India v New Zealand, 1st ODI, Dambulla August 11, 2010

India undone by 'spongy' bounce

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Every now and then the Indian batting is tested in difficult one-day conditions, and they usually tend to come up short, though not as spectacularly as against New Zealand in the opening match of the tri-series. Last year, they batted first on a damp pitch in Guwahati and were sliced to 27 for 5 by Mitchell Johnson and Doug Bollinger before Praveen Kumar and Ravindra Jadeja partially revived India with half-centuries. There was no lower-order rescue on Monday, and India slid to the lowest total in ODIs this year.

There wasn't the exaggerated movement which worked so well for India in the Asia Cup final, but the bounce and slowness of the track proved too much. MS Dhoni explained that while the pacy short ball has troubled some of the Indian batsmen, it was not what they were up against in Dambulla.

"This is completely different bounce, it is very spongy, bowlers are bowling 125-126 and the keeper is standing where he usually does for Shoaib Akhtar," Dhoni said. "You can't really drive off the backfoot, the only option is to cut and pull, and if the bowler doesn't give room, it is very difficult to score."

There were no magic deliveries from New Zealand to warrant such a limp display. All Daryl Tuffey and Kyle Mills did was keep the ball a touch short and maintain tight lines, which was enough to coax India's batsmen to give the New Zealand slip cordon a thorough workout. Rohit Sharma opened the face to steer to slip, Suresh Raina attempted a cover drive away from his body to edge to slip, Yuvraj Singh fished outside off to nick it to slip.

"Players in the subcontinent generally don't like the ball anywhere above the waist," Scott Styris said. "Not because they are scared but because it is different compared to the usual subcontinental wicket. This has lot more bounce and we learnt that during the practice sessions. We really wanted to put some short balls in there."

Styris had played a big role in New Zealand recovering from a top-order collapse, his 190-run partnership with Ross Taylor effectively putting the match beyond India. Dhoni was unhappy about the mistakes in the field that allowed New Zealand to reach such a commanding total. "There were a couple of missed chances, Styris missed stumping [when he was on 16], Ross Taylor's dropped catch [on 45 by Suresh Raina], still if we had got both of them they still would have got at least 200 which the way they bowled would have been very difficult to chase."

New Zealand packed their side with quick bowlers, a strategy which worked well for them, but India were left with only two quick bowlers for much of the innings after Abhimanyu Mithun's heat stroke. While the new-ball bowlers, Praveen Kumar and Ashish Nehra, took 7 for 90 between them, India's spinners were caned for 161 runs in 26 overs. "We had four fast bowlers and they had three. That was the difference," Styris said. "We knew that they didn't have reserves."

Siddarth Ravindran is a sub-editor at Cricinfo

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  • gandabhai on August 16, 2010, 21:18 GMT

    In a limited over's match, it is easy to be" caught out" by the surprise element ,before you know it youv'e lost too many wickets too quickly and it becomes impossible to claw things back .Once in a while this will happen .Whats the BIG DEAL ? Even Mendis had a great time with his doosra & toosra when he first came onto the scene ,WHERE is he now without his surprise element ?All you kicking India ,youre barking up the wrong tree .

  • on August 14, 2010, 19:02 GMT

    I mean why dont accept the fact that we not quit equipped to play fast bowling, every now and then we are falling prey to short pitch stuff . As sunil Gavaskar in his interview explained the need for technical training in NATIONAL CRICKET ACADEMY ,I agree with his comment. I hope any body from admin after reading must mark my words that this is going to continue after every big loss, unless this flaw is not rectified.

    Their seems to be great bit of politics happennig inside selection committe well, thats the reason why ravindra jadeja and murli vijay still playing in the side after being failed so may times and hammered by Aussies for jadeja;s case.

    Feel sorry for Robin uttappa after playing so well in the IPL but could make for this series I mean this is zonal polictics more than anything else. well I am constraint by word numbers and have lot more thing to tell . We are fool to waste our time for this BCCI could only make money out of these .

  • sanjeewakaru on August 14, 2010, 16:09 GMT

    I'm a Srilankan.I thoroughly believe that India has below par chance to make the definitive team that they can produce than SL,PAK even BAN.This because with one billion population the real cricket talent may hide and averager may emerge.As India has large population it must have the talented team in the subcontinent since SL have similar generation to IND(PAK some what different with they consistently produce good fast ballers).Still the most talented team in subcontinent is IND apart from fast bowling,But they have to perform in the required time that small to do with the talent.On this issue IND is the worst compere to their talent since largely because CROWD PRESSURE(if they performed they gods if not traitors),vast media who egxaggerate mean issues,and lack of intensity (poor fielding,poor running,lack of practice due to more cricket).If IND produce their defenitive team,their fans may satisfy with their team as SL fans with their small island team even in the lost.

  • zxaar on August 14, 2010, 11:02 GMT

    @alikhan224 "..we(pakistan) we beaten by england and aussies...u were beaten by SL and now NZ..." ------------------------------- the main difference is you lost again and again and again. It took your team 15 years to win a test against Aussies. We lost one match and you are comparing teams. Its just a one match. What if next match indians gave 300+ to same NZ side. Where will you hide then??? We have threashed NZ , yes thrashed NZ many times. It is not abnormal for indians to win. Worry about you team first and do not equate them.

  • theRule19 on August 14, 2010, 5:39 GMT

    The only weakness in the Indian side is their bowling and unless they improve that or find at least two pace bowlers who can consistently hit 140 k to 150 k mark accurately (or have a genuine all rounder), it is always going to be hard to win matches solely on batting. In this game; after having first three wickets cheaply, if there had been at least two more genuine fast bowlers to assist the swing bowler Praveen Kumar, they would not have been in tremendous pressure to chase a huge score under the lights. The only effective way to improve a team's win record is having a sound bowling and batting unit, then fielding can take care of itself. At this point the Indian selectors should spend their time in finding three genuine pace bowlers (out of which one is an all rounder) and two spinners. As it is they have enough batting talent, but to be a better cricketing side, they should definitely consider improving their bowling department as well.

  • MasterClass on August 14, 2010, 0:51 GMT

    NZ has always been a pretty good team in the ODI format and somehow they have a leg-up on India in this and T20 if you look at recent past. So pls give NZ credit as champion1469 said, and stop bashing Ind for one bad day. Those bashing Dhoni, Raina, etc just prove how stupid you yourself are.

  • on August 13, 2010, 20:10 GMT

    @ alikhan224: well u r rite in terms of India having less then 50% of winning record against pakistan.. However i wld lyk 2 remind u that pakistan have never won a single match against INDIA in ODI World Cup..n which wil never happen..so look at that 1st...lolzzzzz

    neways i m not saying that pakistan is a bad team..infact even i lyk pakistan team being an Indian..its just that ur team is not UNITTED...players fight among themselves..players call it for retirement...then they come back...they think International cricket is a joke..!!! Even i wld lyk 2 see pakistan once again becoming a good team...as it was b4..with players lyk...Wasim Akram,Imran Khan,Inzi, n mny more..but 2days players r involed in controversies..

    So buddy..look at every aspect...dnt jus keep on critizing India...being an Indian i can talk positive abt pakistan then y cnt u...thats d difference between u and Indians... Infact Wasim Akram himself said once that Indian team is much better then pakistan team.!!

  • on August 13, 2010, 19:28 GMT

    i think indians predict too much that what happen when they came in to bouncing pitch.The problem i saw in india team was, they can't show there're performance constantly.if they won one match superbly other two or three match Struggle with bat or bowl.But sri lanka didn't have that much problem,if they loose they will come back strongly.Other thing is some players in india, they didn't have much competition for there place ex:yuvi.They think there's place is secure no need to put 100% effort.but sri lanka that period has changed,even mahela,thilan,chamara have to put there effort 100% to protect there places in the squad.Any way india is a good team if they play from what they got.

  • BapiDas on August 13, 2010, 16:08 GMT

    Kiwis deserved to win and they did. They outplayed India in all departments and were thoroughly professional. On the other hand India failed to counter the rising deliveries, did not move their feet well when chasing wider deliveries and played the cut and pull shots too close to their bodies! When fielding they failed to hold on to the 'chances' that came their way, they were not as energetic as the Kiwis. They simply were not up to the mark and deserved the thrashing they received. I blame the entire team, not any individual.

  • BapiDas on August 13, 2010, 16:01 GMT

    For as long as I can remember, Indian batsmen have been troubled by the rising ball. They were not moving their feet well when chasing the occasional wider delivery and no wonder trying to cut or pull with the feet not in the correct position, they only manage to 'edge' the ball. It needs a lot of mental preparation to adapt and adjust and we simply can not expect this from the squad who had not had a lot of practice playing in such conditions. However, I have full faith that the Indians will work hard and come up with appropriate counter plan. The competition is still alive, very much so. Kiwis can not be expected to perform as good in every match.

  • gandabhai on August 16, 2010, 21:18 GMT

    In a limited over's match, it is easy to be" caught out" by the surprise element ,before you know it youv'e lost too many wickets too quickly and it becomes impossible to claw things back .Once in a while this will happen .Whats the BIG DEAL ? Even Mendis had a great time with his doosra & toosra when he first came onto the scene ,WHERE is he now without his surprise element ?All you kicking India ,youre barking up the wrong tree .

  • on August 14, 2010, 19:02 GMT

    I mean why dont accept the fact that we not quit equipped to play fast bowling, every now and then we are falling prey to short pitch stuff . As sunil Gavaskar in his interview explained the need for technical training in NATIONAL CRICKET ACADEMY ,I agree with his comment. I hope any body from admin after reading must mark my words that this is going to continue after every big loss, unless this flaw is not rectified.

    Their seems to be great bit of politics happennig inside selection committe well, thats the reason why ravindra jadeja and murli vijay still playing in the side after being failed so may times and hammered by Aussies for jadeja;s case.

    Feel sorry for Robin uttappa after playing so well in the IPL but could make for this series I mean this is zonal polictics more than anything else. well I am constraint by word numbers and have lot more thing to tell . We are fool to waste our time for this BCCI could only make money out of these .

  • sanjeewakaru on August 14, 2010, 16:09 GMT

    I'm a Srilankan.I thoroughly believe that India has below par chance to make the definitive team that they can produce than SL,PAK even BAN.This because with one billion population the real cricket talent may hide and averager may emerge.As India has large population it must have the talented team in the subcontinent since SL have similar generation to IND(PAK some what different with they consistently produce good fast ballers).Still the most talented team in subcontinent is IND apart from fast bowling,But they have to perform in the required time that small to do with the talent.On this issue IND is the worst compere to their talent since largely because CROWD PRESSURE(if they performed they gods if not traitors),vast media who egxaggerate mean issues,and lack of intensity (poor fielding,poor running,lack of practice due to more cricket).If IND produce their defenitive team,their fans may satisfy with their team as SL fans with their small island team even in the lost.

  • zxaar on August 14, 2010, 11:02 GMT

    @alikhan224 "..we(pakistan) we beaten by england and aussies...u were beaten by SL and now NZ..." ------------------------------- the main difference is you lost again and again and again. It took your team 15 years to win a test against Aussies. We lost one match and you are comparing teams. Its just a one match. What if next match indians gave 300+ to same NZ side. Where will you hide then??? We have threashed NZ , yes thrashed NZ many times. It is not abnormal for indians to win. Worry about you team first and do not equate them.

  • theRule19 on August 14, 2010, 5:39 GMT

    The only weakness in the Indian side is their bowling and unless they improve that or find at least two pace bowlers who can consistently hit 140 k to 150 k mark accurately (or have a genuine all rounder), it is always going to be hard to win matches solely on batting. In this game; after having first three wickets cheaply, if there had been at least two more genuine fast bowlers to assist the swing bowler Praveen Kumar, they would not have been in tremendous pressure to chase a huge score under the lights. The only effective way to improve a team's win record is having a sound bowling and batting unit, then fielding can take care of itself. At this point the Indian selectors should spend their time in finding three genuine pace bowlers (out of which one is an all rounder) and two spinners. As it is they have enough batting talent, but to be a better cricketing side, they should definitely consider improving their bowling department as well.

  • MasterClass on August 14, 2010, 0:51 GMT

    NZ has always been a pretty good team in the ODI format and somehow they have a leg-up on India in this and T20 if you look at recent past. So pls give NZ credit as champion1469 said, and stop bashing Ind for one bad day. Those bashing Dhoni, Raina, etc just prove how stupid you yourself are.

  • on August 13, 2010, 20:10 GMT

    @ alikhan224: well u r rite in terms of India having less then 50% of winning record against pakistan.. However i wld lyk 2 remind u that pakistan have never won a single match against INDIA in ODI World Cup..n which wil never happen..so look at that 1st...lolzzzzz

    neways i m not saying that pakistan is a bad team..infact even i lyk pakistan team being an Indian..its just that ur team is not UNITTED...players fight among themselves..players call it for retirement...then they come back...they think International cricket is a joke..!!! Even i wld lyk 2 see pakistan once again becoming a good team...as it was b4..with players lyk...Wasim Akram,Imran Khan,Inzi, n mny more..but 2days players r involed in controversies..

    So buddy..look at every aspect...dnt jus keep on critizing India...being an Indian i can talk positive abt pakistan then y cnt u...thats d difference between u and Indians... Infact Wasim Akram himself said once that Indian team is much better then pakistan team.!!

  • on August 13, 2010, 19:28 GMT

    i think indians predict too much that what happen when they came in to bouncing pitch.The problem i saw in india team was, they can't show there're performance constantly.if they won one match superbly other two or three match Struggle with bat or bowl.But sri lanka didn't have that much problem,if they loose they will come back strongly.Other thing is some players in india, they didn't have much competition for there place ex:yuvi.They think there's place is secure no need to put 100% effort.but sri lanka that period has changed,even mahela,thilan,chamara have to put there effort 100% to protect there places in the squad.Any way india is a good team if they play from what they got.

  • BapiDas on August 13, 2010, 16:08 GMT

    Kiwis deserved to win and they did. They outplayed India in all departments and were thoroughly professional. On the other hand India failed to counter the rising deliveries, did not move their feet well when chasing wider deliveries and played the cut and pull shots too close to their bodies! When fielding they failed to hold on to the 'chances' that came their way, they were not as energetic as the Kiwis. They simply were not up to the mark and deserved the thrashing they received. I blame the entire team, not any individual.

  • BapiDas on August 13, 2010, 16:01 GMT

    For as long as I can remember, Indian batsmen have been troubled by the rising ball. They were not moving their feet well when chasing the occasional wider delivery and no wonder trying to cut or pull with the feet not in the correct position, they only manage to 'edge' the ball. It needs a lot of mental preparation to adapt and adjust and we simply can not expect this from the squad who had not had a lot of practice playing in such conditions. However, I have full faith that the Indians will work hard and come up with appropriate counter plan. The competition is still alive, very much so. Kiwis can not be expected to perform as good in every match.

  • on August 13, 2010, 7:15 GMT

    I'm very certain that in this tournament,the team winning the toss will go on to win the game as well.Its a very sad state....I hope I'll be proved wrong,but in most cases,it isn't going to happen,sadly.

  • vinayjayaram on August 13, 2010, 5:59 GMT

    Guys..To everyone who are a part of the India No.1 bashing,it is not necessary for a No.1 or No.2 team to win all the matches..Its how you play over a period of time which matter eventually and not one match..and it wrong to expect that every No.1 team to be as dominant as the 70s-80's WI and the 90-00 Australia..

  • alikhan224 on August 13, 2010, 4:35 GMT

    It is now the time for indians to wake up...ur so called best batting line up fell like a pack of cards infront of an ordinary bowling line up and now u guys have so many excuses...it must be better from now on that b4 passing comments on other teams,first look at ur own team's performance..we(pakistan) we beaten by england and aussies...u were beaten by SL and now NZ...but i will just say that keep these other four teams out and lets come face to face..its been almost 50 yrs that we have been playing each other and i bet that indians have not surpass the 50% success rate against pakistan in tests and ODIs.and i am 100% sure that indians will never ever surpass us in both formats.so why u ppl just boast so much about ur team...our much weaker looking side, both on paper and on ground,will always come strong at the indians and beat them..and whenever indian cricket team wins more tests and ODIs than us(which is impossible for atleast another 100yrs),only then call urself better than us.

  • on August 13, 2010, 4:16 GMT

    Replace Rohit -> Tewari Mithun-> Munaf Jadeja->Aswin Kartik->kohli

    If Yuvi fail this time, kick him out...he is not atall deserve a spot..ask to play atleast 10 domestic and with good score then select.

  • Jaggadaaku on August 13, 2010, 3:21 GMT

    @ rsurya, I don't know what is your problem. But Ravi Jadeja was the top scorer in Indian side in this match. He carries the batting average over 34 runs per match with strike rate of over 78.His average strike rate is better than the average strike rate of Dravid, Laxman, Rohit Sharma, Karthik, and Ganguly . Moreover he is a allrounder using his finger spin bowling, he has captured 26 wickets in 31 matches. He is one of the better alrounder in the world. Persons like you should spend some time and look at his profile before giving that kind of statements. The main culprits were Yuvi, Dhoni, Rohit, and Raina. I don't know why nobody is telling anything about them.

  • Jaggadaaku on August 13, 2010, 3:05 GMT

    In this match, Yuvraj proved that he is such a "Water Boy", and now he wouldn't mind if the Cricket World will call him a "Water Boy". Anyone have seen his batting in this match? Most of the balls, he was leaving without playing with the bat, and the rest of the balls he was playing with the soft hands, so ball stays around him. Like he is scared to hit the ball. I am not saying he has to hit every ball and send the ball to the boundary, but at-least try it. You guys had to chase down almost 300 runs in 50 overs, you just can't stay there and watch the opposition team. What a Shameful cricketer and the whole team.

  • Ameega on August 13, 2010, 2:35 GMT

    Well said "peeush85". Please Indian fans, do not put'em down to the earth when they loose a single match. They have the potential to bounce back and win the trophy. And one last thing, do not over estimate your team, in case they win the next game.

    Just imagine what we could see here, if had India scored 288 and kiwis had been thrashed to a mere 88... WE ARE NUMBER ONE... WE ARE NUMBER ONE... WE ARE NUMBER ONE... WE ARE NUMBER ONE...

  • champion1469 on August 13, 2010, 1:55 GMT

    jeez how about giving nz some credit? all the talk is how india failed, but nz outplayed them. 30 for 3 we werent entitled to be in the game, let alone win by 200 runs. the pitch only does so much, these guys are professionals. india cant complain about the flatness of the tracks in one game and then blame the wicket for being different (but still good) in another game. good work rosco and piggy!

  • RanjitW on August 13, 2010, 1:36 GMT

    Blame Jadeja!! He is the highest scorer in this match!

  • nikhildevdesai on August 13, 2010, 0:37 GMT

    Jadeja needs to go, he is useless, i don't even know how he is in the team, probably has connections to somehow high up in BCCI. I am tired of people saying DHONI is no good, remember he is playing in team INDIA. Stop criticizing him, he has the best average for ODI batsmen for last two years. It is sad though that we must rely on 36 year old Tendulkar still.

  • on August 12, 2010, 22:48 GMT

    India's strength is batting? Try second guessing it

  • SnowSnake on August 12, 2010, 20:11 GMT

    NZ was definately better team on the day, but NZ fans it is too early to say NZ is a great ODI team. NZ won because Indian batting was very bad. NZ bowling is not all that great. There was no pace in NZ bowling and NZ batting fared well only against Indian spinners. Personally, I see no difference between NZ fast bowling and Indian fast bowling, both in terms of quality and pace. The only difference was that NZ was intentionally bouncing the ball. Indian batsmen had to take chances due to high require run rate. The way India batted it reminded me on Pak. batting and any bowling attack would have looked superb-- NZ just happened to be the other team. I think we might still have a NZ-Ind. final with Ind. winning (I realize I am optimistic here).

  • on August 12, 2010, 19:11 GMT

    A Quick reminder : Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid hold the world record for the highest partnership in ODI matches when they scored 331 runs against New Zealand in 1999 at the LBS, Hyderabad.

  • Arjun_tendulkar on August 12, 2010, 16:49 GMT

    dhoni's downfall has started

  • on August 12, 2010, 16:20 GMT

    throw out ravindra jedeja , he useless right now, even dhoni too, uter luck captain, without senior players , dhoni is no good captain, it proved very clearly.

  • VPSrivastava on August 12, 2010, 16:05 GMT

    But why every times we fail to to read the writings on the wall. When Kivies knew that this pitch has extra bounce, what the hell has stopped us from reading the pitch and to be prepare for that short stuff. That too when every bodies knows.........what are our weaknesses.

  • Percy_Fender on August 12, 2010, 15:35 GMT

    I wish the many people here will realise that India is not the No 1 side either in 20/20 or in the 50 over game.They are only No 1 in Tests. Sangakara had questioned the ICC rankings after the runaway success Sri Lanka had in the first Test of the recent series between India and Sri Lanka. When India won the third Test that proud clarion call had turned into a whimper between the tail. India beat Sri Lanka fair and square despite losing the toss in the third test. I am sure they will go on to beat Australia at home and South Africa in South Africa as well soon after. That does not mean that they are the champions in the shorter formats of the game. I find it strange that people seem so chuffed because India have lost one game against New Zealand. I get the impression that because Pakistan is being rubbed on the ground in England, they are deriving some kicks at India's loss to New Zealand. It is crazy really.This form of fundamentalism.

  • on August 12, 2010, 15:33 GMT

    wins and losses are part of the game....losing is not a problem...every team loses....but getting trounced like this shows the current players lack of class and solidarity....the current players are all sloggers....they need atleast one solid batsman like dravid or laxman.... gud question by @ahmadtauquir....i dont understand why ravindra jadeja is given this much of chance...and kohli overlooked....some players despite the fact they are not that good are given too much chance like dinesh mongia,venugopal rao....some players despite being talented are given just one or two chances.... i mean players like reetinder singh sodhi

  • rsurya on August 12, 2010, 15:09 GMT

    IF RAVINDRA JADEJA WAS BORN IN AUSTRALIA, HE WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN SELECTED IN HIS SCHOOL TEAM EVEN. BUT UNFORTUNATE FOR INDIA....

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  • on August 12, 2010, 15:01 GMT

    Don't we all know that Indian batsmen can't bat on bouncy and pacy pitches? It is the same old story. If the next match is gonna be played on a flat track, India will score around 300 runs and the articles will again start praising the "best" middle order in the world, :)

  • aminuwan on August 12, 2010, 14:57 GMT

    why few indian guys sayin that this is their weaknd side n if sachin...etc were here the r much betr side << no 1 force india to send 2nd best team , bcci send this team n its INDIAN team >>

  • Choudhry1977 on August 12, 2010, 14:36 GMT

    Viewed all comments & my reaction as below. @Mr Bilal: Obviously u r driven by India-Pak political situation rather than cricket. so no comments. @Markworthy: Yes NZ are no.2. All the best and hope NZ do well. @Mayank Panwar: sachin & dravid are 37 now. what happens in 2 yrs time. so u need to look at the rohits/rainas/jadejas. @Pradeeshan Pathirana: what happens when u hv a ball pitched at good lenth at 137k's and it lift up to target ur neck. how will u tackle that.. have you ever..? @spinkingKK:yes only 2 pace bowlers, but u forget that mithun was the 3rd bowler who got retired aftr 4 overs. @Ahmad Uetian: sehwag is a gr8 player but we always feel he gave away his wicket when he gets out. but he is gr8+dominating..no doubt @Suresh Raji: sorry but jadeja is ur safest bet for an allrounder position; Irfan- does any1 knw how he has been hit around in domstic matches by unknown batsmen. @Kamal Gairola: shame in losing .. why? its a game n u hv to learn from ur mistakes

  • klobania on August 12, 2010, 13:56 GMT

    @hindh88 think before comment here mainly if u r pointing out some fans here, first of all let me clear that i m not pakistani or its fan say watever u want to abt pakistan i damn care abt it. i shared my idea and that is wat i think. i still believe that indians are far below in its rankings that wat it thinks about and also i believe pak is far much better team than india as far as they are not over hyped. if u still believe so then wait till india will be knocked out at first stage in world cup 2011 then we will have our sayings

  • Nampally on August 12, 2010, 13:18 GMT

    Jadeja is another over rated guy by Dhomi who included as an all rounder along side Yuvraj. Jadeja plays mainly as a batsman at the expense of excellent bat & fielder like Kohli. Jadeja bowled 9 overs for 63 runs which is almost the Indian total of 74 runs. Dhoni has excelled in excuses for the sub level performances.He bungles up the bowling changes as he did in this very game by changing Nehra & Kumar when they were in full flight.Poor tactics of Dhoni as a captain, his bowling changes,consistent Losses of Toss & poor team selection from the available squad. Sehwag or even a younger guy like Raina or Kohli should be groomed. the sooner the better.M.Karthik & Ashwin as spinners must be given top priority. While focussing on Unadkat & H.Singh to support Ishant & Nehra. Zaheer & Harbhajan are no longer the bowlers they were. India must move forward with new talent. Mukund, Pujara, Tiwary, Dhawan, Rehane are other batsmen knocking on the door.The Selectors have decisions to make.

  • leggully on August 12, 2010, 12:36 GMT

    I feel that selection of final eleven is at fault. What have selectors achieved by dropping Yuvraj for a Asia Cup and then bringing him back for a test series and tri-series.? Having Karthik as a opener is baffling as the guy doesn't even open for his domestic team Tamil Nadu, better bet would always be Naman Ojha who is a natural opener as well as a reserve wicketkeeper.With Uthappa back afta injury, he can also be tried. Ashwin is one of the best offie in domestic circuit and he isn't a bunny either with bat. He can easily be tried out instead of Jadeja as three left-arm spinners are of no use in one Eleven. Saurabh Tiwary impressed one and all in IPL and also batted superbly in last Ranji season, and I don't think getting a slot in middle order for him is tough under present circumstances. Though FTP has cme under deserved criticism for a lot of matches in Sri Lanka. I Personally feel this is a blessing in disguise as our team might end up playing semi-finals of WC in dat country

  • on August 12, 2010, 12:35 GMT

    I think that our team is missing the senior players like sachin, rahul, saurav, VVS, moreover i agree with my friends comments that what ravi jadeja is doing in the team, we have three part time spinners in the form of sehwag, yuvi and raina then why he is playing i dont find any reason for his place in the Indian team while at this crucial time when WC is coming. This will drop the indian team morale. WAKE UP selectors/Indian team WAKE UP!

  • Guruprasad28 on August 12, 2010, 12:20 GMT

    I would request team cricinfo to take all these comments to the team, the selectors and the administration (BCCI)... It would be a great deed done by u ppl

  • futurecric on August 12, 2010, 11:43 GMT

    Obviously, Indian batsmen are not good enough to face quality pace bowling, especially the youngsters. However, do not go by this result, as I rarely remeber any team batting second winning in Srilanka. Let us see what happens after a few more matches and more importantly "tosses".

  • on August 12, 2010, 11:28 GMT

    First of all the indian should stop playing against srilanka and in sub continent pitches,They are just playing around the sub-continent pitches for the number 1 position which,but that 's not them...B'cas india are always short of good bowlers and lot of great batsman..REASON - That's the lifeless pitches in the sub continent which makes great batsman but no world class bowler's also even india cant produce a spinner ...so the harbhajan is still in the team even if he doesnt take any wickets for long time....

  • on August 12, 2010, 11:06 GMT

    I feel Indian team is playing too much of cricket. Sometime looks like 365 days of year they just have cricket on their mind. There must be some space for the players. National team should have more players and they must be rotated in different series. I am tired of seeing Dhonis, Sehwags...and a bunch of few other players. They are also human being. They also need vacation and a gap. We are expecting too much from them. Further, they are most experienced persons, and we should not just throw our suggestions. Also, we must admit that this team is doing much better than any other team in the world. Under such a pressure, not any other team can earn so much reputation. I hats off to this team. Now onus must go on to the management, to come up with a better plan. It should be a valid case for HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. What so ever, I love my team. Games are to win or loose. So, I just enjoy it. JAI HO.

  • ahmadtauquir on August 12, 2010, 11:01 GMT

    hmmmmmmm..........heheh..........India Team ....as always.........Intermittent.........

  • AvidCricFan on August 12, 2010, 10:59 GMT

    This is a poor show by India by all means. There should be no excuse. NZ scored 288 on the same wicket. There were no demons in the pitch. It only shows that the batting minus few seniors is iffy. Also, Shewag needs to made an adjustment as if he is playing in test. For some reason, he is not as menacing in ODIs as he is in test.

  • ahmadtauquir on August 12, 2010, 10:54 GMT

    I agree with most of our frnds comment....here is some questions in my mind.. 1. How do the selectors select the team.....i mean on which base.....talent, region, community or the best frnds of captain Dhoni.......? If they are fair enough, then why do they not select Irfan Pathan, Pujara, and lots of talented player out there. 2. Why the Ravinder Jadeja in playing 11 and Kohli far better player than him is sitting on the bench? Lots of these type of question is poping in my mind.........but i dont know who will reply .....n to whome i can ask........ Anyway........I wish "BEST OF LUCK" for remaining game........

  • Navin84 on August 12, 2010, 10:22 GMT

    Attention! Attention! Attention! India's batting secret is out by no other than their so called "captain cool". No guesses as to what SL would do in the next match and what other teams would do when they play India in the future. It's not the first time this has happen to them and will continue to happen again, unless they take Sir Viv who needs some cash and was an expert in the short ball that the WI were famous for!

  • ANSELM on August 12, 2010, 10:18 GMT

    First people used to say that Ganguly the X- captian of India cannot play the short stuff ball and should be kept out. Now the top order batsman are struggling with the short ball from the 2010 Worldcup till now. What say now for the team

  • srinathb on August 12, 2010, 9:58 GMT

    Now I have completely lost faith in this team.I don't think the Selectors or The captain will ever try to figure out some promising young talents like Aamir,Morgan,Warner at the WC2011.This depleted Indian team needs Match winners,not the ones who play for Stats.

  • punshetty on August 12, 2010, 9:52 GMT

    I don't understand wat's the use of having Jaddu in final 11, I think Irfan Patan should have given one chance before 2011WC.This tri series was last chance to give him a chance.Compared to jaddu patan is a better all-rounder.

  • Leocap on August 12, 2010, 9:33 GMT

    These are interesting comments and there is something in every comment. It was certainly an off day for India as we folded up meekly. However, it was amusing to read comments about a soft pitch and the bowlers not giving any room for the batsmen; is not that the role of a bowler to keep the batsman under check and get him out? Is not that the role of the bastman to outwit the bowler and score runs? If not how did New Zealand score that much in the first place? Coming up with alibis is one thing and ruefully thinking about what has gone wrong and take remedial steps is another. When and if India does better in the remaining matches, how much will that go to the soft pitch? We lack foot work and focus. Playing fast bowling needs that in good measure. Frank analysis and taking corrective steps are hallmarks of professionalish. I hope our cricketers do not lose out on that fearing loss of ad revenue. R.Radhakrishnan

  • Choudhry1977 on August 12, 2010, 9:18 GMT

    Surprised, why's there so much talks challenging India's test rating as no 1. Agree that India is not as dominating NO.1 side as their predessors (Australia), but i hope people understand that the ratings are earned by a team in ICC rankings based on their performances in the last 3 years. Also think all these talks of India not able to play on bouncy tracks is a trash. Many batsmen are new who still need to get exposure on bouncy pitches in SA / Australia. It's more of a matter of adapting from playing on a dead/flat tracks to bouncy tracks, and indian team'ss hectic schedule (i.e., BCCI greed) will make that impossible. Let me remind you that these same batsmen won India the T20 (inaugral) WC in South Africa when they were hardly exposed to T20 cricket and India was even among the top 3 contenders. Not to mention test matches won in S.A./Australia (Perth)/ etc. Even Australia was all out for less than 100 so does that mean Australian batsmen cannot play good fast bowling?Nonsense

  • peeush85 on August 12, 2010, 9:09 GMT

    For heavens sake..This is the same team who has entertained us for quite some time now. We all have our bad times .. lets not start cursing them for one defeat.. This is India's biggest problem.. All other countries's teams receive support even in their worst defeat .. but we start behaving like illiterate individuals and start blaming the team as if they wanted to lose.. Guys after all its a game.. 99% of us dont know how to even hold a bat properly..Who are we to even comment how they play.. Just watch the game and enjoy !

  • MasterClass on August 12, 2010, 8:30 GMT

    Wow! India are knocked down like king pins and the fickle indian fan no less is slashing the team to bits. How soon we forget the magnificent victory in Colombo. This match and series (a pretty inconsequential one for sure) began only a day after the test series finished. Half the team flew via helicopter to Dambulla the day before. So what do you expect? I almost hope they did it on purpose to spite the BCCI for arranging such a horrendous schedule!! I bet India ends up winning the series. As I said before, we start slow (usually losing the first match) and finish strong. Most other teams are the reverse and I'd much rather have the former, although having a sane schedule is even more necessary.

  • on August 12, 2010, 8:26 GMT

    Every one is talking like India are number one in One dayers ,Get the record straight India are Number one in Test Cricket and our test team is totally different from one day team.Regarding this tournament the teams which wins the toss most in league stages will play the final and the team which wins the toss in the final wins the tournament so just watch the toss .

  • JustIPL on August 12, 2010, 8:25 GMT

    India is still the best team around. It is just rotating the players that impacts performance. Players like tendulkar, laxman, dravid should be part of team in every format. Just because they are great and can inspire more youngsters before they fade away. In the test series the same happened that Indian batting started clickiing towards the end as the players got going. The same will happen in this tri series now. Let's see. A team should continuously be maintained to bring to the fore the bench strength. In short, India should make less changes while switching b/w the formats and Parveen kumar should also play tests now.

  • on August 12, 2010, 8:24 GMT

    I am sure sri lanka will win this tri-series. there bawling attack is very very interesting.

  • on August 12, 2010, 8:09 GMT

    its a shame on indian cricketers.........

  • Kalyan794 on August 12, 2010, 8:04 GMT

    @Crugo..Man,i don't agree with you say that Indians cant play fast bowling,they r among the best.

    Secondly coming to their performance in the last game i think the team dint gel together.Hopefully we'll see a much better performance in the coming games.

  • cartier on August 12, 2010, 8:04 GMT

    One bad performance by India and everyone is crucifying them. India will bounce back. I am not India

  • NZisbetathnEnglnd on August 12, 2010, 7:54 GMT

    Fantastic! I love how indian cricket fans are quick to dismiss the fact that NZ were and are the better team in ODI's. Our line up is full of allrounders and the absence of Vettori, Ryder, and Mccullum proves that at the very least worthy of international respect. We have won proportionally more odi's against aussie than any other team. Why ditch ODI's, tests although strategic should be dumped. they are unmarketable and only the big teams draw crowds. (india, ausie, england). Let the ODI become the new test match and cricket will benefit from this. Plus New Zealand.

  • super-innocent on August 12, 2010, 7:41 GMT

    india just wasnt good enough thats why they lost no need for excuses (indian fans). the kiwis were by far the better team.

  • MananWad on August 12, 2010, 7:37 GMT

    Come on guys, in this tournament what is going to happen is win the toss and win the match. Mark my words and I will stop writing comments forever if this series see a single game that is won by a team batting second.

  • on August 12, 2010, 7:30 GMT

    Ravindra Jadeja batsman??... lol

  • Hindh on August 12, 2010, 7:19 GMT

    If india dont deserve No 1 rank then what about Pakistan they dont deserve even No 9 rank. LOL for all the Pak fans venting out their frustrations here. @ klobania look at ur team who r getting thrashed in eng before u talk of India. At this same dambulla india batted second against so called great bowling of Pak and chased down 268, where were ur comments then just dont blindly hate anybody.

  • Jaggadaaku on August 12, 2010, 7:13 GMT

    @ Naga Saravan Golla, I know you are an hardcore supporter of Indian team, but "Yaar Itna bhi mat sar pe chadhao ki woh tumhare sar pe baithker ta ta thaiya karne lage". The bottom line is they played like Canadian team is playing against Australia. When you see there will be no victory in this match, but you must at-least try it. No-body even tried it. Remember, in Indian History, when Rajputs were finding there was no victory in the battle, they were going for the "KESARIYA"-KARO YA MARO and fighting until death instead throwing swords and surrender. If they were being out giving a catch on boundary, I wouldn't have any problem. But on the other hand most of them given a catch on the sleep cordon. It called suicide/forfeit (Jouhar-Rajputanis were doing that). The batsman, who has hit 6 sixes in just one over, was playing like football player is playing cricket. These Indian cricketers are only good for selling products in India.

  • tahaazeem on August 12, 2010, 7:08 GMT

    exteremly sorry to corect you mr. BILAL SHAH PAKISTAN'S .........LOWEST TOTAL IN CURRENT SERIES IS ISN'T 88 NOW THIS HAD BEEN REPLACED BY 72

  • on August 12, 2010, 6:59 GMT

    A best batsman one who plays in all conditions .If you cannot play in all conditions then you should not consider as best.I was very upset to see our batsmen falling like cards.Commercials are involved but it should be allowed to touch standard of cricket.Look Aus they are always trying to improve there game But our guys always try to stick to the team not game(yuraj,ishant etc...)

  • god4cric on August 12, 2010, 6:43 GMT

    Lets not keep lamabasting the India's performance, Dhoni has accepted they could not adopt to the pitch, I dont see any complain on the pitch. In this series we are missing gambhir and Tendulkar, offcourse and always fast bowlers. Lets see how the series progress and see if NZ can oversome SL pace ans spin attack, most of the mouths would shut by that time.

  • s.p_sameer on August 12, 2010, 6:42 GMT

    Its strange how all the pakistanis commenting and saying "Nice to see that its not only Pakistan who can be all out for 80 odd runs. Ha Ha" well our performance was very bad but i dont think we'll sink down to pakistans level yet.

  • sankar800 on August 12, 2010, 6:35 GMT

    @ Vivek Dahiya If you don't know cricket, Pl dont comment. Sehwag can handle any swing bowling and he can score in any kind of pitch. He had scored centuries in australia, South africa and in England.

  • on August 12, 2010, 6:33 GMT

    It was all about the attitude of the indians on Monday. The kind of aggression they showed during the T20WC2007 and the CB series in Australia seems to have faded. Also, the Indian team seemed to have been very complacent of beating the black caps, considering the so called "weak batting line up", which was also pointed by the Indian media.

  • karuvachi on August 12, 2010, 6:32 GMT

    This is what I see mostly: ------------------------------

    loss situation: Fans will jump up and down and propose a new team. Dhoni finds an excuse.

    win situation: all fans including dhoni boast.

    dhoni, all you need is another win to keep all these fans quiet for some time, they will forget dambulla in seconds.

  • gettosreejith on August 12, 2010, 6:27 GMT

    I don't know what the BCCI is achieving by resting the seniors, especially Sachin. He is the only player who can adapt to the conditions and atleast give a fight back to the opponents. Also we have tested our bench strength in the Zimbabwe tour and made clear that the future is not so bright. Playing the seniors will atleast help us from being disgraced in front of the world. A 200 run lose in an ODI is really a disgrace for a top ranked team, with the likes of Sehwag, Raina, Yuvraj and Dhoni.

  • on August 12, 2010, 6:24 GMT

    why cant dhoni accept the good bowling of newzelend bowlers..evry day when macth lost the macth blame on pitch or light or toss..remember last asia cup sri lanka won the macth befor the final and they batted @ night ..

  • Rhododendron on August 12, 2010, 6:20 GMT

    @naga saravan golla: i have no idea sir, for what part of your life you held a cricket bat, but that hardly is a reason to thrash "most of us" who comment. The issue here is not ONE defeat, but the regularity with which the batting has come undone whenever the pitch had something in it for the faster bowlers... be it bounce, be it seam movement. and as for people not having the moral right to comment since they never held a cricket bat, it speaks of the same puffed up ego as exhibited by most of our current generation of Indian cricketers. People like Yuvraj Singh still average less in ODIs (forget Tests) than the likes of a Jadeja, and yet have the audacity to order spectators off the field for for taunting him! Wonder how even the prolonged company of the Sachins and the Dravids and the Laxmans fail to rub a little bit of humility off into their bloated brains.

  • DBVFan on August 12, 2010, 6:19 GMT

    The Indian ODI side is and will be a source of embarrassment for the nation for the foreseeable future. The downturn started when they threw the likes of Laxman and Dravid out of the ODI side. The rest can score only when a bowler gives them overpitched lollipops. If they want a consistent ODI team, they need to get rid of Rohit/Yuvraj and bring back Dravid/Laxman. At the same time, they need to groom the likes of Sachin/Dravid/Laxman in the domestic circuit. However I don't see that happening given the advent of IPL. Give it another 3/4 years, India would become the laughingstock of Cricketing World in all formats of the game (when the big three retire from the Test side). Irrespective of whether one thinks they deserve the #1 test ranking, one must admit that they are a lot more consistent in that format than the two shorter versions.

  • on August 12, 2010, 6:19 GMT

    I cannot agree more with naga saravan golla. I have full faith in dhoni and i am sure we will win the cup and about the pitch, it was not an easy pitch by any means but yes India should have performed better.

  • deolvirgo on August 12, 2010, 6:09 GMT

    I agree with a comment by a New Zealand commentator during the match ''A Bunch of talented cricketers (New Zealand) playing against Millionaires (India)''

  • mail2sandy42 on August 12, 2010, 6:05 GMT

    I still fail to understand what Ravindra Jadeja & Rohit Sharma doing in the team. Virat has done so well for the team. And Ashwin showed good sings of a proper allrounder. Dhoni is either too creative in his thinking or has some soft corners towards those non performers. I dont think the word "strategy" is as complicated as it sounds when used by Indian team. These set of players are just incapable of making right decisions and the power of viewership has got to them.

  • on August 12, 2010, 6:00 GMT

    "You can't really drive off the backfoot, the only option is to cut and pull, and if the bowler doesn't give room, it is very difficult to score." Im sorry Dhoni, I was under the impression you were professional, experienced cricketers! Obviously I was mistaken.

    What will he be blaming when all his star players retire after the next world cup?? Get real mate. Adapt your game to the conditions!

  • khalith on August 12, 2010, 5:58 GMT

    come on MS once again u blame d pitch where u won Asia cup stop saying funny & frustrating excuses it hurts d fans obviously v d same guys who praise wen u win losing a match is not an issue matter is abt d way u played ur beautiful interview let me know how long u guys r in trouble wit short balls & wat step u have taken, any special practice ? remember if u guys dont learn to play short bal soon den u'l b crushed in WC in ur home pitch like d last match & gauhati match against aussies & pls be awake wen u pick players for a series coz there is no any alrounder in our team like anjelo mathews, cameron white, kallis or afridi and etc..... i dont know y u play jadeja in team could u tel wat is his role in team & give chance to irfan pathan who is more experienced & talented than yousuf

  • Sach_is_Life on August 12, 2010, 5:51 GMT

    hahahahah...one bad loss ..and all the guns r out...cool..some of them don't even realize the difference between Tests and ODIs..Great..India is Number One in Tests not in ODIs..and everyone knows that its bcaz of their Senior batsmen..But who cares..we dont care..but atleast cant we wait till the Indians r knocked out of the Tournament ..Na...we cant..bcaz we know...they r gonna bounce back..So...Its ur day..and we'll wait 4 ours..and BTW, we're still better than Aussies who got all out for same score in a TEST MATCH ..lol..!

  • on August 12, 2010, 5:35 GMT

    i think i need to remind you all that this is the DUMBULLA pitch..... Just wait and watch the whole series. If the team batting first gets past 230 then there is very lil chance if any to chase it down. Yes, team INDIA did not bat well and all of a sudden this drama..!!! Ofcourse team INDIA is not the best but way better then SL and NZ. And mind you, Zahir, Bhajji, Sachin and Gambhir are not playing, yet they will go on to win the series. You give INDIA a solid punch in the begining(more like a wake up call) and there is no stopping. Recent history can justify this fact.

  • Joemoneee on August 12, 2010, 5:28 GMT

    Wonder how Jadeja managed to get a place in the team. While Jadeja and Ishant do nothing big for the team, it's always the Pathan brothers who get the boot.

  • on August 12, 2010, 5:16 GMT

    dhoni is very bad at making excuses !!!

  • Percy_Fender on August 12, 2010, 4:46 GMT

    Quite apart from the fact that India simply stands no chance to win the World Cup, I wish they would play day matches only if the real winners have to emerge at the big event. The toss just seems to become too relevant in day and night matches at least in the sub-continent if not elsewhere as well.Dhoni has this habit of giving long winded explanations which is what seems to be getting him into trouble with many readers. I wish he would be short and clear. While spongy bounce may have been an expression to describe the behaviour of the ball for whatever reason, it is a tribute to the New Zealand bowlers that they managed to do so well despite coming and playing in the stifling heat.Let us just applaud them. I have a feeling that New Zealand could be a front runner for the World Cup if they are at full strength.

  • sportzdreamer92 on August 12, 2010, 4:29 GMT

    wait till pakistan faces India. Theyre used to such difficult conditions that they will succeed in indian pitches. All of india wouldnt be able to face anderson in swinging conditions

  • sportzdreamer92 on August 12, 2010, 4:27 GMT

    Wait till India comes to England... They will have the same fate maybe even worse than Pakistan. Pakistan will dominate in subcontinent conditions cuz they are used to the worst bowling conditions. India was 88 all out on a decent pitch, Pakistan would have one easily

  • ultimatefan on August 12, 2010, 4:26 GMT

    Hey Guyz,

    Team India is no.1, there is no denying that. The only problem is that they are not consistent and are unpredictable on any given day. "Will they fold or will they fire?" is the million dollar question that keeps me glued to the match every time they take the field..!

  • the_blue_android on August 12, 2010, 3:12 GMT

    To all the people who are making their own deductions from what MS said, I have a message for you. Please wait till Cricinfo starts a new version in your local language since many of you do not understand simple English. MS said the reason why Indian batsmen could not play is because of the spongy bounce. He never said nobody (or NZ) can bat on this track or it's difficult for everyone to bat on the track. So all you people who are asking how did NZ score on the same track, did the wicket change during the innings break, your arguments are all flawed since MS never talked about whether or not NZ can play on this wicket or not. Obviously NZ played well and scored 288 so that itself proves that NZ were able to do but Indians were not.

  • zxaar on August 12, 2010, 3:09 GMT

    "I think whoever team plays against india should play some 5 - 6 genuine fast ballers and make fun of the INDIAN so called batting giants................... I cannot figure out why all the cricketing teams don't opt for 5 fast baller strategy against India.." ---------------------- yet pakistan has yet to win odi against indian in world cup matches. With their so called best bowling attack.

  • Hindh on August 12, 2010, 2:59 GMT

    whether ppl like it or not india are the best team simply because they have won more matches, when india wins these people commenting anti india wont turn up, but when it loses a one off match they come forgetting how their teams are getting thrashed in england day in and day out.get a life all u people.

  • the_blue_android on August 12, 2010, 2:57 GMT

    I see that the lankans are out in full force today. Let's wait till the finals and then we will see how many of these guys will post ;).

  • hungryjack on August 12, 2010, 2:52 GMT

    Good excuse Dhoni... I wonder where is Irfan Pathan? Whether Ravidra Jadeja is better than Irfan? Also I wonder y Robin Utappa hasn't been selected?

    However better luck next time. We (Indians) are always with Team India. But dont give silly excuses. Even if you loose, no problem. But give a tough fight not silly excuses....

  • jk2010 on August 12, 2010, 2:36 GMT

    People, please give team India a break! They just came off an intense test match with Sri Lanka, which they won. They did not even have time to adjust to the conditions in Dambulla (they took a chopper to get there on time). This tournament is meaningless anyway (they won the Asia cup at the same venue after-all, and brushed aside a full strength Pakistani fast bowling team in the process), and it is very likely that they will win this tournament too, all said and done. As for those of you jealous of India's No 1 test status, consider this. They have not lost the last 8 series, home and abroad. They have won tests everywhere they have played abroad including in fast bouncy pitches. This is not a killer record, like say, Llyod's WI or Waugh's Oz, but it is a promising start, and they have a lot of youngsters coming through and slotting in -- see Raina's performance in the tests. And don't forget the amount of money India in investing abroad, including in SL and world cricket.

  • vedanthy2 on August 12, 2010, 1:57 GMT

    Mr.Dhoni,remember that you are the captain of NO.1 team and you boast of Better battng line up than any other team.Learn to give credit to the performers of the day and accept your weakness and failure.I dare say none of you can bat on uncovered pitches without protection.So be practical.You guys are pampered too much. Get the likes pf Yuvraj out. Get genuine talent into the team and build.If you do not know ask Mr.R.B.Simpson,and Mr A.R,Border.They never talked .They Performed.Mr. Dhoni please note.

  • on August 12, 2010, 1:50 GMT

    I´m really loving this, not so much that India were folded out for 88, because that can happen to any time on any day. Thats just cricket. The fact i´m loving is, that all the threatening and abusive private messages im getting on my Facebook, from angry Indian fans, over my earlier comment on Cricinfo. I must have said something which has hit the emotions. My only advise to those is, DEAL WITH IT. By cursing at somebody, your team wont get any better, only you will disgrace yourself even more. Long Live Dead Pitches :)

  • cricxpert89 on August 12, 2010, 1:29 GMT

    @AnthoniJi Bouncy wickets are not neccessary for a team like india to get bowledout on such low total. they have no mentionable bowling and there batting line up is too old to carry a bat . Mummy o mummy

  • PandyaHimanshu on August 12, 2010, 1:12 GMT

    What a Joke CRUGO? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY FAST BOWLEER? Let me clarify you that during the test series against SL recently Ishant Sharma was constantly reaching 140km/hr mark. We lose one game badly and people think we are not good enough. C'mon people then what will you tell Australia for getting out on 88 against Pakistain (in Test match)? OR SA getting all out for 80 odds......Don't rate any team/member only based upon one bad performance. We all have a bad days in the office and the same applies to anyone in the world, and not only team India. For the people who don't know please note that Nehra is not willing to play in Test matches due to fitness issue. So think twice before blaming anyone......... series is not finished yet. keep watching.........

  • Trimurthy on August 12, 2010, 1:10 GMT

    Don't go by age but go by talent.

    Take VVS in next world cup, he will prove his worth. He has been treated badly by previous selectors. He will be best fit at No.3 in ODIs.

    It is a challenge from my side.

  • on August 12, 2010, 1:10 GMT

    On last tour of NZ it was only Sehwag who scored from India in their NZ ODI series scoring 2 centuries when everyone else failed ........On last tour of SL also when all other Indian batting giants totally failed against MENDIS. Sehwag scored double Hundered against him.........

    Sehwag is India's current greatest asset as Tendulkar was earlier

  • on August 12, 2010, 1:04 GMT

    How can people forget this http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64818.html and many more such knocks by Sehwag on lively pitches and in crucial mathes like in WC 2003 final it was only Sehwag v AUS Scoring 80 at over run a ball...............Also he made 100 on Test debt in SA.........He scored 2 100s in AUS in Tests.............He was the only one to stand against Mendis scoring 200 when the rest of whole team scored only 150.......and in latest test vs SL on lively pitch it was Sehwag who scored 100 in 1st inn but everybody will remember Laxman 100 on that pitch......

  • Someone143 on August 12, 2010, 1:02 GMT

    okay like seriously india looses one match why you making such a big deal we were worstttttttt now we are one of the best team in the world yea india has a weakness against the short ball but every team has a bad day today was one i know india will bounce back when we do lets see where you guys comment ms dhoni is the best man to lead india better then dravid atleasttttttttttttttttttt what did dravid do in test that you guys are saying so much about him for god sake dravid was good now he has come over age. A suggestion remove dinesh karthik if that guy opens obviously we will have a bad time he isnt even agressive surabh tiwary and virat kohli needs a chance

  • cric4zh on August 12, 2010, 0:13 GMT

    looking forroward 4 WC 2011 in Asia, wht type of pitch they will make........specially in India.

  • glospir on August 11, 2010, 23:42 GMT

    Well it seems pretty obvious from the recent comments (de Silva, Shah et al) that there is plain old resentment and jealousy at the Indian number one ranking, the living legend the country has produced, the resounding success of the I(ndian)PL (plus the fact that our great north western neighbors were ignored for the event) and the general power held by the BCCI. Srilankans and Pakistanis seem to be waiting for a chance to pounce on and trash the Men in Blue when they falter the slightest. There is no need to repeat this but the Teams's success under MSD has been resounding and there for all to see. The Srilankans atleast seems to be doing ok (on their home grounds!) but I find it ridiculous seeing disparaging comments from Pakistani supporters!

  • getgopi on August 11, 2010, 23:42 GMT

    Spongy bounce? Its a ball. Just hit it. The kiwis did.

  • Chris_P on August 11, 2010, 23:33 GMT

    Come on MS, it was a track NZ batted on as well. Maybe if they also got shot out for a low score, then you'd have been justified to complain about the pitch. Just admit your team came up short on the day & you'll take away the learnings of your failiures to work on them. And those reasons to why your batsmen couldn't score! You have got to be joking, surely, it had to have been a gee-up, no one could be that stupid to believe what you said. As for the result, well, this is just another meaningless one day tournament that means nothing in the overall scheme of things. The World Cup, the Champions trophy and very few others are worth worrying about, all these other are just money making ventures that players seemingly go through the motions. I don't worry too much about the results whether the Aussies are playing or not. and neither should other country's supporters. This is basically trying to test out possibllities for future long term additions for the tournaments that matter.

  • ToTellUTheTruth on August 11, 2010, 23:09 GMT

    Aaah!! There they are. Our beloved SL fans. One loss by India, and they forget the pasting they received last week, they slither out of their holes, commenting on India's rank (though the test rank has nothing to do with ODI's) etc.

    SL Fans, please remember that this was the same venue where India kicked the useless SL team in Asia Cup finals. So, before you go on singing loud with that reason less voice of yours, practice humming.

    Finally, who really cares about the results of another useless tri-tourney anyway? The fact is that BCCI did a huge favor for their brother (read "SL Cricket board, PCB...et al.) by "granting" another of those numerous (and nonsensical) ODI tournament, for the vote to get rid of Howard's nomination. Why else would they make the players play in a test series and this useless ODI tournament, out of the approved FTP of ICC?

  • Sageleaf on August 11, 2010, 21:43 GMT

    Folks I hope some of you would have read my comments just after the Asia cup Final. It's just that who ever win the toss should bat first in Dambulla. There is nothing special or great talent in the present Indian limited over team. So New Zealand won the toss and battered first and India just could not even muster 100 runs. But I think Sri Lanka as a team gave a great fight in the final of Asia cup. The difference was Nehra bowled under lights with accuracy on a bouncy wicket. Any good fast bowler could do that under lights in Dambulla. M.S. please don't give excuses, I doubt you would have said anything had your team battered first. The real team effort and to find the best team only could be seen if you play a day time limited over game. Well, even Premadasa stadium in Colombo has the same issue.

  • cric-procrastinator on August 11, 2010, 21:18 GMT

    @Geethike Dinith De Silva

    the "joker" seems to be sri lanka, they lost to the "joke" inspite of winning the toss, and India playing with a depleted team missing the service of 4 playes. If you cant even with against a "joke" depleted team at home having won the toss than who is the joker, i will leave that to you

    Geethike Dinith De Silva on (August 11 2010, 18:37 PM GMT) "The" joke of the cricketing history just got funnier!

  • cric-procrastinator on August 11, 2010, 21:14 GMT

    Sri lankan loss to India in the last test seems to have rattled the sri lankans, they are here in full swing to cry there hearts out. The unfortunate reality of cricket in Sri Lanka is that who ever wins the toss has the upper hand and this becomes worse when it is a day night encounter. Sri lanka should seriously consider playing just day matches and forget about those fancy lights. The fact is, the excuser-in-chief and his deputy sangakarra and mahela had complained that they were the superior team (what else can he say other than that) but lost to India in the asia cup final because they lost the toss and had to bat second under lights. What made indias victory against sri lanka in the third test so special was that they won inspite of losing the toss and batting last on the crumbling wicket. unless this issue is addressed before the world cup the matches played in sri lanka would become a farse with who ever winning the toss already having an 80% chance of winning the match.

  • on August 11, 2010, 20:23 GMT

    do not blame pakistan any more if indians fall down like that.....at least we have you team which is strugling to get in rydham .....sorry for indian fan

  • on August 11, 2010, 20:20 GMT

    judging judging.... Up and downs are common... just enjoy the game...

    Indian cant beat Canda also in cricket.... does it make you happy? It wont make me feel any bad.... lol

  • vikram_roy on August 11, 2010, 20:03 GMT

    Any bets on India winning this triseries ? I thought we won the Asia cup just a while back on these same grounds so no reason why we cant win again . And India is no. 2 in the odi rankings and not no. 1 . Therefore it can afford to lose 1 match :)

  • sanjeevmukherjee2006 on August 11, 2010, 20:02 GMT

    This is for all pakistani and sri lankan fans, i will start from SL, friends your team hasnt won a test in india, sa and australia, so eat a humble pie, also india has won last 4 odi series in SL dont forget that fact, also at Dambulla it is very hard to chase case in point the finals where sl faltered in the finals also we have won Asia Cup defeating pakistan and SL so shzzz be quiet, for pak fans we all know how good ur team is getting out for 88 and 72 in tests ur team is such a weak team that english counties can defeat pakistan, umar gul the highest run scorer in tests for pak what a joke!!!

  • nivek123 on August 11, 2010, 19:57 GMT

    @luvpakcricket what are you talking about. Indian batsmen are miles ahead of your pathetic batsmen anyway. and sachin did not play this match . we are seeing how your pathetic excuses called "batsmen" getting blown away like school children by the england bowlers. even club bowlers can blow your so called "batting Lineup" away. so i think u should mind ur own teams business and not vent your frustrations in an indian teams article cheers.

  • satotheend on August 11, 2010, 19:49 GMT

    Some Indian fans are the most hypocritical of all.... Guys.... listen carefully.... India is a BAD cricket team who struggles against decent fast-medium bowling in any condition. If I were you I would start praying for Sehwag to play until he is 60 years old. He is a great batsman together with SRT but the rest of your team is USELESS!! And to the guy saying that India play better in England, Australia and NZ.... Please think again... Your boys were exposed to the short ball AGAIN...AND AGAIN!! Just think what would have happened if you were up against a Pakistan bowling side last night... Asif, Aamer and OMG... Akhtar if he could play! I bet you're praying foreven ONE of those guys because let me give you a piece of information. Your bowling is the WORST bowling outfit in world cricket!! Stop blaming the pitch and start blaming the players!

  • sachin_vvsfan on August 11, 2010, 19:42 GMT

    I AM LOVING IT. Many PAK/SLfans now compare india with bangladesh, ireland bermuda and say we dont deserve to be no 1. I (like many indians) never gave a damn about the rankings, But after watching these furious comments i have to say this. First we never bribed ICC to become #1. They devised a ranking system based on some maths (which murali himself has acknowledged as fair)and we fared better than other sides. Now if you complain about using the home advantage why don't you just do the same? Why don't you invite other cricket playing nations and use your home advantage. Now for the ODI series i am sure india will bounce back. After all how many sides have beaten srilanka and Aus (VB) in ODI series in their own backyard? @koblania i already thanked you for your valuable suggestions for india in other forum. If the same logic is applied to pakistan im afraid we wont see the likes of AMIR for atleast 3-4 years.Keep the comments/suggestions coming:)

  • on August 11, 2010, 18:37 GMT

    "The" joke of the cricketing history just got funnier!

  • rezmata on August 11, 2010, 17:10 GMT

    Dhoni is officially now India's best stand-up comedian. Gosh I'd love to be in these press conferences!! I'd rate it better than a Russel Peters show!

  • Crugo on August 11, 2010, 16:54 GMT

    Who says India is the best!!!! India is favored throughout the cricketing world just for the money indian cricket generates. Had Bangladesh or Zimbabwe encountered a similar "thrashing" loss, indians would have (as always had) jumped into air crying for relegating those teams to a 2nd tier system. Fact is, India has never been or will never be the best; they could never produce a genuine fast bowler and their batsmen don't know how to face genuine fast bowling.

  • on August 11, 2010, 16:48 GMT

    Its about time that Indian supporters should realise that Indian team is NOT number 1. they dont have what it takes to be number one. Take out Sachin, Dravid and Laxman, off the team, and thats what you get. A spineless batting order, folding for pathetic 88 all out. even Sehwag is only good at lifeless sub - continental pitches. Nice to see that its not only Pakistan who can be all out for 80 odd runs. Ha Ha

  • on August 11, 2010, 16:31 GMT

    "If the bowler doesn't give room, then it is difficult to score" Isn't that the whole point of cricket, MS?

    It just shows how much batsmen have relied on dead pitches to negate the effectiveness of good bowlers. If a bowler had complained about a batting friendly track people would have told said bowler to shut up and get on with the game. But snice MS Dhoni is a batsmen.... I wouldn't be surprised to see the ICC pass a rule that outright bans swinging and bouncy pitches.... I fear for the future of cricket.

  • AnthoniJi on August 11, 2010, 16:21 GMT

    Message to cricketing countries like Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Scotland, WI, etc. Make spongy bouncy wicket when India visits your country and you will win.

  • on August 11, 2010, 16:19 GMT

    I like what jam 11 has said! Well said.....plainly spoken!

  • on August 11, 2010, 16:13 GMT

    Agree with most comments posted here. Somehow India of late has become a 'bad loser'. Dhoni always finds something wrong in the pitch/conditions/toss/dew etc when India lose and rarely does one see him honestly confess that India were just not good enough on the day. If one were to observe his captaincy these days, its become slightly predictable - has he run out of ideas or has he used too many ideas in his initial stint? I cannot say but some of his decisions clearly boggle the mind sometimes - like removing the two pacemen from the attack when they were clearly on top and good for possibly a couple of wickets more.

    The selection of the team is a bit weird too. Why do they never consider Nehra and Praveen Kumar for tests when clearly they are the only two bowlers apart from Zaheer who can swing the ball? Ishant is way too wayward these days and not genuinely quick - the latter being the reason he was noticed in the first place.

    Time to pull up socks team India!

  • on August 11, 2010, 15:50 GMT

    Most of them who comment here never held a cricket bat in their entire life. Every team has an off day, unfortunately it was India yesterday. We just can't poke on a defeat all the time, The same team has won many accolades lately. Spongy bounce was truly a factor but can't cite it as a reason for not playing well. They representing INDIA and they sure gotta know how to handle different situations and conditions. I'm damn sure India gonna break this jinx and play better cricket in rest of the tournament. Im with Dhoni Guys.

  • ROXSPORT on August 11, 2010, 15:43 GMT

    Wrong team selection cost India in no small measure. For one, there should be no place for non-performers like Rohit Sharma & Yuvraj Singh. It is time Saurabh Tiwari, Irfan Pathan, R Ashwin & others are given an extended run in the team.

  • on August 11, 2010, 15:27 GMT

    Wow.. NZ looking good for WC.... once they are in full strength, they will be a fabulous team...

  • kumarcoolbuddy on August 11, 2010, 15:05 GMT

    I know its a natural habit to shoot comments on opposition team when their team wins a match, especially if their team is not in form and it is an unexpected win, like pakistani's do. Ultimately India should accept their mistakes in yeterday's match. Nothing wrong in comparing Indian team with Bangladesh, Bermuda, Zimbabve or even Pakistan because they cannot go beyond their cricket knowledge but I wish ppl who r criticizing Indian team now will open their mouth similarly when India wins a match. FYI...Dhoni didn't cry on pitch but accepdted mistakes for their failure. Anyway long way to go...Keep posting...

  • Nampally on August 11, 2010, 15:01 GMT

    This was a disgraceful performance by the Indian team and no excuses will justify it. How can NZ get 288 runs and India end up with 88 on the same wicket? Can anyone explain such poor performance by this team? If the pitch was spongy, it applies to both the teams. Yet a huge difference in batting. Rohit, Yuvraj, Raina & Dhoni all falling to scores of less than 7 runs each. India should have sent their A Team which is more keen and enthusiastic. The Indian Selectors should use these occasions to rest their regular team and get the youngsters like Mukund, Dhawan, Pujara, Rehane, Tiwary, UnadKat, J.Singh, etc and see how they perform. There is absolutely no point in flogging Dhoni & his dead horses to get any performance out of them. A change of troops, who have different mental attitude and will to show their excellence thru' performance is badly needed. A visionary and imaginative Selection team is needed in the present day Cricket where mental & Physical sharpness is essential.

  • ccriccfan on August 11, 2010, 14:56 GMT

    India is a useless team that should just give up playing cricket. I am sick of their lame excuses everytime something does not go their way. It is high time they learn what it is like to play quality cricket.

  • Bala74 on August 11, 2010, 14:50 GMT

    Perhaps Dhoni does have a point. Markworthy and Luke77 point to how NZ scored 288. If they cared to analyse the 1st innings scorecard; NZ did not steadily build the score to 288. At one point NZ looked certain of going 300+. They were 218/3 but lost the last wickets for 70 runs. Perhaps they too found it difficult with "spongy" bounce later in their innings.

  • on August 11, 2010, 14:33 GMT

    @ Vivek Dahiya

    Regarding Sehwag, hope this helps!!

    http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64818.html

    and I don't understand the obsession with fast, bouncy tracks...why can't spinning tracks be considered lively!!

  • Balumekka on August 11, 2010, 14:30 GMT

    Come on guys... Its poor performance from India. But anyway Dambulla pitch is difficult to bat on under the lights and its a well known thing in Sri Lanka. So most of the time, team batting second will loose. (remember the Asia Cup finals) But, certainly by not a margin like what was in yesterday! Dhoni sang the usual sad song after the loss, usually when it comes to Sanga, only the melody will be changed and the lyrics will be same as Dhoni's one.

    Spongy bounce? Then kiwi's must have been batted on a different tract! What our (subcontinental) teams need to do is not to sing these sad songs putting the blame on pitches and grounds. What they really need to do is improve their cricket.

    Same time, the Cricket authorities must seriously look at hazardous things like IPL and their impact on performance of the players.

  • neutral_boy on August 11, 2010, 14:26 GMT

    Indian team is very over rated team. they are not good as Indian media poses. Why they are No1 team in Tests ?

  • vimalan on August 11, 2010, 14:21 GMT

    ah one bad lose and the usual bad mouthing..looks like all haters of India have a field day today. Guys, yes India lost it and they couldn't play the fast bowlers well yesterday. But remember, we play round the year and there will be good and bad days...no team can win all the matches. If you guys think this is the worst Indian team, would you be ready to appreciate if it bounces back and win the next match ? why so much hatred ?

  • Dhoni_fan_from_a_dada_era on August 11, 2010, 14:00 GMT

    that the indian team can't play swing, short, pacey, spongy, bouncy or in simple terms any kind of fast ball has been demonstrated numerous times before. Has there been any steps taken? Whatever ODI success we have got is for Sachin mostly during Dhonis era or in flat tracks of subcontinent. I don't think we can win another Natwest trophy unless the batsmen improve their technique. And don't see that happening in near terms. Only hope is next world cup will be on flattracks of India

  • spinkingKK on August 11, 2010, 14:00 GMT

    If you know that the pitch is bouncy and the fast bowlers are going to have a big say, why would you want to go with 2 spinners and 2 part-time spinners?? Bold decisions needs to be made pre-match as well. Leaving out Ojha wouldn't have been a big bold decision anyway. Since there was no Harbhajan, the decision would have been very easy to leave out the spinners. India's team selection by the coach and the captain are never ever been good. They always stick to a pre-coceived thoughts and pays for it so many times. I remember a similar situation in Australia when Sreenath was unplayable and India almost won that match with his bowling. However, India went into that match with 2 or 3 spinners.

  • on August 11, 2010, 13:56 GMT

    stop whining about the pitch every time something goes wrong.. sure SSC was a craptastic track.. but take a step back and try to not find excuses every time. I'm tired of reading articles where all people do is complain. All this time people complained that sri lanka didn't have any tracks with any bounce.. when we try to make one.. they call it "spongy".. puhhleezE. It might not be ideal yet but I'm happy they made a bouncy track so the SL fast bowlers can get more exposure to local tracks with bounce n pace. I don't even mind if NZ win this tourney cause even SL needs more exposure to bouncy tracks and good bowling.. but for some reason I think SL might negotiate NZ a bit better..

  • JoseBautista on August 11, 2010, 13:47 GMT

    I hope the indian selectors won't be this crazy while picking the players for the wc. India would have ended up with a better result if they had dravid/laxman. And also better bowlers, not the YOUNGSTERS.

  • LALITHKURUWITA on August 11, 2010, 13:43 GMT

    I think this match was the match between fast bowlers. India had 2 fast bowlers (Mithun injured) Vs Black Caps 4 fast bowlers. If India had 4 fast bowlers the result would be a different or at least a close one. The other factor is the TOSS. I am sure India can still win the CUP if they bat first and go for every match with 4 good fast bowlers and part time spinners. Like Test series or Asia cup India will start slowly.

  • on August 11, 2010, 13:43 GMT

    well said lucyferr ......... u funny ... good that we lost this match .. we were aweful, when 5 down i was afraid if yuvraj will make wonders. glad that it dint happen .. Now the guys will put in some heart ..

  • on August 11, 2010, 13:39 GMT

    Indian fans should realise by now, that their team is NO WHERE near being number 1. This shameful performance tells the story. Take out the likes of Sachin, Dravid, and Laxman, and thats what you have left, a bunch of spineless players. Its funny to see Dhoni blaming the pitch. After all Pakistan is not the only team getting out for 80 odd runs.. Ha Ha

  • on August 11, 2010, 13:26 GMT

    only sachin and dravid can play on such sort of pitches and conditions.. others r just flat tracks bully ... including dhoni

  • Kevin2000 on August 11, 2010, 13:25 GMT

    well well well, 88 all out :-o most of indian batsmen are flat tracks bullies, wake up indians. make a bit bouncy tracks in india or atleast bowler friendly pitches then you'll see it who's really telented batsman and real contest between ball and bat. ok i understand under the light ball was doing a bit but class of sehwag, yuvi dhoni, raina, rohit, karthik& co should have reach easily 200+. indian bowling and fielding was really low standard no wonder if you keep making flat tracks in india your fast bowling department always be below part. well done Kiwis, you brought IPL's faty dollers packed players to reality.....

  • jawana on August 11, 2010, 13:13 GMT

    Lolllllll...!!! May be INDIA played worse than any associate side. Even Bermuda or Kenya could have done better. Provide them flat wicket and they will score 300 plus lolllllll... Just a sentnce to express INDIAN team: Flat wicket bully.... INDIA

  • spintl on August 11, 2010, 12:41 GMT

    I would really like to see a one-day gme played between India vs NZ/Eng/Aus/SA where the pitch is tailor made for spinners and the ball is turning square.. and then listen to the comments the captains of those teams make!!! Yes, we agree that sub-continent players are not equipped to play seam & swing bowling.. but I would like to see overseas players track record in the sub-continent...

    One more thing is when India plays NZ/AUS/ENG/SA, there are already 30-40 runs behind even before they take strike as these teams have outstanding fielding and they save 30-40 in fielding alone... India needs to improve their fielding & catching

  • CatchFixer on August 11, 2010, 12:40 GMT

    Indians fans, you do not worry ICC will still keep you No 1 no matter how many poor performances you give..................... Sangakara you was right ......... :)

  • kashi9870 on August 11, 2010, 12:39 GMT

    I have been a big big fan of indian cricket but if you see things and team perforformance closely since the begining of IPL its just amzaing arrogance in the indian team. We mshould call it 'MULTI MILLIONAIRES TEAM" Instead of indian team..

  • SUNDOS on August 11, 2010, 12:28 GMT

    There seemed to be strange kind of fatigue,the Indians looked listless,But its no big deal,ODI's are like a lottery.And Dambula.win the toss bat first,the pitch changes character under lights,A team fresh,rested after months of rest and conditioning,this was bound to happen.I wouldnt read too much into this tournament,The next match and the likes of Yuvraj,Sharma,Raina etc.. should perform and justify the " one Bad day at the office" cliche.

  • jituu on August 11, 2010, 12:23 GMT

    Not only the indian batsman but batsmen around the world cant play short pitch stuff. i want to tell indian bowlers to try short pitch at others too.. then see the result. and yesterday's pitch was really pathetic...indian batting is the best in the word and they play well in good pitch..like in australia, eng, nzland..etc.

  • luvpakcricket on August 11, 2010, 12:23 GMT

    indian fans were laughing a few days back , now take it , the great Sachins and Dhonis and Yuvrajs and Rainas of no use , with some help for bowlers, indians cant win th WC 2011 with mithuns and parveens , aamer and asif will wipe the floor with sachin mumbai final , noone can play gul and face rejuvenated Shoaib bhai !

  • tmartis on August 11, 2010, 12:18 GMT

    Do Indian batsmen know their job is to bat and not let the bowlers do most of the batting and bowling. It has been a decade now since I've heard the same old excuses - we were undone by the bounce and we lack the bowlers. India please do not travel anywhere without Tendulkar.

  • on August 11, 2010, 12:17 GMT

    Well heheh ... Now We Know Why india likes to play at home. hehehe .... Well team inda heheh ... anyways i will say NZ played well and slaped the Rating System ...;) Mr Logart ... heheheh

  • STres on August 11, 2010, 12:12 GMT

    Here we go again the Indian excuse machine at work, one fan unnecessarily draws Mahela and Sanga into this commenting on how they fare on other wickets, My sympathies with all Indian fans, your team is just not good enough, I feel sorry for these die hard Indian fans, what a pity that they cannot get 11 good players from 1200 million population. I hope you do well and all the very best for the rest of the tournament. But for god;s sake no excuses please win or loose

  • JattB0y on August 11, 2010, 12:05 GMT

    @northern do me a favour please.ask S waugh who is the best batsman in all conditions.i guess his answer would be Sachin Tendulkar.

  • klobania on August 11, 2010, 12:02 GMT

    ha ha haaa i mean most of indian fans still believe that had india batted first then result would have been different what a excuse i mean excuse of this millenium. i think if india had batted first and the way pitch was behaving in initial overs match would have been different as it would have been finished inside 30 overs (i.e. india had batted for 25 overs with 50 runs on the board and kiwis had achieved the same with in 5 overs). i think BCCI should ask to icc voluntarily that we do not deserve any ranking above 9 (as they are better than zimbabwe if they play full fledged team) or icc should ban a team for atleast 1 yr who scores less than 100 runs in sub continent pitch. u know wat indians can win only one major tournament and that is IPL as only indian teams can play in it.

  • ratedstfu44 on August 11, 2010, 12:00 GMT

    Asia Cup Final ON this Pitch Srilanka scored 188 runs and lost the match by 67 runs against INDIA, Now same pitch same bounce...India all Out for 88.

    If india wins then pitch is okey, if they lose then there is excuse for MS dhoni...pitch is not good....If any any1 says that pitch is not good then withdraw the ASIA CUP final results.

  • Hindh on August 11, 2010, 11:58 GMT

    India have won their last 4 ODI series in S lanka continuously ,now how many teams have done that ? This is just a one off loss.

  • on August 11, 2010, 11:24 GMT

    There were lots of people posting biased comments and making fun of the Pakistan Cricket team's inability to Bat.. Now What do you think about the Indian Team??? hahaha The Truth is that Indian Team cannot handle bounce and cannot bat on bouncy tracks and good bowling tracks. IF you see the history, most of the series India played were on Flat Tracks. They never had swing , pace or fast bowlers and made their batting records by having 7 match, 5 match series with countries like Bangadesh, Zimbabwe on FLAT Tracks. They rarely taste the bounce but at the moment they are facing the bounce. And the whole world can See the Result?? Hahahaha....Bring the hype down ......

  • sachin1bradman2 on August 11, 2010, 11:19 GMT

    If there were no slipfielders when India were batting, it would've been such an easy chase! What a ridiculous batting performance, the cowardly attitude to rising balls makes a spectacle of this much celebrated batting line-up. The Blackcaps deserved to win, they are such a sensible team, and they always play with common sense and get the basics right. Also following the Aussie policy of 'rotation', 'testing bench-strength' etc doesn't work for India. The pool of talent isn't half as good, and the results speak for themselves.When the so called senior players are struggling for form, they should be given as many games as possible before being rested. Sachin will be retiring soon, come on fellows learn something from the Master whilst there is still time!

  • Al-Entity on August 11, 2010, 11:18 GMT

    Well I think this result should PLEASE all INDIANS who were complaining about how SLOW and FLAT Sri Lankan Pitches are! LOL

  • KiwiRocker- on August 11, 2010, 10:52 GMT

    I can claim to be one of most loyal fans of cricinfo web site. Quality of journalism at this website has always been excellent but recently I have noticed a pathetic trend of pro-India comments. India got hammered by Sri Lanka in test matches and somehow by fluke drew series but then pitches were blamed. New Zealand scored close to 300 and now bounce is being blamed? I can understand Pakistani batsmen complaining about pitches and bounce against very fine English bowling attack but I am sorry these petty excuses from Indians are just sad. India is no.5 rated team in world in test matches behind Australia, England, South Africa and Sri Lanka. India is same in ODI. I am so tired of reading these biased comments. If it was not enough that Tendulkar who never won anything for India, never faced two top bowlers of his era(W's) is supposed to be better than Lara and Punter..Now we also have to listen to these more lame excuses!India did not lose, it was humiliation...Well done NZ!

  • satotheend on August 11, 2010, 10:44 GMT

    Now I am reading it is the selectors' fault! Indian supporters should start thinking about giving credit where its due. New Zealand ROUTED...yes read it and weep.... ROUTED a team with Sehwag, SRT and Mr. Dhoni.... Bat first, bat second... my goodness you guys are a JOKE! New Zealand taught you a lesson. I loved every second of this match because I knew the whining and blaming that would happen on Cricinfo. And you guys have not disappointed me... I love reading this... When you won a test in South Africa a few years ago you had SUDDENLY turned the corner. Only to be soundly beaten in the series. You guys better PAY that Australia or South Africa dont get you on another "spungy" track... You will be cannon-fodder.... Oops I forgot... YOU ALREADY ARE!!

  • on August 11, 2010, 10:42 GMT

    Good idea....Combine Indian ODI balling side with Indian Test batting side and add R P Singh and Ishant Sharma................... India will become a great force in both formats................

    Keep youngsters for IPL 20 20 only

  • Swami73 on August 11, 2010, 10:34 GMT

    To all you India bashers - especially those from Sri Lanka - rejoice while you can. You will see India's fury shortly. I know the whole cricket world is envious of India's influence on cricket. Let's for a moment imagine the cricket world without India and then you will probably moderate your comments. Tell me which team is really good in seaming conditions? How about Aus's batting against Pak (in the test series)? I know India played badly and there are no excuses. But stop targeting India without justification. If you guys can dominate India on the field through fair means, please go ahead. I would like to hear from all the SL fans who were bashing India. In the end it was a 1-1 draw wasn't it? And if I am not mistaken India did not devise the rating system. So why blame us?

  • on August 11, 2010, 10:26 GMT

    When NZ batting, where is that spongy bounce ? From the first ball india had to face the spongy bounce.but at the final overs of NZ batting did we see any spongy bounce? The pitch changed dramatically when india batting?... no no no india bowlers bowled straight they had no clue how to capitalize the bounce.on the other hand NZ bowlers played smiling with bounce...

  • on August 11, 2010, 10:23 GMT

    I think whoever team plays against india should play some 5 - 6 genuine fast ballers and make fun of the INDIAN so called batting giants...................

    I cannot figure out why all the cricketing teams don't opt for 5 fast baller strategy against India......and start peppering Indian Batsmen with short of good length deliveries consistently keeping fine leg and square leg back.

    All that Indian youngsters can play is spin and medium balling and occasional half vollies from pacers......which they receive in IPL

    Sorry to say. but.... none of the Indian youngsters have potential to play pace balling. Only Sachin, Dravid and to some extent Sehwag knows the art of playing quick balling........But Dravid has a problem he is too slow paced for ODIs and becomes liability on other Indian batters

  • on August 11, 2010, 10:21 GMT

    Genuine pacers have proven their worth time and again............ As a matter of fact it is only the champion batsmen who can play genuine quick pace ……I cannot figure out why teams under rate genuine fast ballers and populate balling department with spinners and bit and piece medium pacers.

    How often we see fast ballers doing major early damage but later order surviving….It happened to NZ but didn't happen to INDIA….because NZ had extra fast baller……………. Reason for this to happen is that Spin ballers and bit and piece Medium pacers give time to opposion batsmen to settle down with consistently taken singles………..because these ballers need defensive fields.

    The problem is only with team selection.....If India had the 4 rth seamer they whould have done same to NZ as NZ did to India....and SOLUTION is R P Singh who can consistently ball short of good length deliveries at brisk pace ……….whereas all other teams should always keep 4 genuine fast ballers in line up while playing.

  • Hindh on August 11, 2010, 10:16 GMT

    Anyway who cares of this dying ODI format. If india wins then rankings are not right , NOw NZ is 2 in ODI this is got to be the joke of the millenium.

  • IPL_is_Thrash on August 11, 2010, 10:13 GMT

    Nothing surprising. It was not India Vs NZ it was NZ vs IPL TEAM.

  • Paul-in-Finland on August 11, 2010, 10:09 GMT

    Ha Ha Ha..... Bounce , of course it was the bounce.....it must have changed during the innings break !

  • kkk47 on August 11, 2010, 10:08 GMT

    win toss...bat first...win the match...thats the order of the day in Dambulla.

  • Balaspike on August 11, 2010, 10:02 GMT

    India is only team who finds some reason and blames something whenever they lose. If kiwis can play in a spongy bounce pitch why not indians. Indian batsmen are not capable to play bounce deliveries. Is there any indian batsman to play hook shot and pull shot. No one. Then how they can play in bouncy pitches. You can clearly notice that only indian batsman will play legside deliveries towards offside. Indian batsmen having lot of potential to delivery but they cannot play bounce ball, legside, yorker and etc.........

    Another important thing is that india is the only team which have no bowlers in their side. But there are some players in bowler catagory.

  • mknkmak on August 11, 2010, 9:53 GMT

    well we were blaming Pakistan for their dismal performance. Look what we have produced 88 all out. a bating line that include greats(so called or self proclaimed greats) like shewag, Dhoni, Yuvi etc. why we rate this team no 1? Still Aussies are the NO1 side. yes one thing true about this team that it is bunch of highly over rated cricketers.

  • nataraajds on August 11, 2010, 9:49 GMT

    please don't blame wicket. it is the same venue we won asia cup. we batted very badly. it's know fact that batting second here is not an easy job, none of the players apply themselves to stay & build partnerships. We also allowed NZ for a big partnership between Rose Taylor & strrus. we should have restricted them below 250. our spinners did badly. knowing the conditions dhoni should not have used spinners for full 10 overs.--

  • zxaar on August 11, 2010, 9:40 GMT

    "Indian fans should not worry too much - there is no shame in being soundly beaten by the second best one day team in the world, as rated by the ICC" ------------------- we don't worry , we have been there and done it as far as ICC rankings are concerned. It won't be the first time india will beat new zealand when they do. Its just one match. Thats all.

  • srinathb on August 11, 2010, 9:30 GMT

    Instead of playing that hopeless "all rounder"(Jadeja),i would advise Dhoni to pick 5 bowlers n 6 Batsmen for rest of the series.both Jadeja and Rohit are good only against Zim,Ban.even if they score 40+ runs,the end result would be a loss.

  • suni550 on August 11, 2010, 9:29 GMT

    in the subcontinent the match results are decide by the TOSS if you win the toss you will win the match. If this is the case for WC then people will definitely lose interest. ICC should think about this once I remember that in IND-PAK series matches started at 11 a.m local time. ICC should do the same thing for the WC 2011 so that match result will not be depend on the toss

  • jmi.sharaf on August 11, 2010, 9:27 GMT

    pitch is assisting fast bowlers but dhoni given spell to Ravinder jadeja instead of Mithun, because of this dhoni's utter mistake india lost the game? if he gave spell to Mithu who knows newZland also all out less than 175.. Inida may chase and won.

  • suni550 on August 11, 2010, 9:19 GMT

    no surprise that Indian batsmen did not have answers for genuine swing and short bouncers. How they collapsed in T20 world cup for short balls. If the pitch is good for batting every one scores 50s atleast. If the pitch is little favor to fast bowlers then, the young Indian team don't have any answers

  • on August 11, 2010, 9:04 GMT

    Dhoni is not trying for wickets, he just want to finish 50 overs quota... once nehar and Pravin Kumar got wickets, why he bring Mithun and spin. He has to use his brain to reduce scores and get wickets. This types of tactics we Indian seeing since ages, What Gary is doing as a coach. And why Ravindra Jadeja in the team. We don;t have any combinations...wake up Dhoni as worldcup is very near....

  • Vijayendra on August 11, 2010, 8:59 GMT

    Why have you put the caption "Suresh Raina was one of several Indian batsmen caught at slip" under Ravindra Jadeja's pic?

  • VijayaDar on August 11, 2010, 8:59 GMT

    Spongy bounce or no bounce, the abject surrender by the batsmen cannot have any excuse. These guys have become too complacent and take their positions for granted. There is no place foe Jadeja in any Indian XI, and yet he is being persisted with. R. Ashwin is a much better bowler and should have been in this side. Mithun has no pace and physically looks weak. Why Vinay Kumar has been dropped? Ojha has to tighten his line and find more variations. The batting will perform, it is the bowling that needs to be addressed.

  • on August 11, 2010, 8:52 GMT

    Guys waht we are missing is India batted 2nd in this Pitch. Lets see how other teams will respond when they are batting second

  • mansam on August 11, 2010, 8:46 GMT

    Weldone! New Zealand! Indian team is not the best as every one thinks

  • on August 11, 2010, 8:39 GMT

    If we analyze from the openers it should be admitted that barring Sachin no other player is capable of playing genuine swing bowling on lively tracks. Are we able to recall any famous ODI won by Sehwag on its own. He is hammering centuries after centuries in tests on dead tracks and who is not scoring runs in this era? Take sangkkara or Mahela of Sri Lanka, they have become run machines but when they travel abroad and bat on bouncy tracks they are not able to even see the ball properly. It is only imagined that in ODI and T20s the tracks should be full of runs but i must say any die hard cricket fan only wants a good contest between Bat and Ball. So all countries should unanimously think and try to lay lively tracks and only then cricket will be more exciting and popular.

  • geedubnz on August 11, 2010, 8:38 GMT

    Indian fans should not worry too much - there is no shame in being soundly beaten by the second best one day team in the world, as rated by the ICC

  • -Murad- on August 11, 2010, 8:38 GMT

    Funny! Now they are blaming the bounce. LOL

  • Luke77 on August 11, 2010, 8:35 GMT

    Fantastic to see a lively wicket. Typical to hear from whinger Dhoni that it was difficult to bat on this wicket. Strange, NZ were closing up in 300!

  • Kumar_cricket on August 11, 2010, 8:29 GMT

    Its one of those matches where India was completely domaniated by the opponent. I am sure India will bounce back and put up much better show in the series.

  • on August 11, 2010, 8:26 GMT

    I feel the BOTTOM line is... WE PLAYED BAD... so we deserved to lose

  • sid2810 on August 11, 2010, 8:19 GMT

    ball is swinging a lot in the intial overs,nehra & parveen are bowling sweetly& in tandem then why dhoni change the bowling with new comer and remain continue with mithun instead of no results.if at that time nehra would have remain in attack for 2-3 overs more with kumar surely 2 more wickets finished new zealand which kiwis done against india

  • Avery_Mann on August 11, 2010, 8:10 GMT

    The "spongy bounce" excuse didn't seem to cause much concern for the Kiwis when they pummeled 288 off the toothless Indian attack. No, India was undone by being outclassed with bat and then ball by the new number 2 team in ODI cricket. Get used to it.

  • lucyferr on August 11, 2010, 7:40 GMT

    The wrong kind of bounce, eh? It's so cool to see India playing like, well, Bangladesh. No, that's not quite right... playing like Zimbabwe... no, they're doing alright... playing like Bermuda? Bet that fat guy could have made some of those catches the Indians couldn't... hm. Not Bermuda then. Playing like the English football team... ah, now we're talking!

  • TikoloFan on August 11, 2010, 7:24 GMT

    NZL are 2nd best team in icc odi ranking now, but 2nd from bottom in test rankings!!!

  • indianzen on August 11, 2010, 7:23 GMT

    now again its proved that we cant do without sachin. I would say we have Laxman and Sachin in the team...

  • DINESHCC on August 11, 2010, 7:17 GMT

    whatever the spongy bounce, this Newzealand team is a second line team. Their captain and T20, one day specialists Mcullum and Ryder have not figured in the squad. Bond Retired. Even then it demolishes India. It is fact that anything above 220 is not easy to chase. But it is a meek surrender. Everyone has come and gone to the pavilion thinking that they missed something in the pavilion. Pathetic performance. Now the entire pakistan team and supporters will be happy as another team has joined with them in scoring double digit scores. The entire 11 batsmen could not score the individual scores of either Styris or Taylor. Everytime when India lost such badly, the captain and coach blame the pitch conditions. This time also the same thing made by them. The Indian Selectors should not have just satisfied with the selection of Ravindra Jadeja, they have to use their influence to get MoM award to him every match. He is SHOAIB MALIK II.

  • on August 11, 2010, 7:16 GMT

    Thats jadega's pic and its not raina. Also,this is the perfect situation where we can bring back our best allrounder Irfan Pathan.

  • klobania on August 11, 2010, 7:13 GMT

    waka waka this time for india

  • Hindh on August 11, 2010, 7:12 GMT

    Had india bowled second Nehra and Praveen kumar wud have been unplayabe and new zealand wud have been rolled for under 100. In dambulla it is win the toss win the match.

  • Jaggadaaku on August 11, 2010, 6:56 GMT

    What a shameful Indian captain is and his favourite batsman-Yuvraj. Remember, once upon a time, in the year of 1983, when India's 5 top order wickets were down for only 27 runs and the greatest Indian captain-Kapil entered on the ground, and blasted 175* and rescued his team. After that match, I haven't seen any Indian captain ever did rescue his team in that kind of situation. Whenever I see Dhoni playing as batsman role (After he became captain and Model), his almost all of the shots going to the Mid-On and Mid-Off where he hardly find a run. When Dhoni wasn't a captain or model, but was just a great cricketer, he was more blaster than Sehwag. I remember when he made 148 against Pakistan and 183* against Sri Lanka, the Cricinfo added in his profile that "Hitting these centuries, Dhoni put Sehwag into the shadow." Where is that Dhoni?? Answer: probably all the success gave him many many commercial advertisements, and he just left being a model now. Now, he is only good as a salesman.

  • on August 11, 2010, 6:47 GMT

    I wonder what would happen to Sri Lanka or NZ if they chase underlights in the next match.I am quite worried about the way the pitch behaved underlights both in Dambulla and the Premadasa Stadiums,the way the pitches are suited are only batting first and if you lost the toss it seems your team is good as lost as you will be chasing under lights with ample support to the bowlers with seam ,swing,spin and now spongy bounce,SL cricket needs to find a way in producing good ODI pitches which the win ratio will not depend on the toss,last time around in the Asia Cup Final SL were reduced to 50 odd for 5 chasing the target 260 odd set by India which they went on to win by 83 runs.The latest match at the Dambulla Stadium NZ scored 288 and went on to win by a massive 200 run margin,India scored only 88.Signs of things to come,anyone agree????

  • on August 11, 2010, 6:39 GMT

    the player in the picture is not RAINA its RAVINDRA JADEJA ..........but theplayers were undone by the xtra bit of bounce xtaracted by KIWIS...

  • Rangdal on August 11, 2010, 6:26 GMT

    Hello am Shakti Rangdal from hyderabad am very affraid for selection of Rohit? why selection team picking him he is 1 of waist player in indian team he dont no how to play. am great fan of Mr.K.Srikanth he is the best batsman/captian y? he is doing maistake of picking Rohit Sharma. and why not pick Virat kohli......... next time onwords i dont want to see Rohit sharma in indian Team....

  • on August 11, 2010, 6:17 GMT

    the player in player in this picture is not RAINA its JADEJA....nyway all the players suffered from the extra bounce....

  • jam-11 on August 11, 2010, 5:56 GMT

    Selfish Dhoni... ball doing something he comes late for batting, if 120/1 in 20 overs he comes no3 in batting order. and also why 3 left arm spinner in a side? in team only Chennai super king players and dhoni friends get easy entry(why not kohli instead of rohith or ravindra) please all of will talk against dhoni once, then he will change his tactics, then India will once again wins. and give chances to player who can handle bouncing ball. now most of player plays well in dead pitches. sehwag please play well when India batting in difficult pitches,ur the only one man can do it.yuvi please work hard, ur match winner for India along with sehwag.

  • on August 11, 2010, 5:51 GMT

    It was just men against boys out there!

  • cricketandmore on August 11, 2010, 5:48 GMT

    If I am not wrong, the picture features legendary Indian all rounder Ravindra Jadeja. Why is Suresh Raina's name mentioned alongside the pic?

  • on August 11, 2010, 5:41 GMT

    hahahahaha.....only words after india's performance....india should had batted first ....and the match would have been over soon .....why exhaust the precious indian bowlers ......cant help laughing

  • satotheend on August 11, 2010, 5:40 GMT

    What a display from NZ against the "much favoured" Indians! The Indian bowlers bowled well with the new ball but were absolutely BLITZED when the ball got older... very un-subcontinental! The NZ batsmen batted very well and Ross Taylor took the wind out of Dhoni's sails when he took the batting powerplay in the 30th over. My problem with Indian commentary and reporting is that its NEVER abt the OTHER team... India always SELF-DESTRUCT or are BORED (LOL)... Mills, Oram and Mckay bowled brilliantly on a surface where your bowlers got caned! Understand it.. The Indians are NOW struggling in BOTH fast AND spin - bowling departments. India will probably bounce back but huge cracks are starting to appear in their armour... and they have a DELICIOUS date with South Africa who has Steyn and Morkel later this year. You better hope Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman and the likes are ready because you might be white-washed before you know it!

  • Abbas_Quereshi on August 11, 2010, 5:33 GMT

    ho ho ho ha ha ha ............. what happened to indian experienced batting lineup. 88 all out.their lowest total against kiwi. now i like to see MS.Dhoni in Bike ads, Sk,Raina in biscuit ads. come on make more ads and entertain us. :)

  • usman_nile1994 on August 11, 2010, 5:32 GMT

    Its the same problem all sub-continent batsmen face. The only solution is making bouncy seam friendly pitches in subcontinent

  • jomesh on August 11, 2010, 5:32 GMT

    Loss of major players apart, Poor selection is to be blamed for this embarrassment. Why are Ravindra Jadeja & Dinesh Karthik given a free-run in the Indian team? They both are just about average players; Karthik a "veteran" in the team running in his 7th year in the Indian team. But still in the disguise of a "young" player, but with an utter failed record. If it was not for Mr. Srikanth & the TN lobby, Karthik would not have found a place even in an India B team. And the sooner the selectors & the team management wake up to realise that Jadeja is just a bits & pieces cricketer, the better. They seem to be of the impression that he is the next Kapil Dev / Ravi Shastri :-o The harm in picking is not just that the team lose matches, but also that real talented players (like Kohli, Pujara & co) are blocked!

  • CatchFixer on August 11, 2010, 5:31 GMT

    I dont believe how dhoni miss Styrus stump chance and how he try to run himself out when batting.........This is not the dhoni we all know......

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on August 11, 2010, 5:29 GMT

    Oh dear, cannot drive off the back foot, or get away with 0 foot movement, or plant the foot down and hit through the line of everything, whatever will 1 do? Well...wake up call. When the bowler has a chance to do something in cricket for a change, it is up to batsmen to prove they are not flat track bullies, 88 all out is an epic fail. Sure there is bound to be a bounce back but after that what next? Back to the same old bad habits? THIS is what cricket should be, bowlers get something when they bowl well (ala NZ with discipline),bastmen get something when they bat well n poor fielding WILL OFTEN lose a match. Time to cut the crap, teams like Ind who r extremely blessed with batsmen have been getting away with murder due to the terrible mismatch between bat n ball plaguing world cricket. They CAN do better n need to be forced to. How long will the consistently poor fielding be brushed aside as no big deal? Just because the batting can score 300+ at will on the many flat tracks?

  • 11Noobs on August 11, 2010, 5:24 GMT

    Take out Jadeja!!! Tendulkar, as usual when he rests, is missed. Yuvraj's reselection is the biggest BS I have ever seen from this selection group (and they've done a lot BS selections). They only dropped him for one series after all this big talk about fitness and attitude and he's back LOL... Whats wrong in bringing back Laxman or Dravid? They don't have fitness problems, they don't have attitude problems, they can play in difficult conditions and most of all, they are commited 200% playing for their country instead of going to parties.

  • fkauser on August 11, 2010, 5:11 GMT

    I am a big supporter of INDIAN team .....but india deserve this loss coz what we can understand that lot of politics are going onnn in team......i really dont understand what Mr Dhoni & Mr Selectors are doing this is the best team they are preparing for world cup and they will win the world cup with this team???? So I am sorry to say guy grow up again and think ........Mr Dhoni say we dont have any other player to fill the place of R Jadeja ......please open you eyes and see we have pathan brothers both can bat and even both can bowl.......agreed yousaf pathan fail on many occasion but wht about irfan pathan.......why you guys are keeping them out of the team......indian team for world cup: Shewag:Gambhir:Tendulkar:Yuvraj:Raina:Dhoni:Yousaf:Irfan:Harbhajan:Nehra: Zaheer:Munaf:Praveen:Ojha:Karthik:Ashwin.......how does it look....

  • on August 11, 2010, 5:05 GMT

    It is not Suresh Raina in the picture. It is Ravindra Jadeja

  • KAIRAVA on August 11, 2010, 4:30 GMT

    Since 2008, the so called "future stars rich" Indian ODI/T20 batting lineup has been severely exposed both at home and overseas on a regular basis. Getting shot to 74 (the lowest total ever by a ICC FULL MEMBER TEAM) in the only T20 international in Melbourne against a pacy Aussie lineup started the trend. Then, Mendis magic created havoc by spinning out India on many an occasion (Asia Cup 2008, Colombo 2008 and counting) followed by Aussie fast bowlers demolishing Indian top order (Guwahati 2008), then the twin T20 world cup disaster in England and West Indies exposed India's next generation of shining stars weakness to handle bouncing balls against average bowling line-ups. Tenth-ranked Zimbabwe stunned 2nd ranked India twice in 5 weeks with some ordinary spin bowlers. Now a bunch of average medium pacers from NZ demolish India to the lowest ODI total in a decade. Reality check: India should cease to dream of being anywhere in the top 4 teams in ODI or lifting the next world cup.

  • dilscoop on August 11, 2010, 4:13 GMT

    Its not just the pitch that needs to be blamed - Indians traditionally have been poor starters be it a test match series or ODI series from time immemorial. Looking back at the history of Indian cricket umpteen times Indians have lost the first test of a series irrespective of whether there was a practice game before the test match or not. It is in the Indian DNA/mental makeup that they will not work until they are forced - that would explain the come back test victories immediately following a test defeat. Indians looked lackadaisical on the field & looked as though they were going through the motions. Fatigue cannot be a reason - in the XI only sehwag, dhoni, mithun & ojha played all the 3 tests vs SL. Dambulla is not unfamiliar to the rest of the ODI specialists agreed the pitch behaved differently compared to the asia cup. Toss is always crucial at dambulla. Given the amount of tosses dhoni is losing (lost all 3 in tests vs SL) it is time he sends the vice captain for the toss.

  • Dashi on August 11, 2010, 3:57 GMT

    I watched this game and I'd say New Zealand had to bat during the hardest part of the game, the first 15 overs for New Zealand was just pure survival and good but not excepnational bowlers were made too look world class. Styris and Taylor showed great application and really knuckled down, none of the Indian batsmen were able to do that.

    Got to feel for that Williamson on debut though, got an absolute peach on debut. Don't worry lad, it can only get better from here.

  • anObserver on August 11, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    India has to learn that the world cup is fast approaching and in order to make a mark there it is very necessary for each member of the team to develop the ability of balanced play with sound mind backed by somewhat good fielding instead of missing chances and giving chances to the opposition. There should be a tryst to match with at least not the best but still the average form of fielding. You cannot blame your bowlers if you are batting like what India did in this match. Out for just 88 runs and cursing the fielding is the attempt to look away from the reality. So it is very necessary to come up with good score consistently backed by good fielding and bowling attack.For this each one has to contribute. You can not be complacent and expect miracles from one or two player, the need is for team effort. The need is India should come up with sound reply especially Yuvraj Singh, Rohit Sharma and Dinesh Karthik should bring consistency in performance.

  • South_Indian on August 11, 2010, 3:46 GMT

    Where are the Indian fans?? Will they accept defeat at least this time and give credit to NZ or as usual give excuses for their team's "world-class" performance last night? What a wonderful feeling when India gets thrashed in cricket! Its even more enjoyable when their hopeless batsmen struggle against seam movement and bounce and get out as if giving catch practice to the slip fielders.

  • South_Indian on August 11, 2010, 3:45 GMT

    Just few days back, Indian fans were slamming the batting paradise at SSC, as if their "best batsmen in the world" know how to handle bouncy wickets! And boy ! how they went one after the other last night, half the side out even before team reached 50 !! Few days before Indian fans were beaming their side is #1. Its just ridiculous and as Sangakkara, Mahela and even S Waugh pointed out, they are below par and not worth the No.1 ranking. I think SSC is the only pitch suitable for their batsmen. Australia is the undisputed #1 :)

  • thenkabail on August 11, 2010, 3:37 GMT

    World cup team: with mediocre performance by some of the youngesters, one need to think seriously about selecting a winning combination for the world cup. That will not happen with medicre players like Rainas, Karthiks, and Ravindra Jadejas. Here is my winning team for world cup: Sachin, Shewag, Gambhir, Dravid (yes he is a must), Sachin, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Praveen Kumar, Harbhajan, Zahir Khan, and Ashish Nehra, Pujara, Robin Uttappa (as reserve for unpredictable Yuvraj, he can also keep wikets so Dhoni can concentrate more on batting), Jaidev Unadkat, Abhimanyu Mithun (I think he will start getting wickets soon!!) or Ishat Sharma, Piyush Chawla or Ifran Pathan. Any introduction of Youngesters is ONLY after the world.

  • thenkabail on August 11, 2010, 3:23 GMT

    Shameful younesters and visionless selectors: Please stop giving reasons like "spongy" bounce. It is the same pitch that New Zealand played. The problem with Indian team is that in tests they lack bowling and in ODIs they lack batting. Look at India's ODI bowling: Praveen Kumar and Ashish Nehra are good. Others ok. But batting is a huge problem without Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, and Gambir. Youngesters are just not grabbing the chances and putting pressure on veterans. Rohit sharma has talet, but he has to prove it. Raina almost always fails in crucial games and should be replaced with Cheteswar Pujara. Dinesh Karthik must be replaced with Shikar Dhawan. They should definitely get Jaidev Unadkat. Spinner like Harmeet singh\Iqbal Abdulla\Piyush Chawla\Murli Karthink should be brought in. Selection continues to be visionless. Youngesters like Raina are too many chances without delivery in crucial games. Real talent like Pujara are ignored.

  • on August 11, 2010, 3:11 GMT

    Ishaan and Mithun young guys always seems to be out sick

  • AMRUTH on August 11, 2010, 3:06 GMT

    It is an ironay that Jadeja is the top scorer

  • on August 11, 2010, 3:01 GMT

    Indian Batsmen are Flat Track Ponies who can dance if the wicket is devoid of any gras or lateral movement. They are absolutely clueless against the swinging ball and on bouncy tracks.

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  • on August 11, 2010, 3:01 GMT

    Indian Batsmen are Flat Track Ponies who can dance if the wicket is devoid of any gras or lateral movement. They are absolutely clueless against the swinging ball and on bouncy tracks.

  • AMRUTH on August 11, 2010, 3:06 GMT

    It is an ironay that Jadeja is the top scorer

  • on August 11, 2010, 3:11 GMT

    Ishaan and Mithun young guys always seems to be out sick

  • thenkabail on August 11, 2010, 3:23 GMT

    Shameful younesters and visionless selectors: Please stop giving reasons like "spongy" bounce. It is the same pitch that New Zealand played. The problem with Indian team is that in tests they lack bowling and in ODIs they lack batting. Look at India's ODI bowling: Praveen Kumar and Ashish Nehra are good. Others ok. But batting is a huge problem without Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, and Gambir. Youngesters are just not grabbing the chances and putting pressure on veterans. Rohit sharma has talet, but he has to prove it. Raina almost always fails in crucial games and should be replaced with Cheteswar Pujara. Dinesh Karthik must be replaced with Shikar Dhawan. They should definitely get Jaidev Unadkat. Spinner like Harmeet singh\Iqbal Abdulla\Piyush Chawla\Murli Karthink should be brought in. Selection continues to be visionless. Youngesters like Raina are too many chances without delivery in crucial games. Real talent like Pujara are ignored.

  • thenkabail on August 11, 2010, 3:37 GMT

    World cup team: with mediocre performance by some of the youngesters, one need to think seriously about selecting a winning combination for the world cup. That will not happen with medicre players like Rainas, Karthiks, and Ravindra Jadejas. Here is my winning team for world cup: Sachin, Shewag, Gambhir, Dravid (yes he is a must), Sachin, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Praveen Kumar, Harbhajan, Zahir Khan, and Ashish Nehra, Pujara, Robin Uttappa (as reserve for unpredictable Yuvraj, he can also keep wikets so Dhoni can concentrate more on batting), Jaidev Unadkat, Abhimanyu Mithun (I think he will start getting wickets soon!!) or Ishat Sharma, Piyush Chawla or Ifran Pathan. Any introduction of Youngesters is ONLY after the world.

  • South_Indian on August 11, 2010, 3:45 GMT

    Just few days back, Indian fans were slamming the batting paradise at SSC, as if their "best batsmen in the world" know how to handle bouncy wickets! And boy ! how they went one after the other last night, half the side out even before team reached 50 !! Few days before Indian fans were beaming their side is #1. Its just ridiculous and as Sangakkara, Mahela and even S Waugh pointed out, they are below par and not worth the No.1 ranking. I think SSC is the only pitch suitable for their batsmen. Australia is the undisputed #1 :)

  • South_Indian on August 11, 2010, 3:46 GMT

    Where are the Indian fans?? Will they accept defeat at least this time and give credit to NZ or as usual give excuses for their team's "world-class" performance last night? What a wonderful feeling when India gets thrashed in cricket! Its even more enjoyable when their hopeless batsmen struggle against seam movement and bounce and get out as if giving catch practice to the slip fielders.

  • anObserver on August 11, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    India has to learn that the world cup is fast approaching and in order to make a mark there it is very necessary for each member of the team to develop the ability of balanced play with sound mind backed by somewhat good fielding instead of missing chances and giving chances to the opposition. There should be a tryst to match with at least not the best but still the average form of fielding. You cannot blame your bowlers if you are batting like what India did in this match. Out for just 88 runs and cursing the fielding is the attempt to look away from the reality. So it is very necessary to come up with good score consistently backed by good fielding and bowling attack.For this each one has to contribute. You can not be complacent and expect miracles from one or two player, the need is for team effort. The need is India should come up with sound reply especially Yuvraj Singh, Rohit Sharma and Dinesh Karthik should bring consistency in performance.

  • Dashi on August 11, 2010, 3:57 GMT

    I watched this game and I'd say New Zealand had to bat during the hardest part of the game, the first 15 overs for New Zealand was just pure survival and good but not excepnational bowlers were made too look world class. Styris and Taylor showed great application and really knuckled down, none of the Indian batsmen were able to do that.

    Got to feel for that Williamson on debut though, got an absolute peach on debut. Don't worry lad, it can only get better from here.

  • dilscoop on August 11, 2010, 4:13 GMT

    Its not just the pitch that needs to be blamed - Indians traditionally have been poor starters be it a test match series or ODI series from time immemorial. Looking back at the history of Indian cricket umpteen times Indians have lost the first test of a series irrespective of whether there was a practice game before the test match or not. It is in the Indian DNA/mental makeup that they will not work until they are forced - that would explain the come back test victories immediately following a test defeat. Indians looked lackadaisical on the field & looked as though they were going through the motions. Fatigue cannot be a reason - in the XI only sehwag, dhoni, mithun & ojha played all the 3 tests vs SL. Dambulla is not unfamiliar to the rest of the ODI specialists agreed the pitch behaved differently compared to the asia cup. Toss is always crucial at dambulla. Given the amount of tosses dhoni is losing (lost all 3 in tests vs SL) it is time he sends the vice captain for the toss.