England's Pietersen dilemma September 1, 2012

Pietersen set for Flower talks

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Kevin Pietersen was expected to meet with Andy Flower, the England team director, on Saturday in the first stage of trying to save his international career.

Pietersen was dropped for the final Test against South Africa for sending, what he admitted in his first apology to the ECB, were 'provocative' text messages to friends in the South African team. He was also left out of the squad of the World Twenty20 despite making himself available for all cricket in a video posted on YouTube.

Since the situation reached its tipping point in the days following the Headingley Test, when Pietersen gave a press conference where he said "it is tough being me", the ECB have made it clear that the talks to try and resolve the stand-off will be done behind closed doors.

If the meeting with Flower shows progress, beginning with Pietersen providing a full, honest apology, then it is expected that further talks will take place then involving Hugh Morris, the managing director, and possibly new Test captain Alastair Cook.

On Wednesday, when he was confirmed as Andrew Strauss' replacement, Cook said that he would become involved at some point. "I've been on the outside for a lot of the saga," he said. "Clearly I'll get involved over the coming weeks."

Strauss, for his part, insisted that the Pietersen situation had no bearing on his decision to retire although before the Lord's Test against South Africa - which was Strauss' 100th - he admitted to feeling "let down" by Pietersen's actions which are believed to have included texts about Strauss.

Before he stood down, Strauss said it would not be a quick process to reintegrate Pietersen with the team and Flower will want plenty of assurances before showing his faith in the batsman.

While England were playing the opening one-day internationals against South Africa, Pietersen, who had previously retired from one-day cricket earlier in the summer, was in County Championship action for Surrey where he struck 163 against Somerset at Taunton. He declined the opportunity to say anything the day Strauss retired.

However, on Friday a magazine interview that had been done before the Test series was published in the Cricketer in which Pietersen took a swipe at the ECB over the IPL. "Test cricket is right up there, most definitely," he said, "but IPL and Twenty20 cricket is a matter of fact now. Every board has accepted it apart from the ECB, unfortunately. Some part of international cricket may have to give because the IPL is not going away."

If there is progress in the talks between Pietersen, Flower and the ECB the earliest he could return to the side would be the Test series against India which begins in mid-November. The squad for that tour is expected to be named in early October although central contracts are due to be handed out by the end of this month and possibly before the players leave for the World Twenty20 in Sri Lanka.

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • Commenter123 on September 4, 2012, 16:54 GMT

    Vinoth , No one man can save a team. Even Sachin could not bring worldcup for 20 years. Cricket is a team game. I don't understand why it's so hard to grasp that?

  • ooper_cut on September 4, 2012, 11:15 GMT

    Guess it might be time for ECB to go cricket hunting in SA again. This time they can also cover Zimbabwe, might get a Hick or a flower too.

  • 158notout on September 3, 2012, 10:59 GMT

    Jeez, is this still going on. Once again we see a definite line down the middle here. Pretty much all england fans say good riddance, some things are more important that winning (e.g. respect for teammates) and also that the team is more important than the individual and that there can not be one rule for one and another for the rest. Most Indian fans seem to be happy with all the misdemeanour's as long as he is one of the best batsmen. This highlights a difference in cricket culture in the two countries. India is happy to go down the idol worship route and be held to ransom by players if they return the favour with performance. england rather build up a team to challenge even if it means sacrificing the best player if they dont toe the line. Interesting. Unsurprisingly as an England fan I agree with the ECB. Would be happy if KP was dropped permanently but, if HE can sort himself out and abide by the standards, morals and rules laid out then perhaps there is a way back for KP

  • whyowhy on September 3, 2012, 10:46 GMT

    Maybe Flower can fix him up to play for Zimbabwe ......... How many IPL's will he need to qualify to play for Zimbabwe ??

  • on September 3, 2012, 10:14 GMT

    Hurahh... KP should be be back... He is man who can save English cricket and it was he who brought England to Glory.

  • JG2704 on September 3, 2012, 7:56 GMT

    @satish619chandar on (September 03 2012, 04:39 AM GMT) PS - I do hope it is resolved but I'm not sure it will be. I think trust is a big issue here. If KP had kicked off behind closed doors but to the individuals faces then I'm sure it would be easier to work around. I'm certainly not going to judge KP or ECB until I know what was said in the texts. But if KP feels hard done by then how can any of us say whether he is being hard done by until we know what he said?

  • JG2704 on September 3, 2012, 7:51 GMT

    @maximum6 on (September 01 2012, 22:47 PM GMT) I've tried to respond to you on the other thread and put across 2/3 lengthy posts (several times inc on this thread) re KP and Karthik but for whatever reason ESPN have not published which is a shame but there you go

  • JG2704 on September 3, 2012, 7:48 GMT

    @satish619chandar on (September 03 2012, 04:39 AM GMT) Who knows? I have heard rumours that it was about tactics etc , but no one knows for sure. Not sure why ECB have not published the texts etc. Could simply be that they want to keep the matter hushed until it has all been resolved one way or the other. Whatever happens I've not heard KP say one word about him being harshly treated re this particular matter and Kp is not usually shy with his opinions. Reading between the lines it suggests that KP knows what he said/did was very wrong

  • satish619chandar on September 3, 2012, 4:39 GMT

    @JG2704 : That makes me wonder what the heck is going on. For ECB who revealed the media almost everything that KP did to keep mum on the content in the maligning texts is rather suspicious. Had it been the team tactics, i have no doubt that ECB would have made it public and removed KP forever. I guess it should be some foul mouth of the captain and other team members. And, its a acceptable thing for using bad language as all use it..

  • satish619chandar on September 3, 2012, 4:36 GMT

    Let the talks begin and the issue resolved soon. Cricket misses KP and ECB too will sooner. KP too will miss the platform which gave him the superstar status.

  • Commenter123 on September 4, 2012, 16:54 GMT

    Vinoth , No one man can save a team. Even Sachin could not bring worldcup for 20 years. Cricket is a team game. I don't understand why it's so hard to grasp that?

  • ooper_cut on September 4, 2012, 11:15 GMT

    Guess it might be time for ECB to go cricket hunting in SA again. This time they can also cover Zimbabwe, might get a Hick or a flower too.

  • 158notout on September 3, 2012, 10:59 GMT

    Jeez, is this still going on. Once again we see a definite line down the middle here. Pretty much all england fans say good riddance, some things are more important that winning (e.g. respect for teammates) and also that the team is more important than the individual and that there can not be one rule for one and another for the rest. Most Indian fans seem to be happy with all the misdemeanour's as long as he is one of the best batsmen. This highlights a difference in cricket culture in the two countries. India is happy to go down the idol worship route and be held to ransom by players if they return the favour with performance. england rather build up a team to challenge even if it means sacrificing the best player if they dont toe the line. Interesting. Unsurprisingly as an England fan I agree with the ECB. Would be happy if KP was dropped permanently but, if HE can sort himself out and abide by the standards, morals and rules laid out then perhaps there is a way back for KP

  • whyowhy on September 3, 2012, 10:46 GMT

    Maybe Flower can fix him up to play for Zimbabwe ......... How many IPL's will he need to qualify to play for Zimbabwe ??

  • on September 3, 2012, 10:14 GMT

    Hurahh... KP should be be back... He is man who can save English cricket and it was he who brought England to Glory.

  • JG2704 on September 3, 2012, 7:56 GMT

    @satish619chandar on (September 03 2012, 04:39 AM GMT) PS - I do hope it is resolved but I'm not sure it will be. I think trust is a big issue here. If KP had kicked off behind closed doors but to the individuals faces then I'm sure it would be easier to work around. I'm certainly not going to judge KP or ECB until I know what was said in the texts. But if KP feels hard done by then how can any of us say whether he is being hard done by until we know what he said?

  • JG2704 on September 3, 2012, 7:51 GMT

    @maximum6 on (September 01 2012, 22:47 PM GMT) I've tried to respond to you on the other thread and put across 2/3 lengthy posts (several times inc on this thread) re KP and Karthik but for whatever reason ESPN have not published which is a shame but there you go

  • JG2704 on September 3, 2012, 7:48 GMT

    @satish619chandar on (September 03 2012, 04:39 AM GMT) Who knows? I have heard rumours that it was about tactics etc , but no one knows for sure. Not sure why ECB have not published the texts etc. Could simply be that they want to keep the matter hushed until it has all been resolved one way or the other. Whatever happens I've not heard KP say one word about him being harshly treated re this particular matter and Kp is not usually shy with his opinions. Reading between the lines it suggests that KP knows what he said/did was very wrong

  • satish619chandar on September 3, 2012, 4:39 GMT

    @JG2704 : That makes me wonder what the heck is going on. For ECB who revealed the media almost everything that KP did to keep mum on the content in the maligning texts is rather suspicious. Had it been the team tactics, i have no doubt that ECB would have made it public and removed KP forever. I guess it should be some foul mouth of the captain and other team members. And, its a acceptable thing for using bad language as all use it..

  • satish619chandar on September 3, 2012, 4:36 GMT

    Let the talks begin and the issue resolved soon. Cricket misses KP and ECB too will sooner. KP too will miss the platform which gave him the superstar status.

  • Lakpj on September 3, 2012, 3:57 GMT

    They need him India, pushing and Prodding kind of players like Trott won't make a big deal in India. With KP around it would give opportunities to other batsman to score more. The only reason that England drew the test series in SL earlier this year was KPs century, if not for him they would have lost that series. England need KP and KP needs to fire if Eng are to make a match of India.

  • TheGreatestGameEverPlayed on September 2, 2012, 19:53 GMT

    Its a about money. So what ?????? KP even admitted that anybody in the right mind wouldn't turned down such a contract he received from IPL. Everybody likes to make a couple of more bucks. All other countries (except UK) are coping with the league situation 'n cutting some slacks for the players, So they can go 'n make some money while fulfilling their national duties. We love ya..KP...

  • on September 2, 2012, 19:43 GMT

    For all those who feel/believe that KP should not play again, my take is simple. The game would be poorer if KP is made to sit out. Players like him need to be better managed. In this whole saga, the fault lies at the door of the English team management and the bloated egos of ECB. Impact players like KP and Gayle need to play international cricket. They bring crowds into the stands. Lets hope that Flower, Morris and Co. get their priorities right.

  • Sachin_the_god_forever on September 2, 2012, 16:18 GMT

    Coach ZIMBABWEAN needs this SOUTHAFRICAN who wants to play in the INDIAN Premier league..:-D

  • JG2704 on September 2, 2012, 14:50 GMT

    The thing is that no one here - those saying KP should never play for England again or those who say he should be reinstated straight away - knows exactly what those texts said.KP has said in the past that he wasn't looked after by England and England never let those comments affect his selection for tests so surely it must have been worse than that. Now to me those comms would already rub me up the wrong way so how bad must his texts have been?The facts are that if KP has not been looked after and everyone has been so anti him then why is he determined to still play for England? Also I've not seen one thing from KP denying that there was any bad content in the texts or saying that he was harshly treated re the axe which surely anyone who felt hard done by would. Re Swann and Broad and Jimmy getting treated differently well as I read ECB wanted to speak to Broad and he cooperated fully.If KP won't even give his side of events then how can anyone judge ECB treating him differently?

  • on September 2, 2012, 12:09 GMT

    Quite amusing to see that neither the Indian nor the English fans are relishing the idea of KP playing again anytime soon. If England want to remain competitive I think they need him though. It's not going to be easy for them with just three settled batsmen in their team.

  • on September 2, 2012, 10:58 GMT

    KP must NEVER play for England again, the guy cares ONLY about himself and has already turned his back on South Africa for his own good.We need 11 players who cares about the team.

  • VSinha29 on September 2, 2012, 10:54 GMT

    I hope ECB reinstates him only after the England tour of India.

  • Hira1 on September 2, 2012, 8:54 GMT

    Flower has no choice but to bring KP back or else he will face the same fate as that of Strauss after the India series..........

  • cricraz on September 2, 2012, 8:06 GMT

    i hope they dont reach compromise! I dont want KP touring India because he is one english batsman than can destroy Indian bowling in Indian conditions. If Andy agrees with KP which is unlikely, I hope the english maintain their elitist ways and reinstate him next year just to prove their alleged superiority

  • cric_fan_ on September 2, 2012, 7:53 GMT

    ECB, Flower talking to KP means he'll be back in English side, it's just a matter of time and what statements are issued to the public.

  • getsetgopk on September 2, 2012, 6:04 GMT

    Expect Andy to deliver and knock out punch in round one of this bout, c'mon Andy

  • CrICkeeet on September 2, 2012, 4:24 GMT

    Honestly i'v 2 say eng need kp....its d tym 2 solve it, he's a big asset in eng battng....2 keep wc dey must brng back him

  • on September 2, 2012, 4:10 GMT

    I think one rotten apple is not to be tolerated, no matter the sweetness of that apple...

  • phoenixsteve on September 2, 2012, 3:42 GMT

    @plow and wiseshah.... You guys have vaild points but are thinking ahead of the pack. Eventually all true cricket supporters (not fans/fanatics) will come to see things your way! It just takes time for some people to appreciate the difference between burgers and fillet mignon? You'll see.... pass the bearnaise sauce please....... COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • Sinhaya on September 2, 2012, 3:41 GMT

    I think KP should be slapped a hefty fine of say GBP 100,000 and be allowed back into the side immediately. KP is too good to be dropped. He only helped England win the 2nd test in Colombo this year. KP is the best player of spin bowling among the English.

  • plow on September 2, 2012, 1:37 GMT

    Man I'm tired of the IPL, please make it go away... Let tests rule supreme. The only format worth following as a fan.

  • wiseshah on September 2, 2012, 1:27 GMT

    stop IPL and other T20 league--all problem will be solved.

  • 2.14istherunrate on September 1, 2012, 22:47 GMT

    @pr3m- Pretty near the money. there has been alot of stuff siad about everyone playing by the same rules. So be it..lets see some sort of evidence of it, and a whole load of contrition going back towards Pietersen. Also just an acknowledgement that the management just has not been there except to treat the best player like a naughty little school boy. Also the online abuse of KP by writers who should have learnt some responsiblity by now. I have been gobsmacked at how much people have not been fairminded or themselves shown any degree of respect for this player. Appalling.

  • on September 1, 2012, 22:44 GMT

    Opening the IPL window would be ideal for England to play a first test or two (short series) against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh or Ireland, Holland Afghanistan or even a mixed associates XI. They could put out a 60% team giving newer test nations experience. The first two tests for the last how-many years have been the most vulnerable to weather and take place when everyone is at work anyway. I've come to the conclusion that a compromise is needed. The USA is a red herring. It will not provide anything like the pull of the IPL unless the country (With a population about a third of India) takes to it in such a massive way that players get huge bucks for it. That's not going to happen year on year - the crowds and advertising pull won't justify it. IPL should be international cricket league though. - and one day it probably will have to be. London in the UK could have a franchise - Jo-berg and wherever. Compromise is needed.

  • MattyP1979 on September 1, 2012, 22:21 GMT

    Would love to see this issue resolved one way or the other. A confident team playing KP would be an asset to Eng, but as most Eng fans agree we want him back only on our terms. Real shame but this is sadly becoming a part of cricket.

  • yorkslanka on September 1, 2012, 22:01 GMT

    personally i think that irrespective if how good a player KP is( and i personally think so) it really sends the wrong message to allow him back into the England fold..If this was the case it then appears that He and Strauss had a difference and yet again, he is the man who stays in the team...poor show imho..as for those who hate the IPL,they are of course entitled to their opinion but I have to ask if the english T20 was just as successful as the IPl & BBL, would there be any complaints, i seriously doubt it..jealousy is a dangerous thing...

  • pr3m on September 1, 2012, 21:10 GMT

    Full, honest apology. Where's KP's apology? How about an apology from Swann and Anderson? How about an apology from the captain for allowing the stuff to be said in the dressing room?

    KP messaged his mates about his captain, but Swann and Anderson denigrated him in public.

    Where's the apology from the ECB for leaking EVERYTHING KP has been involved in, in the past three years? Full, honest apology...

  • warneneverchuck on September 1, 2012, 20:40 GMT

    IPL will exists as long as cricket will be played on the earth.

  • Nutcutlet on September 1, 2012, 18:28 GMT

    Should there be a resolution to this impasse, I wonder if something will have to appear on paper: signed/ countersigned & in triplicate. If reason prevails on both sides, this is still salvageable. And that is what everyone outside the meeting room would want. Let's wish all parties even tempers, generous natures and a mutually agreeable outcome.

  • phoenixsteve on September 1, 2012, 17:44 GMT

    I'm not especially a fan of KP the man but I am an admirer of KP the cricketer. For England to waste such talent would be a crime! The coming year or two will give England a chance to rule cricket ala Australia. It's hrad to see this without the special talent of KP - particualrly if he performs like he did in the second test? I disagree with KP about the IPL though. I think it only has a limited shelf life and I for one have already become bored with it all! It's OK frivalrous fun but it's not real cricket and it's only the sub-continent explotation of Indian success and the fans short term attention spans that feed the success? Where does world cricket go after T20? Maybe it will be T10 or T5 with 4 teams all playing the same day..... I'm hoping that KP gets another chance and I'd guess that Cook would like to have him in the side. Even Broad too.... but I feel there are ego clashes there? COME ON ENGLAND!!!

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  • phoenixsteve on September 1, 2012, 17:44 GMT

    I'm not especially a fan of KP the man but I am an admirer of KP the cricketer. For England to waste such talent would be a crime! The coming year or two will give England a chance to rule cricket ala Australia. It's hrad to see this without the special talent of KP - particualrly if he performs like he did in the second test? I disagree with KP about the IPL though. I think it only has a limited shelf life and I for one have already become bored with it all! It's OK frivalrous fun but it's not real cricket and it's only the sub-continent explotation of Indian success and the fans short term attention spans that feed the success? Where does world cricket go after T20? Maybe it will be T10 or T5 with 4 teams all playing the same day..... I'm hoping that KP gets another chance and I'd guess that Cook would like to have him in the side. Even Broad too.... but I feel there are ego clashes there? COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • Nutcutlet on September 1, 2012, 18:28 GMT

    Should there be a resolution to this impasse, I wonder if something will have to appear on paper: signed/ countersigned & in triplicate. If reason prevails on both sides, this is still salvageable. And that is what everyone outside the meeting room would want. Let's wish all parties even tempers, generous natures and a mutually agreeable outcome.

  • warneneverchuck on September 1, 2012, 20:40 GMT

    IPL will exists as long as cricket will be played on the earth.

  • pr3m on September 1, 2012, 21:10 GMT

    Full, honest apology. Where's KP's apology? How about an apology from Swann and Anderson? How about an apology from the captain for allowing the stuff to be said in the dressing room?

    KP messaged his mates about his captain, but Swann and Anderson denigrated him in public.

    Where's the apology from the ECB for leaking EVERYTHING KP has been involved in, in the past three years? Full, honest apology...

  • yorkslanka on September 1, 2012, 22:01 GMT

    personally i think that irrespective if how good a player KP is( and i personally think so) it really sends the wrong message to allow him back into the England fold..If this was the case it then appears that He and Strauss had a difference and yet again, he is the man who stays in the team...poor show imho..as for those who hate the IPL,they are of course entitled to their opinion but I have to ask if the english T20 was just as successful as the IPl & BBL, would there be any complaints, i seriously doubt it..jealousy is a dangerous thing...

  • MattyP1979 on September 1, 2012, 22:21 GMT

    Would love to see this issue resolved one way or the other. A confident team playing KP would be an asset to Eng, but as most Eng fans agree we want him back only on our terms. Real shame but this is sadly becoming a part of cricket.

  • on September 1, 2012, 22:44 GMT

    Opening the IPL window would be ideal for England to play a first test or two (short series) against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh or Ireland, Holland Afghanistan or even a mixed associates XI. They could put out a 60% team giving newer test nations experience. The first two tests for the last how-many years have been the most vulnerable to weather and take place when everyone is at work anyway. I've come to the conclusion that a compromise is needed. The USA is a red herring. It will not provide anything like the pull of the IPL unless the country (With a population about a third of India) takes to it in such a massive way that players get huge bucks for it. That's not going to happen year on year - the crowds and advertising pull won't justify it. IPL should be international cricket league though. - and one day it probably will have to be. London in the UK could have a franchise - Jo-berg and wherever. Compromise is needed.

  • 2.14istherunrate on September 1, 2012, 22:47 GMT

    @pr3m- Pretty near the money. there has been alot of stuff siad about everyone playing by the same rules. So be it..lets see some sort of evidence of it, and a whole load of contrition going back towards Pietersen. Also just an acknowledgement that the management just has not been there except to treat the best player like a naughty little school boy. Also the online abuse of KP by writers who should have learnt some responsiblity by now. I have been gobsmacked at how much people have not been fairminded or themselves shown any degree of respect for this player. Appalling.

  • wiseshah on September 2, 2012, 1:27 GMT

    stop IPL and other T20 league--all problem will be solved.

  • plow on September 2, 2012, 1:37 GMT

    Man I'm tired of the IPL, please make it go away... Let tests rule supreme. The only format worth following as a fan.