West Indies in India 2013-14 November 19, 2013

Lara questions Narine, Bravo absence in Tests

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Brian Lara has questioned the selectors' decision to ignore the pair of Dwayne Bravo and Sunil Narine for the Test leg of West Indies' India tour.

According to Lara, Bravo had equal, if not stronger, credentials as an allrounder than West Indies captain Darren Sammy, who made only 25 runs in the series and went wicketless. More "baffling" was the omission of Sunil Narine, who, according to Lara, is the best spinner in Caribbean first-class cricket at the moment.

Writing in his column for The Times of India Lara made it clear that he had nothing against Sammy's position and even had sympathy for the St Lucian, who he felt was unfairly dropped as ODI captain earlier this year.

"I don't need any confirmation from Sammy, I know for a fact that his confidence was shattered and he started to wonder what's going to happen next," Lara wrote. "Well what we saw in the Test series is a result of this chain of events. A captain that looked lost on the field and his personal display especially with the bat, was one even he would like to forget."

According to Lara the selectors had benched the wrong people and the consequences had badly hurt the team. "What about the Test squad selected for this tour? The very day that Sammy was elected as captain of the team it made it very difficult for someone like Dwayne Bravo to be considered. Dwayne hasn't played Test cricket for about three years now and knowing him closely it pains him that the selectors seem to only require him for the shorter versions of the game.

"A more baffling omission is Sunil Narine, the most successful bowler in West Indies regional 4-day cricket," Lara said. "You would think that he knows Indian pitches like the back of his hand. Another one of world's best cricketers labeled by our selectors as not good enough."

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  • Alex449 on November 26, 2013, 13:07 GMT

    Sammy is the best captain for WI at the moment. He's a great all rounder. He can bat, bow and field. Every player has a bad spell even Lara but how could sammy perform to his best when everyone is down his back and saying he shouldn't be on the side. Are we forgetting that sammy lead the side to a T20 world cup win ? everyone needs to get off his back and let him do his thing

  • Javed_17 on November 23, 2013, 1:16 GMT

    @viv-sobers i read all the posts here and usually i just shake my head at the lack of cricketing and sometimes basic common sense. However, you have hit the nail on the head there, bishoo has not truly failed on any occasion. What is more remarkable is his control for a legspinner is great at the regional level. Sunil Narine I like unfortunately in test matches his variations are not enough to force shots out of batsmen. On the other hand leg spinners easily get batsmen to offer shots

  • on November 22, 2013, 12:40 GMT

    I agree with the Narine being in the side. He would make a big difference in the bowling line up. However, Bravo, I have seen him in tests, and he is no different than the other unstable cricketers in the team. They perform good once in a while and perform extremely poorly frequently against higher ranked team especially. And if they perform good against a higher ranked team it is usually after they have already lost the series; that's just so they can stay in the team for the next tour to free-load off of the WICB and paying fans. Mark you at this moment, I think I am only going to watch the WI women when they tour the WI, because you know you will always see good cricket from them no matter who the competitor is; Dottin and Taylor are legends in the making.

  • anver777 on November 21, 2013, 4:21 GMT

    I totally agree with Lara... Narine had performed so well on Indian spin friendly pitches, but for some reason he couldn't find a place in test XI !!!! Wake up WI !!!

  • BigINDFan on November 20, 2013, 15:37 GMT

    WI needs a captain for all formats based on his leadership qualities and then his playing skills. Dwayne Bravo is not that man, Chris Gayle certainly not. Sammy is the best captain for now. Of course he played the last two tests badly so did the others. What happened to Chanderpaul? He had a miserable series by his standards.

    WI should pick a young team for Tests and get rid of politics. If Sammy is not right then play him in shorter versions where he is good lower down the order. Find a new captain for Tests like Dawyne Smith or Narine and give them lot of chances to get it right. Gayle should be playing Tests not as an opener but in the middle order. My preferred order for Tests:

    Darren Bravo, Powell, Chanderpaul, Samuels, Gayle, D. Smith, Ramdin,Narine, Rampaul, Roach,Best/Holder/Shillingford

  • triniraj1 on November 20, 2013, 15:36 GMT

    WICB always seem to make decisions that ruin players! they should all be replaced and even LARA knows that after it's one of the reason that HE has stopped! WICB seems to be having fun because they love to let the rest of the world laugh at us in every test match! come on WICB wake up and smell the coffee!

  • on November 20, 2013, 11:56 GMT

    No place for Gayle ...sorry folks. And even if he hasn't seen much success recently, U cannot and should not leave out Sarwan... EVER !

    Captain : Denesh Ramdin

    1. Dwayne Bravo 2. Darren Bravo 3. Chanders 4. Sarwan 5. Ramdin

    6. Adrian Barath / Braithwaite / Powell 7. Sammy / Kieran Pollard / Dwayne Smith / Andre Russel

    8. Sunil Narine 9. Bishoo/ Deonarine/ Permaul/Shilingford 10 / 11 out of Roach/ Best / Holder etc

  • SwingandSeam on November 20, 2013, 10:33 GMT

    There are too many players who simply do not contribute, with Sammy, Best and Ramdin the weakest links. I would suggest the following eleven: Gayle, Powell, Chanderpaul, Bravo, Samuels, Deonarine, Charles, Shillingford, Holder, Roach, Permaul/Gabriel.

    Deonarine can play as the fifth bowler/all-rounder. Narine has not excelled at Test level, so would play either Permaul or Gabriel depending on opposition and conditions.

  • Mayaro_Man on November 20, 2013, 9:32 GMT

    whatever happened to Devindra Bishoo. It seems one failure and you're gone while we continue to carry average players.

  • fenil4u on November 20, 2013, 8:08 GMT

    The way things are going, I don't think WI selectors are much interested in a full throttle talent hunt. It feels sad but I guess selectors will try and do that only when Chanderpaul retires.

  • Alex449 on November 26, 2013, 13:07 GMT

    Sammy is the best captain for WI at the moment. He's a great all rounder. He can bat, bow and field. Every player has a bad spell even Lara but how could sammy perform to his best when everyone is down his back and saying he shouldn't be on the side. Are we forgetting that sammy lead the side to a T20 world cup win ? everyone needs to get off his back and let him do his thing

  • Javed_17 on November 23, 2013, 1:16 GMT

    @viv-sobers i read all the posts here and usually i just shake my head at the lack of cricketing and sometimes basic common sense. However, you have hit the nail on the head there, bishoo has not truly failed on any occasion. What is more remarkable is his control for a legspinner is great at the regional level. Sunil Narine I like unfortunately in test matches his variations are not enough to force shots out of batsmen. On the other hand leg spinners easily get batsmen to offer shots

  • on November 22, 2013, 12:40 GMT

    I agree with the Narine being in the side. He would make a big difference in the bowling line up. However, Bravo, I have seen him in tests, and he is no different than the other unstable cricketers in the team. They perform good once in a while and perform extremely poorly frequently against higher ranked team especially. And if they perform good against a higher ranked team it is usually after they have already lost the series; that's just so they can stay in the team for the next tour to free-load off of the WICB and paying fans. Mark you at this moment, I think I am only going to watch the WI women when they tour the WI, because you know you will always see good cricket from them no matter who the competitor is; Dottin and Taylor are legends in the making.

  • anver777 on November 21, 2013, 4:21 GMT

    I totally agree with Lara... Narine had performed so well on Indian spin friendly pitches, but for some reason he couldn't find a place in test XI !!!! Wake up WI !!!

  • BigINDFan on November 20, 2013, 15:37 GMT

    WI needs a captain for all formats based on his leadership qualities and then his playing skills. Dwayne Bravo is not that man, Chris Gayle certainly not. Sammy is the best captain for now. Of course he played the last two tests badly so did the others. What happened to Chanderpaul? He had a miserable series by his standards.

    WI should pick a young team for Tests and get rid of politics. If Sammy is not right then play him in shorter versions where he is good lower down the order. Find a new captain for Tests like Dawyne Smith or Narine and give them lot of chances to get it right. Gayle should be playing Tests not as an opener but in the middle order. My preferred order for Tests:

    Darren Bravo, Powell, Chanderpaul, Samuels, Gayle, D. Smith, Ramdin,Narine, Rampaul, Roach,Best/Holder/Shillingford

  • triniraj1 on November 20, 2013, 15:36 GMT

    WICB always seem to make decisions that ruin players! they should all be replaced and even LARA knows that after it's one of the reason that HE has stopped! WICB seems to be having fun because they love to let the rest of the world laugh at us in every test match! come on WICB wake up and smell the coffee!

  • on November 20, 2013, 11:56 GMT

    No place for Gayle ...sorry folks. And even if he hasn't seen much success recently, U cannot and should not leave out Sarwan... EVER !

    Captain : Denesh Ramdin

    1. Dwayne Bravo 2. Darren Bravo 3. Chanders 4. Sarwan 5. Ramdin

    6. Adrian Barath / Braithwaite / Powell 7. Sammy / Kieran Pollard / Dwayne Smith / Andre Russel

    8. Sunil Narine 9. Bishoo/ Deonarine/ Permaul/Shilingford 10 / 11 out of Roach/ Best / Holder etc

  • SwingandSeam on November 20, 2013, 10:33 GMT

    There are too many players who simply do not contribute, with Sammy, Best and Ramdin the weakest links. I would suggest the following eleven: Gayle, Powell, Chanderpaul, Bravo, Samuels, Deonarine, Charles, Shillingford, Holder, Roach, Permaul/Gabriel.

    Deonarine can play as the fifth bowler/all-rounder. Narine has not excelled at Test level, so would play either Permaul or Gabriel depending on opposition and conditions.

  • Mayaro_Man on November 20, 2013, 9:32 GMT

    whatever happened to Devindra Bishoo. It seems one failure and you're gone while we continue to carry average players.

  • fenil4u on November 20, 2013, 8:08 GMT

    The way things are going, I don't think WI selectors are much interested in a full throttle talent hunt. It feels sad but I guess selectors will try and do that only when Chanderpaul retires.

  • fenil4u on November 20, 2013, 8:06 GMT

    I cannot see a reason why Kirk Edwards and Kraigg Brathwaite are not playing. It is about time that Ramdin should be axed too. Walton has been good last season so why not try him out? Sarwan, unfortunately has failed which is a huge setback too.

  • on November 20, 2013, 4:40 GMT

    Narine can't get a place over Shillingford and this proves it. We never missed him but we did miss Rampaul and Roach and as much as i admire Sammy i thinks it's time now. He has done his country proud, came in at a very difficult time and molded a team that rose in the rankings something Lara, Gayle etc found difficult and with much better teams so respect him for that but he needs to be playing the shorter formats now. He has served well but in the face of these defeats we need to rethink and come again.

  • on November 20, 2013, 3:18 GMT

    Sammy got a lot of influence in the growth of WI team last few years .. still he don't deserve a place in TEST team now ... and he is a good captain than bravo in both t20 and ODI , WI should give the young Darren bravo a chance to lead the TEST team , and as well WI should drop the non performing guys .. Chanderpaul should bat @ no.3 , My test team is Gayle , powell/Charles , Chanderpaul , Darren Bravo, Ramdin, Samuels , Dwyne Bravo,Ravi Rampaul , Tino \jason holder ,Naraine ( A must) ,Shillingford .

  • dilscoop on November 20, 2013, 0:42 GMT

    WI selections have been puzzling to say the least - sunil narine would not have done any worse than what permaul and deonarine did in both the tests. Bravo should have been the all rounder. Ramdhin batted no.6 in the first test. If that is so then Ashwin could easily bat at no.4 for the WI. As Holding suggested I feel there is no place for sammy in the test team. Apart from his catching, he under bowls in tests and cannot defend while batting. Bravo would be a far better replacement.

    Why is dwayne smith the star for Mumbai Indians not picked for the ODI's and T20's. I am very surprised. even in tests dwayne would do no worse than sammy. WI badly needs a foreign coach if they can afford the cost. God save the WI. How the once mighty have fallen.

  • sweetkay on November 20, 2013, 0:09 GMT

    I agree that Narine should have been included on the test squad. On the other hand i don't believe Bravo performance qualifies him for been on the test squad. Lara is been bias towards bravo the fact that they are both from the same country. I don't agree to him saying Bravo is more deserving to be on the test squad than Sammy. Lara should think before he speaks at all. When he himself was playing I sometimes thought he was playing for himself and not for the team. Sammy should not be chastised for loosing two test matches. The team is not only Sammy those who are criticizing him.

  • BellaCricket on November 19, 2013, 22:49 GMT

    I find it very strange that Brian Lara who has contributed nothing to West Indies cricket except for his personal achievements to comment on the suitability of Darren Sammy.

    Chris Gayle, the Bravo brothers, Deonarine & Samuels what have any of these individuals done for West Indies Cricket? They all came on to the team young and have wasted the best part of their years, they have contributed nothing to the growth of West Indies Cricket.

    Most of these comments from Lara, Holding and Lloyd are mostly based on island biases that exists. All of them want their country men to be the captain, and when given the opportunity all of them fail.

    Give Sammy a break! The best thing about all this talk is that Sammy has said time and time again that he knows that his time is short on the team.

  • VivGilchrist on November 19, 2013, 22:30 GMT

    Dwayne Bravo is an out and out Test no.7. He is not good enough to bat in the top 6 and not good enough to be only 1 of 4 bowlers. He does add depth as a number 7 though. For him to warrant a place in the team WI need a wk that is good enough to hold down no.6 in the order. WI got it wrong as Sammy should have stayed on as T20 and ODI captain, but the problem is, is that there is no suitable captain to replace him in the Test line up. Still waiting to see Roach, Rampaul, and Johnson to be the WI seam attack in Tests.....

  • on November 19, 2013, 22:30 GMT

    People !!! Stop asking this team or that team. Even if you think you have the best, they are doomed to fail. I remember a discussion with Clayton lambert, former WI openning batsman when I introduced him to a afriend of mine. having shook my friends hand, Mr Lambert exclaimed: "man you got strong hands you will be good for the team"....yeap, this was coming from the Coach of The USA Team. So in these peoples mind, they believe that big and strong are the premier requisites for outstanding performance. They are cluless. They canot and will not be champions ever again, because the rest of the world have mastered the art of the game, and it is not muscle.....

  • on November 19, 2013, 21:53 GMT

    Narine is the best spin bowler in the world and the West Indies must have been mad to leave him out of th Indian series.Ok Shillingworth bowled well but put them both in-get rid of some of those other useless bowlers.Dick Jones NZ

  • Rahulbose on November 19, 2013, 20:52 GMT

    Anytime a team loses this badly the reputation of players on the bench gets a boost. Shillingford did alright in the spin bowling department, I doubt Narine would have done much better.

  • Mayfield on November 19, 2013, 19:55 GMT

    @Anthony mailnard. Answer: Only the WI. Not even Zimbabwe would have him. This is why the WI team is a joke.

  • Mayfield on November 19, 2013, 19:51 GMT

    The very day that Sammy was elected as captain of the team it made it very difficult for someone like Dwayne Bravo to be considered. Dwayne hasn't played Test cricket for about three years now and knowing him closely it pains him that the selectors seem to only require him for the shorter versions of the game. If my memory serves me correctly, someone correct me if I am wrong. Wasn't it Dwayne Bravo(vice captain) and Chris Gayle (Captain) who refused to sign WICB contracts at the time? In my opinion the captaincy was Bravo's, instead he was focusing on making money in the T20 leagues. I dont blame him for trying to make money, but he subsequently was injured and its apparent that his skills have dropped off due to this and playing 20/20 cricket. Bravo should not be made captain, he certainly is not the player he used to be.

  • on November 19, 2013, 19:14 GMT

    Can anyone with inside information on the mental preparation fo players help me with the following: name the books that the WI players are required to read; how many hours of classroom time do players spend on DATA ANALYSIS, including studying their own performance data; are players and coaching staff receiving training on HOWto respond to media; how many players are required to do community service in their respective countries regarding grass root training and provide feedback in class room style learning environment with team mates?

  • on November 19, 2013, 18:53 GMT

    MY TEST TEAM : gayle, powell , darren bravo, chanderpaul, samuels, dwayne bravo, ramdin,rampaul, tino best, narine, shillingford

  • TAJY on November 19, 2013, 18:52 GMT

    I agree with the Narine argument. But Dwayne Bravo has not been that much more successful in Tests than Sammy, albeit he is a better player, he's not the solution to righting this ship. Bravo is a better wicket taker, and has a much better batting technique suited for Test cricket than Sammy. Sammy's only strength over Bravo is his more economical bowling. Bravo is very expensive in all forms of cricket. Lara has always supported Bravo, having lived in the same village as Bravo. He is a little biased towards him, and he's obviously rooting for his countrymen here

  • nafzak on November 19, 2013, 17:19 GMT

    Narine needs an extended play at Test Cricket and not just the few matches before they uncermoniously dumped on him. Sarwan was brought back but just like Tony Cozier said at the time, you got the feeling that Sarwan was one failure and he's gone and that's exactly what they did to Sarwan. Fact is, certain selectors and the coach just does not want Sarwan on the team. Why is Chanders nopt on the ODI team? For those who check stats, well you better look at Deonarine bowling in WI 1st class cricket. He had a one innings 7 wicket haul in teh last 4 day domestic competition. He's become more than just a part time bowler for Guyana and was way underused against India. Previous series in India, WI were very suspect against spin and they looked even worse this time around. Only Chanders played spin with any confidence. In the 2nd Test, I thought that Ramdin played pretty well behind the stumps and with the bat as well. Just my take.

  • on November 19, 2013, 17:17 GMT

    Brian Lara should speak last. He is the one to be blamed firstly for the down fall of Ramnaresh Sarwan during his tour in Pakistan. Sarwan came back home with a bang being the top scorer in the 50 over matches in the West Indies. Subsequently, ultimatum was set against Sarwan destroying him mentally and physiologically. Favoritism will never end in the West Indies camp.

  • on November 19, 2013, 17:03 GMT

    One question What Test playing Nation can Darren Sammy hold on to a TEST PLACE?

  • on November 19, 2013, 16:41 GMT

    I was wondering the same... Why no Bravo, Narine, Pollard in the test team... Sammy, no way he deserves a place in the test team.. Chanderpaul should bat up the order.. He is the wall of WI team, but, there is none to support him.. High time the selectors should implement the changes needed in the squad...

  • on November 19, 2013, 16:30 GMT

    Naraine was the star in the last IPL taking scalps aplenty. Lara is correct to question his omission from the team. He has more than proved his worth in Indian conditions. Bravo and Naraine would have made a world of difference for the merry Islanders.

  • Orangetable on November 19, 2013, 15:37 GMT

    How can Sammy be in the test team, when he cant bat or bowl?

  • fridge87 on November 19, 2013, 14:50 GMT

    On my point of having 1 bowler the most effective would be shillingford followed by narsingh then sammy and samuels gayle who wasn't used then gabriel cottrel and best. In my defence shillingford and narsingh are attacking sammy is consistent (narsingh is a part timer so not considered bowler) the only two capable of picking wickets the rest waits for batsmen to slip more sammy than the rest with best only awaiting loose shots 4 his wickets a ploy that as shown is near impossible from top ranked teams again emphasising the lose of roach and exclusion of rampaul narine and bravo

  • on November 19, 2013, 14:39 GMT

    While I agree with Lara questions he seem to be suggesting that Trinidad players are only solution.

  • on November 19, 2013, 14:25 GMT

    Good job by Brian Lara. We need to hear from other Windies Legends on the mess that the Selectors, Head Coach and Board have created. The Windian cricket loving public deserves better. I totally disagree with anyone who thinks that Sammy has done a good job as captain. A captain does not have to be the best player on the team, he must be in a position to contribute positively to the team. Could anyone indicate the last game in all three formats of the game when Sammy's performance was other than mediocre? If it was left to Coach Gibson Chanderpaul would have been out of the team a couple years ago. Why is Best being selected ahead of Rampaul? Why wasn't Narine taken to India? What has Deonarine's contribution been to justify his position. Gayle seems to be out of his depth against good medium to fast bowling. This is not the time to retain players based on reputation, we need new blood. The talent is there. We got to think outside the box. How about Powell as Capt?

  • aclarity on November 19, 2013, 14:16 GMT

    We have short memories. Lara is one of the architects of WI demise. Given a chance he will choose all T&T players. Dwayne Bravo is sbarely a better batsman than Sammy and a worse bowler. Dwayne Bravo as captain has benn horrible. He is a T20 man only. Butts and the rest of the Lara era selectors and President together with Gibson are the problem. We need to go young. Gayle, Ramdin, Sammy and the Lara era failures should now step aside.

  • rayinto on November 19, 2013, 14:09 GMT

    Say what! Narine is totally effective in test. Check his stats. However, I agree that Bravo should definitely replace Sammy.

  • kk_k163 on November 19, 2013, 14:07 GMT

    I felt the same thing when I saw the second match that WI is missing Sunil Narine. What they need is a quality spinner. He is one of the best spinners in the world now. He has taken crucial wickets in T20 matches and how can one not expect him do wonders in Test Cricket, that too when picth is helping so much for spinners. I wouldn't say that WI would have won the two matches with Narine on their side, but it sure would be have a tough deal for Indian batsment.

  • on November 19, 2013, 13:31 GMT

    K Edwards was very good in the Tour games, but as picked to play the test. it is really unfortunate. Like wise Rampaul, who is very good against indians was not picked in the playing 11. lol....

    It seems like they came here only to loose. Brathwaite, Dwayne Bravo & Narine were also missed in this test series. Insted of playing a extra spinner they should have fielded a 1 spin and 2 fast bowler and a allrounder option. This could have avoided an innings defeat. BTW I dont think Samules should bat before Shiv.

    He has to come after Sammy and has to learn to play test cricket before coming at 2 down.

  • on November 19, 2013, 13:03 GMT

    Sammy has done an excellent job as capt having brought stability and respectability to the team as seen from the climb in the rankings. What is the plan after sammy? If we are serious about succession planning then why wasn't Kirk Edwards given the opportunity to play to resurrect his test career against the same team that he started so well against. He is by far the best option as captain from the regional squads when you compare all other territorial captains. Darren Bravo nor Marlon Samuels are consistent enough. My Team Test: K. Powell, K. Brathwaite, K. Edwards (c), Darren. Bravo, S. Chanderpaul, M. Samuels, D.Ramdin, R. Rampaul, K. Roach, S. Shillingford, S. Narine My Team ODI: C. Gayle, J. Charles, K. Powell, Darren. Bravo, M. Samuels, K. Pollard, C. Walton, D. Sammy (c), S. Narine, R. Rampaul, K. Roach My Team T20: C. Gayle, J. Charles, M. Samuels, J. Carter, K. Pollard, C. Walton, D. Bravo, D. Sammy (c), S. Narine, R. Rampaul, K. Santokie

  • on November 19, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    sammy has to go and should be replaced by ramdin.\ the selectors should also be fird foe their incompetence.

  • fridge87 on November 19, 2013, 12:24 GMT

    To those misinformed individuals dwayne bravo is about the best test player in the wi barring shiv of course bravo once bowled a spell lasting over 45overs he was als ranked #3 test allrounder behind to greats kallis and vettori at that point bravo committed to wi test by undertaking surgery to be fit 4 wi selection on the upcoming our of aus rather than play in the stanford $20mil tournament since then h has ony been given one chance. Wi went to india with 1 bowler in shilly surely rampaul narine and bravo would have added strength in both departments by all 3 players

  • rock_kamran on November 19, 2013, 12:20 GMT

    If sunil narine will play in tests, the batsmen will play him for more time and as a result, all batsmen will understand his mystery spin.

  • chechong0114 on November 19, 2013, 12:01 GMT

    How does a team come from being the dominating force of world cricket to being the topic of consistent ridicule and question. Nobody on the team that is outstanding or even good and no one coming up in the ranks either, where does the problem really lie. People are saying that Bravo should have played but he is not committed, in case we have forgotten this is a man that was injured a few years ago while on international duty abroad and had to fit money out of his own pocket to pay his doctor bills so that he could be able to continue playing the game he loves. A lot of people in cricket are talking patriotic putting country before self but at the end of the day the players have bills to pay like regular people too and the WICB is a non profit organization that treat their players like commodities instead of the professionals that are so we the people need to consider these things before we start weighing in on players commitment. Change has to come from the top first.

  • ODI_BestFormOfCricket on November 19, 2013, 11:48 GMT

    total lack of vision in WI team management. Darren sammy and dinesh ramdin does not deserve a place in playing 11.

  • on November 19, 2013, 11:47 GMT

    valid points from the great lara but one really needs to find out what bravo & narine think abt their attitude irt test cricket. Bravo of whatver displys he's shown in shorter versions is a promising prospect but not truly bracketted as 'allrounder'. he's batting is as tempermental, if not shade better than sammy. as for his bowling it depends on what side of bed he gets up. As for narine he deserves a go before being written off. In short WI have been in longest possible process of rebuilding which has engupled 2 decades but still no end in sight. something quicly needs to b done b4 this erstwhile feary cricketing nation dies of unnatural death.

  • everfaithful77 on November 19, 2013, 11:23 GMT

    @wirus your comments are well taken. Dwayne BRAVO has the same problem with Sammy that he's neither a CONSISTENT batsman or a PENETRATIVE bowler. When he started playing test cricket he was doing quite well with the bat but his performances gradually declined. SAMMY started test cricket on a high note(remember the 7 wickets against England) but has never been consistent with either bat or ball. He was appointed captain mainly because of his commitment to Windies cricket and leadership qualities. However the current state of West Indies cricket require more than just good personal qualities. The team needs CONSISTENT, RESILIENT and IN-FORM players who don't collapse like dominoes in a heap or bowl all over the place, but DIG DEEP when needed. In this regard Steven SMITH, Rohit SHARMA, BROAD and CHANDERPAUL are great examples. Sammy & Bravo need to look at the great all-rounders like KALLIS, BOTHAM & SOBERS to fashion and improve their game and make them WORTHY to be in ANY TEST team.

  • joseyesu on November 19, 2013, 11:16 GMT

    To me Gayle, Powell/Edwards, Darren Bravo, Samuels, Chanderpaul, Dwayne bravo, Ramdin, Narine, Shillingford, Rampaul, xxx could have give good fight

  • Sultan2007 on November 19, 2013, 10:51 GMT

    Here's what I think. WI should have played 2 spinners. Shillingford and Narine. Both are wicket takers. Dwayne Bravo for Sammy would have been an improvement though not necessary a winning substitution. At the margin, they were short 1 penetrative quick bowler. The critical challenge before the Windies is their batting. There really is no one coming through. And hasnt done for the past 10 years. Gayle is done barring the odd moments of savagery. Chanderpaul can be obdurate but wont influence outcome of games any more. That leaves only Samuels and Darren Bravo. Both have quality but not the mental discipline for consistent test match performances. Gayle/Chander/Shilly/Samuels/Ramdin look OK - but they have SIX passengers!

  • blink182alex on November 19, 2013, 10:30 GMT

    If you drop Sammy (which they have to do to become a better side) who replaces him as captain? Gayle doesn't seem interested in tests whilst no one else is a guaranteed starter in their test team.

  • SwingandSeam on November 19, 2013, 10:04 GMT

    Unless the all rounder is outstanding, which applies to neither Bravo or Sammy, it is better to have a specialist batsmen at number seven. I also don't see why Best is still in the team when there are some very decent young fast bowlers sitting in the wings. What has happened to Carter, who has a very decent bowling average and has the height to trouble the batsmen with steep bounce. Delorn Johnson seems to have also dropped off the radar.

  • satishchandar on November 19, 2013, 9:20 GMT

    Dwayne Bravo these days is neither bowler nor batsman.. If you are going to state yourself as a class all rounder, you need to be strong in one department and okay in the other. Watson, Kallis, Shakib does this. If at all Bravo can replace, it would be Sammy if Bravo can send down 10-15 overs per day. Bat at 6 and allow extra bowler.

    Reg Narine, they unceremoniously dropped Shilly from test squad and Narine was proven unworthy. And, this was on his home ground.. Shilly came in deservedly and took mroe wickets. Second spinner could have been him but Permaul had a great A tour to India and deserved to be picked. I don't see any sorts of conspiracy going in there.

  • Buckers97 on November 19, 2013, 9:16 GMT

    Maybe in conditions like the ones in India, both Shillingford and Narine should be playing together. You have bounce and turn from Shillingford and mystery and change of pace from Narine. And I like Sammy but, I think Bravo should come in and be the test captain as well and ive the ODI captaincy back to Sammy. Depending on how Shillingford's bowling test goes, this would be my WI team for the NZ test series; 1.Gayle 2.Brathwaite 3.Darren Bravo 4.Chanderpaul 5.Samuels 6.Dw. Bravo (c) 7.Ramdin (wk,vc) 8.Sammy (doesn't bowl enough- it is because he is captain. Before he was captain he bowled really well and took a seven-fer.) 9.Roach 10.Shillingford 11.Gabriel/Best 12.Narine. With Sammy not as captain and as the 3rd seamer, Bravo will require him to bowl more often as the 3rd seamer. Bravo should still give himself 6 over spells and get a job done. The open bowls and two all-rounders the calibre of Bravo and Sammy should be able to bowl a team out. As well as Shillinford.

  • npc_cricketlover on November 19, 2013, 9:14 GMT

    i was wondering abt this right from the start of series(including the absence of Rampaul) and lara finally asks it post damages, when he was all the time praising abt the event(sachins 200th test) of the test series. Why didnt he ask the board before the start of series?

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on November 19, 2013, 8:57 GMT

    To add to what The Prince says, wrap your fast bowlers in wool - Fidel, Jerome, Roach and Tino. Take care of their fitness. Don't burn them. And then unleash them on the opposition. You'll see the difference. Decent results will ensue. Money will start flowing in more, resulting in better facilities and incentives for the players. That'll be a vicious self rewarding circle. And I guess, Gibson needs to go and The Prince should be their batting coach, Whispering Death their bowling coach and that loveable little Logie the fielding coach. Rather saddening to see my childhood love team go down so badly.

  • BRUTALANALYST on November 19, 2013, 8:38 GMT

    Cricinfo have left out Rampaul form the article, Lara also mentioned Rampaul should have been in the squad to give balance and some control to the attack.

  • swauzzie on November 19, 2013, 8:32 GMT

    I had assumed that Narine must be injured. The thought didn't even cross my mind that a fit Narine would be overlooked to play in perfect conditions for him! He musta looked at Ojha & Ashwins contributions & though: coulda, shoulda, WOULDA! It's a conplicated question that one about Sammy. I personally think that the selectors dropped him from the captaincy in the wrong format. I've always seen Sammy more a short format player. But who knows what the selectors were thinking realy? I'm bamboozled!

  • ramli on November 19, 2013, 8:20 GMT

    Not playing tests must cheer Bravo ... for he now has all the time to refresh for shorter verions including both national and commercial duties. Tests are now emerging as thankless jobs to young cricketers. Why not?

  • wirus on November 19, 2013, 8:12 GMT

    I am not against giving Dwayne Bravo another shot but in the past he showed little commitment to WI cricket and so became sidelined. His performances were also very average or less (though compared to Sammy he looks like Sobers). He should probably have been test and ODI captain and Sammy T20 captain but they got that badly wrong too. With so much spin competition in the WI at the moment Narine needed to make an impression in his first few tests. It's unfair on him perhaps but he didn't and others overtook him. Having said that, if there were anywhere that he should have been tried again it probably was India for two tests but that is past now. The really glaring omission was Rampaul who along with the injured Roach are our two most intelligent fast bowlers. Young Cummins seems to have a good head too but it may be too early for him. All the other quicks minus Best have a future but somebody needs to help them. These problems are not insurmountable. With common sense WE CAN FIX THIS!

  • Ncnotorious on November 19, 2013, 8:12 GMT

    Sunil Narine was ranked #1 ODI and #1 T20 bowler in the world at one point in time and he is barely 25yrs old, yet because of a bad series he is automatically excluded from the Test team. He has so much ability and potential but the west indies selectors' mentality of labeling players baffle me. Him and shillingford on this test tour would have proved a lethal combo since it seems like we dont have wicket taking fast bowlers.

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  • Ncnotorious on November 19, 2013, 8:12 GMT

    Sunil Narine was ranked #1 ODI and #1 T20 bowler in the world at one point in time and he is barely 25yrs old, yet because of a bad series he is automatically excluded from the Test team. He has so much ability and potential but the west indies selectors' mentality of labeling players baffle me. Him and shillingford on this test tour would have proved a lethal combo since it seems like we dont have wicket taking fast bowlers.

  • wirus on November 19, 2013, 8:12 GMT

    I am not against giving Dwayne Bravo another shot but in the past he showed little commitment to WI cricket and so became sidelined. His performances were also very average or less (though compared to Sammy he looks like Sobers). He should probably have been test and ODI captain and Sammy T20 captain but they got that badly wrong too. With so much spin competition in the WI at the moment Narine needed to make an impression in his first few tests. It's unfair on him perhaps but he didn't and others overtook him. Having said that, if there were anywhere that he should have been tried again it probably was India for two tests but that is past now. The really glaring omission was Rampaul who along with the injured Roach are our two most intelligent fast bowlers. Young Cummins seems to have a good head too but it may be too early for him. All the other quicks minus Best have a future but somebody needs to help them. These problems are not insurmountable. With common sense WE CAN FIX THIS!

  • ramli on November 19, 2013, 8:20 GMT

    Not playing tests must cheer Bravo ... for he now has all the time to refresh for shorter verions including both national and commercial duties. Tests are now emerging as thankless jobs to young cricketers. Why not?

  • swauzzie on November 19, 2013, 8:32 GMT

    I had assumed that Narine must be injured. The thought didn't even cross my mind that a fit Narine would be overlooked to play in perfect conditions for him! He musta looked at Ojha & Ashwins contributions & though: coulda, shoulda, WOULDA! It's a conplicated question that one about Sammy. I personally think that the selectors dropped him from the captaincy in the wrong format. I've always seen Sammy more a short format player. But who knows what the selectors were thinking realy? I'm bamboozled!

  • BRUTALANALYST on November 19, 2013, 8:38 GMT

    Cricinfo have left out Rampaul form the article, Lara also mentioned Rampaul should have been in the squad to give balance and some control to the attack.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on November 19, 2013, 8:57 GMT

    To add to what The Prince says, wrap your fast bowlers in wool - Fidel, Jerome, Roach and Tino. Take care of their fitness. Don't burn them. And then unleash them on the opposition. You'll see the difference. Decent results will ensue. Money will start flowing in more, resulting in better facilities and incentives for the players. That'll be a vicious self rewarding circle. And I guess, Gibson needs to go and The Prince should be their batting coach, Whispering Death their bowling coach and that loveable little Logie the fielding coach. Rather saddening to see my childhood love team go down so badly.

  • npc_cricketlover on November 19, 2013, 9:14 GMT

    i was wondering abt this right from the start of series(including the absence of Rampaul) and lara finally asks it post damages, when he was all the time praising abt the event(sachins 200th test) of the test series. Why didnt he ask the board before the start of series?

  • Buckers97 on November 19, 2013, 9:16 GMT

    Maybe in conditions like the ones in India, both Shillingford and Narine should be playing together. You have bounce and turn from Shillingford and mystery and change of pace from Narine. And I like Sammy but, I think Bravo should come in and be the test captain as well and ive the ODI captaincy back to Sammy. Depending on how Shillingford's bowling test goes, this would be my WI team for the NZ test series; 1.Gayle 2.Brathwaite 3.Darren Bravo 4.Chanderpaul 5.Samuels 6.Dw. Bravo (c) 7.Ramdin (wk,vc) 8.Sammy (doesn't bowl enough- it is because he is captain. Before he was captain he bowled really well and took a seven-fer.) 9.Roach 10.Shillingford 11.Gabriel/Best 12.Narine. With Sammy not as captain and as the 3rd seamer, Bravo will require him to bowl more often as the 3rd seamer. Bravo should still give himself 6 over spells and get a job done. The open bowls and two all-rounders the calibre of Bravo and Sammy should be able to bowl a team out. As well as Shillinford.

  • satishchandar on November 19, 2013, 9:20 GMT

    Dwayne Bravo these days is neither bowler nor batsman.. If you are going to state yourself as a class all rounder, you need to be strong in one department and okay in the other. Watson, Kallis, Shakib does this. If at all Bravo can replace, it would be Sammy if Bravo can send down 10-15 overs per day. Bat at 6 and allow extra bowler.

    Reg Narine, they unceremoniously dropped Shilly from test squad and Narine was proven unworthy. And, this was on his home ground.. Shilly came in deservedly and took mroe wickets. Second spinner could have been him but Permaul had a great A tour to India and deserved to be picked. I don't see any sorts of conspiracy going in there.

  • SwingandSeam on November 19, 2013, 10:04 GMT

    Unless the all rounder is outstanding, which applies to neither Bravo or Sammy, it is better to have a specialist batsmen at number seven. I also don't see why Best is still in the team when there are some very decent young fast bowlers sitting in the wings. What has happened to Carter, who has a very decent bowling average and has the height to trouble the batsmen with steep bounce. Delorn Johnson seems to have also dropped off the radar.