Ireland news June 17, 2011

Hamish Marshall's international future in jeopardy

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Hamish Marshall's Ireland future was in doubt after financial complications emerged following his qualification for the country. Though Marshall, who was born in Auckland, completed the qualification period to play for Ireland in April, he wasn't considered for selection for any of Ireland's forthcoming engagements this summer as he is technically also eligible to play for England.

His nominal England qualification releases significant payment to his county, Gloucestershire, from the ECB under regulations that award a stipend for including England-qualified players. Playing for Ireland in the upcoming matches would jeopardise these payments, which Cricket Ireland suggested "would be unreasonable on Gloucestershire within a budgetary cycle".

"Since Cricket Ireland, for a similar budgetary reason, is unable to compensate Gloucestershire for their financial loss, Hamish's ability to play for Ireland in the short-term will remain under review," explained CI chief executive Warren Deutrom. "We shall remain in consultation with Hamish, Gloucestershire CCC and ECB over the coming weeks to determine how best to resolve the matter."

Marshall, 32, played the last of 66 ODIs against Ireland at the 2007 World Cup. He turned down a national contract with New Zealand ahead of the 2007-08 season so he could pursue a career in English domestic cricket as a local player, and also used his Irish passport to qualify for the Ireland team.

Marshall had hoped to resume his international career at the World Cup in India earlier this year, but he hadn't quite completed the requisite four-year qualification by the time the tournament began and was denied a special dispensation to play by the ICC. The current complications will delay his comeback even further.

Marshall's presence would have leant considerable experience to the Intercontinental Cup squad to face Namibia in Belfast at the end of June, as that group includes no fewer than five uncapped players. Graeme McCarter, the 18-year-old Ireland Under-19 seamer who signed a two-year contract with Gloucestershire in November 2010, has been called up for the first time, as has 20-year-old wicketkeeper-batsman Stuart Poynter. Poynter has been in impressive form this season with MCC Young Cricketers, and the Ireland selectors have reportedly received glowing reports.

Stuart Thompson, a 19-year-old allrounder, gets the opportunity to follow in his father Nigel's footsteps, the senior Thompson having played 18 times for Ireland between 1988 and 1992. Strabane opener Niall McDonnell, who was part of the squad for the ODI series against Pakistan in May but didn't make a starting XI, is the fifth member yet to be capped at the senior level.

Trent Johnston will captain the side for the 61st time in the absence of regular captain William Porterfield. Warwickshire batsman Porterfield is back at the helm for the limited-overs games against Namibia and the tri-series against Sri Lanka and Scotland in Edinburgh in July, and will be joined by county colleagues Niall O'Brien, Gary Wilson, and Boyd Rankin. Nigel Jones also features in the 14, having missed out on the four-day squad due to work commitments.

The one-day squad has a more familiar look to it, with no fewer than 12 of the 15 who took part in the World Cup included, but Ed Joyce isn't available due to personal reasons and offspinner Albert van der Merwe continues to recuperate from his elbow injury. O'Brien will miss the ODI against Scotland on July 12, and Wilson will miss the one-day fixture against Namibia on July 4, both due to county commitments.

Intercontinental Cup squad Trent Johnston (capt), Alex Cusack, George Dockrell, Chris Dougherty, John Mooney, Graeme McCarter, Niall McDonnell, Kevin O'Brien, Andrew Poynter, Stuart Poynter, Paul Stirling, Stuart Thompson, Andrew White.

Limited-overs squad for Namibia and tri-series William Porterfield (capt), Alex Cusack, George Dockrell, Trent Johnston, Nigel Jones, John Mooney, Graeme McCarter, Kevin O'Brien, Niall O'Brien, Andrew Poynter, Boyd Rankin, Paul Stirling, Andrew White, Gary Wilson.

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  • POSTED BY D.V.C. on | June 19, 2011, 5:45 GMT

    4 years is a long time to wait without having this sort of thing come up as well.

  • POSTED BY thenoostar on | June 18, 2011, 20:25 GMT

    The only reason there are no foreigners in the sub-continent test teams is because no one from a western country would want to live there. If there were 50 million Australasian's living in India, they would probably represent half the team. If there were 1 billion Australians, they would have an entire team that batted like Bradman and bowled as well as Warne/Marshall/Trueman and could keep like knott.

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 16:10 GMT

    bring in players from eng, aus, nz, sa for team ireland and keep on crying how super qualified ireland is for test and world cup.

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 14:23 GMT

    Thats will gr8 when two marshall play for ireland. Team ireland will strong then.

  • POSTED BY JavagalSrinath on | June 18, 2011, 13:30 GMT

    One more idiotic rule by ICC is making a player wait for 4 years to represent another country, I feel any player who gets a citizenship in another country should be allowed to play cricket there from the day he gets it. Governments have given citizenshi

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 12:07 GMT

    @AndyZaltzmannsHair, sorry I didn't read what you said properly or I took it the wrong way :(,

    James Marshall is he any good?, :)

    @nmdasaya, he is injured at the moment, I hope he is back soon, Niall is a top player of spin and someone we need back soon :)...

  • POSTED BY amclean on | June 18, 2011, 11:02 GMT

    @vivekdhayalan_indian_tamilan - James Marshall would have to wait until next summer to qualify for Ireland when his stand-down period would end. He played for NZ up until 2008 when, ironically, his last game was against Ireland, in Aberdeen of all places!

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 10:32 GMT

    @ Buddima,

    Australia reduced to minnows?

    England maybe, but the only 'culturally' non-Australian would be Usman Khawaja who's played all of one test match, and he's lived here since he was a little kid.

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 9:30 GMT

    @Black-Panther, it would be interesting if teams were decided on cultural background instead of where they play for example jeetan patel has to play for india, brendon nash has to play for australia. of course it wouldnt be manageable or whatever, and for some players their adopted country is their first choice blah blah blah but it would be quite interesting to see. there will be players who would never make their national team in thier home countries but would be in their adopted countries 9 times out of 10 i just wonder what the teams would look like, would australia/england be reduced to minnows would bangladesh produce the finest cricketers in the world, who knows haha

  • POSTED BY Vernacular_Press on | June 18, 2011, 9:24 GMT

    Is james marshall eligible to play for ireland

  • POSTED BY D.V.C. on | June 19, 2011, 5:45 GMT

    4 years is a long time to wait without having this sort of thing come up as well.

  • POSTED BY thenoostar on | June 18, 2011, 20:25 GMT

    The only reason there are no foreigners in the sub-continent test teams is because no one from a western country would want to live there. If there were 50 million Australasian's living in India, they would probably represent half the team. If there were 1 billion Australians, they would have an entire team that batted like Bradman and bowled as well as Warne/Marshall/Trueman and could keep like knott.

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 16:10 GMT

    bring in players from eng, aus, nz, sa for team ireland and keep on crying how super qualified ireland is for test and world cup.

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 14:23 GMT

    Thats will gr8 when two marshall play for ireland. Team ireland will strong then.

  • POSTED BY JavagalSrinath on | June 18, 2011, 13:30 GMT

    One more idiotic rule by ICC is making a player wait for 4 years to represent another country, I feel any player who gets a citizenship in another country should be allowed to play cricket there from the day he gets it. Governments have given citizenshi

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 12:07 GMT

    @AndyZaltzmannsHair, sorry I didn't read what you said properly or I took it the wrong way :(,

    James Marshall is he any good?, :)

    @nmdasaya, he is injured at the moment, I hope he is back soon, Niall is a top player of spin and someone we need back soon :)...

  • POSTED BY amclean on | June 18, 2011, 11:02 GMT

    @vivekdhayalan_indian_tamilan - James Marshall would have to wait until next summer to qualify for Ireland when his stand-down period would end. He played for NZ up until 2008 when, ironically, his last game was against Ireland, in Aberdeen of all places!

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 10:32 GMT

    @ Buddima,

    Australia reduced to minnows?

    England maybe, but the only 'culturally' non-Australian would be Usman Khawaja who's played all of one test match, and he's lived here since he was a little kid.

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 9:30 GMT

    @Black-Panther, it would be interesting if teams were decided on cultural background instead of where they play for example jeetan patel has to play for india, brendon nash has to play for australia. of course it wouldnt be manageable or whatever, and for some players their adopted country is their first choice blah blah blah but it would be quite interesting to see. there will be players who would never make their national team in thier home countries but would be in their adopted countries 9 times out of 10 i just wonder what the teams would look like, would australia/england be reduced to minnows would bangladesh produce the finest cricketers in the world, who knows haha

  • POSTED BY Vernacular_Press on | June 18, 2011, 9:24 GMT

    Is james marshall eligible to play for ireland

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 8:48 GMT

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  • POSTED BY Cricketfan333 on | June 18, 2011, 8:47 GMT

    Ireland have not just lost Morgan or Joyce(for 4 yrs) to Eng.As we see P'field,Niall,Wilson,Rankin becoming unavailable to play for Ire in many fixtures.There is no reason to blame Ireland for importing players as they are without their best players in many tournaments.

  • POSTED BY nmdasaya on | June 18, 2011, 8:23 GMT

    where is neil obrein he is brilliant form these days!!

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 4:47 GMT

    Seriously, this is stupid. New Zealand needs good middle-order batsmen with Styris and Oram gone. (Yes I know that Oram went downhill, but he could still swing a bat, bet the bowler he is replaced with isn't.)

    On the other hand Neil Wagner... Ireland/England you can keep Marshall.

  • POSTED BY AndyZaltzmannsHair on | June 18, 2011, 4:23 GMT

    @Colm Mooney: I've got nothing against Ireland. And I'm not berating them in this instance. God knows the English have stolen enough players from you in the past.

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 2:07 GMT

    Can't wait for the day Ireland become a full-member or test nation. They play a brand of cricket that many top nations could learn from.

  • POSTED BY skidmarks on | June 18, 2011, 0:44 GMT

    couldn't he just stay in new zealand with his brother...

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2011, 21:55 GMT

    Also with Ireland losing players to England we have to try and replace them and I think Marshall will bring a lot to Ireland,

    we lose Morgan we gain Marshall, I can't see anyone saying we gained Joyce, the guy was born in Ireland,

    it's just a pity a talent like Joyce was made to sit on the bench for 3 3/4 years because he wanted to come back and play for Ireland the country he was born in,

    then if Porterfield wants to play for England tomorrow then he doesn't have to wait 4 years from his last Irish game,

    @Andy, at least Marshall has Irish family and has an Irish passport from his grandparents and he didn't get to play for Ireland just because he was playing club cricket in Ireland, he got it through family,

    anyways give Ireland the help we need, and players like this will help develop our younger players,

    also Trent Johnston back as captain :) can't wait to see TJ back leading the team :)...

  • POSTED BY amclean on | June 17, 2011, 19:44 GMT

    It wasn't a 'qualification period', rather it was a 'stand-down' period after Marshall ended his NZ career, in the same way as Ed Joyce did.

    Gloucestershire have had the benefit of Marshall's Irish heritage from the moment he decided to commit himself to the county and not be available for NZ. So, this 'significant payment to his county' is incidental bonus.

    The ECB needs to step in quickly here. Gloucestershire are receiving a 'stipend for including England-qualified players' but it is a form-over-substance payment here. Why should it matter that Marshall now goes on to play for another country? Joyce also qualifies for England but that hasn't stopped Sussex letting him play for Ireland. Was Sussex compensated? Unlikely I suspect.

    More importantly, morally Gloucestershire owes Marshall. He has served the county well and has made his desire to play for Ireland clear. He was signed as an Irishman after all! The county should let him go, with or without the ECB payment.

  • POSTED BY Black-Panther on | June 17, 2011, 17:52 GMT

    May we have a English team with 11 English Players... PLEASE JUST ONCE...

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2011, 17:08 GMT

    I hope it can get sorted out soon and that he can play for Ireland as soon as possible, hopefully in time for the ICC games :)...

  • POSTED BY AndyZaltzmannsHair on | June 17, 2011, 17:02 GMT

    A New Zealander wants to play cricket for Ireland but he's contracted to an English county club and is theoretically able to play for England which means Gloucestershire get awarded a certain amount for including him, as a de facto "Englishman". So if he plays for Ireland, he can no longer come under the list of players who can play for England and Gloucs lose out on their "bonus" money. And he's already represented NZ in 13 Test matches, but that doesn't matter. Interesting cricket times we live in. As the old saying goes "Fancy getting bowled by a China man", it won't be long before this is meant literally and not as an amusing term for left hand leg spin bowlers. My bet is on the China man to represent England at the 2019 WC. Still unsure whether he'll be a left arm leg spin bowler, though it would be amusingly coincidental.

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  • POSTED BY AndyZaltzmannsHair on | June 17, 2011, 17:02 GMT

    A New Zealander wants to play cricket for Ireland but he's contracted to an English county club and is theoretically able to play for England which means Gloucestershire get awarded a certain amount for including him, as a de facto "Englishman". So if he plays for Ireland, he can no longer come under the list of players who can play for England and Gloucs lose out on their "bonus" money. And he's already represented NZ in 13 Test matches, but that doesn't matter. Interesting cricket times we live in. As the old saying goes "Fancy getting bowled by a China man", it won't be long before this is meant literally and not as an amusing term for left hand leg spin bowlers. My bet is on the China man to represent England at the 2019 WC. Still unsure whether he'll be a left arm leg spin bowler, though it would be amusingly coincidental.

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2011, 17:08 GMT

    I hope it can get sorted out soon and that he can play for Ireland as soon as possible, hopefully in time for the ICC games :)...

  • POSTED BY Black-Panther on | June 17, 2011, 17:52 GMT

    May we have a English team with 11 English Players... PLEASE JUST ONCE...

  • POSTED BY amclean on | June 17, 2011, 19:44 GMT

    It wasn't a 'qualification period', rather it was a 'stand-down' period after Marshall ended his NZ career, in the same way as Ed Joyce did.

    Gloucestershire have had the benefit of Marshall's Irish heritage from the moment he decided to commit himself to the county and not be available for NZ. So, this 'significant payment to his county' is incidental bonus.

    The ECB needs to step in quickly here. Gloucestershire are receiving a 'stipend for including England-qualified players' but it is a form-over-substance payment here. Why should it matter that Marshall now goes on to play for another country? Joyce also qualifies for England but that hasn't stopped Sussex letting him play for Ireland. Was Sussex compensated? Unlikely I suspect.

    More importantly, morally Gloucestershire owes Marshall. He has served the county well and has made his desire to play for Ireland clear. He was signed as an Irishman after all! The county should let him go, with or without the ECB payment.

  • POSTED BY on | June 17, 2011, 21:55 GMT

    Also with Ireland losing players to England we have to try and replace them and I think Marshall will bring a lot to Ireland,

    we lose Morgan we gain Marshall, I can't see anyone saying we gained Joyce, the guy was born in Ireland,

    it's just a pity a talent like Joyce was made to sit on the bench for 3 3/4 years because he wanted to come back and play for Ireland the country he was born in,

    then if Porterfield wants to play for England tomorrow then he doesn't have to wait 4 years from his last Irish game,

    @Andy, at least Marshall has Irish family and has an Irish passport from his grandparents and he didn't get to play for Ireland just because he was playing club cricket in Ireland, he got it through family,

    anyways give Ireland the help we need, and players like this will help develop our younger players,

    also Trent Johnston back as captain :) can't wait to see TJ back leading the team :)...

  • POSTED BY skidmarks on | June 18, 2011, 0:44 GMT

    couldn't he just stay in new zealand with his brother...

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 2:07 GMT

    Can't wait for the day Ireland become a full-member or test nation. They play a brand of cricket that many top nations could learn from.

  • POSTED BY AndyZaltzmannsHair on | June 18, 2011, 4:23 GMT

    @Colm Mooney: I've got nothing against Ireland. And I'm not berating them in this instance. God knows the English have stolen enough players from you in the past.

  • POSTED BY on | June 18, 2011, 4:47 GMT

    Seriously, this is stupid. New Zealand needs good middle-order batsmen with Styris and Oram gone. (Yes I know that Oram went downhill, but he could still swing a bat, bet the bowler he is replaced with isn't.)

    On the other hand Neil Wagner... Ireland/England you can keep Marshall.

  • POSTED BY nmdasaya on | June 18, 2011, 8:23 GMT

    where is neil obrein he is brilliant form these days!!