England in India 2011-12 October 21, 2011

Flower defends England's attitude

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Andy Flower, the England team director, defended his players' on-field attitude, which has been a source of criticism on their tour of India, and also the approach of Jonathan Trott after another innings that divided opinion in their series-deciding defeat in Mohali.

Throughout the series the England players have been agitated in the field and there were further examples on Thursday as they failed to defend 298 in the third ODI. Tim Bresnan was fined for snatching his cap off the umpire after a frustrating over; and Craig Kieswetter's 'chat' behind the stumps has raised questions, especially because of his unconvincing performances with the gloves which included a dropped catch and missed run-out on Thursday.

Even within the team some players are not afraid of airing their views to team-mates when something goes wrong - with Graeme Swann often seen berating fielders - but Flower believes England have got the balance right and thought Bresnan's fine, although small, was unfair. That view backed up Bresnan's not-guilty plea that meant a hearing was required.

"Tim Bresnan is an outstanding young man with a very good disciplinary record," Flower said. "To be quite honest, I think in this instance it is a harsh judgement - in that it was quite a frustrating over for him.

"His snatching of a cap was done out of frustration at five overthrows and an edge down to the third-man boundary, as opposed to any dissent for a decision. I have no problem at all with Tim's behaviour. He has an outstanding conduct record. They've made their judgment, and whether or not we disagree with it is by the by. I think we all move on now."

The on-field chat hasn't just come from England and following the second one-dayer in Delhi the match-referee, Roshan Mahanama, spoke to both captains about the conduct of their teams. Following the match in Mohali, Dhoni said England might need to change their strategy of verbal intimidation considering it had not worked in their favour.

Again, though, Flower believes that England have shown acceptable emotions when in the heat of battle and that disappointment can be misunderstood as anger. "Every sportsman has to consider that balance, and in the main I think our cricketers are excellent role-models and conduct themselves in the way that passionate English sportspeople should do.

"The match-referee, after the second one-day international, spoke to both captains about the conduct of both sides - and I think he was right to do that. I think in that second game there was too much 'talk' out in the middle. After all, we play the game as a game of skill and you're there to 'out-skill' your opponents.

"Yes, there is a difference between passion and poor conduct and, on almost all occasions, I think our guys are excellent at finding that balance."

Flower was also fully supportive of the innings played by Trott who made an unbeaten 98 off 116 balls to anchor England's total in Mohali. Kevin Pietersen and Samit Patel, with a career-best 70 off 43 deliveries, played more aggressive hands in partnership with Trott and Flower thought the balance was right, pointing out the career-record of Mahela Jayawardene as a comparison to Trott's figures.

"Since he started playing one-day cricket for England, he has been very consistent - and that consistency has helped us score bigger totals. I think, if anything, some of the players around him have under-performed with the bat, and I think he's playing good cricket. Until a better player comes along, Jonathan Trott will play."

England are now focused on avoiding a 5-0 whitewash which would match the scoreline from the 2008 series when the final two matches were cancelled due to the Mumbai terror attacks. England's next attempt to secure a win will come in Mumbai, the first time they have visited the city for an international since 2006.

Graham Onions, who replaced the injured Chris Woakes, has linked up the with the squad and will provide a fast-bowling option alongside the uncapped Stuart Meaker if the management want to leave out the struggling Jade Dernbach.

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  • BMayuresh on October 24, 2011, 14:31 GMT

    Guys, please be calm. Andy is an experienced campaigner and he is right. The English team is striking the balance by being excellent in sledging and devastating at play. The only question that arises now is that is Andy coaching them on cricketing skills or sledging skills :)

  • vsuria on October 24, 2011, 13:09 GMT

    I am a fan of Sri Lanka but 5wombats, just why do you start crying when India thrashes England? LOL. Oh, and Bresnan definitely deserved that fine :D.

  • CricketLife.net on October 24, 2011, 11:32 GMT

    "england cant win anything, so thay are frustrated" - Suresh raina

  • karthikfromchennai on October 24, 2011, 10:54 GMT

    It was a fluke Eng became no 1 in tests...

  • SL_BiggestJoke on October 24, 2011, 8:16 GMT

    "His snatching of a cap was done out of frustration at five overthrows and an edge down to the third-man boundary, as opposed to any dissent for a decision"

    Why is that the Umpires problem then? Why should the Umpire bear the brunt of his teams failure? This is ridiculous behaviour!

  • lakhi1981 on October 24, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    It is interesting to read the heated exchanges between Indian and English supporters on the forum. I am an Indian fan but here are some objective views: - England and India are both very good sides in home conditions. However, I think India is slightly more stronger at home. - The english seam attack is much better than the Indian seam attack (especially without Zaheer). Here, there are no two ways! As a result, India always struggles in Australia and England and in South Africa as well - England, outside the sub-continent is a better test team than India currently purely because of the bowling - Indians are better at accepting defeat than the english - Cook as England's captain in ODI's is a disaster. He is completely lost. India, in the form of Dhoni, has a humonous advantage. - Finally, over a period of time, India has been the better ODI side by far. Weakness or no weakness abroad, India won a world cup in England and reached the finals in South Africa.

  • on October 24, 2011, 7:12 GMT

    Exactly what was Flower talking abt ? Like he sed players get frustrated when they aren't picking up the wickets but Indians din show that kinda gestures when they weren't picking up the wickets in England, nor in India . It exactly shows how cruel they are !! Only they are doing it coz they outplayed India in England N anticipated to repeat that but couldn't succeed . Indians are so good at their own yards. With the team that England have, can't oust the Indians in their home soil. Again saying, India worst at outside Asia but in home , they are perfect !!!!

  • on October 24, 2011, 6:36 GMT

    Indian Team is Plying without Sachin, Sahawag, Harbhajan, Zahir and routed England 4.0 may be 5.0 on coming days, shows strength of Indian Cricket Future

  • sachin1111989 on October 24, 2011, 4:32 GMT

    Sledging, as long as it is within the limits, is totally acceptable in cricket or in any other sport..It makes the game even more interesting..As far as I am concerned, the English team hasn't done anything wrong even if they have instigated some banter on the field..Indians have been no saints either..Afterall, no one would like to lose after having nailed the opposition 4-0, 3-0..Indians have been battered and smashed by the English at their home and even the presence of the mighty Zaheer/Sehwag could not have prevented the series defeat in tests..Maybe the margin of loss could have been lil better..England are undoubtedly the best Test team and India are the best ODI team..

  • on October 24, 2011, 1:22 GMT

    Well... Sledging has become a part of the game nowadays... But the act of Steve Finn was one which cannot be let off easily... I understand the frustration of the bowlers, when they are hit for a couple of boundaries early in the over, but it does not mean the frustration can let u spit, almost nearly in Raina's face. That is definitely worth an act of fine, infact can be handed over a one match suspension. You can walk off the field laughing with Kohli, but on field discipline also needs to be maintained... Just because you are sportive, does not mean you can spit almost on your opponent, and cant get away by just walking away smiling at the end of the game with another player in the opponent!!!! Finn needs to be booked for that, just like Bresnan!!!

  • BMayuresh on October 24, 2011, 14:31 GMT

    Guys, please be calm. Andy is an experienced campaigner and he is right. The English team is striking the balance by being excellent in sledging and devastating at play. The only question that arises now is that is Andy coaching them on cricketing skills or sledging skills :)

  • vsuria on October 24, 2011, 13:09 GMT

    I am a fan of Sri Lanka but 5wombats, just why do you start crying when India thrashes England? LOL. Oh, and Bresnan definitely deserved that fine :D.

  • CricketLife.net on October 24, 2011, 11:32 GMT

    "england cant win anything, so thay are frustrated" - Suresh raina

  • karthikfromchennai on October 24, 2011, 10:54 GMT

    It was a fluke Eng became no 1 in tests...

  • SL_BiggestJoke on October 24, 2011, 8:16 GMT

    "His snatching of a cap was done out of frustration at five overthrows and an edge down to the third-man boundary, as opposed to any dissent for a decision"

    Why is that the Umpires problem then? Why should the Umpire bear the brunt of his teams failure? This is ridiculous behaviour!

  • lakhi1981 on October 24, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    It is interesting to read the heated exchanges between Indian and English supporters on the forum. I am an Indian fan but here are some objective views: - England and India are both very good sides in home conditions. However, I think India is slightly more stronger at home. - The english seam attack is much better than the Indian seam attack (especially without Zaheer). Here, there are no two ways! As a result, India always struggles in Australia and England and in South Africa as well - England, outside the sub-continent is a better test team than India currently purely because of the bowling - Indians are better at accepting defeat than the english - Cook as England's captain in ODI's is a disaster. He is completely lost. India, in the form of Dhoni, has a humonous advantage. - Finally, over a period of time, India has been the better ODI side by far. Weakness or no weakness abroad, India won a world cup in England and reached the finals in South Africa.

  • on October 24, 2011, 7:12 GMT

    Exactly what was Flower talking abt ? Like he sed players get frustrated when they aren't picking up the wickets but Indians din show that kinda gestures when they weren't picking up the wickets in England, nor in India . It exactly shows how cruel they are !! Only they are doing it coz they outplayed India in England N anticipated to repeat that but couldn't succeed . Indians are so good at their own yards. With the team that England have, can't oust the Indians in their home soil. Again saying, India worst at outside Asia but in home , they are perfect !!!!

  • on October 24, 2011, 6:36 GMT

    Indian Team is Plying without Sachin, Sahawag, Harbhajan, Zahir and routed England 4.0 may be 5.0 on coming days, shows strength of Indian Cricket Future

  • sachin1111989 on October 24, 2011, 4:32 GMT

    Sledging, as long as it is within the limits, is totally acceptable in cricket or in any other sport..It makes the game even more interesting..As far as I am concerned, the English team hasn't done anything wrong even if they have instigated some banter on the field..Indians have been no saints either..Afterall, no one would like to lose after having nailed the opposition 4-0, 3-0..Indians have been battered and smashed by the English at their home and even the presence of the mighty Zaheer/Sehwag could not have prevented the series defeat in tests..Maybe the margin of loss could have been lil better..England are undoubtedly the best Test team and India are the best ODI team..

  • on October 24, 2011, 1:22 GMT

    Well... Sledging has become a part of the game nowadays... But the act of Steve Finn was one which cannot be let off easily... I understand the frustration of the bowlers, when they are hit for a couple of boundaries early in the over, but it does not mean the frustration can let u spit, almost nearly in Raina's face. That is definitely worth an act of fine, infact can be handed over a one match suspension. You can walk off the field laughing with Kohli, but on field discipline also needs to be maintained... Just because you are sportive, does not mean you can spit almost on your opponent, and cant get away by just walking away smiling at the end of the game with another player in the opponent!!!! Finn needs to be booked for that, just like Bresnan!!!

  • devalyagnik2003 on October 23, 2011, 22:26 GMT

    Before few months when everyone was keep commenting about Indian team's behavior I read a comment from an Aussie fan that, enjoy the no 1 ranking now, as everyone knows Aussie was in the same situation when they were at no 1. So for now enjoy the lime light Mr. Flower/ Cook.. No 1 test team is a place where a team should used to this, now onward everyone will try to pull your legs.. anyways once I read a comment that said, just 50% fine, see BCCI controls ICC when one of the Indian player got that fine for not a noticeable kind of behavior, so now we can say the same that ECB controls ICC, just 15% fine!! by the way looking to the current situation there is no clear no 1 test team, SA and England must win series in India/Srilanka, similarly India and srilanka must win series in England, SA and Aussie.. that is what makes you real no 1 test team isn't it?

  • on October 23, 2011, 18:56 GMT

    Simple its a joke for any player to get a fine for snatching there hat from the umpire. GET A GRIP ICC!! IDIOT CRICKET COUNCIL!!

  • vikram_cricfrenzy on October 23, 2011, 18:48 GMT

    honestly speaking the whole world knows MSD is a class appart. i feel he is by far the most courageous and coolest captain ever in the game of cricket. handling the expectation of a billion people is not so easy and dhoni has been doing tht well for almost 4 years now. you never see him sledging ever in his entire life his actions speak for himself. THE WAY THE ENGLISH TEAM HAS BEEN BULLIED HERE IN INDIA I MEAN WE ARE WINNING WITH MORE THAN 100 RUNS AND IF CHASING WE R WINNING WITH MORE THAN 10 OVERS TO SPARE SO THEY HAVE NOTHING BUT TO SLEDGE.as far as the series in england is concerned the whole world knows tht indian team was not with players who were 100 percent fit. A fit indian team would screw the english team in any track any country any conditions so pls lets not argue on that. and well here in india its already 4 - 0 and 5 - 0 is coming SOON ......

  • JG2704 on October 23, 2011, 17:57 GMT

    Let's be honest here there's often verbals going on between 2 cricket sides. Obviously it depends what exactly is said and no one on these boards - unless they were playing or have a hidden stump mic transmitting to their PC knows what is said by which team. In today's match while Finn may have gone OTT when he bowled Reinna , he did seem to defuse the situation afterwards and also there seemed to be bickering from both sides. Reinna (I think it was him) was bickering at Patel for standing his ground which he was perfectly entitled to do. Obviously many of the one eyed Indian fans would not have noticed that there team isn't squeaky clean either. I have seen bowlers throw a ball at a batsman when frustrated (and often apologise afterwards) and all is forgotten about within a minute. Also I have seen bowlers have a go at fielders when they make mistakes costing wickets or crucial runs - again heat of the moment stuff and just part and parcel of the game.

  • on October 23, 2011, 17:50 GMT

    Well Prash Smith i have to agree with a fair bit of that. I wasnt over celebrating when we crushed india at edgbaston because no disrespect but anyone cud have made runs against that India attack no Zaheer Khan made the difference. The only test where i thought we did generally outstanding was The Oval cuz that was a flat track. But thats test cricket i think were excellent in our conditions but India wud rack them up if they played tests at home against us now. India are without doubt 50over world champs. I was mainly having a dig at the ECB for having this series after a whole summer against the same opposition. And Kieswetter needs to convert these fancy 20s and 30s.

  • JG2704 on October 23, 2011, 17:44 GMT

    @Prash Smith - You say you're neutral and can see the hypocrisy with TIM40621's comments , but I guess in your neutral state of mind you have failed to notice the multitude of Indian comments booing about injuries/conditions etc. You're not so fast to pull them up on their comms I notice. And re Flower not having a clue about management , when he has spearheaded England to the top of the ICC test rankings - lol?

  • JG2704 on October 23, 2011, 17:43 GMT

    @Tim40621 - You could be right there. If so you'd have thought they'd have learnt after sandwiching a 7 match ODI series between the Ashes and the WC. Having said that , let's just say that India are clearly the better OD side , no excuses. Also we did bounce back from the 6-1 defeat against Oz in the OD series and our indifferent/poor WC , so I'm not overly concerned about poor form in 1 format impacting on form in another format

  • JG2704 on October 23, 2011, 17:43 GMT

    @amitksingh - Why did India not do away with the meaningless tour of WI with such a huge test series vs England coming up if fatigue was going to be an issue? And I thought it was us poms that were coming up with feeble excuses. Boo hoo.

  • ok2307 on October 23, 2011, 16:34 GMT

    @Tim40621 - Agreed. ECB is as stupid as the BCCI with the schedule but it all boils down to money! Who cares about cricket overdose and fatigue? Ind-Eng series would have been evenly contested had a team with a fully charged battery toured Eng and same applies to the current series in India.

  • ok2307 on October 23, 2011, 16:30 GMT

    @5wombats - Eng played well in their backyard but like amitksingh pointed out they beat a tired indian team that played in SA, WC, IPL, WI and then Eng without rest. Key players were injured and the mental fatigue cost them the series. India has performed much better in Eng in the past. But look at England - out of the last 17 ODI that they played in India, Eng has managed to win only one.

  • on October 23, 2011, 16:24 GMT

    I wouldn't mind having words with that Flower chap. He hasn't got a clue about management. As for Cook, well he couldn't manage a picnic let alone a team.

  • on October 23, 2011, 16:19 GMT

    @Tim04621. You claim England lost because they are under strength and playing India in their own back yard. Well didn't India arrive in England(their own back yard) a few months ago, with several injured key players as well as a few who hadn't played in several months? I'm a neutral by the way as I'm NOT indian. I am English, born and bred but even I can see the English hypocrisy knows no limit. You say England were under strength, but did you and others say the same thing about India when they arrived here? I think not.Or were you too busy celebrating and saying you're the greatest etc etc we're number one ra ra ra!. In reality England is a very ordinary team. I can't stand supporters who put personal gain over the game. It is the very mentality that is bringing the game down and it is exactly this same mentality that results in certain England players arguing with the opposition. I mean come on! is Kieswetter really in a position to argue? i mean he's pretty rubbish

  • mm71 on October 23, 2011, 16:06 GMT

    Maybe Flower needs to visit the Indian dressing room again, this time with Cook & request Dhoni to recall the entire English batting line up at least once.

  • Tim40621 on October 23, 2011, 15:51 GMT

    I think the ECB are totally stupid for agreeing to this series in the first place. We've played India all summer, why are we playing 5 meaningless ODI's after a whole summer against them. We've got our confidence right up then we send a team that is under strength to play the 50 over champions in there own backyard and will probably lose 5-0, to totally knock our confidence right back im not suprised the players are showing dissent! WELL DONE ECB TOTAL WASTE OF TIME!!

  • Percy_Fender on October 23, 2011, 12:03 GMT

    It is a tragedy that once a team gets to the No 1 position they have to start this silly business of sledging. I have never known the England team to behave in an uncouth manner in the past. Andy Flower himself was a low profile Zimbabwe pro in his playing days who was never given to bad behaviour on the playing field. Yet he finds nothing wrong in the current behaviour of the English team. That is just as galling.I wish some old world good sense comes into the players heads before they too are hated all over the world. There are some nice chaps on board this team.

  • on October 23, 2011, 11:18 GMT

    how many saffies in this england team? 1 or 2 maybe but 4 is too much

  • Nish_US on October 23, 2011, 11:14 GMT

    Looking at the way Bairstow got cleaned up by Jadeja in the 4th ODI and english batsmen woes on this tour.....any predictions on the result of a test series between these two teams in India....If there was one?

  • 5wombats on October 23, 2011, 10:56 GMT

    @amitksingh - rubbish. You CLEARLY did not watch, or have conveniently tried to forget what England did to india in England. Best not to comment if you do not know what you are talking about.

  • the_blue_android on October 23, 2011, 8:04 GMT

    there is a very easy way to fix the disciplinary problems of Englishmen. Prepare an even more flat slow wicket and open the innings with Sehwag.

  • amitksingh on October 23, 2011, 6:11 GMT

    England players can never match in competency with Indains like Dhoni, sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid and Indian spinners.England tour of india was just an accident or frankly speaking a exhausted indian team were sent to England for the series. it was also subjected to luck. England are the most over hyped team in the world. Can anyone ever think to compare cook,kieswetter with Sachin , Sehwag or even Ravindra Jadeja lol.. rotfl

  • vj3478 on October 23, 2011, 5:59 GMT

    I like the new Indian look who always give it back and never cross the line like OZ/Eng! (well, thats wat everyone say). Its payback time.. results/banter. btw, chitchat make the game interesting.. atleast for me:)

  • on October 23, 2011, 5:51 GMT

    india can never lose inside india....thank you bcci

  • on October 23, 2011, 4:39 GMT

    India won the cb series in aus drew a test series in sa, won in wi and nz (both test and odi) so india have done very well in the recent past....even now I am ready to bet a million pounds that a full strength indian team can tear down eng in england....it was one of those tours where everything went wrong fr india 2 broken fingers, concussions, weather etc. a very strange tour and to add to all that eng were at full strength...and I cannot understand y there is no tests in this eng tour of india then eng's short stint as num 1 would have ended....do they WANT eng to stay as num1 ?? Looks like that....

  • on October 23, 2011, 2:15 GMT

    Its gr8 2 watch the way fans fight out against each other !

    @fter all we are all humans and we ve emotions no matter which age we live !

    Makes me happy that we have still love for some thing ! as the gods ve rightly put it u start living wen u start loving ! Enjoy Cricket :-) !

  • on October 22, 2011, 23:12 GMT

    England can only win in England, thats it. The No 1 Test tag wont last long for such a pathetic team.

  • on October 22, 2011, 22:11 GMT

    england supporters must recheck their stats. england won in a series in 1984 in india while india won in 2007 in test matches and in 2002 odi .they always talk about the success of 2011 Ashes but never talk about last tour of austrailia. south africa beat them in test in their home soil 3 years ago..

  • on October 22, 2011, 20:01 GMT

    @critic66 The defeat in England is a history now, God bless the team from a whitewash in this series. I agree India had a bad time when they were touring England. But this series proved that England is no better team, Everyone is a king in his own kingdom. If the world cup was not in India, then i think there would have been a different winner all together. Both the teams, India and England failed to prove till now that they can beat the other team as an away side.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 22, 2011, 19:13 GMT

    Cont'd I agree that upholding the spirit of the game is paramount as it this that sets this cricket apart from all other sports but I don't accept that sledging provided it's neither personal nor untoward goes against the spirit of the game. If Rahane did allow Finn to get under his skin with a few words then provided they weren't abusive I'm afraid that just hard cheese. Rahane will have to put it down to experience and learn from it. In fact it's an opportunity for him to use this to come back stronger, if indeed it was a case of sledging, and score plenty of runs then the fielding team will think twice before they speak. Re my earlier question I would like to know what you think about Raina's (I think it was it him) sledging at Kohli during the CLT? Do you think that was wild and uncouth?

  • itsthewayuplay on October 22, 2011, 19:13 GMT

    @Nampally don't understand your use of hyperbole such as wild and uncouth. Wild is bowling a full beamer delivery like Sreesanth once did to Pieterson. Suceeding in any sport at the highest level is as much about about mental strength as well as ability. Cricket is different to all other team sports for many reasons one of which is the duration of the game. If you think top sportspeople are going to compete against each other and not exchange words regardless of their nature that I can only suggest that you've never played the game at any significant level. Even if you played the game with friends in the garden surely you didn't play in complete silence? Acceptable banter in cricket gives additional colour and character to the game. Why does it upset you so much when the skipper Dhoni has said he doesn't mind a bit of chit-chat within reason on the field?

  • critic666 on October 22, 2011, 17:39 GMT

    @Trickstar: "It just looks like Dhoni's on a bit of a whinge now he's back home and got a few wins under his belt, it's funny really because you didn't see it from England when India were a joke over there, they had enough ammo to do so." -- no one forgot how Braod accused Laxman of applying vaseline on bat to avoid Hot Spot detection which was debunked later by Hot Spot specialists. England is no saint, but we have not heard much when India were losing in summer, did we? So why now?

  • jollyjugg on October 22, 2011, 17:36 GMT

    Wonder whom Nasser Hussain will call a donkey and a monkey now. Tim Bresnan, Samit Patel or perhaps Greame Swann who scolds his own team mates. Any takes Nasser. Dont forget to let us know over Television during 4th ODI.

  • correctcall on October 22, 2011, 16:05 GMT

    Kohli has been the prime instigator of sledging. Easy in home conditions when he knows he won't get chin music as a follow up. Could be interesting if he mouths off in Perth ??

  • itsthewayuplay on October 22, 2011, 15:49 GMT

    @Gerard Pereira not all players can achieve the sporting physiques that Zaheer, Yuvraj, Sachin, RP Singh have achieved. Samit and Bresnan to credit have worked on their fitness.

  • Nampally on October 22, 2011, 15:48 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay; Please see the comments of AlanHarrison.His comments are right on.After beating India in England, it has been an anti climax for the same team to lose so badly. 3-0 does not represent how one sided the first 2 ODI's were. England could not bat even 40 overs. Yes the ODI #3 was close and it was great to see England fight back.But the main cause for sledging has been the team performance & frustration of the England bowlers not to have their own way as in England. Things are not" blown out of proportion" as you say. Cricket is a Gentleman's sport and it should be played in that spirit..Bresnan was wild & uncouth the way he snatched his cap from the Umpire- who by the way is holding on to the players gear out of courtesy!.He was found sledging constantly at Kohli & to a lesser extent at Gambhir during ODI 2.In ODI #3 he was appeared to be sledging more frequently.Finn got Rahane the next ball after his sledging.Fletcher & Cook must control the Èteams on field behaviourÈ.

  • cricketdebator on October 22, 2011, 15:40 GMT

    As a West Indian, I look on with interest at the many exchanges between England and Indian supporters, and if I may contribute to the sway, it would be to say that in my opinion, each team is good, but mostly in home conditions. Therefore, the only way to thrash-out the issue of who is best, is to arrange a series in neutral conditions and note the result. It is also interesting to note that India has won the World Cup on two ocassions, once at home and the other in England. Conversely, England has never won the World Cup, despite being host on three ocassions. As for the current series, the English Team and Media are simply finding it hard to come to terms with a well known fact, which is:- England cannot beat India, in India.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 22, 2011, 15:12 GMT

    Hey Flower, since when snatching caps and sweaters from umpires is showing a bit of emotion and punishing such poor behaviours is unfair? You mean to say, I'm frustrated with, say, you and your silly talk and so I can show my frustration on quiet people like say a Dravid or a Sachin or, behold, an umpire? Get yourself a mirror Flower!

  • samincolumbia on October 22, 2011, 15:02 GMT

    Poor travellers takes on a whole meaning as far as England is concerned....Never wins anything in India and to add to that we have to put up with the disgusting behaviour of the english players!!

  • Reggaecricket on October 22, 2011, 14:35 GMT

    What did Ian Botham say "I can't see anyone beating this England side for a long time to come!" Yeah right! Perhaps this shot of reality is what irritates them so much that their on filed behavior shows it.

  • on October 22, 2011, 13:18 GMT

    Fat boys like Samit and Bresnan sledging is a joke, these guys do not even look like a cricketers. Bresnan taking a couple of wickets on specially prepared green tops last summer gave him the idea that he is better than he actually is. Both Samit and Bresnan would not get into an Indian "B" team.

  • FreddyForPrimeMinister on October 22, 2011, 13:17 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay - good link and my mistake on the Viv Richards sledge... it wasn't Alan Jones who was the bowler, it was another fast bowling Welshman, Greg Thomas. Sorry Alan!! :)

  • spence1324 on October 22, 2011, 12:53 GMT

    @AlanHarrison seems you are talking a bit of rubbish,the conditions in england were just as referable to india and england it was just englands batsman and bowlers were streets ahead of the what the indians had,the fact that Zaheer khan turned up looking like he should try out for the Japanese sumo team should tell you all you need to no about how the former 'number one team'views the pinnacle of the game.Oh yeah im not making excuses for england we no 'one day cricket'is what we need to work on its just we dont make excuses for every thing that goes aganst england,Cricinfo for some balance on these fourms kindly publish.

  • on October 22, 2011, 12:18 GMT

    If Andy Flower don't want to make moral judgement on other sides, then why did he knock on indian dressing room to reverse the Ian bell decision? It was really poor behaviour by eng players in mohali and masking it with the desperation to win is a lame excuse!!! Also It's time for Eng to poach players of subcontinent origin to be successful in here!! Bottomline is they can win occasional matches but not a series in here ;)

  • micky123 on October 22, 2011, 11:59 GMT

    Good to see india playing well and winning matches without the likes of Sachin, Sehwag and Zak, its sad that these guys will just walk into the team once they are fit, leaving out a lot of promising youngsters, a team will be great only if all players have to fight for their place regardless of past glory!

  • navy_fan_of_warrior_prince on October 22, 2011, 11:58 GMT

    andy is jus tryin to create a new controversy to hide the poor performance of eng,, wel they ve always been poor performers in India,,, hw many of the english fans disagree??

  • spot_on on October 22, 2011, 11:29 GMT

    @5wombats : get over it mate.. your england is being bulldozed .. accept the fact that they are no good team than zimbabwe in condition's which doesn't favour them. Have more recruits from SA... I heard that SA cric board is loaning their Class - C players... ECB should have already placed bids.. Hope to see england whipped 5-0 .. Whoever moderates this.. I was waiting for this guy's comments so long... Just have a chill pill and publish .. :D Lemme have a happier diwali ...

  • itsthewayuplay on October 22, 2011, 11:23 GMT

    Re sledging I think things are being blown out of proportion because I understand the 2 teams get on well off the field. Pieterson himself said that it's different between Eng and Aus because there's a genuine dislike of each other. Also for the many Indians commenting on Eng sledging, I would be interested to hear your opinions when Kohli was recently sledged by Raina after he was out in a CLT game last month. For some memorable sledging check out http://sport.uk.msn.com/cricket/howzat/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=156647259. Although some comments make reference to players' weight and therefore I cannot condone they are nonetheless, and somewhat hypocritically on my part, very funny.

  • AlanHarrison on October 22, 2011, 11:11 GMT

    A far more significant issue behind any questions about England's on-field behaviour concerns the difficulties they are having living up to the euphoria of last summer. Some commentators (e.g., M. Vaughan) seem to have got things rather out of perspective last summer, talking as if it was inevitable England was heading for an extended period as no.1 test side in the world and for the no.1 ODI spot. In fact England were flattered over the summer by playing in favourable formats and/or conditions. Now they are playing in different conditions and frustrations at failing to live up to the English media hype are evident in their game. England's bowling attack especially was much praised over the summer, but in India the likes of Dernbach and Bresnan are looking pretty ordinary. Having persuaded themselves England were invincible, the English media are so confused by defeat that they start blaming their own top scorer (Trott)! But there's no mystery: England just never were invincible.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 22, 2011, 11:02 GMT

    There's nothing wrong in showing a bit of emotion. But flaying your own team mates or snatching cap from the umpire are pretty poor behaviours. Simple. Bresnan got what he deserved. Hope he learns a thing or two from this. For a change, India doesn't have to put up with the antics of Harbhajan Singh.

  • on October 22, 2011, 10:59 GMT

    Oh, really Andy? Bresnan was not expressing dissent at the umpire? I accept that. If Praveen Kumar swears at an English batsman because an Indian fielder has dropped a catch, will you accept that? I know too well that you have to defend your team's behaviour, no matter how disgraceful they are-you are probably bound by a contract. But dissent or sledging do not depend on your defense or description, we all have seen what has happened.

  • ProfessorRafelle on October 22, 2011, 10:56 GMT

    Cant see what the fuss is about. These are professional sportsman. If they were not getting annoyed, frustrated and disappointed when things were not going their way, then I would be concerned.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 22, 2011, 10:52 GMT

    Contd Sledging is usually an indication of the frustration of the fielding team. The best way to deal with sledging is with the ball for bowlers eg the way Zaheer bowled after the jelly beans thing in 2007 and with the bat for batters eg no point sledging Dravid as it ends up being is a waste of energy for the fielding team and the way the young Tendulkar used to attack the bowling. This is something that Generation X of Indian cricketers can learn from their predecessors. Interesting why batters are not known for sledging bowlers.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 22, 2011, 10:51 GMT

    I saw the Bresnan incident and tend agree with Flower that it was the frustation at a poor over although unpleasant for the umpire to have a player snatch his cap from him. It's a difficult one because doing nothing sets a bad example for impressionable youngsters but a fine for dissent doesn't take into the circumstances of what happened - don't know what the answer is. As for sledging, it's part of the game but for me the golden rules are that there's nothing untoward or personal said. With the former it bring up the issue of cultural differences eg whilst swearing may be considered acceptable by some countries others take great offence. I saw a great example of what I consider acceptable sledging during the recent tests series in Eng with Ind-after Tremlett was back over his head for a 4 by I think Mukund, he turned back to the batsman and said 'You're brave'. Nothing personal, nothing untoward and tried to create doubt in Mukund's mind.

  • Pankaj_INDIA on October 22, 2011, 10:50 GMT

    ohh... Mr 5WOMBATS is back... lol... wish you people had some dignity atleast... when you were winning, our team didnt sledge or CRY, do we say!!! and now that your team is exposed, you start whining. not unexpected, i would say. Period.

  • johnmichaelkane on October 22, 2011, 10:34 GMT

    England players should have done their research on sledging Indians,our players always performed better when sledged,remember those 6 sixes........

  • on October 22, 2011, 10:21 GMT

    Now England is on way to taste what India experienced on foreign pitch. But we Indians are known for our big heart. So we ain't gonna make any statement like English media and cricket experts made on India's tour of England.

  • on October 22, 2011, 10:21 GMT

    Now England is on way to taste what India experienced on foreign pitch. But we Indians are known for our big heart. So we ain't gonna make any statement like English media and cricket experts made on India's tour of England.

  • mojo121 on October 22, 2011, 10:18 GMT

    I accept India is good team,my favourite player is Sachine he is my hero,but India can not play good when they go to uk,aus or newzealand,India can play well only at home do not fight guys lose or win is part of the game

  • JG2704 on October 22, 2011, 10:16 GMT

    @Trickstar - Not sure exactly what goes on in the field but sledging, chatting etc has been going on for years. There are loads of famous sledging quotes , mainly beyween Australia and England. My guess is that India give as good as they get , just like all teams. If they stop it then they have to bring some legislation in so everyone knows where they stand @Optic - totally agree with your point. Bres was I think frustrated at HIS OWN performance , not even so much at his team. Tim should just apologise to the umpire - if he felt offended - and it should be left at that. It did seem a curious comment re Broad sr being match ref in a game Broad jr was playing in but I couldn't comment as I was unsure. Glad you put it right

  • on October 22, 2011, 10:09 GMT

    I am going to say this whether it hurts the English supporters or not, i.e. . . . What is good for the goose is equally as good for the gander. England had their own way against India in England and India took it very well, M.S. Dhoni admitted that his team were outplayed and now England have to do the same, i.e. admit that they were outclassed and outplayed in India, because they were and if they continue bickering on the field instead of concentrating on their play, they will be whitewashed. Mayan.

  • AeyKay on October 22, 2011, 10:05 GMT

    Flower is trying to cover the bad behavior of English players... it seems they got lessons of sledging and abusing from Ponting.. they should understand that its the playing skills and ability to apply them would do any favor to them, rest all moral supports from their fans, coach, biased cricinfo sites and irrational experts won't help.. England need to improve their thinking, if not then they will lose all their pride and hope... Well done Dhoni in questioning England player's attitude atleast we have someone who has ability to raise right questions...

  • on October 22, 2011, 10:03 GMT

    Kohli iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

  • on October 22, 2011, 10:02 GMT

    I reckon Bresnan got off lightly, he was well out of order. It must be stated that he snatched his cap back off an Indian umpire...would he have reacted the same if Bowden was standing at his end?

  • sharidas on October 22, 2011, 9:46 GMT

    Its always been that the winner makes the rules. In England the rules were England's because they were winning. Now its just turned around. I guess those who give should be able to take it too. Also since when is ones frustration taken out on somebody ? The intensiy of a game is the same if it is played in the back yard or in international games. One has to have control over ones emotions. Aggression was always taken to mean as arrogance in India. Obviously times have changed and since Ganguly's captaincy, Indians have learnt to give back in kind. At the end of it all, lthere is no need to whinge- the game can turn around at any time. Commenting on Trott - how one bats is according to the game plan. If it fits in, whats the problem?

  • gandabhai on October 22, 2011, 9:35 GMT

    Where's the sportsmanship spirit Mr Flower ? Does it not apply for when 'one of your players snatches' his cap from an umpire ? What type of message does that send to the thousands of young cricketers watching on the box ? Some lines like these should never be crossed , in my opinion.

  • Kosh999 on October 22, 2011, 9:35 GMT

    Not sure what the fuss is all about. Bit like Australia, England in tight matches want to use the mental disintegration technique. Not really worked for them and Dhoni is a pretty sharp cookie. A smart person doesn't lose their cool, yet each word is said with purpose and cuts deep, particularly when you are able to back it up. Personally the more an opponent loses their cool and rants the more I think I have got them just where I want them, discipline goes and they are easier to dismantle. It's fine to talk the talk..but be sure to walk the walk...here's hoping to whompings 4 and 5!

  • RasheedS on October 22, 2011, 9:34 GMT

    Dhoni is super to have whithered successfully the bad behaviour of England. Well done Col. Dhoni !

  • SanjivAwesome on October 22, 2011, 9:32 GMT

    Flower has to defend his team. No matter what.

  • RasheedS on October 22, 2011, 9:32 GMT

    INDIA WAS DIGNIFIED AND GRACEFUL IN THEIR DEFEATS. ENGLAD IS DISGRACEFUL IN THEIR DEFEATS. EVEN MORE SO WHILE DEFENDING THEIR SHAMEFULL ATTITUDE.

  • artthomas on October 22, 2011, 9:12 GMT

    Andy Flower, doesn't the fact that Bresnan was fined mean that England is misbhaving?, Moreover, didn't Samit Patel say that England wanted to take India out of their comfort zone by wahtever means possible? It was obvious to spectators that England were the guilty party. Curb your team, Andy. Have you come to play cricket or to play a game called sledging?

  • on October 22, 2011, 9:03 GMT

    @trickster:so by which rights did bresnan talk about indian players keeping their hands in their pockets during game??? tell me....?????

  • on October 22, 2011, 9:02 GMT

    indians r just nailing them....the english squad is nt enough talented as compare 2 the indian youngsters...if they beleive they r gud in bowling then i beleive v r much better in our batting....!as i always consider indian spinners as the best in the world...!even swann did,nt do enough fr his nation....english attitude had always got them in drain.. with their inconsistant performance....nd always deceive 2 win a major tournament nd indian hav much better record then the english...!pressume 2 b they r just performing in test...bt i beleive if their would hav any test series then india would hav won again...!i support clean sweep 2 the english...if dewali nw...we need 2 whitewash the english...!

  • KonguSundar on October 22, 2011, 8:59 GMT

    Breshnan and Anty flower's talk indicating the inability of England.

  • Navaneeth47 on October 22, 2011, 8:54 GMT

    I dunno when England team is gonna stop comparing their players with some great players in world cricket. . Is trott comparable with jayawardanae???? jayawardanae has got more than 9000 runs in both forms of cricket but trott has not even got 2000 runs. . Better England team stop dreaming and try to avoid whitewash. .

  • vamwolf on October 22, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    I wonder where are those fans of England who falsely claim to be unbiased....don't they see how frustrated there team is and wont they comment on their players' behavior on the field. Come on England....you need to perform and not shout on the field.

  • Navaneeth47 on October 22, 2011, 8:44 GMT

    I dunno when English players are going to stop comparing their players with some great players in cricket. Is Trott comparable with Jayawardane??? Jayawardanae has got more than 9000 runs in both formats. .see trotts record he has not even got 2000 runs. . Better English players stop dreaming and try to play well and avoid the whitewash. .

  • on October 22, 2011, 8:40 GMT

    I think England is much much better team than Bermuda team,

  • 5wombats on October 22, 2011, 8:40 GMT

    @Narkovian - no more comments from india "fans" like you - who weren't even saying anything when England was flogging india a few weeks ago. And as for you @dicky_boy - calling indias old men "seniors" is very funny! They are well past retirement age. They insulted themselves and india fans by having their hands in their pockets and losing so badly in England. LOL.

  • SL_BiggestJoke on October 22, 2011, 8:32 GMT

    If the coach agrees with such an attitude, it's all downhill for England I'm afraid.. what little spark they showed in the summer will be forever gone. Keep chatting, cursing, swearing, snatching caps from the umpire, flinging stumps at the opposition.. that's what they will spend their time on rather than playing the "gentleman's" game.

    Good luck Flower on building a sporting team!

  • chokkashokka on October 22, 2011, 8:22 GMT

    Perhaps Flower and Cook should approach Dhoni and ask him if Bresnan could have a do over - since Bresnan is such an outstanding young man. Just like Ian Bell. This team has been found out and they are having a tough time coming to terms with it. An Indian B team is running circles around them. Cricket is not a sport played on grazing pastures. The character of a team is revealed during the tough times. In the case of India a few months ago, we didn't see any sledging or arguments with the umpires. Here with England we are seeing how they react to tough times. You can decide for yourself. And whoever is in-charge of moderation of these comments - have a coke and a smile and publish this.

  • dicky_boy on October 22, 2011, 8:17 GMT

    Mr trickster bee an insulted our seniors in England about keeping hands in their pockets and told them to go home, so dhoni is just giving it back

  • on October 22, 2011, 8:15 GMT

    I think England is much much better team than Bermuda team,

  • dicky_boy on October 22, 2011, 8:11 GMT

    Well mr Andy flower what happened when bresnan commented about senior Indian players keeping hands in ther pocket s in England , what happened to ur principle of not minding others , mr flower what goes around comes around , dhoni can comment if bresnan can

  • on October 22, 2011, 8:01 GMT

    England team showing their frustration on their field when they cant win ntheir own backyard against aside which they galloped eaily at home last month

  • Narkovian on October 22, 2011, 7:58 GMT

    ENGLAND swear and curse. INDIA smile back, crash them round the park and go 3-0 up in series. No more comment needed as to whether their attitude is working !!

  • on October 22, 2011, 7:20 GMT

    England might just leave out Keiswetter, and have John Bairstow don the gloves. Bell could make the playing XI, eventually. Dernbach didn't have a good outing, and should be replaced by the untried legspinner, Scott Borthwick. The spinners should contain and test the Indians.

  • Anurag_India on October 22, 2011, 7:18 GMT

    @Trickstar I agree with you that Dhoni's got no business lecturing England about their behaviour towards each other and to that extent your and Andy Flower's criticism of him is fair. However for you to say England and India were portraying equally bad behaviour is not true. England were clearly flustered and looked grumpy towards the end of both the 2nd and the 3rd ODI. It was as though they thought it was their right to win and the whole world was conspiring against them. To that extent the dig Dhoni took during the post match presentation of the 2nd ODI about how India were always social and friendly on the ground despite a disastrous tour of England - from an Indian perspective - was alright. As to your comment of not seen this "whinge" from England when they had enough ammo to do it, I think they didn't have any ammo, for India were - as Dhoni said - always social and friendly despite being a "joke" on the field as you put it.

  • on October 22, 2011, 6:59 GMT

    @Trickstar Well if you actually just look into the details we did lose in England as badly as England are losing now. We did put up a pathetic show but we were not as flustered as England are in India I think Dhoni is being reasonable by saying lets focus on the game because intimidation is not working for England thats exactly what India did in England after the thrashing in the tests they held their own and we saw that in the ODI's even with a very depleted bowling attack most of the matches were closely fought, I would have backed England after they got 298 in Mohali but the banter and loss of focus I think just went Indias way and the only time England looked like winning was when they got a few quick wickets. I just hope that if England have to go with the banter at least they win the next one.

  • on October 22, 2011, 6:56 GMT

    when we lost test in england broad and all bowlers tell to media that we make a stratagy to out every player and divide the pitch in 15 parts

    but in odi in eng dhoni and raina destroy their all parts. and here ha ha ha ha they cant devide the pitch because dhoni brigade destroy him

  • sukhishan on October 22, 2011, 6:55 GMT

    Being the coach, Andy might have devised this strategy to intimidate opposition batsmen via sledging since the pitches are too benign. However how does that justify being ill tempered to an umpire? Using the logic of having a bad over and therefore snatching one's cap from the umpire, begs 2 questions. If instead of 1 overthrow, there had been 2-3 overthrows, 1-2 dropped catches, would then Bresnan be justified to maybe push the umpire as well, apart from snatching his cap away? Secondly would he do this if Taufel had been the umpire? Umpires are institutions, respect towards them is part of the package of being a player, just like advocates and witnesses need to respect judges. By justifying Bresnan's behavior, Flower is wrong IMHO. One does feel, however, that Flower is justified in taking umbrage at Dhoni for commenting on the goings on within the English camp. How is that Dhoni's business? He just had a nightmare tour, where nothing worked for him & now he's got advice for the Eng?

  • Behind_the_bowlers_arm on October 22, 2011, 6:52 GMT

    We hear a lot about what a great bunch England and how together they are but the issue is their reaction to each other when things go badly. There have always been bowlers screaming and shouting at fielders when mistakes happen but it is quite noticeable with this team. But according to Flower and the players all is harmonious . So be it.

  • sweetspot on October 22, 2011, 6:50 GMT

    On the "other" matter of playing the game, India handled the pressure without any panic and made this 3rd ODI look like a much closer affair than it ever was. With Dhoni around, there is always bound to be that sneaky feeling that his opposition might pull off one of these close wins, but rarely does he let go of such opportunities.

  • sweetspot on October 22, 2011, 6:48 GMT

    Andy Flower talks about balance, as if the average of bad behaviour and great behaviour somehow becomes good behaviour. He should tell his players to shut up and play the game. Same for any team. The focus should be on the contest, not on the useless bravado in a non contact sport. It is lame to explain why Bresnan might have been upset. If the umpire is shown disrespect, it is perfectly normal for the player to be fined. Would you get away with spitting on your neighbour if you're disgusted with your dog's behaviour?

  • rsurya on October 22, 2011, 6:48 GMT

    India didnt react the same way when they were ruthlessly defeated in England. Atlast Andy came out with something to speak about.

  • JB77 on October 22, 2011, 6:12 GMT

    The only thing that suprises me about England and India engaging in sledging is that neither team has blamed Australia for somehow starting it....yet.

  • Gupta.Ankur on October 22, 2011, 6:05 GMT

    Its pretty dis-appointing to hear Flower encouraging sledging and angry gestures among his pupils....

    Must follow Dhoni's foot-steps and becoming a good ambassador of the game....with humility and dignity...

  • amoghm on October 22, 2011, 5:58 GMT

    Andy has this good old habit of defending whatever his sides do.. only sometimes he does this overtime.... and may be thats his way of retaining jobs.

  • on October 22, 2011, 5:38 GMT

    England can't digest the loss here. Hats off to India to remain calm even after loosing so many matches in England. Dhoni has a great control on his players and also player respect him most after Sachin . India has to face the highest level of criticism if they fail still they kept their cool

  • sri1ram on October 22, 2011, 5:16 GMT

    Hmmm.. self-serving arguments from Trickster and his ilk. India lost 8-10 matches in all formats in England, but were never once accused of "whingeing" or whining or trying to disturb the English batsmen. Losses automatically bring about the worst in players, especially in world numero uno's, who hate to give up their titles - even then we hadn't seen the Indians collectively going about displaying on-field talk rather than skills (personally was surprised to not even see one stray sound byte from individuals like Harbhajan or Sreesanth). In fact, the Indians even got the best field sportsmenship award from ICC for their attitude starting with the captain. Maybe it is too much to expect reciprocity from the gentlemanly English players nowadays. MSD commented on English chirping at Indians from behind the stumps or close-in fielders or bowlers, not at Englishmen having a go among themselves - the latter discord is good from India's vantage point, like the Swann and Pieterson saga.

  • anuradha_d on October 22, 2011, 5:09 GMT

    I think Flower is feeling the heat....else he is not the type to come our defensively so easily and so quickly

  • k87183 on October 22, 2011, 5:05 GMT

    The English cricketers (like their footballers) have always been cry babies. They have a bag ful of excuses ready when they start feeling the heat. Coming to the on going series, i would love to know where Vaughn and Hussain are hiding. I dont see them talking anymore about 'world domination'. Cant wait to send the English packing with 5-0 hiding.

  • the_blue_android on October 22, 2011, 5:03 GMT

    What else would a coach say? That he doesn't think the behaviour of his wards isn't upto standards? Talk about stating the obvious!

  • on October 22, 2011, 4:48 GMT

    Well well well...and what i am thinking at this moment is, thank god India did not let anyone berate themselves for their on-field behaviour despite having a frustratingly bad trip in England. I feel MSD has been a totally exemplary captain, calm and collected. And his influence is immense on the team. On the other hand though Alastair Cook would himself pick-up a fight (with Praveen Kumar). And @Trickstar: Well your name itself is amusing isn't it. On field, it is on Kohli who chatters a lot, and he doesn't surge on anyone like Trott, Finn and your captain. And whatever MSD said was in response to a journalist's question. And if India were a joke in England, Engalnd in India must be a full-fledged slaptsick comedy

  • r.satishkumar on October 22, 2011, 4:30 GMT

    hey uk india did well batting in odi at england.so please stop talking abut india

  • bigwonder on October 22, 2011, 3:03 GMT

    Wow, arrogance at its best. Flower, you are the greatest show man. In England you went to Indian Team just to please the crowd and here you are defending bad on-field behavior. Since when did showing dissent towards Umpires is OK? If I have a bad day at work and get pulled over by cop, I can't start snatching the tickets of his/her hand. What happened to your mantra of "Gentleman's game"?

  • NumberXI on October 22, 2011, 2:47 GMT

    What else is Flower expected to say anyway? Ask the team to shut up and get on with the game, that too via the media? He may say so in team meetings but he definitely wouldn't want to do that publicly. As for Dhoni, he isn't "on a of a whinge" (as Trickstar puts it). He is just enjoying the misery of an opposition who he is happy to get back at after being at the receiving end not so long ago. I think the big difference is in how India reacted to the beating they took in England and how England are taking it. India were beaten and they were willing to look at themselves instead of blaming everything else. This current form may not last, but that maturity should help. Flower, Cook and co do have something to learn from this experience.

  • on October 22, 2011, 2:31 GMT

    The match referee has conducted a hearing that found Bresnan guilty. He has been duly punished; but for the England coach to be still saying Bresnan was not wrong, not only endorses indiscipline it is also to be seen as critical of the action taken. The way I see it, it equates with contempt of court and Flower needs to be put in his place by the ICC.

  • on October 22, 2011, 1:35 GMT

    Englands 20 20 team should be

    Trego Kieswetter(wkt) Pietersen Taylor Morgan(when fit) Shah Bairstow Napier Swann Briggs Bresnan Dernbach

    Such a shame Ryan Ten doscate isnt avaliable to play for England as he would make it into this 20 20 team as he ofers powerful batting,useful bowling and great fielding.

  • on October 22, 2011, 1:29 GMT

    My ODI team would be

    Bell Kieswetter Pietersen Trott Bopara Bairstow/Taylor Patel/Briggs Swann Foster (Wkt) Bresnan Finn

    Bairstow doesnt get keeping duties as his glovework isnt good enough yet. Kieswetter stays in because he has played well generally for england in ODI's in the past 6 month. However a look out for a left handed opener would be on the England teams wanted list. Foster gets the gloves as he is by far the best gloveman in England.

  • on October 22, 2011, 0:40 GMT

    If England are looking for a specialist ODI keeper they need to bring in James Foster. He is the only player to fit the bill of expertise behind the stumps. Kieswetter needs to focus on his batting. Dernbach at the moment doesnt look ready as he's going for too many runs and is lacking pace and control to worry India's fearless ODI batting line up. I think Cook needs to stand down as captain as he is not strong enough batsman in Indian pitches as Cook's technique relys on timing and placement and a hit/slog to the on side.Cook's off side big hitting is very weak which tells the Indian bowlers to make Cook play off the front foot to the off side. If Cook wasnt captain he wouldnt be in the side. Nick Knight was a much better ODI opener than is Cook.

  • SanjivAwesome on October 22, 2011, 0:38 GMT

    England is fundamentally a good team. I feel they did well at Mohali. Mohali could have gone either way. The onus is now on Dhoni to keep the winning streak going. Can we make it 5-0, that should be the question in Dhoni's mind.

  • SRT_GENIUS on October 21, 2011, 23:14 GMT

    Andy knows how to make a team better... but doesn't know how to keep them there.

  • Meety on October 21, 2011, 23:07 GMT

    @landl47 - I think there are degrees of sledging. Simple stuff like enquiring if the batsmen actually knows what he is doing is good banter & often leads to some comical stuff. Insults that directly drag in ancestry, race or religion is not (IMO). I don't mind chatter between teams, but snatching the hat from the Umpire IS dissent in my books. I think the fine was ok as he hasn't really shown that side of himself before, but another breach & I'd fine him 100% match fees + a match suspension. I agree that the bagging of Trott is very misguided. Without Trott "inching" along at a S/R of about 85, England wouldn't of got 250. IMO the top order is wrong, I think Cook shouldn't open for 2 reasons, 1. He is not suited to it & his Test form will suffer, 2. He is better suited to the middle overs. I'd bat Cook at #4, with Bell, KP & Trott in the top 3. Kieswetter hasn't got the class to be a permanent opener & needs to be a traditional slogger at the end of an innings.

  • PACERONE on October 21, 2011, 22:55 GMT

    Flower is full of bull.If what the players are saying is okay why do we not hear it in the broadcast.It might be more interesting than listening to Hussien and others praise their respective teams as great players. The umpires should not be holding anything for players..let them stick their caps in their trousers waist or have a team mate hold all the other pieces of stuff they have....sunglasses etc. When I played bowlers who mouth off usually got spanked badly and batsmen who did not wear so much protective gear were sensible enough not to irritate good and fast bowlers.Three bouncers in a row....handle them or get hit.We used to hook bouncers in the first over this used to bring excitement to the start of the game.This without helmets and on fast wickets.

  • Optic on October 21, 2011, 22:46 GMT

    @kasi_214 Broad's father has never been a official in one of his sons games and it also sounds like you haven't even seen why Bresnan got fined because it's something you see 2 or 3 times a game in most limited overs internationals. Bowlers snatch their cap back when they've had poor overs, or catches put down. In the worst cases, that you see a fair bit of is when the umpire won't give the decision, that would be a reason for a fine but not in Bresnan's which was because the batsmen edged for 4 and also someone overthrew for 5 byes, obviously not directed at the umpire. Shame on you for making things up though.

  • RakeshGPradhan on October 21, 2011, 22:32 GMT

    My coach once said to me the best way to stop the "chirping" from bowlers is to win the match... the chat soon stops when you are the one collecting the winners cheque .. bresnan may have been disappointed with the fielding off his bowling but he too was guilty of letting a regulation stop go for four... cricket is a team game and within that structure their are roles for allsorts even players like Trott. If trott was as elegant as Dravid would he get the same criticism, i bet not.. it would help trott if englands openers were able to lay a proper foundation for the likes of Trott, pietersen and Bopara to play without having to rebuild all the time

  • Trickstar on October 21, 2011, 22:26 GMT

    @Ellis Did you even watch the last few games because it doesn't sound like it, the Indians have been at it just as bad the England players and have 2 or 3 players who can't keep it shut in the field but as is always the case, they dish it out but can't take it, they've been this way for years, they think they can say what they want but if someone says something back they take offense. If they have had enough as you've put it, they want to stop doing it themselves, don't they? Add to that how is it Dhoni's place to comment on whether England players are having a go at each other for miss fields or dropped catches, it's how the team have always gone about their business and has been spoken about before by Flower and co. It just looks like Dhoni's on a bit of a whinge now he's back home and got a few wins under his belt, it's funny really because you didn't see it from England when India were a joke over there, they had enough ammo to do so.

  • JG2704 on October 21, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    Personally I'm not against a bit of chat so long as it doesn't get too personal . For me Swann was showing passion and will to win and Bres was showing frustration at himself. Had it been against an umpiring decision it would be a different matter. Kieswetter appeals for too much for my liking and I wonder if at times this could even sway the umpire the other way

  • JG2704 on October 21, 2011, 22:08 GMT

    @phoenixsteve - Out of interest bud , why would you put Bell in ahead of Bairstow? Bell averages less than 35 , his strike rate is less than 75 and has scored 1 century in over 100 ODI innings. Also not sure about Onions as a one day bowler. Personally I'd take Bresnan out. He has not performed with the ball for some time (and looked lethargic at times in the field and may need to recharge the batteries and bring in Borthwick - I thought it was no coincidence that Patel,Swann,Bopara showed more control than Bres,Dern and (less so) Finn. I'd leave the batting as it is

  • AidanCricketFan on October 21, 2011, 21:53 GMT

    THEY ARE A DISGRACE.

    Cricket is about sportsmanship, verbal abuse has no place in the game, whether others do it or not. We should lead by example.

    These guys need to focus on winning their matches and keep their mouths shut.

  • phoenixsteve on October 21, 2011, 21:27 GMT

    Words of support and wisedom from Andy Flower - as always! There's no need to panic and even a whitewash shouldn't really shake the foundations too much! India have played well (they couldn't keep being so poor) and England simply have not! A few personnel changes seem in order and my England side would be 1) Cook 2) Bell 3/4 (Interchangable) Pietersen/Trott 5) Bairstow (wk) 6) Bopara 7) Patel 8) Bresnan 9) Swann 10) Onions 11) Finn. I think the Dernbach experiment has failed and to an extent so has Kiesweter- but mainly due to his poor glovework. In the last game England scored enough runs and really should have won - but for an unprofessional fielding and bowling display? Dernbach in particular was dreadful and the tone set by Kiesweter was poor! Win the next 2 and all will be forgiven.... even 1 victory would be welcome! COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • landl47 on October 21, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    I'm against 'sledging' and think it has no part in sports. To the extent that England, or any other side, indulge in it I think they are wrong to do so. I didn't see Bresnan's actions as involving dissent in respect of any decision the umpire made; discourtesy, perhaps, but not dissent. I can't understand the controversy involving Trott; because of him the score England put up was 298-4. That's a reasonable score anywhere and England came pretty close to defending it. Their failure to do so was a combination of good Indian batting and mistakes in the field, not the inadequacy of the score.

  • NRI- on October 21, 2011, 21:07 GMT

    Time for Ian Bell, currently batting like the best in the world, to step in for Bairstow and for Prior or Davies to take over from Kieswetter.

  • kasi_214 on October 21, 2011, 20:48 GMT

    you hale and praise about ur players because no one is going to believe that or they behavior. is always their behaviour we have seen when broad was to be charged his father who was the match refere did nothing and now u try to backup bresnan. i dont talk about this particular match but there was an interview where bresnan said "if we cant ball well we somehow try to get into the batsmen's bubble". u say it is a good conduct shame on you. great player like u hales for your yeammate even where he is wrong.

  • Ellis on October 21, 2011, 20:16 GMT

    There is far too much " chat" from the English players with their fast bowlers being particular offenders. Finn and Dernbach are examples in this series, and Anderson has been in other series. Dhoni has commented on this before and it is clear the Indian team has had enough. They are going to fight fire with fire, as they should. Flower has no other option but to defend his team. He may have convinced himself but not most other impartial cricket fans. More skill and less " chat" from the supposed No. 1 team in the world may improve their performance.

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  • Ellis on October 21, 2011, 20:16 GMT

    There is far too much " chat" from the English players with their fast bowlers being particular offenders. Finn and Dernbach are examples in this series, and Anderson has been in other series. Dhoni has commented on this before and it is clear the Indian team has had enough. They are going to fight fire with fire, as they should. Flower has no other option but to defend his team. He may have convinced himself but not most other impartial cricket fans. More skill and less " chat" from the supposed No. 1 team in the world may improve their performance.

  • kasi_214 on October 21, 2011, 20:48 GMT

    you hale and praise about ur players because no one is going to believe that or they behavior. is always their behaviour we have seen when broad was to be charged his father who was the match refere did nothing and now u try to backup bresnan. i dont talk about this particular match but there was an interview where bresnan said "if we cant ball well we somehow try to get into the batsmen's bubble". u say it is a good conduct shame on you. great player like u hales for your yeammate even where he is wrong.

  • NRI- on October 21, 2011, 21:07 GMT

    Time for Ian Bell, currently batting like the best in the world, to step in for Bairstow and for Prior or Davies to take over from Kieswetter.

  • landl47 on October 21, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    I'm against 'sledging' and think it has no part in sports. To the extent that England, or any other side, indulge in it I think they are wrong to do so. I didn't see Bresnan's actions as involving dissent in respect of any decision the umpire made; discourtesy, perhaps, but not dissent. I can't understand the controversy involving Trott; because of him the score England put up was 298-4. That's a reasonable score anywhere and England came pretty close to defending it. Their failure to do so was a combination of good Indian batting and mistakes in the field, not the inadequacy of the score.

  • phoenixsteve on October 21, 2011, 21:27 GMT

    Words of support and wisedom from Andy Flower - as always! There's no need to panic and even a whitewash shouldn't really shake the foundations too much! India have played well (they couldn't keep being so poor) and England simply have not! A few personnel changes seem in order and my England side would be 1) Cook 2) Bell 3/4 (Interchangable) Pietersen/Trott 5) Bairstow (wk) 6) Bopara 7) Patel 8) Bresnan 9) Swann 10) Onions 11) Finn. I think the Dernbach experiment has failed and to an extent so has Kiesweter- but mainly due to his poor glovework. In the last game England scored enough runs and really should have won - but for an unprofessional fielding and bowling display? Dernbach in particular was dreadful and the tone set by Kiesweter was poor! Win the next 2 and all will be forgiven.... even 1 victory would be welcome! COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • AidanCricketFan on October 21, 2011, 21:53 GMT

    THEY ARE A DISGRACE.

    Cricket is about sportsmanship, verbal abuse has no place in the game, whether others do it or not. We should lead by example.

    These guys need to focus on winning their matches and keep their mouths shut.

  • JG2704 on October 21, 2011, 22:08 GMT

    @phoenixsteve - Out of interest bud , why would you put Bell in ahead of Bairstow? Bell averages less than 35 , his strike rate is less than 75 and has scored 1 century in over 100 ODI innings. Also not sure about Onions as a one day bowler. Personally I'd take Bresnan out. He has not performed with the ball for some time (and looked lethargic at times in the field and may need to recharge the batteries and bring in Borthwick - I thought it was no coincidence that Patel,Swann,Bopara showed more control than Bres,Dern and (less so) Finn. I'd leave the batting as it is

  • JG2704 on October 21, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    Personally I'm not against a bit of chat so long as it doesn't get too personal . For me Swann was showing passion and will to win and Bres was showing frustration at himself. Had it been against an umpiring decision it would be a different matter. Kieswetter appeals for too much for my liking and I wonder if at times this could even sway the umpire the other way

  • Trickstar on October 21, 2011, 22:26 GMT

    @Ellis Did you even watch the last few games because it doesn't sound like it, the Indians have been at it just as bad the England players and have 2 or 3 players who can't keep it shut in the field but as is always the case, they dish it out but can't take it, they've been this way for years, they think they can say what they want but if someone says something back they take offense. If they have had enough as you've put it, they want to stop doing it themselves, don't they? Add to that how is it Dhoni's place to comment on whether England players are having a go at each other for miss fields or dropped catches, it's how the team have always gone about their business and has been spoken about before by Flower and co. It just looks like Dhoni's on a bit of a whinge now he's back home and got a few wins under his belt, it's funny really because you didn't see it from England when India were a joke over there, they had enough ammo to do so.

  • RakeshGPradhan on October 21, 2011, 22:32 GMT

    My coach once said to me the best way to stop the "chirping" from bowlers is to win the match... the chat soon stops when you are the one collecting the winners cheque .. bresnan may have been disappointed with the fielding off his bowling but he too was guilty of letting a regulation stop go for four... cricket is a team game and within that structure their are roles for allsorts even players like Trott. If trott was as elegant as Dravid would he get the same criticism, i bet not.. it would help trott if englands openers were able to lay a proper foundation for the likes of Trott, pietersen and Bopara to play without having to rebuild all the time