New age May 28, 2007

This team needs a coach

Pakistan have an ideal opportunity to appoint somebody who can nurture the talent available and work in partnership with the captain
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The question is simple to put but hard to answer: Does the Pakistan cricket team need a coach? Ramiz Raja and Shahid Afridi, an unusual alliance, believe not. Pakistan can do just as well without. Once you are an international cricketer what coaching do you require?

When Pakistan won the World Cup in 1992, Imran's Tigers had the benefit of coach Intikhab Alam. Seven years later, when Wasim Akram lead Pakistan to another World Cup final, Mushtaq Mohammad, another legspinner, was in charge of fielding practice. Yet it isn't clear what either of those two coaches added? Imran and Wasim were all dominant.

Since then Pakistan tried a low-key international coach (Richard Pybus), a low-key home coach (Mudassar Nazar), a high-profile home coach (Javed Miandad), and a high-profile international coach (Bob Woolmer). On objective measures of success, Woolmer was the most successful helping Pakistan gain high positions in the Test and One-day rankings, although the last year of his charge was a disaster. Even Woolmer's malleable personality found obstacles within the team, a problem that Javed Miandad--who I once imagined would be the ideal coach for Pakistan--nurtured all too easily.

Which brings us back to the debate of the moment. You might make the case that an experienced captain with an experienced team could do without a coach, or tolerate one in the supportive role that Intikhab and Mushtaq played.

But this Pakistan team is full of players with plenty of learning to do. Pakistan's domestic cricket delivers raw talent not the finely-honed final product. Indeed many of the players' techniques require work and it isn't clear that they have the capacity to be self-motivated learners or even appreciate good advice when it looks them in the mouth. Woolmer became increasingly frustrated with the inability of this crop of players to improve through experience and advice.

So not only do Pakistan require a coach--or a team of coaches--but the players need to open up their minds and be willing to learn from others. With fewer big name stars to interfere and block the role of the coach, a situation that both Miandad and Woolmer encountered to some degree, Pakistan have an ideal opportunity to appoint somebody who can nurture the talent available and work in partnership with the captain.

In many ways, with few megastars to rub up the wrong way, the time for Woolmer or Miandad in their differing styles was now. Dav Whatmore, a proven team-builder with vast international coaching experience, could have been a sensible choice if a foreign coach was required. But the early chatter about Aaqib Javed has given way to whispers about Tim Boon, a good English coach with unproven international credentials.

The easy decision is that Pakistan require a coach. The harder one is working out who that should be in a country that has a poor tradition of working constructively with coaches. More importantly still, Ramiz Raja and Shahid Afridi will be proven right if the players are unable or unwilling to learn - and that is the biggest challenge Shoaib Malik and his new coach will now face.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • OriellBlagree on August 17, 2008, 5:05 GMT

    I'm new here, just wanted to say hello and introduce myself.

  • Anonymous on June 19, 2007, 20:30 GMT

    How was Woolmer the most successful coach...Pak did not win a single series outside the subcontinent under his tenure, infact the only series Pak won abroad was in Sri Lanka. In total Pakistan lost three series, drew three and won three. On the other hand under Miandad, Pakistani won three, one of which was against the South Africa, a Pakistan first and the only loss came against the Indians. Therefore, miandand not Woolmer was the most successful coach based on results. I fail to comprehend why there is so much dislike of Miandad amongst pakistani fans...maybe it has to do with him being from Karachi.

  • Religious Figure Required. on June 17, 2007, 15:19 GMT

    Pakistan Cricket needs a Religious figure to be their next head coach!

    remember 92 world cup where most of the team was extremely religious prayed 5 times a day led by Imran Khan, there were rumors that he even led a prayer in an airport.

    that is why they won the world cup.

  • ryan on June 13, 2007, 14:51 GMT

    Pakistan team is always full of raw natural talents. If a good coach could unite and improve them, they would become a very good side.

  • Sankar,K on June 13, 2007, 5:14 GMT

    Get a good coach, then you will see one the best cricket team played for ever, you have one of the best pool of quick bowlers, use resources to the full because bowlers wins matches, even australians may be behind you in this strenght. So please form a good setup, because we all love pacers winning matches.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 5, 2007, 23:50 GMT

    EAMIRAN: "Provoke any thoughts now?"

    I think you are talking about Shoaib Akhtar right? Because, myself I am such an akhroat that I cannot understand black humour. And your contempt and disdain is a kinda scorn or a state of being despised by a better species for no reason and, you consider them as worthless and call average, its your perception and your prerogative! I wonder whom you are comparing them with? A Pakistani with an Australian or an Earthling with a Martian? Whether he preens and prims or even plume in front of the camera, does that make you feel any inferior? If the likes of Govinda, Ajay Devgun and whoever else consider themselves as handsome and robust in front of the camera, then whats wrong if a better looking species is displaying his charisma and good looks on TV? :-)

  • EAMIRAN on June 5, 2007, 2:42 GMT

    Javed A. Khan

    My comments regarding Rameez and Afridi weren't meant to be HA! HA! funny. Au contraire, it was an attempt at black humour (apparently not good enough for some). It was meant to convey my complete and utter contempt and disdain for average players who refuse to learn from their mistakes and then preen and primp themselves for the camera like movie stars. Sounds familiar? Provoke any thoughts now?

  • Dawar, LA USA on June 4, 2007, 16:59 GMT

    Once again Pakistan Cricket Board is thinking to hire foreign coach for the Pakistan cricket team but most of our cricket players are incapable of properly speaking or understand English.

    This is nothing to be ashamed of since it is not our mother tongue. But the question is how will the foreign coaches coach the team when they cannot not express what they want to say. Has anyone in the board thought about this?

    This is one of the reason we were failed under Bob Woolmer and lost against Ireland. One of the worst defeat in the cricket history. Most of famous Pakistani cricketers not in the favour of PCB to hire foreign coach.

    Only Wasim Akram support to hire forign coach. Pl note: Per justice Qayyum report Wasim Akram is not qualified for any position at PCB. So he knows well he can not be the coach of Pakistan cricket team.

    Dawar LA, USA

  • WASIM SAQIB on June 4, 2007, 5:27 GMT

    The government of Jamaica should revoke the medical licence of that Indian Doctor who did the first autopsy On Bob woolmer,PCB should sue that doctor,only on the basis of his report the whole murder theory evolved,its a shame for all the Indians all over the world the way their media exploited the issue and tried to malign Pakistan Cricket team.DOOB MARNEY KA MUQAM HEY INDIA KEY LIYE.

  • M. Nawaz Janjua, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on June 4, 2007, 5:10 GMT

    ASSALAMO ALAIKUM,

    I think the team should have a coach whether foreign or local. Sometimes, the situation is such that you the tema needs somebody to take up the matter and make the difference. Otherwise, you can have as many trainers required.

    Mr. Kamran, please one thing I would like to remind that the names should be mentioned completely I mean e.g. Inzamam-ul-Haq, you cannot say "Ul-Haq" for it is one of the adjectives of Allah. "Ul" means "The" which is only used when you are mentioning a quality of Allah. You may say "Haq" for INZAMAM but not "Ul Haq". I hope I am clear in that.

    ALLAH HAFIZ & WASSALAM

  • OriellBlagree on August 17, 2008, 5:05 GMT

    I'm new here, just wanted to say hello and introduce myself.

  • Anonymous on June 19, 2007, 20:30 GMT

    How was Woolmer the most successful coach...Pak did not win a single series outside the subcontinent under his tenure, infact the only series Pak won abroad was in Sri Lanka. In total Pakistan lost three series, drew three and won three. On the other hand under Miandad, Pakistani won three, one of which was against the South Africa, a Pakistan first and the only loss came against the Indians. Therefore, miandand not Woolmer was the most successful coach based on results. I fail to comprehend why there is so much dislike of Miandad amongst pakistani fans...maybe it has to do with him being from Karachi.

  • Religious Figure Required. on June 17, 2007, 15:19 GMT

    Pakistan Cricket needs a Religious figure to be their next head coach!

    remember 92 world cup where most of the team was extremely religious prayed 5 times a day led by Imran Khan, there were rumors that he even led a prayer in an airport.

    that is why they won the world cup.

  • ryan on June 13, 2007, 14:51 GMT

    Pakistan team is always full of raw natural talents. If a good coach could unite and improve them, they would become a very good side.

  • Sankar,K on June 13, 2007, 5:14 GMT

    Get a good coach, then you will see one the best cricket team played for ever, you have one of the best pool of quick bowlers, use resources to the full because bowlers wins matches, even australians may be behind you in this strenght. So please form a good setup, because we all love pacers winning matches.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 5, 2007, 23:50 GMT

    EAMIRAN: "Provoke any thoughts now?"

    I think you are talking about Shoaib Akhtar right? Because, myself I am such an akhroat that I cannot understand black humour. And your contempt and disdain is a kinda scorn or a state of being despised by a better species for no reason and, you consider them as worthless and call average, its your perception and your prerogative! I wonder whom you are comparing them with? A Pakistani with an Australian or an Earthling with a Martian? Whether he preens and prims or even plume in front of the camera, does that make you feel any inferior? If the likes of Govinda, Ajay Devgun and whoever else consider themselves as handsome and robust in front of the camera, then whats wrong if a better looking species is displaying his charisma and good looks on TV? :-)

  • EAMIRAN on June 5, 2007, 2:42 GMT

    Javed A. Khan

    My comments regarding Rameez and Afridi weren't meant to be HA! HA! funny. Au contraire, it was an attempt at black humour (apparently not good enough for some). It was meant to convey my complete and utter contempt and disdain for average players who refuse to learn from their mistakes and then preen and primp themselves for the camera like movie stars. Sounds familiar? Provoke any thoughts now?

  • Dawar, LA USA on June 4, 2007, 16:59 GMT

    Once again Pakistan Cricket Board is thinking to hire foreign coach for the Pakistan cricket team but most of our cricket players are incapable of properly speaking or understand English.

    This is nothing to be ashamed of since it is not our mother tongue. But the question is how will the foreign coaches coach the team when they cannot not express what they want to say. Has anyone in the board thought about this?

    This is one of the reason we were failed under Bob Woolmer and lost against Ireland. One of the worst defeat in the cricket history. Most of famous Pakistani cricketers not in the favour of PCB to hire foreign coach.

    Only Wasim Akram support to hire forign coach. Pl note: Per justice Qayyum report Wasim Akram is not qualified for any position at PCB. So he knows well he can not be the coach of Pakistan cricket team.

    Dawar LA, USA

  • WASIM SAQIB on June 4, 2007, 5:27 GMT

    The government of Jamaica should revoke the medical licence of that Indian Doctor who did the first autopsy On Bob woolmer,PCB should sue that doctor,only on the basis of his report the whole murder theory evolved,its a shame for all the Indians all over the world the way their media exploited the issue and tried to malign Pakistan Cricket team.DOOB MARNEY KA MUQAM HEY INDIA KEY LIYE.

  • M. Nawaz Janjua, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on June 4, 2007, 5:10 GMT

    ASSALAMO ALAIKUM,

    I think the team should have a coach whether foreign or local. Sometimes, the situation is such that you the tema needs somebody to take up the matter and make the difference. Otherwise, you can have as many trainers required.

    Mr. Kamran, please one thing I would like to remind that the names should be mentioned completely I mean e.g. Inzamam-ul-Haq, you cannot say "Ul-Haq" for it is one of the adjectives of Allah. "Ul" means "The" which is only used when you are mentioning a quality of Allah. You may say "Haq" for INZAMAM but not "Ul Haq". I hope I am clear in that.

    ALLAH HAFIZ & WASSALAM

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 4, 2007, 1:14 GMT

    Mukarrum iqbal says: "the question is does any coach need Pakistan. From the recent scandals i fail to understand how many coaches would want to coach our national side." mukurrum iqbal, money speaks and, it speaks louder than any loudspeaker. There are already 13 short listed candidates who have applied for the job of a coach and God knows actually how many had applied in total for that post. And what scandal are you talking about? Bob Woolmer's? That is over now and those who created that scandal are going to pay a price for it. That Indian Pathologist Ere Sheeshaiah must be on dope after a Sheesha session with Mark Shields to create that scandal. The only thing that was missing in that witch hunt was a lady clairvoyance, otherwise they both did everything possible to make it look like a flop mystery movie..... which crashed b4 a take off.

    And EAMIRAN, I shall not be discussing anything more on this thread about Shahid Afridi's performance, because, I have already said and quoted a lot, it seems like an unending debate 'coz neither one of us would be able to convince each other. Besides, this thread is about a coach and your view about a coach and making fun of Afridi and Ramiz Raja is neither funny, nor thought provoking. I think, Hasan at June 3, 2007 12:18 PM has already answered that question with a quote from Paul Bryant, American Football Coach that: " "No coach has ever won a game by what he knows; it's what his players know that counts." The need for a foreign coach has been exaggerated by the media and its kinda fad. I agree that Shahid Afridi is an Akhroat and so was Imran Khan an Akhroat because, he never bothered to ask the PCB for any coach and won the 1992 WC for Pakistan. Whenever he was asked about the need of a coach, he has always emphasized his point by saying, if at all the team needs a coach, he should be a local coach and not a foreign coach.

    Regarding the "Camp Akram" that ended, you can see already there are so many voices against it, because that camp wasn't simply a joke but, A BIG JOKE. That kinda camp sessions are OK for secondary school coaching. Its just like Jonty Rhodes giving a two week fielding stint and making Inzi, Yousuf, Kaneria and Razzaq world class athletes and sprinters. You think Wasim Akram must have enhanced the bowling skills and abilities of Shoaib Akhtar, Umar Gul, Asif and Sami in those two days they were there with him? Wasim Akram is only trying to get pally with Nasim Ashraf and get something outta nothing. Only Wasim Saqib was able to translate his thoughts and read the mind of Wasim Akram by saying: "Wasim Akram last week floated the Idea of a fast bowling fund,It was just a raw idea in his mind,maybe he just wanted PCB to start a Fast bowling academy.....

    There are two ways to go about it: Be professional and ask for money, its a job and you have the right to ask for money 'coz, there is no such thing as free lunch OR just do it as a service for the country and that no one will do. There is no third thing. So, don't go beating around the bush by asking to create a fund or a woteva! Wasim Akram was involved in controversies since Imran Khan retired. During the 1996 WC semi-final at Bangalore, he pulled out at the last moment with a chest muscle injury. In the 1999 WC too there was a big scandal when they lost to Bangladesh and even worse in 2003 when they all were sacked by court orders. At home, on PTV he used to appear on non-smoking ads for which he took money, whereas in reality he is a smoker. At one of the county championship matches in the UK, he was caught smoking by a TV camera. This is hypocrisy and double standards. I have a lot of respect for him as a bowler he was great, but whenever he is talking, you can see there is always something more than meets the eye!

    The only reason he came to this so-called camp is because he has been hugely criticized by the local media for coaching Indian players only to get contracts from Indian media companies and he succeeded in it. Imran Khan's policy is at least straight forward, he doesn't want to involve himself at this level and his political goals and ambitions are different and very clear to everyone. Waqar Younus is also straight forward in asking for a full time job but, with respect. So, is Javed Miandad's interest in coaching, despite the fact that he has a passion for cricket, he wants respect and also wants to negotiate his package. There is nothing wrong in demanding money for the job and in negotiating your contract. After all the PCB has been paying to all these foreign coaches and have been paying them big fat salaries and perks. Its just like paying for the designer tag. During the camp in Lahore, all those players who came from outstations had to pay for their airfare, arrange for their own boarding and lodging and transport. The PCB paid them nothing, and their central contracts have been terminated from the day they returned from the Caribbean. If you Nasim Ashraf cannot treat his own players right, then he shouldn't talk all this BS and pep talk about how much he loves cricket and his players and looking for a baseball coach to improve fielding and blady blah.

    Nasim Ashraf's pep talk about offering the players new central contracts which will be 5 times higher than the old ones is nothing but a lip service. Its just like the Billions of dollars of American Aid to Pakistan, which is announced to create a humanitarian hoopla and in reality that aid never comes and even if it comes, it comes in bits and pieces and with so many strings attached to it, lets not discuss the details of that, but the PCB should take care of their players first rather than worrying so much about a foreign coach and his package. India has announced that they will cut the retainer fees to players from Rs.50 lakhs to Rs.5 lakhs !! Nasim Ashraf has got a good reason to fall back on his words and he won't disappoint us and the players. But, he will not curtail his foreign trips on the PCB accounts.

  • Dawar on June 3, 2007, 23:19 GMT

    Bob Woolmer was not physically murdered. But it was murdered by Pakistan defeat against Ireland. Whom should be blame? I think it was Pakistan cricket team perfomance.

    Worst defeat of any strong team by any weakest team in the cricket history, atleast in the cricket world cup history.

    Performace should be impeach.

    Dawar LA, USA

  • khansahab on June 3, 2007, 20:17 GMT

    One thing nice about Malik being captain is that he can be a role model to the (relative) youngsters. Players seek inspiration from the captain. Under Inzi’s captaincy, we saw a lot of laziness and unprofessionalism but I hope that scourge eradicates from this team under their young and (so far) dynamic captain. Players should raise their standards of fielding and discipline. I get the feeling Kamran Akmal and Shoaib Malik learned pressure management from Inzi, as he was a great player under pressure. That probably explains why we have seen many innings from Akmal and Malik where they have kept their cool under pressure, although Akmal has a tendency to be thin-skinned at times.

    What I found bizarre was when Malik, during a recent interview, was asked how he rates Imran Nazir. He said, “Wo Virender Sehwag se behtar player hai agar thora dimagh ka istamal karay”. I don’t understand why we need to insert ifs and buts when we compare Pakistani players with other players. Outside of Pakistan I doubt anyone else will compare Sehwag and Nazir, notwithstanding the former’s recent declining form. Sehwag has been made vice captain on merit and scored 300+ against a formidable Pakistani attack. I think it’s grossly unfair to compare his class with Nazir’s. We have many ifs and buts: Mohammad Sami being a world class bowler “if” his line is consistent; Inzamam is a better batsman than Lara or Tendulkar “when” under pressure; Razzaq is a world class player “when” in form etc. If Razzaq is such a world class player why has he been out of form for such a long time anyway? If Sami is such a great bowler why can’t he bowl accurately in every match? As regards Inzamam, most of his innings have been played under pressure because he has come out to bat when the openers have got out cheaply either because they can’t play the swinging ball or because they have played a stupid shot. Inzi has had so much experience coming out to bat in pressure situations that no wonder he became an excellent batsman under pressure, because it seems that all he ever had to do was to try to salvage the team from a disaster. So we can also use these “ifs” and “buts” in the defence of Lara and Tendulkar, whose teams have been blessed with more sensible openers and who haven’t had so much experience attempting to rescue their teams from sheer demolition.

    The answer is not to use “ifs” and “buts”. I am not saying that we should look at the matter so holistically that we only consider the batting average. If we were to employ that test, we would all come with the answer that Bradman should be everyone’s favourite batsman and also that someone like Dhoni, who averages 46, is a better player than Inzi who averages 40. But I don’t think we should narrow down our tests too much too, so that we consider circumstances like batting under pressure/heaving an impeccable record against a particular strong bowling attack/being in the top 10 batsmen only once or twice in a considerably long career etc. I think we should employ this bipartite test: 1) How consistent has the batsman been for the entire course of his career? Meaning, if upon retirement one’s average is 50, has his average been around 45-55 for all his career or has it been more like 35 one year and 65 the next? 2) How has the batsman fared IN alien pitches AGAINST the two best bowling attacks in the world of that particular time? This is a circumstantial and contingent test which will differ according to the climate of the bowling quality of teams. For example, for 70s and most of 80s we could check how one’s average was against West Indies and Australia. For a contemporary player the test is how he has fared against South Africa (Donald/Pollock/Ntini/Kallis) and Australia (McGrath/Gillespie/Fleming/Lee/Warne).

    For me the great batsmen are those who have excelled at these two conditions. Some players are inherently great like Lara and Tendulkar. Despite Tendulkar’s poor recent form, he still scores heavily against minnows (and occasionally has scored against good sides too in the recent past) and averages 55 in Tests. Mind you, my favourite player in the Indian team is Dravid, not Tendulkar and I am no fan of the latter. But when I talk about fairness instead of personal choice, I have to consider the matter objectively.

    Of course when we talk about Wasim and Waqar, it is a different situation altogether and we have to give them credit for being class bowlers from a country where most pitches offer little to fast bowlers.

  • Ali Asim - Saginaw, Michigan USA on June 3, 2007, 17:26 GMT

    Someone truely said that a Pakistani prisoners camp in hell wouldnt need a guard, as we all know how talented we are in pulling legs of our own people. By reading most comments in this blog strengthened that view even more. What is wrong with you people? You guys are ready to tore eachother apart. Typical desi approach. And I said "typical" because thats what I see everywhere I see desi's in action. Cant you guys get along EVER? Constructive arguments are fine by me, but personal attacks and using obscene words in the process is just plain pathetic. And Miss Saima, you said that you're enjoying this circuss right? Well I would suggest that you should stay at IRC and MSN chatting for that purpose as you'll get much more entertainment there. This blog is for cricket frenzy and every argument and comment should be in regard to only and only cricket. "doosron pe keechar uchalo ge to cheetain apney daman par bhi ayengi"

    Grow up and wise up people.

  • Ali Asim - Saginaw, Michigan USA on June 3, 2007, 16:23 GMT

    A little off topic, but I was wondering that Pakistan and all other cricket playing countries should file a law suit against the department of jamaican police and specially against their so-called pathologist and deputy commissioner Mark Shields for jeportising the most prestigious event in cricketing world by making deliberate, dolt and sensational claims towards late Woolmer's murder. These incompetent thugs should be brought to justice for their henious acts and for fooling the whole world for so long. They should be punnished for holding our already stressed out players hostage in jamaica for their false and deliberate attempt towards cheap fame.

  • Hasan on June 3, 2007, 12:18 GMT

    "No coach has ever won a game by what he knows; it's what his players know that counts." Paul Bryant, American Football Coach

  • mukarrum iqbal on June 3, 2007, 10:09 GMT

    rmances may go downhill. The ex Bangladesh captain Habibul Bashar i feel had talent and i think he wud have done much better if only he did not have the responsability of captaincy. have minor errors, whether it be salman butt's slightly erratic driving or whether it be umar gul's length problem. I'm sure the player themsleves will be the first to admit they have this problem however admitting to the problem is only the first step. The second step, if one wants to develop into an elite cricketer, is rectifying your game to enhance your performances. The question then is, how to rectify ones errors? That comes with 3 crucial factors, advice, heeding the advice and most importantly putting the advice into practise. A cricketer has many things to think about after all its his job he has to do well. Those other factors may cause him not to concentrate when out their on the pitch. This lack of concentration would cause them not to remember what advice they have been given. This is one of the reasons Pakistan need a coach, for those players to be constatnly reminded where they go wrong. Previously i mentioned advice, arugably more experienced capaigners could give you advice, although they have their own game to be concerned with, so then coaches come into play. I can't see any actual disadvantage of keeping a coach to a national side. I only play at club level however the advice one recieves from a coach can be immensely beneficial for my performances. So for these reasons i think Pakistan need a coach.

    Then the matter of who is to coach the national side becomes important. I don't really know who i think the coach should be, although i hope he is not a push over. Although that won't be too much of a problem now that 'the dictator' has gone. A innovative coach is essential. In recent years (last 4 or 5) Pakistan tactice have been medioke and very 1 dimensional. We've never seen that spark of briliance, something like what England managed to pull off during the 2005 Ashes. I think Malik will aslo help this, he is an open minded brother and i hope very much that he keeps control of pakistan. The one thing that i fear is that his own performances may go downhill. The ex Bangladesh captain Habibul Bashar i feel had talent and i think he wud have done much better if only he did not have the responsability of captaincy. Although Malik is young, age is on his side. The great thing about him is that he's optimistic or appears to be so and this with a good coach could lead Pakitsn to achieve much bigger and better things. We only have to look as far as Buchanan, fair to say he's had his problems with some Australian players but the impact he's had on Australia has been incredible. Many imagined when some old faces left, Australia would go downhill however he braught in new faces that are now instrumental in Australia's ODI and Test team.

    The thing is that i think player's have too much to think about, you can't have your players go in between all of their own games to search for new talent. Their has to be coaches that have been given that job to perform the task of recruiting new talent. Though many of the Pakistan player's can be very stubborn, they have to want to take advice. If i remember correctly it was Woolmer who braught Afridi back into the team, it's a shame how now it is Afridi who doesnt want the benefits of a coach. Without Bob i find it very hard to believe Afridi would still be playing for Pakistan in ODI's let alone test. Bob moulded him into not only a fairly good batsmen but into a very handy leg spin bowler.

    The question is not, do Pakistan need a coach? the question is does any coach need Pakistan. From the recent scandals i fail to understand how many coaches would want to coach our national side.

    if we do get a coach i wouldn't mind seeing the Bangladesh coach, the progress he achieve with Bangladesh was penomenal, in my personal opinion they are now a more than capable ODI unit and with practise and experience i fail to see how they will not also become a formiddable test team in years to come. It;s sad to see him leave Bangladesh however Pakistan could really do with someone with Whatmore's expertise.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 2, 2007, 18:24 GMT

    Bob Woolmer Saga Comes to an End

    Further to my earlier post on Woolmer's death, I wrote in a jiffy that it must be a kinda relief for Pakistanis. But the more I think about this whole saga, the more bad I feel. Especially the way the whole Pakistan team was treated with suspicion and a few players were targeted as prime suspects and the Jamaican Police even took their finger prints, delayed the team departure and also intimidated them in their own humble way that: "in case we need more information, we will call you to the Caribbean for further interrogation."

    Kamran Abbassi; the PCB will not protest, BUT YOU must write a thread on this subject and let all of us show our remorse and protest towards this "dramay baazi and dhandli baazi," which in my opinion was designed to humiliate Pakistan and their players. Why didn't the police ask everyone who was staying in that hotel to give their finger prints? Why only the Pakistanis? Every day there was a new story was created and published, from strangulation to acconite poisoning, snake poisoning, may be IV injection or, by mixing poison in his Champagne and Mushy was the bootlegger? Involvement of Indian bookies and seeing two suspicious Pakistani ghosts on CTV etc. Also, Moulvi Mushy's fractured nose was twisted and turned to see if there are any Woolmer finger prints on it? And every single hair of Inzamam's beard was counted and taken for DNA sampling and testing.

    Now, after creating such a mockery of the situation a "My Baap Pathologist" flew from the UK to Jamaica to probe in to his mysterious death and finally came up with a report saying, he died of natural causes! And it is also expected that the Jamaican Police will soon announce that, "Woolmer died of natural causes, brought on by chronic ill-health and possibly diabetes." What a shame they couldn't diagnose it earlier? Also, Gill Woolmer's emotions were toyed by the media and she was made to believe that the evil people from the evil country must have killed her humble husband who was there to coach them. No, one believed when the big humble giant Inzamam cried in front of the world on the TV and kept saying Bob was like a father figure to me. But, Inzi was a suspect then!

    By the grace of Almighty the Pakistan team has always come out clean from the controversies starting from; W&W reverse swing jealousies and calling them cheats to, Inzi and Hair ball tampering and match forfeiting incident to, Asif & Shoaib's drug scandal (which is still dangling like a dagger) and finally clearing the mysterious death of Bob Woolmer as a natural death!

    Despite all these accusations and negative charges the Pakistan team is currently ranked at number 4 in the ICC rankings. Among the top nine teams from the ICC cricket playing nations, Pakistan plays the least number of ODI matches (39) An interesting point to note here is, on so many occasions their strike bowlers or their best players have not been in the side and yet they have managed to retain the number four spot in the ICC world rankings. In my opinion it is a very good achievement. The team that has played the highest number of matches is Sri Lanka (56) followed by Australia (54) and India (52). Even a country like Bangladesh has played more ODI matches (44) than Pakistan.

    Pakistan's over all record against India and Sri Lanka has been very good. Sri Lanka, as we all know is a very formidable ODI team and this year's finalist at the WC and 1996 WC winners. Since 2003 WC, Pakistan's record against Sri Lanka at home and abroad, with and without Muralitharan or Shoaib Akhtar has been very good. Pakistan's wins against SL in terms of percentage is 69.23% or the winning ratio is 2.25:1 Only Australia's record against SL is marginally better than Pakistan's. I have a feeling that if Pakistan plays more matches especially against teams like Bangladesh, Zimbabwe or Netherlands their ranking will improve further because, India's ranking number six is due to the number of wins against the minnows.

    Another interesting point to be noted is, most countries who have created world records (both individual and team records) are against the minnows. For example, Mathew Hayden's 380 in test when he broke Brian Lara's 375 was against Zimbabwe. Mark Boucher's 44 ball 100 i.e., second fastest 100 in ODI is against Zimbabwe. Brian Lara's 45 ball 100 which is third fastest 100 is against Bangladesh. Andy Gibbs 6x6 or 36 in one over is against unrecognized team Netherlands. World's highest ODI total 443 by Sri Lanka is against Netherlands. So, they all score against the minnows. Now look at Pakistan's record.

    In ODI matches, Saeed Anwar's 194 is still the highest individual total in ODI, is against India. Wasim Akram still holds the world record of most wickets (502) and Shahid Afridi's 37 balls 100 is against Sri Lanka i.e., immediately after Sri Lanka became the 1996 world cup winners, so they were not minnows then. His 45 ball 100 against India. And India is neither Zimbabwe nor Bangladesh, in fact this 45 ball 100 is better than his 37/100. His 32 runs in one over is against Sri Lanka and not Netherlands and, this happened just last month i.e., Sri Lanka are 2007 WC finalists. The highest number of sixes in one innings is Shahid Afridi's 11 against Sri Lanka. Shahid Afridi's career sixes are 229 only 10 behind Jayasuriya whereas Jayasuriya has played 152 more matches than Afridi and Afridi has 8-9 years of cricketing career ahead of him, by then he might score 500 sixes. So, he will be the all time champion of sixes. khansahab pls. don't compare a real pathan with a jaali pathan. And Afridi haters, please have a break, have a kit-kat. :-)

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 2, 2007, 11:53 GMT

    Finally the news on BBC that Bob Woolmer was NOT murdered is a kinda big relief for the Pakistanis. Now, Steve Rixon should go and apply for the post of a forensic lab assistant in the Caribbean and should not even dream for coaching Pakistan team. All this mess was created to get personal attention and cheap popularity through the media and the man behind it is Mark Shields, who wanted to be known as Sherlock Holmes.

  • EAMIRAN on June 2, 2007, 2:51 GMT

    Javed A. Khan

    I don't think anyboby hates, or is jealous of Afridi. In general, most Pakistani's would naturally like to see Pakistan succeed, regardless of who wins the game for them. However, many people realise that Afridi is an immature, rash imbecile, who throws his wicket away more often than not, and unnecessarily puts the team under pressure. Many times when he is at bat, you know he is a walking wicket. I am sure the opposition realise it too, and gain confidence from that knowledge. To suceed our batsmen should strive to become run hungry machines, and not gift their wickets in the name of entertainment. Afridi is the antithesis of the above, and that hurts Pakistan cricket in general.

    As for his stats get your facts right. The man has played close to 250 ODI's and averages 23 and 35 with the bat and ball respectively. That record is considered mediocre in anyone's book. To be considered a great, those figures have to be swapped around. Do you honestly believe that will ever happen?

    Although he has not played many test matches, his test batting record is better (Average 37), but his bowling is still mediocre (Average 35). On closer inspection, the bulk of runs he has in test cricket have either been scored on sub-continental pitches, against India, and Sri Lanka or against a presently pathetic West Indian bowling attack. In away games, against England and Australia, his record is poor if not abysmal, proving that he cannot play on sporting wickets. The odd dashing ODI knock, in away games against strong opposition does not prove anything, as ODI wickets are generally docile in nature compared to those prepared for Test matches. Cricket is not only about biffing 4's and 6's, unless one is playing the Hong Kong 6's format. Small wonder that he is not selected in test matches when touring abroad. Without bias, I must say he is well and truly a flat track "akhroat". That, I'm afraid, is the nature of this beast.

    When Rameez "must-fix-my-hair-for-the camera-and-give-slip-practice-when-I-bat" Raja and Afridi say Pakistan does not need a coach, they are, in a perverse way, right. By and large our batsmen, including Afridi himself are uncoachable. In which case,why waste time and money hiring a coach for them. On the other hand, our bowlers, bar Sami, have benefitted from bowling coaches.

    On the positive side, I will give Afridi a thumbs up for not shying away from, and having a real go against short pitched, and swinging/seaming deliveries, even though he is hopelessly inept at playing them.

  • khansahab on June 1, 2007, 21:21 GMT

    Jamjar, I posted a comment for your and two other bloggers’ attention but it was not allowed my Mr Abbasi. So I will leave the matter at that. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Much has been said about this Nasim Ashraf interview. Sure, Shoaib Malik has had a positive start but it is too early to say that he will remain captain for the next three World Cups or that he is the answer to Pakistan’s current problems. The PCB Chairman states that the future is bright for Pakistani cricket. Corporate governance is being introduced and professionalism is being emphasised. Well, big words but let us see how it goes.

    The ICC committee has recommended some changes to the game. I think there was some talk of changing the distance for the boundaries. The rule that in ODI’s the ball must be changed after 35 overs, looks to be implemented for sure. Whatever happens I hope the game does not become any more batsman-oriented. We have seen the game becoming more batting-friendly with a view to attracting greater crowds. It might be fun for the spectators, but we also have to consider that we do not denaturise the spirit of cricket. One flaw of making the game more batsman-oriented is that it has resulted in more one-sided contests. Nowadays we see many matches where the team that bats first makes above 300 whereby the team batting second succumbs to pressure too easily (and they should as well, chasing a massive target!) and gets bowled out for 200. This makes the game slightly more boring, especially for a neutral spectator.

    Coming to Pakistan cricket, I don’t think Miandad should be offered a position again. Sure, he is very knowledgeable about the game but the masses struggle to get on with him. Maybe Inthikab Alam should be considered if a local coach is being sought. When it comes to a wicketkeeping or bowling coach, there is less doubt as there are not as many candidates. But the PCB has hinted they are looking for a foreign coach. People are not interested in coaching Pakistan after the Woolmer episode. Even if he was murdered, he still took tremendous stress at the fact that Inzi and his players did not learn and did not demonstrate fighting spirit. Whoever contemplates a coaching job in India or Pakistan will surely consider whether he can sustain the job, owing to constant media and public criticism.

    Salauddin Ahmad has stated that as regards Inzi’s future Test selection is concerned, the decision taken will be one which is in the best interests of Pakistan. He cited the example of that famous and controversial incident when Imran declared when Mianded was on 280, stating that Imran considered Pakistan’s interest above Miandad’s. I think what Salauddin was trying to spell out was that, “Inzi you should not consider playing only because you want to be the highest run-scorer for Pakistan”. I think Salauddin was sensible in his approach.

    Finally, Javed Bhai, we have discussed this before but I still think you overrate Afridi. He is improving and I don’t doubt that for a second, but even if we consider him as a bolwing all-rounder, he is still not in the league of Pollock, Flintoff, Andrew Hall etc. If we compare him with Irfan Pathan, Irfan’s bowling and batting record both are better than Afridi’s. The shocking thing is that even Razzaq’s bowling and batting statistics outshine Afridi’s. This only points towards one conclusion- Afridi is a very inconsistent player.

  • Irfan on June 1, 2007, 21:17 GMT

    Blazes! what the hell is the problem with you guys. I don't want to speculate about how many of you have ever played cricket. Judging by your comments I can tell you that very, very few of you have the experience of donning a white uniform and going out to a cricket field and play cricket on a burning Karachi afternoon. Education! language! accents! What a laugh! Some of our players will not be able to express themselves in Urdu if their life depended on it. Let alone in English. Talk about snide remarks! Has any body heard the cricket jargon used on a field during a game? Your cricket comes mainly from reading books about cricket, listening to the commentators during a match, catching an odd talk show on the TV. Some of you speak so eloquently and authoritatively about the game as if you have played it all your life. Pathetic!

    While I pretty much heard all the nay sayers making their points about the coach but can any one of you who thinks it is important to have a coach tell me what kind of technical deficiencies exist within the current group of players that the coach will be fixing whether batters or bowlers? what kind of problems cricketers inherit from street cricket? cement cricket? club cricket why some of them might be prone to be LBW, no balling! for example and what may have brought it on. Now that some of you have been blessed by foreign education spent time outside of the country going to schools and getting into your respective professions understand that to a cricketer, OK! a Pakistani cricketer! cricket is not only their profession but their passion as well and streets are where they learned it. They speak cricket, they talk cricket and they watch cricket. Later on if they are intelligent enough they will pick up the language like Miandad and do reasonably well with in their means. You think Waqar or Waseem will go back to school to hone their language skills, you think they are valued because of that. Grow up guys!

  • Amyn Habib on June 1, 2007, 19:03 GMT

    Omitted from the accolades of the batting prowess of the mighty Afridi against the Australians is the full record of his performance.

    The Champion has played 27 ODI matches against Australia and averages almost 17! And he was even able to score one 50 (no hundreds, of course) in the twenty seven matches he played!

    Now, why do people keep criticizing this awesome sportsman??

  • WASIM SAQIB on June 1, 2007, 18:47 GMT

    Nasim Ashraf in his recent interview with Osman sami-u-din gave an indication that Inzimam's career is over he completely blamed Inzimam for the WC defeat,he also stated that Younis will not be offered the job of captain in future.He has also lashed out at senator Anwar baig for criticizing him and has threatened to sue him. Its true that Inzimam was the main character to be blamed for The WC debacle but all the suspicions lead towards Mushtaq Ahmed who was appointed by the Mr Nasim Ashraf himself,PCB told Waqar that a bowling coach is not needed for ODi tour then why muhtaq was sent along with the team, Is there any journalist who can ask this question to Nasim Ashraf.Inzimam has already accepted the blame and he should not play International cricket anymore but these guys at PCB they are completely shameless.So far we have not seen the new constitution for PCB the Audit reports and the annual financial reports are not made public either in print form or over the internet,this Public instituion is being run as a private limited Company and people like Senator Anwar Baig when they criticize such policies I think they are fully justified.

    Wasim Akram last week floated the Idea of a fast bowling fund,It was just a raw idea in his mind,maybe he just wanted PCB to start a Fast bowling academy and allocate more funds towards the nurturing of fast bowlers,so far he is not charging anything for his services which is a nice gesture on his part and even if he does charge in future he has every right to do so,he is a professional like any other Gora,if he devotes his time and effort he should be rewarded. PCB should make a National Pace Academy and should hire former Fast bowlers and should assign them to different levels of players according to their experience.PCB has the funds and if not then Nasim Ashraf should cut on his foreign tours.

    Javed my comments about Afridi are a fact, From season 2005 to date he has played 35 ODIs and 15 times his score was between 0-10,12 times between 10-25,twice his score was between 25-40 and he scored onlu 3 fifties. In 35 matches 3 50's is that a great feat,you highlighted all his achievements of his career in just two lines,I dont hate him,he is a good bowler and if he scores more consistently he can become a great player and given the number of matches he has played he should have achieved this level of maturity by know.

  • Dawar, LA USA on June 1, 2007, 17:17 GMT

    Appointing coach is a big issue for both Pakistan & India. They both want foreign coaches.

    But big problem with foreign coaches are as follows: 1) They do not know our culture & values. 2) There is a communication gap btw players and the Coach. Specially now a days Pakistani cricketers are not fluent in English as past players like Waqar Younis, Asif Iqbal, Mustaq Ahmed, Imran Khan etc. 3) They are very expensive we need to pay in $$$ or pounds. 4) They do not look like us.

    Here is the Solution:

    We could have ex Indian player as a Pakistani Coach and ex Pakistani Player as an Indian Coach.

    For instead: Waqar Younis will be a coach of Indian Cricket team and Sunil Gavaskar will be a Coach of Pakistan Cricket team.

    It will not only help us to build relationship but also help our cricketers to communicate with the Coach in the language they both can understand well.

    It will also help politically to build peace bridges between two nations.

    Dawar LA, USA

  • host_of_sorrow on June 1, 2007, 14:55 GMT

    Kamran abbasi claimed that most successful coach was bob woolmer in inzamam's era,lol. I just want to ask you that do you have any shred of evidence to back up your statement that woolmer was the most successful coach( and btw i am not defending Javed here). So i want to pose some questions to Abbasi to prove that woolmer was really a successful coach.

    ok point no 1. 10). so how many tournaments did Pakistan won during his tenure? let me answer this one.because the truth is that they have never won any tournament during his stint as pakistani coach. 2) Didn't Pakistan suffer ignominious defeat through the hands of england in about 3 decades or so in England? 3) didn't they lost to Australia comprehensively in both forms of the game? (pakistan lost to Australia by 3-0,couldn't get any worst than it. could it?. 5. wasn't they were trounced by south africans in both tests and odis? 6.they levelled the test series in carribean with the most pathetic windies side ever. am i wrong on this one?. 7. last year they were thrashed by india in the home odi series by 4-1, lol.is this good enough for you? 8.They won against minnows like bangladesh and zimbabwe just to improve their record and ICC ratings lol,wasn't that a clever tactic?. 9. Were they successful outside subcontinent? the answer is emphatic NO. 10). do you lack cricketing knowledge? because it appears so. How could you possibly call this era of bob woolmer as successful lol. this is i am sorry but it is really idiotic and foolish comment. You are losing you credibility as a cricket affairs writers due to your overly chauvinistic and extremely patriotic statements. Face it, that Pakistan cricket is going through its worst period in history since 2000. And don't get deceived and fooled by flawed ICC rating system because it is very moronic, and ground realities are completely in contrast to such stupid rating system. I hope you will include this post in your blog. Thank you.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 1, 2007, 13:57 GMT

    Nasim Ashraf's interview with Osman Samiuddin on cricinfo June 01, 2007 is another farcical bureaucratic blooper. In his seven months stay as a Chairman of the PCB he must have done more than seven blunders and not a single wonder. Yet he is so proud and passionate about cricket that he proudly says: "I love it." Obviously if he is using the Board's money for pleasure trips and going everywhere on company's account then he will definitely love it.

    1. The Abu Dhabi series has shown signs of a team work and team cohesion and it looks like the team will gel well and remain a fit and a fighting unit. But its still too early to say this or pass a verdict. Nasim Ashraf seems to be enjoying the euphoria more than Malik. He has finally closed the door of captaincy on Younis's face, which is good but, its still need to be seen whether Younis and Inzi will be in the test side or they remain on the sidelines? Inzi should take a retirement gracefully and call it a day.

    2. The shortlisting of a coach to 13 and Australia's Steve Rixon's interview on cricinfo is a joke and Shuja Kidwai is right about this "purana jhaarus" guy talking with so much arrogance and with so many demands and still expecting that Pakistan will appoint him as a coach. If he gets a job then Nasim Ashraf should pack his bags and go back to the USA and find a janitor's job at a baseball club.

    3. His idea of an American fielding coach with a baseball background, which he thinks is an ingenious one is actually a dumb idea. The baseball players are always looking for a ball in the air and hardly field it low on the ground, besides, in baseball there are no sharp catches like you see in the slips, gully and point region for which different type of reflexes needs to be developed. A good athlete or a gifted fielder can further improve his fielding to a certain extent, but you cannot improve the fielding capabilities of players like, Mohammad Yousuf, Abdul Razzaq, Danish Kaneria etc., so what is he gonna do? I mean the American coach? Yell and shout at the players to run faster, like we see their coaches yelling at their players in the North America? In that case he should get a basketball coach or an ice hockey coach 'coz they can shout louder and also the hockey coaches teach their players how manhandle the opposition's players. Probably, Nasim Ashraf has trying to return a favour to one of the baseball coaches therefore, he is building up a case before he finally brings one in to Pakistan cricket.

    4. Instead of hiring an expensive foreign coach and a fielding coach, he must spend that money on improving the ground conditions in Pakistan and put some extra grass in the outfield so that the players are not reluctant to dive in stopping the ball. I have said this before that no player would be willing to dive on a hard surface in a domestic match to stop a boundary. Diving for the ball should become their first nature only then they will excel. If you see Razzaq and Yousuf they don't even bend down to grab the ball, instead they keep running with it till it slows down.

    5. He should stop his pleasure foreign trips and go on a austerity drive rather than cutting the player's match fees and their central contracts. After the world cup the first thing the PCB did was canceled their central contracts. Whereas, the PCB officials were getting their regular monthly salaries for doing all that "hadd harami pun." Why should all the poor players be deprived of their money for losing? Are they ALL responsible for that defeat? The captain has taken that responsibility he has resigned knowing that he will be axed in any case, even he shouldn't have been punished financially because a contract is a contract and it is a commitment. The bureaucrats should get the blunt for making wrong decisions in team selection and in adapting wrong policies or giving away so much power to the captain in the past. They should be penalized.

    6. Basically Nasim Ashraf in his interview has splattered a lot of cow manure like all bureaucrats and the point to be seen is what exactly is he going to do in bringing about those fundamental changes which he has so proudly talked about. The other important thing to be seen is how long this current administration is going to last? With a change in the political system Nasim Ashraf will disappear like a "musht-e-ghubaar in the air." Then what? New Chairman, new adminstration? Yeah, same old faces like Saleem Altaf!

  • srivathsan on June 1, 2007, 12:29 GMT

    The statistics given by Javed A.Khan about afridi is really interesting.While nobody can deny his ability to take on any bowler ,the problem is his attitude & can lose temper at the drop of a hat & with the rush of blood ,may commit blunder.The aussies & south africans who are world leaders in swearing & taunting (still get away with it thanks to our insipid sub.cont.umpires who are afraid to take on them & highly biased other umpires)can easily get to his nerves.This puts the team in a spot.Both Afridi & sehwag are a gamble .If they click they decimate any bowling & you win the match & if they fail you should have proper back up to cover them.Perhaps this is what Wasim saqib means when he commented on Afridi.Forget about his batting ,he deserves a place in one day side for his Bowling & Fielding alone.Batting is always a bonus.

  • Shuja Kidwai on May 31, 2007, 13:03 GMT

    Who is this guy Steve Rixon? What does he think of himself? And why is he talking about coaching team Pakistan? Has the PCB contacted him or he simply wants to become famous? He gave his interview on cricinfo yesterday and showing his reluctance to even apply for the job of a coach for Pakistan and is afraid of Bob Woolmer's death and wants a complete investigation report on his murder before he even applies for the post. I have never heard of this guy before and from his picture he looks such a purana jharoos why should Pakistan be needing such a coach?

  • Eiwar on May 31, 2007, 8:00 GMT

    This pakistan cricket team needs a coach,more so than most of the other major cricketing nations. If we take a look at australia,england,south africa,india,new zealand and srilanka ,most of us pakistanis will acknowledge that our domestic structure is the worse of the lot. Australia have the sheffield shield,a very good system for nurturing and grooming talent.Similary playing in the county system and even the ranjit trophy equips a player better for internationals than our domestic system. Considering the fact we have amongst the poorest domestic structures,anyone saying that we do not need a coach is naive.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on May 31, 2007, 5:22 GMT

    Coach or no coach, this thread is like a slow coach. With Bob Woolmer's death, Greg Chappel's exit, Tom Moody and Dav Whatmore's tenure being over it seems that at this moment, the coach mania is brewing in the whole of the subcontinent and its a hot debate especially in India where Kapil Dev and Sunil Gavaskar are asking for a local coach and the senior members of the Indian team are asking for a foreign coach. Once again Irfan has made a valid point about the unnecessary demand for a foreign coach especially in Pakistan where language is the most important tool in communication which would be the biggest problem if Pakistan hires a foreign coach. And Dawar has also made a valid point with his stats about how people have exaggerated and hyped up the era of Bob Woolmer as a successful one.

    Whether it was Woolmer or any other coach the situation may not have been very different. In fact if one takes a retrospective approach in reviewing Javed Miandad's time as a coach i.e., just before Woolmer's appointment, it wasn't that bad at all. The team did not play that badly against India in the home series. But, loosing to India after such a long time was considered as a big defeat and Miandad was sacked. Just look at the first ODI at Karachi it was a cliffhanger and at that time it was a world record in terms of highest runs in any ODI. Pakistan lost the match due to Inzi's poor judgment in team selection and Asad Rauf's blunder as a third umpire. The Multan test once again was lost not just due to poor fielding but, due to bad umpiring decisions, both Inzi and Yousuf were given out as LBW when they were not out and that was a very crucial time which changed the course of the game. Had they avoided the follow-on the match and series would have drawn. Anyways, the IF's & Buts theory doesn't change facts, but one should be able to learn from the past mistakes, that is more important.

    Regarding Afridi, some guys keep referring him as a flat track bully or a one time trick pony etc., etc. And also tried to ridicule his performance with some distorted facts that he has always excelled in the sub-continent pitches only and his brilliance is seen only one outta ten times. That is wrong!

    Afridi haters are either jealous of him or they are not aware of the facts. In Australia during the 2004-05 series against Australia his average from 5 ODI matches against Australia is 50.25 in which he smashed 16 sixes in 5 matches and that too against the best team in the world and against the fastest and best bowlers in the world. He is the only player to have hit three huge sixes (two in a row) and three fours in a row and in two overs of Glen McGrath he scored 31 runs and that too in Hobart, Australia in Jan. 2005. He remained 56 not out in 26 balls in that match. In the next match in Sydney he scored 48 in 37 balls and hit three sixes of Lee and Lehmen's bowling. In the next match he scored 37 of 13 balls, again two sixes in a row to Brett Lee. In the first final at MCG he hit two huge sixes in a row to Shane Watson, one of them is reckon as the biggest ever six seen at MCG. Please mention the name of any player in the world who has achieved this feat besides the world records that Shahid Afridi possess. Forget about the 37/100 and 45/100 or 229 sixes or 32 in one over or a strike rate of 110 etc. In Australia has any player from Pakistan or any team in the world has achieved this feat in 5 consecutive matches? No one!

    In the Caribbean tour during the year 2005, in the three ODI matches he was declared man of match once and player of the series for scoring his fastest test century in 78 balls and his over all performance with bat and ball in both forms of the game i.e., test and ODI. In South Africa during the recent tour he smashed the match winning 77 n.o. in 34 balls. Against India, in India, Sharjah and even in Toronto he scored centuries, so what else people expect from him? Should he be scoring centuries everywhere and all the time? Come on guys be realistic and give that devil his due.

    He is a player of exceptional qualities and Pakistanis have a habit of dissing their heroes after their retirement, he is still playing for Pakistan and is not receiving the respect that he deserves. And Wasim Saqib, even by your standards if he excel one outta ten times which is not true, please tell me what about the other TEN players in the team, how many times do they excel? When Afridi scores Pakistan wins does that mean others are also doing the same job? On that basis, Pakistan should not loose a single match, they should also do what Afridi is doing. So, b4 you pass a sweeping remark, think, think again and not on the basis of jingoism or regionalism but, think like a Pakistani without any bias and prejudice. Then you won't have him.

  • RAZA FROM NJ on May 31, 2007, 0:18 GMT

    I'm a proud muslim but I am sick and tired of when I hear Pakistani Cricket fans quote the Koran or bring religion into cricket! Cricket is not about religion whether its christianity, Islam, or Hinduism. Lets analyze the game on merit and not on hadith's. A great reason why we lost was because Inzi brought religion into cricket and became not the players captain but their spirtual religios leader. Inz basically became a mullah and ruined Pakistani cricket. example, during lunch breaks or tea breaks, Woolmer could not formulate strategy with the boys becuase Inzi would lead prayers during these breaks. How the hell could Woolmer do his job and make pakistan cricket champions. Inzi we need to implement this into the game, sorry bob all praise allah boys are good, boys play well! Also certain players would leave the field to offer prayers like inzi or moyo or whoever. Cricket is a game of concentration, one slip and your out! Also note that a turning point or shift in mommentum can occur in a game anytime and if your captain is off the field offering prayers then the expectations should not be about winning. If anyone says different then don;t blame the players and don't blame the PCB. Sports is not meant to be played that way! This team requires a bit of professionlism and when your playing in a 8 hour match you have devout your time to the game. You can always make up your prayers later. Syed Anwar and his brother, mushtaq ahmad and inzimam created fear in the hearts of the players that if they did not offer prayers that they would lose their spot, they put fear into them that if they were not tablighy stle muslims that they would not have a place in the squad. We must take these people and kick them out of cricket. salam

  • WASIM SAQIB on May 30, 2007, 20:39 GMT

    Javed A khan & Khansahab

    In my post May 29, 2007 9:14 AM, I tried to make two points,One that Knowledge is infinite and is not limited to English language, as in the case of sportsmen the requisite knowledge of their sport is sufficient however, academic education is an added bonus. The Indian President a world renowned scientist speaks English with a thick Indian accent cannot be regarded as uneducated. Javed nobody is resisting education my response was due to only one reason, you and Khansahab have consistently been making a mockery of Punjabi Players or Punjabis in general for one reason or another. Both of you first made fun of Waqar’s accent and then you posted a statement “why is that we see so much resistance from people on this blog when I, or khansahab or anyone for that matter ask them to improve their English or any language or the level of education? Is it a raw nerve that we touch or what?” Having an accent is not regarded as lack of education, I hope you are educated enough to understand it. If you pay attention to his cricketing comments rather than counting his Grammatik mistakes you will realize he is doing a fine job.The people who gave him the job they understand his limitations but they also probably understood how valuable his insight will be for all the listners,I think this is the main reason the channels hire Cricketers rather than English professors from Harvard or Oxford.

    And Javed, Afridi does entertains everybody but every 10th game,only if he learns to pace & build his innings will make him the greatest ever,and by mastering English language he might become a good cricket commentator with a thick pustoon accent.

  • Omer Admani on May 30, 2007, 20:27 GMT

    From cricinfo, "And remember Asim Kamal? He began his Test career with 99 against South Africa and scored seven more fifties in 19 innings. However, he hasn't played a Test since England toured Pakistan in 2005." Unfortunately we will have players like Malik, almost by force in the test series, when Aus, SA visit Pakistan, while not having Kamal, again by force despite his decent averages against Aus, SA.

  • WASIM SAQIB on May 30, 2007, 19:57 GMT

    Javed A Khan:

    Its true that ability to speak more than one language makes a person more refined, but for a sportsman I also said it is an added bonus and not the absolute requisite. I have never spoken against the importance of education,either you failed to understand my point or you deliberately dont want to acknowledge it, for an educated person like you, I fail to understand why is it so hard to understand the problems of Multilingualism , Waqar was not born or raised in England, his first language is Urdu/Punjabi, people who learn two languages as their first language "in scientific terms called L1" are called simultanoeus bilinguals,even in the case of simultaneous bilinguals one language usually dominates over the other as most of the punjabis they learn Urdu and Punjabi at the same time and normally their Punjabi dominates their second language urdu it happens because of a Phenomenon called "code switching" it describes the process of swapping between languages,this code-switching appears in many forms. If a speaker has a positive attitude towards both languages and towards code-switching, many switches can be found, even within the same sentence. If, however, the speaker is reluctant to use code-switching, as in the case of a lack of proficiency, he might knowingly or unknowingly try to camouflage his attempt by converting elements of one language into elements of the other language. This results in speakers using words like courrier noir (literally mail that is black) in French, instead of the proper word for blackmail, chantage. Especially when the second language is learned at a later age, the first language or languages become more dominant, it becomes increasingly difficult for a person to have full command over the accent, Grammar and Vocabulary of the second language. The problem of a foreign accent also arises from multilingualism It arises when the phonology of one language, typically the person's native language, influences his pronunciation of a second language, foreign accents are notoriously difficult to eliminate without very extensive training, and there is much individual variation in the ability to eliminate a foreign accent. Many speakers choose to live with their foreign accents as long as these are not heavy enough to interfere with communication (that is, as long as their accents leave the phonemes of a language clearly distinguishable to native speakers).

    Most of the linguist agree that every human has a built in language acquisition device—a mechanism which enables an individual to correctly recreate the rules (grammar) that speakers around the learner use. This language acquisition device, according to linguists, wears out over time, and is not normally available by puberty, which explains the relatively poor results adolescents and adults have in learning aspects of a second language (L2)or a third language (L3).

    Javed & Khansahab I hope this will help you guys to understand that to have a foreign accent is natural and common and has nothing to do with education.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on May 30, 2007, 19:25 GMT

    Durrani at May 30, 2007 7:50 AM says to Ashaq: "you have silenced or rather, with a few heavy weight punches, smashed the face of the biggest ‘bully’, starting with an L, on this blog."

    Maira Sapnao ka Rani tum nay kitna khabsoorat bat kitta jani, thanks for acknowledging that it is "the biggest" one you've ever experienced and sorry if that has hurt you but, ye tou hota hai first time and if you like it so much you can keep it in your backyard. Its for FREE for a Rani. :-)

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on May 30, 2007, 19:09 GMT

    Wasim Akram Fund for Fast bowlers! This is another fast bowler's coaching antics. I wonder if anyone has read Wasim Akram's recent interview? He is back again to the camp only to tell the BOYZ that I will be going soon as I have my media commitments in India and, I will be outta country every now and then. Since I am not charging any fees, I need an off-shore account to raise that fund - actually you raise the fund and I'll use it - obviously Wasim didn't say that I am adding it from my side to make it look like a lucrative business proposition. I think Waqar Younus should get the full time job of a bowling coach, he is good where he belongs to and not as a commentator. He is the only bowler who has taken 14 times 4 wickets and 13 times 5 wickets in ODI, and that too with an average of under 24 runs which is very hard for any bowler to sustain it over such a long period of time and his ODI career wicket haul is 416 which by any standards is superb, gr8, marvelous, outstanding woteva. Besides, he is available for full time as opposed to Wasim Akram who has his own commitments.

    khansahab, you have done a good job in explaining Wasim Saqib, in fact I have also written almost the same thing in my previous post and I am sure that must have pacified and satisfied Wasim Saqib that we are not in the biz of jingoism or regionalism and paindooism is not restricted to punjabis only. Like, the Hindi words, Avatar, Guru, Karma, Dharma, Kismet, etc., Paindoo bhee isi terha English di duniya ich tashreef lay aya! And you are right about Saeed Anwar, we don't need that heavy bearded coach, he was a great stroke maker and he holds his record of 194 and we all respect him for what he is, he should not come and ruin his image like Waqar is doing as a commentator.

    Pra Ashaq we all know that you will not go from here, even if you are really going on a vacation to your pind you'll prolly drop another post from the Birmingaon Airport by saying "this is my last post." Instead of doing this haira phairy, it would be better for you to bister bandho, tikas cuttao, laine lagao aur sakoon say watan jao. Over there, I am sure you would be looking for a "Chainak Internet" to send your posts. I am giving you this name Chainak Internet to seriously think of opening a franchise tea business, which I am sure is a very catchy name and will be very popular if you run it in a hut (jhopree) style with char pie and tippeye or a chowki, a sheesha or hukka-paani and a computer plus very loud Pushto and Punjabi songs in the background. Chalay gee, balkay dao-ray-gee! But then, you will lounge around and sit there like a couch potato with a chainak and hooka paani.

    The way you are apologizing and trying to patch up with people whom you have hurt, i.e., "mainly me", it seems like you are going on Hajj and may not come back alive! Yar, maray tumharay dushman keep your hopes alive, we will see you again but, you are absolutely and utterly wrong in assuming that you have hurt me or my feelings. Nope, brudda I am a very lively and a very carefree person and won't get hurt in a virtual world like this. In real life, I am famous for being the driving force among my friends and relatives in initiating, organizing and throwing parties, going outdoors on fishing, boating, hiking, skiing trips and in taking control of everything especially BBQ is my specialty and for your info. I luv nihari and got a Ph.D in it. I only used to write that for Inzi because we all know that like Nawaz Shareef he is also a sucker of nihari. And brudda I've said this b4 and reiterate my point that this is a virtual world, the moment you switch off the button of this "Putter", there is another world, another life which is real. So, why would I get serious or get annoyed on reading your comments, if ever I get annoyed, I would simply switch off or move away to another page with a notion that....cricket say bhee dil faraib hain mazay bay-roz-gaar kay! :-)

    When people try to praise me or write in my support I thank them and request them to leave it, instead of uskao-ing them like you did, 'coz I am a one man demolition squad and enjoy doing that alone, ;-) its a shame that you have never noticed the winks and smiley faces in my posts or unable to see the body language or judge the tone of humour between the lines and assumed that I get worked up or get annoyed, its the boxers who get worked up and not us we are "ain veen log" laikin, tumkay thairay paindoo. ;-) And, you should tell your "pukh" which is ek na shudd, 2 shudd, to calm down and be patient and not get too much excited. I am talking about "Dhee Rani, which is not "A Rani" but, "2Rani" aur vo bhi PuRani Dhurani jaisay kisi ki Sathyai huvi buddhiNani Anyways, take care and have fun. :-)

    Finally, on your Rumi's quote, what am I supposed to say? "Girdaan hee na jo samjhay vo nadaan zubaan kya jaanay!" Anyways, here is a quote for you from Rumi, which I like it:

    I know in this city no one is sober, One is worse than the other, One is frenzied and the other gone mad. Come on, my friend, step into the tavern of ruins, Taste the sweetness of life in the company of another friend.

  • Irfan on May 30, 2007, 18:30 GMT

    There is not doubt about the need of a coach for Pakistani team! It’s a must. An individual has a right to his opinion! At least one of them i.e. Afridi or Rameez made their opinions public because he must have been asked about it, further then that no importance should be attached to it.

    What is moot here is whether this coach be a foreigner or a Pakistani?

    Kamran, when these cricketers get to the point of playing for the national team they have been through at least three to four phases of playing cricket. Street cricket, hardball cricket, club cricket and departmental cricket and not at any stage exists a culture of speaking/understanding English, so much so that those who attempt (few exceptions) are laughed at. A game normally takes about five to six hours of a day to complete and all these players are constantly out there playing. At first it was the passion and later it becomes the bread and butter. Point is, they don’t have time to study! Let alone improve English and obviously becomes very intimidating to them if spoken to. Examples of this are laughed at constantly in this blog so no point in elaborating it here.

    So, there is this big communication barrier to think about. Bob was an exception, but do you think if a coach speaks to Asif in his cockney or Aussie accented English in front of his peers how do you think he is going to respond. Definitely not humiliate himself, he will bob his head up and down as if he understood when in reality he didn’t at all. Right there it kills the purpose of having a foreign coach.

    This is the situation on the ground, board knows all about it, its functionaries know all about it but I honestly can’t think of a reason why they are still pushing for a foreigner. India, Sri Lanka even may be Bangladesh may not have the same problem as we do. In my humble opinion we need to get them a coach who they can relate to, may be look up to or be purely impressed by. I am not saying who that coach should be because whosoever is chosen to do this job will have his hands full right at the get go.

  • pp on May 30, 2007, 17:39 GMT

    1. paindoo

    1) A person who comes from the village(of India or Pakistan). Usually used in a derogatory connotation

    The paindoo doesn't know how to use the phone!

  • Saima on May 30, 2007, 16:54 GMT

    ha ha ha so he has a wifey and she peeps over his shoulders? yet he tries to flirts on the net with girls less than half his age by encouraging them to stand up against a so-called bully even if it was an impromptu it was in a bad taste 'coz he himself doesn't have the guts or the skills to stand up like a maan to respond like a man and yet he considers himself a macho boxer and a street swagger and still instigating a girl to do the job for him is a real shame for a man. Yes peeps i am talking about the mirpuri ASHAQ who had finally thrown his towel in the ring and waving a good bye to his supporters after a TKO. It wasn't Javed A. Khan who knocked him off, but it was my punch on his KHOOSAT nosey that knocked him off on the floor where he laid for a long time thinking where am i and what am i doing here? thats why he is running away to mirpur after getting blows upon blows from Javed A. Khan that made him half dead and frustrated. Ashaq ankle ji, what you did was nothing creative u've just picked up the lines of other frustrated people who wrote against Javed A. Khan and u call it as ur analysis, you know what? ne kid half ur age could do that and u are not half as good as Javed A. Khan or khansahab and others and its so obvious and shows from your writings that you are not just a street swagger but a cheap one too. And u call him a bully actually you are a backseat bully urself and no wonder your wifey has renamed you from a mimbo to a bimbo 'coz after that defeat you needed that title plus she should also buy you a few glass bangles, jhumkay and paranday and we all know you will be coming back to make a tinkling, khannak channak of your glass bangles with another ghissy pitty post of urs and u know when the so called macho men wear those bangles what we call them? go ask your wifey she would tell you!

    Kamran abbasi sahib, your blog has finally created some interest for both genders now - in fact for the third gender too; and thats Ashaq - 'coz the discussion now is not just about cricket its also about chooriyaan, jhumkay, paranday, poetry and street 'swaggery'. Occasionally Javed sahib and a few others have used poetry on this blog and some verses were altered to add humour innit, lafz bhi kamal makhlooq hai...is ka istemal kar sakna ya kar pa na is stupendous catharsis and i am a gonner for poetry that expresses issues and realities of life yehi faraq hai ghalib aur iqbal ki poetry main for me ik waqt ata hai ki when ultimately one gets over ghalib ki aashiq mizagi jab ke iqbal ki poetry opens and explores issues that have to be tackled sooner or later in life its like an invitation to quit delaying facing up to facts and confusions, sort them out as is best possible.....and move beyond them....and sometimes to break the monotony when poetry is genetically altered to instill satire innit, it makes one laff especially that serious verse of Iqbal's poetry on Uqaab, instead of 'ye to chalti hai tujay oncha uranay kay liye', he altered it to 'meno khota kali keraday mai nachaan sari raat' it was sooooooo was hilarious, i laffed a lot, and must say that he has got a great sense of humour so, Kamran aap say ilteja hai kay you pls carry on this diversity on your blog or else it would be a dead blog.

  • Saima Khan on May 30, 2007, 15:43 GMT

    Best options for COACHES are as follows:

    1) Rashid Latif (ex captain running cricket academy plus he is a coach of Port Qasim cricket team and he is the honest man with great principals)

    2) Waqaq Yonius (Ex Captain, Ex bowling Coach, one of great fast bowler Pakistan produced, he has good communication skills)

    3) Aqib Javed (Coach of under 19 team cricket team, twice under 19 cricket team won world cup under his guide Nance as a coach, involved with cricket academy, same personality like Rashid Latif)

    4) Javed Miandad (One of the great batsman produced by Pakistan, Ex Captain, Ex Coach of Pakistan cricket team, Match winner, Some famous cricketers believes that Javed Miandad has more understanding of cricket than any one else in or outside field)

    Saima Khan Islamabad

  • Farooq on May 30, 2007, 15:24 GMT

    I totally agree with Dawar above.

    Farooq

  • jamjar on May 30, 2007, 12:45 GMT

    Ashaq -

    Just have to say you're first entry on this thread (re:your comments on Javed.A.Khan) were simply hilarious. Especially your line on two essential ingredients of success. May i add that there could be three essential ingredients of success - the third being a decent accent for speaking English!

  • khansahab on May 30, 2007, 11:53 GMT

    Wasim Bhai,

    You mentioned the point about hypocrisy which has made me recall an enlightening incident in my life. There was this chap who used to work for my father. When we went to New York for a trip my family stayed in his house for a couple of days. We were awe struck to see that his wife is none other than the daughter of the founder of a religious political party and now he is one of the leaders of the “opposition” religious party in Pakistan. You must have guessed his name. His daughter is gaining federal income support benefits in USA whilst her father is a millionaire. The point is that I have seen this man giving speeches many times and he is always anti-American and says that he has no link with the USA. I don’t see the point of these lies.

    That is why we have to be cautious that we should not judge people on the basis of their apparent piety or the length of their beard. It is good to be religious but only if you do it in a non-hypocritical way. Religion is useless unless you adopt tolerance, discipline, honesty and reason.

    When I say Tableegh has no place in cricket, what I am trying to say is that in their personal capacity the Tableeghis can do whatever they want and I guess they should actually engage in “fikr” and spread the “deen” but during a cricket series they should forget about that and only concentrate on cricket. There is such a huge emphasis as displaying yourself as a pious and righteous individual who remembers God in everything, so that non-Muslims can get influenced but non-Muslims will also look at other things. Does Inzamam really do that in real life or is it only important to him when he is on camera? I can tell you non-Muslims will not be impressed by the team losing so badly in the WC and their leader blaming his “kismet” for the disaster. That will put them off Islam.

  • jamjar on May 30, 2007, 9:51 GMT

    Kamran,

    The very fact that we are having this debate on the basis of comments from Ramiz and Boom Boom clearly shows the slightly ‘backward’ psyche of the Pakistan cricket set up. It is precisely this frame of mind which will prevent us from becoming the world’s best in both forms of the game chaps.

    Australia, the most polished unit in cricket today is probably one team that could conceivably play without a coach due to their talent, professionalism and mentality to defeat opponents. Yet I’d be extremely surprised to hear such rhetoric from the Australia camp.

    Pakistan clearly need a coach or preferably, coaches. Players such as Afridi, Asif and even Malik to some extent demonstrated the benefits of having a good international coach in the form of Bob Woolmer by bettering their own respective performances on the pitch. Additionally, there was also talk of ‘steel’ and fighting spirit showed by the team when odds where against them during the tenure of Bob. Whilst it is true the captain should take some credit for this, one cannot discount the influence of the coach in the set up.

    Khansahab -

    Ouch!! Sounds like I touched a raw nerve in your previous thread!! :) But in terms of amusement, I thing we have set a precedent here chaps. I think this blog is fast descending into one of comedy and humour! I guess we could have done with some these posts after the gloom of the world cup to help lift some downed spirits.

    I could write an equally amusing response and ridicule you further, but I’ll attempt to be the ‘bigger’ man here and try to be ‘mature’ about this. You see, maturity may not be very forthcoming to one who has just seen off his teenage years, where there might be some loose hormones kicking around creating unease. Additionally, as a chap who has just barely seen off the transition from a ‘boy’ to a ‘man’ (I think its inappropriate to use to the actual term of description here, but im sure you know what I mean) I would have thought Page 3 from The Sun would be more up your street! :)

    I will put two points to you, which relate your most amusing points from your riposte:

    First, achievements clearly come with age. After all, you don’t see many people with university degrees at the age of 15, or FA Cup winners at the age of 10 or QCs at 20 do you?? Or try finding a FTSE CEO aged below 30!

    Secondly, one would have thought writing a book on cricket strategy (the subject you excel at) would be an intellectual achievement. I guess you are too busy on working on drafting a constitution for the UK at the request of a fellow Scotsman, Gordon Brown.

    For the third time of asking, can we concentrate on Pak crick please ‘bhai’ :)

  • Saqib on May 30, 2007, 9:50 GMT

    AOA

    Mr khan sahab why you always write about religion when you are here only to discuss cricketing matters. If some players follow their religion that is their personal matter don’t try to interfere in some ones personal matters.

    ALLAH HAFIZ

  • Durrani on May 30, 2007, 7:50 GMT

    Now that Pak Cricket is quiet for some time, the excitement is on this blog. I thought, for some reason, I missed the fun but reading those fantastic analyses of Mr. Ashaq, I am sure I did not miss a thing.

    Mr. Ashaq, simply putting, Tusee Great Ho.

    I mean you have silenced or rather, with a few heavyweight punches, smashed the face of the biggest ‘bully’, starting with an L, on this blog. And Ashaq, you did all this with such simplicity and diplomacy that (Saamp Bhi Mar Gaya, Aur Lathi Bhi Nahi Tooti). Just to mention a few ‘Alkaabs’ given to king Javed A. Khan are The Nutter, Colonel, Brudda, Brown Sahib, Hopeless Lova, Middle aged, Retired, and now the Coach ..... as in ‘couch’. As if Mr. Ashaq’s furious punches were not enough, we also see some more shots from Waqar-USA, which was like beating the dead, but it was worth it. The guy dearly deserved each and every hit and some more. Although, we saw his ‘pet’ Shuja Kidwai (where did he get such name from) trying to take side with the beaten colonel, but without any real fight. I doubt that Mr. Javed is using the name Shuja Kidwai to praise and appreciate himself, because someone with a name like that can not be stupid enough to praise him.

    Oh and about the pandoo thing, I am sure they have (Paid and Done) to Mr. Javed, or rather seems like they all have Done without even Paying for it !!

    The only reason I and several others on this blog loathe Mr. Javed is that, by sitting in Montreal and being a immigrant and a Muhajir, he forgot about his true identity and is betraying his own roots and countrymen by calling them with bad names and making a mockery of their accent, language, culture and thinking that this is bloody funny. If paindoo means simpleton and rugged persons, as described in one of his earlier posts, then, with all due respect to all pathans brothers, the largest number of paindoos are in the NWFP in Pakistan, because there is no one more simpleton and rugged then the pathans.

    So by this definition, Mr. Javed A. Khan himself is the biggest “paindoo”, no matter where he stays and whatever he tries to be, which he actually is NOT.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on May 30, 2007, 5:25 GMT

    Wasim Saqib: After writing so much in your post on the subject of language, you have negated your own statement by saying: " the ability to speak several languages is an added bonus for any sportsman as it makes their personality more refined." And that is exactly my point. I am saying the same thing very bluntly and openly and citing the examples by emulating not just the accent, (which is not important) but, the pathetic use of language by those people on TV. Haven't you ever realize that in your every day life people respect you more because of the way you speak? The moment they see the way you speak they assess you and judge you and talk to you accordingly, be it English, French, Urdu or any language for that matter. That is exactly what khansahab, Awas and I have been saying and naming some of the good commentators like Boycott, Nasir Hussain, Dean Jones even Ramiz is good except, for his flat vowels. Waqar is a laughingstock and he is ruining his own image.

    And pls. don't be offended if you are a Punjabi, you can ridicule us Pathans as much as you wish and I will join you in that pun fun. As regards Afridi, Younis Khan, Miandad or Rashid Latif or whoever else you have mentioned the names, they are neither my cousins, relatives nor friends. I have said this b4 to someone else, and telling you again to go ahead and ridicule them. In fact I have made a lot of pun of Javed Miandad and called him a "totla". During one of the interviews on TV when a Karachi player named Basit Ali was interviewed by Tony Greig and he asked Basit Ali to comment on the general perception of the people that he is being talked about as "a budding Javed Miandad!" He replied: "Yes, Javed Bhai is my ideal hero and he give me tip to play and I take his tip when I play." Tony Greig was amused, he then asked Javed Miandad about the tips that he has been giving to Basit Ali and the "totla" replied: "aaan yethss eye give him a teep hear and a teep there and whenever he needs a teep, I give him a teep, you thsee that as a senior player I have to take care of them and give them teeps." As a player, Javed Miandad is great and Pakistan has not yet produced a fighter player like Javed Miandad, he is a naturally gifted player and he also has the ability to coach and in my opinion he qualifies for that post, he is just right for the Paindoos 'coz he speaks their language and that doesn't mean Punjabi and a paindoo doesn't mean Punjabi either.

    As regards Rashid Latif, I don't like him because, he creates too much jingoism and regionalism and to me he sounds bitter in his criticism. Younis Khan the less you talk about that dummy the better it is. Its good that he is not the captain 'coz he has an attitude problem but, he is a good player to be in the test side for Pakistan. As regards Afridi, his English is better among the current lot of paindoos and that is not the point, right now we are judging him on the basis of his game as a player and not as a commentator, which he is not.

    As a player Afridi is one of the best entertainers of the game, can you deny it? If so then you are lying to yourself. Or may be you love him so much that when he fails you feel very bad and thats why the utterance in disappointment. And Waqar Younis as a bowler, he was great and as a commentator, he is pathetic and should not be ruining his image. No one is forcing him to take up the job of a commentator or an expert critic, its his desperation to either earn more money, or to remain in the pubic eye as a former hero. Likewise, Inzamam as a batsman is (was) very good but as a captain, he is lousy. Do you think he can be a good commentator? For some it might be pure entertainment so, I reserve my comments on Inzi as a "com-tator."

    You are right about the percentage of English speaking people in the world. BUT, I never said that those who cannot speak English are not educated, why are you trying to put words in my mouth? The fact is, the spread of English cannot be halted. The globalization of the world mostly driven by economics is inevitable. The world needs a unified language of trade, politics, culture and for communication, information, technology etc. Reportedly, 75% of the world's mail is in English and 80% of the electronic information is stored in English. Its a shame that we are going to lose a lot of languages around the world, but if its not English, its something else. So which language are we gonna swtich? Chinese, Japanese, Punjabi? About 110 million people speak Punjabi, so do you think Punjabi will take over English one day? In Pakistan alone there are roughly 80 million Punjabi language speakers how many of them can speak English or make use of the electronic mail or information that is there on the Internet? In Kerala, India they all speak Malyalam and they ALL speak, read and write English and use the technology, same is the case in Sri Lanka they speak English fluently besides their native Tamil and Sinhalese. So, why are the Pakistanis so ashamed of learning? And why do they keep dodging this issue of improving or refining their educational skills and capabilities? When they take it seriously they are brilliant and they excel in anything they wanna achieve but, those are isolated cases and the numbers are very few. IMO, those who are educated must do something in this respect and spread the word, improve or you will perish, rather than spreading complacency. Remember it was Dr. Iqbal from Punjab who said, "na samjho gay tou mitt jao gay ...... tumharee dastaan tak bhee na hogi daastano may!" Anyways, this is my perception if you see it differently then, its your prerogative.

    When Ashaq wrote, "this is my LAST POST" and was almost begging to Kamran Abbassi to accept his irrelevant blab, I knew there will be one more after that very soon and it wasn't long for people to see the rooster coming home for another "kukar koon koon" .... lol, he is so predictable and thats his main weakness and despite being over 55 he thinks that he is still a good boxer. Btw, I know you'll be reading my posts, so lemme correct you but, first with a big LOL .... it is dividing and not deviding it sounds like Devi ji ki ding dong bell and that too from a ghissa pita Devdass. Btw, nice try in using your imagination about my education and the places I have worked or been to, but its ALL wrong, after all a gangster street swagger can always limit his imagination to putlee galeez thats why you assume that I have played galee cricket. Even if I have played college or uni level cricket it doesn't matter, it has no relevance, significance or importance because, we all criticize players who have played at the international level and those who have been recognized as classy players, so who am I or you or anyone else on this blog to say, we have played cricket at such and such level? Does it give you more authority to talk about cricket? Assuming that you have gone, I am closing your chapter. Have a nice Mirpuri vacation Asshaq. :-)

    Ps. Shuja Kidwai and Saima bibi, thanks for the words of support but I can handle mediocre boxers. Besides, I do my hunting alone:

    "Shikaar e murdaa saza vaar e shahbaaz nahee" Jo kabootar pur jhaptnay may muzza hai -- Vo muzaa kabootar kay lahoo may bhee nahee ! :-)

  • jamil on May 30, 2007, 4:45 GMT

    i was going through the news on cricinfo and the most exciting topics are all about coaches - england's coach, pakistan's coach, india's coach, sri lanka's coach, bangladesh's coach etc etc. Seems like the teams/cricket boards are putting way too much stress on having a coach - the point being that these are professional cricketers coming into the sport to play professionally with the understanding of responsibilities and recognizing the goals to be achieved. National teams are not academies. Yes, the players need feedback and suggestions, but they should be professional and mature enough to analyze themselves and each other. If a bowler balls 7 no-balls and 10 wides in an innings and continues to do that, it is not really coach's job that bowler proves himself to be stupid and not able to adjust his line. Or if the bowler keeps balling on the leg, the coach is not supposed to give him lessons on how to bowl. If a batsman keeps hitting in air every ball that comes to him (e.g. Afridi!!!), is it coach's problem to teach him how to bat. No - in all these cases, it is the selector's job to get rid of such players after giving them enough chances.

    Having said it all, the teams need coaches for particular area e.g. a bowling coach or consultant, similarly fielding, batting and fitness consultants. If Inzi runs around with one of the biggest tummies hanging around, then it is a clear indication of lack of seriousness and professionalism. At this level, and at any level, the players should know how to stay fit and effective. The real job of the coach is to consult with the team and the captain to devise strategies. He should help the team prepare for playing strategies against other teams. A test/professional cricketer should know by observation that Chris Gayle can't play over-pitched in-swinging balls because he doesn't move his feet. The coach should help him/team identify this and make it part of overall match strategy against West Indies but the bowler should know it by using his brains.

    So to conclude, I am sure Rameez and Afridi will gladly accept coaching jobs whenever offered. They have proved to just too dumb to use their own brains in their own times - and should avoid giving such suggestions. I would strongly recommend having multiple consultants for each functional area and a strategist aka coach.

  • Ashaq on May 30, 2007, 1:48 GMT

    I know I was gonna leave things as they are but I got a couple of days to go before I board my flight to the proud land of the pakistan. So I would like to make my peace with everyone.Besides life is too short,Zindagi ka koi pataa nahin hai.So to everybody whose feelings I may have hurt or offended,I would like to offer my sincere apologys.Hopefully I will return early next year.

    First of all to my Lala Javed,dont get stressed out my My "Brudda".I still hold you in high esteem. To be perfectly frank and all jokes aside every time Kamran Abbasi posted a new thread,I would scroll down and the first person whose,comments I would read were yours.

    What Puzzles me anyway is why you suddenly got so worked up.Only a few months ago you said "I dont get annoyed at whats said about me in the virtual world". Clearly street humour dont go down to well with some people. So my brudda once again I apologise if I hurt your feelings.

    Shuja Kidwai, and Saima thanks alot, the wife was looking over my shoulder as I was reading your posts. She thought they were hilarious, and keeps shouting "Khoosat Bhuddi" and instead of "Lot lizard mimbo" she has renamed me as "Elizabeth Bimbo".I dont think i'm going to hear the end of that anytime soon.

    I will leave you with a story from Jalaludeen Rumi.A certain man noted for his knowledge boarded a boat for a voyage.The captain of the boat asked him "sir in which subject are you an expert?" He replied:"I am an expert in the knowledge of grammar.It is a great pity you have spent your whole life learning how to sail a boat but did not learn anything about grammar."

    At this reply,the boatsman remained silent.It so happened that according to the decree of ALLAH,the boat was caught up in a storm in the middle of the ocean.The captain told the grammarian"Sir,make use of your knowledge of grammar and save yourself from drowning.The boat is in danger of sinking."

    The Grammarian remained silent.Of what use was grammar in such a situation?The sailor also said. "This is not a time for grammar.It is time to be a swimmer.Expert knowledge of grammar is of no use at this time.It is time to swim your way out of trouble."

    However I do believe that knowledge of grammar will help the Batsmen score more centurys.Help the Bowlers take more wickets.Also help us all unfortunate Paindoos become more refined,and cultured:-)

  • Omer Admani on May 30, 2007, 0:44 GMT

    Kamran Abassi, you should start a vote on who is won the debate, Ashaq or Javed Khan. Methinks Ashaq knocked Khan over in one blow (this last one) despite receiving continous jabs thruout the debate.

  • khansahab on May 29, 2007, 23:46 GMT

    Wasim Bhai,

    I would like to clarify a few things. We all have our biases, some based on personal observations and others based on what our families have imposed upon us. I admit I have used the term “paindu” to describe specific Punjabis but I have also used it in a general way, where it is applicable to anyone. I have some irritating cousins I detest and I call them “paindu” underneath by breath but they are not Punjabi. “Paindu” is a term which was invented by Punjabis for Punjabis. Contrast it with terms like “matarwa” and “keera makora” which are primarily a Punjabi construct. These terms are especially offensive and more serious than “paindu”.

    As far as ridiculing accents is concerned, the problem is not really with accents. I expressed my disapproval for Waqar’s accent because he changes it every so often. Why can he not speak in his natural accent? I did not ridicule his accent because he is a Punjabi. I am Pathan by origin and I used to mimic Pathan bus drivers’ accents too when I was in Karachi. However when it comes to his English speaking prowess he definitely deserves condemnation. You mentioned that the command of English is not a prerequisite to one’s educational attainment, citing the example of a Japanese doctor who cannot speak a word of English. Waqar was an “English commentator”, not just “a commentator”. ENGLISH was a part of his role as a commentator and hence it becomes justifiable to criticise his command over the language. Here I can mention some British agents who are trained in Urdu and Punjabi, who work for the secret services and monitor potential extremist messages/conversations between Muslims. If they miss out some words or do not understand everything what good is their job? You can say that their job is serious and hence failure is not an option but Waqar is also commentating internationally and being heard across the globe. I think that factor is serious enough. We must also not forget that it is Pakistan’s image we are talking about. When I was joking about Mushtaq Ahmed, my focus was on his unnecessary use of English words although his Urdu is poor. But I don’t have a problem with Waqar or Mushtaq speaking Urdu because they are not from particularly educated backgrounds so you cannot expect their Urdu to be flawless and also because Urdu commentators are not being heard by non Pakistanis, so the image is protected there. If Waqar was a coach and he was interviewed in English I would not mind because he is primarily speaking as a coach not as an English commentator.

    Although Ramiz Raja (a Punjabi) pronounces some words strangely, I respect him as a commentator because he doesn’t make mistakes. I don’t really care how his accent is, what really matters is that he does not commit grammatical errors.

    I know you didn’t directly complain to me about this; your criticism was of Javed Bhai but since I have supported a few of Javed Bhai’s recent posts, I thought I should present my side of the story. In any event this regionalism problem is a scourge and the most important thing is that we are Pakistani, not Punjabi or Urdu Speakers. If we can seriously, from within our heart, accept that our country is more important than our province or mother tongue, then there is nothing to worry about. But for that we have to be tolerant and start feeling happy meeting people from other provinces/marrying into other cultures/eradicating this Shia Sunni nonsense etc. I recently read an interview of a Baluchi tribal leader who said that if people from Punjab want to buy land in Baluchistan, he will not let that happen. That is the sort of thing we need to eradicate.

  • WASIM SAQIB on May 29, 2007, 23:03 GMT

    Khansahab:

    Your point is well taken actually I also dont want any religious hypocrite to be associated with the team anymore,I forgot about Saeed. I was recently on a Vacation and I met a Pakistani Doctor who told me he himself delivered vine to Mushy several times.So my views about these religious Hypocrites have changed.I will not use the term Tableeghi as I have no problem with Tableegh but hypocrisy is one thing which I cannot stand.

  • Awas on May 29, 2007, 18:26 GMT

    Ashaq/JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA

    I thought Ashaq’s satirical analysis on JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA were brilliant, funny and thought provoking. As I mentioned earlier, I was waiting for a long riposte and when it came it was equally punchy. Ashaq didn’t “miss a punch” for him to land another one because in my view he wins on points. Definitely, with contributors like these makes Pak Spin the best.

  • vaseem khan on May 29, 2007, 16:53 GMT

    Yes, I do agree with rameej & Afridi,Team doesn't need coach but need psycologist, who have cricketing brain,I m fully agree that pak team doesn't need coach and i want to ask all the blogger who have said that coach is necesay what has done by all the coaches to pakistan!!! Even I would like to say that a psycologist should be there instead of coach who have cricketing brain and point out the mistake and should give some speech and other thnign to boost the confidence ........Not Coaches at all.............Coach can not teach how to play the cricket is full of example that eveery player have bad time so what coaches do nothing man if a person is playing international cricket he had played a lot of cricket that , that can not be altered, only point out what player have the sprit of playing for nation of himself not more than this..................

  • Ashaq on May 29, 2007, 16:35 GMT

    Hi Kamran I know the previous post was supposed to be my last one.But unfortunately it got a bit long so I have to extend considering I missed out all the interesting stuff.Plus I am sure that by now everyone thinks i'm a total nutter which of course I am.

    Now were was I oh yes strategic thinking and my analysis of the 'Colonel'sahib.Well brother javed made 2 very strong strategic mistakes.(1) Never under estimate your opponent and (2)Never expose your weaknesses.

    Weakness no 1 exposed. In his debate with Kiran Ahmed he mentioned that he was (Looking for someone with finesse).So in my debates I started throwing in snide remarks about his lack of prowess with "niswanis". Considering he was in his fiftys and still looking.The brothers response had malice clearly showing I struck a raw nerve:-)

    Weakness no:2) I started then targetting the brothers age.Telling him how sad it was that he being in his fiftys was living on his own.Clearly touched another raw nerve engendering another harsh response from the brother.Thats why he keeps mentioning 1907 he is clearly going through a midlife crisis wandering were all the years went:)

    Weakness no:3) Of course last but not least.The word "BrownSahib" clearly touches a raw nerve with the "Colonel".Every time you make a mention it he has to comeback with a quotation of a Hadith,or a statement to justify that he is not ashamed of his roots.

    So in summary if any of you are targeted by Brudda Javed on this blog.Just mention his lack of success with women,his age,or the word Brown sahib:-)

    To put everybodys minds at ease I am just trying show the importance of having a strategy in cricket and the importance of being able to analyse your opposition .Hope brother Javed you will be a good sport about it.

    Oh yeah Javed I am Kashmiri paindoo my dear Lala and not punjabi.Plus you was right about my "tharrak" for the "Rays of the sun" I definitely prefer feisty.so to the 'Warrior Queen' out there in Toronto you missed your chance:-)

    The post would not be complete without a quote from the greatest sportsman of them all.

    "True success originates from a strong sense of belief,A burning passion to succeed,to believe in yourself when no one else does.A character of a man can only be judged in defeat and failure it his how he rises from the abyss of despair that proves his true worth.Self belief is everything and impossible is nothing"....Muhammad Ali.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on May 29, 2007, 16:32 GMT

    The point that I had raised in my previous post that the PCB has already decided to choose a foreign coach is on the news today. Apart from Nasim Ashraf's interview, one of his chamchas has talked about it on cricinfo announcing the short listing of 13 probable candidates to coach Team Pakistan. He also said that, it is very likely that the coach will not be a local to avoid internal politics and grouping within the team. I think if the nation cannot be united in choosing the right candidate from within then, they deserve someone else's domination over them. Based on this analogy President Musharaf must hand over the country to the UK or the USA.

    Good to see Euceph Ahmed coming back to the blog after a vacation and making some valuable contribution. The camp which he talked about in his post, imo it is just like the education system in Pakistan where most people enjoy a year long holiday and a festive life style and just before the exams they wake up and pretend to be serious and, a few try to indulge in group studies just like a camp. Similarly in Pakistan cricket, whenever there is a series to be played at home or abroad there is a camp. The recent report on Wasim Akram's presence in the camp while the whole team was in Abu Dhabi and when the players are back (some are still playing county cricket in the UK) now Wasim Akram has gone! In the days of Bob Woolmer, on quite a few occasions he took vacation while the camp was on and went off to S.A. only to join the team later in the UK and the Caribbean where the matches were to be played and he did the same thing in the recently concluded SA series, went ahead of the team before the camp was concluded.

    As regards the players spending "some-time" with the coach. I reckon seeing on TV some of the players sitting all day next to the coach during a 5 day test match and the reason was, they were not in the playing XI and by sitting next to the coach they have a good chance not to learn something from him, but to butter him and get a place in the team and they were definitely rewarded. And those who had a fight with him were sent back home.

    I reckon it wasn't me who first called Ashaq a paindoo, it was Euceph Ahmed who shunned him for his simpleton like remarks. It seems like the word pay&doo has become a taboo. It does not necessarily mean only Punjabis are pay&dooz. Anyone who happens to be a simpleton is a paindoo - it is as simple as that. But, who are the people who say Ashaq for Aashiq and Victamisation for victimization and definately for definitely e.t.c.? :-) Btw, I have no connection with "La 'hore" so, I wonder where this cun-foo-yen crept in the empty skull of a retired boxer? Now, its obvious who was victimized at the tender age of 13 and received so many blows everywhere that the gray matter drained out and highlighted the bottom line. Et Pra, where I come from, we don't dance with the kuri all night, we do something else! So, it proves what Ashaq is NOT capable of doing...LOL.

  • Dr KM Husain on May 29, 2007, 16:16 GMT

    Winning CONSISTENTLY needs coaching, period! Simply put a coach is the teacher, the father figure and one to provide direction and drive to win. Vince Lombardi the great American Football coach has an oft repeated quotation, "Winning isn't everything, its the ONLY thing". Good coaches in any sport provide encouragement, team building, direction, sense of purpose and strategy. To play at the professional level without a proper coach is to field a team of talented but wild amateurs. I am astonished that there can be any argument at all about the need for a coach. We need a coach to get the job done, how he does it should be up to him. Let the results be the only measure of success or failure. We need a coach that can teach our boys to take the field with the conviction and attitude that they CAN and WILL win everytime they take the field.

  • Ashaq on May 29, 2007, 15:36 GMT

    Sorry Kamran I know I might be of topic,but this will be my last post for quite sometime so hope you will forgive me for taking liberties .I am going to Pakistan this saturday, from now on I will be deviding my time between the U.K. and my "Pind".First of all I would like to thank you Kamran for creating the most interesting and inclusive blog on the net.Where else would you find a former street Gang member, from innercity Birmingham.And a scholarly intellectual Banker engaging in a battle of wits.

    To my 'Brudda' Javed out there in montreal.It has been quite an interesting experience.You are one strange fish,but anyways dont take things to heart bro,I was just winding you up thats all.

    So I would like to leave you all with some general observations and musings.As my 'brudda' colonel Javed Sahib has stated previously.We are all products of our environment.Our view point and even our way of thinking is formed by our experiences,and background.

    So when I started participating on this blog.I noticed that a certain 'Brudda' was creating waves. Realising that he and I were sooner and later gonna clash.I started keenly observing his comments for signs of weakness whilst at times throwing in some snide comments about "Brown Sahibs" e.t.c. to see what would get the 'Bruddas' goat, for future reference.

    Now you may call it paranoia derived from the fact that I was from the ages of 17 to 19 a member of a notorious street gang(which is now defunct).I would like to call it strategic thinking. You look for signs of weakness in an opponent,once you find it you never let up.Rather like the Australian cricket team and their infamous sledging,which I think is brilliant strategically.for example when a Batsman comes to the crease you look for anything you can use to rile him,be it his lack of height,weight,size of his ears etc.You may have a player who has a complex about the size of his ears,so you start calling him 'floppy',dumbo Elephant ears.If the player gets upset he is gonna lose concentration, if he loses concentration he loses his wicket. If it works the first time you continue to use the same "sledge" against that batsman .

    Similarly on this blog I was impressed most by Kiran Ahmed(Not just for her Feisty disposition:) Because she employed a very effective strategy.Whilst the 'colonel' may have been wittier in his responses she won every round by simply calling him a "nutter" at every opportunity.The brother was left completely dazzled.

    Anyways I realised that Javed in his manner of speaking,most likely had his primary education at a missionary school in Pakistan. He mentioned that he Knew Imran Khans family from zaman park in Lahore.So therefore his early education was in Lahore explaining his constant references to paindoos,and a general phobia of punjabis the experience was clearly a bad one the emotional scars are still there.Hell I think every time the brother has an argument with some ghora in Montreal he probably calls them Paindoo and punjabi as well.

    The brother mentioned he intially started a course in medicine before switching to Finance,he also mentioned he did a CEGEP course.So therefore the second phase of his education was in Canada.Upon graduation he went to work in the U.A.E. another bad experience resulting in a phobia of Arabs.He clearly like myself has a passion for cricket,but very little knowledge concerning the technical intrecacies.So he has chosen to conceal his lack of knowledge by hiding behind the mask of intellectualism.Sure his read a few books on cricket like myself but I very much doubt he has ever played cricket at any level,other then galli cricket:-)

  • Sameer A Malik, Michigan, USA on May 29, 2007, 15:31 GMT

    I am not in favor of domestic coach, as it will bring favorism and relatives into the team, either there should be a foreigh coach or no coach.

    This blog has become so boring due to irrelevant, long and boring posts. Few people are talking to each other by mentioning names just for the sake of getting noticed, kindly stop those personal conversations or there will be only 10 people on this blog talking to each other instead of talking about cricket or topic.

  • atharpola on May 29, 2007, 11:27 GMT

    pakistan has more talent than india at this moment. they should consider beating bcci in the pay to whatmore to lure him! i can see the next world champions in pakistan.

    India has a hapless bowling compared to other teams.they still cant produce an express fast bowler. there is a kashmiri fast bowler named abid nabi who can bowl over 145 consistently but will anyone spot him? all top teams have a tearaway fast bowler now. aussies got tait and lee kiwis got bond england have the mahmood factor pakis got akthar lanka have malinga

    where is indias answers to the fastest bowlers??

  • Dawar on May 29, 2007, 10:37 GMT

    Kamran You said:

    Woolmer was the most successful helping Pakistan gain high positions in the Test and One-day rankings, although the last year of his charge was a disaster.

    My Comments: Sorry to say we were miserable under Woolmer & Inzi. We lost against England after 26 years, we lost against SA and we lost cheaply against Ireland & Wes Indies in the world cup. Yes, we won against the weak team at home grounds. We develop the attitude to win against weaker team at home and lose against all team outside Pakistan. All credit goes to Inzamam and Bob. Inzi batting also reflect this kind of attitude. His highest batting average is against Bangladesh and lowest avergae against Austrlia. He could be better fit for Indian batting line up.

    Best person for the Coach is Javed Miandad with full authority. Nothing can be done without power & authority.

    Other good options are Rashid Latif, Waqar Yonius & Aqib Javed.

    Dawar LA, USA

  • khansahab on May 29, 2007, 10:25 GMT

    Recently Inzi said in his interview that the coach should be someone who “has a good nature”. I think what this means is that he wants someone malleable and tolerant like Woolmer who can allow the Tableegh. Shaharyar Khan has recently said that Woolmer complained he had trouble consulting the players because during intervals and breaks they would be busy offering namaz in Jamaat. Of course, for someone like Inzi and Mushtaq, attempting to influence non Muslims like Bob and converting him to Islam would be more important than winning matches and justifying the faith imposed on them by millions of Pakistanis worldwide.

    Hence whoever the coach should be, he should be strict and must keep a no-nonsense attitude with his players. The coach should also be someone who has good ties with the PCB so that he can insinuate the selection of fit players. I have stated repeatedly that this team has the talent to remain the no 3 or no 4 team in the world despite its fielding and opening problems but what we really want is Pakistan being the no 1 or no 2 side. So we really do need a coach.

    Sami is not amongst the best bowlers in Pakistan but look how he maintains his fitness. He is available to play for every series. There is not a huge difference in his and Shoaib Akhtar’s pace and yet the latter is only available half the times. I remember when Shoaib was a newcomer he controlled his fitness but the glamour and money has blinded him. He has achieved what he wanted to achieve; the tag of the world’s fastest bowler and now he doesn’t care about winning matches for Pakistan. I know Shoaib isn’t a young man any more but he has suffered from this fitness bug for a long time.

    For the sake of trying out something different maybe Pakistan should go with a local coach. Wasim Bhai, I think Zaheer Abbas may be a worthwhile coach but I will not support Saeed Anwar as coach firstly because his batting, until his retirement, suffered from the same flaws as many of the Pakistani openers. The reason he was a successful opener was that he was just an unusually gifted player who was naturally excellent at finding the gaps. That was a natural quality and I don’t think he could teach that to the openers with practicality. You may disagree with my second reason but I don’t want any Tableeghi to be associated with the PCB because this is the time we have to try something different and Inzi’s experience has shown that Tableegh has no place in international cricket.

  • Shuja Kidwai on May 29, 2007, 9:57 GMT

    Ashaq what makes you think that I didn't write before on this blog? I did and sometimes my posts were not posted on the blog for whatever reason Mr. Kamran Abbassi knows and the other times when they appeared they got lost in the hundreds of other posts on this blog and no one took any attention of what my views are. You only noticed my post when I wrote something about Javed Khan. In fact I also wrote about you and khansahab that I like to read your posts too. But lately you have turned bitter and perhaps thats due to your boxing background that you have to respond punches with punches which is fine but the way you have been behaving now is not like a boxer but like an old nagging lady. And your last post is in real bad taste and I am sorry if that hurts you, but its a fact and your recent responses are reflecting your true colours like you say you are a street guy. I would say you are more of a street tart and you are confirming what Javed Khan wrote about you "lot lizard mimbo" its a true reflection of what you are appearing to everyone on this blog now. I would advise Javed Khan as well not to respond to your cheap street humour to keep this blog clean from street swaggers.

  • WASIM SAQIB on May 29, 2007, 9:14 GMT

    Javed a khan- Its true that our religion emphasize on the need of aquiring knowledge and education, but knowledge or education is not just limited to English language,if thats the case then 80% of the world's population is uneducated,knowledge is infinite,People need to acquire knowledge which should help advance their particular career or trade,a doctor has to learn medical science,an accountant has to learn accounting,business and tax laws,now a japanese doctor who cant utter a single word in English cant be regarded as uneducated. similarly, just because Australians or English cricketers speak fluent english because its their mother tongue doesnt mean that they are more educated may be some of them dropped out of high school,the requisite knowledge for a sports person is mainly the knowledge and skill related to his sport,although academic knowledge and the ability to speak several languages is an added bonus for any sportsman as it makes thier personality more refined. But to discriminate or humiliate some body just because of their accent is a shame,I think you need to learn and understand the problems which stem out of Multilingualism. Although I donot believe that your criticism of Waqar in the last thread or your insults of Punjabis in general has any thing to with your desire to see them more educated or refined,bcz if that is so then Your beloved Afridi is also not a PHD, javed Miandad we all know how educated he was, Rashid latif,Sami,and the list goes on, we never see you writing anything about their education why are you so concerned about Punjabis,I think this blog is only for cricket and we should not use it to spread hatred against any ethnicity.And please dont say that it was sarcasm or pun,it was not.

  • Saima on May 29, 2007, 9:05 GMT

    Shuja Kidwai you steal my idea and my lines. I was thinking of a simple "yes and no" system instead of going through long debates on such issues. I grew up with my older brothers who have always been debating and I seldom see them agreeing or making a valid point on any decision on team selection or who is better, there is a cricket culture in our house. I have been reading this blog from the beginning and posted my views a few times. But this is the first time I am responding to a post as I quite agree with you that Ashaq with his nagging sounds like a khoosat old lady. He claims to be a macho by always stuffing his boxing in cricket and at the same time he nags like an old frustrated woman, this is quite a contrasting personality and I wonder why? I also like Javed Khan's views and the way he expresses 'em also of khansahab, Euceph Ahmed, wasim saqib and a few others.

  • Euceph Ahmed on May 29, 2007, 6:26 GMT

    Kamran,

    I take it that the basic thrust of your argument is that this team needs a coach because the players need to learn. Now, for that theory to hold, it would be reasonable to argue that the players need to spend some time with the coach so the coach can help them improve their skills. This reminds me of the mockery known as "the camp" held before every series, supposedly for training purposes. The duration of this "camp", by the way, is getting shorter and shorter with each passing year.

    The question then is, how much wisdom a coach is supposed to impart to players in a twenty day camp? And, how much do the players actually benefit from this waste of an exercise? Essentially, this means on-the-job training which would be acceptable for smaller problems. But we're talking fundamental technical flaws here. In the backdrop of players willing to forego their international careers (Younus Khan and many others) to play county cricket for more foreign exchange, and corporate sponsors paying more and more for flamboyance than for technique, I think we have a real predicament here.

    The solution, it appears, lies in the team staying together not only during the playing season but also during the off-season. The camp has to go, and the off-season must be used for eradicating technical flaws, for building team unity, and to improve mental and physical strength.

  • WAQAR-USA on May 29, 2007, 4:27 GMT

    ASHAQ- Your last post was hillarious,you knocked him out, this guy picks on everybody on this blog and apparently he cannot stand criticism or difference of opinion. Colonel Javed khan the self appointed moderator of this blog, the reason he uses the term Pay&do so often is may be he was (paid and done) by somebody in his earlier life (referred as ziyaditti by Mr.Durrani)we all know he is peechoo sey pathan so its quite a possibility.

    What he calls good humor or sarcasm is just plain "PHAKAR PUN". His favorite past time besides taking care of the "Bateras" is watching Musarat Shaheen urf "jahanum ki raqasa" videos and writing on this blog.

    Ashaq, I agree with u he should be made the next coach of Team Pakistan,PCb should look no further they can find a foreign/desi coach 2 in 1, right here at Pakspin.He will not only Improve the Grammatik & linguistic skills of the team and make them world beaters but his special social skills will keep Shahid Afridi, younis Khan,yasir Hameed and Umar gul exteremely happy.May be some of the Pay&do players may also join the club.

    Godspeed colonel Javed.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on May 29, 2007, 4:18 GMT

    On this thread, I have written enough from my side about coaching, the needs of a coach, his expectations from the team, the team's expectations from the coach, desi coach, foreign coach, no coach woteva! Outta 20 odd posts on this blog right now, some are not sure about the need of a coach, a few think it is necessary and some don't, some say desi is better than foreign and vice versa. But, my fellow blogger Rash May 28, 2007 11:22 AM, has been a tad rash on Pakistanis in general and he says: "mostly pakis are illiterate and never understand proper english." I am really glad to hear this comment from a literate Pakistani who has identified the real problems of literacy and highlighted it by saying: "The biggest problem of pakis player is they have a echogistic problem. And another good point that he has made by saying: this afridi stupid he himself does not have consistency in his international carrier and advising not to hire a coach. Wow, I must say that I am really impressed by this new version of ego and, how it creates a 'gist' (the essence) with a 'tic' and leaves an 'echo' behind which makes it 'echogistic'. Also, I am very pleased to know that Afridi has an International bi-cycle carrier or, is it the Carrier brand air-conditioner? My bad, I am a slow learner.

    In our religion Islam, there is a lot of emphasis on learning and acquiring knowledge. There are a couple of Al-hadiths that I know, I cannot confirm its authenticity but, I know they are often quoted in books and by scholars. One is, "Seek knowledge though it be in China" and the other one is, "Acquire knowledge from the cradle to the grave." It doesn't mean one really needs to go to China, but in those days going to China was considered as a very difficult task or like next to impossible. I guess these are just expressions, meaning no matter how difficult it may be one should not hesitate to acquire knowledge and there is no time limit or age limit in acquiring it. There is also a quote in the history books that, our Prophet Mohammad s.a.s. after the conquest of Mecca asked the non-Muslims who were captured as prisoners to either pay (Jizya) tax or they would be released and set free if they teach or educate one Muslim child or an adult for a certain period of time. This is another fine example of how flexible and how positive our religion is that it did not forbid Muslims from acquiring knowledge and education from non-Muslims au contraire, it encourages them to acquire knowledge from any source. Now, the point that I am trying to make is; why is that we see so much resistance from people on this blog when I, or khansahab or anyone for that matter ask them to improve their English or any language or the level of education? Is it a raw nerve that we touch or what?

    I believe that education creates refinement, finesse and openness in understanding many things in one's life and sport is a part of our life. Most of these people who oppose this idea of refining or improving their language skills or getting educated, always talk about winning a game. And winning comes from improving one's skills and capabilities in the sports arena. If that is right for sports, then how can it be wrong when it comes to education? Ignorance is bliss, but having a blister at the wrong spot will always make some people cry, whine and complain. Never mind, I do not want to stoop that low to be at par with him. I'll ignore him for a while and give him some breathing space to improve his own attitude.

    But, I would like to tell the inquisitive and curious cat that, my middle name is not "A" for Ashaq and "B" for Bulbul-e-Punjab, its not fictitious or imaginary, it is real, and it is one of the greatest names, a name that the son-in-law of our Prophet had, a name that one of the greatest boxers in the history of boxing has, and the reason I don't use it here is because, I don't like that great name to be abused or insulted by some petty lance corporal na-muraad.... tsk, tsk, tsk @ your 'disgustipatingly' pathetic taste and the choice of crappy movies another tsk, tsk, tsk for the time you spend in seeing such oldy goldy movies which has "echogistic" problems etc., etc., in it and btw, the abbreviation or acronym of the Latin word etcetera is, etc. and not e.t.c. which means so on; and so forth ..... what a duddoo! Now go on and put a squash ball in your boxing glove to pull a right hook or a left jab on me and you'll miss it again. ;-) Baba ji, wear your reading glasses rather than using your impulse, 'coz this is not a boxing ring, also this is 2007 and not 1907. The new name of Alzheimer is 'Oldtimerz' and there is no cure. :-)

  • Ashaq on May 29, 2007, 1:17 GMT

    The true question is why was the doctor saying we are only going to employ a Pakistani.Now he is saying we are only going to employ a foreign coach.As for Tim Boon we can expect another Richard Pybus.If we are going for a coach then they should go Rashid Latif the brother dont take crap from nobody,has a strong coaching background with his academy.

    To Shuja Kidwai my remarks were also made in jest I dont Know whether they do sattire in the middle east or not thats what my post was.

    so how about you coming on this blog and expressing your own view.It seems the only time we here from you is when your beloved Javed is beseiged.

    As for your question as to why I am behaving like a nagging old lady? Perhaps you can explain as to why you are behaving like a Lovestruck Pre-Pubescent schoolgirl.

    If the great Javed.A.Khan can dish out and make jest of other people.Then surely he should be able to take it in the same spirit when his on the receiving end.Instead of acting like a School yard bully and crying victamisation.

    Yes Shuja I agree with you that Javed Bhai is very observant.He is so observant that even my references to him as "LaLa" have failed to register with him that I am not Punjabi.You see the brother went to a missionary school in Lahore being a Khan he got mercilessly bullied by the locals hence his phobia about Punjabis.

    As for the Punjaban thing.Well sure the brother stands on the sidelines and shouts Naach Punjabaan,Naach,Naach,Naach". With always the same response "come on Javed cant we just be friends". She then responds by saying that "Main Nachoon ki sari raat apnay Ashaq de Naal".You see the brothers with street macho Ishtyle always win, this battle.While the nice intellectual sahibs hear nothing but the Expression "cant we just be friends".lol

  • Shuja Kidwai on May 28, 2007, 20:06 GMT

    The question posed by Mr Kamran Abbassi to answer is not hard its a simple one and it is 'no'. The best thing for Mr Kamran Abbassi would be to have a referendum with a yes & no vote on this blog. I agree with the views of Ramiz and Afridi that Pakistan team does not need a coach. There was a time not only the Pakistan team used to play without a foreign coach but no country had any foreign coach either and a local coach was just a formality to comply with. I think its a new fad that started with this new millennium and I dont know why is it so important now to have a foreign coach? I have been reading the previous thread and I was totally amused and entertained, as usual JAVED A. KHAN was the entertainer. Man you are hilarious if it wasn't for you on this blog it would have been a very boring blog like all other blogs. Ashaq its a shame that last time when I wrote in support of Javed Khan you backed me up for standing for him and now just because he pulled a faster one on you you've started nagging and whining. Come on be a Man just take his sarcasm with a pinch of salt instead of whining sobbing and digging out the old graves of who said what against him man just laugh over it. Whether you like it or not lemme tell you the fact, may be with your boxing background you try to punch him hard but you cannot match his wits and he always outwits you with a TKO. He is very creative and observant and presents his thoughts very well which makes his posts extremely hilarious and whenever I read his post I always laugh even in his very serious posts you'll always find something which makes you smile. I am definitely a fan of his writing style and I think he does that in a very light mood even you once acknowledged that he does it in jest and people should not take it seriously so why are you getting so charged up and nagging like an old lady now? I am still laughing on those punjaban comments of khansahab and Javed Khan especially the last line is so hilarious.

  • faisal on May 28, 2007, 17:41 GMT

    i think we don't need a coach. why...becoz when woolmer was coach he couldn't produce a world class opener even he couldn't fix the problem of some players. Opener Butt had a tendency to play a pull shot but he wasn't perfect he got out several times playing that wrong shot woolmer was there but he couldn't fix it same thing hameed had a tendency to play out side of the stump and he got out too several times but woolmer didn't do anything and when you talk about inzi, yousaf, and younas they have already been playing very good and they were super star before woolmer what did woolmer add in their ability ......i think nothing. so i think pakistan doesn't need a coach its just a waist of money.

  • Soulberry on May 28, 2007, 17:18 GMT

    Interesting perspective. My view of a coach at the highest level is one who is a manager first, who can thread every player together into a team. The, he must be astute enough to notice deficiencies and provide the remedy. It also helps if he understands newer developments in the game and can expose his charges to these new ideas.

    A captain is the boss, a coach is his counsel.

    For a coach to have effect the players have to be responsive, as you have correctly observed, Also, a good captain must be able to see the coach as a supplementary, sometimes complimentary, asset rather than an interference.

    Dav Whatmore's success with Sri Lanka in the mid-90's was because of these very aspects that existed in their team. The team, players and captain, and the board, all wanted a change in direction. An improvement.

    Arjuna was the boss, the players were keen students, and Whatmore was the wise counsel who supplemented and complemented Arjuna Ranatunga.

  • WASIM SAQIB on May 28, 2007, 17:12 GMT

    I have already expressed my views in detail about the subject in the previous thread. However, I would like to add a few lines again.

    Kamran, in 1992 if I am not, mistaken Intikhab was the manager and not the coach, but in those days the Idea of having a full time professional coach in international cricket was relatively new, and Pakistan's team manager was some times given the additional title of a coach also, but in reality the coaching of new players was done by Imran, Javed and Mudassar nazar. All three of them knew exactly how to nurture young players. The present team does not have any player who can match the stature of these three, and cricket has also changed a lot over the years it is becoming faster and more professional, requiring more Physical fitness more aggressiveness and the “era of individual brilliance” where one or two individuals in the team used to carry the whole team is over and is replaced by “Team cricket” where each player plays according to the role assigned to him and the whole team plays like a unit, in order to be an effective role player, a player must possess the requisite skills, a coach can only teach, but the burden of execution is completely on the player.

    Pakistan’s team is under the process of rebuilding and we have so many new and young players who do not have enough experience at the International level, the only way these players can get experience is either by BORROWING or by continuous TRIAL AND ERROR. As a nation we do not have any patience, we want instant results and in the past so many young players were given a chance or two and then they were discarded forever as they didn’t lived up to the expectations so I guess that the need for a coach is absolutely imperative.

    Pakistan’s team does not need a coach but a Coaching staff or a team of specialized coaches or assistant coaches.

    I think Wasim Akram, Aqib Javed should be the bowling coach PCB should also hire a leg spinner as an assistant coach,(certainly not Mushtaq Ahmed) these coaches should be rotated between the academy, National team and the U-19 team.

    As far as the batting coach is concerned In my opinion if Miandad cannot be hired Zaheer Abbas and Saeed Anwar should be hired, PCB is already planning to hire a foreign fielding coach and new fitness coach.

    I know a lot of people will advocate for a foreign Coach I think Pakistan should go for a local coaching staff and they should develop their Own Knowledge management software, training manual and Performance analysis software, we do have the technical expertise to do that so just for the sake of computer literacy we do not have to go for a foreign coach.

    If we will not hire a full time coach then it means that we will give more powers to the senior players and we will bring that KHALIFA CULTURE back, these players are known to exploit young players for their own advantage. PCB should distribute power and responsibility through segregation of duties, it will create less burden on the captain and he will perform better and as a team we will get better results.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on May 28, 2007, 16:00 GMT

    In my earlier post on this thread I have maintained my views about a foreign coach and also the prediction that the PCB will definitely go for a foreign coach and its only a matter of time that we will all come to hear a name. So, the discussion of having a desi coach or NO coach would be a futile one, so lets divert our energies about the needs and expectations that we have and what we would like to see in a foreign coach!

    In today's world of sports, the role of a coach is not just about coaching! Coaches are supposed to help and assist the players in developing to their full potential. And they are responsible for training the players not only by analyzing their past and present performances and by instructing them and, in honing and developing the relevant skills and, by providing them encouragement and, by sharing their own expertise, knowledge and experience. Also, he is responsible for providing the guidance to the players in life, not so much as in personal matters but, in updating them with the new laws, rules and regulations, about the usage of any banned substances and drugs or medication they may take it unknowingly, ignorantly and "paindooingly". Also, in controlling a regimen to keep the desired level of physical fitness.

    Therefore, the role of a coach is not restricted to coaching only but, it varies from a coach to an instructor, assessor, mentor, adviser, supporter, fact finder (by using technology - or others can help him in collecting data base), teacher, counselor etc. In relation to cricket in Pakistan, the coach may not need to create the motivation factor to instill energy in them, 'coz most of the players are already very highly motivated due to the cultural demand and the passion for the game. Therefore, the task of a coach is to maintain that level of motivation and also to generate excitement and enthusiasm through encouragement.

    The coach should be able to: communicate effectively with his team and, assist them to develop new skills, use evaluation methods to monitor training programmes and progress and, predict evaluation and performance. Therefore, you can see that it is a very difficult task and it requires a very special person who must understand the needs of the players, also understand the cultural background and the language of communication to understand the psyche of the players better.

    People keep saying that Bob Woolmer was a fast learner and he was able to communicate effectively with the players. I think its a bit of an exaggeration, the improvement in his communication was more in terms of his needs like, "ek chai doodh patti chahiyeh." Most of the time he must have been blank on the players grievances or when the Captain or a senior player may have shunned or snubbed one of the players by asking him not to raise an unnecessary issue in front of the coach. I think before hiring a foreign coach the PCB should also ask the coach to learn Urdu or may be Punjabi to have an effective level of communication between him and the players rather than using body language and isharay baazi.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on May 28, 2007, 13:58 GMT

    Kamran Abbassi, finally its good to see a new thread on the subject which is hot - but not as hot as a dancing Pun....N. As usual your caption and the contents misleads the readers or creates a controversy. The caption says: this team needs a coach and somewhere in the thread you have said:an experienced captain with an experienced team could do without a coach. Well, the team is still full of experienced players unless you mean 30 plus is experienced and the rest are inexperienced. I would say Fawad Alam and Najaf Shah are inexperienced players but, the rest of them have enough experience. Age is not always the criteria in judging a person or his abilities and, experience is also nothing if the person does not have the ability or the desire to learn.

    Whether we all agree or disagree on this issue, the PCB won't stop in hiring a foreign coach and I am one hundred percent sure they have already decided to hire a foreign coach and very soon we will know the name. I have always been against a foreign coach, if at all the Pakistan team needs a coach then, he must be from one of the ex-players. And, imo Javed Miandad has the experience and the ability to handle the team better than any other person available at the moment. W&W can remain as one of the bowling coaches not only with the team but, with the NCA. I also believe that Aaquib Javed will not be the right choice, because he does not have those qualities which Miandad has and also lacking the respect that a coach needs to command over his team. Besides, W&W may not like to work under Aaquib due to very obvious reasons, Waqar has clearly spelled it out in one of his interviews with Saleem Altaf. So, the team will not have the advantage if he is appointed as a full time coach.

    Considering the pros and cons of this matter, I think Rameez Raja has very wisely aired his views and Shahid Afridi backed it, because he is very vocal and blunt and others may not have the courage to speak up. In my previous post, I have mentioned that I am with this suggestion of "no-coach" and cited the example of how Imran Khan persuaded and convinced Inzi to play. Although Intikhab Alam was also there as a coach and, he was there like Qatar, people know where it is but, no one likes to go there. So, whats the point of having a coach only for namesake? If Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi, Mohammad Yousuf and Mohammad Asif can create the same camaraderie which they demonstrated in Abu Dhabi during the 2nd ODI, then you don't need an Imran Khan in every situation.

    I do agree with this notion that, the players have to open up their minds and be willing to learn from others. I think the only Khalifa in the team who would refuse to take any advice from others is, Shoaib Akhtar and that shouldn't be the worry for any captain, 'coz he is so frequently in and out of the team besides, he is a lonely wanderer who is over the vales and hills and his hey days are over and soon will be forgotten. As regards your comment, this Pakistan team is full of players with plenty of learning to do. Which team doesn't need learning or improving their techniques? The process of learning is unending and it never ceases, every time you have to deal with a new situation and adapt to it and change your approach and your technique accordingly, if you don't then you fail. So, the important thing is "attitude and adaptability" if they have the right attitude and are willing to be flexible and adaptable, they can do a lot better.

  • hanees on May 28, 2007, 13:22 GMT

    I dont think this pakistan team need a coach. Most of the Pakistan players are very natural players. So they play according to their birth telent.

  • Rauf on May 28, 2007, 12:59 GMT

    Kamran, I completely agree with you that a coach is required however; I disagree with you slightly on the role of a coach.

    A coach must possess sound and basic cricket techniques to groom the players but more importantly, he should be able to make the team (superstar or not) play as a team according to a set game plan. Bob was perhaps the best person to see this to maturity if it was not for his untimely demise.

    Basic skill set of the players should be mostly left to the batting/bowling/fielding coaches who can work with each player on an individual basis. These coaches should be experienced in their respective fields who have proven track records of playing domestic and international cricket on varying surfaces. We have plenty of talent in Pakistan from retired players who can fill this gap.

    While these "assistant coaches" work on the individual techniques, a coach can concentrate on building a team, setting a game plan and achievable goals. A coach must not become the "rock star" of the team and neither should any of the individual players because of their talent. Cricket is a team sport and players must learn to play as a team. To make them play as a team according to a game plan is perhaps the most important job of a coach and captain to a lesser degree.

    I give you example of Phil Jackson, who was Chicago Bulls basketball team coach in the 1990's. Prior to his arrival, Michael Jordan proved himself to be the best player on the planet however; Bulls did not win anything other then some of Jordan's heroics in some games. Phil braught with him a game plan but most importantly, he was able to convince the superstars to buy his game plan and play as a team. Same can be seen in the Aussies cricket team. Love them or hate them, they have their share of superstars but when the game is on, they are all part of it, superstar or not.

    This is what's been lacking in Pakistan team. We have talent, no doubt, we have larger then life superstars, yes and when they all get togather to play as a team, which happens only when hell is close to freezing over, then we win.

    Why Raja and Afridi are content with not having a coach? Only they can answer the logic behind it.

  • S. Sheikh on May 28, 2007, 12:19 GMT

    On this one I agree with RAaja & Afridi no point spending foreign exchane on foreign coaches our country have enough talent to do the job. Inisted money should be spent on making sporting pitches and grounds more money can be saved by not sending the PCB yoyo chairman every time the team goes out to play matches abroad, that money should be utilized for some other useful puposes inside the country. for batting techniques eg: Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Inzi etc. For allrounders Muddasar Nazar, Intikhab Alam or Majid Khan and for fast bowling Wasim akram, Waqar Younis and Aquib Javed though these are some stalwarts that can be used. My point we want to win without any foreign help that is pure victory it can be done if only our corrupt PCB wants to do it may Allah give them the wisdom. All the best for our team.

  • Amanzeb Khan on May 28, 2007, 11:47 GMT

    You are absolutely right. The team definitely needs a coach. Cricket has become a very high fitness and skill level sport. The role of coaches has evolved over time and today is a specialised field. The cricket itinerary has become so busy now that players and captains dont have the time for small details. Players frequently develop chinks in their techniques which they dont get time to correct unless they get professional help from a coach. And it is a fact that our team does not lack in cricketing ability. It lacks in the more finer points of the game like fitness, agility, fielding and running between the wickets. As far as the selection of coach is concerned we need a professionally trained coach. I would prefer it to be a foreign coach as our local coaches who are ex-players get embroiled in team politics. Miandad should not even be considered. As a player and a coach he has always been involved in politics. Additionally he wants complete control of the team and undermines the role of the captain which creates conflicts. I am hoping we manage to rope in Whatmore.

  • Ashaq on May 28, 2007, 11:47 GMT

    I personally think that the role of coach is over rated. A player can only improve if he chooses to do so.

    This requires a great deal of dedication on the part of the athlete himself and strong desire and Will to be the best.Improvement requires hours of repetitive practice.Countless more hours of watching videos and analysing the technique of cricketers from the past,and then trying to emulate their technique in practice.Video taping your own practise sessions to see where your going wrong,and then trying to rectify your technical deficiencies in training.

    Ultimately its about repetition,repetition,repetition.That is the only way an athlete can improve,its dull its boring its mundane.Only few have the patience to persevere.

    As for the candidate for coach I would like to put forward the name of our resident intellectual and expert on everything Javed.A.Khan. I remember watching an old movie were the lead character Walter.A.Hopkins was standing for election.Some one asked him what his middle name was he said I dont have one.So what does the 'A' stand for "oh I just added that one to make myself look more 'sophisticated'.Only thing missing is the title of 'Sir' however I think that the title of 'Colonel' can be added for effect.Colonel Javed.A.Khan coach extraordinaire this way our team will achieve the 2 most essential ingredients for success,Proper grammar and spelling.Who cares about cricketing strategy,fitness, technique e.t.c. these things are all overrated.What we need is players with good command of English,and perfection in grammar.The Australians will not be able to compete with us.The 'Colonel' will also be able to indulge in his favourite hobby in the diamond market.The poor old chap may never enjoy the pleasures of a "Nihari" but atleast he can indulge in " Bazaari dhal Saag" to his hearts content:-)For those who doubt the Colonel sahibs qualifications for coach I suggest they read my post on the previous thread,were I have listed all the strong qualitys of Colonel Javed sahib:-)

  • Tarak Oza on May 28, 2007, 11:39 GMT

    The article more or less stresses on the point whether the post of coach should exist in cricket or not. This applies to any team and not only Pakistan. As fas as Pakistan are concerned, it won't be a bad idea to try a series without a full fledged coach for the team. May be a manager cum coach could do.It may work in their favour as international players know very well that to perform on the field, you need only the captain who can take charge fully. Off the field, the strategies nowadays are prety open as all the players' strenghths and weaknesses are well known the world around. I think it is worth a try. If it does not click, you may any way go back to the policy of having full time coach. At least it will clarify at the end, whether a full time specialized coach makes a difference or not?

  • srivathsan on May 28, 2007, 11:26 GMT

    The game has become so professional that whether one likes it or not ,you need a coach.Infact the game is so compartmentalised that we now talk of seperate bowling coach, a fielding coach oher than the main coach.In the bowling you may need a spinner coach & a pace bowling coach as well.Iam surprised that rameez raja has advocated against the concept.It will be like a bus without a conductor or a classroom without a monitor.Gone are those days when players used to be self disciplined & went about playing the game with passion & purpose.Iam for a foreign coach for pakistan as they take it very easy with the local coach as has been evidenced when javed miandad was the coach even though he is equally capable like any other foreign coach.The use of hightech.gadgets like laptap has become inevitable & our local coaches are not adept in this area.As you have rightly pointed out,the players should be keen to learn & also respet the coach otherwise the whole process becomes reduntant.We can quote bangladesh where young players learnt a lot from whatmore & they reached super 8 stage where as both india & pakistan despite having best of coaches got eliminated in the firstround itself.YES PCB SHOULD APPOINT A FOREIGN COACH & EMPOWER HIM AS FOR AS ENFORCING DISCIPLINE IS CONCERNED SANS POLITICS.CAPTAIN SHOULD BE AT COACH'S PLACE DISCUSSING GAME & NOT THE COACH AT CAPTAIN'S HOME REQUESTING FOR A DAYS LEAVE.THEN THINGS WILL DEFINITELY GO WELL FOR PAK.CRICKET.

  • Abdur Razzak on May 28, 2007, 11:25 GMT

    without a doubt a coach or a guide is required.may be dean jones who has a tremendous knowledge about the game is a good option.pak players are naturally talented, so then the need is for somebody who can guide them on the technical side.

  • Rash on May 28, 2007, 11:22 GMT

    The biggest problem of pakis player is they have a echogistic problem that they are so experienced they dont require anybody's teaching technique like afridi commented recently, this afridi stupid he himself does not have consistency in his international carrier and advising not to hire a coach. In my view they need a coach but a national coach as mostly pakis are illiterate and never understand proper english "like essa likha moosa padha" so it would be better to be a urdu speaking coach rather than english.

  • omar hussain on May 28, 2007, 11:10 GMT

    Ramiz Raja and Afridi are making a mistake.Of all international teams we have urgent need of an experienced and flexible coach.Our players DO need someone to bring them down to earth and reality and to improvise their undoubted talents.Pakistan has always had talent and potential,we just don't have the disciplined domestic system required to build upon the raw material.We are also ages behind the rest of the world in promoting coaching and playing facilities for the average youth;our players should forget their egotism and accept the simple truth that 'practise make perfect'.

  • atta ul haq on May 28, 2007, 10:57 GMT

    i think aqib javed will be the best coach for pakistan.we dont need forein coach,because they love only money,they cant understand our mental level.but a pakistani coach can understand our players.and plezse dont change opening pair.because after a long time we got partnership more then 50 runs and i was so sad to see this change in third match against sri lanka.so please shoaib malik and all board member try to give them chance

  • Farooq Iqbal on May 28, 2007, 10:18 GMT

    Salaam O Alaikum! yup, that is so true that Pakistan do need a coach. Shahid Afrid does not need a coach because what he does, Even Miandad could not teach him not to do. Afridi could so much better if he had learnt anything from Miandad. But now that ship has sailed. Ramiz Raja, his time has gone, if he says "no coach", give him a benefit of doubt and ignore. OK now. Pakistan Team. My advice to Malik, boast the confidence boy. You are the CAPTAIN of TEAM. Don't be a joker no more, get serious buddy. It is an International team. You are such a good player, inspire other too. Team does need a coach. 4 years are still ahead. Imran Nazir, Salman Butt, Imran Frahat and ither new kids need to learn a lot. If they listen to Afridi then "GOD IS WITH US". I won't mind Aqib Javed, heck I won't mind Miandad back. Whoever the coach is, he should teach kids to fight, make their technique flawless. So Tim Boon is fit for the job, call him. But, Malik should watch some old matches of Imran and Wasim to learn captaincy skills or even talk to them. I am a hardcore Pakistan team fan so make me proud and make the Whole nation proud. Fight like champions. Don't ever lose like a wuss.

  • khansahab on May 28, 2007, 10:05 GMT

    Mr Abbasi,

    I agree with you; the team needs a coach. It is a headache as to who that coach should be. My greatest concern is that the coach will be able to familiarise the youngsters as to foreign playing conditions and train them in that regard. The importance of this cannot be undermined, considering the fact that our openers struggle anywhere outside the Subcontinent and that our best batsmen, Yousuf, Inzi and Younis do not have amazing records outside of the Subcontinent too. Something which worries me even more is that Woolmer was one of the best coaches of his era but even he could not capitalise on that weakness of the Pakistanis. It is ridiculous because we see many players around the globe who have a set weakness but they work on it constructively with their coaches and overcome those errors. Why can the Pakistanis not learn?

    Ashaq Bhai,

    Thank you for your message. I emulate Javed Bhai’s style because he is very original in his approach and he has a sound sense of humour. I do it in a light-hearted way. Perhaps you have overlooked it but Javed Bhai and I disagree over some issues too and when I am being myself I don’t think I sound like Javed Bhai. He is a decent person at heart despite his occasional condescending attitude. Since he is my elder and a very educated person, I don’t mind his occasional mocking comments.

    Rauf,

    3 out of my best 5 friends in my unhappy 20 year old life have been Punjabis (the other two were Memon and Baluchi). But they never spoke Punjabi so being brought up in Karachi as well as not having any Punjabi-speaking Punjabi friends, my Punjabi is very poor. I really didn’t understand that phrase of yours so I just came out with that Nach Punjaban joke.

    Awas,

    I don’t want my age to be promulgated any further but I don’t lie about it. I only have a go at posters’ language or spelling errors when they post their comments in a cocky and sarcastic style, or when they have the guts to challenge Javed Bhai or me. There are some people on this blog who make me burst out in laughter when they write, “Yes Kamran I *AM AGREE* with you” but I don’t mock them because they don’t challenge Javed Bhai or myself. Like that silly “Jamjar” was being sarcastic and saying Mr Abbasi would be jealous of me; this is not to butter Mr Abbasi but he obviously has some status as a cricket writer and you can see from the way he writes that he isn’t your run-of-the-mill blog owner.

  • Haris Siddiqi on May 28, 2007, 9:41 GMT

    I am not sure if anyone would like to coach the Pakistani cricket team. Its a job you can´t get out of alive.

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  • Haris Siddiqi on May 28, 2007, 9:41 GMT

    I am not sure if anyone would like to coach the Pakistani cricket team. Its a job you can´t get out of alive.

  • khansahab on May 28, 2007, 10:05 GMT

    Mr Abbasi,

    I agree with you; the team needs a coach. It is a headache as to who that coach should be. My greatest concern is that the coach will be able to familiarise the youngsters as to foreign playing conditions and train them in that regard. The importance of this cannot be undermined, considering the fact that our openers struggle anywhere outside the Subcontinent and that our best batsmen, Yousuf, Inzi and Younis do not have amazing records outside of the Subcontinent too. Something which worries me even more is that Woolmer was one of the best coaches of his era but even he could not capitalise on that weakness of the Pakistanis. It is ridiculous because we see many players around the globe who have a set weakness but they work on it constructively with their coaches and overcome those errors. Why can the Pakistanis not learn?

    Ashaq Bhai,

    Thank you for your message. I emulate Javed Bhai’s style because he is very original in his approach and he has a sound sense of humour. I do it in a light-hearted way. Perhaps you have overlooked it but Javed Bhai and I disagree over some issues too and when I am being myself I don’t think I sound like Javed Bhai. He is a decent person at heart despite his occasional condescending attitude. Since he is my elder and a very educated person, I don’t mind his occasional mocking comments.

    Rauf,

    3 out of my best 5 friends in my unhappy 20 year old life have been Punjabis (the other two were Memon and Baluchi). But they never spoke Punjabi so being brought up in Karachi as well as not having any Punjabi-speaking Punjabi friends, my Punjabi is very poor. I really didn’t understand that phrase of yours so I just came out with that Nach Punjaban joke.

    Awas,

    I don’t want my age to be promulgated any further but I don’t lie about it. I only have a go at posters’ language or spelling errors when they post their comments in a cocky and sarcastic style, or when they have the guts to challenge Javed Bhai or me. There are some people on this blog who make me burst out in laughter when they write, “Yes Kamran I *AM AGREE* with you” but I don’t mock them because they don’t challenge Javed Bhai or myself. Like that silly “Jamjar” was being sarcastic and saying Mr Abbasi would be jealous of me; this is not to butter Mr Abbasi but he obviously has some status as a cricket writer and you can see from the way he writes that he isn’t your run-of-the-mill blog owner.

  • Farooq Iqbal on May 28, 2007, 10:18 GMT

    Salaam O Alaikum! yup, that is so true that Pakistan do need a coach. Shahid Afrid does not need a coach because what he does, Even Miandad could not teach him not to do. Afridi could so much better if he had learnt anything from Miandad. But now that ship has sailed. Ramiz Raja, his time has gone, if he says "no coach", give him a benefit of doubt and ignore. OK now. Pakistan Team. My advice to Malik, boast the confidence boy. You are the CAPTAIN of TEAM. Don't be a joker no more, get serious buddy. It is an International team. You are such a good player, inspire other too. Team does need a coach. 4 years are still ahead. Imran Nazir, Salman Butt, Imran Frahat and ither new kids need to learn a lot. If they listen to Afridi then "GOD IS WITH US". I won't mind Aqib Javed, heck I won't mind Miandad back. Whoever the coach is, he should teach kids to fight, make their technique flawless. So Tim Boon is fit for the job, call him. But, Malik should watch some old matches of Imran and Wasim to learn captaincy skills or even talk to them. I am a hardcore Pakistan team fan so make me proud and make the Whole nation proud. Fight like champions. Don't ever lose like a wuss.

  • atta ul haq on May 28, 2007, 10:57 GMT

    i think aqib javed will be the best coach for pakistan.we dont need forein coach,because they love only money,they cant understand our mental level.but a pakistani coach can understand our players.and plezse dont change opening pair.because after a long time we got partnership more then 50 runs and i was so sad to see this change in third match against sri lanka.so please shoaib malik and all board member try to give them chance

  • omar hussain on May 28, 2007, 11:10 GMT

    Ramiz Raja and Afridi are making a mistake.Of all international teams we have urgent need of an experienced and flexible coach.Our players DO need someone to bring them down to earth and reality and to improvise their undoubted talents.Pakistan has always had talent and potential,we just don't have the disciplined domestic system required to build upon the raw material.We are also ages behind the rest of the world in promoting coaching and playing facilities for the average youth;our players should forget their egotism and accept the simple truth that 'practise make perfect'.

  • Rash on May 28, 2007, 11:22 GMT

    The biggest problem of pakis player is they have a echogistic problem that they are so experienced they dont require anybody's teaching technique like afridi commented recently, this afridi stupid he himself does not have consistency in his international carrier and advising not to hire a coach. In my view they need a coach but a national coach as mostly pakis are illiterate and never understand proper english "like essa likha moosa padha" so it would be better to be a urdu speaking coach rather than english.

  • Abdur Razzak on May 28, 2007, 11:25 GMT

    without a doubt a coach or a guide is required.may be dean jones who has a tremendous knowledge about the game is a good option.pak players are naturally talented, so then the need is for somebody who can guide them on the technical side.

  • srivathsan on May 28, 2007, 11:26 GMT

    The game has become so professional that whether one likes it or not ,you need a coach.Infact the game is so compartmentalised that we now talk of seperate bowling coach, a fielding coach oher than the main coach.In the bowling you may need a spinner coach & a pace bowling coach as well.Iam surprised that rameez raja has advocated against the concept.It will be like a bus without a conductor or a classroom without a monitor.Gone are those days when players used to be self disciplined & went about playing the game with passion & purpose.Iam for a foreign coach for pakistan as they take it very easy with the local coach as has been evidenced when javed miandad was the coach even though he is equally capable like any other foreign coach.The use of hightech.gadgets like laptap has become inevitable & our local coaches are not adept in this area.As you have rightly pointed out,the players should be keen to learn & also respet the coach otherwise the whole process becomes reduntant.We can quote bangladesh where young players learnt a lot from whatmore & they reached super 8 stage where as both india & pakistan despite having best of coaches got eliminated in the firstround itself.YES PCB SHOULD APPOINT A FOREIGN COACH & EMPOWER HIM AS FOR AS ENFORCING DISCIPLINE IS CONCERNED SANS POLITICS.CAPTAIN SHOULD BE AT COACH'S PLACE DISCUSSING GAME & NOT THE COACH AT CAPTAIN'S HOME REQUESTING FOR A DAYS LEAVE.THEN THINGS WILL DEFINITELY GO WELL FOR PAK.CRICKET.

  • Tarak Oza on May 28, 2007, 11:39 GMT

    The article more or less stresses on the point whether the post of coach should exist in cricket or not. This applies to any team and not only Pakistan. As fas as Pakistan are concerned, it won't be a bad idea to try a series without a full fledged coach for the team. May be a manager cum coach could do.It may work in their favour as international players know very well that to perform on the field, you need only the captain who can take charge fully. Off the field, the strategies nowadays are prety open as all the players' strenghths and weaknesses are well known the world around. I think it is worth a try. If it does not click, you may any way go back to the policy of having full time coach. At least it will clarify at the end, whether a full time specialized coach makes a difference or not?

  • Ashaq on May 28, 2007, 11:47 GMT

    I personally think that the role of coach is over rated. A player can only improve if he chooses to do so.

    This requires a great deal of dedication on the part of the athlete himself and strong desire and Will to be the best.Improvement requires hours of repetitive practice.Countless more hours of watching videos and analysing the technique of cricketers from the past,and then trying to emulate their technique in practice.Video taping your own practise sessions to see where your going wrong,and then trying to rectify your technical deficiencies in training.

    Ultimately its about repetition,repetition,repetition.That is the only way an athlete can improve,its dull its boring its mundane.Only few have the patience to persevere.

    As for the candidate for coach I would like to put forward the name of our resident intellectual and expert on everything Javed.A.Khan. I remember watching an old movie were the lead character Walter.A.Hopkins was standing for election.Some one asked him what his middle name was he said I dont have one.So what does the 'A' stand for "oh I just added that one to make myself look more 'sophisticated'.Only thing missing is the title of 'Sir' however I think that the title of 'Colonel' can be added for effect.Colonel Javed.A.Khan coach extraordinaire this way our team will achieve the 2 most essential ingredients for success,Proper grammar and spelling.Who cares about cricketing strategy,fitness, technique e.t.c. these things are all overrated.What we need is players with good command of English,and perfection in grammar.The Australians will not be able to compete with us.The 'Colonel' will also be able to indulge in his favourite hobby in the diamond market.The poor old chap may never enjoy the pleasures of a "Nihari" but atleast he can indulge in " Bazaari dhal Saag" to his hearts content:-)For those who doubt the Colonel sahibs qualifications for coach I suggest they read my post on the previous thread,were I have listed all the strong qualitys of Colonel Javed sahib:-)