Spinners January 15, 2007

Kaneria: an enigma to all

The occasions have been few when Kaneria has threatened to run through a top order and he has achieved it on even fewer
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Danish Kaneria's introduction to international cricket was accompanied by great optimism. Here was a young man whose bowling was mature beyond the age of his wrist. He spun the ball sharply, he could get it to drift in, he rarely bowled bad balls, and he had enough energy to keep going on and on and on. With Shane Warne's retirement, Kaneria has announced his desire to succeed him as the world's premier leg spinner. But Kaneria's career has been a triumph of ambition over achievement. The occasions have been few when Kaneria has threatened to run through a top order and he has achieved it on even fewer.

His first innings performance on a helpful wicket hinted that he might be a genuine threat if Pakistan could muster a sufficient lead. Well, Pakistan's lead might not have been great but it was possibly sufficient. Kaneria might not have had much back up but he had Mohammad Asif. That Kaneria failed to take a single wicket in these circumstances is bewildering, an enigma. Pakistan might still not have won but Kaneria, you imagined, might make it one hell of a task. He didn't. His failure in helpful conditions leaves Pakistan's selectors with a hellish dilemma: Pakistan need Shoaib Akhtar and Umar Gul back but can they be risked? All this might spell good news for Mohammad Sami?

Whatever happens with the pace attack it will be a surprise if Kaneria is not twirling away at the other end. But leg spinners are meant to be match winners not stock bowlers--and Kaneria has some matches to win. He might work on his flipper too. Without that he can forget following in Warne's footsteps.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • Md. Hasanuzzaman on February 15, 2007, 15:37 GMT

    Kaneria could take much more wickets on any surface if he is backed by superb fielding not lathergic Pakistan fielding.

  • Irfan on January 31, 2007, 14:42 GMT

    I think the problem with Kaneria is that he lacks the wit, the wisdom to outfox the batters. He may have the talent and the passion, but the biggest weapon of any spinner is his mental edge over his opponent. Just take example of Saqi, he always outsmarted his opponents not through extravagant spin but through witty bowling. He has become a victim of politics and mindboggling selectioin priorities.

  • HateScreechers on January 28, 2007, 12:04 GMT

    Kaneria's opera singing is just rediculous. What he lacks in bowling he makes up for in shouting, screaching at almost every delivery today against Kallis, as if he can get Kallis out if he (and the team) scream enough. Umpires should stop such a rediculous and cowardly display - it does the game of cricket injustice.

    Should he scream his comments in english, he'd be sitting alongside Gibbs by now.

  • Michael-Sydney on January 27, 2007, 23:44 GMT

    Boy Oh Boy. Hasn't Kaneria proved his doubters completely wrong! To be honest I always thought that he was a great bowler especially for his age! Sure he isn't no Murali or Warne yet but in my opinion he is the No.3 Spinnner in the world (No.2 now that Warne has retired). He will only get better with age and quite frankly if Pakistani fans complain about him they have rocks in their heads. I know for certain that a player of his quality would be welcome in the Aussie team. If it is good enough for us then it should be more then good enough for you!

    This article about him really is quite rubbish and definitely shows a lack of understanding of wrist-spin bowling. It is also indicative of the 'complaining style' of Pakistani fans and that is unfortunate.

  • Siddiqi on January 24, 2007, 11:14 GMT

    Kaneria is a class bolwer have confidence in him provide a keeper like Rashid Latif ( Kamran dropped three catch and missed a stumping = 4 wickets) and a strong pace attack consist of Shoiib,Asif and Gul to soften batman and give him chance to show his magic

  • AussieMark on January 24, 2007, 0:20 GMT

    Well I saw Kaneria out here 2 years ago, and he certainly showed he had not only the ability, but temprament to mix it at Test level for a long time to come. He was giving the Aussie batsmen verbal barrages and fist-pumping send offs. Great stuff. The Pakistani pace bowling, though, was pathetic, and from the sounds of things hasn't improved too much. Perhaps Kaneria is worn out from having to carry the bowling attack, and from the public pressure on him. Get a fit, consistent, mentally strong pace quartet in there and help him out!

  • Saqib on January 21, 2007, 16:29 GMT

    Kaneria is a lively energetic bowler who can bowl all day with the same enthusiasm and does not leak many runs. I think he is one of those players who are plain unlucky, ermmm another example would be collymore for the west indies. I feel for the guy i really do, but hopefully patience with him and faith in him from the pakistani fans and selectors will allow him to produce and show his great talent.

  • Muhammad Faheem Khan on January 21, 2007, 7:40 GMT

    yes there is no doubt that Danish Kaneria is a very good leg spinner bowler after shane warne i think he is only the best. but unfortunately in the 2nd innings of ist test he could not gotton the wicket and pakistan lost the ist test. but i hope that in future he would be the backbone and wicket taker bowler.

  • Viju Jacob on January 20, 2007, 11:12 GMT

    Kaneria talks the talk but hasnt managed the walk yet. It's time he stopped talking big ang instead try & emulate Qadir, if not Warne.

  • Aaiz Aziz on January 20, 2007, 9:24 GMT

    I totally agree with last few of you.Kamran Akmal has had an extended run, longer than he deserved.Zulqurnain deserves a few tests now.

  • Md. Hasanuzzaman on February 15, 2007, 15:37 GMT

    Kaneria could take much more wickets on any surface if he is backed by superb fielding not lathergic Pakistan fielding.

  • Irfan on January 31, 2007, 14:42 GMT

    I think the problem with Kaneria is that he lacks the wit, the wisdom to outfox the batters. He may have the talent and the passion, but the biggest weapon of any spinner is his mental edge over his opponent. Just take example of Saqi, he always outsmarted his opponents not through extravagant spin but through witty bowling. He has become a victim of politics and mindboggling selectioin priorities.

  • HateScreechers on January 28, 2007, 12:04 GMT

    Kaneria's opera singing is just rediculous. What he lacks in bowling he makes up for in shouting, screaching at almost every delivery today against Kallis, as if he can get Kallis out if he (and the team) scream enough. Umpires should stop such a rediculous and cowardly display - it does the game of cricket injustice.

    Should he scream his comments in english, he'd be sitting alongside Gibbs by now.

  • Michael-Sydney on January 27, 2007, 23:44 GMT

    Boy Oh Boy. Hasn't Kaneria proved his doubters completely wrong! To be honest I always thought that he was a great bowler especially for his age! Sure he isn't no Murali or Warne yet but in my opinion he is the No.3 Spinnner in the world (No.2 now that Warne has retired). He will only get better with age and quite frankly if Pakistani fans complain about him they have rocks in their heads. I know for certain that a player of his quality would be welcome in the Aussie team. If it is good enough for us then it should be more then good enough for you!

    This article about him really is quite rubbish and definitely shows a lack of understanding of wrist-spin bowling. It is also indicative of the 'complaining style' of Pakistani fans and that is unfortunate.

  • Siddiqi on January 24, 2007, 11:14 GMT

    Kaneria is a class bolwer have confidence in him provide a keeper like Rashid Latif ( Kamran dropped three catch and missed a stumping = 4 wickets) and a strong pace attack consist of Shoiib,Asif and Gul to soften batman and give him chance to show his magic

  • AussieMark on January 24, 2007, 0:20 GMT

    Well I saw Kaneria out here 2 years ago, and he certainly showed he had not only the ability, but temprament to mix it at Test level for a long time to come. He was giving the Aussie batsmen verbal barrages and fist-pumping send offs. Great stuff. The Pakistani pace bowling, though, was pathetic, and from the sounds of things hasn't improved too much. Perhaps Kaneria is worn out from having to carry the bowling attack, and from the public pressure on him. Get a fit, consistent, mentally strong pace quartet in there and help him out!

  • Saqib on January 21, 2007, 16:29 GMT

    Kaneria is a lively energetic bowler who can bowl all day with the same enthusiasm and does not leak many runs. I think he is one of those players who are plain unlucky, ermmm another example would be collymore for the west indies. I feel for the guy i really do, but hopefully patience with him and faith in him from the pakistani fans and selectors will allow him to produce and show his great talent.

  • Muhammad Faheem Khan on January 21, 2007, 7:40 GMT

    yes there is no doubt that Danish Kaneria is a very good leg spinner bowler after shane warne i think he is only the best. but unfortunately in the 2nd innings of ist test he could not gotton the wicket and pakistan lost the ist test. but i hope that in future he would be the backbone and wicket taker bowler.

  • Viju Jacob on January 20, 2007, 11:12 GMT

    Kaneria talks the talk but hasnt managed the walk yet. It's time he stopped talking big ang instead try & emulate Qadir, if not Warne.

  • Aaiz Aziz on January 20, 2007, 9:24 GMT

    I totally agree with last few of you.Kamran Akmal has had an extended run, longer than he deserved.Zulqurnain deserves a few tests now.

  • zohair on January 20, 2007, 7:28 GMT

    hey Matt, I agree that kaneria is no warne but dont diss the man. hes not bad. and he's certainly a better player than you. So dont call him rubbish again

  • Younis Habib on January 20, 2007, 3:28 GMT

    I dont understand why are we talking about Danish Kaneria and before him Mohammed Sami at the first place. Lets move our attention to the prolific catch dropper, butter-gloved Kamran Akmal. If there was a list for the most dropped catch season-wise I can assure you that Akmal would have made it in the top 3 the last three seasons. Fortunately for him (and unfortunately for the PCB that they don't see this as a hindrance in Pakistan's success) his failures don't get much into the limelight. And let's get real, he is no Adam Gilchrist or Kumar Sangakarra that his selection could be justified merely on batting skills. Sometimes, he seems worse than Moin Khan behind the stumps, which somewhat explains his immediate succession to Moin. Akmal & Moin could be good one-day keepers but they just can't be included in the test side. What happened to the art of wicket-keeping, clinical as it used to be. It's not as if Akmal didn't have his share of run in the national side. He is currently playing his 32nd test match in the last 4 yrs (Rashid played 37 in a span of almost 11 yrs). It's not even that he drops extremely hard chances, whoever saw yesterday's first days play at centurion knows what I am talking about. A regulation catch off Mohammed Sami, as even easier chance against Danish. If it were not for Younis Khan's catch off a deflection from Akmal's glove, it would have been 3 dropped catches for Kamran in a space of 2 overs! As for his batting, he is a flat-track bully and nothing else! I think this is Pakistan Cricket, welcome to the world of PCB!

  • Mohammad Manzoor on January 19, 2007, 22:58 GMT

    I think its about time we gave zulqarnain a chance.. too many mistakes by Kamran akmal today and thank God none of them proved costly for pakistan.. He misses Smith's catch and luckily Younis takes it on the second attempt, then Mr Akmal goes on to drop a lolly from Prince, and again luckily enough Imran Farhat holds on to one two ball later.. Then Mr Akmal drops Gibbs and thanks to Kaneria who gets him legbefore the next ball....And we all saw what akmal did in the batting..he might have made 33 runs but how many of them were convincing.. He made me swore my throat down at him when he played that pull shot in the LAST OVER. WHERE IS THE PROFESSIONALISM????????

  • Amyn Habib on January 19, 2007, 20:19 GMT

    I want to congratulate Kamran Akmal on playing that fine hook shot in the final over of the day. Keep up the good work--and keep using that fine cricketing brain.

  • kaz on January 19, 2007, 19:53 GMT

    u must sume humble pie nkow look at the scorecard today!!!!!!!!!!

  • RG on January 19, 2007, 19:37 GMT

    Why do you compare Kaneria's record with Afridi. Compare it with the real "strike bowler" Shoaib Akhtar. Shoaib (42 tests, 165) Kaneria ((44 tests, 186). Please tell me whose record seems better. Please learn to be patient with this guy. He is still in his mid 20s and as a spinner he still has 10 more years to go.

  • Ali Zaidi on January 19, 2007, 18:40 GMT

    Agree with most folks on this blog. Kaneria is and has always been over-rated. Like Kaneria, anyone who bowls fifty overs be it in a club,school or university level game will take a wicket or two and perhaps occasionally get a few more too. He needs to go back to the basics and work on controlling his variation. He tries too much and too often. Lacks the patience that makes Warne such a great bowler. It also doesnt help that Kaneria doesnt hide his googly well, and doesnt have the slider that Warne had. He needs to 'think' out his victims which is were Warne excelled. Kaneria may be good, but not great as he is proclaimed to be and clearly no where near Warne.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on January 19, 2007, 13:14 GMT

    SOUTH AFRICA 124 All out. But, how good our batsmen are? I was suggesting earlier that may be Pakistan should play a batsman short and use a 4 pronged pace attack. Risking Umar Gul by making him play was not a good idea, its good that they gave him rest and gave Sami a chance and he bowled well.

    BUT, Oh, boy Shoaib proved all the Guru's wrong, especially Uncle Bob who was saying that Shoaib is out of match practice since one year. A player like Shoaib who proved his match fitness and came to SA to join the team and the coach was still planning to keep him on the side lines?

    Shoaib not only took 4 wickets and bowled well, he even dented Shuan Pollock with a nasty yorker.

    This is the lowest score ever by SA in their first innings in test cricket against Pakistan and the later MUST take advatange of this. But, who can stop FARHAT from edging, pulling or hooking and getting out cheaply and then putting Pakistan under pressure?

    With Inzi injuring his neck before it goes to the gallows, the batting line up is frail. I don't want to pin up my hopes on MOYO. You cannot expect that man to score a 100 everytime he plays.

    Pakistan needs a lead of at least 150 runs to put pressure on SA.

    Finally, Kaneria's lady luck smiled at him and he got 3 wickets which is good for him. He bowled very well.

    I hope Pakistan win this match.......but its a long long way to go.

  • JUN8 on January 19, 2007, 11:24 GMT

    Where are all the Kaneria haters now???

    Humble pie I believe is on the menu for most

  • SG on January 19, 2007, 10:58 GMT

    well kaneira has really been involved today, taking 2 rather important wickets. but please, someone tell kamran akmal to quit the game, he seems to think dropping catches is how wickets fall if the ball is in the air.

  • Suhaib Jalis Ahmed on January 19, 2007, 10:45 GMT

    Nice to see Kaneria showing a bit of his class again... He's got Smith and Gibbs so far...

    I wonder if he read the comments of this blog before this match...

  • SG on January 19, 2007, 10:43 GMT

    mr abbasi, danish has been listening to you hes now got smith and gibbs gibbs looked like a total idiot against danish, could have had him out in two balls before that delivery

  • SG on January 19, 2007, 10:04 GMT

    you might have to eat your words, he just got smith out, a top order batsman! lol

  • Cricketer on January 19, 2007, 8:43 GMT

    Someone named Humayun compared the averages of Kaneria and Afridi. I suppose he forgot to check the number of wickets taken by both. Danish has taken 186 wkts in 44 tests whereas Afridi has taken 47 wkts in 26 tests. Hmmmmmm..........

  • Gabru on January 19, 2007, 8:14 GMT

    Kaneria is a good bowler no doubt but not a match winner. He does not have the temperament for the game. Its the first time I have ever seen a bowler who bowls 40 odd overs and takes like 1 or 2 wickets...Bewildering! Pakistan Cricket Board is an absolute shambles. They chop and change like theres no tomorrow! It was ever since these beinchod generals took over the country! They dont have a clue on how to run a cricket team. Jinnah said "The army should be used for defence and only defence"...now they run the whole bloody country! Mushy was badly missed! Faisal Iqbal needs to do evry1 a favour n go bk to where he came from!..and take nazir and Hafeez with you! Rana is a class bowler coz he gives 110%, shame bout the rest of the team. If evry player gave 110% believe me, they can beat anyone....but pakistan for some reason always settle for second best. The team needs to have a serious discussion regarding their wholee selection process and on what grounds they pick a player because if this is the team thats gong to be playing in the West Indies later this year....God help them!

  • Suhaib Jalis Ahmed on January 19, 2007, 7:16 GMT

    Gary's comments that "a non-muslim playing for Pakistani team should never expect to get any breaks anyways" are simply absurd.

    The guy plays in every test Pakistan plays. Whether he takes wickets or not, he still finds himself in the team.

    No one doubts Danish's potential, it is just that he needs to convert that potential into something substantial.

    Religion has nothing to do with this. Kaneria's form is clearly visible to all of us.

    I only see guys from other places pointing out that Kaneria is a non-Muslim. I dont think the Pakistani public has ever considered him different. Inzi wouldnt call Danish his "trump card" if he had problems with Danish's religion.

    So Gary, try to keep religion out of this.

  • Rory on January 19, 2007, 7:02 GMT

    You guys need to get your heads straight. Of course he isnt as good as shane warne but he is only young and an awesome preospect for the future. He has taken plenty of wickets on pressure ocasions. I also remember him having quite a strong tour against australia over in australia where he troubled a few quality batsmen in one of his 1st series

  • Matt on January 19, 2007, 6:14 GMT

    Im suprised that you dont rate him above Warne as well.... seems that any Paki spinner is definitively better then Warne.Kaneria is a rubbish bowler who very occasionaly can bowl alright. He is useless most of the time and has won very few if any tests for his country off his own back.

  • Raza Karamat on January 19, 2007, 6:08 GMT

    Yo, abbasi, you talk a lot of smack! why don't you hit the pcb and how they have destroyed pakistani crickets honor. Its time to go after bari and the rest of the seelction commity.

  • Euceph Ahmed on January 19, 2007, 5:46 GMT

    JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA... It's not just about setting defensive fields, It has more to do with an entirely defensive mindset. You lose when you're concerned about losing. A lesson had to be learnt from the tailenders' batting in the second innings. They had nothing to lose so they started having fun and things started to happen. A smarter captain would've capitalized on the momentum that was created. Instead, Inzamam turned the switch off and he honestly believed that he could defend the 198 by saving runs. This means that he also totally misread the pitch even on the last day. If he only kept the momentum going and told his boys to enjoy themselves without worrying about winning or losing we would've had a much more exciting finish than we did.

    I think that as fans we put too much emphasis on winning and losing also which brings the team and especially the captain under a lot of pressure. As fans we have to find a way to communicate to the team that more than winning or losing we want our team to put up a hard fight till the last ball of every game. If they give it their all we will support them regardless of whether the match ends in victory or defeat. When the fans shift their priorities the team is bound to perform according to their wishes. Unfortunately, as in the case of this totally unwarranted article by Mr. Abbasi, we start to question players' potential just after one fruitless innings.

    I thought Kaneria bowled well. Credit has to be given to Amla also who seemed to have studied Kaneria beforehand and read him well during the game and totally neutralized his threat. Amla seemed like he had totally cordoned himself off from the rest of the world. He couldn't care less if there were bombs going off in the stands. I truly appreciated his application.

    Kaneria is a good bowler, he certainly is not a great bowler. But he has the potential to turn into a great leggie provided he gets a captain who understands the pyshological aspects of the game really well.

    This one to David Furrows.... David, to create more zing to his bowling Kaneria will have to put more spin on the ball and bowl a slightly fuller length. To put more spin (and lesser turn) he requires better biceps which means a lot of weight training. But to bowl a fuller length he is somewhat restricted by the rough created by the bowlers at the other end. Perhaps the bowlers at the other end need to create a rough which enables Kaneria to pitch it up a little bit. This will give him more drift also. I can't see how the fast bowlers can do that. They're struggling with no balls as it is.

  • Saurabh on January 19, 2007, 5:30 GMT

    I would like to just remind you of Bishen Bedi's view that spinners need time to intricately understand the finers aspects of their art and game and hence should be allowed time to mature. He also spoke about the role of a captain in the development of a spinner.

    If one examines the career of Shane Warne, Muralitharan and Anil Kumble, the most prolific exponents of slow bowling in modern times, all of them seem to have got better with age. Even with a huge off break, he was playable in his first few years. But since 1998-1999, he has taken his bowling to a different level with an wider repertoire. Warne's exploits after his drug ban reveal that experience more than made up for the absence of earlier sting in his flippers. Same is the case with Kumble who has climbed up so much since the career turning tour of Australia in 2003. I think we should give more time to Kaneria as well. Most of the ingredients of a successful bowler are already there. Qualities like patience, ability ot outthink a batsman, will surely come with experience. After all, he is one of most exciting young spinner right now in the world. Excessive pressure and expectations are just tickets to oblivion (where Saqlain has already been pushed).

  • Omair Hafiz on January 19, 2007, 5:17 GMT

    A little bit of history:

    On one of India's tours to Pakistan, Kapil Dev took 8 wickets in a single innings of a particular test match.

    Pakistan also amassed over 600 runs in that very innings.

    Len Hutton, in one particular Ashes campaign, had Johnson (a spinner and the Australian captain at that point) bowling at him the whole day because in every over that Johnson bowled, Hutton would get beaten on three deliveries, defend two more and...hit a boundary on the remaining delivery. It was obvious to everyone (except Johnson) that it was all deliberate!

    Nasim-ul-Ghani, was a frightfully good spinner when he first burst on the Pakistani cricket scene . After a while though, he lost his form and stopped being as penetrative as he was earlier. When one of the Mohammad brothers was asked as to why Ghani had lost the plot now, the reply was swift: "earlier nasim-ul-ghani was the new kid and his job was only to pitch six deliveries on One spot and let it rip. Now that he has become a 'master' spinner, he tries to draw the batsman forward, make him play back, deceive the batsman in flight and with spin"

    An interesting statistic would be how many of Kaneria's wickets are actually top-order batsmen.

  • Sefal Khan on January 19, 2007, 3:47 GMT

    Hi Kamran After Umar Qureshi left us I thought you will fit his shoes as we (Pakistan) were left with not many decent cricket writers. I always regarded you as one of the better ones. Unfortunately, you seem to have lost the plot now. The Qadir v Warne was a poor attempt and now poor Kaneria. As one guy said before me why don't you hammer those unskilled batsmen like Faisal Iqbal or even the so called big guns for throwing their wickets away. When are Pakistan batsmen going to learn to play a decent innings in the first innings of a test match specially when they are set. We seem to be always chasing the tail - stuff up the first test - PHIR DEKHA JAI GA (work it out later). The seniors in Pakistan team need to realise it is very hard to come back against better teams specially at their grounds. Now all eyes are on Yousuf - what if the poor guy gets an unplayable delivery or a shocking decision - which is pretty common with Pakistan players these days. Why do we forget Cricket is a team game.

    I refuse to believe, Pakistan doesn't have skilled and mentally strong batsmen. Wasim Bari needs to go to the matches to pick the talent. You do not pick a national side by sitting in the lounge rooms or through recommendations. Get rid of half skilled batsmen like Hafeez, Farhat and Iqbal. How many chances are these gys going to get? As for Sami - he should never have been picked.

    Regards

  • zohair on January 19, 2007, 1:35 GMT

    I dont think Kaneria's performance was as bad as you make it out to be. He bowled well and on the line that Bob Woolmer told him to bowl. He's no shane warne so lets not compare the two.

  • Dr.Zahid Akram on January 19, 2007, 1:13 GMT

    Lets not underestimate him on the basis of his performance in one test there.He had performed well in the past and even won tests for his country.All he needs is consistancy and encouragement.If a bowler like Paul Harris can perform then why cant him.He will definitely come back very strongly in future and make the difference.

  • ahmed on January 19, 2007, 0:07 GMT

    Hey, c'mon leave the guy alone! his a gr8 bowler. he doesnt lack off. shahid afridi doesnt deserve to b in the team after the effort he put in the ICC champions trophy. we all know, know 1 is better than shane warne, the guys a fat lad but a good bowler. records r meant to b brokened and the record of his 705 test wickets r gonna b gone after murali grabs another 20 or so wickets. with danish is, he does not have as much variety in his spin, suppose when shane bowls he only bowls the googly after a long time, some times after a couple of matches

  • sami on January 19, 2007, 0:03 GMT

    disgusting comments by gery,lets get some facts right, Kaneria is consistntly playing for pakistan being a hindu or muslim,its not matter of concern, matter of concern is his form and to talk about Mohammad Yousuf he was given place in the team when he was not a muslim, was chosen as vice captain that he himself decined, and his family has left him because he embraced islam one has to be a real fool to imagine leaving one's family to get a place in the team, and that too he already had Did Mohammad Li embraced islam because he wanted place in pakistan cricket team?

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on January 18, 2007, 22:51 GMT

    Hear, Hear, Hear Euceph Ahmad, for once you have agreed with me :-) I have been saying all the time that Inzi sets defensive field and you cannot win matches if you go defensive. In Bangalore test which Pakistan won, the main reason was the aggressive field placement. I hope Inzamam realizes that this is the fag end of his career and these are the last 2 test matches he will play. So might as well go for wins and move his Butt rather than standing in one place like a slob.

    Port Elizabeth pitch favours the fast bowlers and the only Pakistani to have taken 5 wickets in an innings is Waqar and he is among the only 3 bowlers in the world to take 10 wickets in a match at PE. Lets see what Shoaib, Asif and Gul can do tonight. Also, the stats of that ground says that no Pakistani player has ever scored a century in PE. Whereas, among the current SA team, Gibbs, Kallis and Shuan Pollock have scored centuries in PE. Gibbs who scored 196 against India is out of the two tests, so the probability of century makers is down by 33% but Prince is in good form and so is Kallis et Tabarnak .......Hashim Amla.

    I would like to play with one less batsman (Yasir Hameed may be) and include Sami to have a 4 pronged pace attack and we also have Kaneria and Hafeez for a change. So we should go for a kill rather than relying on "hookers & pullers" who are constantly giving jitters to the spectators every now and then. In the second test, second innings, Yasir Hameed played two extremely pathetic hook shots in one over of Andre Nel, the ball didn't carry and fell short of the fielders at the inner circle. In the second over of Nel, he was out playing the same shot and Ntini grabbed the gift. So, I would like to rely on the strength which is Pakistan's bowling attack. If Kaneria can exploit the conditions that would be a bonus.

    Ashaq as regards your comments on my quoting the stats. They are not mine, I have posted the link from cricinfo. And I have never said that Afridi is a better batsman than Inzi. Its just the 12 months average that's there. Inzi has a great record in both forms of the game, but Afridi's test average is much higher than his own ODI averages and he has 5 test hundreds to his credit and yes 3 of them are against India. But, against SA, in SA how many Pakistani's have scored a hundred? I don't think there is any! Anyways, Afridi is not in the team so why discuss the IF's and But's theories. Lets hope those who are playing tomorrow have thought about their mistakes and they don't repeat them.

  • talal on January 18, 2007, 22:04 GMT

    I strongly disagree that Kaneria is not a world class bowler. A bowler from pakistan could only get a chance in county if he's a match winner or performace given player. The only thing is required to set the best feild for him. He bowled great , superb but was unlucky. Its a duty of a captain to make sure that the best feild is set for the bowler. He is bowling good, but unfortunately is not a finisher. My suggestion is to bring abdul rehman aswell to create an atmosphere of competition along with imran nazir who has been perfroming great in our domestic level to fill the spot for an opener. My dream team would be if farhat and imran nazir open the batting. Best wish for the best cricket out of our team.

  • IMRAN QURAISHI on January 18, 2007, 21:36 GMT

    I don't understand why he is still with the team. I really don't understand why young fast bowler Anwar Ali was ignored for this important series.He is in his early twenties and is an asset. I guess his only fault is that he is from Karachi and is Urdu speaking. It's about time PCB grows up and select players on performance. Also why the hell this extra wicket keeper is in our team? Can some one please tell me.

  • Dr Aslam on January 18, 2007, 21:20 GMT

    Kaneria is a good bowler. But being good is not enough. Because there are some over 200 good bowlers (leg spinners) in Pakistan. If anybody is given 50 overs to bowl, he would definitely get at least one wicket, which is what Kaneria does most of the time. That is exactly what is not the main objective from a leg spinner in a test side. Can somebody tell us what is the strike rate of Mr Kaneria. If it is somewhere around 60, Pakistan would be much better off without him. He is no good for one day; he is a liability as a fielder and is useless with the bat. And if he is not gonna run through the opposition or strike regularly every 5-6-7 overs, he is a waste of space. Don't just keep on playing him as a token threat to the opposition and keep on expecting for the toothless lion to tear apart. Unfortunately, it is inherent to us that we are always expecting for things to happen and not making them happen. We definitely need to think and act in a more rational and calculated way. It is nothing against or in favour of anyone. It is just what the performance tells.

  • Sajjadullah Baig on January 18, 2007, 20:49 GMT

    Kaneria did well but one should not expect him to run through batting lineups like Shane Warne. Shane Warne is a legand, born in generations. The only thing that contribuited more to Pakistan's defeat was mental weakness. If only the Pakistan's can get tougher and stronger in their minds they can be as potent as the Australians.

  • Omer Admani on January 18, 2007, 19:09 GMT

    Gary, tell it to your mates, as in recent times Pakistan was probably the only team in the world-- until Yousof converted-- with people from three different religions in one team at the same time (until England came up with Monty and Sajid, not to mention the friction and the lack of otherwise logical options the team ran into). And that to from a country which is just about 98 percent Muslim.

  • Bilal on January 18, 2007, 19:08 GMT

    i just don't get it...he spins the ball, pitches it in the right areas, bamboozles batsmen yet he can't get enough wickets...lol...

  • Imran Nawaz on January 18, 2007, 19:07 GMT

    I think Kaneria is rubbish he has no brain Mushtaq Ahmed is much better than him

  • Gary Niblock on January 18, 2007, 17:50 GMT

    Here's me thinking Kamran we should look at people's cricketing ability and not their religion!

  • Yousuf - Toronto on January 18, 2007, 17:42 GMT

    Kamran is correct in labelling Kaneria as an enigma. Its really a puzzle as to why he was unable to exploit a turning wicket when comparatively, a new bowler like Harris picked up more wickets than Kaneria, and Pakistan on paper are a better player of spin than SA, though Pakistan has a history against SLA bowlers.

    Kaneria was unlucky not to pick up a couple of wickets on the forth evening – replays showed Smith was clearly LBW on one delivery. Amla was beaten by 3 balls in one over but survived. One possible reason Kaneria had problems against SA may be field placing. SA were able to pick up singles with ease which rotated the strike and unsettled Kaneria as often he had to bowl to a right-left combo. Perhaps by plugging singles and causing frustration on the SA side would be more useful than having fielders patrolling the boundary. Not a lot of runs to play with and a captain averse to taking risks didn’t help.

    Still all in all it’s hard to nail down what’s wrong with Kaneria. Certainly in the first inning he bowled quite well, but that seems to be the problem with him. He seems to bowl well but yet top order batsmen seem to play him without much problem and he’s rarely running through sides any more (when did he a last have a 5-for for less than a 100?). A flipper would definitely help his case. Perhaps Rahman could be given a chance to see how he does in Test cricket.

  • Gary on January 18, 2007, 17:20 GMT

    Agreed trying to fill void created by Shane Warne is more ambitious than Danish can even imagine but I still think you are being too harsh on him. But I guess, a non-muslim playing for Pakistani team should never expect to get any breaks anyways. If you don't agree, ask Mr. Yohanna.

    Peace!

  • Valavan on January 18, 2007, 16:36 GMT

    Two reasons for the pakis to loose first test: (1) Gibbs mentally tortured pakis with comments (2) Danish kaneria didnt deliver as required.

    Dont u think these are some funny reasons. Say me which batsmen delivered in first test for pakistan.

  • Fizaan Farooq on January 18, 2007, 16:31 GMT

    Kaneria should be replace by Afridi. That's all there is to it. What is the point experimenting with Abdur Rehman. You have a tailor-made legspinner in Afridi. He has experience, he can bat, he is an outstanding fielder.As far as his bowling is concerned, he can now turn the ball sharply, has an undetectable google, can bowl a VERY fast ball and is an overall match winner in the test an one day arena!!!

  • Nauman Dastgir on January 18, 2007, 16:19 GMT

    I agree with you that Kaneria has had a dry run of wickets,even on pitches that suit wrist spinners.One of the reasons might be that for the last few months or so,Inzamam expects him to take more wickets as the other strike bowlers have been missing for one reason or the other.I guess the dry run started from the 2006 Indian tour of Pakistan.You cant really blame him because the wickets were way too flat to assist any type of bowling,except perhaps reverse swing.Next,the tours of Sri Lanka and England.The tour of Sri Lanka was quite short,so you cant make too many judgements there.However,in the England tour,Pakistan was without Shoaib and Asif,so he was turned to as being the major force,probably the only force in the lineup.I think the pressure got to him,and as runs leaked from one end,he had to consolidate and couldnt attack the batsmen the way we know has in the past. After that came the West Indies tour of Pakistan,in which he was marginally succesful.Again,Pakistan was without Akhtar and Asif,even though Gul stepped into their shoes quite well.Gul was the only bowler who could apply pressure from one end while kaneria would attack from the other,but after a spell of 7-8 overs,Nazir would replace Gul and then the plan would mess up. In the first test at Centurion,Rana and Nazir were quite dismal to say the least,bowling short and wide ball after ball.Asif was the only paceman who was striking the right areas regularly,but he obviously is a bit rusty,physically,so he cant bowl very long spells.Due to this,he would bowl a 5-7 over spell after lunch and tea with kaneria,to two well set batsmen,and then would be replaced by Rana or Nazir,who would rapidly leak away runs,not to forget the no balls,thus from the other side Kaneria would have to consolidate,again,and hence lose that intensity. Another thing which i noticed was that,he didnt bowl too many googlies and the new ball which he had developed during the west indies tour of pakistan:the skidder if thats what you call it.I believe that would have been quiet a succesful delivery,as it is very hard to read,and would have got a lot of help from the varying bounce of the wicket. Anyways,I am sure Kaneria would feel much more secure now that shoaib and gul have joined the team,and i am sure he will perform better.

  • Miten Davda on January 18, 2007, 16:13 GMT

    The fans who support organized sport in today's world seem do not seem to have any patience whatsoever in the athletes. They feel as though these 'superhumans' if put in a certain scenario 'A' should be able to bring certain results 'B'. They forget the human element that makes the game of Cricket, like any other game, extremely interesting. Danish bowled well and ended up without much. Lets see why: Kallis who is one of the best test batsmen in the world played extremely well along with the suddenly 'in form' Amla. That is the positive and the fact that Kaneria toiled away trying to defend a mediocre total against a team playing on their home soil is commendable. Give the athlete some breathing room to prove themselves.

  • Wajahat Rehman on January 18, 2007, 14:44 GMT

    My observation is that Kaneria is too slow in the air. He needs to bowl a bit faster. He should aim to get the ball landing between middle and off stumps. This way he can use googly and flipper or straighter one whichever he has. What he is doing now is to ball outside the off stump so that he can bowl googly, the batsman can guess which way the ball will turn depending on the initial line - obviously when the ball dips in towards leg it is going to be a leg break and if outside off it is googly.

    He should pitch between off and middle stump. We have to accept that he is no warne and he has to attack the batsmen in a way differant to Warne.

  • Fayez on January 18, 2007, 14:32 GMT

    Let's not talk about dropping Kaneria. The man has over 6 years international experience, and would walk into any team, even Australia if they did not have Warne and/or MacGill. In fact, let's compare Stuart Macgill's record to Kaneria's. Both have been around about the same time and have played about the same number of tests.

    MacGill:

    Tests: 40 Wickets: 198 Ave: 27.20 Economy:3.16 Strike Rate: 51.57 4-fors: 9 5-fors: 12 10 in a match: 2

    Kaneria:

    Tests: 44 Wickets: 186 Ave: 33.17 Economy Rate: 2.99 Strike Rate: 66.41 4-fors: 5 5-fors: 12 10 in a match: 2

    Not much in it, is there? Macgill has a few more wickets probably becuase of better Australian fielding anyway. Would any of us suggest not including MacGill in a Warne-less Australia? The point is, both are very good bowlers and would walk into any international side. It is wrong to compare either of them (or anyone else) to Shane Warne, who was exceptionally good. Danish Kaneria is a tad overhyped, but so was Warne, who had many bad days himself. I personally feel Anil Kumble is the most overhyped of them all. Kumble had 179 wickets after 44 tests. Should they have dropped him after a bad innings? No, because Kumble is still a very good bowler, and the hype is irrelevant. Similarly, Kaneria will certainly leave his mark on this test series and has the mental strength to improve as he gains more experience.

  • eddy on January 18, 2007, 14:18 GMT

    Dinesh is a decent spin bowler, sometimes very good. but no more than that, never in mushy's class let alone saqlain's or qadir's. Any bowler of spin that can remove Lara is class, Dinesh has done it 3 times (just 2 less than Murali)but at what cost??? 115.33 per wkt is the cost. By far the worst avg of any contempory spin against Lara. who could forget (406664). My point is he is ok, decent, good at times, very good on occasion, thats all.

  • Sohail on January 18, 2007, 13:56 GMT

    Omer Admani is spot on with his analysis. I believe that we need to persist with Kaneria. But I wonder if he is getting any help from Mushtaq, the bowling coach.

  • Tariq on January 18, 2007, 13:02 GMT

    The Only Issue with Kaneria and Sami is that they lack the art of taking wickets. Nothing to do with their bowling talent. Pak always suceeded as we have imran, wasim , waqar and saqi who knows how to get wickets. Look at Kumpble for instance: the guy bowls at least 40 overs in a game and get 2 to 3 wickets max. Pls dont compare danish to warne. infact its an insult to compare warne with anil, danish , and all other spinner. We just have to be consistent with him and provide some positive field placings. also we need rehman as back up so their is always pressure on him to perform.

  • Adnan Rizwi on January 18, 2007, 12:31 GMT

    if you analyze the strike rate and runs per over, you will find Danesh only slightly better than Afridi. This is despite the fact that Danesh gets much longer spells and the timing of his choice when to bowl. I think Danesh is an excellent bowler but common sense tells me that given such little difference in the results produced by the two bowlers, its probably time that Afridi gets to be the only leg spinner for a couple of series. With his batting prowess, Afridi should be more than a help at no. 8. During last year or so, Afridi have also improved his slower leg break delivery. This means that with his Kumble style of bowling, he can also bowl leggies that spin. Danesh on the other hand is still bowling big leg breaks. So unless he bowls them at variable pace and upto the batsmen, he is unlikely to be successful. And in order to keep his runs per over rate, Danesh has now become more defensive and is pitching the ball outside leg stump thus eliminating any chance of LBW or bowled. I will not write off Danesh as he still has a long way to go. But in the medium term, I would give Afridi a chance to prove whether he is better choice or not.

  • Imtiaz Ahmed on January 18, 2007, 11:50 GMT

    I agree with summaries above about Kaneria's performance so far. I mean, when he came to England last summer. He should have made his mark as other leg spinners like Qadir and Mushy. But he failed to live upto the standard set by others. But one thing that has been noticeable, is the fact that when kaneria is picked in the squad, there is no other leg spinner. I am talking about the same scenario as taking a spare keeper to RSA. The way this guy (Kaneria) has been hyped up. It looks as if he is in the team being groomed for the next 10 years. The ironic thing is, this is done with anyone else competing for his place on performance. There are strategic replacements for him in the squad but no direct ones. I think there should be another leg spinner on the radar, just to keep some pressure on the guy. And I don't mean an Afridi of sorts but another genuine legspinner. We need someone that can threaten Kaneria's place in the team. Like for like.

    This my first post on this blog, I hope I stayed within bvorders of respect and reasoning.

    Imtiaz.

    Lancashire, England.

  • JUN8 on January 18, 2007, 11:17 GMT

    What is wrong with us Pakistani fans???

    We have a true class wrist spinner like Kaneria and we do nothing but knock him. have we forgotten his performances against India (away), Sri Lanka, South Africa and West Indies (away)???

    Ok so I will be the first to agree that he so far has yet to live up to his potential. He has immense talent and aggression but needs to nurture and channel this. I'm sure this will come in due time.

    He has yet to be employed with affect by Inzamam and that speaks volumes of Inzi's captaincy rather than Kaneria's talents. Inzi is extremely defensive minded where as kaneria is more aggressive.

    How can you expect some one to defend a modest total of 100 odd runs when your main strike bowlers, Asif excluded, were useless?

    Bottom line is not to give up on him or we will have another instance where immensely talented pakistani players, such as Saqlain, will be yesterday's news.

  • Dizzy on January 18, 2007, 10:25 GMT

    Who says Kaneria's a Waste ...

    Give him 40 odd overs / Innings and he'll give u a 5-ver ;)

  • Hamza Suleman on January 18, 2007, 8:54 GMT

    You are right about Kaneria. He does not have the wicket taking ability he needs to have. Maybe we could give a go to Abdur Rahman, the left handed legspinner

  • Sibtain Naqvi on January 18, 2007, 8:47 GMT

    I dont think Pakistan should persist with Dinesh at the moment. He needs a lot of work before he can become the leg-spinner he claims to be and you work and practice at home, not in international test cricket. Pakistan would do better to go with an all out pace attack with Rana, Gul, Shoaib and Asif and let one of the part time spinners do Dinesh's job. Mohommad Hafeez can contribute and looks capable of doing Kaneria's job. The break will be good for Dinesh and definately good for the Pakistan Team.

  • Saurabh on January 18, 2007, 8:33 GMT

    It seems that extreme and irrational reaction to defeats is not the sole preserve of Indian cricket fans. While one cannot really dispute the accusation that Kaneria has been more prolific with this tongue than with a cricket ball, it is unfair to pillory him alone for the defeat....The support bowlers had gone AWOL as well.....Moreover, the sub continental teams peg their expectations very high, the moment they see a slightly dry wicket abroad.....the wickets at both Capetown and Centurion were conducive for spin bowling...but they were not minefields by any stretch of imaginaion. You could have expected a Kumble or Kaneria to defend a total of 300-325. But running through a side within 200 was not exactly a probable option... if anything, the batsmen need to mad accountable.......you do not play spin with reputation but with decisive footwork.....and the remarks of Sanjeev are deplorable and in bad taste indeed....please do not inject fundamentalism into cricket

  • ehtisham on January 18, 2007, 8:22 GMT

    Hi All,

    I think kneria should follow footsteps of warne, no doubt it. For me he is lacking in wicket taking ability rite now. He should learn the art of taking wickets soon othervise it wiill be bye bye for kneria. it is hartening that umar gul & shoaib akhtar are boht available for 2nd test match. For me Asif, shoaib & Gul are the best combination pakistan has rite now. But if there is some doubt in gul's fitness, then sami is better choice than rana and nazir. I wish pakistan's win in 2nd test, inshallah. I hope they will definitely do very well than ist test match.

  • Mohammed Jarrie Abbas on January 18, 2007, 7:56 GMT

    well commenting on the danish inclusion in the team i have to say that he is in the team because of INZI who is trying to save his captaincy,i think he is not doing good for Pakistan ,After all these years of captaincy he still dont know how to place fielders , so to help prolonging his captaincy(he deserve captaincy for his great achievements in the past)he has characters like shoaib malik (guy who first replace LEGEND SAQLAIN as off spinner and then deny many young openers )now out of the playing eleven so that he might not fail again in S.A and lost his world cup chances,MOHAMMED sami (player like kaneria who did nothing for the team but still in the team)kicked out then again chosen to support inzi against the threatening claim of CAPTAINCY of GENUINE STAR SHOAIB AKHTAR (who conspired to drug allegations by the captain himself along with younis khan )danish kaneria who gave 150 runs and picked 2 or 3 wickets and captain says he is our main weapon (i think inzi should use mine instead of our)faisal iqbal (who never perform well but still in the team to replace SHAHID AFRIDI THE FUTURE CAPTAIN) in his team . i hope this ends soon i pray to ALLAH to help the deserved ones to regain there place in the team

  • Mohammed Jarrie Abbas on January 18, 2007, 7:25 GMT

    assalam u alaykum, Kaimi bhai ur more than 100% right about danish thats why he is not in oneday team .i have few points on this deli ma 1.he is in the team because of the inzi,although i respest inzi but i think he is consistently choosing the wrong man ,and then gave all the credit to this wrong man of all the winnings we had in past 2-3 years 2. well being a leg spinner myself i know that what is length to bowl any variety if u notice kaneria bowls leg spin usually full and his line is quite often on either middle and leg or 4th stump on the off side which has no effects,(B)Dhnaish bowls guglly that short that even if the batsman is sleeping he has no worries about that delivery,(C)He dont know what is flipper because he bowls quicker delivery ,as flipper should bowl with the same action as of the legbreak so he cannot bowl this delivery which is rated the most deadliest in spin bowling, 3.the biggest flaw of his bowling is that he cannot give flight to the ball because of his height or by his little mind 4.inzi is living in fools paradise with a bunch of fools around him but i pray that it will not hurt Pakistan as much as we are suffering in hockey

    plz send me reply about my points

  • Zain Hamidi on January 18, 2007, 7:09 GMT

    Ok- I agree Kaneria is going thru a tough time. But to say that he's never delivered the goods (and if so only against aginst Bangladesh)- mmmmm...I totally disagree. C'mon when in 2004-2005 our much vaunted attack was being taken to pieces in australia - it was kaneria who took 14 wickets in the 3- tests (more then warne if i remember correctly). Then in the 2005 tour of India, he took 19 wickets in a three test rubber - probably the most suceessful tour by a leg spinner to India (we all remeber warne's mauling in India). Not only that he was instrumental in winning the last crucial test to tie the rubber 1-1 all. Then in the Caribbean he again had a 5-wicket haul which helped us square the series. Yes the recent tour to England and after that, DK has been a big dissapointment. My reading is that he's running in a little to fast - and as a consequence not giving the ball enough flight. Secondly he's bowled well whenever younis has captained the side - so i think an aggressive captain wud also add to DK's effectiveness.

  • Rashid on January 18, 2007, 6:32 GMT

    Why Pakistan doesn't think of Abdur Rehman.He is an aggressive spinner and also a good batsman.Top of that it will be a good experience for World Cup. We should think of World Cup from now on.

  • Imran on January 18, 2007, 6:22 GMT

    I agree with you Kamran. After watching the first few overs from Kaneria on the 5th day, i was hoping he'd be able to spin a web around the South Africans. And there was enough in the pitch to help him. But he wasn't able to do so.

    I also think he works a bit too hard at times and gets impatient. I think patience is a great virtue for a spinner. Sharne Warne, as agressive and smash mouth as he was, often had to rely on consistency and patience to pry batsmen out. But Kaneria is young and can only improve and lets all hope he does so quickly.

    As for team selection, i think going for an all seam attack just isn't an option. South Africa wouldn't have won without Harris and a leg spinner always proposes a different proposition for the batsmen.

  • Bilal on January 18, 2007, 6:14 GMT

    hmmmmmmm ganesh asked what happened to saqi..... well wat happened to saqi was a trajedy a failure of a system ... it has happened to many before him and would unfortunately enough happen to many after him ........ kaneria is a good bowler yeah he has some flaws tries too many variation, doesnt have a flipper, doesnt use the variation of spin and loop too well...etc etc but than again he still can learn if given the opportunity the only problem with him i see at the moment is he is got too much of a fast bowlers brain in his head well blame the love of our nation for raw speed for that, nehow he needs to try and work a sbatsman out needs to tie knots around a batsman not try to get him out with a magic ball cause even shane warne produced that great delivery once...... but besides this i would still like to see pakistan presist with him and atleast allow him some close in fielders to apply the pressure ... other than that we should also give the south africans some credit for how they played him and they are getting better at playing spin lately check there recent test record and u would find out this me signing off adios Bilal Khan

  • Mubasher Naseer on January 18, 2007, 3:20 GMT

    Hello Kamran, Danish Kaneria is an enigma: certainly he is, but as an astute observor of Pakistani Cricket, you would agree that It is not only Danish, who is enigmatic, but Pakistani Cricket is an enigma. I for one, was hoping that in the absence of Mohammad Yousaf, Inzamam or any other Pakistani Batsman would accept the challenge and call it "over my dead body," and play a long inning to make it difficut for the Souh Africans to win the match. Alas! it did not happen. There have been too many situations when no body accepted the challenge at hand and left we as supportors of Pakistani team thinking "who is an enigma this time." I for one have always felt that Pakistani Cricket team would benefit from the services of a person who could instill in them the drive to perform and win. I think this spirit is lacking and I would add that Pakistani Team has not been able to use the tools of spirit, drive and optimism which are such a pivotal force in the schemes of "Allan Willing" chants that we hear from Pakistani players all the time. They just don't show up...period!

  • Omer Admani on January 18, 2007, 3:00 GMT

    There is a huge difference between Kaneria and Sami. Sami rarely beats the edge while Kaneria does it repeatedly. Sami can be detrimental to the team by giving too many easy runs while Kameria keeps it tight. Meanwhile, Afridi's record could be deceptive because he didn't play that many tests last year. Moreover, has he ever performed outside the subcontinent with either bat or bowl? Also, he was consistently selected in ODI's last year (I think in almost all the matches untill he was dropped). He had a batting average of 8-odd, which was probably worse than Gul and Rana. His bowling average wasn't great either.

    Like I said, there are some things Kaneria could look forward to, but just be fair to what he was bowling against and with whom. It would be correct to say that the South African Harris was reasonably successfull. But how? Simply because pressure was bieng applied from the other end. Pollock's consistency meant that Pakistan was always in a stranglehold. I think it is fair to say in theory that Kaneria is a much better bowler than Harris (Just look at the number of times Kaneria beat the outside edge, if not the amount of spin and variety that he has). But what made Harris tickle was a team effort, which wasn't there with Pakistan. How could Pakistan expect to win with two very ordinary bowlers? Would Shane Warne, who is a pressure bowler, be ever successful with some Rana going for 8-odd runs every over? Even when Kaneria was successful for Pakistan against England in Pakistan, he was bieng supported by Shoaib on the other end. Much like Warne's support from Mcgrath. In the ashes that England won, though Warne's performance was exceptional, England lost both the matches in which Mcgrath didn't play. Likewise, in the just concluded ashes his success was partly due to Clarke's and Mcgrath's bowling as well. Needless to say that England is a good team, has beaten SA at home, and the picture could have been completely different in Pakistan if not for Kaneria's and Shoaib's match-winning performance in the first match. In England again, he had no support from other bowlers (and some of you guys want Sami back?!!) until the fourth match which resulted in a forfiet. Moreover, Kaneria beat Amla's edge regularly, but Amla was almost certain of a relief from the other end. That is what kept Amla going. Kallis's record against spin is exceptional (If I recollect collectly, he got out to a spinner only once last year with an average of over 200) as evident in his superior technique. I think to blame Kaneria for the defeat is a folly, as it was because of batting and very ordinary bowling from Rana and Nazir. Cricket is a team game, not a boxing match in which one player would triumph over the other. Moreover, meaningless as this may sound, on the basis of chance and probability, Kaneria's unluck of missing the outside edge is bound to change sooner rather than later. Watch him when he gets success. My team for the next match would be: hafeez, farhat, younis, yousof, inzamam, kamal (hameed?), akmal, shoaib, gul, kaneria, asif.

  • Naseer Ahmed on January 18, 2007, 2:45 GMT

    I don’t think there was anything more Kaneria could do in the first test, He bowled very well in the 2nd Innings and beat the outside edge many times plus had few very good appeals turned down [e.g kallis] by the Umpires, He made Hashim Amla look like a novice in the first session on final day and no doubt south Africans were treating him with respect, Just because he did not get wickets does not mean he Bowled Badly, He is a Good Bowler and with time he shall Improve and win Games for Pakistan.

  • Aftab Qureshi on January 17, 2007, 23:52 GMT

    Kaneria is overrated. He has not performed against top class batting in crunch situations. I am truely sorry that Abdul Rehman missed out because selectors thought Kaneria will deliver. Despite their other boo-boos, the Indian selectors at least give the captian the choice between Kumble and Harbhajan. Our selectors have been too unwilling to dump the likes of Kaneria and Sami, which is not in the best interest of cricket pakistan!

  • Euceph Ahmed on January 17, 2007, 23:20 GMT

    If you look at the way Asif and Kaneria bowled in the 4th innings it was clear that they were advised to bowl wicket-to-wicket. This means that Inzamam had lost the match before the 4th innings started. With a lead of only 198 the strategy should've been to go for the wickets. There simply was no point saving runs.

    Kaneria bowled exactly the way he was asked to. This is a classic example of how a captain's defensive mindset can destroy a player's career. Inzamam should've given Kaneria a free hand to go for the wickets. Inzamam should also realize that, at this late stage of his career, he can afford to take chances because win or lose, he'll be gone after the World Cup anyway.

  • qazah on January 17, 2007, 21:41 GMT

    assalam u alaykum,

    i totally agree, i just don't understand why they are even playing him, they might as well try fawad alam who did so well in the twenty20.

  • Imran Zia on January 17, 2007, 21:23 GMT

    I think you guys are too harsh on Kaneria. Cricket is a team game and bowlers should work as a team with defined roles. The even Mohd Asif struggled to take any wickets after his first spell because the pressure was released by giving Amla and Prince easy boundries. Kaneria has won Pakistan enough matches and taken enough wickets to prove his potential. The need is to sustain pressure by choking up the runs, not let the batsman rotate the strike and putting the right fields. In the past we have seen whenever Inzi leaves the field a wicket falls which proves that Inzimam is a little defensive in his fields.

  • Ali Naqvi on January 17, 2007, 20:41 GMT

    I agree. Kaneria has hardly ever lived up to the potential of the likes of murli, warne and kumble. He has never threatened more than the tail end on the 4th, 5th day of a test match.

    I think we should give more opportunity to abd-ur-rehman in both test and 1-day, since he seems to have more control and guile in his spin.

    P.S. Sami should be marked as a lost cause and left out of the squad permanently. He was always a substandard bowler, and years of opportunity at international level has shown no improvement in his technique.

  • Omar Ansari on January 17, 2007, 20:22 GMT

    I feel bad for Kaneria, he in my opinion is the most unlucky bowler in the team. Both Kaneria and Sami get their catches dropped, but the difference here is that Kaneria actually works hard to create chances. When his deliveries manage to beat the batsmen, they miss the stumps by a couple of centimetres. Kaneria will have to work on his flipper, I believe Kaneria is better than Kumble in many ways but what Kumble has is the flat and fast flipper which gets him 90% of his wickets, Kaneria will have to replicate Kumbles flipper if he wants to succeed.....

  • Adeel Rasool on January 17, 2007, 19:55 GMT

    danish kaneria is a great leg spinner how has the ponantiol to become one of the greates. many great players have had a bad start in there career. just give kaneria more time and he will start to show some result

  • Muz on January 17, 2007, 18:59 GMT

    I have always thought, for some considerable time, that Kaneria is overrated. The impression I get from Kaneria is that he thinks that he will get a wicket virtually every delivery. In this regard when it comes to Pakistani leg spin bowlers he is not on his own. I do not ever recall being left with the impression that he is trying to out think his opponent and show patience in earning a wicket. The other point that I take is that who the hell cares if he is a big spinner of the ball, you only need the ball to spin away enough to get past and take the edge of the bat, hit the pads for a LBW shout or hit the wicket therefore he must learn to control and vary the degree of spin.

    In addition although it is always useful to be cocky and perhaps even arrogant, Overall unless primarily his mental approach changes, which I can not see happening, I think that he will never be anywhere even close to Warne.

    However I must add that he certainly should not come up for critcism for Pakistan's loss. The loss lies, in my opinion, in the inability of the batsment in the first innings to appreciate the situation and grind out a big total. I think when they were 162 for 2 that the game was there for the taking, but what followed was the batsmen screwing up and blindly following a a hooking and pulling policy. The policy to attack I have nothing against but to certain degree respect should be given to a good ball.

    Finally although not related to the main topic, I have no idea why Imran Farhat is in the side each time he gets to 20 - 30 you know he has been dropped at least 3 times. In this regard I do not think that highly of Faisal Iqbal especially bearing in mind Asim Kamal. Dealing with the story of Mohammad Sami returning to the team, how many times are we going to persist with him, he has failed at international level, story over.

    I would possibly think about taking the risk of moving Yasir Hameed to make room for the usual trio, Younis, Yousaf and Inzamam with Kamal.

    The bowling I would probably replace Naved-ul-Hasan with, if fit, Umar Gul.

    Muz

  • Essa on January 17, 2007, 17:59 GMT

    You can't blame totally Kineria for the lose, no other country have batsmen like (yasir hameed, yunus khan), meaning ego centric Narcissistic thinking them self the likes of majid khan, zaheer abbas, both Y's loves to pull every ball even though have no idea how to pull, Player from other country knows the receipe how to win they are patient, they don't play unnecessary shots

  • Ruchit from Germany on January 17, 2007, 15:44 GMT

    Hi Kamran,

    I agree to an extent with you that Danish Kaneria is an over hyped bowler but his failure in the previous test really doesnot warranty your article.Traditionally teams from Sub Continent have struggled overseas and in recent times most non sub-continent teams have struggled in sub-continent with one or two exceptions here and there. Except Murali no contemporary spinner from the sub-continent whether it is Kumble,Saqlain,Harbhajan has too much of an match winning influnce abroad. Only when Kumble started picking a handful of wickets since 2002 series in England has some of his credibility a real quality spinner been restored. Otherwise for most parts of career he was a blob overseas. Saqlain was brillinat sometime and some times a total flop show outside dust bowls of sub-continent. Harbhajan has been worst of all and I think Kaneria has mostly fared better than him. Secondly 199 is not a kind of total on South African pitches where you can really expect spinners and that includes even Murali to win you matches. Every time is strong in its backyard and so is South Africa. Had they been chasing 199 in Pakistan I am sure had they achieved it it would have come at a higher price say 6 or 7 wickets.

    Why Pakistan lost is simple. Other than Asif no other pace bowler gave any worthwhile performance. Even India in the recent series managed to ruffle a few feathers because of the fact that they had two pace bowlers Sreesanth and Zaheer who were constantly troubling S.A batsmen but where India lost out on was the third pace bowler. SA had a pack of wolves to attack with when compared to India pair. Let Shoain and Umar Gul be back and I hope Pakistan will put up better performance though even there presence will no be enough to win the series. Beating SA in their backyard needs lot of quality talent-sophisticated and polished one which pakistan lack. They have raw talent without brains and it keeps of bringing them down. Of course rubbish batting compounded to Indian miseries.

    I am also looking forward to return of Mohd. Yousuf and see how he fares in South Africa. Frankly I dont think he has going to do much really. S:A has a real quality attack in form of Ntini,Nel and Pollack and perhaps Stein might as well play. They know the conditions pretty well.

    In nutshell Kaneria is no world class bowler but aagain it is not wise to expect loadful of wickets from him everytime he walks in.. even on a fifth day track.

    Also to end I would like to comment on ratherbad in taste post by one Mr. Sanjeev Ray. Mr Ray please dont add religious colors to what is purely a cricketing debate. Imagine Indians being termed Hindu fanatics simply because we have dropped irfan pathan on grounds of poor performance. Yours was a stupid and awful comment.

    Regards. Ruchit.

  • Ali on January 17, 2007, 15:33 GMT

    well he has no one at his shoes to take the spot...no domestic competition currently. Though he is a good bowler with immence potential but it would help him even more if there is some domestic competition for leg spinner position.

  • zain kazmi on January 17, 2007, 15:16 GMT

    Kaneria the mystery..! feels require more confidence and his favourite subcontinent pitches. the blame must be on pcb for making similr kind of pitches and now we have to take that .... anyway whatever it is we have to rely on him he is still a world class bowler and hope he will prove that soon.

  • Gary Niblock on January 17, 2007, 14:51 GMT

    First of all, Saqlain Mushtaq will never play again for Pakistan barring a dramatic turnaround. He played for my team Ireland and could barely run and his bowling lacked the magic of old. It was very sad to witness such a great player struggling. His focus is now on religion and he toured the UK with Anwar and Junaid Jamshed as part of Tableeghi Jama'at.

    Abdul Rehman certainly has one thing over Kaneria - that is the ability to think. Intelligence in a cricketer is extremely vital. It is a romantic myth to talk of the natural talent of Wasim and Waqar - they didnt just bowl - they KNEW how to dismiss a batsman. As did Abdul Qadir. Abdul Rehman shows this canniness.

    However the people calling for no spinner in the team are misguided and we have seen this happen in one day team and now people are clamming for a spinner. Learn from your mistakes Pakistan (I am sure that can be said in other areas too!!)

  • Faizan Shah on January 17, 2007, 14:51 GMT

    What happened to Saqlain Mushtaq??? A bad series and they dropped him for this long? He deserves another shot, best finger spinner ever in my opinion.

  • Ahmad on January 17, 2007, 14:30 GMT

    As much as I like Kaneria's enthusiasm and attitude, I think he has been a disappointment for Pakistan. Sometimes he can bowl for a whole day and not get a wicket. He doesnt have the killer instinct thats required, he'll come good and take a few wickets when the next team has already batted Pakistan out of the game. I remember previous tours of England where the Pakistan legspinners whether it's Qadir or Mushie, would singlehandedly win at least one test for Pakistan. Like South Africa, his tour of England was also big a disappointment. I wonder how long it'll be before it's realised that he's not good enough for the spot he takes up, it's like they blindly pick him for every match just because he's 'the leg spinner.' I'm not saying Afridi is a better leggie than him but I think if you gave Afridi or Malik or Hafeez the same number of overs that he bowls then they might get the same number of wickets. The team should be: Hafeez/Farhat, Afridi, Younis, Yousuf, Inzi, Malik, Akmal, Shoaib, Gul, Asif and Shabbir. This team is unbeatable and with Malik, Hafeez and Afridi our spin attack will still be better than most other test teams long with a lethal fasbowling attack. Theres no need to waste a spot on Danny either!

  • Rashid on January 17, 2007, 14:18 GMT

    Kaneria can have all the talent in the world, he doesn't use it and anyone who has underperformed should be booted off the team. Bring in Abdur Rehman or Saqlain Mushtaq. As for his comment about replacing Shane Warne, he shouldn't even be thinking about that. The problem with most talented players is that they're spoilt and think the world of themselves, like Shoaib Akhtar or Danish Kaneria. Look at someone like Inzamam or Abdul Razzaq--they have way less talent but work harder. A heavyset man like Inzamam has shifted his weight around in international cricket for 400+ matches--that should shut the stupid mouths of those who think he's biased and has favourites. Use your brains you so-called cricket fans! And by the way Kamran Abbasi, Adnan is right. You DO look ridiculous on the blog picture. Go get a life.

  • asif iftikhar on January 17, 2007, 12:45 GMT

    ok lets get one thing straight now pakistan didn't lose the 1st test solely on Kaneria's bowling did they?? Didn't any one see 3 or 4 batsmen getting out to one shot...THE HOOK SHOT. so i don't see why every one is shifting all the blame onto Danish. ok he didnt take any wickets in the second innings but neither did some of the other bowlers. the whole team didnt perform at all it was like they had no interest in the game on the 5th day. When Danish is bowling well then he is a hero to everyone and now he is going through a rough patch then he is to blame for the loss. you people make me laugh, if you want to blame any one for losing the game then please blame the whole team as it is obviously a team game.

  • Zahid Mahmood on January 17, 2007, 12:09 GMT

    Even before this series, I have always been of the opinion that Janeria is an over-rated player. I have rarely seen any dominating performance from him in Pakistan or abroad. I have no clue what Inzamam sees in him and why he calls him am Trump Card before every series. I think that this just points out to a rather alarming fact. It just menas that he is the best we have got and By God ... he is not that good. A trump card is a bowler like Shane, Murali etc not Kaneria who failed to get a single wicket on a fifth day pitch at Centurion. Probably, Afridi and Abdur Rehman could have given us same of better results with the ball and could have helped with batting as well.

  • Javed on January 17, 2007, 11:43 GMT

    The basic point on Kaneria is as a bowler he supposed to be a world class spinner and in my opinion very overated. He bowls with too much variety in an over, puts the batsman under no pressure. One would expect him to be more influential in a second innings of a test match but results show this not to be the case. He has had a very good run in the team, surely its time for a change.Also playing for Essex has probably removed any hidden surprises he ever had. No one expected him to bowl out South Africa in the second innings single handed, but aleast create some pressure on a worn last day pitch.

  • Rahul on January 17, 2007, 11:43 GMT

    It seems like pak has been lacking in the spin dept for the last few years ever since the fall of the once excellent saqlain mushtaq. If Kaneria and shoaib malik are the best they can put out, then this is definately an area of weakness for them.

  • liaqat uk on January 17, 2007, 11:39 GMT

    hi it is obvious that many ppl feel the same how i feel about kanaria. like many others i also had hoped he'll cause problems for the south african in their 2nd innings but he failed again. actually all through 2006 kanaria had many 5th day pitches and he failed to make much ov an impression. against england in the oval test . then west indias at home were he didnt do much. for a spinner the 5th day pitch should be heaven and u will notice that inzi and bob womler love kanaria. when he comes on 2 bowl then he never goes off. and he gets a wicket after 15 over or so. i think they should give mustaq ahmad a chance he has a proven record.

  • Bilal on January 17, 2007, 11:36 GMT

    I believe Kamran is right in highlighting Kineria inability to take wickets and win matches. Every so called expert talks highly of him but how many times he has won us matches. Just look at his record, when (if ver) he takes 5 wickets, just look at number of overs bowled and runs conceded.

    I dont think he can be match winner for us. I may sound too odd, but I still belive Mustaq Ahmed can ball a lot better and win us matches. We need a match winner not an empty hype.

    Mushy took 100+ wickets in country and I still believe he can serve a lot better than Kineria

  • Mani on January 17, 2007, 11:08 GMT

    May not be politically correct comment, but I feel there is some religious bias in some of the comments. I am neither Indian nor Pakistani, so I feel qualified to compare and I feel there is more of this bias among Pakistanis than Indians.

  • Arsalan Khan on January 17, 2007, 8:51 GMT

    And be patient when you critisize young determined athles.

    Even shane warne was thrashed in his early days.

  • Shehzad Ghani on January 17, 2007, 8:36 GMT

    Its not only Kaneria, its the same with all Pakistani spinners. As soon as they reach that 200 wickets mark, they've been found out. Their is no mystery about them anymore. Look at the stats of all Pakistani spinners. They all reach max around 200 wickets and fall out.

    The enigma beyond is Pakistani batting. Faisal Iqbal alone can't be blamed for it. He is not even a regular team member. Blaming the bowling on such a flat batting track for the defeat is not something I expected from Inzi. Very Sad.

  • Mohammad Nawaz Janjua on January 17, 2007, 8:28 GMT

    ASSALAMO ALAIKUM Kamran Bhai,

    What I think, it is too early to say anything about Kaneria's bowling, a bowler who has taken 186 wickets in just 44 tests. On the contrary, the recent test defeat by Pakistan against South Africa is the result of bad batting by pakistani batsmen and not because of bowling of Kaneria, who has tried his best not to give runs and keep the SA run rate slow. His bad luck was he could not get support from other end especially for Naveed and Shahid (except Asif). Putting the whole blaim on Kaneria while defening a mere 199 is not a fair tale. If you see his bowling figures in this test, it is much better than what Anil Kumble delivered while India tried to defend 211 runs in their previous test against SA. Kaneria (1st innings) average is 2.36 while Kumbel's 2.75 and (2nd innings)Kaneraia has an average of of 2.45 against Kumble's 2.96. The only difference is that Kumble got a wicket and Kaneria didn't. So, what better Kumble has done than Kaneria, 1 wicket only in the 2nd innings. My dear sir, it is your batting & fast bowling depts. which are to be blamed. Its a team effort which win the matches. A single person can rarely do the magic. We don't have to safe the others faces by blaming only one person.

    Yes, I agree with you that Kaneria should improve his bowling stock by learning some lessons from Shane Warne and other experienced leg spinners. But, he needs support and appreciation from us. Please don't make him a scapegoat. What about the no balls & extras delivered? Hope, that PCB shall try a better combination in the next test as far as the fast bowling is concered.

  • harsh on January 17, 2007, 8:10 GMT

    Guys, its not just Kaneria who failed. Kumble also failed right? All Pak fans should get on with it and move on. Pak need a legspin bowler and isnt he the best in your country right now?

  • Mansoor Nasir on January 17, 2007, 8:07 GMT

    I think, as the minority on this page have said before, that you are being too harsh on Danish. Okay so he didn't get any wickets but he gave Amla trouble throughout the second inning. I think that if it was not him bowling then SA would have gotten the target at least 20 over before they actually did.

    As far as taking wickets goes then I think some of the call for LBW were very close. Yes he does have a lot of variety and may be he should try to bowl with consistency instead of with variety as Paul Harris was doing. But in the latters case it was the Pakistanis who threw away their wickets.

    The lack of enthusiasm on the part of pakistani team when they took field on the 5th day seemed to show that they had already accepted defeat. It seems to me that you are putting the burden of the whole match on the shoulders of one person...

  • imran on January 17, 2007, 7:47 GMT

    Guys, you give a spinner 200 runs to defend, there is no time to WAIT. He had to try and change things up, to give Pakistan a chance. Now I agree, he is in-experienced, and needs to develop his game, and not even close to be a world class bowler, but give the kid a chance. He has done good, in the short time he has been around. If you want to blame, there is plenty to find, the batting (for God's sake use your head idiots), the bowling (Nazir, all I have to say, BOHOT BARA PAWWA LAYA HO GA, he does not even belong in the first class, bet you he has connection high up in PCB). Rana, he is not a bad bowler, he is streaky, and not made for this kind of pitch. It all depends on, who is carrying the balls around for the PCB, kis kis ne tutte uthaye hain PCB ke....

  • Mikesta on January 17, 2007, 7:28 GMT

    Let me first say that I am an Aussie fan, but generally an avid fan of cricekt internationally. I feel sorry for Pakistan that its most prominant cricket journalist (and one that gets most international exposure) is completely incompetent.

    Danish Kaneria is an immensely talented leg spinner. In Australia where all other bowlers where rendered useless, Kaneria kept on going. He has done well against India. The overally harsh Pakistani fans should learn to keep faith. Imagine if Warne had been Pakistani? He would never had a career past 3-4 test matches.

    I believe that one problem is that Pakistans attack and team generally is unstable. For gods sake pick your best team and best bowlers!!! I believe with a stable team, players will be better able to learn their role in the team and will be more effective including fielding. Captaining will be easier and Inzi really should consider some more close in fielders.

    Regards,

    Mike

  • Suhaib Jalis Ahmed on January 17, 2007, 7:28 GMT

    I think that Danish is a great bowler. Unfortunately, possessing so much variety seems to work to his advantage.

    He needs to learn to bowl normal deliveries much more frequently, and his special ones should be bowled once in an over or two overs.

    I think that Mushtaq should be able to help him out.

  • Gary Smith on January 17, 2007, 7:03 GMT

    Danish is symptomatic of Pakistani cricket - so much expectation put on average players who are expected to be world beaters. Fact is, Pakistan are a team of average talent and very little heart. The captain is probably 3 years past his prime, and the fast bowlers don't seem to operate without some or other illegal substance. Pakistani supporters would be best served lowering their expectations to a number 4 or 5 ranking in world cricket, perhaps beating the likes of England and West Indies occassionally.

  • Nasir on January 17, 2007, 6:03 GMT

    What about Mushtaq? If Kaneria is not performing then why don't we get Mushtaq back. He did have a record year in the English County season last year. This may put some competitive pressure on Kaneria to improve. If Mushtaq is too old and spent for the selectors, then I recommend having Abdur Rehman or even Shahid Afridi be considered as a spin option. Abdur Rehman impressed during the last one day series against the West Indies, and with Afridi, we can have an allrounder option which may bring a bit more balance to the team; especially in the absence of Shoib Malik and Razzaq. By the way! Mustaq is assistant coach these days. He needs to work hard with Kaneria to help him become a wicket-taking bowler. Else, I don't really see apoint in having him as a coach over Waqar. Personally, i think Pakistan should go into the second test with an all out pace attack - Shoaib, Asif, Gul and Nazir or Rana. Historically, spin has never been the deciding factor in South Africa.

    PS: Why is Shabbir Ahmad not in the squad. He is without match practice, but if we want him ready for the World Cup, then he should've been here. He is part of our four prong pace attack. Just look at his statitics!

  • Mike Rosario on January 17, 2007, 5:50 GMT

    Having read the various articles here is my summary :

    Kaneria : An excellent leg spinner ..needs to pay attention to the batsman much like Warne or Kumble.These greats don't get wickets because they spin or google but because they read the batsman and anticipate batting shortcomings of their opponents. Now , there are coaches to teach you how to bowl ..but the bowler needs to think hard before every dleivery.

    Pakistani Batting : Perhaps at the risk of offending Pakistani cricket fans ...lets accept the fact that we actaully have overrated batsmen. Our greats are miles behind a new comer like Ian Bell when it comes to technique , shot selection and judging the line and length of a delivery. For the life of me I can't recall a single Pakistani batsman who could actually pull or hook with technical perfection or ease. It was always a pathetic attempt and still remains.

    Lets take a look at some of the seniors and new comers:

    Younis Khan ..too much bottom hand , hold the bat like gilli danda ..now that is a fact..

    Inzamam ...Lazy and doped out dude.Possibly needs some caffiene before start of innings ..aging reflexes. Yousuf ..the best of the lot still needs to improve his judgement of the off stump and leaving the ball outside the off stump. Mohammed Hafeez..persist with the guy he can improve has decent technique. Imran Farhat ..sure he has managed to score ..but how many chances and what retarded technique..who did he pay to be part of the team.He is a waste. Yasir Hameed : Still needs to improve his footwork and off stump judgement . Faisal Iqbal : Not a good outing ..maybe okay spin technique needs to work on fast bowling technique..you can't hook or pull like that.. Performed really well against England and India, but needs to get his head right. Asim Kamal : Not given a consistent run ..perhaps the best technique in Pakistan batting.Yet not given the time to establish.In and out too many times. Salman Butt : Pls stay home ..no strokes , no footwork , no judgement of line ..how did he get in test cricket.

    Bowling : Can't have three bowlers doing exactly the same medium pace ..two is good enough.Need some flare ..speed on thes SA Wickets. Now Shoaib pls cut back on them drugs son ..you look high all the time ..get yourself together young man ..

    Thanks

    Mike

  • Tasawar Hussain on January 17, 2007, 5:06 GMT

    Looking at the careers of great leg spinners and their success at international level one can see the flipper proving more effective than the gugly. Shane Warne and Anil Kumble took so many wickets despite not having much effective gugly but they have a great flipper (quicker delivery) and if you go through their records they got more than 50% or their wickets on this particular delivery. In my view Danish needs to develop an effective flipper and learn variations in the speed along with more use of crease (working on different angles). Secondly he should focus on Test cricket rather than trying to win a place in one day side and going no where. Test and one day demands are different and in my view can effect your performance. So perhaps he should need to focus only on his test career at the moment.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on January 17, 2007, 4:52 GMT

    This one is for Sanjiv Ray January 16, 2007 6:43 AM.

    He says: "This is Kamran Abbasi himself profiling Kaneria in Cricinfo. What do I say ? Maybe the problem with Kaneria is that he is different. You know what I mean, and for that very reason, his contribution will always be questioned. Why doesn't someone convince him to take a new name, which was famously taken by one of the other guys in the Pak team and which supposedly is the only factor that has contributed to his recent stupendous performances............."

    Sanjiv tum kya bolta Ray? LOL......... :-)

    Hey dude, instead of using twisted and ambiguous words why don't you speak like a man? Are you trying to say that Kaneria is a Hindu and thats why Pakistani's don't support or respect him? What a load of cow dung. The whole Pakistani team respects him and, apart from so many others on this blog, I have always regarded him as a great bowler and in the previous thread about Qadir Vs. Shane Warne, I wrote: "Danish Kaneria took 132 wickets in 28 matches, whereas Shane Warne took 125 in 28 matches. And Danish Kaneria is the ONLY leggy who unsettled the Indians on their own soil. Bangalore Test match is a proof of that." And after the end of this first test, in this veru thread, I wrote that he bowled with a lot of zeal, enthusiasm and guile but without any luck....etc.

    What makes you think that Pakistanis treat him differently or Kamran Abbassi is profiling Kaneria on cricinfo, or we don't like him because he is a Hindu?

  • Umar on January 17, 2007, 4:39 GMT

    I think it is ludicrous to blame Kaneria. Again I must agree with readers who say that he is talented and will shine in the future. He is in his Mid 20's... name me another spinner who has reached the highs Kaneria has as to date. Plus another issue why was Hameed batting at 3?? Arent your best batsmen supposed to bat at 3/4/5. Faisal Iqbal undoubtley will be dropped for Yousuf. Yousuf will reclaim his 4th spot. So does Younis Khan go down to 6 or Hameed? The constant tinkering of batsmen is a huge problem. At 3 its sometimes Younis, Hameed, Afridi, Malik.... absolute farcas. Stick with Younis at 3 and the othe 2 giants below him. This in my opinion is the major flaw in the batting line up... the constatnt tinkering. My team for the next test would be Farhat, Hafeez, Younis, Yousuf, Inzi, Hameed, Kamran, Shoaib, Asif, Kaneria, Gul.

    Anyone care to diasgree??? Though ideally i would have Hameed as an opener and Kamal at 6, the sheer fact that tinkering is our undoing i believe that it should be as similar to the last game as possible.

    on a final note Faisal Iqbal in my opinion is only in the team as he is a nephew of a legend. He needs to stand up for himself and not count on family success. Kamal has shone constatntlt whnever played he deseves his chance.

    Salam, Umar

  • Arsalan Khan on January 17, 2007, 4:38 GMT

    Capetown's going to be an important test for Danish Kaneria.

    And you can just not question his determination - those forty impressive overs he bowled.

  • David Furrows on January 17, 2007, 4:30 GMT

    I really hope that Kaneria will benefit from having Mushtaq Ahmed as bowling coach, because the speedsters certainly won't!

    Kaneria really has everything except a flipper, but that is his undoing. On the one hand, he has the height of a Kumble and turns it more than Kumble, but he lacks Kumble's flipper, which at Centurion allowed Kallis and Amla to play him off the pitch on the back foot.

    On the other hand, he hasn't got the same zip to his leg-break as Warne, Qadir or MacGill, so batsmen can pad up to the ball pitching outside leg stump without fear of the ball leaping and taking the glove.

    The real tragedy is that of Mushtaq Ahmed. His last few Tests occurred when he was rusty and out of practice: he has actually - criminally - played only five Tests in the six years since he turned 30 years of age. If he had played the 50 Tests he has missed in that time he would be closing in on 400 Test wickets.

    Kaneria needs to develop a flipper and he needs to THINK about his bowling. If he can't do this, he is such a liability with the bat and in the field that Abdul Razzaq, Shahid Afridi and Shoaib Malik should play every Test as bowling all rounders (Shoaib batting as an opener, Razzaq at 6 and Afridi at 7) with Shoaib Akhtar, Umar Gul and Mohammad Asif as the only specialist bowlers in the line-up batting at 9, 10 and 11.

  • John,Austrailia on January 17, 2007, 3:51 GMT

    Don't blame kaneria for inzamam's stupidity...u have to let kaneria attack the other team and not to contain them. he is not gonna take wickets if he is trying to contain them...

  • awais misri on January 17, 2007, 3:25 GMT

    i think kaneria should be dropped, he has played under-par in the last 12 months...absolute rubbsih!! bring back saqlain, or lets try masoor amjad, or abdur rehman. maybe even a spinning allrounder like fawad alam might be good. as for an all out pace attack, that will not work, we only have 3 quality pacers; gul/asif/akhtar

    anyhows, just wanted to say that kaneria must have been drunk when he compared himself to warne...joker!!! warne bowled the ball of the century very early on, i don't see kaneria doin that...ever!!

  • shakil on January 17, 2007, 2:32 GMT

    He is the most over rated bowler plying the trade. Sami close second. End of discussion

  • saud on January 17, 2007, 2:27 GMT

    i feel it's time that kaneria works more on his disguise. I really feel his flippers ,wrong-one's are not disguised properly.He also should be more accurate in his bowling.his accuracy is still lacking. Further i feel he was pressurised too badly to take wickets and it was good batting by south africa that helped them to win .

  • Sikander Waheed on January 17, 2007, 2:05 GMT

    I agree with you. I don't know why Pakistan play him. Shahid Afridi has a better strike rate than Danish Kaneria, and a batting average of 37 compared to just 7 for Danish Kaneria. Afridi should play in place of Kaneria. Here are the bowling test records for both Danish Kaneria Matches balls runs wkts bbi ave econ sr 44 12354 6171 186 7/77 33.17 2.99 66.41

    Afridi Matches balls runs wkts bbi ave econ sr 26 3092 1640 47 5/52 34.89 3.18 65.78

  • Ashaq on January 17, 2007, 1:58 GMT

    Mr.Javed.A.Khan. your comments regarding afridis statistics for 2006 are highly deceptive.

    Afridi only played six tests in 2006. Whilst he performed well against the indians 12 months ago,scoring 2 centuries and a 60 against them in 3 tests.

    In the other 3 tests one against the srilanka and 2 against England he was a complete flop.

    Had he played in all the remaining tests in 2006 then logic dictates that his average would have been far lower then 47.

    Afridi is and has always been hit and miss. He fails more often than he succeeds.

    If you want Afridi in the squad because he sets the pulses racing and provides excitement just say so .But please do not patronise the cricket fans by claiming that afridi is a better batsmen then Inzi.

    No player has been given as many lifelines as afridi. He is certainly no match for Kaneria in the spin department either.As far as pure excitement value goes Afrid is number one undoubtedly.

  • Dr.Shakeel Ahmad on January 17, 2007, 1:50 GMT

    Dear all warne,qadir,mushi,kumble and kaneria are all world class,thats why they managed to play at least more than 40 m each.Useless to blame fate,system and role of media in building up stature of a player that also builds pressure on batsmen and it is a continuous process that is repeated after and before every series.Warne was lucky to have bigger media support.I am not taking anything away from him from ball of century to 708 test wickets.Leg spinners always attack,buy wickets and destroy teams.Most imp thing that determines how lethal a bowler is his 5 and 10w halls along with strike rates.Of course this is also inflenced by position of bowler in team,back up support from capt,boards and self belief that is ultimate result of all the support bowler is having--it is not just a heavenly input.After that comes consistency of bowling similar deliveries like Mcgrath( i am sure he is not a leg spinner lol.),not practicing too much variety.Warne was great in that.you all have records of all these spinners at your hand,look into it and determine yourself.if we consider first class as well Mushi,qadir and Kumble all outweigh warne and Mushi probably outweighs ever one else.Come on man it is not easy to take 100w in a year,look at him,still loves his country,enjoys bowling coach,serving his country and bowler of much less stature than himself.Imran used him and he won world cup along with other team.We can use him again but who cares

  • Rauf on January 17, 2007, 1:15 GMT

    As someone above says we got to get Inzi's Texas hat off! He HAS BEEN one of the best but he is getting into the typical mould of PCB-'pick the ones you know and nevr mind their ability'. Someone mentioned M. Sami? Plse dont bring him back. Man of the topic- Kaneria. Sorry Mr. Sanjiv Ray I dont concur with u. Kaneria has never impressed me. Let's try A.Rehman or the others - or even me! We HAVE to win the next test! And Mr. Abbasi your pics ok!

  • Khuram anjum on January 17, 2007, 0:14 GMT

    i am surprised why abd-ur-rehman wasnt picked for the test squad.

    rana is the one who failed pakistan. leaking runs at a very high rate and not getting wickets. he should be replaced in the next match. and faisal iqbal should be left out of the squad. kamal would be a better option. or find other batsmen who can fit in tht middle order. Imran nazir should be given another chance at the international level as he has good a very exquisite repertoire of strokes.

  • Vikas Awasthi on January 16, 2007, 23:39 GMT

    I think Kaneria has huge potential but he over tries sometimes. Partially the problem also lies with the supporters and the media (this is more so a case in the subcontinent).We are super quick in bestowing the status of a super star based on a single performance and then bring down a player equally fast based on a single off test. We must stop expecting every next person to be an Imran Khan, Akram, Kapil Dev or an Abdul Quadir. These greats were special and to emulate them will require a persistent effort and support.

  • gojjo on January 16, 2007, 23:22 GMT

    How can any legspinner solely be expected to defend a target of 199 runs? Warne operates in tandem with Mcgrath and Lee with a plethora of runs to play with. Legspinners are traditionally expensive. Ofcourse the other two essential ingredients are a cricketing brain and intimidatory tactics. Ever seen Danish's face just after beating the bat? he looks apologetic if not almost crying! never smiling ala Murali or Warne. For Pakistan to be a potent force we need a good no.6 batsman and a wicketkeeper who takes catches and can stick it out in the middle with the bat. Once a side scores over 400 in the first innings the bowlers can bowl better automatically. Sounds simple I know. Oh yeah and dont forget the fielding!-comical Kaneria!

    Shahid Afridi, Shoaib malik and Abdul Razzaq are bits and pieces players like the late Wasim Raja ( a bowler who could bat or am I batter who could bowl? - I dont know what I am!)

    Look at Shaun Pollock what a turnaround in the last 12 months, his career it seemed had reached its nadir and now he is contributing both with bat and ball ( bits and pieces but all falling nicely into place), if Pollock was a Pakistani he would have been dispensed with by our board long time ago(or hounded out by our media people like you Kamran). and by the way tell our players not to apply suncream and start toiling in the sun!

  • Naeem Husain on January 16, 2007, 22:50 GMT

    Looks like you have open a can of worms. Kaneria ia a good leg spinner. Pointing a fingure on him will do no good. It is the batting that failed. If Pakistan would have scored atleast 450 runs in the first inning and 300 which they did the game would have been in Pakistan's pocket. Due to pressure and limited runs no bowler can perform up to the standard speciaaly when every body counting on him. Kaneria is a great bowler and being a minority he is under tremendeous pressure. Thanks to Inzi, Younis and Yousef supports he is performing very well. Give him a chance. Support him instead of criticizing him. He is amatch winner. Bad decisions and drop catches are not his fault. He is a ambasidor of good will keep up the good work Mr.Kaneria. God blees you

  • Ammar on January 16, 2007, 22:41 GMT

    I think the problem with Kaneria is the same one Sami faces. They try too HARD !!! to make things happen. Shane Warne said getting people out required patience and deception. He himself hardly used a variety of deliveries later in his career, instead relied on deception by playing on the batters mind, a little field change here and there to make the batter think a different delivery is coming and yet the same ball. What Kaneria needs to do is work on his thinking and be more aggressive by being willing to GIVE UP RUNS to TAKE WICKETS, i.e. toss up the bowl, leave gaps in certain areas, things which make batters think.

    And on the other hand maybe we can have a bit of patience for him, to be fair to him he doesn't have the might of an Australian batting or fielding line-up behind and hardly any bowling support. Mcgrath was there for Warne to choke up the runs, the fielders would stop boundaries and take catches. Kaneria often comes in after Rana , Nazir, or Sami have been belted and finds himself playing 2 roles at once, stop runs and take wickets.

  • Mawali on January 16, 2007, 22:37 GMT

    Kamran sahib, Kaneria is a world class bowler who unfortunatly is under tremendous pressure to perform. No one knows that better than him. He needs coaching, counselling and training. But, alas, we just fired our bowling coach, but fear not we have Mushy Bhai, who is deeply indebted to Inzi Bhai who is deeply indebted to Anwar bhai and so on...

    To the gentleman with the handle "Lasse",(BTW, nice handle or name reminds me of a TV show), if you could enlightn us further about the dreadful teaser you threw at us "South Africa's record against spin in the last 20 years". Perhaps Kaneria can take some solace from that.

    To compare Kaneria with Afridi is sheer cricket blasphemy . However,it may just may help to sit Kaneria out for a game or two and bring Abdul Rahman in, sometimes a kick in the tookhus, helps restore lost confidence. Just a thought! AMF!

  • Faisal (London) on January 16, 2007, 22:27 GMT

    I am completeley agreed with people who says kaneria is "OVER RATED". I think Pakistan should try mansoor amjad, and also the left arm spinner they have tried in ODIs against westindies.I dont remember his name but i have seen him playing and he is a pretty good spinner.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on January 16, 2007, 22:02 GMT

    Owais Ahmad at January 16, 2007 8:42 a.m.says: "Anwar Saheb (from LA) your comments about Inzi's ego are disappointing and your comment that he is after Afridi career is not backed up with hard facts. Look at Afridi's record in last 1 year and you will see the reason why is he sitting out of the team."

    MY DEAR OWAIS AHMAD, Sir, your comments holds no water. During 2006 Afridi's average is far better than Razzaq and Inzamam. I have already posted this link and the statistics in one of the previous threads, anyhow take a look:

    http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/STATS/BY_CALENDAR/2000S/2006/TEST_BAT_MOST_RUNS_2006.html

    The above link will confirm that Shahid Afridi's batting average in test matches for the year 2006 is 43.66 runs which is not only better than Abdul Razzak's 32.53, but also better than Inzamam's 37.53 runs and not to mention Tendulkar's 24.27 runs.

    Not to mention, he bowls and takes wickets whereas Inzi doesn't and Afridi is a much better fielder than Inzi. Pls dont come back saying Inzi is a good captain! He is a captain because there is no one right now and as a captain he is a C.R.A.P.

  • haris khan on January 16, 2007, 21:34 GMT

    I agree with every word of it. We should play four fast bowlers instead and play shahid afridi in order to balance the side. I believe we have good enough fast bowlers to go through any batting line up. kaneria on most oocasions has ben disappointing, so he should be given a break and try either abdul rehman or shaid afridi. They are highly capeable of getting some runs as well.

  • Abu Ahmad on January 16, 2007, 21:15 GMT

    If a spinner has to be played Pakistan should seriously consider including Mushtaq Ahmed in the line-up instead of Kaneria who has been a disappointmet.Part timers like Hafeez ,Malik and Afridi can also be utilised to lend spin in the attack.

  • Imran From Rawalpindi on January 16, 2007, 21:15 GMT

    My take on this whole issue is that kenaria needs to slow down a bit. It appers to me that when he is boweling he is thinking ahead of him and he is thinking about the next delivery that he is going to bowl to the batsmen instead of thinking aout delivery in hand. if warne had the same pitch like kenaria had in centurian warne would have had made a keema of SA teams. Kaneria needs to learn how to work on each opposition batsman. I am very confident that shahid afridi would been better choice in SA.We cant talk about PCB becaz our whole national system evolves around dirty politics. In port elizabeth we should play with all pac attack, shoaib,asif,sami, and gifted umar gul.

  • Mohammad Manzoor on January 16, 2007, 21:04 GMT

    Kaneria would have been a threat to South african if pak had about 280-300 runs . 199 runs in 4 session isn't a big ask . All they had to do was block Kaneria and play other bowlers and get runs just because they had all the time in the world.But if pak had 280-300 runs , the story would have been totally different as South african batsmen would take some risk agaisnt Kaneria as well and then we'd have a chance .. Anyway, with the return of yousaf, gul and shoiab i think we have a very good chance to get back into the series. lets see which way the wind blows..

  • saha on January 16, 2007, 20:50 GMT

    He should land the ball on the seam as warne does.

  • junaid ali on January 16, 2007, 20:50 GMT

    id just like to say that at the end of the day kaneria is averging just over 4 wickets per test if u work it out,

    now surley they weren't all tailend wickets, At least give some credits to the man

    I can say one thing for sure kaneria has been marred with bad luck, he boweled well against england but didnt take as many wickets as he could have done.

    He is still young and has still got to take the learning curb but, overall pakistan have a great legspin bowler in kaneria

  • Arslan Shaukat on January 16, 2007, 20:49 GMT

    One of the reasons behind Danish's poor run of form in recent years is his refusal to grow as a bowler by listening and learning from the greats of the past such as Qadir and Warne. I read in one of his interviews that although he has received some advice from Warne but he wants to do it his own way and that he would prefer to make mistakes and learn from them rather than acting upon some advice handed to him by other players. This basically translates into Kaneria preferring in becoming a better bowler through trial & error method rather than learing from the greats of the game such as Warne and Qadir. To me, this attitude is self-destructive. Warne has always been open in his admission that he owes a lot to Terry Jenner (His leg-spin coach) and that advice from Qadir has also helped in his persuit of mastering the art of leg spin. Similarly, Imran Khan recently said in a TV programme that he made Qadir to talk to Richie Benaud to get some tips which would help in his development as a leg spinner.

    I believe, it is this attitude of Kaneria, due to which his progress has stalled, instead of growing & developing as a legspinner.

  • Omer Aslam on January 16, 2007, 20:00 GMT

    Can someone tell me why not bring Saqlain Mushtaq back?

  • haroon on January 16, 2007, 19:54 GMT

    agree with u. i was thinking about bring back abdur rahman in place of kunaria. the only best performance of kunaria is againts weak teams like bangladish. he is no where closer to warn or kumbli. i still support saqlin mushtaq. saqlin mushtaq was much better than mustaq ahamd and kunaria. although, he was off break but most batsmans strugle with his "dosra" deliveries. he is being wasted now becuase of weak selection of pakistan cricket board. he was never given a chance becuase of one poor test or series performace or maybe some iassues with inzi. i must say i much rather see afridi in place of kunaria. at least he is unpredictable with batting. u never know that he would make handred from 15 balls in sa. he takes crucial wickets in conditions that pakistan need it

  • Aamer on January 16, 2007, 19:52 GMT

    Kaneria's performance has gone down-hill in past 12 months for some reason. I wonder if he's just having a bad-patch or he's lost it completely. He gets frustrated quite easily. Woolmer and Mushy need to have a quiet word with him.

  • Amyn Habib on January 16, 2007, 19:23 GMT

    In the first test match, Pakistan played with just one quality bowler (Asif). But, I am amazed at the logic of people who suggest that we drop the underperforming (trump card) Kaneria for an even worse player, i.e. Shahid Afridi. It is really difficult to take seriously the argument that Afridi is a better bowler (47 wickets in 26 matches) than Kaneria. Their batting skills (based on recent performance) are probably comparable. And how long must we endure the other king of mediocrity, Sami?

    It is a myth that Pakistan is a “hugely talented” team that somehow always fails to deliver its promise. This is true of many of our “hugely talented” individual players as well. There is a way to measure talent, it is called performance, the ability to deliver results. If a player consistently underperforms get rid of him. Permanently—unless there is compelling evidence of improvement. Otherwise, bringing a mediocre player back repeatedly does not improve quality. Until our selection committee fails to recognize this simple truth, Pakistan has as much chance of catching up with Australia, as Kaneria has of matching Warne. By the way, I agree with Arshad Zaidi’s comment that the comparison is an insult to Warne.

  • asif on January 16, 2007, 19:04 GMT

    I think, you need more than just skill & ability to take wickets in test matches, its hard to explain but you need to have an uncanny ability somehow, which Warne clearly does, so i've seen him bowl fairly average & pick up 5er, and also do the same on a 1st day seaming wkt. Kaneria just lacks the X factor and should be shown the door. Guys like Rehman & Mansoor Amjad should be tried. They show alot of promise

  • Shahriyar Ahmed on January 16, 2007, 18:34 GMT

    Kaneria is all talk and no walk. He rarely takes wickets against top quality batsman and takes even fewer wickets when the preassure is on. Has anyone else noticed his facial expressions whenever someone goes after him? Top spinners like Shane Warne, Abdul Qadir, and even Mushtaq Ahmed would be looking the batsman in the eye, and even when the batsman would go after them, their body language would remain positive and sooner or later they would get a wicket. Kaneria, on the other hand, looks like a dog without a bone each time someone goes after him. He has all the variety a leg spinner needs, but his problem is that he doesent have the heart and he doesent have the temperament to be one of the best bowlers in the world. Inzy and Bob Woolmer have been very supportive of Kaneria, calling him their trump card, but I think sooner rather than later, even they will be forced to admit that Kaneria has been over-rated and can only succeed when he's playing against the likes of Bangladesh. As soon as he comes up against top teams like Australia, South Africa, India etc - and the batters go after him, he looks like he's about to cry, and cant wait for his over to finish. I believe a full pace attack with Shoaib, Asif, Gul, and Sami is the way to go, with either Hafeez or Malik as the part time off-spinner. Kaneria has no place in the team, unless ofcourse we're playing Bangladesh - in which case Kaneria would beg to be included in the team.

  • Helmi Ansari on January 16, 2007, 18:34 GMT

    You know I think he should stay in the team just because its fun to watch him run! He is like a stork about to take off flying in his long leaps that he takes running to the boundary! Hop.. Skip.. Jump!

    But seriously, his fielding could stand improvement - much improvement. Not to speak of his main skill - effectiveness at taking wickets ecopnomically. An average of over 34 does not a great bowler make. Time for us to have other options circulate through to see who steps up to the occasion and can take best advantage of whatever coaching and guidance seniors can offer.

    Sami, needs some time to work on his lines as he has been very expensive in both forms of the game and hasent really threatened big sides when it was needed. Fast bowlers do not automatically make good bowlers. Remember Shoaib and Sami at the last world cup going for big sixes at 95-100+mph? Shoaib has performed much better since in the little cricket he has played.

    I am encouraged to see Pak Domestic cricket develop with the new city based teams. Some sponsorship and money coming into domestic cricket is badly needed to spur proper early coaching and development so that we can have this strong pool for the National team. Ever wonder how Australia finds and develops such talent with a small population? Look at their domestic coaching and cricketing institutions and what they build and prepare to give the national team. It isnt fair to take a broken domestic system and push unprepared players who in some cases cant even bowl within regulations (Shoaib, Shabbir,) and are pushed to International levels to perform. They fail, get discouraged, and potential is never fully realized. And we all blame the captain and the coach for not accomplishing a miracle. Like turning Kaneria into Warne. Poof! Its done!

  • omar hussain on January 16, 2007, 18:22 GMT

    Dear Mr.Abbasi!Kaneria was robbed by the umpires in this test and the conditons were NOT in his favour on the last day.Have we forgotten how he sparked off 2 english collapses late in 2005 and won us the matches.I think he is a very unlucky bowler but when his luck is in Pakistan usually win.The bowlers were not in blame for the defeat it is the batsmen who threw the match away.The more i see of Farahat and FAizal iqbal the more i think that our selectors are either myopics or just doing some friends a favour.These 2 are below Test standard players.Asim Kamal and Afridi or even Salaman Butt should be playing.

  • WALEED on January 16, 2007, 18:20 GMT

    LOLS ............kaneria is comparin himself to warne .....HAHAHA.he must be drunk when he said that .......no dude shane is much better !!!

  • Imran Karim on January 16, 2007, 17:25 GMT

    I fully agree with Abbasi's point of view. if we look back his stats particularly his 5 wicket hauls, most of his victims were tail enders and runs conceeded were generally over 100. He does'nt seem very gifted, one of the poorest fielders in interanational cricket and above all his confidence level can only be quoted in negative sense. We can easily find better leg spinner than him in our first class circuit or even from our clubs. A leg spinner who isnt a match winner is a liability not an asset.

  • Shaka on January 16, 2007, 17:22 GMT

    I think the problem Pakistan have is a fear of trying out youngsters, they always seem to fall back on the old, often failed options. Pakistan should have played Fawad Alam, instead of Faisal Iqbal, giving them a decent spin option and allowing them to play another seamer instead of Kaneira. Alam and Hafeez combined would provide a much better spin option than Kaneira, who just doesn't seem ready for the highest level. He hasn't really had a chance to develop his game at a lower level and was maybe exposed to International cricket before he delivered results at domestic level. As for the seamers, I would prefer to see Azhar Mahmood given a chance and any one of the large number of youngsters making an impact domestically, rather than Naved-ul Hasan or Nazir, who just aren't up to it!

  • Rahul on January 16, 2007, 17:18 GMT

    kaneria is a waste

  • Shahriar Hoque on January 16, 2007, 17:17 GMT

    Kaneria had a bas first test. Needing 199 I was optimistic that in the DAY 5, Kaneria will make it interesting. However, it didn't happen and obviously it is sad.

    We should not compare Kaneria with Warne. 75% of Warne's ability is Kaneria's potential.

    If TEST 2 has similar pitch as in TEST 1 then I beleive that Kaneria will shine.

  • billy on January 16, 2007, 17:09 GMT

    Kaneria is an under-achiever and an over confident bloke.he has been given enuf chances by the pakistan selectors but never came good.i know most of u will say that he did win matches but the truth is that he comes and gets wickets only and only if there is firing from the other end of the bowling i.e shoaib or asif loosning up the batsmen for kaneria like we saw it in a Pak vs england series in pakistan in all of thoese 3 tests.and i totally agree with some of u guys that he aint good on the pitches that otherwise should help help greatly,thats very VERY BIZARRE

  • nasir on January 16, 2007, 17:07 GMT

    The fact that Kaneria is unable to run through batting sides on helpful wickets is a cause for concern. batsmen rarely look like getting out when he is bowling. I hope Mushie can instill some attacking instincts in him.

    If not Pakistan must move on and find a spinner who can take wickets because clearly Kaneria is going nowhere with his statisitics even after 5 odd years with the team.

    Perhaps some competition for his place may make him change his strategies.

  • Ashaq on January 16, 2007, 17:07 GMT

    It seems with the exit off both Inzi and Woolmer after the world cup,Kanerias days could be numbered.

    I think its time to look for a replacement. With Mansoor Amjad an all rounder and Abdur Rehman its time to give Kaneria some competition.

    The reason that Kaneria has failed to improve is that it seems that he is too proud to take advice.

    When asked about learning from Abdul Qadir this is what he said. " I want to be myself rather than Abdul Qadirs prodigy.I just want to make my own way in leg spin.When i started my own career nobody helped me then so I will carry on doing things my own way."

    What Kaneria fails to realise is that when your own way isnt working, then it is perhaps time to try a different way.A player should be humble enough to accept advice from others.

  • Arbab on January 16, 2007, 17:05 GMT

    Just one word to kaneria, "Over rated".

    Amen.

  • Raja on January 16, 2007, 16:22 GMT

    Imran Khan always said players should be chosen on two basis first whether he is team player and second is talent. I know Kaneria is definitely a team player he is there for however long Inzi wants. Now on talent I would score 7/10 as compare to Shane, Murli or even kumble. Right now there is acute shortage of LegSpin bowlers with most team having none. Kamran's commment are always extreme..Pakistan defeat should be blamed on batsman giving wickets to Paul Harris..they never attacked him..and let him overtake..leave the poor guy alone and let him do his above average decent job

  • Haseeb on January 16, 2007, 16:06 GMT

    Lets not forget shane warne wickets counting was around 350 in the year 2002. And to reach 700 mark shane warne took just 4 years more. So Danish is still at his early stages of the game. World cricket could expect better things from him.

  • Alex on January 16, 2007, 15:54 GMT

    Kaneria is overrated and needs to be dropped. Bring back Mushy at least he'll take wickets. Rana is not a test match player. Shahid Nazir is fairly mediocre. Bring back Shabbir b4 the world cup.

  • Naseer on January 16, 2007, 15:50 GMT

    Kaneria is Criminally over-rated and has never lived up his claims and he is wasting time of other good spinners

  • Mahadev on January 16, 2007, 15:49 GMT

    Kaneria is a very talented bowler, no doubts about it.But he seems not to be mentally very strong.All that agressive stuff he tries to display doesnt seem naturl.If he could use that energy in thinking he would start delivering.He is by far the leggie in the world now that Warne has retired!!!!

  • Samiir on January 16, 2007, 15:46 GMT

    wouldn't it be better if we pick shahid afridi as our premier leg spinner in the team ! He is a better fielder than Kaneria . And can obviously add some quick run(s) !

  • Masaood Yunus on January 16, 2007, 15:45 GMT

    Kamran, I would agree with you on this one. I think lack of competetion in the spin department is restricting Kaneria to offer his full abilities. Competetion is usually healthy and if Kaneria finds his position under threat in tests, he will definately put his mind to polish his skill in order to remain as a first choice spinner. We should have brought Abdur Rehman as he has the nip, skill and bolws tight line lenght. Kaneria needs to comme good and perform consistently i order to be really in the league of Murali, Shane Bond and even Anil Kumble. "Hanooz Dili door ast"

  • Arshad Zaidi on January 16, 2007, 14:57 GMT

    It is a great insult to Shane Warne that Danish Kaneria is being compared with him. The class of Warne is million light years ahead of Kaneria. Without any element of doubt, Warne is the best spinner ever played Test cricket.

    On the other hand Kaneria’s class is somewhere between average and mediocre who has never taken wickets in crucial situations against quality opposition. His pathetic figures speak for his class. His bowling averages is well over 40 against Australia and England whereas against India, New Zealand and West Indies his bowling average is in mid to late 30s. His strike rate of close to 70 balls per wickets is even more dismal. I am unable to understand why he is regarded as trump card. I firmly believe Afridi is a better utility player than Kaneria. At least Afridi is very capable batsman and a world class fielder.

    To be very honest, I do not see a place for Kaneria in the playing eleven. He must consider himself very lucky to have played 40 plus Test matches without doing anything worth mentioning.

  • Haider on January 16, 2007, 14:41 GMT

    Kaneria is overrated. And i have been saying that ever since he started playing cricket. Good starts against Bangladesh doesnt mean you are great. And 1 or 2 match winning performances are not much. Taking wickets after conceding 100 runs or after bowling 30 overs in an innings is no great thing. Kaneria is the Mohammad Sami of Pakistani spin bowling and we seriously need to find a new, a better spinner.

  • Jauhar on January 16, 2007, 14:40 GMT

    Hi Buddies!

    We can't deny, Keneria’s goodness being a class bowler. Even he has been pointed out excellent by international experts at number of occasions. But, we must understand the winning team composition & role of essential ingredients in the team for winning. In today's competitive world of cricket, what ever level you have as a batsman or bowler, if you don’t produce results consistently then more effective players have the right to come up. I just request PCB to please start behaving like winners. Come up with winning combinations. What's wrong with poor Ab.Rahman? He has shown his class in the last series. We had the same kind of debate regarding Qadir & Shane Warne. We need results, not just the mastery.

    Pakistan lost the match due to following limiting factors; • Even with low score on board, Pakistan team could not take benefit of chances - Paki bowlers except Asif were proved just fillers. In their own capacity they might be good but for match winning they were lacking something. • Due to the pitch conditions at later stages, Keneria was declared key, but he was non-productive in both innings - He could not get any success at a place where Paul Harris made life hell for Paki batsmen. It reflects some problem with him. What's special with harris? Keneria is also consistently non productive - Look at his stat of last 15 tests. We don't need paper tigers. • Pakistan middle order was very fragile. Why Asim Kamal is with the team - If as per Wasim Bari, he is a test match specialist, then why he is not showing his mastery.

    Long story short, this defeat is due to lack of wining combination & lack of winning team’s atttitude. We can’t retain stress on other teams & contain them. We can’t take benefits from opportunities.

    Cheers!

  • kamran on January 16, 2007, 13:45 GMT

    our team management has always exagurated about kaneria's skills and they always say in each test match that he is our TRUMP card and very rarely he has has proven that specially in front of good teams and very seldeomly ran through good sides.

  • Nawid Jan on January 16, 2007, 13:21 GMT

    I believe Kaneria's problem is much more mental than physical or technical which is what the author seems to be applying, if I am not wrong. He is easily flusterred, easily put off and easily frustrated. He is a bettr owler if he picks an early wicket. And contrary to general belief he is not an aggressive bowler andis more concerned eith economy than wickets. He could afford to be a little more adventurous even at the expense of his economy.

  • Qasim on January 16, 2007, 13:17 GMT

    I think the problem is the mentality of the player. See the emotions of Kaneria when he takes wickets. The problem which he should realize is that he is not a very good spinner nor does his record is very good. He has started comparing him with Shane Warne and want to carry the torch. The statistics are Warne Tests=145 Wickets=708 Average=25.41 Kineria Tests=44 Wickets=186 Average=33.17 and he should realise that his bowling average is going to rise when his age is going to increase. Its better to realize ones ability and keep mouth shut if he doesnot have it.

  • Burhan on January 16, 2007, 12:58 GMT

    The only problem with Danish is that he spins the ball big . I know it doesnt sound like a problem but at international level batsmen work you out and if kaneria keeps spinning the ball so much then most batsmen will just leave his deliveries , even those pitched with in the stumps and wait for the short balls . Therefore he has to develop a ball which goes straight on after pitching and that too with the same flight in order to deceive batsmen .Thats what warne does best and danish should learn to do .....

  • Tashfeen Qayyum on January 16, 2007, 12:47 GMT

    Having played with Abdul Qadir in Government College , Lahore in the mid 70's, I can vouch that Qadir was a better bowler than Kaneria even when he was in Gov't College's Board team. I have personally never rated him very much by what had I had seen of him on TV.I personally think that Abdul Rahman would have fared better in the pressure situation we had in the 1st Test. Instead of putting pressure on the opposition, Kaneria came under pressure himself and while under pressure he tried to take a wicket every ball. I have also seen Shane Warne over the years and the good thing about him was that he had confidence in his own self and was seldom under pressure, even Mushtaq would have done the job but Kaneria, I don't think so. It is a mind game and just spinning the ball is not enough when you can't even maintain line and length. 2 good balls and the 3rd goes for 4 and there goes the pressure from the batsmen.

  • Salman Qayyum on January 16, 2007, 12:40 GMT

    whenever Pakistan plays any series against anyteam like England, India, Austrilia ,West Indies etc Inzi always come up with these words in start of series"...Kaneria is our trump card.." what on earth Inzi thinks like this i could never understand. Kaneria is nowhere near a good bowler at all. He is very much average leg spinner. I have never ever seen Kaneria putting any good batsman in trouble. but still yet he is our trump card. No doubt in the end of every series he is always been heighest wicket taker bowler, but if you look he bowls 120 overs to get 5 wickets. Inzi always keep him from one end since morning to end of the game obviously he will get wicket in this case. His striking average is quite aweful but still he is our trump card. I am not saying about excellent batsman but even a average player can hit him out of ground anytime. I dont know how can inziman compares shoaib akhter with Muhammad Sami .. Kaneria with Shane Warne. Muhammad Sami is one of the worst ever bowler who has worst striking average from last 50 test. Please Inzi Bhai we all respect you but dont select player from your personal likings or dislikings.

  • Faisal Shabbir on January 16, 2007, 12:32 GMT

    I think he is not one of those bowlers who can correct their mistakes or make sufficient Plans for different conditions themselves. He definitely got the ammunition but needs a mentor to guide him in the likes of Mushi etc.

  • Badar on January 16, 2007, 12:29 GMT

    I agree that he tries too much variation. There is always one lose delivery in his overs which kept pressure on him instead of batsman. Also, i think it is not fair to him to be compared with Warne. There is no match yet. Danish needs time and a proper coaching (mental). Also, if one notices his performances after his county season is on decline (Same as saqlain and mushtaq). PCB has to look at this. This is our third spinner in the row. And in the end i think there is a need for another good spinner. Danish is not certainly my man but for the time being he is the only choice.

  • Momin on January 16, 2007, 12:24 GMT

    I remember dat before the home series against England in 2005, he had promised a new mystery ball ... where is dat?

    Else, it seems gloom gloom if not doom doom!

  • Yassar on January 16, 2007, 12:00 GMT

    He can spin the ball very sharply and a long way, he has a number of different deliveries in his armoury, he is tall and has the ability to extract troubling bounce and he bowls the googly better than most but for some bizarre reason Danish Kaneria has not managed to bamboozle as much as initially thought.

    I have seen him bowl many times and there is no doubt he is a good leg spinner. But in my opinion he goes for too many runs. I understand he is an attacking spinner and therefore is bound to go for some runs but he as an attacking spinner he also needs to turn in more match winning performances. We need to see more figures of 5-55 or 4-62 rather than 5-187 etc.

    I think his lack of effectiveness to a certain extent can be put down to the lack of pressure from the other end. When he plays with Shoaib Akhtar or Mohammed Asif bowling at the other end he seems to do better. I know Asif was playing in this particular match and they bowled in tandem for a certain period, but everyone could see that Asif was still feeling his way back to full match fitness even if he did take 7 wickets in the match. A magnificent effort and statement of his quality I might add.

    It also worth noting that Pakistan’s fielding needs to support it’s bowlers. Kaneria has had a fair share of catches and mis-fields of his bowling and this all can amount to releasing pressure of the batsman and frustration for the bowler.

  • Faisal on January 16, 2007, 11:52 GMT

    Kaneria needs a Warne like mentor, not Mushtaq – current assistant coach, who himself didn't succeed at the highest level precisely for one reason... too much variety. Kaneria is destined to meet the same fate if he doesn't change his mind set. It amazes me that Woolmer (with his two laptops supposedly having all the data he needs) can’t tell him what is wrong with this whole sorry saga.

  • Umair on January 16, 2007, 11:48 GMT

    Graham Gooch hit the nail on the head in his observation. Kaneria tries a bit too hard for his own good. and he is not the first one to do that, he is just following the legacy of his former pakistani leggies, Qadir and Mushi. The thing that seperates Warne from other leggies is his consistency and his ability to toil with batsmen mind. Spin bowling is all about getting into batsmen head rather than displaying all your varities in one over, as if you are trying to impress your captain rather than getting the opposition batsmen out. I strongly disagree qadir was better leggie than warne, cause even though he may be more talented, he wasnt consistent enough, nor was mushi. what i admire about warne is, he finds a length that troubles the batsmen and then probes on it. He tries suttled changes and varieties around that spot to give the batsmen more inconvience. I observed Kaneria spells yesterday, firstly as everyone suggest, he lacks a quality topspinner. Secondly, he was clearly troubling kallis and Amla, on middle and off line pitching just short of drivig lenght. But he didnt persist with that line, instead he tried too many things bowling in rough, putting it short, and never got any reward. He is a good bowler but he needs to learn the tricks of the trade extremely quickly, otherwise his days as international cricketer are numbered.

  • Asim on January 16, 2007, 11:47 GMT

    Anyone who thinks Kaneria is a International class, must be lacking basi cricketing sense. Anyone who is asked to bowl 100 overs in a test can take 10 wickets in the match. Same is the case with Kaneria. He is the most over rated under achivier in the world. In the same league as Muhammad Sami. Kaneria can not even control the flow of runs. I have seen him being hit for sixes at will by every tail end Tom, Dick and Harry, not to speak of the Top order Batsmen. Pakistan can never win the games on consistent basis if they think Kaneria is indispensible. Same is the case with Rana and Sami. We have Abdul Rahman who is 100 times better than Kaneria.

  • pramod on January 16, 2007, 11:42 GMT

    You are good as your last game, Sourav Ganguly is fond of saying it. Suppose if Kanaeria has managed to bowl Pakistan in last test I am sure the debate Mr. Abbasi started will be the heading "Is Kanaeria better than Warne?" I think he is the best spinner Pakistan has at the moment by a long margin. Afridi is a medicore spinner compared to him and moreover a vain fool wasting his talents because of his vanity. He would have been a much more matchwinner for Pakistan if he used his brains.

  • Wajid on January 16, 2007, 11:28 GMT

    Dear Omer Oh man, you are bit too soft on him. He is an overrated bowler all the way through his career. He has done well against Bangladesh only. Against England in last summar who are supposed to be weak players of spin, he was not able to manage his first wickets untill his 30th over in every match almost. SO dear we dont need Caneria. A.Rehman is there in SA who have done well recently. Give him a chance along with Gul and Akhtar and you will see the result. I don know why people think of him as a wicket taking option even if he cant manage a wicket on 5th day and it has happened more then once now.

  • Noman Yousuf on January 16, 2007, 11:26 GMT

    A well-written article Kamran! I think we should not let racism ruin the beautiful game of cricket. As far as Mr. Jag is concerned, we agree that South Africans were subject to racist taunts in Australia and we strongly condemn that but it does not give Gibbs the right to utter racial taunts himself. We also agree that some verbal exchanges are a part of the game but they should never ever be targeted towards any race or religion, rather they should be witty enough to later become the part of quality literature (refer to few wonderfully amusing articles published recently on cricinfo on the subject of sledging in Ashes). Crowd’s behaviour on that day cannot be presented as an excuse for Gibbs’s slurs; he is not an ordinary Joe on street, he was chosen to represent his country and he should have acted more responsibly on the field. And to all those people who are claiming that Gibbs’s words were meant for his teammates only: for God’s sake grow up and come up with a better excuse; he should not utter a racist remark even in his dreams, let alone to his team mates.

    Cricket is a gentleman’s game and we should all work together to keep it that way!

    Cheers!

  • Shahzad on January 16, 2007, 11:19 GMT

    Kaneria has always let his team down. He has never come good when its needed most. He was totally failed against India, England & now against South Africa. Like M.Sami he is also just waste of time & if Pakistan has to win games against good teams in future, a good spinner is must for the team. Its time to show Kaneria that he is not un-dropable. Even Afridi bowls much better at times.

  • Nadeem on January 16, 2007, 11:14 GMT

    Kaneria may not acheive during Inzi's leadership as he doesnt allow him to attack too much in my view.

    When this happens, he does too much with the ball and loses the focus on bowling tight lines and letting the batter make the mistake as well. Patience is a major weapon for a spinner, which Dani doesnt have lots off.

    Also, he will never win Pakistan games, even on turning tracks due to this. I have argued with him that taking 5/150 which he often does, is never going to put you ahead of the ball game, whereas Murali for example is someone who takes 5/50 for fun, puts his side into match winning positions in 1st or 2nd innings, time and again.

    Has he learnt this, I dont think he has yet...Bowling his stock ball is the key, not variety as he doesnt have it under control which gives rise to bowling a bad ball too often and letting the pressure go.

  • Senthil on January 16, 2007, 11:14 GMT

    Kaneria should stop comparing him towards Genius Warne it would put more pressure on the young leggie .He still has lot of time to be a great bownler .Before that you should prove yourself against all the topteams,tought condition and on top of that you need to have a heart as huge as Mount Everest.Once you prove yourself then you can start thinking about the coveted prize Great Legspinner in the history.Kaneria has a long ,long way to go

  • Gary Niblock on January 16, 2007, 10:56 GMT

    Sorry Kamran, I forgot to say that the pressure Danish is placing on himself to be a part of the one day setup may also be a contributory factor. Some will say this further strengthens the case Danish only plays tests but I see it more as selectorial incompetence. After all, would Pakistan really have won World Cup in 1992 with Mujtaba as their spinner?

  • Gary Niblock on January 16, 2007, 10:54 GMT

    Kaneria is too quick to go around the wicket on the defensive and should be more patient as others have said.

    One thing I will pick up on is the lack of competition for his place. Yes, a player needs to feel secure in the team and be shown faith in but he should also not get complacent. Imran Tahir has improved beyond recognition à la Asif since he played for Middlesex and surely deserves to be in the squad as second spinner.

    It is a delicate balance with Danish - he wants to always take wickets and he has an aggressive temperament like Abdul Qadir but he needs to find someone who can channel it the best. Maybe the great man himself.

  • Noman Yousuf on January 16, 2007, 10:53 GMT

    I think Kaneria has two major problems:

    1. His inability to bowl flippers and sliders 2. His mental strength

    Whereas there have been good wrist spinners in the past who did not have the aforementioned deliveries in their armories, and still proved themselves at the highest level, none could do without the mental strength. Kaneria tries ‘to try’ too much and end up getting nothing. He was extracting prodigious turn on that pitch but did not bowl enough over-the-wicket leg spinners on the leg stump and did not have a good slider to threaten the batsman either (quality batsmen read the googly very easily).

    He boasts a good record only against weaker nations so its time for him to pull his socks up and work on his deficiencies. In the meanwhile Pakistan can start thinking on the lines of playing an All-seam attack; they certainly have the resources.

    Cheers!

    Noman Yousuf!

  • murtaza on January 16, 2007, 10:40 GMT

    Even though he has been very inconsistent, he still is the best we have in terms of spin. In the news it seems like ony gul and yousa are coming bac in the next test. We cant win without bowling the south africans out twice and for that to happen some firepower is a must. We need shoaib back in the business. I think yasir hameed should stay and faisal iqbal replaced. What about Shoaib Malik kamran bhai? Is he in contention for this tour?

  • Abdul Rehmani on January 16, 2007, 10:37 GMT

    It was clearly the failure of Kaneria in England that costed the series to Pakistan; I saw the Chief selector talking on Pakistni TV about the SA batsman weakness to leg spin. Funny it was Paul Harris who showed the weakness in Pakistan batting line up. Kaneria did not do much against WI, and I am afraid he failed to impress against India. Kaneria took few wickets in Australia at very high cost. Pakistan bowling attack is the most ordinary of all right now; it stood in line with Bangladesh & Zimbabwe. Unfortunately there is no back up and I see not much change is possible, & there is an added problem with domestic cricket at the grass root level. In Pakistan they talk about finding hidden talent, most of the guys becoming cricketers by playing street cricket, most of them have some serious problem with technique.

    Just about every emerging bowler has action problem, I have no idea for how long Pakistan cricket board can sped so much money on fixing Action. If PCB can not work it way out from bottom up, it will suffer even worse. Pakistan cricket will never ever be a top team unless they look at the serious issue "Developing cricket at the grass root level".

  • Faisal Nadeem on January 16, 2007, 10:12 GMT

    Dear Kamran! I think you have hit the bull's eye here about Kaneria. If you go into the stats, you will find a similar strike rate of Afridi and Kaneria. If it is so, then why to choose a specialist spinner with so much optimism attributed to him. I never like a test spinner with an average of 35 around, they should be around 25. Moreover, tel me the occasions where kaneria won a single test on his own performance? You will say that in west Indies, and more prominently, in Multan against England. But both the performances were shared by Inzi (with a century) and Shoib(with a hostile spell). Isn't it much for a "match winner (As Ramiz always cals him)" who has now played around 45 tests? Another thing: Leg spin bowling needs a lot of thought into every purchased wicket, Shane does it, reads the mind of a batter. Tell me, why cound Kaneria went round the wicket on the 2nd day of centurian test. This is negative thinking. On technical side: Commentators from 300 yards can judge that he is gonna bowl a googly now, then how can't a batsman from 22 yards. He is always on the fuller side in terms of length and rarely bowls a futile top spinner. Mr Kaneria! to follow the footsteps of Greats like Warnie, one needs not only to be hammered by the batsmen like Lara, but also trouble them when it counts. Faisal Nadeem

  • Samel J on January 16, 2007, 10:07 GMT

    I to agree with you about Kaneria it seems odd on a day 5 pitch at centurion which was quite clearly taking spin he ends up after 20 odd overs with no digits in the wkts coloumn, while im not in any kind of position to critise an international sportsman, it is headache for Pakistan he has all the ability you could want in a young spinner and pereticulally a wrist spinner, but 'Vaseem' seems to have hit the nail on the head by quoting Graham Gooch, he lacks the paitence, im sure if he was to learn how wait and prey on mistakes that he causes by bowling in specific areas and not trying to bowl the 'wonder ball' every delivery(as he seems to want to do), he would be a far more effective bowler against, as in the last test vs SA, lower but pressure filled run chases, and for that matter in general. If you look at the spinning greats of the game, you would see they have too bowl a vast amount of overs to get rewards, now i can understand that Kaneria wants to get wickets but a little more reserve and 'waiting for the kill' is ALL Kaneria needs, im sure it's not through application he seems to struggle(for lack of a better word). It also hasn't been mentioned that Kaneria bowled well, but luck wasn't on his side, but nobody remembers the team who came second. Watching him in the past he has all the stock of a 'match winner' not least someone who could take 400+ wkts, whether he should learn or start using different deliveries may help him achieve this, but then again someone with the ability to turn thier leg brake should deserve perserverince from both us,the public and from the Pakistani Cricket Board.

  • b s sharma on January 16, 2007, 9:56 GMT

    dont blame Kaneria. Kumble also faced the same problem because they made the cardinal error of bowling on or outside the leg stump round the wicket. They are not shane warne. they should have bowled off and middle and allowed for the drive.

  • Talal on January 16, 2007, 9:55 GMT

    I think you are being very harsh on danish. He bowled well in the game. But the guy is impatient. He does try to do too much. He was bowling some beautiful legbreaks, if he persisted with the legbreaks amla would have edged one. As Amla did look very tentative when kaneria was bowling legbreaks. But i do agree kaneria needs to have a good flipper like warne or afridi.

    But i really think pakistan lost the match because of their first innings batting. South Africa bowled poorly and we gave our wickets away.

    The back up bowlers bowled poorly but maybe because they are ill prepared. A cleeshay perhaps, but i think its a valid excuse for the first test match.

    I think south africa are also looking a bit jaded and with gibbs out i think pakistan will have a hell of a chance in P.E and Cape Town

  • adnan idrees on January 16, 2007, 9:37 GMT

    It has nothing to do with your article. I am requesting to change your picture on the blog as it looks very funny. I understand you are trying to look cool but again a Desi cannot be cool specialy when they pretend to be.

  • usman on January 16, 2007, 9:34 GMT

    this is too all you pakistani supports out there who dnt have a clue about cricket & would have never played it! kaneria is a test match bowler not a school kid who plays for his school! he is bowling to the best batsmen in the world! it aint easy getting wickets you know....becasue if you think so then you should be playing for pakistan & see for yourself! i dnt know what these "pakistani supports" expect from kaneria...a wicket every over! be relistic! this pakistan team has some great talent like kaneria....how many other teams have a world class spinner, not SA, not WI, not bangladesh, not Aus at the moment and here we are us "pakistani fans" supporting our heros! you people dnt have a clue about cricket i think you should stop watching it completley & that will be great for the game! and b4 i go just one fact i would like to leave you with: 1) when pakistan toured australia in december 2004 keneria took more wickets then shane warne! kaneria bowled at Austrlaia batsmen...the best in the world....warne bowled at pakistani batsmen who are bunnys RIGHT! 2) Kaneria took more wickets then Kumble when pakistan toured india in 2005! kaneria bowled and the best batsmen against legspin in the world! with no ASIF or AKHTAR in the team for support!

    check the facts b4 jumping on some1s back!

  • Taimur Shaikh on January 16, 2007, 9:29 GMT

    I agree with the comments posted about Danish Kaneria. If we look closely at his Test match satistics we find that most of his wickets have come against the lowly rated Bangladesh. I personally think that another leg spinner accompanying the Pakistan Team to South Africa, Mushtaq Ahmed, is a better bet. Not only he is experienced but has a reasonably good track record on South Africa soil. Mushtaq I think still got another couple of years cricket left in him and he should be utilized. Along with him, Pakistan can also try out an upcoming leg spinning allrounder Mansoor Amjad and get him to train with Mushtaq. He has the benefit of being an allrounder who can bat much better than Mushtaq & Kaneria. All in all I think Kaneria has had enough international exposure and should now be replaced with someone better then him. I'm sure there must be lots of leg spinners knocking at the door and its high time that one of them whould be introduced to Test cricket. If Kaneria can get so much opportunities why can't they?

  • Mohammad Ahmed on January 16, 2007, 9:18 GMT

    I would have to agree with Vaseem (and therefore, Graham Gooch) on thier evaluation on Danish here. Spot on observation really!

    It really does seem like Kaneria just hasn't learn the art of "trapping" or "working" a batsman like Warne did. Infact, all the current (& past) greats like Murli, Saqlain, and Kumble "work" batsmen over until they draw a false stroke. And for that to happen, patience is the key. Once that becomes a part of a spin bowlers forte - he has all the time in the world to implement his strategy on a batsman - regardless of how much he gets hit around.

    Hopefully Mushtaq Ahmed will have a say in teaching Danish some of that patience. But in the end, a bowler has realize his own frailties and work on them in the nets, and more essentially, in his own mind.

  • Owais Ahmad on January 16, 2007, 8:42 GMT

    I agree with you Kamran that Kaneria is indeed an enigma but I guess the problem has identified really well by Omer Admani and Andrew G. The real problem was lack of quality bowlers other than Asif and Kaneria. Look at Kaneria's figures, he was pretty miserly in giving away runs. As for wicket taking ability, we should see how Ponting uses Warne and how Inzi used Kaneria in terms of the field setting.

    Anwar Saheb (from LA) your comments about Inzi's ego are disappointing and your comment that he is after Afridi career is not backed up with hard facts. Look at Afridi's record in last 1 year and you will see the reason why is he sitting out of the team. With so many talented guys knocking at the door, there is only a certain number of matches you can play without performing. Afridi stayed on for a year ! You say we all know Afridi is a better leggie than Kaneria ???? At least I did not know that !!!!

  • Ganesh on January 16, 2007, 8:42 GMT

    Kaneria is okie but I wonder what happened to Saqlain Mushtaq.. he was a genuine matchwinner.. better than kaneria anyways.. I seriously feel that Kaneria is overhyped.. he is good but not really spectacular..

  • MANSOOR on January 16, 2007, 8:34 GMT

    kaneria s problem is technical and not psychological. he can not deliver because he can not turn the ball from leg stump. why shane warne was the best because he can turn the ball from leg stump. kaneria can not do it because his wrist is not moving totally. and when you can not turn the ball from leg stump, you are a regular club level leg spinner.(these comments have been given by Aamir Sohail and he is Dead right) i always knew that kaneria is the most overrated player in this team. he is, perhaps the only spinner who can not take wickets even on helping traks. if you look at England series, where Monty Panisar took loads of wickets, kaneria was clueless. similarly in last match where Paul haris took 4 wickets, kaneria bowled wicketless in the fouth innings of the match.if you want to know what is the score of any team playing against pakistan in any match, just ask how many wickets kaneria took. if the answar is 5 wickets, it means that opponent team has made in excess of 450.(check the record of last 18 month. Bangladesh excluded). whenever Izammam said that kaneria is his trump card, i laughed so heavily i cried.

  • Chacha Koora Kirkit on January 16, 2007, 8:34 GMT

    I think we have been spoilt in the past with great world class players like Waqar, Imran, Miandad and Anwar. As soon as a new cricker comes on the scene we instinctively label him as a potential great.

    I think rather than relying on one man to do the job the Pakistan team should hunt as a unit. Pakistan lost the first test due to indiscipline in batting and bowling.

    This is after all a team game.

    Kaneria is good international player but he is not world class.

  • Asif Ahmed on January 16, 2007, 8:33 GMT

    For once I agree with you. I have watched Kaneria over the years and he almost never lives up to his promise. There is a lot of hype, but he rarely delivers the goods, especially against quality teams. He won a test against England last year at home, but what other quality team has he had success against? To be honest, Afridi has been a better bowler in test cricket than Kaneria--let's not forget his role in defeating India in India recently.

    You have to keep him in the side for now, but my patience is wearing thin with Kaneria. His other problem is that he appeals overzealously even when it is clearly not out, and that irks umpires; the end result is that he ends up not getting certain decisions (especially lbw) that otherwise might go his way. I for one, will never believe the so-called experts who talk about Kaneria being Pakistan's weapon late in a test match--not until he actually delivers against a quality team.

    For the next test, it seems pretty simple to me. Bring in Gul, Shoaib and Mohd Yousuf for Nazir, Rana, and Faisal Iqbal (who should be sent back home and asked to hang his head in shame for a year!). It is silly to ask whether we should risk playing these bowlers--why else are they there if they should not be played??? Rameez has already said that Gul is fit, and I think that Shoaib has shown in domestic cricket that he can play. He may not be at the top of his game, but his sheer pace will intimidate the SA batsmen, plus we saw that even a rusty Asif is better than some of the alternatives.

    Please don't even begin to think about mentioning Mohammad Sami's name. Now there is someone who really does not deserve to be there.

  • Irfan on January 16, 2007, 8:32 GMT

    Vaseem posted a very interesting comment, i totally agree that what kaneria lacks is patience and consistency, he ll try to many things if its not going his wat and kaneria needs some perfect spin bowling conditions to get wickets which is not a sign of a great bowler, warne murli or even kumble takes wickets on every kind of surface. What kaneria lacks is the intelligence and killer instincts required for a succesful bowler

  • Muhammad Usman Aslam on January 16, 2007, 8:31 GMT

    WELL its all not doom and gloom abt his prospects.. He was helped Pakistan win matches but yupp not done it himself alone , which btw is a true mark of a champion.

    Mr Richie Benaud mentioned him not as a heir to Shane warne's throne but an exciting talented legspinner to look forward to among all others in the world. Perhaps if Mr Abdul Qadir can give tips to Warne while he was On tour in pakist 94. Its time he gives kaneria some time too.

  • Babish Mohan k on January 16, 2007, 8:25 GMT

    If you look at the last two chases SouthAfrica has made against India and Pakistan 211 and 199 respectively with two so called world class leg spinners Kumble and Kaneria not even able to pick a single wicket we have to doubt their class on foreign soils.Definetely a Murali or Warne Should have buried South Africa on last day Pitches

  • Lasse on January 16, 2007, 8:08 GMT

    Take a look at south africa's record against spin in the last 20 tests you'll be suprised.

  • Fawad on January 16, 2007, 7:51 GMT

    In my personal opinion the guy has done above average job recently, but by no means he's anywhere near Shane Warne's class. He's the only geniune spinner Pakistani team has at the moment and we need to keep him in the team. Pakistan should have played Sami instead of Shahid Nazir, for his pace alone. Faisal Iqbal definitley needs to sit down and do some soul searching. Picking him over Asim Kamal or shahid afridi is beyond my cricket intelligence. Afridi may not be the best test player, but he can dent any bowlers confidence with one good knock (not to mention he can hook better then anyone in the team). Opening with Farhat and Yasir and bringing Hafeez one down can also help. Last but not least, its abotu time we give a little break to Kamran Akmal and give someone else a try before world cup.

  • venom on January 16, 2007, 7:34 GMT

    Pakistan can't win a test without Shoaib..so what if he is hot head he delivers..Asif is a new kid on the block and Kaneria is just overrated...who is only good on home pitches and against teams like England..Kaneria talk too much shit and then dont back it up..he needs a foot up his ass

  • saladin on January 16, 2007, 7:27 GMT

    Pakistan's problem is that 50% of its bowling attack - Sahid Nazir and Rana Naveed is substandard. Too bad Umar Gul is injured, but the selectors should have played Shabbir Ahmed over Rana Naveed. The idea bowling condition in the seaming south african pitches are - Asif, Gul, Sohaib Akthar and Shabbir Ahmed. Mohammed Hafeez is there for the spin option. Imran Farhat and Younus Khan can also chip in with a couple of overs to give the regular bowlers some break. As for Danish Kaneria, there was no harm in playing him for the first test, but if at all a spinner is required for the next two tests - either Abdul Rahman or Sahid Afridi should be flown in.

    All the batsmen seem to be in reasonable form, Faisal Iqbal will anyway make way for Mohammed Yousuf once he returns.

  • Faisal on January 16, 2007, 7:08 GMT

    Well, Pakistan need to create a Competition in the Spin Department. Remember , McGill was always breathing down the throat of Warne. Here there is no competition and thats why sometimes people take things for granted. Pakistan need to dig in their domestic setup. They brought in Abdur Rahman and Tahir Khan. Where are they now. Create Competition and see the difference

  • Saqib on January 16, 2007, 7:07 GMT

    i have observed that danish kaneria is giving too much runs for very few wickets in each inning's he give away about 100 runs to earn two to three wickets which is very very expensive and when you have to take wickets by blocking out runs he cant do that bowlers like shane warne and anil kumble always dry out runs and then batsman do make mistake and gave their wickets away you can even see the paul haris in his second test he has mesmerized both India and Pakistan top batsman who are thought to be spin specialist they cant score against him and gave their wicket away. either danish have to mend him self or he has to be drooped from test side until he understand how to take wickets with out giving out runs

  • Imran Zia on January 16, 2007, 7:04 GMT

    Pakistan may have lost the test match but considering they were without the service of their first choice players they did not do as badly as most expected. South Africa were made to sweat for the win. The batsmen were bound to struggle and a total of 313 in the first innings was disappointing but 303 in the second innings is not a bad performance. The main problem was Pakistan could not put enough pressure in the field and they leaked too many runs going about 4 an over thus making kaneria ineffective. There were not enough maidens bowled and Rana Naved and Shahid Nazir caused more problems for Inzimam then for the South African batsmen.

  • Sanjiv Ray on January 16, 2007, 6:43 GMT

    This is Kamran Abbasi himself profiling Kaneria in Cricinfo. What do I say ? Maybe the problem with Kaneria is that he is different. You know what I mean, and for that very reason, his contribution will always be questioned. Why doesn't someone convince him to take a new name, which was famously taken by one of the other guys in the Pak team and which supposedly is the only factor that has contributed to his recent stupendous performances. In any case, I don't think simply enigmatic and useless bowlers can take 186 wickets in 44 tests.

    "A tall, wiry legspinner, and only the second Hindu to play Test cricket for Pakistan (the first, his cousin Anil Dalpat, was briefly their wicketkeeper), Danish Kaneria mastered some vital skills at an early age. His stock ball drifts into the batsman and he has a googly as cloaked as any in recent history.. His whirling approach is reminiscent of Abdul Qadir, and he has now picked up the baton from Mushtaq Ahmed as Pakistan's premier legspinner. Kaneria was hyped as a secret weapon when England toured Pakistan in 2000-01, and though his impact in the Test series was minimal, he has since made his mark. Initially he did so against the lesser lights of Bangladesh, but also in a home Test against South Africa, when his five-for won Pakistan the match. Since then, he has confirmed himself as a bona fide matchwinner, leading Pakistan to wins against Sri Lanka in Karachi in 2004 and against the West Indies in Jamaica in 2005. In between, two tours - to Australia and the graveyard of legspin, India - became arduous but satisfying stepping stones to the big league. In each series he outscalped the leading legspinners of our age, first Shane Warne, then Anil Kumble and although Pakistan lost the first series comprehensively, Kaneria's 19 wickets were crucial in securing a morale-boosting 1-1 draw in India. He ended 2005 with two further, last-day matchwinning turns against England at home."

  • Nadeem Khawaja on January 16, 2007, 6:40 GMT

    I totally agree with Anwar and Vaseem. Kaneria is an extremely overrated bowler. He is mainly a 4th innings bowler. Inzi likes him and that is the reason he plays (post World Cup when Inzi hopefully retires, we will see Kanreia being dropped). A right arm leg spinner, unless of the caliber of Warne or Kumble, is merely a liability. His strike rate and average is not that of a class bowler (take out his wickets against Bangladesh, West Indies and then assess). I am sure with the number of overs he bowls, any bowler, especially Afridi, could take as many if not more wickets. I believe he tries too hard and in the process rarely bowls a similar ball in the same over (Gooch is spot on). He bowls a four ball every over a la Stuart McGill. He should control the amount of spin he extracts, introduce some bite in his bowling and introduce a flipper in his armory. He should also control the urge to bowl around the wicket (this should only be done to utilize footmarks on the wicket and that is possible in the 2nd innings only) as doing so he rules out any LBW decisions in his favor. He is also a liability as the worst fielder in the side. I believe he should be dropped (other than when we play Bangladesh, West Indies or at home) and be replaced by an off spinner or a left arm spinner.

  • Mohsin Malik - San Francisco Bay Area on January 16, 2007, 6:33 GMT

    January 15, 2007 10.20 PM - Pacific Standard Time

    “Walk the Talk” Kaneria - time to move on:

    Kamran Abbasi deserves a note of thanks for catching up with the heartbeats of many a team supporters and well wishers in a timely manner. Some of the comments posted above are truly indicative and reflective of Kaneria’s below par performance over the recent past. Relatively speaking, there is very little to highlight even looking backwards.

    No, it's not time for Kaneria to move on to the 2nd test and beyond in this series at least - until, a nod comes of its own merits and in the affirmative!

    He could not have asked for a more spinner friendly surface. It certainly turned out to be so for the leg spinner from South Africa with much less exposure at the international level. He was difficult to score off in relatively long spells of controlled action and held one end conceding very little - even to the experienced Pakistan top order. Also, he held his nerves together well. Above all, Paul Harris made his presence felt and count in no uncertain terms during the Pakistan 2nd innings with a telling contribution.

    Let’s be fair. The much revered leg spinner from Pakistan added to the team effort and made his contribution to the best of his ability but all said and done, it paled in comparison. Appropriately, we need to trace the fault line and see where it lies. In his case, an impartial assessment would help the cause greatly as the team struggles to square up the series next and looks ahead to the world cup and beyond.

    Unquestionably, all would agree on the underlying fact that Kaneria needs to “walk the talk”. There is nothing wrong for being ambitious but the “deliverables” in his case have been poor – both, in terms of quality and quantity (hardly quantifiable, to say the least).

    As in any business venture, with no R.O.I (return on investment) in sight, Kaneria’s future looks bleak and no one should take any surprises to find him sidelined soon.

    Simply put, it’s a no brainer that any modern day cricketer who has to occupy a key slot and position in the overall mix of the team at the highest level for any extended period of time, needs to possess above average abilities to deliver and come good against all odds.

    Just look around and the facts reveal for themselves in the form of present and past day outstanding achievers in the spin department. In the case of these highly successful individuals like Warne, Murallitharan, Intikhab, Chandrashekhar, Kumble, Abdul Qadir (just to name a few) success has been the result of more than just hard work. It’s been their ability to innovate and equip/load their armor with new and different style of deliveries. In the present realms of cricket, these are highly desirable skills that need to be constantly worked on and polished as you go along and seek advancement of your career.

    More so, it has taken the form of a whole new art that needs mastering in all of its forms and variations. It calls for more than the traditional delivery spun using the wrist and the googley in the case of a leg spinner and all that with a better degree of concealment.

    Unfortunately, Kaneria has failed to realize his full potentials, given the fact that he has not mastered the other variations and is read easily and predictability. The uncertainty factor that is so vital for the ultimate punch has been severely lacking in our lone front line spinner and may spell need for a change in that department.

    Unlike the old days, plain style spin bowling is simply not good enough to sustain the team effort for prolonged periods of time. This key slot needs to be handed over to a youngster who is equipped better in terms of subtle variations and has the desire and ability to succeed and sustain success with inherent capabilities outlined above.

    Let’s leave you guessing here. The not so young prospect seen in action during the recently concluded home series against the West Indies can ably fill in the boots. For sure, the flow of runs (leaks in case of Kaneria) would stop from one end and this would go some distance in helping the effort of the seamers from the other end. Pressure build-up in a given situation and in most other situations likewise, is a significant factor not to be ignored.

    This calls for a serious thought on the part of the team management to ring in this change.

    Mohsin Malik San Francisco Bay Area

  • Shuja on January 16, 2007, 6:27 GMT

    I agree and disagree with u on this one Kamran. Talent's definitly there, he just seem too easy to batsmen these days. After shane, kaneria is probably the most talented leggie around but he seems to lack the hunger for taking wickets. Bowling long spells doesnt win u matches..he needs to adopt..change his strategy.. try new things..maybe the tried n tested bowling 5 similar deliveries and surprising the batsmen with a googly might help.. patience will be tested.. maybe a session with the great warne might help. PCB shud arrange this. I'll end this by saying.. talent's definitly there !!!

  • Raza-e-Mustafa on January 16, 2007, 6:23 GMT

    I agree with all of you that Kaneria is a good bowler with good spin, lot of variation and a good height to deliver the ball from, but he lacks the temperament of a test match spinner. He is impatient to get a wicket every ball. The best thing for a spin bowler to do is to keep pitching every ball at the same spot, yet not at the same spot. I know Shane Warne working on the batsmen and never getting flustered, but Kaneria does too much, too many variations, too many reations and too many appeals.

    Kaneria in the last test looked quite off-colour, defending, instead of attacking. The only option for Pakistan was to attack and the leg-spinner is the best option to attack, but he kept bowling round the wicket and all the batsmen had to do was to fend the ball from going into their stumps round their legs with anything, bat or pad. Kaneria needs to learn a test-bowler's temperament otherwise the voices for his axing have started coming from different direction.

  • Omar on January 16, 2007, 6:18 GMT

    Kaneria, I beleive is the type of bowler who's true potentials are utilized on 'slow' and 'lower bounce' turning wickets, not the one like we had here at Centurian; fast and bouncy. On slow wickets the ball doesnt come nicely onto the bat and runmaking is generally difficult. On such wickets some good turn makes the life difficult for the batsmen a great deal.

    Therefore i am of the opinion that Kaneria should not be used in this series but sparingly. If we come across a suitable wicket for him (hardly likely in SA) only then he should be played. Otherwise we should do with the Asif, Shoiab, Gul trio and part time spin of Hafeez and Farhat. Rana Naved and Shahid Nazir should be the backup for them.

  • Babar on January 16, 2007, 6:14 GMT

    Yes, I agree with the comment of vaseem that kaneria does not work on a batsman and i think he also struggles for not having a quality flipper. He and Rana Naved have the same problem that they try too much variety and bowl on a consistent line. I think Pakistan should drop Kaneria for a series and try Abdur Rehman, probably this will put pressure on Kaneria and he will work harder on his bowling strategy.

  • wasif on January 16, 2007, 6:04 GMT

    vaseem you are right about that. but i dont know who and how will anyone teach him to be patient. after all someone must have told him about that by now! but the thing is its his nature to be impatient. when he gets the ball in his hand hes his own man. no one can command a bowler what to bowl. word of advice: kick him out of the team for a while, tell him that he has to quit showing off his variety and follow his performance in domestic cricket. if he gets his act together he can be a fine prospect for pakistan.

  • Shahbaz Faheem on January 16, 2007, 6:02 GMT

    Not only Kaneria. To me the whole Pak team is enigma except Mohd Asif. The Chief Selector is enigma, the PCB chief is enigma, having Mushtaq Ahmed as bowling coach when team has 6 fast bowlers is an enigma as well. Kaneria not taking a wicket when Mushtaq, the leg spinner is coach is also an enigma. The dropping of Shoaib at first place & then selecting was also enigma.

    Get back to the point. Kaneria should be send back to Pakistan to play domestic matches & improve on his bowling skills. It seems he is concentrating more on his batting rather than on bowling.

  • Amyn on January 16, 2007, 5:49 GMT

    I think that Kaneria needs to work on his variation. He is a good bowler but against great teams like South Africa and Australia you need more in your kit than what he has, I think Rana and Shahid were a bit disappointing in the first test and therefore much pressure was on Asif and Kaneria. Also I think our pace attack had three seam bowlers, we could have had one fast and two seam bowlers and Sami could have been given a chance. One more thing that we need to capitalize on good starts and stretch partnerships. Anyways good luck to the team in the next two test matches.

  • Haider Mahmud, Rawalpindi, Pakistan on January 16, 2007, 5:43 GMT

    I think Kaneria is bowling well. No doubt about that!!! He keeps beating the bat. Has been slightly unlucky. Also you need a little bit of pressure from the other end. If we have a strong pace attack that eases the pressure on Kaneria. The batsmen try to be agressive against Kaneria and make mistakes. But that is not happening. Kaneria needs a strong bowler at the other end who can atleast control the flow of runs.

  • John Beamish on January 16, 2007, 5:35 GMT

    That's the problem with Pakistan. No stomach for a fight; cut and change at the first hint of a problem. Kaneria (and Sami) would be in any Pakistan team if your selectors had a brain. And why is Azhar Mahmood missing? I would stick with UlHassan as well and for goodness sake let him bat ahead of Nazir.

  • Nabeel Adeel on January 16, 2007, 5:21 GMT

    hi kamran you use the rite word enigma for kaneria.i dont think he has performed againt top oppositions v well over the past few years.Against south africa it was the same wid him trying to many things.on a last day turning wicket u expect more from a guy who spins the ball alot anyway.overall we only had 2 bowlers who looked like taking a wicket and amongst them also kaneria did nt perform.shoaib and gul are must for next test and hopefully wid yousuf coming in thing will get better.Test matches are won by taking 20 wickets while pak did nt look anyway close to doing tht in first test.As for kaneria i also agree he needs to develop a straighter one attacking the pads for an lbw.just want to say again it is most probably inzi's last test series and he has to score for himself and the team. thanks

  • Aussie Mahdi on January 16, 2007, 5:06 GMT

    I am with you Kamran. Danish has been shrouded in ambition over achievement.He has failed to deliver when Pakistan needed the most.What did he achieve in last tour of England? The last day picth was a helpful one and he failed to harness a single wicket.Pakistan need to dump him and bring back Mushtaq Ahmad.

  • Taimoor Hasan on January 16, 2007, 5:05 GMT

    well.. i think kaneria is a good bowler...its just that he;s going through a rough patch at the moment....he HAS secceeded in the past not only against bangladesh and india but also against temas like srilanka, england and australia in australia and was also praised and offered help by former great richie benaud...lets just hope he comes back to his best pretty soon....

    another point that i think is important is tht i personally feel danish kaneria is a test bowler....he has a far greater success rate in tests rather than ODIs..and with the impressive performance of new comer abdur rahman i think kaneria needs to focus only on tests now...

  • Mudassir from KArachi on January 16, 2007, 4:52 GMT

    If Kaneria wants to be a successor of Warne, he needs to learn warny art of bowling. Batsman knows kaneria can turn miles and he also picks his googly well, so if kaneria pitches ball outside off stump why would the batsman bother to play it if it is not googly.Another thing HIS SPEED. Leg spin is all about flight and turn and playing with the patience of the batsman, and even if you ball fast leg breaks then for heaven's sake bowl wicket to wicket,like Kumble. As far as the flipper is concerned , boys are spot on, Kaneria will have to develop a good flipper to remain in hunt.

  • Haseeb Ahsen on January 16, 2007, 4:45 GMT

    Dear Mr. Kamran, well for me Danish Kaneria is one of best leg spinner in International cricket and if a bowler have talent and he is no picking wickets for team then it is captains problem. Inzi is so defensive in his approach while Pakistan Bowling aur batting and for me If inzi will captaing the side longer then I m sure that M. Sami and Danish Kaneria will be not there too long. because both have same problem no bosy in this world who say they are not good but because of captains approach they are not able to pick wickets so regularly and if Danish bowls in good one area and use all varieties from one spot he will earn wickets regularly because he is trying too hard to bowl from round the pads and he is not that kind of bowler who takes wickets from that angle because his height not suited for this and i m quite sure Dani will prove him self quickly to all and Pakistan will win Insha Allah.

  • Abdul Kadir Hussain on January 16, 2007, 4:34 GMT

    Again I agree with Kamran, the fact that he did not get a wicket is disturbing. He was out bowled by Paul Harris!! I think there are two issues, batsmen are spotting his googly easily and he has no flipper that pretty much kills it as far as a leg spinner is concerned. Mushy should take of the coach's hat on put on the green cap!! We should also have taken Rehman as a backup on this tour, Port Elizabeth is another normally slower and lower type wicket. As far as the 2nd test is concerned. The series is at stake, if we don't risk Gul and Akhtar now, we may as well not have taken them!

  • imran on January 16, 2007, 4:30 GMT

    I am very surprised with your comment Kamran. I almost forced to think that you are also a part of the politics that has plagued PCB. Sure he did not take many wickets...Show me another bowler who bowled 40+ overs with the average of 2.5...Just like Asif needs support, Kaneria needs support. You cannot expect a spinner to save you with less than 200 runs on board, let alone playing one of the best teams in the world. You are looking for a goat for PCB, and you find a guy who is humble, quiet, and comes in and does the job when he is asked. Instead of blaming all the top order batsmen (1-6), who do YOU find to blame, Kaneria. Instead of thanking him for delaying the inevitable, you are making him the goat, it is no surprise you have only 4 comments to this ridiculous article. Your article has no merit. Someone on top asked you to find a goat, and you find Kaneria. Who bowled all day, kept the batsmen under control, came very close many times, a bit unlucky if you ask me. Take a look at the match again. Kaneria is going to be a world class, but you have to support him, not with less than 200 runs, specialy against world class teams. I usually enjoy your articles, but you have touched the wrong nerve, not that I like Kaneria, but for you to find blame in Kaneria (who did a good job given the circumstances), when clearly the idiots batting (from 1 to 6) for Pakistan were to blame. Taking wrong shots at the wrong time. Just watch how Kalis and Amla batted out Pakistan. If SA wanted they could have come in today and started thrashing Pakistan all over the ground, and please 200 is hardly worth a pulse. BUT look at the temperament of Kalis and Amla how calmly they batted out, with a mission. Not like un-educated, trash players, Pakistan is known to keep in its squad. These guys could not think for themselves if their life depended on it.

  • ali on January 16, 2007, 4:30 GMT

    What I don't understand is that if Australia could stick to the oldest team in the world - shane, Langer, McGarth etc. What's wrong with PCB?

    As I have written before there is a feeling in Pakistan that once you cross 30, you're done. Those people should realize that fitness levels of today are far better than from their old days. Only a stupid team can have a match winner spinner , who has taken 100 wickets in English county (aka Mustaq Ahmed) will play him as a coach. I am even for Waqar Younis as a bowler if it means wins for Pakistan. We have 4 years to experiment with youngsters and that's enough. We are so used to be second or third number team. It was quite evident that our bowling is weak when we could not bowl India out on our dead wickets- we scored runs and lost wickets - India not only scored runs but lost very few wickets. Hell India even got SA out for 84 in their just concluded series. I don't know how we even thought that 199 is a good score, still bewilders me.

    We can defeat England and WI on our dead wickets an think that we are World cup worthy. We all know how could is England and WI (bar that ODI in India last year)? Just look at what thrashing they're getting from Aussie.

    I don't know why we consider ourselves World Cup worthy, we neither have the temparament nor the consistency of the Aussie. One has to know their weaknesses... Can't believe the way PCB dumped Waqar before the series? That's what happened when you beat teams in your backyard and start thinking you're world class. Shame on Inzi, Woolmer and PCB for letting your nation down.

  • Asad on January 16, 2007, 4:28 GMT

    Lets not focus on kaneria for our defeat. i think we need to look at other factors and stop pointing fingers toward kaneria. he is a good bowler we just gotta give him some time. he is also one of the improving player in pakistans team. Before we would say he cant field or bat and now when he has improved on both those things we r pickin up on his bowling. he bowled good in the second inning and a lot of bad decisions were made. if it wasnt for bad decisions kaneria would have finished south africa under 350 and then we'll be praising him.

    lets not forget that pakistan lost cause of their batting. Putting faisal iqbal in was one of the bad decisions from the start. i think Asim Kamal is a better test player than Iqbal.

    i just want to finish this by sayin, pakistan lost because of Batting not because of kanerias bowling.

  • Raghu on January 16, 2007, 4:23 GMT

    Mr.Abbasi, All I can say is,media is hyping too much about Kaneria's capabilities.I agree With Graham Gooch.Kaneria is currently in Saqlain mould,where varieties are taking over the two Ls(line and length)

  • Hammad on January 16, 2007, 4:13 GMT

    It is a common belief that legspinners are most effective on 4th & 5th days of a Test when the pitch starts to crumble and cracks become prominent. All recent legspinners Mushtaq, Kumble and Warne have a considerably lower 4th innings average than their career average. It is interesting to note that Kaneria's average in 4th innings of a Test match is 35.23 which is higher than his career average of 33.17. Does it mean he is unable to deliver the goods, when he is expected to? He rarely takes a wicket in an innings in his first 10-15 overs, whatever the match situation be.

  • PakSupporter on January 16, 2007, 4:12 GMT

    Kaneria will always be in the team as long as Inzi is captain. I liken Kaneria to Sami, both talented but very rarely produce the results that their talent deserves. Look at how Sami's career has ended up...Kaneria needs to start taking wickets:

    Not just against Bangladesh Not take 50 overs to take 4 or 5 wickets Not take all tailenders wickets

    Inzi also needs to stop showing such blind support for Kaneria based on some performance against the Bengalis 5 years ago!

  • Arsalan Khan on January 16, 2007, 3:13 GMT

    I think Kaneria bowled brilliantly, inspite of his wicketless performance in the 2nd innings. He was finding the rough patches consistently and got to beat Hashim Amla's edge more than a couple of times.

    I think all he needs to do is adjust more rapidly to the conditions. Once he's in he's as destructive as the best in the trade.

    Also, I would like to congratulate Pakistan for putting up a great "fighting" performance in the first test.

  • Farooq S on January 16, 2007, 3:08 GMT

    This is true that Kaneria let us down in the 1st Test but it is not a wise thing to challenge his abilities and his place in the team just bc of one test's performance. Yes, the conditions were favorable for him and lot was dependent on him. I think two things happened here:

    1) He was under enormous pressure 2) SA had plans to handle him.

    I know we all are sad but it is time to think positive. Kaneria has been involved in winning the games for us on number of occasions and let s hope that he will do the same again!

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on January 16, 2007, 2:00 GMT

    The weather and the pitch report on the 5th day was very misleading, the ball did not spin, turned and bounced as much as it was expected or talked about by the experts. But the fact remains that Kaneria bowled with a lot of zeal, enthusiasm and guile but with no luck at all. You cannot deny the fact that Kaneria is a very good bowler and he can only add pressure on the opposition if there is a decent total to defend. But, the way the wicket was behaving and the way Amla and Kallis were playing even 300 was achievable. Neither, spinners nor fast bowlers could have done any damage.

    For the second test, out of all the people Bob Woolmer should be able to judge better about the Port Elizabeth pitch and decide whether it suits the spinners or the fast bowlers? If it suits the fast bowlers, then I think Sami should be in. It is in situations like this you miss the services of Shahid Afridi. It was also very obvious in the first test that allrounders are important in any side and you cannot ignore them or compensate them with players like, Yasir Hameed, Faisal Iqbal or Imran Farhat. They should bring back Afridi in to the team, since Razzaq and Shoaib Malik are injured and we need an allrounder and Shahid Afridi is the man they need.

    Inzamams pathetic speech in which he tried to get away by giving credit to the SA team for playing better. Obviously the winning team always plays better otherwise how can they win the game? He should have addressed the mistakes that he and his team mates made in choosing the wrong shots or unable to score runs. It was a nice dodge and a short cut in his statement but what else do you expect from Inzamam? He is always short of words, as long as he is not short in making runs people will raise fingers at him.

  • Jamali on January 16, 2007, 1:55 GMT

    Your analysis is spot on. Kaneria is hugely over-rated and by none other than our Captain Inzimam. How many times have we heard him say that "Kaneria is our trump card" when in fact he has been little more than a filler in this Pakistani side. Also Inzi's adulation of Kaneria has blinded him and the selectors to other emerging spin bowlers such as Abdul Rehman who deserved a chance in the one day game earlier and still has to be given a chance in the Test arena. I hope Inzi and the coach have the foresight to bring Shaoib back in. Also it is time to send Faisal Iqbal back home who never looked like he is well-equipped to play at the international level. While the PCB Chairman's initial attempts of undercut Inzi were uncalled for, I fear that the pendulum has swing too much the other way for the good of team Pakistan. Let's hope better sense prevails regarding player selection in the remaining tests.

  • Hamid on January 16, 2007, 1:49 GMT

    True that (Danish or Dinesh?)Kaneria failed to live upto his own claims but I think the team failed as a whole, with every player "contributing" equally to our failure (Mohammad Asif should be dropped from the team) Now, can someone remind me when was the last time this "great team of great players" performed well overseas. While other teams perform, we make big claims. The World Cup of Bragging goes to Pakistan.

  • Humayun on January 16, 2007, 1:41 GMT

    First I'd like to say that Shane Warne is in a totally different class of his own. Unfortunately, Kaneria might have high ambitions but he does not have what it takes to get there. He has not won many matches for Pakistan and continues to be just mediocre. We all wonder what kind of talent there might be in domestic cricket of Pakistan, because I am sure there has to be some competition for Danish. The PCB Selection Committee cannot let this saga go on for much longer. I mean, we are already struggling within our pace bowling department, that we are so depleted and do not have much of a backup to our main 3 bowlers (Asif, Shoaib & Gul). I wonder would it not have been a good decision from PCB to send in another spinner on this tour? Perhaps Abdul Rahman, who did good in the ODI series against West Indies. Or someone else for that matter. Someone who can create competition and someone who can be equally good if not better, because I am sorry to say that but IMHO Kaneria is definitely not a world class bowler. He has a long way to get there.

    Kaneria has a bowling average of 33.17 whereas Shahid Afridi has an average of 34.89. Kaneria is suppose to be a premier world class spinner and Shahid Afridi a mere All-Rounder. There is definitely something wrong with that picture and statistics prove much more than words can explain. I believe there has to be a lot more talented young leg spinners in Pakistan who are just oozing with talent and need to be given an extended run in the international arena and would prove their worth. So far, Kaneria been unable to impress with the talent that he has.

  • Vaseem on January 16, 2007, 0:20 GMT

    I agree that Kaneria needs to take a look at the way he bowls. One of the best comments I heard was from Graham Goochh (his Essex coach) during the England series - basically Kaneria has little patience and too much variety. As a result he rarely bowls five balls on the same spot and "works" on a batsmen a la Warne. I watched his bowling closely during the test and Gooch is spot on: in EVERY over Kaneria will try AT LEAST three VERY different deliveries, rather than focussing on subtle changes in spin, flight and drift to the stock leg spinner and then throwing in the googly or top spinner or changing the line of attack.

  • anwar ,los angeles on January 16, 2007, 0:09 GMT

    dear kamran bhai..very much over rated player not even in pakistan but in international cricket also...i don't understand what is so good about him,this guy can not deliver whenever team needs him...never....when kaneria gave this statement that he want to replace shane warnes in cricket...i personaly think that he had some "DAROO " before giving that statement...trust me this guy is not even worth a spot in our national team...we can pick one leg spinner from any street in pakistan...and i bet that he will give us better result then dani... kaneria is good but only on home ground and only against india and bangladesh....kind of teams....sorry to say but i think...inzi has something to do with the playing of kaneria in the team....inzi has a texas size ego.and he don't like few guys in our team and he has something against afridi.. we all know that afridi is much better leg spinner then kaneria...and the entire country is watching him playing around with SHAHID AFRIDI's carear......someone must stand up to inzi and should stop him by picking up the weekest team player.....his approach to select a team is very poor...DUMP KANERIA ALREADY..PLEASEEEEEEEEE...and bring AFRIDI back please..

  • Andrew G on January 15, 2007, 23:43 GMT

    I think you are being a bit too tough on him.

    Kaneira will win matches for Pakistan - need to keep faith in him. What were the fields like that were set for him ???

  • Omer Admani on January 15, 2007, 23:31 GMT

    Kaneria is an enigma to me, too. There is not much wrong with the way he bowls, yet he comes out without wickets. He definitely needs to work on his flipper as batsmen seem to pick his googly and leave the orthodox legspinner too easily. One more thing he could work on is controlling the amount of spin he imparts on the ball. I think that is something Shane Warne mastered, which Kaneria could look forward to. I think Sami would be a big risk in the second test, as the problem in the first test wasn't Kaneria and Asif but the other two. If we can apply pressure with all 4 bowlers, then we can increase our chances of getting a wicket. However, if there is one bowler who might end up leaking runs from one end, we might see more of the first test. Besides, we will have Shoaib as an all-out pace bowler, we don't really need a second one. Also, with Kaneria it would be easier to play 4 specialist bowlers as he can bowl many overs while keeping it tight, as I believe Shoaib should be used in short bursts only. We don't want him injured again now. We are a better team on paper in the second test. The question is whether we can come back from the defeat in the first one.

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  • Omer Admani on January 15, 2007, 23:31 GMT

    Kaneria is an enigma to me, too. There is not much wrong with the way he bowls, yet he comes out without wickets. He definitely needs to work on his flipper as batsmen seem to pick his googly and leave the orthodox legspinner too easily. One more thing he could work on is controlling the amount of spin he imparts on the ball. I think that is something Shane Warne mastered, which Kaneria could look forward to. I think Sami would be a big risk in the second test, as the problem in the first test wasn't Kaneria and Asif but the other two. If we can apply pressure with all 4 bowlers, then we can increase our chances of getting a wicket. However, if there is one bowler who might end up leaking runs from one end, we might see more of the first test. Besides, we will have Shoaib as an all-out pace bowler, we don't really need a second one. Also, with Kaneria it would be easier to play 4 specialist bowlers as he can bowl many overs while keeping it tight, as I believe Shoaib should be used in short bursts only. We don't want him injured again now. We are a better team on paper in the second test. The question is whether we can come back from the defeat in the first one.

  • Andrew G on January 15, 2007, 23:43 GMT

    I think you are being a bit too tough on him.

    Kaneira will win matches for Pakistan - need to keep faith in him. What were the fields like that were set for him ???

  • anwar ,los angeles on January 16, 2007, 0:09 GMT

    dear kamran bhai..very much over rated player not even in pakistan but in international cricket also...i don't understand what is so good about him,this guy can not deliver whenever team needs him...never....when kaneria gave this statement that he want to replace shane warnes in cricket...i personaly think that he had some "DAROO " before giving that statement...trust me this guy is not even worth a spot in our national team...we can pick one leg spinner from any street in pakistan...and i bet that he will give us better result then dani... kaneria is good but only on home ground and only against india and bangladesh....kind of teams....sorry to say but i think...inzi has something to do with the playing of kaneria in the team....inzi has a texas size ego.and he don't like few guys in our team and he has something against afridi.. we all know that afridi is much better leg spinner then kaneria...and the entire country is watching him playing around with SHAHID AFRIDI's carear......someone must stand up to inzi and should stop him by picking up the weekest team player.....his approach to select a team is very poor...DUMP KANERIA ALREADY..PLEASEEEEEEEEE...and bring AFRIDI back please..

  • Vaseem on January 16, 2007, 0:20 GMT

    I agree that Kaneria needs to take a look at the way he bowls. One of the best comments I heard was from Graham Goochh (his Essex coach) during the England series - basically Kaneria has little patience and too much variety. As a result he rarely bowls five balls on the same spot and "works" on a batsmen a la Warne. I watched his bowling closely during the test and Gooch is spot on: in EVERY over Kaneria will try AT LEAST three VERY different deliveries, rather than focussing on subtle changes in spin, flight and drift to the stock leg spinner and then throwing in the googly or top spinner or changing the line of attack.

  • Humayun on January 16, 2007, 1:41 GMT

    First I'd like to say that Shane Warne is in a totally different class of his own. Unfortunately, Kaneria might have high ambitions but he does not have what it takes to get there. He has not won many matches for Pakistan and continues to be just mediocre. We all wonder what kind of talent there might be in domestic cricket of Pakistan, because I am sure there has to be some competition for Danish. The PCB Selection Committee cannot let this saga go on for much longer. I mean, we are already struggling within our pace bowling department, that we are so depleted and do not have much of a backup to our main 3 bowlers (Asif, Shoaib & Gul). I wonder would it not have been a good decision from PCB to send in another spinner on this tour? Perhaps Abdul Rahman, who did good in the ODI series against West Indies. Or someone else for that matter. Someone who can create competition and someone who can be equally good if not better, because I am sorry to say that but IMHO Kaneria is definitely not a world class bowler. He has a long way to get there.

    Kaneria has a bowling average of 33.17 whereas Shahid Afridi has an average of 34.89. Kaneria is suppose to be a premier world class spinner and Shahid Afridi a mere All-Rounder. There is definitely something wrong with that picture and statistics prove much more than words can explain. I believe there has to be a lot more talented young leg spinners in Pakistan who are just oozing with talent and need to be given an extended run in the international arena and would prove their worth. So far, Kaneria been unable to impress with the talent that he has.

  • Hamid on January 16, 2007, 1:49 GMT

    True that (Danish or Dinesh?)Kaneria failed to live upto his own claims but I think the team failed as a whole, with every player "contributing" equally to our failure (Mohammad Asif should be dropped from the team) Now, can someone remind me when was the last time this "great team of great players" performed well overseas. While other teams perform, we make big claims. The World Cup of Bragging goes to Pakistan.

  • Jamali on January 16, 2007, 1:55 GMT

    Your analysis is spot on. Kaneria is hugely over-rated and by none other than our Captain Inzimam. How many times have we heard him say that "Kaneria is our trump card" when in fact he has been little more than a filler in this Pakistani side. Also Inzi's adulation of Kaneria has blinded him and the selectors to other emerging spin bowlers such as Abdul Rehman who deserved a chance in the one day game earlier and still has to be given a chance in the Test arena. I hope Inzi and the coach have the foresight to bring Shaoib back in. Also it is time to send Faisal Iqbal back home who never looked like he is well-equipped to play at the international level. While the PCB Chairman's initial attempts of undercut Inzi were uncalled for, I fear that the pendulum has swing too much the other way for the good of team Pakistan. Let's hope better sense prevails regarding player selection in the remaining tests.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on January 16, 2007, 2:00 GMT

    The weather and the pitch report on the 5th day was very misleading, the ball did not spin, turned and bounced as much as it was expected or talked about by the experts. But the fact remains that Kaneria bowled with a lot of zeal, enthusiasm and guile but with no luck at all. You cannot deny the fact that Kaneria is a very good bowler and he can only add pressure on the opposition if there is a decent total to defend. But, the way the wicket was behaving and the way Amla and Kallis were playing even 300 was achievable. Neither, spinners nor fast bowlers could have done any damage.

    For the second test, out of all the people Bob Woolmer should be able to judge better about the Port Elizabeth pitch and decide whether it suits the spinners or the fast bowlers? If it suits the fast bowlers, then I think Sami should be in. It is in situations like this you miss the services of Shahid Afridi. It was also very obvious in the first test that allrounders are important in any side and you cannot ignore them or compensate them with players like, Yasir Hameed, Faisal Iqbal or Imran Farhat. They should bring back Afridi in to the team, since Razzaq and Shoaib Malik are injured and we need an allrounder and Shahid Afridi is the man they need.

    Inzamams pathetic speech in which he tried to get away by giving credit to the SA team for playing better. Obviously the winning team always plays better otherwise how can they win the game? He should have addressed the mistakes that he and his team mates made in choosing the wrong shots or unable to score runs. It was a nice dodge and a short cut in his statement but what else do you expect from Inzamam? He is always short of words, as long as he is not short in making runs people will raise fingers at him.

  • Farooq S on January 16, 2007, 3:08 GMT

    This is true that Kaneria let us down in the 1st Test but it is not a wise thing to challenge his abilities and his place in the team just bc of one test's performance. Yes, the conditions were favorable for him and lot was dependent on him. I think two things happened here:

    1) He was under enormous pressure 2) SA had plans to handle him.

    I know we all are sad but it is time to think positive. Kaneria has been involved in winning the games for us on number of occasions and let s hope that he will do the same again!

  • Arsalan Khan on January 16, 2007, 3:13 GMT

    I think Kaneria bowled brilliantly, inspite of his wicketless performance in the 2nd innings. He was finding the rough patches consistently and got to beat Hashim Amla's edge more than a couple of times.

    I think all he needs to do is adjust more rapidly to the conditions. Once he's in he's as destructive as the best in the trade.

    Also, I would like to congratulate Pakistan for putting up a great "fighting" performance in the first test.