India's debacle in Australia January 15, 2012

'A lot of soul-searching needs to be done'

ESPNcricinfo staff
After India's seventh consecutive overseas Test defeat, throats were cleared for some angry shouting
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"I think a lot of soul-searching needs to be done. We need to look at first-class cricket structure, pitches that we play, scheduling of matches, it has to be a really long hard look at everything."
Sunil Gavaskar on the way ahead

"The last time India was in Perth was the start of India's rise to the No. 1 ranking. This time we have lost the last seven away games. In the first meeting I attended as captain of India, the first question I asked was do we have a transition plan for all the senior players? The answer then was: yes we have ready replacements."
Anil Kumble on how the plan to bring in youngsters never materialised

"There are many reasons for Indian team's disappointing performance in Australia. Some players are ageing and they have been so good for over a period of time but at 39 they are no longer young for Test cricket."
Sourav Ganguly speaks of one contributing factor to India's loss

"I think MS Dhoni has a habit of staying back and waiting for things to happen. I think we need to look for a new captain for Test matches."
Maninder Singh, the former India spinner, says changes need to be made at the very top

"When Tendulkar and Dravid and those boys retire in a couple of years, where is Indian cricket going to be. Are the youngsters coming through?"
Australian opener David Warner is perhaps mindful of Australia's badly handled transition

"The selectors need to choose players carefully keeping in mind the players who can adjust to conditions, can change their game according to the pace and bounce outside even if they haven't scored enough runs in domestic cricket. We need to progress step by step. Dhoni's batting is a concern, he is low in confidence and it is affecting his captaincy but we should not take any drastic step."
Sanjay Manjrekar warns against sweeping changes

"India will prob have one of those "reviews". These are their best players but they can't handle pace. Solution: pitches at home."
Former England captain and current commentator David Lloyd has some advice for Indian batsmen

"They (BCCI) are doing extremely well when it comes to making money and controlling world cricket. But what is the use if your team fails to win matches abroad?"
Kapil Dev goes after the Indian board

"Sachin is getting out to balls frequently coming back into him. Laxman and Sehwag are giving catches in the slip cordon regularly and even Dravid is getting bowled repeatedly. All sad signs of diminishing class of these great players."
Former India captain Nari Contractor thinks the time is up for India's Big Three

"Pre-IPL and under Ganguly with a similar team India won in England and drew in Aussie. Had plenty of fight back then! Where has it gone?"
Thought-provoking question tweeted by former England captain Michael Vaughan

"I am saying this with a heavy heart, but once the IPL comes around in April, every Test defeat will be forgotten."
Could that be a silver lining or just more gloomy predictions from Bishan Bedi?

"I don't think the Aussies bowling attack was unplayable as was the case in the past. I don't think someone like Peter Siddle is like that. They are essentially length bowlers. In a way, we let the Australian bowlers come on top of us which I don't feel they deserve to be."
Farokh Engineer, the former India keeper, isn't giving credit to the Australian bowlers for inflicting the massive defeats

"Indian cricket's problem is not much shortage of talent as self-delusion. Being the richest in the world is not necessarily synonymous with the best. Building a truly great team needs long-term vision, rigorous planning, strong leadership and some luck with the right talent coming together at the same time."
Journalist Ayaz Memon on India's problems

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  • MumbaiKarnatakaFan on January 18, 2012, 17:40 GMT

    All the so-called experts now jump in with their views. Where were they few months back? The seniors didn't age in few months. I heard Ganguly some months back saying that seniors should retire when they feel like. Talk of hypocrisy. Gavaskar making comments on TV channels that India's tour had a poor schedule as we don't play between tests. Didn't he see this earlier. Hindsight is always good. We are fickle supporters so lets not get swayed with this words of "wisdom" from the so-called experts. I would rather listen to Aakash Chopra speak. Anyway I feel Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar should retire on their own and would be nice if they take the opportunity in the final test.

  • cricsuhail on January 17, 2012, 19:38 GMT

    Bedi nailed it! IPL is the best thing that has happened for players for many reasons. Most importantly it helps people mix class and crass. leaders and cheerleaders.. so for sure we people will forget and forgive these aussie ridicule.

  • stormy16 on January 17, 2012, 17:40 GMT

    Ayaz Memon captures reality while others are jumping at shadows and looking for scapegoats. India took the right gamble in sticking with the senior players in an affort to combat an inexperienced Aus attack but they have been blown away and lost out but that's part of the deal. There was no India would have gone to Aus with young guys in the batting. The batting has been awfully dissappointing to say the least but they took the right approach and it didnt payoff. Its nothing to do with the IPL, Dhoni or anything else. However, its time to move on and surely the big three are all on their last overseas tours given there are no more for the next two years.

  • popcorn on January 17, 2012, 14:08 GMT

    Did you notice that NOBODY in India dares to ask Sachin Tendulkar to retire? Why? Is he very young?

  • on January 17, 2012, 11:37 GMT

    I fully agree, Bedi has hit nail on the Indian Cricket coffin- RIP. For a long time Indian cricket is ruled by the factions and favoritism, this hasn't helped Indian cricket. IPL yes the players made lots of money and organiser made even more money but it has not benefited Cricket. It is time Indian cricket take a hard look and learn from Australia AND DECIDE PLAYERS BASED ON PERFORMANCE rather than on paper. It is time to rest the so called legends( in their own minds only) and bring new blood. I have never seen a team getting demolished they way Australia did to India. Those so called batsman should be ashamed of the way they played.

  • dunger.bob on January 17, 2012, 9:36 GMT

    @criclover999: "Only Sachin Tendulkar has kept my interest in cricket the day my childhood hero retires cricket will die for me ." /n Well then, your name is actually a misnomer. You are not a cricket lover at all, you are a hero worshipper. You would be better off following another sport because your man is on the way out. Good luck with your vicarious lifestyle.

  • letsputasmileonthatface on January 17, 2012, 9:27 GMT

    @Chris_Howard: Greatest mysteries of life

  • letsputasmileonthatface on January 17, 2012, 9:18 GMT

    Lloyd was bang on! Change pitches in India. Ask the youngsters to keep bowling 100 balls everyday at 150 KPH and the batsmen to practice 100 bouncers at 150 KPH.. Later they can specialize into swing bowling.. BCCI definitely has the money to do this.. as for people, there are millions..

    Groom from birth :)

  • Gizza on January 17, 2012, 8:43 GMT

    Best comments are from Kapil Dev, David Lloyd and Bedi. Also Maninder Singh makes a good point about Dhoni's passivity and Kumble's point about transition is interesting. The main things to change for India: 1. Home pitches (Make some not all more lively for fast bowlers in Ranji), 2. Cut down on IPL/Increase importance of Ranji and County Cricket, 3. Scheduling of matches (To be best in the world more important than money) 4. Performance not brand/past reputation (when selecting team - who coined the stupid "Big Four" thing anyway) 5. Market up the away tours more than home series or World Cup or IPL - this is what real Indian cricket fans want success in. NOW, out of these five things I think only one or two MAX will come to fruition (and that too very slowly if at all) because the BCCI is well... better suited to be a political party than a cricket board.

  • on January 17, 2012, 5:58 GMT

    Everybody asking to change captain.Ok who is the replace ment ?Before that what will be the next tes team?One thing sure Kohli and Rrohith are going to be the batting nucleus of the future indian team.Pujara and Raina also will be there i hope.Kohli is good as captain but he need time.I think BCCI should think Sourav Ganguli as Coach and Virat as Captain and rebuild the team.Mukundu,Dinesh Karthik,Rahane,Pujara,Kohli,Rohith Irfan,Yadav,Aaron/Ishanth,Ohja/Aswin/Rahul sharama.Raina,Jadeja,Praveen Kumar,M Vijay will complete the 15 squad

  • MumbaiKarnatakaFan on January 18, 2012, 17:40 GMT

    All the so-called experts now jump in with their views. Where were they few months back? The seniors didn't age in few months. I heard Ganguly some months back saying that seniors should retire when they feel like. Talk of hypocrisy. Gavaskar making comments on TV channels that India's tour had a poor schedule as we don't play between tests. Didn't he see this earlier. Hindsight is always good. We are fickle supporters so lets not get swayed with this words of "wisdom" from the so-called experts. I would rather listen to Aakash Chopra speak. Anyway I feel Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar should retire on their own and would be nice if they take the opportunity in the final test.

  • cricsuhail on January 17, 2012, 19:38 GMT

    Bedi nailed it! IPL is the best thing that has happened for players for many reasons. Most importantly it helps people mix class and crass. leaders and cheerleaders.. so for sure we people will forget and forgive these aussie ridicule.

  • stormy16 on January 17, 2012, 17:40 GMT

    Ayaz Memon captures reality while others are jumping at shadows and looking for scapegoats. India took the right gamble in sticking with the senior players in an affort to combat an inexperienced Aus attack but they have been blown away and lost out but that's part of the deal. There was no India would have gone to Aus with young guys in the batting. The batting has been awfully dissappointing to say the least but they took the right approach and it didnt payoff. Its nothing to do with the IPL, Dhoni or anything else. However, its time to move on and surely the big three are all on their last overseas tours given there are no more for the next two years.

  • popcorn on January 17, 2012, 14:08 GMT

    Did you notice that NOBODY in India dares to ask Sachin Tendulkar to retire? Why? Is he very young?

  • on January 17, 2012, 11:37 GMT

    I fully agree, Bedi has hit nail on the Indian Cricket coffin- RIP. For a long time Indian cricket is ruled by the factions and favoritism, this hasn't helped Indian cricket. IPL yes the players made lots of money and organiser made even more money but it has not benefited Cricket. It is time Indian cricket take a hard look and learn from Australia AND DECIDE PLAYERS BASED ON PERFORMANCE rather than on paper. It is time to rest the so called legends( in their own minds only) and bring new blood. I have never seen a team getting demolished they way Australia did to India. Those so called batsman should be ashamed of the way they played.

  • dunger.bob on January 17, 2012, 9:36 GMT

    @criclover999: "Only Sachin Tendulkar has kept my interest in cricket the day my childhood hero retires cricket will die for me ." /n Well then, your name is actually a misnomer. You are not a cricket lover at all, you are a hero worshipper. You would be better off following another sport because your man is on the way out. Good luck with your vicarious lifestyle.

  • letsputasmileonthatface on January 17, 2012, 9:27 GMT

    @Chris_Howard: Greatest mysteries of life

  • letsputasmileonthatface on January 17, 2012, 9:18 GMT

    Lloyd was bang on! Change pitches in India. Ask the youngsters to keep bowling 100 balls everyday at 150 KPH and the batsmen to practice 100 bouncers at 150 KPH.. Later they can specialize into swing bowling.. BCCI definitely has the money to do this.. as for people, there are millions..

    Groom from birth :)

  • Gizza on January 17, 2012, 8:43 GMT

    Best comments are from Kapil Dev, David Lloyd and Bedi. Also Maninder Singh makes a good point about Dhoni's passivity and Kumble's point about transition is interesting. The main things to change for India: 1. Home pitches (Make some not all more lively for fast bowlers in Ranji), 2. Cut down on IPL/Increase importance of Ranji and County Cricket, 3. Scheduling of matches (To be best in the world more important than money) 4. Performance not brand/past reputation (when selecting team - who coined the stupid "Big Four" thing anyway) 5. Market up the away tours more than home series or World Cup or IPL - this is what real Indian cricket fans want success in. NOW, out of these five things I think only one or two MAX will come to fruition (and that too very slowly if at all) because the BCCI is well... better suited to be a political party than a cricket board.

  • on January 17, 2012, 5:58 GMT

    Everybody asking to change captain.Ok who is the replace ment ?Before that what will be the next tes team?One thing sure Kohli and Rrohith are going to be the batting nucleus of the future indian team.Pujara and Raina also will be there i hope.Kohli is good as captain but he need time.I think BCCI should think Sourav Ganguli as Coach and Virat as Captain and rebuild the team.Mukundu,Dinesh Karthik,Rahane,Pujara,Kohli,Rohith Irfan,Yadav,Aaron/Ishanth,Ohja/Aswin/Rahul sharama.Raina,Jadeja,Praveen Kumar,M Vijay will complete the 15 squad

  • Jaggadaaku on January 17, 2012, 5:44 GMT

    Dhoni, if you really thinking what really needs the best interest of the country is, you would have quit playing tests long time ago. You, Sehwag, Gambhir, and Sachin only thinking about your ads business on the field and off the field. Otherwise you all are very good in ODIs, then why not in tests? Why everybody blaming the seniors? What Dhoni has done as a captain or as a role model? Australian captain made 329* with over 65 strike rate. Dhoni didn't even blast a single century, and always got out under 5 runs when the country really needed at-least half century from him. Ravichandran Ashwin always makes more runs than some of the batsmen including Dhoni of Indian team and dropped him in test saying this pitch is only for fast bowlers. If the captain becomes "Chhakka", the whole team become "Chhakka" in no time. Dhoni always put a bowler aside even if he grabbed 3 wickets in his first spell and give chance to grab to other bowlers like in ODIs where overs are limited. Stupid!!!

  • vijaykoganti on January 17, 2012, 5:23 GMT

    Dhoni is the successful captain as far as i see the history of Indian cricket, he made us(indians) proud of our cricket, won the world-cup every one was dreaming about from 28yrs , tough time for him in eng and aus series , , one this is for sure youngsters of india see MSD as an icon of cricket Please dont give up Team India , kids in India see Indian cricketers at different level ,ask a kid whom you wanna be in future , they never say i wanna be a tata r ambani, you will hear sachin , dravid dhoni .. if India give-up with out a fight , you let the future go down wid u

  • Percy_Fender on January 17, 2012, 4:24 GMT

    The other day, Saurav Ganguly was being interviewed on TV. Amongst other things he was asked if the current Australian debacle called for immediate attention to create bouncy tracks. Saurav replied that India had done extremely well after 2001 abroad, despite having similar wickets at home then as well.That is true. But the unfortunate part is that the need for preparing bouncy tracks may have got diluted because Saurav mentioned what he did. He was only making the point that India had done well from 2001 till the England nightmare of 2011 and now the Australian annihilation happened.There is no doubt that we need to prioritise the preparation of bouncy wickets like they have in South Africa and Australia because their players do well in England as well.In India our players will do welll in any case. So I feel we must create fast and bouncy wickets at the grassroot levels in India. The BCCI has enough and more money to make this happen. I wish N Srinivasan would make this happen.

  • Jaggadaaku on January 17, 2012, 0:30 GMT

    Sehwag is not a test batman and his recent 219 runs gone disappeared from my hard disk. Dravid lost his focus. He alone blasted 3 centuries in ENG when every one else gone failed. Laxman is too lazy to even move. When I see him running, it reminds me running Neil Armstrong on the moon in zero gravity. Gambhir and Sehwag are only good for ODIs where every ball needs to be treated by shot and cuts. Gambhir and Sehwag always get out in slip cordon and gully. Looks like they got copy rights. Since Sachin's 99th Internatioonal hundred, 111 centuries blasted by the world's batsmen, but he couldn't find one yet. I am damn sure he wouldn't get his 100th ton even if he would play 50 more years. I have no words left for captain Dhoni. But one thing I would surely say that he has very big mouth for only talking big and meaningless and selling the desi items on the TV. His last statement as '0-2 phase makes the team stronger' was hilarious. Dhoni, you are a better comedian than Johny Lever.

  • StatisticsRocks on January 17, 2012, 0:24 GMT

    Its all talk and nothing will come out of it. As Mr Bedi has rightly said, once IPL starts everything will be forgotten behind the million dollar screen. Whats the point in doing a post mortem knowing no action will be taken. Only two things work with BCCI, Money and Politics. Time for SRT, Dravid, LAX to all go.

  • on January 17, 2012, 0:05 GMT

    Ind Team were doing so good from last couple of years even under Saurav and Dravid we won or drew the series, its a same team only kumble, bhaji and saurav is not der but we got Kohli, Gautam, Yadav, Ashwin not equal but atleast could be called as replacement all seniors are same. So i really feel bad about our much hyped battting line-up. This shows that seniors are not same as of 2007 which toured England(won) and even in aus close to win, We drew series in SA and won test matches under dravid, but this time i think seniors are thinking we won worlcup thats it. now nothing needs to be acheived. Really sad last chance of beating aus is gone and we made them power full unit. even now some of greats won't be there in 2014. Sad but true, it will be hard to get a series victory down under. We will still beat srilanka, newzealand, westindies, even pak and bangladesh away but not Safrica, Eng,Aus. No chance now until we adapt and change quickly atleast Laxman should go as he is not alroundr

  • xylo on January 16, 2012, 22:00 GMT

    Sunil Gavaskar just does not have the guts to ask Sachin to quit. period.

    @ Murali Dharan - The captain asking the team to bat first after winning the toss was bad? He said that he expected the ball to do a bit for the first 20-25 overs. Shouldn't he be allowed to have confidence in his batting-heavy side to last through just that amount of time to pile on the runs? The batsmen were supposedly not in form; it was not like their hands were sliced off. Why should they be considered as greats if they could not survive just 25 overs?

    @Dattatreya Gupta - The other thing that has remained the same has been the batting order. Unfortunately, their age and reflexes cannot be the same since 2000. The only player in the Aussie team from the Eden Garden match is Ricky Ponting. Compare that to Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, and Zaheer (who was young) in the Indian team. Tendulkar still has personal milestones to go after, which is why he has asked to be named in the ODI squad as well.

  • xylo on January 16, 2012, 21:51 GMT

    The seniors, in my opinion, knew early enough that after the tours to England and Australia, there would be no away tours for two years. And, Dravid was the only batsman to make any impact in England, and all of them flopped in Australia. If they were real team-men, shouldn't they have stepped back and let, say Badrinath, Rohit Sharma, Rahane (and Pujara if not injured) to get a feel of these kind of pitches instead? Instead, they chose to go after their own personal milestones. And, when the new crop goes on their first away tour after two years, there will be chaos. I was hoping that the selection committee would just pull the plug on these three, but they seem to have given in to the little master's request and put down his name in the ODI team purely to give him more chances to get to his 100th 100. Can't he be a man like Muralidharan who declared his last appearance even when he had not attained a personal milestone of 800 wickets? Ganguly seems to be the lucky one to have exited.

  • Nampally on January 16, 2012, 20:33 GMT

    This Indian team was sadly lacking in confidence, Patience & intensity. In Test match you got to be patient to stand there and wait for the loose ball. Aussies were testing the patience of the Indian bats and by bowling wide of the off stump, they got several wickets via batsmen fishing. Indian batsmen never learnt the lesson or even think why they were getting out.They should have all studied their own modes of getting out & worked on it to correct it. India threw away their wickets. On the other hand Indian bowlers bowled too short to be effective. Had Yadev at his pace was bowling consistently on or outside the off he would have run thru' the Aussie batting. Only soul searching will result in need for !. Mental toughness 2. Intensity, determonation & patience 3. More practice in seaming & bouncy pitches (practice on matting or concrete pitches in India) & 4. Play Younger guys who adapt faster. F.Engineer summed up the Aussie strength best. India should never have lost this badly.

  • thednr83 on January 16, 2012, 20:12 GMT

    I believe after winning the world cup, the old horses of the Indian team believe that they achieved everything they dreamed of which in fact they did. Even Dhoni knows he will not be able to achieve the same kind of success ever again. So, it is very important to phase out seniors and also change captaincy so that we have young guns with new goals to achieve.

  • Venkatb on January 16, 2012, 18:56 GMT

    All relevant thoughts that need to be heeded. The prescription - have the Government take over but with strong corporate administrators who have no financial stake, disband the current BCCI Board, nullify all current player contracts, get them back into the domestic circuit, invest in local infrastructure of training facilities and pitches. Next have a 60-day "military boot camp" for 30-35 short-listed players with zero distractions, maybe in the Andamans. Next, change the tax-code and contract structure so that "sportsperson exemptions" apply only to fees earned for matches played, not for any other forms of income - endorsement incomes should be subject to special levy by the BCCI whereby 40% of such income is taken over by the BCCI but only for immediate redeployment to indigent sports-persons or for other sports. After all this, the public in India should have another "Anna Hazare" type movement - boycott the IPL and sponsor companies' products!

  • Lala_Amarnath on January 16, 2012, 18:53 GMT

    [1] Start a 20/20 equivalent for test-matches - get players from all over the world and play 5-day matches. You won't make money initially but I bet you will have a kick-ass test team in couple of years [2] Hire the guys who make Australian and Windies fast pitches - have a few turning pitches too but only a few. [3] Make sure each player included in the probable can run a marathon [4] Have a probable 32 shortlisted and rotate regularly [5] Spend money on other sports too

  • AdnanSiddiqui on January 16, 2012, 18:30 GMT

    "This should be done" - "that should be done" ... All these advises and soul searching will go away as soon as IPL gets started after Aussie Tour ... These Gavasker's, Kumble's, Ganguly's, Singh's, Manjrekar's, Bedi's, Contractors & Engineers will either be coaching, guiding, supporting the IPL teams or get involve in media obligations to make sure IPL being broadcast throughout India and the world ...

    Does anyone think they really care about Indian cricket? ... I am amazed to see no one mentioned national priorities over money making expect Kapil Dev (& reason is obvious - he doesn't have any stake in IPL due to ICL - just give him little opportunity to be part of IPL you'll see different mantra from him too like everyone else) .... It's a Shame !!!

  • Anirudh_Goel on January 16, 2012, 18:29 GMT

    From a cricketer's perspective so long as IPL provides a quick and easy approach to making money why should he bother about Test Cricket at all ? The incentive to play test cricket is continuously declining and add to that unidimensional nature of majority of Indian pitches which prevents players from developing the right technique . BCCI needs to clearly setup mechanisms to ensure that we succeed in all formats by providing equal /higher incentive for playing test cricket. Rest will follow automatically. Secondly given the world cup win do we think players are as hungry as before to do well ?contrast s africa series prior to world cup where we wanted to and fought to prove a point as compared to WI ,ENG, Au series . If that is the case we need to select players who are hungry and driven and give others a rest

  • loudmouth on January 16, 2012, 18:17 GMT

    Farokh Engineer's comments are the most accurate. This Australian bowling line up may not end up being remembered as Test cricket legends but they bowled with a huge amount of control / passion / self belief and courage. Not an easy task against Tendulkar and co. The Indian batting line up of the past 15 years has always been by far the most talented. But now their techniques seem poor and they all seem like they could get out to almost any ball. The self belief has gone. It disappeared in England and it hasn't come back. But I don't believe the BCCI want to be the best all over the world in Test cricket. The 2000s Aussies focussed all their energies on winning against every Test team everywhere but ignored T20 cricket. This current England Test team seem intent on doing the same. It all comes down to what you want to achieve. Let the BCCI run their IPL and think they own world cricket. I hope these defeats in England and Australia upset a few in their ivory towers back home.

  • ccriccfan on January 16, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    Couldn't agree more with Bedi! Mark my words, nothing has happened and nothing will change. Anyone willing to change does not take umpty number of years or do so. That's how long India has been playing cricket.

  • on January 16, 2012, 18:03 GMT

    Dravid & Laxman are past their sell-by date. Yes they have been great, but every great career ends, sooner or later, so get on with the game. PUJARA and ROHIT are such fine test talents, that they should have already played about 20 test matches each. Desperately need PK & Irfan to rise to occasion and help Zak & Yadav.

  • on January 16, 2012, 17:19 GMT

    Seems like the seniors can have endless chances while the youngsters seem to dropped after a chance or two or sometimes they go on a tour and never even get to play before being dropped. Time to apply the same yard stick to the seniors. I agree with whoever said that it is better to lose with youngsters than seniors.

  • SouthPaw on January 16, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    Sourav Ganguly's shouldn't be published considering he is still smarting from his "retirement"

  • on January 16, 2012, 12:13 GMT

    Bedi has hit the nail in coffin.

  • kurups on January 16, 2012, 11:30 GMT

    excellent selection of quotes from great personalities...cant agree more with Bedi, Nari Contractor, Maninder, Gavaskar and all the rest. fans like me feel helpless when the selectors and board are ony interested in numbers..now india will win a series of tests at home and the selectors will continue to pick players like vinay kumar..pathetic, shame!!

  • ravi_hari on January 16, 2012, 10:06 GMT

    People who have commented barring a few, have all been successful leaders themselves. They are agonised at the way a top team can surrender so easily. Not even a fight in 7 away tests and loosing the grip after holding it briefly in a couple of them is what they are unhappy about. It is incorrect to say 'commenting from outside is very easy'. Dhoni will do the same 5 years down the line! Kapil, Saurav, Kumble, Gavaskar, Bedi all have won matches/series overseas and know what it is like winning or loosing. As Kumble said, you need to pre-empt exit plans and execute diligently. The cold response to India's debacle in England showed how serious BCCI is about all this. It's not late, they can plan it even now. As India is not playing overseas for nearly a year, they can rope in young talents and slowly plan the exit of seniors so that by the time the next away series is on, they would be mentally and technically ready. Give the seniors a graceful exit. They deserve it for yeomen services

  • on January 16, 2012, 9:49 GMT

    With the same pitches, domestic structure etc India were a winning unit in Oz, England and SA a few years back - so those points are rubbish. Vaughn's comment sums it up - this team has "lost the fight". And to get that back we need newer, hungrier lot, who are raring to succeed, to perform and to scale the heights. Nothing motivates better than personal desire to succeed which unfortunately most of the current members no longer have. Yes, the new comers will be thumped for a while but they will learn and get better quickly and then the winners will emerge. Give the new order a chance!

  • on January 16, 2012, 9:08 GMT

    It was nothing too technical but purely mental. When we lost in England , we were still in the World Cup euphoria and when we are loosing in Australia, we are thinking about our performance in England when we should have been thinking about the Australia's performance against NZ at home.

  • AbdullahShaikh on January 16, 2012, 8:28 GMT

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  • on January 16, 2012, 8:03 GMT

    Indians have to blame themselves for the deaft in the first two matches of this test series. In the first match, they did'nt take Australian new pace attach seriously and played some rash shots to get out. Had they played sensibly after dismissing Austrlia in a relatively small score, the first match could have been ended at least in a draw, if not won. In the second match, after winning the toss India elected to bat knowing very well that none of their batsmen were in form. No one can imagine what was in the mind of our Captain . The pitch was so good to bat on from the second day onwards. Had India put Australia , things would have been surely different. Moreover, India need to change the opening pair. Shewag cannot be allowed to continue like this. If he thinks his position in the team is guaranteed even if he does'nt score or play sensibly, he should be proved wrong.

  • Rahul_78 on January 16, 2012, 7:17 GMT

    For me Bishen Bedi's is the most telling comment. Forget IPL, just let the ODI's begin..all will be forgotten soon. Indian fans have insatiable appetite for any form of cricket.

  • datewithdestiny on January 16, 2012, 6:55 GMT

    although his point is around IPL, Vaughn stands corrected: India won in England under Dravid.. not Ganguly..

  • on January 16, 2012, 6:55 GMT

    So only Bedi among the Indian commentators has the guts to even raise the issue of IPL. Nothing can be more counter productive than a two month long IPL with each team playing 16 T20's. Way to go BCCI.

  • on January 16, 2012, 6:29 GMT

    Drop Dhoni, Laxman & Gambhir

  • MiddleStump on January 16, 2012, 6:10 GMT

    Forget all this big scale talk of 'planning for the future'. Long time fans will remember 1974, which became notorious as the Summer of 42.It was an identical situation. India who were unofficial world champs went to England and lost 3-0 being bowled out for 42 at Lords. Gavaskar was part of that team. We heard this very same talk and a whole lot more after that series. Nearly 40 years have passed and NOTHING has happened. So let us be realistic when it comes to the BCCI. What is however worse this time is the pitiful selection policies right from the outset. Mithun, Vinay, and Saha were never good to play a test. After two losses due to poor batting, the team made ONE change at Perth. Vinay Kumar, a 7th string seamer forced on the tour due to injuries to Aaron and Praveen Kumar, was selected to be the saviour of the team! Rohit Sharma was discarded again without a thought of how it would affect his confidence. Let the coach, captain and the BCCI explain their selection criteria first.

  • TheOnlyEmperor on January 16, 2012, 5:41 GMT

    When the entire world trains in astro-turf one cannot but have astro-turfs - this was the lesson Indian hockey learned at painful cost. Indian cricket needs to prepare bowler friendly pitches that challenge the batsmen. Pitches that help the quicks bowl fast and ENCOURAGE them to swing the ball. Swinging the ball has got noting to do with the climate or the pitch. It's a bowler's skill. India needs a bowling coach to train all at the state level to swing the ball. Somebody like Wasim Akram perhaps. When the quality of bowling improves, so will the quality of batting. Batsmen will be more particular about shot selection. Learning which balls to drive and which to leave and figuring out where your offstump stands while ensuring you don't get adjudged lbw when the DRS is in force - these are things that Indian cricket needs to contend with.

  • jmcilhinney on January 16, 2012, 5:05 GMT

    It has been said many times that every team has more trouble playing away than at home. India's situation at the moment seems to be the most drastic example of that. As long as India keep preparing predominantly turning pitches at home, they can only improve so much on greener pitches overseas. Players like Dravid and Tendulkar have done it before but conditions like England and Australia show up their age moreso than conditions in India, while the younger players have all sorts of trouble. It would also benefit India if some of their players played in domestic competitions elsewhere.

  • KarmatBaig on January 16, 2012, 4:58 GMT

    The world should be thankful to BCCI for the IPL in bringing their country from world number 1 to where they are heading.....obviously downwards to join the second Tier Test nations.

  • on January 16, 2012, 3:51 GMT

    Lets stop over-reacting. Our Indian boys are tied of Cricket. They need a break guys. Leave them alone and will see good results.

  • Meety on January 16, 2012, 3:37 GMT

    I'm glad pitches have been mentioned. Whilst I believe that India should have traditional characteristics in MOST ofpitches. They should at the very least start creating some "juicier" pitches in the Ranji. At the very least have it so that their domestic players play on at least 2 or 3 grounds where the fast bowler will be bending their back to get you. Then in fairness, once they achieve that, they should play tests on some of those grounds in the longer test series. This will be the only way that India will produce a) their share of batsmen who play pace very well, & 2) produce their share of quality pace bowlers. IMO, there was a big drop from Yadav to Vinay. As far as I am aware India were only really have two other pace bowlers who could of made the tour if fully fit (Praveen Kumar & Aaron). That means India only have about 6 Test quality bowlers on hand. Yet Pakistan probably have double that (not inc Aamir & Asif)!

  • on January 16, 2012, 2:40 GMT

    India's cricket problem every one knows. Expired batting stars who are good on spinning tracks, Bowlers who do not know the lenght to bowl line and length, fileders who do not know how to catch a bowl, over greedy administrattion, lack of respect to opposition etc etc etc.... India cant do worse even if they fired all aging stars and select new talented criciketers. Even if they loose seven out of seven they will gain from that experience.

  • donda on January 16, 2012, 1:58 GMT

    Indian team has no motivation. They won all and every thing in last 4 years. It is extremely hard to do what australian did for long time and motivation to when every thing again and again for 10 years. BCCI is afraid of firing great players because they may lose big sponsors and also there is IPL where these players sell for millions.

    With the advent of IPL and wining worldcup this is the time for 4 great batsmen to retire from test cricket and move on. They can play in IPL for 5 more years and can earn lots of money. It's time to just move on and build a young team and hope for the best. I thought Dhoni was lucky man but i think it's Gary Kristen who was lucky man in indian team when they were #1 and won the WC. Also just get rid of fletcher he is too old to be coaching.

  • vj3478 on January 16, 2012, 1:03 GMT

    7th continuous lose in a streak in the overseas series... no more punishment required for players assuming their mental condition in OZ. May be its the reason they are not performing! But one thing, India should have two kinds of pitches developed at home.. green pitches assisting fast bowlers and the second type.. pitches that help spin from day one to host eng, OZ and SA! yes, spin bowling is also an art and when OZ can prepare all bouncy pitches for india, india should do the same. Hell ya, then we can say, OZ needs to learn to tackle spin!

  • nlambda on January 16, 2012, 0:48 GMT

    Sunil Gavaskar's feedback is the most "evergreen" one. I think he said the same thing after the series in 1999 and the series in 1992. Can anyone explain why "improving the pitches and the 1st class infrastructure" never happens? I think SG will be offering this analysis even in 2020! We have always been mediocre, we managed to do well briefly due to SRT, RD, SG (ganguly) and VVS all hitting form at about the same time, and now they are declining we are back to the good old says under Azharuddin where we always lost abroad.

  • FoollyFedUp on January 15, 2012, 23:14 GMT

    Mr. Vaughn : India won in England (and in West Indies too) under Rahul Dravid, not Ganguly. Please give credit where it is due.

  • on January 15, 2012, 23:03 GMT

    Ganguly is the best captain India has had. Dhoni might have won the world cup, but Ganguly was the one who held the team together and brought some kind of fight into them. Winning world cups is of no use when you get white washed so bad.

  • AbdullahShaikh on January 15, 2012, 23:01 GMT

    How is it possible the souls have been sold in Auction at the IPL.

  • on January 15, 2012, 22:26 GMT

    India became the best Test side in the world under coach Gary Kirsten. As soon as Gary retired from the position their test form collapsed. While the players must shoulder much of the blame, perhaps the current coaching staff have failed to appreciate those winning attributes that Gary managed to instil into the side.

  • demon_bowler on January 15, 2012, 22:16 GMT

    If Indian fans had been more gracious when their team was at the top of the tree, and more respectful of their opponents, there would be more sympathy for their sorry situation now, in the same way that all cricket fans sincerely regret the West Indians' sad plummet from grace. As it is, I'm sure I'm not the only non-Indian cricket fan who is enjoying seeing India get its comeuppance. The noisy boasting of recent months rings very empty now, doesn't it?

  • NairUSA on January 15, 2012, 21:51 GMT

    All comments are accurate except one by some David Lloyd. Farokh has the correct assessment. The bottom line is - Indian bastmen failed against quality aussie medium pace.

  • dunger.bob on January 15, 2012, 21:49 GMT

    Someone in the Indian setup is going to have to be the "bad cop" and make the decisions that everyone knows have to be taken but no-one seems to want to do. The way its going the middle order will all drop out at the same time and that is a massive hole to fill. An orderly transition would be better, but it doesn't look as though that will happen. As an Aussie, all I can say is "welcome to our nightmare. We don't think you're going to like it" (apologies to Alice Cooper).

  • wc1992 on January 15, 2012, 21:48 GMT

    hahahaha..........some of the comments are really funny..... and kinda say wait till we thrash some weaker team at home

  • AbdullahShaikh on January 15, 2012, 21:18 GMT

    There is no doubt that this is the worst oveseas performance by any indian team. Thre process of replacing ageing players should have started atleast two years ago. but now it appears we have to do it in the whole sale way. No body is talking about Tendulkar because he is the greatest cricketer ever, but frankly he is in the same boat as Dravid and Laxman. Good youngsters like Ajinkya Rahane and Rohit Sharma are being delayed outside. i am afraid if we delay them too much they also may go the Waseem Jaffer way. And finally i think we had enough of Ishant Sharma, presently his bowling average is above 37. In any other county such a bowler will be unacceptable.

  • on January 15, 2012, 21:04 GMT

    India just don't seem to care about winning Tests abroad. I think the point has been reached where all they care about is the IPL at the expense of everything else.

  • on January 15, 2012, 20:05 GMT

    Four words should suffice: GREEN PITCHES AT HOME.

  • ARad on January 15, 2012, 19:43 GMT

    I agree with Gavaskar. Rather than looking for scapegoats or blindly bring in new faces, India should look at how to prepare the next generation of Indian players to be successful in different playing conditions.

  • Sanj747 on January 15, 2012, 19:12 GMT

    Bedi is bang on the mark.

  • TheScot on January 15, 2012, 18:42 GMT

    Players have run out of gas after the world cup. And I will not blame 39 years old for not having further motivation to play better (though they still have motivation to earn money). When we had achieved our greatest goal, sometimes we are not left with much motivation. There is no point of going ahead with lesser motivation in International Cricket. Play, domestic cricket, IPL or something like that. But time to move the Indian cricket ahead.

  • stalefresh on January 15, 2012, 18:06 GMT

    Steps should be taken between now and Adelaide. Every minute delayed is another nail on Indian cricket. And the first step is to remove head of administration, head of selection chairman, head of ipl, and head of coaching staff.

  • fanofteamindia on January 15, 2012, 18:02 GMT

    Everyone can say whatever they want, but ultimately the sufferer is going to be test cricket and England because that is the only format they are good at. unless India pick themselves up(which i couldn't foresee happening), I don't see the test championship happening. Who is going to sponsor the tournament if India is not playing? Anyway I am not worried about test cricket, as I am contented to see the format in which my team is strong at.

  • on January 15, 2012, 17:31 GMT

    ever since ganguly has retired its been 3 and a half year indian team has not been able to find a replacement ....... now some cricket experts are of the opinion that let seniors retire gradually and there by grooming youngsters simultaneously...... when u cant groom a single cricketer for 4 years to fill a single spot how can u imagine the absence of top 3 for the batting line up..... sehwag and gambhir are not sure of long run as well...... people are getting panic irrationally..... even dhoni has given indication of retirement in 2013......is that the right time to phase out seniors.... it was dravid who had topped last year across globe...... sachin was at second.....likes of sehwag, gambhir, kohli, yuvraj, raina, dhoni were not even near even if their runs were taken collectively...... speaks volume about irrational and panic approach of people......first correct the intensity and may be a single change in terms of captaincy might work for team india......

  • seantells on January 15, 2012, 17:31 GMT

    as for me it's all about Psychological warfare, OZ's done it way better than IND

  • on January 15, 2012, 17:20 GMT

    id have to agree with Michael vaughan.

  • KricketWicket on January 15, 2012, 17:20 GMT

    I just don't get it whenever people, specially foreigners, start questioning pitches at home. Cricket is a richer game because of these diversities. If all you get when you come to India is a traditional English or Australian wicket, then cricket will be so boring. So no need to change pitches at home. It should continue to spin from day 1 and that will be enough to produce results. Others can cry what they like when they come an loose in India, but they do the same in their countries by producing friendly green tracks. So its all the same.

    The Indian team 2 years ago showed they can adopt abroad. What needs to change is the scheduling of toures, fitness levels and bench strength. They need time to prepare for test series abroad so scheduling will be the key.

  • CarDroid on January 15, 2012, 17:14 GMT

    BCCI top boss has already said that "everything will be alright as soon as we beat Aus and Eng at home". With administrators like these, who needs enemies?

  • Cpt.Meanster on January 15, 2012, 17:05 GMT

    I don't think it's only the players that need blaming. The ENTIRE structure of Indian cricket needs a complete overhaul. The Ranji Trophy's pitches need conditioning to emulate SA and Australia. Indian players need to be brought up on pace and bounce. India CAN do it because Australian weather is very similar to India's. If they can manage such good pitches... then India can do too. The BCCI is the world's superpower of cricket. The sheer wealth amassed by the BCCI can help India's fortunes in creating a robust structure, appoint world class coaches across the state teams, set up specialized programs for fitness and training, create academies and a touring team like India Lions or something so that youngsters can travel to SA, Eng, Aus to play first class matches against the local sides to gain exposure. I will have to support Sunil Gavaskar's viewpoints. India needs a COMPLETE make over of its domestic structure and not just change in personnel.

  • gsudhir on January 15, 2012, 16:46 GMT

    Hi ! Indian batsmen never tend to learn from the past mistakes that got them out. Once they are sorted out they keep getting out in similar fashions. There is no improvement in playing the short balls by most of the players . No fielding improvement, no bowling improvements. bowlers are good at beginning 2 years or so and then they are average players. Same thing for batsmen.

  • AidanFX on January 15, 2012, 16:43 GMT

    Farokh Engineer, - You might have a case Indian brought much pain on itself - but there has been steady improvement in the Aus bowling line up from SL onwards. They bowled SA out for 90 odd and won the next test (after that demolishing loss). Even the Hobart Test - the bowlers bowled well, the batsmen failed. So you are underestimating their performance big time.

  • Faizan_Bahadur on January 15, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    Look who is saying "look at first-class cricket structure,scheduling of matches, it has to be a really long hard look at everything"...The biggest supporter of IPL.I think by that he means 2 months schedule of next season IPL,long hard look at belter of pitches and meaningless matches

  • on January 15, 2012, 16:01 GMT

    India have always been good at home- slow flat batting tracks, no extra pace or bounce to challenge the batsmen then the spin bowlers come into their own when the pitch crumbles along with some reverse swing from zaheer khan and poss ishant. Only the great Aus team of 2004 managed to overcome this. Away from home when theyve done well is on very flat tracks in Australia 03-04, 2 unconvincing wins in the West Indies (who lets face it is one of the worst teams in world test cricket) and 1 drawn and 1 series win in England. In those series they relied heavily on Dravid and Ganguly (only ones able to cope with swinging seaming conditions) to post scores and gave them enough runs for kumble zaheer and to a lesser extent harbhajan to bowl England out. Laxman has never moved his feet- won't work when the ball moves sideways. Sehwag is also susceptible in swinging conditions- again no footwork. They can both smash as many runs as they can on flat tracks and every1 thinks they are wonderful....

  • on January 15, 2012, 15:55 GMT

    I am in total agreement with all the remarks .. more importantly 'Bishen Bedi's" comment.. IPL should be SHUTDOWN.. It is doing NO GOOD for CRICKET except for the sponsorers/Players in making loads of Money with no responsibility. What have we learnt from England Washout, Nothing... Now Dhoni saying we have to learn "Line and Length and consistency" from Aussie players is just ridiculous statement.. "Line, Length and Consistency" are the most fundamental things for a bowler...

    In addition Media hype is so much that we put tremendous pressure on players and Indians by nature are weak psychologically.. we cannot play mind ganes and that is not needed ...

    BCCI MUST look into providing LEADERSHIP TRAININGS for all the Indian Players from renowned Leadership experts . This should be part of yearly curriculum, where every team players goes through these trainings.. BCCI should appoint COACH for training the minds of Indian Players to be STRONG ..

    Good Luck for Indian Team

  • onebump on January 15, 2012, 15:48 GMT

    I think team India (or should we call it 'team 4-0'?) are reaping the effects of IPL! After years of the focus being on the big bang version, the team is struggling to play long innings and build when the pressure is up abroad!

  • Empty-Sequence on January 15, 2012, 15:34 GMT

    Bishan Bedi made the most sensible comment. This is just the beginning, things will get even worse from here. After 3 years,We r still not able to find replacements for ganguly,Kumble. What will happen when fab3/Zak/MSD will retire. India will turn minnows again :(

  • on January 15, 2012, 15:22 GMT

    Modest of Dhoni to take blame. The fact of the matter is lack of technique to play pace on helpful wkt coupled with an ageing top order r the reasons for India's demise.

  • AjaySridharan on January 15, 2012, 15:01 GMT

    Why do we wait for a crisis to act! We didn't nee this crisis to see the writing on the wall when it came to the aging batting line up, trouble with the opening pair, Dhoni's record as an away Test batsman...this is what frustrates me as an Indian. We always need a crisis to act. England series was enough of an eye-opener. Quite honestly, in Australia, except for the Sydney test where we were completely outclassed by the Australian batsmen, in all other innings, we have contributed to our own demise. As Farokh Engineer has pointed out, it was not an unplayable bowling attack. We didn't have any strategy to counter the consistent length bowling. The batsmen might as well have gone out to bat with fishing rods instead of a willow. Melbourne test was ours for the taking...even when you had 2 full days to chase down 292. A good opening partnership would have set it up well...and yet again Sehwag failed miserably throwing his wicket away. Perth could have been saved as well

  • SagirParkar on January 15, 2012, 15:01 GMT

    Gavaskar and Kapil have hit the nail right on its head.. they have been through the system and despite being two of the best ever cricketers india has produced, they havent been heavily involved with the national team in a coaching or administrative way because they know where the problem lies... Ayaz Menon also has good insight into the malaise that lies within the cricketing heirarchy.. Bedi has echoed the sentiments of a huge number of fans and that sadly once the IPL starts, all of this will be forgotten.. or even worse, it might even be forgotten if Tendulkar gets that cherished 100th ton in the ODIs...

  • sylvester.stallone on January 15, 2012, 14:58 GMT

    LOL at bcci pointing out SL getting hammered by SA. Even in dismal form SL managed to pull off a test win against SA.

  • nskaile on January 15, 2012, 14:44 GMT

    I like wht David Lloyd said. Its the pitches in india tht hold the solution of india's problems but i dont think Bcci gonna bother to make any changes cuz it will cost them some money. Soon there will be new promos of IPL on eve tv ch.

  • Naresh28 on January 15, 2012, 14:04 GMT

    @Indian fans - look at Kapil Dev's comment. This is so true. BCCI should be run by at least some ex-players but is NOT. There is so much that people like Gavaskar, Kumble,Dev,SHektar can offer. Sometimes you wonder from so much past great stars we cannot even find a home grown coach? Gavaskar may be past it to train youngsters but was he ever asked by the BCCI?

  • AvidCricFan on January 15, 2012, 14:01 GMT

    India's problems in handling pace is age old. What has BCCI done to overcome this? Nothing. Why would it be difference now? Kapil's statement is right on the mark. BCCI cares for money so that the top brass can loot it. It has no plans, structure or intent to remedy this situation. I could understand limited resources 20 years back. But in last 10-15 years, BCCI is awashed with money. It need to limit unnecessary administrative expenses and money it pays to player and create a balanced development of talent. There is no point in paying millions to players who don't perform, don't show commitment for their game.

  • bumsonseats on January 15, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    thats what most seem to thin,k the big 3 in a year or to will have to go. but thats been said for the last two years, sometime in the future. the futures been for the last 12 month. as one of your pundit says once ipl comes about all will be forgotten, by the bcci and the Indian supporters. dpk

  • Scrop on January 15, 2012, 13:45 GMT

    I second Gavaskar and Bedi's comments.

    Dhoni's lack of confidence in his batting is affecting his captaincy also. He is not daring enough to take bold decisions.

  • MaxG9 on January 15, 2012, 13:29 GMT

    What a silly response by BCCI's Rajiv Shukla. Doesn't he know that SL's score was in a one day match; that India was ranked the no. 1 test team not so long ago; And that even Australia was out for one of their lowest test totals in RSA a few months ago & that they lost a close match against NZ on home soil in the series before the India one. Stop comparing apples & oranges & get on with the matter of rectifying, where possible, Indian Test cricket performances especially outside their home grounds. Losing is one thing but to lose a series 0-4 & then be down 0-3 in a consecutive series, losing by very large margins & in 3 & 4 days, shows that the Indians have big problems to rectify & hard decisions to take. The sooner the BCCI can do what it needs to do, face up to the problems & stop silly talk like this, the better for Indian cricket.

  • Rakim on January 15, 2012, 13:25 GMT

    "They (BCCI) are doing extremely well when it comes to making money and controlling world cricket. But what is the use if your team fails to win matches abroad?" That sums it all. BCCI should change its priorities.

  • drallion on January 15, 2012, 13:19 GMT

    Agree with Sunil Gavaskar's comments which should be applied to ALL MEMBERS of the team without exception! Time for also reviewing the support staff's performance, as I thought that if Ishant Sharma was not very accurate and fast bowling to a good length or just short of it consistently, some one should have had a word with him. I agree that they are all professionals but they are also young who can benefit from some advice. I think that Saurav should also include the 30 year olds, the 37 and the 38 when talking about ageing seniors. Gautam Gambhir should be put on notice along with his famed partner. Zaheer should also know that he is expected to bat (eg. Siddle, Swann and Steyn) and field sharply. Ashwin also should be told that his fielding is not up to international level which is a must for all cricketers!

  • on January 15, 2012, 13:10 GMT

    Why is the BCCI Pressuring Laxman.Dont they have the guts to say the same to Tensdulkar,Sehwag ,Dravid & above all Dhoni

  • explorer18 on January 15, 2012, 12:45 GMT

    Agree with Farokh Engineer, and Kapil Dev as well. India could have won the first test if they just fought a little better. That would have helped them gain confidence.

  • AABIRSABEEL on January 15, 2012, 12:41 GMT

    pls bring KAIF he can adjust with situation and he is yung and good in form and he scored hundred in his last Test.........

  • on January 15, 2012, 12:35 GMT

    This is what scares me the most....what if (after a very likely 4-0 series loss) the BCCI starts calling for an end to test cricket as a format? I mean think about it...the country that brings in 80% of global cricket revenue absolutely sucks at test cricket now. In a format that is struggling to bring crowds into matches not held in england and australia, test cricket needed india to play well for long term survival.

    I sincerely hope i am very wrong.

  • rahulcricket007 on January 15, 2012, 12:29 GMT

    BISHAN BEDI WAS 100% RIGHT . ALL THE DEFEATS IN ENGLAND & AUSTRALIA WILL BE FORGTOTTEN WHEN IPL START . AS WE HAVE SEEN RAJIV SHUKLA JUST GIVING EXCUSE OF SRILANKA 'S PERFORMANCE . THIS SHOWS THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS TO INDIA, BCCI WILL KEEP MAKING MONEY OF IPL . LET JUST BOYCOTT THIS IPL & SHOW IGNORANCE TO RUBBISH CRICKET , LET'S NOT ATTEND ANY IPL MATCH , WHEN BCCI WILL SEE EMPTY GROUNDS THEY WILL BE FORCE TO MAKE CHANGES IN STRUCTURE .

  • on January 15, 2012, 12:29 GMT

    I used to believe I am one of the BIGGEST supporter of TEAM INDIA. Even when the 4-0 drubbing in England when everybody was abusing our team I supported. Now tell me TEAM INDIA - why, why are u playing like this...... U have almost lost a BIG FAN. ARREST THE SLIDE AND AT LEAST DRAW IN ADELAIDE. PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE

  • samtech on January 15, 2012, 12:27 GMT

    BCCI must hold IPL or Champions League in Australia.

  • on January 15, 2012, 12:24 GMT

    People who are commenting now that seniors should be phased out should look at thmeselves. Gavaskar was criticized the same way after an ordinary tour to Pakistan in 1983 as well as the next tour that followed. He continued on for another 4 years and did well he had 90 and 103 when Australia visited India, and before that in 1983-84 he first reached Sir Donal Bradmans record of 29 centuries , came close to breaking int in the very next test when he scored a quickfire 90 in a way that would have left Sehwag gasping for breath, and then went past with that monumental 236* at Madras. He also had 172 and 166* in Australia 1985-86, 172 and 74 against Sri Lanka at home followed by 91 at Bangalore, 63 at Ahmedabad and 96 in Madras in what was his final test innings. So persist with the seniors, let them regroup at the NCA, let them hand over the baton to the likes of Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli and Ajinkya Rahane when the time is right. Its not proper to hound them out.

  • hhillbumper on January 15, 2012, 12:17 GMT

    where do young players learn their skills.Instant fame in IPL does not encourage hard work on technique or teach patience.It is all very well having a wide range of shots but what is the point if you get rolled over so quickly.So what do they want to be.Flat track bullies or learn to be real batsman like the rest of the world has to

  • KingofRedLions on January 15, 2012, 11:51 GMT

    I like how Shukla talks about one day cricket when the topic is Test matches. And SL were "World Champions" in 1996. Not exactly relevant.

  • on January 15, 2012, 11:50 GMT

    Another test series rout in Australia and the ex players cry for large scale changes including changing pitches.Soon things will cool down.India will start winning at home.No changes will be done and just swallow a series defeat or two.Afterall we play only one or two series in Australia in a decade.Very interestingly Sunny,sanjay or kapil do not have great averages when they played against the good aussie test elevens.Remember in 78 and 85 we played below strength Aussie teams during which sunny scored 4-5 tons.In the real series in 81 Sunny crossed 50 only in the last innings in Melbourne.So all you ex players shut up and concede we were defeated sqaure by a proud Australian team. From present team time to send many players to Ex category.Shewag,sachin,dravid,zaheer,dhoni and Laxman.Time to bring in Rohit,Pujara,Mukund,Karthik & probably uthappa into the team.Virat will be the skipper.We have to play with 5 batsman and 5 bowlers.

  • VivGilchrist on January 15, 2012, 11:43 GMT

    Yadav has been excellent, Khan has bowled well too. Ishant has been a major disappointment. Irfan Pathan would have been handy on this tour as he can swing it and would have strengthened the tail. Sehwag bats with no responsibility, Dhoni has too much on his plate as captain, and I think it's time for VVS to move on, followed by the other two. I really don't understand why SRT is still playing, what more does he want to get out of the game? 100 100's, what if his 100th 100 is in an ODI? I think more pitches in India that suit fast bowlers would be the most useful thing the BCCI could do for there players right now.

  • 5wombats on January 15, 2012, 11:40 GMT

    Alright - the boy Warner done good, but; ""When Tendulkar and Dravid and those boys retire in a couple of years, where is Indian cricket going to be. Are the youngsters coming through?" That's asking for the obvious tweek which would make it read; ""When Ponting and Hussey and those boys retire in a couple of years, where is Australian cricket going to be. Are the youngsters coming through?" Mate, always wise to look before you leap. Wherever Australia are - you can bet on a warm welcome from your English friends.....

  • on January 15, 2012, 11:39 GMT

    I think ICC and Boards must encourage their players to play in domestic leagues of foreign countries, its embarrassing to see players of such potential failing so badly, its like they dont know how to bat, for the good of cricket as whole they must plan and merge the domestic circuits, its not only about Indians failing on fast pitches, but even the English and Aussies struggle badly on slow pitches. I absolutely hate ICC for the way they manage the sports, they are too busy pleasing the boards then thinking on their own and making independent decisions.

  • valvolux on January 15, 2012, 11:13 GMT

    they all speak a lot of sense. I just think the BCCI got a bit too excited with the world 20/20 win and the money that came from t20. backed up by a world cup win at home....they are performances that have well outspoken the achievements of indian cricket. the schedule played oh so kindly to them - getting to the top of the world was purely coincidence in schedule and largely due to meeting an australian team at the lowest of lows at home that bumped up their points. they have failed miserably in the 2 toughest tests in england and in australia - against teams their "mighty" batting outfit would consider weak compared to years gone by. don't want to bash india cause there's always going to be serious talent - but they need to sort their priorities which is the theme in all of those comments. is T20 and 100 hundreds more important than being competitive? nurturing talent that can play flat pitches will keep them at the bottom of the pile in terms of respect from other countries.

  • on January 15, 2012, 11:02 GMT

    Many things need to happen now. 1) Dhoni should give up Wicket keeping and concentrate on remaining the best captain that he is and get back his previous batting form. 2) Sehwag should drop down in batting order to 2 or 3 down. 3) Should include young players Like Rohit Sharma. 4) For wicket Dinesh Karthik and Uthappa along with Parthiv Patel should be considered as replacement wicket keeper in place of Dhoni. 5) Very senior player should consider stepping down to bring in new blood. For longer term basis new talent has to be given as much experience as possible. My choices are Yuvraj Singh, Virat Kohli, Raina, Rohit Sharma, Mukund and so on.

  • Lmaotsetung on January 15, 2012, 11:01 GMT

    Indian cricket problem is..."WAIT TIL THEY COME TO INDIA"...LOL

  • chandau on January 15, 2012, 10:59 GMT

    KAPIL DEV has hit the nail on its head. BCCI is not worried about players and outcomes. They only want the power and money. As a Sri Lankan its easy to see parallels with SLC. Look at the ODI world champions of 2011 and runners up; both getting hammered in OZ & SA respectively. Do the boards care? SL players are worse off not being paid their dues.

  • NewYorkCricket on January 15, 2012, 10:56 GMT

    It is going to go in the direction of what Bishen said. BCCI is inherently breeding bad cricket thru IPL. At the bare minimum play IPL on bowler friendly tracks. Cut down the number of batsmen to 7. This will make bowlers bowl a more attacking line. Introduce strong work ethic at the grassroot level. Pay domestic cricketers well....especially fast bowlers.

  • on January 15, 2012, 10:51 GMT

    Bishan Singh's comment is the most frank and honest, come IPL all will be forgotten and forgiven. I am sorry to say that India will most likely go through what the Windies have. It's still not to late to plan ahead and begin the retirement of the greats.....

  • on January 15, 2012, 10:44 GMT

    I like Kapil Dev's comment. It's all about profit & Profitability. And yes the BCCI is the culprit.

  • Hodra99 on January 15, 2012, 10:40 GMT

    The great Kapil Dev hits the nail perfectly on the head

  • KarachiKid on January 15, 2012, 10:21 GMT

    Both Bishen Bedi and Kapil Dev are bang on target. IPL and lust for power (for the Indian Board) have costed them this 7th straight oversees loss. Otherwise, no one can doubt the greatness of top 4 Indian Batters, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman. I feel sorry for Laxman who has been so great for such a long time. But now I think Indians are going to drop him. Sad end.

  • cricket_lover777 on January 15, 2012, 10:14 GMT

    Spot on Kapil Dev and Bishen Singh Bedi- Everything will be forgotten in a few months

  • CricketingStargazer on January 15, 2012, 10:11 GMT

    It's a bit depressing, rather like England's situation in 2007: there had been warnings, but it took a 5-0 humilliation in Australia to bring it home to people. It led to two years of re-building when the side was desperately weak at times and also very inconsistent. For me there are two major problems: one is to have several ageing, undroppable icons in the side; the second is that the focus has been so much on the batting that even the spin bowling has become very weak and the seam bowling is clueless. I suspect strongly that the whole focus of the last 10 months on the 100th hundred has destabillised the side with a personal milestone taking over from team ethic. England could come back quickly because the First Class structure was strong thanks to the reforms and new players could be identified and came through. In Australia, while state cricket is weak, club cricket is very strong and allows a quick route to the top. I'm not sure that India has such a clear route for new players.

  • Raj239 on January 15, 2012, 10:09 GMT

    Sehwag is losing his natural hand eye coordination at 33. He cannot change his game like Sachin 5 years ago. He will have to retire soon. The fab 3 are just too old and also have to go.

  • drnaveed on January 15, 2012, 10:02 GMT

    agreed with what bedi and kapil have said,only those players should be selected to play tests for India who dont play IPL at all.yes the whole indian fans will forget about their teams performances ( in AUS and ENG ),once IPL gets under way. they are really tigers on their home grounds only,this is a fact and every indian cricket fan should accept it. where are the 150 plus speed fast bowlers they had , have they kept them for series against BD or ZIM ???

  • on January 15, 2012, 9:56 GMT

    I used to wonder at the guts of the Aussies in chopping fading stars....it it time for us to display similar guts?!

  • Lmaotsetung on January 15, 2012, 9:51 GMT

    Nah...nothing wrong with India cricket. BCCI needs to listen to Kohli and Ishant, just schedule more Tests at home. Like they said.."wait til you come to India"...everything will be fine by then.

  • indianpunter on January 15, 2012, 9:51 GMT

    Dhoni cannot captain this side anymore. He has lost his "mojo". Make kohli the captain and build a new team around him ( like SA did with Smith). Maybe he can stay on as keeper, but not as captain.

  • indianpunter on January 15, 2012, 9:49 GMT

    All very valid, well made points. We need our own "Argus review" where everything needs to be looked at with the critical eye. The structure, scheduling, weightage to first class games etc. The elders need to move on. Dravid, laxman to retire and sehwag to be dropped. Sachin can remain for 1 more yr to guide the newcomers. I echo Bedi's thoughts. IPL is such a huge worry. All will be forgotten when it comes along. I think it encourages players to take the easy way out. Revenue generation is important, but where is the vision.? Kumble had it, but was cornered and therefore quit. BCCI need to realise that support for the game in India is dropping alarmingly and be careful that they dont kill the goose laying the golden eggs.

  • on January 15, 2012, 9:46 GMT

    very well said bishen singh bedi .... IPL has already damaged our dedication towards the test cricket.... BCCI is 90 % responsible for the humiliation which we are facing right now.....not just IPL,but they do nothing for the improvement of test cricket...never felt so much humiliated being a true cricket fan,a true cricket and indian team lover..... to me even W.C win is useless if u are this bad in test cricket

  • on January 15, 2012, 9:43 GMT

    Indian Cricket team will not improve unless BCCI chooses some players who can adjust to foreign conditions & change their game according to pace & bounce in the pitch.

  • ashok2507 on January 15, 2012, 9:43 GMT

    thankfully something to cheer for fans..hope sehwag will be more proactive as a captain n will provide the much needed inpiration..n saha will definately score the same no of runs as dhoni if not more..

  • crikbuff on January 15, 2012, 9:38 GMT

    Millions of Indian cricket fans are disheartened by our team's pathetic performances in England and Australia. But does BCCI care? And do the players themselves care? They are all happy earning millions from the IPL. They do not value test cricket anymore. Will there be an Argus review in Indian cricket? Will any young players go to hone their skills in the English county season? Will there be any A team tours to England, Australia, S. Africa? The BCCI is only bothered about IPL - the root cause of India's test debacle

  • SanjivSanjiv on January 15, 2012, 9:37 GMT

    If India performs in the Adelaide Test, I wonder if these ruthless reactions would remain the same. In all, it seems Laxman's time has come to exit, whereas Dravid deserves another 6 to 12 months before making a decision. Anyway, weird things happen. To me, one can blame at anything, but remember playing in Australia is always difficult as has been found by all sub-continent teams.

  • sheku125 on January 15, 2012, 9:33 GMT

    BCCI is not going to listen. Home Series will come and every thing will be forgotten. Every team loses abroad, but not like this team does and media in the world proclaims their team as the best in the World after wins at home. Let media stop its hype. They only called this australian team as the weakest in so many decades. Let the team play cricket don't distract them only you (media) will be losers.

  • on January 15, 2012, 9:32 GMT

    First of all BCCI needs to talk to Dhoni whats going on in the Indian dressing room & ask about the players' communication with each other. Secondly Dhoni needs to decide if he wants to continue captaining,becuse captaincy is pressurising him & affecting his batting as well. At last,BCCI needs to take some bold decisions by dropping some out of form players such as Sehwag,Laxman,Dravid or Gambhir.The time has come to renovate the team by bringing young players like Rohit Sharma,Suresh Raina,Pujara,etc.

  • Rahul_78 on January 15, 2012, 9:28 GMT

    Australia is going through the rebuilding process itself. After a middle order that was stable for almost a decade and all the top batsmen ageing at same time this was inevitable. Time to go back to the drawing board for the captain, coach, selectors and Administrators and rebuild. Thank you VVS and Rahul for providing numerous glorious moments in your career so far. Indian cricket and fans will always be indebted to you. No need to humiliate these legends on the discussion boards..every good or bad thing in life comes with an expiry date.

  • on January 15, 2012, 9:26 GMT

    Only thing can b done now is that slowly drop seniors or force them to retire by this year end in phases. bring in pujara and rohit keep kohli in. dont go back by picking raina. Kohli should be made captain if he shows consistency in tests also as in his odi performance. As for the openers there are no better options compared to middle order. so persist with them for a while.................

  • Adnan143 on January 15, 2012, 9:23 GMT

    can't agree more with kapil and bedi, theyhad identify the problem, but hwo will listen?

  • Chris_Howard on January 15, 2012, 9:22 GMT

    I never understand how India, with a billion people, can't find a team of Tendulkars.

  • on January 15, 2012, 9:18 GMT

    BIshab SIngh BEdi's comment is a real gem............IPL should be done in 20 days and only two foreign players ..........

  • criclover999 on January 15, 2012, 9:14 GMT

    Only Sachin Tendulkar has kept my interest in cricket the day my childhood hero retires cricket will die for me .

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  • criclover999 on January 15, 2012, 9:14 GMT

    Only Sachin Tendulkar has kept my interest in cricket the day my childhood hero retires cricket will die for me .

  • on January 15, 2012, 9:18 GMT

    BIshab SIngh BEdi's comment is a real gem............IPL should be done in 20 days and only two foreign players ..........

  • Chris_Howard on January 15, 2012, 9:22 GMT

    I never understand how India, with a billion people, can't find a team of Tendulkars.

  • Adnan143 on January 15, 2012, 9:23 GMT

    can't agree more with kapil and bedi, theyhad identify the problem, but hwo will listen?

  • on January 15, 2012, 9:26 GMT

    Only thing can b done now is that slowly drop seniors or force them to retire by this year end in phases. bring in pujara and rohit keep kohli in. dont go back by picking raina. Kohli should be made captain if he shows consistency in tests also as in his odi performance. As for the openers there are no better options compared to middle order. so persist with them for a while.................

  • Rahul_78 on January 15, 2012, 9:28 GMT

    Australia is going through the rebuilding process itself. After a middle order that was stable for almost a decade and all the top batsmen ageing at same time this was inevitable. Time to go back to the drawing board for the captain, coach, selectors and Administrators and rebuild. Thank you VVS and Rahul for providing numerous glorious moments in your career so far. Indian cricket and fans will always be indebted to you. No need to humiliate these legends on the discussion boards..every good or bad thing in life comes with an expiry date.

  • on January 15, 2012, 9:32 GMT

    First of all BCCI needs to talk to Dhoni whats going on in the Indian dressing room & ask about the players' communication with each other. Secondly Dhoni needs to decide if he wants to continue captaining,becuse captaincy is pressurising him & affecting his batting as well. At last,BCCI needs to take some bold decisions by dropping some out of form players such as Sehwag,Laxman,Dravid or Gambhir.The time has come to renovate the team by bringing young players like Rohit Sharma,Suresh Raina,Pujara,etc.

  • sheku125 on January 15, 2012, 9:33 GMT

    BCCI is not going to listen. Home Series will come and every thing will be forgotten. Every team loses abroad, but not like this team does and media in the world proclaims their team as the best in the World after wins at home. Let media stop its hype. They only called this australian team as the weakest in so many decades. Let the team play cricket don't distract them only you (media) will be losers.

  • SanjivSanjiv on January 15, 2012, 9:37 GMT

    If India performs in the Adelaide Test, I wonder if these ruthless reactions would remain the same. In all, it seems Laxman's time has come to exit, whereas Dravid deserves another 6 to 12 months before making a decision. Anyway, weird things happen. To me, one can blame at anything, but remember playing in Australia is always difficult as has been found by all sub-continent teams.

  • crikbuff on January 15, 2012, 9:38 GMT

    Millions of Indian cricket fans are disheartened by our team's pathetic performances in England and Australia. But does BCCI care? And do the players themselves care? They are all happy earning millions from the IPL. They do not value test cricket anymore. Will there be an Argus review in Indian cricket? Will any young players go to hone their skills in the English county season? Will there be any A team tours to England, Australia, S. Africa? The BCCI is only bothered about IPL - the root cause of India's test debacle