Spinner May 17, 2010

Three leggies, an offie and a leftie

Though spin has mostly played second fiddle to Pakistan's pace attack, in the hands of these masters it took a starring role
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Pace has always been the way of Pakistan. Many of the most famous triumphs have been scripted with fast bowling at the very center. But fine cameos have been provided by spinners, mostly as handy sidekicks, but occasionally in the identity of some, the main story themselves; in Pakistan's very first Test, in fact, the elderly portly legspinner Amir Elahi was their leading wicket-taker.

The story of Pakistan's spinners is of quality rather than quantity. Zulfiqar Ahmed, an offspinner, and brother-in-law of AH Kardar, was the country's first regular spinner and the first of his kind to win them a Test; 11 cheap wickets at the National Stadium in Karachi in 1955 brought Pakistan their first home Test win. Nineteen for him in the series brought them their first series win. Nasim-ul-Ghani and Pervez Sajjad, left-arm spinners both, kept things moving shortly after and spin has since been an essential component of any successful Pakistan attack.

The tradition is also a significant one with broader ripples. At a time, for example, when legspin had all but disappeared, Pakistan was captained by two, in Intikhab Alam and Mushtaq Mohammad. Not long after came Abdul Qadir, and though he didn't make the art as fashionable as did Shane Warne later, he stands at ground zero of the revival. With Mushtaq Ahmed and Danish Kaneria, Pakistan can truly claim to have done their bit and then some to keep alive cricket's most compelling skill.

Later would come Saqlain Mushtaq and in his own way he broadened the scope of modern-day offspin like no other. The doosra was his contribution to his breed and the variation is now an essential part of the offspinner's kit. There are names of real quality in the nominations and as Pakistan have needed only one spinner to complement their attack, so any all-time XI has space ideally for only one. The choice is not straightforward.

The contenders

Abdul Qadir
The true father of modern legspin, Qadir had more tricks than - to paraphrase Almanack editor Scyld Berry - a truckload of monkeys. There were two kinds of googlies (from the wrist and fingers), a killer flipper, leggies of various breaks and speeds, and an over regularly threw up six different deliveries, all from a wonderfully wheelin', dealin' action. Qadir was a slave to his moods but when the mood took him - usually at the coaxing of Imran Khan - he was unplayable. Graham Gooch reckoned him to be more difficult to negotiate than Shane Warne.

Saqlain Mushtaq
A wonderfully innovative offspinner, who gave to the world the offie's wrong'un, the doosra. His basics were solid too, and his offbreak was a big-spinning and accurate staple, delivered from a fast, short-stepping action that has spawned numerous imitators in Pakistan. At his peak, from the mid-90s to the end of the decade, he was arguably the best of his kind in the world, even with Muttiah Muralitharan around; even India, those masters of spin, were regularly troubled by him. Over-use of the weapon that made him eventually eroded his effectiveness.

Mushtaq Ahmed
Though he began as a Qadir clone - the action was essentially a bouncier version - Mushy actually hastened the end of his career in the late 80s and early 90s, so impressive was his arrival. He had the variations, even if he relied too heavily on the googly, but on bouncy surfaces he was lethal and a perfect complement to Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis. His best years came in the early and mid-90s, and at his absolute peak he didn't come off poorly in comparisons with Warne.

Iqbal Qasim
Comfortably Pakistan's best left-arm spinner, Qasim wasn't one to lure batsmen into elaborate traps of flight and spin. His was a more pragmatic charm, relentlessly pegging away at one target, often pushing it through, drying up runs and playing on patience. The famous Bangalore win in 1987 was a case in point, where he smartly took Bishan Bedi's advice to not spin the ball too much and rely instead on the track to misbehave. But 50 Tests in a time when Qadir ruled the roost and Tauseef Ahmed was around speak highly of just how good he was.

Danish Kaneria
No spinner has taken more Test wickets for Pakistan than Kaneria. He was the man who ended Mushy's Test career in the early years of this decade, and though not as explosive as his two predecessors, Kaneria has been a worthy successor in troubled times. Flight is not the weapon as much as bounce and accuracy, and the googly - again overused - is a well-disguised one. He has suffered from not having reliable pace-bowling support at the other end and can go for long spells where he doesn't look like getting a wicket. Unlucky also to have Kamran Akmal as a wicketkeeper, but on his day he can and has transformed Tests.

We'll be publishing an all-time Pakistan XI based on readers' votes to go with our jury's XI. To pick your spinner click here

Osman Samiuddin is Pakistan editor of Cricinfo

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  • gojjo on May 20, 2010, 12:25 GMT

    an all time xi of prima donnas?- the criteria should be who is a team player - and wants to play for the team? individual ability and skill and performance can never be a criteria to select an time Pak XI. Zaheer?he never liked Javed becoming a captain before him neither was he in the good books of Imran - Wasim and Waqar had knives out for one another. read the autobiography of miandad - full of vitriol against former team members!!!

  • binkaf on May 20, 2010, 10:10 GMT

    I personally would have fancied Saqlain as I grew up with his generation and his records are far too impressive as well but I will go with Qadir for this team as I think Qadir had it all to be listed in all time great team. His mere presence was enough and his spirits always so high. I feel sorry for fantastic Saqlain but here Qadir wud be more appropriate than him. Lastly I think Pakistan will be a greater force with both of these in team, hunting in tendom along with two Ws and of course Imran wud b there, as a leader; as an all-rounder!

  • kim_sanders_world_music on May 20, 2010, 9:50 GMT

    Why can't I pick two spinners? My team is: Hanif Mohammad, Saeed Anwar, Javed Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Inzumam ul Haq, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Wasim Bari, Saqlain Mushtaq, Waqar Yunus

  • vg0706 on May 20, 2010, 2:15 GMT

    The most balanced team is as follows, in batting order: 1. Hanif Md 2. Majid Khan 3. Zaheer Abbas 4. Miandad 5. Inzamam 6. Mushtaq Md. 7. Imran Khan 8. Wasim Akram 9. Wasim Bari 10. Saqlain Mushtaq 11. Fazal Mahmood Majid vs Anwar and Fazal vs Waqar are close calls, but in both cases I think preference should be given to legends who were ahead of their times. Picking Mushtaq Mohammad as the allrounder provides real balance to the team as he is both a genuine batsman and genuine legspinner. He is the perfect answer to the question of whether to have 3 or 4 batsman and also allows a balanced bowling attack with 3 fast and 2 spinners. In absolute terms, I would pick Qadir ahead of Saqlain as a spinner, but having Mushtaq Mohammad in the team as legspinner means picking Saqlain for team balance. Clearly, the result of the poll depends on whether you pick the XI as a team, or pick the best under each category independently - Cricinfo are you listening!!

  • vg0706 on May 20, 2010, 1:49 GMT

    Dear CRICINFO, For future all time XIs, instead of the current structure of voting in various categories independently, pls adopt a structure to select all XI on a single page once the nominations in all categories are complete. In Pakistan's case there are people who want flexibility to choose 4 batsmen or 2 spinners. The current set up is 2 opnrs, 3 m/o, 1 ar, 1wk, 3 fast and 1 spinner. For team balance, one should select Mushtaq Mohammad as the allrounder (however, since it is a category-wise poll, most would select Imran), selecting 3 more fast bowlers results in an imbalanced bowling attack with 4 fast and 1 spinner. Also, if Mushtaq Mohammad is in the team, one should select Saqlain Mushtaq instead of Qadir - something many would overlook in the current setup. When you have the poll for India - Vinoo Mankad will be nominated both as opener and allrounder - the entire structure and choice of team depends on whether Mankad or Merchant is chosen as Gavaskar's partner to open!

  • realredbaron on May 19, 2010, 23:20 GMT

    to all Pakistanis who are routing for Saqlain: Saqlain Mushtaq was even overlooked in his own career for other spinners in the Pakistan team. This says how much ineffective Saqlain was in his later days. For a spinner, fitness can be one of the last obstacles, except for finger or wrist injuries. So, Saqlain could not even guarantee a place for himself in the Pakistan XI in regular basis, how come we are arguing he be included in the all time XI? Does that make any sense? beside a quality leggie is usually more preferable in the longer version of the game as leg spin is usually more difficult to play against in a turning wicket final day wicket. It's Abdul Qadir guys.

  • Abbajani on May 19, 2010, 16:19 GMT

    Best Pakistan All-time 11:- 1)Hanif Muhammad 2)Saeed Anwar 3)Inzamam-ul-Haq 4)Zaheer Abbas 5)Javed Miandad 6)Imran Khan 7)Wasim Bari 8)Wasim Akram 9)Waqar Younus 10)Saqlain Mushtaq 11)Shoaib Akhtar/Abdul Qadir

  • Engle on May 19, 2010, 15:18 GMT

    Ok, Ok, now listen to me here, selectors. Dont just pick the ' best Test ' team of all time, even though that's what the title says. Pick the team that best projects Pakistan cricket, the most fascinating, the most impressive, the one that gets other countries to pay heed. Considering what Pakistan cricket has been through, I believe this is the right approach. So, Zaheer over M.Yusuf, Qadir overSaki, Bari over Latif, Majid over Saeed A....you get what I mean ? Thank You,

  • ahassan on May 19, 2010, 3:28 GMT

    Jury's XI most probably would be this. Hanif Mohammad, Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, Inzamamul Haq, Imran Khan, Wasim Bari, Wasim Akram, Fazal Mahmood, Waqar Younis and Abdul Qadir. I would prefer Mohammad Yousuf over Zaheer Abbas and Moin Khan over Wasim Bari or Rashid Latif. Reason:- Yousuf has a much better overall record than Zaheer. Zaheer in his 15 innings against the West Indies never scored a century and crossed 50 just once. It shows how much weak he was against pace. His record in home and away tests is also nowhere near Yousuf. Even Younus Khan's record is better than him. Moin was a never say die kind of player. To win matches you need fighters like Moin. Wasim Bari and Rashid Latif may be a little better as wicket keepers but were far behind Moin when it comes to bravery. Rashid was also penalised for cheating once. Thus my XI would be Hanif, Saeed, Yousuf, Javed, Inzamam, Imran, Moin, Wasim Akram, Fazal, Waqar and Qadir. 12th man Younus.

  • Siva_Bala75 on May 19, 2010, 2:47 GMT

    To drop Md.Yusuf is so wrong. Also, if you play with only 5 batsmen, Yusuf is a must- lends that stability so often missing in a typical Pak XI. My all time best Pak XI: Hanif, Saeed, Javed, Inzy, Md. Yousuf, Imran, Akram, Bari,Waqar, Saqlain, Qadir

  • gojjo on May 20, 2010, 12:25 GMT

    an all time xi of prima donnas?- the criteria should be who is a team player - and wants to play for the team? individual ability and skill and performance can never be a criteria to select an time Pak XI. Zaheer?he never liked Javed becoming a captain before him neither was he in the good books of Imran - Wasim and Waqar had knives out for one another. read the autobiography of miandad - full of vitriol against former team members!!!

  • binkaf on May 20, 2010, 10:10 GMT

    I personally would have fancied Saqlain as I grew up with his generation and his records are far too impressive as well but I will go with Qadir for this team as I think Qadir had it all to be listed in all time great team. His mere presence was enough and his spirits always so high. I feel sorry for fantastic Saqlain but here Qadir wud be more appropriate than him. Lastly I think Pakistan will be a greater force with both of these in team, hunting in tendom along with two Ws and of course Imran wud b there, as a leader; as an all-rounder!

  • kim_sanders_world_music on May 20, 2010, 9:50 GMT

    Why can't I pick two spinners? My team is: Hanif Mohammad, Saeed Anwar, Javed Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Inzumam ul Haq, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Wasim Bari, Saqlain Mushtaq, Waqar Yunus

  • vg0706 on May 20, 2010, 2:15 GMT

    The most balanced team is as follows, in batting order: 1. Hanif Md 2. Majid Khan 3. Zaheer Abbas 4. Miandad 5. Inzamam 6. Mushtaq Md. 7. Imran Khan 8. Wasim Akram 9. Wasim Bari 10. Saqlain Mushtaq 11. Fazal Mahmood Majid vs Anwar and Fazal vs Waqar are close calls, but in both cases I think preference should be given to legends who were ahead of their times. Picking Mushtaq Mohammad as the allrounder provides real balance to the team as he is both a genuine batsman and genuine legspinner. He is the perfect answer to the question of whether to have 3 or 4 batsman and also allows a balanced bowling attack with 3 fast and 2 spinners. In absolute terms, I would pick Qadir ahead of Saqlain as a spinner, but having Mushtaq Mohammad in the team as legspinner means picking Saqlain for team balance. Clearly, the result of the poll depends on whether you pick the XI as a team, or pick the best under each category independently - Cricinfo are you listening!!

  • vg0706 on May 20, 2010, 1:49 GMT

    Dear CRICINFO, For future all time XIs, instead of the current structure of voting in various categories independently, pls adopt a structure to select all XI on a single page once the nominations in all categories are complete. In Pakistan's case there are people who want flexibility to choose 4 batsmen or 2 spinners. The current set up is 2 opnrs, 3 m/o, 1 ar, 1wk, 3 fast and 1 spinner. For team balance, one should select Mushtaq Mohammad as the allrounder (however, since it is a category-wise poll, most would select Imran), selecting 3 more fast bowlers results in an imbalanced bowling attack with 4 fast and 1 spinner. Also, if Mushtaq Mohammad is in the team, one should select Saqlain Mushtaq instead of Qadir - something many would overlook in the current setup. When you have the poll for India - Vinoo Mankad will be nominated both as opener and allrounder - the entire structure and choice of team depends on whether Mankad or Merchant is chosen as Gavaskar's partner to open!

  • realredbaron on May 19, 2010, 23:20 GMT

    to all Pakistanis who are routing for Saqlain: Saqlain Mushtaq was even overlooked in his own career for other spinners in the Pakistan team. This says how much ineffective Saqlain was in his later days. For a spinner, fitness can be one of the last obstacles, except for finger or wrist injuries. So, Saqlain could not even guarantee a place for himself in the Pakistan XI in regular basis, how come we are arguing he be included in the all time XI? Does that make any sense? beside a quality leggie is usually more preferable in the longer version of the game as leg spin is usually more difficult to play against in a turning wicket final day wicket. It's Abdul Qadir guys.

  • Abbajani on May 19, 2010, 16:19 GMT

    Best Pakistan All-time 11:- 1)Hanif Muhammad 2)Saeed Anwar 3)Inzamam-ul-Haq 4)Zaheer Abbas 5)Javed Miandad 6)Imran Khan 7)Wasim Bari 8)Wasim Akram 9)Waqar Younus 10)Saqlain Mushtaq 11)Shoaib Akhtar/Abdul Qadir

  • Engle on May 19, 2010, 15:18 GMT

    Ok, Ok, now listen to me here, selectors. Dont just pick the ' best Test ' team of all time, even though that's what the title says. Pick the team that best projects Pakistan cricket, the most fascinating, the most impressive, the one that gets other countries to pay heed. Considering what Pakistan cricket has been through, I believe this is the right approach. So, Zaheer over M.Yusuf, Qadir overSaki, Bari over Latif, Majid over Saeed A....you get what I mean ? Thank You,

  • ahassan on May 19, 2010, 3:28 GMT

    Jury's XI most probably would be this. Hanif Mohammad, Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, Inzamamul Haq, Imran Khan, Wasim Bari, Wasim Akram, Fazal Mahmood, Waqar Younis and Abdul Qadir. I would prefer Mohammad Yousuf over Zaheer Abbas and Moin Khan over Wasim Bari or Rashid Latif. Reason:- Yousuf has a much better overall record than Zaheer. Zaheer in his 15 innings against the West Indies never scored a century and crossed 50 just once. It shows how much weak he was against pace. His record in home and away tests is also nowhere near Yousuf. Even Younus Khan's record is better than him. Moin was a never say die kind of player. To win matches you need fighters like Moin. Wasim Bari and Rashid Latif may be a little better as wicket keepers but were far behind Moin when it comes to bravery. Rashid was also penalised for cheating once. Thus my XI would be Hanif, Saeed, Yousuf, Javed, Inzamam, Imran, Moin, Wasim Akram, Fazal, Waqar and Qadir. 12th man Younus.

  • Siva_Bala75 on May 19, 2010, 2:47 GMT

    To drop Md.Yusuf is so wrong. Also, if you play with only 5 batsmen, Yusuf is a must- lends that stability so often missing in a typical Pak XI. My all time best Pak XI: Hanif, Saeed, Javed, Inzy, Md. Yousuf, Imran, Akram, Bari,Waqar, Saqlain, Qadir

  • Mahdi_E-Dra_Gujranwali on May 18, 2010, 20:06 GMT

    Assalam Alikum brathers

    I rate Saqlain highly because in his final years as a cricketer he became more religious , it didn't seem to matter to him that Sehwag was making him look like a fool by swatting his doosras towards swat valley. Mushtaq Ahmed was great too as he also did well in his final years by becoming a Tablighi and getting a british passport. Kaneria is going the same way( i.e British Passport way) but then he can be dismissed as a RAA agent.I don't like Wasim and Shoaib Akthar because they are too bollywood type. In this hour of deep crisis and load shedding I would prefer to pick players like Javed Miandad, Imran and other Tablighi players in the all time best side, why take risk and invite the wrath of criciban?

  • Hindkowan on May 18, 2010, 19:41 GMT

    Nothing to discuss here, let's all move on....Abdul Qadir all day long.

    The original and best

  • 499runout on May 18, 2010, 16:15 GMT

    I would take Qadir. I don't think Saqi was too threatening overseas. Here's my team:

    Hanif Mohammed, Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad,Md. Yusuf, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Imran Khan, Moin Khan, Waqar Younis, Fazal Mahmood, Abdul Qadir

  • cricketchopper on May 18, 2010, 16:11 GMT

    9) Waqar Younus, No one has been able to swing almost every ball of his spell like Waqar could do. In cricket history, it is hard to find a bowler, swinging almost every ball. He was inspiration for owlers like Shoaib AKhtar & Malinga.

    10) Abdul Qadir, dont count his average and strike rate. He was inspiration for Shane Warne & Mushtaq Ahmed. Great Richards was not terrified by any fast bowler but spinner Abdul Qadir.

    11) Waseem Bari, Never dropped a real catch. Even great Alon Knot considered him to be the best of all times.

  • cricketchopper on May 18, 2010, 16:05 GMT

    4) Jawed Miandad, he was an example how to contribute for the team. He always contributed something for the team. Can u see any one like him nowadays?

    5) Asif Iqbal, he was great inspiration for those who want to see a heroic epic. He was not a great scorer but his performance in crisis is examplory. The world of cricket never seen a rescuer better then him.

    6)Inzimam-ul-Haq, he was mysteriously great. No one could imagine when Inzi is going to astonish the cricket world. He had immense energy and potential which cannot be compared with anyone.

    7)Imran, He performed more than his cricket potential just through his Will power and intelligence.An example of cricket-Will-Power. The world of cricket never saw a fast bowling all rounder equal to him.

    8)Waseem Akram, A man who had unbelieveably natural action and talent. When he was bowling at his boom, he was unplayable.All left handers worship him as God of left arm bowling

  • cricketchopper on May 18, 2010, 15:51 GMT

    In fact the all time XIs selected till now are based on the creteria that HOW MUCH A CRICKETER INFLUENCED THE GAME OF CRICKET IN THE COUNTRY. We have example of Australia who selected Allan Border instead of Ponting. Applying the same Criteria, we have to select 1)Hanif Muhammad, He was a great influence for all the Pakistani batsman during 50s and 60s. 2)Majid Khan, He was most graceful cricketer. By watching him one knew that physical work of playing cricket may also be glamorous. His late-cutts, strange looking-square drives, even his running between the wicket, his style of handling the bate all were things to watch. People all over the world followed him. 3)Zaheer Abbas, He was an example of Wrist-work. His range of stroke was astonishing and reminded of bradman. He was master of both leg drive and cover driver. All the later players having great wrist work were in fact his followers. In Pakistani Saeed Anwar was second to him in Wrist-work & M.Yousuf, the third one.

  • ss_ton on May 18, 2010, 15:11 GMT

    There were a couple of years when Saqlain was at his peak and I have never seen the Indians struggle against any spinner the way they did against him in that period. Qadir is an all-time great in my opinion whose stats don't quite do justice to him.

    This is some cricket team, btw. Can't really see them losing to any other all-time XI...

  • Murtaza. on May 18, 2010, 15:01 GMT

    Thanks every body that you all done a great job and choosed best All time Pakistan Test XI: Hanif Mohammad, Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, Inzamam Ul Haq, Imran Khan(C), Wasim Akram, Wasim Bari(Wk), Abdul Qadir, Fazal Mahmood, Waqar Younis. And do not forget taht Wasim Akram nad Imran Khan can make place in any all time world XI

  • usmanmansur on May 18, 2010, 13:06 GMT

    has to be qadir but importantly rashid has to be the keeper not moin as moin would be hapless against qadir

  • on May 18, 2010, 12:46 GMT

    I picked Iqbal Qasim, he was very under estimated bowler but just look at it figures economy rate, average and he played many useful innings low down the order. I hav never seen him playing but I heard he was very hard to hit for runs

  • on May 18, 2010, 12:44 GMT

    Well the best choice would be SAQLAIN MUSHTAQ . So here is my ALL TIME XI . 1) Hanif Mohamad 2) Saeed Anwar3) Zaheer Abbass4) Javed Miandad5) Inzimam Ul Haq6) Imran Khan7) Wasim Bari8) Waseem Akram9)Waqar Yonuis10) Fazal Mahmood 11) saqlain Mushtaq. Let see if it matches with Cricinfo XI

  • iceman85 on May 18, 2010, 11:36 GMT

    I will prefer Saqlain Mushtaq the one who created lethal "DOSRA" on Abdul Qadir (though he was one of the greatest leggie of all time) Saqi got better average and bags two hat ricks also. Anywaz my final XI would be 1) Saeed Anwer 2) Hanif Muhammad 3) Zaheer Abbas 4) Javed Miandad 5) Inzama-ul-haq 6) Imran Khan 7) Rashid Latif 8) Wasim akram 9) Fazal Muhammad 10) Saqlain Mushtaq 11) Waqar Younis

  • realredbaron on May 18, 2010, 9:49 GMT

    All time Pakistan Test XI: Hanif Mohammad, Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, Inzamam Ul Haq, Imran Khan(C), Wasim Akram, Wasim Bari(Wk), Abdul Qadir, Fazal Mahmood, Waqar Younis.

  • on May 18, 2010, 9:31 GMT

    I would tie it between Abdul Qadir and Saqlain. Both these bowlers get less credit for what they did as one revived leg spin which was taken to newer heights by Warne and the other invented the doosra making likes of Murali much more lethal.

  • ijazwarraich09 on May 18, 2010, 8:11 GMT

    i will go with abdul qadir because of his agressivenes , and my all time PAKISTAN 11 is this ,,, (1)- Hanif Muhammad, (2)- Saeed Anwar, (3)-Javed Miandad, (4)-Zaheer Abbas, (5)- Inzimama Ul Haq, (6)-Imran Khan, (7)-Moin Khan, (8)-Wasim Akram, (9)-Waqar Younis, (10)-Shoaib Akhtar, (11)- Abdul Qadir

  • cricketchopper on May 18, 2010, 8:05 GMT

    MY PREDICTION:

    Jury is going to select following team:

    Hanif, Majid, Zaheer, Jawed, Inzimam, Asif Iqbal, Imran, Akram, Waqar, Qadir, Bari

  • on May 18, 2010, 5:30 GMT

    saki any day

  • GoldenAsif on May 18, 2010, 0:51 GMT

    voted for Abdul Qadir, easily Pakistan's best test spinner. On a turning pitch he was an absolute nightmare. Saqlain was more effective in ODIs

    1- Hanif Mohammad 2- Saeed Anwar 3- Zaheer Abbas 4- Javed Miandad 5- Inzamam-ul-Haq 6- Imran Khan (c) 7- Wasim Akram 8- Wasim Bari 9- Abdul Qadir 10- Fazal Mahmood 11- Waqar Younis

    This team has 5 quality batsmen, a great all-rounder, 4 great fast bowlers (incl. Imran) and Abdul Qadir

  • asifnzaidi on May 18, 2010, 0:48 GMT

    Wasif Ahmed Siddiqui:

    Your choice is quite pathetic. Obviously you are not choosing an All-Time XI. You are choosing Mohsin Khan over Hanif Mohammad for operner- do you know cricket.

    And Saqlain over AbdulQadir !! Saqqy was a stud on his day (of which were many) but over AQ - no way.

  • Mr_Anonymous on May 18, 2010, 0:30 GMT

    I have to weigh in as I have seen Abdul Qadir in action and used to be a fan.

    On the basis of consistency, it would have to be Saqlain Mushtaq. But on the basis of "raw" talent and skill, I would have to say Abdul Qadir. Its sad that Qadir's overall record, while reasonably good, did not do full justice to his talent.

  • naeem-butt on May 17, 2010, 23:40 GMT

    As a pakistani i grow up watching cricket.i love this game,if i am getting chance to pick best XI from all time list.my team will be 1.majid khan.2.saeed anwar,3.zaheer abbas,4.saleem malik,5.inzamam-ul-haq,6.imran khan,7,rashid latif,8.wasim akram,9.saqlain mushtaq,10.waqar younis,11.shoib akhtar.if you have these players in your team at the same time you will never need different squads for test ODI or T20 they are the simply best ever produced

  • raskalamindit on May 17, 2010, 22:15 GMT

    1. Hanif Mohommad 2. Saeed Anwar 3. Javed Miandad 4. Mohommad Yousuf 5. Zaheer Abbas 6. Inzimam Ul -Haq 7. Imran Khan 8. Wasim Akram 9. Abdul Qadir 10. Waqar Younus 11. Wasim Bari

    12th man- Fazal Mahmood

  • nafzak on May 17, 2010, 22:09 GMT

    My friends.. stop with the statistics - who cares? Stats are for losers. The selectors will select who they feel are the best. It's very subjective. The pitches are prepared differently as in decades past. No more matting wickets. Batsmen wear helmets. The bats are lighter and better. Travel is easier. Players play a lot more test matches in their prime today that in the past, hence they have more opportunities to excel and take more wickets and batsmen more runs.

    The question is, which players would YOU WANT TO SEE PLAY and LOVE WATCHING. He does not have to be the highest wicket taker or make the most test runs. For example; Zaheer Abbass or Mohammed Yousuf? Of course, Zaheer was more fun to watch and a great batsman to boot. Watching Mohammed Yousuf, even though he is a great batsman, is like watching grass grow. Now, how can you not like Abdul Qadir and the bounce and fun just in the run up. Now, tell me that that's not fun to watch!

  • nafzak on May 17, 2010, 21:58 GMT

    I will not argue with anyone's picks. For me though, it has to be Abdul Qadir. 1. He was very good. 2. He was fun to watch. 3. I really enjoyed watching him bowl. 4. I pay to watch him bowl all day. 5. Read 2, 3 and 4 again. I just love the guy. That's my take and I am sticking to it.

  • PakOne on May 17, 2010, 21:52 GMT

    I am a cricket geek and I have seen the ups & down of Pakistan cricket since the early 80s. This is probably the toughest selection item in Pakistan All Times XI. Both Saqlain & Qadir would make it to any XI. You can't pick one over the other, they both revived the art of spin. One kept the legspin alive with tons of variations, you name it, the other reinvented the art of offspin. To me, one is the father of modern legspin and the other is the father of modern offspin. At the end, it would probably come down to how many left/right handed batsman you have in the opposition.

  • Himayun on May 17, 2010, 21:24 GMT

    Unfortunately all these leg-spinners have a rather high test average of more than 30. I would include Mushtaq Muhammad as an all rounder who is the only lbg bowler to have a test average of under 30. Even though for the obvious reasons he was under-bowled especially by Intikhab Alam as captain. In the county cricket Mush had a chance to bowl and his first class average is only 24, that too against the county oppositions.

    Most of Pakistani LBG bowlers had very mediocre averages particularly against India. That means Qasim or an off spinner is the only choice if one insists of having a spinner in the team.

  • on May 17, 2010, 21:23 GMT

    Saqkain hands down, if could trouble Indians, he can do the same to any one.

  • NickHughes on May 17, 2010, 21:21 GMT

    Much as I think Mushtaq Ahmed is the best first class spinner on the list, I opted for the Pakistani bogeyman of the 80s, Abdul Qadir. His name on a team sheet made opponents worry.

  • on May 17, 2010, 20:26 GMT

    My best eleven players of pakistan.

    1.saeed anware 2.mohsin khan 3.javeed miandad 4.zaheer abas. 5.inzamam ul haq 6.hanef mohammad 7.imran khan. 8.rashid latif. 9.waseem akram. 10.saqleen mushtaq 11.waqar yunis or shoaib akhtar

  • ZafarMushir on May 17, 2010, 20:14 GMT

    I understand the limited spots but I think you would be doing great injustice if you do not even mention Tauseef Ahmed. He was the one who won us the Banglore test along with Iqbal Qasim. Couple of sentences would not have heard.

  • Dr.Arshad on May 17, 2010, 18:24 GMT

    saqlain mushtaq......he gave doosra to cricketing world........word coined by moin khan

  • on May 17, 2010, 17:25 GMT

    the comment about Danish Kaneria: " Unlucky also to have Kamran Akmal as a wicketkeeper, but on his day he can and has transformed Tests" - brilliant state of the facts .... love it :-)

  • eshazu on May 17, 2010, 17:14 GMT

    where can you view results from voting?

  • asefali on May 17, 2010, 16:15 GMT

    If the team was selected only for tests then I would have selected Abdul Qadir but since we are selecting a team for Test, ODI and T20, it has to be Saqlain. Not to forget that he also has a test century (as reminded by Faisal.Jaan)

  • NALINWIJ on May 17, 2010, 16:05 GMT

    ABDUL QADIR was the most penetrative ahead of Saqlain. Mushtaq mohommod was not far behind this groupe and the ideal 2nd spinner. 3 allrounders were picked in 2 categories. mushtaq[batsman] and imran and wasim as bowlers so why not select all 3. If the pakistan AT XI was selecting the best 6 batsmen ,WK,3pacemen and 1 spinner then it would be a no brainer. Openers- HANIF,ANWAR ahead of MAJID; Middle order-ZAHEER,JAVED,INZAMAM and YOHANNA or MUSHTAQ MOHOMMOD if 2nd spinner is needed; PACEMEN-IMRAN,WASIM,WAQAR; WK-BARI; SPINNER-QADIR. No doubt that IMRAN was the greatest allrounder but picking MUSHTAQ at 6 balances the side. AT XI is 1.HANIF;2.ANWAR;3.ZAHEER;4.Javed;5.INZAMAM;6.MUSHTAQ;7.IMRAN;8.WASIM AKRAM 9.BARI 10.WAQAR 11.QADIR 12.YOHANNA. THIS side covers all pitches.

  • Rothiq on May 17, 2010, 15:52 GMT

    I will go with Saqlain. The other bowlers would be Imran, Wasim and Waqar. These would then let me pick Mushtaq Mohamed as the allrounder and second spinner. This would give pakistan a strong tail and would allow picking bari as a specialist keeper. I would have loved to pick afridi instead as the allrounder just because if he had Imran as captain he would have been transformed to a regular match winner with both bat and ball.

  • usmaqs on May 17, 2010, 15:41 GMT

    its a little tough among three greats qadir, mushtaq and saqi. But as averages and wickets explain...it should be saqi as he is the master of reading minds of the batsmen. and getting wickets very smartly.....

  • gusgemba on May 17, 2010, 15:35 GMT

    Me as a Sri Lankan thinks Pakistan has got the best bowling squad for an all timmeXI.In Imran Khan and Waqar Younis they got rightarm fast bowlers.In Wasim Akram you are having a leftarm fast bowler.So you no need to have a fourth pacmen when you have those 3.Now you can comfortably accomodate 2 spinners.Abdul Qadir-leg spinner and Saqlain Mustaq-off spinner.Guys what more Pakistan can ask in their bowling department to win a Test.Do not forget you a choosing an all time XI.Shoaib Akthar is the fastest bowler in the history.But he is infront of Imran,Wasm and Waqar only by the speed not by the quality. My Pakistan XI -1. Hanif Mohammad,2.Saeed Anwar,3.Inzamam-ul-Haq,4.Zaheer Abbas.5.Javed Minadad,6.Imran Khan(Capt),7.Wasim Akram,8.Wasim Bari,9.Saqlain Mushtaq,10.Abdul Qadir,11.Waqar Younis

  • tendlya on May 17, 2010, 15:16 GMT

    was very hard but had to leave out saqlain and choose Qadir. I dont understand why there can't be 2 spinners if there is a fast bowling all rounder...

  • ravimenon on May 17, 2010, 15:09 GMT

    Pakistan are always very lucky in producing high quality matchwinning Spin bowlers. Mushtaq(Sr), Qadir, Mushtaq(jr) and Kaneria were real match winners with legspin bowling. Saqulin was a wonderful offspinner and in left arm spin they had IqbalQasim. All are capable of walking into any Test Team. But, when we select a an all time PAK team, we need to look into the combination. So , I prefer Saqulin Mushatq or Iqbal Qasim to be included in eleven, Because, Mushatq Mohammad will be in my team as an all rounder. He was real allrounder like Sir Gary. Abdul qadir's performance was mainly under Imran Khan and his performance against india is not satisfacto0ry. Thats why I prefer Saqulin or Qasim above Qadir becuase, both had bowled better than qadir against India. So my eleven will be- Majid Khan, saeed Anwar,Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, Inzamam, Mushtaq Mohammed, Wasim Bari, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar & Saqulin/Qasim. either Mushtaq/Imran will laed the side.

  • waspsting on May 17, 2010, 15:01 GMT

    Qadair, i guess has the biggest rep - people talk about how he was a wizard, and i know he had a hard time from umpires who didn't understand what he was doing.

    Mushtaq ahmed i've seen - he had a period when he was amazing, even ahead of warne, but he just didn't do it (bowl high quality) for long enough.

    saqlain was good, but i'd always prefer a leggie in my team to an offie (i was interested to see that he has the best average of the lot in test cricket).

    Kaniera is decent and has had some decent series'...but i don't rank him too high... the lack of flight is a drawback in all conditions, and sometimes he's wholly ineffective.

    So, I give the nod to Abdul Qudair. also, i think Tauseef Ahmed should have been mentioned - he was a fine spinner.

    in the pakistan sections, you guys have excluded more genuine contenders for a spot than for any of the teams that have come before

  • deepak_jain103 on May 17, 2010, 15:00 GMT

    saqlain undoubtedly was the best

  • ahassan on May 17, 2010, 14:21 GMT

    It has to be Qadir. He was the one who kept the art of leg spin alive when it was all about pace everywhere. No other Pakistani spinner was in the class of Abdul Qadir. Saqlain was also very good but since we have to pick only one spinner I regret omitting him. For the knowledge of Kaneria supporters, his record is good against Bangladesh only. Against other test playing countries he is pretty ordinary. Pakistan's fielding has always been very sloppy and not only Kaneria but all the spinners have suffered because of it.

  • on May 17, 2010, 13:55 GMT

    obviosuly it comes down to saqlain and qadir...and remember one thing, while saqlain did invent the doosra, shane warne himself learned much of his legspin from qadir, so that should say something about qadir...i would pick qadir tbh

  • on May 17, 2010, 13:54 GMT

    i would agree 100% with Srinivas Pachari here. i would prefer to pick AB Qadar in my team.

  • MFNadeem on May 17, 2010, 13:43 GMT

    Dear Omsan: As always, I will again go for averages and strike rates. In that case, I would select Saqlain. Like Qadir, he is also pioneer cricketer. Qadir revived legspin and Saqlain invented doosra. I choose Saqlain because of his averages and his wonderful record in ODIs. He can still be a contender for Pakistan berth (He is of same age group as Ajmal, so why not). Furthermore, he has a test century which gives him additional edge over the others.

  • on May 17, 2010, 13:31 GMT

    Qadir qadir and qadir!!!abdul qadir should be in the team

  • manasvi_lingam on May 17, 2010, 13:30 GMT

    Qadir was a magician and for those who didn't watch him and those who don't realise the importance of his leg-spin (and he revived a dying art) will go for Saqlain. I shall go for Qadir despite Saqlain's superior record.

  • bobby3054 on May 17, 2010, 13:29 GMT

    Saqlain was the one who invented the doosra,,am from India,,and I loved to see saqlain bowl ,,,

  • Murtaza. on May 17, 2010, 13:00 GMT

    Qadir, Saqlain and Mushtaq, all three were best in thier buisnes. Saqlain was off spinner and introduced "doosra". Qadir had a killer flipper, leggies, and Mushtaq had great googly. all three were match winners specialy Qadir against teams like England, West Indies, Australia but against India he was not so good. Saqlain was very good against India and once against England. Mushtaq Had good time Against England on tour 1992 and 1996 and very good against Australia and New Zealand in 1995. Very difficult to choose one of them, but my choice is Abdul Qadir because of his more variety then others bowler in histroy of the game.

  • Shaz1976 on May 17, 2010, 12:31 GMT

    As the majority of matches are played at home, the subcontinent teams should be allowed two spinners. With Imran the all-rounder, Wasim and Waqar the fast bowlers, we could select two spinners from the above. As we are restricted to one spinner, I will have to select Abdul Qadir. I started watching cricket when Pakistan toured England in 1987, Qadir took '9 for' at the Oval and then '9 for' at Lahore, when England toured Pakistan that winter. Unfortunately living in Engalnd pre-satellite TV, I was unable to see Qadir weave his magic again. Considering most batsmen of that era mention Qadir as a great bowler, the fact he almost single-handedly kept legspin bowling alive during the 80's when fast bowling was the fad and that even the 'great' Shane Warne would go to him for advice, speaks volumes. The other candidates, are all worthy contenders in their own right, and just like the fast bowling short list, this is high quality. Regardless of who is selected, we should celebrate them all.

  • on May 17, 2010, 11:57 GMT

    Saqlain is the best option for me, although its very tough between Qadir and Saqlain but i think stats also favor Saqlain Mushtaq with a better Test bowling average than any of his rivals, Kaneria although has more wickets but with the luxury of playing more tests. On the other front, he is the total winner in the ODIs

  • on May 17, 2010, 11:28 GMT

    Seriously, I have said this earlier and I will say this once more. As a bowler, it is a serious let down if you have shitty fielders, let alone a wicket keeper. And we have actually lost the count of the number of times Kamran Akmal has failed to complete the job for Kaneria. We are only looking at the number of times Kaneria has failed to take a wicket because of Akmal's failures, but if we convert the failures to success, the aftermath of those success would have certainly made Kaneria's impact deadly in all those matches. That would have made Kaneria arguably the best spinner ever in Pakistan's cricket. If any of the other greats (be in captains or bowlers) had a wicket keeper like Akmal, he would have been easily fired long time ago. I am not a pakistan hater but this is a blantant truth that we are forgetting. But overcoming all this hardships and still bowling, this dude is obviously a great spinner, I would say.

  • Just_Love_Cricket on May 17, 2010, 11:15 GMT

    It goes without saying the real choice is between Saqlain & Qadir. Both were great but I would go with Saqlain. He was an innovator. prabably having an edge over Qadir. Saqlain had a good track against almost all test playing countries while Qadir wasnt very successful against India. Saqlain was successful despite having to play along Wasim Waqar Shoaib...

  • Umair_umair on May 17, 2010, 11:13 GMT

    @Rake1 - Thanks Rake1, you reminded us some of the talented Guys, who we IN and OUT throughout 90s. Though they could not do justice to their talent. But really nice to see those names. Thanks

  • JohnSnider on May 17, 2010, 10:48 GMT

    What can I say, ShAhoo, below, said every thing thatt I wanted to say. Personally I dont know any of the Pakistani spinners, though being Pakistani I left Pakistan in 1972. Whatever is my knowledge none of them was very impressive like Anil Kumble and Muralidhern. My favourite was Anil Kumble but he never defected to Pakistan, I was hoping he would do for me. The border, It is just a line where love ends and hatred starts between two countries

    personally, I heard lot about Mushtaq Ahmad, how sucessful was he in English county and that is real commendable. So I chose him.

  • FIASNAHK on May 17, 2010, 10:40 GMT

    This is tough, mushtaq and iqbal quasim arent even near to the skills of saqlain and quadir. Qadir was only a legend because for most of his career the other teams didnt have any good legspinners, until shane warne came along. But saqlain had to battle it out against murali as the best offspinner in the world, so he wasnt given legend status. For me saqlain achieved more in cricket than qadir, a hattrick for a spinner hadnt been done before. Also he had one of the best strike rates in cricket, getting his wickets better than murali. He was a true legend.

  • chaithan on May 17, 2010, 10:35 GMT

    there should be 2 spinners and my choices would be qadir and saqlain. with only one i have no idea about who it should be. probably saqlain because qadir's bowling depended on his mood and he was quite moody.

  • ianChappellFan on May 17, 2010, 10:14 GMT

    saqlain was best in doi, mushtaq in tests.

    i have been watching cricket since early 80s, and consider Qadir to be a pioneer in terms of reviving leg spin, and as a fan of pak cricket, miandad and qadir really standout for me as true characters, they dont make em like that any more, who would die before surrender on a cricket pitch.

    in terms of pure talent and guile, qadir is miles ahead, of even warne, the variety was second to none (I havent ofcourse seen people like sydney barnes).

    but as far as the results and effect on games if odi plus tests are joint together, mushtaq for me comes at the top.

    saqi was great, introduced doosra, which has a far reaching impact on the game, and most off-spinner today, especially from pak are inspired by saqi's action. but he got nervous if went for runs (i.e. Hobart), bad sign for a spinner.

    Qadir was great, but he was too much of a showman to show variety and hence lost the plot of winning matches sometimes.

  • FIPL on May 17, 2010, 9:46 GMT

    For me it has to be "Saqlain Mushtaq". Qadir, Mushtaq & Kaneria also good, but to me spin is always been an attacking weapon to get you some wickets, taking 5 wickets after coceeding "Conceding" well over 100 runs in test is not a great achivement to me as done by Warne, Murli, Kumble and Kaneria

  • fadooo on May 17, 2010, 9:35 GMT

    Guys this is a Test XI, not a one day XI. You can only select one team, and not change it according to pitch and conditions ! For a test XI, it has to be Qadir...saqlain's test record is pretty ordinary.

  • on May 17, 2010, 9:01 GMT

    Abdul Qadir's best was limited to three outstanding series - Australia 1982, England 1987, West Indies 1986 (all home and all punctuated with inconsistent shows abroad) Mushtaq's best years were from Australia (1995 away) till Zimbabwe (1998) away - almost three years Saqlain was a consisten wicket-taker but really had just one great tour (India 1999 away) Kaneria has been consistent delivering Pakistan some rare wins and bowling some courageous spells despite Kamran Akmal and Pakistani fielding. Iqbal Qasim was steady without being spectacular and had three great matches.

  • on May 17, 2010, 7:41 GMT

    For me it basically comes down between Qadir and Saqlain. Mushy and Kaneria were good but not in the same class, Iqbal Qasim solid rather than spectacular. I will have to go with Saqlain as he was more pentrative than Qadir.

  • SMArshad on May 17, 2010, 7:24 GMT

    At least 2 spinners Qadir & Saqlain should be included

  • meem.alif.suad on May 17, 2010, 7:17 GMT

    My Spinner is Saeed Ajmal Right Arm Offie But Can Move The Ball Either Side Of The Bat

  • JonCampion on May 17, 2010, 7:17 GMT

    As a Sussex boy, it has to be Mushy for me, but I loved watching Saqlain too.

  • S.h.a.d.a.b on May 17, 2010, 7:01 GMT

    it is difficult to select one. If choice is limited then i would like to select Saqlain. i am fortunate to see all of them. Saqlain was better batsman too, and could bowl lots of varities.

  • ShAh00 on May 17, 2010, 6:58 GMT

    With all the Regard to Iqbal Qasim, Saqlain Mushtaq & Mushtaq Ahmed.... to some extent Danish Kaneria......... there is no doubt about their exceptional talent & quality... But I personally feel, when it comes to ALL TIME PAKISTAN XI, The Nation Should Pick up the Legends. The People who played an integral part in Making the Cricket the most Famous Sports for the nation. That is the reason, I picked HANIF MUHAMMAD over MAJID, that is the Reason I Picked FAZAL MAHMOOD over other Fast Bowlers, that is the reason I picked WASIM BARI over the Likes of MOIN/RASHID (I would have picked SALEM YOUSAF, if he was in the list)..... Similarly, this SPOT should go to ABDUL QADIR. He is the reason, the world saw LEG SPIN revive in International Cricket. There is no Doubt about that, if ABDUL QADIR wasnot there, we wouldn't have seen the Likes of Mushtaq Ahmed/Shane Warne/Anil Kumble. So, Deservingly, ABDUL QADIR is my Choice for the Spinners.

  • sameeullah on May 17, 2010, 6:57 GMT

    MY vote for Kaneria.two reasons for that.Qadir,Mushtaq and saqlain had Best captains (IMran + Wasim).i still remeber how much wasim used to support and believe n saqlaian.after wasim saqlain fade away.Second those all had a wolrd class bowling attack.imran,wasim,waqar,shoib (in case of saqlain and mushtaq). i think danish is way better spinner then he have achieved mostly because of bad captaining (inzi,waqar,shoib malik,yousef very mainly defensive) that captain didn't used him on time , did n't gave him field and confidence wat he deserved.after this all he has most wickets as spinner in pakistan thats amazing. i wish he had captain like wasim .he would have been great spinner of all time.

  • Rake1 on May 17, 2010, 6:29 GMT

    How about this Test XI : Saleem Elahi, Shadab Kabir, Mansoor Akhtar, Zahid Fazal, Asif Mujtaba, Manzoor Elahi, Zulqarnain (wk), Akram Raza, Fazl-e-Akbar, Mohammad Akram, Jalal-ud-Din

  • ejsiddiqui on May 17, 2010, 6:06 GMT

    How many spin bowlers have bowled laster over in the presence of Waseem, Waqar and Shoaib Akhtar?

    There is only one name, i.e. Saqlain Mushtaq who stands tall among the best pace attack.

  • on May 17, 2010, 6:02 GMT

    Abdul Qadir will most likely get to be the expert's choice, but in his pomp, Mushtaq Ahmed was second to none. A pure matchwinner, especially on bouncy tracks not found in the subcontinent, he get my vote over Qadir. Danish is unlucky to miss out due to circumstances not entirely in his control - like Kamran Akmal.

  • on May 17, 2010, 5:59 GMT

    I think that the best spinner that i have witnessed for Pakistan and some one who can hold his own in the company of fast men like Wasim, Waqar & Shoaib is Saqlen Mushtaq.

  • Joji_ on May 17, 2010, 5:54 GMT

    both saqlain and abdul qadir should be there. But upss for abdul !! The man was a legend.

  • Supratik on May 17, 2010, 5:43 GMT

    If its only one spinner, it has to be Saqlain - the inventor and the original master of the doosra (sorry it was not Murali). If Mustaq Mohammad is not in the team, then Abdul Qadir should get in. With Imran captaining the side Qadir should be in full bloom. Its a difficult choice though between Saqlain and Qadir.

  • cricket-crazee on May 17, 2010, 5:38 GMT

    My bowling composition will be Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain and Qadir! I dont think there is any need for playing 3 fast bowlers with Imran in as the all-rounder. Saqlain / Qadir combination will be deadly even on fast bouncy pitches given thier world class talent and records, therefore I will go with Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain and Qadir as my bowling arsenal.

  • fouzan on May 17, 2010, 5:26 GMT

    Go for the Magician …….. saqlain

  • DrArshad on May 17, 2010, 5:22 GMT

    Abdul Qadir, no doubt at all.

  • WASEEM.SAJID on May 17, 2010, 5:20 GMT

    If we look at scenario in which Danish has spent his career than we should admit that he is our main weapon since last 8 years or so My Vote goes for him

  • on May 17, 2010, 5:19 GMT

    I agree with Kannan, I believe there are some instances where Pakistan would definately need two spinners, either a leggie and an offie or a leggie and a slow left-armer. In the first case i would choose Qadir and Saqlain and in the second case I'd choose Qadir and Qasim. However considering only one can be chosen, it is very hard to overlook Qadir, just like it is very hard to overlook Imran,Wasim and Waqar for the fast bowling spots. While there were other world class spinners, Qadir was the by far the top of the tree, as he carried the virtually dead art through the eighties, and he had so many variations. He can be very favourably compared to Warne and played for about 15 years in international cricket, more than the others. However one cannot ignore the quality of the others. And even though I'm a hardcore Murali fan I concede that at his peak Saqlain could be more lethal. And the 92 world cup, Mushtaq Ahmed kept Qadir out of the team! I'm surprised that Inthikab isn't there!

  • on May 17, 2010, 5:17 GMT

    When it comes to Test matches with no doubt.. it will be Abdul Qadir..

    But when it comes to ODI's.. surely Saqlain.. leads..

    Anyway my vote goes for Abdul Qadir for Tests & Saqlain for ODI's...

  • on May 17, 2010, 5:07 GMT

    Kaneria must have been robbed of at least 50 test wickets by Kamran Akmal... really its 2 or 3 drop catches a game for Kaneria with Akmal.... but my pick will always be Abdul Qadir, if he is on song.

  • kamranwasti on May 17, 2010, 5:01 GMT

    Mushtaq Ahmad, from late 1995 till early 1998, was the best of the lot - He single-handedly won matches in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England (all away) and against New Zealand and West Indies at home. Other than that he made major contributions before that. This cannot be matched by any of the spinners. Saqlain's crowning glory is his show in India in 1999 when he outbowled Kumble but other good backup support, he rarely won tests singlehandedly. Qadir needed crowd support and was lethal at home but made contributions in just two overseas wins (Lord's 1982, Guyana1988) but because of his aura, the silly experts will rate him no. 1. Iqbal Qasim was basically a roller of the ball and more of a steady bowler apart from his show in Bangalore and twice against Australia in 1980 and 1988. Kaneria will always be stereotyped but with a settled side and with better wicketkeeper, he would have been the best. Very unfortunate. Output wise mid-90s' Mushtaq will always be the best.

  • on May 17, 2010, 4:38 GMT

    yeah.....after thinking a lot...its saqlain to be voted by me.

  • Paki.Fan. on May 17, 2010, 4:19 GMT

    Imran,Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Qadir should be the bowling attack, I think 4 fast bowlers are bit too much

  • Vivek.Bhandari on May 17, 2010, 4:19 GMT

    Nobody is as much deserving as Abdul Qadir...he was so skilled that he could bowl 6 different balls in an over...

  • on May 17, 2010, 4:01 GMT

    You need to only select one spinner, but you are not limited to how many people you can nominate, are you? It would have been nice to at least see Tauseef Ahmed's name in the list! If for nothing else, then for taking the single to get Miandad the strike in THAT match.

  • unchained on May 17, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    ABDUL QUADIR ABDUL QUADIR ABDUL QUADIR

  • asaduzzaman-khan on May 17, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    I like to watch Mushtaq mostly. Amazing!!! But when you think about effectiveness, surely, you have to choose one from Qadir and Saqline. Both deserve to be in best 11. Finally, I am going for Saqline, because he is far ahead from Qadir in ODI, in test, Qadir ahead slightly. Iqbal Qasim and kaneria are also very good. But finally I am going for Saqline (however, I like Mushtaq most)

  • on May 17, 2010, 3:41 GMT

    Team compositions have to change based on the nature of the pitch... a 3 fast bolwers, 1 spinner, 1 all rounder doesn't always cut it... when both imran and wasim can make it into the team as all rounders, it is silly to have only one choice for a spinner. There are some pitches in the sub-continent that deserves guiles of a leggie, an offie and a leftie all performing at the same time... so much for my two cents.

  • on May 17, 2010, 3:20 GMT

    Abdul Qadir is the one. Hands down.

  • on May 17, 2010, 3:17 GMT

    wasn't easy to choose between saqlain and qadir...thought very hard and voted for saqlain in the end....

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  • on May 17, 2010, 3:17 GMT

    wasn't easy to choose between saqlain and qadir...thought very hard and voted for saqlain in the end....

  • on May 17, 2010, 3:20 GMT

    Abdul Qadir is the one. Hands down.

  • on May 17, 2010, 3:41 GMT

    Team compositions have to change based on the nature of the pitch... a 3 fast bolwers, 1 spinner, 1 all rounder doesn't always cut it... when both imran and wasim can make it into the team as all rounders, it is silly to have only one choice for a spinner. There are some pitches in the sub-continent that deserves guiles of a leggie, an offie and a leftie all performing at the same time... so much for my two cents.

  • asaduzzaman-khan on May 17, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    I like to watch Mushtaq mostly. Amazing!!! But when you think about effectiveness, surely, you have to choose one from Qadir and Saqline. Both deserve to be in best 11. Finally, I am going for Saqline, because he is far ahead from Qadir in ODI, in test, Qadir ahead slightly. Iqbal Qasim and kaneria are also very good. But finally I am going for Saqline (however, I like Mushtaq most)

  • unchained on May 17, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    ABDUL QUADIR ABDUL QUADIR ABDUL QUADIR

  • on May 17, 2010, 4:01 GMT

    You need to only select one spinner, but you are not limited to how many people you can nominate, are you? It would have been nice to at least see Tauseef Ahmed's name in the list! If for nothing else, then for taking the single to get Miandad the strike in THAT match.

  • Vivek.Bhandari on May 17, 2010, 4:19 GMT

    Nobody is as much deserving as Abdul Qadir...he was so skilled that he could bowl 6 different balls in an over...

  • Paki.Fan. on May 17, 2010, 4:19 GMT

    Imran,Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Qadir should be the bowling attack, I think 4 fast bowlers are bit too much

  • on May 17, 2010, 4:38 GMT

    yeah.....after thinking a lot...its saqlain to be voted by me.

  • kamranwasti on May 17, 2010, 5:01 GMT

    Mushtaq Ahmad, from late 1995 till early 1998, was the best of the lot - He single-handedly won matches in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England (all away) and against New Zealand and West Indies at home. Other than that he made major contributions before that. This cannot be matched by any of the spinners. Saqlain's crowning glory is his show in India in 1999 when he outbowled Kumble but other good backup support, he rarely won tests singlehandedly. Qadir needed crowd support and was lethal at home but made contributions in just two overseas wins (Lord's 1982, Guyana1988) but because of his aura, the silly experts will rate him no. 1. Iqbal Qasim was basically a roller of the ball and more of a steady bowler apart from his show in Bangalore and twice against Australia in 1980 and 1988. Kaneria will always be stereotyped but with a settled side and with better wicketkeeper, he would have been the best. Very unfortunate. Output wise mid-90s' Mushtaq will always be the best.