Openers June 14, 2010

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One of the most feared opening combinations and three other aggressive opening batsmen make up this enviable list
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In the early days of West Indies cricket, good opening batsmen were few and far between. In fact, as it was in the middle order, in those days there was one and only one man.

His name was Clifford Roach, he was a Trinidadian, he was a right-hander, and apart from scoring West Indies' first half-century, in their second Test - 50 at Old Trafford in 1928 - he ended up scoring six half-centuries in 16 Test matches, including the first century and the first double-century by a West Indian.

However, after the watershed series of 1950, when the West Indies won away from home for the first time with a 3-1 victory over England, things changed immensely, to the point where the pioneer is not numbered among the top West Indies openers off all time.

In that memorable series of 1950, West Indies produced a pair of openers: the stylish and attractive Jeffrey Stollmeyer and the solid, defensive left-hander Allan Rae. Unfortunately, however, like Roach neither one was considered good enough to make it to this list.

And although it is not as rich as those who batted in the middle order, what a list it is.

Starting with Conrad Hunte, the line-up from which the greatest pair of West Indies openers of all time will be selected includes undoubtedly the best opening partnership in the history of West Indies cricket, and also undoubtedly one of the best in the history of Test cricket: "Greenidge and Haynes" is almost synonymous with facing the new ball.

Individually all five contenders were master batsmen; four of them leading the way: one in the late 1960s, when West Indies were arguably the best in the world, and three others between 1976 and 1995, when the team were champions of the world.

The contenders

Conrad Hunte
Following on the heels of Stollmeyer and Rae in the 1950s, Hunte was an attractive and aggressive strokeplayer in the beginning, and addressed the world with a lovely innings of 142 against Pakistan in 1958 in his first Test. Scoring 260 in the third Test and sharing a partnership of 446 with Garry Sobers for the second wicket and 114 in the fourth Test, Hunte rattled up 622 runs in the series at an average of 77.75. With no one to stay with him long enough to get the shine off the ball, however, he changed his style. Instead of being a free-flowing batsman, he became solid and dependable - an opener who could be relied upon to set the stage for the likes of Sobers and Rohan Kanhai. A good hooker, but more so a wonderful player off his legs, Hunte scored 3245 runs in 44 Tests with eight centuries at an average of 45.06.

Roy Fredericks
A small, dashing left-hander, Fredericks feared no bowler. "Freddo", as he was popularly known, hit the ball hard and often. Although he played almost all the shots, he loved to cut and to hook, and those who saw him in action in Perth in 1975-76 will never forget his treatment of Australia's Dennis Lillee and Jeff Thomson. On the fastest pitch in the world, certainly in those days, Fredericks confronted the fastest and most feared bowlers in the world with shots that echoed around the ground like gunfire. In scoring 169 out of the 258 made while he was at the crease, he reached his century in 116 minutes (off 71 deliveries) with one six and 18 fours. "It was them or me," Fredericks said minutes after the onslaught. In 59 Test matches, he scored 4334 runs, with eight centuries, at an average of 42.49.

Gordon Greenidge
A West Indian who learnt his trade in England and then represented the Caribbean, Greenidge is statistically the finest opening batsman ever produced in the region. On debut in 1974, he made 93 and 107. Greenidge hooked at the drop of a hat, drove the ball sweetly between cover and midwicket, and favoured the square cut. He played some memorable and valuable innings through a career that lasted 108 Test matches, during which he scored 7558 runs at an average of 44.72. His record also shows 19 centuries, the best of them probably being match-winning scores of 134 (after the team collapsed to 26 for 4) and 101 in 1976 at Old Trafford. He also made an unbeaten 214 off 242 balls at Lord's in 1984, when West Indies beat the clock to win by nine wickets.

Desmond Haynes
A perfect foil to the aggressive Greenidge, Haynes, a powerfully built batsman, was solid and watchful, and content, apparently, to be No. 2 to the man at the other end. Like most West Indians, Haynes was good all round the wicket. His back-foot strokes - the cut and the hook - were solid, but his driving, especially on the off side, was something to see. In 116 Test matches, Haynes scored 7487 runs with 18 centuries, five each against England and Australia, at an average of 42.29. On three occasions he carried the bat and on another, in 1980, when West Indies lost to New Zealand by one wicket in Dunedin, he was the last man out in both innings.

Chris Gayle
Gayle is undoubtedly the biggest hitter of all opening batsmen in the history of West Indies cricket. A left-hander with limited footwork, he uses his bat like a hammer. In 2004 he brought up a century off 79 balls in Cape Town and blasted 105 off 87 with 18 fours, including six in one over from Matthew Hoggard at The Oval. There have been other days, however, like in Napier in 2008, when he controlled himself and batted to the end of the innings for 197 off 396 deliveries, and in Adelaide in 2009, when he batted undefeated for 165 in a desperate attempt to save a Test match; but in the following Test he was back to his usual self, smashing 102 off 72 deliveries with nine fours and six sixes

We'll be publishing an all-time West Indies XI based on readers' votes to go with our jury's XI. To pick your openers click here

Former sports editor of the Jamaica Gleaner and the Daily News, Tony Becca has covered West Indies cricket for 30 years

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  • POSTED BY Metman on | June 17, 2010, 22:16 GMT

    @bigwindy!Bigman,Sri Lanka only started playing test cricket in 1981/82,so it is the younger generation who had a weak Sri Lankan team to deal with.Furthermore,past Indian spinners like Prassana,Bedi,Venkat,Chadresekar,Borde,Nadkarni and others,were far more effective than the lot that the younger generation had to face.Also,I understand that some wickets were not covered,making it difficult for batsmen to score runs.

  • POSTED BY Rake1 on | June 17, 2010, 14:53 GMT

    Talk of WI team without Viv Richards is absurd! Viv is King.

  • POSTED BY lsd123 on | June 17, 2010, 8:21 GMT

    My best XI- Greenidge, Haynes, Lara, Headley, Richards, Sobers,Dujon,Marshall,Holding,Ambrose,Roberts (or Gibbs)

  • POSTED BY Auro_007 on | June 17, 2010, 8:20 GMT

    I cannot believe the committee hasnt included George Headley in this list. Yes he will be seen in the nominations for the middle order but he with the names already there such as Lara Richards Kanhai Lloyd he may not even get a lookin. Surely a player of his caliber who scored 70 pc of the runs for WI and was called the Black Bradman needs to be in the ALl Time Windies XI.

  • POSTED BY unchained on | June 17, 2010, 5:48 GMT

    gordon greenidge and conrad hunt as openers george headley viv richards frank worrel gary sobers walcott (wk) malcolm marshal curtley ambrose michael holding lance gibbs

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 16:38 GMT

    Gayle is a joke; a glorified swiper who benefits from much trashy bowling served up in the diluted game nowadays. He couldn't last 10 minutes at the crease against the greats of yesteryear!See how he attempted to hide from Vaas a few seasons back against the Lankans by dropping himself down the order? Trueman, Lindwall, Miller, Imran Khan,Lillee,Hadlee,& Donald to name a few would've been knocking him over with great regularity.If you have common sense and know where to put the ball sothat the big man can't free his arms,Gayle will become frustrated and swipe. Easy out. End of discussion, in this writer's view.

    It's extremely difficult to select an all-time WI XI as any fan would know. But I've given it my best shot having seen all the WI teams since '62. Here goes: HUNTE, GREENIDGE,RICHARDS,SOBERS,LARA,WEEKES,WORRELL(CAPT.),DUJON,MARSHALL,AMBROSE & GIBBS.

    It's generally acknowledged that Sir Frank was our best captain ever, followed by Lloyd.

  • POSTED BY Metman on | June 16, 2010, 16:07 GMT

    With so many great WI. players to choose from,I have already chosen the best before !980 and after 1980,and as such to chose an all time greatest W.I. eleven,we would have to rely solely on averages,therefore my eleven will be-C.Hunte,G.Greenidge,E.Weekes,B.Lara.G.Headley,G.Sobers,C.Walcott,M.Marshall,J.Garner C.Ambrose and C .Walsh.Note,Viv.Richards had an av.of 50.23, Lara 52.83 ,Walcott 56.68,Sobers 57.78,Weekes 58.61 and Headley 60.83--In the bowling department,Marshall 20.94 runs per wicket,Garner 20.97 and Ambrose 20.99 were way ahead of the others.Although Croft 23.30,Holding 23.68 and Walsh 24.44 were close together,I gave my edge to Walsh,because he took twice as much wickets as Holding and over 3 and a half that of Croft.

  • POSTED BY graenew on | June 16, 2010, 7:45 GMT

    1.greenidge, 2.headley, 3.richards (c), 4. lara, 5. weekes, 6.sobers, 7.walcott, 8. roberts, 9. ambrose, 10. marshall, 11.holding.

    yes the west indies final 11 is tough!, but i had to find a place for headly as he has the best stats, as weekes avg is incredible too....had to omit garner for holding as garner/ambrose are like for like in terms of height etc...i went for holding as he offers express pace, i didnt go for gibbs as the fast bowlers on option are too good to ommit, walcott for keeper as again his batting avg is very good, better than dujon, i went for roberts too as he started the fast bowling era for the west indies, he was a very clever thinker.

  • POSTED BY wanderer1957 on | June 16, 2010, 2:43 GMT

    My all time West indies eleven is ,Greenidge,Headly,Richards.Lara,Weeks,Sobers Walcott(keeper)Marshall,Garner,Holden,Ambrose.I think Roberts deserved selection maybe for Garner,These Players has the best numbers and that should count for something.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 0:52 GMT

    WI team of late 70s/early 80s can beat most teams and I would pick 8 from it and include Sobers, Ambrose and Lara in the final XI - Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Lara, Sobers, Lloyd(c), Dujon, Marshall, Holding, Garner & Ambrose. Croft, Roberts, Kallicharan and Walsh will be a part of my 15 member team.

  • POSTED BY Metman on | June 17, 2010, 22:16 GMT

    @bigwindy!Bigman,Sri Lanka only started playing test cricket in 1981/82,so it is the younger generation who had a weak Sri Lankan team to deal with.Furthermore,past Indian spinners like Prassana,Bedi,Venkat,Chadresekar,Borde,Nadkarni and others,were far more effective than the lot that the younger generation had to face.Also,I understand that some wickets were not covered,making it difficult for batsmen to score runs.

  • POSTED BY Rake1 on | June 17, 2010, 14:53 GMT

    Talk of WI team without Viv Richards is absurd! Viv is King.

  • POSTED BY lsd123 on | June 17, 2010, 8:21 GMT

    My best XI- Greenidge, Haynes, Lara, Headley, Richards, Sobers,Dujon,Marshall,Holding,Ambrose,Roberts (or Gibbs)

  • POSTED BY Auro_007 on | June 17, 2010, 8:20 GMT

    I cannot believe the committee hasnt included George Headley in this list. Yes he will be seen in the nominations for the middle order but he with the names already there such as Lara Richards Kanhai Lloyd he may not even get a lookin. Surely a player of his caliber who scored 70 pc of the runs for WI and was called the Black Bradman needs to be in the ALl Time Windies XI.

  • POSTED BY unchained on | June 17, 2010, 5:48 GMT

    gordon greenidge and conrad hunt as openers george headley viv richards frank worrel gary sobers walcott (wk) malcolm marshal curtley ambrose michael holding lance gibbs

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 16:38 GMT

    Gayle is a joke; a glorified swiper who benefits from much trashy bowling served up in the diluted game nowadays. He couldn't last 10 minutes at the crease against the greats of yesteryear!See how he attempted to hide from Vaas a few seasons back against the Lankans by dropping himself down the order? Trueman, Lindwall, Miller, Imran Khan,Lillee,Hadlee,& Donald to name a few would've been knocking him over with great regularity.If you have common sense and know where to put the ball sothat the big man can't free his arms,Gayle will become frustrated and swipe. Easy out. End of discussion, in this writer's view.

    It's extremely difficult to select an all-time WI XI as any fan would know. But I've given it my best shot having seen all the WI teams since '62. Here goes: HUNTE, GREENIDGE,RICHARDS,SOBERS,LARA,WEEKES,WORRELL(CAPT.),DUJON,MARSHALL,AMBROSE & GIBBS.

    It's generally acknowledged that Sir Frank was our best captain ever, followed by Lloyd.

  • POSTED BY Metman on | June 16, 2010, 16:07 GMT

    With so many great WI. players to choose from,I have already chosen the best before !980 and after 1980,and as such to chose an all time greatest W.I. eleven,we would have to rely solely on averages,therefore my eleven will be-C.Hunte,G.Greenidge,E.Weekes,B.Lara.G.Headley,G.Sobers,C.Walcott,M.Marshall,J.Garner C.Ambrose and C .Walsh.Note,Viv.Richards had an av.of 50.23, Lara 52.83 ,Walcott 56.68,Sobers 57.78,Weekes 58.61 and Headley 60.83--In the bowling department,Marshall 20.94 runs per wicket,Garner 20.97 and Ambrose 20.99 were way ahead of the others.Although Croft 23.30,Holding 23.68 and Walsh 24.44 were close together,I gave my edge to Walsh,because he took twice as much wickets as Holding and over 3 and a half that of Croft.

  • POSTED BY graenew on | June 16, 2010, 7:45 GMT

    1.greenidge, 2.headley, 3.richards (c), 4. lara, 5. weekes, 6.sobers, 7.walcott, 8. roberts, 9. ambrose, 10. marshall, 11.holding.

    yes the west indies final 11 is tough!, but i had to find a place for headly as he has the best stats, as weekes avg is incredible too....had to omit garner for holding as garner/ambrose are like for like in terms of height etc...i went for holding as he offers express pace, i didnt go for gibbs as the fast bowlers on option are too good to ommit, walcott for keeper as again his batting avg is very good, better than dujon, i went for roberts too as he started the fast bowling era for the west indies, he was a very clever thinker.

  • POSTED BY wanderer1957 on | June 16, 2010, 2:43 GMT

    My all time West indies eleven is ,Greenidge,Headly,Richards.Lara,Weeks,Sobers Walcott(keeper)Marshall,Garner,Holden,Ambrose.I think Roberts deserved selection maybe for Garner,These Players has the best numbers and that should count for something.

  • POSTED BY on | June 16, 2010, 0:52 GMT

    WI team of late 70s/early 80s can beat most teams and I would pick 8 from it and include Sobers, Ambrose and Lara in the final XI - Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Lara, Sobers, Lloyd(c), Dujon, Marshall, Holding, Garner & Ambrose. Croft, Roberts, Kallicharan and Walsh will be a part of my 15 member team.

  • POSTED BY Metman on | June 15, 2010, 23:22 GMT

    Too many great WI. players to put in one eleven.Would prefer an all time great WI team before say 1980 and another one after 1980.Before 1980 Hunte,Fredericks,Headley,Weeks , Sobers,(capt),Walcott,Hall,Griffith,Ramadhin,Valentine,Gibbs.After 1980,Greenidge,Haynes,Lara,Richards,Chanderpaul,Lloyd(capt) ,Dujon,Marshall,Garner,Ambrose,Roberts

  • POSTED BY RKSawh on | June 15, 2010, 23:04 GMT

    With due respect to fans of all other cricket playing nations, this final XI will be far and away the hardest to choose. Here's mine, chosen with huge difficulty:

    Greenidge, Haynes, Lara, Headley, Richards, Sobers, Kanhai(wk), Gibbs, Marshall, Holding, Ambrose

    No disrespect to the many many greats that i've had to leave out...it's almost cruel to omit some of these legends

  • POSTED BY amanarora on | June 15, 2010, 23:02 GMT

    Greenidge & Haynes is a deadly pair together. Why to disturb it. Meanwhile, I wonder if any player from the current team or any one from past decade [except Lara of course] will qualify. I am eagerly waiting for next few combination.

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2010, 22:29 GMT

    WI's all-time best XI vs that of Australia's, who do you think will win?

  • POSTED BY eddy501 on | June 15, 2010, 21:35 GMT

    @ RealWI.........i'm neither too young or unknowledgeable enough to realise that Weeks and Walcott both faced the two greatest spinners ever (Murli and Warne) and mastered them..........oh hang on that was Lara. Ive seen most of the WI batsman of the past 40 years and i dont believe ive seen a more skillfull player of spin than BCL, on that alone he will make any team. Wes Hall better than Ambrose? I'm going to retire to Bedlam!

  • POSTED BY bigwindy on | June 15, 2010, 21:25 GMT

    Why do so many people bash Gayle?he has a highest test score of 317 (vs RSA) and a highest ODI score of 153, he is still 30 with the best years a ahead of him. It is unfair to compare him to the windies players from the previous teams team, the older generation also played against weak Indian and Sri Lankan teams with no South Africans to be really tested. How good would Gayle be if he played for a winning team?.... all those who ridicule him never really played much cricket!

  • POSTED BY elsmallo on | June 15, 2010, 21:06 GMT

    I don't think Gayle is undeserving of his place here. All the other batsmen had opening partners of quality, and could usually rely upon middle-order runs. Has Gayle had the same luxuries? Hardly. Every time he walks out to bat, he's not just opening the innings, he *is* the innings, and he and the opposition knows it. Few international sides in recent years have relied so thoroughly on one player for runs and leadership with the bat.

  • POSTED BY Murtaza. on | June 15, 2010, 17:42 GMT

    People are thinking to make all time WI XI without players like Viv Richards and Brian Lara has no sence of cricket, both can make place in all time world XI. My team would be #1 Gordon Greenidge #2 Haynes #3 Headley #4 Viv Richards (capt) #5 BC Lara #6 Gary Sobers (all rounder) #7 Walcott (W.k) #8 Malcolm Marshall #9 M.Holding #10 Ambrose #11 L.Gibbs . I know i have missed many greats in this eleven like Lloyd, Garner, Croft, Roberts, Bishop, Dujon, C.Hunte, Fredericks, Wes Hall, Weekes , Worrell, Ramadhin, Valetine. Also i think captain must be Richards because of his record and the fear he generated. I think this will be the team to beat.

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | June 15, 2010, 15:51 GMT

    pick any 11 & we could still beat any team lol

    Patterson Walsh, Holding, Gilchrist, Croft, Roberts, Ambrose, Hall, Griffiths, Marshall, Garner, Bishop, Edwards

    Valentine, Ramadhin, Gibbs Ramnarine

    Dujon, Jacobs Alexander

    Walcott Weekes Worrel Headley Richards Lloyd Sobers Lara Greenidge Haynes Richardson Chanderpaul Nurse Kanhai, Kallicharan Hunte Rowe Fredericks

  • POSTED BY Proteas_Supporter on | June 15, 2010, 14:15 GMT

    folks can we have 3 WI all time eleven. its really tough in selecting one team. my 33 would be haynes, greenidge, hunte, fredricks, rowe, kaalicharan, richards, headley, lloyd, kanhai, lara, r.richardson, worell, weekes, walcott, dujon, murray, hendricks, sobers, gibbs, hall, griffith, holding, roberts, marshall, garner, croft, ambrose, walsh, ramadhin, butcher, gomes, nurse..... can anyone pick an eleven from the above 33 and still i have missed many players as well.........

  • POSTED BY waspsting on | June 15, 2010, 13:46 GMT

    still, good debate begining up here - and one above many I've seen in these articles where (as you say), young fans just plump for their favorites to the exclusion of past greats. I'd have lara ahead of Weekes too, though that too is so close that i wouldn't trouble to argue with anyone who felt differently. Weekes didn't fair badly in England and Australia - but his stupendous overall figures are heavied up by very strong performances on flat wickets (in caribbean) or/and against weak bowling (india/new zealand) - while Lara has played so long and in so many different conditions that his record is more balanced, IMO. (as with Weekes, so with Walcott - Worrell - who's overall stats are a long way below them always outperformed them in England and Australia). (Note - I'm not say "Weekes/Walcott were rubbish" - they were fine players - just making subtle distinctions to differentiate the best of the best). would love to hear your thoughts - clearly your an old, experienced hand!

  • POSTED BY waspsting on | June 15, 2010, 13:41 GMT

    given strenght of middle order - i think Lawrence Rowe, Worrell and Kanhai should be up for a spot as an opener. @RealWI - your choices are interesting, but i have to disagree with a couple of them. Fredricks played a fabulous innings - but does one innings justify his place? he was a quality player outside that one innings of course, but IMO, Greenidge at least had the overall better performances. Won't go into Hunte - that's just a difference of opinion - no right or wrong there, too close to call. Walcott as keeper-batsmen I wouldn't have because he wasn't a top quality keeper. I like to have the best batsman among TOP QUALITY KEEPERS - if Walcott were that, he wouldn't have been relieved of glovework duties (Kanhai is another such player). For all the accolades bestowed on him, Roberts has the highest average and strike rate among the pacers of the team. The underrated Garner has a better Ave. and S.R than holding or roberts - even though he didn't take the new ball as often.(more

  • POSTED BY gudolerhum on | June 15, 2010, 12:26 GMT

    If you are considering great WI opening batsmen then Chris Gayle has no place among these names. He is not a batsman by any stretch of one's imagination. For T20, maybe he can make the list but nothing else, please. This is a discredit to the others on your list.

  • POSTED BY RealWI on | June 15, 2010, 11:54 GMT

    After reading many of the comments, it's clear that many of you are either too young or have little or no knowledge of West Indian cricket. Conrod Hunte is the best opener from the region. Roy Frederick look death in the eye and made 169. Sorry but Brian Lara and Ambrose wouldn't make our team either, we are just too strong. Therefore, the team is Hunte, Frederick, Richards, Weeks, Headley, Walcott (the best keeper batsman ever, look up his Average), Sobers, Roberts (Rock of the pace quartet and one of smartest cricket that ever played the game, ask Ian Chappell ), Holding, Marshall, Hall, 12th man Gibbs. The second team is Greenidge, Haynes, Lara, Worrell, Lloyd, Kanhai, Hendricks, Amborse, Garner, Griffith, Walsh,12th man Valentine. Our second team is strong than most first team, oh! how time have change.

  • POSTED BY danaan on | June 15, 2010, 11:44 GMT

    On overall form and technique the opening partners would have to be Greenidge and Hunt, but just for thier ability to bat as partners you would have to say Greenidge and Haynes are a shoe in. I'll be interested to see the nominations for middle order batsmen and see how follow cricketing watchers rate Shiv Chanderpaul. Of course he can't make the final all time side, but over the last decade and a half he as been far and away West Indies best batsman (just look at his averages), and apart from his batting stance he is a much more complete batsman than Chris Gayle, who has serious footwork problems and is consitently prone to lbw decisions.

  • POSTED BY asefali on | June 15, 2010, 9:45 GMT

    I think this would be the easiest choice for picking WI XI. Greenidge & Haynes will qualify here. But I am worried about middle order, whom to keep and whom to leave. Picking fast bowler would be impossible job. really cannot think how you can leave 2 from these greats: Marshall, Holding, Garner, Walsh & Ambrose

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2010, 8:37 GMT

    Why Gayle is there? He is no way near to other Greats!

  • POSTED BY BellCurve on | June 15, 2010, 8:25 GMT

    I suspect Greenidge and Haynes will be picked. This would be a mistake. They never had to play against the only decent bowling attack of the era - i.e. the West Indies. And despite this they ended their careers with middle-of-the-pack Test averages 44.72 and 42.29 respectively. Also, Greenidge and Barry Richards opened the batting together for Hampshire. At Hampshire, Greenidge played 275 matches and averaged 45.40; Richards played 204 matches and averaged 50.50. Therefore, Greenidge, who was widely regarded as better than Haynes, was in turn about 10% below Barry Richards. This of course doesn't prove anything. But it helps to explain my belief that the only reason why Greenidge and Haynes are held in such high esteem is because they were part of the best team in the world for more than a decade.

  • POSTED BY bobbyamit16 on | June 15, 2010, 8:05 GMT

    the all time west indies should be 1.GREENIDGE 2.HAYNES 3.WEEKS 4.LARA 5.RICHARDS 6.SOBERS 7.DUJON 8.MARSHALL L 9.HOLDING 10.AMBROSE 11..GARNER 1.

  • POSTED BY lucyferr on | June 15, 2010, 6:13 GMT

    Might I second Mr Henshaw's idea of a Rest of the World XI? (And add Paul Strang to that list he suggests) And a few other XIs - a Dual Sport XI for example - is it possible to make an XI out of cricketers who represented their country at cricket and at least one other sport? PS: Diff qn, why is it that the blurbs for players so rarely state how good a fielder they were?

  • POSTED BY andrew.henshaw on | June 15, 2010, 4:37 GMT

    I hope Cricinfo does a rest of the world XI once finished with the windies and india. Contenders of the World XI would include: Bart King, Ryan Ten Doeschate, Andrew Flower, Heath Streak, Steve Tikolo, Thomas Odoyo, Shakib Al Hasan and so forth...

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2010, 3:48 GMT

    Opening I feel hasn't been WI's strongest suite. I would rather push one of the middle order batsman up to open because there are too many top quality middler order bats. I will count at least 5 of them - Viv Richards, George Headley, Everton Weekes, Brian Lara and Garry Sobers (Still leaving out Clyde Walcott and Frank Worrell). We'd be forced leave out at least one of them unless we move one up to the opening spot along with Gordon Greenidge.

  • POSTED BY on | June 15, 2010, 0:52 GMT

    Reading these posts and nobody mentions the name of one Couthney Andew Walsh in an all time W I team. How can this be?The leading wicket taker for the W I. How can one justify picking Holding Garner or Roberts before Walsh and Ambrose? These are W I most destructive pace duo. Greenidge and Haynes must be the openers, My all time team-- Greenidge, Haynes, Headley, Lara, Richards, Weekes Sobers (capt, and 4th Fast Bowler),Dujon (wktkp) Marshall, Walsh and Ambrose. Sorry no Walcott Worrel Kanhai Lloyd, Nurse Hunt Rowe Fredericks Butcher Murray Hendricks Gibbs Holding Roberts Garner Croft.. As you see we could easily pick a team almost as strong as the first. We could also pick a third, should we? I just goes to show how strong W I have been over the decades between 1950 and 1995. Such a richness of players. Contrast rhat to the team now and we see that SOMETHING is very wrong with Cricket in the Caribbean.

  • POSTED BY shanghaibatsman on | June 15, 2010, 0:22 GMT

    I'll pick Haynes for one, he can play spin. Greenidge over Gayle.Gayle has to do what Greenidge has done for a longer period to be considered.Have to say like Lara , Gayle never had the luxury of great batsmen around him.Gayle like Lara bats with a "target" on his back. So thats it Greenidge/Haynes a proven winning combo.

  • POSTED BY reggieking on | June 14, 2010, 23:58 GMT

    Question about the jury... Where is Tony Cozier?

    The openers pick themselves Greenidge and Haynes (Where is the great George Challenor in the discussion- he is probably responsible for the entry of the West Indies to test cricket).

    The middle order- these batsmen were the greatest players in the world of their eras Headley (except for Bradman), Weekes, Richards, Lara

    All- rounder- Sobers (honourable mention to Constantine)

    Wicketkeeper- Walcott (sorry Dujon)

    Fast bowlers- Martindale, Marshall, Garner (I could have picked any of a dozen)

    Spinner (and 12th Man) Gibbs or Valentine

  • POSTED BY Robster1 on | June 14, 2010, 23:47 GMT

    For the quicks, the choice must include Marshall and widely feared + respected Sylvester Clarke

  • POSTED BY S.N.Singh on | June 14, 2010, 23:25 GMT

    FOR AN ALL TIME WEST INDIES SIDE SHOULD BE : CONRAD HUNTE, ROY FREDERICHS, ROHAN KANHAI, RICHARDS, SOBERS,EVERTON WEEKS, GERRY ALEXANDER, WES HALL, GRIFFITH. RAMADHIN, LANCE GIBBS. THESE WERE THE BACK BONE OF W.I. CRICKET. YOU HAVE ALSO WALCOT, WORREL, GANTUME, GODDARD WERE THERE ALL THE TIME. BUT THAT TEAM SHOUL BE IT.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 23:10 GMT

    my all tme west indies XI.... GREENIDGE,HAYNES,RICHARDS,CLIVE LLOYD,SHIVNARINE CHANDERPAUL,SOBERS,GIBBS,BISHOP,MARSHALL,GARNER,CROFT ...........SPEACIAL MENTIONS TO ROHAN KANHI LARA ALVIN KALLICHARAN THE 3 W'S AND HOLDER

  • POSTED BY realredbaron on | June 14, 2010, 22:47 GMT

    My choice is Greenidge and Haynes.

  • POSTED BY Rajesh. on | June 14, 2010, 22:25 GMT

    Got to be Gordon Greenidge & Desmond Haynes............

  • POSTED BY nafzak on | June 14, 2010, 21:49 GMT

    WI middle order will not include Charlie Davis of T&T because he only played in 15 test matches. His average is well over 50 per, and only the selectors of that time could explain why he was ever dropped from the team. He was among the best players of spins.. ask India.

  • POSTED BY asaduzzaman-khan on | June 14, 2010, 21:46 GMT

    Greenidge and Haynes: not only for WI, one of the best opening partnership of cricket history.

  • POSTED BY nafzak on | June 14, 2010, 21:34 GMT

    Sorry fellas, Gayle should not be on this short list. Perhaps in a 3rd or 4th WI 11, but not here. Players today just can't compare. Teh story goes that a commentator asked Sobers how well he think he fare today against the Aussies or any top team today. Sobery replied that he could easily average 40 per innings. The reported pointed out that many including Sachin, Pointing, Shewag and several others averages above 50. Then Sobers pointed out that those current players are all 30 or more years his junior and if he (Sobers) was 30 years old and batting with elbow pads, better pitches, easier travel, helmets, etc., he would easily double his average.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 21:31 GMT

    this might be the toughest eleven to pick.....

  • POSTED BY lodger67 on | June 14, 2010, 21:13 GMT

    At m-urtaza, please read other posts. A couple of us have pointed out why Kanhai is not shortlisted as an opener (290 runs at 24.16). At Parvez P Masud, Worrell opened in only 4 tests. He averaged 49.40 in those 4 matches, but by far and away the bulk of his career was played in positions 3 to 5, where he averaged 60.16. It's called statsguru, folks, and it is not hard to check before making wild guesses based on a perceived imbalance in the shortlisting process.

  • POSTED BY Testcricfan on | June 14, 2010, 20:55 GMT

    Probable WI Batting Order - Greenidge, Haynes, Headley, Lara, Richards, Sobers, Dujon. As good as the 3 W's were, as also others like Kanhai, Kallicharan, Chanders and Richardson, we cannot have them all in a X1. The Fast bowlers - 3 of them only for the sake of balance - should be the most difficult to select. My picks would be Holding, Marshall and Ambrose. Spinner should be Gibbs/Ramadhin.

  • POSTED BY raskalamindit on | June 14, 2010, 20:53 GMT

    YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME!!! It's Hunte and Greenidge for sure, and for the rest of the team:__________________________________________________________ 1. Conrad Hunte, 2. CG Greenidge, 3. G Headley, 4. ED Weekes, 5. CL Walcott, 6. G Sobers, 7. PJL Dujon (WK), 8. M Marshall, 9. J Garner, 10. C Ambrose, 11. A Roberts, 12th man: (spinner) AL Valentine GUYS PLZZZZZZZZZZ DO NOT FORGET( HEDLEY, WEEKES, AND WALCOTT!!!!) they are better than LARA and RICHARDS

  • POSTED BY mgzak on | June 14, 2010, 20:45 GMT

    Matthew Jackson's quote : "And regarding Richards: what great failing does he famously share with Botham but not Flintoff or Lara? He never scored a century against the top bowling attack of his era" Dear Matthew Jackson, what exactly are you talking about? Surely, it isn't Australia, England, India, Pakistan or New Zealand.....the 5 test playing countries he played against and scored centuries against. In 1975-76, WI were down under and played against a rampaging Aussi team which included Lillie, Thompson and Walker. Richards played heroicalyl against them and scored quite heavily in the last couple test matches.

  • POSTED BY PrinceofPortofSpain on | June 14, 2010, 20:40 GMT

    Rae and Stollmeyer had an opening partnership average of 72. Michael Holding was the most penetrative fast bowler and still holds the West Indian match recod of 14 wickets. The only way to keep everyone happy is to pick Barbados vs The Rest of The West Indies: Greenidge, Haynes, Weekes, Worrel(capt),Sobers, Nurse, Walcott(wkt), Marshall, Garner, Hall and Clarke vs Fredericks, Rowe, Lara, Richards, Kanhai, Lloyd(capt), Dujon(wkt), Holding, Roberts, Ambrose and Gibbs!

  • POSTED BY K-amps on | June 14, 2010, 20:11 GMT

    Agree with Disaddle with the exception: Greenidge; LG Rowe; IVA Richards; GA Headley; Lara; Sobers; Dujon; Marshall; Roberts; Holding;Ambrose

    Honorable mention to Gibbs, Haynes, Richardson, LLoyd, Walsh, With the 4 pronged pace attack, they could take out many a batting sides, Sobers can be the foil to these pacemen. I have seen these guys take out batsmen on dead wickets. It is amazing to see how marshall developed in 82/83. He picked up pace and accuracy in mid career. His action changed and for me, he is THE best paceman who stood below 6ft tall. He could swing and seam with ease. I know Haynes has partnered Greenidge well, but Rowe had more skills if not a longer career.

  • POSTED BY eddy501 on | June 14, 2010, 20:08 GMT

    @Matthew Jackson.........A WI team with no viv?

    stick to the day job mate, with the very greatest respect you know close to nothing about cricket. God this makes me mad, first someone says no Lara and now no VIV.....complete madness!

  • POSTED BY Murtaza. on | June 14, 2010, 19:58 GMT

    I will must say that this is most difficult to choose all time WI XI, look at Opners I know ther are Greenidge and Haynes and no place for other opners, but Rohan Kanhai's name should have been in the short list stead of Chris Gayle, in the middle order we have Lara, Weekes, lloyed, Headley, Sobers, Richards and Worrel in keepers Dujon and Walcott and in fast bowling Marshall, Garner, Ambrose, Holding, Croft, Hall, AL Valentine, Bishop and Roberts, in Spin Gibs. all these are amazing Players.

  • POSTED BY lodger67 on | June 14, 2010, 19:39 GMT

    To all who are questioning Gayle's inclusion in the short list, it does seem strange, but really, WI have not always been strong for openers. Rae was a good one, but played too few tests to make the all-time shortlist, I think, and apart from that any other long-term opener you can think of is actually behind Gayle and these other four fine batsmen. Rowe played 9 times at opener for an avge of over 60, but the bulk of his career was at 3 or higher in the order as well. Stollmeyer was another good opener, but his overall record is only marginally better than Gayle's and doesn't include the big scores that Gayle has shown himself to be capable of producing from time to time. After that, the rest include the likes of Campbell, Ganga, and so on, who would never make a short list. The main issue is, WI have really only had 5 or 6 really top class openers, so the short list of 5 is not going to be hard to compile. As noted in other discussion, the real battle begins at position number three.

  • POSTED BY lodger67 on | June 14, 2010, 19:26 GMT

    Can we put to bed the questions about Kanhai. His career tally at opener was 10 matches for 290 runs at 24.16 with a top score of 62. The real battle, as noted, will be for the middle order spots. I don't think the jury will allow the easy option by using Walcott as a wicket-keeper since he was only designated keeper in 15 out of his 44 matches, and it would be fun to see who they select out of Murray, Dujon, etc. At Mathew Jackson's comment that Richards never scored against the top attack of his era (that is, his own), by the same logic Bradman would not get picked for any Aus team, nor would Waugh or Ponting. Batsmen cannot choose the strength of their own side, they can only excel against the strength of all others, and Richards did that, including mighty innings against Lillee in his prime.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 19:05 GMT

    My Windies all time XI...Greenidge,Haynes,Richards,Headley,Lara,Sobers,Dujon,Gibbs,Marshall,Holding,Ambrose.. Honorable mention but sad to leave out,Weekes,Walcott,Kanhai,Lloyd,Hall,Ramadin,Garner

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 18:42 GMT

    I think we can only pick one out of these openers. It is impossible to leave out any of these five middle order batsmen: Headley, Weekes, Richards, Lara, Sobers. The only way to go would be to pick Walcott as keeper/opener. My XI would be: Greenidge, Walcott, Richards, Lara, Headley, Weekes, Sobers, Marshall, Holding, Ambrose, Garner. If Hunte is to be played as opener, then Holding should be dropped and Sobers would be the fourth bowler.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 18:38 GMT

    I agree omitting Rohan Khanhi is a mistake, however, Kanhai did bat one down most of his career but what's more disturbing and shocking is that Sir Frank Worrall is missing from choice of list he was as an opener and a better choice over Hunt, Frederick and definitely Gayle ...sorry chris but u r ok 4 20/20.

  • POSTED BY cricket_is_my_life on | June 14, 2010, 18:27 GMT

    I go with many of you and will choose Greenidge and Haynes because of their excellent understanding. The 4 middle order batsmen should be Lara, Richards, Headley and Lloyd with Lloyd as the captain. I am sorry to exclude the three Ws and Kanhai because I need Lloyd who could be a worse batter than these 4. Lloyd should be there because he will be controlling the pace battery. For the same reason, I would choose Dujon as the keeper as he understands the pacers better than any other keeper. My pace battery is: Marshall, Holding, Ambrose and Garner with the understanding that Richards and Sobers will be my spinners. So, the batting order should be: Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Lara, Headley, Lloyd, Dujon, Marshall, Holding, Ambrose and Garner.

  • POSTED BY farazzubair on | June 14, 2010, 18:04 GMT

    With all due respect I dont think Hunte and Gayle can be put in the same league as the other three. Hunte, was mainly a number 3. Fredericks was wonderful but looking at the record of Haynes and Greenidge, I would go for them and honestly telling you its the rather easier aspect of an otherwise WI XI. The names to appear in the line up down the order are much more competitive. I mean with Hunte, Kanhai, Sobers, Lloyd, Lara, Richards, Walcott, Weekes, Worrell, Headley whom do you omit and thats not done yet. The bowling is still amazing whom do you leave out of Marshall, Roberts, Garner, Holding, Ambrose , Walsh , Griffith and Gibbs. Honestly speaking I think I have changed my mind I would push Lara as an opener who opened on many occasions otherwise would have to leave some of the very best. My team 1.Greenidge 2. Lara 3. Headley 4. Richards 5. Walcott 6. Weekes 7. Sobers 8. Marshall 9. Holding 10. Garner 11. Roberts. no room for spinners and not even for Ambrose and Walsh !

  • POSTED BY abner564 on | June 14, 2010, 18:01 GMT

    The opening pair for me is Greenidge and Fedricks.....no bowler can mentally survive they're onslaught......

  • POSTED BY nafzak on | June 14, 2010, 17:51 GMT

    Why is Len Baichan not on this list?  I am Guyanese, so pardon me if pick Freddo as one of my openers, however, I fully expect Greenidge & Haynes to be the all time WI opening pair. WI could probably field 2/3 all time best teams that would give one another other a run for their money. My WI team (& I reserve the right to change my picks anytime until the end of time) is as follows: Greenidge, Haynes, Headley, IVA Richards, Worrell (cap't), Sobers, Dujon, Holding, Marshall, Garner & Gibbs. My next 11 is: Fredericks, Stollmeyer, Weeks, Lara, Kanhai, Lloyd (Cap't), Deryck Murray, Ramadhin, Roberts, Ambrose & Croft. Then there is Richardson, Kallicharran, Rowe (who in my opinion, is one of the greatest that could have been), Valentine, Hall, Walsh, Collis King (what could have been if the WI were not so talented in late 70's early 80's), Chanderpaul, Hunte, Constantine and the list goes on and on…

  • POSTED BY Rake1 on | June 14, 2010, 17:40 GMT

    How about this side: Sewnarine Chattergoon, Philo Wallace, Dave Joseph, Xavier Marshall, Lendl Simmons, Ryan Hinds, David Williams (wk), Ian Bradshaw, Rawl Lewis, Marlon Black, Lionel Baker. Just joking.. My dream team is: Conrad Hunte, Gordon Greenidge, Viv Richards, George Headley, Brian Lara, Clyde Walcott (wk), Garfield Sobers, Malcolm Marshall, Curtly Ambrose, Lance Gibbs & Michael Holding. Simply awesome.

  • POSTED BY gujratwalla on | June 14, 2010, 17:35 GMT

    Very difficult to choose here!I have taken Greenidge and Hunte but it is not me to leave out Roy Fredericks or Haynes.Tremendous players all!Chris Gayle is a good batsman but never in the same class ever!All the first four made their names in pre-helmet days and against great pace bowlers.Any player who takes on a geniune fast bowler WITHOUT a helmet is in for me.

  • POSTED BY mgzak on | June 14, 2010, 17:28 GMT

    Where is George Headley? An all time WI team without 'Atlas'?

  • POSTED BY KDoc on | June 14, 2010, 17:01 GMT

    This might be off topic, but most of the legends of WI cricket are still alive. Are the WICB going to seek their advice in nurturing this losing WI side of today? We have already lost the Great Malcolm Marshall

  • POSTED BY Anand_S on | June 14, 2010, 16:56 GMT

    With due respect to Chris Gayle, I think its really unfair to list him along side the likes of Greenidge, Haynes, Conrad Hunte. Also not listing Rohan Kanhai and listing Chris Gayle?? I think something got missed somewhere. Gayle is destructive and a class act, no doubt, but if I do have the choice of the other openers listed here, I dont think Gayle even qualifies to be in the race. Of course, no offense meant to Chris Gayle, but we are talking about a test team and not a T20 team!!

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 16:50 GMT

    @ Zohebchampion - I take your point about Kanhai. But he only opened in ten tests, mainly right at the start of his career. As an opener, he averaged 24.17, with just one 50. He may have been successful if he had returned to opening after he matured, but we will never know.

    Nonetheless, a brilliant number 3 - I'm sure that he will be nominated for inclusion, but probably won't make cut, as Lara and Richards (and maybe Walcott) are probably fighting for the final spot.

    And regarding Richards: what great failing does he famously share with Botham but not Flintoff or Lara? He never scored a century against the top bowling attack of his era!

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 16:41 GMT

    This is maddness, how is Gayle in this lineup. If Gayle makes the eleven Jimmy Adams and F. Mohamed are fools. I'm sure they are other Guys worthy of a mention. It will be interesting what they will come up with for the middle order. But I'll make one point clear, Gibbs and sobers gotta be in that eleven or the jury doesn't know cricket.

  • POSTED BY rson on | June 14, 2010, 16:37 GMT

    I would say that the two best openers are definitely Greenidge and Conrad Hunte.However I cannot see leaving Frank Worrell off the team as player or captain.Inasmuch as Worrell opened with considerable success I would shift him to partner Greenidge with the rest of the lineup including Headley at 3,followed by Richards,Weekes(or Lara),Sobers,Walcott behind the stumps,Marshall,Garner,Ambrose and Gibbs.If it is thought that Sobers and Richards can handle the spin duties,we should consider that Worrell was a far better bowler than any Sri Lanka pacer except Vaas,to put things into perspective.The batting could also be packed by excluding gibbs or Garner and leaving both Lara and Weekes in.Don't think Walcottt would look very kindly at batting at # 8 though.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 16:32 GMT

    Haynes and Greenidge for sure they did well together. although if its all time you may expect that Hunte can make adjustment and bat with Greenidge. The middle order BC Lara, Masa George Iva Richards Sobers Walcott as keeper bowlers Marshal Ambrose Roberts (most underated West Indian fast bowler) and Gibbs (assuming you have to pick a spinner) if not Holding takes Gibbs place. Also Lara would have done much betteras a batsman if he had these greats to bat around him and was not the focal point of the other teams attack. Few other crickters on any all-time list had less support that Lara. That said my all-time team will be hard to beat.

  • POSTED BY diSaddle on | June 14, 2010, 16:14 GMT

    Unfortunately, Dessie does not make my all-time WIndian team. I have to make room for Mr. Headley. My team follows: Greenidge, Richards, Headley, Lara, Lloyd, Sobers, Dujon, Marshall, Roberts, Ambrose, Gibbs.

  • POSTED BY zohebchampion on | June 14, 2010, 15:35 GMT

    Rohan Kanhai's name should have been in the list of openers.He was an wondeful player, full of flair and grace. West Indian middle order will be so loaded with super stars that his name might not be mentioned there.Since he played both as opener and middle order batsman, his name would fit more as opener.

  • POSTED BY vish1036 on | June 14, 2010, 15:22 GMT

    i dont see how most people put holding for theirs...3 pacers would easily we ambrose garner and the our best of all marshall. walsh would a 4th for me...Greenidge and Haynes here for me though.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 15:22 GMT

    Although Hunte is probably slightly better than Haynes, I'd pick Haynes as Greendige's partner. Having a pair who have played with each other so much would be an advantage in a hypothetical match-up against the other All Time XIs (only SL so far have an opening pair who played together - although I'd have England open with Hobbs and Sutcliffe, with Hutton at 3).

    My WI squad: Greenidge Haynes Weekes Headley Lara Sobers Walcott (wk) Marshall Garner Ambrose Holding.

    (That middle order is amazing - I can't believe there is no room for Richards! Aargh! The only problem is that Walcott's mainly kept to spin bowlers - could do the job with that pace attack?)

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | June 14, 2010, 15:06 GMT

    I dont think 1 could ask for more than his performance in essentially the toughest place 2 tour in recent cricket last year? under the pressure of leading a side weakened by injury 2 key players like Taylor & Fidel & lack of practice due 2 the contract fiasco/farce , with his mother ill & almost the entire region & a good portion of the cricketing world calling 4 his head on a platter he stood tall & delivered a good account of himself. In any strong cricket team that wood hav inspired them 2 give their best & win the series 2-1 as we should hav done! he deserves credit bcause not many cricketers could have done what he did! when last has any1 done such a thing? instead of bashing him give him credit & support where its due. i no its hard 2 always b on the losing side but there must be a silver lining 2 this never ending cloud i guess? or a pot of gold @ the end of the rainbow?

  • POSTED BY va_jatt on | June 14, 2010, 15:01 GMT

    without a dou80bt sir gardon greenidge and sir desmond hayens... they were best openin pair of 80 ... gayle don't come closer to them..

  • POSTED BY waspsting on | June 14, 2010, 14:49 GMT

    Greendidge and Haynes for me - though Hunte isn't far behind. Given the quantity of class players viaing for middle order spots, I think Worrell and Kanhai should have been among the contenders here (though i wouldn't have picked them - opening is a specialists job, IMO). Ridiculous that Gayle is among the candidates while Stollmeyer isn't. Who the hell came up with this list of candidates (again, wouldn't choose Stollmeyer, but Gayle doens't have a hope of making this team - might as well include Corey Collymore among the list of fast bowling candidates - its pathetic)

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | June 14, 2010, 14:43 GMT

    Gayle does have a tendency 2 speak rashly & b inconsistent but i think ppl need 2 cut him some slack. how many persons could have done as well as him with the lack of footwork & the kind of teammates that he has? since being captain he has actually stepped up his game by improving his batting average. he really is trying hard despite the circumstances. chanderpaul is also another person who should be given credit for what he has achieved. niether of them might get a lot of praise & mention but they have both worked had with whatever talent they have been given to achieve what they have.

  • POSTED BY Kushh on | June 14, 2010, 14:35 GMT

    u guys are being really unfair to chris gayle. wts wrong with him being in the list? he's the coolest of the pack anyhow..

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 14:19 GMT

    We can make atleast 3 world beater XIs from the West Indies cricketers. I bet the jury will have a tough time picking the XI.

  • POSTED BY nyroot on | June 14, 2010, 14:12 GMT

    The team that Loyd captained in the early 80s is the best team ever that Windies has produced. All players are fearsomely destructive and are legends of cricket. The saddest thing for Brian Lara is that during his prime days he did not get any support from other players and that's the reason you will see more of his personal accomplishments than team accomplishments. This team would be my XI: 1.Gordon Greenidge 2.Desmond Haynes 3.Viv Richards 4.Brian Lara 5.Clive Loyd (Captain) 6.Gary Sobers 7.Jeff Dujon 8.Michael Holding 9.Malcom Marshall 10.Joel Garner 11.Curtley Ambrose 12.Richie Richardson (12th Man)

  • POSTED BY ranand88 on | June 14, 2010, 13:54 GMT

    I go with the following WESTINDIES XI :

    1. G.Greenidge 2. D.Haynes 3. V.Richards(WK) 4. B.Lara 5. C.Lloyd (C) 6. G. Headley 7. G.Sobers 8. M.Marshall 9. A.Roberts 10. C.Walsh 11. L.Gibbs 12. M. Holding.

    The Miss out can be C.Ambrose, J.Dujon (WK), Garner.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 13:53 GMT

    In my opinion there is no any opener who is fine than Gorden Greenidge and Dasmond Haynes. They are the most valuable openers West Indies ever produced. Chris Gayle comes closer to them but doesnt have the great temproment needed for test cricket. So I go with these two dashing and stylish combination of openers.

  • POSTED BY manasvi_lingam on | June 14, 2010, 13:40 GMT

    The middle order will be the hardest of all. Even though Lara has an awesome record one must look at his stats in the 90s which produced reasonably bowler friendly pitches and some of the greatest spinners and fast bowlers. His average in the 90s was less than 50, and only after 2000 when most of the fast bowling greats had retired, did his average rise. On the other hand, the 2 W's, Sir Richards and George Headley have phenomenal records considering the conditions that they played in were much more conducive to fast bowling. So, no place for Lara in the middle order.

  • POSTED BY Jasonharcourt on | June 14, 2010, 13:38 GMT

    Sheesh, how do we keep to just 11 players for the all-time Windies side? I chose Greenidge and Haynes for the opening berths, but the middle order will be interesting. Who do you drop from Sobers, Richards, all of the 3 Ws, Lloyd, Logie, Headley, Lara, Richardson, Kallicharan, etc. etc. etc. etc....?

  • POSTED BY lugujaga on | June 14, 2010, 13:29 GMT

    grinidge,haynes,viv,lara,headly,lloyd sobers,dujon,roberts,holding,ambrose,marshal,garner

  • POSTED BY wibbly on | June 14, 2010, 13:29 GMT

    greenidge was the perfect batsman, technically very good and truly devastating when on the go...either haynes or fredericks would be ideal partners...looking at other comments they definitely reflect the times in which we live. the two best wicket keepers produced by the west indies have been deryck murray and jackie hendricks. murray was a very useful batsman and played many great crisis knocks, hendricks never really showed much batting ability and neither was in the class of dujon as a batsman.there was a time when the best keeper would be the automatic choice as opposed to the current batsman/keeper trend...however if a batsman/keeper is preferred to a pure keeper than walcott should be selected ahead of dujon, he was a better bat and just as good a keeper.

  • POSTED BY NALINWIJ on | June 14, 2010, 13:22 GMT

    Apart from Gayle it is a tough choice between the other 4 legends. I pick Greenidge and Haynes as they formed a great combination but Fredricks and Hunte was almost as good. My AT XI is 1.Greenidge 2.Haynes 3.Richards[c] 4.Headley 5.Lara 6.Sobers 7.Dujon 8.Marshall 9.Holding 10.Ambrose 11.Gibbs and the XI that just missed out is 1.Hunte 2.Fredricks 3.Worrell[c] 4.Weekes 5.Wallcott 6.Lloyd 7.Hendricks[WK} 8.Roberts 9.Garner 10.Walsh 11.Valentine 12.Constantine. only Austalian AT XI can produce depth like this.

  • POSTED BY Jabari18 on | June 14, 2010, 13:21 GMT

    Chrris Gayle? Are you serious? He should not even be in the current West Indies 11 if not for a lack of options. He can barely play against a moving ball - an opener who cannot play when the ball is moving, and he is being considered for the all-time 11. This is an insult to the greats of the past. For my opening partnership, I will go with Greenidge and Hunte.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 13:18 GMT

    ANSWERING CAMEL1979;JAMAICAN11; Allan RAE,J.K.HOLT,George Headley,Lawrence Rowe,Chris Gayle,Collie Smith,Jeff Dujon,Alf Valentine,Michael Holding,Courtney Walsh,Roy Gilchrist.Honestly,may not quite match your Bajan team on paper,but boy;I would pay a lot of money to see these teams do battle.

  • POSTED BY Thenextbigbird on | June 14, 2010, 13:05 GMT

    You would just have to have the Greenidge/Haynes combination at the top. I reckon the only one in contention for one of these spots is roy fredericks. Its amazing, this is going to be one flamboyant team, full of aggressive strokemaking batsmen along with the quick fiery bowlers. My team would honestly be 1. Desmond Haynes 2. Gordon Greenidge 3. George Headley 4. Everton Weekes 5. Viv Richard 6. Brian Lara 7. Garry Sobers, having these 3 lower in the order as they are possibly the most aggressive of all the top 7. 8. Jeoff Dujon (WK) 9. Malcolm Marshall 10.Curtly Ambrose 11. Andy Roberts 12th Man- Clive Lloyd

    There middle order is so dam difficult, i've put gary sobers in as the all rounder who can bowl his meds and spinners. It would be so hard not to put clive lloyd in, averaging 45 with the bat and being arguably the greatest captain in the history of the game. But you cant cant leave any of those middle order players out....Along with the star bowlers to miss out

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 12:59 GMT

    Sir Frank Worrell simply has to be captain. That a certainty. Now Lara great batsman that he is should play but may very well not get picked. If I pick lara I have to have Worrell in my team to control his ego. This is by far the most difficult of these all time elevens being picked here. Here's Mine:

    Gordon Greenidge - Roy Fredericks - George Headley - Viv Richards - Everton Weekes -* Frank Worrell - Garfield Sobers ( sir) - + Jeffrey Dujon - Michael Holding - Malcolm Marshall - Wesley Hall.

    Lance Gibbs 12th man.. Roberts 13th.. Lara 13th

    This team will do well. In Australia Greenidge will not get hugh scores as he only ended with one ton down under but other would do well down there. I think this team is well enough balanced. Even though Three captains may cause some friction but Worrell will do well to stamp his authority. It;s not perfect and the batting order can be juggled a bit but this team is somewhat better than the current Westindies Team.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 12:44 GMT

    My first XI is 1.Conrad Hunte 2.Gordon Greenidge 3.George Headley 4.Everton Weekes 5.Garfield Sobers (Capt) 6.Clyde Walcott 7.Jeffrey Dujon 8.Malcolm Marshall 9.Joel Garner 10.Curtley Ambrose 11.Sonny Ramadhin

    My second XI is 1.Roy Fredericks 2.Jeffrey Stollmyer 3.Brian Lara 4.Vivian Richards 5.Frank Worrel (Capt) 6.Chivnarine Chanderpaul 7.Ridley Jacobs 8.Colin Croft 9.Michael Holding 10. Ian Bishop 11.Lance Gibbs

  • POSTED BY lazytrini on | June 14, 2010, 12:29 GMT

    Including Gayle affects the credibility of this whole endeavor. Thankfully, I'm certain the jury and the public are smart enough to know that Gayle does not merit a place on a Second XI or even a Third XI.

  • POSTED BY Punanydan on | June 14, 2010, 12:05 GMT

    Not certain how Chris Gayle name got mentioned here but I will take that as an error. To me the openers should be Greenidge and Hunte without a doubt. Would have love to have gone with Haynes and Greenidge but Hunte was by far the better of the two. What I can say about Haynes as he got older he was playing better than ever. Greenidge and Hunte I believe would have complimented each other both could handle the fast and spin bowlers adequately. Also I took into account both batsmen were very technically correct. That is what I love about both players if they weren't in form they could rely on their technique to get them out of a rut.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 12:02 GMT

    Greenidge,Haynes,Headley,Lara,Richards,Walcott,Sobers,Holding,Marshall,Garner,Ambrose.With Sobers and Richards to supply spin if needed,no team on earth national or international could survive against this lot.

  • POSTED BY Pajny on | June 14, 2010, 11:57 GMT

    My West Indian All Time XI is as follows-

    1) Gordon Greenidge, 2) Desmond Haynes, 3) Vivian Richards, 4) B C Lara, 5) Garfield Sobers 6) George Headley 7) C L Walcott 8) M D Marshall 9) Curtly Ambrose 10) Michael Holding 11) Lance Gibbs 12) Joel Garner

  • POSTED BY Engle on | June 14, 2010, 11:42 GMT

    Greenidge gets in. Now, who best to partner him ? Haynes complements him, that is proven. Fredericks too as a LH bat, though we need 1 opener with stability. Hunte, I believe, will raise the level of the opening partnership with maturity, solidity and poise. Greenidge and Hunte. That I believe is the best combo.

  • POSTED BY sanjeevmukherjee2006 on | June 14, 2010, 11:40 GMT

    well three teams can be made but we have to choose one for me (1) greendge (2) haynes (3) lara (4) viv richards (5) lloyd-captain (6) sobers (7) dujon (8) marshal (9) holding (10) garner (11) ambrose.. we dont need a spinner cause sobers was more than a useful spinner and viv richards could also spin.

  • POSTED BY Venkatb on | June 14, 2010, 11:37 GMT

    Knowing the fearsome middle-order to come, I would include Kanhai among the openers, as he has several times in his career. Perhaps even Sobers as he did in his early years.

  • POSTED BY camel1979 on | June 14, 2010, 11:37 GMT

    You have to push one of the middle order up to get your best XI. Or pretend that one of these guys is a wicketkeeper. Or both. Didn't really think too hard which order to line the tail up, but lets face it, it's not going to come to that is it?

    1. Greenidge 2. Headley 3. Richards 4. Lara 5. Weekes 6. Sobers 7. Dujon 8. Marshall 9. Holding 10. Ambrose 11. Garner

    Just for a bit of fun, here's a bajan Xi (pop. 275,000)

    1. Greenidge 2. Haynes 3. Hunte. 4. Weekes 5. Worrell (c) 6. Sobers 7. Walcott + 8. Marshall 9. Garner 10. Griffiths 11. Wes Hall

    Any other island XI's?

  • POSTED BY AB99 on | June 14, 2010, 11:33 GMT

    1. Greenidge 2. Haynes 3. Richards 4. Lara 5. Worell (c) 6. Sobers 7. Dujon 8. Marshall 9. Hall 10. Holding 11. Garner or Ambrose

  • POSTED BY CiMP on | June 14, 2010, 11:17 GMT

    Greenidge and Haynes in my book. It causes huge ache to leave out Roy Fredericks though. Fredericks would have been in the hunt had it not been for the fact that openers hunt(e?) in pairs.

  • POSTED BY HLANGL on | June 14, 2010, 10:50 GMT

    What about the following XI ? May be too early to predict, but I feel in the absense of a genuinely great spinner (Lans Gibbs may be the closest) & due to the facts that WIs had some fiery pacemen in past who didn't require the support from a spinner at all & Sobers could play the dual role (the medium pacer & the occasional spinner), I guess Lans Gibbs can be made the 12th man in the side where bowling is dominated by pace giants. 1. Gordon Greenidge, 2. Desmond Haynes, 3. Viv Richards (all-time icon for destructive batting), 4. Brian Lara, 5. George Headley/Everton Weeks, 6. Garfield Sobers (batting allrounder, a very very capable bat & a decent bowler), 7. Clive Loyd (cpt.) 8. Jeoff Dujon (wk) 8. Malcom Marshell 9. Curtley Ambrose 10. Michael Holding 11. Joel Garner, 12th man: Lans Gibbs. Unfortunate ones to miss out (who could be serious contenders for any all-time XI anyway): Roy Fedricks, Everton Weeks/George Headley (one of them), Clyd Walcott, Frank Worrel, Courtney Walsh.

  • POSTED BY kermeey2 on | June 14, 2010, 10:44 GMT

    Hunte, Fredericks, Richards, Lara, Sobers, Worrel, Gibbs, Hall, Watson, Roberts, Valentine, Alexander

  • POSTED BY SilentWhisperr on | June 14, 2010, 10:44 GMT

    may be the best, Gordan Greenidge, Desmond Haynes, Garry Sobers, Viv Richards, Brian Lara, *Frank Worrell, +Clyde Walcott, Malcolm Marshall, Michael Holding, Andy Roberts, Joel Garner

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 10:42 GMT

    I think you all made a mistake with the nationality of Clifford Roach, he was Trinidadian....please take note of this.

  • POSTED BY YBCASkipper on | June 14, 2010, 10:40 GMT

    My all time WI XI shall be : Greenidge,Haynes,Lara,Richards,Lloyd(Capt),Sobers,Dujon(WK),Marshall,Holding,Ambrose,Walsh.

  • POSTED BY eddy501 on | June 14, 2010, 10:39 GMT

    @ youngkeepersdad!!!!!!!!! with the greatest respect, LARA 12th man!!!!

    Lara was capable of innings unseen in test cricket ever. full stop. Lara had the huge inning making of Don Bradman (9 double tons and several 150+ scores). Lara had record test run scoring record (making his runs in less time and less matches and less innings than Tendulkar) Lara had the breath taking ability, if not the ferocity, of entertaining and taking apart attacks like VIV. He would walk into any countires best XI.

    my XI.....GG, DH, BCL, Sir IVR, GH, Sir GS, JD, MM, CA, MH.LG.

  • POSTED BY Silva-Surfa on | June 14, 2010, 10:34 GMT

    An embarrassment of riches to choose from. I've only seen old footage of legends such as Headley, Hunte, 3xWs, Constantine, Ramadin, Valentine, Hall and Griffiths. So i can only base my choice on who i've seen live. 1.Greenidge, 2.Haynes, 3.Richards, 4.Lara, 5.Lloyd (cpt), 6.Sobers, 7.Dujon (wk), 8.Marshall, 9.Holding, 10.Ambrose, 11.Gibbs.

  • POSTED BY King-ofAll-Kings on | June 14, 2010, 10:07 GMT

    Chris Gayle & Gordon Greenidge- Entertaining and effective openers

  • POSTED BY NKJcric on | June 14, 2010, 9:52 GMT

    This XI to be selected will be arguably top the table in a world cup of all time XIs. There are so many players to choose form, Roach, rowe, Headley, Sobers ,Haynes, Rae,Stollmeyer, Alexander,Worrell,Weekes,Hall,Hunte,Griffith,Gilchrist,Kanhai,Walcott,Lloyd, Smith,Gibbs,Dujon,Garner,Marshall,Roberts,Holding,Croft,Ambrose,Walsh,Chanderpaul,Gayle,Lara and more! I believe the only clear cut choices for this XI are Headley and Sobers who reached a superhuman realm of greatness only bettered by Bradman. I will now attempt to provide my all-time WI XI. 1.Greenidge2.Haynes3.Headley4.Weekes 5.Richards 6.Sobers 7.Walcott 8.Marshall 9.Garner 10.Ambrose 11. Gibbs 12th man: Learie Constantine top five Players who just missed out (that were part of the XI before i changed it for the final time) : Lara, Worrell,Holding,Walsh and Wes Hall.

  • POSTED BY RezaThahir on | June 14, 2010, 9:30 GMT

    1. Greenidge 2. Haynes 3. Lara 4. Sobers 5. Richards 6. Headley 7. Walcott (w) 8. Marshall 9. Ambrose 10. Gibbs 11. Holding

  • POSTED BY Redbac on | June 14, 2010, 9:29 GMT

    My West Indian all-time XI: Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Lara, Lloyd (c), Sobers, Dujon, Marshall, Ambrose, Gibbs, Holding

  • POSTED BY Hoggy_1989 on | June 14, 2010, 9:25 GMT

    For me, the team would be Greenidge, Haynes, Headley, Lara, Richards (c), Sobers, Dujon (wk), Marshall, Ambrose, Gibbs and Walsh.

    You could so easily make a '2nd XI' as well of equal strength: Hunte, Gayle, Weekes, Worrell (c), Lloyd, Hooper, Walcott (wk), Roberts, Holding, Garner and Croft.

    In that team I'd be playing Hooper as an off-spinning allrounder, not that you'd need him too much with Roberts, Holding, Garner and Croft doing your fast bowling work!

  • POSTED BY David_1946 on | June 14, 2010, 9:22 GMT

    @faheemkhemji: yes, agreed it's devastating! You could easily get two Windies sides that would provide stiff opposition for the best XI's from all other countries, when you consider whom you've had to leave out: Hunte, Fredericks, GA Headley, Constantine, Weekes, Walcott, Worrell, Kanhai, Nurse, RB Richardson, Kallicharran, Rowe, Chanderpaul, DL Murray, Garner, Roberts, Croft, CA Walsh, WW Hall, CC Griffith, Ramadhin, Valentine, ...... and probably many others that I've forgotten, LOL. The Windies' record over the years betrays the awesome talent that it (until recently, perhaps) has invariably had at its disposal.

  • POSTED BY pragmatist on | June 14, 2010, 9:04 GMT

    Greenidge and Haynes, the selection of the opening pair is a given. Not only were they brilliant individuals, to have them batting together would be an extra plus for the all-time XI.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 8:40 GMT

    my 11 wud be greenidge , hunte, lara, richards,g.headley, sobers, walcott, marshall, ambrose,gibbs, roberts

  • POSTED BY flashgordon214 on | June 14, 2010, 8:28 GMT

    I have been waiting for this to write about my favourite team and the eleven. My team would be 1) Gordon Greenidge 2) C.Hunte 3) Viv Richards (capt) 4) BC Lara 5) Weekes 6) Gary Sobers (all rounder) 7) Walcott (W.k) 8) Malcolm Marshall 9) M.Holding 10) Wes Hall 11) L.Gibbs . I know i have missed many greats in this eleven like Lloyd, Garner, Croft, Roberts, Dujon, Haynes, Rowe, Fredericks, Ambrose, Walsh, Headley, Worrell,Ramadhin, Valetine. Also i think captain must be Richards because of his record and the fear he generated. I think this is the best bowling attack with 3 Fast, 1 chinamen cum medium pacer with 1 spinner of class to support them.This will be the team to beat.

  • POSTED BY bala_krithu on | June 14, 2010, 8:25 GMT

    You plumping Gayle inot these greats lists looks little out of placed. These is far too much difference between a bludgeon and a surgeons knife.

    The rest of the characters had finesse with power but here you are talking about brute power. While the others were a joy to behold Gayle definitely does not give any pleasure whatsoever.

    We have had heady moments (we are still living on those memories) and do not spoil it by saying that Gayle stars in the all time greats list, that we will take it as an affront to good viewership.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 8:25 GMT

    My own alltime West Indies side would be as follows:

    Headley; Worrell *; Richards; Lara; Weekes; Walcott +; Sobers; Constantine; Marshall; Ambrose; Gibbs.

  • POSTED BY cricketaustralia on | June 14, 2010, 8:20 GMT

    close, but incorrect. greenidge and haynes have to open. followed by lara, richards, headley, sobers, dujon, marshall, ambrose, holding and garner. they would wipe the floor with any country's all time xi

  • POSTED BY T.Yousuf on | June 14, 2010, 8:13 GMT

    Out of the list I will pick Gordon Grenidge and Desmopnd Haynes.Also the best opening pair in the world of 1980s...

  • POSTED BY ygkd on | June 14, 2010, 7:58 GMT

    Gayle deserves a chance because, after all, this is the West Indies and someone needs to be there for his reggae ability. Seriously, Greenidge & Hunte every time, along with Headley, Richards, Worrell (must be captain), Sobers, Walcott (wk), Marshall, Holding, Garner & Gibbs. Sorry, but in a long-term view Lara might be relegated to 12th man only, unless you pick a deserving Constantine for his all-round abilities instead.

  • POSTED BY ahassan on | June 14, 2010, 7:46 GMT

    Most of the readers have not followed the West Indian cricket from the beginning. That is why most of them have not mentioned the names of the 3 W's, Rohan Kanhai and the greatest batsman of them all, George Headley. It will be a difficult task to select the middle order. As far as the openers are concerned my choice are Greenidge and Hunte. Hunte was the most reliable opener to play for The West Indies and his average shows that he was the best of all the openers. With this format of 2 openers , 3 middle order batsmen, 1 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 3 fast bowlers and and a spinner, my all- time test XI will be. Hunte, Greenidge, Richards, Headley, Weekes, Sobers, Dujon, Marshal, Holding, Garner and Gibbs. Can anybody imagine omitting the likes of Haynes, Fredricks, Kanhai, Walcott, Worrell, Lara, Roberts, Ambrose, Walsh, Croft, Ramadhin and I may have missed the names of some other greats of West Indian cricket. It is a pity that they don't produce cricketers like those any more.

  • POSTED BY manasvi_lingam on | June 14, 2010, 7:40 GMT

    Other honourable mentions are: 1) Lawrence Rowe (who opened in only 9 of his 30 Tests and averaged over 60 as an opener) 2) The underrated AF Rae who provided the starts for the three W's and Sobers and averaged more than any opener on the current list: 46.18 3) JB Stollmeyer who captained a somewhat weak team before the emergence of the 3 W's and Sobers and averaged around 42.

  • POSTED BY wizard_2169 on | June 14, 2010, 7:18 GMT

    My choice is a combination of teams in 60s-70s and 80s.

    Hunte-Greenidge-Kanhai-Richards-Lara-Sobers-Lloyd-Dujon-Roberts-Gibbs-Walsh

    12th man - Holding

    We are taking Lloyd also as an allrounder (as he used to be in 60s) - so he can support Gibbs in the spin department.

    Of course - Fast bolwers - there are too much of choice - we could accommodate only so many:)

  • POSTED BY HLANGL on | June 14, 2010, 7:16 GMT

    Going by the far longer perseverance & the statistics to back, one might pick Desmond Haynes to partner Gordon Greenidge as the opening combination. That being said, I really wonder what Roy Fedricks could have turned out to be if he could play more games at the international level. He had given some glimpses of what a wonderfully gifted destructive batsman he was during the 50+ international games he played, at times putting some of the most feared bowlers at his time to sword. Just going by some of his Youtube clips, his stance seems to be wonderfully similar to that of Brian Lara. While Lara played a lot more conventional game, Fedricks had been more a berserker. At his best, could be even more destructive than Gordon Greenidge was. Conrud Hunte almost went unnoticed when Sobers made 365*, yet made 260 in the same innings. No doubt he was a very good batsman too. So, really a harder job to comeup with 2 openers in WI all-time XI, given the nature of these contenders present.

  • POSTED BY nataraajds on | June 14, 2010, 7:15 GMT

    D.Haynes, G.Greenidge, B.Lara, V.Richards, C.Lloyd, G.Sobers, J.Dujohn, M.Marshall, C.Ambrose, J.Garner, M.Holding.---these cricketers are legends & this is my altime great WI XI..

  • POSTED BY Proteas_Supporter on | June 14, 2010, 7:11 GMT

    difficult to choose an WI all time eleven because there are almost 30 odd players have the potential to make it to the eleven. i'll go with greenidge and haynes. close call between fredricks and haynes. amazing to see gayle, he is a good batsman but not good enough to be got selected in an all time eleven. it will be interesting to see who are all the fast bowlers who'll make the cut. choosing 3 fast bowlers out of 15 is going to be really an headache, but an nice one. the middle order will also be an tightly contested. can we have 3 all time WI eleven team because its really difficult.

  • POSTED BY Gopu61 on | June 14, 2010, 7:11 GMT

    Even though Iam an Indian,I liked the way Windies thrashed the opponents in 1970s ,80s and 90s.Even though they won almost all matches,they were dignified.That makes them more likeable.In the above list,Greenedege and Haynes are the automatic choices.They laid the strong base for Windies victory in most of the tests.I still remember Gordon scoring a wonderful century agst India(when they were up agst a big total by India),when his daughter was in death bed and he left the ground retired hurt only after seeing his team is out of danger and his daughter passed away after a short while

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 6:59 GMT

    For me, I really didn't wanna mess with the legendary combination of Haynes and Greenidge, but Chris Gayle for me edges ahead of Haynes. Gayle can be a handy bowler. And as a batsman doesn't avg much less than Haynes, and also has a knack for high scores. And given all the great talents batting around him unlike his playing career, who knows what he could achieve. Imagine the fear bowlers will face if Gayle and Viv can get a partnership going!

  • POSTED BY cricket-crazee on | June 14, 2010, 6:48 GMT

    The biggest problem with WI selection will be middle order. Three greatest middle order batsmen of all time (G.Headley, V.Richards, B.Lara) all have their peak success at No.3 spot :) This will be a real challenge for the jury. My final WI XI will be D.Haynes, G.Greenidge, G.Headley, B.Lara, V.Richards, G.Sobers, C.Walcott, M.Marshall, C.Ambrose, L.Gibbs, M.Holding.

  • POSTED BY Supratik on | June 14, 2010, 6:46 GMT

    Very very difficult choice between the first 4. I would go for Hunte & Greenidge. Roy and Dessie Haynes just missing out. As Tony rightly said Hunte adapted his style with the team's interest in mind and was rock solid in an era when England & Australia were better than the Windies. Greenidge walks in easily, who always played under the shadow of King Viv, but an all time great opener, just behind Hobbs and Gavaskar. For nostalgic reasons one would like to pick Roy Fredericks, especially for that WACA scorcher, but based on logic and consistency he would miss out by half a point and the same goes for Haynes.

  • POSTED BY zingzangspillip on | June 14, 2010, 6:45 GMT

    Why isn't Jeffrey Stollmeyer on the list? He's one of West Indies' most important early players, and to average 42 at that time and in that team is a fantastic achievement. As opposed to Chris Gayle, whose entire career can be summed up in the word 'underachiever'.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 6:44 GMT

    With 3Ws, Sobers, Lara, Richards, George Headley, Chanderpaul in the middle order, it is very tempting to push one of these to open. Greenidge is good enough to hold his own, but hunte or Haynes at the expense of any of these in the middle order would be difficult to Justify. But, If I have to pick openers, it'll be Hunte and Greenidge.

  • POSTED BY cricket-crazee on | June 14, 2010, 6:34 GMT

    My West Indies XI would be this deadly lineup: D.Haynes, G.Greenidge, B.Lara, V.Richards, C.Lloyd, G.Sobers, J.Dujohn, M.Marshall, C.Ambrose, L.Gibbs, M.Holding. Wao! isnt it Devastating!?

  • POSTED BY smudgeon on | June 14, 2010, 6:07 GMT

    For someone who grew up watching most teams squashed by the fearsome Windies of the 80s, it's no contest: Greenidge & Haynes. I think the batting lineup will probably pick itself (why is Chris Gayle on this list? Best of a poor current crop, perhaps), however the bowling attack is going to be hard...VERY hard. How do you whittle down a list that includes Andy Roberts, Joel Garner, Malcolm Marshall, Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Michael Holding, Lance Gibbs, and Colin Croft - some of the best and most feared bowlers in history. Draw them out of a hat, perhaps...

  • POSTED BY sherishahmir on | June 14, 2010, 5:42 GMT

    The great WI side of 1970 & 1980 in particular who ruled and devestated the rest of world teams. Hats off to players like Sir V Richards, haynes,G Greeniedge, C Lyold, M Marshal, G Garner, Richie Richardson, C Ambrose, Walsh, G Logie G Sobbers, B Lara, M holding, Colin Craft L Gomes C Hooper and many more.

    All the best to WI with the wish and hope that WI cricket can again provide greats to cricket world as they done in past.

  • POSTED BY AtticusFinch on | June 14, 2010, 5:34 GMT

    Does Lawrence Rowe not deserve a mention in your list? Is he not considered a pure opening batsman or has he been left out for his part in the SA Rebel tour?

  • POSTED BY Paki.Fan. on | June 14, 2010, 5:12 GMT

    Greenidge Haynes is among the best opening batsmen in cricket history and I dont think anyone else being selected for this spot.

    7 players for me are automatic selection in this side

    Greenidge,Haynes, Sir Viv, Sir Gary, Holding, Marshall, Dujon

  • POSTED BY manasvi_lingam on | June 14, 2010, 5:07 GMT

    What the hell is Gayle doing in this list? After 86 matches, which is more than most in the list, he still averages barely over 40 in a time where batting averages have become inflated. The choice for me boils down to between Hunte, Greenidge and Haynes. The last 2 had an excellent understanding which is very important for any opening pair. However I'd go with Greenidge and Hunte.

  • POSTED BY Rydham on | June 14, 2010, 5:02 GMT

    Difficult choice between Haynes and Hunte as far as statistics is concerned. Greenidge is the obvious choice. Gayle can be left out due to his suitability to ODIs more than Test matches. Since I am not from the era of 60s & 70s, I do not know much about Hunte but yes ... Haynes was one of the legend. OVer to West Indians !!

  • POSTED BY emmwill on | June 14, 2010, 4:58 GMT

    Good piece, Tony. I was not a cricket fan during the glory days of Greenidge and Haynes, but I feel they were the best from statistics I have seen. I don't think Hunte and Fredericks were better than them. Gayle is among the best, undoubtedly, but he needs to prove himself some more. I would go with Greenidge and Haynes for now until Gayle's career comes to an end.

  • POSTED BY PGW81 on | June 14, 2010, 4:54 GMT

    My favorite team and my favorite stars - all legends in their own right. Extremely difficult to choose. Am waiting in earnest to see the selection of fast bowlers for this XI.... Nothing more difficult than that. But I wonder why Gayle appears here? Gayle is a good batsman but given to mood swings. He can be as destructive as he can be self desctructive. I would not pick Gayle in a WI all time XI. Too lazy and inconsistent. To see off a pace attack such as Aus/Eng in thos days required patience and skill - Haynes and Greenidge had both. Fredericks - atruly amazing batsman. Other than T20 Gayle should not feature elsewhere. But its the bowling line up thats going to be the challenge. Is the JURY ready???

  • POSTED BY New_Wind on | June 14, 2010, 4:42 GMT

    I think you have missed Clyde Walcot. To achieve better balance, Walcot as wicket keeper and opener will be very essential. my all time 11 is Greenidge, Walcot, George Headley, Viv Richards, Brian Lara, Sobers, Marshal, Holding, Garner, Ambrose, Lance Gibbs

  • POSTED BY CricFan78 on | June 14, 2010, 4:40 GMT

    Greenidge and Hunte for me

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 4:21 GMT

    Very hard to pick only one that can be left out from 5 if surely gayle as his average it self speaks for it self i nan era wehre its below par for even a subpar batsmen.

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  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2010, 4:21 GMT

    Very hard to pick only one that can be left out from 5 if surely gayle as his average it self speaks for it self i nan era wehre its below par for even a subpar batsmen.

  • POSTED BY CricFan78 on | June 14, 2010, 4:40 GMT

    Greenidge and Hunte for me

  • POSTED BY New_Wind on | June 14, 2010, 4:42 GMT

    I think you have missed Clyde Walcot. To achieve better balance, Walcot as wicket keeper and opener will be very essential. my all time 11 is Greenidge, Walcot, George Headley, Viv Richards, Brian Lara, Sobers, Marshal, Holding, Garner, Ambrose, Lance Gibbs

  • POSTED BY PGW81 on | June 14, 2010, 4:54 GMT

    My favorite team and my favorite stars - all legends in their own right. Extremely difficult to choose. Am waiting in earnest to see the selection of fast bowlers for this XI.... Nothing more difficult than that. But I wonder why Gayle appears here? Gayle is a good batsman but given to mood swings. He can be as destructive as he can be self desctructive. I would not pick Gayle in a WI all time XI. Too lazy and inconsistent. To see off a pace attack such as Aus/Eng in thos days required patience and skill - Haynes and Greenidge had both. Fredericks - atruly amazing batsman. Other than T20 Gayle should not feature elsewhere. But its the bowling line up thats going to be the challenge. Is the JURY ready???

  • POSTED BY emmwill on | June 14, 2010, 4:58 GMT

    Good piece, Tony. I was not a cricket fan during the glory days of Greenidge and Haynes, but I feel they were the best from statistics I have seen. I don't think Hunte and Fredericks were better than them. Gayle is among the best, undoubtedly, but he needs to prove himself some more. I would go with Greenidge and Haynes for now until Gayle's career comes to an end.

  • POSTED BY Rydham on | June 14, 2010, 5:02 GMT

    Difficult choice between Haynes and Hunte as far as statistics is concerned. Greenidge is the obvious choice. Gayle can be left out due to his suitability to ODIs more than Test matches. Since I am not from the era of 60s & 70s, I do not know much about Hunte but yes ... Haynes was one of the legend. OVer to West Indians !!

  • POSTED BY manasvi_lingam on | June 14, 2010, 5:07 GMT

    What the hell is Gayle doing in this list? After 86 matches, which is more than most in the list, he still averages barely over 40 in a time where batting averages have become inflated. The choice for me boils down to between Hunte, Greenidge and Haynes. The last 2 had an excellent understanding which is very important for any opening pair. However I'd go with Greenidge and Hunte.

  • POSTED BY Paki.Fan. on | June 14, 2010, 5:12 GMT

    Greenidge Haynes is among the best opening batsmen in cricket history and I dont think anyone else being selected for this spot.

    7 players for me are automatic selection in this side

    Greenidge,Haynes, Sir Viv, Sir Gary, Holding, Marshall, Dujon

  • POSTED BY AtticusFinch on | June 14, 2010, 5:34 GMT

    Does Lawrence Rowe not deserve a mention in your list? Is he not considered a pure opening batsman or has he been left out for his part in the SA Rebel tour?

  • POSTED BY sherishahmir on | June 14, 2010, 5:42 GMT

    The great WI side of 1970 & 1980 in particular who ruled and devestated the rest of world teams. Hats off to players like Sir V Richards, haynes,G Greeniedge, C Lyold, M Marshal, G Garner, Richie Richardson, C Ambrose, Walsh, G Logie G Sobbers, B Lara, M holding, Colin Craft L Gomes C Hooper and many more.

    All the best to WI with the wish and hope that WI cricket can again provide greats to cricket world as they done in past.