England v West Indies, 3rd Test, Edgbaston, 4th day June 10, 2012

Ramdin's message to Sir Viv

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Statement of the day

When Denesh Ramdin completed the second Test century of a career that has, to date, promised somewhat more than he has delivered, he celebrated in unusual fashion. He dropped his bat and produced a piece of paper from his pocket which contained a pointed message to Sir Viv Richards. "Yea Viv talk nah" it read; a reaction to some criticism Richards had made of Ramdin's recent performances. "He has deteriorated in such a big way," Richards was reported as saying before this game. Viv was distinctly underwhelmed by Ramdin's statement. "That innings was a long time coming," he told the BBC. "If you are given enough chances then you will get it done." He went on to suggest that Ramdin's innings did not come in a pressure situation: "This was in a losing cause. If, in a football match, you are losing 5-0 and then score a goal in the last minute, you would not jump for joy. I set my standards a little higher."

England's record of the day

When Andrew Strauss ran back from slip to cling on to a top edge from Tino Best, there was a sigh right around Edgbaston. Few around the ground would have resented Best a Test century. But it was also a wicket that equalled the record for the most Test catches by an England player. England's captain, playing his 97th Test, has now claimed as many catches as Ian Botham, who played 102 Tests but fielded in five fewer innings. It was a timely reminder of the contribution Strauss makes to this England team in addition to his batting and his captaincy. If the last couple of days have taught England anything, it is that the importance of reliable slip fielders cannot be over stated. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/fielding/most_catches_career.html?class=1;id=1;type=team Later Kevin Pietersen also drew level with Ian Botham's tally of sixes hit in Test cricket. Both men have now hit 67, though Pietersen has played 87 Tests. Andrew Flintoff, with 78 sixes from his 78 Tests, is the only Englishman to have hit more. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283122.html

Best moment

There were so many enjoyable moments in Best's innings: the way he held the pose after a stroke - whether he had connected or not - and some of the exuberant shots he played. But perhaps the most joyful moment of them all came when Best reached his 50: the uninhibited celebrations, the punching of the air, the roars of delight: he could not have appeared more happy had he won the lottery on the day he cured cancer. And why not? With a Test batting average under 10 and a gap of all but three years since his last Test, this was a day that few could thought they would see. Best went on to record the highest score by a No. 11 in the history of Test cricket in one of the most unlikely passages of play in modern times.

Second Best moment It is hard not to warm to him. Anyone who has an answerphone message that states "You're through to Tino Best, fastest bowler in the world; can't take your call, I'm training to be even faster," simply cannot be all bad. He is certainly entertaining: blessed with exhilarating pace, he made Strauss look most uncomfortable - not least with a thigh high full toss that Strauss seemed to lose completely - and eventually removed a rattled-looking England captain through an unusually poor flash outside off stump. It was Best's first Test wicket since July 10, 2009. Whether he remains the man - or one of the men - West Indies require to help them build a brighter future remains to be seen. But while he is involved, life is sure to be entertaining.

Drop of the day

History may recall that Sunil Narine endured a slightly disappointing Test debut. Much vaunted - unfairly, really - despite the fact that he had played just six first-class games and confronted with some decent batsmen and an unforgiving surface, he struggled to find the right length and was punished for more than four-and-a-half an over. He enjoyed no fortune, however. Had Adrian Barath, rising too early at short leg and failing to cling on to a tough chance, held on to a catch offered by Ian Bell on 20, perhaps the day may have ended differently. As it is, Narine remains a very talented, very raw bowler. Marlon Samuels out-bowled him here.

Shot of the day

There were many memorable strokes played on day four of this Test. While Bell's late cut for four off Ravi Rampaul - a stroke that was played with power, precision and grace - was possibly not the most memorable, it was, arguably, the most beautiful. Whatever Bell's travails over the winter and whatever his fortunes in the future, there is little doubt that he times the ball with a grace given to very few.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • JG2704 on June 12, 2012, 15:44 GMT

    @Somerset-Richard on (June 11 2012, 09:27 AM GMT) By the same token , do you not think Viv could have responded a bit better ? To call a 100 meaningless is totally unhelpful. He might be the greatest batsman of the last 40 years but I didn't notice one remark of an encouraging note by Viv for Ramdin

  • on June 12, 2012, 5:59 GMT

    Good luck ramdin for future and you are the best wkb !

  • on June 11, 2012, 15:04 GMT

    I would love to see Ramdin go on to great things. He is still young and can contribute to the development of WI cricket. I celebrate this joyous moment with him, but I have to say his reaction to Viv was not appropriate. As a public person he has to expect to be criticized, and One should let those criticism motivate them to do better. I hope Ramdin mature more from hereon, both as a cricketer, and an individual who can take a deserved criticism.

  • on June 11, 2012, 13:34 GMT

    i think the criticism is something good. it seemed to motivated ramdin to bat long. i hope this is just not a one time thing and he continues getting scores like this. a little "war" among veteran players and young ones are good. i think it's a good learning process for ramdin. best of luck.....

  • stanlee on June 11, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    Ramdin's comments reveal a player who has been under enormous pressure for some time.He has been in and out of the team-his fault admittedly-but the bigger issue is Richards' selective criticism of only certain players.Additionally Richards' 'outbursts on and off the cricket field have been well documented.It doesn't excuse Ramdin's behavior but Richards went beyond the pale and his criticism of the player bordered on the personal-hardly the role of an objective analyst.As if to prove my point even in his response to Ramdin's century, his comments were rather negative.Past accomplishments of the former great does not give him the right to be destructive from the safety of the press box.I would say that he got a dose of his own well documented medicine.

  • jmcilhinney on June 11, 2012, 13:23 GMT

    @Hari Prasanth on (June 11 2012, 09:45 AM GMT), surely it's a responsibility to from the box. That's what they're in the box for. It's not really a professional commentators job to arbitrarily give advice to a team or team member. I don't know all the facts but, from what I've heard, the WI board and coaching staff aren't really all that keen to have some of the old players around the team. Maybe they figure too many strong influences may make it harder to keep order. Regardless, I'm sure Ramdin has heard Richards criticise other players, both from WI and elsewhere, so why should he take it so personally now, given that he wasn't performing? Has he got a note for whoever dropped him from the team last time? The note was a childish move, plain and simple. If someone criticises your batting, answer with your batting.

  • on June 11, 2012, 9:45 GMT

    Remember it is easy to talk from the box. One needs to know about the team which has a long tail and Ramdin comes at the end and has to bat with the tail. Ramdin is not a player like Dhoni, Sangakara, Boucher, Gilly or Brendon. He plays within himself so you can`t expect much from him. One can say he is capable in flat track and not in seaming or bouncy pitches. So, who ever may be if you want a player or a team to do well go there and speak to them offer them advice give them some tips rather than commenting publicly.The people who criticize don`t go voluntarliy to give tips instead they want others to come up to them. When time available people like Akram, Kumble,go to the needy to give tips. Remember not everyone can take criticism including the so called greats.

  • Somerset-Richard on June 11, 2012, 9:27 GMT

    Lets put this into perspective, shall we? Firstly well done Denesh Ramdin on scoring your second test century in your 45th test match. Well done also on improving your test batting average above the 22 point something, where it previously stood, all on a day when your partner, a number 11 batsman, narrowly missed out on his own century. Sir Vivian Richards, one of the all time great test cricketers, who has seen them all come and go over the last 40 years, has earned the right to express an opinion (in fact an encouraging and positive one) about a player who has failed so far to live up to expectations. Hopefully Ramdin will realise that this was unnecessarily disrespectful to a widely respected and much loved man, and publicly offer the apology that Sir Viv is due. Well done Tino Best! Your joyous and smiling performance was a reminder of how West Indian cricket used to be played, back in the days when we Poms could only look on and admire!

  • JG2704 on June 11, 2012, 7:13 GMT

    To be honest - and I'm a big Viv fan and he comes across extremely well on the radio - I think Viv could have given Ramdin a bit more credit for the century. Ramdin came in when WI were 152-5 and surely at that point Eng would have fancied their chances of dismissing WI for around 220-230 and before close on Saturday. Surely the fact that WI scored another 270 runs while Ramdin was there and took the WI from a distinct possibility of another defeat to a position of superiority in a game which will likely fade to a draw suggests that Ramdin at least hypothetically scored an equalizer rather than a consolation goal when 5-0 down. I'm not saying Viv should have withdrawn his criticism but he could have said something like "Well done sir , now please continue to prove me wrong" . I hope Ramdin doesn't get fined or reprimanded too badly.

  • on June 11, 2012, 6:18 GMT

    fantastic one from ramdin....as a young player he looks upto viv and instead of helping fellow countrymen by giving some encouragement viv goes on air saying ramdin has nothing to offer...must have hurt ramdin..

  • JG2704 on June 12, 2012, 15:44 GMT

    @Somerset-Richard on (June 11 2012, 09:27 AM GMT) By the same token , do you not think Viv could have responded a bit better ? To call a 100 meaningless is totally unhelpful. He might be the greatest batsman of the last 40 years but I didn't notice one remark of an encouraging note by Viv for Ramdin

  • on June 12, 2012, 5:59 GMT

    Good luck ramdin for future and you are the best wkb !

  • on June 11, 2012, 15:04 GMT

    I would love to see Ramdin go on to great things. He is still young and can contribute to the development of WI cricket. I celebrate this joyous moment with him, but I have to say his reaction to Viv was not appropriate. As a public person he has to expect to be criticized, and One should let those criticism motivate them to do better. I hope Ramdin mature more from hereon, both as a cricketer, and an individual who can take a deserved criticism.

  • on June 11, 2012, 13:34 GMT

    i think the criticism is something good. it seemed to motivated ramdin to bat long. i hope this is just not a one time thing and he continues getting scores like this. a little "war" among veteran players and young ones are good. i think it's a good learning process for ramdin. best of luck.....

  • stanlee on June 11, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    Ramdin's comments reveal a player who has been under enormous pressure for some time.He has been in and out of the team-his fault admittedly-but the bigger issue is Richards' selective criticism of only certain players.Additionally Richards' 'outbursts on and off the cricket field have been well documented.It doesn't excuse Ramdin's behavior but Richards went beyond the pale and his criticism of the player bordered on the personal-hardly the role of an objective analyst.As if to prove my point even in his response to Ramdin's century, his comments were rather negative.Past accomplishments of the former great does not give him the right to be destructive from the safety of the press box.I would say that he got a dose of his own well documented medicine.

  • jmcilhinney on June 11, 2012, 13:23 GMT

    @Hari Prasanth on (June 11 2012, 09:45 AM GMT), surely it's a responsibility to from the box. That's what they're in the box for. It's not really a professional commentators job to arbitrarily give advice to a team or team member. I don't know all the facts but, from what I've heard, the WI board and coaching staff aren't really all that keen to have some of the old players around the team. Maybe they figure too many strong influences may make it harder to keep order. Regardless, I'm sure Ramdin has heard Richards criticise other players, both from WI and elsewhere, so why should he take it so personally now, given that he wasn't performing? Has he got a note for whoever dropped him from the team last time? The note was a childish move, plain and simple. If someone criticises your batting, answer with your batting.

  • on June 11, 2012, 9:45 GMT

    Remember it is easy to talk from the box. One needs to know about the team which has a long tail and Ramdin comes at the end and has to bat with the tail. Ramdin is not a player like Dhoni, Sangakara, Boucher, Gilly or Brendon. He plays within himself so you can`t expect much from him. One can say he is capable in flat track and not in seaming or bouncy pitches. So, who ever may be if you want a player or a team to do well go there and speak to them offer them advice give them some tips rather than commenting publicly.The people who criticize don`t go voluntarliy to give tips instead they want others to come up to them. When time available people like Akram, Kumble,go to the needy to give tips. Remember not everyone can take criticism including the so called greats.

  • Somerset-Richard on June 11, 2012, 9:27 GMT

    Lets put this into perspective, shall we? Firstly well done Denesh Ramdin on scoring your second test century in your 45th test match. Well done also on improving your test batting average above the 22 point something, where it previously stood, all on a day when your partner, a number 11 batsman, narrowly missed out on his own century. Sir Vivian Richards, one of the all time great test cricketers, who has seen them all come and go over the last 40 years, has earned the right to express an opinion (in fact an encouraging and positive one) about a player who has failed so far to live up to expectations. Hopefully Ramdin will realise that this was unnecessarily disrespectful to a widely respected and much loved man, and publicly offer the apology that Sir Viv is due. Well done Tino Best! Your joyous and smiling performance was a reminder of how West Indian cricket used to be played, back in the days when we Poms could only look on and admire!

  • JG2704 on June 11, 2012, 7:13 GMT

    To be honest - and I'm a big Viv fan and he comes across extremely well on the radio - I think Viv could have given Ramdin a bit more credit for the century. Ramdin came in when WI were 152-5 and surely at that point Eng would have fancied their chances of dismissing WI for around 220-230 and before close on Saturday. Surely the fact that WI scored another 270 runs while Ramdin was there and took the WI from a distinct possibility of another defeat to a position of superiority in a game which will likely fade to a draw suggests that Ramdin at least hypothetically scored an equalizer rather than a consolation goal when 5-0 down. I'm not saying Viv should have withdrawn his criticism but he could have said something like "Well done sir , now please continue to prove me wrong" . I hope Ramdin doesn't get fined or reprimanded too badly.

  • on June 11, 2012, 6:18 GMT

    fantastic one from ramdin....as a young player he looks upto viv and instead of helping fellow countrymen by giving some encouragement viv goes on air saying ramdin has nothing to offer...must have hurt ramdin..

  • on June 11, 2012, 5:15 GMT

    It shows Ramdin is unable to handle criticism and therefore hardly captaincy material The future will tell how he shapes himself up and all the best to him but in the final analysis this will stick out poorly against him like it has to a couple of other well known players who flew off the handle in public

  • on June 11, 2012, 4:44 GMT

    Ramdin shouldn't have done that. I feel the credit for Ramdin's century should go to Sir Viv, because his comments produced the best out of Ramdin. Of course, Viv had high expectations about Ramdin, and he has the right to criticise him - the right he earned through his performance for West Indies. I would still love to see Sir Viv batting!

  • jmcilhinney on June 11, 2012, 4:25 GMT

    So where do England and Jonny Bairstow go from here? There has been all this talk about about his alleged issues with the short ball but, if all you'd seen of him was today's innings, you wouldn't think to question his approach to short-pitched bowling. That said, the bouncers he got today were probably not as well-directed as those from Roach in the last game. As with his 16 in the first Test though, he looked quite good today but then fell for a relatively low score. I reckon Bairstow has got a Test career in front of him, but I may be proved wrong. Do England keep him on for the SA series though? For anyone thinking of answering that question, keep in mind that, if he is replaced, it will almost certainly be with Bopara. Given that Bopara would have been playing this series but for his injury, there's nothing to suggest that he won't play the next series if a place becomes available. I'm a little torn, given that this upcoming SA series is so crucial.

  • jmcilhinney on June 11, 2012, 3:47 GMT

    It is a real shame that so much play has been lost in this match. If we still had three days to go then this match would be enthrallingly poised. WI definitely have the upper hand but they have been known to give it away before. Ian Bell has been criticised for not being able to play spin or score runs under pressure but he's doing both here. Narine hasn't had the impact many hoped but could well do more on a day 5 pitch with England chasing a target. England didn't miss Anderson and Broad on day 3 but they certainly seemed to on day 4. The bowling was wayward and it almost seemed that they assumed the last wicket would come without their earning it. Strauss' field settings didn't help. I know that his approach has served him and England well over recent years but surely you have to be prepared to adapt at times and waiting for alleged pressure to force a mistake from the last two batsmen seems rather timid, especially when there is no such pressure.

  • WestIndies1987 on June 11, 2012, 3:14 GMT

    I am from T&T but I was dissapointed in Ramdin's reaction. Viv has the right to criticise and voice his opinion about anything to do with WI cricket. It's ironic too because a few years ago Viv said that he felt that Ramdin would be our WI captain and he had a lot of faith in him, so maybe Viv's comments were based on the fact that he has VERY HIGH expectations of Ramdin.

  • aloenso on June 11, 2012, 2:29 GMT

    Ramdin does not have to be the bullcow that jumps over the moon. Viv has always song Ramdin's praises louder that any one else. He even on numerous occasions, before almost anyone else, spoke of Ramdin as a future W.I. captain. Maybe he was very critical of Ramdin because his expectation of him is so high. Ramdin should realize and appreciate it, rather than try to get back at Viv in such a manner. What Viv said obviously motivated him, now he should let Viv inspire him to consistent great performances.

  • Marcio on June 11, 2012, 2:06 GMT

    You can't let other people's opinion of you get you stirred up if you are in the public eye. Great that it came off this time for Ramdin. But the fact is you are going to get lots of criticism if you play international sport. Just imagine if Ricky Ponting took criticism personally. He would have had to pull out a banner the width of the field after his recent test century!

  • mikey76 on June 11, 2012, 1:15 GMT

    I'd say get back in your box Ramdin. Viv has more talent in his little finger than a guy who has flattered to deceive most of his career. Good knock, but he needs to bump his average up to 40+ before he can go around offering advice to one of the games great players. Shame the weather ruined what would be a great contest. England can only hope to gain parity and then have a bowl in the evening and look to pick up some cheap wickets.

  • on June 11, 2012, 1:01 GMT

    WI saves the "Best" moments til last! Everything was saved for "Best" The WI top order should learn how to bat from a no.11! He's the world record holder for the highest score for a no.11. Best along with Jerome Taylor and Sammy will make a formidable lower order.

  • rienzied on June 11, 2012, 0:53 GMT

    Viv would have reacted the same if he was in Ramdhin's postion and would have scored the 100 , made a salute to the dressing room and to his detractor however he wouldnt have put the message up. Sadly this is the Windies predicament, they have the talent, the culture and the emotions but the science now is weak. They get themselves in great position but cannot finish off the job. I do hope things improve and they strengthen the top 4

  • on June 11, 2012, 0:52 GMT

    Know why he was so excited..... We say on a track which Tino Best made 95 he should not be excited huh? Did Strauss, Cook, Trott, Pietersen or Bairstow make it to 100? I'm not hearing you all..........

  • yorkshirematt on June 11, 2012, 0:14 GMT

    How any of this generation of west indian players can criticise king viv is beyond me. @Ruchit Khushu The "make em grovel" incident should be water under the bridge now, different time, different era. i think the WI side at the time answered that one anyway.

  • on June 11, 2012, 0:11 GMT

    Can someone please explain to me what Viv needs to be chastised for. Did he as a journalist say anything that was incorrect. Is Ramdin aware that he was dropped from the WI team because his game was in decline not VIV's. I think he should have written his test average at the bottom of the note for all to see. That would have helped. I can't understand why when a player gets on to the WI team he starts to think that he is not to be criticized by anyone. Ramdin what were your scores in the first terst when we needed you?

  • godfreyse on June 11, 2012, 0:01 GMT

    Unacceptable behavior from young Ramdin. How u handle criticism is what makes u a better person. It is for that very reason I admire Sammy so much. Sir Viv is passionate about WI cricket & can get carried away at times, but he mean well. Ramdin played a supper inns & needs to be a little more consistent. Yes the management must have a serious chat with Ramdin, after all he is a senior member of the team & the younger guy will look up to him.

  • on June 10, 2012, 23:13 GMT

    Why should the great Sir Viv be able to criticize the players and the players cant return the same. Well done Ramdin. Even if its on a dead track, a hundred dont come in one shot. Well done Ramdin and Tino.

  • on June 10, 2012, 22:38 GMT

    Viv should keep talking. If the WI batsmen need motivation then give it to them.

    England lost their chance to win this match on Saturday with dropped catches and countless balls flying thru a vacant third slip. The great WI and Australian teams would have had 3 slips and a gully or more with pacers bowling so well. England should've had WI all out for < 270 on Saturday possibly before tea. This England team is good but they don't dominate like the great teams did.

  • ashlatchem on June 10, 2012, 22:14 GMT

    To be honest that is the best I have ever seen Ramdin play... I haven't seen his other century but he looked totally at ease to me and I personally loved it... It had spunk and a point to prove... We all know Viv is Viv but I think he needs to give a little more credit to Ramdin the score was 280/9 when Tino came in remember and the partnership between the 2 made it impossible for England to win... Let's just hope it spurs Ramdin on cause WI have been missing a decent keeper batsmen for too long now and yesterday to me he finally looked the goods...

  • on June 10, 2012, 21:57 GMT

    Best "Fastest bowler in the world" he was clocking around 145kmph plenty of bowlers who get up there. Lee, Pattinson, Mohamed Sami, Steyn etc etc.

  • on June 10, 2012, 21:48 GMT

    Whilst I hold the utmost respect for King Viv, and even though he has an undoubted aura about him, I do not think he is beyond criticism himself. He needs to realise maybe growing up he may have been an idol to Ramdin, so the harsh, generalised criticisms he made of Ramdin in a newspaper article, attacking his charactor (as opposed to specific or technical related) would have hurt badly. Also Stanford (yes - remember him??) - wasnt Viv one of his chief cheerleaders? As I said Viv himself is not beyond criticism.

  • on June 10, 2012, 21:30 GMT

    Ramdin should rise to a higher standard , not being able to handle criticism when he is Captain of T & T makes it worse. . . .

  • JG2704 on June 10, 2012, 21:02 GMT

    To be honest - and I'm a big Viv fan and he comes across extremely well on the radio - I think Viv could have given Ramdin a bit more credit for the century. Ramdin came in when WI were 152-5 and surely at that point Eng would have fancied their chances of dismissing WI for around 220-230 and before close on Saturday. Surely the fact that WI scored another 270 runs while Ramdin was there and took the WI from a distinct possibility of another defeat to a position of superiority in a game which will likely fade to a draw suggests that Ramdin at least hypothetically scored an equalizer rather than a consolation goal when 5-0 down. I'm not saying Viv should have withdrawn his criticism but he could have said something like "Well done sir , now please continue to prove me wrong" . I hope Ramdin doesn't get fined or reprimanded too badly.

  • gunnerr4life on June 10, 2012, 20:54 GMT

    I simply fail to understand why was Ramdin so excited ? .. Scoring a century on a track where even tino best scored 95 is not that a great achievement ! And that too when the result of the match was already known and there was no pressure at all .. No matter what Viv said but he will remain a legend and you have to show some respect to a legend !

  • on June 10, 2012, 20:42 GMT

    Ramadin ! you did the right thing,Let them know it ,let the whole World know how the are. There are more like vivi stttstttsssss

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on June 10, 2012, 20:36 GMT

    Nice summary. No doubt there'll be comments about a certain JM Bairstow, but in a game where Trott and Cook got out cheaply too, in my opinion there's not much to read into here with his dismissal.

  • on June 10, 2012, 20:25 GMT

    Ramdin should be more respectful to Sis Viv 2 hundred in 45 test isn't anything to write or be over the moon for.You can't carry water for the likes of people like Sir Viv so be humble lad, better is expected of those who play the game of cricket for the West Indies.

  • aroundthewicket on June 10, 2012, 20:24 GMT

    I'm from T&T. Ramdin - come nah man. You coulda pull out the sign if it was 2 or 3 hundreds in a row you made or if you made the century after the side was 5 down for small change or if we had runs to make to win. Ah not putting down your century - it's still a test 100 and respect, but you haven't made runs for a long long time. Keeper man, you have more fire in your belly than that.

  • India_boy on June 10, 2012, 19:48 GMT

    @ruchit....how did WI make Eng grovel? apart from 2hours of good play what has WI, notwithstanding their poor reputation, done to make the Englishmen grovel? dont forget they r still winning 2-0 and if we were to see an all too familiar WI collapse in the 2nd inns. it may just go on to be 3-0...talk about grovelling !

  • ashok16 on June 10, 2012, 19:39 GMT

    well known that Viv has higher standards for the East Indians. But Ramdin isnt very good.

  • on June 10, 2012, 19:15 GMT

    Ramdin should behave better !! Viv is Viv.... Ramadin is just going to be Ramadin..That says it all !!

    Now who made the English grovel on their own soil !!

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  • on June 10, 2012, 19:15 GMT

    Ramdin should behave better !! Viv is Viv.... Ramadin is just going to be Ramadin..That says it all !!

    Now who made the English grovel on their own soil !!

  • ashok16 on June 10, 2012, 19:39 GMT

    well known that Viv has higher standards for the East Indians. But Ramdin isnt very good.

  • India_boy on June 10, 2012, 19:48 GMT

    @ruchit....how did WI make Eng grovel? apart from 2hours of good play what has WI, notwithstanding their poor reputation, done to make the Englishmen grovel? dont forget they r still winning 2-0 and if we were to see an all too familiar WI collapse in the 2nd inns. it may just go on to be 3-0...talk about grovelling !

  • aroundthewicket on June 10, 2012, 20:24 GMT

    I'm from T&T. Ramdin - come nah man. You coulda pull out the sign if it was 2 or 3 hundreds in a row you made or if you made the century after the side was 5 down for small change or if we had runs to make to win. Ah not putting down your century - it's still a test 100 and respect, but you haven't made runs for a long long time. Keeper man, you have more fire in your belly than that.

  • on June 10, 2012, 20:25 GMT

    Ramdin should be more respectful to Sis Viv 2 hundred in 45 test isn't anything to write or be over the moon for.You can't carry water for the likes of people like Sir Viv so be humble lad, better is expected of those who play the game of cricket for the West Indies.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on June 10, 2012, 20:36 GMT

    Nice summary. No doubt there'll be comments about a certain JM Bairstow, but in a game where Trott and Cook got out cheaply too, in my opinion there's not much to read into here with his dismissal.

  • on June 10, 2012, 20:42 GMT

    Ramadin ! you did the right thing,Let them know it ,let the whole World know how the are. There are more like vivi stttstttsssss

  • gunnerr4life on June 10, 2012, 20:54 GMT

    I simply fail to understand why was Ramdin so excited ? .. Scoring a century on a track where even tino best scored 95 is not that a great achievement ! And that too when the result of the match was already known and there was no pressure at all .. No matter what Viv said but he will remain a legend and you have to show some respect to a legend !

  • JG2704 on June 10, 2012, 21:02 GMT

    To be honest - and I'm a big Viv fan and he comes across extremely well on the radio - I think Viv could have given Ramdin a bit more credit for the century. Ramdin came in when WI were 152-5 and surely at that point Eng would have fancied their chances of dismissing WI for around 220-230 and before close on Saturday. Surely the fact that WI scored another 270 runs while Ramdin was there and took the WI from a distinct possibility of another defeat to a position of superiority in a game which will likely fade to a draw suggests that Ramdin at least hypothetically scored an equalizer rather than a consolation goal when 5-0 down. I'm not saying Viv should have withdrawn his criticism but he could have said something like "Well done sir , now please continue to prove me wrong" . I hope Ramdin doesn't get fined or reprimanded too badly.

  • on June 10, 2012, 21:30 GMT

    Ramdin should rise to a higher standard , not being able to handle criticism when he is Captain of T & T makes it worse. . . .