India v Sri Lanka, CB Series, Brisbane

India let Thirimanne off the hook

Ashwin had appealed, Thirimanne was not inside his crease, the finger should have gone up immediately. Spirit of cricket should not have been allowed to come in the way of fair cricket

Sidharth Monga at the Gabba

February 21, 2012

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Virender Sehwag withdrew R Ashwin's appeal for a run-out against Lahiru Thirimanne, who was backing up too far at the non-striker's end before the bowler delivered the ball, India v Sri Lanka, CB Series, Brisbane, February 21, 2012
R Ashwin ran Lahiru Thirimanne out for backing up too far, but India had a change of heart © Getty Images
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In the 40th over of the Sri Lankan innings at the Gabba, R Ashwin spotted the non-striker Lahiru Thirimanne was about three feet outside the crease even as his back foot was about to land. Ashwin didn't go through with his delivery, turned around, ran Thirimanne out, and appealed.

For some reason though, the umpire Paul Reiffel didn't rule him out immediately, and went on to consult with the leg umpire, and asked the Indian captain if they indeed wanted to appeal. That, despite the rule changes last year, which clearly state the bowler is "permitted, before releasing the ball and provided he has not completed his usual delivery swing, to attempt to run out the non-striker."

During the time that the umpires consulted, the Indian team had a change of heart, much like they did with the case of Ian Bell at Trent Bridge last year, and withdrew the appeal. It was a classical case of this beast called "spirit of cricket" coming in the way of the laws of cricket. We criticise the ICC for not doing enough to address the lack of balance between bat and ball, but it was defeated by the players themselves in this case.

The rule change last year - allowing the bowler to run a batsman out any time before he has released the ball as opposed to previously when he would have to remove the bails before entering his delivery stride - was one aimed at taking away the unfair advantage the batsmen gained by leaving their crease early. In 1947-48, incidentally in the same country of hard but fair play, when Vinoo Mankad similarly ran Bill Brown out, Mankad found support despite moral posturing.

This particular ruling falls under Law 42, which deals with fair and unfair play. The laws of the game clearly consider unfair the act of batsmen gaining a few feet before the bowler has even delivered. India, by not continuing with the appeal, only abetted unfair play. The "spirit of cricket" also suggests - although this is not written anywhere - that the bowler should warn the batsman once before going ahead with the run-out, which is probably why India withdrew the appeal. Why such charity, though, for a batsman indulging in unfair play?

 
 
Cricket as a sport is full of idiosyncrasies that make it a special sport; this is not one of them. This one clearly puts the bowler, trying to prevent a batsman from unfair play, fight some sort of imaginary guilt before appealing for a run-out
 

Cricket as a sport is full of idiosyncrasies that make it a special sport; this is not one of them. This one clearly puts the bowler, trying to prevent a batsman from unfair play, fight some sort of imaginary guilt before appealing for a run-out. The question "do you really want to do it" comes with a weight, with a suggestion there might be consequences beyond the game in question.

Not that this incident stopped Thirimanne from gaining similar unfair advantage in the rest of the innings. Which is good on him actually. He took note of the warning, stayed in when Ashwin bowled, but kept leaving his crease when lesser-alert bowlers, like R Vinay Kumar and Irfan Pathan, operated. He was aware of the consequences, and he was taking his chances.

There is a school of thought that India actually avoided an incident that could have brought controversy and disrepute to the game. There will be parallels drawn to the Bell run-out that India got reversed during the tea break in Nottingham last year. Opinion was divided back then, but this was clearly more generous from India. You could argue Bell made a genuine, honest mistake back then, but if Thirimanne were to plead innocence here, he would need to come up with a more meaty excuse than the ignorance of Law 42.

Bell was dopey, Thirimanne was trying to gain an unfair advantage. India should have known the difference. Then again, it should never have come down to India. Ashwin had appealed, Thirimanne was not inside his crease, the finger should have gone up immediately. Spirit of cricket should not have been allowed to come in the way of fair cricket.

Edited by Kanishkaa Balachandran

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Posted by   on (February 23, 2012, 7:35 GMT)

ICC does not make an effort to make the new rules available to every one .. m sure that many of us are not aware of the rule changes and so that batsman may have other rule in mind !

Posted by Silver_Angels on (February 22, 2012, 13:49 GMT)

In BASEBALL, a runner can be out by not pitching to the striker, instead to any of the base if he is starting too early. There we dont speak of fair play, its played by the rules. The aim of the rule is, if the batsman take unfair advantage then the bowler has right to run him down. simple.

Posted by   on (February 22, 2012, 11:22 GMT)

Remember something similar happening to Peter Kirsten in 1992/93 during India's first tour of SA. Kapil Dev saw Kirsten leaving his crease as he was about to bowl, and whipped the bails off. Kirsten was given out and had to go, shaking his head all the way, but Kapil was indignant and adamant that it was the right decision, after warning Kirsten about it earlier in the game and the series.

Posted by screamingeagle on (February 22, 2012, 11:13 GMT)

Guys, dont go after the SL fans, they have every right to be happy and be negative towards India. They do know that they are pretty useless as a team and the occasional victories like this one needs to be cherished. Please let them have their say :P

Posted by   on (February 22, 2012, 10:50 GMT)

@Jamessmithee He has not reached the next crease as you said. Still its like if a bowler bowls an inch over the line its going to be no ball and if a batsman doesnt reach his crease by an inch even before the bails taken out is out.. Bowler need not to keep his 2 legs away from the crease to be called no ball or Batsman need to be at other end to be called run out.

Posted by Simoc on (February 22, 2012, 9:56 GMT)

Once again poor umpiring from Paul Reiffel. It was out, there is no need for a warning. The batsman is always intentionally cheating. Even half wit fast bowlers know that. They're playing on the media but it will change.

Posted by   on (February 22, 2012, 9:48 GMT)

Thirimanna should have been given out, no doubts about it. But when you have to read an indian cricket writer moan about something like this after a game which india lost comprehensively, it becomes rather cheap. I know you are writing to your majority indian following, but don't make it that obvious please.

Posted by JamesSmithee on (February 22, 2012, 9:32 GMT)

Can anyone answer this question ? Most of the Indian saying Thirumannee tried to get unfair advantage. Did he run or did he walk towards the other side of the wicket ? That's the funny part Indians can't see

Posted by nyc_missile on (February 22, 2012, 9:29 GMT)

So this bunch of generous Ind cricketers are not just satisfied giving nightmares to fans with their utterly pathetic performances on what is now the WORST overseas tour by any team ever but also are trying to sell the team interests for the sake of a few brownie 'spirit' points.Well,spirit can rest in toilet,so shut up and bounce,show some spine fellas! Enough humiliation already,cant swallow more..

Posted by CandidIndian on (February 22, 2012, 8:18 GMT)

wjkalana-Not a single word of your comment is related to topic, as usual you are just expressing your extreme hatred towards India.I will state the reason why you hate India,look at the stats for last 5 years, between India and SL, in SL India has won 10 ODIs and SL 7, In India ,India has won 6 lost 2, outside subcontinent India has won 9 ,SL 5.So look at the stats of last 5 yrs , 10 yrs or overall, India has always been ahead of SL.Being Flat track bullies, India has won test series in Eng, and drawn series at Aus, even in SA where you guys lost recently.SL has not won series in Eng, SA,NZ , over that they have not won a single test in India and Aus.Going by stats which are hardcore facts , if we are flat-track bullies , what are you guys who have even worse record away from home.Yes we were whitewashed but Eng and Aus did that, not SL,its funny that you gloat about that , knowing that your record is even worse.

Posted by   on (February 22, 2012, 7:30 GMT)

Joseph Ward, Just to update.... that was the 'old' rule. New rule is that the bowler can run the non-striker out 'anytime' durung the delivery.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (February 22, 2012, 6:07 GMT)

@Sunil Jayawardana He is blamed because of the constant abuse even after indians withdrew the appeal.Wasn't that a warning itself? @Lekamge If you read most of the comments from INDIAN fans you wouldn't find them giving excuses which many of my SL friends seem to think . Just read out. This would have had no effect on the game but it is about the repeated abuse that your player had been doing that stirred this discussion.

Posted by Yasindu on (February 22, 2012, 5:55 GMT)

Thirimanne still young player. He played only 8 matches before this one. After the message from the dressing room he done only once.So give him a chance to learn. I'm not telling Thirimanne done the right thing. He has to learn from it to play fair cricket. And important thing in the match before this incident was happen we can't see at any stage ashwin or umpires warned him.

Posted by jezzabo on (February 22, 2012, 5:12 GMT)

In all other instances, a batsman leaving his crease is able to be run out or stumped. What's to stop the non-striker moving even further down the wicket before the ball is bowled. He is putting himself at risk of being dismissed, the same way as any batsman who takes on the fielder's throw, hits the ball in the air or steps away from his stumps to take a fuller swing at a straight ball. The laws draw a line on all these forms of dismissal, - run out, caught and bowled respectivelt - and there is a line for this one - the crease. Continue to pussy-foot around this issue and you might as well also make stumpings negotiable. The non-striker isn't trying to gain an unfair advantage by backing up, he's trying to gain an advantage, and he should know that if he fails to make good that attempt, he's out. Reiffel should have given him out and let the ICC argue the merits at their meetings, not the players in the middle of an innings.

Posted by Badgerofdoom on (February 22, 2012, 4:08 GMT)

After the run out that wasn't Thirimanne, rather cynically, did it again several times, gaining an unfair advantage. The Indian bowlers really should have run him out then according to both the letter and spirit of the law, as he was clearly taking advantage of the situation. India's generosity is to be applauded but they also need to wise up when an opponent is clearly taking advantage.

Posted by satish619chandar on (February 22, 2012, 3:40 GMT)

BTW, we still consider a accidental flicking of ball on the bowler's leg and getting the nonstriker runout as good in terms of spirit of cricket where the bowler never had any intention of running out the batsman.. Unless the bowler had intention to runout the batsman, he shouldn't be out.. It s just plainly lucky wicket.. Why not scrap that silly rule? Since it is done many times and no one made any offer to reverse the appeal, it is now a clean rule??

Posted by satish619chandar on (February 22, 2012, 3:38 GMT)

What is this warning thing? The warning thing was effective only when the rule was not official.. That time, the bowler should warn the batsman.. now the rules are clear and there is absolutely no necessity to warn the batsman before taking the bails off.. Thirimanne just wandered repeatedly and Vinay stopped his runup due to that once.. The reversal of appeal made Vinay not to take the bails off but stop his runup.. Really bad on the rules.. Please ICC.. Just scrap the rule.. If someone else gets a wicket in this manner, he ll be branded as cheat in future.. Why to allow it..

Posted by JamesSmithee on (February 22, 2012, 3:38 GMT)

All the ethics can't be written in the book. Your brain has to used to chose what is right and what is wrong If the ball hit your bat while you running, you can run for additional runs. It is granted by the rule. But no one (I don't know about Indians) taking those runs. Also I have seen , some time batmen throw the ball to the fielder if ball is far away from fielder. According to rule that is also out. But except some donkeys no one saying those are out. Those are not cricket. This rule was to prevent the non striker running before ball get delivered. But it is not ethical to run out a walking non striker. If some one trying to take advantage from something that what people needed to talk.

Posted by   on (February 22, 2012, 3:23 GMT)

When the ICC has deemed Mankading to be legal, why should the umpires bring in the "spirit of cricket" argument and complicate matters? The batsman at the non-striker's end getting a headstart is as much against the "spirit of cricket" as Mankading is. When the rules of the game have been set, play by it. The umpires should enforce the rules rather than seek to confuse players whose primary job is to play...not engage in a career in diplomacy.

Posted by NonStriker on (February 22, 2012, 3:19 GMT)

To me, the "spirit of cricket" is about not claiming catches you have grounded, acceopting the fieldsman word that he has taken a catch, and walking when you have edged a catch to the keeper. Fat chance.

Really, a Mankad is either a legal dismissal (which it is) and we should just accept that or the laws should be changed so that any runs accrued are ruled "one short". Either way, I do not see why you shouldn't be allowed to run out a batsman who is taking a run.

So... the number one "spirit" of the game should be to respect the laws of the game.mankad is out, batsman leaves the ground.

Posted by Ben1989 on (February 22, 2012, 2:46 GMT)

@ Facebooker (February 22 2012, 00:14 AM GMT), maybe you should re-read the article mate.... it clearly states that use to be the rule, it has now changed, refer 4th paragraph..... "The rule changed last year - allowing the bowler to run a batsman out any time before he has released the ball, as opposed to previously when he would have to remove the bails before entering his delivery stride"

Posted by   on (February 22, 2012, 2:12 GMT)

I'm with @whyowhy. The last paragraph captures the issues well. "The spirit of cricket" is being given some perverse interpretations these days. The history books might soon start suggesting that Bradman should have been given a second chance at The Oval in 1948.

Posted by yasir542 on (February 22, 2012, 1:54 GMT)

I dont agree with u Mr Monga........Any one who has a played little bit of professional cricket knows that bowlers always give warning to batsman and to umpire as well before running them out like this.......i dont think highly of Paul as a gud umpire but the way he handled the whole situation was impressive

Posted by   on (February 22, 2012, 0:14 GMT)

He has to do it before entering his delivery stride and his back foot had landed anyway.

Posted by vaidyar on (February 21, 2012, 23:42 GMT)

@Bombercol: That's the whole point of this article. Maybe teams should stop acting like cry babies and stop making nasty incidents when their batsmen get Mankaded. Maybe it's the guilt of being caught out and playing against the 'spirit of cricket' by backing up too much that makes teams act the victim? I just can't understand why they make a hue and cry when they are caught handling a ball still in play or backing up far too much. For the record, I stand by Hair for making Pakistan forfeit that test. 'Spirit of cricket' is not something you use as a bargain against bad relations between the teams.

Posted by dnmrao on (February 21, 2012, 23:38 GMT)

Why should umpires consult the captain? Is it not their job to go by rule book when Ashwin appealed? Whether it is gentleman's game or not if it is in the rule book, they should have given him out.

Posted by whyowhy on (February 21, 2012, 23:28 GMT)

Sid, absolutely spot on, your last paragraph says it all, Reiffel was displaying ignorance and should be suspended for a few matches (for wasting time to consult Billy) after all Dhoni was punished for the same reason.....Thirimanne and Mahela should be awarded the Spirit of Cricket awards for 2012.......in advance, along with a cloth to keep polishing the trophy - I have to quote an old cliche "There are none so blind as those who will not see". Viru if I ever meet you in person I will shake your hand for a full minute....you have shown your class and this time without a bat in your hand.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 23:13 GMT)

Winning is everything. If it is not for winning why play at all? In competitive sport , winning is all it matters. To play with in the rules of the game is necessary. Mankading is perfectly with in laws..and if anything it is the batsman who is resorting to Unfairplay. To steal advantage for every ball, simply put, it is NOT just cricket!! Indians are never known for ruthlessness on the field...Micheal clarke ran extra runs off a ball which was deflected off his bat/body when fielders try to run him out in the recently concluded Test series... Apart from Ian bell incident, what readily comes to mind is ..Gundappa Vishwanath calling back English batsman BobTaylor , who goes on score an unbeaten century and win the game for England!! Gamesmanship is entirely different from being ruthless and thus have that killer's instinct to win matches. Unfortunately for us Team India has very few of the individuals with Killer instinct to see us through the tight matches.. Sad but true..

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 23:11 GMT)

It still irks me, 25 years later, that Walsh declined to run out Salim Jaffer in the 1987 WC, costing the West Indies a semi-final berth (and quite possibly, the WC itself, given the middling strength of who WI would have had to face in the SF and Finals).

Rules are rules. 'Spirit of cricket' can apply if letting a cricketer complete a rare milestone (as Gooch allowed Chetan Sharma to complete a rare century), but Walsh failing to run out Salim Jaffer was just unwise.

Posted by akxyz on (February 21, 2012, 23:00 GMT)

"If a particular rule is against the spirit of cricket then that rule should be changed. If a rule is there it should be assumed that it is in the spirit of the game and should be followed." "If an international cricketer does not know that he can be given out if he leaves the crease early then he should not play at all. It is he who is playing against the spirit of the game by stealing a run that he normally cannot take."

Posted by kalyanbk on (February 21, 2012, 21:53 GMT)

While I am a major fan of playing according to the spirit of the game as opposed to only laws, I feel that this idiosyncrasy only serves to let batsmen become careless about backing up the right way. This spirit may have made sense in the old days of test cricket when scoring rates and stolen singles may not have made much of a difference but today in limited overs cricket, there is an unfair advantage to batsmen. I would like to see more Mankading and I would also like to see what happens if it is an Indian batsman who is Mankaded (Tendulkar especially).

Posted by bombercol on (February 21, 2012, 21:25 GMT)

I don't agree with this article. I am an accredited umpire and the spirit of the game is of utmost importance. "Mankadding" is now back in the rules, but really it is a very controversial way to get a batsman out. Umpire Reiffel needs to be applauded for the way it was handled. A dismissal such as this could have turned this game into a spiteful and nasty affair between the two teams. Remember Darryl Hair? He went by the rules to the letter, forfeited Pakistan in a test match for failing to return to the field, but it made the situation turn into turmoil and madness, he got criticised by all and sundry and then lost his job as a number of teams then refused to have him as an umpire in any future games. If he'd acted in the spirit of the game it would have very different. In this case Sehwag could have gone through with it and the batsman given out, and if it got nasty on or off the field, what repercussions would Sehwag now be facing?

Posted by bigdhonifan on (February 21, 2012, 20:50 GMT)

Under Law 42.15 of the Laws of Cricket it remains possible for a bowler to run out a non-striker who has strayed outside his crease after he has started his run up, but before he has entered his delivery stride. [Appendix D of the 2000 Code defines delivery stride as the stride during which the delivery swing is made; it starts when the bowler's back foot lands for that stride and ends when the front foot lands in the same stride.]

Posted by SLCric-DHFan on (February 21, 2012, 20:49 GMT)

Here we go Mr.Monga.. yes it is hurt.. loosing is bitter.. But you shouldn't show your emotions here in public.. Because you're a professional.. aren't you.. I agreed that Thirimanne misused the opportunity. What he done even after the incident was bad.. really bad..But, don't try to make big issue out of this.. He is still new to this Level.. And He must have been learnt lesson there.. And Mr.Monga pls don't try to be another ravi shaasthri. We love your writing.. Don't do this again.. pls...

Posted by vaidyar on (February 21, 2012, 20:27 GMT)

Match ref should probably have a word with the umps. What exactly where they doing? If there's an appeal you decide if it's out or not. Your job is to implement the rules, not moral posturing. 'Spirit of cricket' is for the players to uphold in whatever gassy form it exists, not something for umpires to enforce. The Ian Bell controversy is a good example. The umpires gave their decisions after consulting the 3rd ump. The call back happened behind the scenes. Even there they were willing to bend rules to call back a batsman who had left the ground, but it was the captain deciding it, not umpires acting all righteous and moral about it.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 19:32 GMT)

@jweerasinghe... what risk is he taking if he cannot be given out for backing up so long?

Posted by Nampally on (February 21, 2012, 19:19 GMT)

Good for Ashwin that he was alert enough to runout Thirimanne within the rules of the game & shame on Umpire Reiffel for giving the batsman Not Out!. I fully agree that the Umpire's index should have gone up without any hesitation. When Umpires make mistakes, why are they allowed to get away with it. When Dhoni was slow with the over rate he was fined & suspended for one game. What action is being taken against umpire Reiffel. Had the appeal been allowed - which should have, SL total would have fallen short of 250 and India may have won the game. The end result was that India had to chase a SL total about 50 runs higher than what it should have been if the Umpire did his job properly. Clearly Umpire misinterpretted the rule, which cost India the match! When Jayawardane called to play the rule ruthlessly, Thirimanne shouldhave given OUT ruthlessly - Right? The match should be annulled and the points shared or game replayed. That is the only right solution.

Posted by manubiji on (February 21, 2012, 19:18 GMT)

Really? If the batsman steps out of the crease, he can be stumped. So it's a risk, not an unfair advantage. If the non striker steps out with no consequences, it is an unfair advantage.

Posted by crickeyt on (February 21, 2012, 19:05 GMT)

@Balumekka: the batsman may come down the track, but if the wicketkeeper finds him outside, he will be stumped out and no issues will be raised about fair play. Similarly, Thirimanne leaving the crease is fine, but if someone runs him out, then it is not unfair either. SL had already run away with the game by then, so it was easy for India to appear charitable. Not sure they would have done the same in a crunch situation. But regardless of the situation, Sid Monga raises a valid point: the umpire's job is to interpret the laws of cricket, not subvert them to uphold an imaginary spirit of cricket.

Posted by venman on (February 21, 2012, 19:01 GMT)

@Balumekka please think before you post a comment. When a batsman steps out and misses the ball, wk does not give him a warning, he stumps him. When a batsman reverse sweeps, fielder does not give him a warning, he catches the ball. When a batsman steps out of the crease before the ball is bowled, he is trying to get an advantage similar to to the cases you mentioned, where is he taking advantage of length by stepping out or field placement by reverse sweeping. He will have to pay the price for the risk he takes.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 18:52 GMT)

so Monga bats for India as well?

Posted by wjkalana on (February 21, 2012, 18:48 GMT)

@MikeRocksAlways I dont give a damn about SLPL in fact its one of the best thing happened to SL cricket. I thank indian bord for that. Look IPL has done to u r cricket. Theirs no new batsmen in u r team who can build a proper test innings. When players earn millions of dolleres even before come in to international cricket theirs no motivation for him to come and represent the country. Where as in other countries players perform well just to get a IPL contract so he can earl money. So they perform well to get noticed. In 2008 india is not the world champions, they had sachin who was a much better batsmen those days than now and they had a better team for seaming conditions SL was just sitting ducks those days, but now tables have changed, SL made a new ground with seaming pitches (only for practice) and now indians are sitting ducks on seaming wickets. So thats why I said they are home champions not world champions.

Posted by Khiladiyon_ka_khiladi on (February 21, 2012, 18:44 GMT)

If there is rule that a bowler have right to out batsman like this then this is not a fair play.. its fool play

If you guys saw this match Lahiru was doing it again and again. So when Batsmen slips while taking run then you can show your heart because its always sad demise of batsman

Lahiru was cheating actually as its gives him advantage to take run quickly So cheaters must be punished and ICC and umpire must rule him out if batsman do like that such as they do with bowler if he runs on track or delivers too many beamers

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 18:31 GMT)

@Felix Sebastian You are right and I apologize for bringing it up. To be fair it wasn't my own opinion, the Sky cricket commentators were saying that Ashwin wasn't allowed to do that under the law and the umpires were unaware of the law. But you are right, Ashwin was within his rights to do so. Thirimanne is just a young player and as Wasim Akram pointed out, he looks a bit lost as to what's happening on the middle. So I am sure he would learn from this and not do the same in the future..hopefully.

Posted by maksuperb on (February 21, 2012, 18:26 GMT)

At the end of the day we should be at the point of Spirit of Game..... And thats what we have to see, if we want to spread our game to entire earth.....!!!

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 18:06 GMT)

Why to blame Thirimanne for the incident. The blame should go to Umpires and Shewag and Tendulkar. If thirimanne was out as per the existing law and if Indian appeals, umpire should give him out.

Thrimmane never appealed to reverse the appeal of Ashwin. It was shewag who reversed the appeal on the request of umpire. Why any one want to blame thirimanne for that.

Posted by Rahulbose on (February 21, 2012, 17:47 GMT)

The Indian team is a scared lot. Too concerned about what the media will write the next day, both Bell and Thirimanne were out and Indians should have stuck to their guns. Srl is the same side that pulled a fast one on Dhoni during the toss in the WC final, and has Sehwag forgotten the no-ball bowled to deny him a century?

Posted by TwitterJitter on (February 21, 2012, 17:06 GMT)

Without bringing nations and teams into this argument where everyone becomes subjective, I absolutely agree with the argument here. Bell's case is different from this one. He was thinking the play was over and was trying to walk back where as in this case the runner was trying to take advantage over fielding side by stepping out. When your intent is gaining something over opposition by doing thing that you could be out for then he should pay the penalty for attempting it. I also agree with one of the comment here. Why is ICC making the rule if it is deemed against the spirit of the game? Can a runner run half way down the pitch or whatever and expect the bowler to ignore when the intent of the runner is to score one over the opposition? Why does a bowler need to warn someone intentionally trying to score a run? By not bringing nations and teams in to it if you objectively ask this answer you will get the answer. My argument is not that it would change the outcome of game here at all.

Posted by dan_loves_cricket on (February 21, 2012, 16:59 GMT)

@ nav84: ha ha u just can't bare the fact that lankans won over india.and in the current context of the game lankans would win 8 times out of 10 over this indian side...I know it's hard for u to swallow!!!!!!!!! cheers mate.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 16:43 GMT)

When the Rules are clear ,Cricket needs to be more of a Sport than a Tea Party.

He was not within the Crease = OUT

Team India: You don't need to be so "Nice" if the opponent makes a mistake, you jump on it. The Spirit of Cricket is Winning and Competing. This isn't the little leagues.

I see where Shewag's head was on this and I'm just disappointed that the Umps put him in that spot.

Posted by Balumekka on (February 21, 2012, 16:42 GMT)

Come on Sidharth Monga.... " trying to prevent a batsman from unfair play" Why the striker is allowed to come down the tract then? Why the batsman are allowed to play reverse sweep pr switch hit? Sehwag and Sachin really showed that they are gentleman in this game. Let that be, do not make a big issue out of this!

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 16:28 GMT)

Thirimanne only added 19 runs after that. Kohli and Raina scored 60 runs after being dropped 3 times.. anyway even if India got that wicket they'll still lose..they lost almost by a bonus point

Posted by ansram on (February 21, 2012, 16:14 GMT)

@jweerasinghe - They are not in the same league. The batsman on strike can be stumped if he caught outside the crease, This type of run out can be considered the equivalent of "stumping" by the bowler. I agree with the suggestion that the batting side must be penalized with a few runs and those runs must be deducted from the non striker. This will force the batting side to be careful and also avoid any guilt or spirit of the game to interfere needlessly. India is a chicken hearted team, and this also reflected in the kind of fights they put up recently.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 16:13 GMT)

the legacy of the little master is killing us... tendulkar take a break , prove yourself in ranjis and comeback....

Posted by Lekamge on (February 21, 2012, 16:00 GMT)

Is this the best excuse you can come up with sir? Indians were clearly outplayed during the whole contest. We even dropped THREE catches. You couldn't capitalize on that.

WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T APPRECIATE WHAT SHEWAG DID. BUT WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT IT'S VERY CHEAP TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT LIKE THIS.

This writer goes on to say that spirit of the game interferes with the laws of the game again in another article. The writer clearly don't seem to understand what those three simple words mean. Spirit of the game should be clearly held above the laws of the game. That's why it is the spirit of the game.

What my simple point here is that you are undermining the gracious on field act of your cricketers, sir.

And some are whining about Randiv's no ball. We have never stated that it's OK. It was bad. And if this incident happened today it would be bad. And even Shewag didn't complain.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 15:52 GMT)

I honestly think Bell's case was worse. He acted too smart IMO and India played to the gallery. Which Idiot would decide to just walk midway of the pitch and conclude himself that session is over? That's idiotic and I can't fathom why that appeal was withdrawn!!

Posted by dr.jha on (February 21, 2012, 15:32 GMT)

its a sport... should be played like one...simple.. well done india... thiru ! don back up too far... and that incident wasn't the reason y india lost... although i'd love to put that lankan offie's no ball to sehwag incident here... that wasnt cool... in the end .. both parties should remember that its a game.. simple as that

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 15:30 GMT)

well Done lions,SL players know how to act with Spirit of cricket than most of indian players,,

Posted by Mahaanama on (February 21, 2012, 15:30 GMT)

@ TaniaM : why do you forget that SL chased down 300+ & won last 2 ODIs in SA? @some Indian fans here: India withdrew that appeal because they already knew that India were going to lose. As Indians are genius for finding excuses they might have thought that run out incident was the best opportunity to making excuses. Even Thirimanne was given out that time SL could have easily put 275+ & SL would definitely win & India would have nothing left. But India got the benefit by withdrawing the appeal as now they have at least an excuse.

Posted by wjkalana on (February 21, 2012, 15:26 GMT)

@MikeRocksAlways Well India did beat SL in SL in 2008, and 2009. And we all know why is that so stop this nonsense, It was due to a problem with the ground and team batting under lights had a great disadvantage on that ground so Dhoni batted 1st 3 times and won it and MJ won the toss 1 time and he won that game. And then SL cricket lift the ground by 8 inches before the WC ad now you can see the result. Now chasing team and team batting first have the same advantage. So ask team India to come there now and see the result. India has never beates SL in a bilateral series before 2008 but after this incident they beat us but if we do a rematch again you will see the result.SL cricket identify its weakness of not able to play on bouncy tracks so they build a ground for it to team to practice so now you can see the result of it. Check u r status check the status since the last decade as SL came to the world stage after 1996 WC win. in 70s and 80s SL is like the bangladesh team.

Posted by sheikhhasan on (February 21, 2012, 15:22 GMT)

So what is the latest rule regarding Mankund? Did ESPN editor got the rule wrong??? or the Star Sports commentators got it wrong???? Can some one confirm please.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 15:16 GMT)

@ nav84, "this is the first time in last 2 decades SL has managed to beat India in either of Eng, Aus, SA or NZ. " ........................ OMG, Seriously? So is this the Knowledge of indian fans? fair enough, my advice for cricinfo is if someone made a stupid/wrong comment like this he should be banned from commenting, LOl

Posted by wjkalana on (February 21, 2012, 15:16 GMT)

@nav84 he he its funny to see u r comment, Anyway let me take you back a little bit, SL and India have only met in those countries u have mentioned only in handful of times. All those times SL was not the best team to play on bouncy tracks we had that weakness so SL cricket address that issue by building a new ground with bouncy tracks so the team can practice and now you can see the result. So accept the weakness and rectify it rather than boasting the team india. Look at how batsmen got out during the last two games I thought Kholi is better on playing short stuff but he is in the same boat and lucky for him our fielders drop him 2 times. last time SL met india in WI if I remember correct it was the sadest day for india cricket, sending out of india from 2007 WC. I woud say in gangully period india had a good team and they perform well in overseas but current teams overseas performance well why should I say record speaks for it self.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 15:14 GMT)

There is no doubt that what Thirimanna did is wrong, but as discussed in many times and places, why not he was given a warning once before a bowler wants to out him in that passion. Everyone can argue in many ways and probably there is not an option everyone agrees. However, I am fan of the idea that a batsman is given a warning once and then if still the batsman does the same thing, then he will be out.

Posted by truthhh on (February 21, 2012, 15:07 GMT)

Virat Kohli GOT TWO EXTA CHANCES TO STAY AT WICKET,by gettin that free chances u indians could not win that game...do not make silly arguments that srilanka was able t win that match bez of that Thirimanne;s run out is not given by umpire!!..g t india and play cricket then you can win matches,like that in world cup:P

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 15:04 GMT)

@Hitender. Yes, you are right. I think Tendulkar knows that as soon as he will reach the milestone, he will find no space for himself in the side nor will he find cricket crazy people of India by his side. Because Indian people are now dying to see him achieving this milestone and as soon as he does that, Indian people will lose interest in Tendulkar. And the little master knows that very well and for this reason, he is not running after the century of centuries. He wants to play cricket for few more years and Indian people will not let him stop playing till he achieves that medal of honour for them.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 15:04 GMT)

All players (both seniors and juniors) are playing similarly. No fighting spirit at all. Total lack of technique to suit Australian pitches. Not trying to stand at the crease for long. Players like Kohli, Gambhir, Rohit etc.. can stand but they are also trying to hit and run. Sachin's failure is disheartening. Any how, try the following team for the next match. Sachin, Gambhir, Rahane, Kohli, Manoj Tiwari, Rohit Sharma, Dhoni, Ashwin, Zaheer Khan, Irfan Pathan and Vinay Kumar. Rest Sehwag, Raina, Umesh, Jadeja etc... But, don't expect miracles.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 15:01 GMT)

Sachin is real fullist this time...last time in england also dhoni did same foolishness in bringing back Ian Bell n this time sachin n sehwag...which cost us the match...everything is fair in sports...this is not sportsmanship...you are here to win the hearts of australians...win the match...you are paid cricketers...you are not playing any honorary n no one play if it is honorary...play professionally...

Posted by ian_ghose on (February 21, 2012, 14:59 GMT)

Who thinks no such rantful article would have come out had an Indian batsman been run out in such a manner and then recalled? Chances are, the author would have written tongue-in-cheek about the 'sporty' nature of the opposition. There however, would have been an even bigger rant (or whine - take your pick) if an Indian player been given out in this manner. I'd like to be proved wrong.

Posted by seantells on (February 21, 2012, 14:54 GMT)

ahswin was a disgrace , nice to see why they call sachin a little master

Posted by AjaySridharan on (February 21, 2012, 14:47 GMT)

I like the suggestion of one of the readers that the batting team should be docked 5 runs for trying to back up while the bowler is in his delivery stride. Dock that a couple of times, and the batting team would fall in place

Posted by jweerasinghe on (February 21, 2012, 14:40 GMT)

Please fans, before commenting understand the rules first.Some are commenting that non striker gets an unfair advantage by taking few steps.What about the striking batsman taking few steps forward .That also gives him unfair advantage.Both are taking a risk.I think that evens out. you can not change rules for silly things like that.

Posted by SeamingWicket on (February 21, 2012, 14:35 GMT)

Geoff Boycott once said 'When you want to complain about something, make sure you do it when you are winning, otherwise it looks like sour grapes' For those whining about Thirimanne. Look at the situation like this. How many times was Kohli dropped by lankan fielders? I think it more than cancels out. Same with last game. Complaining About 5 ball over? What if SL had got a wicket with that 6th ball? And dont forget 2 plumb lbws of Gambhir which were not given. So it more than cancelled out there too.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 14:34 GMT)

I know cricket info and admin does not host these comments. Sachin and Shewag should be sacked. reckless shot of shewag under the pretext of want to play natural game is not just. Sachin refelexes and eyesight is gone. cannot judge swing and pace. earlier can understand austrilians had pace. but against sri laknkan. this is not acceptable. i dont want to live of past glories. get the record out. how many times india has won when sachin had score 50 or more. forget 100. and take the number of matches played.

Posted by Lord.emsworth on (February 21, 2012, 14:30 GMT)

under Law 42.15 of the Laws of Cricket it remains possible for a bowler to run out a non-striker who has strayed outside his crease after he has started his run up, but before he has entered his delivery stride. I didnt see the match myself but if Thirmanne was out according to this rule then he was indeed out. However Tendulkar had the right to grant a reprieve as these kind of run-outs are just not 'cricket'. He is a really a 'little big man' is Mr. Tendulkar...A rare breed!

Posted by Philip_Gnana on (February 21, 2012, 14:30 GMT)

Batsmen should not be allowed to have the cake and eat it too. This is unfair advantage as the writer points out. In ODI every centimetre counts and this should not be allowed. It is a distraction to the bowler too. SL should apologise to India and let it be known to the rest of the team that it is not cricket. The Law is already lopsided in favouring the batsmen. Let the bowler be given a fair chance. A pity though that Mathews did not get more time to bat as he deserves more time to bat to get a 100 which no one will deprive him of that privilege. India need to get Dravid back and also let VVS playing in the ODI. That will complete the Dad's army. Philip Gnana, Surrey

Posted by Advanced_Donkeys on (February 21, 2012, 14:19 GMT)

Mr TEndulkar, You will never get that mighty 100. We are fed up watching you now.please,,please..god sake RETIRE please!!!!!

Posted by JamesSmithee on (February 21, 2012, 14:13 GMT)

Lahiru Thirimannee is legally wrong. But he is not the only one run like this. We see players doing this. If we watch any match we can see considerable (at least 3,4 times) amount of times, players leave the crease in this manner. But finally India has found some thing interesting.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 14:11 GMT)

first of all Congrats SriLanka for this win..being an Indian fan,I will root for SriLanka being an Asian country rather than Australia to win the CB series if my team fails to reach the finals which is looking difficult now and I think most of Indians will support SriLanka only and nt Australia in tht case..so fans get out of ur team's loyalities and stop this hatred among the Ind-SL fans...irrespective of today's defeat,India might have to win the next two games to reach the finals..If Aus win the next Aus vs SL game in hobart,Aus reach finals while Ind and SriLanka will have to fight it out to seal semifinal berth..howevr if SriLanka win tht game,then any of 3 teams can reach the finals...but to reach finals frm hereon is difficult for India..my lineup for the Sydney onedayer keeping in view Jadeja's poor form wid bat : Gambhir,Sachin/Sehwag/Rohit(one out of these 3 i would opt Rohit),Virat,Tiwari,Dhoni,Raina,Irfan,Ashwin,Rahul,Vinay/Praveen,Zaheer

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 14:06 GMT)

Srilanka team is getting better and better.srilanka betted well against bounce ball specially thirimanne sent that ball to boundary at the same time srilankan bowlers took the indian wickets by using this bounce ball.so well done srilanka go go go

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 13:58 GMT)

@GDarshana.. that rule was changed last october.... get updated...

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 13:55 GMT)

My rule would be this - Say if a bowler points out to the umpire showing the batsman is out of crease, then rule should be to deduct 5 runs from the batting's team's score. This would not bring in the spirit of cricket immediately into picture because giving an out in such circumstances would be more harsh on the batting team and it might result in fights between teams. So, my take is - if a bowler shows the umpire that batsman is out of crease even before he starts the bowling action, then batting team's score should be deducted 5 runs.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 13:53 GMT)

I completly agree with what "Sridevan Srikanthan" is saying, shewag is not in form for a long time. He did scored 219 in a match I agree but how long can u tell this and keep him in the team? Opening pair plays a vital role in each game then how can you let shewag open the innings? He is very inconsistent too, if a bowler throws a delivery outside the off stump or short pitch or a bouncer to shewag then he will lose his wicket. Especially his overseas average is very poor that we all know. Now, he is leading the team also. oh my god! If it happens often in our team then we will be washed out often as 4-0. The(INDIAN) selectors should answer this question. So, performance is applicable only to youngsters not for senior players! Huh!

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 13:43 GMT)

Have a heart sidharth , its not out , so before writing an article in anger consult rules first and then watch the video that " is ashwin landed his backfoot on the pitch and started swing his arms for a usual delivery"

Posted by Kays789 on (February 21, 2012, 13:42 GMT)

thirimanne was clearly let off the hook. that was out and what was even more perplexing was that he kept doing it even after that. lets just hope as a new comer his head wasnt screwed on properly in that moment and that someone in the team would take the time to tell him so to prevent it from happening again.

Posted by Herath-UK on (February 21, 2012, 13:42 GMT)

Mr Monga you are wrong here (as is the case of two umpires and the Indian team) according to Sky commentators with Charlie,Ian and Mark Butcher.The law is changed so that when a bowler has taken the bowling stride,he cannot stop and he has to bowl his delivery.Ashwin was on his bowling stride clearly so he cannot stop and break Thrimanne's wicket.I think Thrimanne seems to be the wise man here who can interpret the new law right well.Had it been given out the umpires would have been in the hot water. Ranil Herath -Kent

Posted by Danufur on (February 21, 2012, 13:37 GMT)

CHEERS TO INDIA FOR UPHOLDING THE SPIRIT OF THE GAME!

Posted by akxyz on (February 21, 2012, 13:35 GMT)

By the same logic, batsmen should be warned at least once, before awarding a "stumping" decision to the fielding team.

Posted by REVANTH-criclover on (February 21, 2012, 13:35 GMT)

Nothing wrong with sachin n viru's decision to revoke the run out appeal made by ashwin...its just that,though no rule dictates it,ashwin shud've warned thirimanne at least once before clipping the bails off n appealing....but once the appeal has been made,the umpires shud be decisive....asking the fielding team captain whether or not they want to reconsider brings this whole "spirit of the game" into the picture. All I have got to say is this-the rules have been changed for a reason...so try abiding by them....the "spirit" shud not come in the way of the game...it shud uphold the very game itself...

Posted by neerajprasher on (February 21, 2012, 13:30 GMT)

my team for next games- gambhir sachin sehwag kohli tiwary sharma dhoni pathan ashwin zaheer vinay

Posted by Mfalme on (February 21, 2012, 13:27 GMT)

Eureka! Eureka! If a bowler steps over the line, meaning undue advantage, he is No Bowled. The batting team gets a bonus run and the 'extra' delivery. Similarly, taking an undue advantage for a run should be dictated by cricketing law similar to no bowl. In fact currently it is worse than No Bowl because it distracts the bowlers in his delivery stride. Therefore, suggestion is to for instance deducting a run from the batting side even if no run is scored off the particular delivery. I think such situations should be dictated by cricketing law and enforced by umpires. Of course it my be an added burden/responsibility on the umpires. But it will ensure fair play. What Thirimanne did was IMHO is atrocious particularly repeating it. Captain and coach should take it seriously. I am an admirer of SL team but will not tolerate such behaviour. Cricinfo, as usual hope you will not publish this so that we can't know other readers views on the suggestion.

Posted by Sinhaya on (February 21, 2012, 13:22 GMT)

@bruisers, if Thirimanne was given out, Angelo would have had more time to score 25 or 30 more runs! You Indians refused UDRS and Gambhir got away from 2 plumb LBW appeals in the Adelaide game. Sri Lanka should have won the Adelaide game if UDRS was used.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 13:18 GMT)

India win or loose plyed the right thing I salute you for fairplay. bravo shewag.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 13:13 GMT)

Time for a batting team no-ball... if batsman doesn't have any part of his body or bat within the crease, any runs scored should be docked! but umpire will have hell lot of work to do then!

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 13:12 GMT)

Mr siddarth, it was not out as Ashwin landed his both feet on the crease to deliver the ball, so its not out. Read the rules first, clearly mentioned in ICC rules ammended in 2000.

Posted by sheenu on (February 21, 2012, 13:08 GMT)

Calling all the Indian fans (which includes ME!!), let us start rooting for the Lankan Lions to win the CB cup and bring it to the sub-continent. The way our team is playing, it is hard for me to believe that India will make it to the finals.Sehwag hasn't learnt his lesson, Sachin's bat seems to be TOO HEAVY, Dhoni's over-rate is TOO SLOW, the bowlers are TOO ERRATIC.

Posted by rajithwijepura on (February 21, 2012, 13:07 GMT)

Im glad that at least Sri Lanka gave India some reason to excuse about the defeat.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 13:06 GMT)

I saw d video of sanjay if u mean performance it applies to both Raina and SHEWAG m i rt8? SHEWAG tld n a press meet dat he dint score a century fr d past 3 years overseas (he tld d same in a pressmeet n d last test against Australia) hw can u give him capitancy n let him open d innings? Diz z ridiculous! so performance n factors oni fr youngesters and if seniors dint perform well dey ll b inside d team oni s t so? I think diz z d major factor which stops India from winning matches. M nt against viru but juz cmnting d truth. Today also he proved d same. He played an unnecessary shot outside d off stump and went for a DUCK. On d other hand aussies dropped Riki coz of his performance. Wt r we gonu do with shewag?????

Posted by Raj_759 on (February 21, 2012, 13:03 GMT)

looks like there are some sensible srilankans on this blog, but many of them are just jealous of indian cricket team. they dont remember how big cheaters their cricket team is ,......having denied hundreds to sehwag sachin ganguly etc indians over the years and now also taking undue advantages of backing up too far continously and even shamefully repeating that after being warned.............no lame excuses please that the batsman was unaware of rules whatever..............the truth is only mahela and sanga are to some extent 'gentlemen ' players in the current team.

Posted by MaruthuDelft on (February 21, 2012, 12:59 GMT)

If Indians want to be gentlemen they all should be umpires or something like that. There is point in being players whose job is fighting for themselves or their teams. India's WC win is a joke now. India can win only one competition in the world. Population.

Posted by kevivnajar on (February 21, 2012, 12:58 GMT)

When some one is selected to represent their country in a sport, the mininum expectation is that the person knows the rules of the game. We already had Kapil Dev running out a south african batsmen decades ago. When the batsman is lazy enough for not following the rules, why should we give them more chance.

Excuses wont help people realise their mistakes, punishments do.

If Thirmanne was given out, he will not forget that for the rest of his career and will be advising other youngsters about it.

Now cricket players all over the world are going to take it very very easy to play with india.. in not following the rules.

I wont be surprised if a player asks for decision reversal upon fair play basis tomorrow, because he was expecting a low full toss first up but got a bouncer and was hence caught by keeper. !! could happen.

Posted by D.V.C. on (February 21, 2012, 12:58 GMT)

I agree with the author. The spirit of cricket applies when something unanticipated by the laws occurs. This was not unanticipated.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:58 GMT)

(2/2)

..Secondly, many comments refer to "Indians making excuses" and "author being disappointed at the large total".

First, nowhere in this article is the author making this article an excuse for India's bowling performance. Secondly, it is good to debate such issues. Consider this situation -

The last over of the world cup final. The chasing team needs 2 runs to win and are 9 wickets down. The non-striker, to enhance his chances of completing 2 runs, leaves his crease early. The bowler notices this and takes the bail off, without a warning.

Would that be fair?

That situation might never happen, but it's good to have clarity on such issues.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:57 GMT)

Just read- there are bigger things in life than winning cricket matches - but matches are played with a intention to win and NOT ONLY TO WIN HEARTS!!!

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:52 GMT)

Quite a few references are made to Geethike Dinith De Silva's comment:

"..According to the law the bowler cannot run the nonstriker out if he has already gotten in to his delivery stride. The delivery stride is defined to begin at the moment the bowler lands his backfoot before he sends the delivery.. ..Ashwin was well in to his delivery stride and cannot run Thirimanne out! Both umpires and players alike were unaware of the law."

I'll now copy-paste directly from the ICC Rules and Regulations posted on the ICC website:

"The bowler is permitted, before releasing the ball and provided he has not completed his usual delivery swing, to attempt to run out the non-striker. Whether the attempt is successful or not, the ball shall not count as one of the over.."

This is mentioned by the author also. The appeal was legal, and within the law.

Secondly, as per the law, no warning is necessary. It is up to the bowler to give a warning.. (1/2)

Posted by Rawlonski on (February 21, 2012, 12:49 GMT)

All I know is that one sure way of getting yourself into a fight on the cricket ground is to Mankad someone............. there is a reason why it evokes such a response and that is because it is a low act, be it in the rules or nor.

The response from Reiffel was not unexpected.... I would have been in shock as well if I was that close to the low act.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:49 GMT)

Let's look at what Mongia wrote: "and went on to consult with the leg umpire, or even perhaps ask the Indian captain if they indeed wanted to appeal." Now most responses are, like Mongia, attacking the umpire for asking the Indians to reconsider, but it is Mongia who suggests "even perhaps" this is what the umpire did. We do not yet know what the umpire actually said to anybody on the field. According to cricinfo's own report, it looked like Sachin asked his captain to withdraw the appeal. Why is Mongia attacking the umpires? Because he knows it is far easier than attacking Sachin for the same thing.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:46 GMT)

why the hell , the spirit of cricket comes to question , when india does this ,

what abt the randiv no ball decision to decline shewag a century,

does we deserve it,within the rules ashwin appeled , he hav every right to do so ,

ian chappel shouts in commentry as its a shame , then what happenned does thiramane learnt a lesson , he keep doing the same to every delivery after that, he has been seeing shaking his head in disapproval, when ashwin appealed ,

please show sense mr chappel , issue a apology to our veiwers

Posted by KENNETH2007 on (February 21, 2012, 12:45 GMT)

First of all to play like a champion matters just beat around the bush is another part

Posted by sandy_bangalore on (February 21, 2012, 12:44 GMT)

It absolutely makes us livid when we see these millionaire cricketers not give a damn to giving their best in crunch games. THis was nothing but capitulation and they were lucky to reach 250 in the first place. And can the selectors man up and the pull the plug on tendulkars career? He is well past his best and is playing on for accumulation and nothing else.Maybe there are no replacements, but you never know unless you try out someone. And wish we can never ever see Sehwag play abroad again. The ultimate flat track champion.

Posted by zaheerthetop on (February 21, 2012, 12:43 GMT)

Umpire should never ask the captain about the decision they must give out if they fell that batsman is out under the law. Umpire asking captains about their decision so the captain is saving his neck but the whole team is suffering.Why umpire is not aksing when sone apeal for lbw.

Posted by Kavum on (February 21, 2012, 12:39 GMT)

@Bruisers Whatever helps you sleep at night dude. Sri Lanka 4 points, India 0. Get it?

Posted by nav84 on (February 21, 2012, 12:37 GMT)

@Geethike Dinith De Silva -- first watch cricket played on planet earth and not that is played on planet weird and then talk about rules. @wjkalana - this is the first time in last 2 decades SL has managed to beat India in either of Eng, Aus, SA or NZ. They can only compete with India in subcontinent, middle east and WI. so check the stats first before u make funny claims. @mahanama - great dude. ur the best cricket observer i have ever come across. ur excuse for losing WC final is 10 times better than dhoni's all excuses put together. well done!! btw do u realize that sangakkara started crying when he was asked to bowl and had the coin tossed again and chose to bat first? i am sure u dont. @penny71 and all others - if u saw the match and saw sehwag's conversation with umpires he did point out that they had warned him earlier and because of that he was not even keen on withdrawing the appeal. it was sachin who made him do so.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:36 GMT)

Here are two popular sayings.Take your pick. "Uphold the spirit of cricket"... or... "Good guys finish last". To me, the batsman was taking unfair advantage. Knowingly. Nonchalantly. His leisurely stroll continued thumping his nose at the so-called spirit of cricket. His gentlemanly captain and the man behind the stumps, who got global accolades for his fantastic speech on the spirit of cricket only a year ago, apparently watched approvingly the newbies' nonchalant attitude toward 11 international cricketers in the opposing team and two respectable umpires. Long live spirit of cricket. Let me make it very clear: I am not criticizing India's gesture of withdrawing the appeal; only the guilty player's education and upbringing on the concept of payback.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:34 GMT)

@Master_Mihil. He was strolling out from the very beginning. By the time Ashwin acted upon it, the batsman has already settled down and amassed enough runs.

Posted by adi_das on (February 21, 2012, 12:33 GMT)

It seems the world just hates India even when they do a good thing in the field. Yes, India would have lost the game in any case because of their terrible bowling and batting (nothing new there). But some of the Sri Lankan fans are content to talk about how India are cunning and 'Spirit of the game' when their own player kept abusing it even after India did a good thing to him.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:33 GMT)

Well i see that this should not be given to the third umpire, when the batsman tries to gain few metres for his advantage, why cant the bowler appeal and ask for an out. Spirit of cricket should be there from batting side also, never leave the crease unless the ball is delivered, and ready to take the risk. Once the street smart cricket is played, and the technology is doing great help to the cricket, how can it be considered. In my opinion the verdict from the main umpire should be give this as out, and no need to pass it to third umpire, and no need to consult with the fielding side, and no need for sachin or sehwag to withdraw the appeal. Absolutely there is no spirit of game. As dhoni said in the past it should be for both the side.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:33 GMT)

ohh, India lost the game because of this......lol. excuse number 1001

Posted by mohanan on (February 21, 2012, 12:32 GMT)

I agree with the writer's opinions except that about the umpire not raising his finger immediately. He was not sure about it, so he referred it to the third umpire.

Posted by Dan2982 on (February 21, 2012, 12:29 GMT)

I strongly feel like Thirimanne should be banned for a 1 ODI due to his extreme negligence & disrespect to the opponent. It was apparent that he has not learned a lesson out of this episode & went on to tease the sportsmanship shown by Indian Indian captain & Sachin by coming out of the crease again and again to gain an unfair advantage. Indians were within their rights to claim the run out but glad it wasn't the case @ the end of the day, in which the former would have definitely left a bitter taste in everybody's mouth. Viru nicely settled his scores on the previous incident involved in with Dilshan, Randiv & SL Cricket!. As far as the match result concern, strongly thing it was Matthews who done the damage not Thirimanne. So we would have won it by anyway…

Posted by RThumma on (February 21, 2012, 12:29 GMT)

Atleast India have shown the spirit of game instead of winning matches. I admire what Sehwag, T'kar, Dhoni (not making a controversy of 5 ball over) have done so far for spirit of game in this series unlike other teams where they bowl a wide to avoid Sehwag's century and also call a not-out out when umpire asks for confirmation.

Posted by Lankan_Pride1981 on (February 21, 2012, 12:25 GMT)

That guy should have been given out. Ashwin was smart. I dont know why India withdrew the appeal. He clearly did not learn the lesson. he was stepping out repeteadly.

Posted by MacdaddyOZ on (February 21, 2012, 12:25 GMT)

Why blame the umpires? ... He was just providing the captain with the opportunity to consider a potentially divisive situation. They had the choice to continue on with the appeal, but chose not to. Well played all. Interesting to see if the writer would be so vehement in his derision of the umpires if it were an opposing player to 'Mankad' an Indian batsman.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:25 GMT)

Oh Good Indians Started Mourning Grow Up Mr.Monga

Posted by spinkingKK on (February 21, 2012, 12:25 GMT)

Mr.Monga, this is a BRILLIANT writing. What you said is just what needs to be said. Even I was debating if it was ok for India to have gone with the appeal. You cleared all the doubts. It really shouldn't have came down to India reversing the appeal. Excellent article.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:24 GMT)

I applaud Viru for playing with the right Spirit. Yes Lahiru Thrimanne WAS RUN OUT. But the spirit of Cricket prevailed. Remeber the Match Eng vs NZ when Paul Collingwood did not reverse his decision and decided to stick with the run out appeal against Kyle Mills? He was severly criticized though it was a legitimate run out. Cricket is a gentleman's game and it should stay that way. What if the opposit happened? Would everyone feel the same???? THINK ABOUT IT.

Posted by karthik_raja on (February 21, 2012, 12:23 GMT)

I dont understand why ppl asking 4 a warning b4 the actual appeal.. Spirit of cricket..?? Well, Enlighten me with ur thoughts.. Backing up unfairly - Does it come in good spirit..?? Aren't he doing this to steal a single..?? Please help me understanding the spirit here.. And don't say that warning could hv brought different result.. I could still see him wandering around, even after given a life.. Warning wudnt hv brought any difference..

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:23 GMT)

Tendulkar won't achieve anything apart an ICC 'Spirt of Cricket\Fair Play' Award, probably his last award. But gestures such as these could be the difference between winning & loosing.

Posted by MikeRocksAlways on (February 21, 2012, 12:23 GMT)

@wjkalana i agree india is not playing well these days but dont say dey r jst home champions its too much i guess..dont u remember last CB series india won where SL were thrashed out of the tournament early...so dont generalise buddy...dont talk about competency 'coz india and sl both has same pitch conditions at home but india could able to beat sl in sl many a times but sl not able to beat ind in ind..y same conditions isnt ;) also see the overseas record its not that sl dominates india outside its actually other way arnd check the stats...just that indians r not in form otherwise SRT, Sehwag would thrash lions and recollect how many days SL team were scared when they were in flow...anyway it shows how jealous ur on india for not allowing sl to run SPL and also not able to beat them and win WC :) ur emotions wont bring WC home mate...lol..wat matters is the WC other tournaments wont value much...u always remember who wins the WC not many tournaments that goes around a year....

Posted by kevinpp24 on (February 21, 2012, 12:22 GMT)

Well done Monga, this is how you deceive people you don't watch the match. Even after that incident Thirimanne was wandering outside the crease of every bowler not just except Ashwin, which showed that he's doing it subconsiously. But yes whatever he did was wrong n Ashwin has every right to run him out, but you said Thirinanne was stealing an unfair advantage, now that was absolute rubbish. Please when you write an article again try to switch "biased switch" off.

Posted by Silver_Angels on (February 21, 2012, 12:21 GMT)

Batsman can take unfair advantage.. and the bowler cannot go by rule ??? just change your mindset and play cricket as per rules... orelse someday u would find stumping and runout being a question of fair play........ha ha ha

Posted by Sinhabahu on (February 21, 2012, 12:20 GMT)

Oh look, another Indian smarting from the thrashing they received. Excuses, excuses, huh Sidharth?

Posted by Daran9 on (February 21, 2012, 12:20 GMT)

Dear Edotor, read the rules book before write any comments please. Give a proper advise to India how to win matches please!

Posted by raj_12345 on (February 21, 2012, 12:19 GMT)

Well said.. being outside your crease is a mistake.. whats the point in invoking spirit of cricket here.. that way, such a law should be invoked even when a batsman has not grounded his bat in a run out dismissal... this is no spirit of cricket thing and it also has a demoralizing influence on the rest of the players..

Posted by avis_2010 on (February 21, 2012, 12:13 GMT)

Believe it or not... Best Team India can field in this series at this stage is (in the same order) - 1. Sachin 2. Gautam 3. Virat 4. Rohit 5. Raina 6. Sewhag 7. Dhoni 8. Pathan 9. Ashwin 10. Zaheer 11. Vinay... Currently these are top 4 bowlers performing (with wickets taking capability) and Sewhag needs to be brought down in the order so that he can contribute with quick runs even with 25-30 runs... and he can chip in 4-5 overs as 5th bowler plus rest being shared by Raina and Rohit....

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:10 GMT)

Find 1000 more reasons but truth of the matter is Sri Lankans were better than Indians today just accept it.

Posted by karthik_raja on (February 21, 2012, 12:10 GMT)

The case is much difference between Bell incident and today's.. Bell's might be case of "spirit of cricket".. Bt, today is certainly not.. Rules are specifically written for this kinda incident.. And India should not hav withdrawn the appeal.. Backing up is definitely against the law of game similar to lbw/handling the ball.. It is an advantage for an extra single.. Umpires should be fair enuf to give OUT(without taking time to discuss on this).. Why they even decide to talk with fielding captain.? When a appeal is there, they have to decide.. Players should not be consulted 4 any kinda decision.. U have another umpire on field and a TV umpire and Referee who hv better knowledge abt proceedings.. Why do u want to go to players..?? Indians(esp, SRT) r always kind hearted and generous and I can never expect them to REFUSE whn Umpires r asking "Can you withdraw the appeal in the name of spirit of cricket..??" And still thr r ppl who call Indian players as arrogant.. hmm..

Posted by MikeRocksAlways on (February 21, 2012, 12:09 GMT)

Its called spirit of the game :)

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:08 GMT)

its no use crying over it now. There are many things that are in the book of law but are not always followed or done accordingly.

You cannot blame that one incident for loosing the whole match.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:06 GMT)

Is this Mr Sidharth Monga's opinion or cricinfo editorial?

Posted by sonahimanshu on (February 21, 2012, 12:06 GMT)

Sri lanka bowled a no ball to deny sehwag the century. Even a game where Robin singh took 5 wickets in lanka was called off by the umpires.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:06 GMT)

Here are two popular sayings.Take your pick. "Uphold the spirit of cricket"... or... "Good guys finish last". To me, the batsman was taking unfair advantage. Knowingly. Nonchalantly. His leisurely stroll continued thumping his nose at the so-called spirit of cricket. His gentlemanly captain and the man behind the stumps, who got global accolades for his fantastic speech on the spirit of cricket only a year ago, apparently watched approvingly the newbies' nonchalant attitude toward 11 international cricketers in the opposing team and two respectable umpires. Long live spirit of cricket. Let me make it very clear: I am not criticizing India's gesture of withdrawing the appeal; only the guilty player's education and upbringing on the concept of payback.

Posted by karthik_raja on (February 21, 2012, 12:06 GMT)

@jimmy2s.. I don't think warning could hv any effect.. He continued to do that even after Indians were kind enuf to withdraw the appeal.. Its umpire's mistake to even consult fielding captain on this issue.. They shud hv taken their decision.. @Master_Mihil.. I am sure Umpires wud hv knwn this rule.. Even if they dont, they hv third umpire and match referee to confirm wts is going on.. @sawifan.. Oh.. I guess, other teams will ONLY WARN, when opponent's batsman put his leg b4 wicket too.. @Geethike Dinith De Silva.. Probably its u who hv to check it again.. Hope u r living 90s.. Back then the rule was like wt u hv mentioned.. Last year the rule is changed and enforced which allows the bowler to run-out non-striker b4 delivering the ball..

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (February 21, 2012, 12:05 GMT)

@Harshan Malinga. What a funny statement! Donot assume that every player will walk out like your cricketers. He did the same again and again like a kid!

Posted by Ianrangmybell on (February 21, 2012, 12:02 GMT)

Dear Sidharth Monga,

Perhaps you should look into the spirit of unbiased journalism before you become such an expert on the 'spirit of cricket.'

Thanks.

Posted by Rick777 on (February 21, 2012, 12:02 GMT)

If we are living in a world where humanity exists, spirit of the game should exist too. So I don't think we should do such things for the sake of winning. What if it was the other way round? So many ifs and buts, the best thing is to play the game with good values and spirit. Rules are there if the situation is out of control, but if both parties agree to play the game in the right spirit, then why the fuss???

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (February 21, 2012, 12:00 GMT)

What is the spirit of the game of Lankans??? How can we forgot the Randiv's no-ball and Dilshan's support for that! Also, in this case, the batsman again walked out of the crease several times.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 12:00 GMT)

Bruisers: pathetic from you.dreaming and calculating...if he got out that time fair chance mathews had a further wack an sri lanka reaching 300.and remember they have 3 big hitters there in the lower middle order unlike indias edgy lucky pathan.true talent.so all the indians come on.admit the defeat.any way youngster(thirimanna) should learn from this as well.and great work from viru and sachin. -i can imagine what would have overheaded kholi done if he was in charge,

Posted by agastalin on (February 21, 2012, 12:00 GMT)

What is the spirit of the game? A right handed batsman switches to left hand and hitting after the bowler delivers the ball. When that is allowed and not seen as something which hurts the spirit of the game, why can't running out someone when he actually moves out before the bowl delivers the ball. If anyone is not respecting the spirit of the game, it is the batsman who moves out of the crease before someone bowls, the one who changes stance after the ball is bowled. I think bowlers should be given the option of using under arm bowling to surprise the batsman just like how the batsman surprises the bowler by switching stance.

Posted by GlodenLionKing on (February 21, 2012, 11:57 GMT)

Honestly get real guys, last match it was the missing ball now the run-out. Play well and then you don't have to complain. India was lucky today that three dropped catches let them get away with extra 80+ runs, otherwise Sri Lankans would have won with a bonus points.

Posted by GDarshana on (February 21, 2012, 11:57 GMT)

Indians cant bear lost in any situation. Last match they said Malinga didnt bowl 1 bowl. Is it a Mistake of Malinga or Umpire? In this case Mistake done by Umpire not Thirimanna. According to law, it is NOTOUT.(check the law) Some of them telling, they missed MS Dhoni. Is it a mistake by SL. lol. (anyway SL team has given 3 drop catches kohli and Raina, still they cant beat SL team. ohhh WITH 13 CHANCES THEY CANT BEAT)

Posted by darkmon.SL on (February 21, 2012, 11:56 GMT)

Respect both Sehwag and Sachin as players,very much after this incident.But writer I'm not sure even if this guys even heard of something called sportsmanship.About Thirimanne,MJ should give a smack to his head and teach him revised rules :/.Besides give him a little break,he is a young guy who is very new to the scene.

Posted by lepidocephalichthys_thermalis on (February 21, 2012, 11:56 GMT)

@ Abhijeet Naik : I didn't know LTTE supporters like you watch cricket. Crawl back under the same rock you crawled out of.

Posted by Great_Chucker on (February 21, 2012, 11:55 GMT)

wjkalana and Mahaanama dudes get real ....SL won all the matches in WC'11 bowling second....now without murali they are pathetic....lets see who get in to final against AUS and then boast about who are "flat track bullies" ...trivia recent score of 43 vs SA recently

Posted by mysay on (February 21, 2012, 11:53 GMT)

I'm not going to into detail about this. All I need to say is if Sri Lanka had opted for the runout leaving aside the spirit of the game, all you Indian blokes would have come down on the Lankans like a ton of bricks claiming it was not in the spirit of the game. So stop crying... India started cricket way long ago to know that such practices were not in keeping with the SPIRIT OF THE GAME. Just like not using the DRS. NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE GAME as well. Stop your whining and get over it.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 11:52 GMT)

what is wrong with this indian team?you have to play the game the hard way like what john wright said.not like this

Posted by npse on (February 21, 2012, 11:51 GMT)

Penny 71, how about warning a batsman before a bouncer or a doosra. One must know the rules or stop playing cricket. This is not sportsmanship but an abuse to the rules of the game.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 11:51 GMT)

Umpires must not have asked India to rethink about the appeal...once they had done that..the question of fairness and spirit comes into question...

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 11:50 GMT)

FFS this just needs to be made hard and fast as part of the game. Isn't it amazing that teams bowled a terribly high amount of No Balls and now that a 'free hit' is brought it, teams including Pakistan who are worst culprits bowl considerably less unless paid to. Also players won't be picked with injury or stamina problems now there is no runner. Now that Dhoni has missed a test and a ODI we might see rates pick up, how would it be if he missed a quarter final at a WC? So by simply giving the player out, there will be an immediate knee jerk focus on backing up properly, and I certainly don't see an issue with the best players in the game having to set good examples like running your bat in, walking in with the bowler.. This is meant to be international cricket is it not? Like all rules, if its enforced fairly and all the time then there is no prob with it, it might actually bring peoples talents like speed into the game, and the chance for runouts, cause they won't be hlfway dwnv track

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 11:48 GMT)

I still do not understand why Jadeja is still in the first 11?

Posted by GreenGoat on (February 21, 2012, 11:48 GMT)

i would think that this was one of few good things for india out of this match... viru and sachin showed that they are gentlemen cricketers, and we should applaud such behavior.. the reason is that thirimanne was not warned before, and sportsmanship dictates a warning and sachin/viru gave it to him... great stuff... good luck sachin on ur next 100- i think one good deed deserves another and the gods will oblige next weekend...

wht is not so great (in fact, really bad) is that he continued to do the same offense... personally, i think he had no idea, and stopped this soon after someone from the dressing room came down and educated him on his fault... anyway, no excuse again, i think india shud run him out next time, with no warning... ~ SL fan

Posted by cricmerc7 on (February 21, 2012, 11:47 GMT)

AHaa no rain today... but fortunately there was at least a run out to talk about.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 11:47 GMT)

Indians withdrew the appeal, coz they were cunning enough to know that, if they do so, they could benefit by doing the same thing when they are chasing. Simple as That !!!

Posted by rskmax on (February 21, 2012, 11:47 GMT)

I believe that Indians (Sachin & Sehwag) did the right thing. Indians did it before, to Bell. Don't forget that Hansie Cronje, Courtney Walsh, Marvan Atapattu and many other players and teams have done these sort of things in world cricket history. And player's currently playing game will do so. That's why we called it gentlemen's sport. That's why we love to watch it no matter who wins or loose.

Posted by Daran9 on (February 21, 2012, 11:45 GMT)

Even though the batsman looks to be taking advantage by taking a stride, bowler cannot run him out if he has already planted his back leg for delivery. Technically it is not possible according to the new rule by ICC for any bowler to run a batsman out unless the bowler has to predetermine that he is not going to release the bowl rather run the batsman out on his run up. Any way this is not an excuse for India to loose this match. Sri Lanka has been genourous by dropping three chances off Kholi and Raina but India still lost the match 51 Runs! Lot to think about the strategy and the selection for India. Above all rather than talking about excuses let the bat and bowl do the talking India!

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 11:45 GMT)

I can not believe what i'm reading. Mr Sidharth Monga if ashwin was to follow the etiquette he should have warned the batsman before attempting to run him out. there are bigger things in life than winning cricket matches. I'm glad India did what they did.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (February 21, 2012, 11:44 GMT)

@Geethike Dinith De Silva " That, despite the rule changes last year, which clearly state the bowler is permitted, before releasing the ball and provided he has not completed his usual delivery swing, to attempt to run out the non-striker." And it is certainly not shameful when the author clearly pointed out the changes made in the law .

Glad some players had some sense to not turn this in to some thing like that infamous no ball incident

Posted by stormy16 on (February 21, 2012, 11:44 GMT)

Firstly would we be having this lengthy article and discussion and if India had won - dont think so! The same if Thirimana was given out. If India were so concerned about the 'spirit of cricket' there should have been a warning before taking off the bails. From all accounts Thirimane still isnt aware of this article or the law/spirit regarding the incident which is totally insane! How on earth can he keep leaving the crease even after an appeal has been withdrawn?

Posted by GDarshana on (February 21, 2012, 11:43 GMT)

READ ALL THIS COMMENT FROM Geethike Dinith De Silva

Before you go writing such a long article about fairness just because India was on the receiving end, understand what the law states. According to the law the bowler cannot run the nonstriker out if he has already gotten in to his delivery stride. The delivery stride is defined to begin at the moment the bowler lands his backfoot before he sends the delivery. So according to the law Ashwin was well in to his delivery stride and cannot run Thirimanne out! Both umpires and players alike were unaware of the law. Also it is shameful on the part of cricinfo to allow such an article when clearly the appeal was not within the laws of cricket!

Posted by kamalotus on (February 21, 2012, 11:43 GMT)

fully agree with Sidharth Monga !!! . . .

Posted by orangtan on (February 21, 2012, 11:42 GMT)

Sri Lanka are playing great cricket and will beat India nine times out of ten. But the umpire should have declared Thirimanne out, there is no grey area here. And Sri Lanka 's sportsmanship is highly suspect, remember Dilshan asking Randiv to bowl a no-ball to deny Sehwag a century. I rest my case.

Posted by cricmerc7 on (February 21, 2012, 11:40 GMT)

Well... this is really embarrassing. Guys it is 51 runs... Accept the fact that even if the run out was given... India will still remain in the loosing side. But Sachin and Sehwag manage to prove that still the Indian Cricket consist of some great players. Thirimanna and all the other players should be look in to this matter, and personally even I do not like it. All I want to say is, If you believe that that run out would have change the game. Well it isn't...

Posted by Mitcher on (February 21, 2012, 11:40 GMT)

Considering the potentially explosive situation they were placed in, I think the umpires did a brilliant job to give everyone involved a chance to consider their position, moreso in light of the fact that even the most innocuous of incidents involving India are generally blown up into international incidents. The writer's suggestion they were in the wrong is absurd and seems just another case of Indians attempting to pass the blame for their team's latest controversy.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (February 21, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

They could have warned him before appealing first and appealed it if he had repeated the same mistake. Its not just the 15 runs he scored but the partnership with others that would have meant much. Also whats with this stand in captain preferring Raina and kholi to bowl the death overs?. Is it because of the over rate? And why o whyy Parthiv/Vinay are there in the team. God save IND cricket.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

As a Sri Lankan, I am still feeling guilty & ashamed when Dilshan & Randiv deprived Shewag of his century. They should learn from this. I salute Shewag & Tendulkar.

Posted by Bruisers on (February 21, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

@Kavum- Pathetic comment.. Looks like you have lost it.. 15 runs makes a huge difference mentally especially for top-order batsmen who have to set the platform for the big run-chase.. Going by your way, if those 15 runs are removed from the SL score, then the required rate would have come down drastically at the end of Indian innings and batsmen would have played more sensibly. With 4 wickets in hand, 78 required from 60 balls would have become 63 required from 60 balls and INDIA would have easily won.. So think before you post a 'brilliant' comment..

Posted by Iyer on (February 21, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

This decision cost a crucial win for India. The momentum swung in favor of srilanka and they amassed 90 odd runs in the next 10 overs. In England, Mukund (tamilnadu player) was smart to make the run out, and dravid & sachin convinced the indian management to withdraw that decision. It was stupid, and they both played to please the english crowd and media. Here again, Ashwin (tamilandu player0 was smart enough to understand the latest rules and run out this batsman, but sachin played spoilsport. Sachin is no longer playing for the country with the attitude to win, he is playing for fun and his personal record. He did this so that tomorrow all newspapers can hail as the greatest sportsman and day after he could go into history books as one of the few cricket players who played the game as a true gentleman. When you play for the country, it is not club cricket, it is not friendly cricket, you are playing for the people of India. Their passion is hurt by your actions.

Posted by frank2011 on (February 21, 2012, 11:37 GMT)

India didn't loose because of the sportsmanship shown to the young Sri Lankan. The reason that India lost today was because Dhoni wasn't sitting properly on his chair today while serving out his suspension. No... no... my bad... it was Ravi Shastri for not using enough adverbs when he was commentating today. That's right loyal fans of India, as always, keep finding excuses for your side not winning but don't even think about the loss was due to the poor batting, bowling or fielding. Let's face it, the Indian players have no pride to represent their country anymore and have no substance to play anything over 20 overs.

Posted by gabrialgihan on (February 21, 2012, 11:34 GMT)

this is not something which couldhave made any effect to the match..monga is just sad after seeing the big total stilanka put in.The only defferent it would have done is give anjelo mathews a half century.. never the less great gentlement vrivket by shewag and tendulkar.

Posted by Mahaanama on (February 21, 2012, 11:33 GMT)

India dragged their bowling inning to an additional extra hour in WC finals so dew came to the match late night. Where was their spirit there? Anyway SL could have easily won this match even the appeal was not withdrawn. hope Indians who always looking for excuses won't say that they lost the match due to this appeal case.

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (February 21, 2012, 11:33 GMT)

HOW MANY FAILURES WILL OPEN THE EYES OF INDIAN SELECTORS TO ENSURE THAT JADEJA IS NOT A BATSMEN . HE DON'T KNOW HOW TO BAT ON BOUNCY CONDITIONS . ON THE OTHER HAND IRFAN PATHAN WAS PLAYING SHORT PITCH BALLS CONFIDENTLY BY PULLING & HOOKING THEM FOR BOUNDARIES . ACTUALLY IRFAN IS BETTER BASTMEN THAN RAINA , JADEJA , ROHIT , SEHWAG IN THIS TEAM ON AUS PITCHES .

Posted by ffirefly on (February 21, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

High time for sachin tendulkar to say good bye............... and leave that spot for som new blood....... he is making it difficult for the captain as well..... to adjust the openers........

Posted by somsoc on (February 21, 2012, 11:30 GMT)

A book of rules is meant for one purpose only - to help explain the rules of the game. Imagine a new country is trying to learn the game - lets say Ukraine and they start by reading the rules and then applying them in a game. Would they know the difference between this run out and say one in which the batsman is caught off guard by the wicketkeeper when he raises his foot. Whats the difference between the two? I dont understand. All this confusion just because the first time this happened, someone raised an issue about it. Likewise, if someone had said it was not gentlemanly to run someone out by the wicketkeeper when they raised their feet, then we would be having similar discussions it. Would they be called bad sport or ungentleman if they ran out someone this way? The batsman made a mistake and he has to pay for it - like getting caught, being bowled, run out - all mistakes that batsman makes.

Posted by Penny71 on (February 21, 2012, 11:29 GMT)

The author does not seem to believe sportsmanship. The bowler could have warned the batsman before eh was trying to run out as the common practice by many batsmen to leave the crease as soon as the bowler has done 3/4 of the run up. I have seen enough and more instances where the bowler stop bowling and points out to the umpire and batsman that he has left and next time he will run out him, which is fair.

This hard nose approach to justify every rule will ruin the game. This is like aussies trying to legalise sledging.

Posted by wjkalana on (February 21, 2012, 11:29 GMT)

Now that india lost the game our cricket pundits will say it is due to this, hey guys remember anjelo mathews was 49 not out and there was maharoof too who can hit the ball hard so if india got the wicket of lahiru india may be chasing 300 instead of 290. Match was lost due to incompetence of indian batsmen. India batsmens are flat track bullies. Luckily irfan pathan got some lucky runs otherwise india would buddle out below 200. He just trows the bat and luckily it connects and it was one of those days for him and it was lucky for india. SL dropped some catches so they have to improve on that regards. I would say this again india wont win again in this tournament. Because India are not world champions they are home champions.

Posted by DingDong420 on (February 21, 2012, 11:29 GMT)

These are the same Sri Lankans that delivered a leg side wide four ball when Tendulkar needed a couple of runs for 100 and India needed a couple of runs to win the match.

Posted by Machag on (February 21, 2012, 11:27 GMT)

Is it the reason India lost today ?

Posted by Bruisers on (February 21, 2012, 11:26 GMT)

If it isn't in 'the spirit of the game', then why is it in the rule book..? After all, the rule-setters are the people who go about with the SPIRIT OF THE GAME campaigns..

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 11:21 GMT)

It is where gentlemen are seperated from mere men.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 11:20 GMT)

It is nice to see India be sport .well done..

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 11:16 GMT)

Cricket has to be cricket Mr Writer, not foxing what ever the rules are. Shame...this is a shame...that's what cmmentators said at the mpment and that's what I have to say.Let the gentlemens game to be played by gentlemens...Not by pirates or thieves

Posted by TheGreatBCCI on (February 21, 2012, 11:14 GMT)

Indian Team is the only that shows Spirit of Cricket, thats why we lost the Game.. ICC has changed the rules and players are not obeying, ICC should take serious Action against this other wise all the rules will be violated... ICC made these rules to Save the Spirit of the game. Will Srilanka allow runner for Raina/Virat if they get hurted? Thiramanne was cropping out of the Crease even after the mighty warning and got instructions from Dressing room to Stop. India stop being generous and play as per rules, save the game that Billions admire..

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 11:14 GMT)

There have been bigger instances remember WC 87 - Walsh and Abdul Qadir. Its just one of those things which happened on the field of play. I hardly think that is the only reason why India lost.. SL was overall the better team except in their fielding. Had SL held all their catches India would not have crossed 200. Viru and Sehwag sorry to say need to get dropped. As a team India cannot carry top 3 players who get out regularly before the 15th over. It simply puts too much pressure on the middle order who are exposed against the new ball.

Posted by Chris_P on (February 21, 2012, 11:13 GMT)

@ sawifan, I would suggest a few other teams from similar areas would do so as well. That said, it is a point of conjecture. I know over here, we play tough, but in all games (outdoor cricket that is) I have played & witnessed, a warning first, just the one, otherwise it's a go. But to be fair to the fielidng team, batsmen backing up way too much also seek an unfair advantage if they make their run by less than the head start they got. Not sure how big indoor cricket is overseas (SA & NZ aside) but mankad runouts occur all the time in these formats, but that is the nature of the hour long fast paced game where the ball is never dead unless a wicket is lost. Personally, I got no issue with doing this, it helps keep the batsman from "fudging".

Posted by Buggsy on (February 21, 2012, 11:13 GMT)

Spirit of cricket is good and all, but seriously that was out. India had every right to appeal but rules are rules and India made a mockery of them by backing down. I really don't know why people consider mankad as 'not cricket' or somehow not in the spirit of the game especially if warning is given. What's NOT in the spirit of the game is the batsman halfway down the track before the ball is released, and Thirimanne was definitely forewarned. Shame on India for backing down and shame on the umpires for making the bowler feeling guilty about it.

Posted by randikaayya on (February 21, 2012, 11:11 GMT)

Lahiur made a match winning contribution today, well done lad! You are one for the future! But watch out when backing up, if its against the spirit of the game to run you out at bowling stride, it is also against the spirit to back up too far before the ball in delivered. Weldone India for withdrawing it although it had little impact on the game itself

Posted by AvidFanDownUnder on (February 21, 2012, 11:11 GMT)

I'm with the bowlers on this one (and the author as well) - I could never understand why batsmen always get a 5 stride head start with runs more than the fielders did (and if this was a close game this sort of advantage could be the difference). If the intention is to leave the crease to try and obtain a single then the player should have to face the consequences. Its a little bit different comparing Bell's case to this case - in Bell's case like the author said he might have been a little silly but he certainly wasn't trying to steal a single. In this case the batsman is clearly trying to get a single and so should have been out.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 11:09 GMT)

Before you go writing such a long article about fairness just because India was on the receiving end, understand what the law states. According to the law the bowler cannot run the nonstriker out if he has already gotten in to his delivery stride. The delivery stride is defined to begin at the moment the bowler lands his backfoot before he sends the delivery. So according to the law Ashwin was well in to his delivery stride and cannot run Thirimanne out! Both umpires and players alike were unaware of the law. Also it is shameful on the part of cricinfo to allow such an article when clearly the appeal was not within the laws of cricket!

Posted by sarath141 on (February 21, 2012, 11:08 GMT)

Well Said! It was unfair by Thirumanne to stroll one too many times! Indians shouldn't have taken back the appeal.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 10:56 GMT)

Sidharth- I am totally agreed with you. Once again you have come up with very sensible post concerning a specific issue.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 10:54 GMT)

India should had made appeal and should had got thirimanne out.These srilankans don't deserve to be shown such sportsman spirit.Biggest cheaters in world cricket,even Australians are far better than them

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 10:42 GMT)

Pedantic adherence to the rules should not come in the way of commons sense. It is, by all means, a fair way to get the batsman out, but that's not how you want to get a batsman out, and that's not what an audience wants to see, hence a let-off the first time. When Thirimanne kept doing it, should he have been found out again, it would have been acceptable to run him out. The game is not about trying to win at all costs, but commercialisation is threatening to make it so, and that is when cricket will lose its charm.

Posted by sawifan on (February 21, 2012, 10:40 GMT)

lets face it, India are probably the only team in the world who would appeal for this the first time it happened. All other teams would have given the batsman a warning first (even those 'rude, ruthless'' Aussies). Thank goodness the only gentleman in the team knew what was the correct thing to do.

Posted by usernames on (February 21, 2012, 10:36 GMT)

Absolutely. This entire spirit of cricket is a joke; what exactly does that mean?

Posted by whyowhy on (February 21, 2012, 10:32 GMT)

The umpire should have ruled out and got Thirimanne of the pitch asap - the batsman was taking unfair advantage (and shamefully kept on doing it) and it is only Ashwin who had the brains in the whole Indian team to run him out - this is not spirit of cricket but absolute ignorance and stupidity on the part of the indian players (except Ashwin). I hope the lankan officials speak to Thirimanne about this as it was a kick in the backside to the indians and their only fault was displaying the spirit of Cricket towards the lankans by withdrawing Ashwin's appeal.........

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 10:25 GMT)

Agree with everything in the article and especially the last paragraph. It's OK in cricket to appeal when you know the batsman isn't out, but against the spirit to run out a batsamn who's out of his ground. I wonder how many batsmaen would've been run out but it weren't for the fact they gained the vital few inches at the bowler's end. Backing up too far should be just as risky as trying to go for cheeky single.

Posted by applethief on (February 21, 2012, 10:22 GMT)

Did Ashwin not give Thirimanne a fair warning before? Surely that could've resolved the issues, not the antagonistic and hard-line approach that the author of this article is advocating. A simple "mate, back out of your crease again, and I'm going to run you out" should've sufficed, and if Thirimanne did not take this seriously, Ashwin could've flicked the bails off and that should've been the end of his innings. 1 warning should be enough.

Posted by Master_Mihil on (February 21, 2012, 10:20 GMT)

Inida did the right thing first warn him before mankeding him. But thirimanna didn't get the message. I would've accepted if india mankeded him again in a false run-up. But they didn't and it showed that they too didn't know the law very well. So nobody's guilty. But thirimanna was idiotic,silly and Shewag,Tendulkar very gentle and sporty.

Posted by satish619chandar on (February 21, 2012, 10:19 GMT)

A batsman suddenly cramps and fell down slipping and the fielding team want to withdraw the appeal is spirit of cricket.. How about the cunning stumpings the keepers wait and do when the batsman suddenly takes off his foot? Really time for someone to draw line to this Spirit of cricket.. Sachin once crossed the crease and his bat went in the air due to collision with a fielder.. The umpire that time just gave it out without consulting anyone.. That's it.. As simple as that to make a decision..

Posted by Kavum on (February 21, 2012, 10:18 GMT)

Hats of to gentlemen Tendlya and Viru. Thirimanne did not really benefit as he only got about 15 more runs after that. If India lose by 15-20 then they can feel hard done by. Otherwise, just bite the bullet and stop whining.

Posted by satish619chandar on (February 21, 2012, 10:15 GMT)

I still can't understand why ICC is going to frame a rule which is going to be considered as a "Against spirit of game" thing? What if Dilshan runs out Sehwag or a Mills runs out ABD and claims "According to the rule book".. Bell's was not a genuine mistake.. A mere assumption that the ball reached the fence and started off to tea should have never been overturned first of all.. This was even ridiculous to withdraw an appeal when the batsman was clearly comitting a mistake.. ICC should act immediately and provide response on this incident and another such rule for obstructing the field.. If against spirit, get away the rule.. No inconsistencies please..

Posted by Master_Mihil on (February 21, 2012, 10:12 GMT)

Monga is clearly disturbed because Srilanka posted a big score. It was very idiotic of thirimanna to jump out of the crease like this. But how the hell you know he understood the gravity of the situation? I was very embarrased after thirimanna did that again after that. Clearly indian team did not approach him and gave the message. But at the same time time it was very very very gentleman thing by Shewag, and Tendulkar. Clearly they didn't wan't this look like the infamous noball incident. Had they went an had a friendly word with thirimanna my guess is he wouldn't have done it. Clearly umpires and thirmanna too were unaware of the rule change. I don't think indian players too clearly knew it. But any ware he was almost 50 when he did it. But i must say it was very very ugly and foolish. He diminished his wonderful knock by his idiocy.

Posted by   on (February 21, 2012, 10:01 GMT)

Much to the folly of India, inspite of the repercussions, I feel India messed it up, it was a clearcase of transgression - where they needed to exercise whatwas rightful. There are cases, when you can be sympathetic, but this was well within rights. serves them right!

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