August 24, 2014

India disgraced themselves by not competing

MS Dhoni and the BCCI are to blame for a touring party that became too comfortable and compliant
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Dhoni's captaincy, keeping and bizarre selections badly hurt India
Dhoni's captaincy, keeping and bizarre selections badly hurt India © Getty Images

Unleashing his acerbic wit, cricket correspondent Martin Johnson once observed: "There are only three things wrong with this England team - they can't bat, can't bowl and can't field." By the end of this series the same could be said of the hapless Indian team that lost 3-1 to England, with an additional dimension: they had also lost the will to compete.

There's no disgrace in losing; it's part of cricketing life. However, what is disgraceful is failing to compete to the best of your ability and continuing to make the same mistakes. That's what India have done for the bulk of their last two visits to the UK and their most recent tour of Australia.

The latest English debacle was worse than those previous capitulations, because India achieved a monumental victory at Lord's. That should have been the springboard to a spirited attempt to stretch that lead but instead it became the top step on the slippery dip to oblivion.

MS Dhoni is a serial offender in those Indian debacles. In all three cases - the first two full series and the last three Tests of the recent capitulation - his captaincy failed to inspire the team. If anything, his style of leadership contributed greatly to their demise. From the moment he went on the defensive on the first day of the third Test, India's fortunes reversed quicker than a rat in retreat. His reactive, asleep-at-the-wheel captaincy was in direct contrast to the aggressive, proactive leadership he provided at Lord's.

One of India's biggest headaches is finding a replacement for Dhoni as Test captain following the repeated batting failures of his logical successor Virat Kohli

And it wasn't only Dhoni's captaincy that hurt India. His wicketkeeping has regressed to the point where it is not only adversely affecting the bowlers but also the slip cordon. First slip is a hazardous zone because Dhoni has given up attempting to catch anything other than a straightforward gift on the batsman's off side. Not only does his inactivity serve to narrow the reach of the slip cordon, it also creates confusion in the mind of the first-slip fielder. While Dhoni's flaws don't explain the woeful technique that caused an extraordinary number of chances to be floored in the slips, it certainly accounted for a few of the hard-handed mishaps at first slip.

Then there were Dhoni's selections. I've never been a believer in the captain having a vote on selection; a say, yes, but a vote, no. In this latest series Dhoni provided ample proof why. His selection of Stuart Binny as an allrounder was ludicrous. Then, as if his sole aim had been to prove that point, his treatment of the player was baffling. Binny was rarely used as a bowler despite batting at No. 8.

To pick Ravindra Jadeja as a front-line spinner is a serious miscasting. Then Dhoni proceeded to use Jadeja as a stop-gap trundler in Southampton in what looked like an attempt to prove he wasn't a front-line spin bowler.

If that wasn't confusing enough, his statement following the fourth Test capitulation, "It's never that the result is more important than the process", was bewildering.

I have never witnessed a series decided by a team achieving the correct process 46 times to the opposition's 43. Winning is important but two losses in a five-Test series aren't a disaster as long as they are accompanied by three victories.

One of India's biggest headaches is finding a replacement for Dhoni as Test captain, following the repeated batting failures of his logical successor Virat Kohli.

The BCCI deserves to share top billing with Dhoni when blame is being apportioned. Their casual acceptance of overseas defeats and obsession with finance has led Indian touring parties to become comfortable and compliant. This is not compatible with fielding a hard-nosed, competitive team.

If India continue to bat, bowl and field poorly and fail to compete at full throttle under Dhoni's lacklustre captaincy, then another capitulation is certain to follow against a highly competitive Australian outfit.

Former Australia captain Ian Chappell is now a cricket commentator for Channel 9, and a columnist

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  • on August 27, 2014, 7:53 GMT

    Ian is right and board is not doing well, the main thing is board is not ready to prepare lively piches which has pace and bounce. they r towards money making cricket, that is bcci thinking that people likes the batsman friendly pitches for hitting sixes and fours, they moulded the public in to cricket is a batsman's game. if they will run the board with this way no one in india like bowling.

  • eggyroe on August 26, 2014, 19:01 GMT

    @Nampally,If your point that one single factor for the momentum swing after the Lords win,was the Anderson -Jadeja spat then I'm afraid that this remark is total rubbish.In England for the last few weeks in we have been subjected in the press about the so called boorish manners of James Anderson.In my humble opinion standing up for yourself is not a problem at all, it is an adults game after all not a child's game. Dhoni and the B.C.C.I.appeared to stick up for their player and got it totally wrong,but nobody else seemed to be worried about the so called Indian perceived problem.As an Englishman I just think of what is in store for these poor Indians when they arrive on the shores of Australia and the good old friendly banter they will receive,after all if they think it was bad in England,just wait until they land in Australia.I also note in your sub-mission about the reference to Baseball,in England Baseball is a girls sport,the game is actually called Rounders.

  • jay57870 on August 26, 2014, 17:52 GMT

    Ian - Right, the Indian team played spineless cricket & went adrift after the first two Tests. But it's not all the captain's fault. We've seen dramatic disasters on recent overseas tours. Dhoni's adverse situation is as humiliating as Cook's after the 0-5 Ashes drubbing in Oz & Clarke's 0-4 collapse in India. Actually Cook & Clarke had it much worse: Cook & ECB faced a mutiny with Swann deserting & KP revolting; Clarke & CA encountered the "homework-gate" scandal, indiscipline & player suspensions! Coaches Flower & Arthur later quit/got axed! Yes, Captain Cool & his crew floundered, but did not sink. BCCI brought in Shastri to help right the ship. But is Dhoni a "serial offender"? That 'honour' belongs to Anderson with his incessant boorish behaviour. It's shameful to see ECB defend him: Moores calls it Anderson's 'hard' brand of cricket. Cook calls the charge a 'tactic' to sideline him. Whither honour? England & ICC disgraced themselves by not acting, Ian!!

  • on August 26, 2014, 17:46 GMT

    Spoilt stardom in Indian cricket, stars look more important than cricket...cricketers needs to be chosen by their ability in Tests and T20 not by their name and fame...not every player is suitable for Test match and vice versa....

  • Nampally on August 26, 2014, 16:05 GMT

    If I could point at one single factor for Momentum swinger after the Lords win, that is Anderson -Jadeja spat which totally pre-occupied Dhoni from the field activity to fighting this case. The whole Indian team management + Dhoni were totally involved in trying to WIN this case. When the verdict went against Jadeja, it was the start of the "Domino effect". My question to whole Indian team administrators is why were they so preoccupied with this issue rather than focus on the task ahead of winning the Test a Southampton? Not many Fans understand the back room tactics involved in this series changer. It is like a bench clearing brawl in the American league Baseball Game. It rallies the losing side & rattles the winning side.-was it planned or Not. It rattled India - dropped catches galore to get Cook back into form & a badly slumping England a new lease to rise like a "Pheonix from Ashes" . England played with great vigour & India became a "spineless batting"! Focus is critical to WIN,

  • Naresh28 on August 26, 2014, 14:27 GMT

    Yes this defeat was a disgrace. My view is that this Indian team knows their BOWLING is WEAK. This in turn affects batting to some extent and also affects the fielding. So a chain reaction was occurring. India has batted relatively well in SA and NZ on the their last essay. The Indian batsman are short in stature and hence outside that offside corridor they were playing away from their body. What was needed was the coach should have asked them to stand further towards their off-stump. England did this to counter Bhuvi.

  • gbqdgj on August 26, 2014, 9:48 GMT

    A question for the Indian fans on here. To my mind Dhoni is probably worth retaining his place as wicket keeper batsman as despite his shortcomings as captain he has been one of the few to show real fight when the collapses were happening around him. So my question is (actually in two parts really), are there any stand out captains in the Ranjit trophy who could replace one of the batsmen in the current line up (not necessarily better batsmen but who could perhaps average say 35 in test cricket)? The second part is whether there are any better wicketkeeper batsmen in the Ranjit trophy than MS Dhoni?

  • eggyroe on August 26, 2014, 6:56 GMT

    @Deuce03,No overseas cricketer should in my opinion not be allowed as per your statement access to county cricket and thus the best training for Tests available.English qualified players should and must have the access to County Cricket at all times.It is not County Crickets job to make overseas cricketers gain a competitive edge in Test Matches.In my opinion another example of overseas players taking the place of England qualified players in a sport is the demise of the England Football Team.

  • dovo on August 26, 2014, 5:23 GMT

    India has done very well in 50 over and 20 over cricket in recent years.You might say when it comes to big tournaments in these formats,India is the BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD! Indian cricketers have a very heavy workload,the toughest schedule in international cricket! When you add the IPL to that you see what the Indian cricketer faces. India should seriously consider having a specialist team of test cricketers preparing exclusively for test cricket but with benefits which are just as attractive as limited overs cricket. Especially when they play overseas,they should arrive in these countries early to get properly acclimatised and to have a good feel of the people and culture in that particular country. The present group of Indian cricketers have been run into the ground by the workload they face.People are saying all sorts of things about M.S.DHONI,can you imagine the pressure and workload he constantly faces! A specially prepared INDIAN TEST CRICKET TEAM CAN BEAT ANYONE,ANYWHERE,ANYTIME

  • spinkingKK on August 26, 2014, 0:15 GMT

    Well said Ian. I can read comments here about Indian super stars not performing. I don't know why people still think India got superstars. They are all long gone. Under Dhoni's captaincy, superstars were never nurtured. As soon as Dhoni sees someone shining, he will get the axe. So, now we got to a situation where we have no superstars and therefore no one to replace Dhoni as the captain. I didn't watch the series as closely as Ian Chappell to notice the wicket keeping flaws. If his keeping is not good, then there are several candidates available (like Samson, Naman Ojha, Saha etc) as replacement. But, still, captaincy is a worry. India can't reward Kohli with the captaincy for his repeated failures. I think India should pick a captain who has the best work ethics - someone who is dead serious, train hard and work hard regardless of the pure statistics. May be Murali Vijay? I hate watching his new dour batting. But, the guy seems to be a hard worker. Build a new test team under Vijay.

  • on August 27, 2014, 7:53 GMT

    Ian is right and board is not doing well, the main thing is board is not ready to prepare lively piches which has pace and bounce. they r towards money making cricket, that is bcci thinking that people likes the batsman friendly pitches for hitting sixes and fours, they moulded the public in to cricket is a batsman's game. if they will run the board with this way no one in india like bowling.

  • eggyroe on August 26, 2014, 19:01 GMT

    @Nampally,If your point that one single factor for the momentum swing after the Lords win,was the Anderson -Jadeja spat then I'm afraid that this remark is total rubbish.In England for the last few weeks in we have been subjected in the press about the so called boorish manners of James Anderson.In my humble opinion standing up for yourself is not a problem at all, it is an adults game after all not a child's game. Dhoni and the B.C.C.I.appeared to stick up for their player and got it totally wrong,but nobody else seemed to be worried about the so called Indian perceived problem.As an Englishman I just think of what is in store for these poor Indians when they arrive on the shores of Australia and the good old friendly banter they will receive,after all if they think it was bad in England,just wait until they land in Australia.I also note in your sub-mission about the reference to Baseball,in England Baseball is a girls sport,the game is actually called Rounders.

  • jay57870 on August 26, 2014, 17:52 GMT

    Ian - Right, the Indian team played spineless cricket & went adrift after the first two Tests. But it's not all the captain's fault. We've seen dramatic disasters on recent overseas tours. Dhoni's adverse situation is as humiliating as Cook's after the 0-5 Ashes drubbing in Oz & Clarke's 0-4 collapse in India. Actually Cook & Clarke had it much worse: Cook & ECB faced a mutiny with Swann deserting & KP revolting; Clarke & CA encountered the "homework-gate" scandal, indiscipline & player suspensions! Coaches Flower & Arthur later quit/got axed! Yes, Captain Cool & his crew floundered, but did not sink. BCCI brought in Shastri to help right the ship. But is Dhoni a "serial offender"? That 'honour' belongs to Anderson with his incessant boorish behaviour. It's shameful to see ECB defend him: Moores calls it Anderson's 'hard' brand of cricket. Cook calls the charge a 'tactic' to sideline him. Whither honour? England & ICC disgraced themselves by not acting, Ian!!

  • on August 26, 2014, 17:46 GMT

    Spoilt stardom in Indian cricket, stars look more important than cricket...cricketers needs to be chosen by their ability in Tests and T20 not by their name and fame...not every player is suitable for Test match and vice versa....

  • Nampally on August 26, 2014, 16:05 GMT

    If I could point at one single factor for Momentum swinger after the Lords win, that is Anderson -Jadeja spat which totally pre-occupied Dhoni from the field activity to fighting this case. The whole Indian team management + Dhoni were totally involved in trying to WIN this case. When the verdict went against Jadeja, it was the start of the "Domino effect". My question to whole Indian team administrators is why were they so preoccupied with this issue rather than focus on the task ahead of winning the Test a Southampton? Not many Fans understand the back room tactics involved in this series changer. It is like a bench clearing brawl in the American league Baseball Game. It rallies the losing side & rattles the winning side.-was it planned or Not. It rattled India - dropped catches galore to get Cook back into form & a badly slumping England a new lease to rise like a "Pheonix from Ashes" . England played with great vigour & India became a "spineless batting"! Focus is critical to WIN,

  • Naresh28 on August 26, 2014, 14:27 GMT

    Yes this defeat was a disgrace. My view is that this Indian team knows their BOWLING is WEAK. This in turn affects batting to some extent and also affects the fielding. So a chain reaction was occurring. India has batted relatively well in SA and NZ on the their last essay. The Indian batsman are short in stature and hence outside that offside corridor they were playing away from their body. What was needed was the coach should have asked them to stand further towards their off-stump. England did this to counter Bhuvi.

  • gbqdgj on August 26, 2014, 9:48 GMT

    A question for the Indian fans on here. To my mind Dhoni is probably worth retaining his place as wicket keeper batsman as despite his shortcomings as captain he has been one of the few to show real fight when the collapses were happening around him. So my question is (actually in two parts really), are there any stand out captains in the Ranjit trophy who could replace one of the batsmen in the current line up (not necessarily better batsmen but who could perhaps average say 35 in test cricket)? The second part is whether there are any better wicketkeeper batsmen in the Ranjit trophy than MS Dhoni?

  • eggyroe on August 26, 2014, 6:56 GMT

    @Deuce03,No overseas cricketer should in my opinion not be allowed as per your statement access to county cricket and thus the best training for Tests available.English qualified players should and must have the access to County Cricket at all times.It is not County Crickets job to make overseas cricketers gain a competitive edge in Test Matches.In my opinion another example of overseas players taking the place of England qualified players in a sport is the demise of the England Football Team.

  • dovo on August 26, 2014, 5:23 GMT

    India has done very well in 50 over and 20 over cricket in recent years.You might say when it comes to big tournaments in these formats,India is the BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD! Indian cricketers have a very heavy workload,the toughest schedule in international cricket! When you add the IPL to that you see what the Indian cricketer faces. India should seriously consider having a specialist team of test cricketers preparing exclusively for test cricket but with benefits which are just as attractive as limited overs cricket. Especially when they play overseas,they should arrive in these countries early to get properly acclimatised and to have a good feel of the people and culture in that particular country. The present group of Indian cricketers have been run into the ground by the workload they face.People are saying all sorts of things about M.S.DHONI,can you imagine the pressure and workload he constantly faces! A specially prepared INDIAN TEST CRICKET TEAM CAN BEAT ANYONE,ANYWHERE,ANYTIME

  • spinkingKK on August 26, 2014, 0:15 GMT

    Well said Ian. I can read comments here about Indian super stars not performing. I don't know why people still think India got superstars. They are all long gone. Under Dhoni's captaincy, superstars were never nurtured. As soon as Dhoni sees someone shining, he will get the axe. So, now we got to a situation where we have no superstars and therefore no one to replace Dhoni as the captain. I didn't watch the series as closely as Ian Chappell to notice the wicket keeping flaws. If his keeping is not good, then there are several candidates available (like Samson, Naman Ojha, Saha etc) as replacement. But, still, captaincy is a worry. India can't reward Kohli with the captaincy for his repeated failures. I think India should pick a captain who has the best work ethics - someone who is dead serious, train hard and work hard regardless of the pure statistics. May be Murali Vijay? I hate watching his new dour batting. But, the guy seems to be a hard worker. Build a new test team under Vijay.

  • dovo on August 25, 2014, 23:36 GMT

    M.S.DHONI is mr. cool,that works for him and allows him to perform at his best.However,he needs to find a way to inspire each player individually.As a test captain,he needs to be more demonstrative and emotionally passionate with his players,he cannot continue to assume that everyone plays with the same confidence level as him! Binny should not have been in the team.If India are playing 5 bowlers,they should play 3 seamers and 2 spinners. Clearly India needs to get a good fielding coach,someone local perhaps. When India has to play overseas,they should clearly understand the culture of their opponents on and off the field and be flexible enough in their own approach to be able to adapt. Clearly for several reasons,India mainly focuses on 50 over and 20 overcricket.They have been the most successful international team in recent times in these forms. There is no need for panic in test cricket. One strategy could be to groom and prepare a special team of test cricketers to win in tests

  • Deuce03 on August 25, 2014, 22:53 GMT

    @eggyroe: I think refusing Indian cricketers the opportunity to play county cricket is a somewhat narrow and parochial one. County cricket is probably the best place to learn the first-class game and thus the best training for Tests available. If India are to regain some degree of competitive edge in Tests they need their players to have FC experience, preferably in county, like SRT, Dravid et al did. And, like it or not, Test cricket needs a competitive India in order to survive.

  • crickketlover on August 25, 2014, 17:54 GMT

    Who was to blame for India's 4-0 loss in England in 2011? Again Dhoni? Looks like Dhoni has become a scapegoat for India!

  • eggyroe on August 25, 2014, 16:15 GMT

    @ Nutcutlet,your comment about spectators handing over hard earned money in advance to be entertained by highly paid cricketers is absolutely correct.Is it to much of a problem to demand and expect 90 overs to be bowled each day and that every team tries their hardest and when the going gets tough they do not fold like a pack of playing cards which happened more than once this season in the England & India Test Series.I have also read in Todays press that some Indian Cricketers wish to return next year after the IPL to play County Cricket.I hope the authorities in England squash this at the first opportunity,England must not become a finishing school for overseas players at the expense of young England qualified players.

  • kri_push on August 25, 2014, 13:18 GMT

    Well Written article, Can't bat, can't bowl and can't field, this 100% true against this Indian team, agreed that Anderson & Broad bowled superbly & batsmen could not handle the swing, any batsman in the world, cannot do anything if he gets out a delivery which is unplayable, there is luck factor as well, but the same cannot be said against Fielding & bowling which are in the hands of individuals, what is the excuse one can give,giving away 10 runs in a an over, dropping catches, even if the batsmen could score 600 runs, if the fielders cannot take catches & bowlers cannot take wickets, then how India can win matches? The fact us unless India produces fearsome fast bowlers, India cannot win matches abroad, One can replace coaches, but the the performance of players, it is the players who has to adjust to the conditions & play with pride, it is rightly said, the losing is not disgraceful, but, how one lost is matters,

    Playing for the country matters, does out super stars have pride

  • on August 25, 2014, 11:38 GMT

    @mrhamilton. Chris Rogers had loads of first class expereince and that too in England before he played tests there. Warner was the hero of one of the wins against India in 2011. So he was there for about 3 years already. Whoever has put this crap of Dhoni not being serious about test cricket. A good wicketkeeper is one who is good standing up to the stumps on turning tracks. Take a look at Dhoni's keeping during the 4-0 white wash of Australia in India. One bad series doesnt make him a bad keeper. Dhoni was also instrumental in India winning against the Aussies at home in 2008-09 comprehensively when Australia were a much stronger team with the likes of Ponting. He almost won a series against SA- it was drawn 1-1 in 2010. He won a series against New Zealand in 2009. He drew a test series1-1 against the Lankans who are strong at home. He has scored nearly the same no of runs as Ganguly and VVS Laxman in tests ( at the same no of tests) coming much lower down the order.

  • imtiazjaleel on August 25, 2014, 11:25 GMT

    Everybody is thinking that India won a test match in England. I would say rather England lost the match. If you look at the dismissals of Eng batsman in their second innings. They played some very loose shots one after the other. Their ego did their downfall not that Indian bowlers were unplayable.

  • irishhawks on August 25, 2014, 9:56 GMT

    Unfortunately Mr Ian, Whatever you have said about Indian Team, is like hitting nail on the head. And we are to blame for that. Indian Fans are so happy to see them win against minnows at home that they forgive this shame pretty quickly. And i don't think it would take long before Indian Cricket hits new low. Looking at attitude of present team and administration, it is highly likely that They will be defeated at home by the likes of Australia, England, South Africa and Pakistan.. We have Pathetic Captain who has so many excuses that it seems like he attended special classes to offer excuses. He is Ordinary batsman, Average Wicketkeeper and his tactical acumen is Zero..Surely If Board does decide to give it some other, at least he cant or wont fare as bad as Dhoni...

  • FTB11 on August 25, 2014, 9:53 GMT

    This article is balanced and well argued and the conclusions are harsh but correct. There is no way from getting away from this. Sometimes bitter medicine sare required to get rid of the maladies.

  • mrhamilton on August 25, 2014, 8:28 GMT

    @prabakharmootokrishmam are you serious? Warner and Rogers were experienced pros? They were test rookies and debutants! Warner didn't even play most the England series.there is absolutely no comparison between Australia and Clarke and dhoni and India at test level.Clarke is a world class test performer,a trier,and a tough determined captain who motivates.at test level dhoni has a ultra laidback,don't really care sloppy attitude and it shows In his performance behind stumps and captaincy.the tendulkar retirement has ended the era of India as a test cricket principal.I think rather than give up like against England they should give up test cricket and stick to t20

  • on August 25, 2014, 7:06 GMT

    Dhoni has been the tidiest of keepers and mainly relied on good eye/hand coordination. Now he looks just plain lazy. His selection policy whilst at times looked strange but I don't know who else he could have picked that would have made a significant difference. Considering his obvious technical flaws as a batsman away from home, he tried hard with bat. But the side lacked leadership and suffered from many as many Indian sides have before from playing on benign home pitches.

  • Naresh28 on August 25, 2014, 7:06 GMT

    It's time Indian Cricketers - READ ARTICLES of this nature. It's no use remaining in the dark and not taking heed of some the ex-cricketers giving hints on what needs to be done. An example I read this morning was one from Ajit Wadekar - who said that Indian cricketers should have changed their stance by taking a more offside stance. England did this to counter Bhuvi.

  • Biggus on August 25, 2014, 6:50 GMT

    India are in the same position with Dhoni that England are with Cook, both are plodding 'wait and see' captains but there are no credible alternatives in either case. Cook hasn't suddenly become a great captain overnight. His bowlers fired and plan A worked by and large. India dropped too many catches to give any plan a chance. I actually think the basic ingredients are there in the Indian side to be far more competitive than they are but Dhoni doesn't help. He seems to lack any real dynamism. When he should be revving his players up and cracking heads together in an effort to imbue the side with purpose and drive we get this, "Meh, wait and see" attitude. He should be like a Sergeant working his way along the line urging his men to pour fire on the enemy, galvanising them with his force of will to do more than they ever thought they could but no, the best Dhoni can do is say, "Don't be jealous of IPL", one of the silliest things I've ever heard a captain say.

  • subratachakrabarty on August 25, 2014, 6:43 GMT

    And we need to change the coaching staff for sure. We need people who can motivate. Like Gerry Kristen. His methods were wonderful and its not that under his belt, India did not loose any tests. But they bounced back strongly. Its not about Indian or foreign coaches. Its about the mentality to do your job to perfection. I have my own reasons to believe that methods adopted by Duncan Fletcher is not adequate and for sure, not producing results. We need somebody like Dravid as head coach; Akram to be the bowling coach (he can inspire you as well) and Robin Singh can do the job of fielding coach, if Rhodes isn't available. We really need to re-built this team. One suggestion that might work wonder is to have different test and ODI team. it worked wonderfully for Aussies. I guess, serious thoughts can be put on the proposal.

  • subratachakrabarty on August 25, 2014, 6:36 GMT

    I do understand that it is very difficult to understand certain on-field calls by MSD. I did not understand what Jadeja was doing in the test team. I was equally surprised with selection of Binny. However, I am firm believer of the fact that cricket is no one man show. We need to accept that Indian went on to hibernation mode after Lords. They thought that we achieved what we came for. Guess, MSD relaxed way too much. And if that's not enough, our batsmen like VK, CJ, SK, etc were horrible. MJ got some runs this time; however I am yet to be impressed with this lad. Rahane was okay as compared to others and MSD showed his character as batsman when everyone else failed. But its not a time to think what happened in the past. Let's gear up and face the future. At least the one positive thing is I Sharma got his rhythm back after giving all required runs in Aussie ODI series. I hope Indians will bounce back.. Strongly..

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on August 25, 2014, 6:22 GMT

    A slightly if off the cuff spin on things here. I think India exceeded expectations ! mean to say that they at least W a game ,when going by what happened previously and their recent o/s results a w/wash was expected. But 1 has to say though that W @ Lords was the most fluked you 'd ever see.I mean Ishant's 130 k long hops on a good day for Eng batsmen would've ended a few rows in the stands on either side of short square boundaries ,and game would've been onto a quick finish. The results that followed vindicates this view.

  • on August 25, 2014, 5:23 GMT

    Did Australia change Michael Clarke after their 3-0 and 4-0 drubbings in England and India respectively? They changed the coach and brought some change in personnel - Mitchel Johnson, Brad Haddin, etc, which resulted in their revival. They were drubbed 3-0 and 4-0 despite having the world's best batsman in Michael Clarke, experienced pros in Warner, Chris Rogers, etc. This Indian line up - the top 5 have totally put together an experience of around 50 tests. Give them some time and throw in the mix a few wicket taking bowlers- they will be world beaters.

  • on August 25, 2014, 5:18 GMT

    if the Board pays them more than what they get in IPL, then they will blow out the English even in Test matches. If a team can win at Lord's with such domination then it becomes hard to believe a 3-1 loss.

  • ABHIUPPU on August 25, 2014, 5:16 GMT

    @Ashish Shashank : One cannot be blind to facts no matter how madly they like their team. Australia, by no means, got a drubbing during Ashes in 2013. You might have forgotten the fight Ashton Agar & Phil Hughes put up in first test. Margin of defeat was less than 15 runs. Aussies were set to take the 3rd test if the rain Gods decided not to turn up on the last day. Fourth test saw fight again from Aussies before Broad took it away. Only in 2nd test can you say Aussies got drubbed. And regarding your "home bully" stuff, beating SA in SA was no home bully stuff mate. Get your facts and numbers right, Aussies thrashed the Poms 5-0 and not 4-0 in return Ashes.

  • redneck on August 25, 2014, 4:32 GMT

    i honestly think india need an indian coach, raul dravid comes to mind straight away for the job. india are requied to rebuild their test team, and that requires acknowledging some hard truths and hearing some less than plesant insights about all indian cricketers short comings!!! as the greg chappell coaching stint showed us when these insights are delivered in say the upfront and straight to the point 'aussie' way or the south african all work and no fun way they tend to do the opposite of what they are trying to achieve in the indian team set up. therefore the hard truths need to delieverd by an indian who understands the minds and psyche of top notch indian cricketers, so the insights are taken on board and weaknesses worked on rather than the players taking offence and not doing diddly squat about it. dravid comes to mind for this job as his test record is fantastic and he has a gift with words evident by some of his speaches he given about cricket to the mcc and bradman oriantati

  • wellrounded87 on August 25, 2014, 3:56 GMT

    @Ashish Shashank

    A few points to correct you on. Firstly the Ashes series in England was hardly a drubbing. The 3-0 scoreline is not reflective of just how close that series was. The 2nd test was the only test that England won convincingly and Australia were in a position to respond with an equally decisive win in the third before rain intervened. The first test was 14 runs and the fourth test was about 70 runs only thanks to an outstanding performance by Broad. That series was close and had Australia got the rub of the green the scoreline would have been very different.

    Next point, Australia won 5-0 in the follow up series not 4-0.

    Lastly, they've become a very competitive team by defeating the number 1 ranked South Africa IN South Africa. Not to mention the inclusion and scintilating form of Mitchell Johnson who didn't play the 2013 ashes series.

    So yes Australia is a very competitive team. Their last visit to India was really the only bad loss they've suffered in the last 3 yrs

  • _-Will-_ on August 25, 2014, 2:57 GMT

    Chappell is absolutely correct. Each argument is supported by overwhelming physical evidence, and the same evidence has been present but largely ignored since at least 2011. Little wonder there has been no change.

    @Nutcutlet on (August 24, 2014, 6:06 GMT) raised a highly significant issue regarding the implicit contract of honour that exists between the paying public & supporters of teams, and the teams that are paid to provide a contest for public audience. Although this concept is as old as competitive sport itself, it is clearly lost on Dhoni, his team and their employers. It is an affront to the public and to the sport itself.

    What I find equally disconcerting is that some Indian fans do not feel they have been duped. While a great many are justifiably inconsolable, many still continue to support Dhoni et al. in spite of the abject apathy shown on and off field. This is more than tacit consent, it is explicit approval of a disgusting and habitual disregard for fans and the game.

  • Cricketlover_nepal on August 25, 2014, 2:19 GMT

    Dhoni gave cook to extent his test captaincy. Indian batsmen are worldclass at asia but outside asia their level is just like a county team. apart from anderson other english bowler r average. Asian can also play well in england . Recently we saw how srilanka showed the fighting spirit. Every pak fast bowler can outplay english bowler..

  • Alexk400 on August 24, 2014, 21:52 GMT

    For me Dhoni is not at fault here. Captain is as good as your team. If you give dhoni 150kmph fast bowler , no team can win against Dhoni team. One thing you should admire dhoni is he do not waste chance if he is in better position in TEST. Even west indies winnable test , india squandered their chance because fletcher than dhoni. Dhoni did eliminate all people who are threat to his captaincy. :)

  • Sir_Francis on August 24, 2014, 21:48 GMT

    Lack of the DRS cost them the 3rd Test. Both Bell & Buttler were out for 0 and scored aroung 250 (as well as partnership runs).

  • criclover112 on August 24, 2014, 20:52 GMT

    @ Ashish Shashank Australia won away in South Africa against South Africa as well. South Africa was the number one team at that time (they regained it again I believe). And yes they lost to England InEngland in 2013, but the series was closer than the result suggest (rain saved England) and Australia fought all the way. People also need to remember that India single handedly brought back several English players into form from a horrendous slump. Australia (and Srilanka a little) had mentally scarred most English players and a miracle was needed to heal them. That miracle was India.

  • TRAM on August 24, 2014, 20:51 GMT

    Some are Dhoni's favorites. He wont drop them. Example Jadeja. Some are forced in by selectors. Example SBinny, but Dhoni does not want to give them chance. Very few perform like Bhuvaneshwar, Vijay, Rahane, Ashwin. Even those few fail often.

    To me the worst of all is the batsmen's failure to bat against a beginner spinner of England. There is really nothing and nothing that can explain that. How many sixers these players have hit in IPL? What happened to their courage? Or is it just the money that can make them play? If that is the case then I dont mind dropping 13 of the 17 players and bringing in fresh young players.

  • flowersintherain on August 24, 2014, 20:49 GMT

    @MichaelBeen - Actually the first test in the 2013 Ashes series was very close, with England winning by 14 runs. That's the game where Broad did not walk after being caught at slip in the 2nd innings and went on to add another 50+ runs, arguably affecting the final result. I agree that Australia were hopeless in the 2nd test, but they had the better of 2 of the next 3, and were very competitive in the 4th test, where only some inspired bowling by Broad on the last day got England a win in a game where they had been outplayed till then.

    My point though is that England's superiority was only marginal in that series, even though a 3-0 result may indicate otherwise.

  • on August 24, 2014, 20:09 GMT

    Last time, the batting greats of India failed in England.

    This time India chose flat-track bullies, not great batsmen. They never had a chance once Cook and Bell started scoring, them Anderson/Broad taking wickets. To see so many wickets falloing to Moeen Ali was amazing (and I'm a massive Worcs fan.)

    The lack of DRS cost both sides wickets, yet still India won't accept it. Nine out of ten Test playing countries do. Had to feel sorry for Gary Ballance getting two stinkers in the same match.

    India profess to run world cricket, but until they can compete away from home few fans will listen. If they can't beat a down and nearly out England team, then who can they beat?

    Has there been a great Indian TEST captain sunce Ganguly? Some-one who can get his team to compete home and away?

  • wolf777 on August 24, 2014, 20:07 GMT

    Agree with Ian Chappelle on Dhoni's Captaincy. His players selection was bizarre. At Southampton he mysteriously picked Pankaj Singh over younger and faster Varun Arron and added Rohit Sharma into the mix as the sixth batsman at the time when his fast bowlers were breaking down under the workload. Then came the fastest pitch in England at Old Trafford. Dhoni dropped Rohit Sharma for the second spinner! He won the toss was forced to chose bat first on a fast bowling friendly condition as the additional spinner meant he hoped to bother England on the fifth day. Allrounder Binny made a comeback at the Oval when conditions were not very helpful for his style of bowling.

  • on August 24, 2014, 19:45 GMT

    I agree with Ian.Dhoni is not a good test cricketer.Often he scores runs on flat tracks.He has lot of technical issues which makes him not suitable to play test cricket.He has not only issues with swing and seam but also with quality spin in tests.Its time for DHoni to give up tests and concentrate only on odis which in he is a master.Also I don't understand everyone supporting Dhoni's test batting in England when compared to Kohli who failed only in test series whereas Dhoni has failed continuosuly in many test series in his batting

  • himsez on August 24, 2014, 19:41 GMT

    I wonder what process MSD is talking about? I wonder how many test matches we need to lose for that process. I dont care if the whole world says if not Dhoni then who? The time has come to say Anybody but dhoni. I mean if we are losing 0-8 and 1-3 with dhoni at help. Anyone else at the helm will not result in 0-9 and 1-4. What I mean is that dhoni is losing all the matcheds anyway its not that another captain who loses 1 match will count as 2 losses. Also why people are tagging Pujara with Kohli is baffling. Yes both failed but Pujara was ok in 2 of the 5 tests while kohli was a complete failure.

  • on August 24, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    But the side Martin Johnson mocked actually beat Australia in Australia in all three competitions.

  • on August 24, 2014, 19:07 GMT

    India also suffered by their non acceptance of DRS.

    Will India have the good sense to finally agree to DRS.

  • MichaelBeen on August 24, 2014, 19:06 GMT

    @flowersintherain

    Australia in 2013 were pretty much the opposite of India - hopeless in the first 2 tests, and then competitive in the final 3.

  • 22many on August 24, 2014, 18:31 GMT

    Did the same in NZ last summer. Wouldn't bother getting out of bed to watch this present team and for the Indians living around the world just waiting to see their heroes visit, it must be a huge disappointment.

  • StevieS on August 24, 2014, 18:30 GMT

    Only interest is money and there is no money in test matches, only people that take pride in their performance and want to test themselves at the pinnacle of the game take it serious.

  • Retour on August 24, 2014, 18:29 GMT

    Congratulations Dhoni! You made Cook's captaincy look good. What an achievement.

    Mr. Chappell hit the nail on the head. Earlier, Dhoni capitalized on the performances of the legends. Sehwag would demoralize the opposition in one session, while Dravid and Tendulkar would build on the opportunities. Laxman would play one of his gems to pull out a win. Zak would provide breakthroughs with both the new and the old ball. Now he has no such players in the 11. Dhoni's captaincy including his selection needed to be spot on.

  • flowersintherain on August 24, 2014, 17:58 GMT

    After the Lords test, India folded without a fight in the last 3 tests. They played the way England did in Australia when they seemed to give up on the series after the first test. Ian Chappell is right. Dhoni needs to go. He may have been the only batsman who fought, but his captaincy was inept and uninterested, while his wicket keeping is well past its "sell-by" date. (Cook needs to go too, but this pathetic Indian display has bought him a reprieve.)

    And for those who have been making comparisons, Australia's 3-0 defeat in England was a somewhat misleading scoreline. Most of the tests were very even and Australia were unlucky to have rain intervene when they had the advantage.

  • glen1 on August 24, 2014, 17:35 GMT

    Much has been said and lamented here that India did not show much fight, and that test cricket needs India to do well; sorry, the bird has flown. India will never be a good test playing Nation, with the new talent that is emerging from the heartlands. To do that would mean finding hard-working clones of Vishwanath and (maybe) Gavaskar for facing fast bowling, Dravid, Laxman and Vengsarkar in the middle order, Kapil Dev for all rounder, Srinath for fast bowling, Prasanna for guily spin, Chandrashekhar for fast spin, and the mercurial Kirmani for wicketkeeping; ain't going to happen. The demographics and the pace of the land and its struggles have changed. What will emerge is a fast-paced cricket; test cricket should go on without a quality India.

  • on August 24, 2014, 17:09 GMT

    Ian chappell does not believe in pulling his punches and he has put it across as bluntly as he always does which makes for inetersting reading.It is there for everybody to see that Dhonis captaincy has not been very inspiring but he strides the indian cricketing world like a colossus that it will be a difficult decision to replace him.

  • m_ilind on August 24, 2014, 17:06 GMT

    I agree with Ian's comments on Dhoni. It seems like he has no sense of pride left. He is accepting the loss at Old Trafford, as "a loss is a loss, whether it's in 3 days or 5 days" or something like " we get two extra days off" is unacceptable in public, even if it was meant to be lighthearted. His defensive mindset on day 1 of Southampton was obvious, but when asked before the game he had said that he was going for a win & not sit on a 1-0 lead...statements he makes are contradicting his actions on the field. He should be sacked as captain... and if that does happen, he won't be in the team much longer either, as his wk has gone down, and his batting has too many flaws to be in the team as a batsman alone.

  • on August 24, 2014, 16:56 GMT

    Hold on Ian, before you gloat! How did Aussies become a "highly competitive outfit" after a 3-0 drubbing from the England back in 2013? It was just a summer ago!! Aussies revenged it with a 4-0 drubbing of England in 2014 on their home pitches. Is that good enough to arrive at "everyone is a home bully "?

  • analyseabhishek on August 24, 2014, 16:50 GMT

    Staying competitive will be the biggest challenege for India in Australia- otherwise the result will be another humiliation. It is difficult to see how Indian batsmen can cope with Johnson, Harris and Pattinson- even if these are injured, then Siddle, Hilfenhaus and Starc! Indian bowlers, after a couple of ecent performances, will start cutting forlorn figures and conceding 500+ scores with regularity!

  • IAS2009 on August 24, 2014, 16:27 GMT

    I think the article has a point, winning world Cup in India on flat pitches with the philosophy of playing with 10 batsmen (including bowling all rounders) is not the hallmark of Dhoni captaincy, India should have won lot more test matches when they had Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman and Sehwag in their test team, mainly Dhoni was captain at that time, he is OK ODI captain at home only, so it is not Dhoni bashing in my opinion, Cook has been criticised heavily also when loosing matches, the real point is making same mistakes over and over for last few years, it is hard to win on road but to roll over with out fight is bad, Dhoni captaincy and keeping was poor, it does not help slip catching (all the new slip fielders), Indian media is also guilty of making every player star before they even prove themselves, this add too much pressure on them, Kohli and Pujara good examples. Dhoni should be replaced as captain for tests, there is no point loosing with loosing captain, new guy will learn.

  • on August 24, 2014, 16:17 GMT

    @dunger.bob - Well said. I am an Indian and I unfortunately observe too many "misplaced and mis-understood" India Cricket fans equate Test Cricket with IPL and even ODIs. They unreasonably get emotional about Dhoni. Yes, he won 2011 WC being Indian captain but what is to be remembered is he had best batsman of tournament (Sachin), best alrounder (Yuvi) and highest wicket taker in Zaheer.Having such performers,it does not matter who the captain is.Plus a player who is only good for hit,miss and giggle form of Cricket is unfortunately captaining India at the moment and causing spineless test performances.

  • on August 24, 2014, 15:55 GMT

    I think India can do better than dhoni. from the series in the caribbean where Darren Sammy dropping Rahul Dravid in the slips at Sabina Park ensured india got a 1-nil lead which they sat on instead of tried to extend i had my doubts about his leadership. the white washes in england & australia & surely the loss to England at home should have been the final nail in the coffin . losing to New Zealand should have been the burial But it seems Dhoni has more lives than a cat lol hopefully West indies will push India hard enough for the axe to finally fall cause India under Dhoni in Australia for 4 tests will most likely be a horror show not a competitive test series.

  • cloudmess on August 24, 2014, 15:37 GMT

    India lost the game at Southampton even before it had started with their frustratingly negative mindset. Unused to a 1-0 lead abroad, they seemed to go out with the intention of drawing the final 3 games, a tactic which might just have worked on the slow, dead Indian pitches of the 1970s and 80s. Such a mindset had a disastrous effect, and I think Duncan Fletcher - who was a notoriously cautious coach with England - has to take some of the blame too. I really think it is time for him to step down. In all, I was hugely disappointed with India - if they play like this in Australia they'll be lucky to only lose 0-4.

  • NairUSA on August 24, 2014, 15:31 GMT

    Third party comments like these can seem to be harsh. However, if Team India does not take any of such observations into account, they will go down the obvious path - becoming a mediocre team trashed around by other quality teams. All the players are of competitive nature, but the spirit seemed to be sapped out of them. Can anyone offer a reason? Probably a multimillion dollar question!

  • salil247 on August 24, 2014, 15:27 GMT

    Ah yes! More Dhoni bashing! But Cricinfo is right in keeping all these "experts'" views in the "OPINION" section, as opposed to the "Facts" section (Stats), because FACTS would clearly reveal the real reason for India's pathetic performance- Making T20 scores in test matches! By the way, when Dhoni feels it's time, he'll go out on his own terms, not because of the "expert" OPINIONS!

  • haqster499 on August 24, 2014, 15:25 GMT

    India just has one problem in test cricket abroad -- its called IPL.

    Have a real test team of players who can stay at the wicket and who can take wickets (as opposed to containment)

  • Nampally on August 24, 2014, 15:21 GMT

    Mr. Chappell, A fine down to earth factual summary which is only eclipsed by Ravi Shastri's comments of "Spineless" batting! India showed it had lot of talent & ability to win by their performance in the first 2 Tests. After winning the Lords Test convincingly, I had commented in Cricinfo columns that Dhoni should go for the stranglehold & finish off the slumping England side. To the shock of all conventional Fans, Dhoni decided to play defensively. He had 2 star bowlers in Aaron & Ashwin to substitute for Ishant's injury. He still left them gasping for a Chance still on Bench. His move of getting Binny & Gambhir were 2 of the worst blunders & "No-Brainers" by any Test Captain. On a fast bowlers pitch India needed Aaron's pace badly. Ashwin is good economical off spinner who also takes wkts. as distinct from Jadeja. To cap it all, the Jadeja-Anderson controversy distracted Dhoni & India from playing Fields. It was a terribly clever "Killer Move" by England - A great Momentum Changer!

  • on August 24, 2014, 15:19 GMT

    very nice article...there's no harm in giving the test captaincy to kohli....he failed with the bat in this series but he's still the best bet to lead...dhoni should be in the test team only as a batsman...kohli can be test caotain and there should be a specialist keeper...this extremely long rope for dhoni has gone on for simply too long...everyone knows why he's been given this long rope and he behaves as if he doesn't give a damn after every humiliating loss...actually humiliating for everyone else but not for him

  • ihateindiancricket on August 24, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    How many defeats are yet to be yielded. Earlier we said that it was the Indian wickets and conditions are responsible for defeats out side sub continent. Now thank to IPL Indian players lost guts to stay on wickets. Indian batsmen failed to cross 200 marks in four innings and 100 in one occasion. 178 3rd Test 2nd Innings, 152 & 161 4th Test 1st 2nd Inn, 5th Test 148 & 94. On one occasion we surrendered to Moin Ali.How can we expect good performance in one day series where as our technique is same bowler are Anderson Broad ? Miracle ? Can miracle be expected ?

  • kc69 on August 24, 2014, 15:10 GMT

    It is funny how many people point out on MSD and his captainy rather than the efforts of BCCI who create absolute flat tracks everywhere in India, Just imagine if Dale Steyn was born in India he would have never even selected for national side and moreover he is not a batsman.As far as the attitude of BCCI remains same even the best captaincy and support staff cannot win them a single test overseas.

  • Leggie on August 24, 2014, 15:09 GMT

    Spot on Ian on his comments. Feel sorry for MSD that his strategies failed, but then it was obvious to commentators and hard core Test cricket lovers that his strategies would fail. In one of Shastri's interviews he mentioned that on such helpful conditions had Anderson and Broad bowled to the England batsman, they would not have crossed 200. I would elaborate this fact further by saying that with some more imaginative and aggressive captaincy, England would not have run away with the games the way they did. There is a only one aspect of Ian's article I disagree or dislike, and that is with respect to Ian not mentioning about Fletcher's contribution / role in the team. If Dhoni's strategies were wrong, at least 25% of the blame should go to the coach. And if one looks back, Dhoni's record has been poor ever since Fletcher took over!!! This is no coincidence. For Indian cricket's sake, the Fletcher - Dhoni combination must go.

  • gauravwadhwani on August 24, 2014, 15:07 GMT

    What disturbs me most is that Dhoni is undoing all the good work done by successive generations of Indian cricketers such as Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman and Zaheer Khan. These were the warriors who travelled to Australia, South Africa and England and always competed. If they went down, they generally went down fighting. But Dhoni's flagrant disregard - even disinterest - in test cricket has been indulged far too long by the Indian cricket board. We need a captain who takes test cricket seriously and who will drive this Indian side forward, not backward - who can capitalise on the foundations built by Ganguly et al, who helped shake off our tag as pussycats abroad.Unfortunately, on the evidence of this test series, there are no obvious candidates. We have lost a generation of talented players in a few years, it is definitely a transitional period in Indian cricket. Maybe its wise to bring back one or two experienced heads who have won overseas - Harbhajan Singh?Sehwag? Persist with Gambhir?

  • on August 24, 2014, 14:53 GMT

    MSD team selection is not at all wrong. Captaincy also not bad...Keeping is not up to the mark. Can do one thing, let him play as a captain & find a good keeper. That is the only thing can be done again MSD. Otherwise India's top order batsmen failed consistantly in all the matches. Bhuvaneswar kumar tired after two tests. Paceman Ishant injury, Pankaj's unluck, Ashwin's not up to the mark bowling in last two test, Jadeja's repeated failures in his last two tests is the main reason for series loss. Dhoni helped us to win Lord's test. Otherwise that match would have taken by england and the result now would be 4-0. This is my opinion, 66% oppose with Ian Chappel.

  • RishiGupte on August 24, 2014, 14:41 GMT

    Excellent article once again Mr. Chappell. Dhoni's captaincy is a major factor plus the BCCI's focus on financially taking over world cricket (without producing a top team) is hurting India's Test cricket irreversibly, I fear!

  • on August 24, 2014, 14:39 GMT

    Others have commented but let me chime in too. I totally agree with Ian's assessment. I am afraid that BCCI and my fellow Indian fans will forget about this defeat in a hurry. Our batsman will score 50 runs in 18 balls in IPL and we will all be very happy and say we have best batsman. My appeal to fellow Indian fans is to remember these defeats and stay quite when fans of other country tell us that our current batsman are flat track bullies. Only counter it when they start to atleast be competitive in foreign conditions and that too in tests. ODI and T20 successes can be enjoyed but remember they are not a true test of ability. Let's remember this defeat and make it count.

  • jaguar7777 on August 24, 2014, 14:33 GMT

    dhoni is not test material by any stretch or imagination especially in overseas conditions.his mediocre leadership and stubborn selection makes indian cricket team easy meat for average teams.not agreeing to the universally accepted drs makes india's plight pathetic.by saying dhoni has no replacement is like axing our own feet. try any tom, dick or harry if india are to do well in test cricket overseas.to compound our problems dhoni's keeping was mediocre to average at best and positioning of jadeja in slips was baffling.dhoni has the backing of the important people who matter in the bcci and the change is unlikely.if dhoni has india's interest at heart should not only give up test leadership but should also retire from test cricket.there are a couple of young talented wicketkeeper batsmen waiting in the wings, hoping for a chance to express themselves.dhoni should not trample their careers at india's expence and should stick to the one bay format where he excels as a leader. jkmehra

  • IndCricFan2013 on August 24, 2014, 14:22 GMT

    Agreed, MSD Selection of XI is questionable. But MSD is not to blame for that. The selection committee is to blame. According to Chapel, Binny should not be in England to play test, then,it is selection committee fault. Once they are in 15, Captain should be able to play any one, especially when he is selected as a all-rounder,then Dhoni can pick him. It just exposes that India does not have a good all-rounder. Ideally I would leave out Binny from test 15. Also not selecting Ashwin, Ashwin has to blame himself, since he did not do well in the past to gain captains confidence. These one or two selections would not have made a difference. It is a complete batting failure. Blaming Dhoni and Fletcher is not the right thing. Rather l would ask Kohli to play in county cricket by skipping IPL, if he is keen on leading India in test cricket.

  • on August 24, 2014, 14:12 GMT

    I cannot agree more with Ian in this article, there is surely a debacle waiting in Australia come this year end, and worse in the World cup following soon after. Honestly, I dont know any one in the team feels the hurt as many of us posting the comments :) . Thats the sad part. Losing is fine, part of the game, the manner of losses are cringeworthy.

  • natasrik on August 24, 2014, 13:52 GMT

    What a irony between brothers, one say Dhoni should go and another say Dhoni is the best person to lead. I am not sure what Ian has found out, Indias 2 overseas win recently has come with special contribution from Jadeja, Indias lords win credit should go to Dhonii on insisting Ishant to bowl the shot stuff when at one stage England were cruising along the target. Yes Dhoni probably has got to a stage that his Wkeeping skills(reflexes) have come down, maybe he can give away that just like Sangakara and still be in the team as captain, batsman and maybe who knows can bowl few overs also. If u are 66 for 6, 4 to 5 times in the last 3 test, no captain can save the ship. The the last Eng-Australia series, Indian team had power performers but still managed to loose but in the last 3 overseas tour SA, NZ and England, this young tean managed few draws and a single win in England. With time definitely the indian batting will definitely improve.Bowling will be a ?.

  • on August 24, 2014, 13:48 GMT

    Its on the top of everyone's tongue but Ian said it first, its a disgrace. India did not even have the skill to compete. Lets not compare with 4-0 drubbing of Australia as the current Australian side will win 4-0 even in India

  • lokendra.kumar@gmail.com on August 24, 2014, 13:33 GMT

    Spot on Mr. Chappell, dhoni's t20 n odi style defensive captaincy has hurt india repeatedly at test cricket. He selected t20 players like jadeja binny etc instead of specialists. The bigger problem is that entire indian cricket has become totally money minded n commercial.

  • ladycricfan on August 24, 2014, 13:31 GMT

    Contenders for test captaincy:

    Ashwin: thinking cricketer. Good allrounder.

    Pujara: future pillar of Indian batting. Has good temperament. Has captained india A team successfully.

    Rahane: Quiet achiever. Has cemented his place in the team with good performances in SA. NZ and England. Captaincy credentials unknown. But you never know until you try.

    Kohli can captain ODIs and T20Is.

  • Nampally on August 24, 2014, 13:28 GMT

    I agree that Dhoni's defensive tactics in Southampton caused the momentum to swing from India to England. He did this before in India in 2012 vs. England. Dhoni's overseas record in Test format is atrocious with 100% losses in 5 Test series. It is best in the interests of India if Dhoni retires from Test Cricket. His Captaincy & WK is poor at best. He has no Leadership qualities. The best guy to succeed Dhoni as a Captain, in my opinion is Rohit Sharma. But he cannot even hold his spot in the XI! Rohit has good knowledge of Cricket +effective communicating abilities with his players. Alternate candidates are M.Tiwary & C.Pujara. Kohli is more suited to lead India in shorter format. He is hot tempered & may cause problems in longer format. Jadeja plays in XI because of Dhoni. India needs wkt. taking spinners not defensive ones. A RH leg spinner like Karn Sharma, Mishra or LH Ojha are better choice of a spinner to go in tandem with Ashwin in Tests. Saha, N.Ojha or Samson are good WK's.

  • on August 24, 2014, 13:18 GMT

    When you have in your mind that I need to sacrifice for the country like a soldier in the border you wouldn't have played like this. They are playing like this for last 20+ years because they knew lets perform at home on flat pitches, flop overseas, perform at home again. they knew the mantra. Now a days, they have IPL as back for earning they have other skills like modeling. Why they bother for country. Once BCCI identifies that all sloppy performers should be given next chance only for overseas then Indian can compete with world because these players automatically perform for their earning(not for country)

  • here2rock on August 24, 2014, 13:09 GMT

    Ian Chappell has summed it up once again "MS Dhoni is a serial offender in those Indian debacles. In all three cases - the first two full series and the last three Tests of the recent capitulation - his captaincy failed to inspire the team". Then "The BCCI deserves to share top billing with Dhoni when blame is being apportioned. Their casual acceptance of overseas defeats and obsession with finance has led Indian touring parties to become comfortable and compliant. This is not compatible with fielding a hard-nosed, competitive team".

    I could not agree more, there is more than enough talent in this side but the main issue is that the captain does not believe in the crew, there is a very little hope for the ship if the captain does not believe in the team.

    As an Indian fan I am really sick and tired of hearing that "It's never that the result is more important than the processes", I don't care about the processes I want the results, Team India get angry and perform.

  • dunger.bob on August 24, 2014, 12:17 GMT

    @ DEArdeshir: "Chappell has conveniently forgotten the 0:4 drubbing Australia took in India just last year". You're conveniently missing his point. Sure Aust. lost in India, but we did something about it. We cared enough to sack our coach and make a few other changes.

    I like Dhoni, he's a real trooper, but if his keeping and captaincy are really as bad as most people are saying, there's nothing to be gained by hanging on to him. For some reason a poor keeper seems to bring the rest of the fielding down as well as dishearten the bowlers. If he also happens to be the captain, well, that's an added layer of malaise to contend with. .. He's not getting any younger either and his wicket keeping is unlikely to improve. It might be time India.

  • on August 24, 2014, 12:15 GMT

    Well assessed Ian Chappel.Over the last few years this team has achieved remarkable success in the shorter versions of the game.Be it attitude or focus, administrators and players have reaped the maximum of fame and finances out of limited overs.There is nothing wrong in it.But the planning part of the whole scheme of things appears to have gone haywire.Because when it comes to the more demanding Test Cricket, the one day hunters,quite naturally turn a fatigued lot on account of too much hunting, have few weapons left in their armoury and eventually are destined to be hunted themselves.Five days of gruelling competitiveness is not a hit and a miss affair.A win is always a hard fought one and hence the feeling of pride emanating from it is ever lasting.How can a team expect such dizzy heights until the skills on display are made to be decisive by unadulterated patriotic fervour.Hopefully the upcoming Aussie tour substantiates my point in respect of Team India.

  • LillianThomson on August 24, 2014, 12:07 GMT

    Imtiazjaleel commented on Australia's 4-0 defeat in India.

    I am a Kiwi living in Australia, and I should point out that that defeat was significantly affected by Micky Arthur's tenure as coach, during which Watson was marginalised and Johnson was practically excluded.

    England showed a few months earlier that any decent team which has played in the UAE v Pakistan can learn enough to beat India in India.

    If Australia had had such experience before touring India they would have done the same. Nathan Lyon is actually a better Test spinner than any current Indian and the batting was compromised by the weird selection of players like Henriques and Maxwell who have no place on a Test pitch.

    We actually all need a strong India. Unfortunately they are currently just like Japan and Mexico are in football: an economic superpower in the sport but lightweights on the pitch in the only form of the game which matters.

  • on August 24, 2014, 11:52 GMT

    Agree with Ian on this. Fair and unbiased opinion. 3 test matches - India did not show any spine in batting or bowling. Some of Indian fans quote 0-4 Australia . That's only on flat tracks. When it comes to bouncy pitches, our records are dismal. Dhoni has to be replaced if he cannot take first slip catches.

  • AjayB on August 24, 2014, 11:30 GMT

    Scathing, uncomplimentary and absolutely true. Dhoni should go. With even Sanju Samson as Captain India will only do better. That India did not compete at all is a matter of shame and concern at the same time. Make Kumble the coach (if he wants it), he still has national pride.

  • Sigismund on August 24, 2014, 11:27 GMT

    The Aussies May enjoy humiliating England, but the likely impending slaughter of the Indians will be distasteful even for them, sad for the game.

  • imtiazjaleel on August 24, 2014, 11:23 GMT

    whatever your say Mr. Chappel, things won't change. They capitulated against swing and they will capitulate against pace and bounce. The result will be the same.

    I would like to ask Mr. Chappel about Australia who lost 4-0 to India in their last series. Did they put any fight against India.

  • ShankarV on August 24, 2014, 11:17 GMT

    Usually, Ian's columns are a good contra-indicator. When he starts lavishing praise on a player (Sehwag, Rohit Sharma, and more recently Kohli); their career takes a nose-dive, at least temporarily. In a similar vein, when he starts castigating teams using his "acerbic wit" to good effect with priceless expressions like "India's fortunes reversed quicker than a rat in retreat" etc. that alone should give the team some hope. Of course, there is such a thing as a dead cat bounce (see how cleverly I am following along with Ian with the rats and cats), but if Ian's history is any indicator, I believe the India team is now due for a bounce. Other than that, the article is a brilliant statement of the blindingly obvious. The only insight is about Dhoni's keeping (?) which is putting pressure on the slip cordon, though Ian is again quick to state that the slip fielders are doing a fine job messing up without Dhoni's help. Overall, another fine article from Ian.

  • TheBigBoodha on August 24, 2014, 10:37 GMT

    Tough words, but fair. Good to see only a few Indian fans in denial here, taking it far too personally.

  • apreds on August 24, 2014, 10:37 GMT

    "The BCCI deserves to share top billing with Dhoni when blame is being apportioned. Their casual acceptance of overseas defeats and obsession with finance has led Indian touring parties to become comfortable and compliant. This is not compatible with fielding a hard-nosed, competitive team". That's all that is needed to be said. Very accurate Ian.

  • DEArdeshir on August 24, 2014, 10:36 GMT

    So India played poorly the last three matches. What's the big deal ? Over one period you do well, over another you do badly. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. It's cricket. It's a sport. It's not war. To quote another Australian captain whom we in India consider far more sensible than Chappelli, "Nobody died !" And since we mention Australia, Chappell has conveniently forgotten the 0:4 drubbing Australia took in India just last year. Don't recall them competing - else it wouldn't have been the complete "brownwash" it was. Hell, here India at least won one Test ! Daraius Ardeshir

  • LillianThomson on August 24, 2014, 10:35 GMT

    I feel a perverse sympathy for the Indian players.

    They are so immersed in IPL and 50 over cricket that they don't understand that what really matters in terms of their sporting worth is their Test performance.

    All of us know that not just Kohli but even the likes of Jadeja have the capacity to become genuine Test players if they give up a year of IPL riches to play a full season of country cricket and learn how to adapt their techniques and carry a team in alien conditions.

    The likes of Binny and Jadeja are bits-and-pieces nothing players at present because they can get by in T20 without learning how to play proper cricket. But the only thing stopping Jadeja from becoming Ravi Shastri is a poor cricket brain making him unable to learn.

    India need a spin bowler who can bat at number 8 home and away and tie down an end overseas to rotate the quick bowlers. At present Ashwin is ahead of Jadeja because he is a sounder batsman, but if Jadeja would learn the game he could develop.

  • on August 24, 2014, 10:03 GMT

    I don't think it would be a bad idea to make Virat Kohli the captain, despite his poor form. Yes, it would be putting him under enormous pressure to send him to Australia with both the responsibility of the team and worries about his own form - but pressure is something he has always responded to extremely well. It would also send a positive message to him - that despite what may have happened in this series, we have complete faith in you as a player and a leader. It may even do his batting good.

    People have questioned whether he'd be 'too aggressive'. It'd be a welcome change at this stage surely. Dhoni seems to me to believe 'try your best but if it doesn't work, it doesn't work - don't fuss about it, tomorrow's another day'. That's not winning the team tests abroad. The team needs someone who'll be hurting after a loss, who will bring out that extra something in himself and the team just to avoid losing.

  • Sinhabahu on August 24, 2014, 9:41 GMT

    Well said, Ian. India disgraced themselves by meekly surrendering from the 3rd Test onwards. Even the sense of schadenfreude some were experiencing quickly gave way to horror by the end of it. I suppose Angelo Mathews can send the crate of his favourite tipple back to Dhoni.

  • dunger.bob on August 24, 2014, 9:39 GMT

    I look forward to India visiting our sunny shores this summer. As others have said they really need to pick their attitude up though. If they don't intend to try, they shouldn't bother coming.

  • on August 24, 2014, 9:20 GMT

    There is really no need for Indian team to be competitive, they all have lucrative IPL contracts and endorsements. So why make an effort? Dhoni seems to be captaining against his will, test captaincy has been thrust upon him. I am glad that there was more interest for Commonwealth games than cricket at times, it is high time for more sports to find a room in Indian homes.

  • Sexysteven on August 24, 2014, 9:17 GMT

    Good article that India are a basket case if they don't take test cricket seriously then they shouldn't play cricket at all dhoni has to go as captain and as keeper at least his keeping was seriously as bad as I've seen and that would have played some part in the slips dropping catches and his captaincy was very negative a lot like cooks and dhoni backing the selections of binny and jadeja was mind blowing when we all can see they ain't test players just crazy crap as long as dhoni is still in charge India are never going to win overseas kohli should be the captain he seems like he would be more positive then dhoni kohlis form will come good no concerns there for me he's got to be captain if India want to go ford

  • SpaMaster on August 24, 2014, 9:14 GMT

    No siam, Sherlock. We all know that. Tell us something new. By the way, you quips are too late. BTW, winning and losing is part of any sport. Crumbling and thumping as well. Your own Australian team just got whitewashed 0-4 in India last year. So, it's fine. Indian cricket won't die. It will fare well again, lose again and the cycle would continue just like other teams.

  • FAnon on August 24, 2014, 8:59 GMT

    The common denominators in the disgraceful showings in fhe last tours of England and Australia have been Fletcher and Dhoni. The tours of SA and NZ were lacking too, lacking in gumption nous and in competetive force. Those 2 make a terrible team. Dhoni seems to think captaincy is a matter of influence not cricket intelligence or initiative. Fighting lone hands in lost causes might seem heroic but not when you have played the major hand in sinking the ship in the first place. Championing unworthy players, not doing your core job, and lacksadaisical lazy indifference will only lead those you lead to ruin.

  • on August 24, 2014, 8:41 GMT

    there is 3-1 hammering, with some matches almost no contests( if it were in a ring, the towel would have been thrown in ages ago), to back up Chappells style I think.

  • ut4me87 on August 24, 2014, 8:36 GMT

    I don't understand why this team is called "Young" team. In 1971 India won the series against all odds by winning at Oval. Gavaskar and Vishi at that time were only 22 and Solkar who was the most Dependable batsman was 23 or 24. Mankad was not that old and he failed on a regular basis. So most of the batting unit was inexperienced but had the guts to show and could field. 1996 saw the arrival of Ganguly and Dravid and changes started to happen. Did they play swing bowling before? NO. How old were they? 23. In other words, they were much younger than the present lot but much more gutsy players. I saw them. Ganguly's body language was of man who was confident. This team came here destined to lose.

  • Bobby_Talyarkhan on August 24, 2014, 8:33 GMT

    Ian Chappell makes some excellent points but his analysis is undeveloped.

    The point Chappell makes about the captain not being able to vote on selection is a good one. But he lets off Duncan Fletcher too easily. Fletcher should either be more assertive against Dhoni or he actually agreed with Dhoni's selections. In any case, the touring party was chosen by the selectors and not by Dhoni.

    As a great captain Chappell emphasises the importance of leadership. But why were talented players like Dhawan etc. unable to find their form?

    The lack of any competitive first-class cricket before and between the tests is the main reason. BCCI must swallow its commercialism and arrange more first class matches against counties. Fletcher has to get over his prejudices against county cricket. Net practice is not enough. Better to spend time out in the middle in a competitive environment batting, bowling and fielding against hardened professionals with knowledge of local conditions than shopping.

  • on August 24, 2014, 8:30 GMT

    not just defeat awaits these bunch o losers there down under but a few cracked jaws n skulls too. if winning or competing doesn't motivate you atleast the primary urge of self preservation should prevail coz uncle mitch is gonna love pitchin em short.

  • 5wombats on August 24, 2014, 8:22 GMT

    @Nutcutlet (August 24, 2014, 6:06 GMT) Hello again mate. I absolutely agree with you about feeling let down by India. But we've seen it all before, haven't we? In 2011 India were so utterly woeful that by the time they got to the Oval - even though I had tickets, I just couldn't justify paying to watch - so I sold the tickets. I've never done that in over 40 years of watching Test cricket all round the world. Sure enough India were thrashed by an Innings. The pity of it was that I missed a century by Dravid - one of my all-time favourite Indian players and I would have been delighted to stand to applaud him. So, I had that feeling of betrayal in 2011 and I said so here on cricinfo. Because of their unwillingness to compete there seems to be no point in paying any attention to India. This is why I have hardly commented on this series. If they can't be bothered with Test cricket - then why should anyone take them seriously?

  • tgevans on August 24, 2014, 8:11 GMT

    Dhoni certainly deserves to be sacked for precisely the reasons enumerated by Ian Chappell, but India does not have reserves of cricketing talent to replace Dhoni either as keeper or captain. Raina should have been groomed as a successor. He's a better leader than Dhoni and has the ability to be a dependable test cricketer.

  • BellCurve on August 24, 2014, 8:04 GMT

    As many of you predicted, T20 is killing Test cricket. T20 favours big hitters and slow bowlers, where as Tests favour good batting technique and fast bowling. India is the first to succumb. They have stacked their team with stroke makers and dibbly-dobbly bowlers (e.g. Pankaj and Binny). That works in the IPL, but it will not cut the mustard in England, SA and Aus. India will go to Aus at the end of the year and get pummelled once again.

  • Dagur on August 24, 2014, 7:49 GMT

    Accurate analysis by Ian. No scope for disagreeing . But I am afraid, looking to his over aggressive and almost volatile attitude, Virat Kohli is not the right candidate for captaincy, at least not for long term.

  • OneTipOneHand on August 24, 2014, 7:43 GMT

    Predictable comments with flimsy evidence to back any of his opinions. Chappell sure likes to make it up as he goes, and he's good at it too. If only there was substance to back up his style....

  • DizzD on August 24, 2014, 7:41 GMT

    What puzzles me is that other main two test paying nations in asia keep producing winning teams consistently and at the moment sri lanka is the best test team in asia without a doubt. India being 100 times bigger in size and with 1 bn population can't match those performance? At least give a fight. Sri lanka won the series in england and made Anderson cry on the presentation( check net if you not sure) and then came Indians to make him looks like the best bowler in the world. Shameful performance by indians in all standards.

  • sachin_ten_fan on August 24, 2014, 7:27 GMT

    Frankly speaking none of the indian bowlers would make it in to any county teams in England and none of the batsman would be first choice. It's a lot to do with the domestic set up in India. It's not to say that these are the best condition in England to play with but when you come here you come prepared to play in these conditions. No point in coming here as a 'Dhoni' or a 'Kohli' with an attitude but come here as a player who is hungry to perform and do well for their country. That hunger is seen with the Aussies, with the English, with the South Africans and with the Srilankans, but sadly not with the Indians. That's because they are in a comfort zone as stated in this article. They get paid more than any other cricketer in the world and honestly they are not bothered that much of the outcome. The pay should be based on outcome. Basic pay should be an avg pay and perks should be given if you perform well no mater whether win or lose. Or else the results will repeat.

  • on August 24, 2014, 7:21 GMT

    If India think they will win then they fight for it, if they don't then they don't, and collapse like a house of cards

    Not like they have to care either way, controlling world cricket and all that..

  • on August 24, 2014, 7:16 GMT

    Some of the comments made by Ian Chappell are laughable. Looks like he has the same attitude towards Dhoni that he had towards Steve Waugh many years ago. After all, Dhoni's captaincy was not as bad as Ian Chappell seems to convey. Dhoni did keep making changes but then the bowlers and fielders need to respond too. And but for Dhoni's batting, India would not have reached even 100 in the first innings of the last two Test matches. There is no point in stripping Dhoni of the captaincy, he is not doing as badly as the results seem to convey, and moreover there is no viable candidate who can take up the responsibility. In the current situation I dread to imagine what would be the scenario if Dhoni were to be not in the team.

  • ianbellfan on August 24, 2014, 7:16 GMT

    @Murali Krishna: Your post is what worries me as an Indian fan. After every loss, we try to attribute some excuse for it. In 2011, our stars were becoming old. Now, our team is too young. Young in what parameter? Kohli has been playing tests since 2011. Ashwin, Vijay, Kohli and Pujara have all played more than 20 tests. On the contrary, it was Eng which was inexperienced - Robson, Ballance, Ali, Jordan, Woakes and Buttler have all played less than 10 tests. Root had played less than 20 when the series began. We hyped up Ishant after one match winning spell. After 60 tests, by law of average, anybody can turn in the occasional match-winning spell. If a bowler who averages about 3 wickets per match is the leader of your bowling, then there is no way you are going to take 20 wickets on a consistent basis. Finally, coming to Dhoni, he has been given a very long rope. If he wants to see India back at the top he has to commit himself and not confuse all by dropping hints of quitting tests.

  • on August 24, 2014, 7:06 GMT

    Good article. But the root cause is also poor domestic structure of India Cricket. Far too many teams competing in Ranjit Trophy and docile, spinning pitches on which it is played on. India cricketers are not prepared to play under such condition and they have to make one of the hardest adjustment in cricket every time they tour abroad. Now, that's not feasible every time as shown by Murali Vijay and Bhuvi. As usual BCCI wont fix this.Instead, find a scapegoat. In couple of months time we will have Test matches in India playing against weak West Indies and all this will be forgotten. If India wants to rule world Test Cricket much like West Indies and Australia did then they need world class fast bowlers and batsmen who can perform in these conditions. For that to happen BCCI needs to provide conducive environment in domestic cricket. Chopping captain might just changes few things. It will not iron out perennial deficiency.

  • on August 24, 2014, 7:03 GMT

    It is India's history in away series. When the going gets tough, India capitulate. They give up. Nothing new here!

  • sharidas on August 24, 2014, 7:03 GMT

    I have to agree with Chappell's views here. I was a great fan of Dhoni, but, lately find it not inspiring at all. Now, I feel that using the same captain in all formats of the game is not a good idea, besides it robs us of a chance to groom a good wicketkeeper.

  • on August 24, 2014, 7:01 GMT

    Not only Dhoni but the selectors also are to be blamed. Gambhir, Binny were surprise selections. McGrath constantly has been praising Ishwar Pandey as one to watch out as a seamer. This young man was never given a chance. Bhubaneswar Kumar was sorted out after the first two tests. Like Irfan Pathan after a few tests these hard working medium pace swingers are no more a threat even in swinging conditions. Cook and others stood outside the crease and combated the swing. Swing with pace and bounce like Anderson is more difficult to handle. Anderson and Cook never gave away loose delivers on leg or middle and leg for Indians to score. The pace, length and line just made a mess of the Indian batting. Something to emulate for the Indian pacemen. We never learn. A a team we are satisfied with a few centuries and a few wins at home. Dhoni as a captain has never delivered in alien conditions be it in selection of the teams or in proactive leadership.

  • sachin_ten_fan on August 24, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    I agree with Ian Chappell on this occasion although when comments come from the Chappell brothers, I take them with a pinch of salt. When Australia did badly in England they got rid of their coach and brought in Lehmann. Things changed for them for us to see. BCCI need to look at Fletcher and Dhoni combo which obviously is not working. At Old Trafford on the 2nd day after lunch when England were 170 odd for 6 and still within reach, Dhoni started with Jadeja and Singh, the tactics even both the bowlers would have not agreed with. But the decision was made in the dressing room and surely not just by Dhoni but fletcher as well. That was ludicrous to say the least. Dhoni made similar calls in the rest of the days of the series. But for bad batting by England on that post lunch session at Lords, the series could have read 4/0. The sooner BCCI understand that better for the fans because simply I have lost interest in the indian cricket and surely i am not alone.

  • on August 24, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    Ian Chappell's article reflects true bare facts of Indian cricket. Dhoni, as I have been saying is obsessed with himself, so much so that he is no longer interested in playing test cricket. He knows that he lacks vital skills to play test cricket, leave alone leading a test team. Why on earth does the BCCI not understand that his presence on the Indian team itself is damaging the reputation of Indian cricket. The mediocre and a demoralised English team suffering humiliation at the hands of Australia, is now fully rejuvenated after this Indian tour.

    Cook must be very grateful to MS Dhoni for giving him 3 lifelines on a platter, yet no remorse, decides to give a shot at 'Firing Range' by booking 2 days off just before the start of the final test. Is this the way a Captain motivates his losing side. This Indian of overrated millionaire players was out to enjoy the English Summer and desperately wanted test matches to pathetically end in less than 3 days. Dhoni and Fletcher both must go.

  • on August 24, 2014, 6:50 GMT

    Good article. But like other articles on India loss this also ignores root cause of the problem. The real problem lies in India Domestic Cricket structure and pitches on which they are played. 27 Ranjit trophy team is far too many and dilutes the quality of competitive cricket. Add to that is docile and spinning pitches. Sadly, BCCI won't fix this as this does not suit lot of power hungry state cricket administrator. There is also fact that India does not play that many practices matches before beginning and during the test series. What this means that cricket has to come prepared from their domestic cricket to play on pacy and bouncy pitches which has movement as well. Unfortunately, due to quality of pitches in domestic cricket this does not happen and what to have is India players have to make hardest adjustments to play and flourish in these condition and this is really tough on them to do this consistently over a period of 5 test as shown by Murali Vijay and Bhuvi.

  • BradmanBestEver on August 24, 2014, 6:23 GMT

    It was England's good luck that India gave up because it masked how bad England is.

    "give up" are not words that in an Australian cricket team's vocabulary or in the player's minds, this is the single biggest difference between Australian cricket teams down through the years and the rest of the pack. Such is the way of things

  • jango_moh on August 24, 2014, 6:23 GMT

    @LillianThomson.... "India got lucky by being gifted easy pitches at the start of the series, which gave them an early lead which they could not maintain because they neither understood how to bat or bowl on normal English pitches" this is not true at all!! the lords pitch swung and seamed crazy, it is sad that you are just getting on the bandwagon without even knowing details of the games!!!!! that said, i agree with the rest of your analysis..... also dhoni and his weird selections and decisions need to go, make pujara/kohli or anyone sane the captain!!!!

  • on August 24, 2014, 6:18 GMT

    well just comment about clarke captaincy in India and England which Australia lose 4-0,3-0, thing this is new India team and batted worst conditions VS England except last innings in 5th test

  • george204 on August 24, 2014, 6:14 GMT

    @LillianThomson - dead right, the schedule for this tour was ridiculous - two 3-day games followed by five back to back tests gave India nowhere to hide when things started to go wrong. At the very least, there should have been three four day games to start, then another between the 1st & 2nd tests, and another between the 2nd & 3rd tests. The abominable pitch at Trent Bridge may have lulled them into a false sense of security too.

  • Longmemory on August 24, 2014, 6:09 GMT

    As is often the case, Ian Chappell is right on target. India's teams seem to have just resigned themselves to losing on the road and to not even attempt to put up a fight. I feared that fluky victory at Lords was going to send all the wrong messages to the team and that's exactly what happened. MS immediately went on the defensive, bringing in an extra batsman to "protect" his lead in the series. We might as well as give up right now for the Australia series if the team is going to be largely unchanged. In fact, I think its entirely possible one of the Aussie frontline batters may beat Lara's 400 against our bowling. Really quite pathetic.

  • on August 24, 2014, 6:08 GMT

    First of all I take anything said by Ian Chappell with a pinch of salt. His articles are usually opinionated and for the last year or so he has found some reason or another to have a go at Dhoni in each of his article. First of all he mentions Dhoni's tactics as defensive but does not even give one example of how. I watched the majority of the series and Dhoni continually kept trying one thing after another. The bowlers unfortunately were not responding and on the rare occasion they did the disastrous slip cordon let them down. The batting was an absolute shambles but once again Dhoni was the saving grace most of the time. A quick judgement would be to blame Dhoni for losses as he is the captain but a captain can only do so much when his team are playing poorly. How well did Ian Chappel's favourite Michael Clarke go in India and England when their batting was poor.

  • Nutcutlet on August 24, 2014, 6:06 GMT

    This article: brief, trenchant and, IMO, absolutely correct. In addtion to the points made here, there is one, I think, that's worth adding. Dohni, through his lassez-faire attitude (as captain and w/k) in the 3-5th Tests, broke the implicit contract-of-honour that exists between the cricket lover (who, never forget, has paid his hard-earned to see a contest) and his team. By buying the ticket the spectator takes on trust that he'll see the best & most competitive play between two sides that are making 100% effort, individually and collectively. There is no shame at all in losing -- never has been. Losing without trying is the opposite; it's shameful. And that is something that I find very difficult to take. I feel betrayed and my devotion to the game has been dismissed as worthless for three Tests in succession. And because the Indian team represents the BCCI, then the board must be held equally culpable.

  • on August 24, 2014, 6:03 GMT

    ms Dhoni just doesn't cut it as a test captain. too much power and money. bcci hv made a lot of rich 20-20 Players .. time to give a real test batsmen the captaincy. murali vijay is my choice...

  • on August 24, 2014, 6:03 GMT

    i absolutely agree with ian chappel.

  • B.R.K.R on August 24, 2014, 6:02 GMT

    as always an excellent analysis by ian chappell

  • on August 24, 2014, 5:58 GMT

    First of all I take anything said by Ian Chappell with a pinch of salt. His articles are usually opinionated and for the last year or so he has found some reason or another to have a go at Dhoni in each of his article. First of all he mentions Dhoni's tactics as defensive but does not even give one example of how. I watched the majority of the series and Dhoni continually kept trying one thing after another. The bowlers unfortunately were not responding and on the rare occasion they did the disastrous slip cordon let them down. The batting was an absolute shambles but once again Dhoni was the saving grace most of the time. A quick judgement would be to blame Dhoni for losses as he is the captain but a captain can only do so much when his team are playing poorly. How well did Ian Chappel's favourite Michael Clarke go in India and England when their batting was poor.

  • Sniper on August 24, 2014, 5:55 GMT

    The failure to compete shows the poor commitment of the players. The BCCI is to blame for this. The over emphasis on money has made the players complacent as long as their bank accounts were filled. To top it even girl friends were allowed to accompany players on tour. A most unusual procedure. No wonder Kohli performed so badly. Team selection should be based on form and not on past performances. Finally in spite of our best efforts the country has not been able to produce pace bowlers of international standards. Our spinners have also detiorated compared to those in other countries. Finally Dhoni seems to have lost interest in winning and just plays for playing sake.

  • immi2711 on August 24, 2014, 5:47 GMT

    As PAK supporter, I think Dhoni is the one of the best India found after Ganguly. Look everyone is a king in their back yard, so if English are winning in UK, it is not that big of a deal. Yes, on paper, India should beat, but Asian pitches are no where near the same as english pitch. So the blame should be on BCCI/PCB/SL cricket boards to develop english pitches at home, so when these guys go out and play on foreign pitches they dont look like a deer in a shooting range.....

    But no doubt Dhoni is good, he has played well in UK, he cant play for everyone. yes INDIA should have shown some fight with the loaded gun in their arsenal, and you can punish some for that, I will start with Kohli and Dhawan, these guys were give king status on home conditions, and they turned out hollow....

  • muzika_tchaikovskogo on August 24, 2014, 5:47 GMT

    I'm betting on India getting hammered 0-4 in Australia- four tests of 3 days each.

  • on August 24, 2014, 5:22 GMT

    Interesting that there is no mention of the disastrous effects of 20-20 cricket on the Indian batting. I recall Australias Steve Smith was woeful in tests initially but came good later. India fared poorly in NZ as well. Quite a contrast with the Srilankans overall. India will bounce back as they have good players in the team and in waiting. Lets hope this will not have a bad effect on their performance at the World Cup next year.

  • landl47 on August 24, 2014, 4:46 GMT

    While India's downfall was calamitous, some credit has to be given to England. Other than the 4 senior players (Cook, Bell, Broad and Anderson) the rest of the side in the last 3 tests was very inexperienced, yet they got better and better. India, also a young side, got worse and worse.

    There's some very good talent in the Indian side. Pujara, Kohli and Rahane are good young batsmen and Bhuvi, Aaron and Ishant are a good seam unit. The spinners, Ashwin and Jadeja, are much better suited to short-format than tests, at least outside the subcontinent.

    Dhoni made some grave mistakes. Replacing Dhawan with Gambhir was a backward step and Binny never looked like a test-quality bowler. The way the bowlers were used and the field placings were also issues. Still, he might have got away with it if England had not seized on and exploited the weaknesses.

  • on August 24, 2014, 4:35 GMT

    I don't know why Dhoni bashing has started all of a sudden. It's not his fault that his top order has been getting out woefully. It's not his fault that his bowlers are not providing him the breakthroughs consistently. Bhuvi did his best in the first 3 tests but he alone can't get you 20 wickets. Ishant was brilliant in some sessions but not consistent. It is Sad to see that India does not have any world class spinner after Anil and Bhajji. India won the Lords test when the batting order with some help from Jadeja posted a competitive total. They did not in the next 3 tests and the result is for all to see. I agree with Ian on Binny. If he was selected as an all rounder then he should have been in the team for all the 5 test matches. Dhoni should learn a thing or two from Cook in this regard. He stuck with Moeen even when he was giving away over 4 runs an over in the first 2 test matches but after that he finished with 19 wickets in the series.

  • henchart on August 24, 2014, 4:34 GMT

    Despite the concerns being expressed about the malaise afflicting Indian cricket BCCI appears least bothered.Making superficial changes like bringing Shastri in for couple of weeks wont help. IPL rules the roost and rakes the moolah.BCCI gives and would continue to give importance to IPL only.Unfortunate but true.1-3 in England,0-4 in Australia is hardly going to hurt men who matter.Fans can continue being despondent.Players would be laughing their way to the bank .

  • LillianThomson on August 24, 2014, 4:27 GMT

    When Sehwag didn't know who Vinoo Mankad was it was interesting that Mihir Bose observed that most Indians are indifferent to history and consequently don't learn from it.

    The current BCCI and players like Dhoni and Jadeja make their decisions on and off the pitch without the benefit of learning from decades of prior experience.

    Those of us over 40 know that an Asian side can only adapt to English conditions by arriving a month before the First Test (at least), playing at least 4 First Class matches before the First Test and playing further First Class matches between Tests.

    India got lucky by being gifted easy pitches at the start of the series, which gave them an early lead which they could not maintain because they neither understood how to bat or bowl on normal English pitches.

    I live in Australia, but I haven't bought tickets for India's upcoming tour because I know they will fail with bat and ball.

    The Big Three needs India to learn to master the Test format, home and away.

  • MiddleStump on August 24, 2014, 3:49 GMT

    Chappell is right. The only saving grace is that India cannot do any worse in Australia. Changes in the coaching staff could also make for better team selections. It may not be enough to win but they could be competitive.

  • tanstell87 on August 24, 2014, 3:48 GMT

    Indian fan here....i completely agree with Ian Chappell here...Dhoni needs to be replaced as captain...but as wicket keeper a big no even if he is letting those chances go away....there is no wicket-keeper in India that comes close to Dhoni maybe Samson or Uthappa but they lack experience...

    Virat should be captain irrespective of his batting failures in England..Ricky Ponting struggled in India still he was persisted with as captain...Kohli to me is Ponting in the making but BCCI is hell bent on keeping Dhoni as test captain even after he led India to 8-0 in 2011-12 & now losses in South Africa, New Zealand & England again....although the test team did well in South Africa & New Zealand, its time to bring in a new captain, an aggressive captain like Clarke if India wish to get back at the top in the test rankings.

    with Dhoni at the helm in Australia, India will lose 4-0 in tests, wont make the final of the tri series & will more probably lose in the quarter-final stage of World Cup.

  • jmcilhinney on August 24, 2014, 2:34 GMT

    Australia has had a very good bowling attack for a while and Mitchell Johnson was stellar in the Ashes and almost as good for two of the three Tests in SA. Their batting was lacklustre early on in the Ashes but improved as they gained more confidence from their bowlers and was genuinely good in SA. They looked iffy at in the field when they were at their worst but were excellent in that regard during the Ashes. I think that had Australia been playing in England's stead, India probably would have lost at Lords too. If India don't improve markedly in the interim, it really is hard to see how they can avoid a whitewash. There are unlikely to be an pitches like Trent Bridge in Australia so results are almost guaranteed and if the India that turned up in England also fronts up in Australia then what those results will be is pretty much a foregone conclusion.

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  • jmcilhinney on August 24, 2014, 2:34 GMT

    Australia has had a very good bowling attack for a while and Mitchell Johnson was stellar in the Ashes and almost as good for two of the three Tests in SA. Their batting was lacklustre early on in the Ashes but improved as they gained more confidence from their bowlers and was genuinely good in SA. They looked iffy at in the field when they were at their worst but were excellent in that regard during the Ashes. I think that had Australia been playing in England's stead, India probably would have lost at Lords too. If India don't improve markedly in the interim, it really is hard to see how they can avoid a whitewash. There are unlikely to be an pitches like Trent Bridge in Australia so results are almost guaranteed and if the India that turned up in England also fronts up in Australia then what those results will be is pretty much a foregone conclusion.

  • tanstell87 on August 24, 2014, 3:48 GMT

    Indian fan here....i completely agree with Ian Chappell here...Dhoni needs to be replaced as captain...but as wicket keeper a big no even if he is letting those chances go away....there is no wicket-keeper in India that comes close to Dhoni maybe Samson or Uthappa but they lack experience...

    Virat should be captain irrespective of his batting failures in England..Ricky Ponting struggled in India still he was persisted with as captain...Kohli to me is Ponting in the making but BCCI is hell bent on keeping Dhoni as test captain even after he led India to 8-0 in 2011-12 & now losses in South Africa, New Zealand & England again....although the test team did well in South Africa & New Zealand, its time to bring in a new captain, an aggressive captain like Clarke if India wish to get back at the top in the test rankings.

    with Dhoni at the helm in Australia, India will lose 4-0 in tests, wont make the final of the tri series & will more probably lose in the quarter-final stage of World Cup.

  • MiddleStump on August 24, 2014, 3:49 GMT

    Chappell is right. The only saving grace is that India cannot do any worse in Australia. Changes in the coaching staff could also make for better team selections. It may not be enough to win but they could be competitive.

  • LillianThomson on August 24, 2014, 4:27 GMT

    When Sehwag didn't know who Vinoo Mankad was it was interesting that Mihir Bose observed that most Indians are indifferent to history and consequently don't learn from it.

    The current BCCI and players like Dhoni and Jadeja make their decisions on and off the pitch without the benefit of learning from decades of prior experience.

    Those of us over 40 know that an Asian side can only adapt to English conditions by arriving a month before the First Test (at least), playing at least 4 First Class matches before the First Test and playing further First Class matches between Tests.

    India got lucky by being gifted easy pitches at the start of the series, which gave them an early lead which they could not maintain because they neither understood how to bat or bowl on normal English pitches.

    I live in Australia, but I haven't bought tickets for India's upcoming tour because I know they will fail with bat and ball.

    The Big Three needs India to learn to master the Test format, home and away.

  • henchart on August 24, 2014, 4:34 GMT

    Despite the concerns being expressed about the malaise afflicting Indian cricket BCCI appears least bothered.Making superficial changes like bringing Shastri in for couple of weeks wont help. IPL rules the roost and rakes the moolah.BCCI gives and would continue to give importance to IPL only.Unfortunate but true.1-3 in England,0-4 in Australia is hardly going to hurt men who matter.Fans can continue being despondent.Players would be laughing their way to the bank .

  • on August 24, 2014, 4:35 GMT

    I don't know why Dhoni bashing has started all of a sudden. It's not his fault that his top order has been getting out woefully. It's not his fault that his bowlers are not providing him the breakthroughs consistently. Bhuvi did his best in the first 3 tests but he alone can't get you 20 wickets. Ishant was brilliant in some sessions but not consistent. It is Sad to see that India does not have any world class spinner after Anil and Bhajji. India won the Lords test when the batting order with some help from Jadeja posted a competitive total. They did not in the next 3 tests and the result is for all to see. I agree with Ian on Binny. If he was selected as an all rounder then he should have been in the team for all the 5 test matches. Dhoni should learn a thing or two from Cook in this regard. He stuck with Moeen even when he was giving away over 4 runs an over in the first 2 test matches but after that he finished with 19 wickets in the series.

  • landl47 on August 24, 2014, 4:46 GMT

    While India's downfall was calamitous, some credit has to be given to England. Other than the 4 senior players (Cook, Bell, Broad and Anderson) the rest of the side in the last 3 tests was very inexperienced, yet they got better and better. India, also a young side, got worse and worse.

    There's some very good talent in the Indian side. Pujara, Kohli and Rahane are good young batsmen and Bhuvi, Aaron and Ishant are a good seam unit. The spinners, Ashwin and Jadeja, are much better suited to short-format than tests, at least outside the subcontinent.

    Dhoni made some grave mistakes. Replacing Dhawan with Gambhir was a backward step and Binny never looked like a test-quality bowler. The way the bowlers were used and the field placings were also issues. Still, he might have got away with it if England had not seized on and exploited the weaknesses.

  • on August 24, 2014, 5:22 GMT

    Interesting that there is no mention of the disastrous effects of 20-20 cricket on the Indian batting. I recall Australias Steve Smith was woeful in tests initially but came good later. India fared poorly in NZ as well. Quite a contrast with the Srilankans overall. India will bounce back as they have good players in the team and in waiting. Lets hope this will not have a bad effect on their performance at the World Cup next year.

  • muzika_tchaikovskogo on August 24, 2014, 5:47 GMT

    I'm betting on India getting hammered 0-4 in Australia- four tests of 3 days each.

  • immi2711 on August 24, 2014, 5:47 GMT

    As PAK supporter, I think Dhoni is the one of the best India found after Ganguly. Look everyone is a king in their back yard, so if English are winning in UK, it is not that big of a deal. Yes, on paper, India should beat, but Asian pitches are no where near the same as english pitch. So the blame should be on BCCI/PCB/SL cricket boards to develop english pitches at home, so when these guys go out and play on foreign pitches they dont look like a deer in a shooting range.....

    But no doubt Dhoni is good, he has played well in UK, he cant play for everyone. yes INDIA should have shown some fight with the loaded gun in their arsenal, and you can punish some for that, I will start with Kohli and Dhawan, these guys were give king status on home conditions, and they turned out hollow....