Pakistan v South Africa, 5th ODI, Lahore October 29, 2007

Passing on the choker tag

Pakistan threw it all away in a manner to rival the best efforts of their opponents, South Africa
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Pakistan lost as their batsmen succumbed to panic in sight of victory © AFP

Will the real, true chokers please stand up? South Africa have, fairly or not, acquired a bit of a reputation for choking during big moments over the last decade. If they're not careful, then after their final lapses in the ICC World Twenty20 and this loss here, Pakistan might catch up and even surpass that reputation.

Six wickets for 20 runs in 36 balls when the game was all but wrapped up is a collapse that 1990s Pakistan would've been proud of. You'd like to think that it was a magical, spectacular burst of reverse swing that did Pakistan in, much as it did many of Pakistan's opponents - including South Africa - many times in the past.

But this fall was sparked by ostensibly far more mundane, constant ingredients. Albie Morkel, Makhaya Ntini and gang bowled with discipline and much commitment, nothing more. The fielding was outstanding - within context, AB de Villiers' catch to dismiss Shahid Afridi will be difficult to better - but an equal accomplice was the batting born of supreme panic.

Among the many concerns Pakistan take from this series straight in to India, the batting will be the biggest. They tried, tinkered, tampered and twiddled through this series but failed to find an opening pair that could provide more than a 42-run start. The only time the batting has looked calm, in control and secure is when Younis Khan, Mohammad Yousuf and to an extent Shoaib Malik have been at the crease. Once they fell today, the terror was tangible, as Graeme Smith expertly recognised: "Yousuf and Younis are the lifeline of their batting." To burden them so, continually, will tell at some point because beyond them, Pakistan are on a wing and a prayer.

Shoaib Akhtar's return and Rao Iftikhar Anjum's growth has given the attack a healthier feel no doubt; one plus point from this decider's debris in fact was the restriction of South Africa without Umar Gul and Mohammad Asif. But it will matter little if Kamran Akmal continues to flounder. Where South Africa held all of what came their way, Akmal dropped Jacques Kallis on 2. It was a chance Geoffrey Boycott's mother would've fancied. That fluff apart, Pakistan's fielding wasn't poor today, but it has fluctuated wildly and in no discipline is that a good trait.

Yet Pakistan's ills should take nothing away from South Africa, for you will not find more deserving winners. Right through this tour, they have wanted every session, every day, every match just that much more. They have planned well and executed even better.

Their top order has ground out runs, blasted them and stolen them with discipline and fair verve. Unlike Pakistan they have done so as a group. Where five of their batsmen have made at least a fifty and two have made hundreds, only three Pakistan batsmen scored fifties. South Africa have played on wickets they clearly dislike yet have countered whatever the conditions have flung their way.

Their bowlers have followed, even in defeat. Collectively, they bowled two no-balls over five matches. Pakistan bowled two no-balls before the first over ended in today's match. Pakistan gave away 52 wides and no-balls, South Africa just 29 and in the decider, where it mattered the most they gave away seven. Pakistan conceded ten extras, and with the one dropped chance, duly wrote away a series win.

An unbelievable win, Graeme Smith rightly called it and a stepping stone to the future. More wins like this and the choker tag may not stick around so stubbornly. For Pakistan, a fresh era could not have started in a more worrying fashion. With India and Australia to come, where pressure will be greater even than it was today, it is unlikely to get any easier.

Osman Samiuddin is the Pakistan editor of Cricinfo

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  • POSTED BY junaidafzal on | November 3, 2007, 8:20 GMT

    i can't understand why we are playing in this passion and how long we will continue this? Just recently we have lost the 20-20 worldcup and now in this series again, i am watching the consistance pattern in which we are playing when we are chasing.Why we reach at the target after 45 overs?Is that our game plan??Can't we finish the game a bit earlier.Why we make problems for ourself while chasing even if we have to chase just 100 runs.Australian,South African,Sri Lankans also chase and win the matches but their game plan never look like to win the game in 45th over.How many crucial matches we had loss just becuase of this silly approach. Is there anyone to let them know about this message

  • POSTED BY INFYNANA on | October 31, 2007, 13:14 GMT

    According to me it was the poor shot selection from afridi & misbah despite the reqd run rate was well less near 4.0, lead the way to loss....it was also the great catches from Villiers & boucher lead SA to win

  • POSTED BY sunny_deol on | October 30, 2007, 15:32 GMT

    My Dear Pakistani Fans, I see so much similarity between the comments posted by Indian fans after India loses. We also cry for heads of players.. I hope games between India and Pakistan are close and interesting and played in good spirits. I will love India to win BUT more importantly we should have good cricket games in good spirits.

  • POSTED BY Aamir_Sajjad on | October 30, 2007, 15:30 GMT

    Yet another dissappointing display from Pakistan team,specially from the batting point of view. One can expect such a batting collapse in future as well because looking into the Pakistan side we can find a lot of batsmen who not technically correct.Its very dissappointing that we have players like Misbah,imran Nazir,shahid afridi,taufiq umer who are not technically correct at all but still playing for Pakistan at international level. Now is the time for the PCB to really take a serious action and search for batsmen who are technically sound. Because its the batting that is letting us down most of the times. There is lots of talent in Pakistan. I am sure if a serious effort is made PCB they will find a lots of brilliant players. we cannot expect a very good performance from Pakistan in the indian tour but still being a Pakistani I wish good them good luck.

  • POSTED BY Rashid-Waraich on | October 30, 2007, 14:09 GMT

    There is one thing the cricket board has to learn and tell all the players that they are not heroes, they are only paid professionals who are paid to play good. If they don't play good, they would be fired. That is how it works in Australia and thats how it works in real life. The problem with us (Pakistanis and Indians) is that we don't understand the difference between a professional and a hero. Imagine how much money we give these immature players per year to playu for Pakistan and what is the out put. By sitting in front of the TV or going to the Stadium WE pay for their lucrative fees and what do we get in response. Shaid Afridi is the worst cricketer I have ever seen. Let anyone play 245 matches like Afridi and I can bet my life that result would be different.

    Imran Nazir, Shahid Afridi and Younis Khan should be banned to play cricket for Pakistan.

    I am not sure if I am going to waste any more of my time watching Pakistani team play (I wish I could wirte here CRICKET).

  • POSTED BY reality_check on | October 30, 2007, 12:37 GMT

    It's not right to blame one individual for the loss when the whole foundation of cricket in Pakistan is poor. Swapping one player for another are just cosmetic changes to keep the gullible fans happy and talking. If we want to compete with the best then we have to be prepared for it from the ground up. Create some fast/bouncy pitches, groom the young players and let them prove their skills for few years before bringing them to the national team. Our openers are a joke. What kind of cricket country are we that we can't find two openers who can bat long enough for fans to finish a cup of tea. Feels like our selectors have a pool of best "gulli danda" players to select the team from rather then FC cricket. Look at Aussies... they are geriatrics compared to our "youthfull" team BUT they win matches and that's what counts at the end of the day.

  • POSTED BY Z-E-E on | October 30, 2007, 11:45 GMT

    Pakistan Lost & They Lost the Grace as well. Now PCB should review their selector's Panel and also the policy to try try again the TRIED PLAYERS. To me the culprits are:

    1- KAMRAN AKMAL; who, I claim, is now a leading expert, by a distance, in dropping chances. 2- SHAHID AFRIDI; who is so short of intelligence and maturity that talent can do none. 3- Misbah Ul Haq; who must had to realize that he is filling the boots of INZI and so his role is not a dasher but a finisher.

    For God and Pakistan's sake please get them out of team or Pakistan should quit the international cricket.

  • POSTED BY SF723 on | October 30, 2007, 11:44 GMT

    The one day series showed that batting isnt one of our strengths. I feel that you can only rely on three individuals in the team as far as the batting goes: Younis, Yousuf and Malik (his consistency has improved alot). I think it would be harsh to say that Maliks captaincy let us down. On that front i think Pakistan have a smart, down to earth and reliable individual. The problems are simple but there are a lot of them. We dont have an opening pair simple as that. Our wicketkeeper despite the number of chances provided to him to prove his worth is shoddy, extremely shoddy. Misbah doesnt deserve to be at number 5. Ok he did well at the T20 but drafting in a 33 year old who has yet to prove himself at this level is a huge mistake. Imran Nazir has all the shots in the book but he lacks one thing: a brain. He has a habit of throwing his wicket away and old habits die hard. My only worry is where is the talent coming thru to fill these huge holes.

  • POSTED BY faltuooo on | October 30, 2007, 11:21 GMT

    Hm...wat to say, Irresponsible top order, succumbing meakly to the pressure by the tail enders. Look at the final one day between the India and australia in bombay. The fantastic australia side which are best finishers of game could not mutilate the tail of India. India's tail wagged merrily , so wat pak learnt from their arch rival i don't know. "Never say die" was the attitude each player should have. Shahid afridi is not consistant he is aseasonal player, he should be selected only on rotational basis. Misbah-ul haq is surprise selection. Imran nazir had game, but he is not a match winner. All that we need is consistant players like mohammed yousuf and younis khan The selection should think every day and everyaspect before challanging India

  • POSTED BY Nabil.H on | October 30, 2007, 11:02 GMT

    In my eyes the Pakistan team has done a great disservice to the nation. It is about time that someone take the players by their shirts and give them a swift talking to. I have had enough of having the nation's hearts broken time and time again by this Pakistani team. Any team that puts on its countries national colours should look proud to be wearing them and should give their all for the country. Unfortunately A Pakistani supporter in the last few months if not couple of years have been bombarded with one abject surrender after another. Either the team has been incapable of handling the pressure or they seem unwilling to fight with their heart and soul for the country. Yesterday's final was a case in point at one stage requiring only 80 runs to win with 7 wickets in hand and 20 overs remaining, at another 25 runs needed of 7 overs with 5 wickets in hand. Yet they still contrived to lose the match.

  • POSTED BY junaidafzal on | November 3, 2007, 8:20 GMT

    i can't understand why we are playing in this passion and how long we will continue this? Just recently we have lost the 20-20 worldcup and now in this series again, i am watching the consistance pattern in which we are playing when we are chasing.Why we reach at the target after 45 overs?Is that our game plan??Can't we finish the game a bit earlier.Why we make problems for ourself while chasing even if we have to chase just 100 runs.Australian,South African,Sri Lankans also chase and win the matches but their game plan never look like to win the game in 45th over.How many crucial matches we had loss just becuase of this silly approach. Is there anyone to let them know about this message

  • POSTED BY INFYNANA on | October 31, 2007, 13:14 GMT

    According to me it was the poor shot selection from afridi & misbah despite the reqd run rate was well less near 4.0, lead the way to loss....it was also the great catches from Villiers & boucher lead SA to win

  • POSTED BY sunny_deol on | October 30, 2007, 15:32 GMT

    My Dear Pakistani Fans, I see so much similarity between the comments posted by Indian fans after India loses. We also cry for heads of players.. I hope games between India and Pakistan are close and interesting and played in good spirits. I will love India to win BUT more importantly we should have good cricket games in good spirits.

  • POSTED BY Aamir_Sajjad on | October 30, 2007, 15:30 GMT

    Yet another dissappointing display from Pakistan team,specially from the batting point of view. One can expect such a batting collapse in future as well because looking into the Pakistan side we can find a lot of batsmen who not technically correct.Its very dissappointing that we have players like Misbah,imran Nazir,shahid afridi,taufiq umer who are not technically correct at all but still playing for Pakistan at international level. Now is the time for the PCB to really take a serious action and search for batsmen who are technically sound. Because its the batting that is letting us down most of the times. There is lots of talent in Pakistan. I am sure if a serious effort is made PCB they will find a lots of brilliant players. we cannot expect a very good performance from Pakistan in the indian tour but still being a Pakistani I wish good them good luck.

  • POSTED BY Rashid-Waraich on | October 30, 2007, 14:09 GMT

    There is one thing the cricket board has to learn and tell all the players that they are not heroes, they are only paid professionals who are paid to play good. If they don't play good, they would be fired. That is how it works in Australia and thats how it works in real life. The problem with us (Pakistanis and Indians) is that we don't understand the difference between a professional and a hero. Imagine how much money we give these immature players per year to playu for Pakistan and what is the out put. By sitting in front of the TV or going to the Stadium WE pay for their lucrative fees and what do we get in response. Shaid Afridi is the worst cricketer I have ever seen. Let anyone play 245 matches like Afridi and I can bet my life that result would be different.

    Imran Nazir, Shahid Afridi and Younis Khan should be banned to play cricket for Pakistan.

    I am not sure if I am going to waste any more of my time watching Pakistani team play (I wish I could wirte here CRICKET).

  • POSTED BY reality_check on | October 30, 2007, 12:37 GMT

    It's not right to blame one individual for the loss when the whole foundation of cricket in Pakistan is poor. Swapping one player for another are just cosmetic changes to keep the gullible fans happy and talking. If we want to compete with the best then we have to be prepared for it from the ground up. Create some fast/bouncy pitches, groom the young players and let them prove their skills for few years before bringing them to the national team. Our openers are a joke. What kind of cricket country are we that we can't find two openers who can bat long enough for fans to finish a cup of tea. Feels like our selectors have a pool of best "gulli danda" players to select the team from rather then FC cricket. Look at Aussies... they are geriatrics compared to our "youthfull" team BUT they win matches and that's what counts at the end of the day.

  • POSTED BY Z-E-E on | October 30, 2007, 11:45 GMT

    Pakistan Lost & They Lost the Grace as well. Now PCB should review their selector's Panel and also the policy to try try again the TRIED PLAYERS. To me the culprits are:

    1- KAMRAN AKMAL; who, I claim, is now a leading expert, by a distance, in dropping chances. 2- SHAHID AFRIDI; who is so short of intelligence and maturity that talent can do none. 3- Misbah Ul Haq; who must had to realize that he is filling the boots of INZI and so his role is not a dasher but a finisher.

    For God and Pakistan's sake please get them out of team or Pakistan should quit the international cricket.

  • POSTED BY SF723 on | October 30, 2007, 11:44 GMT

    The one day series showed that batting isnt one of our strengths. I feel that you can only rely on three individuals in the team as far as the batting goes: Younis, Yousuf and Malik (his consistency has improved alot). I think it would be harsh to say that Maliks captaincy let us down. On that front i think Pakistan have a smart, down to earth and reliable individual. The problems are simple but there are a lot of them. We dont have an opening pair simple as that. Our wicketkeeper despite the number of chances provided to him to prove his worth is shoddy, extremely shoddy. Misbah doesnt deserve to be at number 5. Ok he did well at the T20 but drafting in a 33 year old who has yet to prove himself at this level is a huge mistake. Imran Nazir has all the shots in the book but he lacks one thing: a brain. He has a habit of throwing his wicket away and old habits die hard. My only worry is where is the talent coming thru to fill these huge holes.

  • POSTED BY faltuooo on | October 30, 2007, 11:21 GMT

    Hm...wat to say, Irresponsible top order, succumbing meakly to the pressure by the tail enders. Look at the final one day between the India and australia in bombay. The fantastic australia side which are best finishers of game could not mutilate the tail of India. India's tail wagged merrily , so wat pak learnt from their arch rival i don't know. "Never say die" was the attitude each player should have. Shahid afridi is not consistant he is aseasonal player, he should be selected only on rotational basis. Misbah-ul haq is surprise selection. Imran nazir had game, but he is not a match winner. All that we need is consistant players like mohammed yousuf and younis khan The selection should think every day and everyaspect before challanging India

  • POSTED BY Nabil.H on | October 30, 2007, 11:02 GMT

    In my eyes the Pakistan team has done a great disservice to the nation. It is about time that someone take the players by their shirts and give them a swift talking to. I have had enough of having the nation's hearts broken time and time again by this Pakistani team. Any team that puts on its countries national colours should look proud to be wearing them and should give their all for the country. Unfortunately A Pakistani supporter in the last few months if not couple of years have been bombarded with one abject surrender after another. Either the team has been incapable of handling the pressure or they seem unwilling to fight with their heart and soul for the country. Yesterday's final was a case in point at one stage requiring only 80 runs to win with 7 wickets in hand and 20 overs remaining, at another 25 runs needed of 7 overs with 5 wickets in hand. Yet they still contrived to lose the match.

  • POSTED BY shehrose on | October 30, 2007, 10:22 GMT

    Among West Indies , South Africa now Pakistan in Choker's Club. However West Indies and Pakistan teams are unpredictable that shows lack of technique and patience and premature brains.

  • POSTED BY zack123456 on | October 30, 2007, 9:59 GMT

    well what to say i have no words to explain my feeling what Pakistan team has done in 5th ODI. It was such shame that these top 11 players appointed from the entire country could not chase ONLY "14 RUNS". i believe Shahid Afridi should be out of the team because out of 5 ODI'S he performed in 2 ODI'S there is no consistency in him. I believe there should be revolution in Pakistan Cricket "Picked up NEW players from the inter-state those who deserve to play international level and sacked the current Pakistan Cricket Team out of international status" because definitely Pakistan Team will loss again in India. I have no hopes with this team. i will be glad if this message convey to the entire team... thank you

  • POSTED BY aamirl on | October 30, 2007, 7:58 GMT

    Pakistan cricket team played non-seriously against South Africa. Senior players did not played up to the expectations. In my view, there is no place for Misbah, Shahid Afridi, Imran Nazir and Yasir Hameed to play again for Pakistan. They were given many chances but did not play any good innings. Shoiab Malik is not mature enough to do the role of captain. Muhammad Yusuf or Younis Khan should be selected as new captain. The role of new coach was not visible in the body language of the players. The board needs to take some serious efforts to save the reputation of Pakistan cricket team as the team is lossing home series every year.

  • POSTED BY AryanArnav on | October 30, 2007, 7:24 GMT

    From the comments that have been posted so far, it shows how much pakistan is dissapointed with the teams attitude. There is no doubt that pakistan is a quality team. It is only the mental blog / attitude that is letting the games to slip by. It was always the reverse of what is happening these days to the pakistan team. There were so many matches that they use to come from behined and win with some exceptional batting / bowling display. It was alwasys fun watching them perform, ofcourse not while playing with india. No body can take the place of inzi but they still have so many talented guys with them. It is harsh to critisize so hard, I am sure they all would be more dissapointed with their performances then anyone else. Let everyone put the dissapointing performances back and tighten up for the next series. We all wish a enjoyable and fighting series with India. All the best to both the teams.

  • POSTED BY srazzaqkhan on | October 30, 2007, 7:24 GMT

    Yet another time our team has let us down! They have developed a habit of taking the game to the wire and loosing it from there...as said victory is a victory whether from an inch or a mile. I am sure they have prepared a speech beforehand reading that we tried our level best but unfortunately... We have talented players but lack temprament, it seems they are not ready for the international cricket even after playing more than 200 games! They performed better in 20-20 coz they are fimilar with such format but when it comes to real streched version of the game they just bow down. I know for a fact that victory could have saved them from all criticism but the fact remains that we have lot of loop holes in the team and that needs to be fixed. It should start from scratch...coach, management should groom the players rahter than just making money for themselves. Our team is heading for a complete slump, actions should be taken now or it will be too late!

  • POSTED BY saluu on | October 30, 2007, 6:28 GMT

    I won't talk about what afridi or misbah did,Just see the attitude of team .Akhter came at the end and there was no though in his mind that he can do this he had lost this match in his mind to play that terrible shots even after watching his teammates blunders. With this attitude u cant get anything even if u have greatest skill set. GReat Muhammad ali clay once said"Champions have the will and the skill but there will is greater than there skill".

  • POSTED BY bipulkumar on | October 30, 2007, 5:57 GMT

    I watched the Pakistan Vs South Africa match and I must say I witnessed the most bizzare batting display I have ever seen. From point of no loss to a grand loss, it looked like a bunch of players going to the middle just to humiliate a nation. The entire team looked like a bunch of jokers who can't even calculate that 40 runs in 66 balls means less than a single per ball with 6 wickets in hand. Imran Nazir, Kamran Akmal, Younus Khan, Mohammad Yusuf, Shahid Afridi, Misbah-ul-haq, Shoaib Akhtar all threw their wickets (and sorry to say they did it yet again). And most embarrasing is the fact that this team represent the best eleven Pakistan has got.

  • POSTED BY YemAr on | October 30, 2007, 5:35 GMT

    What Pakistan is lacking at present is that they don't have a complete batsman who could carry on the team till the win. They don't have the dependable batsmen such as Saleem Malik,Javed Miandad or Inzamam-ul-Haq. I think captaincy issue is bothering Younis Khan from giving his best. Team coach should guide the players and properly advise them during the course of the play - as to play till 30th over, concentrate on singles and twos, don't go for aerial shots, no risky singles at this point of time etc.

    Unless Pakistan plays sensibly by session by session, they will continue to lose in this fashion.

    Mr. Naseem Ashraf - wake up and appoint intelligent ex-crickers as administators so that they can analyze each tour, opponents' strengths, weaknesses and select team accordingly.

  • POSTED BY Mangol on | October 30, 2007, 5:23 GMT

    Pakistani batsman are not effective in any moment except malik,yousuf and younus. All they are chilidish batsman who knows nothing of game moment. Pakistani batsman are always struggling during this series. Pls Mr malik why don't you open the innings yourself ? Every opening pair has been failed, lost early wicket and pressure to the team. Please open with captain and butt. I think it will definately work in future indian. series

  • POSTED BY omarmasood40 on | October 30, 2007, 5:12 GMT

    Mr. Samiuddin has committed a completely unforgivable sin by handing the crown of "cricket chokers", which was held so posthumously by South Africa for a little more than a decade, to Pakistan.

    I mean, Pakistan did technically "choke" in their last match but c'mon Osman; you know better than me that for a team to be labeled as chokers they need to have a consistent winning record and only lose big matches (like against Australia, etc.)

    South Africa usually dominate their opponents and are the only team, apart from India if they play to their potential and sack their selectors for "resting Dravid (my apologies for the unrelated tangent),who have a realistic chance of beating Australia at the moment. The only reason they manage to lose games against the Aussies is because they can't handle the mental pressure of a big match situation-it has nothing to do with their cricket skill and talent.The thing about Pakistan is that, at the moment, all they have is potential and that's it.

  • POSTED BY AbdulMaalik on | October 30, 2007, 4:37 GMT

    It was very frustrating that Pakistan lost the series when it was in their grasp.Now Pakistan cricket board will have to make some bold decisions if they want to save pakistan cricket.First,Cricket bosses should appoint such a person as team captain who would have his place in the team even if he is removed from the captaincy.To me,shoaib malik doesn't deserve a place in test cricket as a batsman because he doesn't posess a batsman's technique. So he should not be test captain.This is simple.In one day matches he deserve the place as he is an accumulator of runs and also a very good fielder.Muhammad Yousuf should be test captain and he or shoaib malik should be one day captain.Asim kamal should replace shoaib malik in test matches.Moreover,Zulqarnain or any other specialist wicket keeper should play in test mathces whereas Younis khan should keep wickets in oneday mathces.This will increase Younis's efficacy in oneday cricket,also allowing pakistan to play with extra batsman or bowler

  • POSTED BY nbajwa on | October 30, 2007, 4:23 GMT

    Well What can one say? If this continues Pakistan cricket is going to follow the footsteps of Pakistan hockey. There wont be any spectators left to watch the game. It is said that the game has become a business enterprise. Ok fine but like all business enterprises where is the accountability. Why can not the players accountable for their stupidity in field. Why can not their part of their earnings based on their performance. Present Pakistan team is a bunch of immatures who only play for themselves and only when they feel like it. Their is absolutely no professionalism. Shoaib Malik can not even justify his place in a national team and he is appointed captain. For God's sake grow up. Its right time now to get rid of the lottery tickets that Pakistan team is carrying for last so many yeas. Imran Nazir, Shahid Afridi, Kamran Akmal, Misbah ul Haq are only wasting time and resources of the entire nation. The could never become professionals no matter who is there as coach.-Nadeem

  • POSTED BY JavedMansoor on | October 30, 2007, 4:13 GMT

    OK! SA has won the series now. What about next tour of India? Here is team purely based on specialiss. Pak needs to take 3 openers, 6-fast bowlers, 5 or 6 middle order batsmans, 2 spinners and 1 wicket keeper. Openers: I Nazir, S Butt, Y Hameed). Middle order batsman: Younis, Yousaf, Asim Kamal, Sohaib, Faisal or a new comer. 6-fast bowlers-at least 2 who can bowl in 90 mph range, like Sohaib & Sami, others are Asif, Gul & A Razzaq. Razzaq can bowl and bat with some reliability. There is a place for 1 more seamer, but am not convinced with A Anjum and S Tanveer. You need fast bowlers who can take wicket & these two can't. This rule of wicket taking is absolute & applicable to both test and one days. Captain should allow their fast bowlers to bowl as they want to bowl, while asks batsman to play with sensibility. Batting and bowling involve diffe approach. Wicket-keeper: Do not know. Spinners: Do not know as Kaneria takes almost 30 over to get 4/5 wickets-too much Good luck to Pak team.

  • POSTED BY tariqsaad on | October 30, 2007, 3:51 GMT

    how many chances we,ll give akmal,come on selectors open your eyes and please get a batting coach please

  • POSTED BY JavedMansoor on | October 30, 2007, 3:37 GMT

    This is a well deserved win for SA. Main reason is that SA remained committed to their basic format, i.e., play with 3/4 good seamers and did not dwell too much into the wicket's nature. Pak's strength was always with their fast bowling attack. With current captain, coach, and selection committee, this is strange to know that Pak playing with at least 3-spiners in each games. Some of these are considered alrounders, however, am afraid under pressure they can neither bat nor bowl. Situation will not change until Pak will start playing specialist at their respective position of bowling/batting/wicket keeping. Pak team should play with specialist openers, and quick fast bowlers, not the bowlers like Afridi, Afthar/Sohail Tanveer and co. For India tour, Pak should takes 3 specialist openers and six fast bowlers, and at least play 3 of these bowlers should play in every game. My choice will be Sohaib Akhtar, M. Sami/Asif/Gul and Abdul Razaq as an alrounder. What Spinner? Do not know.

  • POSTED BY Unnikuttan on | October 30, 2007, 3:22 GMT

    One man would have watched this match and wish he was there. If Inzy was there, it would have been a totally different story.

    It is not fair to tag Pakistan as chokers just because they lost to India (clearly a superior team in the finals). Today's match was pure recklessness - nothing else.

    Pakistan need to find a sound opening pair. Their bowling department is awesome. But unfortunately, their batsmen always let them down. What would have been their fate, if Mohammed Yousuf also had refused to come back? Pakistan would have been thrashed literally by SA.

    As for Afridi - as an Indian, i always hope to see him get out. He's a real moron this guy. who else will try to hit out? He always bats in one gear - 5th. If a guy batted like this in India and got out, they'd burn his house the next day.

    Bring back Inzy and Razzaq. Drop Akmal. Let him play more league matches. He now resembles Parthiv Patel - our ex goal keeper

  • POSTED BY masakhan on | October 30, 2007, 1:07 GMT

    Without Mohd Yousuf and Younis Khan, their batting is far below the international level. Afridi played an irresponsible shot just like the final of twenty20 world cup. They donot use brain,I am sure they are going to lose against India.

  • POSTED BY kaiser1 on | October 30, 2007, 0:28 GMT

    It was a rubbish and a crap performance. I hate my country team more than ever for frustrating millions of fans accross the world watching them lose like rats.

  • POSTED BY hotmale on | October 29, 2007, 22:45 GMT

    Now Kamran Akmal... I dont want to call him a wicket keeper any more... He is even worse than Ejaz Ahmed in wicket keeping and if we dont kick him out of our team he will continue dropping catches of world class players and we will kept losing games... Younis Khan is a better wicket keeper than Kamran Akmal... Kamran AKmal is finished as he has so many techinical problems which he can not overcome in next 2 years... Please kamran Akmal leave our team as this is the best service that you can give to our team and country.Thank you....

  • POSTED BY hotmale on | October 29, 2007, 22:39 GMT

    Mr. Misbah ul haq .... Sir due to your wonderful shot selection we have lost yet another final. Thank you... If we allow you to play for more matches i can bet that you will still play such foolish and irresponsible shots... You dont deserve any place in Pakistan Cricket Team as you can not score more than 300 runs in 25 games... I dont know what you was thinking when you played twenty twenty final shot and shot against S.A. in Final.. Please play like Muhammad Yousuf and dont play like Afridi and Imran nazir as every thing that glitters is not GOLD...

    Now Imran Nazir.... I think he want to play 20 different shots in 20 balls and If you give such chance to Shoaib Akhtar on that much regular basis I can bet that he can score more than Imran Nazir... He plays like muralitharan ... This kid dont have any plan to bat or stay at wicket... He dont even understand his team requirement and he just go and throw away his wicket all the times. Please kick him out of this team.Thanks

  • POSTED BY hotmale on | October 29, 2007, 22:29 GMT

    Now Shoaib Mallik.... This kid dont know ABCD of Cricket... We lost twenty twenty world cup final due to his foolish captaincy... Guess how many boundries Indian Cricket team hit in Final?? One dont have to hit boundries when almost all players are standing on boundries and single are easily available even in circle where fielders are standing at the edge of circles??? When new batsmen comes to crease he still keep the same field.. Gautam Gambhir was not in form in final yet he score over 70 runs in final and mostly easy available singles.. Same thing he did in Test Matches with singles available all over the ground and he continued his foolish concept even in one day series against S.A. I dont know what he thinks when he even allow new player to run 3 singles in one over in one day or test cricket??? Mr. Mallik if you want to win games you have to stop singles otherwise you will lose games in all formats. Thank you...

  • POSTED BY hotmale on | October 29, 2007, 22:19 GMT

    Now Mr. Shahid Khan Afridi.... He should be banned from cricket with immediate effect if you want to save Pakistan Cricket from complete disaster... How many games we won due to him??? 15 maximum... BUT WE HAVE LOST MORE THAN 75 GAMES DUE TO HIS FOOLISH SHOTS IN AIR WHICH NO PERSON ON EARTH CAN PLAY WITH AN ATOM WEIGHT BRAIN... We lost Twenty Twenty world cup due to his unexplainable shot in air and now in this last final against South Africa which i can not describe.. I mean how can be one sooooooo irresponsible and yet he is playing for Pakistan and we are still praising him... If you give 325 chances to Hassan Raza even he can win you 15-20 games or even Imran Khan at this age... We have to open our eyes and start punishing cricketers who dont play for Pakistan but for themselves.. We have to change otherwise we will be worst than West Indian cricket team. These players are hurting our nation and are responsible for some very serious criticism from people who know cricket.ufffff

  • POSTED BY hotmale on | October 29, 2007, 22:07 GMT

    Well I have many things to say about Pakistan Cricket Team. I will start with Younis Khan - He is a player who plays cricket just for enjoyment/fun & himself, he dont care about Pakistan & he always throw away his wicket at most crucial times.You just check his record and you will see that he is a person who plays only for himself and due to his irresponsible shots we are losing most important matches.Every time we are near to winning he starts playing shots in air???? WHYYYY.. Every time..... If we want to win crucial games we have to groom some other players who can finish the match & we should not depend on such irresponsible player.. He only plays for himself and its the right time to kick him out so that we can teach him some lesson... Mr. Younis Khan due to your stupid shots we have lost World cup, Twenty Twenty world cup and now test and one day series against South Africa.. so please leave our team and enjoy your cricket career in County circle in UK. THank you...

  • POSTED BY umairhuda on | October 29, 2007, 20:06 GMT

    Pakistan let their self down. One of the worst performance by Pakistani middle order I have ever seen. After Inzi and Razzaq, they don't have anybody who can stay on wicket and take Pakistan on victory stand. Mr. Naseem Ashraf is the responsible for this poor display, because of his ego he forced Inzi to retire from International cricket and because of him Razzaq is sitting out..

    Kamran Akmal is still playing after lots of poor display behind the wicket. Their planning with rotation of opening pair is not clear yet.. they have Yasir Hameed and they should give him good enough chance to perform. A very difficult tour is ahead and we don't know how our team is going to perform. We can just wish them all the best on Indian tour.

  • POSTED BY Na_beel on | October 29, 2007, 19:58 GMT

    Pakistan are really adopting a very bad habit to dissapoint their nation.People sitting in the stadium from morning to the end of the match surely would have been very very dissapointed,they had spent their whole day sitting under immense heat just for this ridiculous performance by their team.Misbah-ul-Haq and Shahid Afridi played very loose shots to get out.And hats off to the South African fielders,they were right on their toes throughout the whole innings and their hard work has really paid off.This is the second final in 3 months in which Pakistan has given the match away from thier hands.I dont really expect Pakistan to perform well against India.But still being a Pakistani I can hope that Pakistan will perform well against the arch rivals India.

  • POSTED BY chotadaku on | October 29, 2007, 19:36 GMT

    It is no suprise to me that pakistan lost this series. The score might read 3-2, but if you really watched the entire series it was more like a complete whitewash. Pakistan won two games because they have great talent, especially in the bowling department. The other reason they won two games is because of the pitches and south african batsmens inablity to play quality spin bowling.

    Pakistan in my mind have never begun "rebuilding" their cricket culture. They are just replacing old with new talent. Okay so you hired a new coach, big deal. Real improvement begins from the ground up. i.e preparing challenging pitches at all levels so that the players, especially, young players can ease through the transition from domestic to international cricket. Secondly pakistan has got to punish players for poor performances. i.e dropping them immediately and providing assistance to help them correct their mistakes.

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  • POSTED BY chotadaku on | October 29, 2007, 19:36 GMT

    It is no suprise to me that pakistan lost this series. The score might read 3-2, but if you really watched the entire series it was more like a complete whitewash. Pakistan won two games because they have great talent, especially in the bowling department. The other reason they won two games is because of the pitches and south african batsmens inablity to play quality spin bowling.

    Pakistan in my mind have never begun "rebuilding" their cricket culture. They are just replacing old with new talent. Okay so you hired a new coach, big deal. Real improvement begins from the ground up. i.e preparing challenging pitches at all levels so that the players, especially, young players can ease through the transition from domestic to international cricket. Secondly pakistan has got to punish players for poor performances. i.e dropping them immediately and providing assistance to help them correct their mistakes.

  • POSTED BY Na_beel on | October 29, 2007, 19:58 GMT

    Pakistan are really adopting a very bad habit to dissapoint their nation.People sitting in the stadium from morning to the end of the match surely would have been very very dissapointed,they had spent their whole day sitting under immense heat just for this ridiculous performance by their team.Misbah-ul-Haq and Shahid Afridi played very loose shots to get out.And hats off to the South African fielders,they were right on their toes throughout the whole innings and their hard work has really paid off.This is the second final in 3 months in which Pakistan has given the match away from thier hands.I dont really expect Pakistan to perform well against India.But still being a Pakistani I can hope that Pakistan will perform well against the arch rivals India.

  • POSTED BY umairhuda on | October 29, 2007, 20:06 GMT

    Pakistan let their self down. One of the worst performance by Pakistani middle order I have ever seen. After Inzi and Razzaq, they don't have anybody who can stay on wicket and take Pakistan on victory stand. Mr. Naseem Ashraf is the responsible for this poor display, because of his ego he forced Inzi to retire from International cricket and because of him Razzaq is sitting out..

    Kamran Akmal is still playing after lots of poor display behind the wicket. Their planning with rotation of opening pair is not clear yet.. they have Yasir Hameed and they should give him good enough chance to perform. A very difficult tour is ahead and we don't know how our team is going to perform. We can just wish them all the best on Indian tour.

  • POSTED BY hotmale on | October 29, 2007, 22:07 GMT

    Well I have many things to say about Pakistan Cricket Team. I will start with Younis Khan - He is a player who plays cricket just for enjoyment/fun & himself, he dont care about Pakistan & he always throw away his wicket at most crucial times.You just check his record and you will see that he is a person who plays only for himself and due to his irresponsible shots we are losing most important matches.Every time we are near to winning he starts playing shots in air???? WHYYYY.. Every time..... If we want to win crucial games we have to groom some other players who can finish the match & we should not depend on such irresponsible player.. He only plays for himself and its the right time to kick him out so that we can teach him some lesson... Mr. Younis Khan due to your stupid shots we have lost World cup, Twenty Twenty world cup and now test and one day series against South Africa.. so please leave our team and enjoy your cricket career in County circle in UK. THank you...

  • POSTED BY hotmale on | October 29, 2007, 22:19 GMT

    Now Mr. Shahid Khan Afridi.... He should be banned from cricket with immediate effect if you want to save Pakistan Cricket from complete disaster... How many games we won due to him??? 15 maximum... BUT WE HAVE LOST MORE THAN 75 GAMES DUE TO HIS FOOLISH SHOTS IN AIR WHICH NO PERSON ON EARTH CAN PLAY WITH AN ATOM WEIGHT BRAIN... We lost Twenty Twenty world cup due to his unexplainable shot in air and now in this last final against South Africa which i can not describe.. I mean how can be one sooooooo irresponsible and yet he is playing for Pakistan and we are still praising him... If you give 325 chances to Hassan Raza even he can win you 15-20 games or even Imran Khan at this age... We have to open our eyes and start punishing cricketers who dont play for Pakistan but for themselves.. We have to change otherwise we will be worst than West Indian cricket team. These players are hurting our nation and are responsible for some very serious criticism from people who know cricket.ufffff

  • POSTED BY hotmale on | October 29, 2007, 22:29 GMT

    Now Shoaib Mallik.... This kid dont know ABCD of Cricket... We lost twenty twenty world cup final due to his foolish captaincy... Guess how many boundries Indian Cricket team hit in Final?? One dont have to hit boundries when almost all players are standing on boundries and single are easily available even in circle where fielders are standing at the edge of circles??? When new batsmen comes to crease he still keep the same field.. Gautam Gambhir was not in form in final yet he score over 70 runs in final and mostly easy available singles.. Same thing he did in Test Matches with singles available all over the ground and he continued his foolish concept even in one day series against S.A. I dont know what he thinks when he even allow new player to run 3 singles in one over in one day or test cricket??? Mr. Mallik if you want to win games you have to stop singles otherwise you will lose games in all formats. Thank you...

  • POSTED BY hotmale on | October 29, 2007, 22:39 GMT

    Mr. Misbah ul haq .... Sir due to your wonderful shot selection we have lost yet another final. Thank you... If we allow you to play for more matches i can bet that you will still play such foolish and irresponsible shots... You dont deserve any place in Pakistan Cricket Team as you can not score more than 300 runs in 25 games... I dont know what you was thinking when you played twenty twenty final shot and shot against S.A. in Final.. Please play like Muhammad Yousuf and dont play like Afridi and Imran nazir as every thing that glitters is not GOLD...

    Now Imran Nazir.... I think he want to play 20 different shots in 20 balls and If you give such chance to Shoaib Akhtar on that much regular basis I can bet that he can score more than Imran Nazir... He plays like muralitharan ... This kid dont have any plan to bat or stay at wicket... He dont even understand his team requirement and he just go and throw away his wicket all the times. Please kick him out of this team.Thanks

  • POSTED BY hotmale on | October 29, 2007, 22:45 GMT

    Now Kamran Akmal... I dont want to call him a wicket keeper any more... He is even worse than Ejaz Ahmed in wicket keeping and if we dont kick him out of our team he will continue dropping catches of world class players and we will kept losing games... Younis Khan is a better wicket keeper than Kamran Akmal... Kamran AKmal is finished as he has so many techinical problems which he can not overcome in next 2 years... Please kamran Akmal leave our team as this is the best service that you can give to our team and country.Thank you....

  • POSTED BY kaiser1 on | October 30, 2007, 0:28 GMT

    It was a rubbish and a crap performance. I hate my country team more than ever for frustrating millions of fans accross the world watching them lose like rats.

  • POSTED BY masakhan on | October 30, 2007, 1:07 GMT

    Without Mohd Yousuf and Younis Khan, their batting is far below the international level. Afridi played an irresponsible shot just like the final of twenty20 world cup. They donot use brain,I am sure they are going to lose against India.