World Cup 2007 April 1, 2007

Hail McGrath but remember Wasim

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Wasim Akram is the greatest bowler of his generation © Getty Images

Glenn McGrath, the human metronome, took Wasim Akram's record of most wickets in World Cup cricket. Australia have dominated the World Cup since Pakistan beat them at Headingley in 1999 thanks largely to McGrath's brilliance and the record is well deserved.

It says something about Pakistan's World Cup that their only bowler to set a world record in this tournament was Mohammad Yousuf who took a wicket with his only ball.

About the only positive I will take away from this tournament from a Pakistani perspective is the way that his contemporaries have acclaimed Wasim Akram as the greatest bowler of his generation. When that accolade comes from Brian Lara, the greatest batsman of the same generation, then that is high praise indeed.

Similarly, a host of Australians have stood up at the moment of McGrath's achievement to agree with Lara. That's saying something too since these are Australians who played in the last two decades, when their team ruled world cricket.

(As an aside, it has been interesting to hear the insight of Australian cricketers who have turned to commentary--I have always been impressed by Michael Slater but Damien Fleming has been a revelation. It just shows that success at cricket requires sharp brains, a topic I will return to in relation to Pakistan cricket.)

Wasim Akram was a colossus in world cricket, and the World Cup story was closely entwined with his own in the 1990s. It began with an inspirational triumph in 1992, when his late order hitting and double wicket burst swung the final for Pakistan. Everybody already knew that Wasim could make the ball talk but he went and did in a World Cup final.

Post Imran, the future looked to belong to Wasim but it never properly worked out the way it should have. In 1996, he missed the quarter-final defeat to India with a rib injury. And the 1999 campaign was a triumph but for the disaster of the final and a stumble against Bangladesh. On both occasions, as now, unsubstantiated accusations of match-fixing complicated the mourning.

That 1999 side, to my mind, was probably the best Pakistan has ever fielded at a World Cup and they played like world beaters. Waqar Younis was 12th man for heaven's sake. Indeed, the victory over Australia at Headingley was perhaps the finest by a Pakistan team in a World Cup outside the final two performances in 1992.

The resources available to Pakistan cricket in the 1990s allowed an administrative complacency to set in that has encouraged its foundations to crumble away. It created a complacency among the players too that manifested itself in sometimes hopeless performances.

Despite all his records, many people wonder if Wasim and his team could have achieved even more? Perhaps he and they could have. But let's remember he achieved all he did despite a career made more difficult by diabetes and the crazy politics of Pakistan cricket. Let's also remember that, like McGrath and like Lara, he achieved the utmost respect of his contemporaries. No higher praise is possible.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • John1618 on May 16, 2009, 17:01 GMT

    Very nice site!

  • John1413 on May 13, 2009, 1:05 GMT

    Very nice site!

  • Nikus on June 21, 2008, 13:36 GMT

    Sachin is best Bat and Warne is best bowler... No dispute....

  • sami on October 7, 2007, 19:56 GMT

    I think Wasim Akram is the greatest bowler of all times, the complete bowler.He had the pace,swing both conventional and reverse,control,variety and what not.The best bowler under all conditions and pressures that i have seen.All the great batsmen of his era including lara,sachin,steve waugh,ponting... agrees that he is one of the very few greatest bowlers of all times.We miss you Wasim the great.

  • zafar iqbal on April 13, 2007, 11:29 GMT

    hi i m zafar iqbal from gorakhpur (india) i m great fan of wasim akran no one equal of that he was agreat bowler of the world when i saw the matcha of that person i was very happy that time now this time i do not see more bcz wasim bhai action is very good. i would like to say from wasim bhai wherever you live i pray from allah u live fine i m great fan and younger brother of wasim akram allah hafiz

  • Prashaanth TR on April 9, 2007, 21:18 GMT

    WASIM.. The man was the greatest cricketer to walk the face of Earth.. A complete natural who did wonders with the red cherry.. Also more of an enigma and definitely more colourful than McGrath.. Wasim is truly the greatest..

  • sulaiman on April 8, 2007, 2:39 GMT

    wasim is the greatest bowler to ever play cricket, to get wickets on such batsmen paradise wickets of the subcontinent. I have never seen mcgrath ever bowl like that on subcontinent, he always has a big total to defend, when wasim was playing, pakistan didnt give him big totals to defend but he did it, that illustrates a legend

  • Darren on April 7, 2007, 20:05 GMT

    Wasim was a great bowler but lives in McGrath's shadow due to his suspect attitude. No one would could ever have imagined McGrath crying off injured before a Test after seeing a flat pitch as Wasim did on a number of occassions later in his career.

  • zeeshan khan hazro city PAKISTAN on April 7, 2007, 17:57 GMT

    i m agree with u mr.azhar.waqar is a better bowler den wasim even he played less cricket den wasim.he was a real strike bowler.he is a real patriot and sincere to his game.wasim is good but waqar is better.if waqar had played matches as wasim played den waqar would have many mor wickets den wasim.so stop avoding waqarrr he rocks after him it is imran and great ever mcgrath

  • Gohar hasan on April 7, 2007, 9:40 GMT

    I believe that With all Controversy Waseem Akram is the living Legend of Pakistani Cricket. He's a kind of Bowler who can take wicket at any time.

  • John1618 on May 16, 2009, 17:01 GMT

    Very nice site!

  • John1413 on May 13, 2009, 1:05 GMT

    Very nice site!

  • Nikus on June 21, 2008, 13:36 GMT

    Sachin is best Bat and Warne is best bowler... No dispute....

  • sami on October 7, 2007, 19:56 GMT

    I think Wasim Akram is the greatest bowler of all times, the complete bowler.He had the pace,swing both conventional and reverse,control,variety and what not.The best bowler under all conditions and pressures that i have seen.All the great batsmen of his era including lara,sachin,steve waugh,ponting... agrees that he is one of the very few greatest bowlers of all times.We miss you Wasim the great.

  • zafar iqbal on April 13, 2007, 11:29 GMT

    hi i m zafar iqbal from gorakhpur (india) i m great fan of wasim akran no one equal of that he was agreat bowler of the world when i saw the matcha of that person i was very happy that time now this time i do not see more bcz wasim bhai action is very good. i would like to say from wasim bhai wherever you live i pray from allah u live fine i m great fan and younger brother of wasim akram allah hafiz

  • Prashaanth TR on April 9, 2007, 21:18 GMT

    WASIM.. The man was the greatest cricketer to walk the face of Earth.. A complete natural who did wonders with the red cherry.. Also more of an enigma and definitely more colourful than McGrath.. Wasim is truly the greatest..

  • sulaiman on April 8, 2007, 2:39 GMT

    wasim is the greatest bowler to ever play cricket, to get wickets on such batsmen paradise wickets of the subcontinent. I have never seen mcgrath ever bowl like that on subcontinent, he always has a big total to defend, when wasim was playing, pakistan didnt give him big totals to defend but he did it, that illustrates a legend

  • Darren on April 7, 2007, 20:05 GMT

    Wasim was a great bowler but lives in McGrath's shadow due to his suspect attitude. No one would could ever have imagined McGrath crying off injured before a Test after seeing a flat pitch as Wasim did on a number of occassions later in his career.

  • zeeshan khan hazro city PAKISTAN on April 7, 2007, 17:57 GMT

    i m agree with u mr.azhar.waqar is a better bowler den wasim even he played less cricket den wasim.he was a real strike bowler.he is a real patriot and sincere to his game.wasim is good but waqar is better.if waqar had played matches as wasim played den waqar would have many mor wickets den wasim.so stop avoding waqarrr he rocks after him it is imran and great ever mcgrath

  • Gohar hasan on April 7, 2007, 9:40 GMT

    I believe that With all Controversy Waseem Akram is the living Legend of Pakistani Cricket. He's a kind of Bowler who can take wicket at any time.

  • vishnu on April 7, 2007, 6:28 GMT

    Mcgrath is like a machine. He may be an innovative bowler on the field as per players estimation. But atleast on TV he doesn't look exciting. He looks like Robbot whose job is to take wickets and help win matches. I have never seen on TV, A McGrath as entertaining as exciting as a Wasim Akram(For that matter quite a few times) in the world cup final. After all, what is life, if you cant' have some fun. Cricket after all is game. It is only a game. I love watching Akram, Quadir,Mushtak,Bs. Chandrashekar than Mcgrath or Warne(despite his ball of the century to dismiss Mike gatting).

  • Ahmed on April 7, 2007, 1:11 GMT

    rana haider are not u a part of one of those indian clicks who dug up pitches so pakistan and india cant play :P do not b hater respect talent!

  • marcus on April 7, 2007, 0:15 GMT

    Javed A. Khan

    Thank you for your understanding. You are right, English is a very adaptive language- in fact, you could say that we're basically speaking a form of Latin now. We'll probably all know a little Urdu in a few years. In the meantime, maybe we should take up Esperanto again?

  • Omer Admani on April 6, 2007, 23:24 GMT

    I have to admit that in the debate between Ashaq and Khansahab, I have a bit more sympathy with Ashaq. Calm down, Khansahab. In the earlier half you "attempted to establish you are superior, in the latter half you destroyed all knowledge(that your goodself had created) by "stating" that you are not superior.

  • AWAS on April 6, 2007, 23:19 GMT

    It’s been an interesting blog. They are both different type of fast bowlers and both awesome but interestingly, in this blog, every Australian has disliked the comparison whereas almost all Indians have praised Wasim. Where a rival countryman supports your sportsman that really means something.

    A good comparison between the two can be this. Wasim was what John McEnroe was and McGrath is what Pete Sampras was in tennis. One could play any tennis shot imaginable and had flair and the other who was essentially a serve and volley player and very consistent. We all know who won more Grand Slams but who would you rather like to watch?

  • Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on April 6, 2007, 20:42 GMT

    Javed A. Khan ......

    Now that you start calling me M&M, I guess I can easily call you JAK, it goes well with your personality too.

    JAK .... Your problem is that you assume things too much.

    I am living with my whole family and extended relatives in UAE, so there is no situation of chronic bachelorship, as it could be the case for someone living on the other side of the world. While regarding the day-off, in UAE the Government departments as well as some private offices enjoy a two days WEEKEND, and I am lucky enough to have the same too. That’s another wrong assumption by JAK. (Since you left UAE, it has improved a lot now).

    What I do not understand about you is that you love to blame Pakistan your origin, and hate Sharjah/ UAE too. So what next, you move to USA and start cursing Canada too.

    A typical Lota and a Thali Ka Baingan.

  • Rana Haider on April 6, 2007, 17:06 GMT

    Not really... McGrath is McGrath.. he's been ruling till now whereas it's been 4 year almost Wasim retired so who wins... i think it's McGrath who still bowlong wonderfully in such an old age. Keep it up McGrath n forget Wasim i believe

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on April 6, 2007, 15:22 GMT

    marcus

    Sir - your point is well taken that sometimes the translation is needed, will do. But, from my point of view its too bad that the Westerners don't understand Urdu quotes. Actually, they don't understand Latin, Greek, or French quotes either which are so often used in English language and are taken for granted as a part and parcel of the English literature. Although Latin and Greek as a language is almost dead for not adapting to the changes or not accommodating foreign words. Whereas, the French have realized it and accepting English words such as, Parking for 'Stationment' and replacing 'bonne fete semaine' with bon week-end etc. The reason English is widely spoken across the globe is due to its flexibility and adaptability in accepting and accommodating foreign words and phrases. The other point is, you have thought so much about the Westerners but, you have completely ignored of the majority, I mean the likes of our own folks e.g., Inzamam & Co., if Inzi hears this phrase, 'et tu Brutus?' He would think its some kind of Bhurta, may be Aloo Bhurta? ( I won't translate this ;-) 'coz its so well known).

    The Westerners have started eating not only curry but, demand a variety of desi food including Nihari. They also watch Hindi movies, sing songs, love bhangra and qawwali and dance at the tunes of Nusrat Fateh Ali, frequently use words such as, avatar, guru, karma, dharma etc., in regular writings. So, they will get used to it. There was a time, during the late seventies and early eighties, when the posh restaurant waiters used to stare at those people who used to order water instead of wine. Now, we hear a lot that water is very good for our health and we must drink 5-6 liters of water a day. Wait for a couple of decades when they will tell us that its more healthy and more hygienic to wash your butt with water instead of wiping it with a toilet paper. Not trying to prove my point through jingoism but, these are facts and reality of life. World Health Organization's report dated March 31, 2007 hails circumcision as vital in HIV fight read the report by clicking to the link below, it only goes to prove my point that the world is changing and we have to be more adaptable to changes. http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/hiv/mg19325973.500-who-hails-circumcision-as-vital-in-hiv-fight.html

    M&M's, hawwwww its too bad that you had spent the whole week-end typing out a lengthy and "huge" letter which is so much against your usual self, 'coz typing with two fingers is difficult. But what else a chronic bachelor living in Sharjah can do to kill his time on his day off which he calls it a week-end? I guess the traffic problem must have taken away the one and only entertainment i.e., going from Sharjah to Jumeirah beach and leer at the Russians. So, I do sympathize with you but please don't cry for me Argentina.

    Its very interesting but, not surprising to see how your perception about me has changed within 24 hours, when you were indulging yourself in creating poetic verses in my praise and decorating me with medals of honour, I considered that as nothing but flattery. Now you are suddenly bitter 'coz the heat is on you and you can't take it! Come on, don't be a spoil sport I think you can do better than this, so try again. I like criticism and not flattery, because I know that flattery will not take you anywhere. Besides, I believe that too much agreement breeds complacency and negativity and also kills the fun. Btw, this Harlem and Broncs style "man", "man" sounds very pseudo and artificial for a Al-Wahda or Al-Arouba street Hip Hop geezer, you should be saying ya "akhi" or "rafiq" to look more real, original and dish-dashing ;-)

    Like Calgary highlander said, I hate 'one liners' its true. Especially, the Nawaz Shareef style one liners, " I am agree" are so hideous. And someone has the audacity and cheekiness to write a one liner on this blog "you guys have nothing better to do?" WTF, why are you here then? We are at least contributing, learning, absorbing and discussing with each other, never mind if we are arguing which may appear to others as "fighting" but we are like this only! ;-)

    The reason I consider "Pakspin" as the best blog is due to its adaptability and flexibility in accommodating all sorts of comments and not just about cricket - some cricket extremists and fundamentalists demands from Kamran Abbassi that he must write only about cricket and nothing but cricket - imo, thats too boring and monotonous.(oh, imo = in my opinion, and 411 = for your information, 'coz = because, and btw = by the way, m&m you should go to madarsa taleem-e-balighaan or adult education school to start all over again) This is a true multi-cultural blog, too bad if people are not accustomed to its fervor and flexibility. Here, I feel at home. Just look at the other blogs on cricinfo and read those boring and insipid comments; I agree - excellent write up - you nailed it etc.. They are so formal and BORING..... Hail Pak Spin!

  • Jamal on April 6, 2007, 13:53 GMT

    Wasim was great, so was Waqar and Imran. Sarfraz developed the art of reverse swing, but Imran executed it. I had the honor of watching Imran when he was at his peak. Noone dared to face him. It was unfortunate that he got injured during his peak while he was averaging over 8 wickets per match and could have easily gone past 500 wickets. English and Indian batsmen were perplexed by his inswingers. I mean hugeeeeee inswingers sometimes starting from wide outside the stumps and crashing into the stumps. He came back after 2 years and went into the lions den at that time (West Indies) with Marshal and Ambrose at their best and tied both test and one day series and emerged man of the series and got highest wickets.

    Then came Waqar Younis, with his sheer pace and banana inswingers, he destroyed batting with wasim. Within no time he got 200 wickets and became the bowler who took 200 wickets in only 37 matches. Then he also got injured and got injured really bad. Missed 92 WC, lost pace. Same yorkers which were coming between 90-96 mph and distrubing furnitures got easier to place for fours. To me all three of them are the best fast bowlers because no other bowler had so much variety and swing as these three possessed.

  • Mabsoos Ahmad on April 6, 2007, 12:15 GMT

    Javed Bhai, I appreciate your making me aware of present attitude of Pakistani Heroes a not their integrity. It is foolish to think about this. A healthy criticism is good to make but when it crosses its limit and it is unpleasant. You have right to make criticism about the attitude of the players but on the other hand we have to keep in mind the services. There is definitely a difference between "Ghazal & Nazm" and you can not address the same tone in Ghazal and Nazm.

    Some how you are right that Sachin is beleived to be God-Like but must have heard that the security was to be increased after the exit of WC and there were lot of vandalism at the house of some players and that is why when they win they are God and when they loose, no God. This attitude is the reflection of sub continent and there is only change of roof and all the people are same.

    If you have been reading my comments I was first who has criticised about the selection policy. The politcs is there and we have to get out from this policy and it is not a good sign for cricket. I am really not upset with you but Bhai ko Bhai ne pyar se apni baat rakh di because in my opinion Wasim Akram has served Pakistani Cricket a lot and he is a perfect ambassador of cricket. Allah Hafiz.

  • zahid on April 6, 2007, 11:43 GMT

    waseem is the best

  • Ashaq on April 6, 2007, 11:22 GMT

    Khan Junior Aah how sad. You got your butt kicked by the Pindoos on the streets off Manchester. Now you come on Pakspin and get your Pompous snooty Ass kicked on Pakspin.

    So far you aint been able to put together a single cohesive argument. I feel sorry for you I really do. Never mind better luck next time I Munda Shariyan.

  • asim on April 6, 2007, 11:21 GMT

    i cant even believe this but that!s true that " i like wasim akram when i am just 3 year old" and that time i listen matches on radio. Everyone says Vavin Richards is Great and Dangerous Batsman and Imran is Great Bowler but i listen in Commentary Vavin Richards hit Imran couple of Sexes but as wasim come his clean bowled him. May that!s the reason i like him that time, till date he is one and onlly for me in Cricket Erina.

  • Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on April 6, 2007, 11:12 GMT

    Javed A. Khan ............ Its like either you are ultra sensitive or its ‘Choor Ki Dhari Main Tinka”, (hay in the thief’s beard). I mean anyone saying anything about anyone else, and you just get pissed.

    What I mean is that Khansahab mentioning ‘sulk’ and you get disturbed, someone praising Wasim Akran and it bothers you, I saying peoples have enough time on this blog and it pisses you, mention Sharjah or UAE and you are troubled, you don’t like Ashaq’s name and tehseel’s in Pakistan.

    What’s with you man .... get a hold on your life man !! or rather get a life.

    You argue, blame or have something against everyone here from Khansahab to Euseph to me to Ashaq and to everybody else.

    I really and sincerely pity the people living around you, I mean what they must be going through in their life.

    Well about Sharjah then, yes we call them Arbaab and tul-ammrak, but I also very well know what is the plight of ‘brown, asian, muslims’ in Canada and USA.

    One more thing, I have recently started reading this blog, so it will be a great help if you use proper language rather then this coded words like 411, sir kazem, pay & do, urdu poetries, panjabi proverbs and your colloquial slangs.

    Yes I have started to like this blog and yes I may be getting hooked, but see around yourself man…, does anyone else writes such detailed, lengthy, in-depth, and extensive notes on this blog. Tell me one thing, are you spending retired life in Canada or is it that you are feeling isolated, lonely and cut-off and this blog is your only window to the world outside?

    I know this is quite a long and harsh letter, which is against my usual self, but that’s because it’s a weekend and I had sometime on my hands.

    I hope this will keep you fidgety, twitchy and restless for at least a week or so ;)

  • shehzad on April 6, 2007, 9:01 GMT

    Man this mcgrah break wasim's record on weak teams. If ICC keep including these teams like Bermuda, Dead Zimbabwe, scotland, Canada, Ireland, Netherland, Bangladesh, Kenia etc etc, then every bowler can break Wasim's record. When Wasim made his record their were only a couple of weak teams in the worldcup. Mcgrath is a great bowler, but wasim is the king of all great bowlers. What nonesence of icc now they say he is the all time best LEFT arm fast bowler. Why LEFT arm fast bowler? Then they must make these categories too. all time best Right arm fast bowler, left arm google bowler, all time best doosra spin bowler, left arm leg spinner, right arm off spinner, medeium fast bowler, fast medeium bowler, etc etc etc. When it comes to a Pak player then ICC changes their rules man. What is this?

  • andrew schulz on April 6, 2007, 4:02 GMT

    Many things to respond to in this article. You could argue for a number of batsmen in this generation being better than both Lara and Tendulkar. But the point that struck me concerns your esteem of Aussie TV commentators. I agree about Flem, but I hope you never have to hear Brendon Julien. He cannot get two words out consecutively without stuffing up.

  • Azher A on April 6, 2007, 3:22 GMT

    Wasim vs Waqar in numbers: Test Mat Wkts Best Avg 5Wkts Wasim 104 414 7/119 23.62 25 Waqar 87 373 7/76 23.56 22

    ODI Mat Wkts best Avg 5wkts Wasim 356 502 5/15 23.52 6 Waqar 262 416 7/36 23.84 13

    You make the call if Waqar had played the same number of games as Wasim, he would have had more wickets than Wasim in both forms of the game. Wasim was a great bowler no doubt, but not a great person, he sidelined Waqar his biggest competition . He schemed against Javed Miandad who practically brought him to Pakistan Team. Then the Justice Qayum Investigation and fall out from it. Accolades comes from achievements but greatness comes from character. Stats pulled from cricinfo statsguru.

  • Omer Admani on April 6, 2007, 3:19 GMT

    I just had a cup of coffee. My knowledge is concrete now, Mr.Abbasi. Your defensiveness carries my point further. Who else can agree with Mr.Abbassi so often? Canada, England, or Switzerland, Mr. Abbassi is Javed Khan. It need not take a double personality to become Omer Admani; it just takes one alphabet. And look at how different your writing becomes with a change of many alphabets. And people say what it's in a name.

  • khansahab on April 5, 2007, 23:53 GMT

    Ashaq or should I say PIND DA PUTTAR.

    Dude, you got ripped apart and you look too desperate. Kicking my butt? It's clearly you who has been ripped to shreds. I can imagine your cheeks getting red and tears streaming down your face, feeling emotional about your sorry self.

    Before you take a "panga" with a munda shariyan, I suggest you take a course on the basics of the English Language. You need to know when to use "of" and "off". Your ignorance of this fundamental concept tells the whole story, man.

    Dude, if you can't learn the basics of the English language some gora may well kick YOUR butt one day :-)

    Ashaq, cool it man. No need to show your true inner pindoo self to us by making these useless aggressive comments. Grow up.

  • marcus on April 5, 2007, 23:47 GMT

    This is especially to Javed A. Khan. If you look at all the comments in this blog, some of them are made by Westerners. I'm sure that this blog-even if it's about Pakistan- is read by many more. So keep in mind that when you say "Vahem ka ilaaj tou Hakeem Luqmaan kay paas bhee nahee thaa" that not all of the readers speak Urdu and therefore have no idea what you're talking about. Some sort of translation might be helpful. (Please keep in mind that you're NOT the only one who does it, Mr. Khan, you just do it the most often.) Zeeshan, saying that Ponting's better than Lara because he has better statistics is like saying that Lennie Briscoe's a better detective than Columbo because he catches the killer in less air-time. Statistics aren't everything. I've already said why I think Lara's better than Ponting. Is there anything that's been said by anyone about it that you think doesn't make sense?

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on April 5, 2007, 21:05 GMT

    Omer Admani,

    Vahem ka ilaaj tou Hakeem Luqmaan kay paas bhee nahee thaa! And "Sayeen EU-Souffle" is a victim of Bi-polarism and split personality disorder, sometimes he thinks he is George Bush and sometimes Boy George and sometimes Giorgio Armani one day he might think he is Omer Admani. So, if you believe in him then you are not doing any good to yourself. :-)

    I guess you are in Toronto, Canada right? Mais oui, moi je suis Québécois and we just had our provincial elections on March 26 and I did not vote for Mario Dumont 'coz I don't like ADQ nor PQ and I love Canadiens and watch them at the Bell Centre on rue de la Gauchetiere, centre ville, Montreal. Last time when we defeated "Toronto Maple Leafs" at their home ground I was very "appy" parce ce que moi je suis Québécois ;-).

    Trust me, I dunno where Kamran Abbasi lives, may be in London or Timbuktu it doesn't matter, but he is a very knowledgeable person and may know all what I just wrote. See, I have "unfused" you even more than before, now you better go to Tim Hortons or Second Cup and have a nice hot cuppa coffee and think again who is who? :-)

  • Omer Admani on April 5, 2007, 19:42 GMT

    Now I am sure Javed Khan is Mr.Abbassi. He could have only pre-empted my response with a self-mock by putting my post under his (or, his before mine).

  • Nehal Singh on April 5, 2007, 19:13 GMT

    Wasim and McGrath are good but if u talk about a legend then don't look further than Kapil Dev. Young Kapil led his team to 1983 World Cup. Kapil for me was a much better bowler than Wasim, Waqar, Imran, MvGrath, Hadlee, Bret Lee etc.

  • Ashaq on April 5, 2007, 18:51 GMT

    Khansahab or should I say Khan junior.I am surprised you are boasting about your law credentials.

    So lets recap You accused me off being Jingoistic and Nationalistic. You then cited a particular post I made concerning the Trial by Media off the Pakistani team and Pakistan as a nation.AS evidence.

    I gave a point by point refutation off your assertion.For which you Mr aspiring Lawyer had no answer. You where unable to answer a simple question .Which is What does speaking out against the unjust behaviour of the media have to do with Nationalism?

    Only thing you have managed to come up with is self praise I am Prudent, I am Insightful, I am Wise, I am refined, I am Munad shariyan.

    you state that the comment you made about Mirpuri/Jhelumi was after what an Prudent analysis of what my Law degree has taught me. So your law degree has taught you how to be Bigoted against people off certain ethnic origin.

    Yeah I have enough Knowledge off law to know that you go to a court and present a point by point argument off your case. No my brother you dont sulk and stand in front off a Judge and say" Your Honour I am munda Shariyan I am Insightful, I am wise I am prudent". THat my brother is no way to present a case.

    So how does it feel to get your butt kicked by a Pindoo. Mr Munda Shariyan.

    I think if there was an Award on the Pakspin Blog for being Snobbish,Pompous, Selfabsorbed and completely devoid off being able to present a valid argument you would indeed be undisputed king. At least present an argument.Or learn the ability to defend an argument. Other than I am Munda Shariyan,I have Law degree. Nothing to boast about when you cant even make a semblance off a coherent argument.

  • zeeshan on April 5, 2007, 17:28 GMT

    mcgrath is the finest fast bolwer of test cricket history.while waqar and wasim are the finest fast bowlers of odi cricket.mcgrath is an oustanding class bowler.lara should praise mcgrathy most bcoz mcgrath troubled him more then wasim.it is right that there r only two bowlers who can compare with mcgrtah r waqar and wasim. lara is not the finest player of cricket.he is one of the finest.in test cricket u can say ponting finest coz of his outstanding avg near 60's.he played many match winning innings.in odi cricket sachin is much better den lara....so no way lara is the best.ponting and sachin have better statics then lara.

  • khansahab on April 5, 2007, 16:32 GMT

    I would like to begin with thanking Mr Mohammad Munir for his appreciation over my comments. Sir, it is quite heartening to learn that the effort I expend is acknowledged.

    The heat is on and alliances are forming..................

    Euceph Ahmed, I stated my respect for you citing that your writing style is fluid although I was disappointed at your bitter tone towards Mr Abbasi and occasional arrogance. However, one must not be overconfident and I regret to inform you that your assertion that Mr Javed A Khan and myself are but the same person is incorrect. Sadly your newly formed alliance with Ashaq has made you an automatic nominee for “Pay&Do Awards on Pakspin 2007” for which Ashaq is the topmost, undisputed contender.

    Ashaq, bhaijaan you are hopeless. You mentioned that I make less and less sense to you? Dude, I am NOT surprised. Unfortunately my knowledge of Mirpuri/Punjabi is as weak as your knowledge of the field of Law. All I can say is......Pind da munda tu, mai munda shairyaan.....................:-) And please, the “field” mentioned in the sentence before the last one, is NOT the field you have in the pinds (eg RICE FIELD) so let me clarify any doubts for you in case you’re scratching your head. :-)

    Finally, Javed A Khan is THE undisputed King of this blog, like him or not. I hope he continues to contribute consistently on this blog. It is an honour for me if my comments are likened to that or Mr Javed A Khan. LOL, some people think I am snobbish? Why would I praise/thank people like Euceph, Mohd Munir, Mawali and Javed A Khan if I was snobbish and arrogant? If I was snobbish and arrogant, why would I respect Mr Abbasi and feel for him when some individuals think it is heroic to unfairly criticise him?

  • Naeem on April 5, 2007, 15:43 GMT

    This blog is getting obsurd in too many ways. Past vs. Present? Why do we have to go there? I mean why? Its is non-sense bull crap. I have BEEN told that cricketers from the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's are better than 90's and current cricketers. I don't buy that what so ever. Cricketer from now a days have adapted far far better than from the past. I have heard bowlers from the past say they were way faster and they see current pacers as medium pacers. I don't buy that either. I was watching the speed contest between holding, marshall, lillee, imran and I think a few others. And some of them were hitting 79 miles an hour. Holding was the only one that constantly hit 85-88 miles an hour speed limit. I mean come on. Todays cricketers spend more time in the gym and are relatively fitter and stronger. I know a lot of medium pacers in Pakistan alone that can hit that speed and at the same time, past cricketer call them sheer medium pacers. The point is that cricket and cricketers only get better. There are a few cases where past cricketers are better than current. So lets drop that stuff. I am telling you, If Mcgrath played in the Pakistani team, he would have been merely pathetic. If Akram played for the Australian team, things would have been 10 times better for him. So again, IT IS ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL ABILITY OF A PERSON, NOT AS TO HOW GOOD THAT PERSON WAS IN THE MOST FAVORABLE CONDITIONS....NUFF SAID.

  • Nabeel on April 5, 2007, 14:20 GMT

    Mr Paul

    Why in the world are you mentioning the names of other bowlers in the pakistani team? When I say McGrath has a better team I specifically mean he has much better fielders to play with and pakistani team has terrible fielders compared to Australia.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on April 5, 2007, 13:32 GMT

    Ashaq

    I said you are a pay & do but, I never thought that you are so gullible, "lagta tou nai, shayed hoiyga!" Rana Ranjit Singh's court jester nnce told him, "lagta tou nai, shayed hoiyga!" I wish I could share this RRS joke here, but I can't 'coz its a bit long and prolly Kamran Abbassi would censor it. But, Ashaq, finally you got trapped in to the e-net of the wise man of Gotham. :-)

    Omer Admani

    In response to your brainwave about me being KA ...LOL ...you cannot say that I have clarified it later. Actually, I didn't get any vibes, still I was able to anticipate this move from someone, but wasn't expecting it coming from you. Anyways, I am glad that my post appeared a few hours before yours, varna you would have declared yourself a Pir Sayeen or a Valee, aur phir terhay terhay urr rehay ho tay! :-)

    The reason this thought came to my mind is, once at TripAdvisor travel blog, someone asked for help about staying at a hotel in Montreal. I recommended the name of a particular 5 star hotel and out of courtesy wrote the phone number as well and asked him to call the hotel directly. On that blog, there was a Munshi Euceph Chand, who retorted promptly and said, perhaps I am the sales person of that 5 star hotel and trying to promote the business to meet my sales target! So, I whispered it in his ear that actually I am the owner of that 5 star hotel as well as of TripAdvisor and this is my past time :-).

    MM of Al Sharqa ..... I have already replied to Inspector EUso. See, my reflexes are faster than your thinking, so tussi aussi we chup ker jao (aussi = also, in French) :-) And, btw its a shame that Kamran Abbassi censored the punch line from my previous post addressed to you, see my post again ......" its like >>" he removed the hilarious part after the >>, what a shame.

    Since you've got hooked on to this blog, so please don't repeat like a "takiya kalaam" kay "how much time peoples have on their hands for this bolg thing ?" Haven't you heard of that Urdu ki misaal? "E-soup bolay tou bolay, Channi kya bolay?" LOL.

  • AAMIR JADOON on April 5, 2007, 13:27 GMT

    Well Kamran I will first tell something about the Glenn Magrath and then about the Wasim Akram. Glen is one of the finest fast bowler in the history of the cricket, He has a great patience, and temperament during all his career, and he always teased the batsmen by his good length deliveries and always and always let the batsmen to make the mistake. His good length deliveries are very dangerous for the batsmen and he got the success in reward, but despite his good bowling, he also got the great help with his fielders and also his bowlers. And recently he has break the world record of Wasim Akram by taking the most wickets in the biggest event of the cricket. And he deserves that, But in my opinion he has no comparison with the Wasim Akram because Wasim has more variety and depth in his bowling than the Glenn, inspite the match fixing scandal he is the all time greatest fast bowler in the history of the cricket, I used the words all time great because of the following reasons. 1. He has a great control on the swing and seam in any condition. 2. He won the matches single handedly for Pakistan on so many occasions although victory against Australia in the Australia still is a big question mark on his ability but I think that he had won the series in Australia in my book in the 1999-2000, I remember the test match at Hobart where Pakistan had a great control on the match and also was in the winning position but suffered by the empire Parker's decision of giving the langer not out even on a very thick out side edge and giving Gillchrist not out when he was plumb infront of middlestump and deliberately padded the ball, and I remember Steave Waugh at the end of the match said that this is the best ever victory for me in my career. 3. He played most of his cricket in the subcontinent where the wickets are not bowler’s friendly, but still he hold a wonderful record in his career. 4. As a captain, he is just terrific he won the Carlton and united World Series in the Australia as a captain. 5. He is a very good batsman also and he won the matches for Pakistan even as a batsman. So I think that he is far far better bowler than Glenn but only Glenn deserves to break his record and that is truth.

  • Yousuf on April 5, 2007, 12:24 GMT

    Wasim is by far the greatest player Pakistan ever produced! I have great respect for Mcgrath, however I would not compare him with Wasim. Wasim had the art which most did not have in the 1990s and dont have to this date. He was a street-smart bowler!! If Mcgrath was born in Pakistan and got selected in Pakistani team, then I have serious doubts if had achieved what he did. Having a side like Australia put Mcgrath in a different league all together. So I would not want to compare him with Wasim. My rankings for bowlers put Wasim as the top 5 bowler in the cricketing history, and Mcgrath would be (maybe) top 15/20.

  • Kashif on April 5, 2007, 11:31 GMT

    No one can be great with the records, if it would be than Muhammad Yousaf is better than Sir Vivian Richard.

  • tariq from stockport on April 5, 2007, 11:12 GMT

    simple question: if wasim was sssooo good (and i agree he was) why isnt the PCB (Prime Collection of Buffoons) beating a path to his door to get him to be our bowling coach... Yet if he goes to help the Indians the same people complain. What is he up to these days anyway?

  • zain hamidi on April 5, 2007, 10:52 GMT

    I think saying wasim was the best bowler of his generation is limiting in itself. Will the world finally wake up and realize that in the post war era he is amongst the greatest fast bowlers. Starting from 1950 the list as follows : Lindwall, Trueman (for longegivity), Hall, Lillee, Marshall, Hadlee & Wasim. On a case by case basis Wasim edges out most of his contempories. 1) The excessive amount of cricket being played these days, 2)A slip cordon and general fielding level below that of a average club side (remember the natural movement of his delivery -being left arm is across the batsmen towards the slips) 3) His problem with diabetes and hip joint 4)The nature of sub-continent wickets where wasim has played most of his cricket. Amongst the company (mentioned above) he has played with barring Marshall no one distinguished themselves on the slow low sub-continent wickets. Lille never toured India or Sri-lanka and his total haul in 3 tests in Pakistan does not make pretty reading :1-303.

    I have time time and again heard people like Mr. Holding and Co. say he is the greatest left arm fast bowler - its like saying Richards was the greatest right handed batsmen of his era. Mr. Holding I think you should wake up and realize : this bloke was light years ahead of people like your self. So please give credit where it is due.

  • Haroon Syed on April 5, 2007, 10:31 GMT

    I hope my comments are posted this time... About the topic,maybe the timing wasn't right since McGrath is getting his praises,we could have mentioned Wasim earlier.Nontheless,we can obviously see that people from all over agree that Wasim Akram was the best bowler of his generation,possibly all time when it comes to skills.Mcgrath is great in his own right,but Wasim was in a class of his own.Personally,i rank Pollock equally atleast to Mcgrath. ADAM,Ponting is my favorite player these days,but you cannot scruntinize lara,i have seen him decimate the best batting attacks in the world.He used to club waqar younis all over the park in his prime,but i have seen ponting fail many times infront of shoaib.To me,ponting was an improved batsmen who in the last four year has touched greatness.You also argued that Lara's team is in disarray and he hasnt played any winning knocks.Well,i would like to argue that that is the biggest reason Ponting has been so successful.Most big batsmen are under immense pressure to perform well,look at Tendulkar,he knew that if he collapses,half of indian chances were gone(alteast until dravid came on),same goes for Lara.But ponting is blessed with a team full of talented batsmen and all rounders,you get rid of hayden and Gilchrist and out comes Hussey,clarke,Symonds,he is more free to play his shots and isnt that much under pressure.On the other hand,lara has been under pressure after 96,when richardson,last of the great WI players bowed out.If you want to see the real lara,go to his batting before 96,especially 92-94. Sharne warne regarded Tendulkar as the best batsmen because he was a legspinner.Indians as we allknow play spin very well,and i am not surprised that he ranked Tendulkar so high.

  • peter from tge southern hemisphere on April 5, 2007, 8:55 GMT

    Yet again, too many comments seen based on "Our guys are the greatest" nationalistic grounds rather than any attempt to compare individual's achievements in their playing eras. It is saddening to see so much rubbish based on emotion rather than serious reflection. And I consider The Pakistan Spin blog has as much impartiality. and informed content, as a Tony Greig or Bill Lawry commentary. "Nuff said,". It is ridiculous to treat personal opinoions on player's merits as fact, It is ALWAYS one person's opinion. I have not seen all the outstanding bowlers in cricket history, neither has anybody else. So my opinion on the greatest, is worth as much as any other in this discussion - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Of the fast bowlers I have seen in person, or on TV, over a mere 50 years, the bowlers I have enjoyed the most are Keith Miller, Brian Statham, Ray Lindwall, Wes Hall, Andy Roberts, Michael Holding, Dennis Lillee and Richard Hadlee. And I rate Hadlee as the most complete bowling talent, and I am an Australian - hopefully with both eyes open!

  • Paul on April 5, 2007, 8:29 GMT

    I can totally understand why Pak fans hail Wasim. He was such a great bowler and seemingly a pretty cool person too, but you have to try and be objective. Ambrose and Mcgrath were respectively the number one ranked bowlers in the world throughout their ENTIRE careers. Did Wasim make it to number one for even a month? And to say he was playing in a weak team is not a good point at all. In fact, he was playing in a destructive and feared bowling lineup...Waqar, succeeded by Shoaib.....and of course the great spinners Mushtaq Ahmed and Saqlain applying pressure at the other end. I don't agree with this point. A great bowler ala Shane Bond, Muralitharan will take wickets regardless.

    Paul. P.S. I like Wasim, but I dont like bias.

  • Bilal Ahmed on April 5, 2007, 8:07 GMT

    Wasim is best bowler in the history of cricket. No other bowler is like him. He is gooder than Malcom Marshall. He is gooder than Walsh. He is gooder than Garner.

  • s pervaizkhan on April 5, 2007, 6:42 GMT

    Wasim Akram has been a driving force for the cicketing world, his appearance with the ball assured us routing the opposition yet off the field a loving pertsonality. Mcgrath deserves the credit of bringing the ausies to this top level .welldone both of them,we miss you.

  • Hafiz Ibrahim on April 5, 2007, 5:56 GMT

    After reading all the comments made so far and also from the cricketing knowledge I acquired so far, let me express my opinion about this blog. My limited knowledge tells me:

    1, Mr.Kamran Abbasi's timing of his praise for Wasim Akram is the worst. Showering accolades on Akram right after another great broke his record tell something else about Abbasi (lets also remember his earlier Qadir vs Warne blog's timing). Doing this will only tarnish Akram's image, atleast in the neutral readers' minds, that is. If people praised MacGrath on this occasion, that does NOT translate to them foul mouthing Akram. But from Abbasi's blog, it looks like there is a need to renew Akram's image at this time. There is no need because Akram will always be the great Akram.

    2, Being a Pakistani oriented blog, it is no big surprise to see about 20 akram-biased comments for every neutral comment and I don't think its anyone's fault either. Obviously, in an Australian blog, you should see far more pro- McGrath comments. In any case, comparison between the two (taking in to account their teams, playing grounds, oppositions etc) is an extremely difficult job. But isn't it odd to see so many people being so confident at comparing these players and drawing quick conclusions? Atleast to me, it looks like whatever difference is there between their talents, should be very meagre. As many said, McGrath will be MAINLY known for his accuracy and akram for his swinging deliveries. For me, watching akram's deliveries were more enjoyable than watching macgrath's accuracy. But that doesn't mean batsmen had more fear for akram or that he was way better. Maybe he was better slightly or maybe it was the other way around.

    3, A subtopic has started here within the main discussion - lara's comments and lara vs sachin Lara (prbly the best in this generation along with sachin) no matter how great he was is human. We can't be sure what was in his mind when he said that....maybe he had just seen off a series with pakistan. Or for some reason, Akram was on his mind at that time. Simply quoting some statement someone made during some point of time doesn't make sense to me. Would Mr.Abbasi agree with everything Lara says? What if tomorrow Lara says that Vaas is better than Waqar? Then he would need to find someone else who at some point might have said that Waqar is the best. Waqar and Wasim are two of the best fast bowlers ever. But they will remain so even without (and especially without) anyone's desperate attempt to praise them at this ill timing.

    Lets enjoy MacGrath record now as we have enjoyed Akram's and Younis's records in the bygone times!

  • aditya shetty on April 5, 2007, 5:49 GMT

    For most cricket fans shane warne bowled the ball of century.but according to me it was bowled in the infamous test match (which no indian and no sachin fan would forget which includes me)played in 1999 madras between india and pakistan.It was bowled in the second innings by the greatest fast bowler of this modern era ,WASIM AKRAM,It was bowled from over the wicket and the ball swung in and pitched on middle and nipped away to hit the top of the off stump.No chance for the batsmen at akrams pace. the ball was more special cos it had beaten the toughest defence of the indian line up. i dont think i need to say it was rahul dravid. cheers to wasim akram. THE GREATEST EXPONENT OF SEAM AND SWING BOWLING.

  • Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on April 5, 2007, 4:56 GMT

    To : Euceph Ahmed at April 4, 2007 10:36 PM

    Javed A. Khan and Khansahab are the same and one person ??????????????

    No way, getta outta here, are you kidding me, is this some kind of April Fool’s joke ?

    I mean I liked comments from both these guys; besides how much time peoples have on their hands for this bolg thing ?

    Javed A. Khan and Khansahab ....... over to you gentlemen, now prove it otherwise.

    This blog is getting better by the ...... minute.

  • Omer Admani on April 5, 2007, 4:37 GMT

    Javed Khan is Khansahab? You know what I always thought, Javed Khan is Mr. Abbasi himself. Always spicing up his own debate, and always agreeing with himself. If he posts this..

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on April 5, 2007, 1:40 GMT

    This thread is becoming far more interesting than perviously thought - just for a few people I guess!

    Mohammad Munir you just made a big blunder by not mentioning the name of the guy who misspells the name of a Prophet, and he is unhappy because:

    Vo baat saaray fasaanay may jis kaa zikr na thaa Vo baat un ko bahot naa gavaar guzarii hai

    MM; 411 like Imran Khan, when he was at the peak of his cricketing career announced his retirement gracefully after the 1992 WC whereas, Inzamam decided to call it a day from the ODI appearances after a disgraceful defeat in the 2007 WC. There is always a time in everyone's life to move ahead whether they are successful or not is another matter, success is only a condition of mind. Hence my personal choice of moving to Canada from the UAE, if it is such a PITA for you, then lemme pray for you and say, may God bless you and let you live all your life in the "Baddoo-land" and you can keep praising them day in and day out and keep calling them "Arbaab" and "Taal Umrak" for no reason till your tongue gets high and dry. Ameen!

    Btw, aren't you spending too much time on the blog? This isn't contrary to your belief system? It doesn't make you feel guilty anymore? I mean like you said b4, there are other good things in life to do such as, "taking care of family, religion, business, social, friends, education, environmental, etc."..... Is it like, <<>>

    A BIG TIME LOL at EU-cep Boy. April 4, 2007 10:36 PM

    You are definitely a chronic, persistent and an acute case of paranoia, if you seriously think that "khansahab" and I are one and the same person, then I would like to ROTFLOL here, and I am sure khansahab must also be rolling on the floor after reading your post. Lemme tell you one more secret don't tell anyone ok, actually I am Kamran Abbassi and I am using this nick to make this blog more interesting, I have a few more nicks, I won't tell you though its for "Inspector EUso" to find out. :-)

  • Laloo on April 5, 2007, 0:03 GMT

    Wasim did not bowl at Minnows during his time, let alone the kind of dusty dead pitches he played on. Wasim was one of the best, today's bowlers don't compare. However, I still think Waqar at his peak was the most unplayable bowler ever, he was absolutely amazing.

  • Ashaq on April 4, 2007, 22:59 GMT

    Euceph Ahmed I was unaware that Khansahab and Javed.A.Khan. are one and the same.

    However this explains everything.

  • Euceph Ahmed on April 4, 2007, 22:36 GMT

    To AShaq at April 4, 2007 and Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. at April 4, 2007 10:11 AM

    It's amazing you guys still haven't figured out that "khansahab" is just another avatar of Javed A. Khan, Montreal, Canada.

    Jaidee Bhaiyya has so much to contribute to this society that he needs a ventriloquist ("VENTROQUILLIST" according to himself) buddy to do that. These days he's busy giving "khansahab" a personality. I suggest you guys read through the comments and look for similarities especially in the mode of argument, use of phrases, tone, voice, etc. and not necessarily in writing style. He is clever enough to use a distinctly different writing style when he's writing as "khansahab".

    Jaidee bhaiyya... neeeee naaaaa, thanda thanda lag raha hoga? remember?

  • Ashaq on April 4, 2007, 22:28 GMT

    Khansahab you seem to make less and less sense.

    Your delusions off grandeur I find quite amusing. Yeah my brother I also read all the so called classic like Hemingway. It dont mean jack. As for me using Cus D'Amato quotation. Hell the man is was regarded as an original Master off Sports Psychology. Before Psychology was even considered a necessary part off sport.I think its quite relevant considering this is a sports blog.

    I too have met people like you.People who seem to be judgemental and snobbish and think there superior to others. Just because they have read a few books.

    As for your Braggadacio about your Law degree.Well considering you initiated this entire debate by accusing me off being Nationalistic. You have failed to prove your case. Nor have you been able to justify the stance off the media.

    So you dont wish to play anymore aah how sad.

  • Trapper on April 4, 2007, 20:17 GMT

    I didn't read through all 239 comments, but I just thought I'd point out that as far as I'm concerned the greatest ever Pakistani bowler was Abdul Qadir, and the best batsman was Zaheer Abbas.

    Both of them had a quality that could not be matched at the time.

    And I say that as an Aussie who wished in the mid-80's that my hero Allan Border was a good batsman as ZA and also wished that leg-spin would make a comeback.

    Maybe even to the Benaud days, but I was hoping for an O'Reilly or Fleetwood-Smith.

    Obviously, Warnie took me by surprise.:) That's my two cents worth anyway.

  • WASIM SAQIB on April 4, 2007, 18:59 GMT

    I think Kamran never intended to draw a comparison between Mcgraw and Wasim,he only mentioned Wasim in this Blog because it was his record which was broken by Mcgraw and this blog is a tribute to both the bowlers,both of them had unique and rare abilities,to draw a comparison will be unjust to both of them. Right now I think since Mcgraw is going to retire after world cup so this is his time to recieve all the accolades, he deserves them,as far as wasim is concerned the whole world knows about his calibre as a bowler, and he has recieved enough praise from everybody over the years and he already has a berth on the list of all time great fast bowlers he does not need it to be reconfirmed. So all hail Mcgraw. Also there is a debate going on this blog about Wasim taking up the coaching Job with PCB,well we all know some of our Ex great players they carry a baggage now if somebody wants a job they have to show their passion and enthusiasm for the job first,like having some coaching camps or talent hunt camps in some of the cities independent of PCB by these players and if they prove something they should be given the job,but unfortunately our Ex-Players think that its their right by default to get the job or else they will keep on bickering and criticising PCB and the team,until a job is created for them,I think this is a wrong attitude,bcz such players are only after money not the Job.

  • ali on April 4, 2007, 18:49 GMT

    Kamran, we all know you're a biased journalist who's sole purpose in life is the highlight pakistan long lost glory days and players. This is Glen's time to shine, please don't spoil the party and let the old boy have his day. Wasim was great and will always be great but you CANNOT take anything away from GLEN. Wait until Australia now has to rely on all these young dude and then we'd all realize how important he was to the team.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on April 4, 2007, 18:41 GMT

    Mabsoos Bhaiyaa

    You are welcome "on becoming this blog" and haven't you heard this phrase: "A mind can only see what it is prepared to see?" IMO you are one of those few posters who only like to see the good side and turn a blind eye on the other. How do I have to make it clear to you and the others that we have been discussing the past achievements, contributions and the present attitudes of Pakistani heroes and NOT their integrity. There is no compulsion in cricket that you cannot criticize your heroes attitude and I think that Pakistanis have the right to do that since there is no disrespect in calling a spade a spade as long as the language is not foul. Unlike your country, where a hero is given the status of a Deity and people start worshiping them. Wasim, Imran or any other player in Pakistan did not get the same status as Tendulkar, hence Pakistanis feel that it is healthy and constructive to criticize their attitude, you know what I mean?

    Thanks for reading my posts with interest, and also on advising me to read more articles to enhance my knowledge on cricket and how Imran Khan became the Godfather of a few Pakistani players etc. I certainly value your prudent and judicious advise and will keep in mind while addressing these issues in my future discourse. So far, I could read only the first few lines of your praiseworthy posts, invariably starting with "Qasida Kaari & Inkesaari", I mean they are so full of praise and in total agreement, especially with "Kamran Bhai" hence I've always lost my focus and couldn't continue any further. However, in future I will try to force myself against my lazy and lethargic nature and will try to read all of it, "only" to learn something from your experience on the art of pleasing and appeasing.

    Well, please don't be upset on my comment on how you start your posts 'coz thats your prerogative to start it in which ever way you like, but not many people, including myself do that ....... because, we are Pakistanis! And no one is upset with you Mabsoos Bhaiya...

    ......... aur jisay bhai ka teer kaari lagay pyaaray ussay teri har baat pyaari lagay

  • Dawar, LA USA on April 4, 2007, 17:59 GMT

    Wasim Akram was a captain in 1996 World Cup. Why he did not play quarter final against India which we lost. Did he really unfit?

    Wasim Akram lead one of the strongest Pakistan team ever played in any world cup. (WC 1999).

    But we lost against the weakest team of that world cup " Bangladesh & India". Just see the name of some players in that team "Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Shoaib Akhtar, Saqlain Mustaq, Abdul Razzak, Azhar Mahemmod, Afridi, Saeed Anwar, Inzi, Mushi etc but we lost against Bangladesh. why why why????

    I am totally agree with Gulab Khan and Nadeem above.

    So there is no point to compare Wasim to McGrath. McGrath is better bowler.

    Dawar LA, USA

  • Matloob on April 4, 2007, 16:54 GMT

    Peter, the bowlers you mentioned were all great bowlers but there is some differnce between the class of Sydney Branes,Lillee, Ambrose, Marshal but rest of them were not in the same class. Bowlers like Snow, Hall Bedser were good bolwers but didn't win that mnay matches as did the likes of Lillee, Marshal and Barnes.Wasim and Mcgrath both should be considered among the top 10 all time best bowlers alongwith Lillee, Marshal,Ambrose and Barnes, I guess.

  • Shaun S Ali on April 4, 2007, 16:00 GMT

    Where is Wasim now?? where are his blogs and columns, his media appearances, his opinions? He was absolutely brilliant as a player but if ever there was a time that Pak cricket needed his services it is now. Why has he left it to lesser (but still great) ex-players to pick up the pieces?

    ramiz as commentator, aamer as commentator/chief selector/future selector?, mushy with various coaching jobs, waqar as bowling coach, and imran & miandad with their constant 2 (billion) cents which we can do without, but at least they care dammit. even saeed anwar took it upon himself to preach to players in the dressing room. All these are to name but a few ex-players in various roles contributing post career to cricket. It is arguable whether these people have helped or hindered the cause, but no one can accuse them of being complacent (in my mind a greater error).

    perhaps (and hopefully) wasim's greatest contribution to pak cricket is yet to come. he can be brilliant in this arena. He his familiar with the politics, he has the capacity to instill vigor in the team, and at least he speaks better goddam english than most everyone...

    cheers wasim. i miss u

  • Amazed on April 4, 2007, 15:41 GMT

    McGrath --- gets the best batsmen in the team out. Wasim ---- Terrific at getting tailenders out

    But Wasim without doubt was the better batsman. Better bowler? No

  • Naeem on April 4, 2007, 15:40 GMT

    Peter, listen to me. I have never seen Sidney Barnes played. Lets say what about Geff Boycott. Great player, wonderful technique. But can he survive in the current one day bashings......hell no. Let me clear it up again. IF you talk about current best as from the 90's and late 80, there are a few names that arouse. Ambrose, Walsh, Wasim, Waqar, Mcgrath and a few others. No body can't really say who was the best. But again, we look at the individual ability as to whether or not they can destroy a batter or a line up if they tried. All of the above mentioned named could........but none better than wasim. Overall, Pakistani team sucks...and they have never been my favorite team. They have never been confident. Never have they ever, won a series, a match with out constant worries that they also could lose. In all honesty Pakistani team is a loser, but you can never find a cricketer anywhere else as Wasim Akram

  • Nabeel on April 4, 2007, 14:13 GMT

    Another point I might add is McGrath had/has a much better team than Wasim did in his time so that makes a huge difference.

    I'm not biased at all. I truly think Wasim is a better bowler and probably would have accomplished much more had he a better team.

  • Nabeel on April 4, 2007, 13:53 GMT

    Mr Peter

    ahem ahem... We're talking about bowlers after I was born... We're talking about bowlers of the 90s. You've mentioned great bowlers' names but they are not the center of discussion. Lets save those names for another thread.

  • Paul on April 4, 2007, 13:02 GMT

    Wasim was fantastic. Such an exciting and enjoyable bowler to watch. The bias by most Pakistan fans doesn't really do the argument justice. Personally I think Ambrose's record speaks for itself, he was taller, quicker and more accurate. Wasim had the variation, but so does Jimmy Anderson. In fact, just being a left armer is a variation in itself and an advantage. I do love Wasim and would put him 'up there' with anyone, but as far as the best of the generation goes, Ambrose was the best package. Waqar at his best was the most dangerous, Mcgrath the most consistent.

  • jim on April 4, 2007, 12:49 GMT

    Cricket is a team game Wasim stood out because he had to as he had no team support McGrath has become greater than wasim as he has team support and his subtle variations do the job

  • Rex Taylor on April 4, 2007, 12:30 GMT

    A SHORT QUIZ Based on fact not fantasy! Of Akram and McGrath which bowler in Tests: 1. Took most wickets per Test played? 2. Conceded least runs per wicket? 3. Had the lowest strike rate? 4. Had the best economy rate? 5. Took five wickets in an innings most times? Akram was a champion but the answers are all McGrath!!!!!

  • Bis on April 4, 2007, 11:45 GMT

    Couldn't agree more Peter. An article like this is nothing more than cheap pandering to nationalistic chauvinism. The very idea of "comparing" different people is a fetishistic reduction of the complexity of human beings to the basest of criteria. It is the kind of comparison which employers conduct when choosing a candidate to fill a vacancy and unworthy of people who espouse criteria of aesthetic beauty in their endeavours, such as artists and athletes.

    Why oh why can we not marvel at the infinite variation of our species instead of reducing individual behaviour to stereotypical nationalistic archetypes? Mr. Abbasi should be condemned, not for the first time, for starting up a discussion along the lines, as you rightly put it Peter, of "mine is bigger than yours". Grow up Mr. Abbasi!

    Wasim was great.

    McGrath is great.

    Rejoice!

  • Amanzeb Khan on April 4, 2007, 11:38 GMT

    Wasim was a true great and his eventual figures with both bat and ball do not reflect turly the genius that he certainly was. Some readers have suggested that Wasim tarnished Waqar's career. I would differ with this suggestion. There was a time in his career when Waqar's bowling went really downhill, so much so that he was even dropped from Glamorgan's playing eleven. Due to this Wasim preferred to have two all rounders in Azhar and Razzaq in place of a struggling Waqar. Waqar deserves a lot of credit for discovering the outswinger and bouncing back as he did a number of times in his career.

  • Manan Shah on April 4, 2007, 11:36 GMT

    Wasim was great, but Ambrose was better in the nineties and McGrath has been better still. The thing about McGrath is that he usually does two things for Australia that generally requires two bowlers: Keep the run rate down, and take wickets.

    People use the word metronome in a condensending way, but to me it is the greatest complement possible. It is extraordinary for him to survive 16 years bowling barely faster than medium pace, and consistently be the hardest fast bowler to face.

    Also, he took more wickets in less games than Wasim too.

  • ambi on April 4, 2007, 11:28 GMT

    Both Wasim and Glen have contributed tremendously to cricket and future bowlers can learn from them.........both have been an asset and God bless both.

  • khansahab on April 4, 2007, 10:34 GMT

    Ashaq Bhai,

    As a reasonable, insightful and wise person I attempted to compromise and pacify the situation. I now struggle to find soft words to retort to you for fear of my comments yet again being omitted by Mr Abbasi. You seem pathetically desperate to prove a point.

    My coherent and conclusive reply was omitted by Mr Abbasi. I will not go through the pain of writing that again. I can only say that it seems to me that you do not know much about what goes on outside of your domicile. What else can I say about a man who lives in the UK but does not know the state of most Pakistanis that reside there?

    I suggest for the sake of your esteem, do not teach as aspiring lawyer how to treat situation in a legal manner. “Innocent until proven guilty” is something that was never taught to me. That is something people like you pick up from dramas and movies. Please, that maxim (if it can be called that) is so basic and trivial that I have never come across it in my degree. Please, even if that maxim is applicable vaguely in any situation, it will only ever apply to Criminal Law which is but only one facet of Law. People like you think Law is only Criminal Law. Trust me Ashaq, most people I meet in Manchester are exactly like you so I know exactly what goes around in your head.

    What the Law degree teaches you more than anything else is to look at both sides of the argument before coming to a conclusion and employing reasonableness in your arguments.

    I read many comments from people who post on this blog so I can be forgiven for not remembering exact words of any given post of yours. Suffice to say I remember the general gist which you do not seem to concur with. Sorry, but your comments do not interest me and without sounding demeaning, you are not one of the more reasonable and insightful individuals on this blog.

    Ashaq Bhai, you probably did not reach my previous comments in which I stated that I am in no way superior to you and that is not my intention in retorting to you, now, as well. So stop this blame game of who is trying to subvert the other. For the record, the comment I made on Mirpuris and Jhelumis was made after my reasonable and prudent analysis of what my Law degree has taught me. :-)

    Yes I have read Voltaire, but that was in Class 7 and I was in Pakistan at that time. I have read Mark Twain but that I was so young that I don’t remember how old I must have been. I read Hemingway in Class 6, also in Pakistan. Reading that did not make me superior or knowledgeable.

    Ashaq, what can I say about a man who quotes boxing coaches when he wants to make a point about a philosophical argument? Could you not come with someone better than a boxing coach? LOL, let me quote Michael Jackson for you on this point- JUST BEAT IT!

    On a serious note; I’ll leave you with this saying from Rasool SAW: “The stronger one of you is not he who throws his adversary on the ground. The stronger one is he who controls his anger and walks away.” Now you can say whatever you want in your reply, but I don’t have anything else to say on this matter. Call me stupid or uncivilised- I honestly don’t care and I have made my case.

  • Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on April 4, 2007, 10:11 GMT

    Reading Kamran’s comments is always good, but its much more amusing and entertaining to read comments of other bloggers and specially of Khansahab, Ashaq and Javed A. Khan.

    Khansahab ... Your last post, though quite provocative, made a nice reading and I guess you just fell short of saying that if Javed A. Khan, a successful banker, can leave Pakistan and go to work in Canada, then why can’t Wasim go and work in India :)

    Khansahab, Ashaq, and Javed A. Khan Hain Yeh Tinoon Iss ‘blog’ Ki Jaan

    Carry on the good work guys !!

  • Ravishankar on April 4, 2007, 10:00 GMT

    MacGrath would end up as the highest wicket taker, but for me Wasim remains the greatest cricketeer of the centuary.Akram did play most of his cricket when pakisthan was just a another team and did emerge successful ,where as Macgrath played when Aussies where ruling the world. On statistics Macgrath might be on top of Wasim, but remember cricket is not just sending a perfect ball down the pitch like a Robot,its definitely something more than that. Players like WASIM brought LIFE in to the playing fields.That gave the real pleasure for a cricket fan than tumbling wickets.

  • Suresh Das on April 4, 2007, 9:45 GMT

    sahab said, "my mum is the best bowler". While it is possible I am misinterpreting the comment, I think this is a crucial element. We all have different, subjective views of who are the greatest, based especially on the moments we remember and what they mean to us. Only a true neutral who has watched every match could begin to make a comparison between great players, and even he/she would fail in the end. It is the sheer differences between players and the impossibility to define a single category of "greatness" that makes cricket the most delightful game of all!

  • wadi on April 4, 2007, 9:41 GMT

    Wasim was a great bowler. McGrath is a great bowler. If I wanted to scare the living daylights out of a batsman I would use Wasim. If I wanted to bet my house on getting someone out, McGrath would get the nod....no offence, but horses for courses.... What an opening combination they would make!

  • Bis on April 4, 2007, 9:33 GMT

    I find it sad that Mr. Abbassi has to take away the credit due to a great performer whenever he achieves a record, by comparing him unfavourably with some Pakistani performer of the past.

    He did the same with Shane Warne, comparing him unfavourably with Abdul Qadir. And now McGrath with Wasim.

    Grow up Mr. Abbassi! There have been some great Pakistani cricketers of the past, and there will be in the future. But your defensiveness about celebrating the achievements of cricketers from other countries betrays a suspect insecurity about your own national identity.

  • peter on April 4, 2007, 8:31 GMT

    Yet again a discussion based on nationalities. Who can really say Wasim was the greatest? Wasim was a great in his era, so were many others. Too many comments show no knowledge of Cricket's history. What of Sidney Barnes (Bradman's greatest), Ted McDonald, Jack Gregory, Harold Larwood, Ray Lindwall, Frank Tyson, Bryan Statham, Wes Hall, Keith Miller, Alec Bedser, Dennis Lillee, John Snow, Adndy Roberts, Michael Holding, Curtly Ambrose, Malcolm Marshall, just to mention a few. Let's just recognize their greatness and forget meaningless comparisons. Too much of the feedback is along the line of "mine is bigger than yours"

  • Anosh Mehdi on April 4, 2007, 8:21 GMT

    Well, Wasim was a great bowler but McGrath has proved himself to be better. Breaking Wasim's record is not a joke.

    Comparing all the stats, we can clearly come to a conclusion that McGrath has dominated the World Cup

  • Khondkar. Abdus Saleque on April 4, 2007, 7:04 GMT

    Wasim and Mcgrath are two all time great bowlers in their own respective style and class. Wasim is possibly the best left arm fast bowler ever to play cricket.He could generate deceptive pace with the sortest pssible run up, could swing both ways with deadly pace and had a toe crashing inswinging yorker. Mcgrath has precision and accuracy . Can drop the ball steadily on the same spot at a difficult length for hours. He is unique in temperment . Both will be always remebered for their great contribution to world cricket. Wasim could get more wickets had he been played in England or Australian team. The indiscipline of pakistan team and alleged betting , match fixing incidents took some toll while Mcgrath was unaffected from such reverses.

  • Aun Lakhani on April 4, 2007, 6:35 GMT

    Mcgrath is good very good his speed is good but Wasim could swing the ball at a very high speed. Mcgrath is getting old but is still going good Wasim was going very good at his time. Wasim had amazing reverse swing but Mcgrath had a good reverse swing. Mcgrath is good but Wasim is also good probably better.

  • Mabsoos Ahmad on April 4, 2007, 4:38 GMT

    Dear Javed A Khan, Montreal Canada, Since I have become this blog, I did not miss of any comments from you. But while reading your comments regarding Wasim and Imran, it is not only shocking but surprising. Your are questioning their integrity. I have no words to explain here but do you want them to beg PCB for job. Are you aware what happened to Waqar???? It was Imran who, during his cricketing time, was able to look out some talents from the fragile system. Please ready some other articles to enhance your knowledge. Inzamam, Waqar, Wasim and Abudul Qadir have been his product and he can still do something for Pakistan but people like you are only sarcastic and are not ready to respect your legend. I am sorry for writing this but my intentions is that it is high we start respecting our people rather raising fingers........

  • cricket Lover, Virginia,USA on April 4, 2007, 3:44 GMT

    For Hip Shooter of April 3rd:

    Cheetah all right!!!! Just need a big mouth cleaning and may be sending him to US to play ICE Hockey .....

  • cricket Lover, Virginia,USA on April 4, 2007, 3:27 GMT

    For Sean of April 3rd,

    Man!!!! Get with it. We are not comparing Wasim's batting with Sir Viv but Just with Mcgrath. By the way he did have a test double against the same country that mcgrath took a lot of wickets(If you try to establish the quality of the opponent).

    For Shocked Of April 3rd: Are'nt you generalizing the people of the whole country(Pakistan), Sounds like Ranatunga talking about Australia's Wild history..... Again if you go to sleep on a bowler bowling a perfect line and length and on the other hand get highly excited on a bowler who is Traumatizing the ground which bowler would you like to go see(by the way, i'm not a pakistani). Do'nt get me wrong Mcgrath is one of the greatest bowlers but he needs to clean his mouth with dish washing soap every time he goes to play international cricket......

  • Naeem on April 4, 2007, 2:17 GMT

    Quoting Rex Taylor from the blog: "Absolutely remarkable!!!! Kadir was better than Warne, the greatest wicket taker ever. Akram was better than McGrath, the greatest fast bowling wicket taker ever. What garbage will you think of next to distract yourselves from the fact that your National team is a rabble of under achieving prima donnas? You give the World reason to mock you with such nonsense, and it's obvious you are only trying to salvage some pride from the latest in a succession of humiliating disasters! Surely there's a Pakistan batsman who was better than Bradman, so let's read about him also! As long as you think, act and talk like losers, that is what you will remain!!"

    Sorry Kamran. Wasim is my all time favorite cricketer but sometimes we have to think ahead. I can't live on 92 world cup stories or 99 chennai stories anymore. In all honesty, if Wasim Akram wasn't part of the team for all of the nineties, Pakistan would have been a pathetic cricket team. The problem is that our guys don't like to run, work out, stay fit, get stronger, get quicker. Unfortunately, todays sport is only about the adjectives stated. Kadir not so better than warne, but Wasim way better than Mcgrath. Also, a little bit of cockyness don't hurt either. Pakistan team can't be a bunch of wossies on the field. They have to show the world that they got it. Act like Shoaib, Wasim, Imran,Waqar and Miandad.....the only few that won us games

  • AShaq on April 4, 2007, 1:47 GMT

    KHansahab I have read your comments with interest.So far I have found your comments neither constructive nor coherent.

    You state:"When the Woolmer enquiry was at its inception when there was still uncertainty about almost everything.You mentioned that players being "suspects" in the case was like a slur because off their pakistani background where as to a reasonable observer everyone is a suspect in a fishy and complicated case."

    Well since you happen to have a bad memory let me remind you off what I stated. Also when I stated it. It certainly wasnt at the 'inception'of the inquiry.

    On the thread entitle 'Asian giants become minnows'. I made the following post relevant to this topic.

    March 26 2007 12:49 am. "I think we should be discussing the trial by media off not only the team.But Pakistan as an entire nation."

    I never stated the players being suspects was a 'slur'.Now I dont Know where you have had your head buried for the last 2 weeks. But as soon as Bob Woolmers death was announced the British media engaged in what is known in the trade as the Fleet street treatment. The entire country off Pakistan was demonised and vilified, and held accountable for woolmers death.

    The media rhetoric and bigotry was so intense that you had former Pakistan coach Richard Pybus coming out and stating there shouldnt be a backlash against Pakistan as a country. You will find Pybus statement on the B.B.C. website.

    Secondly you as an aspiring lawyer of all people should know the presumption off innnocence until proven guilty.

    The entire Pakistan team was tried and convicted in the British press. The fact no player has been charged to date .Was deemed to be an irrelevant fact. It prompted Mike Marqusee to write an article entitled.'This innuendo about Pakistan team is a disgrace' it was published in the Guardian newspaper on march 26 2007.You can read it online.

    Now how is speaking out against the unjust behaviour off the British press being Jingoistic and Nationalistic.Please explain.

    On top off this the entire Investigation has been bungled by the police. WE still dont know whether the death off Bob Woolmer was murder or an tragic accident. The website Times online carried the following article which you can read on their website.It was published on the 1 april 2007 entitled 'Experts doubtful Woolmer was strangled.' The newspaper interviewed the top u.k. forensic pathologists all off whom claimed the death did not show the evidence off Murder by strangulation.But was most likely to be an accident.

    Now I think any reasonable person can see the Behaviour by the press has been disgraceful.

    Since you seem to have forgotten other posts I have made which where Nationalistic. I suggest you remind me once you have remembered.

    You also state "WE should all do a fair share off promoting ourselves as reasonable and prudent".

    Well my brother for you to accuse me off being Jingoistic Whilst you yourself made remarks that are Extremely Racist and Bigoted.By labelling all people off Mirpuri/Jhelum origin off being uncivilised and uneducated. Your neither prudent nor reasonable.

    Let me tell you something my Brother reading Voltaire or Mark Twain and Hemingway. Dont make you more civilised or superior or refined.

    "Its not the Number off books that a man has in his library.That makes him more cultured. Rather it is his behaviour and conduct.Especially in the face off adversity." Legendary boxing coach the late Cus D'Amato.

  • Dr K Husain on April 4, 2007, 1:04 GMT

    Living in the United States my nine year old son (devastated at Pakistan's shenannigans) wants to know why the great Imran and the great Wasim are not there to help rebuild Pakistan Cricket. Well you greats, whats your excuse? I know you read this, do you have anything at all to offer? We have a mont's headstart on the road to the next World Cup. Will you help or are you too proud?

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on April 4, 2007, 0:10 GMT

    khansahab

    You should have read my post twice before giving me a lecture on Wasim Akram's rights, or what he is supposed to do, or not supposed to do. My response to Ziyad was in a different context and you are viewing my comments from a different perspective. When we are talking about heroes and patriotism, then its another aspect and when we are talking about an individual's desire to earn money on the basis of his professionalism is a different matter. There is no dispute in it.

    Did I say anywhere in my post that Wasim Akram should not have been doing what he is doing? You are confusing this whole issue because of your own muddled thinking. If Woolmer, Moody, Whatmore, John Wright etc., took up the jobs of coaching, its something they wanted to pursue their career further that way. Besides, no one in their own country would have thought or considered them to be heroes and they were not missed by them because they were mediocre players of their time.

    In case of Wasim Akram, Pakistanis miss him in the sense that, he was a hero for them and most people ask this question why is he not coaching the boys? Or, they recommend his name as a future coach. I don't agree with that, because in my opinion he was only a great bowler and nothing more than that. Like, Inzamam is a great batsman and nothing more than that. Wasim cannot be a good permanent coach, he can come up give some tips to the (Indian) left arm bowlers and disappear for a TV show, c'est ca. He doesn't have the qualities, patience, temperament or the desire to be a full time coach.

    If PCB had approached him or vice versa, it wouldn't have been for free. After all they have paid for the services of Javed Miandad, Waqar and Mushy etc. So, what makes you think that anyone would have asked him to coach for free? And who is sulking? Its so obvious from your posts that you take matters to heart very seriously. Take it ez chill out man. :-)

  • dave on April 3, 2007, 23:15 GMT

    Both great, but in very different ways.

    Also it strikes me as not quite right that Wasim (and Waqar) are being described here as the pioneers of reverse swing... whatever happened to Imran Khan and Sarfraz Nawaz?? No disrespect to Wasim, but credit where it's due...

  • Mubeen Masud on April 3, 2007, 23:03 GMT

    Yes i agree with you.Indeed he was a legendry fast bowler.When ever he came to bowl every Pakistani expected something to happen.I can never forget the brilliant spell of fast bowling done by him on his last tour to west indies in the final test match. I have never seen him trying that hard & putting that long spell, as Pakistan has never won a test series in west indies and he wanted to do that on his last tour.He kept on bowling over after over and took if i am not forgetting 11 wickets in that match but unfortunately Pakistan lost due to some stupid decisions by umpires and a miserable runout chance missed by Saqlain. Also i feel sorry for him that he was borne in Pakistan becoz if he had borne in australia or england surely they have made him GOD by now and given him the title of Sir.I feel sorry for him that we Pakistanis didn't treat him with what he deserved for.Also he would have taken more wickets which he didn't due to bad fielding of his team mates.I think he was the greatest captain which Pakistan has produced after Imran Khan.In his captainship Pakistan has won C&U series in australia and almost won the world cup of 99.Also I agree with you that the team of 99 world cup was the best which Pakistan can ever offer and all of them were playing like one unit. Thank you Wasim for everything you did for Pakistan. You were really the Champ of your time and I hope you are remembered equally as all the other great players are.

  • BINU SAMUEL on April 3, 2007, 21:56 GMT

    Dear mr. Abbasi Indeed Mcgrath is an excellent bowler but clearly behind Wasi Akram who played in all sort of un helpful pitches and not so agile fielders like Australians and very few fellow bowlers to keep the pressure up at the other end except Waqar Younis. I am an Indian living currently in USA, and am proud that 2w'S RULED THE CRICKET WORLD FOR NEARLY A DECADE. Boycott once said that the 2 W's can bowl out England twice with oranges, absolutely no exageration. It's sad that wasim's name was involved in match fixing including the fateful worldcup quarterfinal in bangalore. Why the Asian teams should go to other countries for bowling coaching when 2 W's are willing to impart their skill.

  • J Ahmad on April 3, 2007, 21:56 GMT

    Great article Kamran. When it comes to Wasim Akram, there are no comparisons, period! If only we can find a bowler half as good as him in the current shambolic first class structure, we will be well served.

  • shakir hasnain on April 3, 2007, 21:53 GMT

    wasim akram is arguably the greatest bowler of all time. Cliches be damned...

    i have one question though. They single him out as the greatest left arm bowler the world has ever seen. Can you perhaps name a right arm bowler who was more lethal than wasim ? the answer is no...

    wasim quite simply is the greatest. He was an artist and the only issue i have with him is a certain lack of killer instinct on occasion...but to my judgement he is the best of them all. holding, wasim, roberts, lillee , imran , marshall.. the others bring the rear guard. wasim uyou are the best and that is effectively that.

    shakir

  • Ranga, Sydney on April 3, 2007, 21:28 GMT

    No compraison between Wasim and Mcgrath. Wasim is the best fast bowler.. sheer talent, he can bowl with both old and new ball. Mcgrath cant do that. also if you by statistics, Mcgrath might be better,, but give Wasim the same slip squadron as Mcgrath, he will have far more wickets. keep in mind Wasim bowls a lot in sub-continent, which is always considered as grave yard for fast bowling. wasim, imran and javed are the best former pakistan players. I always cheer for Wasim to pick up wickets against India, being an Indian its odd, but to see his celeberation after picking up a wicket is amazing. as a sportsman Wasim is the best, he doesnt behave as Mcgrath.

  • Corey on April 3, 2007, 21:16 GMT

    I like both Glenn McGrath and Wasim Akram very much, but they're two completely different bowlers in terms of style. I think Shane Warne and Muttiah Muralitharan are the best bowlers ever though. On side note - whoever says that Sachin Tendulkar is better than Brian Lara is completely lost. Lara has far more style, charisma and talent than Tendulkar could ever hope to have,not to mention mental toughness - which Tendulkar lacks. If Brian Lara were an Australian I don't even think this comparison between them would be brought up.

  • Fareed Nasir on April 3, 2007, 21:15 GMT

    Anyone can play music from a scale, there are only a few musicians who can play it with the genius that it becomes an art. Same is the difference between Mcgrath and Waseem. Mcgrath can play the scale all day long without making a single mistake and that makes him great. Waseem will play it in his own style, yes he will mistakes but in the end he leave you awe inspired, in revery, wanting more. Waseem took bowling to an art form. He is the only bowler that makes one watch a dead dead drawn match. And to think he did it despite diabetes and despite being a pakistani makes his feats even more amazing. He is no doubt the greatest bowler I have seen, since i started watching cricket in early eighties. It is sad that his career was marred by betting allegations etc. He deserved a lot lot more respect than we gave him. He can still be a great assett to Pakistani cricket. He is paras of Fast bowling and can turn many of our bowlers into gold. I hope he is made the new pakistani coach.

  • guymed on April 3, 2007, 21:09 GMT

    this is from wikipedia.com In his Test career, Akram took 414 wickets (a Pakistani record, and 8th all time), at an excellent bowling average of 23.62, and scored 2,898 runs, at a batting average of 22.64. In One-Day Internationals, Wasim took a world record 502 wickets in 356 appearances and scored 3,717 runs. Wasim was the first bowler in international cricket to take more than 400 wickets in both forms of the game, and only Muttiah Muralitharan has since achieved this. Wasim Akram also holds the world record for most wickets in Cricket World Cups — a total of 55 in 38 matches [8]

    Uniquely, Wasim took four hat-tricks in international cricket, two each in Tests and ODIs. He is one of only three bowlers to have taken two hat-tricks in Tests (the others being Hugh Trumble and Jimmy Matthews). Wasim's Test hat-tricks are unique, since they were taken in consecutive Test matches in the same series, against Sri Lanka in 1999. He is also one of only three bowlers to have taken two hat-tricks in ODIs (the other two being Chaminda Vaas of Sri Lankaand fellow Pakistani teammate Saqlain Mushtaq) . He is one of only two bowlers to have taken a Test hat-trick and an ODI hat-trick (the other being fellow Pakistani Mohammad Sami). Finally, playing against West Indies at Lahore in 1990-91, he became one of only three players to have taken four wickets in five balls (the other two are Maurice Allom and Chris Old, both of England). In Wasim's case, the feat was not part of a hat-trick, the third ball of the series being a dot ball, albeit it was a dropped catch.

    Wasim has also achieved the highest score by a number eight batsman in Test cricket — 257 not out from 363 balls against Zimbabwe at Sheikhupura. This innings contained 12 sixes which is also a world record for Test cricket.

    He also has the joint-highest number of Man of the Match awards in Test cricket with 17

  • Balakrishnan S on April 3, 2007, 20:53 GMT

    Akramis greatest bowler of all times for 3 reasons 1) His crafty way of delivering six different balls. 2) His ability to be pacy despite a short run up and bowl a wicked mean bouncer which McGrath lacks. 3) Akram is a threat to batsmen in any surface whereas McGrath can be busted on flat tracks.

  • DesiHungama on April 3, 2007, 20:30 GMT

    Wasim Akram's greatness can be summed up in such that quite few cricket lovers have somewhat lost interest in the game after he departed. I don't believe Glenn MGrath will have the same effect once he retires. Interestingly, I still feel the jitters in my body whenever I think of Wasim groaning for an LBW.

  • khansahab on April 3, 2007, 19:55 GMT

    Ashaq Bhai and other critics,

    I did not mean to cause offence by my “Mirpur/Jhelum” comment. I posted a reply which contained harsher words than this post does but that reply was omitted by Mr Abbasi. So let me explain myself to you in another, less brutally true way:

    I made my comment with regards to the context of the United Kingdom.

    Ashaq, I am really bored of my constructive criticism but you asked for it. So here goes- you sound a bit too patriotic for comfort at times. When the Woolmer inquiry was at its inception and there was still much uncertainty about almost everything, you mentioned that Pakistani players being “suspects” in the case was like a slur because of their Pakistani background whereas to a reasonable observer, everyone is a suspect in a fishy and complicated case. Unless you know the Pakistani team personally, it is not right for you to jump and exclaim anything with conviction. You have also made some biased comments in the past but I do not remember exactly what else you predicated. These types of comments do not appear reasonable to non Pakistanis. It isn’t such a big deal, but we should all do our fair share of promoting ourselves as reasonable and prudent individuals.

    Mr Javed A Khan from Montreal, Canada-So what if Wasim is appearing on Indian channels and wants to make some Indian dough? Does he not have a right to go outside of Pakistan and earn a living in a more peaceful and lawful environment? Waqar considered a coaching position in New South Wales. So what? International cricket is a glamorous and well paid environment. An international cricketer who has played for years and years gets used to the good money and fame. What will such an individual do when he reaches his 40s or late 30s? You expect such a person to provide free coaching to his national team? Wasim’s class is international and he appeals to people beyond Pakistan; he can get an excellent coaching job internationally and can earn in dollars. If a common man wants to do that, there isn’t much problem. But if an international cricketer wants to do that, why sulk? In any event Wasim is probably not the keenest contender for a coaching role in Pakistan. He can have a greater influence in India where there are some good left arm bowlers. Why do you think he is promoting himself in India so much? Because of Zaheer Khan, Irfan Pathan, Ashish Nehra and RP Singh. Wasim was not an expert batsman either; usually coaches are expert batsmen because batting is an area where coaching is generally most required. I don’t know why people are so obsessed with getting a bowling coach and a batting coach for the national side. I don’t know any major Test side that has had a long term bowling coach complimenting a proper coach. Unless Pakistan is so incompetent as Zimbabwe or Bangladesh, who could do with some world class coaching in all aspects of cricket, of course! I am not saying that hiring a bowling coach will be unaccommodating, but think about the money that would cost PCB whose financial position is always precarious. That money can be better spent with concentrating on the specialist, full time coaching of players at domestic level so we can have some real and useful alternatives to duds like Kamran Akmal and Abdul Razzaq.

  • Amazing on April 3, 2007, 19:03 GMT

    Indeed Wasim Akram was the finest bowler of his generation. Wicket, weather, crowd, batsman and even the run-up, these details were always unnecessary for Wasim. He could read them like an open book. Ever since i have followed cricket, he hsa undoubdtedly been the best bowler of the lot. There were beyond doubt, other great bowlers too like Ambrose, Walsh, McGrath, Waqar, Warne and Murali during his times.But none of them ever possessed the effectiveness and the fire that this man had. And i dont mean in anyway to belittle the others.

  • Jackie Brown's Cousin on April 3, 2007, 18:19 GMT

    Who would you want on a flat track? Wasim or McGrath? That's how you figure out who is better. Which bowler will deliver like he always has on any kind of track, and no doubt Wasim wins this one.

  • PrinceofDarkness on April 3, 2007, 17:53 GMT

    There's a problem. and its a big one. There is no doubt in my mind either that Wasim worked magic with the ball and is arguably the greatest left-arm fast bowler of all time. OF his being the greatest of his generation, there shouldn't be much doubt. But airbrushing out his role in the match fixing scandal is Orwellian doublethink of a very high order. There doesnt appear to be much doubt that Qayyum spared Akram the blushes because of who he was and his place in Pakistan cricket history. McGrath or Lara don't take away the stain I'm afarid

  • guymed from NYC on April 3, 2007, 17:53 GMT

    Akram was the best but unfotunately he played for the team that was torn apart by politics. Perhaps, he can resurrect things now as a coach, PCB should seriously think about hiring him. Mcgrath is a true professional, A Captins dream. He is not that intimidating to batsmen like Akram, but he has gotten them all...cheaply.

  • Hassan on April 3, 2007, 17:50 GMT

    I don't know what all the fuss is about? Wasim was a good bowler and it is history. One should remember history to make our future better not to lose sleep over it. I think both Mcgrath and Akram were equally great at their peak. I do believe that Wasim cost us the 1996 and 199 world cup because of sheer arrogance. Don't get me wrong, he was a great bowler and I think should work with PCB in some capacity.

  • Vishal butala on April 3, 2007, 17:37 GMT

    Wasim is the greatest ever fast bowler cricket has ever seen. McGrath is the most accurate but he lack the magic of Wasim. inspite of being Indian I am fan of this Pakistani Fast Magician. No one can make the bowl talk as good as Wasim can. he along with Waqqar could change any match on any day. it was just a pleasure to see them bowling together; wasim had nothing to prove at the end of his career where as people still doubts Mcgrraths ability sometimes. same with pollock. where as Wasim was always a threat. he is the only bowler in the world who has troubled all the batsmen of his generation where as McGrath still seeks answers to Petersen and Co. well, no one can be compared with Wasim....he is the greatest,.....

  • West Indies on April 3, 2007, 17:33 GMT

    Poor West Indies fast bowlers (Garner, Marshall, Ambrose, Walsh, etc).

  • Atif Naeem on April 3, 2007, 17:27 GMT

    That comment depicts a good bit of my feelings after reading the article.

    Plus i would like to add that apart from the greatness as a bowler, one should not overlook his alleged / maybe proven (not in courts) involvement in gambling. Greatness and respect come with character.

    Posted by: Shwet at April 3, 2007 5:40 AM

  • waseem on April 3, 2007, 17:22 GMT

    glenn mcgrath is a fantastic bowler and deserves the record but wasim akram is the greatest bowler of all time i personally dont see no argument in that and as the great allan border once said if i were to be reborn as a cricketer i would be wasim akram

  • al, norway on April 3, 2007, 17:18 GMT

    you can't compare players, they all have their abilities and have won matches for their countries. but do check the stats, and the opponents these players have had. making record is not bigger than glory of winning matches, Jayasuriya hit century in 43 balls but they lost the match to pakistan.

    Cricket is changed now, much attacking and much more like Sir viv Richards style.

    i hope too see more honest and pure entertainment of cricket in future.

  • Mustafa Moiz on April 3, 2007, 17:04 GMT

    Excellent article. Wasim Akram was, after Imran Khan, just about the greatest all-rounder ever. His bowling was excellent and his batting, especially when Pakistan were in trouble, was superb. Ten times McGrath with the ball and fifty times McGrath with the bat since McGrath can't actually bat.

  • Bhavin on April 3, 2007, 16:59 GMT

    Great article. Wasim is definitely among the all-time great bowlers, up there with the West Indians and Lillee.

    Also, Lara is definitely the greatest batsmen of his generation. Tendulkar has only amassed records. As for Ponting, he has always been suspect against genuine pace bowling. Don't believe me? See the 2005 Ashes tapes. A Harmison delivery went straight through his grill and cut his face. He got out soon after. Imagine him playing in a non-helmet era, that would be the end of his career.

  • Stephen on April 3, 2007, 16:54 GMT

    Absolutely, Akram was an inspiration.

    It is interesting though that both the greats of the generation, Lara and Wasim are left handed players.

  • devika on April 3, 2007, 16:32 GMT

    I believe Glenn McGrath could have also achieved much more than he did. He too has been out of the game for long periods of time, due to his wife's cancer (in 1997, 2003, 2006) and injuries on his ankle.

    Besides, nobody is taking anything away from Akram (with reference to the the title and other comments here). Both are the greatest fast bowlers ever of course, but it is unfair to compare them, they are different bowlers.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREA, CANADA on April 3, 2007, 16:31 GMT

    Dear Ziyad: April 3, 2007 9:50 AM

    Unlike my other posts, the one you are referring to is a very short one. Thats the result of "Obscurus fio" it means, I find myself unintelligent when I am struggling to be brief or "brevis esse laboro, obscurus fio" i.e., if I labour to become brief, I become obscure, whatever! But, you are right in pointing out that young players get inspiration from their heroes and I NEVER denied that and what I wrote was mere "Sir Kazem" towards the Heroes and you didn't get it in the following sentence I quoted a taunt, a phrase: "The tragedy of their kind is like, for the vision of one man lends not its wings to another man." you prolly missed that, and I also forgot to translate the last line, "Dast be daaman-e-har kas keh zadam rosva bood." meaning, "whomever I asked for guidence was a sinner." Now, don't take that in the literal sense as 'gunah gaar.' there is something more than meets the eye and translating from Farsi is not easy. :-)

    I am aware of what you are saying and I agree with you that Pakistan produces quality fast bowlers for whatever reasons and thats a blessing for Pakistan. The youngsters are inspired upon seeing their fast bowlers or heroes in action. But, tell me what Imran Khan or Wasim Akram have personally done for them? Nothing! Imran Khan immediately after his retirement focused on his hospital and that was his stepping stone to get in to politics, and his aims and ambitions are very high, he is eying on Musharaf's post and will not accept any job or post related to cricket, thats too petty for his status. IF, (ya'ni, jab baap meray gaa aur bail bikengay tab ki baat) he achieves that position then, he will revamp the infrastructure of cricket in Pakistan, but thats a big IF. Off and on he says something on the TV and creates a controversy in his usual style only to ruin a player's performance and career.

    Wasim Akram, what has he done and what is he doing? Pursuing his career as a commentator or appearing on Indian TV shows. Whenever he is in India - actually most of the time he is there - he praises some of their players, he knows which side of the bread he has to butter to make a living. When he was in Australia, again as a TV commentator for ESPN, he went off to meet Irfan Pathan in the nets and give him some bowling tips i.e., again with a motive to get some TV assignments from Indian channels and he succeeded in it. Politics, nepotism, favourtism or whatever the reasons are, he has kept himself away from the Pakistan team or players since his retirement, and he has never approached anyone (like Waqar did) to coach the youngsters and say here I am, I offer my services to my country and for my young admirers.

  • Naveed Ahmad on April 3, 2007, 16:24 GMT

    Kamran,

    I have been reading your column for very long time, this is the first time I want to raise my voice.

    Wasim, no matter how brilliant, he was a lousy character. His contribution towards match fixing and the findings of Justice Qayyum, I have no respect for the guy.

  • Jonathan Dex on April 3, 2007, 16:13 GMT

    You can't judge a batsman down because he didn't get to face his own (great) bowlers. Viv Richards, Gordon Greenidge and Clive Lloyd never faced the awesome WI bowlers of the 80s either, and Viv is considered the greatest batsman of this generation. In contrast, the other 2 master batsmen of his generation, Greg Chappell and Sunil Gavaskar had to face the Windies pace attack.

    I also don't think you can mark down a bowler on his style. McGrath and Wasim had different styles - both are/were great bowlers. It would be a shame if we allowed subjectivity on a bowler's style to judge his contribution. At the end of the day, it's the bowlers ability to take wickets at the lowest costs at the most crucial times that matter.

  • muhammed akram on April 3, 2007, 15:44 GMT

    1.Akram better than McGrath 2.Imran Khan better than Mike Brearley 3.Miandad better than Bradman 4.Qadir better than Warne 5.Any Pakistan team better than Clive Lloyd's West Indies or Steve Waugh's Australia 6. Any match Pakistan loses is fixed(anybody can see that). If there were no match fixing Pakistan would never have lost a single match. They would have won all the world cups ever played as well as every tournament ever played. 7. And oh.. by the way Inzamam and Saeed anwar are both better than Lara or Tendulkar or Ponting.

  • athersrazor on April 3, 2007, 15:43 GMT

    I really don't think Wasim was a better bowler than McGrath, more exciting maybe, certainly more unpredictable . I do however think that Wasim was a better all round cricketer. I remember him giving some spellbinding knocks with the bat for both Pakistan and Lancashire. I'm sure Glen McGrath has tried hard with the bat and as number elevens go I can think of worse, but Wasim was one of the finest bowler/allrounders in the history of the game.

  • SadPaki on April 3, 2007, 15:41 GMT

    Pakistan is out from the World Cup in the first round and that is second time in the row. Still we are thinking that Wasim was better than McGrath. We need to concentrate on team rather than stars. India and Pakistan both have this star worshipped culture which in the long run affecting the sport in their country.

  • MSR (Boston, MA) on April 3, 2007, 15:26 GMT

    ……….unfortunate that he was a Pakistani first and a cricketer later! He has the genius and brilliance in the field………..but also have the tendency to overlook the contemporary great cricketers of his own team…………look how he treated Miandad…………mishandled Waqar and eventually himself being treated badly in his late part of the career………………………Look at the Australians…….paying Mc Grath what he deserves……….!

    But nothing of his off field behavior could takeaway his onfield greatness………..we might need another millennium to have the privilege to see a combination like Wasim-Waqar! Long live gentlemen!!

  • Hemant, India on April 3, 2007, 14:45 GMT

    Akram was awesome and it was an absolute pleasure to watch him bowl. 6 balls and 6 different deliveries! What a man and what bowling!

    McGrath is superb too, but looking at the polictics of both countries, it would have been extremely interesting to see if McGrath was born in teh subcontinent - how would he have bowled? Akram on the other hand had great control, finesse and last but not least stupendous talent!

    My humble salute to one of the greatest the sport has produced.

  • UK on April 3, 2007, 14:43 GMT

    When you consider who the better bowler is? It is very tough to answer. Akram did not have the accuracy of Glenn but was one of the most accurate bowlers of his time and I haven’t seen one that was so Attacking and accurate at the same time (i.e. in the 90s).

    The only thing that makes me say that Akram was a better bowler is that I think when it comes to bowling at the death Glenn fell really short. 9/10 of Akram’s Yorkers landed where he intended and he was simply the master of reverse swing. The only thing that Glenn had over Akram was a better accuracy and I am sure you can’t call Akram an inaccurate bowler. He was hardly dominated by batsmen. Maybe that was the added pace.

    However Glenn is such a great bowler especially in tests that he would strangle you to death.

    Who was the better bowler? A question I wouldn’t wana answer but if was put to the sword I would have to say Wasim for various reasons, better @ reverse swing/normal swing, better bouncer, better death bowler. Wasim might have played 2 more years if it weren’t for stupid PCB politics and he revealed that in an interview as well.

    However I wonder if my Pakistani has something to do with those comments. I think it doesn’t since I back myself to be an educated cricket follower who also plays the sport and not the truck driving Pakistani cricket follower.

    :)

  • Abdul Waheed - USA on April 3, 2007, 14:35 GMT

    Kamran,

    I think most has already been said here about Wasim Akram.

    All I would like to add is this:

    I personally, never liked a Left hand pace bowler. To me, they were all too predictable. Most of them would bowl most of their deliveries Slanting away from the right hand Batsman. In other words too monotonous.

    But then came Wasim and CHANGED it all.

    On the 2nd note on your Blog:

    While, I always thought and have enjoyed watching most Left hand Batsmen over Right Hander’s. To me, either Lara or Tandulkar in full cry, are equal treat and Sheer Joy.

  • kevin on April 3, 2007, 14:27 GMT

    Who is wasim ?? I only know McGrath....lol cheers...:)

  • john mcfarlane on April 3, 2007, 14:04 GMT

    Glenn McGrath is the Geoff Boycott of bowlers.Technically perfect and boring to boot!! Wasim was the complete fast bowler(VERY FAST) with the ability to excite at every turn.Wasim's ability to swing the ball at speed was his greatest strength that not too many bowlers in the history of cricket have achieved.

  • Nabeel on April 3, 2007, 13:58 GMT

    Wasim next captain? That man is retired for heaven's sake. We can never have another wasim akram in the team. Greatest bowler of all time.

    On the other hand Sachin's career seems to be ending on a really bad note.

  • Ahsan on April 3, 2007, 13:49 GMT

    Wasim is absolutely the best. I would also put Malcolm Marshall up there as well. Wasim just could do anything with the ball, his short run-up and quick action was so unique. He could get a batsman out at anytime of the innings and thats remarkable in itself.

    It's sad though that today his own countrymen don't want to utilise his experience and skills. Same goes for Waqar, brought in and then dumped.

    I have been a great fan of Indian and Pakistan cricket, their state of affairs today is very sad

  • nair on April 3, 2007, 13:38 GMT

    I hope wasim is our next captain. he had a great personality and has success consistently throughout his career.

  • Scotty B on April 3, 2007, 13:27 GMT

    As I said boys check out the stats and compare them on the ICC rankings site! Glens stats are the better of the two.

  • nasir on April 3, 2007, 13:15 GMT

    Wasim was a great bowler, perhaps the best Pakistan ever produced. His all round capabilities made him an even greater asset. However, I think he was mismanaged by the board and became too controversial in his twilight. Had he got supportive wickets in Pakistan he may have taken a lot more wickets.

    McGrath is a differnet bowler. Not better not worse but different. He is much fitter, has less headaches than Wasim, gets more useful wickets, and has a brilliant support structure to keep him going. His tenure with Australia has helped them become an unbeatable outfit and has performed all over the world on various kinds of wickets. His is undoubtedly the reason behind Australian dominance due to his knack of getting big players early.

    McGrath and Wasim are both great players and have served their countries long and hard. They both deserve respect.

  • Ashaq on April 3, 2007, 13:12 GMT

    Kamran how about giving the fans an opportunity to debate who should be next captain.

  • ajay on April 3, 2007, 13:07 GMT

    Wasim akram is a living legend and thogh Mcgrath will beat all his records in stature wasim will always be far ahead. Even here in india he still is a icon. I guess thats the difference between great and good.

  • Scotty B on April 3, 2007, 13:03 GMT

    Interesting article Kamran. Gotta say Glen has been amazingly consistant throughout his career against all comers. Wasim was exciting to watch with his variation. In the end the stats say it all but it's always interesting to see what excites different people....that's what I love about cricket so many different talents and different personalities. Thank you Wasim thank you Geln and thank you Phil Tuffnel!

  • shocked on April 3, 2007, 13:01 GMT

    Big surprise. Pakistanis believe a Pakistan player was the best of all time. They've got the best young batsmen, the best young bowlers, the best of everything really. Ask a Pakistani to name an all-time World XI and they'll name eleven Pakistan players. Warne, Ambrose, Bradman, Botham, Lillee, Holding, Garner, Ponting, McGrath, Lara, Hadlee, Gilchrist...who? Mere tryers compared to Khan, Qadir, Akram, Abbas, Miandad, Mushtaq and Anwar.

    The irony is that you don't elevate your genuine champions with this sort of rubbish, you drag them down to the same level as the rest of the hype that you constantly come out with.

    The truly sad thing is that some of those players deserve so much better than what you're doing to them.

  • Niz on April 3, 2007, 12:23 GMT

    Without a doubt, In my books there was no match for Wasim. My hero (and I am a South African).

    But here is the problem for Pakistan cricket....Where is your next great going to come from????

    Wasim, Waqar, Inzi, Imran, Saeed Anwar, Javed Miandad are all gone and I cannot see anyone put up their hand like Wasim and Inzi did in '92.

  • zain on April 3, 2007, 12:00 GMT

    also he took many of his wickets on subcontinant but Mcgrah mostly played on fast tracks

  • Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on April 3, 2007, 11:59 GMT

    Kamran Bhai,

    Now that Pakistan Cricket is in the ‘sleep’ mode for few more weeks, it seems you have problems finding ‘topics’ to keep this blog running.

    Why not take a shot at the ICC Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Malcolm Speed, himself.

    Such as his never-ending tenor as CEO of ICC, his own cricketing years, his previous posts, background, etc. etc. It seems the guy is fully responsible, as cricket would have never suffered as many controversies in its long history, as in his times.

    TV Rights to Zimbabwe to Darrel Hair to Pakistan to Sponsorship Rights to a completly failed and disastrous World Cup .... his list of achievements is endless just like his tenor.

  • Hip Shooter on April 3, 2007, 11:56 GMT

    Ummm.... Cheetah or Cheater?

    The greatest ball scratcher of them all was Wasim. Many a video of matches at Sharjah have captured him prodigiouly working away is thumb nail over the seam.

    Never really cleared of match fixing, was removed from captaincy because of it. I can't seem to remember him ever defending himself against that allegation. No smoke without fire my friends.

    So many ifs and thens and buts in this here blog. Forget the past fellas. Focus on the here and now - no coach, no captain, first round exit from world cup after loss to Irish part-timers!! Wake Up Folks!!

  • Punhal (Pakistan) on April 3, 2007, 11:56 GMT

    Wasim Akram was a legend, he was everything. Glen Mcgrath is another legend, a modern one, lets put it to that. Why would you say "Hail McGrath, but remember Wasim?" This is McGrath's moment, all this topic is going to do is get some Aussie supporters in giving them an impression we are "putting down" their hero McGrath. If you really wanted to remember Wasim, then do it separately. In such bad and dark times, its appropriate for any Pakistani to turn towards their old heros. Wether McGrath is better than Wasim or Wasim is better than McGrath, I'm sure Mr. Kamran Abbasi didnt want such a debate to be started from this topic. Main message; we Pakistani's wont put down other greats for our own heros, so stop getting that impression.

  • Wasim Akram on April 3, 2007, 10:42 GMT

    Hey Glenn Mcgrath! You aren't the greatest, it is I Wasim Akram.

  • Ziyad on April 3, 2007, 9:50 GMT

    Dear Mr. Javed A. Khan of Montreal, Canada,

    While it is true that, in general, doting on past glories is sometimes not conducive to present day progress, I dont think this axiom holds true in the context of sports. Youngsters model themselves after the heros of the past, and are inspired by the achievements of old time greats, particularly in a country such as Pakistan. I dont think its a coincidence (or some sort of genetic advantage) that causes Pakistan to produce quality fast bowlers in such greater amounts than our neighbors. It is because fast bowling has become a tradition in Pakistan and youngsters want to become the next wasim/waqar/imran. Thus, hailing the contributions of such past players lends to the tradition which in turn has tangible benefits for present and future Pakistan cricketers.

    So in response to your rhetorical question "Do they (past players) have anything to give to youngsters", I would say yes, they most certainly do. They provide inspiration.

  • Glen Mcgrath on April 3, 2007, 9:47 GMT

    oh, come on..... are u people nuts, I'm the Greatest.

  • gopal on April 3, 2007, 9:19 GMT

    In my opinion Akram was a magician with the ball.He could make the ball talk,he was a master of swing and seam and his swinging yorkers were unplayable.He was a dream bowler.On a scle of 10 i would give Akram 10/10 on talent alone.I think bowlers like him come once in few generations.Talking of the comparison b/w Akram and Mcgrath taking into account consistency and matchwinning performances Akram comes on top in ODIs but Mcgrath is the king in test matches bcoz of his immaculate control over line and length and his high consistency and match winning performance

  • M. Nawaz Janjua, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on April 3, 2007, 9:18 GMT

    ASSALAMO ALAIKUM,

    First of all I would like to request the posters to be polite and nice in their comments. Do criticize but reduce yourself to technicalities of cricket and not the personalities please. Show your respect for others. We should behave like good human beings. And being Muslims we have more responsibilities in this regard. This is my humble request. For me everybody is respectable whether living in Manchester, Ontario or Jhelum.

    Wasim & McGrath both are great bowlers of their times. One is good at swing and the other is good at line & length. We should congratulate McGrath on his achievement and in the same time should not forget the great game of Wasim Akram. McGrath is the hero of Australians and Wasim is still a legend for Pakistanis. To me a great person is the one who is best at both his game and personality. Now, this is quite open to all. In my opinion as for as Pakistan Cricket is concerned, Fazal Mahmood is the one who fulfills both the departments. He was a thorough genteleman and a great player. I salute him.

    The need of the time is that for the improvement of cricket in Pakistan, our legend batsmen and bowlders should be invited for coaching of the youngsters and be given full respect and honour putting aside all the differences whatsoever and concentrate in producing a fine cricket team who could win the hearts & souls of cricket world.

    ALLAH HAFIZ & WASSALAM

  • Praveen on April 3, 2007, 8:40 GMT

    No doubt as a batsmen, if I had to choose who I would rather face it would be Mcgrath. Akram at his peak is just scary with what he can do with the ball at pace.

  • Mabsoos Ahmad on April 3, 2007, 8:34 GMT

    Dear All,

    The article is not the comparision between Wasim and Glenn but the fact. Wasim is legend no doubt about this. It is our system and culture that we do not respect our gems. Let me tell you that that, Had Wasim played with NZ or AUS, he must have taken almost 1000 wickets considering the fielding of Pakistani. Most of the wickets taken by Wasim is either Bowled or LBW with the support of the fielders. We are used to drop the catches but the AUS do wonders in the field and that is why Glenn has been able to overcome the record of Wasim. Let us start believing in ourselves. Every former cricket is hailing Wasim as the finest bowler in the history of cricket. He is the master of swing bowling. No doubt, he is the best bowler not only for this generation but in my opinion, he is too far. With a simple action, he was a perfect bowler who can york the batsmen without giving time. He was a true servant of pakistan cricketer but in turn we are not respecting him. It is a tragedy and nothing like that. Think twice before casting any comments on Wasim. Keep in mind that Brian Lara, one of the greatest batsman of this era, praises Wasim and we do not agree. Shame on us......

  • Mohammed Nazar on April 3, 2007, 8:23 GMT

    This is to all you bloody idiots out there who are having a debate about who is the best player between Wasim Akram, and Glen Mcgrath. i think the important thing you have to remember is that Wasim has achieved his status as one of the most raw talented/skillful/ masterminds of reverse swing bowling for a reason...this should not be taken away from him in anyway...after all he has done so much for cricket that others wouldnt think of doing...eg training the likes of Irfan Phatan!!! eveybody out there who is comparing him undoubtedly to other great bowlers ought to ask themselves that could bowlers such as Glen Mcgrath, Curtly Ambrose ect ect achieve what they have achieved if they were to go through what wasim Akram went through in his cricket team. Even when his colleagues didnt have faith in him..he performed....even when there were cheating allegations of swing...he pulled through that...even when he was captain and the rest of the players tried to over through him...he survived and performed. Isnt it a wonder that the other world class players such as Glenn Mcgrath have had it slighlty easy...?? A player such as Wasim Akram should be remembered for is strength of character, talent and genuine passion for the game...something which is not readil available in todays Pakistan team. We sneed players who aspire to be like him....maybe then the Pakistan team will be out of this mess they have got them selves in, in this world cup!!!

  • Tausif Kidwai on April 3, 2007, 8:11 GMT

    Wasim akram is the best left handed bowler of all time... Glen mcgrath is different type of bowler, he is the line and length bowler rather than attaking, he waits for batsman to make a mistake. but wasim is attaking bowler he send batsman home by his class.

    The record of wasim was not brake because he is taken more wickets than mcgrath in one day matches. Its only in world cup that mcgrath have more wickets than wasim.

    No doubts of glen mcgrath's ability but in my opinion wasim is the best bowler. No one can touch him......

  • Fazwin RM on April 3, 2007, 7:54 GMT

    Wasim Akram is the best bowler ever. The best the best the best and i can keep on saying that for days.

    McGrath is NOTHING when you compare him with the great Akram. Actually its a shame to compare him on par with Glen.

    Akram had personality, speed, power, looks, height, character, and much much more.

    I am Indian but i do not like any Indian bowler who could ever dream to be Wasim Akram. He is just one in a trillion.

    U can never ever get another fast bowler of his calibre. Thats over. Unless he himself come back.

    Please go to google and put Wasim Akram and watch all his best bowling video clips. I do it always.

    I hope and pray that that Wasim Akram should always remain the best left arm bowler who walked on this earth.

  • Rex Taylor on April 3, 2007, 7:48 GMT

    Absolutely remarkable!!!! Kadir was better than Warne, the greatest wicket taker ever. Akram was better than McGrath, the greatest fast bowling wicket taker ever. What garbage will you think of next to distract yourselves from the fact that your National team is a rabble of under achieving prima donnas? You give the World reason to mock you with such nonsense, and it's obvious you are only trying to salvage some pride from the latest in a succession of humiliating disasters! Surely there's a Pakistan batsman who was better than Bradman, so let's read about him also! As long as you think, act and talk like losers, that is what you will remain!!

  • Salih Panjwani on April 3, 2007, 7:12 GMT

    Well i am agree with Harish, from India, that "We miss Akram the great , bowlers like him are once in a life time, we were fortunate enough to see him in action" indeed we are very Liky to see him while bowling. Mc grath no doubt is one of the world greatest bowlar, but i think he is liky to have been a part of a team which is ruling the world cricket, he is supported by few of the world grestest feilders, but it was a differnt case with the graeat WASIM. For me cricket end when he was enforced to retire, as i think there was a game for him for at least two years.

  • Aisha on April 3, 2007, 6:50 GMT

    when wasim and waqar wrecked the world, we could always depend on early breakthroughs, funny happy-dances, a huuuuuuuge smile topped by wasim's 'oh-so-hot' personality. pakistan cricket really did lose a LOT of its charm when wasim bhai (it hurts to call him bhai ;)) left the rink. his persona will always overshadow the likes of umar gul and others. they may be great, but they will never be Wasim.

    cant we clone him?

  • shafiq on April 3, 2007, 6:27 GMT

    Thanx Kamran for writing this blog! well, in this age of "media", where everyone is "ever best" and "the most gifted",---atleast you have raised the voice of pakistan. Keep it up, Dear All, why do you forget that when we talk about Qadir & Akram, we not only revive the history but also praise current players, like warne, Muralli, Kubmble, Walsh, Abrose, Donald, Pollack < McGrath etc! Why do you hate so much with Pakistan & their heros? Common, grow up!

  • Shahid Muhammad on April 3, 2007, 6:09 GMT

    I admired Wasim Akram since world cup. but defeat against Australia in 1999 world cuo final led me to believe that it was fixed.

    I was there in Lords 1999 and couldn't forgive him for the pathetic performance on that day. It was fixed

  • Sean on April 3, 2007, 5:59 GMT

    Before we get all excited about how wonderful Wasim's batting was - please consider the stats.

    An average of 16.52 and only 6 50's in 356 ODI's.

    No exactly the stuff of champions

  • Shwet on April 3, 2007, 5:40 GMT

    Obviously Mr. Abbasi wants us to remember everybody from Pakistan when somebody breaks a record. There is no doubt that Wasim was Great in fact as an Indian I can debate on this with anybody that for my money no fast bowler that I saw in the nineties or after that came close.The list includes Ambrose , Mcgrath or waqar . Nobody was as complete as Wasim was and nobody is forgetting him either Mr. Abbasi. The problem with you Kamran is that you tend to write your blogs with a sameness which is flabbergasting and banal."Well done Shane but remember Abdul the googly" . "Hail Mcgrath but remember Wasim". Why can't you bring flair in your writing . While the first piece about Shane Warne vs Qadir was stupidity at its extreme yes an Akram vs Mcgrath comparison makes sense and I will say Akram is still the best I have seen but you don't have to write such banal lines to make your point.

  • Syed Rizwan on April 3, 2007, 5:19 GMT

    The greatest fast bowler to grace the game of cricket 'Left hand of God'. Need any one say more. Oh btw Mr. Humayun can you please stop comparing Wasim bhai to Srinath, Gough etc, they are great cricketers but not legends, Wasim bhai is a legends and legends are born and not made!!

  • Shibili Ahamed on April 3, 2007, 5:03 GMT

    True! Wasim Akram was the best bowler of his generation. I would rate his alround abilities also at high, becuase of the crucial runs he has scored for YOU pakistan in the slog overs of many matches (World's greatest batsmen struggle to get this). Pakistan team from the late eighties to the early 2000's was world beaters like today's Australia. But politics (both internal and external)undid it totally. I wish Bob Woolmer was coaching the Pakistan team of 1999 WC. I will rate Wasim Akram over McGrath for his match winning performances with the ball and batting being an ice'ing on the top. McGrath's most of the wickets was taken in Australia (where opposite teams has to encounter hostile crowd, rough media, sledging players......) where as Wasim have taken wickets all over the world.

  • Vijayendra on April 3, 2007, 4:48 GMT

    Foot-in mouth anyone?

    I remember Wasim Akaram saying at the toss of the 1999 World match between India and Pakistan, "This is just a practice match for us."

    Easily, the most stupidiest thing a captian could come up with at the toss, and that too against a team, against arch rivals who have beaten them in every edition of the world cup.

    Wasim Akaram is no doubt the great leftarm fast bowler, but he would always rue that he could not beat India in the World Cup. Altough he got chances in 1992, 1996 (he missed out), 1999 and 2003.

    I also remember an instance in the 2003 World Cup in South Africa. Abdur Razzaq has just dropped Sachin Tendulkar at Mid-on on the bowling of Wasim Akaram. Wasim bhai turned and said to him "Tuzhe pata hai hai tune kisa catch choda hai." Abdur Razzaq would never forget that catch till he dies.

  • vineet kaimal on April 3, 2007, 4:45 GMT

    well mcgrath may be ahead in stats as compared to akram but there is no doubt regarding who was better i my opinion akram n warne r the best bowlers of there generation becoz of the fact that they where able to raise there games wen it mattered the most akram was always a big match performer n warnie well i feel the way he turned his form in tht epic semifinals against sa (after being thrashed in all the matches in the world cup) wen australia had no answer to gibbs n kirstens bats (even mcgrath failed to make n impact initially)was truly legendary

  • Niyaz on April 3, 2007, 4:25 GMT

    Of Course Ravi Shastri will say Akram is the best because he is his partner when they 'act' out a TV programme dressed up like two pimps on broadway !!!

  • Usman on April 3, 2007, 4:24 GMT

    When he played he was the Left Arm of God

  • pritam on April 3, 2007, 4:08 GMT

    abbasi sahib, it's the first time i am agreeing with you. without doubt Wasim Akram was the best fast bowler in 90's. I always face the wrath of my indian compatriots for idolizing wasim, but i can't help it ; that guy was simply awesome. we talk about Mcgrath, ofcourse he has such a phenomenal record, but tell me what does he has to offer a viewer other than impeccable line and length. Although by no means it's easy to bowl like him but wasim will always be a spectator's delight. All those swinging yorkers, pinpoint bouncers, reverse swing, those mesmerizing two deliveries he bowled to Rahul in Chennai, the slower he got Sachin with in sharjah.......that too from a minuscule run-up ; Glenn doesn't even come near to that. One can just check the hits on Wasim's videos in Youtube as compared to those of Mcgrath's. WAZ was a pure champion on the other hand Glenn is more of a workmanlike. I'm not taking anything away from Mcgrath, but from a spectator's point of view.......it'll always be WASIM.

  • mehak on April 3, 2007, 3:13 GMT

    I understand that this blog is about Pakistani cricket but let's not overlook McGrath's accomplishment.

  • Chris on April 3, 2007, 2:07 GMT

    Akram was a great player, and revolutionised ODI bowling. Certainly the greatest left-arm bowler ever.

    However, McGrath is in a class of his own. He had more control, and bowled more intelligently than anyone else in the history of the game.

  • infobeat@london on April 3, 2007, 1:45 GMT

    Wasim was a BIG player. so BIG that he became a MAN EATER. he ate the careers of some of the finest players the game has ever produced (the likes of Waqar, Aqib etc to name a few) in addition to being involved HEAVILY in match fixing and political battles with senior players like Miandad and even the cricket board itself (over the issue of advertising fees) Surely McGrath or and other GREATs would not even think about such adventures during their careers. You decide who was a better player.

    I like the comments made by "Ali Bokhary at April 2, 2007 9:33 AM"

    And the one by "Mohammed at April 2, 2007 12:19 PM" citing a televised ball tempring show by the GREAT WASIM. Well said, Great bowlers just don't do that.

    But THE BEST COMMENT was "Posted by: Neil Pennell at April 2, 2007 2:34 PM" in the sense that it was both neutral and full of truth.

    Mr Abbasi, let's talk about some current CRICKETERS and not bookmakers or maneaters, shall we?

  • Chuck on April 3, 2007, 0:41 GMT

    Yes its me again...One last thing i wanted to mention Saqlain invented "Doosra" which murali bowls now. He is the one who came up with it and puzzled the batsmen all over the world

  • Chuck on April 3, 2007, 0:36 GMT

    Wasim Akram is the greatest bowler of all time, there is no comparsion between him and McGrath, now can we talk about the future of Pakistani team, can we bring up Saqlain arugbly the best off spinner, and he is a better one day bowler than Murali hands down. We need him and his ability to bowl at the depth of one day innings and his ability to take wickets, please this message to the selectors Kamran, I'll be thankful to you

  • Arif - Bangladesh on April 3, 2007, 0:35 GMT

    I was always a huge fan of Wasim, the man was an enigma with the ball...Ever since Wasim left the game, it hasn't been the same for me anymore..I found him amazing as a leader when he was Captain of the Pakistan side, and I had so hoped the 1999 World Cup would be lifted by this great man but it didn't happen..But still the success the Pakistan team achieved in that tournament had a lot to do with the belief Wasim exerted in the team and how he lead from the front..

    When compared with Mcgrath I would say, Mcgrath is the type of bowler who does the same thing every time while Wasim was the kind who would do something different every time ...They certainly aren't the same type, but I've always admired Wasim more and I truly hope he passes on his knowledge and understanding of the game to future cricketers because the World can certainly use a bowler like the King of Hatricks, Wasim Akram..

  • cb fry on April 3, 2007, 0:28 GMT

    ahhh...wasim bhai...i've got tears of nostalgia in my eyes...

    my favourite wasim moment was the ball he bowled to rahul dravid on the '99 tour to India, in Madras: anyone remember it? Bowling from over the wicket the ball swerved in through the air,pitched on leg stump and then seamed away clipping the top of off-stump, beating dravid's immaculate defence. that was my ball of the century. never seen anything like it.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL CANADA on April 3, 2007, 0:22 GMT

    As an ODI bowler Wasim Akram's 500 plus wickets speaks in volumes about his ability, so there is nothing more one can add to it. Remembering Akram as a great Pakistani bowler is one thing and remembering him as a captain who couldn't manage his human resources is another. As Kamran Abbassi says: " The 1999 side was probably the best side Pakistan has ever fielded in any World cup in which Waqar Younis was 12th man for heavens sake." Actually it was not Waqar but, Moulvi Mushtaq Ahmad Tableeghi was the 12th man. It doesn't matter who, but the point is with all the best players he had, the performance of the team was "disgustipatingly" pathetic in the final. In the 2003 WC Waqar was made the captain, but he too couldn't do much. So IMO, both Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis were not good captains and then the debacle of betting charges and what not cropped up that ended Wasim Akram's career abruptly. Thats a shame.

    Someone on this blog, in this very thread criticized Wasim Akram about his involvement in betting and there is a retribution from someone else. Now, after Bob Woolmer's death, there are so many --- 'so-called' experts, I mean besides the Chief Inspector Clouseau Mark Shields, and they are pointing their fingers at the betting mafia and Pakistan team. Suddenly Steve Waugh woke up from his deep slumber and started talking about betting and hinting at Pakistan and Woolmer's case. Also, there is a new article on BBC sports by Alastair Leithead, claiming that the back street bookies thrive in Pakistan and he posted a few photos of some bookies in Lahore in his article. Here is the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6511049.stm

    Come on guys, betting is a universal rogue and Hansie Cronje openly admitted his involvement and exposed so many others. The Australian players like Shane Warne and Waugh brothers denied their involvement, obviously they are above all this. Indian and Pakistani players were suspended. Even today, the betting in India and Pakistan is still underground, whereas in London its openly done and what about the open betting on the Internet? Check on the first page of cricinfo there is a bet365.com page. You go to London there are so many book-makers and betting is openly done everywhere on the High Streets of London. Mr. Leithhead or the brainless Leatherhead writes from Lahore that the back street bookies thrive in Pakistan! What a load of cow manure. They need to clean up their own backyard before they go criticizing others.

  • ajaya on April 3, 2007, 0:14 GMT

    someone said that the best sight in cricket was a champion batsman hitting a champion bowler's most unplayable delivery for a massive six. i respectfully disagree. the most beautiful sight in cricket is a cartwheeling middle stump.......

  • Omer Admani on April 3, 2007, 0:10 GMT

    Perhaps the discussion was dubious at this point, but there wouldn't be a more responsive time either. This comparison holds more merit than the Warne-Qadir one, and I hope Mr.Abbassi has come a long way from there. Let the statistics, everything go. Ask any countries' fans which bowler would they rather have in the team...and the most likely and consistent answer, in my opinion, would be Wasim Akram. Ambrose was definitely the most effective among the three, but again which one would you rather have in your team? And again the most consistent answer would be Wasim Akram. Mcgrath has to come second-best after Wasim and Ambrose.

  • Paul Hawkerton on April 2, 2007, 23:59 GMT

    An excellent blog but I can assure you that no-one has forgotten Wasim or his acheivements.

    As an Aussie, I rate the Akram and Malcolm Marshall as the best bowlers I have seen. I didnt see much of Lillee but if the West Indians rated him the best bowler of their dominant era, then I will go with them. But those 4 bowlers I think are just slightly ahead of Mcgrath becuase they had more skills to call on.

    Now for the arguments - Wasim and Waqar or Lillee & Thomson or Roberts & Holding or Marshall and Garner and McGrath and Gillespie - Who is the better opening combo? You could debate this one for hours!! Methinks Lillee & Thomsom before his injury but I will admit to some bias here.

    In terms of Lara or Tendulkar, in deciding Test matches, Lara is clearly ahead of any other batsman and I rate him higher for his feats in this matches. What do you think?

  • marcus on April 2, 2007, 23:40 GMT

    The 90s were desinitely a time of great fast bowling. Apart from McGrath and Wasim, what about Ambrose, who had the uncanny ability to run through teams in one spell. And is anyone forgetting Allan Donald? If you look at his stats, his average is better than Wasim's and up there with McGrath's, and of all the bowlers with 200 wickets, only Waqar and Marshall have better strike rates. At one point he was averaging 5 wickets a game. All four were phenomenal bowlers, but if you ask me Ambrose and Donald werwe a cut above.

  • wasims on April 2, 2007, 23:25 GMT

    hey kamran, why don't you say that mohammad yousuf is the best bowler of all times. After all, he has a strike rate of 100. even Shane Bond doesn't have that kind of record...Who the hell is Mcgrath????

  • Wasim Akram on April 2, 2007, 23:17 GMT

    oo shehzado meri side lenay ka shukrya, thanks for supporting me!

    greatest ever,

    Wasim Akram

  • Faran Ghumman on April 2, 2007, 22:46 GMT

    Wasim Akram defenaitly was da best bowler of his generation and probably all da generations. The Best Caption after Imran. The man is a genius no doubt.

  • Hussain on April 2, 2007, 22:28 GMT

    I think Mcgrath is the best newball bowlar i have ever seen i have been watching cricket for about 14 years and i don't think there is anyone better then him. He is certainly better then wasim with the newball as he is more accurate and make the batsmen play more often he also very rarely bowls any no balls or wides compare this with wasim and we see that he was little bit erratic and use to bowl quite a few extras in his initial overs. Although wasim is far superior bowler when it comes to old bowl and bowling at the death

  • Ashaq on April 2, 2007, 22:17 GMT

    Khansahab Jingoism, Nationalism! PLease elaborate. What the hell you on about.

  • Humayun on April 2, 2007, 22:08 GMT

    I dont know - I mean granted he was definitely a great bowler, but how can we also forget Courtney Walsh, Curtly Ambrose, Chaminda Vaas (most unappreciated), Darren Gough, Srinath. Granted that Wasim & McGrath took the most wickets in ODI as compared to these but surely I cannot say that Wasim & Abdul Qadir are the best of their time and profession. Being Pakistani, We should be unbiased.

  • Tay'yab-Ali on April 2, 2007, 21:55 GMT

    for all of you who believe that great players are defined by their statistics; Ijaz Ahmed must then be a truely great batsman since he has no less that 6 hundreds against the Aussies.

  • haepreet bhinder ladi on April 2, 2007, 20:49 GMT

    they play for team not for records i definatily go with australia india and pak are loser and big losers wasim is good but glen absolutely excellent

  • Allen Lobo on April 2, 2007, 20:15 GMT

    Wasim was an absolute magician with the ball but with all due respect, substance over style, results over entertainment value. While there is little doubt that Wasim was a greater ODI bowler, as the facts and figures bear out, McGrath is quite simply hands down a better test bowler. Glenn might not be the most exciting bowler to watch but to have the test average, strike rate ( for those who say that he 'bores' batsmen into getting out) and economy rate - all this playing in an era when the rules of the game have decidedly turned against bowlers is simply stupendous.

    For the record, in my humble opinion even as an Aussie fan, one bowler was greater than both of these - Curtly Ambrose. Among the great fast bowlers of the 90s, nobody let batsmen know who was in control as much as "Little Bird" did.

  • amandeep singh on April 2, 2007, 20:08 GMT

    wasim is the best bowler............can Mcgrath do what wasim has done ? just this about Mcgrath not playing for austraila and play for other country like england or pakistan...........can he do it never he is nothing without the support os shane warne.................and.......big line of great players aussie have like ponting, waugh brothers, hayden,M.bewan..........remove these names and then think about Mcgrath he is nothing but a shit player who only know how to abuse other players................ wasim is best he never have great players to support him except waqar younis....................

  • fahad on April 2, 2007, 20:07 GMT

    I am a Pakistani, but to be very frank, I think Mcgrath is easily the better bowler. I have seen wasim akram taking a pasting way more times than glen. Wasim did not have the maturity to transform his batting ability into something more concrete, and neither was he able to transform the amazingly talented Pakistani team at his disposal into world beaters. So comparisons with imran are ridiculous. Glen may not have been as outrageously talented but he was able to make the most out of it, he did not waste anything. And he was a tremendous team man. Wasim on the other hand, unfortunately brought more controversies to Pakistani cricket than we should care to remember. I would rather that Pakistan produces a Glen Mcgrath than another Wasim Akram.

  • htp on April 2, 2007, 20:06 GMT

    Ambrose Ambrose Ambrose Ambrose Ambrose

  • GS on April 2, 2007, 19:50 GMT

    Wasim is truly the master. Bowling came embarrassingly easy to the great cricketer. A pure genius, who along with Waqar formed a duo that was the bane of almost every cricket team..I was afraid to watch them play against my team, India, and could only relax after they were taken off their first spell...only for Aaquib Javed to weave his magic...where did he go? But, Wasim's class was a cut above the rest. I'm a big fan of McGrath...but, Wasim was to bowling, what Pele was to soccer...beautiful to watch, and before you knew it..just as deadly. I was lucky enough to watch him bowl..only wished he could have worked on his batting.

  • rizwan on April 2, 2007, 19:48 GMT

    Kamran , Can you write a piece on the players who should be playing for pakistan in tests and one dayers. I would suggest Taufiq Umar ( scored a century against South Africa IN south africa )as a permanent opener in both forms of the game . In the bowling department , where is that south paw , Samiullah Niazi ?

  • rizwan on April 2, 2007, 19:43 GMT

    If ONLY Akram had mark taylor, mark waugh and shane warne at first, second and third slip respectively , Akram would have 1000 wickets in both forms of the game . Sure , Mcgrath is a fine bowler , but Akram is a once in a lifetme talent . Pity he had diabetes , or else he would have been so far ahead of every one else .

  • Bashir Mirza on April 2, 2007, 19:41 GMT

    I cannot agree more with Wasim Saqib. Wasim Akram could have taken Pakistan to great heights had he not succumbed to his inflated ego and the lure of easy money from match fixing. He was a great bowler but an ordinary Pakistani.

  • Hamza on April 2, 2007, 19:28 GMT

    We should never forget Akram, a pakistani legend and a all round genius with the ball. But well done Glen.

  • Teimur - London on April 2, 2007, 19:21 GMT

    Euceph Ahmed, you sound like a fool. If u don't like these blogs then read something else.

    Anyways, Wasim will always remain a legend, and 4 me remain as 1 of the greatest bowlers ever. McGrath is another fantastic bowler, but he didn't have 2 put up with struggles like bieng the captain of his country.

  • V. Venkatesh on April 2, 2007, 19:11 GMT

    The greatest fast bowler ever (the wickets doesn't matter) is Wasim Akram. The short run up, the pace generated without any big leap, smooth best action..ooohhh what not. Whoever has seen him in his peak days, I don't think will forget his second spell of 2-3overs in ODI's coming around the wickets with such lovely yorkers !! Unplayable !!! The nip he gets is awesome . The greatest fast bowler is Akram and the greatest batsmen ever is Viv Richards. The best sight in cricket would be Wasim coming round the wicket and bowling the best possible yorker and Richards hitting that too for a massive six !!!! Wouldn't that be the best sight in Crciket ?

    The best part of Mcgrath is the nagging line and length right from the 1st delivery.. Amazing accuracy. Pitching it on Off and Middle and shaping it away, possible enough to get the edge to Keeper or slips. No one in the world has had such accuracy as McGrath till date !!

    Thanks Venkat.

  • Zarrar Khalid on April 2, 2007, 18:54 GMT

    This is not a unfair and stupid comparison. Both Wasim and McGrath are of different class. It seems like you (Kamran) want controversy on these comments. Khaled, New Jersey, USA

  • Sheheryar Hafeez on April 2, 2007, 18:53 GMT

    It is not fair to compare Wasim with McGrath especially in the light of being the greatest bowler of the "generation". The truth is that Wasim is arguably the greatest of all time when taking into account a number of factors. He had pace, variety, cunning edge over batsmen, stamina (played almost his entire career as a diabetic), and most importantly unanimous consensus amongst his peers as the most lethal bolwer they ever faced. Add to these factors the fact that he played for the most unpredictable team in World cricket and his genius is further enhanced. I would love to hear an alernate but doubt there is one. Wasim is to bowlers what Bradman is for batsmen

  • Pakistan Cricket Lover on April 2, 2007, 18:46 GMT

    Lets start. Fazal, Sarfaraz, Imran, Wasim, Aqib, Waqar, Shoib, Asif etc etc. All were great bowlers but how many big Tournaments has Pakistan won? How many World Cups have we Won? ONE. Lets not forget what the future might hold. A grimm reality that Australia and South Africa ar only gonna get better. None of the big giants of Pakistan cricket will be there to bowl. Find a fresh crop of fast bowler and groom them. Donot let them get bigger than the game like Shoaib thinks he is. When I played street cricket ( the most popular game in Pakistan - Yes cricket is second most popular game in Pakistan)We had a bunch of great fearsome fast bowlers in Pindi. What happened to them our PCB let them down. Our first class cricket system sucks. Why can we not get foreign player to play in Pakistan? Dr. Naseem Ashraf wake up

  • calgary highlander on April 2, 2007, 18:36 GMT

    Kamran, I'm feeling that the only reason you wrote this article is because nothing new had come up in Pak cricket which, let's admit it, doesn't happen often. And I have to agree with Euceph Ahmed that the only reason this is done is to bring in Aussies who will start screaming, " Crigeah, mate what have you been smokin'" Of course no disrespect to the Aussies but anyone remember Qadir n' Warne. Yeah, that exactly what I'm talkin' bout'.

    Anyways, they were both great bowlers who were smart technicaly and had a huge passion for the game. Both were, how shall we say, " Cheetah's."

  • ruchit on April 2, 2007, 18:29 GMT

    This one is for Shiva. Where does the question of who is better between Lara and Sachin come into picture on this blog??. Hello !! we are talking about Akram and Mc'Grath.

    One thing what lot of people have been saying is Akram had to bowl on batsmen friendly pitches and Mc'Grath on bowling friendly. Correct. But please check Mc'Grath record against India in India and that of Wasim against India in India. Pitches dont more dead that they come in India. Mc'Grath beats Akram atleast statistically here and I would say he has actually set up some of the famous Australian victories in India.

    One more thing about Mc'Grath which amazes me is that he consistently walks the talk. Not many guys would make tall claims like him and actually live uptp them.

    Dont think I am any Aussie (though I am fan of theirs) but for me Mc'Grath remains the most intimidating bowler of his generation. Greatness can do dumps. Boy he did what he used to say.

  • Ali on April 2, 2007, 18:20 GMT

    I agree with Ruchit. Whats the point of the article. There should have been an article for Glen instead as this is his occasion and the dure credit should be given to him.

    For once I disagree with Kamran. There could have been a better time for this article, as it just shows some kind of a pain that we dont have anyone who can come close to Wasim and unfortunatly our administrators are unable to use his service to impart the great skills to the new generation.

  • Kundan, New York on April 2, 2007, 18:09 GMT

    There is no comparison with Akram to any cricketers in the world. He was brilliant, ruthless, cunning, cruel, talented, master, classy, gracious and flawless bowler of all time. If Viv Richards is in batting, it is Wasim bhai in bowling.

    I am pretty sure that Mc Grath agreed to the point that Wasim is an all time great. Had the maximum number of wickets been in some others name, Mc Grath would not have been so happy to break it.

    I still miss so much of Wasim running along the pitch with his arms up, huge smile and groaning sound after he got the wickets every time.. Isn’t that an amazing piece of cricket we have been missing these days?

    Also, he is quite different from other cricketers. He has a grace even off the field too. he was not only a player of pak team, but also he was a true ambassador of the world cricket. He helped bowlers from all over the world and gave his useful tips.

    Even though, I am Indian, I lost quite a bit of interest in world cricket after Wasim retired. It is sad that neither PCB nor ICC recognized his service to the cricket world properly yet.

    Wasim bhai, we, your fans, miss you so much.

  • wasim saqib on April 2, 2007, 18:04 GMT

    I hate to do this comparison, but imagine for a second that mcgrath playing for Pakistan and bowling on those dead pitches and wasim playing for Australia and always getting those hard bouncy wickets who would have taken more wickets?

  • saurabh kukreti on April 2, 2007, 18:02 GMT

    Wasim Akram was the best fast bowler of the modern era, there might be other bowlers in 70's or 80's but when it comes to aggression, intent, guile and determination Wasim was peerless. I belong to India yet everytime Wasim bowled there was sheer joy in watching him. Magrath was a robot and Robots are unemotional. Wasim was a maverick and that is why it makes him a legend. I would say when Pakistan Cricket votes there best players i would rank Imram Khan and Wasim Akram at the same pedestal.

    -Saurabh

  • H.MALIK on April 2, 2007, 18:01 GMT

    Dear Kamran , I agree with you on some aspects only. IT IS GLEN's TIME & MOMENT so you should have fully appreciated his achievements as a player, as a commited team member , as a flag bearer of Kricket Australia, in all his career , he has been living and dieing for only one thing World knows it CRICKET AUSTRALIA FULLSTOP.

    You may not like my views but to bring in here WASIM AKRAM , was in a bad tatse and i fully agree with some one asking you why do this sort of out of line action ! Wasim was a top class bolwer no doubt about it BUT at whose cost he progressed his career , some one mentioned Waqar , some one mentioned Aqib , there were others too who were sidelined by his egoestic approach and being the THANEDAR of the team , You have perhaps forgotten , he was actually Absuing the players with full thoratal power ( Galian dena uska sab janteehain ). He was a Poor man manager , HE WAS Z.A.BHUTO of Pakistan cricket , Like Bhuto he instigated against his own seniors and collegues who had helped him to the stage . He insigated a players rebellion against legendery Javed Miandad . He conspired to keep Waqar out of the lime line , having a bowler of Waqar's caliber as a drink server 12th man in 1999 world cup can never be erased from my mind . What great Wasim showed in the prelimary stage of 1999 WC ( BD Defaeting Pakistan) or the way the team fell apart in the final against Aus , it was soley due to WASIM , otherwise I bet Pakistan had the men good enough not only to win 1996 but also 1999 WC. He was under the scrutiny og Justice Qayoum's inquiry but was stopped higher ups not to do that , if that would have been done , it would have come out crystal clear who was responsible . WASIM INFLICTED ONTO THE PAKISTAN CRICKET TEAM the injurries that set in motion the downward travel of this Group of YOYOs . HE was a good bolwer BUT he achieved it at the cost of another Fast bolwer who in many many people's mind was a much better bolwer and had WASIM not played politics with his career , WAQAR could have been a 500+/500+ bowler by the itme he was forced to hand his boots in disgust . Some one wasy why WASIM can not be hired to coach the Pakistabni team ,,, you bring him close the team once again and rest assured the team will be destined to the grave for ever , He Served his time , BUT at the huge cost of Pakistan team and pakistan cricket , the intriogues he started against Javed Miandad , have so far never reached their end yet .... SO FAR God sake ,, do not bring his name intyo the pictutre at such a high moment in the life of a true cricketer , a perfect team member and diehard support of his country's team , he served out his tenore without ever consipiring to become a Captain of Australia and he is proud of it too ,,, that is Glen Mag

  • Rich on April 2, 2007, 17:48 GMT

    Yes, Wasim Akram is the greatest bowler of his generation and therefore, you are the GREATEST, Kamran! Abdul Qadir is greater than Shane Warne, and therefore, you are GREATER than the rest of the world, Kamran! Mohammad Yousuf now has a LOFTY (as opposed to lazy) elegance and therefore, you have now become greater than the greatest, Kamran! Strange are the ways of the ego!

  • ruchit on April 2, 2007, 17:17 GMT

    Hi Kamran,

    What is the point of the article. I mean Wasim Akram as bowler will not be remembered alone for his 55 wicket haul in cricket world cup. Does Mc'Grath breaking his record take anything away from Akram. No it doesnot and it cannot. I mean why are you so insecure. Wasim as a bowler will always remain etched in the minds of fans.

    Regards. Ruchit.

  • hassan on April 2, 2007, 17:14 GMT

    man there was never any comparison with Wasim! he was and will always be the best bowler of our generation! Hail to the King of Swing! =)

  • Raman on April 2, 2007, 17:09 GMT

    Wasim Akram is certainly one of the greatest of the bowlers (not only in the category of *fast* bowlers). I always wondered how he can bowl such deliveries with such a short run up, where as others' start their run-up almost close to the boundary rope. His achievements are the greatest among the bowlers when one considers his diabetic nature. On the flip side, he has not come clean both from Match fixing and ball tampering allegations.

  • Inzamam on April 2, 2007, 17:07 GMT

    Bismilla ira ma narhim, firt of i wud lyk 2 thanks god. um thinking wasims gr8 bowler hez bowling very gud swinging ball, buts lets not forgets waqar hez has best stikes rate in test historyz.

  • azhar on April 2, 2007, 16:55 GMT

    Vinay nailed it above. Tell mcgrath to bowl against the aussies and see how many wickets he takes. Wasim was no doubt one of the best wicket takers in the world. He bowled against the best teams in the world. Mcgrath is also a very good bolwer and has been consistent throughout his career but he has played with the best team in the world. Mcgrath has played on bowling pitches more than batting pitches whereas akram played more on batting than bowling pitches. Taking wickets on batting pitches is much harder that what mcgrath has done in his career. I say akram is much better than mcgrath without a doubt.

  • Shiva on April 2, 2007, 16:36 GMT

    Wasim is definiteley one of the best you will see on a cricket field, greatst bowler of his generation, i'm not sure about that, but definiteley one of the best, Mcgrath and even A.donald along with Waquar could be comparable as well. But akram could definitely turn a match in a couple of balls, he had this natural flair about him,that you dont see in modenrn cricketers again, that you know when he was in full rhythm he could wreak havoc upon any batting line up in the world, still has the best inswinging yorker in the history of our sport. Definiteley the best odi bowler of all time. As for the argument of the best batsman of their generation goes as i see there was some comments made arguing your decison, there is no doubt B.C. Lara is the best, i mean stats show he's better, records show he's better, and innings in pressure situations show he's better, and he definiteley handled the likes of Mcgrath,warne, muralitharan and pollock better than tendulkar. No doubt saching is good, i would never say he is not great, but when compared to lara, hes always running second best.

  • Azam Farooqui on April 2, 2007, 16:30 GMT

    As Ravi Sharstri once said, Wasim Akram was the criketer of the 90's, ahead of the likes of the Lara's, the Tendulakars and the Waughs. He infact in my opnion was the most talented pakisani cricketer ever and again i feel it was under Akram's captaincy that Pakistan enjoyed it's greatest ever trimph (yes for me greater than the 92 WC). The carleton and united tri series in Ausralia against the host and west indies. I've always felt that one series is tougher to win than a world cup, it's like an ashes of one day cricket and wasim managed it with a team half of the names most of us wouldnt remember, i mean pleayers like zahoor elahi, ijaz jr, mujahid jamshed, mohd. wasim, shahid nazir, mohd. zahid and etc. This is one tournament you cant win by fluke, one have to beat australia 2-3 times to reach the finals, and westindies were a serious unit until then. I still rank him along with Imran and Javed as one of the three greatest pakistani cricketers, could he have achieved more. Definitely, he could have overtaken Imran as a greater allrounder, he had skills, more than everyone realized, probably wasim himself, he was def. more talented than his mentor. What did he not achieve, wickets, runs and he them at will, hatricks, engraved his name with the two deliveries in the world cup final. Captaining Pakistan to a great world cup untill the final disaster in 99. Pakistan has not shown Akram the respect he deserved. Just like cricket might not see another Viv Richards, regardless of how test wicket table moves it's shift from 300-400 wickets to 600-700 wickets, the world will not see another wasim akram.

  • Jawad Ahmed Khan, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates on April 2, 2007, 16:28 GMT

    What do you mean Mr. Khansaheb by saying that people from Mirpur & Jhelum are uncivilized and uneducated. For your information around 40% of Jhelum's population is in Pakistan Army in the shape of commissioned officers, all graduate. I'm from Jhelum also and a graduate. Please don't say any thing offensive by pointing out to certain community.

    As of Wasim Akram, he was a bowling magician, like most of the young people shun watching cricket match when Afridi gets out, my interest was always in Wasim Akram's opening spell. He truly was a bowling Wizard. I wonder why he doesn't give tips to our bowlers rather than giving them away across the border.

  • Avais on April 2, 2007, 16:22 GMT

    Wasim Akram and Mcgrath, both will go in history as all time great bowlers. Its hard to compare their acheivemensts but one has to consider the fact that Akram got all his WC wickets against test playing countries and some in semis and final of the WC, and he won a WC final with his bowling. Mcgrath, also a great bowler, took many wickets against minnows, as in this WC he took wickets against Holland and and BD.

  • Miten on April 2, 2007, 16:20 GMT

    Both fantastic bowlers....greatest of their generation, absolutely no doubt about it (along with Curtly ofcourse). Both have been successful for different reasons. One has stuck to same line and length for 15 years and one was the king of swing. After the great fast bowlers generation, these two along with Ambrose kept fast bowling alive in the world of cricket. Many aspire to be like them, few will ever achieve half of what they have. Only thing Akram has over McGrath is the fact that Akram bowled a beauty of a yorker, something McGrath has never been able to do.

  • Junaid on April 2, 2007, 16:17 GMT

    Akram is the best fast bowler of the modern era. He had supreme control, he could make the ball talk, get bounce out of lifeless tracks, and could deliver 6 different, unplayable balls in the same over with no perceptible change in action. His greatness cannot be measured in wickets alone. The relentless pressure and fear he created in batsmen would result in wickets at the other end. Batsmen can hope to play out Mcgrath but with Akram such a possibility doesn't exist. Akram can take you out any time. Moreover, Akram was in prime form till the day he retired. The same cannot be said about McGrath, who is a diminished force. Batsmen are increasingly taking advantage of his reduced pace and clobbering him for runs.

  • Mani on April 2, 2007, 16:16 GMT

    Both are very good, but my vote goes to Wasim. Not only he could bowl well, he could bat and was a good captain too.

  • dilshan on April 2, 2007, 16:13 GMT

    what a player..i am a srilankan...but id do nything to watch wasim at his best..as a kid still remember the destruction he caused with waquar in a test match against NZ..taking 5 each...arguably the greatest fast baller ...where he differs from magrath is that akrams more exciting to watch. may be magrath is more consistant but hes like a machine..but akram improvised and made the game ever more entertaining ....cricket is an entertainment and hence the best enetertainer should be regarded the best player

  • abc on April 2, 2007, 16:05 GMT

    Taking nothing away from McGrath who in his own class is a great fast bowler. Wasim picked up his wickets by being at a natural disadvantage of having a natural angle away from most batsmen and with a poor fielding side to support him. I feel priveleged to have watched Wasim and McGrath.

  • Rizwan on April 2, 2007, 16:04 GMT

    spot on Mr.Kamran

    Wasim could have no doubt achieved a lot more had it not been for politics which eventually lead to his diabetics.

    we should also not forget that where he played most of his cricket(not ideal fast bowling conditions) and the fact that the fielders could hardly stop the ball, let alone catch it.

    he can be PAKISTAN'S NEXT COACH. i personally don't think that nationality shud be a criteria but since it is announced, wasim looks like a really good option.

    with shoaib malik the captain and wasim coach of the side, may be the off-field blunders will not effect pakistan cricket as much as they do.

  • zunaid on April 2, 2007, 15:59 GMT

    Kamran what makes you write these comparisons..what are u trying to prove after world cup debacle..are u applying an ointment on pakistani wounds? whatever u are doing is not enough to make a good pakistani side...why we always glorify our past & ignore our future..same applies to indians they are also running with a burden like tendulkar & seems to have no courage getting rid of him...even Lara is not what he used to be...I can bet both lara & tendulkar wud have been kicked out from the australian side if they were part of it....Kamran people like u make ordinary people superheroes & give them false impressions of their talents...stop writing this rubbish

  • Aftab Baig on April 2, 2007, 15:36 GMT

    No doubts, Wasim is the greatest. He is the king of swing bowlers.

  • MKhan on April 2, 2007, 15:34 GMT

    Yeah, Waseem Akram was the king of reverse swing but unfortunately for Pakistan, his personal record is tarnished forever by Justice Qayyum's inquiry. And of course we can be nostalgic, or gloat about previous Pakistani players and their Ghosts of Records past when people like McGrath are making history now.

  • Shiv Raj on April 2, 2007, 15:25 GMT

    Wasim Akram is one kwn as Sultan of Swings. Still some batmans have nightmare one off Akrams deliver that balls sungs boths in same time is the main weapon off Akram , thats why he taken 500 wicket he is knw bowler i have seen tht he can change the change any time

  • Kiran Kumar on April 2, 2007, 15:21 GMT

    As a hardcore Indian fan, and who has watched India and Pakistan cross foils on many an occasion, i can categorically state and hail that Wasim Akram was undisputably the best bowler of his generation no disrespect to McGrath. He is well loved and respected in India which is a tribute to his personality and charisma. Wasim no matter who comes and goes you will remain the best. God bless you.

  • adeel khan on April 2, 2007, 15:12 GMT

    For me who as not watched imran , or miandad or any other old player, wasim has been best cricketer ( not as bowler but as later order batsman, and captain) pakistan has seeen.

    i wish him all luck yet i wish him "keep away from coaching pakistani team" :D .. u know what i mean ;)

  • Niaz on April 2, 2007, 15:00 GMT

    plz make afridi or salman but the next captain. dont go for younis, yousuf or malik. plz

  • Ahmad Ali on April 2, 2007, 14:47 GMT

    Yes Wasim is definately a living legend. Specially his efforts against the top teams are outstanding. If one watches the highlights of Pakistan's Tour of WestIndies,dont remember the exact year, Wasim is bowling to Lara and later has absolutely no clue whether the ball will come in or will leave the bat. His is our Nation's Hero and should always be remembered in pleasing words.

  • Nadeem Shafee on April 2, 2007, 14:45 GMT

    Per Sameer comments above:

    "He was a superb captain who used to bring best out of every single player...Abdur razzaq was a different plane when he played in 1999 and so was Akhtar....."

    It was the best Pakistan team ever played in any world cup.

    Please do not forget we lost against Bangladesh, India & final against Austrlia.

    If any honest Captain led that level of team they could won the world cup. (Wasim Akram, Waqar Younius, Shoaib Akkhtar, Shahid Afridi, Saeed Anwer, Moin Khan, Saqlain etc. But we also lost against Bangladesh with that team. It was a mtach fixing tragedy which promoted by Wasim Akram as a Captain. (Read Justice Qyuaum Report).

    He was a great player but not the honest player or Captain.

    I like him as a great bowler but do not like his cheatings. He did not care about Pakistan. He just care about $$$$.

    he should impeach. What we got culture today? it was design by Wasim Akram, Salim Malik, Inzi, Mushi etc.

    Nadeem UK

  • Vivek on April 2, 2007, 14:45 GMT

    I agree with Kamran...Mcgrath is a great bowler but Wasim was better.McGrath could have never come up with THOSE 2 deliveries in the 92 final or the ball to Dravid in Chennai in '99.

  • Burhan on April 2, 2007, 14:43 GMT

    Akram is remembered as GOD'S LEFT HAND cos what he could do with the cricket ball was phenomonal.To me the greatest fast bowler of all time. There was no one like him before and no one will come after him.

  • Neil Pennell on April 2, 2007, 14:34 GMT

    Nice try Kamran. Fortunately at least Euceph Ahmed and Faridoon above have seen through your pitiful tactics. I agree wholeheartedly with their comments. In addition I would like to suggest that it's about time you learned to be a little more gracious. Last time, with wonderful timing on the occasion of Warne's retirement, you said that he wasn't as good a bowler as Qadir. Biggest reaction to a blog ever. 4 million responses and what a clever fellow you are to have created such a stir. Only problem was, all you really managed to do was be divisive and offend not only the memory of those two great players but a whole heap of their fans as well. This time you didn't even have the guts to just come out and say it so you fluff around for a couple of paragraphs trying to pretend you have some real regard for McGrath and then quote Brian Lara and a nameless "host" of Australian past players (who probably have faced McGrath at his peak about as often as I have) to make your point. I agree that Michael Slater and Damien Fleming are fine commentators but if they are your "host" I'd suggest a rethink. Slater, like McGrath played state cricket for NSW and wouldn't have played "against" his mate since schoolboys cricket, if at all. Incidentally, he was by his own admission pretty hopeless at the 50 over game but one of my favourite Test players. Of course he's going to plumb for Akram in a bowl-off with McGrath. Akram was aiming missiles at him. Fleming was usually bowling at the other end to McGrath and was even less equipped with a bat in his hands than McGrath himself. I'd suggest you poll a few more of the best non-Aussie batsmen from the last decade or so before you claim the support of the cricket fraternity for your opinions. Ask Mike Atherton or Nasser Hussain or Alec Stewart. Ask Graeme Smith or Gary Kirsten or Jaques Kallis. Ask Sachin Tendulkar or Rahul Dravid. Better still ask your countrymen Inzamam and Mohammad Yousuf. In fact, I'd suggest you go and ask Brian again. I'm not sure he'd exactly be pleased with the manner in which you have used his words. McGrath has only dismissed him 15 times in tests and I don't know how many times in ODIs. Why don't you just come out and say it Kamran? Its your opinion. Hang on I'll help you out. "I think Akram was a better bowler than McGrath". There you go. That wasn't so hard was it. Then again, you knew that all your nationalistic mates would come to your aid with lots of "We were the best in 1992 because of Akram and McGrath was only good because he was in a great team and even if he was good, he didn't have diabetes (like that's relevant to the argument). Kamran, do you seriously believe that you and your cronies bring more honour to Akram by so disrespecting McGrath on the occasion of his breaking Akram's record and his official goodbye to cricket. Do you all think you are assisting your team through their present problems by continually crowing about the glories of the past. Talk about kicking a man when he's down. Inzamam deserves far better. He has been a wonderful servant to Pakistan cricket. Teams lose. Get used to it. You all rattle on like Australia has never lost. Did you sleep through the 1980s? I'm sure the great man Wasim would be unimpressed. Instead of thinking about the past he would be devising some way to beat those damned Aussies. He was fearsome, passionate and technically brilliant. I can't think of a player I'd rather see in a tight scrap. He would fight like a tiger. I remember with great fondness his first visit to Australia in 1989/90. He frequently made the Aussies look foolish. Alan Border arguably had the best defense of any batsman of his generation. Wasim frequently reduced him to looking like a learner. I have not seen a better left arm fast bowler and doubt I ever will. His greatest asset was not his "5 different slower balls"(Give us break guys) but his absolute steely determination to remove the batsman from the crease. McGrath is a great because he shares this trait. Different in every other way. Any discussion of greater or lesser is just plain infantile. His record speaks for itself. Akram's second-greatest asset was his graciousness in victory or defeat. My guess is that in present circumstances he would smile that big smile and say quietly to McGrath ,"Well done. I'm glad my record has gone to one so deserving". Kamran, you and your friends would do well to follow his example. Your constant waiving of an old flag just pushes the cricket world apart and diminishes us all.

  • blake on April 2, 2007, 14:30 GMT

    Oh. and just asl Michael Slater about the danger of Wasims bouncer, even on an old track. He says Wasim once bowled him two overs of rapid bouncers on a dead but uneven pakistan wicket, some of the toughest bowling he ever faced.

  • blake on April 2, 2007, 14:28 GMT

    Evan as an Australian I must put Wasim at the top pedestal of the fast bowlers of my generation, alongside only Curtyly Ambrose.

    Wasim could do more with a ball, new or old, than any other modern bowler. He had express pace (used more sparingly but still there in his later years) off disarmingly short run up.

    He lacked the sheer contol, intimidating aura and destructive power of ambrose (a spell of 7 for 2 at the WACA!) but only slightly.

    McGrath comes third to these two.

    My only regret is that Wasims talented batting was allowed to waste when he could have been a true Imran type alrounder.

  • Gulab Khan on April 2, 2007, 14:26 GMT

    If Wasim Akram did not involve in match fixing and played with devotion. On his class he could have seventy plus wickets in the world cup matches.

    Unforunately HARAMA KHORI also effected this great fast bowler.

    Gulab Khan Peshawer

  • Mohammad Farooq on April 2, 2007, 14:26 GMT

    Undoubtedly Wasim Akram was the greatest bowler and probably the best when it came to bowling in the death in ODI's.His wickets tally could have been much more if he had a better fielding side at his disposal considering Mcgrath does and that is why he has so many more wickets in test cricket than many other bowlers.In my opinion Wasim could have easily ended up taking 500 test scalps at the very least if the fielding of the Pakistani team would have been half of what the Aussies have had over the last decade or so. In all probably one of the finest left arm bowler to have played the game and the best produced by Pakistan by quite a margin.

  • Pratik on April 2, 2007, 14:20 GMT

    Despite the wild attraction of Shoaib Akhtar's powerful run up, or the metronomic qualities of McGrath or the lumbering ease of Warne, the best site in world cricket over last 25 years was the way Wasim Akram on a song. The huge swingers, the lethal yorkers, the sharp bouncers and often the searing pace meant he inspired a generation of youngsters to take up fast bowling.

  • Robert on April 2, 2007, 14:15 GMT

    Indeed should I pick an All Time XI then certainly Wasim would be an instant pick. There was little the man couldn't do, 'cept perhaps lead the Pakistan team - then again, who can?!

    As a test bowler Wasim could be agressive or passive. He had the ability to read the game and play it accordingly. Never before have I seen anyone generate that kind of pace from that sort of a run up. As a one day bowler he could contain and choke the batsmen out. With the bat he could stick around in tests, often scoring some very good scores. But as a one day batsman he could be devestating knocking it to all corners.

    All of that said, Mcgrath has played in a stronger side where the other bowlers have as much chance of taking a wicket as he does. Mcgrath also has played fewer world cup games than Wasim. Does this then, not prove that he was a better bowler? You decide.

    But again, when picking my All Time XI, Wasim would be my first pick.

  • Asim Shahid -USA on April 2, 2007, 14:07 GMT

    I totally agree with these comments about Wasim. I think he is the best bowler I have seen in the last 20-25 years and the only other bowler in my mind compete with him for the best bowler is Shane Warne. I haven't saw Wasim hammered to all parts of ground by any team. He had a lot of variety and the ability to come back i.e. whenever hit for a four bowl an excellent ball next up. He not only himself was a great bowler but also used to carry other bowlers along with him e.g. when he was a captain even bowlers like Abdul Razzaq, Saqlain Mushtaq, and Azhar Mahmood used to perform very well along with Shoaib Akhtar. I remember that during 90's sometimes Pakistani batting used to let them down with poor batting but Pakistani bowling led by Wasim used to defend the low score and won those matches. I am pretty sure that if same bowling lineup of nineties would have been playing than we might be able to defend that low total against Ireland. I also agree with this comment that he would have done even better if there was not any politics involved or few differences within the team at that time and also with less hostile behavior of Pakistani people whenever we lost any game. I think we need someone like him in the current pakistani team as I don't see any bowler or player who can perform like him.

  • mansoor on April 2, 2007, 13:57 GMT

    wasim akram was of course the greatest of his time. however, mcgrath has been a real asset for aussis in last 12 years. and he also have many achievements under his belt. i think its good to praise both. they were golden assets of cricket. cricket gets the honour of watching art of two geniuses of their times. good article though.

  • Sameer on April 2, 2007, 13:53 GMT

    Wasim Badshah Akram was the greatest and most exciting bowler of his generation and post his retirement Pakistan cricket has lost that zing and excitement. Being from India, i used to hate him when he used to celebrate every Indian wkt to fall like he s won a war, but he used to pump excitement in the crowd and fans like us. When he was around, the Pakistan were a different team, not ready to loose till final ball...And now look at wots happening...He was a superb captain who used to bring best out of every single player...Abdur razzaq was a different plane when he played in 1999 and so was Akhtar.....

    When he was around India - Pakistan matches were spare and they had intensity. His duals with Sachin and Saurav were delight to watch!!!!!

  • Kash on April 2, 2007, 13:49 GMT

    hmm.., wasim and glen are two different bowlers.. wasim had many a times the added responsibility of captaining the pakistani team, which in a fact must have affected his bowling concentration.. thus less wicket taking deliveries and not to forget those DROPPED CATCHES!!!! glen on the other hand has always been in the same role since he ever started playing for australia.

  • Nick Schneider on April 2, 2007, 13:45 GMT

    Wasim was better than McGrath, Ambrose was better than Wasim, Marshall was better than Ambrose......blah blah blah.

  • Chandrasekar on April 2, 2007, 13:32 GMT

    Wasim Akram was a joy to watch, played with great heart, flair and passion that we may not find in Glenn's. However, due respect has to be given Mcgrath for what he has acheived. I like many still beleive Wasim is one of the best bowlers to have played cricket. The sheer joy of watching the 2 W's bowl together is something what we miss today. I sinceely hope that the present Pakistani bowlers should imbibe the art from this great man.

  • KH on April 2, 2007, 13:32 GMT

    Oh! I see this article was posted on April 1st Mr. Abbasi - how very descriptive about yourself..

  • KH on April 2, 2007, 13:31 GMT

    Dear Mr. Abbasi,

    Off topic - apologies.

    But then, seems to me - when ever some non-Pakistani cricketer is being praised, you _HAVE_ to write a piece saying there exists / existed a Pakistani cricketer who is / was better. I remember you writing a page full of horse manure comparing Warne to Mushtaq.

    Admittedly Wasim was one of his kind bowler, and a great one at that; but what prompts you to write these 'i know xxx is good - but we had produced a better cricketer' pieces all the time??

    Amused.

  • khansahab on April 2, 2007, 13:30 GMT

    Ashaq Bhai, Sir I did not mean serious offence! Apologies if you took those comments to the heart. But I guess you have a right to criticise me the same way I have a go at Mr Javed A Khan for arguing with Euceph Ahmed. I will be honest and sincere with you; the only thing which really irritates me about you is when you write “off course”. I am from the inner city as well. I went to the worst school in Manchester which was about to be closed down because of its pitiful state. But in my A-levels I worked really hard and went to one of the top law schools in the world, Alhamdulillah. In no way I am superior to you; I just constructively criticise people. The last thing I want to do is cause disharmony between individuals. As far as you are concerned, sometimes I feel you cross the limit and make jingoistic comments which you shouldn’t considering the fact that this blog is open to individuals of all nationalities and also considering you reside the in UK and not Pakistan. If you must know, most of the people I meet in Manchester (aka Little Pakistan) are people from Mirpur/Jhelum etc.- uneducated and uncivilised.

    Wasim was a magician truly, but I wish he had stayed away from politics and match fixing. Waqar was no angel either and I don’t want this thread to turn into whether Waqar or McGrath are superior in any way to Wasim, but I do feel that if Wasim had not played his part in Waqar’s relative underachievement, Waqar would have been the greatest of them all.

    People often state that Lara is a better batsman than Tendulkar. I am not a Tendulkar fan, but left handers, because they are rare, always have the advantage over right handers. Bowlers find it slightly difficult to bowl at left handers, which is why we see more left handed attacking batsmen, generally. In the same vein Wasim has the advantage of his whippy action and bowling around the wicket to most batsmen which arguably made him more effective than Waqar or McGrath.

    Ok, if you want me to make comments straight from my heart- Waqar is the eternal best bowler. No one can match his rhythm, his ability to late-swing the ball at a high pace and his aggression. No one can match his yorkers. Plus he still holds the record for the best strike rate amongst all experienced bowlers (200 wickets+). Mr Abbasi’s article on Waqar after the latter’s retirement is one of the best I have ever read and pays an appropriate tribute to Waqar. If all that isn’t enough, he was a right hander.

    My request to posters is to stop including factors like team fielding ability/resources etc in their comparative analyses. Let us accept that McGrath and Wasim are both great bowlers. If we really must distinguish them, we should talk about their different bowling styles; Glenn as a line and length bowler who exploits the corridor of uncertainty whereas Wasim relied more on swing and fuller length deliveries.

    Finally, people who are yet again criticising Mr Abbasi for this article, take a breather for once! PakSpin should not be restricted to playing XI’s and the best strategy to adopt owing to a current crisis (esp keeping in mind that Pakistani cricket is always suffering through some crisis). Mr Abbasi is human like all of us so he deserves a break from everyone detailing their views about who should play and how the team should perform better. I admit that for posters like us, advising about our preferences on strategy and players is interesting but you have to feel for the blog owner as well!

  • Fayez on April 2, 2007, 13:23 GMT

    Without question, Wasim Akram was in a different class altogether, compared to McGrath. I think Pakistan fielders must have dropped about two hundred catches off his bowling, in his career, so that about takes care of the wicket difference. Also, consider that he got the best batsmen out as well, just never trumpeted it like McGrath. Wasim needed no Aussie-style psyche-out, mental disintegration, sledging, or any of that garbage. He was of the old school: the ball talked, plus the odd glare down the pitch. Having said that, yes, we really need to move on. In the current Pakistani crop there is not a single player approaching the capabilities of Wasim, Lara, McGrath, Tendulkar, Ponting, Warne, Murali. Mohammad Yousuf is batting well but that's about it. I live in the US, but I implore all the commenters here to play some good cricket, not just talk about it, so we can have a good team in coming years!

  • shailendra rao, Madras/Halifax on April 2, 2007, 13:14 GMT

    Wasim Akram and Glenn McGrath cannot be compared with one another- statistics don't often tell the whole story and it is incorrect to just go by statistics. There are a few deliveries/spells which would remain forever in my memory.

    Wasim Akram- World Cup 92 final, where he nailed Allam Lamb and Chris Lewis; his hat-trick in the Australasia Cup Final (and other hat-tricks too); ALL his LBW deliveries and his appeals!

    Glenn McGrath- The way he bowled Lara in 99 World Cup (one of the best deliveries in cricket that I have ever seen); his spell at Lords in 2005; his knack of getting the top guns, and a sense of occasion in his achievements.

  • sahab on April 2, 2007, 13:13 GMT

    my mum is the best bowler

  • Sohail on April 2, 2007, 13:08 GMT

    What will happen or what can be done for Pakistani cricket would be the best blog I expect you to run Kamran. Regards Wasim and McGrath I thing both are legends cricket. Numbers, average only count when you are new in this game and they were beyond this limit.

  • birju on April 2, 2007, 12:54 GMT

    Is it just me or are Pakistani fans the most nationalist and biased in the world? Glen Mcgrath has just set a record for world cup wickets by overtaking one of my idols - the great wasim. Whilst I don´t have any problems with acknowledging wasim´scachievement on the way to paying tribute to Mcgrath, I do have a problem with the fact that a Pakistani pundit has decided to take this opportunity to stand on the mountains and shout out about the past glories of one of its plyers. This moment is not about Wasim Akram, this moment is about GD Mcgrath. Whilst I´m here, I would also raise the question about the need for ´Kamran Abbasi´s Pak spin´? Why is there not also an Aussie spin or English spin or Indian spin etc????

  • Shahid on April 2, 2007, 12:54 GMT

    Thanks Kamran for at last writing something in the defense of Wasim. Over the years i have cried like anything when everytime i would hear English/Australian commentator praising the likes of McGrath but not a word would even be uttered in remembrance of Wasim. I even heard one of the commentators say "McGrath is the best bowler of 1990's", WHAT?. And then there would be this lame statement "Wasim is the best LEFT HAND bowler to have played cricket". Come on for heavens sake. Just to reserve praise for McGrath they would attach "BEST LEFT HAND BOWLER" for Wasim. They keep praising Dennis Leillee which i think was a fine bowler but i strongly believe that Wasim is one of the most complete and is the greatest bowler to have played cricket. I have never seen anyone like him. Dennis lillee never knew reverse swing and McGrath, even untill now, cannot bowl in the death overs. No doubt that Wasim was the greatest. Kamran, thanks for defending our heroes and this was long overdue.

    Thanks Shahid.

  • Dr Ahmad Arham on April 2, 2007, 12:51 GMT

    Wasim was great but he was human, he was a natural leader and commanded respect, However, it is pertinent to note that he had his issues and ego problems especially with Waqar younis, someone equally gifted. Both of them could have worked for greater heights of the teams but kept bickering and getting involved in politics. It's apt that both had their careers ended after the same world cup!

  • Shahid Rizwan on April 2, 2007, 12:48 GMT

    Great comments by Farrukh when he says "So Dr Nasim Ashraf has set up a 3 member team to find out the cause of World Cup failure.I thought Nasim Ashraf himself and Salim Altaf were the major reasons for this failure.May be Osama Bin Laden should be made in charge of investigations for who bombed the World Trade Center!!"

    The person who spoiled all is trying to find out the causes of it...how funny and disappointing..pray to God that these not cricketing people stop spoiling our cricket.."

    Indeed Wasim Akram was the greated left aram bowler ever seen by the World but i would say that he did not do justice to his talent in the test arena..

  • Abdul Basit on April 2, 2007, 12:47 GMT

    I was at the group game vs Australia at Headingley in 1999 which Wasim won in the 50th over. If memory serves correctly Australia needed 12 off the final over to win which we all felt they would get only for Wasim to take the last 2 wickets!

    I also agree with JB above that watching him out-smart the batsmen was a quality few other bowlers posses.

  • Farooq on April 2, 2007, 12:45 GMT

    For me left arm fast bowling doesn't get any better. He really was the grand master of swing bowling and without an iota of doubt was the greatest fast bowler to grace the cricketing field our times. Someone truly described his as the left hand of God.

  • Saiful Ansari, Leesburg VA 20176 on April 2, 2007, 12:45 GMT

    Both Wasim and Glen Mcgrath will go down in cricket history, as great fast bowlers. Wasim was sensational with many deliveries and variations in his attack. Mcgrath is consistent and what he lacks in variation is made up in line, length and accuracy.

    Fortunately for Ossies there is life in their bowling departmen after Mcgrath, while Pakistan after Wasim and Waqar lacks in pacemen who can hunt in packs. Asif, Umer Gul, Rana Naveed, and even Shoaib Akhtar are not in the same class. The fast bowling is at best toothless and against the better teams helpless.

    Australia will miss Glen Mcgrath like millions of fans throughout the world. Even at 37 Mcgrath still stands out towering heads and shoulders over other pacemen and has troubled the best batsmen in the business. He could clearly play for a few more years, but elected to go and give youngsters a chance to replace him.

    We miss Wasim and Glen will be missed too.

  • Cricketfan on April 2, 2007, 12:41 GMT

    Here we go again...watch everyone blindly trash each other on who the better player was. Totally unneeded discussion, we really need to get out of the habit of randomnly praising our past heroes. No doubt they were greats, but it would do more good if everyone was to concentrate on the current situation.

  • PAk Fan on April 2, 2007, 12:35 GMT

    Its depressing to see that Wasim does not feature in the current Pakistan team set up. He would be the ideal bowling coach, advisor or what ever, he should some how be in current scheme of things.

    No other country with exception of Pakistan will waste such a talented guy.

  • Tariq Ashfaq on April 2, 2007, 12:31 GMT

    Wasim: What can i say about sultan of swing. probably one of the best fast bowlers in the world and the best from Pakistan.

    We cannot compare Mcgrah to wasim as they both are different bowlers, playing for different teams and Operating in different conditions. 1. Our fielders never supported our fast bowlers where as Aussies have been the best fielding side for some time now. 2.Wasim never had Warne operating from one side. 3. Mcgrah was lethal with new ball but in later stages he struggled, whereas wasim can make any ball talk. 4. wasim played in sub continent wickets taylor made for batting n Mcgrah played most of his games in Aus and UK,

    So the central idea is both of them are great bowlers but there is no match for wasim akram, who will remain the sultan of swing.

  • khawaja naveed zafar on April 2, 2007, 12:25 GMT

    wasim akram's two deliveries in the 1992 final are considered to b his best or the best in world cup history. But my question is can any one produced a deliver like the one he produced (if one remembers)in the famous test match at chennie to clean bowled the bastman of the callibre of Rahul Dravid??????

  • mohammed on April 2, 2007, 12:19 GMT

    He was a good bowler who could not resist tampering with the ball. I once saw a match between Lancs and leicester in 1993, he took about 3/4 wickets in one over but before the over had started there he was at the bottom of my tv screen scratching away at the quarter seam. I have never seen McGRATH do that. Great bowlers just don,t do that!

  • Wasif M. Khan on April 2, 2007, 12:10 GMT

    Wasim Akram's opening spell was, for me, the raison d'etre to watch one day cricket. No one I have ever watched bowl quite combined guile, craft, and such consummate artistry into one package. And, never ever did he raise an eyebrow, let alone a finger in anger to tell the dumbstruck victim to hurry along. Just that infectious smile and all one had to do was to wait for the next batsman to be ruffled completely.

    For anyone who still wishes to cite the infamous Justice Qayyum, it is very well known, and not just in judicial circles, that the man's rectitude was not quite above board; regardless of his judicial acumen, I am thus loathe to respect any inquiries or judgements by such a man. The only dark spot that I ever heard about Wasim came from many young fast bowlers, and is just an accusation, since it can not really be proved; that he despised any young talented fast bowler. Regardless of this or all his talents, one fact remains, and reminds us all that Wasim was just human, much as his feats suggest otherwise. That fact simply is that he was never able to produce anyone greater than himself; it would have been an incomparable gift to all his fans.

  • Viju Jacob on April 2, 2007, 12:03 GMT

    What a joy it was to watch Wasim bowl and doubly more when it was in tandem with Waqar making it the W show all the way. As an indian I could only watch on telly with my jaw open as he mesmerised all (batsmen including) with his ability to bowl anything at any given time. It was the game's loss when the W show stopped for one reason or the other and all the allegations against him seemed to affect him. But he soldiered on nonetheless, and was a joy to watch till the end. If only he had concentrated a bit more on his batting! I truly believe that if he wasnt affected by diabetes he would have been far more lethal and THAT would have been unmatchable. Thank God Wasim played cricket.

  • dr. shahid khan on April 2, 2007, 11:56 GMT

    to the older generation it was all about imran khan. to my generation it will always be about imran, but more so it will be wasim. this guy knew how to set the house on fire. six variations of deliveries in one over.. what a bowler!! the best left arm bowler ever, and arguably the best bowler to date. leave pakistan politics out of it, this guy would single handedly rip batting line ups apart. i remember in pakistans tour of india in 1999, wasim and waqar were cheered and treated like gods by the indian faithful. who can forget the 92 final, wasim pumped up after removing lamb and then chris lewis next ball. young lad of 22, the world at his feet. amazing times, whoever says stop living in the past surely doesn't know how great the past was. indeed it could have been better, but such is the nature of pakistani people and politics. but hey that another issue, heres to wasim akram, pakistans golden kid... lets hope asif can take up the mantle now. a cross between mcgrath and akram? what do you think guys? would be amazing for pakistan and world cricket

  • ASOOD on April 2, 2007, 11:53 GMT

    I never could understand how no one (other than pakistan) has tried to recruit wasim as their bowling coach as he has so many things to teach. Purely on the basis of skills, I think he is the greatest bowler of all time.

  • Talha on April 2, 2007, 11:52 GMT

    Wasim was undoubtably the best left arm bowler in all time, as well as a batsman whose runs made a big difference in many games. On paper, Glenn has better figures in tests and in odi's with slightly lower averages, but in reality, you have to cosider Wasim playing for a side not as strong overall as Mcgrath's. Mcgrath had a superoir batting, bowling and fielding side he could rely on to keep the pressure always on.

    Another factor is that Wasim a captain and a very handy batsman. Glenn was only ever a bowler and all his job included was to get wickets and get the job done as a bowler. Wasim made an amazing not out double century against zimbabwe in tests and glenn with a misely average of 7.

    Wasim was definately the better cricket player of the two!

  • Omar B on April 2, 2007, 11:51 GMT

    Yup Wasim was absolutely fantastic. I hope upcoming fast bowlers can benifit from his services.

    To people like Steve and Brett ("getting rid of our fixation" "You guys really have to start thinking about your next great player") your words of wisdom and sincerity is appreciated by Pakistani fans. However this blog is called Pak spin and is about remembering Wasim (read the title if you dont beleive me.)

  • Hari on April 2, 2007, 11:44 GMT

    "I'm undecided on the merit of these tactics but you seem to hail a Pakistani great every time an Aussie or other player is in the limelight. First it was Abdul Qadir when Shane Warne retired. Now Wasim when McGrath broke his record."

    You make a few valid points but what the above poster said was true. It seems Mr Abbasi that you seem too eager to thrust your Pakistani contemporaries into the limelight. Sure Wasim was great, possibly even better than McGrath but as the poster pointed out this is McGrath's moment. You did a similar thing when Warne retired with a petty headline that went along the lines of 'Warne's good but Qadir is better'. This is entirely unnecessary. You keep citing the fact that McGrath plays for Australia and Wasim plays for Pakistan, which is some kind of handicap. How is this McGrath's fault? For all we know Wasim was a central figure in the matchfixing scandal and the 'dirty politics' you refer to. All I can say is at least this article is slightly more balanced than the last.

  • john vane on April 2, 2007, 11:38 GMT

    Sorry I forgot to add to my last post that Alan Davidson may have something to say when it comes to talk about greatest left hand fast bowlers. Davidson carried the Australian attack for 10 years magnificently, averaged 25 with the bat and was known as 'the claw' for his superb close in catching ability. Richie Benaud for one doesn't rate one ahead of the other.

  • john vane on April 2, 2007, 11:34 GMT

    Hello out there - Does the name Curtley Ambrose mean anything to anybody? Given a choice of bowlers which one of Akram, McGrath and big Curtley would a captain pick to bowl the last over of a tight one day international? Forget your country of origin for a moment and think about it.

  • Nabeel Ahmed on April 2, 2007, 11:20 GMT

    Kamran if there is anyone suitable to lead PCB its you, your clear thinking and coupled with beautiful words is music to my ears. I wish we had admnistrators like you in our Cricket Board, please help our cricket in any shape way or form. Nice blog as always. Akram was special talent put polluted his image to some extent (story of our country).

  • Vinay on April 2, 2007, 11:12 GMT

    There is no question of comparing McGrath with Wasin Akram. McGrath always played with a good and confident team but on the other hand Wasim most of the times playes with a mediocre team. Wasim is the all time best bowler in one day cricket and no one can beat him what so even. Ask McGrath to bowl against Australians and earnt he same reputation as Wasim did. I doubt if it will even happen. WASIM ROCKS!!!

  • zafar on April 2, 2007, 11:09 GMT

    Yes, wasim was a born bowler.... a genius .... McGrath a bowler who was made not born... what ruined akram's charisma was his off the field indulgence in politics

  • hari on April 2, 2007, 11:01 GMT

    No, Waqar was the best hadn't he underwent an operation for the back in the mid 90s. Wasim was great too. But i think if waqar had not had that operation, he would have easily surpassed almost all the records in bowling department. Of all the 470+ wickets in his tests, the first 200 came in just 37 tests with an incredible average and strike rate.

    From 1990-1994, Waqar was equally unplayable as Wasim for all the teams because of his sheer pace and accuraccy. But destiny was such taht he was forced to change his action slightly and i think it affected his rhythm a lot and then runs started leaking. Or else he would have surpassed everyone in the world so easily in both forms of the games.

    Surprisingly, he is just 35 years old now, and he retired 3 years back. So that means by the age of 32, if someone can take 450+ wickets in tests and around 400 wickets in onedayers, he is the greatest. Even Akram played until his 37th age, as is Mcgrath, Warne or whoever it is.

    According to me, Waqar was equally good as Wasim, should given 10/10 for both, where as Mcgrath cannot be compared to the great Ws.

    But i feel pity towards the condition of the Pakistani cricket now and how they treat the former players.

    Why cant PCB make Wasim as teh coach and Waqar as the bowling coach. I am wondering what a mediocre spin bowler like Mushtaq Ahmed can do being an assistant coach. Will he be able to help fast bowlers in bowling googly, flipper and doosra or those sort of things to the upcoming fast bowlers. Waste of money and waste of time. If PCB really wants a spin bowler to be the bowling coach, then Abdul Qadir was far better for teh sake of it.

  • Farrukh on April 2, 2007, 10:59 GMT

    I think Lara, Wasim, Tendulkar & McGrath have all entertained us for so many years. These players have given us so much entertainment. My worry is will we be able to see the same class & entertainment in future???

  • chris on April 2, 2007, 10:41 GMT

    Wasim the best of his generation?? I think Kamran and a few Wasim die hard fans have let what Lara said go to their heads a bit. McGrath is a MUCH better bowler than Wasim. And do we so quickly disregard Warne, Murali, Ambrose as well. Pull your head in Kamran.

    And Lara, how many times did McGrath get you out? Stopped counting right? Yeah but Wasim was better...

    Look I don't want to be a party pooper Wasim was a great player I just think we should be a little more careful before we throw "greatest" around every five minutes. Isn't this the same guy who said that Abdul Qadir was the greatest legspinner? I'm waiting for the next post where he says Miandad was better than Bradman. Stop looking at cricket through green tinted glasses please.

  • Amer Hussain on April 2, 2007, 10:34 GMT

    Kamran,

    I agree that as a bowler, Wasim had no equal. But where is his legacy? I can't see McGrath, Lara, Hayden, Ponting etc....not having some say in the future development in their respective countries. Why do Pakistan have no pacemen who have modelled their actions on Wasim, or better still have been trained and developed by Wasim.

    To be a great cricketer should not have been enough with Wasim's talent - to leave a pool of talent for Pakistan would be a great legacy. We need our ex-players now, more than ever before. So raise an appeal, get the politics out of the way, and get Saeed anwar, Wasim and Waquar and Aaqib, Moin and Latif, Miandad, Inzi, Ejaz Ahmed, Saqlain, Mushie, all of them into the national coaching set up and showing our youngsters how it should be done. They still have a lot to offer, but due to the crap that is the PCB, I can't see it ever happening.

    By the way, the name being touted as Team Coach - Aaqib Javed, what are your thoughts. Contrary to my argument above, where I would like to see his eapertise called on to enhance talent, I think a foreign coach, with NO AGENDA other than to make our team into winners is the only way forward.

  • HelloWorld on April 2, 2007, 10:27 GMT

    Both are good. Styles are different but both are effective. Mcgrath is like a cold blooded assassin, calm, calculated and waiting for the right moment to strike with a machine like accuracy and consistency. Wasim was more like a 'In your face' boxing champ. Arrogant, confident and never say die mindset. Perhaps the way his figures are not that impressive because sometimes he had overdone things. Never worried about leaking runs, never bothered the slip fielders... just wanted to blast away your stumps or your toes(Lara in 1992 WC) Too bad one has already left the cricket field and the other is about to left.

  • Imran on April 2, 2007, 10:26 GMT

    I agree with you Kamran. And given the fact that Wasim got an astonishing number of wickets despite the often dismal fielding from his colleagues while McGrath always had safe hands behind the stumps (keepers and slip catchers) make his achievements even more great.

  • marcus on April 2, 2007, 10:23 GMT

    Adam Chalmers- you say that Lara leads an incompetent team, and then complain that "only Lara's greatness" is heightened. That just doesn't make any sense- Lara's greatness is heghtened beacuse he leads an incompetent team! (And to be fair, West Indies are inconsistent more than incompetent.) "Ricky Ponting flays attacks all day...and doesn't throw a fit" when it gets tough? He never loses his cool? You're kidding me, right? And yes, he does flay attacks every day- very average ones full of inconsistent bowlers. Anyone will tell you that the bowling attcks of the 90s were far, far superior to the bowling attacks today. And you may be interested to know that both Tendulkar and Lara average over 50 in test cricket against Australia (with Tendulkar being marginally ahead). But Lara has made a whopping 3 double centuries against us, and almost single-handedly drew the series in 1998, against a bowling lineup that Ponting could never hope to face. That's the key to Lara's greatness- he's put on a record load of runs against consistently tough opposition, usually by himself. Now you can make a similar case for Tendulkar, but at least try not to patronise other players while you're doing it.

  • Noman Yousuf Dandore on April 2, 2007, 10:19 GMT

    To win an accolade from His Majesty Prince Brian Charles Lara is an achievement itself. But hey isn't Wasim Akram (still) The Sultan of Swing himself? He definitely was a champion on the field and as another champion takes over his tally, let us take out a minute to hail the Original Champ. As for Glen Mcgrath, well he was born on that channel outside the off stump, he has lived over there and will die on that channel. Heck even his last wish would be to be burried just outside the off-stump on a cricket pitch. Cheers!

  • Peter on April 2, 2007, 10:07 GMT

    Some years ago I watched Australia take on Pakistan at the MCG in a ODI. Australia were cruising and seemed to have the measure of all the bowlers. On came Wasim for his second spell, off a short run yet he seemed to generate great pace and suddenly the batting looked ordinary.

    He had that rare ability to make it look so easy and that's why people say he underachieved. He didn't, and in my view he is surely the greatest left armer of them all. And let's not forget he could bat and always looked like he enjoyed the game and had fun, in stark contrast to the current Pakistan side. After Imran he is the greatest player his country has produced.

  • Waqar Younis on April 2, 2007, 10:04 GMT

    I would have to say, that Wasim was an outright better bowler than Mcgrath. It's a Shame Mohammad Asif Missed this World Cup because in 12 years time he would have ecplised McGrath. Wasim in what I remember of him was an ora to watch. Glen M is a boring bowler.

  • prabhakar on April 2, 2007, 10:04 GMT

    Wasim Akram is not only the best bowler of his generation , but I would rank him the greatest bowler ever in the history of cricket. Show me someone who can move the ball both ways (sometimes a single delivery would seemingly come in and then go the other way) plus the pace, the left hander's angle and what not. I feel rather fortunate that I did not become an international player during his time. As someone said, he is 'Gods own left arm'. The greatest fast bowler. Period.

  • Rizwan Younus on April 2, 2007, 10:02 GMT

    Salam to all. Both Mcgrath And Akram Fantastic Bowlers The best of there generation ther is no doubt. However when you look at careers of both closely you would give the edge to the great Was. Akram is a idol. He has had to put up with so much pakistani politics, Accusations of match fixing, Ball Tampering etc yet he has come beyond this and still become a legend. Glenn was is a fantastic bowler but was had that x factor. Watching him bowl is like watching federer play tennis he makes it beautiful viewing. To sum it up in the words of Allan Border "If I was reborn as a cricketer I would be Wasim Akram"

  • FM on April 2, 2007, 10:00 GMT

    in short althou i'm from Pakistan, but after Wasim the bowler whom i admired da most is Glen. no doubt both r great

  • Ghufran Ahmad on April 2, 2007, 9:59 GMT

    Yes, he was brilliant bowler, but I say he was an excellent cricketor, because he was the best batsman as well as a brilliant bowler. And that's why I see him SUPERIOR than Mcgrath.

  • tahir on April 2, 2007, 9:50 GMT

    no doubt Wasim was a big bowler,he is bowler of that kind which never felt pressure after got a any six or four on a bad delivery.He has the variety of balls in one over.

  • bagha boy on April 2, 2007, 9:46 GMT

    Yes...but Glenn McGrath is a much much much much better Test match bowler than Akram was.

  • Cricket Fan-India on April 2, 2007, 9:43 GMT

    Wasim Akram remains the best left arm in the world in history of cricket. That bring to question as to why he is not the bowling caoch/advisor to Pakistan. Even India should not be averse to hiring him as a bowling coach. Some how Akram has shown reluctance in coaching to Pakistan officially. And may be political reasons are keeping him away from India. Of course he has always generously offered useful tips to all asking for help. He has made a great contribution to world of cricket, We hope and expect that he shall contribute through his inputs and advice to future generations pacers from sub continent. Hats off to great Wasim Akram we really miss you..!!

  • tabs farooq on April 2, 2007, 9:33 GMT

    The man was a god! I totally agree with your comments. Best Left arm bowler of all time and probably in the top 5 bowlers of all time!

  • Ali Bokhary on April 2, 2007, 9:33 GMT

    It surprises me to see Pakistanis getting so overboard in their praises as well as in condemnations when it comes to describing anything pakistani. For me Wasim is most noticeable for his performance in the last two matches of WC 92 and for hmmmmm nothing esle almost. For me he was far more noticeable for the petty politics he got involved in against first miandad and then with almost every other prominent player that pakistan saw during his period, especially Waqar (who in my opinion was a far superior bowler on all accounts but was ruined carrier-wise by the guy named wasim). If Waqar had played as many matches as wasim did he would have ended up with far better aggregates. Besides Waqar and Imran are also more remembered for far more victories they won for Pakistan single handedly than wasim ever did. Comparing to Glenn Mcgrath, again I feel it's an unfair comparison and its evident in the numbers tied to the records. Mcgrath ofcourse with far fewer matches accomplished more than wasim did in far more matches. The comparison between both of them is the same like comparing Lara and Tendulkar. (Lara would accomplish double of what Tendulkar has achieved in the number of matches tendulkar has played). Wasim is over rated to the max. He owes a lot to waqar for what he achieved as a captain, the same man he almost destroyed in his prime.

  • Brett on April 2, 2007, 9:23 GMT

    Yeah, you are all correct. Wasim was the best. Pakistan is the best. McGrath is a fluke supported by his team-mates...blah, blah, blah. You guys really have to start thinking about your next great player - not bagging current greats. There were a dozen greats a decade ago, just as there are now. You need to get your guys to aspire to greatness and win some games. It is a team game after all...

  • Mohammad Athar Hameed on April 2, 2007, 9:21 GMT

    I was watching ESPN LEGEND OF CRICKET yesterday. RAvi Shastri was interview by ESPN and he said he think AKRAM was best CRICKETER in 90s. He said "He thinks Akram was much batter than TENDULKAR AND LARA."I am totaly agree with Ravi.

  • robin on April 2, 2007, 9:21 GMT

    wasim akram and glenn mcgrath: both masterful bowlers and its hard to separate--statistically--their contributions to the teams they played for. however, of the two (of anybody) wasim was the more prodigiously talented and heartstoppingly exciting. he should be remembered not just with praise but with awe.

    and to Ashaq: i completely agree with your post above... that's what makes this blog, and its posts, great. don't take crap from anyone.

  • Owais Ahmad on April 2, 2007, 9:05 GMT

    No doubt Wasim was a clossus. But this is also clear that our team could have achieved much more during his time. The major impediment was lack of unity and lack of proper cricketing structure. Kamran, I seem to agree with your comment 100% "The resources available to Pakistan cricket in the 1990s allowed an administrative complacency to set in that has allowed its foundations to crumble away." This is the kind of analysis and insightful comments we look from people like you and Osman Samiuddin. For God sake dont turn an expected shambolic on-field performance into a match fixing allegation following comments from Safaraz Nawaz. You dont need intellectual insight from Aamir Sohail, Sarfaraz Nawaz, Rashid Latif, Miandad....all of them have their goals. Sarfaraz does not deserve any space in cricket news at least.

  • Shahid Afzal on April 2, 2007, 8:57 GMT

    Well indeed, I agree with you on that one, Kamran. Wasim Akram was the greatest fast bowler this country produced, better even than Imran, his mentor. He could do it at all times of an innings and with all sorts of deliveries. He was the first fast bowler who could bowl an entire spell without bowling the same delivery twice.Thought only spinners could do it. Who can ever forget those two deliveries in the WC final in '92 when he became the choice of every generation. A true genius, one of the two delights in Pakistan cricket over the last decade (the other being Inzamam who looks a lost man nowadays)and someone you could bank on for 10-1-28-2 every time he took the field. Well played, sir and thank you for representing my country with pride and distinction.

  • Kapil - New Delhi/Bangalore on April 2, 2007, 8:53 GMT

    Well there is no doubt that Wasim was indeed the Sultan of Swing and Pakistan was definitely a better team with him. It was a treat to watch him bowl with that fast arm action, not many can claim to have that smooth action and run-up.Also McGrath's success also depends on the bowling of Prowess of Shane Warne. They both really formed an awesome bowling option for Australia's firepower. Pakistan also hunted in pair of Wasim and Waqar for some of mid-90's era and it showed in their performance also. Calling him the greatest bowler of his generation fits the bill as he rose from the dusty tracks of sub-continent to the eternal glory. Not many (being diabetic)can run from close the crease and deliver the ball with such great effect.

  • mohammed on April 2, 2007, 8:43 GMT

    He was a good bowler who could not resist tampering with the ball. I once saw a match between Lancs and leicester in 1993, he took about 3/4 wickets in one over but before the over had started there he was at the bottom of my tv screen scratching away at the quarter seam. I have never seen McGRATH do that. Great bowlers just don,t do that!

  • steve on April 2, 2007, 8:40 GMT

    For god's sake, get rid of your fixation! Take the fact that the record has been broken in the right spirit! God, India and Pakistan will never improve. They will forever be remembering the 1983 and 1992 world cups. Learn to live in the present man, else you'll be trampled upon by Australia and the rest.

  • Omer Admani on April 2, 2007, 8:38 GMT

    Must you recall past glory to cheer your heart up when facing the mediocre present? "Yes" And I shall join you...

    I haven't seen a bowler better than Akram. I wouldn't mind if he were to come and play matches for Pakistan now...after all, he doesn't need pace, all he has to do is turn that arm 360 degress and produce magic. I am hoping that Asif and Gul could become something close; they were on that path when Waqar was the coach, weren't they? Please, doctor, do one thing right, bring Waqar back! And don't make the stupidity of selecting different captains for Tests and One-days, and please don't bring a baseball coach for fielding, unless it is "only" for stregthening the throwing arm. Your parrot logic of memorizing books for your doctorship doesn't warrant you a position "extra smart" in the anals of cricket. Someone please change the chairman so that we get someone who "knows" cricket before claiming to understand it.

  • Ashfaq Shah on April 2, 2007, 8:28 GMT

    Agree with your comments on the side of 1999, only if had one in form middle order batter in that side and history could have been different. Also, another reason why 2003 world cup was such a disaster, because crux of that team was same as one in 1999. But hail Wasim, what a genius !

  • Amar on April 2, 2007, 8:25 GMT

    Wasim as most will agree was the best fast bowler of his generation and easily the greatest left arm fast bowler of all time...however lets not forget Waqar, who were it not for injuries and politics may well have gone onto becoming the greatest fast bowler of all time...well in my opinion at least.

  • Syed Muhammad Azmat Shah on April 2, 2007, 8:24 GMT

    Thanks Kamran Bhai for remembering my WASIM. I consider myself a Majnoon(lover) of Wasim Akram.Allah knows how i passed those early days when wasim retired.Even believe you me, a few days ago, i searched wasim akram in google, i found many articles about him, and i just couldnt control tears coming out of my Cute Green eyes thinking that i have him no more around. Mcgrath broke wasim's record, I was very very sad,that a record from Pakistan was going to Australia, from Wasim to Mcgrath but i ray of joy was also there. I always thought that for a few more days in my life i will be able to read and hear admirations of my Favourite cricketer and thanks yet more Mr Kamran for reminding him to the world. I love Bill Lowreys commentary. He used to get red hot when commentating Wasim's bowling, saying"Beautifo Bowla", i have regrets only that i am unable to listen to these words from Bill Lowrey any more.May this age goes a few years back, may i see my Wasim in action again, but Alas! this is a cruel world, time waits for nobody, i cant get my wasim back, and i have to have only shiny tears in my eyes remembering the Best ever southpaw the game has seen.Long Live Wasim,Long live Kamran,Long Live Pakistan.even my email address at hotmail is wasimakram82@Hotmail.com

  • Paul G on April 2, 2007, 8:18 GMT

    I agree with Kamram - Wasim was the best bowler of his generation and maybe the best left arm quick of all time. McGrath, also a fine bowler, played in the best team in his (and Wasim's) generation. I know what I would prefer - two (and maybe three) World Cups would do it for me (plus the countless other succcesses). While Wasim always appeared to be a team man I suspect the same could not be said for a number of colleagues which is largely attributable to the lack of overall success of the Pakistan team during Wasim's era when it probably the most talented team in world cricket. Talent, of course, will only get you so far (see current Indian team).

  • Armughan on April 2, 2007, 8:18 GMT

    Wasim is, without a doubt, the finest left arm fast bowler of all times. The record in world cup speaks volumes of his ability. One should not forget that Wasim hardly got a chance to bowl at teams like Scotland, Canada and Bermuda. If he had, he probably would have had 75 not 55 wickets in the World Cup. Glen McGrath is a great bowler and deserves all the praise as he has been consistent through out his career, but a record will not make him greater then Wasim Akram, but to be fair, nothing will. Wasim Akram's class has been matchless and it should remain the same for a long time to come.

  • Adam Chalmers on April 2, 2007, 8:16 GMT

    Lara, the best batsmen of his generation??? Dont make me laugh. This recent adulation of Lara in face of other greats in unbearable. First of all Lara is anything but a team player, he leads an imcompetant team and only his own glory is heightened. How many games has he won off his bat for the W.I? Ricky Ponting flays attacks per day, and doesn't retreat when it all gets too tough or throw a fit. Tendulkar had 14,000 runs to his name!!! He has destroyed the Aussies more often than Lara ever could. The greatest bowler of all time, S.K Warne has himself nomiated Tendulkar as the best... do you need any more of a recomendation? Then there are plenty more, Imazamam, Steve Waugh, etc. Lara is a god amongst children...to say he is teh greatest batsmen of his era is wrong!

  • BAJWA on April 2, 2007, 8:02 GMT

    Yeah...u r rite bro.... Whole Pakistan(and the whole world)LoVeS the best bowler--> Wasim Akram...Cheetah....

  • Harish, India on April 2, 2007, 8:00 GMT

    Mc grath may have broken the record of Akram in WC, but for miliions of Fans across Subcontinent, Akram shall remain the greatest. His bowling was sheer magic.He bowled with lot of passion and agression . I still remember his screaming appeals for LBW. 99% of time umpires would just agree with him.It is said he could bowl six diffrent types of deliveries in same over. Compared to this Mc grath is more or less predictable. Records are meant to be broken. Even Mc grath has openly acknowledged Akrams ability. We miss Akram the great , bowlers like him are once in a life time, we were fortunate enough to see him in action.

  • Irfan Yousuf on April 2, 2007, 7:34 GMT

    hey isnt it time to bring in Wasim Akram as coach i mean really he can be the one who can cummunicate with these players, i think he can bring the way we played cricket in the 90's. free men with a free will to win. off course we need application in the field thats what the baseball coach would do. and then Younis and Yousuf could work with the batsmen.

  • Urbaz on April 2, 2007, 7:29 GMT

    What we would give for another Wasim.....

  • Surya on April 2, 2007, 7:23 GMT

    I think you'll find that TENDULKAR is the greatest batsman and not Lara.

  • Nirbhay Singh on April 2, 2007, 7:16 GMT

    On the money regarding Wasim; I have had the honour and the pleasure to see most of his bowling and there's no better bowler than him in his generation and even others as well. Definitely in the top 5 fast bowlers of all time.

    However on the topic of the Greatest Batsmen of our generation- this is debatable; a certain Sachin Tendulkar although not comaparable to his past glory isn't done yet and we will have to reserve judgement on that.

    In matchwinning knocks as a batsmen there is no comparison with the great Inzamam who is the best in that department.

    I do hope he gets a good farewell from ODI's.Maybe a last cricketimng out of both Inzy & Kumble with a one off ODI that India-Pak can play? Would be a great way to say farewell to these two giants of the game.

    Regards, Nirbhay.

  • Euceph Ahmed on April 2, 2007, 6:50 GMT

    Kamran... What's there to discuss about this topic? Are we going to get into useless comparisons again while you get 800 hits on your blog? And each of those comments would go something like... "Yes Kamran, you hit the nail on the wherever..." or "Kamran, I couldn't agree with you more", or "Kamran, you're absolutely right", etc. etc. You never get tired of getting those approvals, do you?

    At best some people will get into Aussie-bashing to satisfy their inner racist selves. Some Aussies will be irked and take real offence and get on the defensive as if all accounts must be settled right here. Then a few Indians will jump in trying to prove that Kapil Dev was better than anyone else. All toward what end? Beats me!!! In reality, it spoils both players' greatness in the end.

    Would've been so much better if you stuck to the other topic that you briefly mentioned i.e. the requirement of sharp brains in cricket. But, then again, I've seen plenty in these blogs supporting that "rangroot" Abdul Razzaq who I'm sure has his brains in his knees.

  • farrukh on April 2, 2007, 6:26 GMT

    So Dr Nasim Ashraf has set up a 3 member team to find out the cause of World Cup failure.I thought Nasim Ashraf himself and Salim Altaf were the major reasons for this failure.May be Osama Bin Laden should be made in charge of investigations for who bombed the World Trade Center!!

  • Hamza on April 2, 2007, 6:26 GMT

    Very nice Kamran Sahb. Leave the horrible present and the bleak future. Let's salvage some pride by reviewing the past of our cricket!!!!

  • Rob on April 2, 2007, 6:22 GMT

    It's right that you should praise Wasim because of what he achieved. It's also right that your article should be about Pakistan, it is after all a Pakistani blog. I can't help feeling you have sold McGrath a bit short though. He's more than just a metronome. He possesses beautiful, subtle changes of pace, seam movement and lately even swing. He is a very, very clever bowler who has many skills apart from incredible accuracey and durability. He is also a very nice guy. The bravado and predictions is just his little joke on the media, he's actually very modest and level headed. He is after all a wheat farmer, and they don't come much more practical than that.

    Cheers Watts_His_Name

  • Shafiq on April 2, 2007, 5:24 GMT

    Wasim is the best the world ever had! Lara shows his greatness by always praising wasim--- If would have been in Austraia or England- he may had 1000 test and 2000 ODI wickets with 5 World cups and 100 World cup wickets...

  • Theena on April 2, 2007, 5:22 GMT

    I'd pick Akram before I even consider McGrath. And that is in no way an insult to McGrath, who I think is a fine bowler.

    Where McGrath would pitch the ball in the same spot ball after ball, daring batsmen to go after him, Akram would pitch it in the same spot and, in Mark Taylor's words, do something different every time. That sort of virtuosity with the cricket ball is something that McGrath never possessed.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on April 2, 2007, 5:12 GMT

    Pider-e-mun Sultan bood .... My father was the Shah! But the question is, who are you? How long Pakistan is going to brag about their past Heroes? Past is past lets talk about the future, is there any good in talking about Wasim Akram or Imran Khan and, do they have anything to give to the youngsters? The tragedy of their kind is like, "For the vision of one man lends not its wings to another man" What a shame for the youngsters when they look up to their heroes and say: "Dast be daaman-e-har kas keh zadam rosva bood."

  • kuldip shankar on April 2, 2007, 5:07 GMT

    Apart from his incridible bowling and late order batting, I remember the outfielding of this man and those ripping throws from the boundry. Truely a great cricketer and a true ambassador of pakistan cricket.

  • Abdur Razzak on April 2, 2007, 5:07 GMT

    Truly a great fasy bowler.What couldn't he acheive when the red cherry was in hands.No doubt the best to have played in the last two decades.

  • Sooraj on April 2, 2007, 4:28 GMT

    Indeed Akram is the finest bowler of his generation and the finest left armer world has ever seen and a very useful batsman too who could hit the ball long distance.

  • Jaswiinder singh on April 2, 2007, 4:24 GMT

    Wasim Akram is the greatest bowler in ODI.He developed reverse swing with old ball and used it effectively in both form of game.I will never forget his bowling in 1992 world cup final.

  • Faridoon on April 2, 2007, 4:13 GMT

    Well, absolutely no one is forgetting what a great bowler Wasim was but Kamran sahab this is McGrath's moment.

    I'm undecided on the merit of these tactics but you seem to hail a Pakistani great every time an Aussie or other player is in the limelight. First it was Abdul Qadir when Shane Warne retired. Now Wasim when McGrath broke his record.

    Qadir I think people had definitely forgot so thanks for reminding us. Wasim is a class apart so thanks for reminding us but we haven't forgotten him, never will.

  • manoj on April 2, 2007, 4:07 GMT

    True. As an ardent follower of cricket, i beleive that wasim is the most talented bowler to have played the game during this era. Shane warne's fans would think otherwise but he along with murali forms the top three talented bowlers of thie generation. glen mcgrath on the other hand is Mr.Perfect. He is the most intimidating bowler of recent times , more for his accuracy and his special skill to target the oppositions main batsmen rather than for the pace he generates. australia owes a lot to pigeon for their sustained dominance in world cricket. Hats off to the great masters- mcgrath and wasim

  • Muhammad Asif on April 2, 2007, 3:02 GMT

    Thums up. Hats off for Waseem Akram, The only difference between Mcgra & Waseem is that Mcgra bowls with brain while Akram with heart. Master of the ball. He gave beautiful moments to cricket. He was the real criket artist.

  • Muhammad Anwar on April 2, 2007, 2:23 GMT

    Wasim Akram was indeed the best bowler of this generation. He too became a victim of Pakistan crickit board politics and conspiricy. I just finished listening to press conference of PCB chief Dr. Nasim. It is amazing how such seasoned people can twist facts so blatantly. He said that legal aid was not sent to Pakistan cricket team since they were never suspects but only witnesses. will the dear doctor explain howcome these witnesses had to give DNA ssamples. They were obviously suspects and still are. And PCB failed to come to their aid. Like so many times before PCB has royally screwed up. Whether it was captaincy during Champions trophy, Doping scandal, team selection for world cup it is the same story again and again. We the fans are just tired. Why does Dr. Nasim think that supportes of Pakistan cricket are so stupid. Only if they accept responcibility for all the mistakes that some improvement can occur. We can only hope and pray.

  • Ramzi on April 2, 2007, 0:49 GMT

    McGrath has got the record in lesser matches than Wasim so what is this discussion about the better bowler ?? Wasim was good, Bradman was good even Woolmer was good but that is history Kamran - remain in the present for at least the duration of this Tournament ???

  • wasim saqib on April 2, 2007, 0:36 GMT

    Wasim Akram no doubt the greatest fast bowler of his era,such gifted players are a rare breed,born once in century. He was a giant player,but as a man he was a dwarf he had a huge ego,his invovement in matchfixing, was a disgrace,he created groupings in the team, destroyed the careers of many players the biggest example is Waqar and Aqib,if he had let waqar played he would have never taken 502 wickets in ODIS,he turned the potentially golden Era of Pakistan criket into one of the darkest ones tainted by match fixing and dirty politics. He definitely could have achieved a lot more glory and victories for Pakistan but he chose personal achievments and monetary benefits,I think in this regard we cannot compare him with Glenn Mcgrath whose achievements for his team are far more greater than Wasim.

  • Wasi Ahmed on April 2, 2007, 0:23 GMT

    Mr. Abbasi, Perhaps you are right in your statment that there is no higher praise than to earn the respect of one's comtemporaries. However the question mark of those unsubstantiated allegations is what sullies everything that Wasim achieved. The fact that he was able to achieve all that he did despite being diabetic is amazing and to me Wasim Akram will remain the greatest baller of all time regardless of all the question marks. However, I do feel that Wasim was made better by Waqar and herein lies the tragedy of Pakistan cricket. To me Wasim and Waqar together were the best ever pair of fast bowlers to prowl the streets of world cricket. However had it not been for the politics that inevitably get entangled into cricket in Pakistan they will have undoubtedly acieved a great deal more. What you mentioned about Waqar being the twelfth man for the 1999 world cup to me doesn't reflect an abundance of riches but the fact that Pakistan cricket is a game of politics.

    And unless the politics are removed from the game of cricket so that it is controlled only by those people who sincerely love the sport of cricket not just covet the high honor of being involved with it and worse yet to fatten their pork bellies with the hard earned financial riches that result from success in an increasingly commercial international sport then there will be nothing but doom. To me in a way cricket sadly us an accurate reflection of what has been the tragedy of the state of Pakistan since its birth. The fate of state of Pakistan has ebbed and flowed with the fates of individual leaders because of the lack of strogn institutoins built on an ideology and rooted in principles. Similarly in our cricket we have relied on the brilliance of a few men to lead us and yet discoved the real trick to success which is to build a team based on an ideaology and priciples.

    I think Inzimam tried in his own way to bring to the Pakistan cricket team this very sense of being a band of brothers. But alas he failed. To me he will always be the most sincere and most genuine captain of Pakistan cricket because he tried not to achieve just a small victory but to build a team as no one before him. He is a pioneering leader to me in that respect and he deserves our respect for trying.

  • Haseeb Ahmed on April 2, 2007, 0:18 GMT

    Excellent article Kamran. Imagine then what Wasim might have achieved without "diabetes and the crazy politics of Pakistan cricket." And the same question may be asked of Waqar.

  • Ashaq on April 2, 2007, 0:16 GMT

    Glenn Mcgrath has been a brilliantly consistent performer.He is worthy of all the accolades that are bestowed on him.

    However Wasim Akram as a performer stands head and shoulders above Mcgrath. Wasim was one off a kind .Class,Charisma, Colourful the brother new how to set the house on fire.

    As for KHANSAHAB my brother you seem to be like Inspector Clouseau bungling from one mishap into the next.

    First off all you engaged in a disagreement with the CalgaryHighlander.Then you decided to bring Javed.a.Khan. in to the mix. Following a retort from Javed Bhai. You decided to bring me into the mix.

    Well KHANSAHAB let me share a piece off advice that I received from my Amateur Boxing Coach when I was 13 years old. He said" If you dug yourself in to a hole lad,and you cant stop yourself from digging. Break that damn SHOVEL".

    Now as for the rest off your comments i.e. Ashaq or Ashiq well my brother.When I arrived in the u.k. at the age off 3 some 30years ago.With my Mother and siblings to join my Father who was already settled here. The name had been spelled as Ashaq on the Passport it has remained as such since.

    AS for Javed.A.Khan. sahibs Pay+do joke concerning my name I thought it was pretty hilarious and witty. Whilst i may engage in disagreements with Javed.A.Khan. I certainly dont have any malice towards him. Infact Javed Sahib reminds me off a favourite teacher I had in School. Hell thats a story in itself.

    Well KHANSAHAB as for the rest off your comments about creating clique of Educated individuals.On this Blog.

    Well my Brother I have no law degree,or Medical degree or Financial degree. I am from the streets of the Innercity .Majority of the guys I grew up with are in Prison on drugs or dead. But hell I believe I am as entitled to express my opinion as much as anyone else on this Blog. I did not think having a P.H.D was a prerequisite in posting comments. Indeed I think it is a brilliant thing that you can have individuals off such diverse backgrounds exchanging opinions on Kamran Abbasis Blog.Thats what makes PakSpin Rock.

  • Basbo on April 2, 2007, 0:05 GMT

    i agree!!!..... Amazing bowler,without any doubt

  • James Bond on April 1, 2007, 23:56 GMT

    Wasim is indeed the best bowler of this generation and perhaps the best left arm bowler cricket has seen in a very very long time. Not only was he a master of ball control, both directions and both in the air and off the wicket, but he was also a master of out-thinking the batsmen. The way he used to set up his victims is something the monotony of glenn mcgrath can never compare against. He made cricket glamorous to watch and exciting to follow. I have never seen anyone bowl a better first over than wasim akram. Mcgrath might have deserved the record for his consistency but I can't think of any of his 50+ wickets in WC as sheer brilliance .. but maybe I'm a fan of fast and prodigious swing bowling and cannot fully appreciate the power of immaculate line and length.

  • Muhammad Farhan on April 1, 2007, 23:54 GMT

    The thing which makes Wasim Akram ahead of Mc Grath is that Wasim Akram played for the most unpredictable team Pakistan. Wasim Akram got all the wickets infact most of them single handedly as you know Pakis are not much in fielding whereas Mc Grath plays with a team like Australia having the highest standards of fielding in world cricket. Furthermore Wasim is also well known for his famous variations, he had the ability to deliver six different varieties in six balls and also the reverse swing which Mc Grath lacks. The final point supporting my point of view is that in the early 90s when Wasim started as an established bowler batsman didnt throw wickets as the ODI was not that fast as now. Those ODIs were more similar than test matches and the batsman hardly played risky strokes and lose wickets. Now a days ODI is very fast and even low profile bowlers can take 5 wickets easily. There is no doubt that Mc Grath is a great bowler but according to me and my cricket knowledge Wasim Akram is far more superior than Mc Grath.

  • Saurabh Kumar on April 1, 2007, 23:43 GMT

    One should acknowledge sachin along with lara when ever you talk about the greatest batsman of the era.

  • Craig Warnes on April 1, 2007, 23:37 GMT

    Rightly so. Wasim was simply awesome. As a fast bowler myself I was amazed by his shortened run up and the pace he produced from it. Not only was there pace, there was swing and variation. His bouncer was rarely poorly directed and more importantly, came from nowhere; few batsmen saw it coming.

    Coming from Australia, I was a bit of an oddity as my bowling idols were both "overseas" players - Wasim Akram and the great Sir Richard Hadlee. I tried to model my action on Hadlee but I tried to learn all the tricks that Wasim had in his bag. Problem was, Wasim had too many; 4 or 5 slower balls for a start!

    I loved watching him bat and like our Australian team, his batting was sometimes described as arrogant. I dislike that word when describing champions - I prefer sef assured and confident. When you are the top of your game in most cases, you've earnt it. Wasim certainly did.

    McGrath's record though is phenomenal as far as World Cup games played, wickets taken, average per wicket and runs conceded per over. Let's not try to take too much away from Glenn.

    Nice article.

  • Muhammad Junaid on April 1, 2007, 22:43 GMT

    No doubt, Wasim was an ultimate gem. If you start counting his heroics, and then down the line with the bat as well (e.g. a test series in Sri Lanka)he proves to be much better. The problems that encireld him in 1990s and the response he gave is not a taks for any Mc Grath, who thrived in very good and congenial environment of Aussie cricket. WASIM is the Man!

  • Akhlaq Hanif on April 1, 2007, 22:43 GMT

    The sight of Wasim Akram celebrating the wicket of Allan Lamb will remain in my mind forever. It was that moment that Akram became my favourite cricket idol. Im sure Akram sees it as an honour for people to call him the greatest of his generation. One thing that Akram had, that McGrath doesnt, is that likeable personality, that won the hearts and minds of his fellow team mates. He guided Pakistan to the World Cup victory in '92, took them to the final in '99 but deservedly lost to the Australians, also guiding Lancashire to successes. Also, Akram was the mastermind behind reverse swing, shamefully, the British media pounced on Wasim/Waqar for reverse swing, yet they jumped for joy when the same reverse swing won them the Ashes in 2005.

    Wasim Akram, will remain a cricketing legend. His record simply speaks for itself.

  • Chacha Koora Kitit on April 1, 2007, 22:28 GMT

    Yes Wasim was a great! But his reputation was tarnished by the findings of the Qayyum report and his squirmishes with Waqar Younis.

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  • Chacha Koora Kitit on April 1, 2007, 22:28 GMT

    Yes Wasim was a great! But his reputation was tarnished by the findings of the Qayyum report and his squirmishes with Waqar Younis.

  • Akhlaq Hanif on April 1, 2007, 22:43 GMT

    The sight of Wasim Akram celebrating the wicket of Allan Lamb will remain in my mind forever. It was that moment that Akram became my favourite cricket idol. Im sure Akram sees it as an honour for people to call him the greatest of his generation. One thing that Akram had, that McGrath doesnt, is that likeable personality, that won the hearts and minds of his fellow team mates. He guided Pakistan to the World Cup victory in '92, took them to the final in '99 but deservedly lost to the Australians, also guiding Lancashire to successes. Also, Akram was the mastermind behind reverse swing, shamefully, the British media pounced on Wasim/Waqar for reverse swing, yet they jumped for joy when the same reverse swing won them the Ashes in 2005.

    Wasim Akram, will remain a cricketing legend. His record simply speaks for itself.

  • Muhammad Junaid on April 1, 2007, 22:43 GMT

    No doubt, Wasim was an ultimate gem. If you start counting his heroics, and then down the line with the bat as well (e.g. a test series in Sri Lanka)he proves to be much better. The problems that encireld him in 1990s and the response he gave is not a taks for any Mc Grath, who thrived in very good and congenial environment of Aussie cricket. WASIM is the Man!

  • Craig Warnes on April 1, 2007, 23:37 GMT

    Rightly so. Wasim was simply awesome. As a fast bowler myself I was amazed by his shortened run up and the pace he produced from it. Not only was there pace, there was swing and variation. His bouncer was rarely poorly directed and more importantly, came from nowhere; few batsmen saw it coming.

    Coming from Australia, I was a bit of an oddity as my bowling idols were both "overseas" players - Wasim Akram and the great Sir Richard Hadlee. I tried to model my action on Hadlee but I tried to learn all the tricks that Wasim had in his bag. Problem was, Wasim had too many; 4 or 5 slower balls for a start!

    I loved watching him bat and like our Australian team, his batting was sometimes described as arrogant. I dislike that word when describing champions - I prefer sef assured and confident. When you are the top of your game in most cases, you've earnt it. Wasim certainly did.

    McGrath's record though is phenomenal as far as World Cup games played, wickets taken, average per wicket and runs conceded per over. Let's not try to take too much away from Glenn.

    Nice article.

  • Saurabh Kumar on April 1, 2007, 23:43 GMT

    One should acknowledge sachin along with lara when ever you talk about the greatest batsman of the era.

  • Muhammad Farhan on April 1, 2007, 23:54 GMT

    The thing which makes Wasim Akram ahead of Mc Grath is that Wasim Akram played for the most unpredictable team Pakistan. Wasim Akram got all the wickets infact most of them single handedly as you know Pakis are not much in fielding whereas Mc Grath plays with a team like Australia having the highest standards of fielding in world cricket. Furthermore Wasim is also well known for his famous variations, he had the ability to deliver six different varieties in six balls and also the reverse swing which Mc Grath lacks. The final point supporting my point of view is that in the early 90s when Wasim started as an established bowler batsman didnt throw wickets as the ODI was not that fast as now. Those ODIs were more similar than test matches and the batsman hardly played risky strokes and lose wickets. Now a days ODI is very fast and even low profile bowlers can take 5 wickets easily. There is no doubt that Mc Grath is a great bowler but according to me and my cricket knowledge Wasim Akram is far more superior than Mc Grath.

  • James Bond on April 1, 2007, 23:56 GMT

    Wasim is indeed the best bowler of this generation and perhaps the best left arm bowler cricket has seen in a very very long time. Not only was he a master of ball control, both directions and both in the air and off the wicket, but he was also a master of out-thinking the batsmen. The way he used to set up his victims is something the monotony of glenn mcgrath can never compare against. He made cricket glamorous to watch and exciting to follow. I have never seen anyone bowl a better first over than wasim akram. Mcgrath might have deserved the record for his consistency but I can't think of any of his 50+ wickets in WC as sheer brilliance .. but maybe I'm a fan of fast and prodigious swing bowling and cannot fully appreciate the power of immaculate line and length.

  • Basbo on April 2, 2007, 0:05 GMT

    i agree!!!..... Amazing bowler,without any doubt

  • Ashaq on April 2, 2007, 0:16 GMT

    Glenn Mcgrath has been a brilliantly consistent performer.He is worthy of all the accolades that are bestowed on him.

    However Wasim Akram as a performer stands head and shoulders above Mcgrath. Wasim was one off a kind .Class,Charisma, Colourful the brother new how to set the house on fire.

    As for KHANSAHAB my brother you seem to be like Inspector Clouseau bungling from one mishap into the next.

    First off all you engaged in a disagreement with the CalgaryHighlander.Then you decided to bring Javed.a.Khan. in to the mix. Following a retort from Javed Bhai. You decided to bring me into the mix.

    Well KHANSAHAB let me share a piece off advice that I received from my Amateur Boxing Coach when I was 13 years old. He said" If you dug yourself in to a hole lad,and you cant stop yourself from digging. Break that damn SHOVEL".

    Now as for the rest off your comments i.e. Ashaq or Ashiq well my brother.When I arrived in the u.k. at the age off 3 some 30years ago.With my Mother and siblings to join my Father who was already settled here. The name had been spelled as Ashaq on the Passport it has remained as such since.

    AS for Javed.A.Khan. sahibs Pay+do joke concerning my name I thought it was pretty hilarious and witty. Whilst i may engage in disagreements with Javed.A.Khan. I certainly dont have any malice towards him. Infact Javed Sahib reminds me off a favourite teacher I had in School. Hell thats a story in itself.

    Well KHANSAHAB as for the rest off your comments about creating clique of Educated individuals.On this Blog.

    Well my Brother I have no law degree,or Medical degree or Financial degree. I am from the streets of the Innercity .Majority of the guys I grew up with are in Prison on drugs or dead. But hell I believe I am as entitled to express my opinion as much as anyone else on this Blog. I did not think having a P.H.D was a prerequisite in posting comments. Indeed I think it is a brilliant thing that you can have individuals off such diverse backgrounds exchanging opinions on Kamran Abbasis Blog.Thats what makes PakSpin Rock.

  • Haseeb Ahmed on April 2, 2007, 0:18 GMT

    Excellent article Kamran. Imagine then what Wasim might have achieved without "diabetes and the crazy politics of Pakistan cricket." And the same question may be asked of Waqar.