England news February 9, 2014

Pietersen lost England trust - Strauss

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Debate has continued to swirl around the sudden termination of Kevin Pietersen's international career, with former England captain Andrew Strauss citing a "total absence of trust" as the reason behind the ECB's decision.

The move to leave Pietersen out of England's future plans has sharply divided opinion, amid a sense of public disgruntlement about the lack of transparency from the ECB. Little information has been forthcoming, beyond the ECB's stated desire to rebuild "team ethic and philosophy".

It was suggested that the ECB would release a statement further clarifying the situation on Sunday, though confidentiality clauses pertaining to the end Pietersen's central contract and underlying legal issues would doubtless have limited its scope.

Strauss, writing in the Sunday Times, said that a lack of trust was the deciding factor in the ECB ending the career of England's leading international run-scorer. Describing the nine-year arrangement between Pietersen and England as being like an "illicit affair", Strauss said that the disastrous tour of Australia, which ended in an Ashes whitewash, had reopened old wounds.

Strauss was at the centre of one of the most controversial Pietersen episodes, when the batsman admitted to sending "provocative" texts to South Africa's players during the 2012 series; his reintegration only came about after Strauss' retirement at the end of that summer. Strauss at the time referred to "underlying issues on trust and respect" when explaining why Pietersen had been dropped and he returned to those themes in his newspaper column.

"Without trust, the team environment is stillborn," Strauss wrote. "It is for this reason that Kevin Pietersen's international career had to be brought to an end. The media have been searching for a 'smoking gun'. Everyone is looking for disciplinary problems, bust-ups and character clashes, but they are looking for the wrong thing. The smoking gun is the total absence of trust.

"What happened in Australia from November onwards, when the heat of the furnace was fixed on the embattled side, was that old grievances came back to the surface. Past history weighed too heavily. Trust still did not exist. His relationship with English cricket has been like an illicit affair. Full of thrills and excitement, but destined to end in tears."

There was support for Pietersen to be found among former colleagues, however. Steve Harmison, who was in the team alongside Pietersen as England memorably reclaimed the Ashes in 2005, called the ECB "arrogant" over its handling of the situation, while the Sunday Mirror went so far as to claim that Stuart Broad, the T20 captain, wanted Pietersen in the squad for the World Twenty20 in Bangladesh.

Broad was among those consulted by Paul Downton, England's managing director, in his review of the Australia tour and it is believed that he felt the T20 team would be stronger for Pietersen's involvement. However, after meeting with Alastair Cook, the Test and ODI captain, and Ashley Giles, the limited-overs coach, Downton decided to draw a line under Pietersen's England career.

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  • Cubey on February 11, 2014, 3:26 GMT

    They should've made Pietersen Captain.

    Cook can't handle the pressure, and he hasn't got the talent. Cook NEEDS to drop the captaincy to focus on his batting again.

  • JG2704 on February 10, 2014, 22:49 GMT

    @jmcilhinney on (February 10, 2014, 0:38 GMT) The fans are owed nothing but I still think the fans (not so much the armchair fans like myself but the ones who attend games) deserve to know exactly what has gone on. It's not like textgate where he was suspended and there was still hope. They have ended his career. Of course it could be that they have very good reason but if it leads to fans boycotting games then ECB have only themselves to blame for not being open. I harp back to my mentioning of the Tevez/Mancini incident - how Mancini reacted and how he got the fans support. Re Strauss - if he has no exact info he should not be saying what went on when it is just guesswork based on what he experienced. Again it would have been good if he enlightened us on what happened in his era - some examples and not just come across as "he did bad things but I cant say what they are but trust me"

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on February 10, 2014, 19:51 GMT

    Cook is clueless. Simple as that. When you call for a meeting, you have to hear the opposing viewpoints. Looks like Cook is not only clueless but also arrogant beyond belief. I would love to see KP playing for his Motherland South Africa. It's a shame that such a talented player is being kicked around by all and sundry. He still has a lot more to offer to cricket in all forms of the game. SA should welcome him with love and respect. That'll be his second wind. IPL loves him, as we all know already. KP should just move on from this ill-conceived 'illicit affair'. He never was an English player and he never will be. Strauss, another South African, should just take it easy and relax. He was an average and boring batsman and an even worse writer. Thanks but no thanks. Love and sympathies to KP - from India.

  • Lord_mac on February 10, 2014, 15:31 GMT

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Clarke and Cook have both won and lost exactly the same number of Ashes series. So it's 1-1 as things stand.

    Go back to the India series when the Aussie camp was in disarray and people were being sent home - their performance at the time was hopeless. Then they put their house in order. Now they are a good (but not great) side again.

    What England is now doing is no different. The ECB has identified the problems and made changes. In their judgement, Cook has fallen on the right side of the line, though whether he would be better advised to focus on his batting is a question to addressed.

    I see no reason by 2015 that England should not be competitive in the next Ashes series - in fact, I expect them to win it. I believe that the young players available to England are at least as good as those available to the Australians.

    We cannot have the process of rebuilding disrupted by one man of whom the statistics show is clearly past his best.

  • on February 10, 2014, 14:00 GMT

    There's no doubting of KP's ability as a batsman and the destructive/innovative brilliance he's capable of. But that doesn't give him the right to constantly undermine the Captain or Coach, when he has a issue. By all means voice your opinion, but for communications to completely break down, is the behaviour of petulant teenagers, not grown adults trying to address the problem for the greater-good. The bottom line is this, if they (ECB) decided to rebuild around youth, so much depends on the few seniors that remain to guide and show the youngsters that they're united as one. Having a maverick in the team brings unpredictability and great box-office entertainment. But at the same time having someone whose shown in the past, that he plays and performs to win, but doesn't adjust or play to the circumstances of whatever situation the team is in, is confirmation that he's not a "team" player and the ECB feel justified in not trusting his loyalties towards them or his team-mates.

  • amitgarg78 on February 10, 2014, 13:33 GMT

    I wonder if Strauss felt the same all these years basking the collective glory that KP was significantly contributing to, or if this is still a residue of the "text gate". Strauss could be forgiven if he still carries grudges but the fact is, KP has been the standout cricketer during his time and even his own behavior doesn't warrant being chewed and spat out. It wasn't "always" meant to end in tears...

  • ThirteenthMan on February 10, 2014, 10:39 GMT

    I see people supporting Pietersen and blaming the ECB and Cook. Do they really think they know better than Andrew Strauss?

    Probably they do think that. It doesn't mean they do! Best ignore their nonsense.

  • bobmartin on February 10, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    I have a theory.. no evidence.. just an idea. Cook... after having a one-to-one meeting with Pietersen was instrumental in bringing him back into the England side after his disgraceful antics over the SA text messages. Clearly, Cook must have got some assurances from Pietersen and decided to trust him. Now Cook has been part of a decision to get rid of Pietersen.. So one has to have more than a little suspicion... and it seems logical to deduce.. that somewhere along the line for some reason that trust has broken down and Cook feels betrayed. It must have been something more than a little dressing room spat. Cook is far too nice and sensible a guy to let something as simple as that lead him to come to a decision as serious as he did.......

  • Sleepingfreddyb on February 10, 2014, 9:33 GMT

    A lot of comments and opinions. Unfortunately for the fans, it is the rest of the England team who has to share the dressing room with him, not the fans. Cook has backed himself. He's backed himself to win the ashes back as well as backing himself to be to the top run scorer of his generation. Only time will tell to see how this pans out.

  • JG2704 on February 10, 2014, 9:27 GMT

    Finally , I'm starting to think it's not so much what KP said/did - but who he said/did it to/about? I believed in ECB re textgate but then when Clarke came out and said he believed there was nothing derogatory in the texts (on KP's return) it made me wonder about ECB's values here. I wish a journalist would have said to him "Then why was he suspended and why did KP apologise?"

    Interesting that 2 of the players who were supposed to have fallen out with KP in 2012 (Swann and Broad) have both publicly backed him now

  • Cubey on February 11, 2014, 3:26 GMT

    They should've made Pietersen Captain.

    Cook can't handle the pressure, and he hasn't got the talent. Cook NEEDS to drop the captaincy to focus on his batting again.

  • JG2704 on February 10, 2014, 22:49 GMT

    @jmcilhinney on (February 10, 2014, 0:38 GMT) The fans are owed nothing but I still think the fans (not so much the armchair fans like myself but the ones who attend games) deserve to know exactly what has gone on. It's not like textgate where he was suspended and there was still hope. They have ended his career. Of course it could be that they have very good reason but if it leads to fans boycotting games then ECB have only themselves to blame for not being open. I harp back to my mentioning of the Tevez/Mancini incident - how Mancini reacted and how he got the fans support. Re Strauss - if he has no exact info he should not be saying what went on when it is just guesswork based on what he experienced. Again it would have been good if he enlightened us on what happened in his era - some examples and not just come across as "he did bad things but I cant say what they are but trust me"

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on February 10, 2014, 19:51 GMT

    Cook is clueless. Simple as that. When you call for a meeting, you have to hear the opposing viewpoints. Looks like Cook is not only clueless but also arrogant beyond belief. I would love to see KP playing for his Motherland South Africa. It's a shame that such a talented player is being kicked around by all and sundry. He still has a lot more to offer to cricket in all forms of the game. SA should welcome him with love and respect. That'll be his second wind. IPL loves him, as we all know already. KP should just move on from this ill-conceived 'illicit affair'. He never was an English player and he never will be. Strauss, another South African, should just take it easy and relax. He was an average and boring batsman and an even worse writer. Thanks but no thanks. Love and sympathies to KP - from India.

  • Lord_mac on February 10, 2014, 15:31 GMT

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Clarke and Cook have both won and lost exactly the same number of Ashes series. So it's 1-1 as things stand.

    Go back to the India series when the Aussie camp was in disarray and people were being sent home - their performance at the time was hopeless. Then they put their house in order. Now they are a good (but not great) side again.

    What England is now doing is no different. The ECB has identified the problems and made changes. In their judgement, Cook has fallen on the right side of the line, though whether he would be better advised to focus on his batting is a question to addressed.

    I see no reason by 2015 that England should not be competitive in the next Ashes series - in fact, I expect them to win it. I believe that the young players available to England are at least as good as those available to the Australians.

    We cannot have the process of rebuilding disrupted by one man of whom the statistics show is clearly past his best.

  • on February 10, 2014, 14:00 GMT

    There's no doubting of KP's ability as a batsman and the destructive/innovative brilliance he's capable of. But that doesn't give him the right to constantly undermine the Captain or Coach, when he has a issue. By all means voice your opinion, but for communications to completely break down, is the behaviour of petulant teenagers, not grown adults trying to address the problem for the greater-good. The bottom line is this, if they (ECB) decided to rebuild around youth, so much depends on the few seniors that remain to guide and show the youngsters that they're united as one. Having a maverick in the team brings unpredictability and great box-office entertainment. But at the same time having someone whose shown in the past, that he plays and performs to win, but doesn't adjust or play to the circumstances of whatever situation the team is in, is confirmation that he's not a "team" player and the ECB feel justified in not trusting his loyalties towards them or his team-mates.

  • amitgarg78 on February 10, 2014, 13:33 GMT

    I wonder if Strauss felt the same all these years basking the collective glory that KP was significantly contributing to, or if this is still a residue of the "text gate". Strauss could be forgiven if he still carries grudges but the fact is, KP has been the standout cricketer during his time and even his own behavior doesn't warrant being chewed and spat out. It wasn't "always" meant to end in tears...

  • ThirteenthMan on February 10, 2014, 10:39 GMT

    I see people supporting Pietersen and blaming the ECB and Cook. Do they really think they know better than Andrew Strauss?

    Probably they do think that. It doesn't mean they do! Best ignore their nonsense.

  • bobmartin on February 10, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    I have a theory.. no evidence.. just an idea. Cook... after having a one-to-one meeting with Pietersen was instrumental in bringing him back into the England side after his disgraceful antics over the SA text messages. Clearly, Cook must have got some assurances from Pietersen and decided to trust him. Now Cook has been part of a decision to get rid of Pietersen.. So one has to have more than a little suspicion... and it seems logical to deduce.. that somewhere along the line for some reason that trust has broken down and Cook feels betrayed. It must have been something more than a little dressing room spat. Cook is far too nice and sensible a guy to let something as simple as that lead him to come to a decision as serious as he did.......

  • Sleepingfreddyb on February 10, 2014, 9:33 GMT

    A lot of comments and opinions. Unfortunately for the fans, it is the rest of the England team who has to share the dressing room with him, not the fans. Cook has backed himself. He's backed himself to win the ashes back as well as backing himself to be to the top run scorer of his generation. Only time will tell to see how this pans out.

  • JG2704 on February 10, 2014, 9:27 GMT

    Finally , I'm starting to think it's not so much what KP said/did - but who he said/did it to/about? I believed in ECB re textgate but then when Clarke came out and said he believed there was nothing derogatory in the texts (on KP's return) it made me wonder about ECB's values here. I wish a journalist would have said to him "Then why was he suspended and why did KP apologise?"

    Interesting that 2 of the players who were supposed to have fallen out with KP in 2012 (Swann and Broad) have both publicly backed him now

  • JG2704 on February 10, 2014, 9:20 GMT

    CTD So I'm thinking that if KP said what he thinks (which could be what many of us fans think) re some of Cook/Flower's methods then it could be that the 2 just clashed and there is only likely to be one winner if push came to shove. I also wonder why ECB could not have just seen out KP's contract and then just not offered him a new one rather than pay severance for the rest of this one? I believe it's only a year long anyway and also am I right in thinking that Cook is no part of the WI series and I think only Root,Bres and Broad (from the test set up) are part of the T20 squad and Broad as captain stated that he wanted KP in the squad. So I wonder if the ECB could have just saw out the contract rather than end it and take a gamble on him with the ODI series in WI and T20WC which are shorter series and therefore less likely frictions will resurface - esp without Cook being around. They could then just drop him from the next Cook involved series and say goodbye after that.

  • JG2704 on February 10, 2014, 9:09 GMT

    Anyone see the verdict programe on Sky?

    Interesting analysis.

    What I picked up from the program were that there were rumours re KP losing the dressing room after a meeting of the players got heated and KP said some things about Flower's methods/Cook's tactics etc and Matt Prior not being good enough.

    Now if he said Prior isnt good enough then that is bang wrong. To say that about any team mate is discouraging and hurtful - esp bad as Prior was huge in KPs return to the set up. But re the other stuff , isnt that what open meetings are about - to get things off your chest. Unless what he said was beyond vile then surely there should be no reprocussions. What's the point in having such meetings if there are no suggestions and if his suggestions didnt go down well then that comes down to poor management. I've seen how Cook has reacted when people have dared to criticise some of his tactics and he comes across as arrogant to the extreme.

  • on February 10, 2014, 8:57 GMT

    They can say what they want. It's a mistake and KP is better than all of em. especially Strauss who was lucky to be im a team full of talent.

  • JG2704 on February 10, 2014, 8:56 GMT

    @jmcilhinney on (February 10, 2014, 0:38 GMT) The fans are owed nothing but I still think the fans (not so much the armchair fans like myself but the ones who attend games) deserve to know exactly what has gone on. It's not like textgate where he was suspended and there was still hope. They have ended his career. Of course it could be that they have very good reason but if it leads to fans boycotting games then ECB have only themselves to blame for not being open. I harp back to my mentioning of the Tevez/Mancini incident - how Mancini reacted and how he got the fans support. Re Strauss - if he has no exact info he should not be saying what went on when it is just guesswork based on what he experienced. Again it would have been good if he enlightened us on what happened in his era - some examples and not just come across as "he did bad things but I cant say what they are but trust me"

  • disco_bob on February 10, 2014, 8:29 GMT

    They "trusted" KP to deliver in India, and he did in the most emphatic way possible. But now they have untrusted him. It's the ECB who cannot be trusted not Pietersen. To me this who episode reeks of petty jealousy and ego. Bottom line is that he was too much of a show pony, but that what people pay to see. I think that it would just stick in the craw of ECB if KP, got to 10000 runs, and played for another 2 years because then they will have missed their opportunity to sack him. They had that opportunity in the wake of the textgate scandal and chose not to exercise it then, (wisely as it turned out). This is the most small minded petty destructive faction riddled decision of self interested nobodies that one could ever hope to see.

  • on February 10, 2014, 7:08 GMT

    why do trott and swan want nothing to do with England either. it's their entire set up. not Peterson's fault, he is being honest. he just wants England to win.

  • on February 10, 2014, 6:44 GMT

    As I see it Cook is one of two major problem. The other being the ECB. Cook is not captaincy material. He is not pro active, lacks vision, fails to inspire ,fails to read the situation and captains to a script. Relieve him of the captaincy and I am sure he'll be back to his best ,scoring million of runs. That's "moving forward"

  • disco_bob on February 10, 2014, 6:22 GMT

    I don't see why the ECB sack Pietersen for losing trust in them, seems perfectly reasonable to me.

  • 5wombats on February 10, 2014, 6:18 GMT

    @jmcilhinney Hello again mate. Mmm... I'm not so sure England are suffering from a lack of talent. It's the management of that talent is the smoking hole in the ground. It's easy to forget that only a year ago England handily beat India in India - England looked pretty talented there (from what I gather). And then England handed Aussie 3-0 just 6 months ago. There is no lack of talent. But when people like Trott & Swann walk out mid-tour and then we get smacked 5-0 it looks bad - for absolute sure there is something deeply, deeply wrong with the whole set up. I'll probably cop a heap from my English friends - but this 5-0 result looks worse than it is (and God knows it looks bad enough...). That team turned up here last November (jeez seems like a long time ago now!) as favourites!! Now - how did that team end up looking so pathetic? Same players who beat Ind and Aus... It has to be down to management. Be interesting now to see if Strauss & KP will share a commentary box....lol...

  • jmcilhinney on February 10, 2014, 5:48 GMT

    @Nuxxy on (February 9, 2014, 17:40 GMT), but would an unhappy environment lead to those wins? I doubt it. England is down right now and need to pick themselves up. That's unlikely to happen if there are issues within. Losing a talent like KP may well lead to more short-term pain but I'm sure that the ECB is looking beyond that.

    Let me just say that I am not saying that KP should have been sacked but I am saying that there was far more logic to the decision than many seem to believe. I very much doubt that this was a decision taken lightly and I very much doubt that anyone within the ECB believes KP to be the sole, or even primary, reason for the failure in Australia. What they would believe is that ensuring the long-term improvement of England cricket is better served without KP's influence. Exactly what that influence was, none of us know and will almost certainly never know. Does anyone really believe that KP himself wants the ECB's opinion of him made public?

  • jmcilhinney on February 10, 2014, 5:41 GMT

    @PACERONE on (February 9, 2014, 22:38 GMT), I would suggest that Strauss has no such privileged information. He is merely extrapolating from his own days as England captain. he knows what the situation was like with KP then and I don't think anyone thinks that the issues that led to his demise were not simply more of the same. KP had been reintegrated into the team and, had England done well in Australia, everyone could have gone on ignoring the cracks that had been plastered over. Such a poor performance was bound to reveal and lingering issues within the team though, so it all would have come flooding back. England need to do some rebuilding and, if they think that KP is a disruptive influence, it makes sense that they would not want that influence brought to bear on a new wave of players. If the believe that the net result of having KP in the team will not be positive then it makes sense to cut him loose now.

  • Skittled on February 10, 2014, 4:51 GMT

    What a great decision from the almighty ECB! Everybody knows that KP had to go after the Ashes debacle, it was all KP's fault, Cook couldn't score any runs because he couldn't trust KP, same goes with Bell, it was KP's fault that the bowlers were toothless, it was KP's fault that the fielders couldn't take their catches. We know it was KP that forced Cook to set pathetic defensive fields and captain with a negative attitude, it was KP's fault that Prior had no form and KP forced Trott to crack under the pressure and pull out. Worst of all though KP had the highest average, how dare he insult the great Cook by outscoring him. Also, lets not forget KP forced Graeme Swan to retire mid tour.

    Once again the great ECB does what is best for England and the fans. Completely unbiased review of the Ashes, no ego's at work here, and such transparency. Well done ECB thank you, looking forward to watching ENG get thrashed repeatedly for the next five years or so. *raucous applause*

  • on February 10, 2014, 2:45 GMT

    May be the players were of the belief that KP will deliberately drop a catch or throw his wicket away, or make his team mates "run out". Come on Andrew (I was always a fan of yours) but this is ridiculous.

  • on February 10, 2014, 2:29 GMT

    Of all team games ,cricket is the only one where individual skill and performance contribute significantly to the result of a match. A batsman is on his own to score runs . To a greater extend he does not have to depend on any other team member, baring run outs and holding one end up. This is in stark contrast to games like football where each player depends on other players every second of the game to score goals or defend in strength. If England is to prosper we need every Pieterson in the land in the team and not less.

  • on February 10, 2014, 2:12 GMT

    If it's all down to one man KP then ENG could have dropped him and win the series 4-1 in Australia! He is the best performer and he has win matches, urn and trophy for ENG! It's certainly not an illicit affair! He demands the respect via his performance! It'd the fault of the captain, board and coach for not having the ability to manage a star player among the ordinary!

  • njr1330 on February 10, 2014, 1:48 GMT

    'You pay your money, and you takes your choice' goes the expression. Well, after watching Test cricket for 40 years, I've made my choice, and I won't be paying my money!

  • jmcilhinney on February 10, 2014, 0:38 GMT

    @ py0alb on (February 9, 2014, 19:38 GMT), the fans are owed nothing of the sort. I guess I fall into the 10% of England fans that you don't speak for.

    There's no doubt that KP is an excellent player, bordering on great. No team could lose a player of that calibre and not feel it and, the way England are playing at the moment, you'd think that they'd feel it more than most. That said, it's obvious that there's more going on with England right now than just a lack of talent. I wouldn't suggest that KP is responsible for all of it but I would suggest that he may well be responsible for more of it than many are willing to consider. I can't imagine that the ECB would take the stance that they have if it was not the case. England need to get the best out of all their players if they are going to improve and they obviously believe that keeping KP around is detrimental to that cause. If they were to reveal their reasoning then there's every chance that it would lead to legal action from KP.

  • PACERONE on February 9, 2014, 22:38 GMT

    When Strauss was the captain and they had the problem with the passing of mail to S.A team Strauss would not speak about what was said.Now that he is not a member of the team he is willing to give information that he should not know about.Who passed this information on to him?Cook is a weak individual ,same as Strauss was.They do not portrait confidence in themselves and say what is acceptable and makes no sense.Cook should of been saying that the team is a lousy team...except Broad and Stokes...and played like it.How does Bell not get blamed for the poor strokes he continued to play>Boycott could not bat like kevin and we know that he has a jealous streak in him.He was dropped once for scoring too slowly.Now he is constantly blaming kevin for trying to make things happen.Strauss and Cook as captains just waited for the other team to make mistakes.How is Eoin Morgan going to play on this team?He will play an aggressive game and if he fails he will be blamed.Cook has to go.

  • keemoa on February 9, 2014, 22:35 GMT

    Establishment folk will always look down on gifted people with balls " do as i say, not what i do "

  • Big_Chikka on February 9, 2014, 22:05 GMT

    TRUST is a two way street................................!

  • mark_aus on February 9, 2014, 22:02 GMT

    KP was a team man . Why not use same stick for all other players ? Prior spoke openly . It seems that there is more than TEAM CULTURE . This people are zealous of KP popularity . Even though I am Aussie I love fighters .The only fighter I could see this ASHES or for that matter over this years in England team it was KP .

    I bet now they will have Cook "pets" in team , but I am sure POMS will not win Ashes or World Cup in coming years . This team building is show . England will be battered in coming days . As an AUSSIE I will sit and enjoy it. On one hand I am sad that we have lost a BLOCKBUSTER in cricket , but on other hand very happy and sorry For English that there will no KP henceforth who will win matches single hand . RIP English cricket !!!!

  • Kelum_w on February 9, 2014, 22:00 GMT

    @Darren Cook, people often make the mistake of looking at batsman's average across globally rather than looking at it in the individual country stats column first. Yes compared to world beaters KPs average of 47+ looks pretty average but in the context of Eng cricket it's up there among the highest. The top 3 Eng test run scorers are all well below him in the low 40s (Ian Bell is still in the mid 40s), and an Englishman hasn't averaged 50 in probably 45 years (K Barrington 1955-68 being the last). Even the prolific MJ Clarke was averaging in the high 40s until 2 years ago.

  • on February 9, 2014, 21:57 GMT

    English won't have a player like him again, they don't deserve either.

  • on February 9, 2014, 21:53 GMT

    KP is the scapegoat. End of story. Having said that he should've chosen pretty much any other international team to play for other than England. Clearly the ECB doesn't take kindly to opinionated arrogant single minded players. I wish now that he'd come play for Australia!

  • PACERONE on February 9, 2014, 21:42 GMT

    When and why did Cook become such a powerful force in English cricket? I think that he has proved that he is a nervous,insecure and not a very good captain.Broad might be the only player on that tour that tried hard and produced.He shows more knowledge of captaincy than Cook ever did.His bowling showed that he was bowling with a plan.Cook was batting with a plan.Hoping that Australia would bowl lots of lose balls on the leg side or short.he was leaving balls and getting bowled.For the ECB to listen to Cook and not Broad...another lose cannon who speaks his mind..is regrettable.Cook had better start making lots of runs or he will be the next casualty.I hear Boycott saying about kevin not been a team player and that he is selfish.When was Boycott a team player and was there ever a more self centered player in the game? A fellow player was told to deliberately run him out and did.They had a lot of team harmony.England is on a downward spiral that will continue.

  • on February 9, 2014, 21:37 GMT

    @Darren Cook That average is greater than any other English cricketer in the world at the moment.

  • reshgum on February 9, 2014, 21:25 GMT

    What precipitated this was the meeting called by Cook in Australia sans the support staff and the coach where KP vented his opinions about the coach Flower. The meeting was called without the support staff to allow players to vent which means cook suspected (if not knew) that there is a problem regarding the coach and the support staff in general otherwise there was no purpose in keeping them out. Also it meant that whatever is said stays in the room but it was reported back to Flower who must have been livid. As the news reports show Flower after getting back to England was adamant that KP has to go. Who betrayed the trust then? KP or others who reported it to Flower or this was just trap set for KP? Either way the betrayal of trust would from anyone but KP.

  • 64blip on February 9, 2014, 21:24 GMT

    I don't know what that means. Completely empty phrase without accompanying examples.

  • Cubey on February 9, 2014, 21:22 GMT

    If you're going to overhaul the whole team, to toss away the weakest of structures in the team, then surely Cook's captaincy must come into question. He's useless as a captain (except for press interviews, which he excels at). Good captains don't suffer a lose of form. Those struggling to make decisions on the field do. He should go back to focussing on being a batsman...which he's also useless at at the moment. Give the captaincy to someone who can cope with pressure and think clearly and try new things all at the same time. England only have 2 people in the time who fit this bill: Broad and Stokes. England just kicked out the only other option.

  • on February 9, 2014, 21:04 GMT

    I really don't understand what Strauss is on about. What has KP done to lose trust and if he's said or done something they don't like tell him to shut up and keep his opinions to himself. There's a lot of politics in most walks of life and cricket is often no different. All of us here commenting are not national selectors and we aren't privy to the full facts, but is there anyone out there who would not pick KP for the world Twenty/20? KP is clearly someone who can rub people up the wrong way. Tell him he's being a prat and go and get a hundred. Such a disastrous tour will inevitably lead to some finger pointing and I'm sure KP said something he shouldn't, but is it really that bad? Not heat of the moment stuff? Cook and Flower are both fine men and have done so much for English cricket, but they shouldn't measure other peoples integrity with their own. Many people are flawed, complicated and self interested. The ECB need to recognise and manage that.

  • PeerieTrow on February 9, 2014, 21:03 GMT

    Chappelli set out the considerations excellently in his recent article without delivering judgement. If a high performing player becomes a liability in the team construct, and if after exhausting all avenues for compromise remains a disruptive force, then he has to go. There must always be the ability to challenge [advise?] constructively from the ranks; it's the way the best oiled military constructs work. However, that element of challenge/advice must never be to authority, only tactics (captain on the field); the strategic element having been laid down by the coaches and captain off of the field. The captain must consider all options and then decide the best way ahead under the prevailing circumstances. That's when the on-field advisors must accept that their place is to JFDI. Having said all of that, I don't believe history will reflect Cook as being one of England's best captains, unless someone the likes of Strauss, Nas or Mike Brearley takes up the mantle of captain's mentor.

  • skilebow on February 9, 2014, 20:51 GMT

    200ondebut - I'm sorry but while I don't agree with KPs sacking, calling Strauss a pampered diva is ridiculous to anyone who knows anything about cricket!

  • on February 9, 2014, 20:43 GMT

    How can you rebuild a team at the back of retirement, Illness, lack of performances then followed by termination of the best player's contract? Why can't they admit that they under perform at down under as group of players and put it right by sticking together. My conclusion to this episode, by end of the English summer 2014, if Captain fail to score runs and win games then ECB had back the wrong philosophy. So not lot of pressure for Captain him self and perhaps think about his own performances at down under and put it right when he put his next England shirt on.

  • on February 9, 2014, 20:42 GMT

    So then Kevin's re-integration into the team was a total farce? And the team does not trust Kevin to do what? Is he not performing 100%? If he is not, what about rest of the team?

  • mirandola on February 9, 2014, 20:18 GMT

    Pietersen has always been a loose cannon and the only member of 'KP's XI', he should have been sacked three years ago, as he will never be a team player, Three years would have given England time to find a successor, as it is - with it's usual indomitable awkwardness - the ECB has once again shown itself to be a laughing-stock and nonsense among an international set of Cricket Boards who are almost all nearly equally bad jokes.

  • on February 9, 2014, 20:17 GMT

    I'm actually embarrassed by all my fellow England fans that are calling for KP to be brought back, why would anyone want such a selfish trouble maker back in the side, he only averages around 47.5? Not the average of a great player...

  • cloudmess on February 9, 2014, 20:14 GMT

    jrw39 - cricket is an entertainment and the selectors have a duty to pick the best available team for a viewing public who effectively pay their salaries. So it is not unreasonable for such supporters to demand a proper, fact-supported explanation as to why a world-class player has been left out on grounds other than form. If the ECB have acted justly and above board, then why would the truth do them "more harm than good"?

  • liz1558 on February 9, 2014, 19:57 GMT

    @Rod Neil - not much between Willis and Atherton in that regard. Cook is, agreed, an awful captain, and his job needs to be in question. I fear that he's the English Kim Hughes.

  • jonnyboy82 on February 9, 2014, 19:57 GMT

    It seems to me that people within the ECB and the captain have lost the sight of the goal which is to win. I could understand the reason to move on without Pietersen if there were outstanding candidates to fill his shoes (not to mention an opener and number three as well.)

    It's looking like Cook called time on Pietersen and the only conclusion to draw is that it's more to do with his insecurities as captain, and he's acting in his own self interest rather than of the team. The simple truth is that England are better equipped to win with, than without him. Whether you trust him or not is immaterial when you're out in the middle with the ball or bat in your hand.

  • 200ondebut on February 9, 2014, 19:56 GMT

    Trust him to do what exactly Andrew?

    So this is why the other 10 couldn't bat, couldn't bowl and couldn't catch - cos they couldn't trust KP to do............what? Hmmm.. is it to lie to them about how how good they are?

    Sounds like a cliquey thing to me. Nothing to do with actually playing the game - just an excuse for poor performances. KP tells the truth - the pampered divas dont like hearing it. Strauss being one of them.

  • jrw39 on February 9, 2014, 19:51 GMT

    @FawltyBean - I think you are confusing paying money to watch cricket with being able to select the team. If you don't want to pay to watch England any more then don't. If you want to select the team and know all the details of selection decisions then apply for the job.

  • liz1558 on February 9, 2014, 19:50 GMT

    @Sir_Francis - perfectly true. What need do England have of KP - let alone Trott, Swann, Prior or an in-form Cook - when they have Ben Stokes?

  • MarkTaffin on February 9, 2014, 19:47 GMT

    'unsupported with any facts', obviously!

  • py0alb on February 9, 2014, 19:38 GMT

    The idea that the fans are owed "an explanation" is nonsense. We are owed the immediate resignation of everyone involved in this decision, followed by the immediate reinstatement of Pietersen as an England player. No other course of action is acceptable if they don't want to lose 90% of their fanbase.

  • harishk8006 on February 9, 2014, 19:37 GMT

    This is the biggest false cover up story from anyone in the history for two things THAT I CAN THINK OF------- 1) wasn't it the England's captain (Alistair Cook) confirmed that reintegration was successful and everything is normal after TEXTGATE?? What is Strauss speaking about now?? 2) What kind of trust does the team mates need a) cricket gear and kits b) their wallets c) their clothes d) their money.....if it is about his performance he was head and shoulders above all his other team mates on the field.....Strauss does not make any sense by saying this and he is not fooling anyone either!!

  • geoffboyc on February 9, 2014, 19:33 GMT

    So, now KP is gone and "trust" is restored, presumably Cook will start setting better fields and will stop leaving straight deliveries? Bell will stop edging to slip or chipping to mid-off and fielders will catch even the simplest of catches? What a load of garbled tosh!

  • MarkTaffin on February 9, 2014, 19:27 GMT

    But, Straussy what was the reason for this "total absence of trust"??? Please specify.

    Just like the ECB, its just a statement supported with any facts.

  • AlfAlpha on February 9, 2014, 19:25 GMT

    If the ECB wants to take the high ground and talk about trust then they should have closed the door on Pietersen after the South Africa text scandal. To use that as motive for discarding him now just highlights how spineless the top guys are. Never mind, I'm sure they will be able to replace him with some other chappie from Yorkshire to keep Vaughn happy.

  • cricraz on February 9, 2014, 19:23 GMT

    Andy Flower and Strauss were certainly threatened by KP. I don't know if it is "African" thing, Andy was definitely envious of KP's chance to play for England whereas Andy did not get recognition when he played for Zimbabwe. Flower got too much credit for all the English victories over the last few years but the fact is that England were loaded with Star players at their peak( Batting- Cook, KP, Trott and Bell ; Bowling-Anderson, Broad and Swann). These players are on the decline and England is on the decline. It just shows how overrated Flower as a coach has been. England certainly would have lost the mumbai test if not for KP's attacking innings and they would have been 0-2 in India and that would have ended more like the recent Ashes.

  • JG2704 on February 9, 2014, 19:20 GMT

    So either Strauss is in contact with some Eng old colleagues or he's presuming/guessing the chain of events based on his experiences with him.

    It would be nice if Strauss actually told us all exactly what was said in the texts KP sent to SA players and any other examples of KP's inappropriate behaviour rather than commenting on something he is no longer part of and if he knows from sorces within the camp exactly what's been going on then I think it's high time the ECB told us all what's been going on. As I put in another thread , Mancini when dropping Tevez from the Man City side said exactly why straight away and he got the backing of the fans. If he had just dropped one of his best players from the squad without giving any explanation then I doubt the fans would have backed him at all - in fact I reckon they'd have turned on him for dropping one of their best players with no explanation. ECB should at least give us the info so that we (the fans) can make up our minds.

  • on February 9, 2014, 19:07 GMT

    This doesn't, I'm afraid, ring totally true. Whilst there may well have been a total lack of trust between Pietersen and Strauss following "textgate" (understandably) Pietersen's "reintegratoin" at Cook's behest seems to have gone well. Certainly Swann indicates that Pietersen's attitude in Australia was exemplary (and Swann was no fan of Pietersen after textgate).

  • krik8crazy on February 9, 2014, 19:06 GMT

    The English selectors didn't have the guts to discard Pietersen after the SMS controversy. He was in good form and too useful to be thrown out. Now he has become older, is not in good form, and his physical fitness is not the greatest. So they have done what they wanted to do for years - throw him out when the time is right.

  • AlanHull on February 9, 2014, 19:06 GMT

    What sort of trust is needed in the changing room? Was he stealing peoples wallets. Maybe other players couldn't concentrate on batting with worrying about Pietersen rifling through their bags. It seems like Strauss is talking a load of nonsense.

  • on February 9, 2014, 19:03 GMT

    Interesting that the ECB makes this announcement today yet their most recently departed captain is able to put the story in his Sunday Newpaper column this morning so the story must have been leaked to him yesterday. And these guys talk of trust?

    Still non-plussed at this unreserved support for a captain who is so lacking in imagination, intuition or leadership. He makes Bob Willis look like Mike Brearley and, God knows, Willis was an awful captain.

  • Sir_Francis on February 9, 2014, 19:02 GMT

    Now that he's gone England should win all their games.

  • Stumay on February 9, 2014, 18:45 GMT

    Strauss sticking a knife in again. I wonder how influential he has been in recent developments and whether he has been trying to settle a few scores? He walked out on the team in 2012 so how does he know what has happened in the last 18 months and if he does, why should he know?

  • Yevghenny on February 9, 2014, 18:33 GMT

    what about the trust in the selectors and coaching that has seen England fail to score 400 in over a year, and drag 3 bowlers around with them for 5 test matches and not being able to trust them for selection?

  • Alexk400 on February 9, 2014, 18:31 GMT

    KP was hired gun. Once its empty , it has to be thrown. KP was thinking he is part of england when in fact no one trusted him. He had no friend in england team to support him. That tells the story.

  • FawltyBean on February 9, 2014, 18:25 GMT

    @jrw39 - Of course I'm entitled. I pay good money to watch cricket.

  • OhhhhhMattyMatty on February 9, 2014, 18:23 GMT

    Bang on Straussy!

    Clown Kev was always a liability!

  • on February 9, 2014, 18:08 GMT

    "The total absence of trust" is an astonishingly graceless comment by Strauss. He left England's captaincy gracefully, with goodwill from all England followers: what a shame that he seems now to have added himself to the anti-pietersen camp. His observations are otiose. .

  • 200ondebut on February 9, 2014, 18:02 GMT

    So KP is to blame for everything. The bowlers couldn't bowl, the fielders catch and the batsmen score runs because they could trust KP. Trust him to do what exactly?

    Strauss has always had a chip on his shoulder over KP. He was only captain because of a previous hatchet job. I guess he knows this and like most lies has to perpetrate it so the truth isn't exposed.

    Strauss was an average captain whose record relied heavily on KP's brilliance.

  • iwatcheditwhenwewasrubbish on February 9, 2014, 17:55 GMT

    Looks like the ECB has gone full circle from 2005, now back to being an establishment run incompetent organisation.

    I guess we need another decade or two of failing miserably now with lots of yes men before they begin to select the best players again.

  • 200ondebut on February 9, 2014, 17:54 GMT

    Sounds to me more like insecurity than trust. Why would they want a world beater in the side showing them all up?

    If you had to pick between Strauss and KP on cricketing ability - well no contest is it.

  • jrw39 on February 9, 2014, 17:53 GMT

    If anyone else has an opinion on the end of Pietersen's England career then let's hear it now so that this doesn't drag on for another 6 months. I think Ed Smith has it right - the decision is made and it could well do more harm than good for the ECB to provide a long and detailed explanation. FawltyBean, like many others, feels a sense of entitlement that we should be given all the details. We shouldn't - the media and supporters need to accept the decision and move on.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on February 9, 2014, 17:45 GMT

    Yeah but until we can see those texts or even just a decent summary of their content, we are still left in the dark Straussy. As others have already posted, the ECB issued a statement around the time saying there "was nothing hurtful or provocative in those texts" - yet KP was given disciplinary action and ousted for a while. Totally contradictory...

    If KP was so isolated, disrespected and untrustworthy, why was he the only player running up to the bowlers during the Ashes series in England to console/encourage the bowlers? Why are so many team-mates, past and present, saying they valued KP's help and support throughout? Yes it's true the media are "looking for smoking guns"; us fans are simply looking for the truth! KP was/is never a hero of mine, but I will not accept that a key player's career is over because the ECB wont buy a strong enough leash to tame one live-wire (but highly talented) player. By all means "draw a line under a player", but not through it without just cause.

  • vj3478 on February 9, 2014, 17:45 GMT

    It's not the trust..it's the EGO of Andy and Andrew that cost KP his contract. They do owe KP else they would not have achieved the T20 title or #1 ranking in tests. Not sure why it took them so long to fire KP if he was so untrusted and why they let the team be without "ethics n philosophy"...for 9 yrs... If that's what they are trying to rebuild. I wish the managements favorite quote, "no body I bigger than game", was applied to those giving reasons for KP sacking.

  • Nuxxy on February 9, 2014, 17:40 GMT

    Let's try an analogy. Usually, after a batsman scores a 100 in a losing cause, he will often say he would trade it for the win. Most players would prefer to suffer in a win than to excel in a loss.

    Let's apply the same to England's much vaunted "team atmosphere". Would they take an unhappy environment but a World Cup win (T20/F50) to a happy environment but first round knockouts? Which would the players choose? The coach?

  • St.as.ram.rod on February 9, 2014, 17:40 GMT

    Due all respect to everyone but cricket is far from a usual team sports. Its not like football, hockey where one person is as good as others in the team. Cricket is unique in that way and can have heros irrespective of how the rest of the team plays. The only true part of team comes during fielding and running between wicket.. Was Pietersen's behaviour on pitch was against the team..absolutely no...

    What has happened is people's ego have clashed which is as much responsibility of other side as much of Kevin's. The only honest comment is that Kevin lost any good friends within the team so it was rest vs him and it was easy decision..

    But honestly wat baffles my limited knowledge is the need of his sacking...

  • FawltyBean on February 9, 2014, 17:32 GMT

    On what grounds England lost trust? That's all we need to know.

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  • FawltyBean on February 9, 2014, 17:32 GMT

    On what grounds England lost trust? That's all we need to know.

  • St.as.ram.rod on February 9, 2014, 17:40 GMT

    Due all respect to everyone but cricket is far from a usual team sports. Its not like football, hockey where one person is as good as others in the team. Cricket is unique in that way and can have heros irrespective of how the rest of the team plays. The only true part of team comes during fielding and running between wicket.. Was Pietersen's behaviour on pitch was against the team..absolutely no...

    What has happened is people's ego have clashed which is as much responsibility of other side as much of Kevin's. The only honest comment is that Kevin lost any good friends within the team so it was rest vs him and it was easy decision..

    But honestly wat baffles my limited knowledge is the need of his sacking...

  • Nuxxy on February 9, 2014, 17:40 GMT

    Let's try an analogy. Usually, after a batsman scores a 100 in a losing cause, he will often say he would trade it for the win. Most players would prefer to suffer in a win than to excel in a loss.

    Let's apply the same to England's much vaunted "team atmosphere". Would they take an unhappy environment but a World Cup win (T20/F50) to a happy environment but first round knockouts? Which would the players choose? The coach?

  • vj3478 on February 9, 2014, 17:45 GMT

    It's not the trust..it's the EGO of Andy and Andrew that cost KP his contract. They do owe KP else they would not have achieved the T20 title or #1 ranking in tests. Not sure why it took them so long to fire KP if he was so untrusted and why they let the team be without "ethics n philosophy"...for 9 yrs... If that's what they are trying to rebuild. I wish the managements favorite quote, "no body I bigger than game", was applied to those giving reasons for KP sacking.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on February 9, 2014, 17:45 GMT

    Yeah but until we can see those texts or even just a decent summary of their content, we are still left in the dark Straussy. As others have already posted, the ECB issued a statement around the time saying there "was nothing hurtful or provocative in those texts" - yet KP was given disciplinary action and ousted for a while. Totally contradictory...

    If KP was so isolated, disrespected and untrustworthy, why was he the only player running up to the bowlers during the Ashes series in England to console/encourage the bowlers? Why are so many team-mates, past and present, saying they valued KP's help and support throughout? Yes it's true the media are "looking for smoking guns"; us fans are simply looking for the truth! KP was/is never a hero of mine, but I will not accept that a key player's career is over because the ECB wont buy a strong enough leash to tame one live-wire (but highly talented) player. By all means "draw a line under a player", but not through it without just cause.

  • jrw39 on February 9, 2014, 17:53 GMT

    If anyone else has an opinion on the end of Pietersen's England career then let's hear it now so that this doesn't drag on for another 6 months. I think Ed Smith has it right - the decision is made and it could well do more harm than good for the ECB to provide a long and detailed explanation. FawltyBean, like many others, feels a sense of entitlement that we should be given all the details. We shouldn't - the media and supporters need to accept the decision and move on.

  • 200ondebut on February 9, 2014, 17:54 GMT

    Sounds to me more like insecurity than trust. Why would they want a world beater in the side showing them all up?

    If you had to pick between Strauss and KP on cricketing ability - well no contest is it.

  • iwatcheditwhenwewasrubbish on February 9, 2014, 17:55 GMT

    Looks like the ECB has gone full circle from 2005, now back to being an establishment run incompetent organisation.

    I guess we need another decade or two of failing miserably now with lots of yes men before they begin to select the best players again.

  • 200ondebut on February 9, 2014, 18:02 GMT

    So KP is to blame for everything. The bowlers couldn't bowl, the fielders catch and the batsmen score runs because they could trust KP. Trust him to do what exactly?

    Strauss has always had a chip on his shoulder over KP. He was only captain because of a previous hatchet job. I guess he knows this and like most lies has to perpetrate it so the truth isn't exposed.

    Strauss was an average captain whose record relied heavily on KP's brilliance.

  • on February 9, 2014, 18:08 GMT

    "The total absence of trust" is an astonishingly graceless comment by Strauss. He left England's captaincy gracefully, with goodwill from all England followers: what a shame that he seems now to have added himself to the anti-pietersen camp. His observations are otiose. .