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Cricket's top eight need to be challenged more

And for all the resources and chances they have got, Bangladesh haven't done it yet

Harsha Bhogle

September 28, 2012

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Shakib Al Hasan during a slip-catching session at training, Mirpur, August 27, 2012
Shakib Al Hasan: the only world-class player Bangladesh have produced so far © Bangladesh Cricket Board
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It took eight days for the World Twenty20 to get to the eight teams we knew would play the next stage. We yearned for the established teams to squirm a bit, maybe even get embarrassed. Why, we wouldn't even have minded if one got knocked out because it would have meant the game had got more competitive. But apart from a tiny little period of play from the spirited Afghans against India, we yearned in vain. There is still no challenge to the established forces, and that isn't great news for a global sport. A hundred countries may play cricket but it is still really only eight.

Of the four countries that made early exits, two (Afghanistan and Ireland) need more cricket and two (Zimbabwe and Bangladesh) need to be challenged.

I think Ireland have a point when they say they don't get enough cricket against better teams. It is an issue that needs to be addressed immediately because otherwise they will continue to lose players to England. Eoin Morgan has been lost, now Boyd Rankin has quit, and at some point George Dockrell is going to think about whether he can fulfil his dreams with the limited opportunities he gets.

We saw too that in the limited cricket world they have seen, Afghanistan have made impressive strides. They deserve to be tested more at another level. They looked far from ready against England, and they will continue to be that way against teams with pace and bounce, but they have shown spirit, and a couple of players have caught the eye.

But the problem in world cricket outside the top eight is not as much with Ireland or Afghanistan or Netherlands or anyone else seeking to break in but with those already in but not looking the part. Zimbabwe and Bangladesh were terribly disappointing and I suspect for their own development they need to be asked some hard questions. At least Zimbabwe can point to political and allied issues but Bangladesh can't. They have the funds, the facilities and the opportunities but not the results.

Like Indians and Pakistanis, Bangladeshis are great cricket lovers. They love watching cricket, they support it well, and they deserve more from the team that is out playing for them. It is now 12 years since they played their first Test and their win-loss record is 3-63. Losing 63 out of 73 Tests played, many at home, is a woeful record. They do a bit better in one-day internationals with 72 wins to 188 losses but if you take the top eight cricket nations only, their record plunges to 20 out of 152. In their Test batting averages only four players (who have played ten or more Tests) make it past 30. Two of those don't reach 31 and no one is close to 40. Only one of their bowlers averages in the vicinity of 30. It gets worse. Of the three slots left (batting average over 30, bowling average around 30) Shakib Al Hasan fills two.

At a similar stage in their development, Sri Lanka had a win-loss figure of 4-27 out of 55 Tests, which wasn't great but was better. But, critically, they had already produced Roy Dias, Duleep Mendis, Aravinda de Silva, Arjuna Ranatunga, Roshan Mahanama, Sanath Jayasuriya, Asanka Gurusinha, Hashan Tillakaratne, Muttiah Muralitharan and Chaminda Vaas. The base had been laid and they were ready to move on. Bangladesh have Shakib and occasionally Tamim Iqbal, and really, that's it.

I got the feeling here that everyone other than Shakib was batting two places higher than ideal. In good teams batsmen seem to be batting one position lower than where they are capable of playing. With Bangladesh it was the other way around. Mushfiqur Rahim and Mahmudullah at Nos. 4 and 5 suggested there aren't batsmen to fill those positions.

They spark sometimes, do Bangladesh, like they did at home during the Asia Cup, when they beat India and Sri Lanka and almost beat Pakistan in the final. But their next world-class player isn't yet in sight and I think it might benefit their cricket if they are challenged a bit more; if it is suggested to them that they need to prove they are closer to the top eight than to the next four, or that else they might have to play more in the little league. A small threat might jolt them into looking at the system that produces cricketers and in being fairer to their many fans who so dutifully and admirably sustain the game there.

World cricket needs the top eight to be challenged more if ICC events have to be more competitive. In two and a half years we will again have 14 teams at the World Cup in Australia and New Zealand, and you cannot have a competition that is waiting to begin halfway into its fixtures.

I had thought that T20 would make world events like this one more competitive. It didn't happen in Sri Lanka.

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Posted by M_Rakibul_Islam on (October 1, 2012, 18:33 GMT)

Well, it's little bit unfair to compare BD only with Asian test sides. Harsha might've forgotten Kiwis! Now come to the point. BD lacks Test skills & everyone knows why it is happening. BD have funds, facilities but not a good First Class Tournament yet, that's it. Only a good & structured domestic circuit can change BD. Otherwise BD will struggle to find their next world class player after Shakib throughout this decade.

Posted by   on (October 1, 2012, 4:31 GMT)

India was granted test status1932.India achieved its first ever Test victory in 1951-52 when it beat England in Madras. Having made its Test debut in 1932, India had to wait for 20 long years in the sidelines before making its mark in the big stage. India had the wait another decade to register another test win after that.India has about 1.5 billion population with annual GDP of $4.457 trillion, but failed produce quality fast bowler like Pakistan and Sri lanka. Indian batsmen's knee wobbles when they go to play overseas. Bangladesh made them early exit from some major tournament including this year Asia cup where Pakistan was champion and Bangladesh was runner up. Against Pakistan they have 121 ODI Matches - 48 won by India, 69 won by Pakistan. No result 4. Test 59 Matches - 9 won by India, 12 won by Pakistan. India was beaten by Australian in 15 overs in current T20 world cup. Please sniff your own armpits before sneaking into other

Posted by   on (September 30, 2012, 23:20 GMT)

Hello Mr. Similarly I'm also shameful to compare Indian cricket team to cricketing powerhouse Australia or South Africa. When Indian cricket team plays against them I feel myself watching a comedy show.

Posted by i_amVIVA on (September 30, 2012, 22:35 GMT)

all true Mr. Bhogle, but only if big eight would agree to play more often with the so called minnos for the sake of improving and popularising cricket throughout the world...

Posted by DaisonGarvasis on (September 30, 2012, 11:50 GMT)

Players like Ashraful gets selected over and over again no matter what he does in middle. Every time I see him bat its the same old story - one or two boundaries. Then throw the bat at everything, perish and then a grandstanding of shaking head, beating the pads and walk of shame to the stands. They need more mental training too.

Posted by TwohedulAzam on (September 30, 2012, 11:39 GMT)

@ Dhutugemunu- its good to see that you have accepted the India v Bang comparison, the questions one need to ask now if BD gets this criticism why not India with the relative performance (in comparison with their resources) they show? Now coming back to Srilanka comparison. Yes, Srilanka done well if you look at the time with the resources thay have. But, if you look at their history you would see that they have been playing first class /or similar cricket for over 100 years. That means they were preparing themselves way before than getting in to test arena. The other things about Srilankan is that they are better athlets than Indian/BD/Pak. Actualy, you have now prompted me to ask for a comparison between India & Srilanka? I know that if you are an Indian fan that would not bring any smile on your face for sure considering the volume, time, and other resources India had on offer compared to that tiny Island?

Posted by   on (September 30, 2012, 9:52 GMT)

But I do agree that we have a long way to go to b a potent force in World Cricket. Bt certainly it is nt very nice to see Indians and Pakistanis insulting our team for no apparent reason.

Posted by   on (September 30, 2012, 9:49 GMT)

And yes, stats for u Harsha. India have not won a single match in Super 8's in T20 World Cup since IPl started in 2008. Bangladesh, too haven't, but if India, despite all their focuses on IPL and Champs League cannot do well in T20WC, why blame Bangladesh? Ppl need to look at themselves in the mirror b4 criticising others.

Posted by   on (September 30, 2012, 8:46 GMT)

After seeing the India-Australia one sided match someone may consider writing the story about India saying, "India should try to challenge the top teams in overseas". Mr Harsha, u may try the same!

Posted by kickassPakistan on (September 30, 2012, 8:43 GMT)

i remember watching as a kid when Srilanka came to Pakistan in 1983 on their first full series after gaining test status (incidentally it's the series when all Pakistani senior players revolted against Javed Miandad's captaincy and refused to play for the first two test). But one could instantly see that they had some serious talent Mendis,Whittamany,Dias,Demel,Gonatalaikae,Ratnayeke all were very good.i Remember Dias scoring a cracker of century in a one day international against Imran Khan at his peak. Unfortunately it has taken more than a decade for Bangladesh to produce a lone world class player such as Shakib ul hassan but never the less they have produced one and the game would be poorer with out his talent not being on show case. The Bangladesh might not have the natural flair and talent but they make it up with their passion and the world cricket needs to respect that and be more patient.

Posted by   on (September 30, 2012, 1:16 GMT)

As a Bangladeshi fan, it is quite unnerving to see them continuously lose in international tournies. They need to get into the habit of playing more first class cricket and take on the big boys more often. Playing against Ireland, the Netherlands and Scotland will not help. Maybe if we had a South Asian Federation for cricket whereby all teams in South Asia could compete on a regular basis in Tests, One Dayers and T20s, Bangladeshs (and Afghanistans) situation could improve.

Posted by Dhutugemunu on (September 30, 2012, 0:09 GMT)

Okay guys forget about the comparison between India and Bangladesh. Compare Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Bangladesh economy and population is higher than Sri Lanka. Still (12 years) after BD started playing Test cricket, it's less development compared to that small island. You guys can find the comparison in Harsha's article.

Posted by   on (September 29, 2012, 17:27 GMT)

Take bangladesh in india for ODIs an t20s. They will answer u as they have done before.

Posted by   on (September 29, 2012, 17:05 GMT)

Afghanistan-Ireland should be awarded Test Status. Bangladesh-Zimbabwe should get back to World Cup qualifiers and play non-Test countries!

Posted by   on (September 29, 2012, 16:03 GMT)

Bangladesh should concentrate team performance, in recent time spinners are not doing as they are and have to do.

Posted by F.Hashimi on (September 29, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

BD could not improve in 12 years or so. They only produce one to two decent cricketers in the last twelve years. Now compare that with Ireland and Afghanistan both teams in a very short period of time produce at least four world class player. I am suggesting that BD must play with Ireland and Afghanistan more often and this will be good for all of them.

Posted by   on (September 29, 2012, 14:34 GMT)

This T20 tourney should have been like round robin where each team playing playing each other once.The top four will play semi and team with most points in the standing may have immunity. Kind of like IPL.

Posted by TwohedulAzam on (September 29, 2012, 10:25 GMT)

Further to my 1st comment, talking about BD's performance in the big ICC tournament, in 2007 WC what they did-no need to mention again. In 2011 WC, they have won the same number of matches (including win against Eng) as the fourth team (it is most probably Eng) that qualified for super 8's but only missed out on net run rates. Now, I will give you a comparison of resources as this article talks about resources. India's population approx 10 times bigger than BD, their economy is probably 20 times bigger than BD, and they are playing cricket for nearly 70 years where as BD playing cricket for 12 years. Still if we compare major tournament's early exit in the last 5-6 years, India & BD are equal. India were knocked out by BD from 2007 WC and 2012 Asia Cup, on the other hand India won 2011 WC and perhaps Asia Cup before this last one. Yes, India went on to win these cups which they managed to survive but remember their resources above! So, it is not true that BD not challenging big teams!

Posted by tauhid_aks on (September 29, 2012, 8:59 GMT)

harsha, Bangladesh too has not played too much cricket, and so has not Zimbabwe. This huge gap has affected us badly.

Posted by mihir_nam on (September 29, 2012, 7:47 GMT)

Pakistan will postpone Zimbabwe tour in December to tour India.. so why can't Zimbabwe replace it with Ireland for 5 Odi's and 2 t20's if possible 1 4day first class game. Zimbabwe was anyways going to host Ireland was 5Odi's last year ,which was canceled due to Zim's return in Test Arena and Domestic cricket schedule. It will be Helpful for them to face Pakistan. Same way Bangladesh before West Indies Series should host Afghanistan for 3Odi's and 4day match.

ICC themselves should host Ireland,Bangladesh,Zimbabwe,Afghanistan Quadrangular in UAE , Sharjah .which will draw good crowds for Afghanistan and Bangladesh games.. Even if hosted in England it will bring good crowds.. ICC use to host small Tri Series of associates with one full member before 2007 WC.

Posted by   on (September 29, 2012, 6:19 GMT)

Bangladesh is doing well in ODI and improved in Tests as well if you go through the records of the last 2 years. They have already world class player like Shakib and Tamim. Players like Nasir, Zia, Mushfiq, Mahmudullah, Zunaid are coming up. We just lack of one Fast Bowler. This is only where I feel we are lagged behind. Whatever conditions we play, we only depend on spinners. This is why when pitches do not suit spinners we struggle. Loosing only T20s does not deserve your harsh words on Bangladesh. T20 is always a unpredictable. You can't take it seriously. Once we played a test series after 14 months, how could you expect a team will get succeed after such a long break? If you are competing us with other 8 teams , let us play the number of tests/odi/t20s they play.

Why don't you compare India such way, Mr Bhogle? They lost against England and Australia badly 4-0 in tests quite convincingly. So, why don't you suggest them not play any more tests in foreign soil, huh ?

Posted by   on (September 29, 2012, 4:14 GMT)

tfjones1978: I really like your Idea, but I think it has some flaws but a modified version of it is definitely a winner and a way forward. I think elevation of associates to temporary test status, based on performances against the A teams is not fair on the main team, since their fate depends on the performance of the bench of that country, hence giving an unfair advantage to the country with the better bench strength and often we see players not quite there to play first team cricket being played occasionally on both the teams in one season, that is going to create problems and wouldn't be fair. What I suggest is league system like in a first class league,two tiers the bottom of the table in the top tier swap with the top of the league in the second tier in the following season. This should be done once the Test championship is setup and each team is evaluated on a annual basis.

Posted by   on (September 29, 2012, 2:04 GMT)

Ireland is supposed to be a reasonable team, I suppose. What would be fascinating, would be for Afghanistan to join the test club. The various Cricket boards, are all there because of the Commonwealth. The boards are an image of their governments. The Pakistan board, England board, etc., not to forget the other nations. It seems, the Afghan govt., is a little unusual in this setup, what with their jirga's of the elders, etc. I really would like this team among the test players.

Posted by Swampy5 on (September 29, 2012, 1:53 GMT)

@Meety - I fully agree with you. Rather than attack the weaker teams, attack the poor formats. Ironically, the only WC which had a good group format was the 2007 WC, where there was a lot of interest generated by Ire and BD progressing ahead of Pak and Ind, but the tournament got ruined after by the drawn-out Super 8s when it should have gone straight to quarter finals. BD have been poor in this tournament, but I'm not sure what Harsha's actually trying to say in this article apart from following suit with so many other journos in attacking BD when they lose. If we want to help the weaker nations, promote Ire and Afg to test status and organise them to play each other and Zim and BD regularly, whilst ensuring they occasionally test themselves against stronger opposition as well.

Posted by FOTO on (September 29, 2012, 1:16 GMT)

You guys don't be blind. Afghanistan has like 1 or 2 good players and they don't even bat consistent as Shakib does.Afghanistan gets all out and BD doesn't. Doesn't Ireland play cricket longer than BD. And also BD can beat dangerous teams on consistent basis in ODI. Yes they lack pace bowling and leg sinners. They rely on left arm spin too much. Captaincy is poor. Fielding is poor. It was just a bad tour. Doesn't mean it is gonna ruin their whole career. ODI is what matters. ODI is what gives you test status if your associate.

Posted by woodhaven on (September 29, 2012, 1:02 GMT)

how fast people forget--in the last series bangladesh beat india and srilanka and played final and lost in a narrow margin. before that series they lost srilanka, in last 5 years every series they played the result was 2-1. i think bangladesh team is better than NZ and west indies and better bowling attack than india

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 23:19 GMT)

And other teams batsman need to be threaten more by Indian bowlers. bd had just 2 bad games nd u played the same old record. fact is whenever bd starts to compete there is a big pause in their playing schedule. u can download the ftp of icc nd see how much cricket they r gonna get in upcoming years. when u play after such long intervals in the position of bd player where as all the other teams are having tour consistently there is a clear difference in the picture.

Posted by tfjones1978 on (September 28, 2012, 23:14 GMT)

The best way of increasing the skill level of associate cricket is: [1] Including guaranteed matches in the future tours program for the top six associates for ODI and T20I matches. [2] Limit world cup to 8 teams with qualifying matches as the guaranteed future tour matches (eg: T20I qualifiers: 15 opponents x 2 matches over 2 years; ODI qualifiers 15 opponents x 6 matches over 4 years). [3] Limit the future tour program "delay" period to maximum of six months for T20I & ODI and 12 months for test matches. Award series uncontested to any team where they opponent refuses to play them prior to "delay" period ending. [4] Reduce Bang & Zimb to temp full status. Include Bang A & Zimb A teams into ICup matches. The two teams that make it into the ICup final play Bang & Zimb for temp full status (ie: test status) for next ICup period, where their A team plays. If Bang A makes it to ICup final then Bang renews their temp full status (similar for Zimb A for Zimb).

Posted by F.Hashimi on (September 28, 2012, 22:45 GMT)

I totally agree! I believe Afghanistan and Ireland should be given a lot more chances because they have shown their great potential in international level. I see a great future for both of these teams in the near future.

Posted by FOTO on (September 28, 2012, 22:43 GMT)

Tamim is really unreliable for WC's. He is not consistent at it when the team needs it the most. I have to say but Nasir is a better batsmen when it comes to any cup games. Shakib is outstanding but other tigers must join in the hunt with him. Otherwise the rest are all pussy cats and Shakib has to try and protect them. The other players need to put there hands up and give 100% in every game and play intelligently, mentally, and physically. And also to other Bangladesh haters, T20 i a short format of the game with 20 overs. Where as Test is the long format of the game and has 90 overs. How do you rip test status when you lose a T20 game? You can in an a ODI game but why T20?!

Posted by TwohedulAzam on (September 28, 2012, 22:11 GMT)

After Mr Purohit, here comes another one, it looks like you guys are in a mission! But, Harsha is one of my favorite commentator. Anyways, in the last 2-3 years BD's ODI performance have improved significantly which I guess everyone knows specially after a few of my fellow BD fans posted the stats here, even before in 2007 we famously knocked out India out of the WC to add some spice to the global tournament which Harsha wants to see. Before this T20 fun fare (which is not even considered as cricket by many pundits), we last played in the Asia Cup and the rest everybody knows. So, why this harsh criticism of team BD after such a good show in their last serious tournament (please do not tell me you consider this 2 match t20 as serious cricket)? In 2012 BD only played 4 ODI's and no tests yet, where as other teams are constantly playing at each other. The real problem is that the big teams are denying BD the chance to play but they are quick to criticize. And this article is no different

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 21:40 GMT)

The Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) must have a good monitoring system at the grass-root level that will teach young players how to handle the pitfalls of success. They should be exposed to the lives of exemplary cricketers like Sachin Tendulkar, Imran Khan, Clive Lloyd, Don Bradman and Gary Sobers. They need to be taught about the right attitude while representing the nation as a player.

Posted by anton111 on (September 28, 2012, 21:36 GMT)

Bangladesh and Zimbabwe should be stripped of test status. Otherwise Afghanistan and Ireland should be given test status as those 2 are definitely better than Bangladesh and Zimbabwe

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 21:28 GMT)

Mr. Harsha Bhogle, thank you very much for your valuable comments. I thing u guys should think about your own team and please don't criticise others.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 20:34 GMT)

Why do people love attacking Bangladesh, their history is very young (its very younger than me)- give Bangladesh time ; their current team is better than their previous teams. Bangladesh players are very young and they are improving now. They are actually a very good ODI team it seems. Bangladesh lacks pace bowlers, matches and they rely too heavily on left arm spinners.

Posted by The_Ashes on (September 28, 2012, 19:33 GMT)

Also I think some fans even experts are being a little harsh on these teams because it was a T20 tournament and real Cricket fans should know that this format is not the right way to judge any team because recently in these formats both Pakistan and England have been bowled out way under <99 but we all know how good these 2 Cricket teams are. I agree yes that the 4 lower ranked teams in this tournament should've played to their full potential but really apart from Zimbabwe, Afghanistan who are completely new to the stage gave World Champs India a tough ride. Ireland performed reasonably okay and Bangladesh apart from the first game showed against Pakistan how you cannot underestimate them. Bangladesh will for once be playing a full series next month and that's the time to judge whether their Asia Cup performance was another one of these flukes or they have finally set themselves the platform and until them we'll just have to wait. ODIs and Tests are of course the real deal am I right?

Posted by The_Ashes on (September 28, 2012, 19:24 GMT)

The headline is spot on but is there 'enough' opportunity for lower ranked teams to challenge the top 8? I mean both Zimbabwe and Bangladesh have not played at all much Cricket this year with Zimbabwe playing their one and only series against New Zealand way back in January and Bangladesh well only the Asia Cup meaning not 1 Test match which I honestly must say is simply ridiculous and something must be done fast. Ireland definitely needs to play a lot of Cricket and Bangladesh and Zimbabwe need to invite not just them but the other associates and maybe you could play a tri/quadrangular series so that will keep the game interesting and of course thrive especially in the long term. More teams in Cricket the better but when it comes to the state of Test Cricket its quite obvious that there's a big gap between the higher ranked teams and the lower ranked teams so it would be of good interest to seriously consider Ireland in the ranks so you can have a proper and competitive system.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 18:32 GMT)

I think India would be the team to give the breakthrough.The reason They have the worst bowling attack .In the Asia cup even Bangladesh skipper acknowledged it and the India bowling attack oblidged by loosing to it

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 18:23 GMT)

BD are just not up to the scratch - end of. No arguments like 'look at their record in last couple of years' n all that. They were granted Test status back in 1999. Its been 13 years. The record people here are mentioning, should have come atleast 5 years ago. I think its time they are 'relegated' back to Associate level and either of Ireland, Netherland or Afghanistan given a chance. They can't do as bad as Bangladesh have done. Absolutely terrible

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 17:36 GMT)

sad for me but true.Ireland is doing very good if compared with BD. I am a great fan of cricket. I never miss any of BD matches.When there is a BD match, wait for it with a great excitement, have that day free from everything else and eventually end up with another frustration :(......no to be blamed we just dont have talents.the sooner the supporters realize the better it'll b.

Posted by hasib9 on (September 28, 2012, 17:23 GMT)

BD played almost all of their T20s this year. They didn't have enough time to select their best T20 team for the World Cup. Players like Mahmudullah and Mushfiq should have been dropped but there wasn't enough time to pick their replacements. Fast bowling is also very ordinary. Rubel Hussain was injured and most BD bowlers lack pace. That's where the problem is. But Mahmudullah and Mushfiq are not match winners by a long shot in the T20 format and they need to be dropped. Anamul Hoque and some power hitters are required to fill their spurs.. Mushfuq is not physically built and Mahmudullah is weak. They get caught near the rope more often than not when they try to hit sixes.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 17:07 GMT)

leaving all the emotional stance, i am definitely along with harsha'a point of view of this BD team! We are soo emotional sometimes that we dont want to acknowledge the fact that we are unable to produce talented player in all these years. Only few player has the ability to perform well in world stage, and that number is only 5. I think only tamim, shakib, mashrafee, naseer and rahim has the capability to perform in bigger stage, however naseer and rahim need to expose more to become more reliable player in BD team. Apart from them, no1 in BD team are ready to consider in other country's club cricket. It is fact, not bias!

Posted by wiseshah on (September 28, 2012, 16:51 GMT)

wondering what harsha will say after indias defeat against australia.

Posted by Aboss on (September 28, 2012, 16:20 GMT)

Well written Harsha, the problem is that Bangladesh have some very mediocre players playing in the team. your point abt Ban batsmen batting to high is also true. i am sure the talent must be available in Ban, it has not been harnessed yet. T20 crkt will also slow Ban development at the test level. how many centuries has tendu scored in T20's. tamim is good but he does not know how to construct long innings, when was the last time a Ban batsman batted out the whole day in a test match. never!!

Posted by CricketChat on (September 28, 2012, 16:19 GMT)

Have 2 leagues with the top 8 established teams in one and other upcoming countries (Afg, Ire, Netherlands and USA/Bahamas etc.) in the other. Push bottom 2 from first league into 2nd and top 2 from 2nd into first. That will give incentive for swapped teams to work hard and make it more competitive.

Posted by Sarfin on (September 28, 2012, 16:08 GMT)

To support my previous comment I've this small bit of stats. From 2010, Bangladesh have played 38 ODIs against top 8, and 9 times emerged as victorious. Winning percentage is 23.68. That's not too bad for a low ranked team. Most interestingly, in 2012, they have played only 4 ODIs (all in Asia cup against Pak, SL, India) and had 2 victories. Others were close matches. These indicates some development. It also shows they don't get enough chance to play. In fact, I feel frustrated sometimes. But that is from over expectations.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 16:04 GMT)

long story short, BD have turned out to be more pussy cats than tigers...shakib is exceptional, and tamim has some raw talent...the others wouldn't play their way into a half-decent club side even...so I dont blame BD; they just don't have the talent...about time their supporters realised the same..

Posted by Sarfin on (September 28, 2012, 15:49 GMT)

The way you presented things, it seems you are spot on. But I want to highlight few things. Bangladesh's records against top eight nations are really poor as you've said. But if you consider last two or three years, then that doesn't look so bad. During this time Bangladesh have beaten NZ 4-0 at home. Had some results against India, Sri Lanka, England, WI. They beat SA in an unofficial T20. They reached the final of Asia cup which was their last major tournament before World T20I. One bad tournament and you've started harsh criticizing. People seems to forget too easily Bangladesh gets a very few chance against top nations and in recent years they have pulled some good victory. They were in a winning course in the rain washed Test against WI in Chittagong. So, there's lots of positives. I can criticize Bangladesh cricket better as I follow the domestic tournaments as well. But I must say Bangladesh is making good progress and the margin is lessening. All they need is to play more.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 15:39 GMT)

Shakib - the only world class player for Bangladesh ? what about Tamim Iqbal ? He is one of the best openers in d world n a classic t - 20 player ..

Posted by Baber_Baloch on (September 28, 2012, 15:17 GMT)

i belive BD brother very good as they shown against us Pak ,,,they are better than other like ire...afg...shakib is great player

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 14:34 GMT)

I think Anamul Haque is the next world class player in sight Harsha. He was by a long margin the top scorer at the recently concluded Under-19 World Cup. Also the very young Nasir just made his debut last year and turned out to be a great success and if he continues to progress, will easily become Bangladesh's next best batsman in just a few years. Fielding has been a bit of a problem but now the likes of Nasir and Anamul have come, Bangladesh's fielding will get much better. The major issue with Bangladesh is pace bowling which is extremely poor and apart from Mashrafe, the rest are plain ordinary. Also fans of other teams are right that Bangladesh players need to travel abroad all over and experience and play in different conditions. Bangladesh for once have made a start by striking deals with boards to play in List A games such as the one against West Indies currently at the moment in Bangladesh and other teams previously like the England Lions earlier this year so its a start.

Posted by arunmp3 on (September 28, 2012, 13:58 GMT)

from india

bangladesh shud invest in players who have talent rather than investing in more thn enough time in flops like ashraful................

to me tamim iqbal too is world class , nasir hossain looks a very gud talent and temperament he shud be given opportunity to bat in the top order not in lower order between their bowling looks awful but shaiful n shadat cud be handful against mid tier teams...........

Posted by Nilesh_T on (September 28, 2012, 12:50 GMT)

Short point is Bangladesh cricket is going nowhere. What's the point in having just passionate fans without the players of mettle or substance. Considering the number of years they have ben playing cricket at international level,its just not good enough and the fans should feel completely let down. On hindsight they got entry to world cricket way too soon without proper foundations. None of their players over the years has ever been held in awe or fear by the opposition and unless there is a drastic turnaround they will continue to wear the tag of being easybeats. No wonder they struggle to get invite to a full series on Indian soil,stadiums would be near empty - unfortunate but true.

Posted by Devapriya on (September 28, 2012, 12:40 GMT)

I agree with most of the comments by Harsha. About having to wait till half way for a World Cup to get going properly - I think the same happens in Football World Cups - the usual 'culprits' are there to fight the last stages while the 'rif raf' get eliminated in the earlier rounds.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 12:30 GMT)

Well said Harsha..bd cricket team doesn't have any consistency while they have all the opportunities to grow. And that obviously not a good sign for cricket lovers for Bangladesh and rest of the world. We would like to see a new challenge for cricket world and I think bd has that opportunity. But for some reason they keep failing n trying to make all this excuses not to meet the expectations. One good win n no more sound.its like one feed in a whole year. I know some ppl wouldn't like this but this is true..SICK OF SEE U LOOSING,BD TEAM.

Posted by Nazmul_jessore on (September 28, 2012, 12:15 GMT)

Mr. Harsha Bhogle::::: You look to cricket in professionally, But we are not. We look cricket to love, fan and entertainment. Most of the top 8 cricket team has many game playing performance. But we..... have'n. Because last 1.6 years how many test play bangladesh?????

Posted by Tiger_Forever on (September 28, 2012, 12:04 GMT)

if your idea of world class cricketer is Harbhajan Singh and Laxmipati Balaji, thank God Bangladesh doesn't have them.....constructive criticism is good, but you seem to be forgetting the lack of matches Bangladesh play...cheers

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 10:01 GMT)

Ireland fans have been saying till they are blue in the face (!?!) when teams tour England - include a visit to Dublin or Belfast... or invite Ireland for a warmup 3 day in (eg) Cardiff. It's been said on forums and I am just one fan who has emailed ICC about this. Not that I got a reply of course!! What the Saffers did this year was just what we need -but for the weather -(and oh yes, a better attitude from SOME english counties) this years schedule with SA-A was excellent IMO. But why not do something like this with all sides visiting Eng? Or as EDGIE suggests - let the t20s Eng v Tourists be expanded to a triangular with Ireland... even a four way knockout with Scot or Afgh? There is huge demand - I would argue need - to have fresh blood in Cricket. ICC please - with great respect - wake up!

Posted by Purbo23 on (September 28, 2012, 9:57 GMT)

we are the one give space for them to talk. We took test status in 2001 and still in 2012 we are not ready. Achieving test status means that we are ready for playing test cricket, not coming here to learn for 11 years keep loosing match after match. But are we (BCB!!) learning from our mistakes?? No, we include players like Abul Hasan in the team. What extra ordinary performance make him include in the squad? Same goes for Shaful and Ashraful. Do we have pacers in making like 2001-02 Masrafee?? It's time that we start criticizing ourselves for our own betterment by fighting hard in the match.

Posted by SapnerJadukar on (September 28, 2012, 9:42 GMT)

I do agree with harsha here. Apart from few players others do not play on their true potential or not up to the international standard. They become irresponsible to follow their duty and that makes fan irritated and country in a disgrace. Come on guys you are professional, you are payed to do the job.. bring some win for the fan and country who ever you get change to play with. A true warrior always play for win. So, don't give excuse of not get to many game with the full member. Recently we have experienced some disturbing defeat even though we were in a position to win because of some irresponsible players. They should be discipline and chance be given to the players who are serious and play for the pride of their country.

Posted by rchathuranga on (September 28, 2012, 9:21 GMT)

Harsha..... What are you talking here , u gotta be kidding me What kind of competition are you talking about , don't try to condemn the things which fascinated the cricketing world , solely yesterday the double catch the fire in a grand manner.And we need competitions like this. What you ask more? If Afghans beat India then still will u write the same? your intention is clear but pls keep in mind this is not a IPL the club match, this is a world event

Posted by CricketFan365 on (September 28, 2012, 9:02 GMT)

It's true that Bangladesh's records were awful few years back, but Bangladesh have improved in recent years. At the beginning of the highest level Bangladesh needed to have enough cricket like the Ireland or Afghans need now and Bangladesh had it. Unfortunately, it didn't work out well for Bangladesh but that doesn't mean it would happen the same to Ireland or other teams. Since Bangladesh have shown improvement in the recent years, they need to play more cricket against bigger teams to justify it. If they fails to do so, ICC can go back to the less cricket theory for Bangladesh.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 8:56 GMT)

Perfect article and a perfect attack on Bangladesh Cricket with a very clean heart. Yes, Bangladesh Cricket has funds (unlimited), proper infrastructural facilities and the support of a cricket-fanatic nation. By now we should have a PERMANENT place in the top bunch to gain the respect of world cricket. We need to find out answers of all those whys! I strongly believe our players do not lack talent and skill - they lack on-the-field commitment and focus, where carelessness of a nanosecond digs the grave. Or perhaps team management is not professional enough to make our players properly apply their skills. I have no access to know whether the team management has the right quality and personality to make our players play accountably. However, while developing the skill, our players should actively motivate themselves to avoid silly mistakes on the field. Silly mistakes do cost you defeat where skill surely fails to play the role of a saviour.

Posted by abs.liton on (September 28, 2012, 8:47 GMT)

@ Harsha Vogle: You wrote well but you forgot to mention one thing. Ireland demands to play more international crickets against test playing countries. You should understand why they demand it. It's because without playing against those teams it is not easy to do well in the international cricket arena. Like the demand of Ireland, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe need more cricket against top 8 teams. If the top teams don't wanna play against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Ireland, Afghanistan, The Netherlands then how can these teams challenge to those top teams? You know better that India still did not invite Bangladesh to play in their home ground whereas other top teams invited several of times. I understand that Bangladesh have funds and other advantages but they need to improve in their domestic crickets. ICC and some of cricket legends can sing different kinds of songs against BD, ZIM, IRE, AFG, NED but they can't think how we can help them to improve their condition. At first help them then talk

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 8:43 GMT)

I'm glad Harsha brought this up but he needs to understand that Bangladesh or Zimbabwe hardly even play Cricket. In 2012 alone, Zimbabwe have only played one full series which was way back in January and since then nothing and Bangladesh well the only thing they played in was the Asia Cup so you can see part of the major problem lack of Cricket. Whereas other teams in that period i.e. Sri Lanka have played a mamoth 20 ODIs compared to Bangladesh 4 in 2012 alone. If this keeps going on with the lowest of full members Zim and Ban then they will most likely remain that way into the next decade which I would hate to see happen. Ireland and the rest of the top associates should in the meantime have plenty of ODIs not just against teams of their level but against full members too. Its a real shame that calling teams ranked 9th or below still high numbers numerically as 'minnows' because it just shows Cricket has not really developed and spread in its 100 years of International Cricket.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 8:36 GMT)

Harsha Bhogle....why don't you analyze the first 12 years of India's Test playing time....!! If BD need challenged then India definitely does so....you play good cricket for 1 year then for another 5 years you look shadows of that good 1 year...... Agree with Tanseem Raihan's Comment....and also agree with Harsha that BD need some good cricketers who can lead them to world stage like Sakib...once we found that in Ash's bat but he is almost a finished product now and I believe Mahmudullah is not the same player once we thought a good replacement for Alok....want Different players for different ( t20,test,odi) games......Tiger.

Posted by Breaking_Point on (September 28, 2012, 8:32 GMT)

Yah!agree with u Mr Harsha! But you r missing "the" main Point! I mean look at the FTP/fixture!top 8 especially India,AUS,SA doesn't want to play!! & i think you don't know that Bangladesh last played a "Test" a year ago & that test was played after a gape of a year too!!! & you do know that BD is yet to play INDIA IN INDIA?????? The fact is inspite of being a test side,Bangladesh are isolated!!!!it's the truth!!just look at the FTP!! But in the end it really doesnt matter as the passion is there! I can promise u that the next home series vs WI going to see a huge crowd as usual no matter what happens(like 58,78)!! & the recent article of "ABHISHEK PUROHIT" is a funny one! Do u guys really think that PRESSURE FROM MEDIA/PUBLIC will improve a side???????????????what a joke!

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 8:31 GMT)

Look BD 3 points shy from New Zealand nd Zimbabwe 24 points, for 8th place...so please Mr. Harsha Bhogle check the statistics nd not to post Zimbabwe nd BD in same list... thank you!!! http://www.espncricinfo.com/rankings/content/current/page/211271.html

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 8:22 GMT)

India and their some of people just wait all-time to use bad comments against BD. Because BD stooped them to win one World Cup and recent Asia Cup & also they always scare to play against BD (check the record)...lollzz

Posted by abhi_icsl on (September 28, 2012, 8:19 GMT)

What about Indian team? No fast bowler. Zak too bad with old ball. It really hurts too much after seeing him beaten by every batsman in slog overs.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 8:14 GMT)

before Criticizing bangladesh for their poor test performnace, u also got to look at how many test matches they play these days and the long intervals. if u play test matches after 1 year intervals then how can u perform better?

and hello neighbors!! India, who is yet to guest bangladesh for a home series!

and yes there are faults in Bangladesh's side too. Domestic Cricket is not competitive, No bouncy wickets (cause of demise in foreign soil and lack of good fast bowler), Adminstration is not efficient and so on!

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 8:12 GMT)

Harsha Vogle....do u think BD is playing enough international cricket? Can u explain when we all are talking about challenging more the top 8, BD still wait for an INDIA tour... BD challenged INDIA well in ODI both in home & abroad... We know well who caused INDIA a bitter elimination from 2007 world cup & 2012 asia cup... & we do not put excuse regarding our domestic level... we need to arrange more stronger platform for A team or other MID level teams... we will surely improve on that...

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 8:11 GMT)

Zimbabawe and Bangladesh should never have been made Full Members. Not only are they nowhere near good enough, but their being full members is blocking the development of the better associates, and causing a lot of pointless mismatches that no-one wants to watch, in an international schedule that is too crowded anyway. And as said in the article, it's not doing their own development any good either.

Posted by soumyas on (September 28, 2012, 8:02 GMT)

current T20 ranking has separated MENS from BOYS...difference from top 8 teams to remaining teams is HUGE.

Posted by 777aditya on (September 28, 2012, 7:54 GMT)

Quite frankly, Harsha, you cannot compare Bangladesh with Zimbabwe. Agreed, Bangladesh have been underachievers (their team on paper looks talented). I think it is time for them to move on without Ashraful, who looks a pale shadow of his glowing past. Aftab Ahmed, who used to be a good, solid cricketer deserves another chance instead. Also, their pace bowlers get hammered around. Ireland and Afghanistan have done a shade better. Why not have these teams compete with A teams of India, Pakistan, Australia, England, and South Africa to start with? If these teams can beat the A teams consistently, only then they should be allowed a World Cup entry.

Posted by crashed on (September 28, 2012, 7:41 GMT)

To gain experience you need oppertunities. The only way to have oppertunities is to participate in championships like this. Win or loose you will gain experience. But for all the effort you are going through, planning, practice etc..... you should have to work towards a goal. That goal would be something you can attain and looking forward to achieve. For these teams not in the top eight i believe there should be plate championship. Then nobody can ask why these teams are there and it is a waste of time and money since after a few games they will be send home empty handed as it is currently. Put a plate up for grabs and the whole structure of the game change, They get the oppertunity to play the bigger nations (top 8 if you want) and then they get a chance to proof themselves agaisnt equal strength teams in the second half of the championship. If ICC agree to this it will be a win win situation and nobody can question the lesser teams participation within a major competition.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 7:40 GMT)

I wish Mr Harsha watched Anamul Haque in Under-19 World Cup ( Bangladesh finish ahead of Pakistan) before saying 'their next world-class player isn't yet in sight.' Its easy saying things. He would better suggest India how to win a Test outisde sub-continent. 0-4 in England and 0-4 in Australia seem too much

Posted by Romanticstud on (September 28, 2012, 7:36 GMT)

I reckon ... T20 is very popular ... why not this scenario ... instead of 3 teams in a group ... expand the world cup ... it is a world cup ... let Kenya ... Netherlands ... and 6 others play ... added to the 12 teams and then each team will play 4 qualifying games ... so each associate nation will have two tough games and two other games ... then for the second round ... let the top 4 in each group progress ... into 8 knockout games ... quarters ... semi ... final ... maybe then you will find upsets ... but there will also be more involvement form the associate nations ... at least 4 games each ... and a chance for some to progress ...

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 7:36 GMT)

Sir, you made the right point that if teams like Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Ireland play more against the top 8 teams they have the capability to improve. They have shown glimpses of their performance in 2007, 2011 WCs, Asia cup 2012 and other occasions. But even the teams amongst the top 8 are now a days sometimes not playing top quality cricket, NZ and WI are teams that come to mind. Even England isnt that consistent when it comes to limited overs cricket. Only SA, Aus and India are a bit consistent. SL hasnt won a test series since Murali retired. The overall level of cricket being played around the world needs to be looked upon if it needs to attract viewers. The IPL, Big bash and Champions league cant just be prime sources of entertainment...

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 7:34 GMT)

i think its the money issue why top teams dont play bottom ones... we shud do away with bilateral odi series and do at least triangulars which was a norm in the 1990s but somehow thats disappeared

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 7:29 GMT)

Dear harsha,look at cricket schedule made by ICC,BD got fewer chance to play test against Top 8 countries.How could BD progress in this way ?? plz ask ICC for this issue before making comments.How do u know about BD league??? Top foreign players always participated there.Nasir Hossain,Elius Sunny,Anamul were performed at any level of cricket.BD players are very young....just wait for another two years,ur India will thrashed by them that i am sure.Its true that bd has few star like tamim,sakib but they play like a unit.When others country play poor cricket even lost by an innings,why u dont ask about their performance or test status??? Are u jealous of BD's progression??? Cricket nation like Ireland,Netherland,Afganistan,Zim all have to also get more chances to play with top nations if consider cricket for globalization

Posted by SpartaArmy on (September 28, 2012, 6:56 GMT)

T20 can be the attractive side of the cricket to lure countries where the name itself rings no bells other than 'some kind of insect'. ICC should use it more carefully to attract more countries. It would be a wonderful sight if teams from n&s america's become serious participants in test/odi. They bring in new culture and it would be fresh breathe of life for the current cricket lovers. But it seems more like a day dream, as ICC seems to have no proper plan to increase the cricket scope. They feel sufficient the way it is and just want to make sure that the game is survived in the top 8 countries.

Posted by dsig3 on (September 28, 2012, 6:54 GMT)

It really has to be BD. The other countries will never gain enough support and funds to make them genuine test sides. Their early reliance on slow left armers has really stunted their development.

Posted by owaismasood on (September 28, 2012, 6:52 GMT)

I think that Bangleshs Test should be revoked by the ICC. The so called 'Tigers' lack the talent, performances and character to be competing with the Top Tier Teams.

It's actually a shame that Bangladesh , a Full ICC Member, has to be compared with Afghanistan and Ireland!

Posted by Meety on (September 28, 2012, 6:35 GMT)

@Harsha Bhogle - I think the structure of the T20 is almost as much to blame as the "next 4" nations not being good enuff! A 12-team T20 W/Cup is unjustifiable, unlike in ODIs. The T20 W/Cup should of been 16 teams this time around & 20 or more next time. This would help create more incentive for "minnows" & depending on the format, create more meaning in these games. Ireland looked to be clearly a better team than Zimbabwe, & I think Afghanistan is on a level footing as Zim too. I think Bangladesh has underperformed so far, but I think that there is too much expected of them. They played far too many tests in their first 3 or 4 years. I think that in their first 8 years, they should not of played about half the matches they did. The FTP is a joke, Bangladesh need to be playing Zimbabwe on a yearly basis over 3 or 4 tests in a series. There is plenty of scope to provisionally include Afg & Ire as test members, where they take on Zim & Bang.

Posted by British_North_America on (September 28, 2012, 6:29 GMT)

Drop Mushfiq and Mahmudullah, bring Junaed and Jahurul, make Shakib or Mashrafe captain, Abdur Razzak can be the vice captain.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 6:22 GMT)

Harsha Vogle....either you forgot or you deliberately avoided addressing one issue: BD needs to play more international cricket with the top eight teams which is not facilitated by ICC yet. This is not only true for BD, this is also true for teams like Ireland and Afghanistan.

Posted by xylo on (September 28, 2012, 5:50 GMT)

Good article. I am hoping you would shed some light on the state of New Zealand cricket before it dries up.

Posted by edgie on (September 28, 2012, 5:45 GMT)

The ICC is really at blame here. Instead of being a fully independant body looking after the interests and growth of the game, they are instead "lackys" to the likes of the BCCI and the ECB. Instead of all these Sri Lanka vs India bore feasts, and 5 test ashes series with 7 ODI's afterwards and 5 T20's, have a triangular series with an associate country being invited? Yes they might not have a chance, but if they are not tested or given the oppertunites to sharpen their skills, they will NEVER progress. In football, friendlies are played quite regularly, and this is a good way of weaker international teams to hone their streangths against stronger opposition. Yet in cricket you only see the associate teams at world cups. Seriously, the ICC needs to step in and even bring it's bad mates along for the ride, having the major nations assist the weaker ones in devloping their palyers.

Posted by CricketFan365 on (September 28, 2012, 5:43 GMT)

It's true that Bangladesh's records were awful few years back, but Bangladesh have improved in recent years. At the beginning of the highest level Bangladesh needed to have enough cricket like the Ireland or Afghans need now and Bangladesh had it. Unfortunately, it didn't work out well for Bangladesh but that doesn't mean it would happen the same to Ireland or other teams. Since Bangladesh have shown improvement in the recent years, they need to play more cricket against bigger teams to justify it. If they fails to do so, ICC can go back to the less cricket theory for Bangladesh.

Posted by Gizza on (September 28, 2012, 5:38 GMT)

You forgot to mention some of Bangladesh's wins came against a depleted West Indies side which makes their stats all the more depressing. The gap between 8 and 9 in cricket is huge. Zimbabwe came closest to narrowing the gap in the late 90's but since then it has only widened. But the gap between 10 and 11 isn't that big. Ireland and Afghanistan could very well consistently beat Bangladesh and Zimbabwe in all forms of cricket in five years time but whether they can go one level higher than them and compete with the top eight only time will tell.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 5:29 GMT)

I believe its time we separate both higher teams and lower teams at world events. I believe these lower teams could play against women's team which will be beneficial for both and a sense of pride for Women's cricket as and whenever they beat a menz side.

Posted by lousy_cricketer on (September 28, 2012, 5:21 GMT)

real issue is domestic structure of bangladesh, ireland, zim isnt strong enuf.. here the cricket boards & ICC can come together n arrange for more A team tours might be playing in the domestic league of certain countries. by again & admonishing the only team outside 8 countries (bangladesh) in which their r actual cricket lovers aint the brightest solutions...proper opportunities should b given. More international matches to be played with them...n its also a duty of other boards that complete strength squad r sent to these countries so that more n more fans turn up...how many matches did major team played with ireland/ zim/ bangla for last 3 years....

Posted by aewahid on (September 28, 2012, 5:16 GMT)

Well one possible solution is to ensure that Bangladesh gets more matches against top sides. Apart from the Asia Cup, Bangladesh have played only 0 matches against the top 8 sides this year which is now almost over. Ireland and Afghanistan need more matches and so to do Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe were making impressive strides not too long ago, one must remember. The problem is the ICC is inherently elitist, dominated by India/England/Australia. Even the likes of Pakistan, Sri Lanka and West Indies are in a de facto "2nd tier". Bangladesh play well when they play against top sides often. If they continue to play the likes of T and T and Barbados all the time, they will drop to that level. Bangladesh needs more Tests against teams like NZ and WI, top sides they can hope to compete with and they are unable to get that.

If the ICC are serious about expanding the game, they need to give Ireland and Afghanistan Test status. We already have 2 effective tiers, may as well go with it.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 5:12 GMT)

You can't expect the small teams to beat the big8 if you make them play only 2 matches every 2 years, just to see them get knocked out in the first round. Atleast give them 4 matches to prove at a worldstage..

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 5:05 GMT)

Bangladesh has been given chances more than they deserve. They don't look like an international team. They are like normal team which play the local league matches on Sunday afternoon. They are looking very ordinary on the field. They can say they have beaten India, Sri Lanka etc., but its like just a luck which favored on that particular day. They need to prove a point if they need to stay in the international level. Their bowlers are pathetic and their seems to be no competition at all from their side. Its time the Netherlands or Ireland can be given a chance to play regular international cricket. They can put some fight and even though don't win they can make the match interesting. Nothing against Bangladesh, only a concern that they don't use their opportunities. Its high time ICC move on to make Netherlands or Ireland a regular player in international cricket rather than naming them associate nation.

Posted by Baundele on (September 28, 2012, 5:02 GMT)

During the past one year, Bangladesh played only 4 tests, and Zimbabwe 2. After the Asia Cup in March, Bangladesh have not played a single ODI. They have played only 2 T20Is against the top 8 during this period. So, how do you expect a team to improve and perform consistently against top teams, when they are not allowed matches? Even with this limited opportunity, Bangladesh were within 2 runs of winning the Asia Cup, beating both India and Sri Lanka comprehensively. I like Harsha's articles; but for the globalization of cricket, the focus should be on the ICC.

Posted by S-Matrix on (September 28, 2012, 4:58 GMT)

The article might have shifted its focus subtly along its way. First it states that minnows, including Bangladesh, have not challenged the top teams in the T20 World Cup. Then, it relates that Shakib is the only quality player in Bangladesh, mentioning ODI and Tests. One might get the impression that the article says that Bangladesh has only one quality T20 player. As shown by Kieswetter, Pollard, Raina et al, one can be an effective T20 player without excelling in other formats.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 4:49 GMT)

I completely agree with Harsha. ICC has been very generous with Bangladesh. There was a lot of promise shown by the likes of Ireland during the ODI WC in 2011 and they deserve more encouragement. There have not even been sporadic incidents of competitiveness let alone brilliance by Bangladesh to justify them having test status for such a long period of time. They should be pitted against the Irelands, Afghanistans, Hollands of the cricketing world before they qualify to play against the top teams. It is difficult to even imagine that Sri Lanka had to go through a similar fate in the initial days. The rapid strides they have taken to be a top notch side is commendable and worthy of very high praise. The important thing here is the time factor and Sri Lanka have raced against time to get to the top.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2012, 4:32 GMT)

Hate to admit but the man is right. We haven't produced any good players or prospects other than Sakib in the last twelve years...

Posted by borhans on (September 28, 2012, 4:32 GMT)

After Bangladesh white wash west indies in test they have to take 2 years break in test ..cz ICC don't have any schedule for them ....there goes the performance ..& we now don't really blame our boys anymore cz they can't win in a format which they don't play for over 2 years ..Bangladesh showed really good performance in Odi cz we are having plenty of those recently .ICC should keep busy young teams more than the established test playing side cz youngs really need more good practice cz their pool of players in domestic league is not that great compare to other test playing nations ..& all these takes times ..talents don't come easily otherwise England don't have to go for foreign nationals & Australia suddenly won't look like a number 5 teams .& for those teams who are building everything new its more harder them to find or create good talented players

Posted by mdkzmnislam on (September 28, 2012, 4:16 GMT)

I'm really proud to get our true friend Harsha Bhogle in this analysis to our loving BD cricket team.. Actually, after reading your article I feel a lot of pain in my mind that is, why our players don't feel that pain? Our nation is waiting to see our team as a powerful cricket nation... Don't our loving players feel it?

Please, Harsha do something for our cricket team...... I beg you to do us the favour.................

Be happy always my hero, Harsha..........

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Harsha Bhogle Harsha Bhogle is one of the world's leading cricket commentators. Starting off as a chemical engineer and going on to work in advertising before moving into television, he is also a writer, quiz host, television presenter and talk-show host, and a corporate motivational speaker. He was voted Cricinfo readers' "favourite cricket commentator" in a poll in 2008, and one of his proudest possessions is a photograph of a group of spectators in Pakistan holding a banner that said "Harsha Bhogle Fan Club". He has commentated on nearly 100 Tests and more than 400 ODIs.

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