale to put bums on seats and will further devalue test cricket, this will be tough to sort out now.

  • POSTED BY on | July 19, 2012, 21:05 GMT

    Money Money Money rules the world!

  • POSTED BY PunchDrunkPunter on | July 19, 2012, 21:02 GMT

    England's 2nd XI is the 3rd best side in the world. Nuff said!

  • POSTED BY on | July 19, 2012, 19:57 GMT

    Give them a window and take 30% of their remuneration for the inconvenience. I mean, they claim to want to go to improve their cricket, right? The squillions are just an added bonus.

  • POSTED BY sirvivfan on | July 19, 2012, 19:35 GMT

    I think it is Mr Porter who spoke to johnathan Agnew during lunch break at the Test match today. He sounded very reasonable on the subject and certainly worth looking at Petersens proposal. However one point of discussion really annoyed me and it is the very reason why I struggle to support England when you have guys like this taking. He basically said giving break to senior cricketers is very important so that they can be fresh when England play against sides like Australia and South Africa! Totally discounting the thrashing England got against Pakistan during the winter. I assume he is from this planet. Remember it was 3-0 in the tests! This against one of the weakest batting sides in the world cricket, albeit with world class bowling line up. This kind of attitude is not very good to have specially representing the players. Very unlike The Chairman of football players association!

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  • POSTED BY sirvivfan on | July 19, 2012, 19:35 GMT

    I think it is Mr Porter who spoke to johnathan Agnew during lunch break at the Test match today. He sounded very reasonable on the subject and certainly worth looking at Petersens proposal. However one point of discussion really annoyed me and it is the very reason why I struggle to support England when you have guys like this taking. He basically said giving break to senior cricketers is very important so that they can be fresh when England play against sides like Australia and South Africa! Totally discounting the thrashing England got against Pakistan during the winter. I assume he is from this planet. Remember it was 3-0 in the tests! This against one of the weakest batting sides in the world cricket, albeit with world class bowling line up. This kind of attitude is not very good to have specially representing the players. Very unlike The Chairman of football players association!

  • POSTED BY on | July 19, 2012, 19:57 GMT

    Give them a window and take 30% of their remuneration for the inconvenience. I mean, they claim to want to go to improve their cricket, right? The squillions are just an added bonus.

  • POSTED BY PunchDrunkPunter on | July 19, 2012, 21:02 GMT

    England's 2nd XI is the 3rd best side in the world. Nuff said!

  • POSTED BY on | July 19, 2012, 21:05 GMT

    Money Money Money rules the world!

  • POSTED BY SirViv1973 on | July 19, 2012, 21:36 GMT

    I fear that the ECB missed a trick a few yrs back with its failure to see that it could not keep Eng best players away from the rupee for ever. Before the last CFTP was agree several test playing nations wanted the iCC to introduce an IPL window which would have lasted about 6 wks ECB were against it as it would have meant pushing the start of the int season back to late May. Since then the calls have begun to get louder for Eng players to be given a chance to play a full season in the IPL. Amount of games in the IPL have increased & I would expect it to increase further in future yrs making an official ICC window impossible. If KP is given the flexibility to play a full season then the likes of Swann, Broad, Prior & others will soon ask to do the same. That would mean almost an Eng Lions team playing against weaker test opposition at the start of each season which will be a difficult sale to put bums on seats and will further devalue test cricket, this will be tough to sort out now.

  • POSTED BY billy_bilal on | July 20, 2012, 4:39 GMT

    As not many English Players were picked in last season even though they were available for most of the season, I don 't get the reason behind PCA push for IPL window. You can't just give window to IPL for Kevin alone. He won't be playing for England for long anyway. Before, ODI's against Pak, there was big talk of dropping him.

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | July 20, 2012, 6:19 GMT

    Having listened to the original interview on TMS, I was less than convinced by the argument, event though it was well thought out. The problem is that if a young player comes in during one of these rotations (ie KP missing NZ), and does well he would immediately get dropped to make way for KP during the 'main' event of the summer. This doesnt encourage players to do well as no matter how well they do they get dropped to make way for someone who has been lining thier own pockets in a foreign domestic league, then what if KP decides to do the BBL during Englands first tour of the winter. I would agree with that but suggest that the central contracts for players that do this lose 25% of thier central contract value, as they miss 25% of the test series every year.

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | July 20, 2012, 6:27 GMT

    @SirViv1973, the only player demanding to play the full IPL at the moment is KP. Also pushing back the start of the summer season to Late May early June, has the knock on effect of meaning that you have to drop ODI's and T20i's as there is no room for them, these are one of the main income streams for the ECB. Take next year, a 5 test Ashes series is July-Aug, the NZ series would be Jun, when do the players get a rest between series? Its not as if england have an 7-8 month cricket season like some counties. The argument for an IPL window is not feasible, as the other leagues will also want to have a dedicated window, meaning that you will be left with 1-2 month gaps to play test cricket.

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | July 20, 2012, 8:17 GMT

    I'm not trying to bash the BCCI here but I will say that, with all this talk about a window for the IPL, I don't see the BCCI being at all proactive about playing their part in making that happen. They would be one of the biggest beneficiaries if it did happen. The thing is, they have no responsibility to do anything about it. The IPL is a domestic league under their control and they have no obligation to change it to make life easier for anyone else. With that in mind, why then should any other board take steps to allow their players the freedom to make more money for themselves, the BCCI and IPL franchises when they won;t help that borad's national team? WICB has been worst affected so they may need to make changes to get some players back but how can those players complain about how they are treated by the board when they show no regard for the board? Why is it so important to play a whole IPL season anyway? KP just wants to be there to lift the trophy.

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot_lunge on | July 20, 2012, 8:25 GMT

    This is just the first cracks that are appearing in the English set up, and is to be expected if we decide to fudge the notion of national representation, by selecting players who only qualify through a tenuous serendipitous link of a parent happening to be born here. Exactly where do their loyalties lie? Can you expect anything greater than the 'me too' behaviour that permeates my beloved 'Camp England' at the moment?

    Imagine the result if just one or two more players come around to Kevin's banner, (most likely Trott and Prior)? That will be a seismic shift and the fallout will echo the Moores-Peitersen debacle that proceeded our 51 all out drubbing by the Windies. I fear for what the Aussies might do if this comes to a head pre-ashes next year.