Politics February 14, 2008

A letter to Australians

Cricketers have died or been seriously injured on the cricket field throughout the world while no cricketer has ever come to harm during Pakistan's "troubles".
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Dear Aussies,

We hear you swim with sharks yet you cannot walk the same earth as 160 million of your fellow men and women? Pakistan may be a country demonised by the world and dubbed a basket case by the world's media yet the ground reality is something very different.

Pakistan is a country struggling with its identity like many emerging countries--how to resolve Islam with the modern world?--but it is not a dangerous place, certainly not for international cricketers. Benazir Bhutto's death was a tragedy but a political assassination has no significance for Australians.

Many countries have toured Pakistan since your last refusal and all their players have returned home safely. Indeed, cricket is held in such esteem that it is equally loved by young women in designer shades and old men with unkempt beards. All the religious men I have ever met in Pakistan have loved cricket and relished the challenge of Australia.

Hence, your refusal seems strange to me, borne of a mental caricature of a country that bears no relationship with the "risks" that you will face. To me, this smacks of cultural imperialism, an unwillingness to properly understand and engage with the reality of a much poorer country.

Instead you wallow in the splendour of your rich world lifestyles. This whole approach is against the spirit of cricket, a game that has helped bridge social and political divisions and conflicts.

I fail to understand the risks you perceive you will be exposed to? As I have argued before, these risks are far smaller than driving a fast car, crossing the road, swimming with sharks or any of the extreme sports you are famous for indulging in. Cricketers have died or been seriously injured on the cricket field throughout the world while no cricketer has ever come to harm during Pakistan's "troubles".

Failing all that, if you do fear the bombers of Karachi more than the bombers of London, Colombo, or Mumbai then please stay at home but you should allow braver, hungrier, and more realistic cricketers to go in your place.

Surely the answer for Cricket Australia is to assemble a team of the willing and honour its commitment to international cricket? The alternative is an international game that becomes increasing divided by false fears into a game of the rich and poor. Cricket has always had greater significance than most sports, and your attitude does this great game a monumental disservice.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • Lily SweetJane on May 11, 2010, 5:50 GMT

    Undoubtfully nice article you have here. It'd be really cool to read a bit more about that theme. Thanks for posting this info.

  • Asif Sarfraz on February 24, 2008, 12:03 GMT

    Indians not touring now! Australians not touring! This is great! I can't believe how dumb our country is (Pakistan)! Can't really the teams for not touring!

  • Omer Admani on February 24, 2008, 1:59 GMT

    Philip, So suppose if I were Ricky Ponting and 'I' perceived my security wasn't guaranteed in SA, an arbitrary place, where most would visit, then should my judgement be deemed right? The point is that, if ACB deems the tour safe, if Indians are ready to come over to Pak as so are most other countries, and perhaps an A Australian team as well, why should some other Aussies be able to get away from it on the grounds of security as it clearly is their 'perception'. The point is not whether what the players percieve, but whether the ACB deems the tour saf or not. If other players can travel to 'prove a point' eventhough the visit would be unsafe then that tells me something is wrong with the ACB which is not holding its players' lives in good stead. However, when and if the ACB deems a tour safe, there shouldn't be room for such perception. Notice the bottomline is visiting is unsafe or safe. CA should decide whichever way but 'individual perceptions' shouldn't be the essence here.

  • rext on February 23, 2008, 22:42 GMT

    Sorry Javed Khan, but when your middle stump's been knocked out of the ground you're out and that's all there is to it! Your answer to my question re Speed etc and Pakspin is...........? Your credibility's on the line or are you all hot air? It's hard to escape the conclusion that if all the village idiots started their own village you would still be the village idiot! You enjoy putting others less able to defend themselves down but can't handle it when someone knocks your middle stump out, can you? An eye for an eye makes everone blind, so why not use the intelligence you obviously have constructively and stop simply attacking and ridiculing Indians and Australians simply because their view of the World, Cultures and priorities are different to yours? The basic fact is that at the moment Pakistan is not considered safe Internationally and whether that's accurate or not the images we see on our TV screens repeatedly reinforce that message.

  • Philip John Joseph on February 23, 2008, 17:35 GMT

    To HSH:

    You raise a good point about the ICL versus the IPL. The behaviour of the BCCI has been an absolute disgrace. I support the free market and the "right" to behave like an immature fool as the BCCI properly demonstrates, but that doesn't change the fact that the BCCI is a disgusting and disreputable organization staffed by the dregs of India, like Sharad Pawar. Since the creation of the ICL and the treatment it has received at the hands of the BCCI, I am quite happy to see the BCCI XI, also known as the Indian national cricket team, get's it's rear end wiped on the floor by anyone, including the imperialist Aussies. The BCCI should be brought to it's knees for it's arrogance and incompetence. Death to the BCCI.

  • Jahangir on February 23, 2008, 16:07 GMT

    To all those people that have raised caution in respect to the assassination of a political figure in Pakistan of late, in accordance with that reasoning countries like the USA are definitely off-limits to you, as it is has one of the greatest number of political assassinations in the world.

  • venkat on February 23, 2008, 15:17 GMT

    to all pak fans i had to intervene only becos u kept comparin ur pak security situation with ours. the reality is quite different to b honest. its not that nothin wrong happens in india. it does but lot lesser. u talk about the loss of lives due to terrorism im sure it will b kashmir and the northeastern states which ud have bore the brunt and the other states basically negligible.fact remains that the majority muslims in kashmir wants to have their separate identity inspite of all the indian sops and so pakistan has always been succesful in helpin those who want a muslim rule in kashmir.also it is a proxy war becos pak army dont have to get involved.i think ur isi does lot of things which u dont know so talkin about them to u is futile. my point is most pakistan fans find solace in indias trouble to forget theirs. no terrorism in gujarat only communal violence and i bet if samething happened in pak it ud have been hidden.shia killings anybody?

  • madhuri Sarkar on February 23, 2008, 13:13 GMT

    Australia team always proved to be the most opportunistic and they always proved to be at the top by any means, the example of sedney test with India is the best example of it. So it should not be surprising if they refuse to visit Pakistan handing over the security reason,IPL happened and the timing of the players were right to make some good money,I think Ausssies should have atleast the sports ethics before providing such reasons,Now that there are the options of India playing three one day in March if Aussies cancle their trip, it should be clear to the kangaroos that if India can visit pak so can they.

  • Awas on February 23, 2008, 10:42 GMT

    Rahul

    It’s quite right we get foreign help if needed as we are not arrogant or self sufficient in everything. If I don’t know something, I would admit, put my hand up and say “sorry I don’t know it, can someone else help”. Perhaps India is self sufficient in everything and it doesn’t get anything at all from anywhere else in the world. So good infact that after a blast of any kind, a minister that rushes there for a photo shoot also finds the evidence right there and declares it has a Pakistani hand. You don’t need any investigators; you all are ‘know it all’.

    You said “Please read articles and understand them before commenting”. I did actually read that particular article and understood it as well. I didn’t “comment” on it, you did. I just posted the link with that headline. It doesn’t change the fact that India is second best after Iraq ;)-

    Democracy “hardly exists” in Pakistan may well be true but in a country where a chief minister of a state can justify murder without any kind of retribution is nothing but a sham democracy.

  • Awas on February 23, 2008, 10:41 GMT

    Venkat

    Read some nice comments of your countrymen and learn from them istead of uttering nonsense. Firstly, according to you terrorism you have was “just an aberration” and when I showed you the mirror that it is second only to Iraq, you have twisted the whole thing into “terrorism in India exists only in Kashmir and north-eastern states”. Tell me where is your Parliament and Gujarat? You mention that “Pak used to wage a proxy war” but would it have happened if your government had not committed untold atrocities on those people? If it really is ISI then it’s a shame that the great Indian Army can’t even stop them entering. It’s amazing how you see Pakistan everywhere in India.

    You are challenging me that there is still martial law in Pakistan. I don’t think you know what the term means really. Its looks like I am wasting my time on your intelligence which is non-existent.

    AB

    I appreciate your welcome comment. The three of us decided to return after all to counter quite unnecessary snide remarks being hurled at Pakistan by some imbeciles.

  • Lily SweetJane on May 11, 2010, 5:50 GMT

    Undoubtfully nice article you have here. It'd be really cool to read a bit more about that theme. Thanks for posting this info.

  • Asif Sarfraz on February 24, 2008, 12:03 GMT

    Indians not touring now! Australians not touring! This is great! I can't believe how dumb our country is (Pakistan)! Can't really the teams for not touring!

  • Omer Admani on February 24, 2008, 1:59 GMT

    Philip, So suppose if I were Ricky Ponting and 'I' perceived my security wasn't guaranteed in SA, an arbitrary place, where most would visit, then should my judgement be deemed right? The point is that, if ACB deems the tour safe, if Indians are ready to come over to Pak as so are most other countries, and perhaps an A Australian team as well, why should some other Aussies be able to get away from it on the grounds of security as it clearly is their 'perception'. The point is not whether what the players percieve, but whether the ACB deems the tour saf or not. If other players can travel to 'prove a point' eventhough the visit would be unsafe then that tells me something is wrong with the ACB which is not holding its players' lives in good stead. However, when and if the ACB deems a tour safe, there shouldn't be room for such perception. Notice the bottomline is visiting is unsafe or safe. CA should decide whichever way but 'individual perceptions' shouldn't be the essence here.

  • rext on February 23, 2008, 22:42 GMT

    Sorry Javed Khan, but when your middle stump's been knocked out of the ground you're out and that's all there is to it! Your answer to my question re Speed etc and Pakspin is...........? Your credibility's on the line or are you all hot air? It's hard to escape the conclusion that if all the village idiots started their own village you would still be the village idiot! You enjoy putting others less able to defend themselves down but can't handle it when someone knocks your middle stump out, can you? An eye for an eye makes everone blind, so why not use the intelligence you obviously have constructively and stop simply attacking and ridiculing Indians and Australians simply because their view of the World, Cultures and priorities are different to yours? The basic fact is that at the moment Pakistan is not considered safe Internationally and whether that's accurate or not the images we see on our TV screens repeatedly reinforce that message.

  • Philip John Joseph on February 23, 2008, 17:35 GMT

    To HSH:

    You raise a good point about the ICL versus the IPL. The behaviour of the BCCI has been an absolute disgrace. I support the free market and the "right" to behave like an immature fool as the BCCI properly demonstrates, but that doesn't change the fact that the BCCI is a disgusting and disreputable organization staffed by the dregs of India, like Sharad Pawar. Since the creation of the ICL and the treatment it has received at the hands of the BCCI, I am quite happy to see the BCCI XI, also known as the Indian national cricket team, get's it's rear end wiped on the floor by anyone, including the imperialist Aussies. The BCCI should be brought to it's knees for it's arrogance and incompetence. Death to the BCCI.

  • Jahangir on February 23, 2008, 16:07 GMT

    To all those people that have raised caution in respect to the assassination of a political figure in Pakistan of late, in accordance with that reasoning countries like the USA are definitely off-limits to you, as it is has one of the greatest number of political assassinations in the world.

  • venkat on February 23, 2008, 15:17 GMT

    to all pak fans i had to intervene only becos u kept comparin ur pak security situation with ours. the reality is quite different to b honest. its not that nothin wrong happens in india. it does but lot lesser. u talk about the loss of lives due to terrorism im sure it will b kashmir and the northeastern states which ud have bore the brunt and the other states basically negligible.fact remains that the majority muslims in kashmir wants to have their separate identity inspite of all the indian sops and so pakistan has always been succesful in helpin those who want a muslim rule in kashmir.also it is a proxy war becos pak army dont have to get involved.i think ur isi does lot of things which u dont know so talkin about them to u is futile. my point is most pakistan fans find solace in indias trouble to forget theirs. no terrorism in gujarat only communal violence and i bet if samething happened in pak it ud have been hidden.shia killings anybody?

  • madhuri Sarkar on February 23, 2008, 13:13 GMT

    Australia team always proved to be the most opportunistic and they always proved to be at the top by any means, the example of sedney test with India is the best example of it. So it should not be surprising if they refuse to visit Pakistan handing over the security reason,IPL happened and the timing of the players were right to make some good money,I think Ausssies should have atleast the sports ethics before providing such reasons,Now that there are the options of India playing three one day in March if Aussies cancle their trip, it should be clear to the kangaroos that if India can visit pak so can they.

  • Awas on February 23, 2008, 10:42 GMT

    Rahul

    It’s quite right we get foreign help if needed as we are not arrogant or self sufficient in everything. If I don’t know something, I would admit, put my hand up and say “sorry I don’t know it, can someone else help”. Perhaps India is self sufficient in everything and it doesn’t get anything at all from anywhere else in the world. So good infact that after a blast of any kind, a minister that rushes there for a photo shoot also finds the evidence right there and declares it has a Pakistani hand. You don’t need any investigators; you all are ‘know it all’.

    You said “Please read articles and understand them before commenting”. I did actually read that particular article and understood it as well. I didn’t “comment” on it, you did. I just posted the link with that headline. It doesn’t change the fact that India is second best after Iraq ;)-

    Democracy “hardly exists” in Pakistan may well be true but in a country where a chief minister of a state can justify murder without any kind of retribution is nothing but a sham democracy.

  • Awas on February 23, 2008, 10:41 GMT

    Venkat

    Read some nice comments of your countrymen and learn from them istead of uttering nonsense. Firstly, according to you terrorism you have was “just an aberration” and when I showed you the mirror that it is second only to Iraq, you have twisted the whole thing into “terrorism in India exists only in Kashmir and north-eastern states”. Tell me where is your Parliament and Gujarat? You mention that “Pak used to wage a proxy war” but would it have happened if your government had not committed untold atrocities on those people? If it really is ISI then it’s a shame that the great Indian Army can’t even stop them entering. It’s amazing how you see Pakistan everywhere in India.

    You are challenging me that there is still martial law in Pakistan. I don’t think you know what the term means really. Its looks like I am wasting my time on your intelligence which is non-existent.

    AB

    I appreciate your welcome comment. The three of us decided to return after all to counter quite unnecessary snide remarks being hurled at Pakistan by some imbeciles.

  • venkat on February 23, 2008, 5:53 GMT

    these idiots compare the obligation of their caucasian wives to visit their country to unobligatory cricket tour of australian team to pakistan. enuff said.

  • ghulam on February 23, 2008, 3:56 GMT

    damn da wussies r coming!

  • HSH on February 23, 2008, 2:53 GMT

    Why is the ICL a taboo but IPL fair game? Why are players banned for participating in one league but allowed to do so in the other league? Is it simply because cricket establishment is made up of thick headed control freaks?

  • Philip John Joseph on February 23, 2008, 0:06 GMT

    To Theossa: As far as the excuse of security is concerned, personally I believe it because I know Aussies are cowards. Would I tour if Al Qaeda put me in the category of "Dajjal worshipping imperialist infidel/kaffir"? No, I would not, but I admit that I would not consider myself a coward because of it, rather somebody who acknowledges the capability of an organization that has brought the United States Armed Forces to it's knees both militarily and psychologically. That said, I consider Aussies cowards for other reasons not including their unwillingness to tour but a coward would certainly not want to tour Pakistan. The question of senior players versus junior players to me is one of costs versus benefits. I have an English friend who visited some dodgy areas of Yemen a couple of months ago. Some of the Aussies might be like him and elect to tour. I don't see it as a case of junior versus senior, but rather who is willing to take the risk to prove a point to the Aussie selectors.

  • Philip John Joseph on February 22, 2008, 23:04 GMT

    To Venkat and Kunal:

    To Venkat:

    The only passport or travel document I have ever had is that of the Republic of India. Ditto for my parents, grandparents etc. That said, as you may perceive from my name, many might consider my credentials as an "Indian" to be dubious besides my passport. India versus Chicago? Well America is relatively crime-ridden compared to say wealthy Western European countries, so I can't speak for Chicago. My statements are based on the lack of financial resources available to the Indian government to employ enough cops to cover the country effectively. If you are satisfied with Indian security, that's what counts in your case. Personally I feel that India needs more cops to better control human nature.

    To Kunal:

    You are right that I am a Non-Resident Indian, but I am not that far away. Sultanate of Oman and I used to spend a month and a half every year in Kerala. Security in Kerala is sort of okay except for potentially violent strikes.

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 22, 2008, 21:12 GMT

    I would like to see a thread on Indian Pro. League, IPL. But the debate on this "letter to Australians" is getting interested by the day. First, I must admit that theossa made some useful and valid points by responding in a befitting manner to the unnecessary fears that the Australian team is talking about and, our so-called Indian well-wishers are adding fuel to the fire and trying to make Pakistan look like a war-torn zone and it is full of terrorists etc. "Bravo, D'Kunal et D'Venkat you are d'always lik dis won lee, so be worginal and be happy." Rahul Bhattachariya, it doesn't matter if democracy doesn't exist in Pakistan, because it doesn't exist in this whole world anymore, if you think India is a democratic, socialistic, secular republic then you are living in a fools paradise who loves political jargons. And forget about Zia's plane crash, tell me how did Sanjeev Gandhi's plane crash? I think it must be Al-Qaida, right? Yes we know the "histiry af India" where the name Gandhi is worshiped but, they kill any Gandhi that comes to power. Mahatma, Indira, Sanjeev, Rajiv and whose rext? Btw, you may come out of the Vietnamese trench holes and learn to say Wo Ai Nee which is equivalent to what you blabbed. Faraz the first, man just leave 'em loose and let them bark, they are the biggest hypocrites in the world.

  • Ab on February 22, 2008, 19:31 GMT

    The IPL is bagging many international star studed players. The IPL cricket League should be extrenely entertaining and competetive. The ipl will be a huge promotion for cricket if it goes according to plan.

    And finally Great to see Khanshab , Awas and Javed A khan returning to pak spin.

  • Rahul on February 22, 2008, 19:01 GMT

    JAK,you outdo yourself everytime you write.Sure the world knows who the real terrorists are- Australians are just confirming the same for everyone's benefit. No coups in pakistan? I wonder if you have read about the history of pakistan. If military rule was elected by the people then i guess your army generals must be participating in elections, else the only way military comes to power is by overthrowing a civilian government which is termed as a coup and there have been 3 so far in pak histiry. Please re read your history. I guess "juidicial murders" or "we dont know how it happenned" are the euphemisms that pakistan has used for assasinating the bhuttos, zia,etc. JAK, most of the pak players have signed up for the ICL and IPL and no one seems willing to play domestic cricket in pak. I wonder why? Please help illuminate us with your views, as you seem to have a view on anything or everything under the sun and everytime you provide one you show your high IQ (Idiocy Quotient).

  • Kunal on February 22, 2008, 18:44 GMT

    Venkat

    U r so ded rite man. Dese people r just consoling demselves.

    Most of the Pakistanis living in UK/North America (and most of the Pakistani posters are from these places) do not have too much knowledge about the security situation in India They are just going by what they see and read in the western media.

    Philip John Joseph- Do you live in India that you can talk about the law and order situaton in India with so much conviction?

  • theossa, Pittsburgh, U.S.A. on February 22, 2008, 18:42 GMT

    frednork Assuming security is the concern, are you trying to say that Aussies A team would risk their lives for monitory reward? Rubbish. Truth is some senior Australian players are very keen to play for IPL along with some Pakistani players, and security was just an excuse.

    Karan You wrote, “Killing Aus A team will not have the same impact as that of the national team”. What can I say? This is probably the silliest comment made on this entire blog. So Australia will send their A team to Pakistan as if they want to spare the likes of Ponting, Symonds, Lee? No matter who gets killed, the press will be all over Pakistan so impact won’t be any different. IPL sounds charming but we don’t wanna give up ODIs and tests yet.

    Philip John Joseph You are still missing the point here; the excuse was security, the players did not come out and say, they wanna play for IPL instead or there is no night life in Pakistan and tour will be boring. So if the concern is security than it remains the same for junior players. I think that’s what Shahid was trying to say.

    Some of the posts are bashing oversee Pakistanis for living abroad and talking about security in Pakistan. We are abroad not because of security but either for socioeconomic reasons or simply brought by relatives who immigrated before us. Last year I took my wife to Pakistan, she is Caucasian, she never felt threatened even in the frontier province, which media projects to be the hot spot for terrorism. She was so impressed by the warmth and hospitality of Pakistani people that she can’t wait to visit again. She is an American country girl and will beat the most so called tough nosed Aussies who are wetting their diapers when asked about touring Pakistan. I hold dual nationality, I would stand by U.S. on issues I feel just as I took allegiance but to think that I’ll simply forget Pakistan is naive.

  • Rahul on February 22, 2008, 18:40 GMT

    Awas-"no one knows how the plane crashed"? Well then pakistani authorities must be pretty inept, if they could not figure the reason for the plane crash (just like they could not figure how ms. bhutto was assasinated-they needed scotland yard for that). Guess "we dont know how it happened"is a euphemism for assasination in pakistan. As for the second point regarding the number of death, wee my friend as a %age of the total population the deaths due the unfortunate act of terrorsim is still less than the %age for pakistan. Please read articles and understand them before commenting. And atleast the indian media can report what it thinks is crictical for the government to take action, unlike the pak media-if they write anything against the government mouthpiece, their offices are ransacked- remember GEO TV. And i guess if you study pak history, you will get to know, that it has a history of coups and assasination. Democracy as the world knows hardly exists in pakistan.

  • Faraz (the first Faraz on all of Kamran's blogs) on February 22, 2008, 16:06 GMT

    I was yearning that Kamran speak on this subject lame reservations Aussies have cited to avoid touring Pakistan and Kamran has come out golden!!

    Kamran has struck the right chord here. To be honest one has to look at the timing of the excuses the autralian cricketers have made and the IPL auctioning -- go figure !

    Anyways, I am of the right wing opinion on this issue. Australians can go fly a kite for the time of their tour and we can call over Zimbabwe, Kenya and Ireland and help them up the ladder against the wishes of the ECCB, CA and ICC.

    For the Indians blogging here: You folks should not let even hot air escape out of your bodies let alone point fingers at us; what harbajhan singh and your crowds did to Symonds is an abomination unparalleled. Ask the South Africans, Zimbabweans or even your own team mates, how they have been treated in Pakistan instead of falsifying stories to tarnish the best cricket fan base in the world.

    Pakistan Zindabad Pakistan Paeendabad!

  • rext on February 22, 2008, 11:55 GMT

    Planet Earth to JAVED A KHAN. I'm sure you're actually a really nice guy. For a pompous egotist! Put up or shut up. Provide any proof whatsoever that Speed et al read Pakspin and I'll acknowledge it graciously. But do take some time to peruse your well worn book of famous quotes before replying though as we are all waiting with bated breath for your pontifications from on high. "Anh yeu em" Javed, it's Vietnamese (much more exotic and much less pretentious than your French!)

  • Salman Ilyas on February 22, 2008, 7:44 GMT

    With due respect to some bloggers I think it is bad for cricket if IPL succeed. It is excite to watch all foreign playes playing for IPL but it makes the International cricket much boring. Since the twenty-twenty world championship I am not watching the 50 overs matches as the same passion as before.. and it turns cricket into the soccer sort of league cricket (like la liga or premier league)You guys watching the leagues match regularly and forget the International soccer which merely happens..lot of guys agree with me that we only watch Fifa world cup when it is happen.. IPL and ICL does the same to cricket.

  • venkat on February 22, 2008, 4:43 GMT

    philip i dont know whether u r an indian r even if u r an indian whether u r livin in india becos i live in india and as far as i know india is as safe as chicago becos i have lived there as well. as for the terrorism in india exists only in kashmir and northeastern states. there is no denyin the pak used to wage a proxy war by armin those militants in kashmir and also training terrorists in the northeast thru their isi link.i know pak fans wont accept but this is a fact accepted by CIA.see i want pak to live peacefully but i think pakistanis dont want indians to live so. they ud rather see us die even if in the process sacrifice some of their lives as well. also our media is totally unbiased r else narendra modi wont b portrayed as villian anywhere becos people udnt just know.awas r u still not under martial law? i challenge u to shout slogans against mushraf after 6 on the road and see what happens.gud luck with that hahaha

  • frednork on February 22, 2008, 4:32 GMT

    the IPL has nothing to do with it... SYmonds if he opts out of going to pakistan is not to be allowed to play ipl. two players have previously been able to opt out of a tour and only for pretty strong reasons - Roy will be putting his CA contract in jepoardy if he doesnt go. so the decision to go is pureley with Cricket Australia, and CA has not showing a great deal of leniancy towards the IPL apart from lettin gplayers participate if they have NO CA committments. so - it is in Cricket Australias interests that the tour goes ahead - they get money for it, but they get nothing for the IPL.

  • Smasher79 on February 22, 2008, 1:39 GMT

    venkat -> Aus tour of pak is none of ur probs is it? :) No need to feel sorry for pak bro. I m sure india got bigger probs. But no more political comments. U are a nationalist well done.

    Karan --> Can u be more stupid in ur analysis mate. Comparing a cricket team with ur movie stars. U k Bro ? FYI it doesnt matter whether its someone big or someone minor, life of every aussie matters to Australian authorities. They advised ponting n co not to travel, but why australia A. I believe Aussie A was an easier target for terrorists. And if u read the latest news u will find a news of Ponting complaining about low salary from ICL :) HOWZ THAT--- Money Money Money LOL I think Aussies are only bringing disgrace to themselves by showing double standards.

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 22, 2008, 1:17 GMT

    Karan - please don't compare IPL with regular cricket. This whole IPL drama is like a bawdy-house, the players are lined up like a bai with price tags and designer labels. They will play, because they have been paid, rather sold, but they will have no emotions, no passion, no fervor, no fire, no zeal, no enthusiasm except the lust and greed for money. When a player plays for the country his feelings and his emotions are different. If the die-hard Indian fans who have nothing else to do may watch the "noora kushti" and be happy. And please don't try to sugarcoat Shiv Sena's activities, to satisfy yourself you may bury your own head under the sand or in the computer screen and be happy and content, but remember the world is not naive. Al Qaida has nothing to do with Pakistan, in fact Pakistan is the only country who is fighting a war against the terrorists. Go and look at the history and origin of Shiv Sena and then talk about it on some other forum but not here.

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 22, 2008, 0:59 GMT

    Johnny Bravo - I am not aware of SriKanth's incident, but is that a dangerous act? They must have been attracted by his body contours and wanted to have a closer look. ;-) Btw, if you love such petty incidents then here is a list of facts: Who sliced the palm of Hanif Mohammad with a razor blade in Bombay after he scored 160 runs in the opening test? Was that a "dosti" ka handshake? Hanif couldn't play the second test. And who shot air gun pellets in New Delhi at Andrew Flintoff? And, who punched Greg Chappell on his face? Who set fire into the stadium when Tendulkar was given run out by the umpire in Asia Cup played in Kolkata? Who steal a pair of socks from Marks & Spencer store in London? Naah, lets not go into this 'coz the list is endless .... aur matra bhoomi pay kalang ka tika lag jai ga. That will make you Johnny Embarrassedly.

  • Sach on February 21, 2008, 23:47 GMT

    To be fair to the Australian team they may also be under pressure from their families not to go to Pakistan, which like it or not Pakistan fans has a very poor reputation at the moment. India, is by no means safe but the problems in India are internal and not directly against the West unlike Pakistan. Anyway, even if Australia do go would they really play their best cricket in such circumstances? If Pakistan won it would be a tainted victory. Pakistan should use this as motivation to show the world their talent when the next oppotunity comes. Nothing like a bit of mutual anger to make a team gel and play well!

  • Irfan on February 21, 2008, 21:19 GMT

    Although I stay away from the sledgings and the insinuations that go on here I must say NICELY DONE rext!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely hilarious! It is worthy of being included in a Canadian Political comedy show AirFarce Live!!!!

  • Johnny Dangerously on February 21, 2008, 19:18 GMT

    Hey "JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA" what about the fact that some crazed Pakistan fan'atic rushed on a field and tore off Srikanths jersey attempting much worse.Is this an example of how "safe" Pakistan is?

  • Rauf on February 21, 2008, 18:57 GMT

    To Shahid at February 20, 2008 8:43 PM

    I will answer your question in few words. As they say... "It's the money stupid". Senior Aussie players have been sold to IPL teams for big money. If they tour Pakistan then that means they don't get enough playing days in IPL which means a pay cut. Out of all the people Symonds is the most vocal in his opposition and because of his vocal opposition, he is getting $1.35 million because IPL knows he will be available for the full IPL season. Same Symonds who made such a big deal about monkey chants. So much for self respect... huh Symmo :)

    Aussies know that their "security concern" is just a hogwash which no sane person will buy. They want to go for the tour so PCB doesn't sue them for breach of contract and they don't come across as brats so in comes bunch of second tier players.

    It's all about the money... allways.

  • Awas on February 21, 2008, 10:26 GMT

    Ric – “Zia was assassinated”? That’s a new twist concocted in your mind…what a revelation!!! The whole world is wrong then as the fact is no one knows how the plane crashed.

    Rahul – You are howling so much about the western media. As it’s your own media that “projects India correctly” then see below.

    VENKAT – Kat the crap out and learn something nice from what Irfan and Philip John Joseph said above. But you are so insulated in your own cocoon that something good would have just passed you and you wouldn’t even notice. “Controlled media”, “martial law”? What world do you live in? You must still be living in the past or you have not woken up from your slumber yet, otherwise you wouldn’t believe what All India Radio just tells you.

    You call your terrorism “an aberration”? Read what your own Times of India mentioned recently with the headline “India loses maximum lives to terror except Iraq” http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2312796.cms

  • Philip John Joseph on February 21, 2008, 9:45 GMT

    To Shahid:

    The second-tier Australian team idea seems to be with regard to allowing players the option of deciding for themselves. I don't think it would be equivalent to Cricket Australia saying that the back-up players are worth less as human beings than the first-line players. Rather they are selecting a team based on whomever is willing to go. By definition that would result in a second-tier team because certain players would opt out; but I don't think that makes Cricket Australia a discriminatory organization that devalues the lives of their bench players. This tour has essentially become an "optional" tour and not everyone is available.

    To posters in general:

    The law and order situation in India is bad. That said, a good way to compare Pakistani security to Indian security is to check with the insurance companies. Terrorism insurance for Pakistan is almost impossible to get. In India it is still possible. Therefore India is dangerous but still safer than Pakistan.

  • Salman Ilyas on February 21, 2008, 7:53 GMT

    I have a suggestion that Boards should switch the tours and now Pakistan should go to Australia and Aussie delay thier tour next year..Mr Kamran Abbasi you should write an article and ask peoples about it. It is quite reasonable. (why don't you include poll survey in your blog?)

  • Karan on February 21, 2008, 6:19 GMT

    Contine....

    4) To go to IPL is the wish of the players as the threat is lesser and money is more. But their IPL contract says they have to give preference to National duties and camps. So the decision is with CA and not the players or public.

    5) As a cricket lover and a neutral spectator (not Aussie not Pak) what would I like to see, well I would like to see the aussies and the Pak players in the IPL. WHich i think will be more competitive than the Aus-Pak series. It would be great to see Shoaib and Brett lee bowl to likes of gilchrist & symonds. Murlidaran bowl and Dhoni the keeper. Malinga / Lee / pollock to bowl and Shahid Afridi to bat against them. I mean common, all the top players are playing side by side and against each other makes a more competitive scenario and great viewing as compared to a dull draw on a flat pitch or a one sided contest. As cricket lovers we have to see whats better & more challenging. Both boards should postpone tour and allow players to play IPL.

  • Karan on February 21, 2008, 6:11 GMT

    Please note a few points although a lot has been said already : 1) Aus A team is not the same as Aus National team. Players like Ponting, Symo, Lee etc are big. Killing an Aus A team will not have the same impact as that of the national team. If the terrorists wanna have an impact whom will they rather kill Amitabh Bachchan or some junior artist who no one knows ? So please dont compare the threat between Aus A team and the main one. 2. The South Africa & England series were way back last year and things have become volatile only in the last 4-5 months which has seen Benazir killing, Judge sackings, Emergency, Violence and regular suicide blasts. 3.Shiv Sena is a extremist political party (like several in Pak) who can dig pitches, prevent people from going to stadium, disrupt traffic and shout slogans of 'Hai Hai' but they are not a terror outfit who have weapons and can blow up themselves killing several others.

  • venkat on February 21, 2008, 4:16 GMT

    well india is a very big country and every little news of violence in even the smallest pocket of the country becomes hot news for media who always look for something controversial. if pak media was like indian media may b they ud have started a separate news channel for suicide bombings and terrorists. by the way im not national jingo here but i cant digest teh fact that pak people rather than facin their probs and solvin them console themselves thinkin that india is as bad as well which is not true. i feel sorry for pakistan to b honest but also know thou sow thou reap.these terrorists were all nurtured by pakistan against india with the tag of freedom fighters

  • Omer Admani on February 21, 2008, 1:23 GMT

    Shahid makes a good point above, that what applies to sernior players, in theory, should apply to junior ones. A tour where Australia sends an A team is not worth having. Besides, if Pak beat them, then it was the A team. If Pak lose, Pak 'even' lost to the Australian A team. What's the point of such a tour?

  • smasher79 on February 21, 2008, 1:16 GMT

    Venkat--> I can see you came on to this blog with a very negative and nationalistic frame of mind but you see my friend we believe in what we see, so none is brainwashed by the media. Read the comments above carefully its the indians comparing the sits. And violence does prevail in india in one form or the other. You can laugh if u want but no further replies to you as i can see you are not really an intellectual and logical type. No offense but u need to know.

  • frednork on February 21, 2008, 0:38 GMT

    shadid to answer your question, its a matter of risk vs reward. A senior player who is assured of their place in the Oz team has no reason to take the risk, their decision is based more on safety of themselves. An "A" player would probably take the opportunity to play in Pak as they might feel the reward outweighs the risk. if Cricket Australia dangled $1.5 mil to Symonds for him to play in Pak, he might actually play. as for sending a team, CA has deemed the tour to be safe (ableit for a shortened period - IPL notwithstanding) and players are given the option to go. Given Johnson, Clark and Haddin are refusing to play IPL and Ponting and Hayden only avaliable for part of it, 1 can assume that the majority of players are going. as for the right for players to refuse to tour - Murali has refused to tour Oz due to the treatment he receives from fans (and our previous PM)- dont blame him, and 1 could argue he was refusing on the same grounds that any OZ might refuse a tour of Pak

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 20, 2008, 23:52 GMT

    Rext: If idiots like you can read on Pak Spin and even have the time to respond to an idiot like me, perhaps the biggest idiot Rudd may not have time but, the lessor idiots like, Speed, Tim, Ashraf and so many of the other officials and players do visit cricinfo and they read the blogs, especially the threads on Pak Spin and some of them read the comments too. We know that ignorance is bliss but, in your case it is certainly a blister on the rext spot thats why you always scream!

    Rahul Bhattachariya: You are right about me that I am a hypocrite, it takes one to know one, so you must also be a hypocrite to know me so well. But, I am glad that I am the biggest by your standards and I know you aspire to be like me but you can't, par ce que mois c'est moi. Yes, today's pathetic media can project any Tom, Dick and Harry whether they are right or wrong. Remember the expression; "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time." Now the world knows who the real terrorists are and who created them and, who used them against whom. If Pakistan is hell by your standards, then India is not heaven either. And LOL at your naivety and your comment that, Pakistan has "a history of bloody coup and assassinations." My dear Rahul Bhattachariya, in thethe so-called pseudo Social, Secular, Democratic, Republicwith a population of one billion plus, in broad day light, who murdered and blown up into pieces the then two Prime Ministers who were in power? And who murdered Mahatama Gandhi in cold blood, at point blank range? Are comparing apples with oranges? Go fly a kite.

    Ric: I guess your P is silent hence you are unable to wrap up your ...... views. And you should be comparing "bananas with cucumbers" and not apples with oranges. Have two bananas.

  • Shahid on February 20, 2008, 20:43 GMT

    Nobody has still answered my question I asked earlier. It is still open to Aussies. Putting everything else aside, how are the lives of their senior team worth more than the lives of their A team? If the Australian A team can complete a full UNEVENTFUL tour of Pakistan, why is the senior team unwilling to go? The other scenario that looks likely now, if they do tour, some senior players might "opt out" of touring Pakistan. In that case Australia might send a sort of second tier team to Pakistan. But again the same question comes up. If it a matter of security, why send any team at all? Are the lives of the second tier players from Australia not worth the bother?

  • rext on February 20, 2008, 20:20 GMT

    Javed A Khan is right!! When our Prime Minister Kevin Rudd read on Pakspin yesterday that Kamran and now Javed thought we should go to Pakistan that settled the issue immediately!! On our National ABC news last night he said " I wasn't sure but after reading what those two Internationally recognized Authorities on Australian Affairs and what Australia should do, Kamran and Javed Khan said I have instructed our Cricket Team to visit the Pakistan" Happy now? If ignorance is bliss, you two idiots must live in Paradise!

  • smasher79 on February 20, 2008, 19:44 GMT

    Venkat--> I can see you came on to this blog with a very negative and nationalistic frame of mind but you see my friend we believe in what we see, so none is brainwashed by the media. Read the comments above carefully its the indians comparing the sits. And violence does prevail in india in one form or the other. You can laugh if u want but no further replies to you as i can see you are not really an intellectual and logical type. No offense but u need to know.

  • Fahad Khan on February 20, 2008, 18:21 GMT

    Venkat, If you read an Indian newspaper or watch an Indian news channel, there are shootings or attacks almost daily in India. Whether done by Maoists/Naxalites/Muslims etc. Yes, Pakistan does not have a scapregoat like India, where anytime there is a bombing, even against Muslims, within 5 minutes of the bombing the police know that a Kashmiri group was behind it, links Pakistan to it, and thats the end of the story. Pakistan proportionately has more problems than India, but if we look at South Africa and Zimbabwe's tours, there were no problems. I honestly don't care if Australia tours or not. I was born and raised in the US, but always feel comfortable going to Karachi, and statements by people who have never been to Pakistan regarding the security there are useless. And statements by people jumping on the chance to insult Pakistan are unfortunate, but that's how it is.

  • JinnahFan on February 20, 2008, 14:26 GMT

    Venkat: yes, you're right...Bajrang Dal, Hindutva, Gujrat massacre.....your media is so accurate on these things...also, take a spelling class.

  • Ric on February 20, 2008, 12:30 GMT

    There have been comments made by the pak bloggers about how the Indians were unable to save their own PMs, etc and equate the same with Bhutto's assasination. Well, i guess someone needs to remind them that when zia was assasinated (in supposedly aplane crash), no one canceled any tours to pakistan. Australians are doing it because of the instability in pakistan and the utter chaos the nation is in. So start comparing apples to apples and not apples to oranges esp JAK, who has a completely warped view of the world and sorry to inform JAK its a wrong view.

  • Rahul on February 20, 2008, 12:25 GMT

    Well, it seems everyone has a say in what the Aussies should be doing and also criticising them for running after money. I am sure people like JAK, and other pak supporters are saints and dont work for money. Also, they prefer getting blown up by bombs over the security of their family. JAK seems to be the biggest hypocrite, who cries foul about western media's projection of pakistan and then very conveniently tries supporting his views about India by using articles from the western media. I guess he thinks that western media projects india correctly and pakistan wrongly.Wake up mr JAK. If half the world finds pakistan unsafe then there surely is an issue with pakistan and not a figment of imagination, like yours about India. I sense that you are an educated person, so i guess you probably should be aware that India with a population of 1 billion and different religion, is a much more stable and democratic country then pakistan, which has a history of bloody coups and assasinations.

  • venkat on February 20, 2008, 8:45 GMT

    it sounds funny when all these pak fans r comparin indian situation to theirs. i mean i do agree we do get sporadic voilence here and there in a very big country but comparin the law and order situation in india to pak is nothin but laughable. anyway i do see u have been brainwashed by ur controlled media under martial law and also understand u want to ride on the denial that ur country is no worse than india's but we r talkin about a country where terrorism is a way of life than an aberration. anyways i ud let u all live in ur bubble life . sometimes ignorance is a bliss

  • Philip John Joseph on February 20, 2008, 6:31 GMT

    I have to agree with Irfan that Kamran Abbasi is running a very good blog here. Daring to say the least, in terms of the issues he addresses; and additionally he is willing to display some pretty aggressive posts from the readers who frequent this blog. Kudos to Kamran Abbasi. What this proves is that India should follow the Mahatma Gandhi philosophy of opening the borders with Pakistan and Bangladesh and freedom of movement and dual citizenship to any Pakistani or Bangladeshi who might be interested. Time to think outside the box and get rid of this whole imperialist nation-state mentality. A new world order is necessary. India has much to benefit from Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and offering them freedom of movement and dual citizenship would really rev up the Indian economy. Infiltration by Al Qaeda would not really be an issue, because this would be a great opportunity for Indian cops to get their act together for once. Great job Mr. Abbasi. Keep up the good work.

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 20, 2008, 0:18 GMT

    Seems like Kamran Abbassi's wonder letter to the Aussies has worked. The good news is, the Australians are coming just like; "The Yankees are coming, the Yankees are coming!" Reportedly, the tour is delayed by a month and shortened by 18 days and the chances of "players boycott" is still there but, there is some hope to see them in Pakistan to play cricket.

    I must congratulate Kamran Abbassi for using Dr. Edward De Bono's concept of Lateral Thinking called, "Provocation." Unfortunately our traditional thinking system could never design or appreciate the value of "Provocation". Without provocation a system settles down into a stable 'equilibrium' state and rests there. In order to get a better state you may have to disturb the equilibrium to get a more 'global one' says, De Bono. And Kamran has just used that technique through his blog. He stirred their conscience by disturbing the state of equilibrium which was going to settle down as "destiny." The moral of the story is: You can change your destiny and also that of others around you, if you have the will, determination and the desire to do change.

  • frednork on February 19, 2008, 23:08 GMT

    the double standards here are astounding, its not ok for australian players to want to play in the ipl, but what about the number of pakistani players who are involved. so lets scratch that theory security - Kamran - you mention that australians swim with sharks but we are too scared to go to pakistan - ok, hows about you come over here and swim with sharks - ive got a nice little beach just a short ways from my house where we swim and sharks have been known to patrol... are you keen? Pakistan is your home and as such you are fully aware of the risks, likewise with all nationalities. players are human and have fears (especially of things they are not fully aware of) and those fears are real, and belittling them does not make them go away. next time you want someone to come and visit you, perhaps you should start by not belittling them.

  • Awas on February 19, 2008, 22:54 GMT

    Phew! A tour is looking likely now, albeit a bit shortened and delayed.

    Aussies you are the heroes. Good to see common sense prevail.

    Many pansies here had expected uncontrolled violence and total anarchy during and after the elections but nothing of that sort. How disappointed they must be. Pakistan has survived many crises like that and would surly continue to do so. All those monkeys sniggering at impeding cancellation should bury their heads in sand.

  • Mrs Khan on February 19, 2008, 22:38 GMT

    I don't like cricket I don't like australia..

  • Javed Kazmi on February 19, 2008, 18:33 GMT

    Who cares if this B class Australian team doesn't want to tour Pakistan, their players like to hear monkey chants so go play IPL, after all money is more important than self respect.

    Pakistan should pull out of this war on terror as we it making our own streets bloody and the people for whom we are fighting this war leave no opportunity to point fingers at our country.

  • Inam on February 19, 2008, 17:48 GMT

    Johnny Boy:

    You are right Shiv sena don't behead people but they do burn childern and women alive and shamelessly brag it on National television. If their is a country on the planet who is really fighting this war on terror it is Pakistan and all these bombings and chaos is a direct result of it we are happy to pay the price for a safer world while you keep on sending terror recruiters in disguise of doctors in Afghanistan.

  • Irfan on February 19, 2008, 17:20 GMT

    Despite the differences in our point of views I must laud you Kamran. You did this blog, you took your hits and I think for the exchange (on this blog) which ensued we are all richer then we were before. Your motivations to do this thread are best known to you but the dialogue generated as a result was an eye opener. That is the beauty of this blog that zealots the like of Javed Khan, Khansahab, Sachin Fan, Hassan and all others have their say. Here is a suggestion that now after all this talk you write a wrap up piece on the same issue. Who knows whats to follow meaning whether CA will be here or not but this blog will go down as a great debate on the subject.

    This is kind of a personal note you don't have to post it. But I will certainly look forward to reading something close to the above mentioned piece.

  • smasher79 on February 19, 2008, 14:57 GMT

    I also thank you BCCI for backing Pakistan's stance over Aussie tour.

  • smasher79 on February 19, 2008, 14:33 GMT

    Dhruv Malick--> There are millions of indians living in england and all around the world. They love their country why cant they move back. The thing is each one of them is in the end representing their countries. No matter where u live love remains. Same is KA's case. Secondly for all those einsteins talking about security measures. Why are u overlooking the fact that your teams have visited pak before and they have been provided double security than a president gets. So have some faith alright. Fair enough you have concerns about your lives but take a look into history, have your players ever been harmed before? And you are not the only ones thinking about security, i am sure Pak authorities are also making efficient measures.

  • Kunal on February 19, 2008, 14:32 GMT

    Javed The shiv- sena is not in power now in maharashtra or anywhere else. The Mumbai IPL team will contain a number of pak players and the sena wont be able to do a thing. The incidents you mentioned were when the sena-bjp was in power. Mmany pak players regularly visit mumbai and the sena hasn't attacked them. I'm not pro-sena, but they have never tried to personally injure or attack any of the Pak players. They only dig up pitches, and issue warnings but can't do much else. the sena under uddhav is floundering at the moment. But you're right, the Aussies are a bunch of sissies.

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 19, 2008, 14:08 GMT

    Most people were under the impression that interest in this thread, will fade away soon, but people are still debating on this issue. Some people were insisting upon discussing politics on a cricket blog by emphasizing that, it is all related now-a-days. Unfortunately, they have used it to their advantage in making a point by defaming the political system or the current affairs of the country. Now, the election results are in front of everyone and, the most important aspect of the elections is not the result or, the success or failure of those parties. BUT, it is the fairness and the peaceful manner in which the elections took place is very, very encouraging. There is no rigging, no mal-practice, no use of force, no casualties. And it is also very strange that these very people are not complaining or saying a word in appreciation that this is the first time in 37 years that the elections have been fair and square. Now, that the "so-called elected democracy" will be implemented, lets hope that all the politically motivated agitations will also come to an end and peace prevails in the country. So, lets hope that cricket lovers of Pakistan also get to see some action in their own country. Johnny Bravo on your rock logic, you better replace that so-called dangerously tail tag to Johnny Cowardly.

  • Philip John Joseph on February 19, 2008, 13:27 GMT

    To Javed A Khan

    Shiv Sena is an evil organization, and there are many genocidal/genocidaire politicians in India like Narendra Modi, but to compare the capabilities of Shiv Sena to the capabilities of Al Qaeda is patently ridiculous. Al Qaeda is a highly trained military outfit especially skilled in the art and science of terrorist warfare. Those guys live, breathe and die terrorist warfare. Shiv Sena is comprised of amateur terrorists/murderers who are afraid of CBI cops. It is fair to say that if the Australians differentiate between cowardly Shiv Sena terrorists, who have very little interest in targeting Australian cricketers, versus ready-to-die Al Qaeda terrorists who are running circles around the best American soldiers; then I think that the Australians are being quite fair to say the least. Furthermore, Australians are known to be wannabe imperialists, and it wouldn't take much for Al Qaeda to make the call to target them. The Australians should cancel the tour.

  • Sakul Gupta, Jammu, Bangalore on February 19, 2008, 13:27 GMT

    Well, The elections have gone fine.., They say the PML-Q has accepted defeat gracefully. So far So good!, This might just signal to better times, safer times. Hope the Aussie security team finds the security provided worthy & the Aussie team does come.It would be a victory for all. M Clarke & M Johnson opting out of the IPL to give more time to International commitments sound sgood for their Pak tour. The tour might just go ahead, Hoping! to see the action & better treatment to Shoaib Akhtar, man being not given a central contract seems to be un-understandable. Shoaib Malik in the Zim series said that Akhtar is an asset, so are assets not even given central contracts. I think man-management & bringing out the best of talented folks is alos a very important aspect of leadership & winning & right. Guess Yunis Khan might have done more. Malik should too.. Hoping for Paki cricketSeries,Guts &GloryIsGreatToWatch! YehZameenJubNaThi,AasmanJubNaThaChandSoorajNaThe,YehJahanJubNaTha...AllahHu..

  • Omer Admani on February 19, 2008, 12:08 GMT

    If the Aussie players are just using the situation in Pak to their advantage, so that they can play for the almighty dollar in IPL, then why doesn't the doctor thwart their plans by playing in Aus for now. It will be a mental victory at least, even if we are beaten comprehensively.

  • Anam Ahmed on February 19, 2008, 2:29 GMT

    I agree with Kamran and the double standards these australians are playing...i think pretty much everyone said what i wana say that aussies are really being wusses and should get off their butts and face it!! Face the reality and not hide from whats goin on in pakistan...Bombings can happen anywhere...ICC should take some action against this and let them know that this kind of behaviour is not acceptable...

  • Johnny Dangerously on February 19, 2008, 0:51 GMT

    JAVED A KHAN - you write as a fool would sans logic.

    Pakistan's players are playing in the ICL *because* it is primarily a safe place to be, sure the Shiv Sena threatens but they dont carry out attacks and they dont behead people. Pakistani cricketers are welcomed in India, now the ICL is forming a mini Pakistani team to play against other teams. Can Indians dare do the same in a Pakistani sponsored league? No. Dont mix apples and oranges, being Mahan has nothing to with terrorists who infiltrate your midst and attack the majority population and the seat of government. This doesnt mean that idiots control the government but that terrorists have found better ways to kill people, your country does less to thwart them. Thats your country's problem not India's. Lastly your full of gas because you're talking high of a country you don't even live in.

  • Mateen on February 18, 2008, 23:02 GMT

    The aussies have the courage to go around sledging international players other themselves but not to tour pakistan.Nonsense.

  • Travis on February 18, 2008, 14:18 GMT

    Posted by: Mateen at February 18, 2008 2:35 AM

    "i dont really think that the "so-called terrorists" really care about cricket. As for the terrorrists, it is not true that all of them are based in the mountains the NWFP. The australians, i feel, are making a too a big deal out of this."

    You're absolutely right on those first two points. We Australians don't think that extremists care about cricket. And we don't think that they're all in the mountains.

    If you Pakistanis don't want your country to be seen as "the next Iraq" then maybe you should display the same bravery you expect of the Aussie cricket team and march in the streets in order to rid your country of fundamentalist scum. What's that you say? It would be dangerous to do so because there are a lot of murderous nutcases around? You have a family and don't want to risk your life and their future in the belief that some ****-witted jihadist will go easy on you because you're a cricket fan?!

    Gosh, you don't say... lol

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 18, 2008, 13:12 GMT

    Kunal Some facts for you too. The Shiv Sena controls total Maharashtra and not just Mumbai alone. It includes Nagpur as well. And, Pakistan is barred from playing in Nagpur too. The population of Maharashtra State alone is 96 million, so its not a minority voice, 96 million people, is a huge population compared toPakistan's total population of 160 million. And, pitches were not dug up only in Mumbai. They also dug up the Feroze Shah Kotla ground in New Delhi, take a look at this link:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/cricket/news/1999/01/07/india_pitch/

    In Dec. 2003 when India, Pakistan veterans were scheduled to play a match in Agra, UP, the Shiv Sena dug up the pitch (which is not in Mumbai) and the match was called off. Another political party Akali Dal dug up the Mohali pitch in 2007.

    Do you remember the Asia Cup Final in Kolkata? The whole stadium was emptied out to complete the match after the hooligans ooops Sachin Fans, set fire inside the stadium when he was given run out. Had it been Australia in India or in Pakistan, they would have taken the first flight to Melbourne. Pakistan played not just that match to win the Asia Cup but, many more after that incident to defeat the miscreants. The point that Kamran Abbassi is trying to make on this blog is, despite all these odds Pakistan has always shown its utmost sincerity, eagerness and willingness to promote cricket and to defeat the so-called terrorists and their heinous intentions to terrorize people. The irony is not a single terrorist organization has talked a word about giving any sort of threat to any cricket team playing in Pakistan. Whereas the leader of the Shiv Sena clearly and openly gave interviews on TV that Pakistan should be kept away not only from Mumbai but, they should be barred from playing anywhere in India. And, if they step on our Mahan Bharat - the holy land - they will have to pay a price for that. Do you need a URL for that too? How come people forget all this so easily and so conveniently?

  • Fauzan on February 18, 2008, 12:53 GMT

    There's really no point ranting over this. Its obvious they won't come. There's too many reasons to skip this tour. Lets not delude ourselves... the security situation is genuinely bad, there's too much money in the IPL, they don't enjoy touring here etc. etc. etc.

    Also, there's no point in stupidly sulking and calling off our tour there either. Whats the point if you're not going to play the best test team in world cricket. Lets rather resolve to go there and give them a fight like the Indians did.

    In the end, this is a sport, a game. Lets not be childish and go into a big national huff crying and calling off tours. Lets rather look for practical solutions for now, steadily fix our internal problems and wait patiently. The day will come when the Aussies will be begging to play in Pakistan like they're begging to play in India for the 20-20. A 100 million cricket fans cannot be ignored forever.

  • JUN8 on February 18, 2008, 12:25 GMT

    Kamran, I am of the opinion that we should not host any one who does not want to come to Pakistan. Why should we stoop so low and "beg" teams to come and tour. If they are naive and narrow minded enough to believe all of the media hype and have double standards where they are willing to tour other countries where bombings have occurred, so be it.

    We are a proud nation, full of humble and welcoming people. We loved having the Indians over and treated them with the love and respect they deserved, and one could argue that the Indians would be the most obvious targets, yet there was no trouble.

    Of course there are issues in our country which needs to be resolved, but I don’t ever recall any fanatical nutter targeting sporting teams?

    Lets face it, the Aussies have far more pressing matters playing in India and earning more money then actually representing their country. All this crap of them being "Proud to represent their nation" is a notion that is nothing more than a myth.

  • Haseeb-Kuwait on February 18, 2008, 11:04 GMT

    I agree with JAVED A KHAN that when Shiv Sena gives constant threats but, the Pakistan team never canceled their tour to India, even as of now almost ten of their former players are playing for ICL in India. This is what you call sportsman spirit.

    If england, south africa and other countries can tour pakistan then australians can also visit.

  • Mateen on February 18, 2008, 2:35 GMT

    i dont really think that the "so-called terrorists" really care about cricket. As for the terrorrists, it is not true that all of them are based in the mountains the NWFP. The australians, i feel, are making a too a big deal out of this. Pakistan is not a corrupt country, and work is being done to make it stable. im afraid if its already being considered the next "iraq" by some people then they should change their mind.

  • Bob on February 17, 2008, 22:47 GMT

    i swear to god sachin fan seams like some 6 year old in the us who just learned how to use a computer. All i have to say to him is get a life. What i don't understand is how did terrorism get mixed up with cricket. We have had about 3 tours in the last 5 months without anything going wrong so i don't understand why Australia is so scared. We should tell them they can bring all the Alcohol they want as long as they drink it in their room!

  • Dr_Dora the Explorer on February 17, 2008, 22:30 GMT

    i have three solutions to solve this problem i hope everyone will must like at least one solution.

    all fans please vote which solution do you like:

    1: AUS should tour pak like other all teams did

    2: Tours can be exchanged, i mean Pak should go to AUS right now and AUS should should come back in Pak in 2009(but most of the cricket fans will have some doubt on Cricket AUS promise because they will make new excuse -- no night clubs in pak like this)

    3: Both countries should stop playing cricket eachothers everywhere in the world, if u don't trust eachothers then u shouldn't play with eachothers.

    I would love to vote for option 2.

  • Kunal on February 17, 2008, 21:00 GMT

    Javed A Khan

    The Shiv Sena is operational only in Mumbai and Pakistani teams have been barred from coming to only Mumbai by the Sena. the ICL tourney was held at Chandigarh so there was no opposition. the matches containing Pakistan are never held in Mumbai. Ihe pak team is free to visit other parts of India and so they never cancel the tour.

  • Dev on February 17, 2008, 20:56 GMT

    Most of us would agree that cricket is a great leveller but honestly it shouldn't matter to Pakistan i.e. to the ordinary Pakistani citizen, if Australia decides to tour or not. Frankly, there are more important issues for the 'aam admi' (common man) in Pakistan and the developing world, other than cricket. Of course, this is not to discount the racist attitude of some Australian players who have expectedly decided to skip the Pakistan tour. Let the economy grow with enlightenment and education - cricket and others will soon follow as India has perhaps shown by example. Also, as one may notice cricket has not been the end of the road for somebody like Imran Khan who, honestly or otherwise, have put his step forward toward fulfilling political ambitions. Let the people of Pakistan succeed by realising what wins them to their harm or their good, in the final analysis.

  • Naeem on February 17, 2008, 20:32 GMT

    Javed A Khan, I understand your point but again, you live in Canada and I live a few miles down south in the US. I am positive that you would agree with my point that we give our heart to our love. Pakistan cricket visited India despite the threats because we love cricket regardless. Pakistan would even play in Basra, Iraq for that matter. But let me tell you, Australians (specifically white people)are not the same. They are more practical than emotional.And again, we are talking about cricket so other garbage should be avoided. And by the way, the bombings happened in Islamabad, in a political rally. Well forget it, its not really the point. But I have a good suggestion! May be PCB can offer the australians more than IPL and we could probably pursue them to play. I can say what I want and make the Australian feel at home but I am sure they will not come to Pakistan to play cricket in the near future, may be if something magical happens and they change their mind in the next ten yrs

  • Sakul Gupta, Jammu, Bangalore on February 17, 2008, 14:10 GMT

    Well, let us wait for tomorrow's elections to be done & the results to be declared. Hope the rigging fear is just a fear & it doesn't happen. Then let's see the reactions of the political lords. Zardari bhau said in the worst case a civil war & splitting of the nation could happen. This is too bad, & God Forbid if party workers are asked to take to teh streets, not sure if it would be safe as it was in Mumbai because of teh MNS. I think we can gauze, only gauze the safety situation only then. Surely Musharaf, teh Gen. should have the sense to let the people's govt. come to power, as he said taht teh PPP et el, should let leaders come from teh roots, which is right.. Then let teh Aussies take the call. Yeah the IPL thingie at the same time is a factor, though Lalit Modid says that the FTP would be respected, lets see how. In an unsafe scenario, I guess the best bet would be for the Pak team to tour Aust this time round&ExchangeTheirTours,asOthersTooHaveSuggested.ItShouldBeAWin-WinThing!

  • Travis on February 17, 2008, 12:42 GMT

    Quite frankly I am disgusted with Cricinfo for publishing Wahid's views.

    Zionists this. Zionists that.

    Not that I don't find this particular form of Aussie-hatred enlightening.

  • Hassan on February 17, 2008, 12:01 GMT

    Javed, you are right, there is no point for me talking about politics. Unfortunately it seems all things are related now-a-days. The Aussies reason (either in reality true or not), was political (security not enough due to political turmoil). Anyway, I do not think ours (atleast mine) opinion one way or another can influence Australians. May be Australia would indeed send a team, but many players opting out because of security.

    What Uncle's blog you are talking about? I do not think any of my uncle is computer savvy to have blog. Why you guys keep mixing me with some other person.

  • Wahid on February 17, 2008, 12:01 GMT

    Naeem If you were to look at my first post, you'd realise that looking from an Aussie point of view even I wouldn't go to Pakistan, so get your facts straight. True this is a cricket blog but so many western people are talking about the terrorists, I am merely letting them know the root cause, sorry if I upset anyone.

    Marcus Fair enough with what your saying but the video that you watched, have you ever seen it on the media that you watch, don't you think it is a bit of a coincidence that Bhutto said something like this and 12 hours later Pakistan imposed martial law. Sorry people, I won't talk no more about this, and I'm not spreading fear, its more about knowing what is happening everywhere in the world because you won't find that in the western media.

    Awas Who rattled your cage, your probably one of those people who are blind and think they know everything regarding the situation in Pakistan. Lastly, I think Australia would cancel their tour, frankly I don't blame them.

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 17, 2008, 7:34 GMT

    Hassan stay focused on cricket or on the thread and stop your political drivel against Musharraf, for that you have your uncle's blog. Go there and blab as much as you can, because as usual you don't make any sense just like that so-called a.n.k.l.e. of yours. Harshal, its not that simple, click on the link below and read what the BCCI vice president Rajiv Shukla said about Australia's obligation:

    http://www.dawn.com/2008/02/16/spt4.htm

    Naeem the place where the so-called terrorists are fighting up in the mountains of NWFP where you went, is thousands of miles away from Lahore, Multan and Karachi and the matches will NOT be played up in the mountains. So, when you try to exaggerate your fears and concerns stay awake and come out of your dreamworld.

    Shiv Sena gives constant threats but, the Pakistan team never canceled their tour to India, even as of now almost ten of their former players are playing for ICL in India.

  • poor old bowler on February 17, 2008, 5:09 GMT

    politics and sport are different matters.

    i beleive sportsman should have more controll over thier own lives instead of being puppets controlled by sporting bodies and the media which loves to build up sports players when thier on top and bring them down when they fail.

    from the media reports we get over hear in australia,pakistan seems to be riddled with lawlessness,death,murder and violence.

    if the players dont wont to tour i can fully understand why.and i think its up to sports fans to support players through thier tough decisions and the highs and low of thier lives and sporting careers.

    sportsmen arnt super heros and arnt loved by everyone they are people with wives,families,problems and feelings.

    i think its fully unstandable why the australian team has fears on touring pakistan.

    i hope the pakistani people can understand the australian fears and tour australia in 2009,where the only threat is someone throwing a egg or the crowd hurling abuse.

  • poor old bowler on February 17, 2008, 4:37 GMT

    as a australian i support the team if they wont go.

    i believe that they would be targeted.whats the point in touring somewhere if you need armed guards and carnt leave your hotel room.

    crickets just a game and not worth putting yourself in risky situation just for a game.

    apart from the new zealand and the west indies,pakistan would be my 3rd favourite team in world cricket with england and india being my least favourite.

    pakistan have always had characters in thier team like imran khan,wasim akram,shohib aktar,shahid afridi and my favourite of all inziman ul haq. i think it would be cricket would be poorer if pakistan boycotts australia in 2009 because australia doesent wont to tour this year.

    living in a peaceful country i can fully understand why australia doesent wont to tour,media aside all you need is a group of extremist who hate australia and want to take it out on the cricket team to cause alot of trouble. i wish pakistani's could see australia's veiw point.

  • Ali Imran on February 17, 2008, 3:42 GMT

    Well Said. I don't see how CRICKET is linked to TERRORIST ATTACKS.

  • Philip John Joseph on February 17, 2008, 1:30 GMT

    Well, the question is not about security in the past, but rather security going forward. Saying that Al Qaeda has not been interested in targeting cricketing events in the past does not prove that they will not target cricket events in future, especially when the archetypal wannabe imperialists, otherwise known as the Australians, are in town. While no significant foreign sportsperson has been injured in Pakistan, there have been incidents where they were too close for mental comfort, and that's the key issue. If Musharraf is losing control, then Australian cricketers being targeted is only really a question of what's next on Bin Laden, Zawahiri or Baitullah Mehsud's agenda. Nobody knows what's on those guys' agendas, so the safest option for the Australians is not to tour. Musharraf couldn't protect Benazir Bhutto, though admittedly that was sheer incompetence on Musharraf's part for not giving her a bullet proof sunroof box like the Pope had, but security in Pakistan is very bad.

  • Awas on February 17, 2008, 0:26 GMT

    Marcus

    These people are not worth commenting on as they have blinkers on their minds. You are wasting your time in Wahid.

  • Imran on February 17, 2008, 0:12 GMT

    Aright whether you people admit it or not, Money has taken over cricket. Today Australia decide they do not tour Pakistan, ICC will stay quiet because Australia is a country where a lot of their money comes from. ICC is corrupt as hell, countries like Australia and India can do as they please, while countries like SA and SL have no influence. Im getting sick of these double standards. Harbajhan can get away after a racist chant because he is from India. Aussies do their intense sledging and they get away with everything. If this tour gets boycotted then Pakistan will suffer and cricket standards will suffer. I am just sick of this.

    now this IPL crap is not going to help. This is another place businessmen have decided to invest money following soccer. Im afraid to say cricket will only exist in India soon in the form of IPL and ICL. The standards will go down to the point that not many people outside subcontinent will watch it.

  • Marcus on February 17, 2008, 0:00 GMT

    Wahid

    This is going to be the last time I post on this topic. You put up a cuople of videos and say that they "prove" your theory. All evidence is open to interpretation, and by not accepting this you're being just as close-minded as you accuse the media of being.

    Let's just say you're right though. Surely it would be easy enough for Musharaf to arrange another "terrorist attack" to silence you, if you really knew the truth? But it hasn't happenned, has it?

    Also, you talk about the corrupt Zioninst media- yet you're the only one here propagandizing, and spreading fear and suspiscion. Think about that.

    Finally, you should look up a concept called "Occam's Razor" (I hope I spelled Occam right), which states that the simplist answer- the one that requires the least ASSUMPTIONS- is generally the right one. It really does make a lot of sense.

    Marcus.

  • khansahab returns on February 16, 2008, 23:44 GMT

    Mr Abbassi did use strong language in his letter, but I deem it justifiable because he like many of us is a passionate supporter of Pakistan cricket. It doesn't matter how many bomb blasts are going off in the country as it is only political parties and the Army that are being attacked, not ordinary police/security forces, sports officials or sportsmen for that matter.

    The Australians are not helping by refusing to tour as their reluctance will only cause more friction between Islam and the West/Pakistan and the developed world/PCB or Asian cricket boards and the ICC. Certainly Pakistanis will be very upset since the vast, overwhelming majority of them are no threat to anyone's life or security.

    Hassan, I can see you want to have the last word which doesn't surprise me. You remind me of Dawar/Saima Khan etc on Pakspin because they also have a set political agenda. Good luck in your crusade to bring a President down. President Saab, if you're reading this, plz don't pop your head out from any vehicle......

  • Awas on February 16, 2008, 22:52 GMT

    Hassan

    No, no one is “suggesting” anything to you. It’s just your imagination running wild!!!

  • Shahid on February 16, 2008, 22:46 GMT

    Australians are claiming that they are the target so in a way they are the trouble and can potentially ceate more trouble for Pakistan. So why not stay away from them and let them create trouble somewhere else. Please Please Aussies stay away and leave Pakistan alone. We will not miss your pathetic behavior on and off the field at all.

  • sridhar on February 16, 2008, 21:13 GMT

    Its obviously the greener pasteurs in India the aussies are looking for. If the pakistan tour gets a thumbs up, then they lose out on the IPL moolah. Terror is the last thing they should worry about, for their security woulds be top priority. Its just an excuse to play in the IPL. As I see it, the Pakistan board must keep pressurising cricket australia to meet international commitments and play in the spirit of the game.

  • Naeem on February 16, 2008, 17:20 GMT

    Wahid I think you are really abusing the privilige to speak. This is suppose to be a cricket site not for you to ramble about terrorist/9/11/ or whatever you have in mind. It would be better that we just discuss cricket here. I do think that Australia should visit Pakistan and play cricket but at the end of the day, its their choice. After all cricket is a SPORT and thats the way it should be. I don't consider the Australians cricketers cowards or scared for that matter but they have a genuine concern. As I write, there was a suicide explosion in Pakistan who killed more than 3 dozens...I mean come on, these things are day to day experiences now. My friends and family who have visited Pakistan in the recent past have had to go through hell of scrutiny/security due to the fighting between the terrorist and the government up in the northern Pakistan. Just to let you all know one more time, at this very moment, PAKISTAN is one of the most dangerous place in the world.

  • Travis on February 16, 2008, 17:03 GMT

    37 killed in Pakistan bombing today:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7248445.stm

  • HSH on February 16, 2008, 16:59 GMT

    All the non-cricketing issues apart,the Australian refusal to tour must be a relief to the Pakistan team.The false pride created by winning against Zimbabwe was about to be shattered.Now,they have a chance to invite Bangladesh or Kenya-no,not India-and maintain the "record".Leave the future for later consideration.Having said this,though,I would never write off Pakistan cricket team completely.That is because if selectorial and management biases are corrected,the team can bounce back overnite.And speaking of (mis)management,what wrong has Akhtar done this time?First they let him off with murder then they punish him for nothing.The whimsical and non-sensical PCB is a show in itself.And,at a personal level,I wish to sue THE DOCTOR for inappropriately using his professional title in a realm where he can escape professional jurisdiction.Mr.Ashraf if you're not good enough to practice medicine,don't use the title.And you're certainly not good for Pak cricket.You're the ailment,not the cure

  • Mateen on February 16, 2008, 15:27 GMT

    Firstly, terrorism has got literally nothing to do with cricket. If the aussies boycott their tour to pakisan, cricket can suffer. If cricket is interfered with religion im afraid the aussies should change their mind. Zimbabwe and south africa have toured pakistan in recent months. Did anything at all, even the merest threat of a possible attack unfold on them? NO.The aussies should also stop thinking that pakistan is the root cause of terrorism in the world, because it is not. I say, on't bring religion into this, and get on with the crikcet.

  • Harshal on February 16, 2008, 15:22 GMT

    My Pakistani friends...let us not forget it is just a game of cricket. If someone does not want to come specially because of security concerns, let them not come...leave it to them, its the personal decision of every player. After all its just a game.

    What PCB can do is, refuse to tour Australia and let us see how Aussies like it.

  • Farukh on February 16, 2008, 15:16 GMT

    I 100% agree with mr abbasi, 1 more thing tho.. All these ppl sayin PK cud not protect thr EX-PM n hw r thy gnna protect da aussies.. wtf r u lot talkin bout? Wen da July bombin happened in UK aussies stayed thr, wen we got da biggest beef wiv india still India came to our country... so wtf r da aussies scared 4??! Jus bcz its PK now thy wnna cancel it? Ppl like SWAMI sayin rest of da world c us in a bad way, well, we dnt giv a damn bou tht.. we r jus guin through sum bad times it will get better but we dont giv a damn bout wot da othas think.. If australia cancel da tour we gnna do da same..

  • Garvit on February 16, 2008, 15:15 GMT

    DOESN'T THIS ABBASSI CHARACTER LIVE IN LONDON, A NICE WELL OFF SECURE POSITION AS EDITOR OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF MEDICINE JOURNAL!!!! INTERESTING, HE DOESN'T LIVE IN HIS OWN HOMELAND HIMSELF AND IS ADVISING WHAT OTHERS SHOULD DO. WHAT A SHAM.

  • Asif Sarfraz on February 16, 2008, 15:10 GMT

    Continued from last post.........

    As for the cricket it is always great to compete against the best in the world! We beat Zimbabwe 5-0, but thats Zimbabwe! I want to see what we can do against the best in the world! Only if some idiots in Pakistan allow us peacefully see such a spectacle in our country!

  • alex on February 16, 2008, 15:09 GMT

    This post is completely missing the point. The Australian team are not fighting "the war against terror" so they are under no obligation to put themselves at risk for its sake.

    But overall the point is that no country can protect all targets against terrorism. When a country, however, can not defend its most high profile targets then there is justifiable reason for sporting teams not to tour. To put their lives at the mercy of a belief that they will not be targets is not something that sportsmen should be obliged to do.

  • Fouzan Zulfiqar Mughal on February 16, 2008, 15:08 GMT

    Excellent stuff written by Mr.Abbasi. I think most of the points one really thinks are nicely covered in it. cheerZ!

  • Asif Sarfraz on February 16, 2008, 15:05 GMT

    Having read some of the comments, I cannot believe what a stereotypical world that we live in today! Unfortunately brainwashed by the media! Kamran you should hang your head in shame dude, you should not write things like that about Australians in general. If you can judge, they can judge as well! How do you see this as a letter of invitation by mocking them in their activities. Like all Pakistani are not terrorists, not all Australians are what ever you said in your letter! Obviously we don't know what people say behind closed doors, but you should respect people no matter where they are from! As for the tour, I am not sure Australia should go, because God forbid if something bad does happen, then it will be very bad for Pakistan! It's our own fault the way our country is portrayed! Those idiots in Pakistan that believe blowing themselves up, will achieve something, need to fix up and move on with current trends or we are going to get left behind!

  • Hassan on February 16, 2008, 14:46 GMT

    Khansaab and Awas, so you are suggesting Musharraf and government has no obligation of protecting its citizens and to provide general security of the country? The terrorist elements? As far as I know Musharraf is claiming to fight them, so by any standards, has not he failed? Should not he quit saying, I screwed up, I can not win, and have worsened the situation?

  • Fahim Aziz on February 16, 2008, 14:40 GMT

    Hello Gujys and Girls,

    Thanks very much, Kamran, for actually bringing up this topic. The real problem is actually money. The Indian league is scheduled at about the same time as the Aus, Pak series. They have found a perfect excuse, so that they can go and earn a bagful of money. Money has immense power. Suddenly they are scared of playing cricket in Pakistan. This is laughable as no cricketer ever got harmed in Pakistan.

    So my dear no worries mates from Aussie Land, please stop talking rubbish and get on with the job at hand. You obviously want more money, so pleeeeease go and play the 20,20.

    Their vulgar behaviour is more dangerous to cricketers from other countries, than the dangers to cricketers in Pakistan. It's good that India gave you guys the whip, precominantly, Ponting on the issue in the Sydney test. The Aussies might be a good cricket team, but they have no class and sophistication in terms of their attitude.

    My message to them is "Best of luck 20 20 boys

  • Indoczar on February 16, 2008, 14:12 GMT

    Kamran, There is a lot of difference between a bomb blast making frontpage news (as the ones in Mumbai, London) and the ones where barely a passes without a blast of some kind (as in Pakistan). Pakistan could not save Ms. Bhutto despite several warnings from the hardliners. Australiane team is an easy prey, should anyone decide to take them / on or rather, off and the Govt could do little about it. First let's try to get a proper government in place.

  • Muhammad Asif on February 16, 2008, 14:05 GMT

    Lets take a rational look at it. What would be the reaction of our players when they would be asked by Afghanistan or Iraq to visit over there for the promotion of cricket? Its all about perception, as someone has put very rightly that every time they hear any news about Pakistan, most of the time its the bad news. In international media Pakistan has even surpased Afghanistan & Iraq regarding the insecurity. So if its not impossible it would be very hard to convince them to come & play over here for the sake of our love for cricket.

  • Abdul Kadir Hussain on February 16, 2008, 13:42 GMT

    Lets stick to facts guys. No cricketer has ever been injured on a tour to Pakistan. As for protecting our own ex-PM if that is the criteria to be used how can a team go to India that could't protect 2 of its sitting PM's. Also as for the logic that Australian troops are in Afghanistan, also hogwash. Those troops were there when the 'A' team toured last year as well and the Under-19 team, there were no issues with either tour. We just had a bunch of Naxalites kill people in Orrisa, does this mean that the Aussies will not join the IPL or tour India, I think not, cause the Almight Dollar is too big to pass up on that tour. Any proper intelligence briefing will tell you that there is no chance that Australian cricketer will be targeted on this tour. But Australia will not undertake this tour (and in doing so will become the only country to refuse to tour Pakistan twice in row). In my view a third invitation should not be extended, they dont deserve to our hospitality.

  • Awas on February 16, 2008, 13:08 GMT

    Samom Meetei & Abhinav

    Thank you guys. You said it quite wonderfully, what I have been saying to the one that should be heading for “the rising sun” with his fan blowing right behind him.

    We are just the same people divided by an artificial line. Its just a few bad people that cause so much trouble on both sides of a land that should be united in all practical and spiritual aspects. The irony is people like the ones on your side and I am equally ashamed with some on our side in the likes of Hassan and Hammad are the types who propagate fear in the lives of all. Once the most corrupt widower ever known to mankind comes through the backdoor to rule then the torch bearers of democracy will know why such governments were sacked four times unless of course they have their own vested interests.

    I was also pleased to see India do well against Australia. India is definitely now what Pakistan team was in their nineties.

    Nicki

    I fully appreciate and support your apprehensions but as I said earlier individual players should be entitled to choose or not to choose but as a country and a team if Australia decide not to tour then they shouldn’t be saying “IN THIS WAR OF TERROR WE ARE ALL TOGETHER”. This otherwise exposes their hypocrisy.

    Khansahab

    Very well said but no matter what you and I say that idea is unlikely to “pop” in the head of that Brutus. Perhaps he needs some clipping behind his ears from his UNCLE ;)-

  • Adnan Mohsin on February 16, 2008, 12:39 GMT

    I totally agree with Abbasi,I think we need to devise a strategy to counter these situation,we have incompetent people running PCB affairs which is not helping Pakistan cricket as well.As a cricket lover I hate the comments which are coming from Australian cricketers.It seems that they are more interested in making money in IPL then playing cricket for their country. In the end it is all about money man!!!!

  • ARROW on February 16, 2008, 12:36 GMT

    I agree with what some of the bloggers have rightly pointed out. When someone says it is a security risk, it is not just because of a word 'terrorism'. There are professionals who assess the situation and quantify the risk. I am sure CA would have taken the advise of such professionals. The situation in Pakistan as I see it is closer to what can be termed as 'anarchy'. It means one can not with reasonable confidence predict the sequence of events and hence the risk would be high.

  • Wahid on February 16, 2008, 12:09 GMT

    Marcus

    Yes your right its meant to be about cricket but all you people are mentioning terrorists - if you don't know the root cause then maybe you should find out. Do some research and maybe if you got you head out your backside you'd realise that the media that you people watch is controlled by Zionists. For your information, Bin Laden was a CIA agent. Here is my proof that Bhutto said something she should not have. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg You see at the moment the Zionists have no hand on the Internet yet, they will soon so its amazing what you will find. Do some research, then you will understand that we live in a corrupt world. Check this guy out and tell me its not enough proof about 9/11 http://www.youtube.com/user/NufffRespect Sorry about ranting on but maybe if you Westerners looked beyond your media, you'd know more about what is happening around the world.

  • Prasanna on February 16, 2008, 11:12 GMT

    While I agree that Australian team is being very silly in the reasons they give to not tour Pak, I have to add that India is a safer place than Pakistan simply because it is a functioning democracy. Cheers, Nice article

  • khansahab returns on February 16, 2008, 10:54 GMT

    Hassan, the government repeatedly warned the ex PM to not campaign actively as terrorist elements had sworn to rid of her. After the assassination of the ex PM it was revealed that she herself had fears of being killed by the same group of people, even when she was not in Pakistan.

    Yet she decided to pop her head out of the car. It is because of that silly mistake committed in broad daylight that Australians are refusing to tour Pakistan. So blame your ex PM for this tour not occurring, not the Prez.

    Plus did not you read the Yard's report? She injured her head because she could not be bothered to look which direction her silly head was going when she decided to duck, owing to the force of the blast, which caused her death :) Come on have some respect for the Yard- these guys are pros :)

  • Faridoon on February 16, 2008, 10:52 GMT

    To all those who are harping about not being able to protect an ex-prime minister... Many political leaders have been assasinated in India. Mahatma Gandhi, Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi are names that come to mind immediately. Yet, wait and you'll see many Aussies turn up to play for IPL.

    The money is an obvious reason plus Javed made a great point about lifestyle. No boozing and womeninzing makes an Aussie a dull boy!

  • Rauf on February 16, 2008, 10:47 GMT

    This is turning into a mud wrestling by rowdy teens.

    To all those who continue to believe in this "security concern" fairy tale, read this from below article... "but the players might be free if the tour to Pakistan doesn't happen". This had been in the works for few weeks because IPL was pressuring CA players to sign up or else loose out on all the money. Tour to Pakistan was somehow had to be worked around so the age old "Pakistan security" scenario was dusted up and put in the media for all the gullible. Money is driving all this madness so PCB should learn the game and sue CA for the breach of contract.

    {

    "Otherwise players will be leaving. Players will be retiring. Unfortunately at the moment we have a conflict. If that is taken out, there won't be conflict." Australia's international schedule clashes with the IPL, but the players might be free if the tour to Pakistan doesn't happen.

    http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ipl/content/story/336347.html

    }

  • Ibrahim Moiz on February 16, 2008, 10:14 GMT

    BRAVO Mr. Abbasi, I remembering you writing an article like this in 2003 when SAF were refusing to come. It's amazing how stupid people can be in differentiating between a political assassination and regular killings? Day-to-day life in Pakistan is pretty safe, Benazir Bhutto's death was POLITICALLY MOTIVATED you dolts. And people who are saying that Pakistan isn't stable are idiots; democracy is always not necessarily a measure of stability. Everyone who considers Musharraf a tyrant: Pakistan would be miles worse under any other candidate. The economic stagnation everyone speaks of is being experienced WORLDWIDE, not just in Pakistan. Moreover, Sri Lanka has been experiencing decades of war between Tamils and Sinhalese, yet cricketers have NEVER been endangered there or in Pakistan. I'm surprised Musharraf doesn't just quit in frustration with the likes of ungrateful idiots he's serving. Masha Allah thank you Mr Abbasi for a very sensible and much-needed article.

  • Ant on February 16, 2008, 9:57 GMT

    Wow. More Aussie-bashing. What a surprise.

  • Mian Zain Zubair on February 16, 2008, 9:50 GMT

    Hi. I am a pakistani myself and I keep following wtever is written about the australian tour and I must say i am surprised. I personally think that PCB should have written a letter to australian board and requested them NOT TO send thier team to pakistan. I have only just one question. Is cricket bigger than anyones life? Can anyone justify the assasination of Benazir Bhutto?? If someone can kill her then anyone can be killed in Pakistan. She used to travel in a bomb proof bullet proof car n still she was shot. Can anyone guarantee that such a thing cant happen to any of the aussies? and if they actually come and something of this sort happens. Can anyone imagine what will be the effects of it? Can we handle all this? Dont we have much more important issues to sort out in our country? Shouldnt we be focussing on them rather than the aussies? We should assign those officers on the safety of our own people rather than the aussies which are supposed to provide them security when they come

  • Samom Meetei on February 16, 2008, 9:20 GMT

    Sachin Fan, you ought to change your ID for us other Indians. Change your ID coz the picture of Indians that you are portraying is incorrect and damaging. India may have a dispute or two here and there with Pakistan; however, Pakistan is our neighbor, its people once were Indians. When India is not playing, and Pakistan plays a third country, it is Pakistan whom our hearts wish well. You words have no place here in this public blog site, because you are a propagandist, and whatever you write is colored with jingoism and cultural hatred. Pakistan may be unsafe, and the Australians’ decision to scrap the tour justified; however, take back your words, reframe your sentences-coz you are hurting my space. You are hurting my space because you are hurting my image as an Indian. Grow up; we are not watching a Sunny Deol starrer movie here. Grow up! Coz, you may not need the Pakistanis today. But you never know when you would need to knock their door for help.

  • spidey on February 16, 2008, 9:12 GMT

    the aussies not afraid to play in pakistan - they just don't want to miss out on the IPL offerrings. this is not about security. it's about the money and always has been.

  • Zia,USA on February 16, 2008, 8:46 GMT

    The difference between other places say England,India Bombings and Karachi bomb which killed Bhutto is.. In England and India it happened unexpectedly in unprotected places. Whereas everybody including Musharaff knew there was threat for Benazir on that day, still nothing could be done. Then how can you blame foreigners when they afraid?

  • Salman Ilyas on February 16, 2008, 8:30 GMT

    Its quite funny Aussies thinks they will be alone in the grounds and there are talibans everywhere. so why they send their A teams and juniors teams to visit pakistan?

  • BettingfromTokyo on February 16, 2008, 7:54 GMT

    I'm Australia and I think Australia should go to Pakistan.

    However, saying Australia has double standards is quite silly. At the end of the day, cricketers are just basically sportsmen, not soldiers or politicians. They are not expected nor should they be demanded to possibly put their life on the line (and I seriously doubt they would ever be in trouble in Pakistan). But at the end of the day, if they feel their lives are in danger they are entitled do whatever they like.

  • nur ud deen jehangir on February 16, 2008, 7:14 GMT

    the defender of the aussies has now turned on them . mr abbassi firstly those accused of bombing mumbai and london have had links to pakistan so dont compare. secondly, the aussies should send a B level team so " great " pakistani batsmen like younis khan , misbah , mohammed yousuf can score a lot of centuries on flat batting wickets and give pakistanis an illusion that they are indeed a great team

  • Sohail Ahmed on February 16, 2008, 7:04 GMT

    Put yourself in aussies' shoes. Even many Pakistanis don feel safe in Pakistan. The aussies might have other reasons for refusing to visit Pakistan, which they dont disclose (the IPL etc), but they are justified in raising concerns about their safety. The fact that no cricketer has died in Pakistan in terrorist attacks does not mean that none will. After all, the New Zealanders escaped narrowly from a bomb attack on their hotel, a few years ago. Lets clean our backyard and then blame others. And Mr. Javen Ahmed khan from Montreal: your opinion about white people missing bikini clad girls in Pakistan reflects your own mentality and nothing else. Of course, even cricketers are expected to be interested in tourist aspects of a country -- an aspect where Pakistan is far behind India even -- but how can one infer that white cricketers miss the bikinis so much that they refuse to tour on thsi ground. If at all, I've seen Pakistanis taking unbridled fancy to such things! Grow up, man!!!

  • Muhammad Tariq on February 16, 2008, 6:46 GMT

    To me it is very unfair from the Aussies to cancel Pakistan upcoming Tour. Although some terrorists are attacking Pakistan's Pride but I believe that Pakistan still is a very safe place for the cricketers. And I also want to say that Terrorists are every where in the world but this is not the way to answer them. Boycotting the tour the Aussies are fulfilling the mission of them. I think they should come here otherwise Pakistan should also cancel thier tour to Australia next year. But both these decisions will be very damaging for cricket and very disoppointing for the cricket fans.

  • C. K. Rajendran on February 16, 2008, 6:40 GMT

    KAMRAN ABBASI'S CLASSY WORDS REFLECT REALITY. PROBSBLY WHAT HE DINT WRITE IS BEING EXPRESSED HERE. CRICKET AUSTRALIA IS ON THE DECLINE NOW AFTER BEING AT THE TOP OF THE WORLD OVERR A DECADE. THEY ARE LOOSING THEIR GRIP MAINLY OVER INDIA, PAKISTAN AND SRI LANKA AS WE SEE IT. AND WHEN THEY DO NOT HAVE GOOD TOTALS ON THE BOARD, PANIC AND LOOSE OR EVEN IF WIN, WIN BY A WHISKER.

    SO, PAKISTAN TOUR BEING CANCELLED DUE TO SECURITY REASONS ALONE IS NOT ACCEPTED BY ME.

    LONG AGO THEY BEAT MIGHTY WEST INDISE WITH THE HELP OF AUSSIE UNPIRES, EVEN TIED TEST MATCHES!

    aUSTRALIA IS ON THE DECLINE, WE WILL BEAT THEM ON OUR BACKYARDS SOON, BELIEVE ME.

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA. on February 16, 2008, 5:48 GMT

    Sachin Fan you are sicko because Benazir Bhutto was not the Prime Minister of Pakistan, whereas, Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi were Prime Ministers when they were assassinated and blown into pieces. That Dacoit Phoolan Devi was also a Minister who was gunned down in honour killing. So you cannot protect your own ministers and Prime MInisters. The Rashtrapati Bhavan or the Parliament of India in New Delhi was raided by India's own terrorist, it was just a hoax to get sympathies from the west. So who are you blaming and fooling you psycho? Look into your own backyard before you spill out venom and then talk about peace. Hassan you better stay wherever you are and stay indoors because if you pop your head out the sky may fall on your head and you will probably wake up! And SachinO, keep on dreaming that Pakistan will play against Australia in India.

  • irfan on February 16, 2008, 5:23 GMT

    i think the only way to bring in quality teams to play in pakistan is to become a champion team, we dont have the money nor the glamour of other countries but one thing which can make them come in is a good challenge

  • Fired Smart Mouth on February 16, 2008, 5:07 GMT

    There are more problems here than this Australia issue. First, Indians need to relax and stop hating Pakis.... this is not your issue so hush up. And the other one is if Austrlians aren't visiting ... its okay..... just don't visit there in 2009 and slap them with the same terrorist issue (created out of the blue)... say something like.. Australians are supporting the war in terrorist and they are in Afghanistan... and there NOT 90% but 100% chance they are gonna get a visa gonna come to Australia... and you know the rest.

  • sajjad on February 16, 2008, 4:37 GMT

    Eventhough I dont agree with calling Pakistan poor you make a good case.

    It is all about the money for them. They would rather go to India where they get paid more.

    The problem to me is with Pakistanis is general. We must stand together and as a nation threaten to boycott Australia as a nation if they decide not to show up for their commitment. PCB must not bow to their demands and meet in a neutral venue.

    Iam afraid though that we wont face this as a nation and PCB would give in to their demands as had happened in the past. PCB should demand CA to show up or pay for the commercial losses that will arise due to the cancelation. I am sure they understand the money language very well.

    It is the pride of Pakistan at stake and accepting a neutral venue only strengthens their accusations calling us a terrorist nation.

    Why can't the gov't of Pakistan demand from the US to convince them as these are the very people we are "Trying to protect" at the cost of our lives.

  • Aussie Pakistani on February 16, 2008, 4:31 GMT

    Well i've read most of the blogs and i dont think its reasonable for Australia to cancel the tour on grounds of safety alone.Also people mentioning the death of benazir bhutto should read a lot more into her death, i can assure you the Australian team will get a lot more protection from the PCB and the government.If you think about it logically, the south african team sent out their own team of security experts to determine the safety of their players and deemed it to be safe, do the australian players think the SACB and government care less about their players safety as than the CA does about their players.In the whole scenario we are all missing another important event occuring around the same time as this series, the IPL.If the IPL was not scheduled for this time slot there might have been less resistance from the Australian players.At the end i think if any of the players dont wish to travel to Pakistan we should respect their decision and that would allow someone else to go.

  • Saumendra on February 16, 2008, 4:05 GMT

    And talking of safety and concerns, I give it to the aussies that anyone's concerns cannot be ridiculed at. But the least that can be done, on the part of the Aussies, is to introspect that how many of these concerns are really genuine and how much of it is an offshoot of their disinterested/cynical veiw of the third world. And lets face it, crickets is played today across a far more varied a demography than the past-keepers of the game would have liked to see. So while the asian cricket is guided - shall I say blinded - by the financial aspect, the Aussie psyche is equally culpable in not giving the asian societies the respect the deserve. This has gone on for too long, and with the hot dollars burning their aspirations, the past-keepers dont deserve any sympathy for feeling the tinge of this very heat. The way ahead is that of reconciliation. Withdrawing from the Pakistan tour is the exact opposite of what is needed.

  • Saumendra on February 16, 2008, 3:57 GMT

    I dont know what to say really. Its like, with every passing day, the game I have known and grown up with, is getting suffocated. At the alter of power-brinkmanship indulged in by the BCCI-led asian front and equally deplorably, by the erstwhile powers-that-be who have yet to get red of their colonial/racial hangover. I am an Indian and even as the latest bout of pakistan-phobia is being played out in the minds of the ACA, my heart cries out for the little kid on the streets of pakistan, whose smallest of dreams - perhaps the only thing he has that he can call his own - are being snatched away from him. And why ? Because the "advanced" society refuses to trust in a "medieval" society, mired recently in unrest. Isnt this lack of - should I say - "effort" on the part of these modern nations, really a lack of interest. In engaging with a society unlike theirs. The same disinterest has definitely been the root cause of the "arrogant" and unsportsman like image of Aussie cricket.

  • Marcus on February 16, 2008, 3:46 GMT

    Wahid

    You think that Bin Laden was a CIA agent, and that Bhutto was killed because she knew the truth? Way off. 9/11 was orchestrated by Rupert Murdoch because someone in the tower knew that he convinced Elvis to make the crop circles to stir up fear, and then had him killed to cover it up.

    Hey, mine's a lot more original than yours.

    Seriously, stay off the Cool-aid and confine your crackpot conspiracy theories to appropriate sites, where they can be read by your fellow "truth-seekers." This is supposed to be about the cricket.

  • Swami on February 16, 2008, 3:46 GMT

    Reading the blogs, it seems like many Pakistanis have not clue how the rest of the world views them. Absolutely delusional in their world view. They are so obviously frustrated with the situation locally that they are clutching at straws in trying to argue. It evokes sympathy in me more than anything else. The number of tourists visiting Pakistan in 2007 was approx. 5000! A significant proportion of that must have been cricketers and their families from Zimbababwe and South Africa. Its not part of the contracts of Aussie cricketers to do their bit for Pakistan tourism.

  • ak on February 16, 2008, 3:43 GMT

    Mr. Kamran, you are right about Sharks. They attack only if we enter their territory.I suppose, the aussies are using the same analogy.

  • Hassan on February 16, 2008, 3:28 GMT

    In a remarkable scientific development, engineers have built cars that have roofs that can be removed and put back on push of a button. They are naming it convertible cars. Although scientist already discovered that a regular car can be stopped by applying brakes, and then a person can step outside to go about his/her normal business. Although there are serious side effects of both, one of them is that a person may get shot at. The government is cautioning its citizens, that although they are supposed to exist in order to protect its citizens, they should not be blamed for one being shot at.

  • Sam on February 16, 2008, 2:53 GMT

    I can only say that I find the Australian Cricket Boards comments on the Pakistan as sad as you do, Kamran. What makes me suspicious though, is the timing ofthe tour corresponding with the IPL, which quite a few Aussie players have expressed interest in. Is the avoidance of this tour political or commercial in nature? I also think that the Australian team must consider the cache that their success has created and take some responsibility for that.

  • RoyoftheRovers on February 16, 2008, 2:05 GMT

    the difference is Australia have troops in Afghanistan. Many Pakistanis dont like this so Australian's in particular would be targetted by terrorists in Pakistan.

  • Sachin Fan , USA on February 16, 2008, 1:46 GMT

    TRUTH HURTS AND JK FROM CANADA CAN'T TAKE IT !! Dude its up to to Australia if they don't wanna travel to your country . I'd do the same if I was targeted coz of my skin color. Pakistanis have murdered foreign journalist and their own ex-pm to make a political statement. This is still world's most dangerous country to visit. Aussies please cancel this tour. If some Tish happens, NO COUNTRY WOULD EVER VIST PAKISTAN . It would actually be a huge loss for pakistan and world cricket. So for benefit of all and world peace and for all cricket lovers in this world, I'd like to urge PCB to give it up and move on. Select neutral venue like india or some other country instead. Peace Out . SAchiN FaN , Florida, USA .

  • Omer Admani on February 16, 2008, 1:41 GMT

    Why don't we just call back Zimbabwe? I don't see what's wrong with Pak touring Aus for now and Aus touring Pak in 2009? The doctor is nervous I suppose, the wins against Zimbabwe on the flattest of tracks hasn't given him the confidence for Pak to tour Aus or what.

    My only concern is that, asmuch as we can play the blame-game, what happens if the terrorists do target Aus? What about Pak's reputation then? However unlikely it might be, but the situation is somewhat volatile...we have to accept that. It'd be ideal if Aussies tour Pak, but ultimately it is understandable that they will be concerned about security. I think a series against Aus is vital for Circket Pak as it is pretty much on the decline there. We have played India too often recently and the enthusiasm has faded. If Pak can put up a good performance in Aus, then it will rejuvenate cricket in Pak. It sounds logical, if plausible, to visit Ausralia for now. Remove Malik as captain and Pak will be very competitive.

  • Awas on February 16, 2008, 1:36 GMT

    Hassan

    It’s very strange what you actually said. Do you mean you drive your car with your head popped out???

    If so, you are a very dangerous driver indeed.

  • Raj on February 16, 2008, 1:23 GMT

    I am a Sri Lankan living overseas. When SL had problem in the late eighties and mid nineties and I was scared S**t to visit my extended family. Last time when I visited SL in couple of years ago I restricted my movements. I always had that anxiety and was much releived when I left. People may call that cowardly but its natural intinct. Australian cricketers and families are the same. They love the game and enjoy playing cricket. Once that enjoyment is gone they retire (Take good example of Gilchrist). They do not like to consider themselves as political pawns. No one ownes them they are free to do what they think is right for their families. This is the difference in life between here and over there. People over there have difficulty understanding and think this is cultural imperialism, arrogant etc,which is totally misguided. You need interact with ordinary Australians. YES Aussie crickter are idols onfield but off field there are ordinary. Compare that with idols in subcontinent!!!

  • faisal on February 16, 2008, 0:43 GMT

    I thought austrilia is part of colition in fighting war,but i guess they are partner in war but not willing to stand for peace and provide some relife to millions of people by the way of sports.comming and playing is the best thing a country can do then not playing. Austrilia come and play and prove to world that you stand for what you belive in. freedom of sports

  • Sitarah Anjum returning- London-UK on February 16, 2008, 0:28 GMT

    Hum, after reading comments from bloggers it sounds like Noora Kushti (wrestling) is going on. The question is why only Australia moans every time about security issues in Pakistan? If they can stay in England during 7/7 bomab blast then why can’t in Pakistan? At least they have not been into the same situation in Pakistan yet. Whatever they are talking about is just bluff and theory not practical. Pakistan does not have any history of targeting sportsmen. Bombs can blow anywhere and anytime, no country is safe these days. They only need an excuse to cancel the tour so that they can play ICL and make more money. Can someone quote me a single incident where any touring team has ever been hurt in Pakistan? BB’s assassination is of political reasons and I also firmly believe that she was fully responsible and aware of the risks to her life but still she ignored it. How can someone blame this on the entire nation? There is no reason why any terrorist will target Australian team in Pakistan. If terrorist have any reason or interest in Australian cricket team then they can target them in any country, they do not have to wait for them to come to Pakistan. Australia’s A team was already here and they did not have any problem. If they play ICL in India what is the guarantee that they will be safe there? Bomb blasts can take place anywhere these days. Shootings take place in US Universities these days. Does that mean all the students should stop going to Unis? Australians just like to do things their own way and scared to face Sub-continent teams in their backyard for the reasons pointed out by few bloggers already that they can not have clubs, bikinis on beech and girls in a DRY country like Pakistan. If Govt offers them 1st class security they are still moaning. We can’t win against them bcos they simply want to have fun and earn more money by playing ICL in India. PCB should cancel tour of Australia in retaliation and claim heavy compensation for dishonouring the game of Cricket.

    Those who fear death should remember one thing clearly that nobody is mortal. You can still die of any accident while sitting in your drawing room watching propaganda against Pakistan on BBC, Fox, CNN, etc.

    Australians just like to dictate their own rules and now it’s time when PCB should take tough stance in dealing with this issue.

  • Razi Ahmed Va on February 15, 2008, 23:59 GMT

    I am wondering why we have to beg anyone and convince them to visit Pakistan. Jeff Lawson is in pakistan and last time I checked he was Australian.

  • Abhinav on February 15, 2008, 23:38 GMT

    I am an Indian and deeply dissapointed by the comments of Sachin fan and "Mera bharat Mahan", and can ensure pakistanis here that this is not the view help by most Indians, else the Indian team would not have been touring Pakistan every year, when the danger to their lives is much more than probably what Aussie players have. For that matter, I dont even think "Sachin fan" and "Mera bharat mahan" are actually Indians, but maybe they are some whites only, and they are trying to divide India and Pakistani people the same was as the Britishers divided us during our freedom struggle. I urge the Indians and Pakistanis to ignore such posts and work towards a better and more powerful subcontinent.

    The only point I don't like about this article is that why is KA talking of Pakistan as a poor country and asking for sympathy from Australia. With wonderful people like Pakistanis and Indians are, they can never be poor countries.

  • MO on February 15, 2008, 23:30 GMT

    I do understand aussies concern about not touring pakistan.just put yourself in aussies shoes to undertsand the whole situation, its very difficult to go ahead with tour when whole country is in dilema and going to nowhere but on the other side rather than we blame aussies, we should realise the international media campaign against our country.when benazir was assassinated politically, bbc was crying civil war in paksitan, 40 people died,(out of 160 million!) and when in kenya almost 1000 people got killed that country was not heading towards civial war? so my fellow pakistanis we should first cope with this rubbish media before blaming anyone else.cricketers sitting at home watching these crape news channels about our country and you just simply cant blame them if they have fear of their lives.I think aussies shouldnt tour pakistan as we have more problems to sort out and also as someone already said, it will be more shameful if they leave the tour after fire cracker

  • SamD on February 15, 2008, 23:00 GMT

    Who are you addressing this to? To ordinary Australians? We don't decide the tour you idiot. The players and the authorities do. Try addressing your letter to them.

  • Viswanadh, India on February 15, 2008, 22:55 GMT

    The reason for Australian board trying not to tour Pak is very evident. It's because of the IPL. The Australian board knows that there will not be a security problem in Pakistan as many teams have toured Pakistan in recent times.

  • dr tanzil ahmad on February 15, 2008, 22:18 GMT

    Nobody expected the Aussies to come, shame IPL have a greater significance to them than representing their country.

  • Paul Of Melbounre on February 15, 2008, 22:17 GMT

    As an Australian I hope that we tour Pakistain this year. Be that as it may, it will all depond upon the upcoming election.If God forbid civil war breaks out(and we all can not kid ourselves, there is a great chance of that happening) the question remains, is it really worth the risk? Imangine the publicity the terrorists will aquire if they are seccussfull and kill the world champions with a road side bomb? Would Pakistain really ever recover from something like that? i.e The Munic Olympics. Australia no longer tours Zimbabwe for it is unsafe. Other countries have also boycotted Zimbabwe. It is unfortunate that world issues often effect sports events, but that is a simple fact of life and something that we all have to deal with and plan around. Pakistain was once a great team who installed fear into other countries. Pakistain has the potential to one day be great again. If Australia does not tour this year it will be a loss for cricket I just hope it doesn't cost too many cricket fanS

  • wifey@lycos.com on February 15, 2008, 22:11 GMT

    So I must be happy to let my husband to go on a 2 month stint in Pakistan irrespective of the carnage and violence going on accross Pakistan ? To satisfy some huge egos over there ? We are not playing politics and displaying cultural imperialism etc. We just love life and naturally scared of our loved ones. Whats wrong with that ?

  • Owais on February 15, 2008, 22:08 GMT

    I live in Pakistan and situation is not the way people are mentioning over here. Western media has totally overwhelmed your mind. Bombs do not go off as often as you guys have mentioned. Aussies just don't like to be in Pakistan, b/c they will not get to dance at the night clubs and drink alcohol.

  • criketlover on February 15, 2008, 22:07 GMT

    I think the reason Australia doesn't want to tour Pakistan is because they don't exactly know what the situation is really like out there. You can't blame them for it, if they are doing it for safety reasons.

  • Adnaan on February 15, 2008, 21:59 GMT

    Hammad the post u posted on the 14th feb is stupid, you should think about what you write before u put stuf like that down.

    If you want 2 go into pakistani politics which you are obvsiouly doing then contact me and we will see who is safe and unsafe

    YOU PLONKER

  • Nicki on February 15, 2008, 21:49 GMT

    Hi Kamran, I am a wife of an australian cricketer. We have two lovely kids and I love them and my husband very much. I don't want him to travel to Pakistan because I am scared. Is it wrong to be scared ? Should I think, yes its ok even if his life could be in jeopardy for the "greater cause" you are are speaking ? You sound very brave ans seem to have high moral standards so thats good on you. But we here are cowards (certainly not arrogant) and low moral standards...so leave at that o'k ?

  • rext on February 15, 2008, 21:42 GMT

    Those who think Australians are cowards are simply ignorant fools! Learn some history. These men are cricketers with wives and families who live in a society untouched by the violence that seems so commonplace many Pakistanis have become indifferent to it! Our cricketers are NOT soldiers refusing to go to battle, nor do they have any obligation or duty to "entertain" you! Why should your wish for fun and entertainment be of the slightest importance to the Australian players when compared to their own lives? How selfish, uninformed and ignorant are you?

  • yohan on February 15, 2008, 21:36 GMT

    We are dealing with people here. Cricketers are not commodities. They have friends,loved ones and family. They have the right to be scared. Maybe we Australians (amidst the vilolence and scant disregard for life in some parts of the world) are sissies like one Sri Lankan minister (who was later assasinated said of Warne in 1996). So lets leave at that ok? Happy ??

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 15, 2008, 21:24 GMT

    So, Pakistan is inviting the Indians to play an ODI series in Pakistan i.e., to compensate the loss of revenue 'coz of Australia has officially canceled the tour? I don't think the Indians would be interested in playing in Pakistan, especially after their hectic tour to Australia. Besides, Baby Mule-ick's team isn't that a big challenge. The PCB should give up on hosting any international tournament in Pakistan for the time being and, ask CA to compensate for the the losses.

  • Saurabh on February 15, 2008, 21:11 GMT

    Can any Pakistani here be honest to himself and guarantee that, if the PML-Q comes to power in Pakistan after the elections, there won't be an upsurge in violence?

  • dr_Love on February 15, 2008, 20:56 GMT

    follwoing are the great comments by and Australian.

    Posted by: Shane at February 14, 2008 11:50 PM

    It really sucks that my Aussie team wont be touring for what would be an awesome series. It's clear players are up for it but have been gagged by Cricket Australia. If some players really didn't want to go, there are plenty of star state players that could be selected. Ah, up yours Cricket Australia!

  • Awas on February 15, 2008, 20:52 GMT

    JAVED A KHAN

    A fitting response to Mere Bharath Mahan and Sachin Fan. They have done nothing but blabbed about their own narrow minded prejudicial political ideology. It was only Kamran’s generosity that he allowed their comments even though they were completely off track.

    So, guys as you are not so bright about non-cricketing issues, stick to cricket that you may know a little.

  • Kunal on February 15, 2008, 20:41 GMT

    Javed A Khan

    You certainly cannot take what you have been dishing out to Indians for so many months.

  • IPL will eat cricket on February 15, 2008, 20:17 GMT

    Everyone loves their lives and when you see the amount of bloodshed in Pakistan, any one would be afraid to tour right now, even the crazy Indians.

    Though I know Aussies will be safe in Pakistan 'cause Mush is not trying to kill 'em like poor Benazir.

  • amer Husain on February 15, 2008, 19:40 GMT

    Re: Bharat's comments above.

    Very eloquently put Bharat.

  • frednork on February 15, 2008, 19:38 GMT

    if it is so safe, then why was the pakistani cricket board not able to convince the australian team to go? as for the australian team not being a target - really? are you all members of a terorist group (oh hang on that would be tarring all pakistanis with the same brush). perhaps if teh hate level was not so high, the australians might travel to pakistan.

  • dr_Love on February 15, 2008, 19:35 GMT

    i enjoys pakistan cricket with Englang a lot more than boring onesided series with Aus.

    I love English cricket team more than any other cricket team. though englis cricket is litle down from last couple years but i am hoping english team will come on top of world pretty soon.

  • frednork on February 15, 2008, 19:32 GMT

    steve - good pass on nigeria. My inlaws did it for 3 years, armoured car, driver , guards the whole lot. in the end the bullet proof glass was all that saved them... stangeley they preferred nigeria to iran... lets see, choice between $$$ in India, and sceurity hell in Pakistan - gee, i wonder which anyone would take. As for australia fearing pakistan, we do fear you, we fear that the series would be a whitewash and boring. the latest series against india was fantastic as was ashes 05. Ashes 07, while good for the soul (revenge is best serrved cold and all that) it was only good for the fact we whupped the poms. Give us a good opposition and it becomes a challenge, not something to fear. (after all, its jsut cricket...)

  • dr_Love on February 15, 2008, 19:28 GMT

    i read the comments of both sides fans and reach the conclusion both countries shouldn't play cricket in eachother countries.

    My question to all of ICC fans, cricket fans, aussie fans and lot of indian supporting aussies fans.. . if AUS doesn't tour to pakistan then what are ur thoughts that pakistan should go to AUS in 2009? if any of u said yes then i would say its totally nonsense answer, beacuse u are saying to one country don't visit and expecting from other country to visit. pak cricket team shouldn't tour to aus if they don't tour this time.

    Its not pakistan cricket team's responsibility to entertain aussies fans in 2009 march 2009. i think better for aussies players again to play IPL or call Bangladesh and and ebjoy the cricket summer.

  • B. Khan on February 15, 2008, 19:21 GMT

    Surely such patriotic talk may soothe many, but the fact remains that I will not visit pakistan in this turmoil let alone advise australians to do so. The 160 million that Mr Abassi talks about will gladly swap a place with him in england. In any case the visit of the australians or any other team is not to pakistan but to a cricket ground in karachi and places in punjab the rest of the country is too hostile/worthless to consider even in the best of times.

  • Sensible blogging on February 15, 2008, 19:12 GMT

    Mr. Abbasi you are doing a very poor job of filtering your blog. There are blogs that are inflammatory, targeting religion, nationality etc. that should be blocked. people can think and say what they want to but in appropriate forum. This message is not so much for posting on your blog but a request for you to discard blogs that touch religious sensitivities.

  • Travis on February 15, 2008, 18:54 GMT

    Waqas:

    "5) Are Australian players' lives MORE important than the above cricketers' lives? Are their lives more valuable? I would like an answer to this question."

    The answer to that question is NO. No one is denying that.

    But at the same time you are arguing that the Aussies should show all prudence aside and trust that the extremists in Pakistan would never target them. Why are you so sure that will not be the case? Or is it that you would only momentarily care if the Aussie team was killed by an ideology that has made it very clear that Aussies are some of their most desired targets?

    I would like an answer to that question, Waqas.

  • Shahid on February 15, 2008, 18:54 GMT

    Stuff their mouth with money and they will be running after you like they are running towards IPL to make few extra bucks. If they think there are no security issues in India while playing in a meaningless IPL then they are certainly living in fool's world. Other teams travelled to Pakistan and other parts of the world where bombs were exploding and played cricket without any problem but it is only Aussies who seem to think that there lives are somehow more valuable than other nations. If that's how they want to think then they might just stay in their homes and play cricket in their backyards since the world out there is a much more dagerous place. How did they continue playing cricket when bombs exploded just a few miles away from the cricket ground in England, have Aussie parents recalled their sons and daughters from the American universities where suicide shooters are killing students more frequently than the bombs are exploding in Pakistan? It's just rubbish and doublestandards.

  • dr_Love on February 15, 2008, 18:47 GMT

    PBC please no and never No NEUTRAL VENUES to any teams, Don't give the NEUTRAL VENUES to IPL money gunry people.

  • Pir Ali Raza on February 15, 2008, 18:45 GMT

    When our so called 'arch rivals' who we faught 3 wars with (called India) can come here and play without any trouble, why cant Australia come here? This shows how white people are ignorant and fail to understand the dynamics of a different culture. People in Pakistan love cricket and they would never harm a cricketer. Its a shame

  • dr_Love on February 15, 2008, 18:44 GMT

    As Nation is simply Crazy about Cricket. Australians simply are running after more money. I request PCB to reciprocate by boycotting the 2009 tour to Australia. I mean If GREAT ENGLAND, GREAT SOUTH AFRICA, and GREAT INDIA can be safe in Pakistan than believe it, every team can be. No neutral venues IF they are coming to Pakistan, fine otherwise Plz Cancel the tour.

    PCB please No neutral venues No neutral venues No neutral venues No neutral venues No neutral venues , we don't want it ever, pcb u already made a biggest mistake in the pak to give neutal venues.

  • HSH on February 15, 2008, 18:27 GMT

    When the PCB cheif somehow guarantees the safety of a cricket team it makes me think that we are letting the others die by choice. If we can guarantee someones safety the way THE DOCTOR claims he can then why are we not doing it for all the people dying on the streets? Why save those safety measures for cricketers? Stupidity should have a limit, even in PCB. And with all due respect to you Mr.Abbasi, this blog of yours ranks right there with the one you wrote before the WC-- "Only Australia stands in the way". I think you are a great writer except that sometimes your patriotism gets hold of your rationality.

  • Raman on February 15, 2008, 18:27 GMT

    Pakistan,time and again, prove that it is the epicenter of terrorism. Public in most countries denounce it but in Pakistan, they help grow exponentially, as recent events suggest. About security agences, less said the better. In any case, current Pakistan team cannot even give a fight to Australia. In fact, Pakistan will be better off if Aussies don't tour. Pakis can then claim that they would have defeated Aussies.

  • dr_Love on February 15, 2008, 18:24 GMT

    many Indian posters said here totally nonsense, first why u Indian can't protect your prime ex-minister, even she was not axed when she was killed she was a prime minister of the country. i think u Indians shouldn't forget Indhra Ghandi.

    in political parties crowds many people comes with the guns, pistol not only in Pakistan every country in the world, yes government provided her security who told her to go outside her bus and ask people to killed her. could u tell me where more bombs were blasted in history Mumbai or Lahore? can i tell u how many people in history are killed in the elections campaigns all over the world? What nonsense to comparing bananas with mangoes Reply to Posted by: RahulDravidFan at February 14, 2008 7:42 PM

    The blasts in Mumbai and London should not be compared to situations in Pakistan. Why should the Aussies go?? Pakistan couldn't protect its ex PM just before the most important date of the year for them, the elections, so whats the guarantee

  • Wahid on February 15, 2008, 18:20 GMT

    Continued...... They imposed martial law and they killed her off. Cricketing wise, the terrorists would not harm any cricketer - but I understand The Aussies not coming after the media hype surrounding the situation. Another thing, do you really think that AL-CIA-DUH really exists - its more of a myth then anything. There is no doubt there are terrorists but where did they initially come from. so wake up people. wakeupfromyourslumber(dot)com

  • Wahid on February 15, 2008, 18:16 GMT

    Listen people, especially the western people. You people think you know everything, your media is controlled by Zionists. They feed you whatever they want you to listen to. So I'm not surprised that most of you are thick in the head regarding the so called terrorists. If I were Australia, I would not want to tour Pakistan, this is from watching the media in the West. The media in the West deceives people. It is Australia's decision to make. The people that think they know it all - I ask them who created, funded and trained the terrorists - America did, the helped the Taliban. Bin Laden was a CIA agent, now he is a wanted man. He died two weeks after 9/11 so who is the Bin Laden they are hunting now, yes he is a boogie man. Most of you readers may be surprised or shocked. Bhutto was killed by her own government to please America because she revealed what was meant to be a secret, she said Bin Laden is dead, 12 hours later, Pakistan imposed martial law.

  • Muhammad Hasan on February 15, 2008, 18:02 GMT

    Well done Kamran. I agree with you one hundred percent. The history of violence in Pakistan has almost always been linked to politics and government organizations. If anything, the game of cricket further enhances the unity of Pakistanis and foreigners alike; as seen in recent India/Pakistan tours.

  • Farhan on February 15, 2008, 17:44 GMT

    I Can not believe that some one with a sane mind would actually compare Road Crossing with Bombing!!! seriously? I am from Pak and I won't Blame CA if they were to choose to opt out of the Tour. Can you guarantee that you can protect someone in Pak from any bombing? Can you? IF you say YES, then my friend you may have a very well Paid Job waiting in Pak Army/Police/ISI. the fact is that, it will be up to terrorists. Canceling future tours to AUS , as so many are suggesting, will only hurt Pak cricket more. Those talking about SA and WI tour, please don’t compare Pak current situation with SA and WI, you are only insulting your own intelligence

  • Travis on February 15, 2008, 17:30 GMT

    Bharat:

    Take your evangelism elsewhere. This is a cricket blog and I have no interest in hearing any kind of religious mumbo-jumbo.

  • ismail on February 15, 2008, 17:25 GMT

    Pakistan has always been a fragile place to visit. Even so now with elections around the corner-remember that one of the prime candidate has just recently been assasinated. Take into account the war ravaged baluchistan, taliban shifting base into tribal areas of pakistan, suicide bombings becoming the new rage and u have a country sitting on a time bomb.It would be wise to put on hold this trip and try to make it up later when the country has settled down to some sort of order. Regardless of what people like abbasi say,there is too much of a risk right now. If they think pakistan is as safe as england, austalia or even india, they are fooling themselves and they know it. I found a lot of comments arguing that the tour should go on and found each to be naive or frankly speaking, stupid.-like the one about aussies playing high risk games like racing and so should risk terrorists. If i had the time and i would say exactly why i would reply to all of them.

  • Hassan on February 15, 2008, 17:21 GMT

    Its quite amazing that we consider a country secure as long as you do not pop your head out of your car. I feel so secure now, and I think Aussies should visit Pakistan, and play cricket indoors with no crowd, and Aussies please do not pop your head out anywhere.

    Security = save your ownself from being exposed. (you may breathe the air)

  • piyush bakshi on February 15, 2008, 17:03 GMT

    Tours to pakistan have been canceled before, i think it was the new zealand tour.. the risks of a car accident and other such risks are not relevant, the issue here is that mad mullahs might just kidnap and decapitate a cricketer to show that they are boss in that part of teh world and the fact is that their writ does run large there...

    stop blaming the aussies and do a realty check, its not about a nation coming to grip with islam as you euphemistically put, paksitan was not formed as a muslim country, i think it was a secular state. its about fostering terrorism and now the birds have come home to roost. there is no comparison between mumbai, london or other spots that you mention vis a vis pakistan, the only similarity is that the bombings are carried out by muslims...

    dont vent your frustrations on the aussies, do a reality check and some introspection, why is it that muslims everywhere are at strife, the answer is not out, its within. a sincere decent and open effort will help

  • Travis on February 15, 2008, 17:02 GMT

    Posted by: Imran at February 15, 2008 3:31 PM

    "this is so common with white people (i am not racist)"

    ROTFLMAO.

  • Unofficial PCB on February 15, 2008, 16:44 GMT

    Aussies should not be worried of terrorists at all in Pakistan, after all it's run by PAK officials and i don't think they want to harm Aussies National Team.Problem with PCB is they can't admit that terrorists won't attack any National Cricket Team from outside since it's a show run by our own Officials.

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 15, 2008, 16:10 GMT

    We have been talking about cricket but, some nuts and dolts like, Mere Bharat Mahan and Sachin Fan come to Pak Spin with an avowed purpose of distracting the people from discussing the subject and hope to ruin the atmosphere. Instead of staying on track, they use abuse and try to twist the debate and make it look like a religious or a political arena. So, I feel the need to respond to them and I request Kamran to kindly let my riposte be published like a tit for tat retort. First, a quick rejoinder for this ignorant Mahan who claims that the blasts in India, "were carried out by your ISI" ! What a "mahan samasiya"? Mere Bharat Nadaan, you are proving that your Mahan nation is actually run and controlled by a bunch of so-called brainless, terrorists and a handful of people from the neighbour's intelligence agency? What a shame that, you poor creatures have no control over them. So, wtf this Mahan means?

  • Bharat on February 15, 2008, 15:41 GMT

    You briefed it Kamran. Pakistan is country struggling with identifying with Islam. The problem is not Islam...rather understanding of Islam. Islam is not the dogmatic herestic religion as preached by countless people around the world. Once you know real Islam all the problems of world would seize to be. Islam and Allah is not the property of Muslim world. Allah and Islam is for entire humanity ..so start identifying fellow human being as brother and sister..not in Islam but in humanity and you will have the answer.

  • Imran on February 15, 2008, 15:31 GMT

    this is so common with white people (i am not racist) to blow things out of proportion. The situation is not as bad as you people make it out to be and bombs don't go off everyday. What happened to Bhutto was a planned murder by a group of 5, maybe you people don't read the real news but rely on stereotypes. As previously stated it was also a political move rather than a terrorist act. Why would terrorists target a cricket team??? Even if the Aussie army are helping out in Afghanistan it will not affect cricket teams, if the terrorists were all anti-Australia, i am sure there would have been terrorist attacks in the Australia already.

    In any case this blog has also been blown out or proportion because this is was a plea by Mr. Abbassi, he was not forcing anythin. I hope he does have the right to make this plea. If you do not want to tour that will be up to you and will show the difference a little bit of money can make. Go ahead make your money from IPL you so-called cricket lovers!

  • Steve on February 15, 2008, 15:24 GMT

    I'm not sure how something like this gets published. If you're going to write on a reasonably respected forum like Cricinfo, you should at the very least make an attempt to be even-handed. What we have here is nothing more than a childish diatribe.

    I'd love to see if Mr.Abbasi is willing to report on local cricket in Chechnya for some time. After all, he claims to be a cricket writer and must be quite brave to be able to call these young men cowards.

    While I agree its a huge pity that the people of Pakistan won't get to see what could likely be some great cricket and the balance of probability is that the tour would have passed without incident, the fact remains that we in the west see Pakistan as an extremely dangerous place currently...and for good reason.

    I was recently asked by my company to manage the Nigerian arm for a few months. I refused (the wife would have killed me otherwise). I don't think that makes me a coward.

  • ghulam on February 15, 2008, 15:15 GMT

    i get the point umar rashid, thats what im sayin we dont want them here anyway. lol they got double standards, hypocrites, they jus lookin for excuses not to tour so be it. they'l end up crying so leave them alone lol oh wait they have already.

  • Waqas on February 15, 2008, 15:10 GMT

    Hi guys,

    I would only like to make the following points:

    1) Zimbabwe toured Pakistan just about 2-3 weeks ago...BB's assasination had only been about 3 weeks before they landed...WHAT happened?? NOTHING!!

    2) SA visited in October-November 2007..they were there when BB was attacked in Karachi...but NOTHING happened to them.

    3) India, SL, England, NZ, WI, all these teams have visited Pakistan after the last time Australia didn't visit i.e. in 2002. NOTHING happened. Heck, even Australia's A teams visited Pakistan a couple of times during that period

    5) Are Australian players' lives MORE important than the above cricketers' lives? Are their lives more valuable? I would like an answer to this question.

  • cb fry on February 15, 2008, 15:10 GMT

    australia are not touring pakistan because they just don't like the country, we have to face honest facts. aussies cricketers are tired, need a rest, want to spend time with their families, and hate the lack of alcohol and nightclubs in pakistan. this isn't really about safety. these same cricketers would love to go to jamaica, with kingston being the murder capital of the world, but they hate pakistan. they have not toured since 1998. even england has toured twice since then. india, the nuclear "enemy" has neen twice since then even (and they enjoyed it and were given amazing hospitality)!

    as far as mr geoff plumbridge and his stupid, arrogant comment go - you may think we are uncivilised, but even we don't have a generation of "stolen children".

  • Imran on February 15, 2008, 15:01 GMT

    This is for hammad who writes that he feels unsafe in his own country!

    Well hammad im not surprised since you live abroad, but why do you return to pakistan? unfortunately we have people like you in this world, who will not fight for what is right but are more worried about their image and their safety. If you do not want to see cricket happening between australia and pakistan, because pakistan might lose then admit it. It is about time pakistan start playin cricket against the top teams.

    btw the government was not keen on providing Bhutto top security in anycase, ricky ponting wont be running in the elections so i am sure the government will give them good enough security!

    BE PROUD OF WHERE YOU ARE FROM NOT ASHAMED!!!

  • umar Bin Ali on February 15, 2008, 14:49 GMT

    I am a Pakistani living in Lahore(thats in pakistan btw). To be very honest, i believe that its CA's call whether they want thair team to travel or not. whether they do so or not, we should not create fuss. Its just like 2 people talking who have difference views on the subject . We need to respect their concerns and views , afterall they would come to a conclusion after thorough investigation.

  • Atif on February 15, 2008, 14:48 GMT

    People are increasingly bringing in the ex-PM assassination. Please note that it is still being investigated. A political personality who wants public attention to seek her way to the corridores of power is different from the foreign cricketers, whose public presence requirements are not the same.

    I do empathise with the Aussies, however, who live by the news items. I think two things must happen: - CA should definitely send its security envoy to check the ground situation. - We can be optimistica about post election scenario until then and let's not rule it out right away. - Pakistan should do their best to satisfy the 'realistic' concerns of the Aussies. Imaginations, however, can never be riened in.

    Please consider that, South Africans, Zimbabweans, most of the Indians, all of whom have visited Pakistan in the recent past were all 'infidels'. South Africans, were also 'white' (well quite a few of them). Aussies are no different.

  • M B Khan on February 15, 2008, 14:24 GMT

    Dear Aussies, replace the A with a P

  • Rahul on February 15, 2008, 13:56 GMT

    Can anyone please answer as to why did india and pakistan not play each other in a bilateral series in the 1990s? Was it due to security concern? And when did the SA team visit pakistan? Was it before the imposition of the emergency rule and Ms. Bhutto's assasination? And all those who say that aussies dont want to tour because they are more keen to play in the IPL, well some news for you. Australia are to tour west indies from may 10 and thats also bang in middle of the IPL season- in fact 3 weeks before the end of the 1st season. But there are no reports of the australians saying no to the west indies tour...or are they saying no to tour the west indies as well? If not, then i guess money is not the prime motivator to say no the pak tour as pointed out by most of the posters. As for some posters who obviously hail from pakistan but find living in the US or canada better than their home country, walk the talk please.

  • Tahar on February 15, 2008, 13:55 GMT

    To Peter:

    I am wondering if you're just as uneducated and dimwitted as the people that you're trying to bash, because if I recall correctly the tour will take place after the national elections, almost certainly a time when tensions should have died down.

    The fact that the Aussies don't want to tour full stop regardless of what happens, shows it just isn't in their plans at all. Australia have pretty much been the only team over the past 7 years that has flat out refused any tours with Pakistan.

    And as usual take a look at the a lot of the westerners hate filled, bigoted comments. I suppose they need a venting knowing their stupid war on terror is failing. Carry on with your diatribe it isn't getting you anywhere.

  • Travis on February 15, 2008, 13:52 GMT

    I find it amazing that amongst all the references by above posters about the 7/7 bombings, 9/11, JFK assasination, (even Diana and the recent egg-throwing incident for goodness sake),etc, there has been only ONE mention of the 2002 Bali bombings.

    You might have heard of it? 202 people were killed, 88 of them Australians, by people who despised the way they were, to paraphrase Kamran, "wallowing in the splendour of their rich world lifestyles". Kamran is attacking the Aussies for not touring whilst also revealing that he shares the very same contempt for Westerners that led to fundamentalist morons causing such tragic loss of life.

    Australia doesn't want to tour because, as the Bali bombings showed beyond a skerrick of doubt, there ARE Muslim extremists who want to kill Australians. FACT.

    And, quite frankly, anybody who claims that Pakistan doesn't harbour more than its fair share of the exact same type of individuals needs to get their head out of the sand. I wouldn't go.

  • T on February 15, 2008, 13:45 GMT

    Lots of absolute rubbish being posted in this thread. Not surprisingly it's the usual western supremacist high horse brigade who want to villify Pakistan at every opportunity. The same people who opened their disgusting mouths with the Bob Woolmer fiasco and are still mouthing off today. No one learns.

    If the Aussies don't tour then the PCB should at least should get compensation. But after seeing India, England, South Africa and Zimbabwe tour in peace I presume the Aussies are too scared to tour. Oh well they're like their soldiers then, if they had any bottle then the Taliban would have been defeated by now in Afghanistan rather than being on the rise. Ha Ha.

  • Hassan on February 15, 2008, 13:44 GMT

    To love Pakistan, must one love Musharraf and not criticize chaos he has created? In his 8 years, country has gone from bad to worse in so many aspects. But if someone believes to enforce liberalism on people whether they want it or not, yeah Musharraf is the man.

  • Johnny Dangerously on February 15, 2008, 13:25 GMT

    Hey "Hammad Siddiqi, Cincinnati, Ohio" , have you ever visited an Indian video on youtube, just look at the invective laid low by Pakistanis there, ivectives thrown at pretty much everything Indian, people, culture, religion, women everything and you gloat about Pakistanis having the moral high ground?Everywhere , everyplace there is a anti-India sentiment within the Pakistani community. Just accept it, Pakistan is in a dire predicament, yes it is sad but true. About the Perth test, know this India stood solidly behind Pakistan when you were crying about a Hair in your midst, crying about the same things that you accuse India of now.

  • Arshad on February 15, 2008, 13:15 GMT

    If australians are not coming- I think that would be best news for pakistan cricket for a long while.they will be saved lot of humiliation as they will be battered all round the park.they should thank their GOD that they wont come, as they would expose the negativity and defensive mindedness of shoib malik and his mediocre team of non- professioals. So pcb- just sit silent

  • Shazad Ahmed Washington D.C on February 15, 2008, 13:02 GMT

    To Victor Trumpet: What an imagination you have, Women are treated a thrash in Pakistan and comparing South African racism with Pakistan. We have more women in any medical college in pakistan than australian medical college. Pakistani women are more empowered than any westren women and they are in the national assembly, provincial assembly and senate. They play sports, they do perrforming arts and what not.

  • Ramesh Bala on February 15, 2008, 12:57 GMT

    Nathan reckons that it is stupid compare 2005 London bombings with the current siuation in Pakistan. Perhaps not with the benefit of hind-sight.

    But put yourself in July 2005, 55 people killed in a terrorist attack in London, 2 weeks later another attempt and police were no closer to solving the case. But the Aussies did not feel threatened. Imagine the same thing had happened in India or Pakistan, the Aussies would have queued up at the airport before one could count to 10. That comes down to their perception about the sub-continent. They have a general feeling that the administration is lax in our countries but in UK it is strong, which is not true.

  • Bamboo on February 15, 2008, 12:54 GMT

    Kamran, how is your editing business going on? When you write something about somebody, why do you drag India into...be honest and do your primary role as a physician. you can not rule cricket...

  • Rauf on February 15, 2008, 12:37 GMT

    I think a clear picture is emerging now. Read the article http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ipl/content/current/story/336746.html specially second to the last paragraph.

    It's all about allmighty $$. "Concern about current security situation in Pakistan" is just a red herring. Ponting, Symonds, Harbajan, BCCI/CA and the like have already forgotten about Sydney/Vodadora "monkey" business BECAUSE of the allmighty $$ to be made in IPL and there are Pak players signing up for IPL too. Nothing wrong with securing one's financial future BUT please stop making other excuses. People are much more intelligent then to believe this "security" crap.

  • aamir on February 15, 2008, 12:32 GMT

    well the truth is that the current pakistan team lacks the charm, grace, grace, skill, threat to challenge any other team beyond bangladesh and zimbabwe, unfit bowlers, thoughtless batsmen(except misbah,younus,) passionless captain who has no place in a test team, a wicket-keeper who seems to be playing for opposition when he is behind the wickets, what will a team like Australia come for, and dont forget the wickets, where southafricans won in the spin department, and i dont even consider pak batsmen good players of average spin forget about shane warne,anilkumble, even hogg will be too much for them. If i was Australian i would simply put pakistan security situation as an excuse forward to take a breather from international schedule

  • Imran Ahmad Khan on February 15, 2008, 12:28 GMT

    Very true Mr. Kamaran. To all the aussies out there who are writing comments about us bashing them, wake up. It is more than 50% of the entire cricket playing world who is not happy with the aussie attitude and arrogance. Just go back in recent past with India, Sri Lanka. If CA decides to cancel the tour, PCB should do the same. And to the writer who said that Pakistan is a B grade team, have they forgot their recent defeat in our hands in twenty20.

  • Dhruv Mullick on February 15, 2008, 11:49 GMT

    This is a reply for Stuart, you are absolutely right might, Kamran is a complete personification of double standards. He lives in London if im not mistaken , why dosent he move to pakistan if he loves it so much

  • Steve on February 15, 2008, 11:28 GMT

    Can we have a less of bloggers with Pakistani affiliations bagging a team that is cncerned about their safety ? This discussions appears to be more about Australian bashing than sensibly discussing legitimate concerns. Maybe Pakistanis need to see the way their country's turmoil is portrayed in the media to understand why there is this concern. Australia's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan make them unique (with UK) in the world of cricket - so no more insulting our intelligence with comments suggesting that other national teams were safe, and that no cricketers have been hurt in Pakistan. No one had thought of crashing planes into skyscrapers until recently - there is always a first time. By the way, in which country is Osama bin Laden rumoured to be hiding ? Given that he has threatened Australia in his various communications over recent years, the concerns expressed by Australian cricketers are legitimate. Australian cricketers are as entitled to anyone else to a safe workplace.

  • Salman Ilyas on February 15, 2008, 11:11 GMT

    Well i guess Pakistanis are brave enough to tour India in 1999. When the threats coming from all the corners even the pitch was dug out. So what kind of security in India at that time? Media potraits the image of Pakistan in wrong way. They create hyph over and over again. I know this is a tense situation but its not that if Aussie will come here and get bombed at airport. And for the Indians who are constantly sticking their nose in this matter.India's three PM assassinated and still they (Aussie) want to go there. So there is no place on this Earth or U can say in the Universe where u can cheat death.

  • wasif on February 15, 2008, 11:11 GMT

    no one should blame the aussies for not coming. Put ureself in their shoes...not much of an incentive to risk their lives...playing against a country so much lower on the rankings proves nothing. Its just not worth it...even financially it makes more sense for them to play ICL...for those who disagree, put ureself in their shoes and see wat u wud have done....

    And i live in Karachi...and have to admit that there is almost 1 suicide bombing in the country EVERY DAY! The days following B.B's assasination, it was a war zome everywhere...how can u expect them to tour in such circumstances?

  • Scarecrow on February 15, 2008, 10:26 GMT

    Kamran, u my friend are officially the worst writer in this world. U have just put up a topic that u clearly knew would get a lot of people to respond. U have have got ur facts wrong, did not a bomb go off in front of the New Zealand team? Get a life.

  • David Furrows on February 15, 2008, 10:20 GMT

    You completely miss the point in focusing on security.

    There is a much bigger danger to Pakistan cricket right now, and that is the blind adherence to the Indian line in the IPL/ICL schism.

    Australia, England and India have such highly paid contracted players that they can afford to top their wages up with the IPL's meagre sums. But for Pakistan and New Zealand's players, the riches offered by the ICL are the only show in town.

    Stephen Fleming's premature retirement is because he can see only endless defeats in a post-Shane Bond world. NZ cricket suffered similarly in the nineties when Rutherford, Parore and Cairns were excluded in favour of the likes of Lee Germon.

    Shoaib Akhtar, Umar Gul and Mohammad Asif will probably never ever be fit and selected to play a Test together, yet the entire back-up attack has gone to the ICL, which ironically would gladly release them for national duty.

    In actual fact, many Aussie players are happy to miss the tour to get their own IPL payments!

  • khansahab returns on February 15, 2008, 9:58 GMT

    Firstly why gang up on Mr Abbasi when he his only presenting his view? Why stereotype saying that all subcontinental writers bash Aussies etc?

    Secondly, those people complaining that Karachi or Pakistan is unsafe- Mr Abbasi has made the specific point in his article that no cricketer has ever been a victim of a terrorist attack and that a Pakistani no matter how religious or extremist, enjoys watching cricket and would love to see Pakistan challenge Australia. If the problem is Karachi only I think the PCB will have little bother changing the venue, possibly Lahore.

    Thirdly, excellent point by Awas when he said that Pakistani govt did not ask the ex-PM to pop her head out of the vehicle outside the rally where the security arrangements were not as pervasive. Hassan, I would rather support a brutal dictatorship than a sham, corrupt and so-called democratic regime where leaders only come to power to benefit their family, friends, localities and businesses and loot the country dry.

  • Owais on February 15, 2008, 9:57 GMT

    All the Paki Bashers: Why South Africa, India and England have visited Pakistan in the recent past while Aussies are going to cancel their second consecutive tour ? the situation is not much different than when Proteas came here ? It is basically media bias that keeps Pakistan's negative image alive and money business (IPL etc).

  • Muhammad Shafiq on February 15, 2008, 9:49 GMT

    Bravo Abid mate---Superb Posted by: Abid Butt at February 15, 2008 6:09 AM

    And above a blogger mentioned, Aus shouldn't travel coz no clubs in Pakistan---- Well, is there more stupidity left? So pakistan should not travel the countries where night clubs are---! ah, Pathatic atleast!

    I have three questions for the Aussies: 1. Were there any tours stopped to India after Indira Ghandi was assisnated? 2. Were there any tours stopped to India after Rajiv Ghandi was assisnated? 3. Does this have anything to do with playing the IPL which coincides with the tour dates?

  • Rahul on February 15, 2008, 9:23 GMT

    while its interesting to note the contrasting viewpoints of the pakistani supporters, its very amusing to note the Indian fans pointing out that Aussies are cowards, wussies, etc if they do not visit pakistan. I would like to ask these indian posters- anand, etc- as to how many times have they visited kashmir,and some north-eastern states in india which are places of strife? And whether they would visit these places for a perid of 8 weeks even if presedential level security was provided to them? If the answer is no..then i would suggest such indian posters to keep shut because they know nothing about the internal affairs of pakistan nor are they brave enough to visit places in their own country which are a mirror image to some extent of the current situation in pakistan.

  • Zeeshan Haider on February 15, 2008, 8:54 GMT

    The general law and order situation in Pakistan is under control but a foreigner has every right to show his apprehensions. When I, being a pakistani and living in Karachi cant risk going to Hub just 20 KM away because of bomb blasts occuring there every now and then, then how can we expect a foreigner who hasn't been to Pakistan, to travel to pakistan even with lot of security arrangements.

  • Mahjabeen on February 15, 2008, 8:54 GMT

    I wonder, if we should a Cricket Team AT ALL. They want to make money at the expense of the honor of the Country and we have issues with Teams refusing to come due to security concerns. We first have a media circus about, would they come or wouldn't they (daily briefings in all papers) and then they humiliate our players in matches / field. Why not just end all this nonsense and just say that, we do not have a Cricket Team and cannot play any matches. I am grateful to all the other people (pommies, aussies etc), who propose different solutions to this problem, but with an apology for one living in Pakistan, I don't want to watch Cricket anymore, if it is creating so many problems for so many others.

  • P.Pranesh on February 15, 2008, 8:24 GMT

    Kamran u r rite when u say aussies are partial when it comes to touring pakistan but that doent mean pakistan is a safe place right now.Karachi isnt anywhere near Mumbai,London or Colombo.

  • Malik on February 15, 2008, 8:14 GMT

    hollllllyyy cow! everyone here who talks about pakistan not capable of being able to protect it's ex-primeminister is a nut. A political assasination is diffferent from an act of terrorism. If the terrorists wanted to make an impact and if u think they're stronger than the Pak army, than wouldn't they have done musharaff in already? Or maybe Nawaz shareef? Also can u not compare a political assasination to that of Indira gandhi in India! or even JFk! or even lame the Us for not being able to protect it's citizens from a catastrophic terrorist attack in the form of 9/11. Just y'day 5 university students were killed by a serial killer in Ohio or smthng. Pakistan is safe as any country, the only reason the australians don't want to tour, mainly symonds and ponting because they're high profile players who rather take the IPL dollar. After pursuing a racist charge against the indians the 2 are now willing to be bought out. And dude, the 2nd home of the chinese ain't pakistan, it's vancouver

  • Imran Zia on February 15, 2008, 7:43 GMT

    The situation at the moment is tense in Pakistan to say the least. I don't blame the aussies for fearing for their livesas they are more valuable than the the millions of Pakistani people. Pakistan is fighting the West's war at the stake of its own people. They ask us to do more and themselves seem to do very little. Many more people have died in Pakistan of the repercussions of the War on terror than the number of fatalities in the 9/11 attack. It is simply evident that Australia's support in the War makes them more vulnerable and there is a sense of guilt in there actions.

  • Sony Mccullm on February 15, 2008, 7:00 GMT

    For all those who suggest that Pakistan should not tour Australia in retaliation I agree. Pakistan are a B grade side and no longer worthy of being a headline act in Australia in the middle of summer. True buddy. Even if the Pakistanis dont come here, we can always invite India over. Afterall this recent test series was most exciting and competitive in past 5 years and atleast Indians give us a fight. Or maybe CA can organise a IPL kind of 20-20 tri-series tournament in Australia during the time Pakistan are slated to visit Austrlia next year(if they boycott). It would be more exciting and more money making venture for CA rather than a one sided Pakistani tour where the Kangaroos will get no competition of any sort based on current form of both teams. So Aussie players can mint money now in IPL after boycotting tour and CA can mint money next year by 20-20 TRISERIES introduction. Its business , nothnig personal. Only if Pakistanis stopped playing with bombs then there no isses

  • Altaf Parkar on February 15, 2008, 6:52 GMT

    If a logical person is asked to choose between a) Go to place where your bus can be blown by a bomb and earn peanuts at same time b) Go to a place where you can make a fortune in weeks and be safe at same time. Its not a difficult choice to make. Is it? Why drag IPL into the issue. They never asked Aussies to abandon Pakistan tour for IPL. Logical people make wise decsion and a wise decsion earn more, play more competitive cricket (If Aussies tour Pak we all know the results) and be safe and enjoy the beaches in India. Wise man make wise decsion. Go Aussies go Go to IPL;)

  • Roger Banks on February 15, 2008, 6:34 GMT

    Whoever said "If Aussies can stay in the UK when the London bombing took place and can stay in moral ground on not coming to Pakistan." Hey mate , we trust UK/Indian officials intention to safeguard westerners. Lets not forget even your esteemed President Musharaf is known to make huges promises he has never manged to keep. He had also offered Benazir Bhttos safety gurantee.We all saw what happened.Its about truut mate. We dont trust that the we can be safe there becasue it is well known fact many sympatisiers with the terrist exist within the govt/police.One terroist sympathiser is enough to bypass thousand security personnel and blow a bomb. In UK/India no sympathisers exist for terorrists so the security agencies can be trusted to do thejob succesfully. We have no travel advisory from govt asking Aussie citizens not to tour India/UK but for Pakistan we have a clear writing "Travel at your own risk or better still Avoid visitng Pakistan " and the cricketers are Aussie citizens.

  • Pugnate on February 15, 2008, 6:22 GMT

    Well I just read Kamran’s “Blog” and I have to say it reads like excrement of a sensation seeking fifteen year old. I’d expect better reasoning from an experienced writer, but his comments are surprisingly silly. In fact they cater to the actual teens that seem to be posting in agreement. First of all, I live in Karachi, and have been here for a few years, and have no qualms admitting that this country isn’t safe. How many suicide bombers have hit policed areas at will? How many times have we worried about our loved ones, wondering if they are perhaps out and about, when a moment of chaos strikes? How many times do we tell our families living abroad to postpone their visits till matters improve? Come on Kamran, stop living in some sort of unreasonable and embarrassing fantasy. Apply the same standards to the Australian team that you would to yourself. If Al Qaeda can get to Bhutto despite the best of security then what are twenty members of an Australian tourist side? The remark about swimming with sharks was just childish. That is a controlled environment, in a cage, with an illusion of danger. This on the other hand, is actually dangerous. I do live in Karach, near Karsaz and Agha Khan, and I have experienced fear. Tours are meant to be conducted with peace of mind. Should the Aussies worry about facing a half-limp Shoaib Akhtar? Or if their bus is going to be hit by a bomber while heading back to their hotel? Such a high profile team means that even fans will stay away from the stadiums. Any rational person would have no trouble admitting that this country has bigger problems than cricket.

  • vas on February 15, 2008, 6:19 GMT

    I understand the sentiments of the Pakistanis, and of Kamran as well. But, a little perspective here.

    For many many years, India and Pakistan did not play series against each other due to safety fears. How then is it justifiable to then attack Australia's safety fears?

    I wont lie and say there isnt a sense of imperialism about the choice to not tour (anyone who thinks there's still a chance of Australia touring are naive). But if security delegations couldnt protect Benazir Bhutto, then what about a bunch of cricketers who for all honesty, are really unpopular in the subcontinent at the moment?

    I'd love for Australia to play in Pakistan, I really would. It's been too long since Australia have challenged themselves in a Test match in the subcontinent.

    And the comments about the Aussies taking up the money and going to India is totally incomparable. In India, politicians arent being killed, and they're not in the firing line of potential terrorism as Pakistan is...

  • Abid Butt on February 15, 2008, 6:09 GMT

    I have three questions for the Aussies: 1. Were there any tours stopped to India after Indira Ghandi was assisnated? 2. Were there any tours stopped to India after Rajiv Ghandi was assisnated? 3. Does this have anything to do with playing the IPL which coincides with the tour dates?

  • Parmeshwar Paraye on February 15, 2008, 5:35 GMT

    Todays match is important for both which decide that who is leading in this tri-siries. Australian is a decesive match to lead in well Gili & Madi is the most important batsman in Ausies Who played intial over of the match & Sri lankan Jaya surya & kumarshekhera young spead'ster make all difference between win of Ausies

  • Peter on February 15, 2008, 5:32 GMT

    I am curious if everyone in Pakistan is as delusional as they are making themselves out to be in support of this "letter." It is obvious that it's not just the terrorists and suicide bombers running unfettered on the streets that are uneducated and desperate.

    90% of the posters on here are clutching at straws. All these comments listing the teams who have toured here in the past couple years are absurd. No one has made mention of the fact that Australia A toured Pakistan in September. South Africa came and went in October, two months before Bhutto was killed. The bombings and attacks have intensified in the last few months. The only team to tour in the time since has been Zimbabwe, a team run by a tyrannous dictator whose cricket board is so desperate and cash strapped that they would do anything for money and to avoid a fine for not touring. Their team is not comprised of the best XI, but XI yes men. There's a reason why Flower, Olonga and Streak stopped representing Zimbabwe.

  • Shazad Ahmed Washington D.C on February 15, 2008, 5:24 GMT

    I would like to share my thoughts on this important issue. We have been living is USA since 2001 and been to the airports, border, roads despite all the wierd things happening. It is very shameful that you stop living due to all those fears. People still travel by flights after 2001. We have can always defeat those elements by showing unity and interfaith among West and east. Pakistan has defintely disturbed areas mainly area adjacent with Afghanistan but none of the matches has been planned close to those areas. As far as Assination of BB is concenred, it was a political procession

  • Jay on February 15, 2008, 5:24 GMT

    If at all anybody should have a reason not to tour India, it's the Indians. And they merrily go to Pakistan, play cricket and go. Why can't the tough Aussie boys indulge in some mental disintegration of terrorists? Tough guys only when all the conditions suit the, eh? Tsk, tsk. they can get easily bumped off in India as well, even during the IPL. How are Symonds and co. safer in India? How convenient that they might all be able to play in the IPL,if the Pak tour does not take place.

    Time for a PPL, I say.

  • Max on February 15, 2008, 5:13 GMT

    Well these crickets have families and it is within their right to not tour if they feel unsafe. I remember Australia touring Bangladesh without any qualms. Pakistan is portrayed such in the world media and it is not the fault of Australian cricketers. I do not know what the ground realities are but from afar, Pakistan is different from London or Mumbai - you only have to see the history of pakistani politics to see the difference. Sad day for pakistani cricket lovers agreed, but the most to blame are the powers that be in pakistan rather than Australian cricketers. They might swim with the sharks because they like to, but that does not mean they not heed to fears they or their families might have. Pakistan should be free to cancel its tour to Australia and there is nothing wrong in that, but let us not dismiss the fears and right of Australian cricketers to say No, thanks.

  • dtn on February 15, 2008, 5:12 GMT

    It is pretty lame to target the aussie players. whether to tour or not is their choice, there is no use mocking them like this- it achieves nothing. Kamran Abbasi should stop hitting below the belt like this.

  • HSH on February 15, 2008, 4:40 GMT

    Let's get a sense of reality. Suicide bombings and dozens of dead bodies on the streets may seem like a normal scene to you Kamran, yet most people in the world prefer to stay away from such environment. This is cricket, not some divine cause for which someone should risk their life. To be honest, cricket shouldn't be on the minds of Pakistanis, fixing the mess should be foremost. Myself and most of us Pakistanis living abroad think ten times before visiting Pakistan and you are painting the picture of serenity. Cricket may create an environment of it's own on the field but the cricketing arenas are part of the same environment that exists in the cities. Your patriotism is understandable Kamran but, fortunately, it does not blindfold the world.

  • Muhammad Shafiq on February 15, 2008, 4:39 GMT

    THANKS JACK RAMSAY, there is nothing to say after your post----BRAVO!

    Posted by: Jack Ramsay at February 14, 2008 5:01 PM

    The reason Australia is not touring Pakistan is because , Austrlia , UK and the US want to see an unstable Pakistan . It seems like just about a year ago a joint anti Pakstan campign was lauched by he likes of BCC , NY Times , CNN and the likes to create chaos at any cost withn Pakistan. Their beloved Musharraf was converted overnight into a tyrant. The deceased imbecile was converted into a champion of democracy.The emotional fools of Pakistan started getting pulled in different directions . Out came chaos ..which was the main objective of the external powers.Cynics woud say , the same people trumpettng instability are the cause of instability. Because just about a year back things were stable there.

    Australia are scared of Pakistan in Pakistan.

  • Raheel Masood on February 15, 2008, 4:15 GMT

    As a proud Pakistani, I would hope they decide to tour and know everything would be done to protect them. While I may not agree with their rationale, I do UNDERSTAND it. Instead of calling them names, I believe one must allow for genuine human emotions and fears regarding the unknown. Living in Karachi, I am confident that things will be alright. But God forbid something happens, even I who want them to come, would feel awful. To say that Benazir could not be protected is ludicrous. A person who knew she was a target stuck her head out of a sunroof in a crowd, putting a bullseye on herself. That isn't smart is it? For those bashing the Pakistani team, get real! It is very easy to make sweeping statements and vent because you think you are right. A little balance and perspective might allow everyone the chance to be fair to both Australia & Pakistan. Whether they come or not, this great game that we love will go on. Come on Australia if you will, but if not, we'll see ya next time!

  • Mere Bharath Mahan on February 15, 2008, 3:50 GMT

    Well, you cannot blame the Aussie for their reluctance to tour Pakistan. May be the Pakistani's posting here are hiding in a cacoon. Own it guys, Pakistan is a terrorist haven. It is a country in decline and the entire world is worried about your nuclear arsenal falling into wrong hands. That is actually funny becasue it is already in wrong hands. There was some trash talking about the Aussies playing in Mumbai or Hyderabad when the bombs went off. The irony there is these blasts are carried out by your ISI. Global terrorisam is a threat and Pakistan is the reason for that.

  • Mr. Right on February 15, 2008, 3:47 GMT

    This is what we call a modern world. Now, we have to deal with it.

  • Shoib Ahmed on February 15, 2008, 3:45 GMT

    If the aussies dont come , then that is their problem. But calling it a security risk so as to garner the riches of IPL , is plain self serving. I think we will be better off without the Aussies playing here ever.

  • Andrew Connolly on February 15, 2008, 3:20 GMT

    Yet more Aussie bashing on cricinfo, well what a surprise ... I dare any of you subcontinental writers to actually contribute something positive about Australian cricket - something which isn't then follwed up with a "but ..."

  • Shahid on February 15, 2008, 3:04 GMT

    Can any Australian explain to me why their players are at more of a risk than the English team who also toured Pakistan? It is no secret that Tony Blair was George Bush's stooge. If I were thinking like a terrorist, English people would be the first after Americans to incur the wrath of the terrorists. So how come the English team came to Pakistan and went without a problem, but the "brave" and "proud" Aussies don't have the f&*^%ing balls to do the same? And for that matter, the Australian A team had no problems on their tour. So does that mean that Australians don't really care about their A team players, they dont have their own lives and families? Or the lives of the Senior team players are somehow more important than the A team players? All I am reading here is pathetic excuses and whining from the Aussies trying to give unrealistic reasons for their refusal to tour, and basically laying bare their ignorance of the details on the ground. Any takers for any answers, Aussies?

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 15, 2008, 3:03 GMT

    I would like to thank the non-Pakistani bloggers who are condemning the Aussies action by calling a spade, a spade. But, then there a few shameless creepers and jeepers from Pakistan who call themselves as decent and never spare a single moment or any opportunity in spilling their venom against the country. It highlights their true fascist feelings and still they have the audaciousness and cheekiness to consider themselves as patriots. I am specifically referring to the person who starts a mechanical hare for a dog race and, in German language he is called, Hasenzieher, sounds familiar? Chullu bhur pani may doob maro.

    Secondly, by initiating this thread KA has not created any controversy, he has stated mere facts, if he is showing a mirror to the Australians why is it looking so ugly to them? Is it their true reflection that is so scary or is it something they like to create out of nothing? When there was a blast in Indonesia several Australian tourists died in it, since then has the Australians stopped going to Indonesia? The Australian A team has recently been to Pakistan. Pakistan's national team coach Geoff Lawson is from Australia and he has spoken several times through the media that there is no eminent danger for the Australian cricket team in Pakistan. Because, Pakistani people do not have any kinda hatred or remorse against the foreigners in general or Australians in particular. So, why make a mountain out of the mole? Why make this such a big issue? Finally, something for Sachin fan, boy you need to look back and get your exhaust fan checked by someone because, it is backfiring in your own backyard with H2S gas.

  • Nathan on February 15, 2008, 2:40 GMT

    Attempts to compare the London bombing in 2005 with the unrest in Pakistan are disingenuous at best, stupid at worst.

    Comments that Australian are only considering boycotting so they can play in the IPL do not explain why the previous Australian tour of Pakistan was also cancelled when there was no IPL. Again, disingenuous or stupid depending on how you wish to interpret it.

    Why would an Australian want to tour Pakistan, if the level of hatred and vitriol towards Australia/Australians displayed by many of the responses here is any indication of the mindset of the average Pakistani? If Mr. abbasi wants to view Australia as a simple stereotype, then he should not complain when others do it to his country.

    And finally, does anyone have any clue as to the point JAVED A KHAN is trying to make, other than that he hates Australians and has no understanding of them or their country? His comments become more obfuscated by the post.

  • Assad Hasanain on February 15, 2008, 2:05 GMT

    My post is a reply to Mr Peter who made some idiotic comments in an earlier post. His comments reflect the thoughts of every other buffoon like him who is influenced by the western media. Now Mr Peter, you said a Peshawar based cricketer was killed in Pakistan. Let me remind you of a certain David Hookes, who was killed in Australia in 2004. Now of course a sensible individual would realize that his killing was a random act of violence. But of course an idiot like you would find a new way to interpret this. If you applied your idiotic method of interpretation (which you used to link the Peshawar based cricketer’s death to a possible terrorist plot) it would imply that David Hookes death was a terrorist action and consequently Australia was no longer safe to tour. Seriously, think about it….. If an Australian domestic coach (and former cricketer) is not safe in his own country how can we expect 15 brown Pakistani cricketers to be safe there? And given the fact that the Australian government was unable to provide protection to him what assurances can they give to the Pakistani team or any other team for that matter? Rubbish….I call it.

  • AAMIR JADOON on February 15, 2008, 1:58 GMT

    Yes Kamran you are right but I think that PCB should take some bold steps to solve this problem. For example Pakistan will tour to Australia next year So why not PCB and Cricket Australia exchange the tours I mean this time Pakistan will go to AUstralia and next year Australia should come to Pakistan. Because we want Pakistan and Australia paly against each other but Kamran its a fact that all the non muslims belong to other country are afraid to come to Pakistan because this is the fault of our management we recognised ourselves as a terrorists our GOVT recognised ourself as the Islamic Extreamest I work in china and here situation just same like other countries the chines who thiked before the Pakistan there second home land even they are not going to Pakistan So I think PCB should communicate with the Australians and just exchange the tour.

  • Sahir Khan on February 15, 2008, 1:42 GMT

    Kamran has accomplished his mission. He wants to maintain a popular blog and this is the perfect topic for him to score some points.

    Why give the haters a chance to point fingers?

  • Anthony on February 15, 2008, 1:40 GMT

    KA continues in the proud Cricinfo tradition of writing controversial articles for the sake of being controversial. Mr. KA should consider altering his personal profile if he insists on banging on about the "good life":

    "His cricketing achievements include advising on the recent change in the throwing law, thrashing Michael Atherton for three successive boundaries, and bowling former Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif with an unplayable off-cutter. In his day job, Kamran is editor of the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine and chief executive and editor-in-chief of OnMedica.com."

    An accomplished man but not someone who puts his life on the line for the good of cricket.

    I am a Sri Lankan and though I would love to call all my friends down on holiday, it is my duty as a friend to inform them that my country is a dangerous place and do not hold it against my friends when they do not visit. As part of the cricket fraternity, I would extend the Australians the same courtesy.

  • Ahmed Tahir - 2 on February 15, 2008, 1:30 GMT

    and my question to Mr. Abbas is this -

    WHAT IF - SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN?????

    I really hope you have some way of going back in time because then - this article of yours... might offend some of the Australian Cricket Management people .. dont you think so? lol

  • Ahmed Tahir on February 15, 2008, 1:27 GMT

    i am afraid I disagree with Mr. Abbas -

    The way things are in Pakistan right now, if I were in CA management, i wouldn't have waited this long to call the tour off...

    Bombers or assassins - can in no way controlled by the government.... people who are the cause of all this disruption are the ones who are illiterate and impractical and the only way they can tell right to wrong is how their bearded "maulana" tells them...

    They have no jobs, no money, and life to them has ended as it is - they would rather blow them self up and assume they are fighting for religion when the only thing they are doing is reducing the population of Pakistan...

    I would not blame the Australians if they dont want to come to Pak - because the way i look at it - I worked hard all through my life to get where i am .. to be able to support my family and live life a decent way... I am not gonna throw it all away just becuase some DUMASS thought it would get him 72 virgins in heaven...

  • Achmed on February 15, 2008, 1:23 GMT

    If it is unsafe for an Ozie citizen to visit Pakistan how can it be safe for the worlds best cricket team to tour ?? Shift the matches to Colombo and help Arjuna and his committee fill their coffers so that more of his school teachers can go on joy rides. If CA actually agrees to tour Pakistan Sam and all the so called ozie boggers (yes boggers) should be given free tickets to come with their families to watch their so called team play in a safe environment !!

  • Dr. Tucker on February 15, 2008, 1:09 GMT

    Finally someone has the courage to write against the tunnel vision that's being propagated by the girly-testosterone-charged Aussie players and advocated by CA. If Aussies can stay in the UK when the London bombing took place, there's no way they can claim the high moral ground on not coming to Pakistan. PCB should reciprocate and threaten to not play any tournament in Australia.

  • Paul G on February 15, 2008, 1:03 GMT

    For all those who suggest that Pakistan should not tour Australia in retaliation I agree. Pakistan are a B grade side and no longer worthy of being a headline act in Australia in the middle of summer. Maybe the ACB will schedule a couple of games in Darwin or Townsville in the middle of winter when most Australians are comsumed by AFL, league or union. If the South Africans can beat Pakistan at home why would the Aussies bother coming - they are all better off filling their coffers (like a lot of Pakistan players) in India.

  • Lawls on February 15, 2008, 1:00 GMT

    Ah, the familiar smell of another bucket of crap being poured on Australians, nothing if not predictable Mukul. If the venom in your vacuous blog of the last year is an indicator, we are not welcome, so, why would we want to come? You are part of the problem with your cheap jibes and mindless bias.

  • Awas on February 15, 2008, 0:40 GMT

    Hassan

    I didn’t expect you as well to behave like a Brutus. I hope you have now read my earlier comments. There is nothing more to add here to what I have already said (no one forced her to pop her head out) except to say God save us from a democracy like the Zimbabwean one as ours seems to be heading that way with corrupt Zardari and young King Tut on the helm.

    Sriram Krishna

    I can’t speak for Kamran but I would definitely play in those countries you mentioned if blanket security is offered. As I said earlier individual players should be entitled to choose or not to choose but as a country and a team if they decide not to then they shouldn’t be saying “in this war of terror we are all together”. This otherwise exposes their hypocrisy.

    Neil

    Is it the “poisonous pen” of the blog owner or the venomous words of yours, I wonder?

    another bloody whinging Australian

    Please don’t cry. I don’t recall the word “sucks” used by anyone except you let alone Kamran. Perhaps you were a born sucker but must have been sucking something painful ;)-

    Sachin Fan, usa

    If you “worship the rising sun” so much why you don’t go near it instead of shouting from USA; and don’t forget to take your fan with you. LOL. “The rising sun”. Were you talking about Japan? It’s a cricket blog actually.

    Thanks Raj Nash, dave, amer Husain, dr_Love, Brad. Good comments. Jack Ramsay, you have been more sensible than some Pakistanis’ comments that I have seen here.

  • kashif on February 15, 2008, 0:39 GMT

    When Kennedy was assasinated in the US. And the whole country was rioting against the vietnam war did the sporting community start boycotting the US? And said that since the US cannot protects its president we will not participate in their country?

    Or when 9/11 happened which is a gruesome terrorist attack in NY was the US open cancelled and Leyton Hewitt refuse to play?

    Just in the last one year the English Team has toured Pakistan so has the south africans and the Indians? What were there lives less important?

    I think the Aussies are wusses..It is a simple fact. Tell me of one organization which has threatened them. Believe me Aussies are not that well known in the world that they should think that they will be the ones targeted.

    Moreover pakistan doesnt need to beg them to come our country. IF they want to cancel let them cancel and then go ahead an sue them for the damages and violation of contracts.

  • Sami on February 15, 2008, 0:26 GMT

    I can understand the frustation of pakistani's on this issue. But it doesn't justify saying that all the killings that happened in recent times are political. Here is a ex-PM returning from exile to participate in elections and she gets killed. How can somebody justify that saying it is a political killing? In India there are two ex-PMs got killed so as in many countries where leaders got killed, but there is difference which paksitanis can't see. Other countries are fighting terrorists whereas pakistan always tried to defend its acts. One day it will catch up and your society itself will be in trouble. First fix your home before blaming others actions.

  • praveen on February 15, 2008, 0:15 GMT

    Posted by: Rauf at February 14, 2008 10:29 PM Same way as India confirmed safety to visitors when it's sitting PM Indira Gandhi was gunned down and former PM Rajiv Gandhi was blown up.

    Hey dude , dont bring up killings that happened decades before to male your point.AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION THESE COUNTRIES AT THE TIME OF ASSASSINATIONS OF SUCH KEY FIGURES ARE CONSIDERED TO BE DANGEROUS.same is the case with pakistan now. And if u go through ur history books if they are not burned in terrorist blasts , u can find a lot of them in ur long and proud political history of Pakistan.

    AND FOR COUNTRY WHICH IS 1/4TH OF iNDIA THE NO. OF BLASTS PER DAY IS QUITE HIGH.

    Also,like someone above said please stop spitting venom on people who are lucky enough to think a suicide attempt or a bomb blast is some thing that happens in a everyday life.

  • Stevo on February 15, 2008, 0:11 GMT

    Well said mate, if they won't go , give me a bell, I'll be more than happy to travel over and send down some wobbly off breaks!!!

  • mustafa on February 14, 2008, 23:58 GMT

    i say the australians visit paksitan we have not seen them paly in pkistan ina long time. we moved the tour to a neutral venue last time. i say we dont sdo this they do not want to come to our country and play we simply should not go to them.if they can stay in england after the bombings so can they come to pakistan. india tours paksitan and nothing happens and we all knwo how much pakistan hates india. so why is australia not touring. SA toured a few months ago nothing happened. they weregiven a lot of security. zimbabwe toured paksitan last month and the full tour went withut a litch in the security sytem. and that tour took place after the assassination so why is australia not coming. i say hope for the best and prepare for the worst is the best way to deal with it

  • Rob, Dublin on February 14, 2008, 23:55 GMT

    Well if terrorists want to kill Australian players then they can easily get a visa of India, fly over there or sneak through the border, and target them during IPL! How hard would it be for them to bomb Aussies (if they really want to) when they will be digging a treasure in the neighboring country, which according to me is as vulnerable in security as Pakistan.

  • Tanveer on February 14, 2008, 23:55 GMT

    Comments such as "Pakistan could not protect its X Prime Minister how can it protect the AUS cricketers" are rubbish. India could not protect its sitting prime minister such as Indira Gandhi. Does this mean no cricket team should visit India.

    The fact is AUS has never enjoyed visiting Pakistan as it is a Muslim Country with no bars and night life which is the basic culture in AUS. They will find any excuse not to go as they find it boring. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they hope this will cause Pakistan cricket to crumble given their dislike for Pakistan, obvious from the media and cricket commentators here. Pakistan should realise and sue CA.

  • shahid shah on February 14, 2008, 23:53 GMT

    Its all loads of rubbish. How could you compare 7/7 bombings to the present situation in pakistan. 7/7 incidents are once in a while like incidents, while in pakistan its every day business. Also security agencies in UK are far more stronger and trustable than Pakistan. The security system in pakistan is non existent hence aussies should not be touring. These suicide bombings in pakistan are unstoppable at the moment so one can not guarantee an incident free tour. It will be advisable for PCB to ask the australians to hold these matches in Australia.

  • Shane on February 14, 2008, 23:50 GMT

    It really sucks that my Aussie team wont be touring for what would be an awesome series. It's clear players are up for it but have been gagged by Cricket Australia. If some players really didn't want to go, there are plenty of star state players that could be selected. Ah, up yours Cricket Australia!

  • Nawed on February 14, 2008, 23:46 GMT

    I am a pakistani. I do not feel safe hanging out in my hometown Karachi. I am not comfortable talking on a cell phone outdoors. With due respect to everyone, Pakistan is not safe even for animals. Australians: stay home, live life, dont put it at risk just for a cricket game, go to India and play IPL, I am sure its a lot safer and lucrative.

  • Nas on February 14, 2008, 23:37 GMT

    Get off your high horse Kamran. "Rich world lifestyles"??? Do you recall Steve Waugh going to the slums of India to help the poor? I am Australian, and I visited Pakistan recently. I went to the Pak V WI test match in Multan and the security and police at the venue were PATHETIC. I have no faith in any pakistani security forces or police. They were more concerned with getting themselves the best spots in the ground, and then doing their namaz... they didnt even look at the crowds.. the security checks to get in the ground were useless. I had my sunglassess confiscated on the grounds of security???! and I wasnt allowed to bring in my camera (again for security...).. however people had smuggled in mobile phones etc. If police there cant protect benazir, then how are they gunna protect 20 players?

    Having said that, I think the Aussie team should defintely tour there as there are risks everywhere they travel. (plus, they will absolutely demolish the current pathetic pakistani tea

  • Chris on February 14, 2008, 23:15 GMT

    The Australian government has issued a travel warning against heading to Pakistan for all Australian citizens. It is totally understandable, given recent events. Unfortunately, Pakistan is the frontline on the War on Terror, whether you like it or not.

    Cricket is just a game. It's not worth cricketers risking their lives over. And I'm sorry, but travelling to Pakistan at the moment is far more of a risk than travelling to the main Indian cities, or travelling to England.

  • Michael on February 14, 2008, 23:12 GMT

    If, even by your greatest efforts, you cannot protect the life of one person how can you promise the safety of 30. Sure we are "wallowing in splendor".. the splendor of living in a country where violence is seen as an aberration and an abhorrence. You live in a country on the fringes of a war, whose permeable borders have given sanctuary to those we are at war with. You have a law enforcement system all too easily swamped by the millions of assuredly good people to deal with the handful who are bent on doing harm. Would YOU send your children to such a place to play sports? If Pakistan isnt the basket case it appears to be, then the solution lies in the hands of one people - the Pakistanis. Stop bleating and sort it out.

  • Umar Rashid on February 14, 2008, 23:11 GMT

    What a Stupid letter, why dont you just write you dont come to Pakistan, we will not come to Australia, get to the point

  • ghulam on February 14, 2008, 23:10 GMT

    wel sed kahansahab returns!

    austrailans are just wusses dont say too much against them or they'l go crying to mummy.

  • Vivek on February 14, 2008, 23:10 GMT

    Agreed...Bhutto was assassinated but so was Rajiv gandhi or J F Kennedy. That does not make India or US unsafe to live. If Aus is the best side in the world, they need to prove it in Pakistan. Like India, cricket is like religion in Pak too and the people will be robbed of some wonderful clashes on the field. Afridi taking on the Australian bowlers or Hayden taking on Akthar and Sohail Tanvir would be a treat to watch. Pakistan have some exciting youngsters like Nasir Jamshed who would be desperate to stamp his authority against some of the best teams in the world. This was the same Aus team which refused to tour Sri Lanka during the 1996 world cup (Zim being the only side which eventually did) and they are chickening out yet again...all tours to Australia should be boycotted not only by Pakistan, but the entire sub continent. That will make them see reason. We had bomb blasts in Hyd and Mumbai yet the Aussies are ready to participate in IPL but will bnot go ahead with the Pak tour.

  • khansahab returns on February 14, 2008, 23:06 GMT

    The general consensus amongst Aussies who support their team's decision to not play in Pakistan, seems to be that, "We don't want to go to a country where people hate us." Well, hatred breeds hatred then and there is obviously hatred on part of the Aussies too for refusing to tour. So Aussies hate Pakistanis too. Now the reasoning will be, "Well, supporters of the Iraq war are possible targets of Islamic extremists". This begs the question, why did you support the bloody invasion in the first place? So your fears as to why you are not touring Pakistan can directly be traced to your decision to support invasion of a country! What I am trying to insinuate here, is that these are difficult questions that are going round in a vicious circle.It's a chicken and egg situation. Apportioning blame and discussing whose fault it really is, is not something for the Australian and Pakistani cricket fans, players or boards to decide or dictate! So Australians should really stop whining and tour Pakistan.

  • IMRAN A MIANDAD on February 14, 2008, 23:02 GMT

    The Aussies actually want to visit Pakistan because the people are so welcoming - there's no such thing as people being secretly thrilled by the prospect of the Aussies being bombed - that's just western propaganda. Pakistanis love the Aussies even more than the Indians love the Aussies. OK so the the Aussies are super duper insular, they're not a very intelligent bunch of sportsmen - but most successful sportsmen aren't very intelligent - all there muscles are between their ears? I think not. But Benazir Bhutto was a nice lady who would have made things more Western so she stood on the toes of a totalitarian government and religious fundamentalists who want to rule the roost. I think the Aussies could have bat practice knocking hand grenades over the fence into Kashmir or over the mountains into Afghanistan. The Aussies want to make alot of Rupees - just ask anyone in the World - do you want a million rupees or do you want to meet God? It's a difficult question for smart men too.

  • David on February 14, 2008, 22:53 GMT

    Two things: First I wanted to moderate my earlier comment. I can see that it must be insulting and demeaning to have your country declared not fit to host a cricket tour. It's not my place to apologise for the (likely) cancellation but I do feel sorry about it anyway. Not that this removes or abrogates the legitimate security issues, but I understand it's upsetting.

    Second: I get a 1000 character limit lately when I post in cricinfo blogs. Clearly, some of you guys aren't similarly restricted (eg 'Mohammed Anfaal', 'Assad', 'JAVED A KHAN'). Is there one limit for people who post from some countries and a different limit from other countries? Or is it less sinister and you guys just know a trick that I don't? If so, how do you do it?!

  • Taimur on February 14, 2008, 22:52 GMT

    Well whatever the reason, Pakistan should cancel whatever the tour they have of Australia if this is the case. I mean c'mon man, if England and South Africa can tour then why not wussies? Lamos..

  • Suliman on February 14, 2008, 22:42 GMT

    Will Australian sportmen refuse to go to the Us now gunman has opened fire in a classroom at Northern Illinois University outside Chicago.

    At least 18 people were shot, CNN reported its local affiliate as saying.

    How is this any diffrent. ah i get it its no a muslim country right, otr may ne 1 in ten million pf probaility is better when in the US

  • Hassan on February 14, 2008, 22:41 GMT

    khansahab returns, I guess we have to agree to disagree, unless you are fascist like Musharraf who wants to impose his point of view on a nation of 160 million people.

  • Irfan on February 14, 2008, 22:33 GMT

    I don’t know what ground realities you are talking about? I don’t know if you yourself are aware of it but any person of color (white for the purpose of this post) can pose a risk not only for themselves but for others as well. A lot of people on this blog live outside of Pakistan, they interact with white folks, don’t you know how they think, what kind of views they hold about Pakistan. At the expense of being called a racist this is the sad truth. Open your eyes guys this tour was never a reality! If Pakistan is not safe for Pakistanis (and there is more then enough evidence that it is not) do ya think it will be for members of a nation actively involved in Afghanistan conflict. The answer is a resounding NO! IPL or ICL might have a part to play in it but end of the day it does come down to the money you can make with your lives INTACT. Hot heads and political correctness!!!!!!!!!!

  • Rauf on February 14, 2008, 22:29 GMT

    Posted by: dev at February 14, 2008 3:25 PM

    "Pakistan and emerging country?? Are you kidding man....a country that cannot protect its former Prime Minister confirms safety to visitors!"

    Same way as India confirmed safety to visitors when it's sitting PM Indira Gandhi was gunned down and former PM Rajiv Gandhi was blown up.

  • Sharaz on February 14, 2008, 22:10 GMT

    Symond is a wuss! Him and the Aussies would rather play in the IPL and fill up their pockets rather than support the Pakistani nation AND GIVE FANS THE CRICKET THEY DESERVE

  • khansahab returns on February 14, 2008, 22:08 GMT

    You applaud the Australians Hassan, but unfortunately I cannot say I applaud your reasoning. To think Australia should not tour our country because of one man- Musharraf? So many teams have toured Pakistan under Musharraf's regime and returned safely. About 30 odd years of Pakistan's 60 year history has seen military rule and you seem to suggest that no international cricket should have been played in Pakistan during that time?

    Shame on you for thinking such damnation for Pakistan. PCB is already an organisation in decline and Pakistani team is suffering because of unprofessionalism and mismanagement and you are rubbing salt on the wounds of the country by saying that teams should boycott tours. Pakistan needs foreign teams to tour so that PCB can make some money and so that the country's image improves because we all know that no player's life will be at risk. If you want to spread anti Musharraf propaganda, a cricket blog really is not the best platform to do so.

  • Victor Trumpet on February 14, 2008, 22:01 GMT

    The last Australian government allied itself with the Americans and sent troops to Iraq - where the US decided the most money could be made.

    Most Aussies disagreed with this inhumane invasion, but now that it's happened Australians are a target for Muslim extremists, and Pakistan is a hotbed for this type of extremism.

    You need to fix that before anyone visits Pakistan - anyone. It's all well and good to call the Aussies pussies - but that talk only betrays the harsh feelings you have for them - and the reason why they won't be touring.

    There are morons in Australia who want to do anything the Americans say, and there are morons in Pakistan who blow people up they disagree with.

    But fundamentalism is tolerated and many of you simply hate the Aussies? Yes?

    Now Ponting & co can make $400,000 in the IPL series in India - or go to a place where they are hated - I'm afraid you make their choice easy for them - there's little chance of a tour of Pakistan occuring.

    That's logic.

  • Kaleem on February 14, 2008, 21:51 GMT

    Reply to ABC comments: Mr/Ms ABC if England could not save their Princess of Wales and USA couldn't save their President Kennedy from assassination then why do Austrailians still travel to UK and USA ? Both of these personalities were probably the VVIP of their respective country.

  • Brad on February 14, 2008, 21:44 GMT

    The Aussies are acting as a bunch of coward sissies & pussies and making some lame excuses to cancel the tour. What makes them scared of touring a country where cricket lovers out numbers the fanatics? Didn't their A-team and Under-19 team tour the same country within the last few months without a single incident to threaten their safety? Were they any lesser Aussies than their senior team mates that they were not targeted? If someone wanted to cause harm to any Australian for any reason, why didn't they target those two teams when they're in Pakistan last year? It's a slap on the Pakistani officials and people when the Aussies don't trust the state-of-the-head security that will be provided to them if they opt to visit. CA please don't let the terrorists win by refusing to tour. Come play to promote peace and allow fans to have some fun. It's going to be alright after the elections, God Willing. If u could play in London, Mumbai and Hyderabad Deccan after the blasts then why not here?

  • James on February 14, 2008, 21:37 GMT

    Maybe if your people stop blowing each other up then there would be no problems.

  • David on February 14, 2008, 21:30 GMT

    I'm sorry to say that there's plenty of truth in the angry words posted here by the Aussie-bashers. Some Australian cricketers haven't liked touring in the subcontinent, because of their own insularities, and I think that's sad. I'm also worried that there might be a chance that some of the players don't want to go just because it means they can play in the IPL (I'd like to see a ban placed on playing in the IPL if the Pak tour doesn't go ahead).

    However: the truth is that Pakistan is rife with violence in a way that few countries are. Kamran, it *is* a dangerous place, in parts at least, by global. And posts here all but admit that it's the extremists who will decide the fate of any touring side, not the government or the large majority of perfectly good and tolerant people. This isn't good enough. Pakistanis, make your country safe for your own sakes, don't villify those who are just lucky enough to be used to the idea that endemic violence and indiscriminate killing aren't normal.

  • Ashaq on February 14, 2008, 21:29 GMT

    Oh Yeah The Crazy wizard being Sarfraz Nawaz, Now that would be far more interesting then australia vs Pakistan.A street Fight between, Sarfraz Nawaz and Dr Naseem Ashraf.

    Cuz this Wicked Witch aka DR. Naseem is beginning to cheese me off. Shoaib Akhtar on this ocassion banned from the Pentagular trophy, for speaking the truth. In this case the Actor is innocent of all charges.

    A few more players have joined the Icl, with Hasan Raza the most badly treated Player in recent years joining them.

    For Coach he got an experienced guy, When we could have had Dav Whatmore or a number of good Domestic Coaches, Such as Rashad Latif, Miandad, even Aqib Javed.

    We Got the worst kind of lunatics running the asylum.

    So Dear kamran please write a letter to Dear Naseem.

  • rahul on February 14, 2008, 21:23 GMT

    Well, do not compare India with Pakistan. In India bomb blasts or sucide bombings are not everyday activities. In pakistan it has become almost everyday. So, there is a reason for Aussies to be worried.

  • Daniyal on February 14, 2008, 21:23 GMT

    Well lets look at the reality here if Australia tours Pakistan the players don't get the fat cheque they want from the IPL because of a conflicting schedule so how convenient would it be to refuse to travel due to security concerns and then fly over to its neighbouring country for that cash bonus.

  • Ashaq on February 14, 2008, 21:18 GMT

    Who gives a jack...A Bangladesh tour is long over due! Cus Pakistan should be Playing a team they can compete with. Who wants to see a mismatch?

    The Doctor has destroyed the cricket, Its time you wrote a letter entitled.

    Dear Naseem.

    You are behaving like the wicked witch of the east. Pakistan cricket under your tenure has turned into a damsel in distress.

    Hell only problem is the Knight in shining armour, Imran Khan is more concerned with a career in Politics.

    So Naseem you best resign. or we will be forced to unleash the Crazy Wizard of the East, to cast a Spell on you.And turn you into a frog.

  • r christen on February 14, 2008, 21:12 GMT

    It could well be that some Australian players are merely looking for any excuse to spend more time with their families and to have a much-needed break from playing and travelling.

  • quickwit21 on February 14, 2008, 21:11 GMT

    well, can't blame the aussies -- I don't think its wise to tour with the situation being so volatile and the elections round the corner and Abbasi, the difference b/w London, Colombo, or Mumbai & Karachi is pretty obvious -- the opposition leaders there are still alive and the last time I checked, they were still democratic countries. grow up and respect others' sentiments before you post a lopsided article...

  • Mohamed Anfaal on February 14, 2008, 21:11 GMT

    DLF the real estate giant has become the official sponsor of IPL pouring in Rs.200 crores to add to the whopping Rs.6000 crore already on the menu,What do we have here? Mass exodus comes to my mind,Gilly and Simon Taufel two recent examples whatever jargon they might have fed to the world the reason plain and simple IPL,Maxwell agent for Brett Lee and I suppose a few other aussies, Shane Warne openly endorsing IPL. Ponting and his mercenaries frowning at their brows and clearly in disagreement with their own board vis a vis the stand taken by ACB against the IPL and desperately trying to wiggle out of an official tour citing silly and lame excuses in a sense making ACB look really silly and alienated from its own troops. I guess there are two ways of looking at it, as Gilly said since the day this game went professional the senior pros tended to hold on a bit longer than they should, for various reasons, the new breed had to struggle or bide their time a wee bit more than they and we would have liked but this now gives a different avenue to the senior pros to seek their fortune somewhere else and I dare say brings a smile to the faces of the young guns eager and capable to wear national colors. As we know there are two sides to a coin, the fact that sticks out like sore thumb, the lame and silly excuses put up by Ponting and his mercenaries not to tour Pakistan now we know where their priorities lie. What happened to the pride of wearing the baggy green kissing it when you reached a landmark kissing the CA emblem on the shirt and on the helmet, crossing yourself when you reached three figures in test match and conveniently forgetting while playing a state game (As someone commented I guess even the gods don't watch the state games). I guess Maxwells suggestion is most potent ICC needs to chalk out a window of three months in the future for IPL, no international engagement should be in jeopardy because of IPL ,I am in no way against people seeking out an honest fortune in fact I am all for it but the catch word here is "Honest" guess the Aussies don't know what it means.

  • EAMiran on February 14, 2008, 20:52 GMT

    It is a pity that CA is thinking of cancelling their tour to Pakistan; however it is also understandable. The Pakistani media, along with the world media is responsible for portraying Pakistan in a bad light.Whether the Australians are wimps, greedy, or find Pakistan too boring does not matter; it is a moot point - they will not tour. The question is what can the PCB do to salvage something out of this mess? Contrary to popular opinions on this blog, I suggest we make Australia compensate us monetarily and then tour Australia instead. It goes without say that we will atleast be spared poor media coverage, substandard outfields, and dead pitches tailor made for wimpy adminstrators and captain(s). Does anyone really want to listen to inane comments by Zaheer, Mushy and co?As long as Pakistan is playing cricket who cares where we play - most people watch the action on TV anyway. I for one, prefer to see us play in Oz.Call them next year when, hopefully, they run out of excuses not to tour

  • Flipper on February 14, 2008, 20:45 GMT

    Great post, Mr Abassi. The phrase "hitting the nail on the head" springs to mind.

    If the Aussies refuse to tour, not only should the ICC hit them with massive fines, they should also declare Pakistan victors of all the scheduled matches. We'll see how quickly the Australins decide to tour if they realise that by not touring they might eventually lose their no 1 ranking.

    The biggest terrorist atrocity was obviously "9/11". Would anybody think about not going to New York for security reasons?

    The games should not be played at neutral venues. The Aussies have always struggled in Pakistan. I believe that it is this reason, together with the lure of the rupees from the IPL that are behind Australia not wanting to tour. The "security reasons" are merely a smokescreen.

  • Peter on February 14, 2008, 20:38 GMT

    And here's another thing to think about, for all the ridiculous flag waver's defending Pakistan and how India are the real enemies but their cricketers tour here often without incident. This is taken from the Sydney Morning Herald:

    "A YOUNG cricketer has been killed in Peshawar, throwing Australia's planned tour of Pakistan into further doubt.

    Rahatullah, a right-arm seamer who played under-19s one-day internationals for Pakistan against Australia in April last year, was shot dead while travelling to join his North-West Frontier Province squad, according to a report in the Urdu daily newspaper Jang. He was 18."

    So cricketers aren't targeted? Really? The government can't protect its own former prime minister from being assassinated, one of its own players from being gunned down, but somehow bleats forever about how Australia will be afforded top line security, comparable to a head of state. Benazir Bhutto was a head of state and look what happened.

  • Hammad Siddiqi, Cincinnati, Ohio on February 14, 2008, 20:33 GMT

    For those of you who are citing the assassination of Benazir as an indication of the dangers faced by the Australians;How naive can you get? I can't believe I wasted a good 10 minutes of my lunch reading such tripe! Benazir was a politician of global stature who was an avowed opponent of terrorism, hence the terrorists had her death as a priority.The last time I checked, no Australian cricketer has made it a personal crusade to fight global terrorism. To compare the dangers that Benazir faced to the percieved threat against Australia is idiocy of the highest order. And Praveen,put a sock in it you ignoramus. I don't know why Indians feel the need to come on this forum and Paki-bash. I've yet to see a Pakistani fan spout virulent hate filled crap on Indian blogs. Insecurity thy name is the Indian cricket fan! And just for the record, I'm so sick and bloody tired of India tooting their horn over winning one Test. Last time I checked, you guys got your asses handed to you in the series.

  • ALI RAZA TASADDAQ on February 14, 2008, 20:22 GMT

    The one reason what I see is that IPL - INDIA is starting from 18th and a lot of Australian players are planning to join IPL which is offering far better money than what they will earn by touring Pakistan, where as per them they will be having some safety issues.

    For the people who thinks ex-PM assasination is an alarm, than what about many other political murders which have happened in the whole wide world. As everyone knows Australians were in England when blast occured. Security for sports person is not at all an issue. Even if Pakistan doesn't offer State level security for Australians I am sure they will surely be safe here. As Nation is simply Crazy about Cricket. Australians simply are running after more money. I request PCB to reciprocate by boycotting the 2009 tour to Australia. I mean If SOUTH AFRICA, If INDIA (THE BIGGEST RIVAL) can be safe in Pakistan than believe it, every team can be. No neutral venues IF they are coming to Pakistan, fine otherwise Plz Cancel the tour.

  • Danish on February 14, 2008, 20:08 GMT

    If nothing happened to English players, when tension was skyrocketing and considering that British soliders were in much more higher numbers in Afghanistan than mere Austrlian soliders right now, then what makes you guys think that Terrorist would come after Australians? It's simply stupid and lame to consider that Australian would be in much more trouble than English players back then. If nothing happened to Britishers then nothing would happen to Aussies too.

    It's good that you brought this point up Kamran, and all who are disagreeing with the fact that Aussies just want to make more fortune before they retire from international circuit are just denying the obvious. I used to have a lot of respect for this team, but now they are nothing than bunch of cowards and greedy people..few exceptions like McGill. Even Zimbabweans have a bigger heart than these guys.

  • Vishwajit Gangaputran Iyer on February 14, 2008, 20:06 GMT

    I would firstly ask KA what he means by swimming with sharks..et al..isnt thatan example of steropying a nation?like calling all New Zealanders anation of bungy jumpers when i am sure it wouldhave been attempted by .001% ofthe population(happen to know thisas i live in Christchurch)I am indian&would share the anguish of Pak cricfans if Aus call offtour.I think cricket Australia is being churlish&unfair to even think this. Surely-the cricketers will be given top level security &henceshould not fear anything. The hospitality of our sub continent countries is amazing&we pride ourselfves on this. other than that-pak vs aus should be acracking series&i hope the cric loving public are not denied of this spectacle. If aus can tour india-which isnot different than pak, then they can surely goto pak. I hope this has nothing to do with the moolah generated byIPL/ICL.Iwould rather watch players in national colours play than watch overaged oldies strut for their c@#p franchisees or whatever ICLis!

  • Johnny Dangerously on February 14, 2008, 20:04 GMT

    It is not Australia's job to provide entertainment to Pakistanis at the expense of possibly getting blown up. Will it happen - maybe not, can it happen - definitely, so dont go preaching about why someone should do something to satisfy Pakistan when they cant even keep their own people safe. India hasnt had as many bomb blasts going off every other day like Pakistan does.

  • Fahad Khan on February 14, 2008, 19:55 GMT

    I also recall Australia's field hockey team refusing to come to Pakistan for the Champion's Trophy (hockey) a few months ago and also said that it was due to security. Spain said the same thing and the tournament was moved to Malaysia. But at the same time Australia A was touring Pakistan and playing cricket and had no security incidents at all. How can it not be safe for the hockey team but be safe for the 'A' cricket team? I think this has more to do with the IPL, as the players are already bending over backwards to try and get/cash in on this league and clashing with CA over sponsor issues. Good for the BCCI. A world league would be better, one team from each country/region, so world fans could cheer for something instead of cheering for a random city in India, but thats BCCI's decision and good for them.

  • James Beamish on February 14, 2008, 19:54 GMT

    It will be a sad day if the Australian's refuse to tour a test playing country. It will also mean that Australian lives are so much more precious than English, South African or Zimbabwian ones. Never mind the poor buggers who have to live and play (cricket) in that country.

  • RahulDravidFan on February 14, 2008, 19:42 GMT

    The blasts in Mumbai and London should not be compared to situations in Pakistan. Why should the Aussies go?? Pakistan couldn't protect its ex PM just before the most important date of the year for them, the elections, so whats the guarantee that the cricketers will be safe. And everyone is allowed to make their own choice.

  • Peter on February 14, 2008, 19:31 GMT

    Imran, Prabhakar, Swami and one or two others are the only people who have posted anything coherent. This looks like it was written by some deranged fan instead of someone posing as a journalist.

    People can bleat all day long about how Australia did not leave the Ashes tour in 05 after the attacks on 7/7, but I can't recall seeing stewards outnumbering patrons inside an English ground, all armed with assault rifles to keep the crowd in order.

    It is a sad day when any human being, including a professional athlete, is criticised for putting safety and the concerns of his own life and his family's welfare ahead of the desire for more personal fame and recognition.

    Musharraf completely ignored Benazir Bhutto's requests for security. Posters noted her eventual assassination, but most people have omitted the fact that she was back in Pakistan less than 24 hours before there was an attempt on her life. Any guarantee of safety from Nasim Ashraf is just an empty promise.

  • Karthik on February 14, 2008, 19:30 GMT

    NOTe From an Indian Fan: Very nice article Mr Abbasi. Its obvious the IPL is playing a major role in the Aussie "Players" not wanting to go to Pakistan because as they have repeatedly said "If the Pak tour doesnt happen we can play in the IPL". They all along said its CA's decision now suddenly the players dont want to go - Hmmmm.....

  • sbaig on February 14, 2008, 19:00 GMT

    I believe Aussies deserve the indian kind of responses to keep them in place. PCB should take lead out of it and should reciprocate in a very strong and stern manner!

  • mick on February 14, 2008, 18:54 GMT

    all well and good for kamran and bloggers alike to spit their racist vitriol against australians but just maybe if you set about fixing the problems in your country rather than the tried and true method of blaming others for your ills things might change..

  • CricketFan on February 14, 2008, 18:54 GMT

    Kamran, Why should a cricket, who is otherwise like any average citizen of a country, not be concerned about his safety? In all honesty, Pakistan doesnt give the world any notion of being a safe place to be in. Benazir Bhutto's assassination, Musharraf's continued reign, the mullahs ruling the roost in large parts of the country, open jihad collections, animosity towards soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan (including Aussies)... Do you need any more reasons for an Aussie to be alarmed? Equating England, India etc with Pak arent the same either. How many suicide attacks do you hear of on a daily basis in these 2 countries? The political climate in pakistan is not suitable for any sporting action. Sad for the people there but unfair. They should understand it as much as anybody else. The IPL may be a factor in cancelling the Pak tour, I agree. But with their track record, I don't think the Aussies would have travelled anyhow.

  • Sachin Fan , usa on February 14, 2008, 18:51 GMT

    Australia has made right decision not to play in dangerous country like pakistan. Instead they should come back and play for India. Worship the rising sun. You will get more money and fame playing against Indian than a 3rd world nation always in political turmoil. Aussies Stay Away From Pakistan !! Pakistan can feel free to invite Bangladesh and win 5-0. Aussies deserve to play with Indian Tigers again . Go Sachin Go !! Peace Out !!

  • rizwan on February 14, 2008, 18:49 GMT

    Its the IPL stupid .....The Aussies will make more money playing in the INDIAN LEAGUE than in Pakistan .

  • Rami on February 14, 2008, 18:44 GMT

    Seriously though, for all of you saying England and India are equally unsafe - terrorists attacks in these countries are also primarily sponsored by Pakistanis and undertaken by people with Pakistani connections. While a majority of Pakistanis are no doubt peace-loving, there is definitely a large number of fanatics who aren't. And fanatics never run out of reasons to commit their heinous crimes. Why blame the Aussies - all Pakistanis with the means and opportunity get out of the country in a flash. Before whining about cricket, I would advise you to focus on getting rid of extremist fundamentalists from your country and get with the rest of the world. Maybe then the rest of the world will start treating you with some respect.

    People get the country they deserve.

  • senior player on February 14, 2008, 18:44 GMT

    A trivia: Which team has called off, threatened to call off or sent second string teams on foreign tours the most times?

    Hint: They have done it in the past on one pretext or the other, examples: Pakistan, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka. IMHO, its all about money; maybe if PCB bought some of former aussie players and paid them hefty amounts to lobby, they would fulfill their international commitments because ICC surely does not have enough power. I am just glad when India humiliated them on their on turf; they have had their way for a long time.

  • amer husain on February 14, 2008, 18:42 GMT

    Please, no more comments about Pakistan's inability to protect its ex-PM. JFK was shot in broad daylight on US soil! So, you will have to come up with more robust arguments than that!!

  • saif ahmed on February 14, 2008, 18:20 GMT

    I believe this is a great opportunity for PCB and the cricket fans in Pakistan to exert some pressure on the Pakistani authorities. They should take some steps and try to improve the situation in Pakistan. Living abroad in a western country has now become very difficult for every Pakistani. All we get is bad news from home. No one but the government is responsible for providing security to it's citizens and we all know they have the power and resources to achieve that. Australians and the others have ridiculed us for so long, if PCB has the guts then it should stand up and refuse to to tour Australia and hold ICC responsible for any losses.

  • dr_Love on February 14, 2008, 18:17 GMT

    last times when aussie team didn't play in pak and played on neutral place, pak made biggest mistake to go back Aus in their next tour, Pak should have played that Aus home series in NZ or England instead of Aus. then Aussie cricket fan could have get the real answer, but poor PCB rushed to play in Aus. if this time Aus team doesn't tour pak then pak should never tour aus, money is not everything, even Pakistan shouldn't play with aus on any if other all teams can tour to Pakistan including England and SA, then Aussie doesn't have any problem to tour.

    IPL =Big money= Aussie senior player

    I think Aus should send new players in Pak instead of these money hungry seniors.

  • dr_Love on February 14, 2008, 18:17 GMT

    Kamran the major thing you forget to write in your letter, its big lie of Australian players that they are scared with security, its just biggest lie on the earth. when they are getting president level security, you cann't compare this security with banzir kind of security. kamran the major thing you forget to mention in your letter for Australian players, every cricket fans in the world except Australian fans knows that Australian players are starving for IPL money, Right now their eyes are only on IPL's big chunk of money. we all knows many times bomb blasting had happened in Mumbai, Delhi and Colombo than Lahore, Faisal bad and Multan. we all want to defeat terrorim and if aussie doesn't tour pak it means their country is not sincere to defeat them. btw pakistan is very samilar to other subcontinent countries like India, SL, Bangladesh its just world media who always wants to show Pakistan’s negative image.

  • Aanand on February 14, 2008, 18:15 GMT

    As an Indian cricket fan, it is always sad to see an interesting series being nipped in the bud. I agree with Kamran that the Australians and the English in particular have been notorious for making mountains out of ant hills, especially when it involves playing in poorer countries.

    At the end of the day, it is up to the Australian board to decide whether their players are being cowards. If they are, then they must be punished. We cannot force people to play, neither should we allow players to make the game hostage to their perceptions of danger.

  • another bloody whinging Australian on February 14, 2008, 18:00 GMT

    Kamran, I'm sure your points are valid. And certainly you would know more than I, or the Australian cricket team, about the circumstances in Pakistan.

    But God, am I sick of seeing headlines about how much the Australian cricket team sucks. Their attitude sucks. Their personalities suck. Their manners suck. Their culture sucks. Their conduct on the field sucks.

    Maybe, if the Australian cricket team sucks so much, Pakistan are actually better off without them touring?

    And if they did go to Pakistan, people would still complain that they suck. They can't win.

    *sigh*

    It is not your fault, Kamran. Unfortunately, I just happened to hit my breaking point right now. I'm not angry, I'm just tired of it all.

  • Rauf on February 14, 2008, 17:58 GMT

    Posted by: Geoff Plumridge at February 14, 2008 11:01 AM

    "I think that an Australian XI would make an excellent terrorist target- and whilst on the subject an official Cricket Australia committee determines whether it is safe to go or not.. the cricketers themselves have no say in it in the end."

    Aussies have signed up lucrative deals with IPL, no issues there, BUT their tour of Pakistan clashes with the short IPL season. Money is what is driving this. I will respect Aussies if they said "Sorry but IPL is offering more money" instead of playing this security charade.

    Pakistan tour is the first casualty of IPL/ICL but it won't be the last one.

  • Faisal Taquie on February 14, 2008, 17:51 GMT

    The equation of Aussies not visiting Pakistan is fairly simple. The Pakistan tour schedule conflicts with the IPL league. The Aussie crickets can make equivalent worth of their whole year's income in a few weeks...so why visit Pakistan? IPL is more lucrative. I think PCB should not let them get off the hook, and arrange for the series to be held in a neutral place and then lets see if the Aussies still tour...they will certainly prefer to go tour IPL....there...I said it.....so much for the spirit of the game!!!

  • Faisal Taquie on February 14, 2008, 17:48 GMT

    To Mr. Hammad, " am a Pakistani and visit Pakistan 3-4 times a year (for total of 20-25 days), and consider my self highly unsafe over there." If you feel unsafe in Pakistan, then why visit it 3 times a year? You better stay where you are, where you most probably get treated as a third class citizen...where US, Mid East, Aussieland, ? Please don't visit our country again IF you feel unsafe there....

  • Assad on February 14, 2008, 17:35 GMT

    Australia is a country with no culture and no history of any significance. They get their news from state controlled television news that is hell-bent on justifying the war on terror and for that purpose it is exaggerating the situation in countries like Pakistan. No doubt Pakistan comes with its share of problems but which country doesn't? The assassination of Benazir Bhutto was a political act and such assassinations have previously taken place in other countries as well. It is an insult to the Pakistani people if the Australians refuse to tour. I believe that the PCB chairman should in turn refuse to tour Australia (that would be the first reasonable thing that he would do in his tenure). I find it bemusing that the Australians consider it unsafe to tour Pakistan, even though they stayed in England when the London bombings took place. It is just double standards. Pakistan is as safe and as unsafe as every other country influenced by terrorism. I find it disgusting when people like Hammad say that they felt unsafe in Pakistan. I lived in Islamabad for 23 years and I had a happy, contented and safe life. Having just arrived in the US, I feel more unsafe because these areas bring their problems of racist crime. For Pakistanis to bad mouth their own country on such forums is a disgrace. Shame on you Hammad….. Here is my message to the Australians. When you refuse to tour Pakistan, you reject a country that has given a lot to the game. You reject an audience that is passionate and knowledgeable about the game.

  • Hammad Siddiqi, Cincinnati, Ohio on February 14, 2008, 17:35 GMT

    Additionally, I shall be visiting Pakistan at the end of this month. I was hoping to catch a game during my trip, but it does'nt look very likely since the Aussies have shown theyr as "yeller" as the kits they wear.

  • PAKCOP on February 14, 2008, 17:34 GMT

    India (Twice) South Africa England Zimbabwe Eeven Austrlia-A team These are the teams already toured Pak and not a single misshap in the whole tour. AUSIs are such cry babies on the field and now we have seen their TRUE nature off the firld too. That is just SAD for the game of cricket. I was reading in NEWS, Australian Gov have warned their citizens to not even tour CANADA hahaha. Thats such a shame on a nation who wants to participate in world politics and sports.

  • Hammad Siddiqi, Cincinnati, Ohio on February 14, 2008, 17:32 GMT

    Thank you for calling a spade a spade Mr. A. I was extremely heartened to read the comments from Frank and Marcus while dissapointed by my namesake Hammad who feels unsafe in Pakistan. You've obviously been visiting the wrong parts of the country bro. As you correctly pointed out Mr. Abbasi, Pakistan is a developing nation with the usual growing pains. The fact is that there has never been a single instance of violence in Pakistan which was directed at Cricketers. The simple fact of the matter is that money talks. The only reason the Australian cricketers are wimping out is due to the lure of the IPL. The question for them is 'should we play Tests in Pakistan and provide much needed entertainment to a cricket starved nation or make millions in India?'It's pretty clear that the "cha-ching" sounds of the cash register are stronger incentives than squaring off against another international side. spineless, money hungry opportunists are some words that come to mind. Cowards in another.

  • saurabh from Denver on February 14, 2008, 17:31 GMT

    I am an indian and I must say there is no greater joy to see pakistan team in India when they come on a tour. You should see the way all the fans are jostling for space to get a glimpse of the players. This admiration for the players is returned by the citizens in Pakistan as well. India and Pakistan maybe at a proxy war for over 50 years but that does not deter us the common people to mingle with each other. I think the political situation in Pakistan is in turmoil but then as Kamran said we have 160 Mil people still living their lives day in and day out. Sports plays a huge part in restoring a country's stature and I do believe that this high profile tour should go ahead unhindered. Australian team might be chasing $$$ in IPL but they will do cricket a great dis-service if they do not go to Pakistan. A great team is not defined by their exploits on the field but by their conduct outside the field as well and if they make this tour a success they will be respected all over the world.

  • amer husain on February 14, 2008, 17:29 GMT

    Please, no more comments about Pakistan's inability to protect its ex-PM. JFK was shot in broad daylight on US soil! So, you will have to come up with more robust arguments than that!!

  • Rauf on February 14, 2008, 17:28 GMT

    Posted by: praveen at February 14, 2008 11:35 AM

    Totally rubbish argument. Pakistan and India faught three major wars and some minor ones. When was the last time visiting Indian players, cricket or any other sport, were threatened in Pakistan.

  • azam on February 14, 2008, 17:26 GMT

    As the Aussies have make up their mind to not travel to Pakistan than i believe PCB who have already threatened to not visit australia likewise should keep up on their word. We have seen that PCB talks alot but than backs off from its instance and never get support from other countries including its best buddy BCCI. PCB has always backed down and that is the reason other countries dont give a crap about PCB and its true. Even though people argue that BCCI has lot of money and they abuse it and whatnot but why wouldnt they? They would take advantage of it but the thing is Pakistan Board has always supported BCCI too no mater what and wags like a tail in front of them, I think i have more respect for BCCI than PCB because atleast they stand on their word. I think PCB should cancel the tour to Australia too otherwise its going to be same scenario like always , other countries would treat PCB as crap and PCB would always back down. Its time for Nasim Ashraf to be man and act like it !

  • john smith on February 14, 2008, 17:21 GMT

    The thing is aussies are more aware of their situation than other cricketing countries in the sense they have worked very hard to be where they are in world cricket despite having a small population. In countries like Pakistan, people there dont understand that in Australia cricket is not just about winning or losing but playing tough till the last ball of the game. Pakistanis usually play for a win only rather than playing tough cricket. Look at how a bowler like Shaoib Akhtar is being treated by PCB. Except for Imran Khan or maybe Hafeez Kardar, Pakistani players have been treated very shabbily by PCB. So beofre pointing fingers at aussies, Pakistan should make sure to put its own house in order. As for Pakistan image, everyone knows about it. Aussie cricketers are normal people with families. So for the sake of Australian cricket please dont pressurize australia to tour Pakistan. Because aussies do care about their cricket.

  • Ghazanfar on February 14, 2008, 17:17 GMT

    I agree with you Kamran i doubt there is any danger to the australians in Pakistan. there is nothing more to say then if INDIA can go to pakistan and back without a problem then what can possibly happen to Australia? and referring to the comments made by Hammad, its a shame that you call yourself Pakistani and have such an opinion

  • Junaid on February 14, 2008, 17:13 GMT

    This is a complex, delicate situation for anyone to be in. It is human nature to think "Jaan hai to Jahaan hai" and eschew risk to one's life. On the other hand, as Salman has pointed out, Australia has shown double standards by not abandoning the England tour during the London attacks of 2005. Playing the matches in a neutral venue such as Sharjah or Abu Dhabi might be a better option in the current situation.

  • Imam on February 14, 2008, 17:08 GMT

    Can soembody in Australia please tell me that when Pak tours Australia Can Autralia guarantee there will not be any terrorist event there, so in that case Pakistan can refuse to tour too right , since The Ex Australian PM always states that Asutrali is a target

  • Nasar Farooq, Leicester.UK on February 14, 2008, 17:07 GMT

    Traditionally,Australian cricketers have never liked touring the asian sub-continent and always moan about the facilities and security.This time around,its the security fears that are being used as an excuse not to tour Pakistan.Players like Symonds, who had problems on the recent tour to India,always want the easy way out and would rather get paid twice- for cancellation of tour to Pakistan and also for participating in the IPL league.In my opinion the biggest culprit is the Australian Cricket Board who are putting the words into the mouths of their crickters-as the Board also wants an easy life and does not have to deal with managing a 'difficult' tour-unless it really has to!There would be an uproar if pakistan pulled out of a tour to Australia, even if it was on similar grounds.Australians, who last toured Pakistan 10 years ago, are setting a dangerous precedent by starving the Pakistani public of some potentially exciting and long awaited cricket!

  • Jack Ramsay on February 14, 2008, 17:01 GMT

    The reason Australia is not touring Pakistan is because , Austrlia , UK and the US want to see an unstable Pakistan . It seems like just about a year ago a joint anti Pakstan campign was lauched by he likes of BCC , NY Times , CNN and the likes to create chaos at any cost withn Pakistan. Their beloved Musharraf was converted overnight into a tyrant. The deceased imbecile was converted into a champion of democracy.The emotional fools of Pakistan started getting pulled in different directions . Out came chaos ..which was the main objective of the external powers.Cynics woud say , the same people trumpettng instability are the cause of instability. Because just about a year back things were stable there.

    Australia are scared of Pakistan in Pakistan.

  • amer husain on February 14, 2008, 16:59 GMT

    Kamran, I just want to expand a little further and a little more frankly than you have on the 'fear' of the Australian players. I believe it boils down to the fact that Pakistan is full of muslims and they see a potential terrorist in each and every person around them, whether they be their security guards, the police or the man in the street etc. No manner of assurance will allay this blind fear. This generic and global suspicion is simply a fact most muslims have to deal with in our daily interactions with the westerners. I think it is time we said enough is enough and simply responded by stating categorically that the return tour in 09 and and all future tours are dependent on the Australians visiting on schedule. Otherwise, these preposterous double standards will only perpetuate. Pakistan Cricket and its fans should no longer be allowed to be insulted this way because of fears which as you have rightly stated are based on demonising an entire nation.

  • theossa, Pittsburgh, U.S.A. on February 14, 2008, 16:59 GMT

    Bravo Kamran! Security seems like an excuse to me, I think it’s more of a matter of IPL involving a lot of “Green”. So much fuss is made in Australia about touring Indian team but they can’t wait to travel India and have fat pockets. Pak needs to send a strong message; they should cancel their 2009 tour of Australia and should not play Australia on neutral venues as well otherwise this will become a pattern. In the past they made a huge mistake by playing Australia in U.A.E. and they’re paying for it. Some folks here are saying because Australia is involved in “war on terror” they might be targeted in Pakistan. Well, if you are afraid of the aftermath then why involve in the first place? Afzaal Khan you are spot on, when you say, “terrorism cannot deter us” its time to walk the talk, YOU PAUSSIES!

  • Suchin on February 14, 2008, 16:57 GMT

    Excellent article; two ways of looking at it. One, the reality that Benazir Bhutto did get assasinated, so security is an issue. Second, this is CRICKET we are talking about, not a politicians rally (with all due respect to the bereaved). As as Indian, I understand the kind of passion we have for cricket and also remember the excellent hospitality displayed by Pakistan when we toured. For all the Aussie swagger, this team is behaving like a bunch of wusses. But also put yourself in the shoes of a player - do you play or do you sit and worry about getting bombed?? Well, all said and done, the personal opinions of the players also need to be accounted for...this does set a wrong precedence. Lets hope that the tour continues...

  • Cricketer on February 14, 2008, 16:53 GMT

    I think most Australian crickters are thinking about IPL and if they tour Pakistan then they miss out on the $$ from IPL. End of the day its all about how much they can make. I think Pakistan was very safe pre-911 but now all of a sudden its not safe. May be it was a mistake to HELP during war on terror?

  • thas on February 14, 2008, 16:40 GMT

    Hi all the Pakistani fellas, do not cry too much over Aussies tour. Your politicians & military mens are supporting the terrorism in the world. your weapons kill a lot of innocent people in the world. Now starts biting your own leg. Aussies should not go there forever.First tell your people to stop killing each other. stop promoting terrorism all over the world. Most of players already joint Indian rebel league ICl. Have you still got somebody to play against Australia? Ok, If we sent our team to Pakistan can you protect them from your stupid blood thirst religious terrorist? Your terrorist are famous for their stand against other realigions.specialy against Hindus & christians. If you want to play against us come out & play in a neutral country.

  • Imran on February 14, 2008, 16:25 GMT

    Just as an alcoholic first needs to accept his condition before being able to remedy it, so too do we in Pakistan need to look at ourselves long and hard, and realize that our unique mix of illiteracy, intolerance, religous extremism, ethnicism, violence, and corruption have conspired to create a virtual living hell on earth. The facts abound around us. Fewer than 5000 tourists visited Pakistan last year (compared to 16 million in Thailand). More suicide bombings than any other country spare Iraq. Touring teams do not want to come because the security situation (or lack of) means they are shuttered up in hotels for most of the tour. In India, players can bring their families, are free to tour cultural sites, visit Bollywood sets, or go to nightclubs, or whatever else. On the other hand, why would anyone want to come to our self created Islamic Utopia (not) where culture, film, and entertainment are despised and violence glorified. The players would rather go to IPL. Why blame them?

  • Ali Khan on February 14, 2008, 16:25 GMT

    It is human nature to lean towards reports you get regardless of where they are coming from. For this very reason Somalia is considered 'most dangerous' and Afghanistan is 'unvisitable' although as my Afghani and Somali friends tell me - 'reality is different'.

  • Salman on February 14, 2008, 16:25 GMT

    I'm sure Kamran would argue that the Olympics should be held in Pakistan even as the country burns. Its not just about the Bhutto killing; its about the election-time tensions, inter-party riots, uncertainty about results and what the military will do. The war against Taliban is being openly fought in the NWFP, (notice how no one argues about not playing in Peshawar). And Pakistan's problems have existed since summer of '07. Its not an aberration, nor is a country under military rule, under attack from organized terrorists and warring politicians the best place to do anything. Kamran - use your persuasive skills to bring peace to Pakistan. Then lecture the Australians on what is right and wrong.

  • dave on February 14, 2008, 16:19 GMT

    Indeed we (Australians -- players and board) are displaying some contemptible double standards regarding this issue. South Africa toured Pakistan recently without a hitch and a political killing, unfortunate though it was, changes the situation for a touring team only negligibly.

    With the situation as it is currently I (an Australian living in the UK) have no doubt that the Australian team should tour Pakistan as planned.

  • farhan on February 14, 2008, 16:11 GMT

    Go Aussies GO ...SHow us the spirit of cricket ....u can earn money lots of it later wid IPL, ICL ....but for us cricket starved nation ...dont deprive us of cricket......be brave...its nothin wrong in Pakistan for u guys ....from mullahs to moderates....we al wnt cricket action...Cmon AUssies....we r waitin for u mate..

  • icon on February 14, 2008, 16:06 GMT

    Hammad, you make sense. The 'fact' that terrorists like cricket can't counteract the fact that if one decides he/she doesn't, the Pakistani security people will be unable to prevent a tragedy. Especially with international, high-profile targets. Especially with Australia a stated target of Al Qaida (who no-one will deny prosper on the ineffectiveness of Pakistani security). Kamal, you are a cricket commentator, not an international affairs correspondent. What you think doesn't really matter in this case...what matters is the security information provided by expert security analysts (Aus and Pakistani) to the Australian officials.

  • taz on February 14, 2008, 15:53 GMT

    Couldn't agree more, Aussies are letting the threat of terroist attacks on them come in between them and this lovely game we all love and cherish. I also think that due to the fact that the Indian Premier League is starting in April, that is what the Aussies have lined up, rather than being locked in to their hotel rooms after every day's play.

  • Prashant from USA on February 14, 2008, 15:51 GMT

    Kamran, I think you got it wrong! "Security" is the issue here, not the security you think it is, it the financial security which they will get from playing for IPL for a few weeks than play a full tour in Pakistan. At least half of current Ozzy team including Ponting, Gilly, Clarke, Symmo, Hayden, Lee and few others would be signed up by various franchiesee for a very lucrative sums for a very short term assignments. Australia's tour to Pakistan is the first victim of IPL. I am not against IPL/ICL or T20, This is commercialization with a pinch of salt for you. From the players point of view but the fact is its life security v/s financial security, given a choice which one would you pick?

  • Naresh on February 14, 2008, 15:35 GMT

    The Ozzies want to play in IPL.

  • Hassan Farooqi on February 14, 2008, 15:33 GMT

    To Hammad: If there should be any team at risk, it should be our deadly enemies the Indians. However when it comes to cricket, Indian crickets inhibit no such fears and see a big fan base in Pakistan.

    If involvement in Afghanistan is an issue, then the English should be at risk, however they visited without any fear.

    None of these two countries swims with sharks but know for sure the power of cricket, a game that ended apartheid in South Africa, brings war to a standstill during a match in Sri Lanka, etc.

    Perhaps the Australians need to believe in the power of their national sport.

  • Ramesh Bala on February 14, 2008, 15:31 GMT

    Im an Indian and I firmly believe that Australia must tour Pakistan. If SA and Zimbabwe have toured and faced no problem, what more do the Aussies want?

    Also, it is quite hypocritical of them to say Pakistan is dangerous, when they were in London during the July 7th blasts. If that did not make them cancel the tour how is this more dangerous? How can they have one pattern of thinking when touring a western nation and another pattern when touring the sub-continent. Just goes to show that there is a inherent bias against the sub-continent.

  • Aditya on February 14, 2008, 15:26 GMT

    It's first world hypocrisy, Kamran. When bombs went off In London, the Ashes weren't cancelled, were they? I personally think that the Aussies are just looking for an excuse so that they can play in the IPL and make money.

  • dev on February 14, 2008, 15:25 GMT

    Pakistan and emerging country?? Are you kidding man....a country that cannot protect its former Prime Minister confirms safety to visitors! First know the definition of an emerging country, a la emerging economy Mr.Abbasi.

  • Nash on February 14, 2008, 15:25 GMT

    Come on Aussies... On field u look so much like bully of the neighborhood .. challenging, teasing, shouting, verbally ridiculing the opponents and pressurizing the umpires ... why do u behave like pansies out of field?? Why don't u just stay at home, wear a skirt, do your nails and cook food? This way i guarantee you will be safe from all the dangers of the world. I agree with Kamran - and i so don't agree with him usually when he writes - that if you think bombers of Karachi are more dangerous than bombers of London, Mumbai and Colombo, then you should let the braver Australians represent Australia - the country who fights against terrorism and not gets bossed around by it.

    i've been to Pakistan so many times and yes it is true that if you see Pakistan through the eyes of CNN, BBC and FOX, terrorism , bomb blasts and political upheaval is all you'll see but, my dear world champions, Pakistan is much more than that. i challenge you to see it on your own and you'll see the difference!

  • Aditya on February 14, 2008, 15:20 GMT

    It's first world hypocrisy, Kamran. When bombs went off In London, the Ashes weren't cancelled, were they? I personally think that the Aussies are just looking for an excuse so that they can play in the IPL and make money.

  • lux on February 14, 2008, 15:13 GMT

    Another Aussie here.

    It's unlikely you'll find anyone in the current team who has an articulate position on the situation in Pakistan.

    The ascendency of the Australian cricket team has been matched by a refining of the machine, such that young cricketers in this country are now more insulated than ever. Think Ponting, think M.Clarke.

    Australians aren't a political people. We have a strong sense of 'a fair go', but the situation in Pakistan is too complex for the average Australian to comprehend who exactly deserves a fair go.

    Interestingly enough many apolitical Australians argued strongly for the team to go to Zimbabwe for 'the sake of the kids'. How does such naive thinking romanticise Pakistan? Unfortunately Pakistan has failed to capture the imagination of much of the world in the same way that say, India or Brazil have (countries of similar safety, charm and middle class growth) and for this reason it is unlikely that much public pressure will be applied . A shame for cricket!

  • Rahul on February 14, 2008, 15:07 GMT

    Well, if the the cordonsof security guards, could not save Ms. Bhutto, from the terror attacks, i wonder how the same security will save the australian team in case the terror groups decide to target them? And with regards to SA,their team decided to leave Sri Lanka, after a suicide attack in colombo, though the Indian team had decided to go ahead with the tour and the tri-series. So i wonder, what is wrong if the aussies have security concerns especially during the current situation in pakistan? And SA, visited pakistan in october before the imposition of the emergency and assasination of Ms. Bhutto. i wonder if they would have toured pakistan in its current situation. Please remember cricketers are also humans and have families, and they would surely feel for the secutity of themselves and their families, over the supposed "spirit of the game" of cricket. I wonder how many of us would travel to a place in strife in our own country, let alone a foreign country?

  • SAM on February 14, 2008, 15:06 GMT

    Spot On Mr. Abbassi, One thing i would like to suggest to the Pakistan Board and officials that we don't need to beg in front of Australian cricketers or board, if they visit Pakistan thats well & good, if they dont then we damn care! Australian cricket did this few years ago too, we agreed to play on neutral grounds and it turned out to be such a waste series. I think Australia and other countries need to change their mind set about Pakistan & Pakistanis because ground realities are pretty much different from what media is always portraying. Politicians are not safe anywhere in the world are they? We have histories of high profile politicians being killed all over the world, that should not affect cricket or any other sport. Can anyone imagine what would have happened if that egg thrown on Muralitharan in Australia was instead thrown on some Australian in an Asian country? Mr Hammad, if you start believing that life & death is in command of God only, it might reduce you fears!

  • Shahid Iqbal, Canada on February 14, 2008, 15:06 GMT

    You talked about perception and it is 100% correct. The way world media projects the image of Pakistan is very disturbing. I live in Canada and being a Pakistani even when I hear and see the pictures in the news I get scared. I know that the reality is different and it is not all that unsafe in Pakistan. But think about the people in the west (or Aussies in this case) who have no real picture in front of them to compare. Our media is at fault of not counter projecting the positive image of Pakistan. We should learn lessons from India. There perhaps are equal or greater numbers of issues and terrorist activities going on there BUT there media projects a very positive image. That is why no one talks about any safety issues for a tour there.

    My first reaction is, if Australia does not visit then Pak should invite another available team and discontinue cricketing ties with them until they visit. It sounds harsh but I guess the nation needs to take a stand here. Be proud Pakistani !

  • raj on February 14, 2008, 15:00 GMT

    it is obvious that the 'pristine', 'unbuyable'Aussies have been bought over by Indian money. As an Indian, i am only glad to see the "country-over-money" mask of Aussie cricketers removed and the greed exposed. Australian Cricketers, former and present, tend to gloat about their pride playing for the country, lack of greed etc. They used to pour scorn on Indian Cricketers for being 'greedy'. Now, it is clear that when money beckoned, they are trotting out some excuse and opting out of Pak tour. So, where did your pure heart go, mates?

    I feel sorry for Pak - too bad you dont have riches to offer - if you can throw a few rupees, the aussies will come running

  • Phoenix on February 14, 2008, 14:53 GMT

    Dear Kamran, as a dispassionate Indian who does not Pakistan-bash in any sense at all I would like to make one point. What do these cricketors play the game for - 1. because they love it and are highly skilled at it; and/or 2. they want to earn money or fame or both. Very few play it as ambassadors for their countries irrespective of what anyone says. Similar to you or me who do a job we like and earn a living. When you expect them suddenly to travel to a country which is in enough turmoil, it scares them - they have a wife/girlfriend and children and uplifting Pakistanis by playing cricket is not their aim or intention. For you and me its our land and we know that media shows things that it has to - but for a stranger it is scary. I would not condemn Australians for not visiting your shores as I would not condemn you if you had refused to report cricket from Mumbai during the Kargil war - you would have been safe if you had, but not assured.

  • Reehan on February 14, 2008, 14:52 GMT

    Marcus and Frank make some very valid points. My own view, on a less serious note, it that the Aussies are scared of playing in Pak coz they dont wanna lose a test series. 1998 was a fluke, a fantastic one. The records set by Waugh and Ponting for consecutive tests wins are missing away wins against Pak. SA recently did it but it would be a test of Aussie chr to come and play in Pak, and maybe they arent up to it. Prove me wrong CA!

  • blake on February 14, 2008, 14:43 GMT

    I also wish Australia would tour Pakistan and Pakistan are right to refuse to play at neutral venues, Pakistan are a major Test nation and deserve the respect of playing series at home. Having said that I hope I can explain to people from Pakistan why the Australians (I am one myself) fear touring there. It is not perceived as one ot two isolated blasts occuring. They seem to be regular and authorities powerless to stop them (a regular stream of attacks at the president, opponents, buildings, people). It is not too long since a state or martial law was declared. Until we see how the general elections affect things, I can understand their reticence to tour. Surely its sensible to wait and see until then, no more trouble, no blasts, then tour, no worries. I hope Australia does tour and that you guys give Shahid Afridi a run in the Test team, he was just coming good, an underated bowler. Bat him at 8 with a licence to swing!

  • Absar on February 14, 2008, 14:36 GMT

    I dont really blame the aussies. Normally I would be very critical of teams not touring due to security threats but situation in pakistan is terrible. The Govt does not seem to have any control over its territory. That in itself is reason enough. Atleast govts in India, england have decent control over their land. Not the case in pakistan where every other day you hear a bombing in a major city. Its really sad but I dont blame them completely. They couldnt protect Benazir... No reason why they would protect the aussies.

  • Hamza on February 14, 2008, 14:24 GMT

    Kamran,

    I have always been a great fan of your blog but your latest post has left me disappointed. Your indignation at the "demonising" of Pakistan by the outside world seems to have expressed itself in sneering, generalized references to the Australians' love of "sharks" and "fast cars."

    Of course the Aussies are not political targets. However, that is not the issue: the fact of the matter is that Pakistan - at the moment - is ubiquitously unstable and a bomb could go off anywhere, anytime. If one Australian cricketer were to die in a suicide attack - regardless of whether it was meant for him or not -, what would we say then? Religious men are not the only headache. For every bomb that explodes, there are a myriad of potential culprits, from faceless institutions to well-publicised individuals. There is no simply no telling who is behind what, and what will happen where. In such an environment, it should not surprise us if the Australians choose against coming,shame as it is

  • Awas on February 14, 2008, 14:20 GMT

    It’s a wonderful letter indeed Kamran.

    Aussies fear is nothing but white man’s prejudices. After BB’s death the consensus in the West was there would be uncontrolled never ending carnage in a “lawless” country like Pakistan. There was nothing of that sort. Basically, masses are fed up shedding their blood for politicians and rulers who are not only corrupt but use people as pawns to gain power.

    Basically, as Salman mentions 4 major countries including arch rivals India have toured without incident. So, if presidential level security is being offered then all I can surmise is that Aus are not only looking for a good break from a hectic schedule but also are looking to earn some fast bucks in IPL tournament.

    Hammad – “Pakistan” could have “saved its ex-PM” as it was not Pakistan that advised her to pop her head out from a safe vehicle. On the contrary Pakistan advised her to do away with rallies because of pre-announced threats from extremists. As you feel so scared to visit your homeland, hypochondriacs like you should stay away.

    The individual Australians like Andrew Symonds should also have a right of same choice but Aus as a nation and a team need no fear.

    I do like excellent unbiased views of Frank and Marcus. We need more of the same from Aussies.

  • Umair Muzaffar on February 14, 2008, 14:16 GMT

    I want to bring another point of view ... I agree that they are afraid to visit Pakistan ... but not for thier lives ... they just don't want to bowl on Pakistani pitches or bat when a Shoiab Akhter is bowling.

    I think they are scared of loosing the the series to Pakistan and denting their winning record.

    A team unwilling to play outside their comfort zones are inherently a week team.

  • sam on February 14, 2008, 14:15 GMT

    i am an Australian, and do believe the team should tour, but many of the people here seem to have missed some vital points. It is not the Australian cricketers who are threatening not to tour, it is Cricket Australia. The players will tour if the board deems it safe. Also, it is not the fear of a random terrorist attack in pakistan that is worrying them, it is the political tension. From what we in Australia have been led to believe there is increasing tension in the lead up to the elections, CA fears a situation such as the one that occured in Kenya- if one side rejects the result and violence breaks out in the streets. Terrorisim is not the major fear, right now there are people on trial for plotting to bomb a sporting events such as cricket and football matches in australia. Australia will tour if CA and its advisors, including the government ect. deems the political situation in Pakistan to be stable.

  • Ak on February 14, 2008, 13:58 GMT

    These guys should not tour Pakistan,its one of the most unsafe place to go after probably Afghanistan and some african countries.I am from Pakistan,I am not safe walking down the street sometimes.Well we cut what we sow, its a lesson for us that what we have practised in other countries in the past is repeated on us. I would never advise Australians to tour, its unsafe. Nothing is more important than someones life, which unfortuntely has very less value at the moment in Pakistan.

  • saqeeb on February 14, 2008, 13:58 GMT

    I cannot agree more than the comments.You should understand why they do not want to come Pakistan.If Pakistan can't save its ex-PM. It is not capable of saving Australian team either.At first you should make your country safe & democratic then play cricket.Your country image is not good in world arena. It is true.

  • Nazam on February 14, 2008, 13:48 GMT

    Well I do not agree with all of the above.Australians are not touring Pakistan because they want to take part in IPL and this is only their a veru very lame excuse that there are unsafe there.If they fear "terrorists" then it means terrorists have won.And if they have won then why Australian army is in Afghanistan.They are ther to defeat terrorists but their country men(australian team) are providing an example against it.I live in Lahore and I am as safe in Lahore as Ricky is in Hobart.If they say our ex PM was murdered then I want to tell them that she was murdered by Government itself.If Australians do not come ,Pakistanis should not tour Australia.If Pakistanis go ahead with tour, they are BIG BIG TRAITORS AND HAVE NO SELF RESPECT FOR THEM AND THEIR COUNTRY. Wassalam Nazam Hussain Shah

  • Mansoor Mian on February 14, 2008, 13:46 GMT

    I just don't get it...why continue with the tour of England when Bombs Exploded there; be on the same soil (Sri Lanka and India) where terrorist attacks were happening. But when it comes to touring Pakistan, all these issues become primary and cricket becomes secondary?

    Aussie players are known to display 'Macho-ism' and the so-called 'Manly' behavior on the pitch and yet they are being the biggest sissies in my eyes, when it comes to the tour of Pakistan!

    Yes, their life could be at risk if they tour Pakistan but how is it any different from touring India, Sri Lanka, any part of the world?

    Here is how we feel: http://blogs.cricinfo.com/pakspin/archives/2008/02/a_letter_to_australians.php#more

  • Saad Siddiqui on February 14, 2008, 13:43 GMT

    The Aussies will be doing Pakistan a huge favour by not touring. The country's image is already a shambles, and any incident will leave it further humiliated. Both The Economist and Newsweek have had cover stories labelling Pakistan as the World's Most Dangerous place. It would utterly senseless for them to tour Pakistan where they would make easy prey for any wannabe terrorist to score a self-perceived PR coup.

  • Prabhakar on February 14, 2008, 13:40 GMT

    Kamran, Much as I would like to sympathise with your view, the reality is that the no top international sportsman wants to go to Pakistan. Your case was hopeless after the FIH moved the Champions Trophy Hockey Tournament from Pakistan to Malaysia on security grounds. If Pakistan is not deemed safe for one major sport, why should it be safe for another. There cannot be one rule for hockey and its players and another for cricket and cricketers. As far as I can remember, when the FIH made the decision, there wasnt even a choo of protest from you or from other Pakistani journalists that a precedent was being set which could be followed by other sports like cricket. So accept the fact that sport in Pakistan is the unfortunate casualty of the political situation. All international sportspersons have a freedom of choice as to where they want to play and where they dont. Pakistan at the moment is firmly in the dont list.

  • Wasiq on February 14, 2008, 13:38 GMT

    Kamran it’s quite obvious why Aussies are willing to cancel this tour. It’s simply because they want to play in IPL (which starts about the same time as this tour) and make all the big bucks. If Ponting & Symonds can publicly point fingers at their own cricket board for not resolving the Cricket Australia’s sponsoring agreement in order to allow the players to play in this league then I don’t think they would think twice about cancelling the tour to Pakistan. Security is just an excuse period.

    I am afraid IPL/ICL is going to ruin international cricket and effects of this league are starting to emerge already. Some very experienced players are retiring early while others are overlooking their national duties to play in this league and make some quick bucks.

  • Swami on February 14, 2008, 13:35 GMT

    I can fully understand the position taken by Australian board. There is no credibility to the claim that the government can protect the players. They havent been able to protect Benazir inspite of knowing fully well that she is an obvious target. Even the Ambassador to Afghanistan has been kidnapped in the last few days. To crazed idiots searching for the next high profile target, why should the Aussies willingly present themselves as a target. They are cricketers out to play a sport, not to put their lives at risk. To compare with Mumbai or London is ridiculous. First of all bombs dont go off with the same frequency as Karachi, and secondly the cricketers are not high profile targets. To say the people of Pakistan are warm and kind is hardly relevant, its the people who can cause harm and damage who are relevant.

  • KR on February 14, 2008, 13:24 GMT

    Looks like the Australians desire to play in the ICL is outweighing their desire to honor their commitment to Pakistan. If terrorists wanted to harm them, they can do it anywhere in the world. The Australians would be respected more for their decision if they wanted to reschedule the tour so as to allow them to participate in the ICL.

  • Owais on February 14, 2008, 13:20 GMT

    I don't understand, if predominantly white South Africans can visit Pakistan, if Indians can come and before that English team has also visited and went back with good memories of hospitality of Pakistani people, why Ausses are doing this ? is it that they think they can conveniently walk away get some rest in a test schedule during which they will be playing 22 tests in 12 months ? I think thats very unfortunate.

  • saurabh somani on February 14, 2008, 13:18 GMT

    kamran, i agree with ur basic point - that australia shoudnt call of the tour due to security concerns, but i dont agree with ur arguments. swim with sharks? cmon kamran, how many do u think do that from the team? and the assassination of benazir has no significance? the significance is that it contributes to an image of unsafe, dangerous territory, and a very strong image at that. and do u really fail to understand the risks the aussies feel they will be exposed to? not i dont say that their fears are valid, but surely u wud understand exactly what their fear is. the arguments in favor of touring are that the security that pakistan provides to touring teams is extremely efficient, that no other teams have experienced any discomfort, that australia have a chance to stand up and be counted as ambassadors for their country in a part of the world where they are much misunderstood and grudgingly admired.

  • Neil on February 14, 2008, 13:16 GMT

    Kamran,as per usual you cannot hide your true feelings toward Australians. Surely you cannot seriously believe you are going to inspire the Aussie cricketers to ignore the risks when you use such kind words to invite them over. Warm-hearted welcoming friendly gestures like "smacks of cultural imperialism" and "you wallow in the splendour of your rich world lifestyles". Yes that should make the Aussies feel comfortable and relaxed about heading over. Personally, I would be very sad if the Aussies decide not to tour because I, like you, think that the real risks are low and I,like you, believe that it would be a good thing for Pakistan in its present troubled situation. Unfortunately, all your poisonous pen does is make it more likely that some misguided soul will be inspired to make plans to take the Aussies out. Your obvious anti-Western brand of populist nationalism has no place in a Cricket blog. That Cricinfo allows you to continue to spew such vitriol brings them no credit at all.

  • Asif Abbasi on February 14, 2008, 13:13 GMT

    Dear Kamran, Wonderful comments. I think Pakistan should be backed up because it is a frontline state against war on terror. However, if each of the allies run away the moment they sense a small danger, than that is pretty ridiculous. Zimbabwe (another international team), visited us recently The life of each and every player in Zimbabwe team is as important as Australians. We protected them well, and we are sure we can protect Aussies as well (if their is any danger that is). Most people who know the ground realities would agree that the so-called terrorists in pakistan are fighting against the establishment for the wrongdoings, and have not harmed any cricketer of the world. Pakistanis should be allowed to witness the battle between an emerging Pakistan team and the world champions.

  • Hassan on February 14, 2008, 13:13 GMT

    I applaud Australians to take a stand and not tour Pakistan. Its not about double standard, its about trust, Australians stayed in England even after July 7 bombings, because they trusted the British officials. Meanwhile Pakistani officials could not save their ex-PM.

    Also having a country run by tyrant dictator (Musharraf) is enough reason not to visit. Just like Zimbabwe has been boycotted for years because of dictator Mugabe, Pakistan should be as well till Musharraf is there.

  • Farooq on February 14, 2008, 13:12 GMT

    Well ! Well! This is just another way of letting terrorist know that there terror is working in Pakistan.

    Dear Australians- When you mention "risk". Please define...

    My Dear fellow Pakistani- What a shame for us that Australia is willing to deny the tour.

    Goes to show how the country is view as...

    Hope it goes through, i cant wait for some exciting cricket :P

  • Owais on February 14, 2008, 13:05 GMT

    I don't understand, if predominantly white South Africans can visit Pakistan, if Indians can come and before that English team has also visited and went back with good memories of hospitality of Pakistani people, why Ausses are doing this ? is it that they think they can conveniently walk away get some rest in a test schedule during which they will be playing 22 tests in 12 months ? I think thats very unfortunate.

  • Akash on February 14, 2008, 13:03 GMT

    India have been to Pakistan twice in the last five years, playing out two full tours without any discrepancies. The main obstacle preventing this exciting contest is IPL, not player security.

  • Sriram Krishna on February 14, 2008, 13:03 GMT

    Double, triple or whatever standards, if a player does not want to go to a particular place because he considers it as a risk, he should have a right to do so. After all, they are only sportsmen and not soldiers going to war.

    Let me ask Kamran, would you be willing to play cricket in Afghanistan or Iraq now? You may say it is absurd to compare the situation in Pakistan with those but thats your perception right? Likewise, everyone has their own and where it concerns one's personal safety there is no argument.

  • Rizwan Ahmed on February 14, 2008, 12:49 GMT

    the most detrmimental thing is the media attack on pakistan as a country of terrorists,etc.They fail to acknowledge that most muslims in pakistan are against the takfeeri terrorist ideology and they are genuine cricket fans.the Australians should increase security to a level they are comfortable with.Not all places in pakistan are unsafe the vast majority of the area is very safe.I would say that touring countries like SA,England,Australia are more dangerous since they have a history of racism (aborigines).The aborgines were slaughtered and oppressed by the Australians.

  • Tommy P on February 14, 2008, 12:43 GMT

    As a young Australian who has travelled alone in the same Indonesian towns apparently regarded by our government as terrorist warrens, I cannot agree more. The Australian team will have plenty of security; even if there were threats to tourists, the national cricketers would be better protected than international diplomats and journalists. They should tour, just to give the Pakistani team the chance to beat them!

    But one thing, Mr Abbasi! Please don't tar all Australians with the same brush. As a country we have a new leader, and we all hope the attitude of those in authority is changing. I hope that in the next couple of years, you will see that Australia is getting beyond its so called cultural imperialist stance. Thanks and Salaam.

  • Waqar on February 14, 2008, 12:41 GMT

    Please Kamran, write something about Shoaib Akhtar. He is consistently being picked by the dictatorial PCB. He got a clash with Asif, which was blown out of proportion as dressing room incidents happen all over the world in all sports. He got a huge fine for it as well as a 13-match ban. Everybody who is punished is a free man afterwards, but not Shoaib. He was demoted to a retainership. A punishment above another punishment. As a sportsman you are hurt when you are not playing or being demoted in any situation, like Danish. There should be room for sportsman crying their heart out if not selected, or in this case not being given a central contract. Here in Holland where I am from, coaches say about disappointed criticising players who are not selected that they would find it rather strange if they were not hurt and disappointed. PCB has become a true dictatorship or as Bush would say : " Either you are with me or against me "

  • Arsh on February 14, 2008, 12:38 GMT

    Well said Kamran bhai. As an Indian myself, I could not agree with you more. Aussies but a strong, tough face on field but the have no clue what being tough means. They are a team of weaklings who don't want to come out and test themselves in tough Pakistani conditions so they are using "safety" as an excuse to bail out.

  • irfan moughal on February 14, 2008, 12:36 GMT

    the aussie army is in afghanistan. surely if they were able to go to war with a nation that was innocent and destroy it, cant they play cricket too????

  • Salman (UK) on February 14, 2008, 12:32 GMT

    @Hammad For hammad, From the name you look like a muslim So kindly me, you and everyone as a muslim believe that no body can avoid death . No matter you are in Pakistan or in any corner of the world. So if somebody speically a Pakistani is afraid to go to home country then dont go there, because death will follow all of us where ever we are in any corner of the World.

    Apart from everything pakistan is not in state of war in civilian areas. So i am more than happy to visit Pakistan everytime i get a chance. My Parents,Family, My relatives, My brothers & sisters live over there. Some Day i wil be going there for their benfits instead of calling only my family here and live as a imposter here. Ausiz is may be more intrested in playing IPL than in pakistan because in the end what matter's is money

  • Musstanser on February 14, 2008, 12:19 GMT

    Mark of terrorism is just a facade to participate in the the official indian league! If OZs dont come they would let down the spirit of sports loving nation over MONEY! Where is indian league held? i heard in india. Do you have any idea how many people die in india everday (solely cz of terrorism?). Being some one who has lived both in Pakistan and Australia, The decision to not to visit Pakistan will really hurt me along with all Pakis and Ausies.

  • JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 14, 2008, 12:12 GMT

    I was thinking, its about time for Kamran Abbassi to write something on this issue and, it must be a telepathic message for him from his bloggers that he created this thread in the shape of a letter to the Australians. Its not only good but, it covers almost every aspect to stir the conscience of the Aussies. Yet there are a few things which are politically incorrect for Kamran to mention it but, for the bloggers its fine to air and express our views more openly. Therefore, I am adding a few more of the reasons which may have prevented the Australians from canceling this tour. The western teams especially England, Australia, NZ (not so western in geographical terms) and South Africa (not far from where Zimbabwe is) have always tried to find one reason or the other to complain about their tours and, that is mainly because of the fact that, for them the lifestyle in Pakistan is not the same as it is in their country or even like India's. For them they miss the bars, the clubs, the discotheques, the night life and the freedom of movement. Earlier, on their trips to the sub-continent they used to complain about the food and water and used to bring their own MRE's, drinks and even a micro-wave ovens i.e., when the microwaves were not so common in the sub-continent. They were happy in India because, from their point of view it was more open atmosphere and after the games they had parties, live entertainment and co-mingling with the film actresses and the extras. But, they couldn't do any such thing in Pakistan for obvious reasons, so life is pretty dull and boring for them. Even though they were able to swim in the swimming pools of the 5 star hotels of Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi, but the view or the landscape was different for them because there aren't any bikinis or cocktails. So, apart from cricket they were more interested in the paraphernalia or the "lavazmaat" that are associated with their lifestyle thats missing, but they could never admit it openly, hence their tours to Pakistan were pretty bland outside the cricket grounds. What can they do in the evening after playing a test match in a city like Multan or Faislabad? They raised security concerns and when they were provided with the VIP security, they complained about that too, by saying that 'our boys feel very uncomfortable with so many guards around in the hotel lobby and on the ground.' So, imo, this is a disease that cannot be cured. The name of this disease is a four letter word called "love." They cannot call it "hate" because, that would be racism.. To sum up in Urdu with a poetic verse, " Ishq jab hudd say guzar jai tou beemaari hai, aur agar hudd say na guzray tou adakaari hai. So, this romantic love affair will continue in the shape of bad acting, yet they expect an Oscar!

  • Gonsalvez on February 14, 2008, 12:10 GMT

    Do not expect australians to tour pakistan, because more money they are to get from IPL is tempting them. When They have an ICC schedule to tour pakistan, the australian players are fighting with CA to lift the barriers that could prevent them from participating in IPL. This is what they are. Double Standards. They spoke about the rich board bullying after the cancellation of the ban on Bhajji. But now they want checques from BCCI playing in IPL. Again Double standards.

  • Gonsalvez on February 14, 2008, 12:10 GMT

    Do not expect australians to tour pakistan, because more money they are to get from IPL is tempting them. When They have an ICC schedule to tour pakistan, the australian players are fighting with CA to lift the barriers that could prevent them from participating in IPL. This is what they are. Double Standards. They spoke about the rich board bullying after the cancellation of the ban on Bhajji. But now they want checques from BCCI plaing in IPL. Again Double standards.

  • naz on February 14, 2008, 11:53 GMT

    if the aussies are such cowards that they do not wish to tour pakistan then pakistan should be awarded a series white wash! aussies never like going to sub continent any excuse will do

  • humzaanwar on February 14, 2008, 11:53 GMT

    Its understandable that well off senior sportsmen who have proved themselves world over do not have the motivation to go on a run of the mill overseas tour where there is perhaps a 1% terrorist incident affecting them (like bomb in Karachi back in 2002)

    But why can't the Aussies just send a reserve side - their A tour members would surely jump at the chance to enhance their credentials and for the lucrative ACB central contracts?

    It would also make for a closer and more exciting series.

  • shamoni8 on February 14, 2008, 11:51 GMT

    Salman bhai, r u comparin the one single incident of london bombings to what happens in pak daily? even taking mumbai's name is out of context, since wht happens there too is a one-off incident. most of the other countries are IMO safer than Pak, at the moment. I went to london and the most threat to my safety there was walkin alone after 9 pm. i'm afraid i dont think i'll say the same about any place in pak.

  • smasher79 on February 14, 2008, 11:50 GMT

    Mr Hammad no offense but you are totally wrong in your approach. Bhutto's assassination was political not a terrorist act. Leave it out. Kamran raised excellent points, all making sense. Some of my Aussie friends down their also made some fair comments, but i couldnt agree more with suhaib and haseeb. Trust me i live in UK and the security here is so crap that bombings can happen any time. Go to their tube stations, people enter the stations with bags freely and there is no one checking them. So aussies think about security measures over their as well. Also India is equally bad as PAK in security, think twice going over there as well, but u wont because u got double standards. I have high respect for aussies but they are simply acting like P*****s

  • Muhamamd Mubashir Hassan on February 14, 2008, 11:43 GMT

    I totally agree with you Kamran. Sports are a great way to promote harmony.Aussies may ask Mark Taylor who played a splendid knock in June 97 in Pehsawar. What does he say? People in Pakistan are starving for cricket and good competition.India toured Pakistan and received warm welcome here.South Africa toured Pakistan and played with no problems whatsoever.I would love to see Ponting coming to Pakistan and play in RawalPindi. While wishing Pakistan to give them tough time on the cricket field.

  • Ramesh on February 14, 2008, 11:39 GMT

    A point quite often missed is the very closed and almost sterile atmosphere that is posed before cricketers when they tour Pakistan in the name of security. Can anyone argue that Roger Federer will not be able to perform at his peak if he cannot wind down, after a hard day, except in the cloistered atmosphere of the hotel room. We are dealing with both human beings and athletes here.

    CLR James once said that there cannot be normal cricket in an abnormal society. In Pakistan's current situation, which is very abnormal [ for the rest of the peace loving world], how can you play normal cricket for 2 months?

    This expectation is bizarre, to say the least. And why should Pakistan at all care, if a country does not want to tour? Surely, there are more ominous problems to deal with?

  • Kiran on February 14, 2008, 11:39 GMT

    Indian's have been there and have come back twice safely. The teams produced good competitive cricket and have stolen the hearts of people. I am sure that if the Aussies go there with the intention of producing entertaining cricket no one will harm them. If the govt. of pak doesnt want them to get hurt, they wont. They atleast have control on Taliban to ensure that this cricket team is not troubled. They wouldnt have bothered much about political assassinations though. Aussies, show your heart and win the hearts of paki's. If the Indian's could do it, any one else can do it in PAK. I changed my view which was anti pak after Indian team toured there and enjoyed their hospitality and not hostility.

  • Shehzad Amin on February 14, 2008, 11:38 GMT

    A few weeks ago ,as a pakistan fan i was hoping that the series might be called off mainly due to the potential embarassment Australia might inflict on Pakistan in the tests. However since India put up a good display, im no longer torn. I think the Aussies are scared because they know this Pakistan side could turn them over. They are no longer a great side Warne,McGrath and Gilchrist are gone the heart of the side has been ripped out. The replacements are good players but nowhere near the same class. come on Australia show some balls and tour Pakistan.

  • Muhammad Shafiq on February 14, 2008, 11:36 GMT

    Thanks Kamran for excellent letter! In pakistan never eggs are thrown on visiting teams during walk (AUS), never fights outside clubs (SA), never killings (WI), yes bomb blasts but it has happened during ashes (ENG) aswell. Come aussies, we want to beat you & terrorists!

  • praveen on February 14, 2008, 11:35 GMT

    Well, I am hearing the same thing over and over again.You say that Aussie cricketers are safe because the terrorists do target them but not because you can protect them. What is the basis of your view that aussies wont be targeted particularly when their country is involved with war against talibans.

    Also dont compare the bombings in England and India to those in Pakistan."500" or more people have not died there in an year and there certainly havent been declared emergency to stop violence.

    These countries can say assure that they can protect other countries cricketers while the same cannot be said about Pakistan as they could not protect their ex-Prime minister even after an earlier failed attempt.

    If Aussies do visit Pakistan there lives are entirely at the mercy of terrorists and their love for cricket.So i dont find any fault with Australians if they decide not to come.

    But i hope they do come as I want to see Pakistan get thrashed by Aussies.

  • Rauf on February 14, 2008, 11:31 GMT

    Well said Kamran. I was just hoping for something from you in this regard.

    If Aussies are concerned about their own safety like any other human being, then they should be equally concerned when touring any South Asian country instead of just single out Pakistan. While doing that, Aussies should also refrain from driving their cars, crossing the road, lighting up the oven, playing with matches, flying etc etc.

    I think PCB must be firm in their stance. Any touring team will be provided the best security but if they cancel out on the tour, Pakistan will also cancel any future tours to the refusing country WITHOUT ANY EXCEPTION. Let ICC deal with that. To h e l l with the neutral venues.

    From now on, I will refuse to pay to watch any matches that features Australian team until they grow up. This is my stand on it.

  • Ab on February 14, 2008, 11:30 GMT

    CA should be ashamed about their commitment and participation to tour pakistan.I hope the icc punishes CA for not touring . They have dissapointed all Pakistani fans . The rest of the season is with the pentangular cup and possibly the ICL.

  • hasan on February 14, 2008, 11:27 GMT

    i am not a pakistani. and my view is that aussies are doing this because of pressure from BCCI since IPL and aussie-pak clashes overlap. just my view...

  • UMB from Islamabad on February 14, 2008, 11:19 GMT

    ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.........

    Well done KA

  • Khurram - Karachi on February 14, 2008, 11:12 GMT

    I think Aussies should not tour Pakistan, even they do tour they will abondon the tour even on a sound of fire cracker leave alone suicide bombs etc...... The tour will unfortunately further defame Pakistan and its peace loving people.

  • Geoff Plumridge on February 14, 2008, 11:01 GMT

    I think that an Australian XI would make an excellent terrorist target- and whilst on the subject an official Cricket Australia committee determines whether it is safe to go or not.. the cricketers themselves have no say in it in the end..

    Playing to placate the Pakistan public isn't worth losing one's life over.. sorry we don't have public political assasinations in our country.

  • jondavluc on February 14, 2008, 11:00 GMT

    marcus get off the video games there cricketers not soldiers they don't need to go if they feel unsafe

  • Captain Swing on February 14, 2008, 10:44 GMT

    I realise that it is very important for normal life and normal sporting interests to be shored up as Pakistan experiences political change. An Australian tour would be helpful, but it is unfair to say that there is no danger.

    To must of us, people who blow themselves up in fanatical attacks are just barking mad, and we simply can't guess what target they may choose. Australians have been fighting in Iraq, and are fighting in Afghanistan. The Bali bombings let them know that the madmen are on their case, so I really can't blame the cricketers.

    I sense that the majority of Pakistanis are religious, but also determined that their country will develop economically and join the developed world. Their victory over the terrorists would be helped a bit by an Australian tour, but it would be set back a long way by a successful attack on the Australian team.

    Sitting safe (or safeish) home in England it's hard to call.

  • Stuart on February 14, 2008, 10:43 GMT

    If Pakistan cannot keep politicians safe, there is no value in their promise to keep the Australian cricketers safe. You may have met many "religious men" in Pakistan, but somehow I doubt whether many of those you met were committed to the use of violence against infidels to bring about an Islamic state. I don't think the Australian's are worried about rational people - the players' concerns are about people trying to overthrow the government who might see killing them as a good way of getting some global publicity for their cause.

    I'm rather curious how much time the writer spends in Pakistan, or does he live elsewhere?

  • Dr. Imran on February 14, 2008, 10:39 GMT

    I can see australian not coming here for sure after creating this fuss. I request PCB to reciprocate this act of Australian by boycotting their tour of Australia next year and causing the financial losses.

  • Rev on February 14, 2008, 10:34 GMT

    Kamran, did it smack of 'cultural imperialism' when Aussie diggers and their Blackhawks (soldiers if you were wondering) were helping out after the 05 earthquake, or were they just lost on their way to Afghanistan to fight the Taliban?

    The Australian government recommends it's citizens do not travel, and last time I checked Ricky Ponting & Co carried a passport with and emu and a kangaroo on it. And as for driving cars, crossing the road, and swimming with sharks - well, you can do that anywhere, so why add the odd bombing to the risk.

    You might think I am against the tour but I'm not - I'm against the notion that simply dismissing someone else's concerns makes it acceptable to ridicule them. Since we're talking about people's lives, how about you lay your own cards on the table Kamran! What's your net worth, are you living the rich world lifestyle? I'd wager you're doing it a bit better than the average Pakistani. Be careful getting off your high horse.

  • Usman Akbar on February 14, 2008, 10:33 GMT

    I totally agree with Mr. Abbasi. We all know sports and in particular cricket as a bridge between countries, cultures, ethnic origins & most of all people. I also remember that solidarity match back in world cup 1996 played between Sri Lanka and a team consisting of BRAVE cricketers from Pakistan & India when fragile Aussies & West Indians chickened out of their world cup matches in Sri Lanka. The world witnessed that none of the players, the officials and the crowd were wearing armours.

    The Aussies should take a tip from teams who have recently travelled to Pakistan, the South Africans & Zimbabweans. Did they received any bomb or death threats? or were they not given full security? They should also note that when you are not travelling because of security threats, eggs are thrown at members of foreign team in your country. It could have been any thing other than eggs. This is a security threat. Did you provided ample security to those sportsmen? Well my answer is NO.

  • khansahab returns on February 14, 2008, 10:32 GMT

    I have made my return to Mr Abbasi's blog and hope that learned posters who helped Pakspin reach unprecedented glory in the past will also follow my example. Yes, I am talking about the honourable posters Jamjar, Euceph, Osman Ali, Eamiran etc etc. Despite the character limits, let us indulge in the same high quality, intellectual discussion and let us re-pledge our loyalties to Mr Abbasi. This is an honest plea for the sake of everyone's enjoyment of Pakspin!

    The Aussies have proven to be wimps in expressing great reluctance to tour Pakistan. This will only cause more grief to the cricket starved Pakistani public who have already faced many woes resulting from the political and social turmoil in the country. For the sake of national pride Pakistan should refuse future tours to Australia citing that no cricketer is under any sort of threat in Pakistan and has never been. I fully concur with Mr Abbasi that this is a subtle example of cultural imperialism and an unwillingness to understand or tolerate a foreign country's affairs.

  • ABC on February 14, 2008, 10:26 GMT

    I am not sure why are you blaming the Aussies for being bothered about their lives. if you cudnt protect ur ex-PM there is no realistic chance that anybody else can be protected. There are probably more suicide bombers in Pakistan at this moment than people at the universities combined. if a high court is not safe.. how safe can be a hotel or a cricket field.

    It would be a sad day for cricket, but it would be better to put the blame on Mr. Mush and the government rather than Aussie cricketers who probably dont see a suicide bombing every day in Sydney or Melbourne.

  • Marcus on February 14, 2008, 10:18 GMT

    As an Australian myself, I think that the team's acting like a bunch of wusses. If it's safe for the Indians, of all people, it should be safe for the Australians, who've never really had a historical beef with Pakistan. And another thing- yes, there are terrorists in Pakistan, but if you allow their threats to interfere with your life, aren't you letting the terrorists win?

  • Frank on February 14, 2008, 10:18 GMT

    Hear, Hear! As an expatriate Australian I could not agree more. If they take the view that it is just about safety, then they are deeming the sport which rewards them so handsomely, in a great many ways, less important than the feeling of being removed entirely from all sense of possible danger. The world has inherently unsafe elements, and by "world" I mean all countries and all facets of society. And while the trip to pakistan might seem to be a risk, the opportunities to further themselves and show the world that a policy of inclusiveness can aid in the regrowth of this place, I think, is much more important (On that note, I have been to Pakistan, and i found it's people to be incredibly warm and kind. What is seen of Pakistan, and many other countries also, in the world media is often flagrantly misleading). However, I present this as my opinion, made from my perspective. Each person would have to make this decision on their own views, and, therefore, never necessarily be wrong.

  • Russell J H on February 14, 2008, 10:18 GMT

    You are completely correct regarding the significance a tour by Australia would do to encourage friendship and understanding between two different countries with two different cultures.

    The only news the media generally reports in Australia (for that matter Europe, UK, North America) about Pakistan is bomb blasts, kidnappings, beheadings, Taliban, assassinations.

    Understand these cricketers have families ! They may not see their role in life as a peace and understanding ambassadors.

    More likely these Australian cricketers have a wife and two or three kids when they go home each night. Its wrong to condemn these cricketers.

    Pakistan might need to explain to the cricketers that no threat to players safety exists or that it is minimal.

    Australian cricketers believe they are at the end of the day playing a game they are not seeking to risk their life. They are simply putting their family first.

  • Salman on February 14, 2008, 10:15 GMT

    Agree with you completely Mr Abassi. Australia were in no hurry to leave Eng when the July 7 bombing took place. So how come they are sooo scared to tour Pakistan.

    If the events of July 7 had taken place in Pakistan, while Australia were here, then Australia would have been running back to their country.

    Its a shame that Australia possess these double standards when it comes to touring. Do they even send a security delegation to england before they tour????

    Cricket Australia should take a stern stance against players not willing to tour and the ICC should place sanctions on countries not willing to tour Pakistan. ICC needs to make Australia aware of their double standards.

    England,SA and Zim have all toured recently and encountered no problems.

    Both England and SA have toured at least twice in the last 8 years. So why can't Aus.

    Double standards

  • Suhaib Abbas on February 14, 2008, 10:08 GMT

    Well I cannot agree more than the comments made by Kamran. The ground realities in Pakistan are very different then to the one's potryed in the world media. Our biggest rival India has come to Pakistan and played Tests in places like Karachi and I tell all the Australians players to ask the Indian team as to how was their security and how well they were treated in Pakistan. We will not accept any excuse from Australia if they cancel the tour to Pakistan because it will not only be a financial loss to PCB but also a sad day for cricket in Pakistan.

  • Hammad on February 14, 2008, 10:02 GMT

    If Pakistan can't save its ex-PM. It is not capable of saving Australian team either. It would be a Sheer dependency on terrorists that Whether they want to Kill Australians or not. Govt of Pakistan have no control whatsoever over it.

    Australian Army is in Afghanistan and is supporting USA and thats a good enough reason for terrorists to harm Australians

    I am a Pakistani and visit Pakistan 3-4 times a year (for total of 20-25 days), and consider my self highly unsafe over there.

    I won't blame Australian team when Majority of Pakistani govt. officials have taken dual Foreign Nationality and they spend their lives abroad after retirement.

  • nasir khan on February 14, 2008, 10:01 GMT

    well i agree with most of the things i said.but religion has got nothing to do with this. anybody with a semblance of understanding of politics wont bring islam into this. terrorism is a universal phenomena nand can strike anywhere. the identity of pakistan is clear and we r not trying to fix islam in the modern world.islam is for all times. so kamran abbasi get a grip of wotever u say.as for the aussies if they can stay in london after the 7/7 they can stay anywhere/its blatant hypocracy on their part

  • Afzaal Khan on February 14, 2008, 9:46 GMT

    Bravo! As Western governments famously state: 'terrorism cannot deter us'. Its time to put their money where their horse is

  • Haseeb-Kuwait on February 14, 2008, 9:44 GMT

    In India there are many bomb blasts as well and Aussies are ready to go to India because they are getting more money from them. If Australia boycotts the tour then Pakistan should also boycott their tour to Australia. ICC should come into action before this matter gets worse.

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  • Haseeb-Kuwait on February 14, 2008, 9:44 GMT

    In India there are many bomb blasts as well and Aussies are ready to go to India because they are getting more money from them. If Australia boycotts the tour then Pakistan should also boycott their tour to Australia. ICC should come into action before this matter gets worse.

  • Afzaal Khan on February 14, 2008, 9:46 GMT

    Bravo! As Western governments famously state: 'terrorism cannot deter us'. Its time to put their money where their horse is

  • nasir khan on February 14, 2008, 10:01 GMT

    well i agree with most of the things i said.but religion has got nothing to do with this. anybody with a semblance of understanding of politics wont bring islam into this. terrorism is a universal phenomena nand can strike anywhere. the identity of pakistan is clear and we r not trying to fix islam in the modern world.islam is for all times. so kamran abbasi get a grip of wotever u say.as for the aussies if they can stay in london after the 7/7 they can stay anywhere/its blatant hypocracy on their part

  • Hammad on February 14, 2008, 10:02 GMT

    If Pakistan can't save its ex-PM. It is not capable of saving Australian team either. It would be a Sheer dependency on terrorists that Whether they want to Kill Australians or not. Govt of Pakistan have no control whatsoever over it.

    Australian Army is in Afghanistan and is supporting USA and thats a good enough reason for terrorists to harm Australians

    I am a Pakistani and visit Pakistan 3-4 times a year (for total of 20-25 days), and consider my self highly unsafe over there.

    I won't blame Australian team when Majority of Pakistani govt. officials have taken dual Foreign Nationality and they spend their lives abroad after retirement.

  • Suhaib Abbas on February 14, 2008, 10:08 GMT

    Well I cannot agree more than the comments made by Kamran. The ground realities in Pakistan are very different then to the one's potryed in the world media. Our biggest rival India has come to Pakistan and played Tests in places like Karachi and I tell all the Australians players to ask the Indian team as to how was their security and how well they were treated in Pakistan. We will not accept any excuse from Australia if they cancel the tour to Pakistan because it will not only be a financial loss to PCB but also a sad day for cricket in Pakistan.

  • Salman on February 14, 2008, 10:15 GMT

    Agree with you completely Mr Abassi. Australia were in no hurry to leave Eng when the July 7 bombing took place. So how come they are sooo scared to tour Pakistan.

    If the events of July 7 had taken place in Pakistan, while Australia were here, then Australia would have been running back to their country.

    Its a shame that Australia possess these double standards when it comes to touring. Do they even send a security delegation to england before they tour????

    Cricket Australia should take a stern stance against players not willing to tour and the ICC should place sanctions on countries not willing to tour Pakistan. ICC needs to make Australia aware of their double standards.

    England,SA and Zim have all toured recently and encountered no problems.

    Both England and SA have toured at least twice in the last 8 years. So why can't Aus.

    Double standards

  • Russell J H on February 14, 2008, 10:18 GMT

    You are completely correct regarding the significance a tour by Australia would do to encourage friendship and understanding between two different countries with two different cultures.

    The only news the media generally reports in Australia (for that matter Europe, UK, North America) about Pakistan is bomb blasts, kidnappings, beheadings, Taliban, assassinations.

    Understand these cricketers have families ! They may not see their role in life as a peace and understanding ambassadors.

    More likely these Australian cricketers have a wife and two or three kids when they go home each night. Its wrong to condemn these cricketers.

    Pakistan might need to explain to the cricketers that no threat to players safety exists or that it is minimal.

    Australian cricketers believe they are at the end of the day playing a game they are not seeking to risk their life. They are simply putting their family first.

  • Frank on February 14, 2008, 10:18 GMT

    Hear, Hear! As an expatriate Australian I could not agree more. If they take the view that it is just about safety, then they are deeming the sport which rewards them so handsomely, in a great many ways, less important than the feeling of being removed entirely from all sense of possible danger. The world has inherently unsafe elements, and by "world" I mean all countries and all facets of society. And while the trip to pakistan might seem to be a risk, the opportunities to further themselves and show the world that a policy of inclusiveness can aid in the regrowth of this place, I think, is much more important (On that note, I have been to Pakistan, and i found it's people to be incredibly warm and kind. What is seen of Pakistan, and many other countries also, in the world media is often flagrantly misleading). However, I present this as my opinion, made from my perspective. Each person would have to make this decision on their own views, and, therefore, never necessarily be wrong.

  • Marcus on February 14, 2008, 10:18 GMT

    As an Australian myself, I think that the team's acting like a bunch of wusses. If it's safe for the Indians, of all people, it should be safe for the Australians, who've never really had a historical beef with Pakistan. And another thing- yes, there are terrorists in Pakistan, but if you allow their threats to interfere with your life, aren't you letting the terrorists win?

  • ABC on February 14, 2008, 10:26 GMT

    I am not sure why are you blaming the Aussies for being bothered about their lives. if you cudnt protect ur ex-PM there is no realistic chance that anybody else can be protected. There are probably more suicide bombers in Pakistan at this moment than people at the universities combined. if a high court is not safe.. how safe can be a hotel or a cricket field.

    It would be a sad day for cricket, but it would be better to put the blame on Mr. Mush and the government rather than Aussie cricketers who probably dont see a suicide bombing every day in Sydney or Melbourne.