India v South Africa, 3rd ODI, Ahmedabad February 27, 2010

'Don't judge bench strength on one game' - Kirsten

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After a new-look India were convincingly beaten by South Africa in Ahmedabad, coach Gary Kirsten has said the depth of talent in his side shouldn't be gauged based on just one performance. India fielded two debutants, opener M Vijay and fast bowler Abhimanyu Mithun, and had only two players with more than 50 one-dayers under their belt in the dead rubber.

"It's difficult to judge the bench strength by one game," Kirsten said after the 90-run defeat. "I see it as an opportunity for the younger players but you cannot judge them by one performance."

With a core of experienced team members performing consistently, Kirsten said the reserve players were not getting enough chances at the international level. "We want to win every series and this does not give opportunities for the younger players to get the exposure. But this was a good learning experience for them."

The home side were without their entire first-choice bowling line-up of Zaheer Khan, Ashish Nehra, Praveen Kumar and Harbhajan Singh, and the inexperienced bowling unit, led by Sreesanth, was taken for 365 runs by South Africa.

Captain MS Dhoni said India missed the variations of Zaheer and Nehra. "The three fast bowlers that we played, their strength was not change of pace," he said. "If we had somebody like Ashish Nehra or Zaheer, things would have been different."

India had a particularly tough time while bowling at the death, with the pair of Jacques Kallis and AB de Villiers blasting 100 runs in the final seven overs. "With the kind of the start they got it would have been difficult to restrict them to 300," Dhoni said, "but I think 340 would have been competitive and we could have looked to get it."

Despite the defeat in the final ODI, Dhoni was happy with India's performance over the season, during which they beat Sri Lanka and Bangladesh in Test series, before pulling off a memorable win in Kolkata earlier this month to draw the Tests with South Africa and retain their No. 1 ranking. He identified the fielding as one department that needed plenty of improvement.

"We have done well over the season, there have been injuries, we have missed key players, if you look at everything, we have done really well," he said. "Our bowling has improved in bits and pieces, we have done well. Youngsters are doing well. May be in one year we will also put up the best fielding side in the world."

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  • durai86 on March 1, 2010, 16:39 GMT

    @Richvii:Nayar is a batsman and Ashwin is a bowler actually we had a shortfall in bowler after Bhajji's exclusion not the batsman.we had plenty of batsmen in the series.Abhishek nayar could have been tried instead of Raina who has no problems with his slot and selection coz he will be in the 11s even all the players return to the side or Rohit sharma no other person can be thrown coz they r fighting for their inclusion in the team

  • durai86 on March 1, 2010, 16:32 GMT

    I personally think Nayar's slot is taken by Yousuf Pathan .There was an intense competition for the sixth position batsmen right from Robin Uthappa (when he helped chasing 300+ score against England in this match Mascarreanus hit 5 sixes in Yuvraj singh's over remember?),Yousuf pathan and Rohit sharma in some matches and Raina grabbed that position after the failure of Pathan .7th is sealed by JADEJA .

  • durai86 on March 1, 2010, 16:23 GMT

    @Richvii :Ashwin is the replacement of Harbajhan singh.He is also a specialist off spinner...If they had gone for specialist spinner instead of extra batsmen allrounder JaDEJA OR PATHAN or extra batsmenor for two fast two spin combination they would have picked him .Mind you Mishra and Ashwin are the two specialist spin bowler in the squad

  • abyrao on March 1, 2010, 9:23 GMT

    Gary Kirsten is surely a very good coach, his views to defend youngsters also are justified. But Rohit Sharma, from where the hell he keeps landing in the Indian side. The domestic circuit has much better players than him. In Mumbai itself Rahane and Nayyar are better than him, ofcourse needless to say Manish Pandey deserves a chance fast. Again M Vijay has the typical book style so should be groomed in Tests and not ODIs. I think the whole concept of dead rubber is absurd, if you win a series go for whitewash, be ruthless like the aussies are, why mess around a match which thousands have paid to be in the stadium and millions have spend on time watching it??

  • frozeninusa on March 1, 2010, 6:30 GMT

    Don't play the entire bench in one game. And don't change the bench without giving a single game.

  • MysoreSanthosh on February 28, 2010, 17:32 GMT

    Guys, Irfan is not selected bcos of his injury,,,Only thing which I feel went wrong in the match is the advice of the senior bowlers to the youngsters. AB and Kallis on a flat track, can even thrash out Australians Bret Lee or Johnson, so It would not have mattered who the bowlers are. Dhoni also should not forget it was few experiments which seniors tried at that time brought him in to the team,,Team would not lose anything in these sort of experiments except for the Ahmedabad spectators who paid heavily and went to watch the 'Experimented' Match, I pity them.. Mithun and Thyaagi have sheer pace and anybody could find they were nervous. They were supposed to be bowling under Zaheer who could have advised them, better than Sree.Hope this gives some hope to Tyagi and Mithun.

  • cric4india on February 28, 2010, 16:45 GMT

    Kirsten, I have loved the way you have gone about your job. With due respect, I think you would do well know that the whole bench strength of India is not tried out on a single day! Come on...may be you can try 2 players at a time...and playing with our bowling attack which I won't think twice before finding fault with already...it is absolutely indicative of the fact India had given up the match well before the toss. I really looked forward for an Indian fight for a 3-0...atleast an effort..but I can't expect India 'A' to win against SA.

  • Richvii on February 28, 2010, 16:11 GMT

    It is not the question of N/S/W/E selection. it is the question of merit. Vijay had to be included as he is a specialist -opener with good technique. He is a good test and ODI resource. Too early to comment on his T20 skills. But inlcuding Mithun ahead of other bowlers is something difficult to comprehend! Also on what basis Ashwin got selected ahead of Nayar! Dont forget Srikanth drop Karthik agnst SA test and included Saha. karthik is abetter wk/batsman than Saha! what i am trying to allude is to the fact that Srikanth selection is biased and politically motivated. lets call a spade a spade . Durai86 mentions nayar/pandey could have been picked up if they had the slots open. for what slot Ashiwn was included! Our board rotates some players so that they can get-1st the match allowance 2 get to see places and 3rd get included in the retirement plan of the bcci.Dropping Nayar from the last ODI without giving him an opportunity proves that Srikanth is an insane person.

  • Pilotprem on February 28, 2010, 13:39 GMT

    Mr Gaurav,just check the on going VIJAY HAZARAE trophy TAMINADU is in finals for second time in last 2yrs , even when their main players are in national duty , check the champions trophy 2009 scores M Vijay is the topper , doesnt he deserve the selection , if SRIKKANTH is biased then 5 players from Delhi could not in the nation squad ,Mind your words before Typing ,How ROHIT who got the nod ahead of BADRINATH ?who top scores within 3 places for last 5 years , do you know TAMILNADU HAD beat MUMBAI in league stage in RAnji Trophy& Vijay HAZARE trophy a day before ,MARK MY words M VIJAY will go for PLACES with his Technical play & surely fill the Place for DRAVID ,DONT divide the spirits by NORTH or SOUTH ,

  • ABP235 on February 28, 2010, 12:06 GMT

    The saddest part of all of this is freelance criticism from all and sundry without understanding cricket. someone commented as if cricketers are chosen based on their state side winning ranji trophy. Ha ha, good to be a joke. Because Vijay and Karthik are very talented cricketers need to play more for India. I tend to fully agree with a comment that Indian bowling attack is the worst even with all the so called stars like Zaheer and Harbhajan. I would criticise Srikkanth for selecting wrong players for tests and ODIs. There is absolutely no reason to pick Ishant, Sreeshanth in ODIs, they are better to be persisted for tests. At the same time, Praveen and Nehra are good for the ODIs and T20s. About the newcomers, Tyagi has only one credential to be fast bowler, his height! But actually, Mithun is a greatest prospect but should play tests for at least 1-2 years before tried in ODIs. his performance was great in Ranji & Duleep trophies, but not so much in the ODI based Hazare trophy.

  • durai86 on March 1, 2010, 16:39 GMT

    @Richvii:Nayar is a batsman and Ashwin is a bowler actually we had a shortfall in bowler after Bhajji's exclusion not the batsman.we had plenty of batsmen in the series.Abhishek nayar could have been tried instead of Raina who has no problems with his slot and selection coz he will be in the 11s even all the players return to the side or Rohit sharma no other person can be thrown coz they r fighting for their inclusion in the team

  • durai86 on March 1, 2010, 16:32 GMT

    I personally think Nayar's slot is taken by Yousuf Pathan .There was an intense competition for the sixth position batsmen right from Robin Uthappa (when he helped chasing 300+ score against England in this match Mascarreanus hit 5 sixes in Yuvraj singh's over remember?),Yousuf pathan and Rohit sharma in some matches and Raina grabbed that position after the failure of Pathan .7th is sealed by JADEJA .

  • durai86 on March 1, 2010, 16:23 GMT

    @Richvii :Ashwin is the replacement of Harbajhan singh.He is also a specialist off spinner...If they had gone for specialist spinner instead of extra batsmen allrounder JaDEJA OR PATHAN or extra batsmenor for two fast two spin combination they would have picked him .Mind you Mishra and Ashwin are the two specialist spin bowler in the squad

  • abyrao on March 1, 2010, 9:23 GMT

    Gary Kirsten is surely a very good coach, his views to defend youngsters also are justified. But Rohit Sharma, from where the hell he keeps landing in the Indian side. The domestic circuit has much better players than him. In Mumbai itself Rahane and Nayyar are better than him, ofcourse needless to say Manish Pandey deserves a chance fast. Again M Vijay has the typical book style so should be groomed in Tests and not ODIs. I think the whole concept of dead rubber is absurd, if you win a series go for whitewash, be ruthless like the aussies are, why mess around a match which thousands have paid to be in the stadium and millions have spend on time watching it??

  • frozeninusa on March 1, 2010, 6:30 GMT

    Don't play the entire bench in one game. And don't change the bench without giving a single game.

  • MysoreSanthosh on February 28, 2010, 17:32 GMT

    Guys, Irfan is not selected bcos of his injury,,,Only thing which I feel went wrong in the match is the advice of the senior bowlers to the youngsters. AB and Kallis on a flat track, can even thrash out Australians Bret Lee or Johnson, so It would not have mattered who the bowlers are. Dhoni also should not forget it was few experiments which seniors tried at that time brought him in to the team,,Team would not lose anything in these sort of experiments except for the Ahmedabad spectators who paid heavily and went to watch the 'Experimented' Match, I pity them.. Mithun and Thyaagi have sheer pace and anybody could find they were nervous. They were supposed to be bowling under Zaheer who could have advised them, better than Sree.Hope this gives some hope to Tyagi and Mithun.

  • cric4india on February 28, 2010, 16:45 GMT

    Kirsten, I have loved the way you have gone about your job. With due respect, I think you would do well know that the whole bench strength of India is not tried out on a single day! Come on...may be you can try 2 players at a time...and playing with our bowling attack which I won't think twice before finding fault with already...it is absolutely indicative of the fact India had given up the match well before the toss. I really looked forward for an Indian fight for a 3-0...atleast an effort..but I can't expect India 'A' to win against SA.

  • Richvii on February 28, 2010, 16:11 GMT

    It is not the question of N/S/W/E selection. it is the question of merit. Vijay had to be included as he is a specialist -opener with good technique. He is a good test and ODI resource. Too early to comment on his T20 skills. But inlcuding Mithun ahead of other bowlers is something difficult to comprehend! Also on what basis Ashwin got selected ahead of Nayar! Dont forget Srikanth drop Karthik agnst SA test and included Saha. karthik is abetter wk/batsman than Saha! what i am trying to allude is to the fact that Srikanth selection is biased and politically motivated. lets call a spade a spade . Durai86 mentions nayar/pandey could have been picked up if they had the slots open. for what slot Ashiwn was included! Our board rotates some players so that they can get-1st the match allowance 2 get to see places and 3rd get included in the retirement plan of the bcci.Dropping Nayar from the last ODI without giving him an opportunity proves that Srikanth is an insane person.

  • Pilotprem on February 28, 2010, 13:39 GMT

    Mr Gaurav,just check the on going VIJAY HAZARAE trophy TAMINADU is in finals for second time in last 2yrs , even when their main players are in national duty , check the champions trophy 2009 scores M Vijay is the topper , doesnt he deserve the selection , if SRIKKANTH is biased then 5 players from Delhi could not in the nation squad ,Mind your words before Typing ,How ROHIT who got the nod ahead of BADRINATH ?who top scores within 3 places for last 5 years , do you know TAMILNADU HAD beat MUMBAI in league stage in RAnji Trophy& Vijay HAZARE trophy a day before ,MARK MY words M VIJAY will go for PLACES with his Technical play & surely fill the Place for DRAVID ,DONT divide the spirits by NORTH or SOUTH ,

  • ABP235 on February 28, 2010, 12:06 GMT

    The saddest part of all of this is freelance criticism from all and sundry without understanding cricket. someone commented as if cricketers are chosen based on their state side winning ranji trophy. Ha ha, good to be a joke. Because Vijay and Karthik are very talented cricketers need to play more for India. I tend to fully agree with a comment that Indian bowling attack is the worst even with all the so called stars like Zaheer and Harbhajan. I would criticise Srikkanth for selecting wrong players for tests and ODIs. There is absolutely no reason to pick Ishant, Sreeshanth in ODIs, they are better to be persisted for tests. At the same time, Praveen and Nehra are good for the ODIs and T20s. About the newcomers, Tyagi has only one credential to be fast bowler, his height! But actually, Mithun is a greatest prospect but should play tests for at least 1-2 years before tried in ODIs. his performance was great in Ranji & Duleep trophies, but not so much in the ODI based Hazare trophy.

  • on February 28, 2010, 11:19 GMT

    To test the bench strength we cannot field a side with only the bench. This was a dead rubber so India had given up this match completely the moment Sachin scored this double. So really to Kirsten's point don't underestimate the bench. Virat has played well and filled in the shoes of lot of missing players. In the bowling dept obviously we are lacking. I think we need to bring back Venki to the coaching spot. Not taking away anything from Eric Simmons. But, from a full aussie coaching staff. We have now moved to a RSA coaching staff. I believe People like Srinath / Prasad understand what it takes to keep the bowlers fit and useful in India better than Eric Simmons.

  • lbhooshan on February 28, 2010, 10:18 GMT

    Though we can understand that the bench strength does not have international match exposure,the ground reality is,we are playing are home grounds and home conditions..Also, the moment you are selected in the national team, it indicates, you are good in domestic cricket...but the show yesterday..full tosses and lolli-pops for the batsman all throughout...you dont need to have international exposure to avoid this, domestic cricket also teaches you this...and what about players like Shreesanth...who has vast eperience at international level...the less said the better

  • durai86 on February 28, 2010, 10:00 GMT

    I completely agree with lakx i dont know why the people are criticising MuRALI VIJAY the only reason is he is from Tamilnadu .Dont oppress the person with your criticism ,the only mistake is that the chief selector and the player both are from same state and its just incidentall.He has genuine talent and we have to groom him Sachin has not started his career with centuries.They need some international exposure and confidence thats it.Again Abishek NAYAR,PANDEY evry one will be picked if they have perfect slots in the team and mind you they are not openers.Srikanth is the chief selector and there will be selectors from different zones too and DHONI will also be included forthe selection.they discuss and form the team. @snr1966 :Yes sir i completely agree wit your views too sir.

  • RASTAFARIN1 on February 28, 2010, 7:40 GMT

    congrats to Team India , well done ,hope u'll get the cup this time

  • nirav123 on February 28, 2010, 7:35 GMT

    haha devil...do u have any ideas how many players watch cricket in india...all you r trying to say here is all the ppl watch cricket in india they are stupid....hell no...irfan didn't get chance..irfan was a regular consistant player...u know wat given chance means player who r trying to get into the team...look at the record irfan pathan...he has almost played 100 matches...watever..dont have to say much as everybody knows...and yes selection committee is not bad at all but something is wrong with irfan and selection committee...other than that selection is pretty good except for bowling parts....they need irfan so they do no matter wat.....

  • fifth-umpire on February 28, 2010, 7:11 GMT

    We must test the bench but not at the cost of losing and this is what I posted it in my blog post before the match....http://fifth-umpire.blogspot.com/2010/02/let-us-pray.html ...Now I now don't understand, after uncalled for resting of players, why they didn't choose Nehra in playing 11.

  • vatsi999 on February 28, 2010, 7:05 GMT

    irfan had been given so many chances in the past and he couldnt prove himself..its better if we stick to our present bowlin line up wid zaheer nehra and praveen....irfan ws a leakage of runs and never did much with the bat...he can be given chances but nt in important matches..he shud be given chances in dead rubber matches like the one played in ahmedabad... i also feel parthiv patel shud be given another life as he has been performin consitently in the domestic matches....india r a gud side bt need to prove in big matches in the world cups tht r coming up....t20 nd 2011...

  • on February 28, 2010, 6:04 GMT

    @gopavarma : MRF Pace foundation,chennai has produced great fast bowlers like Javagal Srinath, Venkatesh Prasad, Zaheer Khan,Chaminda Vaas, Heath Streak and Brett Lee.So dont blame academys .Its duty of our bcci to give chances snd send the bowlers all over the world to get experience

  • gauravkajaria on February 28, 2010, 5:49 GMT

    Murali Vijay getting out edging a delivery outside the off stump to either the wicket keeper or slips is as predictable as the sun rising in the east. Skrikant, himself a mediocre opening batsman with an identical weakness probably empathises with Vijay. Someone earlier made a point that in the previous selection committees there was a bias towards players from North & West. I would just like to ask one question to the lesser informed: How many times have Mumbai & Delhi won the Ranji tropy & how many times has Tamil Nadu won the Ranji Trophy?????Srikant should try his hand at Tamil Nadu politics.

  • ssenthil on February 28, 2010, 5:23 GMT

    Y'day we saw our Bench strength. It's really Bad. But this should be practiced more often to give some experience to our bench Strength if not as a wholesale basis but a selective, Otherwise in desperate situation with our key players injured will you play a inexperienced player? Give them some chances to get exposed to the International level and It will help us in the future. If you never give them chances we are going to fail miserably. I don't blame the selection committee it's Dhoni who is doing all those things. Our selection committee job ends when they select the squad itself. Whenever they give some fresh players they never given a chance by Dhoni and what is the use of keeping them in the squad without any Match practice, once A.Mishra told he was with the team all the way without getting any Match practice at all and after one failure he is replaced??? Dhoni want go down as a better Captain and he doesn't encourage any rotation policy even within the squad members itself.

  • IPL_is_Thrash on February 28, 2010, 5:01 GMT

    Team India's Bench Experience was exposed! Due to that RUBBISH IPL our Bench is not playing enough 'A' Tours on Foreign Soil and Domestic Cricket on Sportive Wickets. If Team India's Bench had enough experience of 'A' Tours and Domestic Cricket they would have sharpen their skills and Final ODI would have had different result.

  • indcricfan2009 on February 28, 2010, 4:23 GMT

    I am in support of letting reserves play, but toomany reserves with no one to guide them? What is the use. Lack of guidance was very clearly visible in pace bowling department. almost every ball in the last three overs was a low fulltoss asking to be hit!

  • SamRoy on February 28, 2010, 4:15 GMT

    India's bowling lineup in ODIs is a big joke. Even when Zaheer, Bhajji, Nehra and Praveen Kumar are playing; India's bowling line up is still the worst among the current nine test playing nations. Even Bangladesh have a better bowling line up with Shahadat Hossein, Rubel Hossein, Mortaza, Shakib, Mahmudullah and Razzaq.

  • chithsabesh on February 28, 2010, 4:09 GMT

    i stiil didnt get why we selected sreesanth in the squad he is useless. There are lot of other bowling options like irfan pathan , munaf patel . this is a clear example of how weak this indian bowling is without zak , and bhajji .

  • Aravindmsd on February 28, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    just stop commenting abt a player's talent....every one has their own plus&minus if u continue,,then try to be in the selection planel..u will know how difficult the job is

  • kev333 on February 28, 2010, 3:49 GMT

    i dont think india can win the world title with this kind of weak bowling line up.we need the experience of irfan and agarkar in the team.just compare the bowling average and economy of irfan with the current bowling line up of team india..there u can find the difference.he is very good in his batting too..he proved his all round capability in this year ranji season.we need him back in the team to win the big title.am sure that in ipl3 he wil show what a player he is!!!

  • cmgv01 on February 28, 2010, 3:05 GMT

    Rohit Sharma does not deserve anymore chance. We all know he can holdhis bat like a pro but he got more than fair share & time & time he has proven nothing. He was not that bad in last ODI but not outstanding. If anyone who deserve chance is C.Pujara & Manish Pandey. C.Pujara is most talented upcoming batsman, he average 50+ in both form of game in first class cricket, & M Pandey is young and talented.

  • on February 28, 2010, 2:54 GMT

    why wasnt kallis given man of the match in the first odi.maybe if he scored a double ton, nah he probably would have to take the ten wickets as well just to get a look in.

  • lakx on February 28, 2010, 2:13 GMT

    WHY TARGET VIJAY ALONE? HE JUST USED 16 BALLS TO SCORE 25. HERE ARE SNIPPETS FROM THE COMMENTARY. FOR VIJAY,"lovely shot","lovely shot again","shot of the match! Beautiful!" AND HE GOT OUT TO "that's a brute", OVER 6. FOR ROHIT(R)&KOHLI(K),OVER 8,"edge onto the pads"(R),NEXT BALL,"gets a thick edge"(R),NEXT BALL,"leading edge"(K),NEXT,"throws the kitchen sink at it and misses"(k). MANY MORE "beaten" AND EDGES FOR THESE 2. THE 2 CLEARED THE BOUNDARY JUST 8 TIMES IN 132 DELIVERIES. VIJAY CLEARS IT 5 TIMES IN 16 DELIVERIES. ROHIT AND RAINA WERE DROPPED AS THEY COULD NOT PLAY SHORT DELIVERY AND THEY ARE BACK. BOTH FAVOURITES OF DHONI. AND SRIKANTH IS BLAMED FOR SELECTING. SEHWAY/TENDULKAR PLAY WELL OR DHONI LOSES TESTS AND ODI AND HE IS STILL THE "GREAT' CAPTAIN. THE WORLD CONSIDERS KUMBLE AND DRAVID AS GREAT CAPTAINS AND ONE WINS A SERIES AFTER 30+ YEARS, OTHER LOSES A CLOSE SERIES DUE TO UMPIRING AND THEY ARE BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING AND FORCED OUT. SOME THING WRONG HERE.

  • henchart on February 28, 2010, 2:10 GMT

    "Dont judge bench strength on one game" . Mr.Kirsten, one game is all the the so called bench strength will be getting to goof up.Kapil was right when he said why experiment to lose ? 3-0 makes far better reading than 2-1.Complacency is the bane of Indian cricket.It is not the 90 run defeat but the surrender ofIndians before the match itself by selecting second rung team which is to be condemned.Ironically ,while playing the minnows Bangladesh last month full strength of Indians was at display !

  • on February 28, 2010, 2:07 GMT

    INDIA'S RAW PACE ATTACK IS IN DIRE STRAITS EVERYBODY FROM SREESANTH TO MITHUN HAS LOST THEIR RAW PACE. THEIR BIGGEST STRENGTH WAS SPEED WHICH SEEMED TO HAVE MASSSIVELY DECREASED. ITS HIGH TIME INDIA COME UP WITH AN IMPROVED RAW PACE BOWLING ATTACK SANS ZAHEER & NEHRA.MAKE ALAN DONALD THEIR BOWLING COACH , REPLACING ERIC SIMONS.

  • on February 28, 2010, 2:03 GMT

    Few comments on the selection. India's worry is bowling and considering that WC is going to be in sub-continent next yr they could have given a chance for the Off spinner Ashwin. I really don't know if Vijay has really done well in the domestic 50's to deserve a chance in ODI's.His selection in the 15 is debatable.I think we have seen now that Sreesanth has to vary his pace,length to be a force in ODI's(leave alone T20). Apart from this, I would have to say that Rohit and Virat played selfishly yesterday. They didn't have a plan to approach the target. By the time those tow guys left the crease, India needed a boundary every over to win the match and that's a difficult task for the down order players.

  • gopavarma on February 28, 2010, 2:02 GMT

    yesterday's tamasa... Like Dr. Narottampuri was saying before the match..is this the way to give exposure to the second string...! an unfortunate lack of performance on this single day and he is sent back again to oblivion..! Anyway, it is high time that the BCCI should look into our pace battery..It was said that these guys all come from the Chennai factory...what was it...pace bowlers academy..It is high time that somebody should be entrusted with the responsibility to go and check this academy. If this is the products churned out from there, we would be heading for holocaust...If nothing happens, let BCCI entrust Venkatesh Prasad to take Irfan, Nehra, Sreesant and others to give a 3 months crash course at a high altitude pitch just below the Everest Base Camp...or, atleast at over 10,000 feet...Or, on the dry paddy fields around Kumarakam....not inside this new 'throw machines' in the Chennai factory... What a tribute to the great Second ODI....shame Selectors & BCCI..!

  • on February 28, 2010, 1:50 GMT

    I actually lyked da decision of lettin reserves play BUT WHRE WAS IRFAN PATHAN WHO CAN BOWL GASTER DAN SREE ND SWING WAY MORE??? i mean mithun's can play but no Patahn??? dis is dissapoitin nd racism

  • on February 28, 2010, 0:55 GMT

    Its true the youngsters deserve a chance, but def not like this.. its like India -A or U-19 playing against SA that too in a dead match. Instead they should be given during regular one day matches(I don't consider this one) along side senior players so they can learn and groom better..

  • kriskini on February 28, 2010, 0:37 GMT

    Testing 1 or 2 players against South Africa is ok. But 6 players are tried out against top South African team. Expected defeat. Only Jadeja is the upcoming star. He won man of the match in the first ODI. He contained SA on flat track in 2nd ODI. Third ODI he is the most economical Indian bowler. He can bat also. He is just 21 and if he still improves then its very good for India.

  • NEUTRAL_FAN on February 28, 2010, 0:34 GMT

    They really need to give Pandey a go. I don't think t-20's do any justice to his talent. I think he's way better than Rohit Sharma and think he has more than enough potential to surpass Raina. I don't think any of the Ind batsmen bar at time Kholi played the short stuff (and trust me the short stuff was DILUTED on that pitch) well. I don't think any of them will unless they play more often on juicier pitches. I laugh at Dhoni's comment "change of pace is not their strength". Lol so what is their strength then? None of these guys look like getting a test match where change of pace doesn't matter as much so it can't mean that they have much strengths otherwise. I personally think the bowlers look too weak and unthreatening. I think Tsosobe, a pretty new SA out-bowled the young Ind pace-men on their own turf and change of pace isn't his strength either (yes he did have something 2 bowl at but still).

  • 11Noobs on February 28, 2010, 0:33 GMT

    South bashing as usual... Apart from Srikanth himself, which TN player last had a decent run in the side? Karthik could be the closest example, but he only plays when Tendulkar, Gambhir or Sehwag or not. Where do you think Mishra, Ishant, Kohli, Sehwag, Gambhir are from? Now to the selection, Vijay did not deserve the oppurtunity and Irfan Pathan is injured. Too many mistakes are being made from these selectors, dropping Dravid (50-50 call) and Nayar, selecting Rohit Sharma, Saha, Y Pathan and now Vijay. They need to bring in Pujara or Rahane.

  • Sunny_nz on February 28, 2010, 0:23 GMT

    i m a huge sachin fan, but i really did not think he deserved to be given man of the series, because he did not play the 3rd odi and also missed out on the 1st odi....it was very biased.....de villers or kallis deserved it......just a thought....i m very proud sachin got the double hundred

  • s0ldier on February 28, 2010, 0:03 GMT

    It's baffling to see the obsession with Rohit Sharma, it's high time the selectors get out of that thinking that he's a naturally gifted player. Nayar, Pujara, Pandey all deserve a chance before Rohit. ROhit played 40+ ODI's and hasn't proved his mettle yet, how many more chances he will get? Today was the perfect stage for the youngstars to atlewast showcase their talent.I never expected them to chanse 366, but atleast bat sensibly and show some fight. On the contrary, they fell like a pack of cards all trying to clear the city, not just the ground! It's also high time Mr.Sreesanth is shelved, 9 overs and 90 runs? Can Irfan Pathan bowl even badly? I am sure not, he can give those 80 odd runs in 10 overs and can atleast bat better than a Sreesanth, am I right? Sreesanth is a big joke,empty vessels make unnecessary noise, same is the case with Sreesanth. A crappy bowler with absolutely no cricketing brain. Lastly, Yusuf Pathan, looks like he's just a domestic butcher!

  • snr1966 on February 27, 2010, 23:48 GMT

    I note the comments on Srikanth being a South Indian favouring Tamils. The whole of the country knows what a joke this is. How Tamil Nadu players have been suppressed and insulted all the way right from 1970s is not just history but is still current affairs. Balajis, S Rameshs, Hemant Badani and Badri (iuntil recently when the selectors were forced to do sometime to avoid embarrasment) is all known to everyone. VIjay has performed almost in every test that he has played and Badri scored a fighting 58 in his very first appearance against the mighty South Africa when Steyn went on a rampage with only Sehwag (other than Badri) able to cope up with the S.African bowling. DInesh Kartik performed in both the one dayers that India won against the S.Africans and experts had raised eyebrows as to why he is perenially in the benches - he is from Tamil Nadu as well - Stop this non-sense of South-North and State politics and think as an Indian.

  • jamrith on February 27, 2010, 23:47 GMT

    Just 3 days after the Little master scored his exquisite double century and dedicated it "all Indians', we have people raising regional issues and talking about South Indians, Dravidians etc. When will we ever change ? Sure, go ahead and critique the selection of the team for the 3rd ODI but don't drag regionalism into the issue. It is demeaning to all true fans.

  • devil510 on February 27, 2010, 23:19 GMT

    abhishek nayar kulkarni and pradeep sanghvan and other deserve chance in team in front of pathan pathan has not worked hard and does not listen how many time he has been told he can't be bowling medium pace he has to have 140 - 150 and his batting is not good he is not proper all rounder

  • devil510 on February 27, 2010, 23:17 GMT

    the reason irfan is not in team is that he is not able to swing the bowl at around 140 150 speeds he lacks speed and as for his batting it is not that good either i am waiting to see shalabh srivastva and other some fast bowlers and spinners this year ipl how do they perform i would rather give chance to balaji infront of pathan and give chance to dhawal kulkarni and abhishek nayar rp singh pradeep sanghvan and other in front of irfan and ravindra jadeja

  • A1Kul on February 27, 2010, 22:21 GMT

    Never mind suggestions on how to stenghthen the batting. These are good suggestions for Nayer, Panday and Pujara.

    The problem is - when are we going to stop playing Sreesanth. He is a real liability. He goes for between 7 - 9 runs every ove. Even when other bowlers tie batsmen down, he comes on and gets the batsmen playing freely, so they score off our better bowlers too!

    Getting the odd wicket in swinging wickets in test matches is oK, but I cannot understand how he makes to 20/20 or 50 over teams! Any idesa?

  • Alexk400 on February 27, 2010, 22:01 GMT

    India is not good without sehwag to chase down big score. No one can be sehwag. Kohli , rohit sharma are just average players. You can't expect them to be next sachin , dravid or sehwag.

    Average players always inconsistent. i really think indians players lack strength and stamina to last big innings. That is the reason you see 50s and 60s not big hundreds.

    I don't know why murali vijay in ODIs. He is just unfit for anything. His fielding is exceptional though!.

    we need to dump r.sharna,kohli and bring in new crop of players.

    Most indian players passangers of revolving door selection.

  • nirav123 on February 27, 2010, 21:32 GMT

    i know its almost time for irfan pathan...he hasnt been selected and no reason for being out of the team long time ...sreesanth, mithun...nehra are not as good as irfan..irfan is the best swinging bowler as well as can bat sometimes...i have no clue why they dont select irfan...no one even talkes abt irfan even gary kirstan said one time he is the best all rounder in the team.....

  • BragBoy on February 27, 2010, 21:29 GMT

    I dont know why Murali Vijay was ever included in the ODI side. A player who is having real problems in playing short pitched deliveries should not have been considered in the side. Clearly the selection panel comprising Srikkanth has offered favor to Tamilnadu players. In fact, there are lot of better talent in the side already, there was never a need to test Murali Vijay. And the inclusion of Rohit Sharma back on the ODI side?!?!? It was a nutty decision and it back fired big time. India should not blame the inexperience of the players. They should have given a fight but with both V Kohli and R Sharma playing Dravidian innings sealed the match for the proteas.

  • shreesoft on February 27, 2010, 21:18 GMT

    I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THE SELCTORS DO THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN , THEY RESTED MAIN PLAYERS LIKE THEY HAVE WON WORLD CUP. COMON THEY HAVE WON 2 MATCHES IN A ROW AND OUR SELECTOR DOESNT WANT TO KEEP THE WINNING HABIT , EVEN THOUGH THEY DID IT THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN CHANCE TO SOME TALENTED PLAYER IF THEY REALLY WANT TO TEST YOUNG PLAYERS . THE WHOLE NATION FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WHY ABHISHEK NAYAR WAS NOT GIVEN A CHANCE EVEN TOUGH HE IS HANGIN WITH THE TEAM FOR LONG TIME . ANOTHER TALENT IS MANISH PANDEY , HE SHOULD BE GIVEN A CHANCE DEFINETLY .. BUT SHRIKATH WANTS SOUTH INDIAN PECIALLY TAMIL PLAYERS IN THE TEAM COMON GIVE UP THAT REGIONAL POLITICS .. MOST OF THE INDIANS WANT TO SEE ABHISHEK NAYAR AND MANISH PANDEY IN 2011 INDIAN TEAM COMON GIVE THEM A CHANCE .

  • ravikant.kisana on February 27, 2010, 20:20 GMT

    If you want to try bench strength atleast do it right.

    Two words - Cheteshwar Pujara. The guy just hit (yet another century) in the Vijay Hazare Trophy. Seriously, what does he need to get a look in? "Rohit Sharma is naturally talented" - I am tired of hearing that. 42 ODIs and an average under 25 is not India cap worthy!

    How many times will we try Yousuf Pathan? I am a huge fan of his, but maybe he is not ODI material. Why could we not try Amit Mishra/Ojha in his place? His 15-20 odd runs didn't really show a 'world cup' future. In case Bhajji is injured next year... we will have 2 spinners who really are ODI green horns!

    Also, "change of pace is not their strength" - well none of them were bowling at 145 kph, clearly bowling fast isn't one of their strengths either. India's pace battery is just Zaheer Khan and a long line mediocre 130-something bowlers with no variation.

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  • ravikant.kisana on February 27, 2010, 20:20 GMT

    If you want to try bench strength atleast do it right.

    Two words - Cheteshwar Pujara. The guy just hit (yet another century) in the Vijay Hazare Trophy. Seriously, what does he need to get a look in? "Rohit Sharma is naturally talented" - I am tired of hearing that. 42 ODIs and an average under 25 is not India cap worthy!

    How many times will we try Yousuf Pathan? I am a huge fan of his, but maybe he is not ODI material. Why could we not try Amit Mishra/Ojha in his place? His 15-20 odd runs didn't really show a 'world cup' future. In case Bhajji is injured next year... we will have 2 spinners who really are ODI green horns!

    Also, "change of pace is not their strength" - well none of them were bowling at 145 kph, clearly bowling fast isn't one of their strengths either. India's pace battery is just Zaheer Khan and a long line mediocre 130-something bowlers with no variation.

  • shreesoft on February 27, 2010, 21:18 GMT

    I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THE SELCTORS DO THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN , THEY RESTED MAIN PLAYERS LIKE THEY HAVE WON WORLD CUP. COMON THEY HAVE WON 2 MATCHES IN A ROW AND OUR SELECTOR DOESNT WANT TO KEEP THE WINNING HABIT , EVEN THOUGH THEY DID IT THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN CHANCE TO SOME TALENTED PLAYER IF THEY REALLY WANT TO TEST YOUNG PLAYERS . THE WHOLE NATION FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WHY ABHISHEK NAYAR WAS NOT GIVEN A CHANCE EVEN TOUGH HE IS HANGIN WITH THE TEAM FOR LONG TIME . ANOTHER TALENT IS MANISH PANDEY , HE SHOULD BE GIVEN A CHANCE DEFINETLY .. BUT SHRIKATH WANTS SOUTH INDIAN PECIALLY TAMIL PLAYERS IN THE TEAM COMON GIVE UP THAT REGIONAL POLITICS .. MOST OF THE INDIANS WANT TO SEE ABHISHEK NAYAR AND MANISH PANDEY IN 2011 INDIAN TEAM COMON GIVE THEM A CHANCE .

  • BragBoy on February 27, 2010, 21:29 GMT

    I dont know why Murali Vijay was ever included in the ODI side. A player who is having real problems in playing short pitched deliveries should not have been considered in the side. Clearly the selection panel comprising Srikkanth has offered favor to Tamilnadu players. In fact, there are lot of better talent in the side already, there was never a need to test Murali Vijay. And the inclusion of Rohit Sharma back on the ODI side?!?!? It was a nutty decision and it back fired big time. India should not blame the inexperience of the players. They should have given a fight but with both V Kohli and R Sharma playing Dravidian innings sealed the match for the proteas.

  • nirav123 on February 27, 2010, 21:32 GMT

    i know its almost time for irfan pathan...he hasnt been selected and no reason for being out of the team long time ...sreesanth, mithun...nehra are not as good as irfan..irfan is the best swinging bowler as well as can bat sometimes...i have no clue why they dont select irfan...no one even talkes abt irfan even gary kirstan said one time he is the best all rounder in the team.....

  • Alexk400 on February 27, 2010, 22:01 GMT

    India is not good without sehwag to chase down big score. No one can be sehwag. Kohli , rohit sharma are just average players. You can't expect them to be next sachin , dravid or sehwag.

    Average players always inconsistent. i really think indians players lack strength and stamina to last big innings. That is the reason you see 50s and 60s not big hundreds.

    I don't know why murali vijay in ODIs. He is just unfit for anything. His fielding is exceptional though!.

    we need to dump r.sharna,kohli and bring in new crop of players.

    Most indian players passangers of revolving door selection.

  • A1Kul on February 27, 2010, 22:21 GMT

    Never mind suggestions on how to stenghthen the batting. These are good suggestions for Nayer, Panday and Pujara.

    The problem is - when are we going to stop playing Sreesanth. He is a real liability. He goes for between 7 - 9 runs every ove. Even when other bowlers tie batsmen down, he comes on and gets the batsmen playing freely, so they score off our better bowlers too!

    Getting the odd wicket in swinging wickets in test matches is oK, but I cannot understand how he makes to 20/20 or 50 over teams! Any idesa?

  • devil510 on February 27, 2010, 23:17 GMT

    the reason irfan is not in team is that he is not able to swing the bowl at around 140 150 speeds he lacks speed and as for his batting it is not that good either i am waiting to see shalabh srivastva and other some fast bowlers and spinners this year ipl how do they perform i would rather give chance to balaji infront of pathan and give chance to dhawal kulkarni and abhishek nayar rp singh pradeep sanghvan and other in front of irfan and ravindra jadeja

  • devil510 on February 27, 2010, 23:19 GMT

    abhishek nayar kulkarni and pradeep sanghvan and other deserve chance in team in front of pathan pathan has not worked hard and does not listen how many time he has been told he can't be bowling medium pace he has to have 140 - 150 and his batting is not good he is not proper all rounder

  • jamrith on February 27, 2010, 23:47 GMT

    Just 3 days after the Little master scored his exquisite double century and dedicated it "all Indians', we have people raising regional issues and talking about South Indians, Dravidians etc. When will we ever change ? Sure, go ahead and critique the selection of the team for the 3rd ODI but don't drag regionalism into the issue. It is demeaning to all true fans.

  • snr1966 on February 27, 2010, 23:48 GMT

    I note the comments on Srikanth being a South Indian favouring Tamils. The whole of the country knows what a joke this is. How Tamil Nadu players have been suppressed and insulted all the way right from 1970s is not just history but is still current affairs. Balajis, S Rameshs, Hemant Badani and Badri (iuntil recently when the selectors were forced to do sometime to avoid embarrasment) is all known to everyone. VIjay has performed almost in every test that he has played and Badri scored a fighting 58 in his very first appearance against the mighty South Africa when Steyn went on a rampage with only Sehwag (other than Badri) able to cope up with the S.African bowling. DInesh Kartik performed in both the one dayers that India won against the S.Africans and experts had raised eyebrows as to why he is perenially in the benches - he is from Tamil Nadu as well - Stop this non-sense of South-North and State politics and think as an Indian.