England news November 30, 2011

Samit Patel opts out of IPL auction

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Samit Patel, the England allrounder, has withdrawn from next year's IPL auction in a bid to boost his chances of earning a Test place. If he had been picked up for the IPL - and it was far from certain he would have gained a deal - it would have meant missing up to seven County Championship matches at the start of the English season.

Patel returned to England's one-day side against Sri Lanka during the 2011 season having missed out on a World Cup berth due to his fitness issues. He played every game during England's recent tour of India, scoring 160 runs at 40.00 and took four wickets in the 5-0 whitewash to emerge as one of the few players with some credit.

However, although Patel's move will be noted by the England management, he faces a tough task to force his way into the Test reckoning as either a second spinner or frontline batsman but is hoping the weight of runs in the early domestic season will bring him into the selectors' thinking for the series against West Indies and South Africa in 2012.

"My biggest ambition is to play Test cricket," Patel said. "I need to score a high volume of runs in the Championship to push my case. If I was selected for the IPL then I would miss several Championship matches and that won't help me at a time when I need to do everything I can to impress the selectors.

"I have listened to the advice from people that I trust and it is clear that this decision is the right one to have made for cricket reasons. The IPL is an exciting tournament and I would like to be involved in it in the future, but not to the detriment of my England ambitions."

Mick Newell, the Nottinghamshire coach, supported Patel's move which will also strengthen the county during a crucial period of Championship cricket.

"Samit has got himself back into England's limited-overs teams but he feels that he can become a Test match regular and it goes without saying that scoring a high volume of runs for Nottinghamshire will help him to achieve his ambition," said Newell. "Staying away from the IPL this year is a mature decision and one that we hope will benefit Samit's career and improve our prospects in the Championship."

Patel's decision mirrors that of Ravi Bopara who decided not to play in last season's IPL, in an attempt to secure a place against Sri Lanka, while Stuart Broad has also resisted the the tournament's lure. Yet, despite Bopara's 408 runs in the opening five matches last season, the England selectors favoured Eoin Morgan for the first Test, who did play in the 2011 IPL, after he struck 193 for the Lions in the tour match against Sri Lanka at Derby.

As ever with Patel, runs and wickets won't be the only factor, either, as Andy Flower, the England team director, made clear in a recent interview with the Daily Mail when he said Patel "hasn't properly addressed his fitness issues. He'd better, otherwise he'll be out of the side."

Patel faces a challenge to dislodge one of England's established top six batsmen, while Bopara and James Taylor are also ahead of him in the pecking order. The most likely route into the Test team remains as a second spinner, which England rarely require on home soil.

Last season Patel took 33 first-class wickets at 30.81, together with over 1,000 runs at 47.56. Monty Panesar, England's reserve spinner on the 2010-11 Ashes tour, was the highest wicket-taker in Division One of the County Championship in 2011 with 69 victims at 27.24 and also boasts 126 Test match wickets at 34.37.

The England Test squad is set to be announced in the forthcoming weeks for the three-match series against Pakistan in Dubai.

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  • JG2704 on December 3, 2011, 17:05 GMT

    @Gerard Pereira on (December 02 2011, 10:08 AM GMT) - I was always under the impression that if you were born and raised in England , that makes you English

  • on December 2, 2011, 21:57 GMT

    Good by Patel, he just needs to get even fitter now!

  • JG2704 on December 2, 2011, 14:01 GMT

    @ashish514 on (December 02 2011, 06:39 AM GMT) - No disrespect but the IPL rankings say that England are number 1. I think there is a tab on their website which explains it all. We probably won't hold on to our T20 ranking that long anyway so then all you guys can start gloating/sniping about that too. Anyway it is only T20 and to most Englishmen it is a nice bonus and nothing more. Also "Too early to say" - what do you mean by that? I guess it means that when India start having a winning record against England in this format , that'll be when it stops being too early - right?

  • on December 2, 2011, 10:08 GMT

    JG2704> I said English, not British Asians.

  • ashish514 on December 2, 2011, 6:39 GMT

    Yevghenny - Your test no.1 status is fully justified but can't say that about t20(Ok, being the current T20 WC champion, yes but otherwise no). There have been far too few matches played. Take India vs. England, there have been only 4 matches, England 3 India 1, two of which are very recent. So yes, you are ahead, but it's too early to say. Given the high amount of uncertainty, you need a higher no. of t20 matches then tests or odi's to judge a clear winner. Consider this, if India had won the last match, the ranking would have been starkly different. So, currently that table is highly volatile. A number of matches along time will bring some stability to it. And who knows England can still emerge to be no.1

    P.S.- Ignoring the pun, I do remember the last time India beat England bcoz- 1.It is the only T20 we won against england. 2. We went on to win the tournament 3. Yuvraj's thrashing of Broad is somewhat hard to forget.

  • jmcilhinney on December 2, 2011, 3:03 GMT

    @Venkat_Gowrishankar, I'm not trying to claim that English county cricket (note, it is c-o-u-n-t-y, not c-o-u-n-t-R-y) produces the best test cricketers and I am not trying to dis the IPL or Indian cricket in any way. What I am saying is that, to make it into the England test side, you need to perform well in first class cricket. The selectors are not going to put someone in the test side based on form in 50-, 40- or 20-over cricket, whether that be in India, England or anywhere else. If Samit Patel, or anyone else for that matter, wants to make it into the England test team then they must perform in first class cricket. If an English player plays IPL then, purely by timing, they will miss first class games for their county and, therefore, reduce their chances of being picked for the England test side. That is the one and only issue that this story is about and that is the one and only issue that I'm addressing. The story, and I, are not criticising the IPL or India at all.

  • 2.14istherunrate on December 2, 2011, 0:53 GMT

    IPL is cricket parasite,sucking the life blood out of the game.

  • 5wombats on December 1, 2011, 23:30 GMT

    @Venkat_Gowrishankar; rubbish. IPL is the cricket equivalent of chewing gum - it has no flavour and after 20 minutes it gets spat out. As @ SettingSun puts it very aptly; "IPL is cricket cancer". IPL is the death of style, temperament and class. It's garbage. That's the real reason no England player will sign up for it - they wouldn't lower themselves.

  • Shandorinho on December 1, 2011, 23:23 GMT

    I wonder how many of you clever clogs who dismiss Samit's skills have ever seen bat (or bowl) in first-class cricket. And the notion that the IPL is more important than a potential test future (maybe not immediate, but with a chance at some point) and also championship cricket for his county, is ridiculous, short-sighted and frankly brain-dead. Speaking as a Notts fan, I can safely say he'd also much rather play for his county than for some random collection of overpaid 'superstars'. And on the topic of the financial benefits of the IPL, living near Trent Bridge and having seen what Samit drives, I'm pretty sure he's comfortable in the wallet department.

  • 5wombats on December 1, 2011, 21:45 GMT

    @S4CHIN_IS_GOD - hysterically funny joke comments from you. You are talking about Stuart Broad right? Man of the series in the2011 Pataudi Trophy? You know - the famous Test match Trophy disputed between England and india? No india player was in the running for Man of the Series this time. It was Staurt Broad that won that in 2011. No india player was in the running. He got a Test Hat Trick against india you know! Oh, and England whitewashed india 4-0 in that Test series too, remember? Didn't the guy who hit those sixes a few years ago get broken up a bit by an England bowler in 2011 and have to go home injured? What was his name? Help us out with that will you? Did his name begin with Y? We can't remember back as far as August though can we? So I don't suppose you can help.

  • JG2704 on December 3, 2011, 17:05 GMT

    @Gerard Pereira on (December 02 2011, 10:08 AM GMT) - I was always under the impression that if you were born and raised in England , that makes you English

  • on December 2, 2011, 21:57 GMT

    Good by Patel, he just needs to get even fitter now!

  • JG2704 on December 2, 2011, 14:01 GMT

    @ashish514 on (December 02 2011, 06:39 AM GMT) - No disrespect but the IPL rankings say that England are number 1. I think there is a tab on their website which explains it all. We probably won't hold on to our T20 ranking that long anyway so then all you guys can start gloating/sniping about that too. Anyway it is only T20 and to most Englishmen it is a nice bonus and nothing more. Also "Too early to say" - what do you mean by that? I guess it means that when India start having a winning record against England in this format , that'll be when it stops being too early - right?

  • on December 2, 2011, 10:08 GMT

    JG2704> I said English, not British Asians.

  • ashish514 on December 2, 2011, 6:39 GMT

    Yevghenny - Your test no.1 status is fully justified but can't say that about t20(Ok, being the current T20 WC champion, yes but otherwise no). There have been far too few matches played. Take India vs. England, there have been only 4 matches, England 3 India 1, two of which are very recent. So yes, you are ahead, but it's too early to say. Given the high amount of uncertainty, you need a higher no. of t20 matches then tests or odi's to judge a clear winner. Consider this, if India had won the last match, the ranking would have been starkly different. So, currently that table is highly volatile. A number of matches along time will bring some stability to it. And who knows England can still emerge to be no.1

    P.S.- Ignoring the pun, I do remember the last time India beat England bcoz- 1.It is the only T20 we won against england. 2. We went on to win the tournament 3. Yuvraj's thrashing of Broad is somewhat hard to forget.

  • jmcilhinney on December 2, 2011, 3:03 GMT

    @Venkat_Gowrishankar, I'm not trying to claim that English county cricket (note, it is c-o-u-n-t-y, not c-o-u-n-t-R-y) produces the best test cricketers and I am not trying to dis the IPL or Indian cricket in any way. What I am saying is that, to make it into the England test side, you need to perform well in first class cricket. The selectors are not going to put someone in the test side based on form in 50-, 40- or 20-over cricket, whether that be in India, England or anywhere else. If Samit Patel, or anyone else for that matter, wants to make it into the England test team then they must perform in first class cricket. If an English player plays IPL then, purely by timing, they will miss first class games for their county and, therefore, reduce their chances of being picked for the England test side. That is the one and only issue that this story is about and that is the one and only issue that I'm addressing. The story, and I, are not criticising the IPL or India at all.

  • 2.14istherunrate on December 2, 2011, 0:53 GMT

    IPL is cricket parasite,sucking the life blood out of the game.

  • 5wombats on December 1, 2011, 23:30 GMT

    @Venkat_Gowrishankar; rubbish. IPL is the cricket equivalent of chewing gum - it has no flavour and after 20 minutes it gets spat out. As @ SettingSun puts it very aptly; "IPL is cricket cancer". IPL is the death of style, temperament and class. It's garbage. That's the real reason no England player will sign up for it - they wouldn't lower themselves.

  • Shandorinho on December 1, 2011, 23:23 GMT

    I wonder how many of you clever clogs who dismiss Samit's skills have ever seen bat (or bowl) in first-class cricket. And the notion that the IPL is more important than a potential test future (maybe not immediate, but with a chance at some point) and also championship cricket for his county, is ridiculous, short-sighted and frankly brain-dead. Speaking as a Notts fan, I can safely say he'd also much rather play for his county than for some random collection of overpaid 'superstars'. And on the topic of the financial benefits of the IPL, living near Trent Bridge and having seen what Samit drives, I'm pretty sure he's comfortable in the wallet department.

  • 5wombats on December 1, 2011, 21:45 GMT

    @S4CHIN_IS_GOD - hysterically funny joke comments from you. You are talking about Stuart Broad right? Man of the series in the2011 Pataudi Trophy? You know - the famous Test match Trophy disputed between England and india? No india player was in the running for Man of the Series this time. It was Staurt Broad that won that in 2011. No india player was in the running. He got a Test Hat Trick against india you know! Oh, and England whitewashed india 4-0 in that Test series too, remember? Didn't the guy who hit those sixes a few years ago get broken up a bit by an England bowler in 2011 and have to go home injured? What was his name? Help us out with that will you? Did his name begin with Y? We can't remember back as far as August though can we? So I don't suppose you can help.

  • Venkat_Gowrishankar on December 1, 2011, 21:07 GMT

    And for all who think that Pollard is not good or Murali Vijay is not good and they are mediocre, let the English team play on the same flat pitch and try attempting what pollard and Vijay have done against Steyn and Co, I doubt they can even come close to it . If you feel Vijay and Pollard are average, then English county structure has produced numerous mediocre players like Ealham, Fleming, Hollioake . list goes on, last but not the least Graeme Hick , all who can score only within their country seasons. Its not about who is good or bad, A pollard or vijay is special in their own and so Is a Hick, just because they are hard hitters doesnt mean they are mediocre.

  • Venkat_Gowrishankar on December 1, 2011, 20:23 GMT

    @Grant Goodwin - wont you play the Muppet or Kermit if offered a million dollars? @Yevghenny, i can agree with you on the point that foreign players make an important contribution, but please don't arrive at a judgement that fans don't bother to turn up when Sachin is not playing and so on, most Indian fans look beyond sachin. Nobody laughs at morgan, who by the way ensures to attend the IPL every year without fail and did it stop him from making it to the Test squad.? @jmcilhinney : If you feel that the English country structure chooses players based on their first class performance and thats the right way, then why did it take 40 years to be the No1 team. Is there any change in the Country structure that happened recently?.None. England are lucky that they have a talented bunch of individuals clicking at the right time. Good for them and they deserve it, Kudos to the players and not the system. FYI, the selection to the Indian Test team is based on the first class performance.

  • KS72 on December 1, 2011, 20:20 GMT

    Hey Samit...you have no hope in hell man!......you think andy flower and ECB are going to take note....they might but they wil notl give you a place in the team....reason....OHH come on ..dont tell me you dont know it!...You really dont BELONG to the england cricket team! do you!!...look what has happened to Ajmal Shahzad, bowled really well in the world cup.. when he was given a chance....where is he now!woakes and onions are apparently ahead in the pecking order!! Ha Ha!.......cool your heels buddy..take the money from IPL ..atleast you will have a good quality of life....otherwise you are going to miserable and bitter for the rest of your life! Look at bopara....the minute he comes to bat they talk about technique and temperament....Eoin morgan in the new Conrad Hunte...isnt he !! Alf Gover would be proud.of his technique!!....can see him being the best test batsman of the decade!!.....Think you better try qualifying for India...lol! good luck any way!

  • JG2704 on December 1, 2011, 19:15 GMT

    @S4CHIN_IS_GOD on (December 01 2011, 12:43 PM GMT) - And Broad has shown character and bounced back by becoming a valued member of our side in all 3 formats. You might be right in your assessment in that folk weren't interested in the T20WC which England won (if it reflects the majority of Indian fans who post on these boards) , because unless India is winning or top of the rankings then cricket doesn't matter

  • JG2704 on December 1, 2011, 19:14 GMT

    @Gerard Pereira on (November 30 2011, 20:59 PM GMT) Nice line up , but out of interest where in India/Pakistan is Bolton,Leicester and London , in the case of Saj,Patel,Bopara respectively ? One day you'll post something that is factually correct or doesn't contradict something else you said - Maybe?

  • bumsonseats on December 1, 2011, 18:54 GMT

    as indians think that if you play well in the ipl, that it means they can play tests. the guys mentioned as future test players will find that bowlers of 90+ mph who can bouce you, and not be no balled, is not the same as the T20 giggle, that they prize. dpk

  • JG2704 on December 1, 2011, 18:53 GMT

    @bigwonder on (November 30 2011, 19:32 PM GMT) - Even if they are encouraging our players not to play IPL , according to what seems to be most of your fans , none of them are good enough to be picked anyway so what does it matter?

  • JG2704 on December 1, 2011, 18:51 GMT

    @D.S.A on (November 30 2011, 20:26 PM GMT) - Lumb and Craig don't play test cricket anyway - Lumb hardly gets a look in at the limited overs formats. I'm not sure how fit/unfit Samit is. Obviously he isn't the fastest in the field but that is more detrimental in the OD/T20 game. Personally I'd go for Patel ahead of Morgan in tests but I'd have Monty or Kerrigan ahead of both in Pakistan/Sri Lanka

  • bumsonseats on December 1, 2011, 16:46 GMT

    you cannot say the ipl is a better competition than cc or state cricket or any of the other countries home competitions. most are 3/4 day games. what i will agree its the best t20 competition. but shortly the big bash starts so that, not the best paid, but maybe a better competion. but dont forget whichever comp in t20 you follow its just a bit of fun for 3 hours. the indian fans i think love it so much thats all you seem to talk about that and money. for all that you play it so poorly as your position in the icc league shows. dpk

  • 5wombats on December 1, 2011, 16:30 GMT

    Ridiculous joke comments here. "England players not good enough for PLI"...... ha ha ha. Ok - good enough to beat india home and away in T20 format, good enough to be T20 World champions, but not good enough to play ILP.... How much more ridiculous are these comments going to get????

  • SettingSun on December 1, 2011, 16:29 GMT

    @Venkat_Gowrishankar - I can give you more than one reason why the IPL is rubbish. Too many matches. Too many meaningless matches. It goes on for weeks on end. It is pathetically over-marketed and packed full of ads sponsoring just about everything (It's a 6 not a "DFL Maximum"). Hardly any of the matches are close contests. It burns out players from playing the stuff that matters - international cricket. It's eroding the importance of international cricket. It's making superstars out of rank average players like Kieron Pollard and Murali Vijay that do not deserve it because they neither have the application nor the dedicated talent. The commentary is terrible and sycophantic. And then, of course, you have the fact that the teams have to get rid of most of their players and have new ones, and you just get fans following their favourite players rather than following a team. Do you want more? I could go on all night. Seriously. The IPL is cricket cancer.

  • on December 1, 2011, 14:47 GMT

    The IPL is an overrated, overpaid and over played puppet show. Makes sense for Patel to realise what the true form of the game is...

  • YorkshirePudding on December 1, 2011, 14:07 GMT

    @Venkat_Gowrishankar, I thought it was an individual player saying he'd rather focus on gaining a place in the test team over playing in an overseas league. @S4CHIN_IS_GOD, take a look at the 2007 england team, that was 4 years ago, teams change, and at the moment the T20 Rankings show England as #1, with India 7th Equal with Pakistan, just shows that the IPL hasnt really produced the talent in T20.

  • jmcilhinney on December 1, 2011, 13:28 GMT

    @Venkat_Gowrishankar, another knee-jerk reaction. Noone is portraying the IPL as anything in this story. The simple fact is that the England test team will be selected on first class results, not T20, so if Samit Patel wants to play test cricket then he has more chance of doing so by playing first class cricket rather than T20. That is what this article is saying. It's not saying that the IPL is good or bad or anything other than that it is not a good indicator of test cricket potential. Do you think that it is? If not then you agree with the article so what is your issue? If you do then I'd be very happy for you to be a selector for your country because it would just mean more test victories for England.

  • Yevghenny on December 1, 2011, 13:27 GMT

    Venkat, IPL is basically loads of players like Pollard pretending they're world class cos they can hit 30 off 12 deliveries. Indian fans like to laugh about England playing the likes of Morgan, but the IPL would be dead without all of the over priced foreign imports. Indian fans can barely be bothered to turn up to watch the national side when Tendulkar isn't playing, so what hope the domestic IPL?

  • Yevghenny on December 1, 2011, 13:22 GMT

    So 2007 was the last time India beat England in a t20? How many have been played since then? 3 or 4? All England wins

  • landl47 on December 1, 2011, 13:14 GMT

    Good luck to Patel, but at the moment he doesn't look quite good enough at either discipline to force his way into the side. Cook, Trott, KP and Bell are all averaging above 49 in tests and have played exceptionally well in the last 18 months. #6 is the only potential spot available for the next couple of years and Morgan is younger than Patel and a much better fielder. However, I'm not going to discourage Patel, it's great to see him setting goals for himself. Now he has to work really hard to achieve them.

  • Faircricket11220 on December 1, 2011, 13:04 GMT

    @sachin is god why couldnt u come up with a better name....as far as i know god is perfect and sachin my friend isn't so comparing a player with god shows how far you will go in life in that case saed ajmal is god to you as well as sachin couldnt play a single ball of our spinners hahah and india is going downhill once sehwag,tendulkar,and laxman leave the test squad so make the most of it india or produce some fast bowlers that are match winners like jimmy and broad on test pitches

  • S4CHIN_IS_GOD on December 1, 2011, 12:43 GMT

    @Yevghenny-Haha you are funny. Did you forget the 2007 drubbing? 6 - sixes off broad. or have you deleted the memory. You should be best, you invented the game, but India won it before you and beat you in your game very 1st time. You only won that tournament beause no1 was actully bothered as it only happened 9 months earlier in 2009.

    Mate we all know apart from KP none of your players inventive enough. Still living in Test era.

  • spence1324 on December 1, 2011, 12:02 GMT

    I hope no england players play in the ICL because look at how good our game is when our players put the country first,then you look at the next generation of india batman raina,kolia and shamra etc and you can see how they can only slogg at every thing,look at what happened in england they tried to slogg there way out of trouble and got hurt!

  • Venkat_Gowrishankar on December 1, 2011, 11:57 GMT

    As usual, the English media potrays 'IPL' as the satan of cricket and the ECB county championship as the messiah of all good things for cricket. Frankly, nobody forces anyone to watch/ Join the IPL.Its the players who actually want to join and why not, after 35 ( avg shelf life for a cricketer ) what do you do?, you would certainly regret not joining the IPL.

    IPL is available Free on Air unlike the "Premier form of crcicket " albeit Test ( the english love to call it just because "they think" they are good at it ) and this is what actually penetrates to every household as the "premiere form of cricket" comes at a price ! ( sigh this too at the land of the No1 team ) . So people out there if you think IPL is bad- Give me one really good reason !.

  • YorkshirePudding on December 1, 2011, 11:28 GMT

    @IndiaNumeroUno, yep and a W/L ration 4.0 since the start of 2009 has nothing to do with it has it, then next best only has a W/L ratio of 2.0, hmmmm. Also nothing wrong with having a break, once a cycle, I seem to remember India having a similar break in 2009, SA in 2010, and Aus during 2011.

  • Yevghenny on December 1, 2011, 11:04 GMT

    So no England player is good enough for the IPL despite England being the Number 1 t20 side? When did India last beat England in a t20?

  • cricfan06 on December 1, 2011, 11:02 GMT

    Good for him, why does everyone else care..IPL is for money.. everyone needs money, sooner or later they will try to go and get some!! Test cricket is the pinnacle for the best players - everyone wants to be the best, so they will try and excel at it. There are a few inbetweeners, e.g Chris Gayle...Also, people should stop coming on these forums and comparing their teams, it really doesn't matter what you all say on here - at the end of the day the results speak for themselves..Eng thrashed India and then India returned the favour - who's better its hard to say..c'mon guys, grow up!

  • stormy16 on December 1, 2011, 10:26 GMT

    Isnt it great to see young players chasing test dreams ahead of financial security and arent some of you guys off on a tangent with your comments!! The point I would like to raise it shows the English domestic system works and most importantly pays, which gives the player this opportunity to make a proper decision. Take the SL team who who dont get paid as well and havent been paid since the January of this year - the opportunity to play in the IPL would raise a whole set of different issues to that faced by Patel.

  • MrSmith101 on December 1, 2011, 10:25 GMT

    IndiaNumeroUno -

    Just accept that some cricketers, believe it or not, value test cricket above I.P.L(I.P.HELL to some of us). And we'll cement our place at the top after this Winter. As for India, after the Oz tour you'll be able to change your name Numero Tres!

  • jmcilhinney on December 1, 2011, 10:15 GMT

    @IndiaNumeroUno, um, no, they are at the top because they whipped India and Australia before that and had various other good and adequate results before that to have a better record than any other team over the last two years. If they are not playing and still at the top then obviously their previous results were good enough to put them far enough clear of every other team so as not to be caught. If another team was good enough to be at the top then they would be, but apparently they're not.

  • FatBoysCanBat on December 1, 2011, 10:09 GMT

    Mayan Priyadarshana: 'no england player is good enough to play in IPL...' you must be joking, a number of English players have already played IPL and a number of others [Broad, Bresnan, Swann etc] want to be at their peak for England rather than waste their time playing in a ludicrous tournament like the IPL...all it is for is to bring in money for BCCI. IndiaNumeroUno: England are the number 1 team in the world simply because they are the best team in the world. This is a relatively young team and will be together for 4 or 5 more years. The only teams in the same ball-park as them at the moment are Aussie, India, and South Africa. Aussie will get back to the top in a couple of years, SA are basically in the same position as Eng right now and India are only going to weaken in the next few years. This is because Sachin, VVS and Dravid will move on and while the guys who'll replace them are going to be great but are not close yet and need time at this level, their bowling looks good tho.

  • allblue on December 1, 2011, 10:06 GMT

    I like Patel as a cricketer, but I'm not convinced he is currently up to the mark in either discipline for the Test side, although a regular ODI slot is his for the taking. If he is serious about playing Test cricket as he says, he is going to have to find that extra 10% with either, or ideally both, bat and ball and the fitness issue is both a practical and symbolic aspect of that. What Flower is saying is that to get in the side you have to show 100% commitment to the cause and look to maximise your potential in all aspects of the game. This is an excellent approach designed to create a side that is always striving to be better. The formula is you have to fight to get in the side, you are given time to adjust and settle but then you have to perform consistently or you are out. Flower has just won a 'Coach of the Year' award in the UK, and he thoroughly deserves it IMO. Patel shouldn't be upset by Flower's comments, because it means he still has a chance if he wants it badly enough.

  • on December 1, 2011, 9:56 GMT

    Who is itching for Samit Patel, No Gujju team in IPL. He is not a crowd puller like few international or Indian players. The article and statements are unwarranted.

  • on December 1, 2011, 8:03 GMT

    to be honest no england player is good enough to play in IPL, morgan is the only 1. he's irish. other 1 is KP . he's 4m SA, LOL

  • SL_BiggestJoke on December 1, 2011, 7:01 GMT

    "england will stay number one in test for quite sometime..."

    yep.. about mid 2012 max... basically till the time they (and other countries) play a few test match series... remember they are at the top only because they are not playing :-)))

  • Faircricket11220 on December 1, 2011, 5:29 GMT

    samit is talented but not good enough to be in the english test squad for sure but for the shorter formats he has a good chance...to all indian fans envying patel he is far better choice in the ipl than some of the rubbish players given tons of money which is by the way all black money so they wouldnt have to pay their taxes go figure...england will stay number one in test for quite sometime only trouble i see against them is south africa and maybe next year ashes with new talent of cummins,pattison, and warner and marsh...pakistan test series will most likely go in favor of england as they have far better batsmen top to bottom, but never know the pakistanis always can be a surprise on any given day looking forward to seeing jimmy bowl outswingers against guls reverse swing

  • ashish514 on December 1, 2011, 5:05 GMT

    Well, honestly Samit not opting to play is not a big loss to IPL, Broad not playing is a big loss to yuvraj though. On a serious note, I want IPL to flop and shut its shop. It's ruining the players (though shot-making is improving I must say). Earlier our players used to play in counties, which gave them good experience on seaming wickets. Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly etc. have been highly benefited by playing counties. Now, other players are coming to India and gaining experience here. though they are not playing the longer format, they can still gain knowledge about the conditions and pitch behavior. This will reduce the home advantage to India in future. Since English players are still away from IPL, they still don't have any edge in Indian conditions and they still don't know how to play spin. Similarly we suffered in England partly bcoz none of the new players have county experience.

  • CricFan78 on December 1, 2011, 4:30 GMT

    5wombats the joke of year was England losing against Ireland and Bangladesh, even my 2 yr old can play spinners better than those English in disguise SA batsmen.

  • CricFan78 on December 1, 2011, 4:29 GMT

    RandyOZ are Aussies not part of the world anymore because they make a beeline everytime new IPL season start.

  • 5wombats on November 30, 2011, 22:19 GMT

    @bigwonder - it is pathetic that indians like you are posting on an England conversation. After what England did to india this summer don't you think it might be time to keep quiet? Or do you need reminding? @IndiaNumeroUno - no mate - the joke of the year was indias "performance" in England 3 months ago; you know - the whitewash, the 3-0 in the ODI's, etc. Why do you people feel this need to keep reminding us of how poor india were?

  • RandyOZ on November 30, 2011, 22:14 GMT

    Haha you watch the Indians be like WOAH WHAT THE HELL????????? Must be a shock to see that the rest of the world couldn't give two hoots about the IPL

  • on November 30, 2011, 21:58 GMT

    If IPL wants it can increase its commercial value and make it more lively then should induct should Pakitani players. England players are never in demand except for Peterson and Flintof.

  • FatBoysCanBat on November 30, 2011, 21:56 GMT

    Gairi: your comment is the 'joke of the century' mate...this guy is a genuine spin-bowling all-rounder not a bits and pieces cricketer. As a follower of the Ranji trophy I know these guys you are referring to as an 'abundance' are part-time bowlers at best and only get the wickets they do because they are aided by the dust-bowl pitches. Have you not noticed the number of terrible spinners on the domestic circuit who have first-class bowling averages in the low-mid 20's yet they are not even close to play for India? Samit Patel has a bat avg. of 41 (not bad on the seaming tracks in England) and a bowling avg. of 37 (again not bad on wickets not suitable for spinners). If he was playing in the Ranji trophy his batting avg would come close to 50 and he would probably average about 25-28 with the ball.

  • bumsonseats on November 30, 2011, 21:34 GMT

    when an ipl team will spend $900,000 on dan christian they will buy anyone, so dont use patel as an example. maybe a guy who thinks more of his country than his pocket is refreshing. indian players playing for their country are 7th in the icc league T20 maybe the pays not so good playing country T20. not so good at test either. dpk

  • on November 30, 2011, 21:22 GMT

    Patel might as well have a crack at the IPL, because he's really not that good a player - better to make some money while you can when you are rather average, than wait for the twilight of an ordinary career.

  • spence1324 on November 30, 2011, 21:02 GMT

    Stay out of that IPL samit,we have seen what a mess that it has turned indian cricket into. Besides it is full of sloggers and Australians that are there to collect there cricket pensions!

  • on November 30, 2011, 20:59 GMT

    Perhaps England can put out a team that has no Englishmen in it Strauss, Keiswetter, Pietersen, Trott, Morgan ,Bopara, Prior, Patel, Dernbach,Sajid Mahmood and Meaker.

  • Gairi on November 30, 2011, 20:42 GMT

    Joke of the Century..."All rounders" like Samit are in abundance in every Ranji State Cricket team in India..Its only in England where they treat bits and pieces cricketers with huge regard..what a shame..IPL going to miss Samit rubbish bowling and poor fielding and batting..Time for IPL council to prescreen such International players to be playing in IPL so the standard of cricket is not down. thankgod he is not playing IPL next season.

  • D.S.A on November 30, 2011, 20:26 GMT

    Mistake. The selectors won't select him, but in the event that someone does score, say 193 in a one-off match before selections are finalised, the coach is obviously not in favour of him. He wants Samit to be as fit as a Test player should be...for ODI's, for Twenty20's. Makes sense...seeing as ODI's and Twenty20's last as long as a 5 day Test match...oh wait...There's no doubt players should be fit, but they should be fit for purpose. There's no need for Samit to be Test-fit for Twenty20's. That's ridiculous, especially if one has immense talent. Flower's statement is highly unprofessional. That should be said behind closed doors. He is not so out-spoken about England fielding players who should be representing other countries (Morgan, Pietersen, Trott, Kieswetter, Lumb). Why would that be?...Hands tied?...

  • on November 30, 2011, 20:13 GMT

    @setting sun, in IPL teams only 4 non-Indians are allowed to play and Samit Patel as batsman who can bowl spin are not in short supply. So IPL teams would want better batsman as foreign players.

  • OhhhhMattyMatty on November 30, 2011, 20:05 GMT

    Outbowled Swann on the India tour. And made Ashwin look more like a medium pacer than a spinner. Bat him at 7 and Prior at 6 and England will DESTROY Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

  • Charlie_Ellis on November 30, 2011, 20:04 GMT

    .... so I think England will start vs Pakistan with the tried and tested XI of 1.Strauss* 2.Cook 3.Trott 4.Pietersen 5.Bell 6.Morgan 7.Prior 8.Bresnan 9.Broad 10.Swann 11.Anderson. I think the series will hinge on how the Pakistani batsmen cope with England's bowlers; they have plenty of patient accumulators but do they have the ability to post really big scores in time to bowl England out twice? If they can do that, I think they'll be a huge test for England's run of unbeaten series as Ajmal WILL at some stage run through England's batting. Injuries aside, I think Patel's only chance of playing is if England are down in the series and play him as a 5th bowler at the expense of a struggling batsman. Finn/Tremlett for Bresnan or Panesar instead of Patel are the only changes I can see England making this winter...

  • on November 30, 2011, 19:50 GMT

    Lol..nobody is going to buy him anyways

  • Charlie_Ellis on November 30, 2011, 19:50 GMT

    I don't think Patel's got much chance of playing in the English summer as he gets in neither as one of the best 6 batting options or a specialist spinner (English pitches rarely require 2 spinners in Tests, and even if they did, Englands decent tail and their batsmans familiarity with their own conditions mean that a 6th batsman would be more likely to make way for Panesar or Borthwick). However, I do think he represents a real option as a 6th batsman/5th bowler/2nd spinner in Tests in the subcontinent like England's tricky winter programme against Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Patel is a good player of spin and could bat at 7, with Prior quite capable at 6, and then offer Swann valuable support on pitches not offering the quicks much, especially with his ability to turn the ball away from the right-hander. However, I'm not sure the management will drop a batsman; the only batsmen dropable are Strauss (not happening!) and Morgan. But Morgan is LH and one of our best players of spin....

  • SL_BiggestJoke on November 30, 2011, 19:36 GMT

    This has to be the joke of the year!... deep down he knows that no IPL team will buy him anyway :-))

  • bigwonder on November 30, 2011, 19:32 GMT

    Its pathetic that England is promoting anti-IPL sentiment among its players. It must have circulated a secret memo that must say - join IPL and forget your chances in England test cricket and we all know what happens if an England players says anything on twitter.

  • on November 30, 2011, 19:00 GMT

    Was any team going to buy him???????? In India,even Jadeja is far more useful than him and he knew it :P

  • the_wallster on November 30, 2011, 18:45 GMT

    samit would have to score a lot of runs, and morgan to have two bad series against pakistan and sri lanka to get into the team. as ravi took the same route but this wasnt recognised. but fair play to him. the ecb has already said it doesnt discriminate against those who choose to play the ipl, as seen by morgans selection last summer.

  • SettingSun on November 30, 2011, 18:37 GMT

    Cue lots of Indian fans going, "LOL LIKE HE'S GOOD ENOUGH ANYWAY!" Before you do that, just stop and remember who the world's number one country is in this format of the game is and how many places behind us India are. Also consider the fact that the IPL is rubbish.

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  • SettingSun on November 30, 2011, 18:37 GMT

    Cue lots of Indian fans going, "LOL LIKE HE'S GOOD ENOUGH ANYWAY!" Before you do that, just stop and remember who the world's number one country is in this format of the game is and how many places behind us India are. Also consider the fact that the IPL is rubbish.

  • the_wallster on November 30, 2011, 18:45 GMT

    samit would have to score a lot of runs, and morgan to have two bad series against pakistan and sri lanka to get into the team. as ravi took the same route but this wasnt recognised. but fair play to him. the ecb has already said it doesnt discriminate against those who choose to play the ipl, as seen by morgans selection last summer.

  • on November 30, 2011, 19:00 GMT

    Was any team going to buy him???????? In India,even Jadeja is far more useful than him and he knew it :P

  • bigwonder on November 30, 2011, 19:32 GMT

    Its pathetic that England is promoting anti-IPL sentiment among its players. It must have circulated a secret memo that must say - join IPL and forget your chances in England test cricket and we all know what happens if an England players says anything on twitter.

  • SL_BiggestJoke on November 30, 2011, 19:36 GMT

    This has to be the joke of the year!... deep down he knows that no IPL team will buy him anyway :-))

  • Charlie_Ellis on November 30, 2011, 19:50 GMT

    I don't think Patel's got much chance of playing in the English summer as he gets in neither as one of the best 6 batting options or a specialist spinner (English pitches rarely require 2 spinners in Tests, and even if they did, Englands decent tail and their batsmans familiarity with their own conditions mean that a 6th batsman would be more likely to make way for Panesar or Borthwick). However, I do think he represents a real option as a 6th batsman/5th bowler/2nd spinner in Tests in the subcontinent like England's tricky winter programme against Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Patel is a good player of spin and could bat at 7, with Prior quite capable at 6, and then offer Swann valuable support on pitches not offering the quicks much, especially with his ability to turn the ball away from the right-hander. However, I'm not sure the management will drop a batsman; the only batsmen dropable are Strauss (not happening!) and Morgan. But Morgan is LH and one of our best players of spin....

  • on November 30, 2011, 19:50 GMT

    Lol..nobody is going to buy him anyways

  • Charlie_Ellis on November 30, 2011, 20:04 GMT

    .... so I think England will start vs Pakistan with the tried and tested XI of 1.Strauss* 2.Cook 3.Trott 4.Pietersen 5.Bell 6.Morgan 7.Prior 8.Bresnan 9.Broad 10.Swann 11.Anderson. I think the series will hinge on how the Pakistani batsmen cope with England's bowlers; they have plenty of patient accumulators but do they have the ability to post really big scores in time to bowl England out twice? If they can do that, I think they'll be a huge test for England's run of unbeaten series as Ajmal WILL at some stage run through England's batting. Injuries aside, I think Patel's only chance of playing is if England are down in the series and play him as a 5th bowler at the expense of a struggling batsman. Finn/Tremlett for Bresnan or Panesar instead of Patel are the only changes I can see England making this winter...

  • OhhhhMattyMatty on November 30, 2011, 20:05 GMT

    Outbowled Swann on the India tour. And made Ashwin look more like a medium pacer than a spinner. Bat him at 7 and Prior at 6 and England will DESTROY Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

  • on November 30, 2011, 20:13 GMT

    @setting sun, in IPL teams only 4 non-Indians are allowed to play and Samit Patel as batsman who can bowl spin are not in short supply. So IPL teams would want better batsman as foreign players.