England v West Indies, 1st Test, Lord's, 5th day May 21, 2012

Sammy 'pleased' despite defeat

The West Indies captain was left to reflect on another Test defeat but one that offered signs of hope
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At the end of it all Darren Sammy had to search mentally for the appropriate word to sum up his team's performance after the five-wicket defeat at Lord's? Does he go ahead and call it a minor victory considering West Indies started the final day with a chance? Or should he be modest and admit that they had not progressed much from the finishing point at the end of the home Test series against Australia? Sammy settled for "pleased" with a lot of room for improvement.

"We were quite pleased. We were told there were no fifth-day tickets printed. We took the game to the fifth day," Sammy said. "The team continued to show the never-say-die attitude which we promised to bring out here in England. And we had some good performances from some of the players. We'll take that these positives into the next Test."

The defeat was not unexpected, but what was definitely not expected was West Indies putting up such a determined show and making England work hard for the victory. Barring Shivnarine Chanderpaul, suggested the pre-series coverage, no other West Indies player could stand the stern test in England. Yet, some of them did: Marlon Samuels, Denesh Ramdin and Adrian Barath with the bat and Kemar Roach with ball inspired confidence in team-mates with their contributions.

The downplaying of West Indies' chances before the series was nothing new for Sammy who said his team had become used to such a billing. "For the last ten years they have been saying that about us. We in the dressing room have our own confidence that once we go out and execute, if we bowl in a disciplined fashion, we create problems. We got the last seven wickets [in the first innings] for 130-odd runs. So we could do it. It is about doing it consistently enough. And when you are playing against the No.1 team you have to be at your best all the time."

They produced a strong fightback on the third morning when England lost their last seven wickets for 154. However, they were guilty of letting key moments slip away from them: a couple of examples of letting England off the hook were immediately after removing Alastair Cook on the second morning and then losing three wickets in suicidal fashion on the stroke of tea on the third day.

Another important turning point that could be added to the list of faults was Sammy losing his head in the final hour of play on Sunday when West Indies were steadily building a strong lead with Ramdin looking solid at the other end. Sammy had put some pressure back on England with an attacking innings before becoming Stuart Broad's 10th wicket of the match. He admitted his mistake and suggested the outcome could have been different had he not played impulsively.

"I think I let the team down in that department," he said. "I was striking the ball quite well when the field was spread. If I had batted for the rest of the evening it would definitely have been 250-plus. That could have been the difference."

Luckily, Roach made sure West Indies' spirit were not be dampened before they went to sleep on the penultimate evening by grabbing two key wickets and raising prospects of an unimaginable victory push. On the final morning, Sammy acknowledge, West Indies were excited. Their hopes rested on the four-pronged pace attack and when England were 57 for 4 West Indies' hearts started beating faster.

"I like watching these guys, standing at slips, running in and knowing that anytime an edge could come my way. Today it just felt right," Sammy said. He had pouched Jonathan Trott, the first wicket to fall in the morning, brilliantly to his left at second slip, when Trott was beaten by the movement from Roach.

However, Roach needed support Fidel Edwards did not turn up at Lord's. He started the morning with four wides and remained muted for the rest of the session. Shannon Gabriel, the debutant, once again built his rhythm, bowling purposefully on the off stump and managed to remove the dangerous Kevin Pietersen. But back spasms restricted him to only five overs.

"Our pacers have been doing a good job for us throughout the last year or two," Sammy said. "A few more wickets between Fidel and Roach could have been a different story."

Again, though, the problem for West Indies, despite all their fight, was a lack of runs especially in the first innings. The West Indies players need to start reading situations well and adapting quickly. A major talking point during this Test was whether Chanderpaul should bat higher to strengthen the fragile and inexperienced top order.

At the end of the day's play on Sunday, after he had made 91, Chanderpaul was blunt in his disagreement with such a suggestion. According to him young batsmen do not learn anything batting at No. 5 or 6 and to gain experience they need to play at the top which is something Sammy agreed with.

"Shiv is quite an experienced players so if he says something he has a lot of reasoning for saying it," he said. "He has done an excellent job for us at No. 5 and he continues to do that. I more want our batsmen to take a page out of his book instead of saying where should he bat. Right now what needs to happen is our batsmen have to stand up and bat, and set a platform so when he comes in he could play his game and we all can bat around him."

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on May 23, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    The reason why Sammy said he is pleased in defeat is they achieved the goal of Gibson and Sammy of getting the game into the 5th day as suggested in there press conference when they arrived in England.

  • on May 23, 2012, 13:29 GMT

    its say a chain is as strong as its weakest link as long as sammy is the captain w i team will make to no where can win u a game or two with the bat , the ball or with decision made on the field and other than being vocal on the field i don't see anything else anytime the wicb start treating the players as big men regardless of age things will be find and i guest now that sars has his piece to say i no he is band from w i team for good and all who see improvement in w i take away chanderpaul runs and time spends batting and samuels batting in the second innings the match could have finish in 3 days

  • TheLight on May 23, 2012, 11:30 GMT

    The team is improving? Really? I think not. Without Shiv, the game would have been over in 3 days. The same Shiv that Gibson tried to get rid of.

  • on May 23, 2012, 7:50 GMT

    I think Jerome Taylor and Darren Powell should be back, and WI should always always play Sunil Narine

    Also I would say that Sammy needs to be dropped from the test team.

    If Gibson likes him too much to drop him, I would suggest Sammy and Bharath to open . At least he will bring some value to the team if he holds one end up as an opener.

  • lenedwards96yahoo.co.uk on May 23, 2012, 6:56 GMT

    The first test at Lords confirmed what most people knew already. Sammy cannot bat or bowl effectively at test level, the Powell, Edwards, Barath, Bravo and Samuels do not move their feet and wont score effective runs. The bowlers bowl either too short or too full and either get driven, cut or pulled with ease. Tino Best will not improve the side in fact he will be worse than Gabriel who I thought done fine.

    To people like Michael Holding and Michael Vaughan, stop having a go at Chandepaul, you both sound stupid! Concentrate on the attitude and technical abilities of the rest WHO ARE CONTINUALLY FAILING WHEN THE PRESSURE IS ON.

  • jimbond on May 23, 2012, 5:36 GMT

    Some of the comments amaze me- when people like Roach, and Chanderpaul give their everything, some people give credit to Sammy (and even Gibson) for that. While cricket is a team game, it does require individual performances. If a guy like Gibson can be instrumental in keeping several decent players out of the team, his effect is definitely negative. And Sammy is definitely keeping one decent player out of the team- he can do a great service to his team by not playing in the next match, and allowing a spinner to play in his place.

  • jibbajibbi on May 23, 2012, 3:00 GMT

    Here's why people see positives in West Indies' defeats. There is not any dependence on one person. Think about it, its the same scores on the scoreboard but instead of a one man army, the young players are fighting to keep their places. If they continue to fight and a man such as Gayle should come in, then there would be a shift from competitive defeats to victories for the West Indies.

  • on May 22, 2012, 18:38 GMT

    Is this guy (Sammy) for real?he continuously sees' positives in defeat,this dude is a glutton for punishment.An embarrassment to WI cricket....he is....if you ask me.

  • SoLucien on May 22, 2012, 16:56 GMT

    I think we should stop bashing Sammy. As far as i am concerned he has not impressed me as a player but neithrt have most of the other players with the exception of Chiv, Bravo and Roach. Sammy didnt pick himself, the selectors did. Those other players didnt pick themselves the selectors did. Realistically people there is nothing else Sammy can say after a defeat. If he said the obvious to whose benefit would it be? I know alot of ppl here and in the rest of the caribbean dislike Gayle and other sidelined senior players for whatever reason but we need to find ways of reforming, including and compensating these players in the interest of continuity. I know i will get opposition on this but in the region now what incentive is there for a young cricketer to aspire to? Wouldnt he be better of off trying track n field, basketball or football. Adminstrators of the game need to take stock of what is going on in the interest of the sistainability and longevity of the game in the region.

  • wifedupfan on May 22, 2012, 16:54 GMT

    let's face it. sammy is NOT a penetrative bowler and should never be one of the four main bowlers. one of the reasons we have allowed strong positions to slip away is that we lacked the killer instinct bacuse of the limited bowling options. when your top two bowlers are tired you must be able to rely on strong support from two other very good bowlers...how on earth are we goin to attempt to get the upper hand by having sammy bowl?...if the management insists that he captains the side then let the wkpr (ramdin) bat at no.6, sammy at no.7 and then the four front line bowlers (from roach, rampaul, edwards, shillingford, gabriel...and narine of course....we have a few to choose from obviously)...to support this, given that the top 3 batsmen are failing (barath included), drop one and bring in a bowler!!!

  • on May 23, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    The reason why Sammy said he is pleased in defeat is they achieved the goal of Gibson and Sammy of getting the game into the 5th day as suggested in there press conference when they arrived in England.

  • on May 23, 2012, 13:29 GMT

    its say a chain is as strong as its weakest link as long as sammy is the captain w i team will make to no where can win u a game or two with the bat , the ball or with decision made on the field and other than being vocal on the field i don't see anything else anytime the wicb start treating the players as big men regardless of age things will be find and i guest now that sars has his piece to say i no he is band from w i team for good and all who see improvement in w i take away chanderpaul runs and time spends batting and samuels batting in the second innings the match could have finish in 3 days

  • TheLight on May 23, 2012, 11:30 GMT

    The team is improving? Really? I think not. Without Shiv, the game would have been over in 3 days. The same Shiv that Gibson tried to get rid of.

  • on May 23, 2012, 7:50 GMT

    I think Jerome Taylor and Darren Powell should be back, and WI should always always play Sunil Narine

    Also I would say that Sammy needs to be dropped from the test team.

    If Gibson likes him too much to drop him, I would suggest Sammy and Bharath to open . At least he will bring some value to the team if he holds one end up as an opener.

  • lenedwards96yahoo.co.uk on May 23, 2012, 6:56 GMT

    The first test at Lords confirmed what most people knew already. Sammy cannot bat or bowl effectively at test level, the Powell, Edwards, Barath, Bravo and Samuels do not move their feet and wont score effective runs. The bowlers bowl either too short or too full and either get driven, cut or pulled with ease. Tino Best will not improve the side in fact he will be worse than Gabriel who I thought done fine.

    To people like Michael Holding and Michael Vaughan, stop having a go at Chandepaul, you both sound stupid! Concentrate on the attitude and technical abilities of the rest WHO ARE CONTINUALLY FAILING WHEN THE PRESSURE IS ON.

  • jimbond on May 23, 2012, 5:36 GMT

    Some of the comments amaze me- when people like Roach, and Chanderpaul give their everything, some people give credit to Sammy (and even Gibson) for that. While cricket is a team game, it does require individual performances. If a guy like Gibson can be instrumental in keeping several decent players out of the team, his effect is definitely negative. And Sammy is definitely keeping one decent player out of the team- he can do a great service to his team by not playing in the next match, and allowing a spinner to play in his place.

  • jibbajibbi on May 23, 2012, 3:00 GMT

    Here's why people see positives in West Indies' defeats. There is not any dependence on one person. Think about it, its the same scores on the scoreboard but instead of a one man army, the young players are fighting to keep their places. If they continue to fight and a man such as Gayle should come in, then there would be a shift from competitive defeats to victories for the West Indies.

  • on May 22, 2012, 18:38 GMT

    Is this guy (Sammy) for real?he continuously sees' positives in defeat,this dude is a glutton for punishment.An embarrassment to WI cricket....he is....if you ask me.

  • SoLucien on May 22, 2012, 16:56 GMT

    I think we should stop bashing Sammy. As far as i am concerned he has not impressed me as a player but neithrt have most of the other players with the exception of Chiv, Bravo and Roach. Sammy didnt pick himself, the selectors did. Those other players didnt pick themselves the selectors did. Realistically people there is nothing else Sammy can say after a defeat. If he said the obvious to whose benefit would it be? I know alot of ppl here and in the rest of the caribbean dislike Gayle and other sidelined senior players for whatever reason but we need to find ways of reforming, including and compensating these players in the interest of continuity. I know i will get opposition on this but in the region now what incentive is there for a young cricketer to aspire to? Wouldnt he be better of off trying track n field, basketball or football. Adminstrators of the game need to take stock of what is going on in the interest of the sistainability and longevity of the game in the region.

  • wifedupfan on May 22, 2012, 16:54 GMT

    let's face it. sammy is NOT a penetrative bowler and should never be one of the four main bowlers. one of the reasons we have allowed strong positions to slip away is that we lacked the killer instinct bacuse of the limited bowling options. when your top two bowlers are tired you must be able to rely on strong support from two other very good bowlers...how on earth are we goin to attempt to get the upper hand by having sammy bowl?...if the management insists that he captains the side then let the wkpr (ramdin) bat at no.6, sammy at no.7 and then the four front line bowlers (from roach, rampaul, edwards, shillingford, gabriel...and narine of course....we have a few to choose from obviously)...to support this, given that the top 3 batsmen are failing (barath included), drop one and bring in a bowler!!!

  • SDHM on May 22, 2012, 16:20 GMT

    WhoCaresAboutIPL - the difference between Gayle and Sehwag is that Sehwag was coming off an injury; at least Gayle's been playing. Coming in from 20/20 to open the innings at Trent Bridge, with the ball hooping around corners like it usually does up there, would be one of the biggest adjustments in world cricket though, so can you really see him coming in and making an instant impact?

  • KeepingitReal on May 22, 2012, 16:19 GMT

    Do any of the posters calling for Gibson's head remember what happened the last time WI played England at Lords (2009)? Gayle, Sarwan, Nash and Taylor were playing, and WI got beaten inside 3 days by 10 wickets! While I agree that WI needs to be aiming for victories, there is no doubt that this team is improving with less talent and a better work ethic!

  • on May 22, 2012, 16:05 GMT

    WI cricket today is in a state where a "Drawn game is a Moral Victory" and taking the match to the fifth day is an accomplishment. This is true given the make up of the team but the fact is the WICB is happy continuing in this manner. A great shame considering the talent and proven ability of those omitted from this tour. There should be a better blend of experience and raw talent to ensure continued competitive balance and effective groomng of such talent.

  • kantipur on May 22, 2012, 15:28 GMT

    Gayle might have gone to IPL but what about Sarwan and Taylor. Why are those players unhappy with management ? Sammy might be a good one day cricketer but surely he does not belong to the test match.

  • KDoc on May 22, 2012, 14:22 GMT

    England was scared, more than once. They were wondering what Shannon will bowl, looking at him in the nets, observing his action etc; 54/4 down, you can hear the difference in the voices of the English commentators. WI did well, but need a better bowling combination. And poor shot selection, e.g Keiron Powell hooking a ball from outside his offstump to square??? At lease Sammy owned up to his foolish shot selection that got him out. And the top order has to start firing and stop depending on Chanderpaul !!!

  • SoLucien on May 22, 2012, 14:03 GMT

    I think we should stop bashing Sammy. As far as i am concerned he as not impressed me as a player but so have most of the other players with the exception of Chiv, Bravo and Roach. Sammy did pick himself, the selectors did. Those other players didnt pick themselves the players did. Realistically people there is nothing else Sammy can say after a defeat. If he said the obvious to whose benefit would it be? I know alot of ppl here and in the rest of the caribbean dislike Gayle and other sidelined senior players for whatever reason but we need to find ways of reforming, including and compensating these players in the interest of continuity. I know i will get opposition on this but in the region now what incentive is there for a young cricketer to aspire to? Wouldnt he be better of off trying track n field, basketball or football. Adminstrators of the game need to take stock of what is going on in the interest of the sistainability and longevity of the game in the region.

  • on May 22, 2012, 13:43 GMT

    I have never seen a captain that is so limited to a few syllabus like same, it is the same tune match in, match out, lost after lost, "Please despite lost" or "We take positives from this lost" Jah is like the guy is reading a movie script. I mean how many corners does West Indies have to turn? This must be a straight corner!

  • athem79 on May 22, 2012, 13:36 GMT

    One of the best performances by WI team in the last 5 years. They are gradually moving up the curve. A win here would seriously bring the best out of all. Currently it is only Chanderpaul who has been consistently contributing. Also, WI should have Naraine and Gayle in the playing 11. . . not having them in the squad is good for opponents.

  • Dashgar on May 22, 2012, 13:05 GMT

    I cringe reading this headline. Yes they competed well but they lost again. I'm not disappointed in them for losing but they should be disappointed. They continue to improve and in a tough series like this it is enough to be competitive when you are so outgunned. But you shouldn't be pleased. You should be extra motivated to get out there again and have a go at winning. Being content with this performance will mean West Indies will become content with losing. Windies are turning the corner, they rely more on youth now than they have in my lifetime (only Chanders and Samuels are over 30), but they aren't the finished article so must improve each performance.

  • Rally_Windies on May 22, 2012, 12:40 GMT

    always, happy with loss ... always happy with loss ......

    always fight to get themselves a chance at winning, and then back off because they don't really care to win.

  • YorkshirePudding on May 22, 2012, 12:28 GMT

    @creekeetman, well considering Sammy is a bowler who can bat the stats arnt that bad, AVG 31.25 with the ball and 19.46 with the Bat. that would get him a place in most teams ranked 5 or lower. and who's instilled this new Discipline? Sammy and Gibson, which I agree is a move forward, but theres still work to do, the pieces are there and with a more experienced top order they may well have been a lot more competative this game, However there were positives, Samuals 37 & 80, Barath 42 & 24, Ramdin 43, what cost them were the two school boy run-outs which were easy wickets. Sometimes you need to lose in order to learn, lets see who they perform in the next test before drawing any conclusions.

  • ross1235 on May 22, 2012, 12:23 GMT

    The performance was a bit easier to watch than usual. I have been watching WI cricket for 20+ years and this was one of their better performances of the past 3 years. Chanderpaul is the backbone of the batting for this team and he needs other batsmen to support him, samuels did in the 2nd innings but samuels is quite an inconsistent batsmen. The bowling was par with Roach being the only real attack. They need a spinner in there Shillingfood was good in the caribbean so hopefully he canbe of use here and it would also be nice to see Narine come from the IPL to play some test cricket. Bravo, Barath, Ramdhin and Powell need to be consistently making runs!!

  • JM_RSA on May 22, 2012, 12:08 GMT

    WI should find a another coach and skipper. Sammy is a club cricketer at best. He not an all rounder or a 1st change bowler. Otis Gibson is terrible at player management. They have lost all their senior players and their best batter (chanders) was told to retire. How the selectors and the WICB continue justify such poor decisions.

  • on May 22, 2012, 12:08 GMT

    Shame on him,he has been telling the same after every match since 3-4 series . Pleased !LOL!

  • myaqoob on May 22, 2012, 11:49 GMT

    Chris Gayle Adrain Barath Lendl Simmions Darren Bravo Ramnaresh Sarwan Marloon Samuels Chanderpaul Andre Russel Fidel Edwards Ravi Rampaul Roach

    Play Lendl Simmion as WK

  • on May 22, 2012, 11:23 GMT

    Sammy thinks putting up a small fight is only what is required from his team , man it's a professional team with abundant talent, they have to win, loosing with a fight is not enough

  • on May 22, 2012, 11:06 GMT

    Oh Boy, when will we get rid of this captain and coach and that CEO and Chairman, let them know we see and hear what is going on; WI cricket is now run by a small cabal and the bigger islands say nothing until sister P spoke up. This era will be remembered as the lost years of WI cricket. The worst part about it is that if we continue to get beaten like this these young players will not recover from thes defeats and when they start to fail we will recycle them.Otis Gibson should be sent reeling as coach, his overall figures are disgusting he is a bowling coach and could be retained in that capacity but he aint no man manager and he should be the first to admit that he could have done this thing differently. Chanderpaul refuses to look at batting higher and that tells me a lot. If eng having trouble outing him shouldnt he come in earlier to maximise his potential and to lessen the slide that comes early. Isnt that just common sense. If Eng cant out him we should maximise that.

  • creekeetman on May 22, 2012, 10:25 GMT

    @ yorkshirepuddig, the WI have been "turning the corner" for the last 15 years... only problem is they are on a straight road going no where. the so called improvement and competitiveness is really an illusion created by chanderpaul's existance on the team. without him WI would lose badly within 3 days. as for sammy being the future.. c'mon man look at his poor stats, his horrible captaincy and worst of all his pathetic defeatest mentality. sammy does'nt deserve to be on the team, and only when he's gone will there possibly be a chance for WI to move forward. they have some good players to work with, and disipline has been brought into the squad... so at least there are some positives.

  • KingofRedLions on May 22, 2012, 10:15 GMT

    Anyone would think the Windies haven't even remotely improved with the comments in this article. Some incredibly reactionary opinions. They are slowly improving. Everyone should be able to see that. Sammy is absolutely correct. They will continue to improve, to the point where the only pleasing thing will be winning, and they'll be able to do so regularly. It's not like they have a lot to work with player-wise.

  • Arthaurian on May 22, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    I really like the WI team. But it's hard to like a team that is pleased by defeat. I mean, your the captain of a premier national side, how can you say you're pleased by defeat? What are your fans supposed to feel? What are they supposed to think? I mean, I know cricketers are not honest about their opinions -since they live in a world where everything is just perfect - but this is just taking it too far. I'm telling you if I were a West Indies civilian I'd stop supporting the team all together. The fans are already heart-broken at the defeat yet their captain is pleased by a defeat. Well, you know what Sammy, I hope England beat you again and again and AGAIN, until you are not pleased...

  • S.h.a.d.a.b on May 22, 2012, 10:07 GMT

    I am a Pakistani Fan. West Indies has been my second best team all my life. I am shocked to litsen a captain is pleased of a defeat. I am so much angry that how can one be satify after losing. Dear Sammy, I like you but you should be sorry to W.I cricket team global fans. Ofcourse the team did better than last decade but still far from winning the series which is worry sign that after so many years, WI is unable to compete in international cricket. You must compare yourself with top 4 then comment pls.

  • mukesh_LOVE.cricket on May 22, 2012, 9:05 GMT

    Sammy is a nice guy and all but then he is playing for WI , not Canada or Kenya , this kind of attitude is not going to take them anywhere , this 'we are rebuilding' theme has been going around for too long now , may be their board will wake up after this series and do something to fix it

  • mukesh_LOVE.cricket on May 22, 2012, 9:00 GMT

    This is the problem with w indies , like harsha bhogle said they are caught in a mentality that is doomed to fail , I have no idea how WI is going to deal with top class teams in coming years , only positive thing for them is 37 year old chanderpaul and some inspiring spells from roach , other than that and possibly bravo they are simply not good enough to win consistently

  • YorkshirePudding on May 22, 2012, 8:25 GMT

    The West indies are at the point england were in 2000, just turning the corner, and they are competative at the moment, though thier inexperience is showing by not being able to shut off the valve to slow the runs when sides are chasing a target or bowl consistent lines to take wickets. Before they can start winning they need to start drawing these types of games. At the moment I feel Sammy and Gibson are the right people to start the process, just as Nass and Fletch were for England, expect to see this team flourish in 3-4 years.

  • WhoCaresAboutIPL on May 22, 2012, 7:54 GMT

    All the proponents of Gayle may look at the corresponding India series last year and how Sehwag was going to score 300 and put Broad to the sword. Result: a king pair! Form in 20:20 in India means little in test cricket.....

  • on May 22, 2012, 7:38 GMT

    They should stop trying to compete and just try to win, then they'll win... Even against the number 1 team in the world on their own turf where they have only lost 2 tests in the last 3 years. Just try to win, Genius! The team is progressing and they have the right team ethic and practices, now they need the best players playing and buying into the team ethic as well.

  • on May 22, 2012, 7:36 GMT

    West indies again repeat same mistake inspite being Fighting spiritedly,They made match of it in the second inning where in past they crumble badly to give oppsotion Inning victory,But once having England reeling at 57-4 in pursuit of samll but tricky 191 target West Indians must have applied more pressure on the Englishman, the same mistake they done against Australia in home where they were dominant most of the series but ended up loosing 2-0

  • RaiseTheBar on May 22, 2012, 7:28 GMT

    Sorry Sammy, can't back the "pleased" comment. You compete to win not to be competitive . . .

  • on May 22, 2012, 7:22 GMT

    You can't keep losing and still take positives from the match. The top order still has problems and bowlers keep breaking down. They can't rely on Chanderpaul to bail them out all the time, he is now the new Lara who always scores with no support around him. Although the lower order did add some decent runs it is the top order which must set the foundations for a good total. WI haven't learnt from their mistakes. Although there are positives, there is still plenty of room for improvement. No other batsmen is as good as Chanderpaul and no other bowler is as good as Roach. They are the two standouts but they need support from the others. Samuels played a role in erasing the deficit but they need more people like that, Gabriel is in his 1st test but he can build on the experience. The 2nd test begins on Friday.

  • oberon on May 22, 2012, 6:53 GMT

    I have to agree with most of what was said here. What complete drivel from Sammy! The WI did not start playing Test Cricket last year. We are not just 'trying to figure this out' and take any positives we can. Play after lunch yesterday and reading this article has me physically upset. The cure may not be Gayle, Sarwan et al but we need to get rid of Sammy and his management backers. He seems to bring mediocrity to the team. 'We tried our best guys, thats good enough' What the hell? Since when has that become our proud people?

  • abyrao on May 22, 2012, 6:47 GMT

    Today if Gayle was the captain then Dwayne Bravo would be playing and not Sammy. Luckily despite trying they could not ruin Shivs career. So Sammy and Gibson should just shuddup as they have no respect in the entire world. Even in this match Shillingford could not play because they cant drop Sammy.

  • on May 22, 2012, 6:32 GMT

    you serious at the moment saying your pleased with defeat damn, how can he say that what does he offer the team at best an number 8 in the order and third change bowler come on. shillingford took 10 wickets in last test match cant get a game west indies will get rolled 3 nil easily i wonder why the west indies only play 3 test series now instead of 5 work it out

  • on May 22, 2012, 5:57 GMT

    I think Darren Sammy is not serious enough..WI is a Test Playing nation..he should not forget..How many times he would go on and say that he is pleased with the performance despite the defeat...I think the problem is that they don't want to win..They are just there to compete..the moment they realise that they are playing cricket not to compete but to win...all the problems will be solved.. Darren Sammy is not a captaincy and test material..Come on WICB get Sarwan in, when a batsman is in his 30s thats the time he is in his prime and he can win matches for you..By the way does anybody know where is Jerome Taylor or just to make room for Sammy in the squad he was made a scapegoat?

  • srinideva on May 22, 2012, 5:28 GMT

    Same dialougue for long period of time... He shouldn`t be in the test side for his calibre... bring gayle and sarwan, give what they deserve. Finally gibson should be out of the dressing room for his mindless speech.

  • anver777 on May 22, 2012, 4:56 GMT

    I agree with Sammy,WI played better in this test....... another 50 runs would have been handy for them !!!!!

  • satish619chandar on May 22, 2012, 3:34 GMT

    WI has now competed well against India in India, In home against Australia and now in this test in England.. They should stop the "We are happy we competed" and look on to win the games.. Competing well should increase your confidence and hunger to win.. Competing and losing/drawing games that you should have won will not do any good to the earned momentum.. I think WI is now in more good shape and decent frame of mind to think about dominating test matches.. Rampaul in next game will be a obvious choice to make.. Improving Gabriel or unlucky Edwards is the question..

  • on May 22, 2012, 3:29 GMT

    Are you serious Darren Sammy, West Indian teams do not tour England to demonstrate a never say die attitude and lose. West Indian teams are supposed to go England to give them a sound thrashing, plain and simple.

  • on May 22, 2012, 3:17 GMT

    Some of our so called WI fans who keep calling for Gayle must now notice that he has not won a Championship for his side despite all the fanfare and big scores. Never quite doing it when it is really needed. They have never seen Narine bowl in a Test match but they are so convinced. WE all need to grow up and either be committed fans (win or lose) or we are just be waggonist which i think most are, only cheering when the side is winning. I have been let down lots of times but this my team no matter what. This side did pretty well despite not having their best players but these guys have heart and they will come through.

  • on May 22, 2012, 1:27 GMT

    Bring in Gayle, Rampaul and Narine/Shillingford and the WI will be world beaters again. Drop Edwards, Sammy and one of the openers.

  • on May 22, 2012, 1:17 GMT

    i think champion teams are build through generations.... i think right at this point, india and Aus for example arent as strong as they use to be with most of their major players moving on.... WI still have most of their guys with a couple up n comers but they choose to drop them.... all i gotta say is, Gayle,Sarwan,Taylor,Bravo and have the new comer Narine and Russel would have made a big difference in a couple close series they've had.... Sammy has spirit and passion yes but that doesnt mean he can play maybe he should become an umpire or commentator........... (GAYLE,K EDWARDS,SARWAN,SHIV,DM BRAVO/SAMUELS,DJ-BRAVO,RAMDIN,TAYLOR,ROACH,RAMPAUL,NARINE) dont that look like a strong WI team?

  • Ncnotorious on May 22, 2012, 0:22 GMT

    Shiv was single handedly responsible for the game going into the 5th day...In the WI 2nd innings after Shiv came to the crease, Samuels and Ramdin started batting with purpose, then Sammy came in and changed the mentality, got out shortly after and it all went downhill. We all know thats the only thing u can do Sammy, but atleast TRY to buckle down when ur team needs u and play a proper test innings...Its about both runs and spending time at the crease, and most of the time if you do the latter in test cricket, you get runs.

  • on May 21, 2012, 23:38 GMT

    Fans it seems as if Sammy is talking a tape recorder to the post match interview because he is using the same nonsense of the team is heading in the right direction at all his post match interview. How can he say the team is improving when it is the same 3 are 4 guys who are performing in every match. He will not be able to change his talk of the team is heading in the right direction until he him self and the rest of under performing members start performing.

  • Puffin on May 21, 2012, 22:25 GMT

    I'm sure Sammy is pleased but I have this nagging suspicion that this improvement might be short lived. Shiv isn't going to play forever, and there's not that much there to take over his role when he goes. The bowling got tired very quickly this morning, no doubt tired of having to make up for inadequate batting.

    Meanwhile England have got started on the season with a win, and they can't be as rusty next time.

  • Nerk on May 21, 2012, 22:04 GMT

    Edwards was in the time because Rampaul had a neck injury. Edwards was going into the match without an injury. Sammy needs to take charge and promote himself before Ramdin. His batting has improved, but he needs to take some responsibility and bat higher and for longer. He has the ability, but can he do it. The Windies would have been better off with a spinner in this test, just to add a bit of variety at the least. Shillingford may even have been a matchwinner, there was a little bit of rough in the morning, and given Englands questionable performances against spin in recent months, he may have ripped through the line up. Overall, the Windies should be happier with this performance when compared to their last trip to England. But there comes a point where the 'happy to lose in a close match' excuse falters, and you have to say 'we should have won this match.'

  • landl47 on May 21, 2012, 22:01 GMT

    The WI side put up a spirited fight and it is no disgrace to lose to England in England- every touring side for the last 3 years has done so. Roach and Chanderpaul were the stars, but there were some good supporting roles and Gabriel looked useful on debut. This definitely looks a more motivated and unified team than we've seen for a while and with a lot of young players growing together they could be very handy in a few years' time. I do think they made a mistake in omitting Shillingford and Fidel Edwards looks to have shot his bolt. Otherwise, I think it would be a big error to bring Gayle, Sarwan, etc. back into the test team. Those guys had their time and did nothing. Keep their bad attitudes out of the side and let the young players develop.

  • braindead_rocker on May 21, 2012, 21:18 GMT

    Sammy should think of batting higher and also bat purposefully, he needs some fifites to justify his place....Shane shillingford was actually the REAL difference in the match..Could he have swung this the Windies way? Considering England's aversion to playing spin..who knows!

  • on May 21, 2012, 21:10 GMT

    Bring in Gayle, Rampaul, Sarwan (?) and Narine and WI have a more than decent team. Still think Sammy is not worth his place, but who will captain if we accept it can't be Gayle?

  • on May 21, 2012, 21:04 GMT

    Stop being pleased in defeats.. Grow up Sammy

  • on May 21, 2012, 20:35 GMT

    Pleased? are you kidding me? How could you be pleased with every loss? I am disappointed with the batting and lack of support for Roach. The way Sammy gave his wicket away in the second innngs was scandalous. The batsmen owed the bowlers at least 75 more runs for England to chase. Also why do we persist with Fidel (back-pain) Edwards in tests? He should paly limited over games only. It's time to bite the bullet with Fidel. The captain should demand that the batsmen do better instead of this continued satisfaction with also ran. It's time to win, period.

  • noplay on May 21, 2012, 20:34 GMT

    Sammy is dead wrong and until they admit was is wrong they will continue to lose. The batsmen do not have to stand up and bat. The selectors have to pick the right players. All the old talk about fitness, why was Fidel Edwards on the team? Sammy came in in the second innings as if he had just arrived for the Bangladesh Premier League and he looked foolish getting out. Shiv scored more than 30 percent of the West Indies runs and stayed at the wicket for a total 82 overs. Fifth day indeed! That had nothing to do with Sammy and Gibson.

  • on May 21, 2012, 20:25 GMT

    Fans, how many times we have heard Sammy saying "I have let the team down" Sammy bowled too long in the second innings. How can they say Shillingford was feeling too cold to be selected. WI knows without Sarwan, Chanderpaul should bat at number three or four and only Gibson can make this happen but he is not a fan of Chanderpaul. When people lke Holding say things they say about Chanderpaul, they do not help at all. Can anyone recall why Chanderpaul gave up the captaincy? A winning WI team will include Gayle, Sarwan, Dwayne Bravo with Pollard, Smith, Russell and Sunil Narine in for the one dayers but this means there will be no room for Sammy so this will not ever happen. West Indian fans will continue to see an almost, nearly or come close win type of cricket from this Otis Gibson selection.

  • Nadeem1976 on May 21, 2012, 20:09 GMT

    Good job WI, for once yesterday i thought WI is going to win it but they did not as usual. WI lack quality bowlers who can take wickets on any surface. Best of luck to westindies for their next matches but they let this opportunity go this time around.

  • YorkshirePudding on May 21, 2012, 19:50 GMT

    A very good performance for a young team, especially during Day 3 & 4 where they fought back to gain a lead and put england under early pressure in the run chase. It was a shame that inexperience prevented them getting more wickets. Hopefully at Trent bridge next week they dont go with a 4 man pace attack, and have Shillingford as the spin option to apply more pressure to the England batting team.

  • ranpath on May 21, 2012, 19:20 GMT

    WI are depending on ONE bowler and ONE batsman. Occasionally one of the other bowlers will take a slew of wickets or one of the other batsmen will "come good". The captain himself is not a consistent performer and can barely hold his place as a main bowler. As for the coach.. he announced his intent to play a four prong pace attack days before the game and proceeded to do just that. If Gibson had the options that England had ( Onions, Tremlett, ..) I could understand. Additionally England, playing at home ( and they should know their pitches better than anyone ) still included Swann ( if not available I'm sure that Panesar or Shamad ? would have been used ) along with THREE pacers. Makes you wonder if Gibson knows what he is doing.....

  • on May 21, 2012, 18:59 GMT

    Fidel Edwards is the most overrated player on the team. How many know that Sammy has a better bowling record than Edwards? Bringing in Rampaul for Edwards in the 2nd test is a no-brainer. Also, Gabriel should be given a rest to make way for Shillingford. By the way, if Chris Gayle makes it back for the tests, it won't exactly be the SECOND COMING that many fans are expecting! The man is known to be an impulsive batsman, and that, coupled with the recent upheavals, not to mention being in a T-20 frame of mind, might prevent him from being effective in the tests. But whatever the case, the team should improve, and Sammy should be even more pleased!

  • Asraf12 on May 21, 2012, 18:42 GMT

    Sammy and this WICD buddies are always please, how can you be please and closing. Sammy favorite words; Oh there are lots of positives we just have to keep working hard and find a win in there, Keep on dreaming. for Success one have to crate the environment and ease the opportunity. If u ask me Sammy should even been in the TEST Team.

  • on May 21, 2012, 18:26 GMT

    I am WI fan for 15 years. I want to see Good WI team after Brian Lara retirement. But i don't have luck. But hope they will come as a better team.

    Sammy has the attitude to tell the whole world like WI team is nothing. They are improving and improving. He is telling it all the time. It is his rhyme. I am honestly telling He is not a good captain for Test matches. He is playing Test match like limited over game. His team also plays like that other than Chanderpaul. Some players(bravo, bowlers) took Chanderpaul as model an playing like Test match. I wanna WI selectors that when a player does not know to play Test match, How he can lead a team in a brighter side in Test Cricket? Grow up Selectors.

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  • on May 21, 2012, 18:26 GMT

    I am WI fan for 15 years. I want to see Good WI team after Brian Lara retirement. But i don't have luck. But hope they will come as a better team.

    Sammy has the attitude to tell the whole world like WI team is nothing. They are improving and improving. He is telling it all the time. It is his rhyme. I am honestly telling He is not a good captain for Test matches. He is playing Test match like limited over game. His team also plays like that other than Chanderpaul. Some players(bravo, bowlers) took Chanderpaul as model an playing like Test match. I wanna WI selectors that when a player does not know to play Test match, How he can lead a team in a brighter side in Test Cricket? Grow up Selectors.

  • Asraf12 on May 21, 2012, 18:42 GMT

    Sammy and this WICD buddies are always please, how can you be please and closing. Sammy favorite words; Oh there are lots of positives we just have to keep working hard and find a win in there, Keep on dreaming. for Success one have to crate the environment and ease the opportunity. If u ask me Sammy should even been in the TEST Team.

  • on May 21, 2012, 18:59 GMT

    Fidel Edwards is the most overrated player on the team. How many know that Sammy has a better bowling record than Edwards? Bringing in Rampaul for Edwards in the 2nd test is a no-brainer. Also, Gabriel should be given a rest to make way for Shillingford. By the way, if Chris Gayle makes it back for the tests, it won't exactly be the SECOND COMING that many fans are expecting! The man is known to be an impulsive batsman, and that, coupled with the recent upheavals, not to mention being in a T-20 frame of mind, might prevent him from being effective in the tests. But whatever the case, the team should improve, and Sammy should be even more pleased!

  • ranpath on May 21, 2012, 19:20 GMT

    WI are depending on ONE bowler and ONE batsman. Occasionally one of the other bowlers will take a slew of wickets or one of the other batsmen will "come good". The captain himself is not a consistent performer and can barely hold his place as a main bowler. As for the coach.. he announced his intent to play a four prong pace attack days before the game and proceeded to do just that. If Gibson had the options that England had ( Onions, Tremlett, ..) I could understand. Additionally England, playing at home ( and they should know their pitches better than anyone ) still included Swann ( if not available I'm sure that Panesar or Shamad ? would have been used ) along with THREE pacers. Makes you wonder if Gibson knows what he is doing.....

  • YorkshirePudding on May 21, 2012, 19:50 GMT

    A very good performance for a young team, especially during Day 3 & 4 where they fought back to gain a lead and put england under early pressure in the run chase. It was a shame that inexperience prevented them getting more wickets. Hopefully at Trent bridge next week they dont go with a 4 man pace attack, and have Shillingford as the spin option to apply more pressure to the England batting team.

  • Nadeem1976 on May 21, 2012, 20:09 GMT

    Good job WI, for once yesterday i thought WI is going to win it but they did not as usual. WI lack quality bowlers who can take wickets on any surface. Best of luck to westindies for their next matches but they let this opportunity go this time around.

  • on May 21, 2012, 20:25 GMT

    Fans, how many times we have heard Sammy saying "I have let the team down" Sammy bowled too long in the second innings. How can they say Shillingford was feeling too cold to be selected. WI knows without Sarwan, Chanderpaul should bat at number three or four and only Gibson can make this happen but he is not a fan of Chanderpaul. When people lke Holding say things they say about Chanderpaul, they do not help at all. Can anyone recall why Chanderpaul gave up the captaincy? A winning WI team will include Gayle, Sarwan, Dwayne Bravo with Pollard, Smith, Russell and Sunil Narine in for the one dayers but this means there will be no room for Sammy so this will not ever happen. West Indian fans will continue to see an almost, nearly or come close win type of cricket from this Otis Gibson selection.

  • noplay on May 21, 2012, 20:34 GMT

    Sammy is dead wrong and until they admit was is wrong they will continue to lose. The batsmen do not have to stand up and bat. The selectors have to pick the right players. All the old talk about fitness, why was Fidel Edwards on the team? Sammy came in in the second innings as if he had just arrived for the Bangladesh Premier League and he looked foolish getting out. Shiv scored more than 30 percent of the West Indies runs and stayed at the wicket for a total 82 overs. Fifth day indeed! That had nothing to do with Sammy and Gibson.

  • on May 21, 2012, 20:35 GMT

    Pleased? are you kidding me? How could you be pleased with every loss? I am disappointed with the batting and lack of support for Roach. The way Sammy gave his wicket away in the second innngs was scandalous. The batsmen owed the bowlers at least 75 more runs for England to chase. Also why do we persist with Fidel (back-pain) Edwards in tests? He should paly limited over games only. It's time to bite the bullet with Fidel. The captain should demand that the batsmen do better instead of this continued satisfaction with also ran. It's time to win, period.

  • on May 21, 2012, 21:04 GMT

    Stop being pleased in defeats.. Grow up Sammy