IPL 2011 January 8, 2011

The English question, and other answers

A day of record fees, surprises, hype and hubris threw up several puzzling deals and trends. Nagraj Gollapudi did some sniffing around to try and answer some of the key questions.
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Why was there such little interest in England players - including Graeme Swann, the world's best spinner, and James Anderson, one of the matchwinners for England in the Ashes?
One main reason is that the franchises felt some of the England players had overpriced base prices. The other reason was the question mark over the availability for longer periods - England's domestic season begins soon after the IPL, and the first round of home international matches would overlap with the IPL's title run-in. Swann has the pedigree, form and charisma (the last characteristic especially synchronous with the IPL brand) but there's one factor going against him: the trend for Indian franchises to not opt for an offspinner on the flat pitches across shortened grounds. "Unless he has a doosra or a carrom ball like R Ashwin has it is difficult to think of including an offspinner, especially because it is easy to hit an offie," one franchise official said. Of course, it helps to be Muttiah Muralitharan, who bowls economically and has shown in previous IPLs that he can keep batsmen on edge. "And franchises normally avoid foreign spinners on Indian tracks as they need to field seven Indians, so they'd be loath to waste a spot for a specialist spinner from abroad."

So why did Rajasthan Royals spend so much on Johan Botha?
The South African offspinner was picked up for $950,000 after a four-way fight that saw his value spiralling from his base price of $200,000. Rajasthan joined the bidding very very late but held on to get their man. "He is a fantastic offspinner, a superb fielder," said Raghu Iyer, Rajasthan's chief marketing officer. "He has been part of the team before, brings in the commitment. He is the current South Africa Twenty20 captain. People might feel it's a large price to pay for someone like him but I don't agree. We had our strategy and we probably paid no more than an extra $100,000 for him."

Chris Gayle went unsold, which was a shock for many. Why did franchises turn a blind eye to a mercurial, proven match-winner?
Easy one - it's due mainly to his unavailability this year. West Indies are busy during the next two IPL seasons. They'll be hosting Pakistan this year and play Australia at home and England away in 2012. And his base price of $400,000 worked against him - he would not be a bargain punt, as some others could be.

And what about Tamim Iqbal, the aggressive Bangladesh opener who seems made for Twenty20?
Two reasons. First, the numbers: though he has had a good Test season in 2010, his ODI and Twenty20 form last year was far from impressive. In 23 matches, he made 776 runs at 33.73 with one century while in two Twenty20s, he only managed 33 runs. He's also been battling a wrist injury, for which he's undergone surgery.

The other reason franchises did not bid for him was his international commitments: according to the ICC's Future Tours Programme, Bangladesh are busy during March and April so Tamim would have to miss a healthy part of the next IPL.

Why did an experienced spinner like Murali Kartik go unsold when far less experienced slow bowlers like Piyush Chawla fetched nearly a million?
It could be viewed as an anomaly in one way or just the trend of franchises to go for younger spinners. One franchise official said that with many young options on the domestic uncapped circuit, teams wouldn't have bothered to pick somebody like Kartik, who is 30-plus and not even an allrounder. To make space for a specialist spinner is really difficult, an official said.

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at Cricinfo

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  • Rushikey on January 10, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    Hi @ aahd81, You will get answer of this question from Kasab

  • Caveman. on January 10, 2011, 16:45 GMT

    @Ayub Suleman: IPL IS a domestic event, not a world event. It is part of the BCCI calendar and not the FTP calendar (hence the clash with schedule of few countries). Just like overseas players take part in county cricket, overseas players take part in IPL. And just as county cricket *IS* domestic cricket, so is IPL. Just because IPL happens to be the best marketed cricket tournament doesnt mean it is an international event. T20s played here dont count for T20 International records. It's beyond comprehension why this simple fact is so hard to understand for a few people.

  • vparisa on January 10, 2011, 14:29 GMT

    @TheBigFatFlapjack, Will you spend money on something that never gets shipped and delivered to you? i) Swann will be available for a limited season (may be couple of matches or so) ii) Andy Flower says its his call, if a player needs rest he will be pulled out of IPL. What did you expect franchises to do? They made the mistake of shelling 1.55 million dollars for Flintoff and we all know what happened.

    Reg Pakistan players, Indian/Pak government can pull the plug anytime they want. All the relations between the two countries effect Cricket. If Pak or Indian government change their mind and do not want Pak's players to participate in IPL in May 2011, Franchises will lose their investment. IPL teams are built around Indian/Srilankan/South African and Domestic Australian players. I wish Pakistan was around. They look at FTP as well and Chris Gayle is not available for the next two seasons and hence he is not picked.

  • on January 10, 2011, 13:36 GMT

    If Tamim is not selected for his international commitments, why the same reason was not applicable in case of Shakib?

  • on January 10, 2011, 13:19 GMT

    IPL is becoming a joke. Why only some countries players taking part. ICC should not reckonise it. Let it bre a domestic affair not a world event. Let's be serious for once. Some people are makingf big money out of it and then we talk of spot-fixing, corruption. This under ICC's nose but still nothing done. See what happened to Modi. Now he want to be auctioned as a player. What a laugh!!!!!!!

  • Poliwag060 on January 10, 2011, 10:25 GMT

    Well said the King of Spain! Hear hear!

  • pissuprabath on January 10, 2011, 10:02 GMT

    hey,,,,,,

    why is this editor calling swann the BEST spinner???

    he is just a good spinner,,

    way beyond murali, harbajan and even sakib.....

  • --.-- on January 10, 2011, 9:47 GMT

    Thanks Nagraj Gollapudi for clearing all the confusions. :-)

  • aahd81 on January 10, 2011, 9:42 GMT

    I have a question someone should really do research on and answer as the complete truth...why are there no Pakistani cricketers in the IPL? There is Afridi, Gul, Ajmal and Razzaq who would be great in any team but they aren't playing. Why?

  • Abhiramb on January 10, 2011, 7:56 GMT

    What about Ambati Rayadu? Does anyone know what happened? Strange that even Mumbai has not picked him

  • Rushikey on January 10, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    Hi @ aahd81, You will get answer of this question from Kasab

  • Caveman. on January 10, 2011, 16:45 GMT

    @Ayub Suleman: IPL IS a domestic event, not a world event. It is part of the BCCI calendar and not the FTP calendar (hence the clash with schedule of few countries). Just like overseas players take part in county cricket, overseas players take part in IPL. And just as county cricket *IS* domestic cricket, so is IPL. Just because IPL happens to be the best marketed cricket tournament doesnt mean it is an international event. T20s played here dont count for T20 International records. It's beyond comprehension why this simple fact is so hard to understand for a few people.

  • vparisa on January 10, 2011, 14:29 GMT

    @TheBigFatFlapjack, Will you spend money on something that never gets shipped and delivered to you? i) Swann will be available for a limited season (may be couple of matches or so) ii) Andy Flower says its his call, if a player needs rest he will be pulled out of IPL. What did you expect franchises to do? They made the mistake of shelling 1.55 million dollars for Flintoff and we all know what happened.

    Reg Pakistan players, Indian/Pak government can pull the plug anytime they want. All the relations between the two countries effect Cricket. If Pak or Indian government change their mind and do not want Pak's players to participate in IPL in May 2011, Franchises will lose their investment. IPL teams are built around Indian/Srilankan/South African and Domestic Australian players. I wish Pakistan was around. They look at FTP as well and Chris Gayle is not available for the next two seasons and hence he is not picked.

  • on January 10, 2011, 13:36 GMT

    If Tamim is not selected for his international commitments, why the same reason was not applicable in case of Shakib?

  • on January 10, 2011, 13:19 GMT

    IPL is becoming a joke. Why only some countries players taking part. ICC should not reckonise it. Let it bre a domestic affair not a world event. Let's be serious for once. Some people are makingf big money out of it and then we talk of spot-fixing, corruption. This under ICC's nose but still nothing done. See what happened to Modi. Now he want to be auctioned as a player. What a laugh!!!!!!!

  • Poliwag060 on January 10, 2011, 10:25 GMT

    Well said the King of Spain! Hear hear!

  • pissuprabath on January 10, 2011, 10:02 GMT

    hey,,,,,,

    why is this editor calling swann the BEST spinner???

    he is just a good spinner,,

    way beyond murali, harbajan and even sakib.....

  • --.-- on January 10, 2011, 9:47 GMT

    Thanks Nagraj Gollapudi for clearing all the confusions. :-)

  • aahd81 on January 10, 2011, 9:42 GMT

    I have a question someone should really do research on and answer as the complete truth...why are there no Pakistani cricketers in the IPL? There is Afridi, Gul, Ajmal and Razzaq who would be great in any team but they aren't playing. Why?

  • Abhiramb on January 10, 2011, 7:56 GMT

    What about Ambati Rayadu? Does anyone know what happened? Strange that even Mumbai has not picked him

  • on January 10, 2011, 7:41 GMT

    Lot of invalid reasons!! Than why did they pay 1.8 million for Irafan Pathan? 2.1 million for Uthappa?? Both of theam not even in the Indian world cup 30!! This acution is really stupid with bollywood and unknown cricket characters!!

  • Point4 on January 10, 2011, 6:11 GMT

    The English players not being sold/being shown less interest by the franchisees is good for ENglish cricket (but not for the players financially,to be honest).IPL is the hub of injuries,arranged matches(strongly suspect),,unwanted parties AFTER EACH match wher by you would exhaust urself by playing cricket and winding out!!! and above all nonsense cricket(not unorthodox but absolute nonsense this T20 thing).Zaheer ,Bollinger etc are wvictims and they have cost their teams victoris already..Eng players play only serious committed international cricket and not this crap and no wonder they look very focused and business like except for the likes of of KP who again is a prt of this!!!

  • LoftedShot on January 10, 2011, 5:54 GMT

    Why Dinesh Mongia is not being rehabilitated? Is his sin bigger than Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Asif, Ian Botham, Shane Warne, Ajay Jadeja etc. who were given another chance /s inspite of doing various unethical things like using banned substances, fixing etc.? Poor guy would surely be a better bet then many today in IPL with his economical bowling and useful batting. Seems to be condemned for life sadly.

  • on January 10, 2011, 5:47 GMT

    Well, lots of iconic players around the world demoralized by the bidding in this IPL this time around. e.g; Gayle, Lara, Ganguly, Swan, Tamim, Anderson etc...

    This will lead to their own performances in coming worldcup as well.

  • tikna on January 10, 2011, 5:39 GMT

    Murali Karthik not being picked for the Indian team since so long is a real shocker to me, let alone the IPL teams. For me Powar Karthik and Bhajji are the best spinners of whom I have seen. Sure Ashwin is an exciting talent and an even better fighter but Murali Karthik is a hands down better spinner. I agree with some1 saying that he seems to have rubbed some higher ups in BCCI in the wrong way.

  • Umar_J on January 10, 2011, 5:12 GMT

    What is the base price means? And how does it calculated? And Who are deciding the base price?

  • ishak1225 on January 10, 2011, 4:43 GMT

    i don't agree that swan is the world best spinner he is a good bowler and he cant do much in Indian conditions in T20 format..also its not serious issue because the IPL is not a international event or its not worth to any first class or school cricket its only a Indian money earning machine to BCCI...IPL is like a WWF Wrestling Mania type television entertaining show to Indian based fans and good field for bookie makers and illegal money laundering.

  • on January 10, 2011, 3:49 GMT

    Graeme Swann and the world's best spinner???? Lol!!!!Murali is still the best.

  • on January 10, 2011, 1:57 GMT

    You know there is something seriously wrong with a league when articles upon articles have to be written to try to explain the logic (or lack of it) behind the players' picks by teams. Mind you, this is NOT a story of a botched up national selection for a country's squad: We are talking about a collection of cricket clubs.

    Imagine if Barcelona had snubbed Messi? Or if Real Madrid had given Kaka the cold shoulder? This is essentially what the IPL has done when they have snubbed so many top players like Lara and Gayle. Including - and this is NOT the first time - the cold shoulder given to T20 world champions. The bowler who is an integral part of the T20 world champs can not simply be ignored just because you have "shortened grounds"...

    The fact is that the IPL has failed to produce a single team that could win a champions league silverware. Moreover, the Indian national team has failed to qualify for the business end of the T20 world cup following an IPL extravaganza.

    'Nuf said

  • vparisa on January 10, 2011, 1:54 GMT

    Why did Indians fetch more money? The team must comprise of 7 Indian players and 4 foreign players. Its Demand - Supply. There are too many Foreign players, But very few Indian players. Its obvious that every team wants the best Indian players in their team. Gambhir/Rohit/Robin/Yusuf/Yuvraj etc are the best Indian T20 batsmen. Do they deserve the price.. may be not but can they win the matches for their team.. yes.South Africans and Sri Lankans will fetch more price than other international teams because they have their calendars free for IPL. Reg Swann, unavailability and come on IPL is in India where every non Indian spinner struggles..Warne and Murali included.

  • on January 10, 2011, 1:19 GMT

    @gatorboy: Bangladesh are playing australia in the ODI series this April i think

  • NP_NY on January 10, 2011, 0:04 GMT

    Since Nagraj has got his facts wrong about Gayle, is any one going to clarify why Gayle was not picked by any of the franchises. CSK, let's get him, he's a true match winner!

  • on January 9, 2011, 19:42 GMT

    In response to ashutosh163, I get your point. However it should be known that Pollard was not offered a WICB retainer contract. Gayle and Bravo were offered contracts.

  • anilkp on January 9, 2011, 19:05 GMT

    Friends, why are you debating over this issue? A franchise has money and it is its own will to spend any way it wants. Who you are to say right or wrong or to explain whay a franchise bought someone or not? You got to understand that this is different from a team selection for nationa/regional team. In one way, thefranchise's money is yours. But if you disagree, just stay off. I stay off the IPL stinks, am just hear to spread my sermon. Grow up please!

  • titansnights on January 9, 2011, 17:23 GMT

    most stupidest league is Rajasthan Royals..They could have retained Pathan for 900k and Botha for 500k, but they have gone for Botha at 900k and missed the t20 specialist Pathan..and now they got only 0.8 million and only 9 players in the team...Such a think tank

  • CricketPissek on January 9, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    @Sumedha Sanjeewa - well machang, he's bloody good. there aren't any great spinners playing these days, so it's pretty fair to say he's the most consistent and arguably the best. Suraj Randiv is pretty good, but apparently not good enough to get into the SL WC squad! Harbajan & co. are a joke. Australia's spin is only in their washing machine. Hard to think of a better one playing these days. (Murali is ODIs only and is semi retired even in those!)

  • on January 9, 2011, 17:10 GMT

    So if gayle is busy during the next 2 ipl, then it means even pollard will be unavailable so it seems mumbai's retaining him may turn out to be a mistake

  • onion834 on January 9, 2011, 17:04 GMT

    @Rabiul Alam I think he is referring to NEXT IPL. That is 2012. Bangladesh are playing Pakistan in Apr-May 2012.

  • giri-varma on January 9, 2011, 16:43 GMT

    Please explain the bid for uthappa and jadeja

  • kingofspain on January 9, 2011, 16:27 GMT

    20/20 is the dullest thing imaginable. Within 5 years, this nonsense league will be belly-up. Test cricket is real cricket.

  • kalyanbk on January 9, 2011, 15:52 GMT

    Graeme Swann and for that matter most England players have not done well in India. Look at Statsguru for proof. England has fared even worse in limited overs cricket in India in the last 5 years. Most of them are also likely to miss IPL due to international commitments. Therefore it doesn't make business sense.

  • on January 9, 2011, 15:24 GMT

    hey Swan is not the best spinner yet, because Legend Murali is still playing ODI's till the World Cup...till the Great Murali retires no spinner can be called like that.he's the best ever

  • Coastaltown on January 9, 2011, 14:11 GMT

    "no one wanted english players cos they are overrated and would get dominated"

    like in the T20 world cup, where we got dominated by everyone we beat to win it. Jonesy2, I know you're not overly happy at the minute, your boys just got their backsides handed to them on a plate several times, you're hurting, you wish to lash out, I understand that. But this is just silly.

  • uknsaunders on January 9, 2011, 14:08 GMT

    Couple comments I noticed:-

    1. Swann can't bowl in India - played 2 test matches at the start of his career and took 8 wickets albeit @ 39.5 - but that's not bad compared to some who have start their career in India. 2. Anderson can't bowl in India - only 3 tests but 10 wickets @29 isn't bad.People said the same thing about Anderson in Australia and didn't turn out to bad, did it. Just face it that Anderson is right up their with the best just behind Steyn. I've seen the likes of Kumar swing it around in previous IPL's and I've no doubt Anderson would do a fair bit of damage. However, resting your fast bowlers while the rest of the world flogs their's has a real upside for England - even if the short sighted IPL Franchises have gifted Flower a new years present!.

  • Gizza on January 9, 2011, 14:03 GMT

    Paramjit Das you are clearly right. I whoreheartedly agree. Swann is heads and shoulders above Harbhajan. And I say that as a passionate Indian fan! And no doesn't matter even if Harbhajan takes 1000 wickets, he is still worse. He has so many wickets (but per match and per run ie. average, is so poor) because India always selects him and he's so played so many matches. I prefer a bowler who takes 5 wickets and does not give runs but only plays for few years so only has 200 wickets instead of the bowlers who has played 10 years of cricket and only get one or two wickets for 40 runs each. Same can be said in batting with Tendulkar.

  • on January 9, 2011, 13:08 GMT

    Is Swann realy the best spinner in theworld!!!? Only England can believe so. taking wickets of players who do not play spin doesnt make him the best spin bowler.He needs to grow and prove to be the bestspinner. Daniel Vettori is far superior and of course thereare pleanty of Indian and Srilankans as well.At present he is an average spinner. Even club batsmen in India and Srilanka will hit him out of the park.

  • on January 9, 2011, 12:59 GMT

    Boy, I guess Gayle feels like a real heel dumping on the West Indies now. Should have signed that contract. And if Bravo and Pollard don't deliver this year, they will be out to sea too. It's like it is said "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". Better to get a little with the West Indies than nothing at all.

  • sachin_vvsfan on January 9, 2011, 12:55 GMT

    @Will Bird and other English mates. You guys are conveniently forgetting the fact that the auction is influenced by the coaches (aren't they Aussies). I am not saying they deliberately ignored English but certainly they preferred Aussies(esp the uncapped and cheap players) . Warne was supposed to be monitoring his franchise bids from Melbourne and no wonder they got colllingwood. You know what warne said about colly in the last ashes. Don't you ? And don't forget the other Aus coaches who actually knew about their Aus players have played their part in the bidding process.

  • mittheimp on January 9, 2011, 11:53 GMT

    The IPL is a just a poor hit and giggle competition made up of international cricketing mercenaries with no connection to their club, and the rest made up of poor standard Indian club cricketers. Why is cricinfo paying so much attention to this nonsense?

  • on January 9, 2011, 11:33 GMT

    Why Pak players are not included in the IPL? World Leagues should be organized by some decent, fair organizers, those who should not include country relations in sports ... its a complete unfair league, where world no 2 is not participating ..

  • on January 9, 2011, 11:21 GMT

    The reason that Swann was not picked up was his uncertainty to play the whole of the tournament as being contracted with ECB there is every chance that ECB won't allow its players not allowing to play at the IPL giving issue of burnout as they don't want to bow to BCCI... the reason KP was picked was apart from his skills he is rebellious , he would have pursed ECB for the IPL bonanza...thats a guarantee :) Botha will be future captain of Royals that's why he is there ...also there are many Indian spinners who can do the job in T20 so why waste one foreigner place and also big players come with big egos so better avoid them .. so no to Lara, Ganguly , Swann , Anderson,etc. In the prof. cricket world no place for high headed players but for only performers...

  • Partyman on January 9, 2011, 11:14 GMT

    Not sure which world this writer lives in. Charisma and IPL - IPL is synonymous with Crass and Crudeness not Charisma. Everyone needs to wake up and smell the coffee. As an England supporter I am glad the likes of Swann and Anderson are not going to be part of this circus. Morgan needs to be careful. He is pressing for a test place this summer and I were him I would playing county cricket to make my case and not travel around with this circus. Also disappointed with the outcome for Broad. I hope these boys see some sense and give IPL the cold shoulder when it comes to signing the dotted line. IPL - they proved what an utter incompetent and malfunctioning organisation a few months ago. If I was a player I wouldn't want to do anything with them.

  • SDHM on January 9, 2011, 10:56 GMT

    @Paramjit Das - I think you're right, Swann's probably not exactly desperate for the extra cash! Still a bit confusing though. People who say he isn't a match winner in India are being premature - he's only bowled there on one tour, right at the start of his international career, so I'd wait to see how he performs in the World Cup before judging his ability. More importantly, he's a more than useful all rounder and his thumps down the order could prove useful. Not surprised about Prior to be honest - his record at domestic level is hugely impressive, but he's never translated it on to the international stage and therefore could be viewed as an unsafe bet.

  • on January 9, 2011, 10:46 GMT

    There is too much brooding from Bangladesh Fans for Tamim Iqbal being unsold..Afterall Chris gayle, lara, ganguly, Boucher went unsold becoz the franchises just were not interested...hw come they will go for Tamim..Yes he can score 4,6 etcetc but no franchise will be bothered as long as they have balance in their team..Even Shakib i dont think KKR will be playing him every match as they got better foriegn players( Yaya..he is no.1 allrounder with 90% match against Zimbabwe :-)).If they are top talent like steyn,kallis, pollard etc Franchises will be fighting for them as we saw.Still u wnat to see Tamim, Razzak start Bangladesh Players league and pay them even 100 Million $, nobody cares..this is IPL and the franchises know whom to pick...

  • tough_cool on January 9, 2011, 10:23 GMT

    My attempt to put the ghosts to rest. Look at the bidders in the auction, does it make you feel they know a lot about cricket, the fact is these people know more about cricketers than cricket itself, and looks pretty much like the bids are driven from the top management that from the seasoned players in the side and the coaches. That is why we see flamboyance and style take precedence compared to elegance and talent. and moreover dont think the frnachises are thinking too much about winning matches, they are not, it is not when matches are being won when they get better viewership, it is when they put the stage drama artists together, that is when they are going to get more viewership, nothing else could explain Harbhajan and symonds being together, now people would be more interested in seeing how these two guys gel well and you are assured of viewership rides when mumbai are playing. At the end of it it is not about cricket, it about drama in the name of cricket.

  • on January 9, 2011, 10:08 GMT

    @Rabiul Alam- u first try to understand what has been mentioned in the article.. "Bangladesh are busy during March and April so Tamim would have to miss a healthy part of the next IPL. '" it says NEXT IPL season clearly. I dont think there is a world cup next march. lol

  • Vilander on January 9, 2011, 7:40 GMT

    I think Swann decision is a mistake, he is a good player. If one can take Botha ( agreed is a captain material) they can take Swann, and Murali Karthik is a shocker, he sure has rubbed someone wrongly higher up, poor guy he has been punished throughout his career.

  • on January 9, 2011, 6:40 GMT

    @Mr Nagraj: "Bangladesh are busy during March and April so Tamim would have to miss a healthy part of the next IPL" !!!! Every single team in the world would be busy during March!! Its the World Cup!! ..and the IPL does not start till April !! Get the facts right.

  • Kashi0127 on January 9, 2011, 6:27 GMT

    @Abhishek Banerjee. Agree with you IPL is boards making money at the cost of sport and people. I never thought IPL is true cricket tournment but staged thamasha or a Rality Show like so many others. Do you think the organizers want many one sided matches - NO! Owners do not want their own teams to win easy because that does not bring in money and interest.

  • righthandbat on January 9, 2011, 6:05 GMT

    I cannot see the appeal in 20/20. Good cricket shots that go for boundaries/sixes are exciting in tests (and to a lesser extent, ODIs) because they require more skill to play and occur far less often. I believe that 20/20, far from killing off test cricket, has endured the public to it even more so. Everyone wants to see more of it, with more games between countries to try and ensure that we see far more of the likes of the SA/India series.

  • on January 9, 2011, 5:56 GMT

    @Will Bird: Totally agree mate. Although, I would like to differ on Matt Prior being the best T20 keeper in the world. And Anderson and Steyn are not the best T20 bowlers surely? Although they are the best Test bowlers. Also, Swann and Murali are the two best T20 spinners along with Ashwin probably. Its ridiculous that there were no takers for Swann. Having said that, the ECB probably pays them well enough!!

  • on January 9, 2011, 5:53 GMT

    @chokkashokka: mate, graeme swann is the best off spinner in the world. He has wonderful flight and drift and he has a superb arm ball which he unleashes in ODI's and T20's . He has also got a very good slider. This is the same as having a doosra and a carrom ball respectively. Worth much more than Botha, Ashwin adn Bhajji. Cant believe the "Walking ego" fecthed $650, 000, whereas the best spinner in the world can't get a bid!!!!...shame on IPL!!!!

  • on January 9, 2011, 5:37 GMT

    How the hell that Swan is the best Spinner in the world....???? I am amazed....!!!

  • on January 9, 2011, 5:30 GMT

    It is just obvious.. Swann is not a match winner in India against the sub-continent players.. Even a local league batsman can tonk him all over the park.. He might have performed incredibly in the Ashes, but he is not a match winner in these conditions or at least the Indians think so...

  • Dino11 on January 9, 2011, 5:07 GMT

    Pls let us not justify the madness of owners by saying they purchased each players wih sound logic. If they dont want to purchase foreign spinners, why botha got so much price? & why left indian spinner murli kartik? If english non-availability is the issue, why bought KP, collingwood? How come gambhir(Mere opening batsman, injury prone) is more valued than yuvraj or 10dulkar? What is logic of paying millions to Jadeja, who is limited in talent, also not a well known brand in india? Does all million+ players can justify their value?, no. The fact is that owner did many error in judgement and paid wrong value to many players. Same money could have been used for many better players. Gambhir getting such value could be becoz he was lucky to be 1st on bid and all owners were fresh to start. Otherwise no other reason. Thr are players like rizwan cheema, Davidson from lesser known countries but have great value for T20, but they are not in list.Owners needs to have guidance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ashutosh163 on January 9, 2011, 4:17 GMT

    Well, Aqeel..Gayle and Pollard not signing WICB contracts does not mean they get to play any T20 tournament they like when West Indies have an international series going on. They have to get a No Objection Certificate from their board. And it is highly unlikely that the board will tell them, "Good, you want to skip your international commitment and play IPL? We are very happy about you ditching your country and making big bucks. Here is you NOC. Have a happy IPL while we get bashed around by other countries!!"

  • Raaakz on January 9, 2011, 4:10 GMT

    If Tamim Iqbal of Bangladesh is going to miss a chunk of the IPL due to intl commitments and if that's the reason for him being unsold, then how come Shakib al Hasan, the Bangladeshi captain was purchased by Kolkatta?

  • cnksnk on January 9, 2011, 3:46 GMT

    I am sure Chennai is interested in Swann. However since their first preference was Murali they passed him by. I think they will take Swann today through a re bid.

  • drjaygoyal on January 9, 2011, 3:45 GMT

    @ Abhishek Banerjee

    if we close down the IPL we will never have the fun of seeing bhajji and symonds in the same dressing room blowing kisses at each other rather than blows...

    heheh...it's nice fun and games ya...IPL rocks...and INDIANS rock....

    i like no foreign player got even close to the price indians commanded..

  • Gizza on January 9, 2011, 3:12 GMT

    I agree with some of the commentors that five foreign players is the way to go. There would still be 6 Indians (more than half, so the Indian in IPL is justified). And the quality, brand value, not to mention greater balance in salaries between the Indians and internationals all improve.

  • on January 9, 2011, 3:05 GMT

    Where is the IPL being played this year ?

  • tareks_bangladesh on January 9, 2011, 2:53 GMT

    "The other reason franchises did not bid for him was his international commitments: according to the ICC's Future Tours Programme, Bangladesh are busy during March and April so Tamim would have to miss a healthy part of the next IPL."........this is a hilarious argument...then why KKR picked Shakib? don't both of them play for the same team?

    With wrist injury/surgery......he will play world cup.....and make no mistake On 19th February, 2011 the answer for not picking up Tamim Iqbal Khan by the IPL Franchises will be brutish, down the ground, over the mid-wicket and into the grand stand

  • jonesy2 on January 9, 2011, 2:11 GMT

    swann has charisma? are you joking? plus no one wanted english players cos they are overrated and would get dominated

  • on January 9, 2011, 1:54 GMT

    I guarantee IPL will die in the next 5 years......there is no meat to this chaos.....these franchises wont make any money.....

  • landl47 on January 9, 2011, 1:41 GMT

    I have to admit that I'm bewildered as to why anyone would be interested in the IPL. A club game on a Suturday afternoon would be more interesting to me than watching a group of hired hands hacking away for an hour and a half. However, even within that constraint, I have no idea why very modest players are bought for millions while good players aren't signed. It seems to make the IPL even less relevant to world cricket.

  • on January 9, 2011, 1:40 GMT

    Cant believe the Swann ommission, he can also bat and is a decent fielder, he would be playing the same amount of games as pieterson or broad.

    As for Anderson- its understandable why he didnt get picked. He needs to improve his batting, and his bowling may not work as well in Indian conditions, although his fielding is top.

    Tamin - He surely would pull in crowds for all teams, for example if Sehwag had a good season in test cricket but had a shocking season in T20 or ODI would he still be picked in IPL? Answer is yes. (Pieterson has only had one big score in all competitions in 2010, he is still picked)

  • Cpt.Meanster on January 9, 2011, 1:28 GMT

    As an Indian fan I am also a huge supporter of Graeme Swann. I am absolutely disgusted with the way these Indian franchises have bid for certain 'undesirable' players for season 4. With all due respect to Johan Botha, I don't think he's even worth 200K let alone 900K. Swann is a much better bowler and batsman than Botha. I don't think availability of English players is a valid reason because Collingwood, Broad, and KP have been snapped up. The only reason I can think of is that the owners are reluctant to fill in an overseas slot in the starting XI with a foreign spinner. This can only be the reason and I can't see any other. Same with Matt Prior because there are already some well experienced glove men in the league. Look what happened to Mark Boucher too. Then again some bids are meaningless and staggering. Piyush Chawla at almost a million ??!! please don't even get me started. The ICC has to have a windown for IPL. Lack of English and Pakistan players makes IPL look dull.

  • TheBigFatFlapjack on January 9, 2011, 1:12 GMT

    Will Bird, I agree with ya. A lot of it must have something to do with the attitude the ECB had towards the BBCI and IPL earlier. However, this is hardly a valid reason to overlook the T20 WC squad. I must say I'm dumbfounded why Swann wasnt considered - he'd definitely have been a crowd favourite in those parts of the world. Or Luke Wright. Will Bird then, just Won't Wright.

  • vivek_tyagi on January 9, 2011, 1:08 GMT

    @cabinet96: Swann could have been a better choice than Botha, but his availability is an issue. This time bidding trend seemed to be influenced by ICC's futures tours program. Besides, some other Cricket Boards have been more accommodating than ECB. Last Champions League is an example. This coupled with the other reason of him being an off-spinner might have stopped the bidders. At first this bidding appeared chaos to me..and I was like wth is wrong with these people, but when I think of it...lot of it makes sense. These owners didn't earn theirs millions by fluke and they will give it much better thought and planning before spending.

  • TheBigFatFlapjack on January 9, 2011, 1:04 GMT

    and the BCCI wants the IPL to be the best T20 tournament in the world? Not when you leave most players from England, the current T20 world champions, and everyone from Pakistan, arguably the team with the most exciting players.

  • uknsaunders on January 9, 2011, 1:01 GMT

    "Unless he has a doosra or a carrom ball like R Ashwin has it is difficult to think of including an offspinner, especially because it is easy to hit an offie," one franchise official said.

    So that arm ball that Collingwood missed twice on the last day at Melbourne (or got clarke out the day before, ponting at Adelaide etc) isn't a decent alternative. If it's so easy to hit an off spinner for that reason, explain this:-

    Harbhajan Singh (India) 5 20.0 1 123 0 - - 6.15 - 0 0 GP Swann (Eng) 7 22.0 0 144 10 3/24 14.40 6.54 13.2 0 0

    That's the T20 WC btw - where the world's best actually turn up and play. Botha did pretty well economy 5.66 and 4 wickets - in the 3 games he played...

  • KTiwari on January 9, 2011, 0:27 GMT

    To the folks who are quoting ICC rankings, if this was the criteria to decide the price then there was no need for auction. On some player getting more than others...that is daily phenomena...don't have similar issue in our offices and other sports be EPL,NBA or NFL....Who can truly decide that Yuvraj is wroth more or less than Kallis for T20. No ranking or debate can decide this.

    Besides, it is IPL and it is Indian domestic competition so there will be advantage for Indian cricketers. Same has been happening for ages in county cricket when this was the only opportunity for most players to earm some extra money. There was and there is on number of foreigners who can play for team.

  • on January 9, 2011, 0:21 GMT

    Funny how this Q&A did not even try to answer some of the MOST baffling auction decisions....like Irfan Pathan for $1.9M and Ravindra Jadejs for $950M........What a joke this auction is...and its funny to read one of the franchisee official saying that they have a "STRATEGY" LMFAO!!! There was a lot of things in this auction, money, shocks, glitches (when Punjab bid on a player JUST before the final BANG and RCB protested against it), and a lot of other things but If there is ANYTHING missing from this auction, then it was "strategy"......

  • AllroundCricketFan on January 9, 2011, 0:18 GMT

    Can someone answer this question please??? Where is Hashim Amla? Is he chosing not to play because of the alcohol sponsorship at the IPL? I am aware a few of the teams are sponsored by ALcohol brands! Maybe thats his reasoning.The number 1 batsman in the world in ODI's not featuring, dont you think its something more than meets the eye? Every South African Proteas and non-Proteas players are in the Auction list but no AMLA? Can someone on cricinfo or IPL please clarify this???

  • AndyVine on January 8, 2011, 23:48 GMT

    i dont understand why so many are criticizing IPL here. if at all its so much non-sense then why read an article abt it & even more send in their comments. it is enough for them to restrain from doing it. and abt swann vs botha issue, i think if i am spending that much serious money, i would always make sure that they guy on whom i am spending is someone who is there when i need the most & not on someone who is surely not gonna be there for semis or finals.

  • Arun_Viswanath on January 8, 2011, 23:34 GMT

    I think the choices made by some franchises are very poor.2m+ for gambhir,uthappa and rohit.Quite a baffling way to spend the money.Yusuf is the one in the top 4 bids really deserves it.He can bowl and he can BAT! Rohit and uthappa are not even playing well in the domestic circuit now.Why pay so much for them?I think kochi made the most intelligent bids so far.Steyn and Murali went for what they are worth(or less). I would say CSK were doing the right thing going for their winning team.I totally don't understand why DD didn't retain Dilshan and AB.I think Tendoeschaste will be the most sought after player on the second day;that is if the teams realise his true potential.

  • AndyVine on January 8, 2011, 23:31 GMT

    When someone is so much not interested in Ipl, so be it. Why take all the effort to go through an article and above all comment on it. The logic of picking kp but not interested swann was bizare as they both would've played for eng. But how can you compare botha to swann? One guy is going to be there with you for all the matches and the other is not available for all important end matches. How hard is it understand that when you spend millions, better spend on those who are available for the imp matches.

  • on January 8, 2011, 23:23 GMT

    The IPL makes absolutely no sense whatsoever except to the rich Indian businessmen who profit from it. Some of these purchases defy logic. How can you not purchase players such as Swann or Chris Gayle, but pay tons of money for Irfan Pathan, and Botha? Do these people really understand what it takes to win cricket matches? INDIA WILL DESTROY THIS BEAUTIFUL GAME WITH THIS IPL NONSENSE AND THEIR REFUSAL TO USE THE UDRS....

  • on January 8, 2011, 23:15 GMT

    @Bird- It's not a binary operation mate- KP's picked and Swann isn't. If KP had been available the entire season, he would have been picked at thrice the amount, he was picked for today. The price bidding came down drastically as you don't want to lose out too much on your budget cap for a guy who isn't going to be there most of the season.. So for Swann, who is 'valued' much lower than KP, 400 grand is just too big a bid. The base prices weren't too well thought out IMAO. Even Lara would've been snapped up if he'd been less than or around a 100.

  • on January 8, 2011, 22:21 GMT

    Q&A on their own may seem just ok.. but combine 1&2, and there can be no logical answer!! Swann is an even better & proven hitter than Botha; he is gud fielder & great catcher; and his record in T20 is exemplary. At half of Botha's price, even if he played 70% of tourney, he's worth every penny. Answer to all questions is simple, its futile to look for any logic in the auction as there isnt any!!

  • on January 8, 2011, 22:19 GMT

    NEWS FLASH: GAYLE DID NOT SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH WICB AND IS NOT OBLIGATED TO PLAY OVER THE NEXT 2 YEARS OR UNTIL WHENEVER

    HE IS AVAILABLE EVERY SINGLE GAME EVERY SINGLE SEASON UNTIL HE SIGNS HIS CONTRACT!

    Him and Pollard both didn't sign it because clearly they want to be able to play the IPL!!!!

    WAKE UP IPL FRANCHISEES!

  • on January 8, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    I am an Indian fan and I have been trying very hard to get interested in the IPL. But, honestly I dont even understand the point in playing IPL: regional teams with a random bunch of players going bang ...bang ... bang is so boring. We should close down IPL and have a 7 test match series with South Africa.

  • on January 8, 2011, 22:12 GMT

    Well Mr. Ben,

    its also hard for Pakistanis to get interested in all this razmatazz as well.

  • chokkashokka on January 8, 2011, 21:49 GMT

    The English - so last century "mate"

  • on January 8, 2011, 21:47 GMT

    For me its quiet interesting to know the business strategy of bidding for player. Though I feel KKR spend much money on Gambhir, they could even expect to do so. Another thing is that vogues player like Rohit, Piyush should not get this amount of money. If Botha can get a near about a million dollar then Swann should get around 2 million as per my cricketing knowledge concerned. Its really a mixture of feelings after seeing first day of IPL 4 auction.

  • on January 8, 2011, 21:43 GMT

    The note about Swann is, to quote the late, great Douglas Adams, a load of dingo's kidneys. KP etc got picked so it's not about availability is it? There is clearly residual antipathy towards the ECB for their high-handed and patronising attitude towards the early seasons of the IPL. However you'd think SOMEBODY in India would have paid attention to the Ashes and seen how woefully out of condition Bollinger is, that Ryan Harris now has a dodgy ankle to go with his other injuries and that Steve Smith can't bowl...or bat. And that Swann and Anderson (are along with Dale Steyn) the best bowlers in the world and Matt Prior arguably the best keeper. Not to mention Luke Wright. Who won the World Cup. And then Botha gets bought for 900k. Madness.

  • on January 8, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    It's hard to get interested in the competition where the games are so formulaic. It's like playing Monopoly - very rare that a side comes back into it after getting behing. Exciting when it does, but you normally know who is going to win an IPL match after the first 5 overs of the first innings. Any variety of the sport where 6's are mundane and largely go ignored (excepty by the dancing girls) is not going to have much of a future. T20 in the UK is on a massive decline - tests and ODI's are firm favourites. And that's with England being T20 champs. We've played it here several years longer than most - and it does get dull pretty quick

  • on January 8, 2011, 20:43 GMT

    The IPL and ICC should create a window in the calender just for the IPL. As an Englishman it's hard to get interested in the competition when so few English players are involved. They should also increase the number of overseas players in the starting IX to five, doing that would improve the quality of competition and make it more appealing to non Indians.

  • cabinet96 on January 8, 2011, 20:14 GMT

    The reason with Botha is simple. The Royals obviously wanted to get Botha back again but if they retained him they would have had to pay 900,000, they obviously thought they could get him cheaper but they couldn't and kept on bidding. But if your view on Swann is right then why were there 4 franchises interested in Botha but know one wanted Swann.

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  • cabinet96 on January 8, 2011, 20:14 GMT

    The reason with Botha is simple. The Royals obviously wanted to get Botha back again but if they retained him they would have had to pay 900,000, they obviously thought they could get him cheaper but they couldn't and kept on bidding. But if your view on Swann is right then why were there 4 franchises interested in Botha but know one wanted Swann.

  • on January 8, 2011, 20:43 GMT

    The IPL and ICC should create a window in the calender just for the IPL. As an Englishman it's hard to get interested in the competition when so few English players are involved. They should also increase the number of overseas players in the starting IX to five, doing that would improve the quality of competition and make it more appealing to non Indians.

  • on January 8, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    It's hard to get interested in the competition where the games are so formulaic. It's like playing Monopoly - very rare that a side comes back into it after getting behing. Exciting when it does, but you normally know who is going to win an IPL match after the first 5 overs of the first innings. Any variety of the sport where 6's are mundane and largely go ignored (excepty by the dancing girls) is not going to have much of a future. T20 in the UK is on a massive decline - tests and ODI's are firm favourites. And that's with England being T20 champs. We've played it here several years longer than most - and it does get dull pretty quick

  • on January 8, 2011, 21:43 GMT

    The note about Swann is, to quote the late, great Douglas Adams, a load of dingo's kidneys. KP etc got picked so it's not about availability is it? There is clearly residual antipathy towards the ECB for their high-handed and patronising attitude towards the early seasons of the IPL. However you'd think SOMEBODY in India would have paid attention to the Ashes and seen how woefully out of condition Bollinger is, that Ryan Harris now has a dodgy ankle to go with his other injuries and that Steve Smith can't bowl...or bat. And that Swann and Anderson (are along with Dale Steyn) the best bowlers in the world and Matt Prior arguably the best keeper. Not to mention Luke Wright. Who won the World Cup. And then Botha gets bought for 900k. Madness.

  • on January 8, 2011, 21:47 GMT

    For me its quiet interesting to know the business strategy of bidding for player. Though I feel KKR spend much money on Gambhir, they could even expect to do so. Another thing is that vogues player like Rohit, Piyush should not get this amount of money. If Botha can get a near about a million dollar then Swann should get around 2 million as per my cricketing knowledge concerned. Its really a mixture of feelings after seeing first day of IPL 4 auction.

  • chokkashokka on January 8, 2011, 21:49 GMT

    The English - so last century "mate"

  • on January 8, 2011, 22:12 GMT

    Well Mr. Ben,

    its also hard for Pakistanis to get interested in all this razmatazz as well.

  • on January 8, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    I am an Indian fan and I have been trying very hard to get interested in the IPL. But, honestly I dont even understand the point in playing IPL: regional teams with a random bunch of players going bang ...bang ... bang is so boring. We should close down IPL and have a 7 test match series with South Africa.

  • on January 8, 2011, 22:19 GMT

    NEWS FLASH: GAYLE DID NOT SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH WICB AND IS NOT OBLIGATED TO PLAY OVER THE NEXT 2 YEARS OR UNTIL WHENEVER

    HE IS AVAILABLE EVERY SINGLE GAME EVERY SINGLE SEASON UNTIL HE SIGNS HIS CONTRACT!

    Him and Pollard both didn't sign it because clearly they want to be able to play the IPL!!!!

    WAKE UP IPL FRANCHISEES!

  • on January 8, 2011, 22:21 GMT

    Q&A on their own may seem just ok.. but combine 1&2, and there can be no logical answer!! Swann is an even better & proven hitter than Botha; he is gud fielder & great catcher; and his record in T20 is exemplary. At half of Botha's price, even if he played 70% of tourney, he's worth every penny. Answer to all questions is simple, its futile to look for any logic in the auction as there isnt any!!