The Investec Ashes 2013 July 24, 2013

Lyon presses for recall as six rested

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Nathan Lyon has the chance to press for a Test match recall against Sussex this week as Australia named a hodgepodge XI for the three-day match starting on Friday that includes the Hampshire Academy scholar Ashton Turner, one of three spinners in the team.

The decision to rest the captain Michael Clarke, plus his deputy Brad Haddin, Shane Watson, Chris Rogers, Peter Siddle and Ryan Harris has bizarrely left a 16-man squad - minus the injured James Pattinson and the absent David Warner - two players short of the numbers required for the tour match, forcing the Western Australian Turner to be included while the young South Australia batsman Travis Head is 12th man. Ashton Agar is selected despite carrying a hip injury through the Lord's Test.

While the likes of Matthew Wade, Mitchell Starc and Jackson Bird will all be pushing for recalls and bowling allrounder James Faulkner straining for a Test debut, Lyon has the chance to regain his Test place after being treated rather brusquely by the selectors for the second tour in succession. In India Lyon was dropped following the first Test in Chennai despite claiming four wickets at some cost, and rebounded with career-best figures in the fourth Test of the series.

Yet he again found himself surplus to requirements at the start of the Investec Ashes, as the left-arm spin of 19-year-old Agar was preferred. While Agar made himself an instant hero by stroking his way to a memorable 98 from No. 11 at Trent Bridge, his understandable struggles to make an impact as a fledgling spin bowler suggest that Lyon will again be called upon as the fall-back option.

Lyon took his demotion for Agar with remarkable grace and was among the most excited figures on the Nottingham balcony when his spin rival played his incredible innings. But he admitted it had been hard to take, particularly as he had started the tour in fine wicket-taking form.

"It's not easy to cop when you're playing Test match cricket," Lyon said. "To be left out of the Australian team for an Ashes Test match is not that easy to take but that comes down to the personality of the person. I believe you still have to give for the team.

"I'm just trying to put the ball into the same spot and trying to get some good drop and bounce. I'm really happy with the way they're coming out, actually. Best I've bowled in a long time. I believe my best ball can get the best batters in the world out. The thing is that I have to keep doing that over and over and over."

At Lord's, Lyon said he sat thinking about how he would bowl at England's batsmen while mixing the drinks with his fellow reserve Starc, who would also prove a useful ally for the offspinner should both play at Old Trafford due to the footmarks he can create outside off stump.

"I've been sitting there with Mitch Starc just mixing the hydrolyte just talking about it how we'd go about it if we were out there," Lyon said. "I'm thinking about that every cricket game, definitely. I'm definitely ready. I'll have to come out at Hove and bowl well and enjoy it firstly and really get this momentum swinging around for Australia."

Turner, who will make his first-class debut, has been playing for Chichester Priory Park as part of the development programme run by Cricket Australia and Hampshire. He has taken 18 wickets at an average of 40.78 for the Sussex Premier League club this season.

Australians to play Sussex: Ed Cowan (capt), Phillip Hughes, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith, Matthew Wade (wkt), James Faulkner, Ashton Agar, Ashton Turner, Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon, Jackson Bird. 12th man: Travis Head.

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • on July 26, 2013, 11:41 GMT

    The Agar ploy appeared to pay off as Aus took a first innings lead in the first test. Agar kept things reasonably tight with the ball but was fairly innocuous. However he is definitely one that will come on for the experience. With Agar unable to take wickets Lyon is certain to be included for the third game. Hughes bafflingly moved from #6 where he made a good 81* to #3 where he predictably failed again. Watson failed again after showing good form in the warmups (surprise surprise) but is hanging on by a thread due to his bowling, where lack of wickets really don't do him justice. Still believe Cowan can do slightly better and Smith can make up a few extra bowling overs.

    My personal Xi for the 3rd Test: Rogers, Cowan, Khawaja, Smith, Clarke, Hughes, Haddin, Siddle, Harris, Lyon, Bird.

  • alstar2281 on July 24, 2013, 23:04 GMT

    Look at the preceeding tour games. Agar out bowled both Lyon and Ahmed & earn't the spot. Those who know abit about spin bowling rate him very highly. As for those saying Swan has this many wickets so it proves Agar is no good, look at the match situations. Swan has bowled the 2nd & 4th innings in both test matches against a batting line up that is fragile and down in confidence. Agar has bowled 1st & 3rd innings. Yes he bowled the third at Lords and it started to turn sharpely but England's batsmen are in great touch and the didn't need to force the pace against him. It is hard for a spinner to take wickets when he has no run support and a tired fast bowling unit. Lets not forget the injury.

  • Jaffa79 on July 24, 2013, 15:00 GMT

    Love him or hate him, Nathan Lyon (who seems like a decent bloke) has been treated abysmally. Firstly, dropped for Doherty, then fast tracking Ahmed and picking a green 19 year old kid in front of him, despite a not too bad record. He isn't a world beater but he deserves better! On another note, that Aus XI looks very light on batting! If they get rolled (not sure if Sussex will pick their first XI or rest a few themselves) but if they lost or got skittled out cheaply, it would mount even more pressure on the Aussie squad. Where is Watson? He has technical problems, so get out in the middle mate! If he wants to rest, just don't bowl him! Unless he is injured, he should be demanding to play.

  • on July 26, 2013, 7:50 GMT

    In a team that is desperate for stability Lyon's treatment by selectors is damaging and bizarre in equal measure. His average for a spinner of his age is quite good and would be better if Wade did his job right. Lyon is not going to be a history making spinner but until that player turns up, unless he is injured or completely loses form, Lyon should be our first pick spinner for each test. Lets put it this way, if our batters were as accomplished at batting as Lyon is at spin bowling we would be looking at a much stronger test side at the monent.

  • ABHI-123 on July 26, 2013, 6:29 GMT

    Its funny how a team like Australia with all their fast bowling talent don't seem to know what to do with their spin bowling option. Shane Warne was a legend and you do not replace legends.. India had Kumble going out and took Harbhajan's career with him. But we have persisted with Ashwin who has had a few bad series but its important you identify your strong players. I am OK with a green horn fast bowler but you need years of bowling to fine tune the art of spin bowling. Give agar all the first class exposure he needs then he may be a good bet to play Test cricket. You will kill his class if Aussies keep on persisting with Agar so early and might damage his confidence if he keeps on going without wicket for few more tests, Lyon on the other hand is competent and should get a longer run.. and why have they not given even a match to Steven o'keefe?

  • on July 26, 2013, 4:39 GMT

    @SirViv1973 and @Mikey Camporese - Right now Aus needs players who can bat out 30-40 overs at the top and get a decent 70 odd. Most of the current crop is coming out of T20 and either will not hang around or cannot handle the swing or pace. Katich can, Wade can, Smith can't. Clarke has loads of "i cant work with him" with many people - Watson, SK, Warner. He has to grin and swallow his pride. 5-0 drubbing is bad for the world of cricket, after coming off a 4-0 drubbing in India. On the bowling side, Faulkner is good, he swings well, that is great for English cricket. Pattinson is not 150+ and is single track. His injury might just be a blessing in disguise. But please need a good spinner. Lyon's the best in the side, but it is chalk and cheese between him and Swann.

  • on July 25, 2013, 23:40 GMT

    Watson(last chance), Rogers, Khawaja, Warner, Clarke, Smith, Haddin, Siddle, Harris, Lyon, Bird 12th man Faulkner. If we drop Watson Faulker must come in to strengthen the batting in the tail and provide an allrounder. Cowan could open with Rogers and both be the snails to start the innings and take the shine of the ball for Warner to take the attack up....

  • Dmtc on July 25, 2013, 23:17 GMT

    With Watson rested from the tour match one can only assume he has a sore left leg from all of the LBW dismissals

  • heathrf1974 on July 25, 2013, 22:43 GMT

    @Sailesh Karki Totally agree. You don't pick bit type players for test cricket, you pick specialists. Including wicket keepers. You don't pick the best batting wicket keeper, you pick the best at keeping wickets. The difference could be two or three wickets a match.

  • heathrf1974 on July 25, 2013, 22:40 GMT

    My team for the 3rd test is Watson, Hughes, Warner, Khawaja, Clarke, Smith, Haddin, Siddle, Harris, Lyon, Agar/Bird. Agar or Bird depending on the Ol Trafford wicket. Lyon is Australia's best spinner and should be in side in series with these wickets. He averaged 37 against India in the whitewash which is actually better than Warne's carrer average against India. I'm not saying Lyon is better than Warne, far from it, but he has been treated very poorly by the selectors and he is one player the selectors should stick with. He's only 25 years old. Other spinners such as Fawad and Agar should partner Lyon when they play on wickets with turners.

  • on July 26, 2013, 11:41 GMT

    The Agar ploy appeared to pay off as Aus took a first innings lead in the first test. Agar kept things reasonably tight with the ball but was fairly innocuous. However he is definitely one that will come on for the experience. With Agar unable to take wickets Lyon is certain to be included for the third game. Hughes bafflingly moved from #6 where he made a good 81* to #3 where he predictably failed again. Watson failed again after showing good form in the warmups (surprise surprise) but is hanging on by a thread due to his bowling, where lack of wickets really don't do him justice. Still believe Cowan can do slightly better and Smith can make up a few extra bowling overs.

    My personal Xi for the 3rd Test: Rogers, Cowan, Khawaja, Smith, Clarke, Hughes, Haddin, Siddle, Harris, Lyon, Bird.

  • alstar2281 on July 24, 2013, 23:04 GMT

    Look at the preceeding tour games. Agar out bowled both Lyon and Ahmed & earn't the spot. Those who know abit about spin bowling rate him very highly. As for those saying Swan has this many wickets so it proves Agar is no good, look at the match situations. Swan has bowled the 2nd & 4th innings in both test matches against a batting line up that is fragile and down in confidence. Agar has bowled 1st & 3rd innings. Yes he bowled the third at Lords and it started to turn sharpely but England's batsmen are in great touch and the didn't need to force the pace against him. It is hard for a spinner to take wickets when he has no run support and a tired fast bowling unit. Lets not forget the injury.

  • Jaffa79 on July 24, 2013, 15:00 GMT

    Love him or hate him, Nathan Lyon (who seems like a decent bloke) has been treated abysmally. Firstly, dropped for Doherty, then fast tracking Ahmed and picking a green 19 year old kid in front of him, despite a not too bad record. He isn't a world beater but he deserves better! On another note, that Aus XI looks very light on batting! If they get rolled (not sure if Sussex will pick their first XI or rest a few themselves) but if they lost or got skittled out cheaply, it would mount even more pressure on the Aussie squad. Where is Watson? He has technical problems, so get out in the middle mate! If he wants to rest, just don't bowl him! Unless he is injured, he should be demanding to play.

  • on July 26, 2013, 7:50 GMT

    In a team that is desperate for stability Lyon's treatment by selectors is damaging and bizarre in equal measure. His average for a spinner of his age is quite good and would be better if Wade did his job right. Lyon is not going to be a history making spinner but until that player turns up, unless he is injured or completely loses form, Lyon should be our first pick spinner for each test. Lets put it this way, if our batters were as accomplished at batting as Lyon is at spin bowling we would be looking at a much stronger test side at the monent.

  • ABHI-123 on July 26, 2013, 6:29 GMT

    Its funny how a team like Australia with all their fast bowling talent don't seem to know what to do with their spin bowling option. Shane Warne was a legend and you do not replace legends.. India had Kumble going out and took Harbhajan's career with him. But we have persisted with Ashwin who has had a few bad series but its important you identify your strong players. I am OK with a green horn fast bowler but you need years of bowling to fine tune the art of spin bowling. Give agar all the first class exposure he needs then he may be a good bet to play Test cricket. You will kill his class if Aussies keep on persisting with Agar so early and might damage his confidence if he keeps on going without wicket for few more tests, Lyon on the other hand is competent and should get a longer run.. and why have they not given even a match to Steven o'keefe?

  • on July 26, 2013, 4:39 GMT

    @SirViv1973 and @Mikey Camporese - Right now Aus needs players who can bat out 30-40 overs at the top and get a decent 70 odd. Most of the current crop is coming out of T20 and either will not hang around or cannot handle the swing or pace. Katich can, Wade can, Smith can't. Clarke has loads of "i cant work with him" with many people - Watson, SK, Warner. He has to grin and swallow his pride. 5-0 drubbing is bad for the world of cricket, after coming off a 4-0 drubbing in India. On the bowling side, Faulkner is good, he swings well, that is great for English cricket. Pattinson is not 150+ and is single track. His injury might just be a blessing in disguise. But please need a good spinner. Lyon's the best in the side, but it is chalk and cheese between him and Swann.

  • on July 25, 2013, 23:40 GMT

    Watson(last chance), Rogers, Khawaja, Warner, Clarke, Smith, Haddin, Siddle, Harris, Lyon, Bird 12th man Faulkner. If we drop Watson Faulker must come in to strengthen the batting in the tail and provide an allrounder. Cowan could open with Rogers and both be the snails to start the innings and take the shine of the ball for Warner to take the attack up....

  • Dmtc on July 25, 2013, 23:17 GMT

    With Watson rested from the tour match one can only assume he has a sore left leg from all of the LBW dismissals

  • heathrf1974 on July 25, 2013, 22:43 GMT

    @Sailesh Karki Totally agree. You don't pick bit type players for test cricket, you pick specialists. Including wicket keepers. You don't pick the best batting wicket keeper, you pick the best at keeping wickets. The difference could be two or three wickets a match.

  • heathrf1974 on July 25, 2013, 22:40 GMT

    My team for the 3rd test is Watson, Hughes, Warner, Khawaja, Clarke, Smith, Haddin, Siddle, Harris, Lyon, Agar/Bird. Agar or Bird depending on the Ol Trafford wicket. Lyon is Australia's best spinner and should be in side in series with these wickets. He averaged 37 against India in the whitewash which is actually better than Warne's carrer average against India. I'm not saying Lyon is better than Warne, far from it, but he has been treated very poorly by the selectors and he is one player the selectors should stick with. He's only 25 years old. Other spinners such as Fawad and Agar should partner Lyon when they play on wickets with turners.

  • on July 25, 2013, 17:25 GMT

    The team I would select for the third test: Batting order: Openers: Watson & Rogers; 3: Warner (or Cowan if DW not available); 4: Steve Smith; 5: Clarke; 6: Wade; 7: Haddin; 8: Faulkner; 9: Agar; 10: Lyon; 11: Turner. Wicket Keeper: Wade (when faster bowler is operating); Haddin (when a spinner is bowling). Bowlers: New Ball: Faulkner & Watson (3 overs only); 1st change: Lyon; 2nd change: Agar; 3rd change: Turner; Change bowler: Smith

  • on July 25, 2013, 15:47 GMT

    D.Warner , S.Watson , U.Khuwaja , G.Maxwell , M.Clarke , S.Smith , B.Haddin , R.Harris , M.Starc , F.Ahmed , P.Siddle

    D.W , G.M & F.A need to be in the playing XI on the back of gud performances in Team A as well as M.S cuz of the ability to swing both ways at good pace.This young bowler should be backed by the coach. Where as G.M & S.S provide the batting depth as well as bowling options do not forget that G.M started off his career as Off-spiner.

  • RandomWickets on July 25, 2013, 14:21 GMT

    Totally bewildered by this one. I can understand resting the bowlers and Clarke for his back, but surely every batsman desperately needs as much practice as they can get? I suppose they want to compare Agar and Lyon, but I hope Agar has completely recovered. Australia is going to need every bowler they have in this series as I fear they will have plenty more to do when Cook and Trott find some form.

  • reddawn1975 on July 25, 2013, 14:10 GMT

    Agar is an excellent spin bowler and i think he will prove alot of people very wrong in his very very long career ahead

  • Amith_S on July 25, 2013, 14:03 GMT

    @Samit i think you will notice that Lyon will come through for us, he just needs confidence shown for the rest of the series. And yes agree with you that the likes of Khawaja and Smith will be key for our batting and are playing better now that they have a coach showing confidence in them.

  • Micky.Panda on July 25, 2013, 13:57 GMT

    I have to agree that Katich should never have been out of the Australian squad. He was clearly the best batsman over 3 years at the time. As to Agar needing a support bowler, consider the ashes that Australia lost while Warne still performed admirably well with little or no support (McGrath was injured). The English clearly don't like leg-spin, and did not even handle Smith at all well (a really part time spinner). If Agar is out, Ahmed is the obvious next try. He could just make great difficulties for the English. Bird should be in this side too. Starc has never done anything in performance to really demand selection.

  • ScottStevo on July 25, 2013, 13:22 GMT

    @whofriggincares, I disagree, it's not time for Lyon to be recalled. There's no point. There's obviosly a lack of confidence in his abilities (granted too considering he was basically ineffectual against India and has generally struggled on days 4/5 of test matches to produce or even threaten to take wickets at Aus's detriment - see SA series in Aus). We've now made the tough choice and selected Agar. If he's our future, then why mess him around waiting in the wings for 3-4 years "learning his craft" in domestic cricket? He'll have to learn the hard way and as supporters, we need to understand that we've recognised that he's a talent, but he's young and he needs time. We need to give him time and learn from the mistakes made with Hauritz and Lyon that a they're not S Warne overnight and b it takes time for spinners to get to grips with test cricket, especially one so young. If it's anything to you, I wouldn't have selected him for the first test but had him in the squad for experience

  • on July 25, 2013, 13:16 GMT

    Its totally not wise to select bowlers on the basis of their limited ability to bat and Lyon certainly threatens with the bowl much more than Agar does.

  • kohomban on July 25, 2013, 11:44 GMT

    Australia's selectors should look at those players Pat Cummins , Josh Hazlewood, Nic Maddinson,Cameron Boyce,Joe Burns,Alister McDermott,Travis Head ,Joe Mennie,Chadd Sayers,Jordan Silk ,Steven Reid,Cameron Bancroft,William Bosisto,Ashton Turner ,Tom Triffitt,

  • goldeneraaus on July 25, 2013, 10:58 GMT

    Sorry alstar2281 but one of your points is completely off- Agar did NOT have no support, a tiring attack yes but by and large they have bowled tremendously this series, its been the pathetic scores posted, plus the rest you mentioned which dimmed his effectiveness. Nonetheless he was certainly prematurely picked seein as Lyon bowled well in the tour games and was the incumbent. I suppose better to risk him at the start than the end, hopefully Lyon can bowl well and let Agar and Ahmed learn their craft further and then truly earn their place, not just because they turn the ball away from the deluge of English right handers.. Lyon has been treated poorly for someone who has done astonishingly well given his youth

  • on July 25, 2013, 10:41 GMT

    For 3rd Match, Roher, Pattinson, Agar, Hughes OUT Warner, Faulkner, Lyon, Katich/Bailey IN

  • whofriggincares on July 25, 2013, 10:30 GMT

    @salazar555, "average" players don't make 98 on debut against Swann and Anderson in any batting position let alone number 11! Having said that I couldn't agree more with @jb633 re the selectors. Lyon has been shafted yet again. He deserved to be given first crack in this series considering the sub continent type pitches being served up . I questioned Agar's selection in the first test because I didn't think he was ready to impact on the series against Englands top order at this stage in his career. I am glad I got to witness one of the most remarkable test innings I have seen but it's time to get Lyon back in, Agar has plenty of time in the future and I have little doubt he will enjoy a successful career. I cant believe I read the words "I have to agree with @FFL" on this blog. I honestly thought I would never read those words! I hope Haddin's bad miss off Root in the second test doesn't kick start his career as an opener. Lets be honest he has looked shaky at best against the new bal

  • Chad950 on July 25, 2013, 10:20 GMT

    Whatever happened to Nathan Hauritz? He was dropped for the 5th test of the 2009 series despite not doing anything wrong when most people said that was a mistake. Is he someone else whose face didnt fit?

  • ramkip on July 25, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    What activities that the six players have done to get "rest"? Nothing gives better confidence than the match practice. Katich and Warner should be back in the squad. They should also think about Glen Maxwell. Warner and Maxwell got big hundreds under their belt. I won't say that they will do the same in England but at least once in 5-6 innings they may score.

  • on July 25, 2013, 10:01 GMT

    @charlie101.My point is Charlie that every spinner should relish being played with such care as it allows to bowl with a slip and some close catchers to boot and realistically,every middle order batsmen worth his salt should try to dominate spinners otherwise they are endangering their wicket.Spinners cannot be ground down with defensive cricket like seamers as their bowling is less energy intensive and playing them with too much respect allows them to bowl long spells and swing the odds in their favour.The only domineering type player that strikes fear into bowlers that England have is KP (the rest are respected) though not for the next test and I just have the feeling that England will play Lyon too cautiously. This is where Nathan Lyon can contribute to our cause IMO and get a respectable 4+ wickets for the match in those vital middle overs for OZ.Incidentally, Australia will have to find a way to dominate Swan also because just letting him bowl the way he likes will spell disaster.

  • siltbreeze on July 25, 2013, 9:58 GMT

    Australia's team selection mirrors their use of DRS, and perhaps reflects their coach's personality - they go on instinct and gut feel. England used to guess their best 11 too. And we lost. A lot. For all his brilliant and fearless batting at Trent Bridge, Agar should not have been picked ahead of the incumbent spinner who took 9 wickets in his last Test. Thankfully, this is the sort of thing England don't do any more. I love the kid's attitude, but Agar gets few revs on the ball and doesn't finish his action. Lyon has been remarkably magnanimous about his treatment.

  • Malx on July 25, 2013, 9:52 GMT

    Lyons will be in the side if he takes a couple, Agar needs to play for Australia A. Rogers & Haddin are a waste , both players are past it. Why not Katich ?? Whatever happens, the batting line up needs to step up and be postive, stop all this blocking & play for my postion stuff. The batsmen are so scared of Anderson & Swann. We need a miracle!!

  • 64blip on July 25, 2013, 9:37 GMT

    What is it with Australia and spinners post-Warne? Do they unconciously loathe them for not being Shane? They seem determined to undermine each and every one. Even Lehmann has carried on this idiotic treatment by dropping Lyon, who was the man in possession and had done OK in the warm ups, on the eve of the first test and throwing a 19 year old into the mix. Two tests later it's time to discard him and bring back the other guy?

  • on July 25, 2013, 9:35 GMT

    wel what I think Lyon will cause no harm to English batsmen bcz they have swan.they would be practising in the nets with swan and when they will come to bat it would be like zero problem for them to bat and score against Lyon.they should send SOS to ahmed.that lad can cause lot of problem.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 25, 2013, 9:22 GMT

    @Posted by on (July 25, 2013, 7:38 GMT), Inregard to 'tonking' him round the pitch you tend to find that when batsmen have no knowledge of a bowler ,debutants especially, they treat them with a little more respect. Agar looks decent but I suspect he was included as an unknown factor and it worked in the first test. Also the overall 2.96 economy, is not really represenative in the losrds test on a spinning wicket, his economy was around 3.37, and he had a return of 0 wickets.

    I still think Lehmann messed up by not having Lyon in the team for lords, its like leaving Huartiz out of the oval in 2009.

  • Jeremy303 on July 25, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    How can Steve O'Keefe get overlooked for Australia A and the Australia XI?

  • Charlie101 on July 25, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    @ Lyndon McPaul - You have spotted the difference the English batters were steady ( even KP ) in both Tests to date scoring at 2.5 to just over 3 and have won both tests . Where the Aussie batsmen with a few exceptions have gone after the ball and have got out to rash shots , not playing Test cricket on dry difficult pitches . I think you would find in the same circumstances Sangakara , Ambla and Smith playing with great care and not giving away their wickets !!!!!

  • on July 25, 2013, 8:49 GMT

    Seems to me we've got to decide whether to go with full youth movement, or revert immediately back to a side of veterans with a couple of younger champions.

    Cowan, Rogers, Katich, Watson, Clarke, Warner, Haddin, Siddle, Starc, Harris, Lyon

    or

    Hughes, Warner, Khawaja, Smith, Clarke, Doolan, Wade, Faulkner, Starc, Lyon, Bird

  • on July 25, 2013, 8:26 GMT

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/623022.html ... "You have no idea what you are doing here" was the title of article... Seems current Australian selectors, captain have no idea about how to develop a spinner into match-winner. Its absolutely clear that at the moment, Agar is not fully ready as a test match spinner. In fact, its time that Lyon be told that "he is THE spinner till the end of next Ashes, go, just do it!". Please do not expect everyone to produce results like Warne form the word go, for Warne was exceptional (& so was McGill). They seem to be as unaware of how to handle spinner as we Indians were in 60s & 70s about seam bowlers. As regards batting, its sad that team has to go to opener who is almost into his retirement, who could not crash into team when in his prime. Is there no good opener down under? Cowan is past 30, Hughes is also far from being the opener he once promised to be. an Mathew Wade be given an opportunity to play as specialist batsman?

  • on July 25, 2013, 7:50 GMT

    GO FOR YOUTH.C Rogers an B Haddin are past it.Give M Clark 2 years an with his back he'll be thinking retiring

  • on July 25, 2013, 7:44 GMT

    This has to be funniest thing ever - Ed Cowan is captain after being dropped for the test!

  • on July 25, 2013, 7:38 GMT

    @Optic &Frontfoot..I'll back Lyon to do well against the English accumulators (worthy of respect though they may be) thank you very much because of my experience watching him against a lot more attacking opposition and succeeding. Look at the 19 yr old who bowled through injury in the 2nd test, took a couple in the first and to top it all off spanked the English bowlers all round the park. He has an economy rate of 2.95. That is hardly something to crowe about as an English batsmen. Would Sangakarra, Hashim Amla, Michael Clarke (hypotheitically), Graham Smith, AB Devilliers be happy with such modest returns from such a raw debutant? I would like to think that any one of those enterprising batsmen would expect to be tonking the kid for around 5 an over. At this rate of scoring from Agar, Lyon would have every reason to feel confident being 50% more economical and more than twice as potent wicketwise. The Ashes aint over till it's over and Any Oz supporter should know this as well.

  • Charlie101 on July 25, 2013, 7:35 GMT

    Watson would have scored runs in this match rather like he scored runs against Wocestershire in the practice match . I am afraid he is found out against International Test bowling and the right descision has been made to work on his batting in the nets . I do not think the problem will be cured and it may help him to 40 or 50 more runs in the next test . I still do not understand why Watson is not picked as an all rounder to bat at 6 and if he can not bowl then play Faulkner.

  • KaRaN_24 on July 25, 2013, 7:28 GMT

    According to me, Lyon is not the one who can intimidate the Brits .... they should rather look to strengthen their pace attack a bit ... wonder where Hilfenhaus is ... he is a brilliant swing bowler and also James Faulkner who was outstanding in IPL ... And coming to their batting i fail to understand why is G Bailey not featuring in this Test side ... he is better than khawaja and hughes ...also they should bring in Ed Cowan , he has good Test match temprament !!!

  • Vinod_Villager on July 25, 2013, 7:06 GMT

    Well blooding new youngesters is always a good sign for any team going through rebuilding phase after a generation of brilliant cricketers has recently bid adieu to the game. Agar is a good prospet for Australia and should be given more chances to improve as bowler in international arena. For Lyon his poor form with bowl has led to his ouster from the team though je took wickets on Indian tour but the strike rate was considerably high. He is a good bowlwr and who know if he can stage a comeback through the coming practice match with Sussex.

  • on July 25, 2013, 7:05 GMT

    How does Steve O'Keefe not make either the Australia A side in South Africa or Australians England? Agar, Lyon, Ahmed, Beer, Doherty, Holland are all above him in the pecking order... guess who has the best average? O'Keefe.

  • Timmuh on July 25, 2013, 6:19 GMT

    @Milhouse79, Watson is staying in London where he is supposedly working on technical issues in the nets. I agree he should be playing, and if he gets out early then working on those issues in the nets until its time to field. Match time often beats net time in these situations but I guess the choice was made to have somebody in his ear every time he just plants the front foot. That such a large squad is resting so many after such dismal performances is a surprise, but with Clarke's back, Harris' history and Pattinson and Warner gone I guess it is almost understandable. Rogers and Haddin need the match time too though.

  • scarab666 on July 25, 2013, 5:59 GMT

    @featurewriter......Robson is a great choice as opener but his allegiance now is with England and you can thank Cricket NSW for that. He has the best technique and temperament to play test match cricket but unfortunately CA want more flamboyant cricketers in their team a la Warner etc....

  • venkatesh018 on July 25, 2013, 5:46 GMT

    Dropping Lyon for the first Two tests must go down as one of the most bizarre decisions of this tour

  • on July 25, 2013, 5:29 GMT

    Lyon certain deserves another shot. I think he is just finally starting to mature as a bowler. The last game in India was the best I have seen him bowl and he has looked good in the warm ups in england. I just hope that the inclusion of 6 bowlers doesn't mean he gets less overs. Surely the extra batsman would have been preferred, given they are the ones looking for form.

  • abhijitaustralia on July 25, 2013, 5:19 GMT

    Pick George Bailey, David Hussey, Simon Katich and M. Johnson in the Ashes Squad. They are much more batter players then Ed Cowan, Phillip Hughes, Usman Khawaja etc...

  • on July 25, 2013, 4:52 GMT

    pick Fawad for Win Aussies

  • Chetan007 on July 25, 2013, 4:50 GMT

    The main difference between the two team is Australia need a better spinner and a few consistent pace bowlers while England have only one good pace bowler in Anderson but other were consistent and we all know about swan. If Australia can able to improve on that, then only they can able to beat England....

  • on July 25, 2013, 4:36 GMT

    Both Rogers and Haddin were put back in the Australian side for their experience both as players and leaders and I'm a fan of both players but we are now two down and unlikely to win from here not impossible but unlikely, so my question is, is there any point playing either Rogers or Haddin since they havent had the impact we were looking for. Should we not just look towards the future and not always look backwards for help on the future and I remember our current coach leaving the Australian team for the sole reason of giving the next generation his place even though he could have played on himself and was in good form. I hope his outlook for the team hasn't changed from the selfless player he was..... I'm sure it hasn't.

  • 2MikeGattings on July 25, 2013, 4:10 GMT

    What I've seen of Lyon he is a decent bowler, in fact better than Hauritz who was also pretty handy but sometimes fell to pieces when attacked. The Aussie side would definitely be better for having him in it.

    It seems inevitable that one batsman will make way for Warner so there's a bit of a shoot out between Hughes, Khawaja, and Smith. In my view Khawaja would be desperately unlucky to miss out, but the selectors seem to have shown him very little faith in him - the Australian Ramprakash. Perhaps they don't rate his temperament. Hughes doesn't seem to have to do much to stay in the side despite his manifest weaknesses so I wouldn't be surprised if they persist with him.

  • xtrafalgarx on July 25, 2013, 3:55 GMT

    Nathan Lyon has become one of my favourite cricketers over the past two years. No non-sense type character who seems quiet but has a big heart and believes in himself, i can see why Hussey picked him as the song leader and branded him the "beating heart of the Australian side."

  • Jeremy303 on July 25, 2013, 3:46 GMT

    It's really quite baffling. Why would CA pull the strings of the Australian Immigration Department to get Fawad Ahmed his citizenship ahead of schedule when they won't select him for their squad? This is particularly bizarre when you consider that he got a 8 wicket haul in his last tour match and Australia is in dire need of a front line spinner? I'm not saying that fast tracking his citizenship was the correct thing to do, far from it, but now that they have gone this far why wouldn't they select him? Also, the guy is now 31... surely you'd want to get the last few good years of cricket left in him. BTW: I agree that Lyon should be given a go, but Ahmed should have been one of the players in the squad pushing for selection in this upcoming county game. Instead he is in another continent with the A team.

  • Wefinishthis on July 25, 2013, 3:40 GMT

    When will the national inquiry into the omission of Steve O'Keefe begin? Had he been selected last ashes series (where he dominated against this England lineup in a warm-up match), we could have saved ourselves the embarassment of Beer, Doherty, Lyon and now Agar. It should always have been O'Keefe as the spinner. So how's that 100+-runs/wicket Agar selection looking vs the 26 runs/wicket O'Keefe going for you selectors? I'd like a new review/inquiry/report specifically for the SOK.

  • VivGilchrist on July 25, 2013, 3:35 GMT

    I really don't see the purpose of adding Turner. Australia want to get overs into Lyon, so why have 3 starting spinners? In fact, Smith makes 4. With only 4 batsman and a wk, Head should come in for Turner at 6. Why go in with 6 bowlers in a 3 day game when they are all trying to get some rhythm?

  • Chris_P on July 25, 2013, 3:20 GMT

    @yorkshire-86. Agree that Katich is still one of the best around, I have always been a huge supporter of his & he did draw the rough end of the pineapple when he was eased out, but we still should be looking to the future. It is going to be a rough few years, this turnaround won't be happening as quickly as the mid 80's crisis for the simple reason you stated re: batting techniques. And no batsman is hammering shield attacks in our domestic competition, or when they are, CA simply bring in the BBL in the middle of a test series for 2 months while first class players go stagnant (see Doolan's stats pre & post BBL). In essence, a batsman has to make 2 starts to a season (if you have played cricket you know how tough the first couple of games are to get "in the groove).

  • on July 25, 2013, 2:55 GMT

    I thought you were only supposed to rest in-form batsmen. The Australian Circus continues!

  • mondotv on July 25, 2013, 2:46 GMT

    Well my Aus pace attack has always been Bird, Starc and Siddle. Three very different bowlers all offering something special. Harris is great but at the end of his career while Bird has the potential to be another McGrath.. what better place to make a name for himself than in the Ashes. And people are talking about how poorly done by Lyon is - what about Starc? 5 wickets at Trentbridge, a match winning performance against Sri Lanka last year in Tassie and dropped both times for the next test match.. puzzling and damaging for a young player still learning the ropes. As far as the batting line up goes it's a shambles. As an Aussie fan I'm very disappointed Watson and Clarke aren't playing the tour match - both badly needed to spend some time actually batting in a match.

  • darsh127 on July 25, 2013, 2:27 GMT

    This should be playing XI : Agar ( top aussie run scorer, lol) , Watson, Rogers, Khawaja, Clarke, Smith, Haddin, Siddle, Harris, Bird/ Starc, Lyon

  • on July 25, 2013, 1:54 GMT

    Did G Maxwell make his own overnight comment on the selection of Ashton Turner to play in an Aussie side? I hope G-Max takes a few wickets tonight... the same as I hope Kat pounds another hundred in County before the third Test.

  • Andy500265 on July 25, 2013, 1:19 GMT

    @yorkshire-86: Bit harsh on Eddie Cowan, especially considering he spent half the first test puking his guts up.

  • Liquefierrrr on July 25, 2013, 0:55 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Lunge, I must agree with you.

    As an Australian, and one who has warred with you at times over several of your OTT statements on cricinfo, it angers me that Australian posters don't measure their statements more carefully.

    Given the 2-0 result, and the fact that, aside from some freakish tail-end batting, our efforts with the blade have been absolutely horrifying, it should engender some more discipline from posters.

    The days where we could speak and post with absolutely bold and justified confidence are dead, certainly for now and the mid-term future. England have ground us down, as is their way, however if you look at England's run-rate (excluding extras) it is 2.84 for the series thus far. That's around 47 runs per 100 balls. That's reasonable.

    Not only that, they've scored runs when the going was tough, meaning the rate naturally declined. If the only thing their batsmen are guilty of is not putting on a t20 exhibition I'd take that any day over whatever we've done.

  • T.M.M on July 25, 2013, 0:44 GMT

    Agar cannot bowl. No point hanging on to Rogers. Aus XI should be : 1. Ed Cowan 2. Shane Watson 3. David Warner 4. Usman Khawaja 5. Michael Clarke 6. Haddin 7. Smith 8. Wade 9. Siddle 10. Harris 11. Lyons

  • funkybluesman on July 25, 2013, 0:35 GMT

    Re: salazar555 Don't write off Agar yet. He actually out-bowled Swann in the first test. Ignoring the first innings where he barely bowled, in the second he got two wickets (and should have had three) against a better batting lineup than Swann was bowling too and Swann completely lacked penetration.

    In the second test, Agar was struggling after hurting his hip diving while fielding, but the more important distinction was no Mitchell Starc. So while Swann had lovely footmarks to aim at against all those left-handers, Agar was bowling onto an untouched pitch.

    And also, look at Swann's victims. One big issue with so many of the Aussie batsmen is having no clue against spin, while the English batsmen are fresh off beating India in India.

    And also, don't forget that even the great Shane Warne's record looked pretty abysmal after his first couple of tests. After his first 18 months he still averaged over 40. So don't be too quick to judge him on his first couple of tests.

  • scarab666 on July 25, 2013, 0:27 GMT

    Aus XI....... 1.Cowan 2. Rogers 3. Khawaja 4. Clarke 5. Warner 6. Smith 7. Paine 8. Siddle 9. Harris 10. Bird 11. Lyon/Agar 12th man Faulkner. This line up will work provided we change our gun ho approach to batting a la T20 style. Our batsmen should not have a strike rate nearing 100 like Watson does, most of the England batsman will be around 50 and if Cowan, Rogers and Khawaja are allowed to bat naturally they will score 100's. Tim Paine is the future keeper for Australia, he can bat and a better gloveman than Wade. Pattinson and Starc out as they cannot maintain good line and length, too erratic and aggressive. Lyon deserves his place, he's done nothing wrong and Agar is the future but at 19 he needs more shield time to develop. Note.....Warne averaged 150 in his first test series ( India)bowling and look what happened to his career long term.

  • featurewriter on July 24, 2013, 23:57 GMT

    I'd look outside the current Australian squad for the remaining Test matches. Anyone happen to see the early results from the Australia A tour of Africa and some first class results in England? My starting 11 would be: Robson (Middlesex), Rogers, Katich, Clarke, Watson, Warner, Haddin, Harris, Siddle, Cummins, Ahmed. The 11 they'll no doubt roll out at OT though will be: Rogers, Watson, Hughes, Khawaja, Clarke, Smith, Haddin, Siddle, Harris, Bird, Lyon. So expect to be down 3-0.

  • xylo on July 24, 2013, 23:44 GMT

    I can accept Agar being a replacement for Warner, slog to glory, and bowl a little. But definitely not Lyon.

  • on July 24, 2013, 23:35 GMT

    Both teams should pick two spinners - Swann and Kerrigan for Eng, Lyon and Agar for Aus. Looking at recent matches at O.T., it's a little bit variable - there was a bit of a broken match the other week, where Northants got bowled out for 62. But in the most recent match, it looked like a seamers' graveyard, and a paradise for batsmen and spinners. Kerrigan took 12 wickets, and even Nathan McCullum took a five-fer, but the batsmen racked up over 1000 runs in the first innings.

  • lisadb99 on July 24, 2013, 23:32 GMT

    salazar555 - Shane Warne took 1 for 160(ish) in his first Test. Glad we gave him a bit ofa go ..........

  • alstar2281 on July 24, 2013, 23:06 GMT

    As for resting blokes. Wasn't Haddin recalled because he was a better keeper then Wade? I don't remember Wade watching an edge sail past him to the boundry twice in the same match like Hads did. Watson is probably beeter of in the nets to iron out his technique. Clarke's back is stuffed again apparently, I don't think he has looked fit in either test. With all the talk of a lack of Batsmen in Australia, why are we playing three spinners (4 with Smith) and making a young batsmen 12th man? Would have thought it was a great opportunity to give a young bloke some experience, especially when neither is in line for a test match spot.

  • SirViv1973 on July 24, 2013, 22:55 GMT

    @Yorkshire - 86, No one least of all me is questioning SK ability. I am mearly pointing out that there is zero chance of him playing in this series given his age, the fact he fell out with Clarke & that he is not even attached to a shield team. To my mind he has not even come out & made himself available so even if CA approached him there is every chance he would say no particularly given the way he was dumped in 2011. As for Rogers, when the squad was picked there was scope to bring in an an older experienced batsman but only 1, not several. Perhaps had Lehman been put in charge earlier he may have thought Katich was a better bet than Rogers & sounded him out about playing, but the squad was already finalized when he took over & CR had already been selected. The other thing for me is that no matter how bad things get for Aus they just cant keep looking to the past, it can be argued that they are in this mess bcoz they did not blood their younger batsman sooner.

  • on July 24, 2013, 22:49 GMT

    @EveryonewhowondersabouttheteamtoplaySussex...I think it is tactical genius to put the fringe players of our squad under some pressure whilst resting the certainties. Players like Starc will have to step up to 'spearhead status' and all the batsmen will be forced to prize their wicket. James Faulkner will also be given a chance to display his talents with bat and ball and will have to play as the 3rd seamer. This is exactly what these players need to bring whatever talent and mental fortitude they have to the fore. There'll be absolutely no passengers and I think it is brilliant by Lehmann as he also has potential bowling inclusions from the SA A games up his sleeve as well! Even if they lose this game the players will at least learn about themselves under pressure!

  • Ozcricketwriter on July 24, 2013, 22:43 GMT

    In spite of Agar now having a worse record than either Doherty or even Beer, I can't see him being dropped for the 3rd test. For me, Lyon comes in for Pattinson, with Hughes making way for perhaps Wade, and Haddin playing as a specialist batsman. That is what I hear is going to happen and I believe it. I'd like to see Faulkner in the side for the next test but it just doesn't look likely.

  • landl47 on July 24, 2013, 22:35 GMT

    It should be an interesting game. The Australian bowlers will be putting in maximum effort to try and win a place for the next test and James Taylor will be hoping to make an impact in case KP is not fit, so this will have more edge than the average friendly.

    It's very strange to see Cowan, who has been dropped for poor form, captaining the side. It's also strange to see a side with so little batting- only 4 batsmen plus Wade. Then there is a bowler who is making his first-class debut while averaging over 40 in club cricket.

    All in all, like the rest of the tour so far, you'd have to say it's a bit of a mess.

  • Optic on July 24, 2013, 22:30 GMT

    @Lyndon McPaul Oh please don't show yourself up with ridiculous comments. Even in just this series England's 2 first innings have been 3.60 & 3.64. They did score at 2.5 rpo in the 2nd inning last test, when they were physically & mentally grinding your players to dust and look what happened they folded again. I'd be more worried about you're shower than what England are doing. You obviously can't have watched much test cricket in England the last 5 years because when was the last time a spinner from any country came over here and had any success at all. I'll tell you only one spinner has averaged 30 in the past 5 years and that was Ajmal & he only had one good inning in the 5 he bowled. You name them and they've been spanked, from Herath to Harbhajan Singh, to Mendis to Kaneria to Al Hassan to Tahir. Yet you think that Lyon is going to prove a better proposition to all those. LOL By the way Agar has 2 wickets at 124 going at 3rpo, hardly struggled did we.

  • tick on July 24, 2013, 22:30 GMT

    australian team from 1st match should have been.. Rogers,Cowan,Khawaja,Clarke,Watson,Haddin,Faulkner,Lyon,Harris,Pattinson,Siddle

  • heathrf1974 on July 24, 2013, 22:26 GMT

    I wonder if the English will use a bowling attack of Anderson, Broad, Swann and Panesar for the next turner at Old Trafford?

  • on July 24, 2013, 22:25 GMT

    The Best Aussie xi would be for third test is 1.Ed Cowan 2.Phillip Hughes 3 Usman Khawaja 4 Michcle clarke 5 Shane watsan 6 Chris Roger 7 Brad Haddin(wkt) 8. James Faulkner,9.Ashton Agar10 Nathan Lyon 11 Jackson Bird. 12th man: Michelle Starc.

    If they want to given some sort of fight to England and look to win in coming test matches because I feel they have players but the combination and positions of players are completely wrong.

  • jb633 on July 24, 2013, 22:06 GMT

    I can't understand what the Aus selectors have been playing at for the last 3 years. Truly they are a disgrace. I am not an Australian fan and therefore do not know the ins and outs of all the politics but some of the decisions are just ridiculous. It seems to me like they have dropped Lyon for the ashes based on the mauling that Dhoni gave him in India. Here was a young off spinner on his first tour of India, bowling to without doubt the best players of spin in the globe. He learnt a great deal on that tour and by the end of it he was getting class players out with good balls. I know Aussie fans will hate to admit it but at the minute they can't compare themselves to England.Just because Swann picked up wickets against India, he is at a different stage of his caree to Lyon and their performances on those tours can't be compared. Lyon has decent stats for a spinner starting his career and these pitches would have suited him.

  • Praveen_Rambo on July 24, 2013, 22:00 GMT

    I want some great fight desperately frm our team.. Warner shud open wit Cowan/Rogers,Watson,Clarke,Khwaja/Hughes,Smith,Haddin,Siddle,Starc,Lyon,Harris.. I prefer 2nd specialist spinr as Smith replacing Agar who has bn ripped by d english btsmen..Clarke shud take d charg of 3rd spinr as he cn bowl wit gd variations.. Watson shud b d 4th pacer & dis givs a team of 7 batsmen(warner,cowan/Rogers,watson,clarke,khwaja/Hughes,smith,Haddin).,3 pacers(Siddle,Harris,Stark) 1 specialist pacer(Watson).,1 specialist spinner Lyon 2 partime spinrs(Clarke & Smith).. I prefer Cowan to Rogers & Khwaja to Hughes..

    Dis wud b d ryt combination to strike back to claim/secure d Ashes 2013 frm d English..

    Hpe d bst frm our Team..:)

  • Bonehead_maz on July 24, 2013, 21:59 GMT

    Feel a little sorry for Ashton Turner with all the Agar hype. Last year the two of them were playing for Aust U19's as the 2 spinners. Then WA bought Agar (from Vic) and Turner's still waiting for a first class debut. As if WA are ever going to play 2 spinners ? (and what happens when Beer is fit ?).

    Typical Australian handling of a talented young spin bowler. :(

  • Praveen_Rambo on July 24, 2013, 21:57 GMT

    I want some great fight desperately frm our team..Team need Katich..Since.,hez nt included.,Warner shud open wit Cowan/Rogers-> Watson->Clarke->Khwaja/Hughes->Smith->Haddin->Siddle->Starc->Lyon->Harris.. I prefer 2nd specialist spinr as Smith replacing Agar who has bn ripped by d english btsmen..Clarke shud take d charg of 3rd spinr as he cn bowl wit gd variations.. Watson shud b d 4th pacer & dis givs a team of 7 batsmen(warner,cowan/Rogers,watson,clarke,khwaja/Hughes,smith,Haddin).,3 pacers(Siddle,Harris,Stark) 1 specialist pacer(Watson).,1 specialist spinner Lyon 2 partime spinrs(Clarke & Smith).. I prefer Cowan to Rogers & Khwaja to Hughes..

    Dis wud b d ryt cmbination to strike bck to claim/secure d Ashes 2013..

  • CricketingStargazer on July 24, 2013, 21:50 GMT

    @Adam Peter Phillips

    I have to say that this was my first reaction. You definitely want to see the back-up bowlers because at least one of them will play at Old Trafford. The batsmen though seem to be a different matter.

    With Sussex likely to follow the time-honoured tradition of saying that they will play their "best available XI", which turns out to have 4 or 5 regulars from the 1st XI, a bunch of fringe 2nd XI players and a debutant or two, the batsmen have the opportunity of a good net in the centre and a run transfusion to help their confidence.

  • GeoffreysMother on July 24, 2013, 21:27 GMT

    Lyndon McPaul - Mate , never mind Australian 'teams' - you just have to worry about the current one. Pick the best team you can consistently and back them realistically rather than expecting them to be like the players in the 90's - they have gone., Get your former ' greats' to stop taking cheap shots at them - it just heaps more pressure on them. ... oh and expect that, swings and roundabouts, sometimes someone else will have a better team than Australia. Oh, and tke out the blokes who did the Argus Report and shoot them - most people who looked at it at the time thought it was a joke that didn't face facts or come up with any real solutions.

  • on July 24, 2013, 21:21 GMT

    Why do Haddin, Watson and Rogers need rest??? If you asked me what they didn't need, it would be rest! Rest our bowlers, injured players, but batsmen and keepers who are WAY out of touch? You have to be kidding me?? On top of that, I hope those who aren't playing, are there supporting those that are. Gone are the days of Bradman/Slater/Waugh, on an Ashes TOUR, relishing EVERY chance to pull on the baggy green and improve his game, against whatever opposition...

  • Iddo555 on July 24, 2013, 21:18 GMT

    Agar - Never has so much been said about someone so very average. I keep hearing all this chat about this guy is going to be great. Has no one noticed the guy is averaging 124 runs per wicket. These aren't exactly doing nothing for the spinners either. Swann took 9 wickets at 20 runs per wicket.

    Is this club cricketer really worth all the hype he's getting or am I missing something?

    If I was an Aussie fan he would be the first name I'd be calling for to be kicked out, he's doing ok with the bat but he's been picked to bowl and the bottom line is, he's not very good at it.

  • yorkshire-86 on July 24, 2013, 21:07 GMT

    @SirViv1973 - You want to know why everyone thinks Katich should be in the team? Probably because he is the second best batsman in the country. He was on the top of his game when he was dropped for non-cricketing reasons, and going by his recent First Class scores still is. As for older players, erm, Chris Rogers? Maybe the selectors have finally realised the current crop of 20-25 year olds have too much T20 batting style in thier veins and simply do not have it in them to play a long Test innings. The damage has already been done to them, so they need to pick players with proper batting in their upbringing, and coach the next generation of batsmen how to bat properly. Look at the England team - Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Prior - thats over half the lineup - are over 30. Cook is in his late 20s and dosnt play T20, while Root showed proper technique right up till he had a good chance of hitting his first 200 then blew it by playing, yes, a T20 shot.

  • yorkshire-86 on July 24, 2013, 20:59 GMT

    What kind of a team is that? Someone who dosnt know which end of the bat to hold this series promoted to opener and captain, two twenty twenty sloggers, a keeper, 2 allrounders, then 5 bowlers? And i thought Yorkshire three years ago (1 batsman, 3 keepers, 5 allrounders, 2 bowlers) were bad...

  • lesamourai on July 24, 2013, 20:45 GMT

    Aus XI I'd like to see for OT: 1.Warner 2.Cowan 3.Watson 4.Clarke 5.Rogers 6.Agar 7.Haddin 8.Starc 9.Siddle 10.Harris 11.Lyon.

    Warner & Cowan, for all their faults, were the most successful opening combo in world cricket prior to India and being dropped - mix of flair and grit. Cowan faced the most balls by far of any Aus batsmen in India - he showed the fight we're currently missing. Aus No.3 should be Watson, our best counter-attacking batsman. Clarke, our best batsman should be 4. He likes being followed in by an old hand who can shore up any collapse - was Hussey, now can be Rogers. Agar is Aus top scorer in the series and at Lord's was run out by Haddin & given out when not out or would be further ahead. Definitely in our top 6 batsmen vs Swann. His spin a handy variation on Lyon's offies. Starc for strike power, foot marks, batting. Siddle leader of attack. Harris best bowler at Lord's. Lyon premier spinner & gritty fighter.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on July 24, 2013, 20:44 GMT

    @Lyndon McPaul: Wow, check out the highlights for the series so far as you've obviously missed it along with the run rate. And Agar's bowling which was hammered. You're twenty years too late my friend!

  • Paul_Rampley on July 24, 2013, 19:53 GMT

    Good luck to Lyon, i hope he bowls well as we need our spinners firing given Manchester usually takes a bit of spin. For the batting hopefully the likes of Hughes, Khawaja and Smith get some quality time in the middle as i predict these 3 youngsters to be the main stay of our batting not only in this series but for years to come. Khawaja in particular looked very good last innings in Lords.

  • on July 24, 2013, 19:47 GMT

    Wouldn't include Finch as a solid player. His first class record is abysmal. Agar has been injured and this showed at Lords. I would keep him in if he is fit. Much better all round cricketer than Lyon but also a better bowler. Warner in for Khawaja or Hughes who can't handle Swann and Root. Bird or Starc in for Pattinson. No need for panic. Let the team settle. Chopping and changing doesn't help anyone!

  • on July 24, 2013, 19:43 GMT

    @frontfootlunge...If England's batsmen had any flair like Australian teams have always had then Lyon might have something to fear however any spinner the world over never has to fear England's 'grinding tactics' of boring the bowlers to death by scoring 2 runs an over at no risk. Lyon will be able to keep putting his offies right there or there abouts and by the end of his mid afternoon spell you might be surprised to see he has 2 or maybe even three of England's finest. If they cant get Agar away then there is not much chance of belting Lyon around the park on a turner...Especially with no KP!!

  • gaurav_92 on July 24, 2013, 19:41 GMT

    Need Watson and clarke firing. They are the senior players and need to lead by example. I believe our 10th wicket partnership in thr first test between Agar and Hughes is our highest partnership in this series so far. That tells alot about the standard of batting in the team. A way to improve our batting is to get Warner back in the side. His aggressive play is needed at the top of the order, to dominate Anderson and Broad. He should either open or bat at 3. This puts prssure on Rogers who still he needs to prove his selection with runs, rather than his calming influence. He is a heavy first class scorer but hasn't brought that form into test cricket as yet. My side for the next is: Warner Rogers Watson Clarke Smith Hughes Haddin Siddle Harris Bird Lyon. In: Warner Lyon Bird Out: Khawaja Agar Pattinson (injury)

  • Sunil_Batra on July 24, 2013, 19:32 GMT

    I would pick Lyon, he is on this tour our best spinner, I am not putting Agar down as i see him as a real future prospect for us but for this third test i would lean towards Lyon. Our batting will hopefully click this test too, Khawaja showed some real grit to make a fine 50 and i am hoping for big things from him if the selectors can give him a real run this time, and also watching out for Smith and Watson to convert their scores too.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on July 24, 2013, 19:09 GMT

    Finally, the player England's batsmen have been rubbing their hands together most to bat against, Lyon, will get a game in the smackeroo contest that is the current Australian bowling attack. Lyon, who really only bowls 60 mph straight up seamers, is always a bowler to target, as MS Dhoni will no doubt be able to recall. Swann is just a country mile apart, just like the two teams in this 2013 Ashes series.

  • on July 24, 2013, 19:06 GMT

    Turner. What a great name for a spinner.

  • on July 24, 2013, 18:28 GMT

    I can't see why they'd go back to Lyon when his first class bowling average is 38, and he can't bat (average 11). Agar's averages are 35 and 33 respectively, making him almost an allrounder, and statistically at least, a better bowler than Lyon irrespective of his immeasurably better batting.

  • SirViv1973 on July 24, 2013, 18:23 GMT

    @Sy Prakash, I have no idea why but there seems to be have been a stream of comments since the Lords test asking for the inclusion of Katich. Please understand that this is just not going to happen. Lehman has already stated that Aus will not be calling up any additional players. If you include Wade & Haddin as batsman Aus already have 10 batsman in the squad. There is bad blood between Katich & Clarke. Katich was very outspoken when he was axed from the team in 2011 and made it pretty clear that he blamed Clarke for getting him the chop. Also SK was dropped bcoz CA needed to blood younger players so he was dropped bcoz of his age not bcoz of form, if you drop a player bcoz he is too old how can you recall him when he is 2 yrs older? SK is also no longer playing shield cricket so technically at least he is no longer eligible to wear the baggy green.

  • on July 24, 2013, 17:58 GMT

    Khawaja should be an automatic choice for the 3rd choice after his 50 in the last test. Fawad Ahmed should be included for the next match. David Warner looks like a potential replacement for Phillip Hughes. Steven Smith is an automatic No.6.

    For Manchester: 1. Watson 2. Rogers 3. Khawaja 4. Warner 5. Clarke 6. Smith 7. Haddin 8. Agar 9. Fawad 10. Harris 11. Siddle

    Watson is a pace option alongside Harris and Siddle so it's pretty legit to have a six man attack with Fawad, Agar and Smith as the spinning options.

  • SirViv1973 on July 24, 2013, 17:53 GMT

    @jbgardener, I don't really think you have thought much about your Xi. Katich & Cummins are not even in the squad & for some reason you have decided to drop Harris who was Aus best player at Lords!

  • SirViv1973 on July 24, 2013, 17:49 GMT

    Aus selection for OT will be interesting, I guess the big question will be if they bring Warner back in, given his 193 against SAF 2nd string they must be tempted. With both openers absent from this game you would imagine they will continue at OT & UK must surely now get a run in the team at 3 & you would also think SS would stay at 6 as his leggies may well be needed in this game. That effectively leaves Hughes & DW disputing last batting spot. If DW does come in I guess Clarke would have to bat 4 something he seems reluctant to do with DW slotting in at 5 or maybe swapping with SS. As for the bowling Lyon must come in for Agar with the 3rd seamer slot still pretty much up for grabs between Bird, Starc & maybe Faulkner but I would think he's a bit of a long shot.

  • cricket-is-passion on July 24, 2013, 17:16 GMT

    Shocking to see Aussies performance in Ashes. Aussies has to bring Warner, Maxwell, and Finch/Katich to provide solidity.I agree with Steve Waugh/Punter to youngsters but first of 2-3 players to provide solidity and rest can be filled with youngster. Right now Clarke is only experienced guy and surely lacking support. Adding Finch or Katich will provide support along with Warner and or Maxwell to provide some more support. I think Maxwell can spin as well so that would be ideal. Also Eng pitches are swinging enough so bringing Hilfi in place of injured Pattinson would balance the team.

  • Beertjie on July 24, 2013, 17:15 GMT

    Agree @Jono Makim on (July 24, 2013, 13:01 GMT). Very impressive stuff, although the Saffers are out of season. Anyone who can flay Abbott and de Lange has regained his touch. He should bat #4, though, because Swann will trouble him just as he has all left-handers. Agree @Lyndon McPaul on (July 24, 2013, 13:28 GMT) about Warner replacing Smith for the reasons you mention. My sentiments on Hughes, too, @ salazar555 on (July 24, 2013, 16:07 GMT). However, the NSP regard him as one of the cornerstones of the team on the basis of his past record, especially in Shield. Since the post-Lords mantra is to give young 'talented' guys opportunities now so that they will eventually make the grade (like Tugga), I say give Hughes his chance to fail now and drop him thereafter (Tugga, too, was chopped when they lost patience!). Cowan had many opportunities for his single century, so he too should be history as Hughes will shortly be. Once Watson joins them the re-building can begin! Go show them Lyon

  • on July 24, 2013, 17:01 GMT

    Sussex will be disappointed if they do not win this game. All this once again shows why Australia are rotting at the bottom of the pile. Nathan Lyon is the best spinner. Steve Smith, who himself doesn't know whether he is a bowler or a batsman, (from what we have seen, neither) is talked up as the future captain. a 35 year old rookie past his time even in Shield cricket make a comeback. And, as Ponting says, if "this is the best we've got", then they may as well take a joint retirement and stop embarrassing their proud countrymen by risking losing the test status in a couple of years. The England leg of the Ashes will be 5-0 unless weather intervenes. The Australian leg will be won by England and will be winless for Aussies, but I think you might find more than a match being drawn as they might prepare flat tracks to negate English bowlers like they did to the South African bowlers, a series in which Aussies didn't win a single test.

  • jbgardener on July 24, 2013, 16:47 GMT

    Here's an Australian XI for Old Trafford: Katich Warner Khawaja Clarke Smith Haddin Agar Starc Cummins Siddle Lyon

  • on July 24, 2013, 16:28 GMT

    What a remarkable XI! Starc, Bird, and Faulkner, supported by three and a half spinners. If the pitch doesn't turn, then Clarke could find himself with a tired second string seam attack to go with the tired first string attack.

    Also I'm astounded that they didn't pick Watson, even if just as a batsman. I can't imagine that they've given up on him, or else why rest him for Turner? So they must think that time in the middle against a team who will be trying their hardest to test his LBW technique will be less helpful for him than net time.

  • on July 24, 2013, 16:24 GMT

    the 2 batsmen being Mitchell Starc and Ashton Agar? I can see Sussex winning, especially if they have Taylor and Panesar playing.

  • Iddo555 on July 24, 2013, 16:07 GMT

    I think the Aussies need to take a long look at dropping Hughes. I'm not sure what he actually does well. He can't play spin, he's basically a walking wicket for Swann. He's not great at facing pace, he seems very loose with his shot selection. He might be ok in a short version of game but he doesn't look test material to me.

    Saying that, I'm English so I'm quite happy for the Aussies to have him in their team but if I was them, he would have a big question mark next to his name.

    Smith is also loose with his shot selection but he does play spin better and can offer a bit with the bal with his leg spinl.

  • GeoffreysMother on July 24, 2013, 16:07 GMT

    Surely if they only sent Warner to S.A. for match practice, then they would have brought him back to play Sussex for err, match practice? I think he will be back for the 4th test once his ' not punishment' has finished. I also think they would quite like to play him at 5 or 6 away from the new ball and where his counter attack is more likely to be successful.

  • RandyOZ on July 24, 2013, 15:59 GMT

    Hopefully Nath takes a bag, he has been treated appallingly.

  • Shan156 on July 24, 2013, 15:57 GMT

    oh dear, looks like Warner is venting all his frustrations at the hapless SA 'A' bowlers, the much hyped Abbott and De Lange included. Surely, it would now be impossible for the Aussies to not select Warner and Maxwell. Warner, Rogers, Khawaja, Maxwell, Clarke, Watson, Haddin, Siddle, Harris, Lyon, and Bird. Now, that looks like a team good enough to cause England a lot of trouble. Smith and Agar would be unfortunate to miss out but some of the players in the above XI would be under pressure to perform.

  • on July 24, 2013, 15:53 GMT

    warner deserves to play for Australia. he has the best average in the Australian team after Michael Clarke.

  • on July 24, 2013, 15:51 GMT

    Good team balance: 7 bowlers (including Steve Smith), 1 keeper, 2 batsmen, and Phil Hughes...

  • on July 24, 2013, 15:47 GMT

    @Sy Prakash enough with the "bring back Katich" campaign. Yes, he is in fine form, but that is a quick and very, very temporary fix. And with the tension between himself and Clarke I cant imagine he would play at his best. We need to be stop being so short sighted and start thinking about the future. The fact is, our current crop of players isn't good enough and are going to get belted. We just need to swallow it, give them TIME to build EXPERIENCE, and look to DEVELOP them. Lets not forget, it wasn't too long ago names like Cook, Pieterson, Broad, Anderson, Swann, Bell and Trott were being belted all over the park by most cricketing nations.

  • arm_chair_Ed on July 24, 2013, 15:41 GMT

    I hope there is time for a decent pair of 2nd innings at Hove. This is the part of the match where Aus appeared to be poor during the last warm up games. While Eng despatched Essex with no bother, Aus could not dismiss Worcs. In the 2 tests Eng 2nd innings has made 42.6 runs per wk, Aus only 26.6. Eng's skill at reverse swing and spin (in bowling and batting) were known to be superior and its showing through. I expect another poor 3rd/4th innings showing at Hove and more misery in the tests

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 24, 2013, 15:36 GMT

    Milhouse79 (post on July 24, 2013, 15:00 GMT) is spot on - the treatment of Aus. spin bowlers of late has been appalling. Hauritz did nothing wrong and was dropped for the likes of Beer; and the only reason Doherty got a look in was because selectors thought he could offer more with the bat. D'Oh!

    Before the Ashes, O'Keefe was being touted as the next Shane Warne by many Aus. fans. Where is he?

  • xtrafalgarx on July 24, 2013, 15:26 GMT

    @Jono Makim, Yes 193 is going to be VERY hard to turn down. I was not suggesting that Warner isn't in the Australian top 6, but it is just hard to imagine the selectors dropping yet another play. If i had to pick one, i guess it would be rogers and put Warner at the top with Watson, which is Australia's best opening combination according to Chappelli.

  • on July 24, 2013, 15:13 GMT

    @leaveittotheumps...I hope that in reality Sayers, Starc and Bird are battling for Pattinsons spot and that although Sayers might be a bit on the outer; a real bagful of wickets on what looks like a belter of a wicket will give him a chance to be selected in an attack of Sayers, Harris, Siddle and Lyon. I wouldnt be too dissapointed though if Bird got the nod or even starc if he was consistently threatening and accurate but I just have the feeling that Sayers is the best of that bunch at present as his Aus A form in Eng testifies as well!

  • leave_it_to_the_umps on July 24, 2013, 14:56 GMT

    @Sivaprasad Addepalli think you are right the players rested are pretty much a shoe in starc & bird are battling for pattinsons spot, lyon and agar are battling for the spinners spot and the top 6 (inc wade) are all battling for the remaining 3 batting spots although Warner must also be in the mix as he has scored more runs in 1 innings vs SA A today than any aussie has in 4 innings so far in the ashes! (athough maxwell has also got a century so not sure how good the attack is!)

  • usernames on July 24, 2013, 14:50 GMT

    When you're building a team, there's two options. Either you throw caution to the wind, introduce everyone young to test cricket, and be prepared for a roller coaster ride as Australia is witnessing. Or, you be include some seniors in the team, make sure you introduce youngsters in a way that their confidence isn't totally crushed. See what England does with Joe Root. Even if he fails for a couple of test matches in the opening position, people won't be calling for his exit because the rest of the team is doing okay, and there's a lot more people who can take responsibility.

    With what Australia is doing, it will take a few years for the squad to grow and mature to bring the kind of results that's expected of a top team. Otherwise, they can go back to the likes of Katich, etc. I'd just give this team a go now: Warner, Rogers, Khawaja, Watson, Clarke, SPDS, Haddin, Harris, Siddle, Lyon, Bird.

  • on July 24, 2013, 14:46 GMT

    @xtrafalgarx, Well the Aus management have already said he'd be flying back to England on sunday night. Currently on 186 n.o and absolutely dominating a pretty good seam attack, that a time when the opportunity is there for the taking and he is taking it. He is also the most consistent test batsman we have after Clarke, he has served his sentence and must be back in the team.

  • on July 24, 2013, 14:31 GMT

    Please bring back Simon Katich. He is not yet retired and playing well. Faulkner has much more variety than Pattinson-he should be tried. Agar is not upto scratch as a spinner (his 98 was cool, but!), get Lyon and someone else as spinner. Steve Smith is not going to hold fort or spin - he has to go. Get in Mathew Wade as a batsman, he can stick around.

  • milepost on July 24, 2013, 14:30 GMT

    I agree with picking the best team and sticking with it however, we still don't know the best team. I like Agar in the team and I doubt Lyon is fighting for that spot. I think Agar looks like he could play as a batsman and why not invest in a 19 year old. He just seems to have the right mental attitude to cope. Don't forget he scored a brilliant 98 against a highly praised attack. Also remember Warne's debut was 1/150. What if he were dropped after that? We have to stick with who we think are the best players but there also has to be investment in the young guys. In saying that, I don't think players should be left out on age either. Really, I think the selection headache is balance - England have a real team - players for all situations. We don't. We like all rounders or openers out of place, or middle order aggressive batsman (Watson, Warner) out of place. Even Clarke is batting 5 again? It's all a bit weird really.

  • cricket-vid on July 24, 2013, 14:03 GMT

    Seriously are we surrendering up a tour spot to a complete unknown when our team is struggling badly to find form? Perhaps as a 44 year old who hasn't played club cricket for over 20 years I should be donning my whites and making a comeback!

  • Mitty2 on July 24, 2013, 14:01 GMT

    Also, poor Cowan, nominated captain of this side, had a very good chance of selection considering everyone's failiures at Lord's, second best bat in India, one terrible match that was probably worsened by how sick he was and now Warner comes in and after failing against Zimbabwe, dominates some absolute quality SA bowlers... Cowan's career is seriously flailing. But it's a good thing that one of them has performed. Maybe Watson can go!

    On the result, as long as Bird outperforms Starc I'm happy. Please selectors, see what I can see, just look at their records. PICK BIRD

  • on July 24, 2013, 14:01 GMT

    What's the news on Nic Maddinson? Why isn't he in the Aus A side right now? Was hoping it was due to him flying up to England but that doesn't seem likely.

  • Mitty2 on July 24, 2013, 13:57 GMT

    I'm becoming more polarised in all separate matters of Australian cricket - particularity the players. Where I've been continually critical of Wade, Starc and Watson, I've always had a real like for Bird, Clarke and obviously Siddle, but after a couple of interviews of Nathan's and with his ever improving results/bowling technique, not to mention him leading the team song (it's probably forgotten by now we haven't won a test for six months...), he's starting to come into contention (this is of huge significance, of course).

    His omission probably typified why we've lost six tests in a row and signified the abysmal selections (non-selections in SOK's case) of spinners post-Warne, but I personally believe that the dropping of Lyon is the worst move since... Watson, maxwell, quiney, Hastings, Doherty, smith (as a bowler)... But, in all seriousness, how he's been dropped twice now defies belief and how he's copped it so well defies belief. I hope he considerably outperforms agar this match

  • on July 24, 2013, 13:56 GMT

    From the Squad that we have there my side would be: (1) Shane Watson (Open & Pace) (2) Phil Hughes (Open) (3) Usman Khawaja (Bat) (4) Steve Smith (Bat & Spin) (5) Michael Clarke (Bat) (6) James Faulkner (Bat & Pace) (7) Brad Haddin (Bat & Wicky) (8) Aston Agar (Bat & Spin) (9) Peter Siddle (Pace) (10) Ryan Harris (Pace) (11) Nathan Lyon (Spin) 12th Man: Mitchell Starc (Pace) This would give us 8 batsmen, 4 pace bowlers and 3 spinners. My expectations would be each match: Watson (50 runs, 2 wick), Hughes (80 runs), Khawaja (80 runs), Smith (50 runs, 2 wick), Clarke (80 runs), Faulkner (50 runs, 2 wicks), Haddin (50 runs), Agar (50 runs, 2 wick), Siddle (10 runs, 4 wick), Harris (10 runs, 4 wick), Lyon (10 runs, 4 wick). Giving us: 520 runs & 20 wicks per match. If the players dont meet that benchmark, they shouldnt be getting picked.

  • on July 24, 2013, 13:54 GMT

    Hmmm. I suppose that Watson, Clarke, Haddin and Rogers spent so much time in the middle they must be exhausted. After all, they scored almost as many runs in the test as Joe Root's 180 (164) in both innings and spent one more ball in the middle.

  • DylanBrah on July 24, 2013, 13:43 GMT

    Davey Warner loves to hammer South Africans. I think he will struggle against Swann on a turning wicket, but he is pretty much a must pick given our lack of talent, and he can certainly score big, unlike Cowan, Doolan, Watson, Smith, Khawaja etc...

  • on July 24, 2013, 13:28 GMT

    Lyon's exclusion was ridiculous from the outset. He is a proven international performer with very good figures for a standard offie and good for 4+wickets per match during the middle overs (the toughest time to bowl). Agar will be great when he actually learns to spin the ball but right now Steven smith or even David Warner pose much more of a threat as bowlers. A genuine spin bowler doing the hard yards in the middle overs will also relieve Watson of bowling pressure which can allow him to focus more on his batting. Incidentally Warner was 117 not out vs SA A which is great as it puts some external performance pressure on our current team not though ist's hard to know who he would replace as every member of the top 6 has a fifty but all seem equally inept as far as consistency. My guess would be that Smith would be under the gun as Warner can bowl similarly and would also shade Smith as far as batting credentials and overall talent at this stage!

  • on July 24, 2013, 13:24 GMT

    david warner will hammer England in third test match. he just scored a fantastic hundred against for Australia a side against south Africa a.

  • xtrafalgarx on July 24, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    @Jono Makim, I'd be very surprised if that happens. I don't see Warner getting a look in until at least the Australian leg, and that's if Rogers fails. Australia are now at a point where they have to pick a consistent 11 and be prepared to go through some pain before they reap the rewards.

  • chrynnon on July 24, 2013, 13:18 GMT

    I hope this team totally destroys Sussex under Cowan's leadership.

    Firstly because these guys deserve that sort of reward. And secondly because I'd love to see the pain it would cause the selectors.

  • on July 24, 2013, 13:16 GMT

    i wonder why CA selectors didnt choose Callum Ferguson, Peter Forrest, Adam Voges, George Bailey for India Tour as well as ashes...Cowan, Watson, Warner, Huges do not deserve a test spot....results r there to see

  • Iddo555 on July 24, 2013, 13:14 GMT

    I think you've hit the nail on the head Medha. The ones not playing (pattinson aside who is injured) will play at Old Trafford, the ones playing in this game look like they are fighting for the remaining places. Is this game on TV in the UK because I would quite like to watch it and see how the players go?

  • on July 24, 2013, 13:01 GMT

    Well whatever happens at Hove, I hope the first man called up for the next test is Dave Warner. Flaying South Africa A today, he is a match winner and proven performer at test level and we need him back in the side asap.

  • colc on July 24, 2013, 12:55 GMT

    So you drop your number 3 batsmen for a Test, then re-instate him as captain for a county game.......makes perfect sense.

  • on July 24, 2013, 12:55 GMT

    Australia has to stick to the players rather than rotating. The batting order is getting changed in every test which makes batsmen difficult. Lyon has to be included in the third test. England are in a good form, Australia players has to take responsibility. Clarke form is worrying for australia, watson has to play well. Excepting some close contest this time.

  • on July 24, 2013, 12:53 GMT

    Does the lineup suggest that those rested are pretty likely to be picked for the third test and those playing are playing for a spot?

  • on July 24, 2013, 12:53 GMT

    Does the lineup suggest that those rested are pretty likely to be picked for the third test and those playing are playing for a spot?

  • on July 24, 2013, 12:55 GMT

    Australia has to stick to the players rather than rotating. The batting order is getting changed in every test which makes batsmen difficult. Lyon has to be included in the third test. England are in a good form, Australia players has to take responsibility. Clarke form is worrying for australia, watson has to play well. Excepting some close contest this time.

  • colc on July 24, 2013, 12:55 GMT

    So you drop your number 3 batsmen for a Test, then re-instate him as captain for a county game.......makes perfect sense.

  • on July 24, 2013, 13:01 GMT

    Well whatever happens at Hove, I hope the first man called up for the next test is Dave Warner. Flaying South Africa A today, he is a match winner and proven performer at test level and we need him back in the side asap.

  • Iddo555 on July 24, 2013, 13:14 GMT

    I think you've hit the nail on the head Medha. The ones not playing (pattinson aside who is injured) will play at Old Trafford, the ones playing in this game look like they are fighting for the remaining places. Is this game on TV in the UK because I would quite like to watch it and see how the players go?

  • on July 24, 2013, 13:16 GMT

    i wonder why CA selectors didnt choose Callum Ferguson, Peter Forrest, Adam Voges, George Bailey for India Tour as well as ashes...Cowan, Watson, Warner, Huges do not deserve a test spot....results r there to see

  • chrynnon on July 24, 2013, 13:18 GMT

    I hope this team totally destroys Sussex under Cowan's leadership.

    Firstly because these guys deserve that sort of reward. And secondly because I'd love to see the pain it would cause the selectors.

  • xtrafalgarx on July 24, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    @Jono Makim, I'd be very surprised if that happens. I don't see Warner getting a look in until at least the Australian leg, and that's if Rogers fails. Australia are now at a point where they have to pick a consistent 11 and be prepared to go through some pain before they reap the rewards.

  • on July 24, 2013, 13:24 GMT

    david warner will hammer England in third test match. he just scored a fantastic hundred against for Australia a side against south Africa a.

  • on July 24, 2013, 13:28 GMT

    Lyon's exclusion was ridiculous from the outset. He is a proven international performer with very good figures for a standard offie and good for 4+wickets per match during the middle overs (the toughest time to bowl). Agar will be great when he actually learns to spin the ball but right now Steven smith or even David Warner pose much more of a threat as bowlers. A genuine spin bowler doing the hard yards in the middle overs will also relieve Watson of bowling pressure which can allow him to focus more on his batting. Incidentally Warner was 117 not out vs SA A which is great as it puts some external performance pressure on our current team not though ist's hard to know who he would replace as every member of the top 6 has a fifty but all seem equally inept as far as consistency. My guess would be that Smith would be under the gun as Warner can bowl similarly and would also shade Smith as far as batting credentials and overall talent at this stage!