September 24, 2010

Pakistan must join the fight against match-fixing

If players need to be made an example of and kicked out of the game, so be it
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In one part of the world a cricket season ends amidst rancour and relief, neither word welcome to lovers of the game. In another a new season begins amidst hope and expectation but with trust injured. India v Australia should be a cracker and there are enough people who respect sport and cricket on either side. It is a pity that we should even be thinking this way.

Over the last few weeks the word "conspiracy" has infected cricket and many of its followers. We seem to be in the company of the dark and the sinister, and also of the irrational and the volatile, and every day members of the latter tribe fill airwaves and waste newsprint. Pakistan is sadly in the grip of it, with many, including the head of their cricket, convinced there is an international plot to wound, and maybe eliminate, their cricket. Hopefully, lost in the maze, there is a point somewhere there, but there is another too that is staring at them: the cricket world does not benefit from preventing Pakistan from playing; it becomes poorer. It is easy to see.

Pakistan must join the fight against match-fixing - which they so admirably did with the Qayyum Commission - rather than live in denial. Irrespective of where they stand on the ICC rankings, they possess the players to become a major power, and at least for that reason, must join the table rather than walk away from it. Cricket needs self-policing because external authorities can only do so much. Everyone understands that you can never stop fixing, whatever nomenclature it goes by, and that is why each country must take a strong position. And that is why the deterrents must be almost brutal. If the bookie doesn't scare a cricketer the results of dealing with a bookie must.

When the game is in peril it needs strong legislation. For heaven's sake, some cricketers who bent their arms while bowling have been asked to go away till they reform; bent morals should not be difficult to punish

If that means young players have to be made an example of, so be it. Stopping a young player today, denying him his livelihood from the game, could prevent many others from heading down that path. And that is why the ICC must impose significant bans if the home association doesn't in the first place. When the game is in peril it needs strong legislation. For heaven's sake, some cricketers who bent their arms while bowling have been asked to go away till they reform; bent morals should not be difficult to punish. And in any case nobody is going to jail; they could dabble in software, become carpenters, start a business, go into politics... anything. Living life with a second-choice option is still better than many are afforded.

Luckily the Champions League was immune to all the drama. It is an ambitious tournament with its heart in the right place. It is taking time to establish itself, but in recent times only the IPL has got off the ground a winner from day one. For it to be seen as one notch above the IPL, the Champions League needs to get the right teams, and in both years there have been some ordinary entries. Evenly matched teams make for good contests and in the years ahead that should be the first priority. It may also not be a bad idea for the rules to allow non-IPL teams to hire Indian or other overseas players for the Champions League. Sehwag playing for the Victoria Bushrangers is no different from Kallis playing for the Royal Challengers. But the tournament has brought joy to many and in troubled times that is good.

Within a week some of these players will not just be shedding coloured clothes for white ones, they will also be packing away some exotic shots for more orthodox ones. Innings building will again become a priority. Dravid will not look to loft over long-off if he is kept quiet for a couple of overs, and Dhoni will not have to worry about Super Overs. It should be fun as long as we keep conspiracy theories away from it and fixing matches becomes as difficult as fixing taps and roofs at the Commonwealth Games!

Harsha Bhogle is a commentator with the BCCI and a television presenter and writer. His Twitter feed is here

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  • Toescrusher on September 27, 2010, 21:11 GMT

    India never had bent arm problem so what do you know about bent arm issue? Wait till India produces genuine fast bowler then talk about bent arm issue.

  • Snick_To_Backward_Point on September 27, 2010, 11:03 GMT

    Yassar - I agree with you that sport in general faces HUGE issues when it comes to corruption. This is especially so now individuals have access to powerful communications and technology. I also have some sympathy for Pakistan supporters who feel under siege at the moment with all the finger pointing. My understanding with the specifics of the 3 Pakistani test players accused of match fixing are that: a) the film evidence was "time locked" by the News Of The World (i.e. was timestamped irrefutably BEFORE the match happened) 2) The serial numbers of bank notes the NOTW handed over to the 3 players were recorded and police confirmed that these bank notes was found in the players' hotel rooms. To me that it HIGHLY CREDIBLE evidence these guys were weak enough to take bribes and cheat. As a lifelong cricket player and fan, what worries me is the stance Butt has taken and the total SILENCE over how the PCB is progressing investigations. What are they doing RIGHT NOW to restore integrity?

  • Yassar on September 27, 2010, 9:17 GMT

    There is no doubt Pakistan cricket has some serious issues that it needs to deal with. BUT by that account so does world cricket including all the major playing nations. There has been a lot of unfair and unjust reporting in the media surrounding the Pakistani team. I also feel Pakistan has been treated unfairly by the ICC but that is a result of a weak and incompetent Pakistan administration.

  • ZA77 on September 27, 2010, 6:16 GMT

    Pakistani players are still not cleared and Mazhar Majeed got the the clearence and now he is running the director position of English football club. What is going on? Why are not clearing our players even after the clearance of main person in whole story. No video shows any direct link of any player in the match fixing scandal. Only we have to rely on the words of Mazhar Majeed and now he is cleared. Why they are not clearing others. Now all are talking that PCB should take steps. Why they should take step when nothing happened. Ian Botham said PCB should ban. Can I ask him why, only media created story and now you want ban. ECB played no role in whole story to give support to PCB although they know they are 100% innocent. Our players were weeping when they know about it as they are playing with their careers. It looks like that every one want a scape goat in the shape of our players to show they are cleaning system. Why they searched players room wihout proofs.

  • syedahmed91 on September 26, 2010, 19:21 GMT

    Mazhaar majeed cleared, nothing was proven. Allowed to take part in english football team as a executive HAHAHAHAHA WHAT A FREAKING JOKE. mate change the title to "Pakistan must be slaughtered" because that is what your really trying to say here. Again british tabloids prove nothing but how ignorant and racist they are against the pakistani's and all of you *COMEDIANS* take cheap shots at the pakistani's. Why has no-one talked about how unfairly pakistan has been treated as a team? sure criticize the management but the players? no the players have nothing to do with this the players need to be given some sort of a break looking at everything thats been happening to them. Axed from playing ipl, can't play cricket at home, can't go play CHAMPIONS league, can't join "unauthorized" LOL leagues, can't do this, can't do that. How about make an article about what the pakistani's CAN DO to provide for their families or how MUCH more their counter players are making.

  • karabara on September 26, 2010, 19:05 GMT

    HARSHA I HAVE A FEW SIMPLE QUESTIONS AND I HOPE YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS.

    1. CRICKET GAMBLING IS LEGAL IN INDIA ? YES OR NO. 2. ARE THERE ANY CRICKET BOOKIES IN INDIA? YES OR NO 3. IS INDIA THE BIGGEST GAMBLER ON CRICKET? YES OR NO 4. DOES GAMBLING PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN MATCH FIXING? YES OR NO 5. DO YOU THINK THAT THE MATCHES PAKISTAN VS ENGLAND WERE FIX? YES OR NO

  • Toescrusher on September 26, 2010, 17:49 GMT

    "India must join the fight"

  • B-Positive on September 26, 2010, 17:28 GMT

    BIG NEWS for all of u, Pakistani players r still suspended & look whats hapenning here The Main person of the whole scandal Mazhar Majeed got the the clearence to work & run as the director of English football club. They r claiming that nothing has been proved yet so we can't as him to LEAVE. I believe that's what Mr BUTT trying to explain the world. Specially ICC & ECC. I wish they would have more cautious before taking any decision.

  • Thirdman3 on September 26, 2010, 15:44 GMT

    To Indand Eng fans, Can we trust on English media and image of ball tempering by shoiab akhter if you want to concentrate only on one side Pakistan to make issues against them then we hav lot of things to make issues against other side all are visible on TV . Bad sportman spirit by successful captain of England you know why he did not left the field on major deflection because of fear of pakistani bowler and defeat. We saw fear clearly on his face even pakistan is not playing well this is enough to prove Pakistan is strong side and also bad umpiring not refering to TV umpires and if you see matches there were lot of time English bowler were doing ball tempering but cameraman suddenly change the direction of camera but I have got one image of ball tempering by Tim Bresnan ( England bowler ) but I dont know how to post it on here. All these are enough to prove that ICC is the most corrupted and one sided organistaion I have ever seen.. Shame on them lot of mistakes Cricket similar to WWF

  • usman_nile1994 on September 26, 2010, 14:40 GMT

    Well the way Mumbai Indians play (not any other ipl team) i hugely suspect them as match fixers (including Sachin Pollard Bravo all). The reason is that their way of losing seems to be really weird. Their players do not look to play with heart. Dropped catches , batsmen struggling.

  • Toescrusher on September 27, 2010, 21:11 GMT

    India never had bent arm problem so what do you know about bent arm issue? Wait till India produces genuine fast bowler then talk about bent arm issue.

  • Snick_To_Backward_Point on September 27, 2010, 11:03 GMT

    Yassar - I agree with you that sport in general faces HUGE issues when it comes to corruption. This is especially so now individuals have access to powerful communications and technology. I also have some sympathy for Pakistan supporters who feel under siege at the moment with all the finger pointing. My understanding with the specifics of the 3 Pakistani test players accused of match fixing are that: a) the film evidence was "time locked" by the News Of The World (i.e. was timestamped irrefutably BEFORE the match happened) 2) The serial numbers of bank notes the NOTW handed over to the 3 players were recorded and police confirmed that these bank notes was found in the players' hotel rooms. To me that it HIGHLY CREDIBLE evidence these guys were weak enough to take bribes and cheat. As a lifelong cricket player and fan, what worries me is the stance Butt has taken and the total SILENCE over how the PCB is progressing investigations. What are they doing RIGHT NOW to restore integrity?

  • Yassar on September 27, 2010, 9:17 GMT

    There is no doubt Pakistan cricket has some serious issues that it needs to deal with. BUT by that account so does world cricket including all the major playing nations. There has been a lot of unfair and unjust reporting in the media surrounding the Pakistani team. I also feel Pakistan has been treated unfairly by the ICC but that is a result of a weak and incompetent Pakistan administration.

  • ZA77 on September 27, 2010, 6:16 GMT

    Pakistani players are still not cleared and Mazhar Majeed got the the clearence and now he is running the director position of English football club. What is going on? Why are not clearing our players even after the clearance of main person in whole story. No video shows any direct link of any player in the match fixing scandal. Only we have to rely on the words of Mazhar Majeed and now he is cleared. Why they are not clearing others. Now all are talking that PCB should take steps. Why they should take step when nothing happened. Ian Botham said PCB should ban. Can I ask him why, only media created story and now you want ban. ECB played no role in whole story to give support to PCB although they know they are 100% innocent. Our players were weeping when they know about it as they are playing with their careers. It looks like that every one want a scape goat in the shape of our players to show they are cleaning system. Why they searched players room wihout proofs.

  • syedahmed91 on September 26, 2010, 19:21 GMT

    Mazhaar majeed cleared, nothing was proven. Allowed to take part in english football team as a executive HAHAHAHAHA WHAT A FREAKING JOKE. mate change the title to "Pakistan must be slaughtered" because that is what your really trying to say here. Again british tabloids prove nothing but how ignorant and racist they are against the pakistani's and all of you *COMEDIANS* take cheap shots at the pakistani's. Why has no-one talked about how unfairly pakistan has been treated as a team? sure criticize the management but the players? no the players have nothing to do with this the players need to be given some sort of a break looking at everything thats been happening to them. Axed from playing ipl, can't play cricket at home, can't go play CHAMPIONS league, can't join "unauthorized" LOL leagues, can't do this, can't do that. How about make an article about what the pakistani's CAN DO to provide for their families or how MUCH more their counter players are making.

  • karabara on September 26, 2010, 19:05 GMT

    HARSHA I HAVE A FEW SIMPLE QUESTIONS AND I HOPE YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS.

    1. CRICKET GAMBLING IS LEGAL IN INDIA ? YES OR NO. 2. ARE THERE ANY CRICKET BOOKIES IN INDIA? YES OR NO 3. IS INDIA THE BIGGEST GAMBLER ON CRICKET? YES OR NO 4. DOES GAMBLING PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN MATCH FIXING? YES OR NO 5. DO YOU THINK THAT THE MATCHES PAKISTAN VS ENGLAND WERE FIX? YES OR NO

  • Toescrusher on September 26, 2010, 17:49 GMT

    "India must join the fight"

  • B-Positive on September 26, 2010, 17:28 GMT

    BIG NEWS for all of u, Pakistani players r still suspended & look whats hapenning here The Main person of the whole scandal Mazhar Majeed got the the clearence to work & run as the director of English football club. They r claiming that nothing has been proved yet so we can't as him to LEAVE. I believe that's what Mr BUTT trying to explain the world. Specially ICC & ECC. I wish they would have more cautious before taking any decision.

  • Thirdman3 on September 26, 2010, 15:44 GMT

    To Indand Eng fans, Can we trust on English media and image of ball tempering by shoiab akhter if you want to concentrate only on one side Pakistan to make issues against them then we hav lot of things to make issues against other side all are visible on TV . Bad sportman spirit by successful captain of England you know why he did not left the field on major deflection because of fear of pakistani bowler and defeat. We saw fear clearly on his face even pakistan is not playing well this is enough to prove Pakistan is strong side and also bad umpiring not refering to TV umpires and if you see matches there were lot of time English bowler were doing ball tempering but cameraman suddenly change the direction of camera but I have got one image of ball tempering by Tim Bresnan ( England bowler ) but I dont know how to post it on here. All these are enough to prove that ICC is the most corrupted and one sided organistaion I have ever seen.. Shame on them lot of mistakes Cricket similar to WWF

  • usman_nile1994 on September 26, 2010, 14:40 GMT

    Well the way Mumbai Indians play (not any other ipl team) i hugely suspect them as match fixers (including Sachin Pollard Bravo all). The reason is that their way of losing seems to be really weird. Their players do not look to play with heart. Dropped catches , batsmen struggling.

  • voyager on September 26, 2010, 13:11 GMT

    Watch Rashid Latif's 1hr interview on latest scandal and events from the past on youtube. Search "Rashid Latif in do tok". If you understand Urdu/Hindi that is.

  • heavenspeace on September 26, 2010, 10:53 GMT

    ICC should just close the anti coruption unit,becz they are only have a believe on the fake reports of british newspapers..i dnt know wat ICC is doing,this is clear that they are biased

  • Legionnaire on September 26, 2010, 10:43 GMT

    Pakistan went Sharjah - problem of match fixing, they went to Australia - problem of match fixing, they went to England who did a favor on their cricket - problem of match fixing. World's sentiment is against them, rather than blaming India, Pakistan should set their house in order, else get prepared to be isolated.

  • Maq80 on September 26, 2010, 9:48 GMT

    The Article is a good attempt to eradicate fixing, but a fair balance is indeed required. Here is a link to Times of India news where 29 players are found guilty of spot fixing in IPL...

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/iplarticleshow/6540482.cms

    I believe, as a cricket lover, that a balance should be found when pointing fingers. ICC knows the strength of BCCI and the amount of investment they bring in the cricket world so will think thrice before laying there hands there. Also, ICC's actions sense of bit of hypocrisy when it comes to Asians. Why was PCB not informed before telecasting a news ? Why were players suspended when not even proven guilty ? PCB only finds out the actions of ICC through media ?

    Before eradicating fixing hypocritic indulgence should be eradicated.

    Lastly, it should be well noted, that Pak Fans are against fixing. They will be the first ones to burn the ones found guilty of charge, guilty of treason with the cricket loving souls of Pak countrymen.

  • ampshare on September 26, 2010, 9:05 GMT

    @Naveed Khan . Well said sir. I agree with you that it's the illegal betting that causes the problem. Why the Pakistani's are targeted is because they earn much less than they should compared to other cricketers.

  • theabstentious150 on September 26, 2010, 6:15 GMT

    Harsha I liked you as many others. But this article seems biased. Pak cricket has been targeted. BCCI has been trying to put its weight to keep Pak away from Int'l Cricket.And can you justify why Sachin sent Harbhajan and Tiwary ahead of Pollard in IPL3 final, when the Mumbai side needed 12 per over(thanks to a sluggish innings from Sachin,even when they hadnt lost too many wickets). I am sure you arent going to publish that

  • sibhas on September 26, 2010, 3:36 GMT

    Harsha was not advising Pakistan on how to run her Internal affairs. If that were the case Harsha should not have been doing so. He is associated with Cricket in India and not the Commonwealth games.Hence criticising Harsha abt the state of affairs in India and conduct of CWG is stupidity.Being a cricket fan everybody is pained. Dont call it a conspiracy.Warne was banned for two years for his drug abuse. @voyager PCB is neither firm nor discreet. I am not giving the notw report any credibility. but this should be nipped in the bud.

  • Legionnaire on September 25, 2010, 21:25 GMT

    Pakistani cricket is good but its not great. You see the records of the last 10 years they haven't achieved anything in test or ODIs. The only notable achievement for them is T20. So do not give too much self importance.

  • kalyanbk on September 25, 2010, 20:47 GMT

    Harsha, You wouldn't be asking Pakistan to do more in the ICC led global war against corruption, now would you?

  • adnant202009champs on September 25, 2010, 20:21 GMT

    cricket is bcoz of pakistan.pakistan can do what others cant.check the records.no other country produces youngsters like pakistan.pakistanis dont wanna play ipl and are reaching wt20 semis. what the hell indians are doing in wt20 by playing ipl.indian cricket is making all of his nation fool.people play ipl and earn money.and indian players are losing fame.

  • M_H_K on September 25, 2010, 20:09 GMT

    Harsha , You should save your energies for BCCI. Pakistan is co-operating fully with the investigation process and PCB has already made it clear that if anyone found guilty will be dealt accordingly. Ask BCCI to look at their home and try to clear the fixing in IPL.

  • khurramsch on September 25, 2010, 18:29 GMT

    @sr1ram: 1st i am not going to coment much on this article as i am of the simple view "IF FOUND GUILTY BAN FOR LIFE, nothing else" but the thing which made me comment is pakistan unpredictable 20-20 cup? well is it pakistan which won by chance or there is 1 other team which won 1st t-20 & couldnt even reach in semis in next 2 world t20. whereas Pakistan lost in final (which is no doubt a gr8 game of cricket from both teams) & then they won 2nd time in final & in semis 3rd time

    So simple which won by chance?

  • Vilander on September 25, 2010, 18:10 GMT

    WHY 3 INDIAN TEAMS IN CL:

    @ PAK Fans Cause india says so!, if we want we will have 4 and then have 2 each from AUS, ENG and SA, and 1 each from WI,SL,NZ and BD and have fun. Pak team might never play in CL. Pak player might never play in india after WC. India is richer and higer ranked than pak in cricket on and off the ground. Live with all that

    @ Other country Fans

    3 IPL team ammount to less than 21 actual indian players thats less than 2 playing 11's + few other internationals that AUS,SA and ENG get to play in with. So its all even given the fact that generous india is sharing all the spoils with all you guys. We grow the game in your country too, show some respect atleast if not the goodwill that "black smelly 2nd world.. like their money though " india deserves.

  • Vilander on September 25, 2010, 17:53 GMT

    Many Paku posters in this article are crap. Mohd.Siddique says 'The only solution is to ban cricket broadcast in India and the betting will go away', this is how pathetic some Pokistuani fans are. They seem to blame india for all their problems, they try to denegrate india some how, they dont try to get better but live to undermine india..wonder why.. It almost feel sad to see them live in denial.

    Mohd.Siddique if they stop braodcast of cricket in india, cricket wont be a world game.And do please stop your dreams indian cricket will go up further because of the roboust market it has..hehe cant say the same for pkistun sadly

  • on September 25, 2010, 16:55 GMT

    Harsha, Pakistan has already played his role few years back, you might have forgotten. We banned Salim Malik & Ata-ur-Rehman for the whole life. then few others were also punished. and we will do the same if they found guilty. I am just surprised, why indian & british media is so active this time against Pakistani cricketers. why don't they see world's most controversial IPL series. why don't they investigate. why don't YOU write an article on what is going on in IPL. every other match is facing match or spot fixing. Indian bookies are doing everything to survive. Why don't you gather facts and write on this. they are the actual reason to disgrace cricketers of the world, including indian cricketers.

  • Gully_Fielder on September 25, 2010, 15:01 GMT

    Forget Pak worries Harsha, go and sort out CWG problems......and yeah keep an eye on the roof!

  • voyager on September 25, 2010, 14:58 GMT

    ishan.pec., Speaking for myself I am not defending any thing that is wrong. It is the lecturing and blaming everything pakistan as whole and hollier than thou attitude that will draw the kind of reaction that you see here on this board. It is others who don't acknowledge their faults I have yet to see an Australian acknowledging that Warne and Waugh were criminals with bookies...

    If I could, my personal advice to PCB is to be firm but be discreet.

  • Jhammatian on September 25, 2010, 12:02 GMT

    @sri1ram Pakistan is not unpredictable in t20 world cup as Pakistan has 1st ranking from last two years and Pakistan is the only which played the semis of all edition and from which , Pakistan played two finals ....

    So, Pakistan is no.1 team in t20 and not unpredictable.

  • Vishal_madison on September 25, 2010, 11:41 GMT

    These discussions are never ending. Let the investigation finish and ban all 3 for life if found guilty.

  • Bilal_Choudry on September 25, 2010, 11:40 GMT

    @sri1ram mate you trust the rating too much ... the ratings are based on home and away record .. and since pakistan is playing the home matches abroad all the concept goes out of the window .. as for the overall record pakistan is placed well above the indians in win loss ratios across all formats .. enuff said

  • ZA77 on September 25, 2010, 11:09 GMT

    Harsha why you write this article. What is your purpose to write it, why PCB should join the fight against match fixing. Why you want to clean the system. If you have a courage please go and clean it in India first in which you can find thousand and thousand bookies. Why you are not taking action against them as I think you see position of PCB and start writing an article. I do not think your intention is to make PCB strong or your intention is something else. When Cronje found guilty, all bookies belongs to India. How much efforts you put to make system clean at that time instead of trying to make PCB easy victim now. Lillee and Thomson probable inverter of match fixing, what happened to them. Nothing and then Warne and Waugh, both involved in match fixing and they only said we gave only information, how we know the exact crime activities without proper investigations. No life ban is there, it means double standard is present as main focus is only to ban players of Pakistan only.

  • rakonline on September 25, 2010, 11:08 GMT

    Harsha Bhogle before this spo-fixing incident always sounded like an impartial kind of cricket commentator, but just as this incident took place, the man started to show his true colors. Didn't let go of any opportunity to say one thing or another against Pakistan Cricket. I am not a fan of Wajid Shamsul-Hassan or Mr. Butt, but it really gets me irritated when Bhogle completely rules out the possibility of someone conspiring against our cricket. In my previous comment I wrote the people I see who are conspiring against our Cricket are the ones in PCB, Mr. Butt to top all the names. But quite Frankly, Mr. Bhogle needs to open up his mind and understand that this possibility can't be ruled out. If the world is so eager to see Pakistani players, then why were they not allowed in IPL this year? Dude, for a blogger or cricket commentator, the first thing you need is some common sense, acting like an innocent kid won't get you anywhere, so don't talk about stuff you don't know about!

  • khicoach on September 25, 2010, 9:44 GMT

    Are the Pakistanis guilty of spot fixing? maybe. Are they the only ones who are involved? MOST probably not. Does that justify what the Pakistani players are doing? NO. You want us to solve the problems of spot fixing etc, make it a more inclusive world. Stop making cricket India-centric. As long as India remains the Mecca of cricket, the political realities of South Asia will never allow Pakistan to become a potent cricketing force. We, the Pakistanis, believe that while India gets concessions from the world (like fantastic nuclear power plants from the US), Pakistan is treated shabbily. Your reply would be that "the world cannot trust Pakistan". To that i say the world can hardly hold a candle to us. There are no angels, only some who are more equal than others. In cricket, you CANNOT keep Pakistan players out of the biggest cricket bonanzas in the world, and expect them to not turn to other avenues. Again, it is not justified - but the world has hardly been fair to our boys.

  • sri1ram on September 25, 2010, 8:37 GMT

    hehhhh.. @sharpshooter, Pakistan are "giant-killers"? Only example has been the unpredictable 20-20 world cup where Pak and most subcontinental teams thrive (or used to thrive - given England and Ozzie dominance the last time). With inspired moments Pakistan have performed sporadically well in different formats, but does that really make them giant-killers? Their ratings says it all - consistency has been sorely lacking for over a decade. And sharpshooter, Pakistan does not need conspiracies to get it down and out - the PCB alone is enough. Hmmmm, and money from the enemy bookies is so sweet that it looks like Pakistani players just cannot keep their hands off.

  • reality_check on September 25, 2010, 8:29 GMT

    Once again this whole thread has boiled down to mud slinging between Indian and Pak fans. This generally happens whenever there is a thread criticising Pak cricket and Indian fans take it upon themselves as their moral duty to rub it into Pak fans. Naturally Pak fans reply in the same manner. SO PLEASE ONCE AND FOR ALL... NO PAK FAN IS DEFENDING ANY PLAYER FOUND GUILTY OF FIXING... WE WANT CHARGES TO BE PROVEN FIRST THEN BAN THEM FOR LIFE NO QUESTIONS ASKED PLUS ICC SHOULD BE FAIR IN HANDING DOWN THE PUNISHMENT IN ALL CASES AND NOT JUST WHEN IT IS PAK. IJAZ BUTT NEEDS TO LEARN DIPLOMATIC SKILLS AND SHOULD BE FIRED IMMEDIATELY. ALL PAK FANS WANT TO SEE THEIR TEAM PLAY ON MERIT AND SKILLS AND THEN WIN OR LOOSE. ALL PAK FANS WANT TO ERADICATE CORRUPTION FROM CRICKET ACROSS THE BOARD, BE IT PCB or BCCI, ECB, SA OR WHATEVER... THIS SHOULD NOT BE LIMITED TO PAK AND INDIA SHOULD CLEAN UP THE BOOKIES IN THEIR BACKYARD. NOW WHICH PART OF THIS IS NOT CLEAR?

  • Bilal_Choudry on September 25, 2010, 8:24 GMT

    @deepakjm the only cricketers i have seen crying are Kapil Dev when he was accused of fixing by parbhakar and srisanth when he was slapped by harbajan .... and yeah kapil cries like a girl

  • deepakjm on September 25, 2010, 7:26 GMT

    All the comments made by pakistan supporters indicates why PCB and pakistan cricket team going through this crisis. Instead of finding the guilty and punishing them they are busy criticizing India for it. All you can do nothing but cry and cry again.

  • ya_basta on September 25, 2010, 7:05 GMT

    @ Abid, I dont understand why you are frothing so much at Harsha. I am no fan of his, but he has made a fair and genuine point. If a part of your body turns gangrenous, you make every effort to cut it out and not abuse the doctor who has identified it so. That Pakistani cricket is in its deepest moment of crisis is clear as daylight. Why is it so hard for you to accept what Harsha is saying then? Osman is supposed to write about Pakistani cricket yes, but surely he is not the only one for whom the royal decree was issued.

  • ishan.pec on September 25, 2010, 6:09 GMT

    Abid Rehman and Voyager.....Dudes, go get a perspective. Patriotism is not defending all that is wrong, it is the courage to stand up and acknowledge it

  • w1ldc4t on September 25, 2010, 5:21 GMT

    dude BHOGLE ! its SPOT FIXING ...not MATCH FIXING and i'm pretty sure India has got something to do with Mr.Majid

    I'm a Srilankan BTW

  • on September 25, 2010, 4:59 GMT

    Vuvuzela of cricketing world=Harsha Who let you write abt Pakistan cricket when you know nothing abt it.Osman Samiudin is supposed to that.And watching cricket makes you an expert of the game or commentator?..Did Harsha ever played cricket ?..NO...So plz send him back to same hockey matches that he used to commentate in Malaysia...Thats where he belongs.And kindly dont waste our time by posting Harsha's articles Cricinfo..PLZZZZZ..You have so many good people in India.He just dosent have any thing new to say...

  • on September 25, 2010, 4:56 GMT

    Yousuf gets life time ban and the ban is reverted within few months. Yousuf retires for nth time and he comes out of retirement for nth time. Shoaib Malik is banned for a year and he comes out of the ban within few months. Malik,Afridir, Naved,Akmal brothers are all fined and no reason is given whatsoever for fining them. LOL. Waqar was fined for match fixing and LOL he is the coach of Pak cricket. Pak cricket board is ridiculous. And Harsha has only said that match fixers need to be banned. He never pointed that Butt,Asif and Aamir need to be banned, so why the heck are the Pak supporters saying they are not guilty. Please understand this article and don't throw fire balls.

  • ZA77 on September 25, 2010, 4:46 GMT

    Why some are creating distrubance for Pak like Alex is saying that PCB should banned for 5 years. Can I ask why, even he is not saying to ban players but whole PCB. Without any proof, without any charges, just creating disturbance by British media and now these guys are talking about life ban. When Warne and Waugh accepted for links with bookies, at that time should ICC banned ACB or not. My answer is no so why you are talking for banning PCB. I think it is double standard as there is no ban on both players and now every one is talking about cleaning of system. PCB should grow up, what about ECB. How many time you win Aussies since 2000. Who is responsible for winning. Why Mr. Alex is not talking about to mature themselves instead of talking about us. England never win world cup it means something is lacking in your system. Pakistan won more than 20 titles in one day cricket which is thrice or four times more than England so I think we do not need your advice.

  • Toescrusher on September 25, 2010, 4:35 GMT

    Harsha, in cricket you are just a new kid on the block. When stalwart of cricket like Imran Khan has already said "Player found guilty should be ban" then what's the point left to write the article with the title "Pakistan must join the fight against match-fixing" or is it just that you want to compete with Imran? If so which of his areas of qualities would you like to compete with? Second do you think you could have said the same thing about India when Kapil Dave & Indian Co who according Rashid Latif "King of Match Fixing" was involved if you could please talk about them with the title "India must join fight against match-fixing" only then you are unbiased. I am sure you would write many articles in the future but please understand the sixty years of relations between India and Pakistan; in Pakistan we are fan of Indian movies not Indian journalism, acting like western journalist doesn't suit India yet.

  • ahassan on September 25, 2010, 4:26 GMT

    Wrongdoers should be banned for life and it goes for every sportsman of every country. It should not be limited to cricket only. Recently I read an article by Mr. Ian Chappell giving some advice on this matter and now it is the turn of Mr. Harsha Bhogle. Everybody knows that Lillee ans Marsh started it all. They put a bet against their own team and Australia went on to lose the match afer taking a 227 runs first innings lead. They probably underperformed. Shane Warne and Mark Waugh took money from bookmakers to give them some information about a match. Where was Ian Chappell then? It a hot news that India bribed 72 countries to get CWGames. Should India be banned from all spoting activities forever. What does Mr. Bhogle say about it. It is my advise to them that they should not limit their comments to Pakistan only.

  • on September 25, 2010, 4:20 GMT

    Mr. Bogle, Where is the match fixing originating from? Do you know even one single incident where the fixers were not from India? from Hansie Cronje's case to latest so called Majeed Mazhar allegations its always fixers in India paying handsome amounts to players. I think the first step is Indian government and board taking some concrete steps to stop this cancer of cricket. The biggest joke of the century is IPL being clean of match and spot fixing. The only solution is to ban cricket broadcast in India and the betting will go away.

  • on September 25, 2010, 4:09 GMT

    India and England are battling it out for the "Gambling" Money. England, Australia, New Zealand has well regulated Gambling Industry, which brings in Billions to the Governments of these countries via gambling. India is the largest Gambling Industry in the world, totally illegal and unregulated. All Spot Fixing, Match Fixing is done to manipulate the unregulated Gambling Industry of India. That is why there will be no proof against Butt, Asif and Aamer. Unless Indian corruption and Gambling is controlled there will be no end to all the "Fixings" in the game. Problem is India's Corruption and Gambling.

  • voyager on September 25, 2010, 3:07 GMT

    ram2535, If any thing pakistan for all its faults and mismanagement is actually too harsh on players and they did so publically, one of the reason pakistan and pakistanis are getting lectures from everyone including you. For example Salim Malik was really banned I mean he is never seen again compare to that Azhar and Jadega have very active public life. Australia never took any harsh action against their players they hide it from everyone. India made SA to cancel a official test match just b/c refree punished SRT for ball tempering.

  • voyager on September 25, 2010, 2:56 GMT

    Mr Bogle, It would be best if you keep your comments to India only or at the very least make no mention of Pakistan in your articles (positive or negetive). I am sure you don't like people hollier than thou attitude neither would people like your's sweet coated jibes. If you must you should ask banning of Lillee & Marsh the first ones to have conflict of interest in the test match they should have won, you should ask banning of Waugh and Warne to be proven involvement with the bookies corruption is curruption... its not too late these players from the past and present (from innocent IPL...LOL) can be banned symbolically now and their records expunged from the books -- why not? that would send the strongest signal. You should ask that warne should been made example when he took drugs (why did his mother gave him that pill again?) You should ask why an official test match was cancelled b/c SRT was given the punishment of ball tempering? and no one made a big deal about it?

  • smalishah84 on September 25, 2010, 1:51 GMT

    @jokerbala.....I agree with your views........Salman Butt never once denied that he was not involved.........that interview of him, at least for me, was more damning than the video itself. And coming from Pakistan myself I don't really quite understand why Pakistanis are making such a fuss over the investigations against our cricketers. They were caught in quite a DAMNING video. And if they are clean then they should have nothing to fear. The guilty should be banned for life. Period........I also think that there is a high tolerance for corruption in our country now.....something that should not be happening........and this seems to be reflective in our negative mindset in this spot fixing controversy.

  • ram2535 on September 25, 2010, 1:03 GMT

    @khicoach - valid points, but there is other side to this argument. If you make mistake first time, you are very likely to get lesser punishment in most countries. A repeat offender is dealt with more seriously to deter him from further crime. Same is the situation with Pak cricket. If for instance, someone from NZ or BAN is caught doing a crime, there will not be so much noise because their country boards are given chance to clean it internally.

    Even with India, there has been multiple instances in the past. Every time, India board has taken strong action (if there is evidence) so that international intervention is not required. So far, this has not happened with Pak. We see many case of different players committing some or other crime - and national board is toothless to act against them. (So many instances - Aus tour, ball tampering, drugs, misbehavior etc.) I can't recollect ONE case of neutral punishment by Pak board (other than for political reasons). How to trust Pak. board?

  • Sepathie on September 25, 2010, 0:56 GMT

    MMMmmmmmm seems like all the players from subcontinent are match fixers. (The picture shown in this article prompt me to write this blog. Look like they are trying to target Sri Lankan players this time.) This is exactly what western countries need. For the past one and half decades only Australia have stood above Asian cricketing nations. But now they are slipping away too. So they were trying todo something to disregard the amazing achievements gained by these countries. So Harsha don't be a part of this strategy. Raise your voice to arrest these book makers who are mainly from western countries. But I know some players are corrupt and greedy. But they are not only from subcontinent.

  • ram2535 on September 25, 2010, 0:54 GMT

    Continuing my earlier comment, entire concept of punishment in Pak cricket has become a mockery. Either don't punish at first place and change the policy to "pardon" all mistakes, or if you give a punishment - stand by it. Recalling all punished players give a clear wrong signal to intentional criminals.

    @biasopinion - Simply can't understand your logic. What do you want to say? That India has its own share of criminals - YES, that is true! And, anyone caught has been properly punished. See all the examples you gave. There will be more who are not caught so far. But the biggest difference is - even IF there is a strong evidence, why is Pak board reluctant to punish the criminals?

    I don't buy the theory that this is an international conspiracy to bury Pak's talent. As someone pointed out, this should have been done to Australia several times. They are much more stronger than Pak team.

    Pak supporters - Don't be an ostrich to bury yourself in the sand and refuse to address the problem.

  • ram2535 on September 25, 2010, 0:45 GMT

    This is my first post in Cricinfo board though I am a long term reader of this site. Match-fixing is such a sensitive issue that I felt compelled to register myself to write this comment. Coming to my comments...

    @sharprider - Read the last line of your comment once again, and I hope you can easily pick up the contradiction there. Just because Pak is so unpredictable AND that govt. cannot assure 100% safety to visiting teams - no other country wants to play cricket in Pak. Why then do you think shifting world cup is unacceptable?

    @Naeem Khan - Well balanced (neutral) comments, appreciated! I echo same thoughts. I am not biased against Pak, but if someone is genuinely guilty, they MUST be punished. We are tired of Pak cricket board attitude of pushing someone and soon after overriding everything and recalling to the team. Unless this is stopped, every guilty will feel that he can get away with his mistakes. Are there no other talent in Pak other than Yousuf (to be recalled after ban?)

  • cricpolitics on September 25, 2010, 0:36 GMT

    I just can't believe how Indians are still so obsessed with Pakistan. India claims to be the shining country of the world but their narrow minded mentality is all obvious here. I think Indians need to stop worrying about Pakistan cricket and should pay attention on the COMMON WEALTH GAME's mess they have created in their backyard. The whole world knows how Indians bribed some contries to buy the votes. Folks, the truth is India has not only corrupted cricket it has corrupted the COMMON WEALTH GAMES as well. The more Indians get involved in world affairs the more corruption you should expect. Just look at the truth here: http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/news/337392,hits-delhis-commonwealth-games.html

    Need more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/news/7931191/Commonwealth-Games-committees-corruption-allegations-hit-Olympic-bid.html

    INDIA IS REALLY SHINING, ISN'T IT?

  • rakonline on September 24, 2010, 23:53 GMT

    You guys remember that in the tv series 24, whenever Jack Bauer tried to go deeper in a situation, he always found out that eventually it's his own people who are involved in the terrorist attacks being plotted. Just like that, I won't rule out the possibility of anyone conspiring against Pakistan cricket, but if we even don't go deeper, and check how things look like on surface, We feel it's Ijaz Butt himself who is conspiring against Pakistan Cricket. The man has been acting like an enemy of our cricket since the day he arrived. Responsible for mercilessly ending career of our batting legend Younos Khan, now he is putting our cricket in the most difficult situation it has ever been brought to. But who will remove him? The only person who can is probably the most corrupt person in the world, Mr. Zardari can't remove his crime partner!

  • sharprider on September 24, 2010, 23:23 GMT

    Another counter-reply goes like this. The reason teams are afraid of Pakistan is because of the very fact that a team has become GIANT-KILLERS, and not a Giant itself. The very fact that (without the 'match-fixing') PAKISTAN could become a GIANT, is self-explanatory because a Giant cannot become a Giant-killer.....right? Now, once a team achieves that status, it becomes the envy of all the other teams. However, there is a big difference where Pakistan is concerned. The essence of the matter is that Pakistan is being targeted and singled out for the purpose of denting its dash towards another title despite all its shortcomings and internal issues. This started with its hosting rights being withdrawn, thereby disallowing the home advantage in some of its matches. Now, it has come down to its players, who are being lambasted just so that they are demoralised and all the good work done in developing a world class team is dissipated and the preparations for the WC are derailed.

  • rakonline on September 24, 2010, 23:22 GMT

    You guys remember that in the tv series 24, whenever Jack Bauer tried to go deeper in a situation, he always found out that eventually it's his own people who are involved in the terrorist attacks being plotted. Just like that, I won't rule out the possibility of anyone conspiring against Pakistan cricket, but if we even don't go deeper, and check how things look like on surface, We feel it's Ijaz Butt himself who is conspiring against Pakistan Cricket. The man has been acting like an enemy of our cricket since the day he arrived. Responsible for mercilessly ending career of our batting legend Younos Khan, now he is putting our cricket in the most difficult situation it has ever been brought to. But who will remove him? The only person who can is probably the most corrupt person in the world, Mr. Zardari can't remove his crime partner!

  • sharprider on September 24, 2010, 22:58 GMT

    Despite being averse to arguing and counter-arguing on sensitive subjects, I am nevertheless willing to get dragged into this debate about the World Cup hosting issue only because it has never been forcefully pursued by any genuine cricket fan in the past. The primary pretext for stripping Pakistan of its hosting rights is ostensibly the Lahore incident of March last year. However, there seems to be an oversight on the part of the proponents of this move. Not getting into the politics of this, I am a firm believer that "ALL IS (NOT) WELL" as far as the prospects of the sub-continental countries hosting this prestigious tournament is concerned. Examples of forfeiting matches by foreign countries in the last WC hosted in the sub-continent due to unrest in some parts of the region speak volumes about the situation there. So, finger-pointing at Pakistan's lapses is unacceptable because everyone knows that terrorism is unpredictable and nobody can provide 100% fool-proof guarantee here.

  • on September 24, 2010, 22:39 GMT

    As a Pakisatni, I value Harshe's advise to the Pakistan cricket Board and he is absolutely right- we must join the fight against betting in Cricket. I do not know if Pakistani players were really involved and I ope the real truth will come out after the investigations. However, in the meantime, let us make it very clear that Pakistanis will not tolerate any such nonsense no matter where it occurs and who is involved. If Pakistani players were involved, then let us amke sure that we are ready to crucify the guilty. If they are innocent they must be supported by the Board for making a case ofr defamation agianst the tabloid.No body should be allowed to that as well as it can ruin a persons career along with his mental health.

  • biasopinion on September 24, 2010, 22:38 GMT

    This is what I call a bias and unjustified and no help article from an Indian journalist...You provide no solution but bang on the IPL, where Mr. Modi has been kicked out due to allegation of funds mishandling. Please talk about Azhar Uddin, a great Indian captain who was accused of match fixing. India is the most notorious country for bribes...dont you agree? Help cricket and have some resolve, instead of beating up players or country...got any solutions? put them up, be a leader and not a follower or self interest.

  • khicoach on September 24, 2010, 22:04 GMT

    Harsha, while you are right that the world of cricket will be poorer without Pakistan, why is it that not a single player is playing in the Champions League? I am not a subscriber to conspiracy theories, but it is no secret that the Pakistanis are considered the bad boys of cricket, and not fondly. Not a single team has been accused of so many wrong doings as Pakistan. Moreover, for some odd reason, other players who commit offenses against Pakistanis always seem to get off lightly (Stuart Broad throwing the ball at Zulqarnain during the second test, and getting away with a petty fine was case in point) . It is evident that the book is thrown harder at the Pakistanis whenever they are caught breaking the rules.

    And imagine a family that has 8 members. Of the 8, seven members are always invited to an annual party (the IPL/champions league) where they have a bonanza raking in millions of dollars, while one is habitually and shamefully left out. Would YOU like being that 8th person?

  • Vedahametham on September 24, 2010, 21:26 GMT

    If a player can play for another team as in IPL then why talk about country and pride and all that. Make the sport like the european Football and let there be only clubs. For earning money you want the sticker of the country and then talk about clubs etc. Isn't the spot fixing has its roots in the IPL? Did you fix the last year IPL fiasco? No body is a puritan here including the officials and all stakeholders in this game. Let the country representation be only in world cup and Olympics. In US the base ball, US foot ball is played like a industry. These cricketers want the cake and eat it too.

  • Farazqadri on September 24, 2010, 20:48 GMT

    "Luckily the Champions League was immune to all the drama" . wow in the land of bookies with teams that belong to the king of bookies , and we have the very biased harsha bogle calling them so innocent and immune.. wow :)

  • on September 24, 2010, 20:32 GMT

    @sharprider...if not for matchfixing, Pak could be a giant instead of a giant killer. And if your theory were true, everybody would have been conspiring against Aus during their run from the late 90s. Or do you think people dont mind the Aussies beating them as compared to Pak beating them. What more proof do people want about bowlers bowling no balls on demand? If a bookie had a giant electronic billboard in the ground and told the players what to do, they would still not accept it. As to bookies being brought to heel by India, how else do you think Cronje, Azhar etc were caught?

  • McGorium on September 24, 2010, 20:24 GMT

    @DrDonaLolo: Your personal beliefs are very entertaining. You must give yourself hours of pleasure dreaming up such imaginative scenarios. India wins because of its batting, which any neutral observer will attest, is the best in the business. ODI games are won by the batsmen on most occasions; you just need decent bowlers to not leak too many runs after that. India's test rankings are also a result of the fact that other teams bowling has been less than spectacular, and that there isn't any all-round strong test side in cricket at the moment. India happens to be #1 by default. The question you need to ask yourself is, what does a bookie stand to gain by having INdia win every time? A bookie stands to win when he bets against the scenario that everyone else thinks will happen. India having a consistent record would mean that the returns on fixing a match in India's favour are diminishing each time. Nobody would bet against India in a home game, so why would a bookie pay to help Ind win?

  • A.Rao on September 24, 2010, 20:15 GMT

    Guys, if we are serious about eradicating this menace then lets be serious, with Worldcup coming to Sub Continenet, the image for India, Srilanka, and Bangladesh is equally at stake and with current fiasco of CWG games, and Asian bloc ensuring Howard didnt replace Malcom speed there are many who will be ready to pounce on opportunity. So lets be real and reword the article that ICC and World Cricket needs to get serious about the problem solving not only Pakistan. For those who play circket, Srilankan scoring patterns in first and second bowling Power play dont they raise eyebrows? On 19th Sep (did anyone see Chennai Super Kings losing the IPL match by giving the super over to a little know spinner with Bollinger in the team ( the guy got hit for 23 in that super over)......it's everywhere ... just which fish u wana target... and when.....So please harsha and Cricinfo let us give a clear message to ICC, we ppl who love the sport want a clean sport everywhere not only in PAKISTAN

  • McGorium on September 24, 2010, 20:11 GMT

    @sharprider: A few facts: Betting is not illegal in many countries. It is illegal in India, but it's not something the ICC/BCCI can fix or influence; it's something for law enforcement to deal with. The ICC and other boards can only enforce what is in their control, which is to ensure that corrupt players get kicked out. Also, understand that matches cannot be fixed without corrupt players. While the person offering the bribe is at fault, it's a far greater fault to accept it. Blaming Bombay's betting circles is convenient, but ultimately beside the point. Corruption fundamentally happens because people fail to have the moral rectitude to put their job/country above personal profit. Not because someone is willing to take advantage of this moral weakness for their gain. Now as far as the WC goes, why would any team want to tour Pak after the SRL team got shot? SRL did Pak a favour by touring, and Pak authorities didn't return the it by providing adequate security.Whose fault is that?

  • cricdick on September 24, 2010, 20:04 GMT

    Why we Pakistanis are so much intolerent to criticism. Harsh has a point and he makes it quite lightly fearing our reaction, rightly so reading the comments. By harsh comments we simply prove what the world says about us. We are not the masters of universe. We have lambasted,condemned,rediculed and even threatened others especially Indians. If you see most hateful comments are started by Pakistanis and then others reply us in kind and mudslinger is on. Better we accept that our players are unruly , arrogant and quarrelsome, though agreed that they are superb cricketers and among the very best in the world. But what we are talking about is sportman spirit which is lacking. Indians have condemned and punished their own cricketers. If you see past 2-3 decades, Indians have praised our cricketers more than we did theirs. Our actors,comedians and musicians prefer to work and make money there inspite of our hateful reservations. I hope this message will be taken in true spirit.Inshallah!

  • cornertigers on September 24, 2010, 19:32 GMT

    BKRAKS21, why you guys forget that your sachen was caught red handed ball tampering why dont you talk about that. How can your mr terbinator gets away with slapping pour srisanth in front of the whole world why didnt you mention here your master's bowler called STUART BROAD tampering match ball with his spikes in south africa? but you wouldn't upset your aakas.

  • VivaVizag on September 24, 2010, 19:28 GMT

    And then don't forget Shoaib getting caught scratching his balls in the last one-dayer.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1314414/Shoaib-Akhtar-caught-camera-ball-tampering-row-sours-Englands-win.html

    I am sure it is a RAW+CIA+MI5+NASA+Tabloids, Hindu+Christian+Buddisht+Jewish+kafir's conspiracy to denigrate the perfectly moral, incorruptible, righteous, pious Pakistan Cricket system !

    It is in their DNA.

  • saifkl on September 24, 2010, 19:26 GMT

    The illegal gambling business which is most likely in India is the real cause. The real corrution is not that it allows people to bet on a sure thing and make money but the fact that the bookies get to know the result and as a result they make money by changing the odds that they offer. So if they know that team "A" will win they will make sure that more money goes on team "B" and that allows them to make billions (i am sure this is a huge business in India).

    They have the politicians in their pockets so therefore all the limelight is some 18 years old.

    If they make gambling legal then most of this problem will go away. It is very difficult to make money with weird betting and most bettors will be caught..

    Futhermore they can place a limit on indivisual bets like 5,000 or 10,000 Rs thus elimininating large bets and finishing the incentive to place bets that lllows people to make a fortune..

    So focus on the real issue that is the illegal gambling business...

  • VivaVizag on September 24, 2010, 19:26 GMT

    And then don't forget Shoaib getting caught scratching his balls in the last one-dayer.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1314414/Shoaib-Akhtar-caught-camera-ball-tampering-row-sours-Englands-win.html

    I am sure it is a RAW+CIA+MI5+NASA+Tabloids, Hindu+Christian+Buddisht+Jewish+kafir's conspiracy to denigrate the perfectly moral, incorruptible, righteous, pious Pakistan Cricket system !

    It is in their DNA.

  • cricpolitics on September 24, 2010, 19:25 GMT

    No one likes fixed matches and the people who try to fix them. The real issue is you can't just keep signling out Pakistan every time and think that no other cricket team or cricket players have not and are not involved in any kind of fixing at different times. Yes Pakistan must join but not on the premises that it is only Pakistna's problem. If you want to make an example then the examples will have to be made across the board. The corruption is where the money is and everyone konws where the money is in the cricket world. You can't just hide that fact.

  • saifkl on September 24, 2010, 19:08 GMT

    So who is paying these guys all this money?

    Who are the bookies? Which country are they from? Why are they allowed to operate? You can easily make an example by banning the players.. What about making an example out of the bookies and the people behind the illegal gambling business?

    MR HARSHA HAVE YOU CONTACTED YOUR GOVERNMENT TO TRY TO ARREST THE PEOPLE BEHIND THIS BUSINESS... SEEMS LIKE EVEN IF ALL THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE THEN THE PLAYERS ARE JUST PAWNS.. PUNISHING THEM WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM UNTILL YOU PUT A FEW BOOKIES AND THEIR BACKERS BEHIND BARS FOR LIFE...

    MR BHOSLE I THINK THAT YOU ARE JUST POINTIG OUT AT THE SYMPTOMS AND NOT THE DISEASE...

    ARE YOU GOING TO DO OR WRITE ANYTHING ABOUT THE REAL DIESEASE OR ARE JUST INTERESTED IN WRITING "FEEL GOOD ARTICLES/Sounding morally good" articles..

  • sharprider on September 24, 2010, 18:34 GMT

    Yes, Pakistan and it's cricket administrators need to do more about this menace. But, given the track record and the countries involved in this "racket", it should also be taken up with those respective countries' administrators and authorities to try and curb (if not totally eliminate) this scourge of betting. Whatever you may choose to call it: Spot-fixing, Match fixing, etc., this surely can and should not be zeroed in on one country, in this case Pakistan, as it then smacks of a "conspiracy" because a similar pattern was treaded on by some of the cricketing nations in stripping Pakistan of the hosting honors for the next World Cup. Now, in view of the Pakistan team's re-emergence after their debacle Down-Under earlier this year, it lends credibility to this theory of "conspiracy" more so because "some" teams secretly view this phenomenon (of Pakistan showing their Giant-killing abilities on the recently concluded arduous tour of England) as very ominous and contrary to their plans.

  • DrDonaLolo on September 24, 2010, 18:15 GMT

    Harsha Bhogle, I agree what you wrote for Pakistan, but do you really think India wins matches with this lollipop bowling attack? I don't think so. Personally I believe Indian bookies and BCCI buy every single match for team India, specially from countries like Pakistan, SL,WI, I have also lot of doubt that they buy some of players from rest of countries as well. If you see the bowling of Murlai in the last tour of SL to India, you can clearly say he was 100% sold out. I am 100% sure If match fixing stops today India ranking in both Test and ODI will be dropped to bottom half of the table. When SL board always beg for money from BCCI to run their board, then do you think both team play a real cricket? I don't think so!

  • Vilander on September 24, 2010, 17:57 GMT

    bleading heart lberal Harsha please spare us, without pakistani players the CL is clean from fixing and ball tampering. We dont really need the Besht!! Pakishtan, dont denegrate the fine windies and Newzelanders.

  • VipulPatki on September 24, 2010, 17:56 GMT

    @reality_check: If a person were to get a penny every time a Pakistani fan, privately or in public, blames a disaster on BCCI/ICC, he would be in a position to pay India's external debts five times over and still pip Bill Gates in the race for the richest person by a margin that would make the gap between Andy's love for cricket and his cricketing aptitude (as he describes it) look inconsequential.

  • BapiDas on September 24, 2010, 17:46 GMT

    When the credibility of the game is at stake, waiting for the outcome of the investigations will only add to the woes! Action must be instant and TOTAL BAN FOR INDEFINITE PERIOD AND FORFEITURE OF ALL REMUNERATIONS must be imposed immediately! If the investigations later prove the concerned player to be innocent, the ban on the player must be lifted and he must be allowed to resume his career. This is the only way to deal with this menace.

  • pak-united on September 24, 2010, 17:33 GMT

    Harsha, you are spot on, but can you also shed some light on what BCCI is doing about the center and home of match-fixing i.e. Mumbai? The root cause arises from India, so lets join the fight for that and then look beyond :)

    I also wanted to say that I really enjoy your commentary style, its very entertaining and unique. " The King of Peshawar, from Karachi to Lahore to Islamabad, and the King of Nottingham". I think you said that about Afridi during the 20/20 semi final against South Africa.

    Have a great day Harsha!

  • on September 24, 2010, 17:15 GMT

    Pakistan cricket had always been plagued with match fixing controversies. But the recent allegations sees Pakistan cricket in total shambles and least hope.Pakistan and controversy have long been two words which may be considered synonymous. And the same could be said about Pakistan cricket and match fixing. Pakistan cricketers have been looked at with raised eyebrows for the last two decades now. While sometimes some people have been made scapegoats for no reason, cricketers from Pakistan do not always come all clean - certainly not all of them.Once again, cricket in Pakistan has lost the respect of its world peers. The problem now is graver than before.The betting and spot fixing scandal that has got Pakistani cricket trapped badly into a big whirlpool can only end if the culprits are seriously punished and the team would be cleaned up with all the ugly members that have brought this shame to the nation.

  • Bilal_Choudry on September 24, 2010, 17:05 GMT

    @Jarr30 Hehe you really do believe everything you read in the tabloids. The fact is that the money found was 2000 pounds and secondly mazhar was an agent of the players. The video does not show the pakistan players and yasir hameed has already clarified on his statement. So take it easy no reason to jump to conclusions. Remember making up your mind by only listening to one side of the story will never allow you to reach the truth

  • nani_cool21 on September 24, 2010, 17:02 GMT

    Ha Ha funny thing is still pakistan fans supporting their team.Thats why their team able to do any thing they want.Still they need evidance.Whom damn care about pakistan team in england.DO u think thats a conspiracy ha ha if so what will they get comon guyd wake up accept the fact.And please don,t even compare with indian cricket team.They never fight like u No shoib akthar to do ball tamperings no miandad to jump like monkeys here comon grow up

  • sri1ram on September 24, 2010, 16:49 GMT

    Hmmm, so this is a conspiracy to "defraud Pakistani cricket" and Pak cricketers are deemed "guilty until proved innocent" ? Laughable, the standards that some have fallen to. Most of you know in your minds what the probability of no-balls falling exactly at a predicted moments.. and three falling exactly at the forecast moment is well neigh impossible, unless fixed. If you want the world to turn a blind eye to this, and follow third world norms, just say it out - do NOT blindly parrot the PCB refrain of "investigation is going on" so wait to comment etc. Now, everything that happens in the pure land needs to be equated to a parallel in India, so a "we are no better or worse" standard is seen. Remember this, Azhar and Jadeja were suspended by BCCI and could never get back to domestic cricket, let alone international cricket! Or any other game, google Badminton & Azhar! To summarize that they should not be allowed to do better in politics or personal incentives, is naive and stupid.

  • jokerbala on September 24, 2010, 16:41 GMT

    I could accept this innocent until proven guilty argument if Mr .Salman Butt and co had reacted strongly to these allegations , just like any honest man would if he is falsely accused(anyway it does not prove they are innocent). Instead all that he was able to say was that" investigations are on and law will take the decision" and stuff like that.He could'nt say a simple "yes" when asked if he denied the reports that he took money, when the english reporters asked him a hundred times.When the player himself does not say that he is being framed falsely I do not understand where the fans get such an impression.To guys who say it is just a Tabloid , these tabloids are the ones that have got John Terry and recently Mr.Wayne Rooney into trouble.Not all what the say can be brushed away easily.

  • Hotchner on September 24, 2010, 16:40 GMT

    England home ground is gone for pakistan now...next what..duabi..then can hear some drug stories there .then afganisthan..or play domestic among themselves..wake up all pakistani fans..try to realize WHAT IS HAPPENING and don't think that "until proven guilty" as a way to cover your guilty player faces...everyone in the world knows pakistan cricket is facing issues day by day..just admit it..AND GET HANDS OFF FROM INDIA AND IPL.Our players and people are more loyal to the country..Please get rid off historical negative attitude that pakistan pauses..HOT NEWS! ANOTHER JOKER CAPTAIN ITSELF NOW THINKING TO COME OUT FROM RETIREMENT..Do you guys have any dignity LEFT for announcements made.Aren't you ashamed to life ban some1 and lift it whenever you feel need them.PAKISTAN CRICKET CAUSING BAD IMAGE FOR THE WORLD CRICKET FOR SOMETIME NOW AND rest of the wold knws about it very well .use 50% of the efforts that you guys r putting against india to correct those junkies in your cricket.enough!

  • RealPolitik on September 24, 2010, 16:33 GMT

    The problems of Pakistan cannot be fixed. Pakistan is a feudal society, wherein people in authority act with impunity, without regard for right or wrong. This thinking has seeped into the cricket authorities and team. As the political situation in Pakistan has degraded (all policital parties are headed by crooks) the same is reflected in the PCB. Unless the ICC takes some strong punitive actions and on a forward going basis participates in the administration of the PCB, you will continue to see fraudsters in the administration, the management and the team. Why did Justice Qayyum not ban Waseem Akram, Waqar Younis, et. al.? Why are Waqar Younis and Ijaz Ahmed coaching the team? Why is Kamram Akmal still playing? Gentlemen, this is a message from Pakistan that "we only look after ourselves, and we can cheat and get away with it". Pakistanis must realize, it is not about "us and them", it is about the integrity of the country on the international stage and being a good sportsman.

  • danney707 on September 24, 2010, 16:30 GMT

    @ Jarr30 Once again ur view is based wrong info & out of context. Mazhar was their agent. It was very easy for him to give them money if he was part of the setup. Plus the money that found in their room was 2500 GBP from Salman Butt (the Mazhar gave him to participate in some ice cream opening ceremony), 1500 GBP from Mohammad Amir's room (which were daily allowance) and nothing was found from Asif. Also the money found from Salman's room was the money from NOTW. You should follow the whole story first.

  • reality_check on September 24, 2010, 16:28 GMT

    If I keep getting a penny everytime an Indian says "Pakistanis are living in denial" I would be a very rich person in a short time. Don't try to dilute the legitimate concerns that Pakistanis have with this one liner. This is on the same par intellectually as the now famous one liner by GW "you are with us or against us". No sane Pakistani is saying to pardon Butt, Amir or Asif if found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt BUT their punishment should be at par with others in the same boat in the past and don't just start "forcefully" enforcing something ONLY when a Pak player is involved (allegedly). Do it across the board when it happens and why stop at match/spot fixing. Tackle the whole corruption and include IPL and ICC as well.

  • Desihungama on September 24, 2010, 16:27 GMT

    How are you going to have an even competion if domestic teams from Pakistan are not included? You see the best when the best are on the field. You keep the best out and see you subpar cricket more or less galli mohalla cricket.

  • on September 24, 2010, 16:25 GMT

    agreed with geeva.. champions league looks unfair to me.. every team is playing with its local players but indian teams are prospering wid as many as 4 overseas players.. really, it takes the sting and xcitement out of contest when the parameters for selection dont go equal..moreover 3 indian teams is a clear case to increase there chances for the semis.. sounds real unfair!!

  • on September 24, 2010, 16:11 GMT

    I am a Pakistani and dont want to deny the fact that due to PCB Administrators the pakistani cricket is in a mess. However, Pakistanis react in this way becuase there is suffeiceint evidence to suggest that at numerous occasions ICC have failed to assertain its authority on players from other countries. Its high time that ICC gets its act together, work colsely with Pakistan Cricket Board and other member countries to save this beautiful game. It is very hard to believe that $22 billion illegal betting industry is only based on 11 players from Pakistan. If that was the case then I guess these guys should be if not multi billion at least multi million. Writers and critics and ICC board members should not only assert some political pressure on Pakistan to change PCB Administrator but also work very closely in a fair and transparent way to clean this game rather than blaming every thing on Pakistan and its players. ICC get the trust of fans but not the expense of pakistan only.

  • Emaad-ud-din on September 24, 2010, 15:57 GMT

    Harsha RULE IS RULE for everyone. Everyone is equal in the eyes of law.

    A few years before in 1998, Australian players Mark Waugh and Shane Warne were fined for revealing information about the 'weather' to a bookmaker.

    Than I ask you why Shane Warne kept on playing internaional cricket when he was proved to be a match fixer/spot fixer. Salim Malik was banned for life but why not Shane warne. Why rule is not equal for everyone here. Why Salim Malik was banned and Shane warne was allowed to become a Legend.

    And Please wait for the decision about match fixing. Nothing is proved. If players are proven guilty than strict action must be taken. But what if players are not guilty than who will be responsible for all this discomfort we people had faced. Will you write another column against ICC? will ICC excuse? Will you react if ICC plays politics and try to make underhand deal to hide its false action?????

  • Thirdman3 on September 24, 2010, 15:56 GMT

    Technology and camera is used to show the match fixing by Pakistani players even ball tempering. But what about Strauss bad sportman spirit in the 2nd ODI and umpires wrong decisions particularly against the average side. Human error is acceptable but too much against one side and favouring the other side key and match decider players like strauss is very shamefull and as match fixing is effecting the game image then what about these.. What is the duty of TV umpires and match refery why umpires are not referring to TV umpires in case of stumping appeal.. So it is not only Pakistani who effecting the game image all others are also involve It is better to avoid the match transmission on TV if you are not using the technology in the main area of the game then why media is using it against Pakistani players I think crime committed by strauss and umpires are not just mistakes if any thing is effecting the image of the game then it is crime against CRICKET spirit.

  • harvey7415 on September 24, 2010, 15:55 GMT

    Of the four countries whose cricketers were accused of match/spot-fixing, only one country took steps so that the tainted players never played Cricket again - INDIA, even though some charges against some players were never proven. We didn't hide under the excuse of "everyone is innocent until proven guilty". It is not enough for cricketers to be not corrupt. Caesar's wife should be beyond suspicion. Perception counts. Even if the remote hypothetical possibility arises that the Pakistani cricketers were not corrupt, they still need to be banned for merely bringing the game into suspicion by hobnobbing with shady bookies.

  • Mansoor1 on September 24, 2010, 15:53 GMT

    So Mr. Harsha, suggests that Pakistan ban/punish all guilty players, yet the investigation is still not complete. So can you tell me for what crime? He further says 'Pakistan must join the fight...', as in how India joined it when a certain Kapil Dev's involvement (in match fixing) was so conveniently swept under the carpet a few years back? I guess Mr. Bhogle also needs to be reminded where 90%+ of the illegal bookies come from, one hint 'It is not from the corrupt Pakistan' :-) Lastly, whatever happened to the concerns raised by a few writers (not from Corrupt Pakistan) about IPLII being rigged/matches being fixed/players being involved...oh yeah, India joined the fight by again sweeping it under the carpet! Please keep your sermon to yourself because your own country ain't kosher by any stretch of imagination!

  • cricdick on September 24, 2010, 15:40 GMT

    To argue that "Innocent until proven guilty: is an admission to the guilt and crime. We read Indian media always, as if we always want ourselves to compare with India and condemn them in everything and everywhere possible but wouldnt learn from them that they criticise their own wrongdoings,mistakes and failures, but we pakistani behave as if the world belongs to us and we are the most civilised. If so, then first thing is to accept our failures and wrondoings. Our cricketers have been accused of Rape,narco,nigh-club fighting, matchfixing is proved in so many cases and even a Bob Woolmer case....what is wrong to admitting when we are wrong? Let us come out to the world from our selfimposed mental ghetto.

  • nivek123 on September 24, 2010, 15:33 GMT

    @all pak fans....Conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy. Can't you guys think of anything new. Every problem in pakistan is a conspiracy by India or someone else. Please get a life and get out of that denial mode of yours or this rot will continue to infest your cricket for years.

  • imfarooq on September 24, 2010, 15:31 GMT

    Wake-up Harsha,..... it shows the mindset of peoples who rush to the conclusion at once, the investigations are still on and no final judgement is given by Scotland Yard sofar. Also have a close look at result of Champions League last league match (CSK vs Warriors), the scores were very cleverly made to make both teams qualify. Warriors efforts in last 3 overs were almost dull and they just focued to score 109 and not to win the match. That match was very much fixed by both teams.

  • on September 24, 2010, 15:27 GMT

    some indians commenting on moral values of pakistanis. salim malik and ata ur rehman are no where to be seen in pak, while azhar uddin is an MP while jadeja is a cricket expert in India. compare the values! who is respecting the cheaters!

  • on September 24, 2010, 15:26 GMT

    Pretty biased and poor article. Sir, nobody in their right minds would actually wreck their own career when they have been so close to death, injuries that would have finished their career and what not. So basically , if you're trying to suggest that someone like HIM would actually want to do things that would ruin his career then i think u need a reality check. Whatever you say, the article makes it sound pretty adamant that the players are actually PROVEN guilty when actually the scotland yard failed to provide evidence. Believing in tabloid news who survive on fake news and stupid gossiping is a waste of time, nothing in it was true or worth charging the players for. So seriously back up your article with proofs if you have to go ahead with it. I suggest you look into other teams too, when almost every cricket team be it pakistan or india or SA, have been involved in such crimes from the beginning.

  • Desi_In_US on September 24, 2010, 15:19 GMT

    As a Pakistani and a cricket lover, it was disheartening to see Pak/Eng series unravel the way it did. I strongly feel that PCB failed in their crisis management espeically Ijaz Butt who I think has done some major damage to Pakistan Cricket. I dont feel that Cricket World is out there to conspire against Pakistan, however it's easy for any team or board to take advantage of the situation. England for example maxmimized the benefits of the situation. But are they responsible for the allegations? Absolutely not. It's sad to read when some high profile ex-cricketers raise question of banning Pakistan. But then again they are the same people who accused Imran/Wasim/Younis of being cheaters and making the ball 'talk'. Now reverse swing is an art. PCB needs to take the ownership of the situation and do whats right. Put 'real' cricket think tank in place with a plan. As a cricket fan it's painful to think that we may not see Amir bowl again. I hope we do. Peace to all.

  • on September 24, 2010, 15:09 GMT

    I don't understand why everyone is taking the stands when reading this article. This article was written unbiased. His views are only to save the game of cricket so that our future generations doesn't ask us what is CRICKET?. For people taking the Pakistan stand, let me tell you when Azhar and Jadega were caught fixing BCCI banned them from cricket. Will PCB do the the same this time if those three alleged players are found to be guilty. You have to have balls to do that. Mumbai may be the happening place for bookies but their ring leader D'wud is running this infamous syndicate from Pakistan. I pity people who always point fingers at India. When there were floods in Pakistan, their media claimed it was the work of India. Can someone educate me how is this possible?

    I sincerely ask ICC not to show any sympathy towards Mohammed Amer if he is found guilty. He is matured enough to think good n bad. Punishment should act as a deterrent for would be fixers.

  • on September 24, 2010, 15:08 GMT

    Harsha I think is a neutral person. he should not write something which is based on presumptions. The Pakistani Players are alleged and nothing has been proved as yet. So why say something which is not based on facts. This is horrible and an attempt to downgrade the Pakistani Cricket.

  • on September 24, 2010, 15:08 GMT

    Harsha I think is a neutral person. he should not write something which is based on presumptions. The Pakistani Players are alleged and nothing has been proved as yet. So why say something which is not based on facts. This is horrible and an attempt to downgrade the Pakistani Cricket.

  • ranjeetc on September 24, 2010, 14:59 GMT

    Guilty unless proven guilty, Guilty unless proven guilty...blah blah blah, I am sick of my Pakistani neighbors of constantly saying this and shielding the perpetrators from these issues. They said the same when Mohammed Asif and Shoaib Akhtar was caught Doping, back then its because of his influences with India and IPL. They said the same when Afridi was caught chewing the ball in front of all cameras, they said, so what Sehwag stepped on the ball, Dravid did it too. When the SL players were shot at, they said, so what, no one was killed and they expected players from the rest of the world to be stupid and still play there. When it rains like crazy, I'm not kidding, there is a pakistani politician that claimed that it was due to India. Its time you guys look in the mirror and clean up your house before you blame outsiders for your misery.

  • Snick_To_Backward_Point on September 24, 2010, 14:54 GMT

    I've read the article and can see nothing wrong or biased in Mr Bhogal's words. Seems to me that a lot of the responses here are based upon a dislike for Mr Bhogal because he is an Indian daring to have an opinion on the current disgusting mess Pakistani cricket is once again embroiled in.

    As an Englishman I am disgusted by the conduct of the PCB's President in accusing English players of match fixing without having submitted a shred of proof. This is the thanks this buffoon gives the ECB for rescuing Pakistan cricket and offering them a place to play in safety & comfort.

    Many of the comments here also seem to take the point of view of "innocent until proven guilty", while that may be true, there is a deafening silence on what should be the second part to that sentence: "and if they are found guilty: ban them for life."

    Personally, I have now reached the point where I can no longer trust whether we are getting genuine effort from a Pakistani team.

  • aahd81 on September 24, 2010, 14:52 GMT

    Nice. I don't disagree with the idea that Pakistan needs to be harsh with its players if its proven that the players being indicted are indeed guilty. Although it hurts to lose Amir.

    I am however, not convinced about the statement that world cricket would consider itself poorer for the lack of Pakistan. Why? Simply because world cricket has ignored how Pakistan players have been sidelined from the most lucrative cricketing tournaments being held mainly by India. IPL is a purely Indian phenomenon. I can understand how their biased team owners would not want a Pakistani in the team...I can't understand that based on the talent they are ignoring but all the rest is plain and simple. Pakistanis are not welcome. Champions League is ignoring Pakistani teams as well. Interestingly, the tournament isn't being held in India...there is no so called threat in SA. But yes, Pakistanis are not welcome...I can't understand why Harsha is turning a blind eye to that bit of trivia...

  • a_a_b on September 24, 2010, 14:52 GMT

    It's funny how every tom,dick and harry ( and Harsha is none of them as he never even played cricket) wants to make a comment on what should be done about the 'tainted trio'.

    In case of Pakistani cricketers, they seem to always be judged as guilty until proven innocent, and no commentator including the great Harsha has anything to say about that.

  • Jarr30 on September 24, 2010, 14:49 GMT

    To all pakistani brothers who are still in DENIAL, Scotland Yard caught the same money which was given to Majeed in Salman Butt's hotel room which was raided by police.Who would carry 15,000 pounds and keep in a hotel room.There is video evdence of the no-balls,Yasir hammed admitted that most of the pakistani players have been taking money from bookies.What more do you guys want?

  • synergy on September 24, 2010, 14:47 GMT

    I totally agree with evenflow; Yes indeed it is a very good article giving sound advice to PCB. I also agree with him that those found guilty should be handed harsh punishment & would rather go a step further by suggesting to initiate criminal proceedings against them. Having said this I must also point out that ICC too has a responsibility towards this, they should have a very effective anti corruption unit in place. The ACU must comprise of people with cricketing back ground who is able understand the modalities of fixings, appointing retired policemen is not enough. The ACU must have at least 2 members nominated from each board , out of the 2 nominated members one should be an ex cricketer & the other must be an investigative crime reporter from that country, their job should be to monitor all the matches and players. Current ACU is just a rubber stamp body set up only for cosmetic purposes and it would be foolish to expect them to come up with solutions.

  • AsherCA on September 24, 2010, 14:47 GMT

    Harsha, agreed. Only challenge is - with ICC's merry band of umpires stooping to new levels of inefficiency every time one of their favored teams (mostly Australia) looks like losing an Intl. match, how do you keep conspiracy theories away ?

    What is to say that ICC's so-called neutral umpires will not win the next series for 1 or the other side while ICC's management chooses to be a silent spectator as they did at Sydney & worse, protect the criminals under the guise of protecting the criminal umpire's confidence ?

    The whole cricket world knows what Bucknor & Benson did at Sydney was criminal. What was more criminal was ICC refused to take any action against them.

    Every time an umpire errs to favor Australia now, the first thing that enters an Indian mind is - How much money did Ponting / CA pay to buy this error ?

    PCB is right - even Cricinfo has refused to even write against ICC's proven cheats, but writes pages against Pakistani cricketers - without evidence.

  • Alexk400 on September 24, 2010, 14:43 GMT

    For me pakistan always produce better cricketers than india. Better athletically. Only issue with pakistanis are lack of responsibility and leadership. Always blame others first. you are in a mud , it does n't matter you throw mud at india. i really think pakistan and PCB should grow up and show that they can run a clean organization better than BCCI. All pakistanis are in denial. Anyone with common sense can see all these 3 players took the money and did spot fixing. Asking where is the proof when the proof is infront of you. Just keep asking where is the proof million times do not make proof not a proof. It is like my belief is better than your belief argument. Won't work. Pakistan will be banned for 5 years!.

  • on September 24, 2010, 14:34 GMT

    @Alexk400 ha ha ha, inocent wish

  • AhmadSaleem on September 24, 2010, 14:27 GMT

    Harsha, who have told you that PCB won't take any action if players are proven guilty? Lt the investigations be completed and then open your right. Right now , you should be writing on the CWG issue which is much much bigger than this issue.

  • Harmony111 on September 24, 2010, 14:26 GMT

    Btw friends, Gideon Haigh's latest article (well not quite new actually, its dated 31 Aug) has no option of commenting upon it. It seems that Cricinfo folks were so irritated by the amount of criticism of his line of thought by the readers that they have now decided to avoid the criticism altogether. He anyways suffers from an almost pathological bitterness against BCCI-IPL-Modi.

  • AAK.PAKISTANI on September 24, 2010, 14:24 GMT

    If I'm not wrong, all bookies are from Mambai, India. So India is the root cause of match fixing and spot fixing. Destroy the root cause first.

  • on September 24, 2010, 14:24 GMT

    wat a crap harsha...u wud be better of writing agaisnt indian lobby ...and official headquarters of bookies i.e india

  • Mina_Anand on September 24, 2010, 14:21 GMT

    The IPL issue is raised, because as far as I know, no sports writer has condemned the way it was run. Yes, it was run brilliantly, but does that excuse corruption, manipulation and fixing? Yes, these charges are also just allegations as of now, but is the cricket world raising a hue and cry over the IPL/Modi scam as they are over a News of the World sting operation. This tabloid has a reputation for 'fixing' stories, and there is a long list of legal proceedings against the paper. It has paid millions in damages for the damage done to reputations. Innocent until proved guilty is the correct way to go about this. Are we going back to the dark ages, when we hang someone on hearsay (albeit very graphic) evidence ?

    Having said this, a player found 'fixing' must indeed be very severely punished.

  • harvey7415 on September 24, 2010, 14:16 GMT

    The last few days have brought out the contrast in cultures between two countries - India and Pakistan - when faced with two sports crises. With the Pakistani match-fixing, the general attitude with the Pakistani people was one of denial and those who pretended to not be in denial denied it in the garb of - everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I wonder if they would have held the same notion if an Indian team had been involved. Media programs and journalists conjured up RAW conspiracy theories.

    In the case of India, with the under preparedness of the Commonwealth Games, the Indians and Indian media tore into their government. Vehement anger was expressed by eminent journalists, media programs went round the clock pointing to the gross shortcoming in governance. The anger of Indian people was comparable to that after 26/11 attacks in Mumbai. Officials seemed visibly shaken

  • getgopi on September 24, 2010, 14:02 GMT

    The PCB really needs to be run by the right people...even without a controversy like this having happened. It should be led by men and women with experience in public relations, dealing with human psychology in general and, of course, possessing a deep-set love for Cricket.

  • Cricketing_sense on September 24, 2010, 13:55 GMT

    It is Indian monopoly which is great threat to cricket.

  • Falaky on September 24, 2010, 13:52 GMT

    what a rotten piece of article I have ever seen. Harsha, I would recommend you focusing on Mother India. The whole world must put their focus back on headquarters of all the bookies, Mumbai.

  • danney707 on September 24, 2010, 13:46 GMT

    @ Jarr30 Its very easy to twist things. Just go to archives and read the reporting those days. Pakistan did offered to host its share of matches in UAE .. but it was indeed BCCI which opposed the idea. Not everything is a reaction my friend.

  • danney707 on September 24, 2010, 13:44 GMT

    To all my friends who are saying that no charges have been made yet... we should add this that investigations are not done by PCB or Pakistan Police ... its Scotland yard & ICC ... plus Haroon Logart wanted to show leniency towards Mohammad Amir but Ijaz Butt said no leniency ... Do you still think that Pakistan is not a part of the battle? Are you so much narrow minded that you cant even consider the possibility of these guys to be innocent? Cant you even wait till those allegations are being officially proven?

  • Jarr30 on September 24, 2010, 13:40 GMT

    The problem with these pakistanis is that live in denial.TRUTH BITES and they cannot take it or want to accept it. Remember DENIAL LEADS TO FAILURE and that's where they are.When Pakistan was stripped off from hosting the W"CUP, as bombs were fyling off in every streets & corner of pakistan their stupid ex-players jumped and blamed that it was BCCI & India's agenda to remove Pakistan from hosting. Grow up and accept it.

  • LSmith on September 24, 2010, 13:37 GMT

    The very problem with pakistan cricket betting , and players getting lots of money is the terrorist angle that might get funded by same money...so world is so concern..

  • Bang_La on September 24, 2010, 13:34 GMT

    I strictly believe that Pakistan government and its cricket board did not weed out the problem of all kinds of match fixing and that was intentional because the whole administration line is corrupt and is involved in sharing the benefits earned. I also believe, Indian government and its cricket board are obviously taking advantage of such a situation that was definitely revealed by Indian help or initiation.

  • evenflow_1990 on September 24, 2010, 13:33 GMT

    i actually thought this was a very good article. he didn't accuse pakistan of anything - merely said that if there is a fixing problem, it should be dealt with because pakistan is capable of being a major power if their players are honest. i think he means well and if you guys can't see that, then you're a part of the problem. fantastic final line harsha =P

  • Harmony111 on September 24, 2010, 13:27 GMT

    Really surprised to find that some people are raising the issues of CWG and IPL/Modi issues to mitigate the spot fixing allegations against some Pakistani players. How is one connected to the other? CWG is a mess and for sure there is plenty of corruption there but does it have any any any connection with cricket? As for people talking about Modi, well, he wasn't found out by some tabloid's sting but was suspended by BCCI on its own and isn't an inquiry underway for that? Did BCCI run away from it? NO. Did BCCI run away when Azhar and others were found involved in match fixing? That is another thing if Azhar is an MP now (pure politics); BCCI as an authority of cricket in India punished him & others. What has PCB done? Whether fixing or doping or any other misdemeanor, they have either been very very lenient or done merely window dressing. Suspended players are back quickly and either openly or surreptitiously. Pakistan must tell us first what it means by "EVIDENCE".

  • Bilal_Choudry on September 24, 2010, 13:24 GMT

    @bkraks21 oh you have such an impressionable mind ... you like to believe in trial by media right. The paper that reported all this is a tabloid and you can look up how many times they end up compensating people after stories like this. The fact is that nothing has been proven and the players in question are back home. My question is if there is nothing proven would all the so called cricket experts apologize ? Secondly I can only wonder if a it was a pakistani player rather than Trott that instigated that bustup.

  • I.H.Naqvi on September 24, 2010, 13:19 GMT

    All the players are innocent until proven guilty.. After the investigations, cricket constitution must be followed... If laws of cricket does not allow a life ban over spot fixing then why everyone is yelling about it even before it has been proven including the so called geniuses of cricinfo's columnists... this is called influencing the verdict..the case is not even in the courts and every one is commenting on it... STOP THIS NONSENSE...

  • Tatom on September 24, 2010, 13:12 GMT

    Harsha Living in the paradise of blinds and biasness... no evidence have proved the trio of match fixing and still wants to ban them ignoring the non professional attitude of the biggest clown Haroon Logart on handling the second match fixing conviction against players in which he simply could not inform PCB when it received the information and just started inquiry on basis of nothing. For all of those living in the world of blinds let me predict you now whats going to be happening in future.. the match fixing allegations will never be proved because it was drama just by the crying English (as they are crying since last 30 years) to get pressurize to such extent that they can win the series and it did happen and they achieved what they wanted to... 2ndly ALL WOULD SEE SIMILAR THING WILL HAPPEN IN UPCOMING WORLD CUP AGAINST PAK SO THE EVEN LITTLE CHANCE TO WIN IS LOST BY THEM. 3RDLY PCB WOULD REMAIN SAME UNTIL IT IS RULED BY SOMEONE RUTHLESS LIKE IMRAN KHAN

  • pankajkumarsingh on September 24, 2010, 13:11 GMT

    It amazes me to see almost every Pakistani in denial of the whole issue. Yes, CWG has corruption, and yes most bookies are from India. Does that make it OK for Pakistanis to take bribes to bowl no-balls? Entire CWG is on newspapers due to corruption. CWG is under scanner right now. I am sure they are being condemned. Bookies are illigel in india and cops are always on the hunt for them. Point I am making is - Indians condemn CWG's corrution and bookies. Pakistanis on the other hand think its OK to cheat and steal because a few others are doing it too. What are your moral grounds guys??? Do you have your own moral standards or you get driven by moral standards of others?

  • sachin_vvsfan on September 24, 2010, 13:06 GMT

    @ Meety Answer for your ques on Why 3 IPL teams? How many indian players are playing in those teams?21 thats not even equivalent to two proper teams. How many players from AUS,SA are playing? thats more than 2 teams (inlcude IPL overseas). Besides these IPL teams do not consist all native players like other teams and SA, NZ teams are trying to get

    @ LoveTheGame Thats one more dumb conspiracy from you pakistanis who live in denial. sachin got those sponsors even when india were ranked 8th when they did not play many odis in a season. we indians do not view pakistan as competitor but as a major irritant and we simply do not have time to listen to your dumb conspiracy theories (like India caused the floods, india influenced the umpires, india fixed the games,RAW behind this spot fixing). Conspiracy to defraud PAK? I can understand if uneducated lot behaves like this but man how come a diplomat and a PCB official make these childish comments. You are only making fool of yourselves

  • Chigga on September 24, 2010, 13:04 GMT

    as usual a brilliant article harsha!!..it epitomises the current state of affairs of pakistan cricket...and for those admonishing harsha for putting this up its only the reality...india might have bookies but atleast the players do not persistently fall prey to them...the pakistani players on the other hand form a mere procession....amongst the recent crop only inzy and younus khan deserve any sort of respect.

  • cricdick on September 24, 2010, 12:58 GMT

    I fully agree with Harsh. India bashing is not necessary, as Pakistan Ambassador himself has indirectly agreed that Pakistan players were involved in match fixing. To shamefully defend Pakistan players,the PCB chief even accused English players of match fixing and now he is retracting cleverly as English are taking action against him. All this dont necessarily qualify India bashing on any subject any place....let us play cricket becoz.we love the game. As a Pakistani myself, I feel Harsh has written this article as a fair cricjournalist. Period.

  • big_cheese on September 24, 2010, 12:46 GMT

    The whole world has seen what the aftereffects of the scandal that hit Pakistan were, during Cronje's Confession. A couple of guys were picked and banned (perhaps for life) and the PCB merely washed their hands off of the scandal. That was just not enough. So, let's not play that game again - "wait until the investigations are complete OR no one is guilty unless proved guilty OR other non-sense". To me, Harsha's point was straight, Pakistan can't again afford to ban a couple of guys and claim all is well. They should rather enforce recommendations in Qayyum's report, which probably would have avoided the latest happenings.

  • PaulRogers on September 24, 2010, 12:35 GMT

    Mr Bhogle, I agree that the concept of conspiracy is probably not correct against Paksitan but we should refrain from accusing their players or kicking them out of the game till the charges are proved. I wonder ICC announced that it is only going to take few days to press the charges if they got evidence, but they are still sitting there. I also admire the fact that they played well despite all the media accusing them.

  • Hotchner on September 24, 2010, 12:33 GMT

    i don't understand why whenver pakistan cricket have problem everyone like to blame India for it.Don,t you guys have embarresed enough of WC hosting issue , player fighting , coming back from retirement , joke statements from the board , attack overseas cricketers , IPL totally ignored you and now again worst sport fixing.Ask yourself do you deserve to play international cricket even after this all happened ? ???? Which cricket plating nation will allow you to use their grounds a your home ground ???? Yah only dubai or abu dhabhi left and we all know it is why...STOP blaming IPL & india for issues you are facing ecause of your own cause...Well India have the power to organize and play cricket now and it is completely Pakistan's inability to produce those standards that other nations hold...Don't envy against other countries for your uncapabalities to build strong nation and game of cricekt...without fire there will not be any some ok..and why anyone of the trio never defend themselves

  • sudhs_107 on September 24, 2010, 12:33 GMT

    @Murtaza Hussain --- Dont know why every Pakisthani's wants ICC to do investigation on bookies rather than players? As far as I know, ICC not a criminal investigation board. It has authority over Cricket Players. It can make rules and regulations for Cricket players. I don;t think ICC has any authority over bookies!!! At last what do you expect ICC to do for bookies? Lifetime Bank?? :P

  • APositron on September 24, 2010, 12:27 GMT

    The greatest culprits are the English press. How can they be allowed to put visiting teams on the back foot? The way to handle rumors of match-fixing is to take them to the ICC. Not to plaster them all over Front pages for the sake of selling papers and to the discredit of the visitors. My sympathy is with the Pakistan players who were expected to compete under harrowing circumstances and I congratulate them on their demeanor and success.

  • astute_observer on September 24, 2010, 12:25 GMT

    @LoveTheGame Your point is worthless since Pakistan is still playing cricket and still is a low ranked side. Whereas India is No1 test team. So its pointless for India to worry about Pakistan. India should be more worried about Sri Lanka, Australia, South Africa and England. All these teams are better than Pakistan. Stop blaming India for everything and try to fix your own side. Otherwise your cricket will never improve.

  • ShahzanHaiderBukhari on September 24, 2010, 12:08 GMT

    @alphatruth: Pakistan is above board of all the allegeations until proven. Anyhow this was somewhat a nice article written by Harsha! Thanks for not being that much prejudiced and biased Indian like ECB, ICC, BCCI and the majority of your Indians. To me, the comments made by Indians against Pakistan team have always been entertaining and source of amusement and I smell jealousy out of them. They can never digest Pakistan's success/win in any field of life leaving cricket apart. Pakistani team has always been the most entertaining team in the world. A lobby is playing their nasty role to stain and tarnish the morale of Pakistani team as they deem this very team can do wonders at any time. The way Pakistan beat Australia and England proves the matchless talent of the Green Shirts.

  • on September 24, 2010, 12:05 GMT

    I just love pakistanis.... the entire world has seen the videos, and still they are asking for proofs.... after that, they trying to turn the argument into one about indian bookies.. indian bookies are the biggest (most influential) ones.... dont you just love them for their never say die attitude.... well pak fans i got news for you. ICC has no authority over bookies but it does have over cricketers.... boo hoo

  • reality_check on September 24, 2010, 12:05 GMT

    @bkraks21: "Indian cricketers dont need drugs to enhance thier capabilities. Grow up man." Could it be because Indian cricketers with powerfull backing of BCCI refuse to take drug tests or sign up to WADA code http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gordonfarquhar/2009/08/the_board_of_control_for.html ... Oh and I forgot to say, Pakistanis are living in denial. LOL.

  • LoveTheGame on September 24, 2010, 12:01 GMT

    People say no allegation has been proved...............baba not even a charge has been framed against any player.....non sense from Harsha and others.....completely biased and narrow minded

  • LoveTheGame on September 24, 2010, 11:57 GMT

    You are wrong Hrasha. It is in the interest of economic powers in the cricket not to have a challenger like Pakistan as their own sponsorships and viewing will be maintained only if their teams continue enjoy top rankings. Tedulkar can never win a sponsorsip of one billion rupees if India stands at number 8.

  • DeathRaider on September 24, 2010, 11:57 GMT

    Okk..first of all..Aamer is not a breast feeding baby.for god sake he's 18 ! And normal kids by 18, can identify good from the bad...and black from white! So stop defending him saying that he's just an innocent kid.When a player of Tendulkar's caliber still maintains that the game is bigger than the player, then who the hell is Aamer? Secondly, the bookies report to a man sitting in a bungalow located at Clifton, Karachi..and thirdly, Lalit Modi might have been involved in fund embezzlement for which he is being punished right now, but the best thing he did was to ban Pakistani players from playing the IPL.The IPL never got poorer because of the absence of Pakistani Players! So grow up! We need honest players to play this great game. And finally,Pakistan, don't be so obsessed with India.As a PROUD INDIAN, I can safely vouch that none of the ppl in this country even care what happens in ur backyard.It's always u who drag us in every little thing. Restore order in ur own house ! Tc.!

  • reality_check on September 24, 2010, 11:49 GMT

    @Saurabh Gupta: "let me remind you NOTW had solid proof". NOTW also had solid proof of Yasir Hameed "confessing" to everything and we all know how that was obtained and completely twisted to make it look like a court room confession. Try not to hang your claims on this "respected and honest" tabloid. LOL.

  • cricketlover_786 on September 24, 2010, 11:48 GMT

    well indian media should wake up..or get treated for their delusions of grandiosity..it has been reported today in the media all over the world that india bribed 72 nations 100,000 $ each to get CWG hosting... corruption at international level.. Corruption everywhere should be condemned and punished no matter which country..corruption in pak cricket is not even an iota of the scale of corruption in indian cricket board elections let alone whole indian cricket...ipl have been full of corruption..remember modi!!!

  • dmqi on September 24, 2010, 11:47 GMT

    I accept that Auatralia and India are the two best teams to watch now. But they have bigger responsibility too. The fact is they can get by violating rules or making rules as they wish.Someone mentioned a dozen violations here. The truth is rule applies for big money everywhere. As long as that will happen, justice can not be fully established. ICC should get rid of Izaz Butt, as he is the person to cause lot of troubles. But at the same time I support Andy Zaltman's blog in which he said Amir should not be banned. He is the bowler cricket world needs . If 30-35 years old cricketers can do unlawful things and are not punished at all why should a 18 year old kid should get a life ban as Mr Chapel, the under arm ball sender suggested?

    I think ICC is becoming a pocket organization with poor leadership. Do you agree Hersha?

  • VipulPatki on September 24, 2010, 11:45 GMT

    @Zahid Anwer: I hope you know what are you typing. Bookies headquarters may be in Mumbai but their head-honcho is in Pakistan. He is supposed to be in hiding. Even if bookies head-quarters are in Mumbai, the fact that the bookies find approaching Pakistani players easier says a lot about the latter's sense of morality. @Fasiy22: It was Asif (again!) who was caught with dopes and not Indian players. What rubbish arguments! Your fellow countrymen would be placed in a quandary reading your argument as to what is more worrisome. The mistakes of their cricketers or the stupidity of fans?

  • on September 24, 2010, 11:43 GMT

    The last sentence in the article is priceless !!

  • spbunty on September 24, 2010, 11:41 GMT

    Nice article from Harsha, but we indians should not give much importance to PCB n its players, as those (some of them) don't mind to ruin their country's image for money. in every wrong thing they do, they always want to bring india in it, its in their blood no one can't change it. so don't care abt this PCB and players, they have history of taking money and doping, even if the current players get banned, they will play for pak in 6 month. they all are liars.

  • on September 24, 2010, 11:40 GMT

    Harsha see the wiki on match fixing in cricket .You can find the list is ruled by indian and south african players? Do you have internet :D

  • tony-kat on September 24, 2010, 11:39 GMT

    Mr Bhogle ,i think we must be a little bit careful in our statements as we belong to the country where every third person is corrupt (according to some retired b-crat ).from BCCI to IPL we have all kind of controversies. kapil to amir everybody needs money.

  • stariq on September 24, 2010, 11:37 GMT

    Thanks Harsha for your advice. Did any member of PCB suggest Pakistan board is not going to punish if anyone proven guilty?? Please wait until investigation is concluded otherwise people are justified in calling articles like these as biased!!!!

  • reality_check on September 24, 2010, 11:36 GMT

    @bkraks21: You keep regurgitating the same line over and over that "Pak fans are in denial". Do you understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Have any of the three players been officially charged by the police? NO. Did ICC find any evidence of match fixing after 3rd ODI and Sun report BUT still issued a public statement accusing Pakistan? NO. Is anyone blaming ICC of living in denial? NO. Was IPL banned after all the corruption allegations (some proven some not)? NO. Were Indian fans living in denial when they threatened to call off the Aus/SA tour after Harbajan (racial slur) and Tendulkar (ball tampering) episode? If Indian fans are not in denial when supporting their team until charges are proven then the same applies for Pakistan fans. Try to think rationally without any "Pak obsession". Same goes for Mr Bhogle.

  • sm_imranshah on September 24, 2010, 11:29 GMT

    You are absolutely right Asif....I am against Match Fixing.....but what really annoys me is that people who are so seniors and intellect make such comment.....why can't you take this in your mind.....Harsha You, me and all other senior cricketers can't prove someone guilty of doing a crime, just because an allegation has been made against them, which could be true,....but i guess one should wait until its proven then you are right to say this. Living in a modern era and being called intellect hasn't done much to some people.....that's what i see....totally biased. Millions of people love fair cricket. If i was one of the cricketer banned and someone had made such comment against me i would have bashed him. I am not favoring someone and not discriminating either but yes humiliating someone's dignity by asking him to adopt another way of earning......is just horrific and just dont know what to call this....so people please stop making own judgements while its proven. Thanks

  • MercuryMan on September 24, 2010, 11:26 GMT

    Look in your own backyard Mr. Harsha. India's cricket is plagued with bookies. Besides NO ONE IS GUILTY UNLESS PROVEN GUILTY. So until that time please keep your comments to your own self.

  • reality_check on September 24, 2010, 11:22 GMT

    How nice of Mr Bhogle to "ask" Pak to join the fight in eradicating corruption while Indian fans here want Pak to be banned for good and this is ALL before anyone has been officially charged by the police. Wow... what a world we live in. Cricket in Pak is a passion and players effigies were burnt by the fans after the orginal NOTW report. No one wants to see corruption in cricket BUT just to lay ALL the blame on Pak is rediculous. Why doesn't Mr Bhogle "ask" ICC to mend it's ways as well. Why did Lorgat publicly accuse Pak after 3rd ODI without any evidence whatsoever. Pakistanis are NOT living in denial, we just want the level playing field. If you want to eradicate corruption from cricket then by all means go ahead BUT don't start/end with Pak go all the way if you can and have the will to do it.

  • umerlqt on September 24, 2010, 11:18 GMT

    I would say please shut your mouth until the investigations are completed.

  • Chris_P on September 24, 2010, 11:09 GMT

    Let's clear one small misconception. Player's DID NOT choose which team they wanted to play for. For whatever reason, it was deemed the IPL teams had first call on overseas players, ergo Victorian Captain Cameron White couldn't play for his own state. The formatting was totally ridiculous. Why weren't the final 2 games played at the same (like the Soccer World Cup) so that CSK & Lions played to win. Both teams did enough to qualify while understanding what was needed to keep Victoria out, Both Captains had a laugh and shook hands after the match as they knew how dangerous a side like Victoria was. The competition has to get itself more professional to get the credibility it craves, and instances such as this won't help.

  • ZA77 on September 24, 2010, 11:06 GMT

    Alex 400 and other guys only want to ban Pak. He said giving thief a chance for security representing his filthy mind for us who unable to see big picture. Scotland Yard should not searched players room without solid prove. Actually conspiracy is created to disturb Pak before world cup by disturbing openers and also bowling attack too. Whenever Pak have been to England, they started different controversies as per nature. For those who are arguing for life ban please tell what happened in case of Warne and Waugh as both had proved links with bookies. Then drug scandal of Warne and then also many sex scandals but there is no life ban on him and now everyone is trying to drag us in it. What about Lalit Modi, Mr. Bhogle due you have answer for IPL. Should it banned for always and now only life ban on us only why without any proof. So many players involved in match fixing, did ICC took any proper action against them. My answer is no.

  • Babu2288 on September 24, 2010, 11:04 GMT

    To all Pak fans, pls listen. Look at what Strauss/ECB have done when English players were accused by Ejaz Butt. Strauss refuted the charges. Eng players are demanding an apology or they will go to court. And look at what Pak players did when they were accused. Salman Butt faced media nervously. There has not been one statement strongly refuting the allegations. Only chants of "innocent until proven guilty", not only from Ejaz Butt/Pak High Commissioner but also from many Pakistanis, on Cricinfo & everywhere. Even if there was one strong statement, the Pak players wouldn't have lost respect. Now it is too late. I am sorry to say but I can't help but feel that Pak players were involved in spot-fixing. I am an aussie BTW. And before you say about Warne/Waugh, understand that those two pleaded guilty. So did Cronje/Gibbs. Can a Pak player ever do that, if really involved? No. Simply because your society will not let him live. Grow up guys and think logically. No use being in denial mode.

  • Amjad_Bukhari on September 24, 2010, 11:03 GMT

    mr. Surabh Gupta, if the videos of majeed r such a proof Y the scotland yard has not brought it into court even almost more than a month passed. bcz these videos r just fake, nothing was found from the players room and from their mobiles. Otherwise (if there have been some proves in case) Is Scotland Yard or England or even ICC has so much love for Pak or either Pakistan is super power and They (Scotland yard & ICC) r not taking any action. Oh boy be realistic, Scotland yard has not even made any report or proof to public. Y????. Pak team members were already under scanner and camera and yet they fixed 3rd ODI in Oval. ICC announced that they r doing investigations but after that nothing. it is only drama "THROW D MUD ON PAK PLAYERS AND GET THEM BUSY IN WASHING THAT MUD". No proof no further action and its always english media. just wait for Indian tour to England, dey will bring sm new story and every one will b surprised. No other media of cricketing Nations do that, only English

  • alphatruth on September 24, 2010, 11:02 GMT

    Enough is Enough. Its a gentleman's game. There is no place for criminals and thugs in it. We should ban Pakistan temporarily to clean up their cricket and come back fresh. Otherwise its going to infect everyone.

  • Ibaad1 on September 24, 2010, 10:58 GMT

    Our cricket board is to be blamed for the most part. As soon as the news broke out, PCB should have laid down the principle: "We take this issue very very seriously. We will conduct a swift and thorough inquiry. If the players are found guilty, they'd be punished 'appropriately', if found innocent, we'll go all out after the accusers." PCB was nowhere in the beginning, so ICC had to do something to save the fans' trust. Two things in this article that I disagree with: 1. Mr. Bogle seems absolutely convinced that the players are guilty even though the inquiry is still underway. (Maybe he knows something that I don't). 2. Making an example out of someone: Making an example out of someone would mean that some players would be unjustly punished very harshly so that no one else dares to go down that path. U can't start justice with injustice. Instead of being unjust to individuals for the greater good, what about the concerned authorities geting better at doing their jobs in the future!

  • spbunty on September 24, 2010, 10:56 GMT

    why to discuss abt pak crkt, everybody knows abt PCB and players, why should we Indians waste time on talking abt pak n players. even if the players are banned they will join the team in 1-2 years, and they don't follow the ICC rules and regulation when they want to retire and then come back for money, they always says if team needs me then i'll play for country, all nonsense, these are not professional sports persons, they don't mind to ruin the image of country for money.

  • bkraks21 on September 24, 2010, 10:54 GMT

    @Faisy22 - Another pakistani who enjoys pointing fingers at India. Sort out ur own mess first. Indian cricketers dont need drugs to enhance thier capabilities. Grow up man.

  • AhmadSaleem on September 24, 2010, 10:50 GMT

    People must shut up their mouths until the investigations are completed. Enough has been said by me

  • on September 24, 2010, 10:46 GMT

    The reason pak fans seem to be denying these matchfixing allegations is beacause the know that if a life ban is given to amir asif and butt then their side is going to be finished.secondly stop bringing India into the picture saying its india s fault how is it India s fault when ur own stupid players decide to sell themselves u pakistan fans ur just jealous becuz india is prospering and u guz r just getting worse and worse .ANd dont say that cricket cant survive without u ,cricket survived in the 80s and 70s without SA and it will survive without pathetic cheating pakistan players

  • chanakya1 on September 24, 2010, 10:38 GMT

    Dear Pakistan Cricket fans,

    I think I can understand how the whole world seems to be conspiring to put down Pakistan cricket at this time, but you have to put that feeling behind you and focus on what *you* would like to see and do about what just happened.

    Never mind what ICC wants to do, or the English media or ECB or Sharad Pawar or anyone else, for that matter.

    There is a lot of discussion about 'waiting till they're proven guilty' and 'they have not been charged'. This is mostly purposeful misdirection by cricket politicians trying to save their, er, butt, for want of a better word. There are some indisputable facts:

    - The videos of Mazhar Majeed (and Wahab Riaz) are real. - Mazhar Majeed really was the agent for a large number of pakistan players. His words carry weight. - It's very hard to ascribe a legal crime to spot-fixing, so its likely there will be no criminal procedure.

    However, do you want your team involved in spot-fixing? If not, what are you doing about it?

  • Paddle_Sweep on September 24, 2010, 10:36 GMT

    You have hit the bull's eye. PCB and all Pak cricketers should read and treat this article as Bible. You have certainly captured all key points so succintly. There is a clear video evidence of match fixing. It's high time that the players are punished so that it serves as a lesson for the future players of Pak. Let's do this for the welfare of Pak and World Cricket. Cheers

  • KiwiRocker- on September 24, 2010, 10:35 GMT

    Look reality is that Ijaz Butt's blame game is not worthy to comment but Butt does has a point when he says that Pakistan is being targeted. I heard Hayden on other day barking about how clean is Australian cricket. I mean this is the same guy who is desperate to play IPL for money. Why did not Australia ban Shane Warne and Mark Waugh when clearly they fixed matches? Aamir is accused (not guilty yet) of bowling no balls but Warne and Waugh actually provided more information. Now the real problem is actually in India. I know it may sound clichéd but Indians are also in the denial. IPL has ruined the cricket. It is hub of corruption. Look at Lalit Modi.ICC is a bunch of BCCI employed servants who are not willing to look into real match fixing satta market in India.India is losing everywhere because of IPL side affects. If you want to clean the game, start from India, be fair to all nations. Every board should apply same rules and ban anyone/everyone who is found guilty of match fixing!

  • k726 on September 24, 2010, 10:35 GMT

    Iam an Indian & In this time of crisis in the world cricket i hope BCCI supports PCB, as i accept the fact there seems to be lot of negative energy taking place in pakistan cricket, but having said that the kind of media bashing taking place non stop does make me think is all bad with pakistan cricket, or it has been taken to undesirable limits. ball tampering incident was nothing every one tampers the ball in the same manner that shoaib did , have u seen stuard broad collingwood do or have u not, when they do it is termed as cleaning the seam or removing dirt. regarding stamping on the ball it happens by misktake many times.

    I hope british tabloids gets some other news because for them sadly pakistan critcket team has left their shores.

  • DocSM on September 24, 2010, 10:32 GMT

    I genuinely hope somebody with a wise head stands up and clears all the mess. The strong worded media war against the personnel (or countries), be it be English or Pakistani is no justice until anything is proven. Involvement in same (or similar) sports crimes by South African, Indian, Australian and English players in the past did not, surprisingly, lead to a reaction of such a scale! Bottom line is, if your patient's leg is gangrenous then amputate it, but only once you've established the diagnosis. Killing the patient is NOT an option to cure the disease. Can I have the overenthusiastic columnists to think about it (but wisely). Wisdom comes by virtue and which, along with international diplomacy, requires us not point out at a country, but at the people involved. A criminal should be brought to justice, I don't care who Mr X, Y and Z from country A, B, and C. That is, after proven guilty by a court of law. It's NOT lawful and absolutely unacceptable to have judgments from laymen!

  • on September 24, 2010, 10:16 GMT

    Harsha i respect you as a journalist but this article isnt your greatest piece of work. In fact I consider it shabby as it does not address the wider problem. Citing the problem with Pakistan is only half of the problem. We all know the PCB needs to be dismantled and a fresh start with new individuals. We all know Amir,Asif, Butt and the others who if found guilty need to be banned for life. In short we know Pakistan needs to get its house in order......but that wont cure the problem of match and spot fixing.....in short it wont stop huge indian conglomerate bookies seeking to exploit and corrupt international cricketers, be they pakistani, west indian, australian or english. India needs to sort itself out and make a stand. every match fixing/spot fixing scandal whether it was the Hansie Cronje affair or the Aussie pitch tips affair has had the cancer of indian bookie money tainted all over it. The IPL too is not looked on without suspician in my country England.

  • Hammad_Aslam on September 24, 2010, 10:16 GMT

    I ask u one simple thing to all that can anyone prove that video is recorded before the incident ?

  • on September 24, 2010, 10:15 GMT

    90% of Match fixers are in India. ICC should start their investigation from there. The real reason of this making all controversies again Pakistan is to harm Pakistan cricket and Players. Pakistan is former T20 Champion and had many records in Cricket history. Whole of England Tour is designed to downgrade the moral of Pakistan Cricketers and let them isolated from International Cricket.

  • ana_ibrahim on September 24, 2010, 10:14 GMT

    wht would should be done to british media if allegations are proven wrong any guessing??? and wht abt the one sided umpring so called errors??? and what abt the decision to take dope test of paki crickers only??

  • ana_ibrahim on September 24, 2010, 10:11 GMT

    i am big fan of harsha, but this around his article is very dissapointing as far as match fixing is concern....Everybody this say do this do that to players, its been over a month not a single allegation is proved, both from scottland yard and icc regarding third one day, one is saying what to with englsih newspapers if the allegations are proved wrong, or the ppl who are invovled in it... if you noticed 90% of the umpiring decison were gone against pakistan that called umpiring errors, strass cheated in second one dayers, the dope test was take of only pakistani players...what do u say about that???

  • geetee10 on September 24, 2010, 10:07 GMT

    Well why are you wasting your time asking pakistan to join the fight Harsha. Comments from their supporters amply demonstrate that Pakistan is not going to put its house in order. I would say the cricketing world has been very generous in accomodating Pakistan, but that generosity has been repeatedly misused. The Pakistanis would continue to live in denial. Other countries have taken firm steps against suspect individuals (even modi considered powerful and mighty has been immediately removed and cases are on against him at first whiff of a scandal), but in Pakistan it is a standing joke that anyone banned would be taken back withim months if not days. All their bans and committees are only an eyewash to hoodwink the rest of the cricketing world.So Pakistanis have no right to comment against other countries. Everybody knows that betting is a cottage industry in Pakistan and the king of bookies resides in Karachi. It might not be a bad idea to ban pakistan for 3-5 years.

  • Asif_Iqbal on September 24, 2010, 9:42 GMT

    The people must shut their month untill investigation comleted

  • AnnaLenee on September 24, 2010, 9:28 GMT

    very very very interesting

  • cornertigers on September 24, 2010, 9:26 GMT

    Looks like people writing comments on here are so biased that they even forget the facts before comenting. if you think world of cricket are so concerned about rooting out match fixing then make honest decesions when you catch peple involved punish them regardless wheat country they from. But so far its not been the case when CHRIS LEWIS told ecb about 4 players involved in fixing what did ecb do about it i tell you what they done.. they told his county to chuck him out and also eliminate him from englands team poor guy settled down in west indies when he came back hes been done for drugs case. i'm sure lot of people will remember john holder the english umpire(he was west indian origin) when he reported gooch for ball tempering he never officiared again. reason because aus ind or eng dont want to ban their players regardless what they are involved in. if these so called responsible nations will behave in this manner what do you expect.

  • Faisy22 on September 24, 2010, 9:26 GMT

    Could not stop clapping for Harsha. How about removing the doping practices from cricket? How about Indian cricketers denying to follow WADA rules and regulations? Why only match fixing and spot fixing?

  • hasan.naveed1 on September 24, 2010, 9:13 GMT

    I am a real fan of Harsha. He and Sanjay are amongst the few commentators who are actually unbiased. Talks about banning Pakistan cricket and all of that are being done but I don't see the point here. Somewhere alone, a point is being missed here. Do we really want corruption to be eradicated from the game or just Pakistan to be removed? We are assuming that all the other teams are completely free of corruption. Keeping personal enmities aside, I believe if we look at the bigger picture, Pakistan has produced some great cricketers. Corruption is everywhere but banning Pakistan cricket is definately not the solution. Yes, I agree PCB has to take a firm step towards this and I do support life bans for those found guilty. I am also not at all impressed with the way Ijazz Butt has gone about with this whole incident. Pakistan cricket is going through a problem and we do need support from other cricketing nations to cope with it rather than them just blaming and critisizing us at all times.

  • on September 24, 2010, 9:08 GMT

    Nice article Harsha...unfortunately it doesn't suits you. you are taking onlly side of the picture as all the media and IIC is taking on the FIXING issue.. banning the players or PAK not gonna help CKT rather it worsen the situation !! remember as every one knows bookies headquarter is in INDIA not in PAKISTAN so i think organizing IPL or CLT20 or any other tournament in iNDIA will definately ruin the ckt so why not starts investigation from india instead of pakistan??? and ya surely CLT20 might b the good tournament but how could it be competitive without top 8 or 10 world's domestic teams playing in this said game..

  • on September 24, 2010, 8:44 GMT

    atleast we are n ot in denial of it..yes commenwealth is going to be a shame..but alteast we are not in deniall like most of u guys in here are..blaming indiA for evrydamn thing under the globe . indian cricketrs were banned ..and yes now...indian criketrs have enough money in there banks to resort for such kind of activites....u guyys need to grow out of this consiracy and blame game theory..ot u guys are going to be stuck there FOREVER.

  • on September 24, 2010, 8:35 GMT

    @Sidra Ali are you related to Ijaz Butt in some way ?? making accusations left , right n center 1. "ICC gets its share of black money" well where did that come from ? 2. "Mumbai is the headquarter of fixers" !! even if thats the case, ICC is not incharge of fixers / bookies but it is incharge of cricket, and PCB is one of its member bodies. if a player from PCB (or pakistan) is involved in fixing (spot or match) ICC has every right to act. 3. and why are you IPL into this. i thought pakistanis didnt care for it at all

    oh and before you reply let me remind you NOTW had solid proof (videos of majeed, pics of majeed / wahab and that jacket, money found in salman butt's room etc etc). so please bring some proof with your next accusations

  • on September 24, 2010, 8:30 GMT

    @Sidra Ali People may be staying in Mumbai, but they have links with some sinister groups in Pakistan. I hope you get what I mean.

  • bkraks21 on September 24, 2010, 8:27 GMT

    @drcardio1980 - The bookies and fixers are controlled by a very wanted man in India who sits in Karachi. Ring any bells? Of course you guys will deny everything.

  • bkraks21 on September 24, 2010, 8:27 GMT

    @drcardio1980 - The bookies and fixers are controlled by a very wanted man in India who sits in Karachi. Ring any bells? Of course you guys will deny everything.

  • Legionnaire on September 24, 2010, 8:27 GMT

    The one who is caught is the thief. One can speculate that there could be many others involved in spot/match fixing and surely there might be some definitely involved, but unless and untill they are caught, they can't be punished and the ones who are caught have to punished and can't be pardoned merely because there are some others who aren't caught.

  • bkraks21 on September 24, 2010, 8:25 GMT

    @ Bilal_Choudry - you are a classic example of Pakistani Denail. You guys should come out of it and accept the reality. You point finger at other countries but do not have any evidence. If video is not good enough evidence for you then nothing else would suffice. Some of you seeing Mr Doom Doom Afridi eating a ball supported him. Pakistan has great talents but they also posses talent in other areas like ball tampering. Shoaib was caught on camera in the last match. Why hasnt cricinfo reported it yet?

  • DMPK on September 24, 2010, 8:23 GMT

    The game of cricket is following the worldwide wrestling--everything is fixed, something everybody knows but everybody watches it.

  • rkannancrown on September 24, 2010, 8:18 GMT

    Is effective action really on the ICC agenda ? If so, there is a need to also study umpiring decisions. Ricky Ponting benefited greatly when several plumb LBW decisions were given in his favour. With correct decisions, Pakistan would have defeated Australia. Why is it that ICC always acts when there is suspicion related to Asian players but ignores clear evidence of the same involving white players ? Cricinfo acts as a mouthpiece for white players & teams - the racist bias in its comments and by its colimnists is too obvious. If ICC is serious about eradicating match fixing, it needs to study all aspects and be balanced in its actions - just going after Cricketters from the subcontinent will only hurt Cricket in the long run.

  • Legionnaire on September 24, 2010, 8:07 GMT

    Some of the Pakistani bloggers make me feel as if they are suffering from Schizophrenia. Floods in Pakistan - blame on India, Players caught cheating - blame on India, World cup taken away - blame on India, no teams want to tour Pakistan - blame on India. One can agree that bookies have a major set up in India, but how does that absolve Pakistani players from cheating? No one forced to take them money on gun point by the mafia as said by Pakistanies, they themselves decided to sell their country's honour. If indeed it is the case that they were forced to take money then why doesn't Pakistan police catch and reveal the mafia nexus? With regards to world cup taken away - how does any sane person realistically expect any team to tour Pakistan after terrorist attack on Sri Lanka? Finally regards to IPL situation. There is considerable hatred in India against Pakistanies especially after 26/11, no one wants to see Pak players on Indian soil, as simple as that, India is under no obligation.

  • on September 24, 2010, 8:04 GMT

    @Sidraali 100% agreed with you.

  • danney707 on September 24, 2010, 8:00 GMT

    I think you have a good point that Pakistan should join the battle. In case if you haven't noticed, Pakistan is with you in this battle. We will never tolerate the corruption and honestly its not PCB who is investigating about the spot fixing. Its Scotland Yard & ICC. If they have such a strong evidences then what are they waiting for? Why not just go ahead, put everything on the table and punish those culprits. Its not very difficult. Just get the video file from NOTW, check its created date. That should prove it. Remember it, once a video have been created, created date stays the same, only last modified date is updated based on any changes made to the file. Anyone belonging to computer sciences would know that because its standardized file system. The truth is, not one player have been charged yet and Scotland Yard have already handed over its investigation report to the prosecutor. Honestly I feel that NOTW wanted to do business and Pakistan is the easiest target.

  • Bilal_Choudry on September 24, 2010, 7:50 GMT

    harsha are you even considering the possibility that the accusations will not be proven? Lets say all this is not proved what then ? would you stop writing because you will have no moral authority left ... will ian botham shut up ... All i want from you is to be man enough to give up writing if turns out that all the charges were fabricated

  • MAK123 on September 24, 2010, 7:50 GMT

    One of the rare articles from Harsha Bhogle that is devoid of any "spin". Thanks for being a bit kind to Pakistan the country. One a different note, Ijaz Butt should be hanged from balls, if he has any.

  • Legionnaire on September 24, 2010, 7:46 GMT

    Pakistan needs to be careful over here, patriotism is the last resort of scoundral. Therefore, patriotism should be totally out of picture over here. I am sure there is enough cricketing talent in Pakistan to replace the tainted trio. Pakistan forced ICC to suspend these players because they themselves were unwilling to act against them. Now, either they should punish them or Pakistan should get ready to face suspension. The cricketing world will not be poorer without the likes of Amir, Asif and Butt, but cricketing world will definitely be poorer without Pakistan's attractive brand of cricket

  • on September 24, 2010, 7:46 GMT

    Harsha, the Champions League tournament is one that has no context whatsoever. Firstly, it is just another T20 competition in a list of gazillion other T20 competitions. Secondly, it has this weird concept of allowing players to choose which team they can represent in the event that two (or more) teams that a player represents are in the competition. Kieron Pollard who played for T&T in the first edition of CLT20, played for Mumbai Indians this time around! Every team in any sport builds its identity through its players. If the players are allowed to choose which team they would like to represent, how does a team build its identity? Your suggestion, even if it is just an eg, of allowing Sehwag to play for Bushrangers is just something that is just going to worsen the situation even more.

  • on September 24, 2010, 7:36 GMT

    It is a well known fact that match fixing has its roots in India and SA. According to Ehsam mani, Mumbai is the headquarters of the fixers yet ICC cannot or don't want to do anything about it . I tell you why. ICC has its share of black money that it gets while giving a green signal to events like IPL. Lalit Modi has already been removed because of this fixing stuff and those who know the details or inside stuff vouch for the fact that it is indeed an occasion to bet/get black money under the supervision of ICC ( An Australian newspaper has already reported that as many as 30 players may have been involved in it). On one hand you talk about banning those who bowl deliberate no balls and on the other hand you organize such malicious events in your own country . So if justice needs to be done, it has to be done at all levels,whether it includes banning someone or stopping the events like IPL to take place.Not to forget the trio is still innocent as no charges have been proved till yet

  • on September 24, 2010, 7:21 GMT

    @nomikshah you are just a modern day jaichand (dont know who he was, well he was your predecessor at the time of rajputs / mughals etc) India did not do anything against bucknor or hair but yes bucknor was blind as a bat in that sydney test. I know you are suffering from selective amnesia so you woulnt be remembering that. as for harbhajan, we all agree that he sledges but a complaint coming from aussies of all people.. you must be kidding, they are always the ones who start it (against any team) but this time they couldnt handle a retaliation... went crying like girls to the umpires.... about the sachin incident, he was cleared by the ICC processes/laws which you are so righteously harping on about. and for hair india didnt do a thing mate, it was PCB who had a grudge against him after ovalgate not india / BCCI

  • Cricket_Man on September 24, 2010, 7:10 GMT

    Why do people keep on commenting on this issue in such a manner, when nothing is proven. Pakistan is doing the right thing by supporting its players as they are still innocent. It's a really sensitive issue. My question is will these people giving their opinions apologise to the players if they aren't proven guilty. If they aren't proven guilty such comments will torture them mentally throughout their remaining careers. Its a matter of ones bread and butter. Allegations can be hurled at anyone but that doesn't mean they are true. Such comments should only be made when fixing is proven. Therefore, these comments, at this stage can only be made by people who are so silly that they dont realize how sensitive this issue is or they are a part of a conspiracy against Pakistani cricket.

  • drcardio1980 on September 24, 2010, 7:08 GMT

    India is the home of bookies & fixers.This is a biased world,why Mark Waugh,Shane Warne,Gibbs,Nicky Boje were not life banned when they were in the hands of fixers & Mr.Bhogle is picking on a kid.Salman Butt should be given maximum punishment if found guilty because he was captain & may have pressurised others.Champions league is rubbish as IPL.

  • Meety on September 24, 2010, 6:59 GMT

    @Neutral Fan - I agree, what a joke that programming prevented the Poms from sending sides. The ICC needs to pull their finger out & prioritise the Champions League ahead of the Champions Trophy - which is a waste of time on a busy calender. Why on Earth 3 IPL sides? The Champions League needs to have a better spread of teams; 2 Oz, 2 IPL, 2 SA, 2 Eng, 1 Pak, 1 SL, 1 NZ, 1 WI, 1 Zim, 1 Bang. Players must play for their countries franchise first before other afiliations.

  • Meety on September 24, 2010, 6:50 GMT

    Good article Harsha. @Alexk400 - banning Pakistan would be bad for world cricket. Just remember the alleagations by NOTW is not proven beyond reasonable doubt, (I think the evidence is pretty dammning though). Pakistan is a great team to watch, & I think we all would be poorer in their absence. @SZee - you have avery right to go along the lines of "he who is free from sin caste the first stone" - but IMHO - the article is not biased & Pakistan is not being made a scapegoat. There are very tangible links with persons who sit on the periphery of Pak cricket that need to be investigated. Pakistan have no system for players to air concerns or disclose overtures from dodgy charactors. Other countries have clear guidelines & policies. @Geeva - I agree. I don't believe that 3 IPL teams should qualify for the Champions League. I may get proven wrong an Indian team wins - but will that be because of the imports? Also where were the Poms?

  • VipulPatki on September 24, 2010, 6:45 GMT

    Harsha in one of his earlier articles had lamented about the fact that a die-hard cricket kid from Karachi won't be able to see any cricket matches in a nearby stadium, eating a sandwich his Mother packed for him. It's sad indeed to notice the metamorphosis of that "kid" from a cricket-loving fan to an angry, young, irascible man; A man who raises irrelevant arguments instead of listening to anybody; who blames every and any tragedy on India; A man who's filled with so much hatred that I wonder how he finds time to do other activities at all.

    @nomikshah: Name one of the issues you mentioned that could be labeled illegal. Arm-twisting?Yes. Deplorable and condemnable? Definitely yes. Illegal and criminal? No.

  • Farce-Follower on September 24, 2010, 6:28 GMT

    Harsha, just like the Church was in denial about Evolution and the Sun being at the centre, Pakistan and its fans will be in denial about Match Fixing, Tampering and the like. Please do not waste your time on such an effort.

  • ehkhan on September 24, 2010, 6:28 GMT

    I don't really understand this. I would totally agree with Harsha if the players had been charged with the crime however uptil now nothing has happened. People should not be giving verdict on the media unless things have been proved. I haven't seen one person on the Media saying that this controversy should not be discussed unless it is already proved. Let Scotland Yard and ICC deal with it with pressure of the Media.

    Also the evidences. how would one know that the video was filmed before or after the match? Who is the 21st Center places money on the table and counts it whereas he claims that he has many Swiss bank accounts.. can't he put the money there? very stupid of a bookie doing it.. huh? and where has he disappeared now? Something doesn't seem right. No charges have been pressed against any player and ICC suspends them?

    I don't want to live in a world of denial but sense should prevail and the justice should be carried out without any pressure from the media or the boards

  • jk2010 on September 24, 2010, 6:26 GMT

    Reading the comments by the Pakistani supporters makes me wonder whether they are even on the same planet as the rest of us. Conspiracy against Pakistan? Do you guys realize that the Brits bent over backward to create "home" conditions for you? Do you realize that Australia decided to play you guys in England to ensure that you get a test series? Do you realize how much goodwill supporters from other countries gave you guys when you played well and competed? When will you guys take responsibility? Your guys accepted the bribe. They need to pay the price for the future of cricket. End of story. This has nothing to do with power or politics. When Indian cricketers were caught there were banned -- including senior players. Even the once powerful Modi is out of the scene. That is the way it should be. And I agree with Alexk400. Until Pakistanis sort things out, and have the integrity to say that a few of their cricketers were dishonest, the rest of the world should now boycott them.

  • MsAmber on September 24, 2010, 6:12 GMT

    I do not know much about conspiracy, but it seems I'm experiencing prejudice first hand. the players have *not* yet been found guilty. Scotland yard has *no* evidence. they confiscated the players' cash, their cells and interrogated them. Are you all prepared to eat the humble pie and apologize if they are not guilty? Can't you at least wait till something is proven?I don't get it... all this because of a tabloid? the tabloid which specializes in bribing even *princesses* and creating scandals? If that is not prejudice I do not know what is! Isn't it *innocent until proven guilty*?? Or have the rules changed for us? Please wait till the investigation is over- and i hope they finish it soon instead of dragging it like they are. they have put cricketers' careers on hold! and losing players like Amir is *effecting* our teams' strength.

  • on September 24, 2010, 6:10 GMT

    I think Harsha is absolutely right. But as it happens, everything is in hands of the people sitting at the top and nothing in the hands of cricket fans. It might end up in life bans or may be someone is proved not guilty at all. We can never know what is going on behind scenes. May be every match is fixed.... who know???

  • thenkabail on September 24, 2010, 6:01 GMT

    Why is ICC quite?: In crisis situation you need leadership. But what can you expect from people like Sharad Pawar. He is a dirty politician. Such people have no place in great game of cricket. Haroon Rashid the ICC CEO has done some good. But, this match fixing crisis is a wake up call. ICC must put strong anti-corruption\anti-match fixing unit. it should work secretively and bring to book anyone guilty. Pakistan has been disgusting to say the least. Most of their players lack character. Show no sympathy. Actually people like Kamran Akmal are heavily involved. I even suspect Mr. Ijaz Butt. He appears like a crook. Game of cricket ought to be clean. Please kick out all these dirty characters. No sympathy whatsoever. One need to go back and ask, how a master fixer like Azharuddin is an Indian MP. He should be serving a jail sentence. Here is a deal for all match fixers: (a) life ban, (b) erase records, (c) confiscate ill gotten wealth, and (d) a jail term.

  • on September 24, 2010, 5:35 GMT

    It is sad to see this writer's metamorphosis from a knowledgable & forthright cricket lover to a propaganda machine for all things India. Would cricket be richer without someone like Aamer? If this is his first crime, if indeed there is something more solid against him than accusation from a newspaper that will sell its grandmother for a dime, should he be punished by 'lif time ban' (which would be like sending a 14 year old to the guilotine)? Would the youngsters be more motivated by the sight of one of the most talented bowlers of a generation being banished for a crime in which he might have been an unknowing accomplice or would they rather want someone who was mislead at first but then came back to mend his ways and make a successful career? These are the questions that a neutral observer should be asking.....not handing out life sentences!

  • on September 24, 2010, 5:34 GMT

    No one is bigger than the game. But when we talk about justice, the punishment will always be decieded in relation to the crime. So, we would need to wait and see to what extent is each player is invloved and see what punishments are handed over. It could range from a six month ban to a life time ban, so be it.

  • on September 24, 2010, 5:33 GMT

    Yes, I agree with Harsha that Pakistan should join. but i will also say that BCCI should be joined too. Harsah remembered the Justic Qayyum Report but forgot the Lalit Modi's dissmissal as commissioner of IPL because of corruption and fixing plus paid money to Gerald Majola. Everybody should be united against Match fixing. nothing is proved on Pakistanis yet but they are treated more than criminals but those who are proved (Lalit Modi+IPL fixing) are being treated like Pious and noble. here i condemn the remarks of Mr.Butt who is eating Pakistan cricket like a cancer. work should be done from all sides not from Pakistan only. also if a newspaper says something without proof then sanity should prevail (THE SUN) not hafty action to probe a match which was won by a team. you can lose match by will but can't win by will only. so even after winning Pakistanis shouldn't be pointed again.

  • nomikshah on September 24, 2010, 5:08 GMT

    Definitely. The players where ever they are from mus be slapped with bans, after they have been proven to have erred. This should not be worked on whims and playing to the gallery.

    And while Mr. Bhogle is at it for the betterment of cricket, would he care to explain 1. India's tactics of getting rid of Buckner; was it according to the ICC rules? 2. ICC getting rid of Hare; Did he commit an offence or did India just force him out too? 3. India threatening to call off Aus tour if Harbajhan was punished;verdict: no racist comments by Harbajhan. was it within ICC laws? 4. Sachin charged with ball tampering in SA, India again threaten to call tour off, SA refuse to let the series go, ICC declares the match unofficial but it still went ahead. End result: Dennis Amiss booted out. Was it within ICC laws?

  • Geeva on September 24, 2010, 5:02 GMT

    The point of the champions league was to see which domestiv team is the best t20.Lets face the IPL teams are not that good,if they didnt have there overseas professionals.The SA teams and Aus teams are all made up of local players.I would love to see where the 2011 version of this tournament is to be staged cause next years fixtures are congested.

  • Dilbar786 on September 24, 2010, 4:48 GMT

    Are you kidding me??"conspiracy" ......we loose it's spot fixing and if we win it's match fixing.Also, banning players without proven guilty.No cricket in pakistan...no world cup matches in pakistan....no Pakistani players in IPL....answer to all those points.....conspiracy

  • on September 24, 2010, 4:48 GMT

    Harsha for "Bharat-Ratna" for exemplary articles and journalisam or even a Nobel Prize...!

  • SZee on September 24, 2010, 4:45 GMT

    Again. Nothing has been proven so far. Why is everyone so biased just like yourself Harsha....disappointing. Even if it is proved than I would find it extremely HARD to believe that it is only the Pakistanis who are doing it. I must say that this evil (if it exists) is by no means confined to Pakistan only - no way. All the bookies are based Or have connections to India and many other Australians / South Africans and others have been actually punished (life ban or otherwise) for similar such incidents inthe past. I think Pakistan is indeed being made ascapegoat to prevent the 'super powers' of Cricket from a bad word of mouth....Pakistan management does not help its own cause and is being run very poorly but that doesnt mean that 'others' are clean like an angel. Pakistan is the distraction to save the and keep the eyes off other major problems and possible culprits.

  • Alexk400 on September 24, 2010, 4:40 GMT

    i would ban pakistan cricket for 5 years minimum. Simple as that. if you allow pakistan to continue to part of ICC like asking thief to take care of bank security. Only fool will allow pakistan to be part of ICC if pakistan do not follow strict policies on spot fixing and ban all those 3 players for life with no parole. That will be the best warning to anyone even attempt secretly.

    Instead screaming conspiracy , PCB look inwards.

    if you ask me PCB will continue to turn the face other side and let all kind of corruption continue. The best solution is ban pakistan cricket for 5 years.

    Or Imran khan take over of PCB and life ban for those 3 +1

  • anreddy9 on September 24, 2010, 3:30 GMT

    As always, Harsha does a great job writing about cricket. Even though he lets out facts (most of which is depressing), his style of expressing the same gives a feeling of hope (interlaced with plenty of humor like fixing the CWG taps and roofs). And, I believe, that is what sets apart a good writer from the bad. Glad we have people like Harsha in the world of sports!

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on September 24, 2010, 3:26 GMT

    I do hope that Pak don't defend their guilty and significant 5+ yr bans r handed out due to the DEGREE OF INVOLVEMENT. The ringleaders should get life bans.I agree that they should allow other "big names" to join the weaker sides in CL BUT if Harsha and a few others think that Punjab Kings XI and KKR would have done much better than The Sri Lankan side, Districts and Guyana, I suspect they still have hangover from IPL or just blind. CL IS A NOTCH HIGHER THAN IPL! Just the general fielding alone tells u that. It just doesn't get the viewership and hype...for obvious reasons and it is time persons just come out and admit it completely. Had the English teams been present this yr like last yr, the standard of the tourney would obviously have been even higher.

  • pakrocksforever on September 24, 2010, 3:20 GMT

    Asha Good Thoughts but.... Why not write an article telling ICC and the law enforcing agencies to WRITE LETTER TO INDIA TO MAKE SURE THAT SHINNING INDIA DOESNT EXPORT CRIME and CORRUPTION IN CRICKET and HOW ABOUT ALSO PUTTING A LIFE BAN ON INDIAN PLAYERS WHO WERE INVOVLED IN MATCH FIXING AND SOUTH AFRICAN PLAYERS AS WELL....

    I hope you are intelligent enough that next time article shold be written by first doing your very own accountability especially where the root cause of the problem is.......

    Please concentrate on hosting common wealth games .... please save yourselves some dignity by make well engineered pedestrian bridges.....

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  • pakrocksforever on September 24, 2010, 3:20 GMT

    Asha Good Thoughts but.... Why not write an article telling ICC and the law enforcing agencies to WRITE LETTER TO INDIA TO MAKE SURE THAT SHINNING INDIA DOESNT EXPORT CRIME and CORRUPTION IN CRICKET and HOW ABOUT ALSO PUTTING A LIFE BAN ON INDIAN PLAYERS WHO WERE INVOVLED IN MATCH FIXING AND SOUTH AFRICAN PLAYERS AS WELL....

    I hope you are intelligent enough that next time article shold be written by first doing your very own accountability especially where the root cause of the problem is.......

    Please concentrate on hosting common wealth games .... please save yourselves some dignity by make well engineered pedestrian bridges.....

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on September 24, 2010, 3:26 GMT

    I do hope that Pak don't defend their guilty and significant 5+ yr bans r handed out due to the DEGREE OF INVOLVEMENT. The ringleaders should get life bans.I agree that they should allow other "big names" to join the weaker sides in CL BUT if Harsha and a few others think that Punjab Kings XI and KKR would have done much better than The Sri Lankan side, Districts and Guyana, I suspect they still have hangover from IPL or just blind. CL IS A NOTCH HIGHER THAN IPL! Just the general fielding alone tells u that. It just doesn't get the viewership and hype...for obvious reasons and it is time persons just come out and admit it completely. Had the English teams been present this yr like last yr, the standard of the tourney would obviously have been even higher.

  • anreddy9 on September 24, 2010, 3:30 GMT

    As always, Harsha does a great job writing about cricket. Even though he lets out facts (most of which is depressing), his style of expressing the same gives a feeling of hope (interlaced with plenty of humor like fixing the CWG taps and roofs). And, I believe, that is what sets apart a good writer from the bad. Glad we have people like Harsha in the world of sports!

  • Alexk400 on September 24, 2010, 4:40 GMT

    i would ban pakistan cricket for 5 years minimum. Simple as that. if you allow pakistan to continue to part of ICC like asking thief to take care of bank security. Only fool will allow pakistan to be part of ICC if pakistan do not follow strict policies on spot fixing and ban all those 3 players for life with no parole. That will be the best warning to anyone even attempt secretly.

    Instead screaming conspiracy , PCB look inwards.

    if you ask me PCB will continue to turn the face other side and let all kind of corruption continue. The best solution is ban pakistan cricket for 5 years.

    Or Imran khan take over of PCB and life ban for those 3 +1

  • SZee on September 24, 2010, 4:45 GMT

    Again. Nothing has been proven so far. Why is everyone so biased just like yourself Harsha....disappointing. Even if it is proved than I would find it extremely HARD to believe that it is only the Pakistanis who are doing it. I must say that this evil (if it exists) is by no means confined to Pakistan only - no way. All the bookies are based Or have connections to India and many other Australians / South Africans and others have been actually punished (life ban or otherwise) for similar such incidents inthe past. I think Pakistan is indeed being made ascapegoat to prevent the 'super powers' of Cricket from a bad word of mouth....Pakistan management does not help its own cause and is being run very poorly but that doesnt mean that 'others' are clean like an angel. Pakistan is the distraction to save the and keep the eyes off other major problems and possible culprits.

  • on September 24, 2010, 4:48 GMT

    Harsha for "Bharat-Ratna" for exemplary articles and journalisam or even a Nobel Prize...!

  • Dilbar786 on September 24, 2010, 4:48 GMT

    Are you kidding me??"conspiracy" ......we loose it's spot fixing and if we win it's match fixing.Also, banning players without proven guilty.No cricket in pakistan...no world cup matches in pakistan....no Pakistani players in IPL....answer to all those points.....conspiracy

  • Geeva on September 24, 2010, 5:02 GMT

    The point of the champions league was to see which domestiv team is the best t20.Lets face the IPL teams are not that good,if they didnt have there overseas professionals.The SA teams and Aus teams are all made up of local players.I would love to see where the 2011 version of this tournament is to be staged cause next years fixtures are congested.

  • nomikshah on September 24, 2010, 5:08 GMT

    Definitely. The players where ever they are from mus be slapped with bans, after they have been proven to have erred. This should not be worked on whims and playing to the gallery.

    And while Mr. Bhogle is at it for the betterment of cricket, would he care to explain 1. India's tactics of getting rid of Buckner; was it according to the ICC rules? 2. ICC getting rid of Hare; Did he commit an offence or did India just force him out too? 3. India threatening to call off Aus tour if Harbajhan was punished;verdict: no racist comments by Harbajhan. was it within ICC laws? 4. Sachin charged with ball tampering in SA, India again threaten to call tour off, SA refuse to let the series go, ICC declares the match unofficial but it still went ahead. End result: Dennis Amiss booted out. Was it within ICC laws?

  • on September 24, 2010, 5:33 GMT

    Yes, I agree with Harsha that Pakistan should join. but i will also say that BCCI should be joined too. Harsah remembered the Justic Qayyum Report but forgot the Lalit Modi's dissmissal as commissioner of IPL because of corruption and fixing plus paid money to Gerald Majola. Everybody should be united against Match fixing. nothing is proved on Pakistanis yet but they are treated more than criminals but those who are proved (Lalit Modi+IPL fixing) are being treated like Pious and noble. here i condemn the remarks of Mr.Butt who is eating Pakistan cricket like a cancer. work should be done from all sides not from Pakistan only. also if a newspaper says something without proof then sanity should prevail (THE SUN) not hafty action to probe a match which was won by a team. you can lose match by will but can't win by will only. so even after winning Pakistanis shouldn't be pointed again.