The Ashes 2013

T20 cash hits Australian batting - Mark Taylor

Daniel Brettig

April 25, 2013

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David Warner and Shane Watson added 54 runs, India v Australia, 1st Test, Chennai, 1st day, February 22, 2013
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Even as he performed his stage-managed role to add gravitas and happy history to Australia's Ashes squad announcement, the former captain Mark Taylor cut through the mystique to state how Twenty20's easy money had contributed to the national side's poverty of Test match batting options.

Taylor and his successor Steve Waugh were present in Sydney to provide a Cricket Australia-approved reminder that teams past had flown to England with modest billing but returned home as heroes. The spirit of the 1989 Ashes tourists, unfancied almost as much as Michael Clarke's team but ultimately the inflictors of a right royal 4-0 hammering, was invoked as though a holy rite.

But Taylor was blunt in saying the hunger of Australia's cricketers for Tests, particularly their batsmen, had been sapped by the riches on offer in T20, specifically at the IPL currently buzzing across the subcontinent. Frank and clear-eyed as ever, Taylor said no amount of wistful talk about baggy green caps and representing one's country could counter the cash on offer to players prepared to forego their best batting technique in order to chase sixes and switch-hits in India.

"If you look at the IPL and the money that's going around there, that's got to be a big influence I think. As much as they all say 'Test cricket's the No. 1', a million dollars is very distracting," Taylor told ESPNcricinfo. "You look at Glenn Maxwell getting US$1 million to go play in the IPL and he's not even playing. How do you compete with that?

"How do you tell a young player making the next Australian Test team is more important? Knock back an IPL contract and spend two years working on your batting technique to get in for a Test match, and throw away $2 million? It's easier said than done."

 
 
"Knock back an IPL contract and spend two years working on your batting technique to get in for a Test match, and throw away $2 million? It's easier said than done." Mark Taylor
 

There was some disquiet earlier this month when the list of CA contracts omitted numerous Ashes aspirants, partly due to a system that recognises all formats. Taylor said the system had improved a good deal since 1989, or even the late 1990s, when an industrial dispute with the board pushed the players to the brink of a strike. But he still doubted how any national contract could now dissuade a young player from considering the IPL's riches ahead of Test cricket's more archaic sense of loyalty.

"The idea of the contracts system going back to my time was to give players security, and they've now got that," he said. "I think the CA contracts and even the state contracts give players good security, much more than there was back in the 1990s, and that's what should happen.

"But I'm not sure any of these contracts can ever make up for an IPL contract. There's probably no security in the IPL, but if you get a $2 million contract you don't need a lot of security. And that's impossible to compete with."

In 1989, Taylor accumulated no fewer than 839 runs in the six Tests, while Waugh crashed cavalier hundreds at Headingley and Lord's and returned home with a series average well beyond 100. They were hungry young batsmen, offered only the most rudimentary of playing contracts, and still playing at a time when numerous Australian cricketers still held down day jobs.

Notwithstanding the current crop's vastly different financial circumstances, Taylor challenged the batsmen selected other than Clarke to rise above their mediocre records and make the sorts of scores that would make a statement about Australia's intentions, much as he and Waugh had done in Leeds.

"Trent Bridge and Lord's, the first two Tests, are very important," Taylor said. "If you go back to '89 we won at Headingley where no one gave us a chance, then we won at Lord's. All of a sudden you're 2-0 up. If Australia can start something like that, it will start with someone like David Warner or Phil Hughes, or Cowan, or Watson, making 150, a big score.

"At Headingley I made 136, Steve made 177 and AB [Allan Border] made a quickfire 66. It'll start with someone almost out of the blue making a big score and saying 'we're here to compete'. That's what this side needs to do. Look at Warner, Watson, Cowan, Hughes. Four opening batsmen really, they're all averaging in the 30s. That won't get it done. One or two of them over there have got to average 70 in this series or more."

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Posted by   on (April 30, 2013, 3:14 GMT)

With all the negative aspects of IPL and 20/20 cricket being highlighted, one has to wonder what the state of cricket would be like if the career opportunities of IPL and 20/20 cricket didnt exist along with the greatly expanded supporter base and talent pool that the shorter format has created. In Australia at least there is a virtual Galaxy of different sports from which to choose for any young sporting aspirant. If representation in the highly exclusive national test and one day sides were the only avenue available for a young cricketer to achieve fame and fortune then many would despair of choosing cricket over AFL, rugby league/union or soccer in the first place. The flowering of new opportunities created by adopting a club/ franchise model provides the necessary lure to the game of cricket as a whole both for this current generation and future generations.Test cricket however will never be replaced in the minds of true cricket lovers amongst both players and spectators.

Posted by AKS286 on (April 29, 2013, 9:00 GMT)

popcorn on (April 29, 2013, 0:22 GMT) As you said Fella "David Warner and Shane Watson and James Faulkner and Glenn Maxwell who may score heavily in Million Dollar IPL matches ,but fail in Test matches". Yes off course requirement for test cricket is Technique, Temperament & Fitness. Playing 90 min vs 5 day is equal fella? Before t20 Test & Odi will the squad are same? Test cricket is not for all thats why it is called real cricket challenge. most of you just think is M.Taylor & N.Hussain deserves ODI selection as well as Captain?- Honestly tell me.

Posted by popcorn on (April 29, 2013, 0:22 GMT)

Very subtly, without making an open statement,the Selectors should announce,"We will take into consideration "Test - match Ready"cricketers who have played MORE 4 day Shield Games and Australia A games while selecting our Squad for 5 day Test Matches."THIS will send the message across that we do not want players like David Warner and Shane Watson and James Faulkner and Glenn Maxwel lwho may score heavily in Million Dollar IPL matches ,but fail in Test matches. The GHOST of Doug Bollinger declared unfit on the very last afternoon of the Mohali Test, which we would have won had he been fit because he he was bowling very well in the morning, will continue to haunt us. You will recall that Doug Bollinger and Mike Hussey returned to join the Test Squad in India just 4 days after playing the Champions League T20 Tournament in South Africa.Mike Hussey is an exception because he is ALWAYS FIT for Test Cricket. Remember he got into the Test side after 10,000 first class runs in Shield Cricket.

Posted by   on (April 28, 2013, 22:22 GMT)

In Reply to Mr Crickets comments, if you have been looking at the Indian cricket team over the last 10 years you will see that IPL is eroding into their game. Despite the 4-0 win over Australia ( abiet on turning dust bowls ) they have the opportunity of picking cricketers out of at least 50 million players. I know that figure sounds diabolical but it's true. Most of those cricketers are from very poor areas and those players will do anything to get out of their situation. England is smart not allowing their test players to play in the IPL, but I guarantee they are not suffering financially. I personally think that the Australian players should be allowed to play once in the IPL then after that it's back to Australian duties. That way they can say thye have been there and grabbed some money, but come back to reality which is winning both Test Matches and Test Series,

Posted by TenDonebyaShooter on (April 28, 2013, 16:12 GMT)

I've plenty of respect for Mark Taylor, but I think his analysis is flawed. Granted England have none of their test players in the IPL, so the comparison seems to make sense, but look at the teams who are overtaking Australia, such as India and South Africa. They have plenty of players in the IPL; so why isn't their performance in test cricket adversely affected the same way? People were saying the same about one-day cricket in the 1970s and 1980s, that it was adversely affecting particular countries' performance in tests (England was a prime example of a country this point was made about), but all teams were involved. The question of whether players learn and profit from other forms of the game or allow it to distract them is down to the fundamentals of their abilities, professionalism, and their successful management by administrators. These are and have always been what dictates team fortunes in test cricket, and the real distraction comes from misleading analysis to the contrary

Posted by Ozcricketwriter on (April 28, 2013, 14:15 GMT)

@Meety - there is no problem picking Hughes. As you say, he was averaging 60. There was no problem taking him to England in 2009, as he was in great form. And they also did the right thing dumping him half way through the season. The real problem is bringing him back. He has averaged barely over 20 since being brought back, and now, on top of England exposing flaws in his technique, so too have New Zealand and India. The only two sides that he has done well against are South Africa and Sri Lanka - take them out of the equation and his test average is 18!!!

Posted by wellrounded87 on (April 28, 2013, 11:03 GMT)

While the IPL certainly doesn't help things, our batting drought has more to do with our domestic cricket setup and our completely incompetent selection panel. First off if a player is scoring runs consistently pick him. Brad Hodge, Chris Rogers, Phil Jacques, Dave Hussey, etc etc. Second if a player isn't scoring runs but looks promising, don't pick him till he develops into a run score.

Next thing, stop doctoring pitches for results. All pitches should be test match quality as in plenty for the seamers and swingers early flatten out a bit and help the batsmen then crack and turn late on day 4 and on day 5.

This will expose our batsmen to all manner of conditions and help fix our spin problem. At the moment our domestic competition is set on fast bowlers and batsmen averaging high 30's to mid 40's with high strike rates. It might produce a lot of fast bowlers, but that's it. It takes more than good quicks to be a champion side we need the whole package.

Posted by SG_Styles on (April 27, 2013, 5:25 GMT)

Quite ridiculous blaming the IPL for all f Ur deficits in producing quality test players. If a player is actually good n talented enough, he wont find it difficullt to adjust with all the formats f d game. A league spanning jus over a month cant affect ur technique which comes from hardwork of decade. AB, Steyn, KP, Kohli are good ex f this. C'mon Taylor, with due respect to all ur experience n knowledge, I still totally disagree with wot U've said. U n all other Aussies must admit that Australia Cricket is now going through a slump in quality. Rather than blaming d IPL n its money, a focus shud b given on nurturing talents across d large country f urs. Also, dont forget dat there's anothet t20 league named 'Big Bash' is conducted there down-under. Wots abt it ? Is it doing something different than IPL. God bless Australia n God bless all d haters f India n IPL.

Posted by   on (April 27, 2013, 2:15 GMT)

I do agree with most of what is written up here, but one thing I would like to agree with Mary_786 is the system in place for the youth. Everyone keeps blaming T20 leagues for ruining the thought process of a young mind, but what have we got in place in the youth before the big levels? And as for technique goes, there heaps of players world wide who have proven to us that they can be brilliant and text book test players and at the same time be completely devastating in T20. The main thing i question in this on-going (since T20 started) argument is that if the player choses playing for these leagues its fine but if they give it preference over representing their respective country, then I do not think they deserve to be given a chance to be a part of an elite club which is Test cricket.

Posted by   on (April 26, 2013, 23:11 GMT)

Australian cricket administrators are negligent in their handling of the 20/20 issue. It is indeed ruining the performances of Australian batsmen and bowlers, but the solution is there for all to see.

Simply treat Tests and 20/20 cricket as different games. Just like rugby union and rugby league are. Apply a rule where if you play a 20/20 match for your country you can't be selected for a test team (or vice versa) for say 12 months.That way players will have to choose which form of the game they want to play, and prepare appropriately for it.

The administrators would have to ensure that the players would be commensurately compensated whatever form of the game they chose.

Forget the "restraint of trade" arguments people will deliver to refute the above. That response is garbage.

The above system does have shortcomings, for example how do you select 50 over teams, that would need to be worked through, but it has to be better for the purest form of the game for Australian cricket.

Posted by AKS286 on (April 26, 2013, 18:11 GMT)

Ok Batting is poor due to IPL and your bowling is good so credit goes to IPL?

Posted by guptahitesh4u on (April 26, 2013, 12:30 GMT)

Wait for few more years and you will see that all teams are having the same problem...Currently Taylor has talked about batsmen but I am sure, the quality bowlers will reduce in subsequent years as well... England and SA seems to be untouched with this so far ..but that will also change in a couple of years

Posted by Meety on (April 26, 2013, 10:22 GMT)

@Ozcricketwriter on (April 26, 2013, 3:21 GMT) - I agree that there were some (maybe quite a bit more than someactually), terrible decisions in the Hilditch era. I just take issue with your comment about Hughes though, he was averaging around 60 when he was picked for Oz. That decison was a good one, the decision to drop him after 2 tests in England was poor. I think that our problem is twofold, we have some talent that has come thru - like S Marsh, Ferguson & White - that haven't quite reached the heights you'd expect, & then the new funnell that is coming thru - with very having the temperment to bat long. 20/20 definately has something to do with the last issue & has a bit to do with the first issue IMO. @mehulmatrix on (April 26, 2013, 4:04 GMT) - blaming the IPL is a bit of a one size fits all excuse. That said it does cause problems, but it is 20/20 as a whole that causes it. The BBL had to be introduced as there are 20/20 W/Cups played & we want to win it.

Posted by Meety on (April 26, 2013, 10:14 GMT)

@ygkd on (April 26, 2013, 9:07 GMT) - I agree re: Maddinson. He looked the goods early on, but his best inning since then have been punchy knocks including big 6s. I don't think he has progressed as much as someone like Burns - who early in the season was being used as an opener by QLD. Whilst I am happy for Cric Oz to hire Hick to teach batsmen to occupy the crease for longer periods, I think the best way to get batsmen batting longer is in game time (I think you've said that before too). To me the perfect vehicle for this is in the Futures League. Beef the comp up, even make it run year long, whatever it takes, but use the County scoring system with bonus points for batting, no time limits - so a 3-day could see an innings go into the 3rd day. While they are at - an emphasis on pitches that are helpful to spinners would be good too.

Posted by ygkd on (April 26, 2013, 9:07 GMT)

Mary_786 must have different eyes to mine. When I look at Nic Maddinson I see someone who is already too far down the short-form route for my liking, and he's just a whipper-snapper. That's not necessarily his fault - there is just so much one-day and T20 stuff at U15, U17 & U19 level. Teenagers today grow up on the stuff. Taylor is right. Long-form Australian batsmen, especially openers, are an endangered species unless something is done soon.

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (April 26, 2013, 8:01 GMT)

Here come the usual aussie whinging & excuses. Dont take it to hard boys, were just better than you in every aspect, thats all.

Posted by Cricket_Man on (April 26, 2013, 7:32 GMT)

@Rohit Ramesh; Only De villiers and Kohli are the two names from your long list who can be considered as solid young batsmen. Others haven't proved their credentials on a long-term, consistent basis, specially in matches away from home. I agree with Mark Taylor on this one. IPL is tempting cricketers to play more aggressive cricket rather than focused cricket, one that requires patience. It is all the more tough for players of this era to adjust themselves from one format to another. Players should be passionate about their game. They should have that hunger to just score and score. The talent is there but they lack the attitude. Watson 3 to 4 years ago was just too good with the bat but now after scoring 20's and 30's he throws his wicket away because he lacks the hunger and passion.

Posted by yasserrizwan on (April 26, 2013, 7:22 GMT)

@Rohit Ramesh - Mark has a point here. I would gladly buy AB, Du Plessis as good batsmen but don't ignore the cushion they get from Amla, Kallis at the top. Remove them from line up, It 'll be a different game altogether. Frankly, Chandimal, Pareras & Thirimanne have done nothing to be accorded similar respect as anyone else. And you can see impact of scarcity in batting depth in SL team, doesn't matter where that stems from, in the way they lost Cardiff test in England last year. Their lineup majorly revolves around Sanga, Mahela who have built reputation playing for SCCs, NDCCs, Warwickshires & not some daredevils or chargers. On similar lines, don't give a clean chit to this Indian team. Let them go to play in South Africa this year and England next year. One shining point against depleted Australian team which can't handle part time spinners must not be taken as riddance of all woes. Whitewashes in Eng & Aus were reminders which must not be forgotten in temporary glitter of IPL.

Posted by AKS286 on (April 26, 2013, 7:21 GMT)

Mr.Taylor your selectors select maxwell, warner, faulkner, wade, on the basis of t20 & lyon selection is baseless & enigma.

Posted by mehulmatrix on (April 26, 2013, 4:04 GMT)

Personally, even i have reservations about IPL. But it seems blaming the IPL has become a cliche. Out of the australian top order, only warner, watson and clarke are active or taken part in IPL.Ok if there is IPL, then why did CA introduce BBL? Or why let their domestic teams participate in CLT20? Seems a paradox. Also Warner is a player how has graduated from T2O to ODI and then to test team, which many(including me) might have thought not possible. Also CA themselves always have this 'brave' policy of blooding young player have not given due respect to few experienced players. Hodge made a 200 and was dropped. Katich dropped for a not very bad series. M Hussey was sort of fearful of him being dropped so retired. D Hussey i think didn't get deserved chances.Of course players will then turn to IPL for financial security.Even many spinners have not bee given confidence in the musical chairs. If CA doesn't have faith in players, i don't think they can expect them to be faithful.

Posted by Ozcricketwriter on (April 26, 2013, 3:21 GMT)

This is quite simply wrong. The true reason that our batting is in disarray is bad selections. While 3 batsmen with 50+ FC averages in Chris Rogers, David Hussey and Brad Hodge were sitting on the sidelines, we picked Marcus North, Shaun Marsh and Phil Hughes - and kept picking them even after they were failing. A hunch is one thing but to persist with a hunch that isn't working at the expense of quality players who never even got a chance is absurd. That is why Australian batsmen are struggling. Because the best ones aren't being picked! And the talent coming through, like David Warner and Shane Watson, who should be in the team, don't have solid batsmen to look up to. It has nothing to do with T20 cricket.

Posted by the_flying_squad on (April 26, 2013, 1:55 GMT)

I believe the rot commenced 15 years or so ago when, during the era of Ponting, Gilchrist etc and run rates of 4.5 an over in Test matches, junior coaches became intolerant of batsman who scored slowly. Some of the best young juniors I ever saw were lost to cricket after bad coaches would bat them at 7 [basically hiding them] in an effort to promote rapid run scorers. The impact of this meant most solid batsman with good techniques [and similar to how M.Hussey and Langer batted as juniors] were not enjoying the game and eventually left it. Too many loose but aggressive batsman were promoted to representative squads purely because they could score 50 off 60 balls. I'd much prefer a 100 off 250 balls.

Posted by Teej_onlycricket on (April 26, 2013, 0:50 GMT)

Hi Mark, Australia is currently short of good resource pool, you can't seem to find young players destined to be great with a twinkle in their eyes and you have to wait it out. Most of us are shocked by the selection of some of the test players over some obvious talented ones. Does it come down to people skills and how well the player gets along with the board? I am angry, how could the selectors be so dense! The challenge here for you is to investigate the selection process at a very granular level player by player. It's been bitterly disappointing to see current players selected at the test level, I am not going to jump the gun and blame "IPL" please. There is no analysis behind your statement; also it shows signs of weakness and disbelief before the Ashes tour.

I am not a big fan of IPL, however it did discover and showcase some good players like Shaun Marsh,Sunil Naraine,Faf Du Plessis,Kevon Cooper,Manish Pandey and more. Current players are not good for a test Challenge. Cheers.

Posted by Meety on (April 25, 2013, 22:24 GMT)

The reality is that some countries are more exposed in the short term than other countries. Oz & India are very exposed as their great batsmen that pre-dated the 20/20 explosion are almost gone. Sth Africa & England are underpinned by batsmen that came on the FC BEFORE the IPL. IMO - that is a short term advantage. SL have 3 great Test batsmen still available, but they are near retirement, the youngsters that will replace are talented, (but Oz & India have talented batsmen), but they don't really seem to be able to make big scores. Same goes in the WIndies with Chanderpaul. Once the likes of KP, Smith, Sanga, Maheela, Kallis & Trott & Bell retire in the next 5 yrs, I think we'll see a Test world where quality bowling rules, this is unless countries find a way to reward, patience & application & where a high price for their wicket is installed into young batsmen on the way thru!

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 21:07 GMT)

Mark Taylor is wrong to blame the IPL for the dearth in Australian batting stocks. You look at the Australian players who are playing in the IPL -- the likes of Glenn Maxwell, Aaron Finch, etc were never Test batsmen anyway. You can't consider them to be a loss to Test cricket. The people who have made runs in Shield cricket in the past, like Usman Khawaja, are not playing in the IPL.

Posted by sitaram58 on (April 25, 2013, 20:13 GMT)

The IPL will be the only game in town in 5 years. Aussie, South Africa, English, West Indian and South African cricket will be the feeder system AKA the minor leagues.

Posted by sitaram58 on (April 25, 2013, 20:09 GMT)

What's all this "can't walk away from a $1 million". I thought the baggy green, playing for country, the ashes was much more than money - but you can give em to the birds and bees - give me money, that's all I want!!!!! and it's not just the batsmen Darzi Bhai its the bowlers too - Ryan Harris.

Posted by ZCFOutkast on (April 25, 2013, 19:37 GMT)

Has it occurred to you Aussies that despite the madness, it is still possible to field a good side if you make the right adjustments? chris rogers, phil jacques, ed cowan, phil hughes, michael clarke, warner/watson, brad haddin(wk), mitchel starc, james pattinson, siddle/bird, nathan lyon.

Phil Jacques along with his fragile back, if borrowed from his Yorkshire contract for the two series will provide a better option than any of the openers whose names are tossed about. He hasn't been affected by the IPL, neither have Rogers, Cowan & Hughes. Never go in without your spinner, but Watson can be reserved for a lower order role regardless of his 30avg, and his occasional seamers will never fail you in English conditions. Him & Warner can take turns to smash the tiring English into submission from #6.

By the way, for all the talk about India keeping the octogenarians for too long, how on earth did you guys fail to plan for the two phases of retirement(2007&2012)? Fire someone again!

Posted by Rick777 on (April 25, 2013, 19:03 GMT)

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Posted by AKS286 on (April 25, 2013, 18:51 GMT)

@Blueangle on (April 25, 2013, 14:55 GMT) SA is No.1 due to African Deadly Barrage (Steyn, Morkel, Phil, Tsotsobe, De Lange) 100 % agree. The Captain & VC of deadly barrage are with SRHyderabad & DElhi DD. About batting Kallis, Amla, AB, Smith, FaF, are where? and you said with their bowling they defend their total- who makes total Fella? My knowledge said that Cricket is a game where batting & bowling takes place. The team who balances it well get the NO.1 position. England deserves No.2 position. and also answer why NZ. WI, Pak are affected? they suffered poor performance before IPL.IPL provide platform to S.Naraine & K.Cooper to show their talent which was not known to the World.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 17:31 GMT)

Make test matches more exciting. Have a final timelless test match to decide drawn series. Give incentives to players and fans to come to matches. For example, batsmen scoring double centuries get a cash amount, donated by a coorporate sponsor, to a charity of his choice. Fans could win seats for two in a coorporate booth by winning a cricket quiz.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 17:30 GMT)

Only change is the constant does these views really matters ?

Posted by ARad on (April 25, 2013, 16:52 GMT)

IPL has the potential to affect young batsmen but, after looking at the details, one has to conclude that Taylor doth protest too much. Among the current Aussie batsmen, only Warner and Watson are IPL regulars (since you cannot make too many assumptions about bits and pieces players like Maxwell and Smith yet.) Warner started out as a T20 specialist but that appears to be his natural style of batting. Watson could be the only player who may have been affected by IPL.

Posted by cricket-india on (April 25, 2013, 16:30 GMT)

how about looking in ur own backyard (BBL), mark taylor? anyway, have u stopped to think why only the oz bating has become so weak because of T20s? how are india, south africa, england still producoing the likes of kohli, faf, root, etc?

Posted by sarangsrk on (April 25, 2013, 16:24 GMT)

@Rohit Ramesh..absolutely 100% agree with you. All the youngsters that you named grew up watching tests, there was no IPL then. So their technique,patience were for tests.Not everyone gets million dollars in IPL and not everyone succeeds either. You still need some talent to succeed and average players don't succeed in IPL too. If this statement from Taylor is backed by CA, its the most ridiculous irony.CA themselves changed BBL to induce more glamour. When India toured in 2011-12, there was no 4 day game for entire 2 months of summer, only BBL was being played. @ Brendan and @Sajid Hameed, Agree with you completely. Players like Phil Hughers, Haddin should not be part of Aus test team.

Posted by Blueangle on (April 25, 2013, 14:55 GMT)

Many indian fans are citing SA as example to prove their point that batting is not affected by T20. Remember! SA is #1 because their bowling attack is so strong that they can defend any total, not so much because of their batting. Their batting have collapsed so many times recently and every time their bowlers rescued the ship and snatched the victory from the jaws of defeat. Mark Taylor is spot on. if you can make millions by slamming banging club level bowlers for two hours, why would you bother to sweat for 5 days under scorching sun. I am glad England got rid of their t20 tournament and hopefully Australia and other countries will do the same....

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 14:35 GMT)

Well Said MT.....there are many positives and negatives for the Players as well as for the teams....Many teams got STAR players thru T20 but as we all know Test Cricket is the real cricket the real player is one who has persistence and fortitude. James Folkner is in Ashes Squad now and he is playing tremendously in IPL. No one noticed him as closely as people are noticing him now. Even If MT says this they have long batting line up. Brad Hodge, Phil Jacques, Roher, they are the players who are playing amazingly round the globe but still out of the CA contract.

Posted by cricket-india on (April 25, 2013, 14:29 GMT)

taylor's point is taken byt the oz selectors have also screwed up by considering ODI performances for filling test slots; how else did stev smith etc play the india series? why did usman khwaja never get a game? what's the incentive for khwaja to continue warming the test bench when shaun marsh gets a test berth as well?

Posted by InnocentGuy on (April 25, 2013, 14:25 GMT)

Here's my 2 cents. A player doesn't get a million dollars unless he has proved himself valuable elsewhere, either a domestic T20 competition, or an ODI, or somewhere. If a player is able to prove himself to be worthy of a $1 million IPL contract, I guess it is pretty safe to assume he is good enough to be groomed into a quality Test player. In other words, all it takes is for the national committee to take extra care of those players and put the resources in to groom the player when he isn't playing the IPL. As for the rest, they are probably never going to make it to the national Test team anyway, so there's no harm in 'losing' them to the IPL - let them at least make a living for themselves.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 14:04 GMT)

blaming IPL is to take easy way out,SA has most of their top test players playing in IPL and they also plays less test cricket compared to Aus yet SA is performing so well,look at kallis who's a regular in IPL and plays all matches yet it did'nt ruined his test batting,same with ABD etc...

Posted by Wealwayslosethecricket on (April 25, 2013, 14:03 GMT)

It's about time this was brought up in my opinion. When the Ashes squad was announced recently, I was pleased to hear that Smith and Maxwell had been dropped, and players like Rogers, Hughes and in particular Haddin had been selected. It's a wake up call for the whole country- you cannot expect a spot in the test side because of good results in T20 or even One Day Cricket. The state Sheffield Shield sides need to recognize this, and pick long term test cricketers over exciting short term players. If players are picking T20 cricket as a priority, it will be a lot harder to develop the experience and technique required to grind out a gruelling, tense Ashes series in English conditions. So the solution, clearly, is to pick players who prioritize test cricket over T20 cricket for the test team, and if that means we have an entirely different limited overs side, so be it. I know what I'd rather watch.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 14:03 GMT)

Give it up, Mark Taylor, as a former Captain, you know in your own heart, Haddin, Harris, and Hughes, are either not good enough, or past it. Peter Siddle, should be the Aussie Vice-Captain, Hughe`s, should never play for Australia again, and statistically, Wade, is a far more accomplished keeper than Haddin. While Ryan Harris, will break down, we all know he will. Michael Clarke should not have any influence at the selection table, Philip Hughes, and Brad Haddin, his best mates, are not bloody good enough.

Posted by Yes.Valkyries on (April 25, 2013, 14:00 GMT)

Mary_786 on (April 25, 2013, 8:27 GMT) You talk in the context of Aus not the whole world. As you say batsmen focuses on T20 -- Aus is poor in T20 also. and about technique your players are facing problems not the whole world. Khawaja & cowan is good enough to represent club as well as Aus. and also you say Good points from taylor no mate that shows the attitude of blaming instead of accepting our failure, poor points from taylor that reflects finding excuses.

Posted by DwightR on (April 25, 2013, 13:58 GMT)

Taylor is right that you can't compete with a million dollar contract thrown in your face..but why should they? cricketers are world class atlethes in a multi billion dollar industry and should be paid as such, it helps attract people to the sport.

In sayin that, IPL has nothing to do with the slide of CA. Taylor is stuck in the past when the Australia of his era was the greatest side on the planet and simply unbeatable. They were a different breed then, and Micheal Clarke is the only player on the current roster cut from the same mold, besides him Watson/Warner are the only elite players on the current roster...its not the IPL thats killing Aus batting..its the fact that Aus is in a bit of a rebuild with a whole new crop of players coming up.

Test cricket is a game of the past and people are struggling to come to terms with that cause we are naturally afraid of change. the reality is...T20 is for the modern world and noone outside the retired and unemployed has time for tests...

Posted by Yes.Valkyries on (April 25, 2013, 13:51 GMT)

When S.Marsh Celebrating his 33,34,35th B'Day then Oz fans tell whole world bring s.Marsh in the team some intellectual will say he is in 34 and not be the future prospect we loss a talent just like Hodge. Some fans since last Ashes continuously starts their comment from khawaja & end up with khawaja. khawaja is the evidence of 90 degree downfall of Aus domestic batting pool. MJ is the best bowler in all format.after the loss in Ashes'13 Aus will gonna fare-well haddin VC is a reward before retirement.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 13:51 GMT)

It's not so much T20 itself, more the choppy, changey nature of the Australian summer these days. T20 sucks. It exists to prop up test cricket as it provides it with the capital required. What's the point of having one-dayers then?

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 13:31 GMT)

i totally agree. the way young players are thrown out in the ipl make their techniques weaker for tests. ipl and t20 should be played only among the vast experience players aged over 30s. sanga jayawardene steyn dhoni...these are the players that can perform in all 3 formats because of their experience. but there are some young players who are just in their embroynic stage in cricket. these players get affected by t20s. all of u guys knowt this. dnt u?/

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 13:26 GMT)

australian selector are not selecting team in right way. pick player who are performing, bring back such player who are waiting for another chance to make their country proud. australia got so many good player but noone is getting chance. where is brad hodge, david hussey even brad haddin who is performing good, australia got so many fast bowler in world, and if you need spinner then go and watch local game where we can see lot of good spinner than lyon.

Posted by AKS286 on (April 25, 2013, 13:18 GMT)

Very easy job to blame others and very tough to accept failures. SA,SL,ENG,NZ,WI never blamed IPL. IPL & Spin Pitch is getting old excuses now. Eng's domestic players played BPL too. M.Taylor if IPL was in your era will you participate?- It matters that you are the worst ODI player.

Posted by hhillbumper on (April 25, 2013, 13:15 GMT)

this is a bit like comparing five a side football to full game.It is still basically the same game but different skills are needed and it is all a bit frenetic and artless.much like the aussie batting really

Posted by bobbo2 on (April 25, 2013, 13:01 GMT)

Doesn't seem to be affecting other nations as badly so it's not just t20 cricket.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 12:45 GMT)

Why IPL has to be blamed for everything. Doesnt Aus have big bash?

Posted by ODOM1 on (April 25, 2013, 12:43 GMT)

It is time that players, board and fans realise that this form of the game has revolutionize the sport for the better. Compare the no. of telivision viewers of IPL and Champions Leaque against the ashes. ALSO there are more Man U and Chealsea fans accross the world than there are English football fans, point is people are now identifying with KKR and RCB worldwide, imagine these teams have fans in Grenada, USA, Africa where probably India, Austrailia or England cricket team would not. My dream is just as Chealsea would play Barcalona in UEFA, RCB will meet Sydney Sixers. THATS THE WAY ITS GOING, GET WITH IT.

Posted by Flash_hard27 on (April 25, 2013, 12:42 GMT)

For those writing in and saying "look at Kallis, look at de Villiers, look at Dravid, etc etc, they are successful in both test cricket and T20 cricket" you are missing the point of the article completely. They are OLD players, well established in their test sides, of course their batting technique is sound. They were brought up and learnt how to build an innings when the ball is moving around, to bat time until the bowlers are tired. Young players will not learn these skill if they only play T20 cricket. Australia are feeling this pain now but it will come to all nations if young cricket aspire to an IPL contract and nothing else.

Posted by Anubhav-the-Experience on (April 25, 2013, 12:28 GMT)

I do not like T20and hence don't watch it as well but still its such a stupid argument that you can only feel pity about its author. Does the same thing happen with Football. The professional or anyone else should have all the opportunity to earn the best for his trade. Do you expect T20 to get affected by falling levels of batting in tests. And when we talk about Tests, we should realize that in modern times its the majority consumer who will decide the future of any sports, its inevitable..Just by forcing only one statement again and again, you cannot make people to avoid their work and sit home and watch tests...even thought this what I would love to do. Tests are a waste of time but I love them sooooo much...It might slowly become extinct and we might have to live with that..People want things to happen faster and complete faster..We have to reach Moon and beyond, we do not have time..their are no places for panzies.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 12:27 GMT)

This is dejavu all over again ;)

Didn't we hear similar arguments in the early 80s when one day cricket was in its formative years?

Quality players have everything.. money.. test career... technique.. (Like de Villiers, Kohli, Clark, even Watson, Ross Taylor, Gayle, Mohammad Hafeez, Kevin Peterson, Ian Bell, Matt Prior etc etc). Its the marginal players who may feel that they would rather be a an T20 specialist than strive to be a below par test player.

Happens in working life all the time.. bankers make big money.. so some of the bright ppl may wanna be bankers but does not mean we dont get our steady supply of bright scientists, teachers, etc

To Taylor I would say your aussie system appears broken.. accountability has disappeared.. better fix that! Dont look for bogeyman

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 12:11 GMT)

One only has to watch the way the Bangladesh team is batting in this series in Zim'. The Bangla Bash or whatever it is they have there as the T20 has ruined any technique they ever had as a 'Test Nation'. The ICC should say "enough is enough" as they have pumped millions in Bangla' cricket and as we are seeing in Harare it is to no avail.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 11:57 GMT)

Taylor is spot on. There is no equivalent time in Australian Cricket history when the batting pool has been so empty. The lean times between 1977 and 1989 occurred because of WSC and the Sth African rebel tours. It is true that South Africa and India are producing quality young batsmen. But possibly the coaching at youth level is different. In Australia Premier Clubs play T20 for Premiership points and elite young batsman are coached to free their front leg and belt the ball before they have nailed the fundamentals of correct technique and the concentration required to bat three hours or more. If players need T20 for the money then at least let them build a batting foundation first. Beware you lovers of flames, dancing girls and one paced schlog fests, the death of Test cricket would finish your game in 5-10 years. Who will want to watch a series of nameless cricketing nobodies whose only claim to fame is that they can make 25 in 15 balls every night? That is a boring doomed sport.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 11:51 GMT)

well its more to do with the lack of quality and depth in aussie domestic cricket ... FAF is one perfect example of how to adopt different batting methods and technique to different formats , he is all bang bang in ipl and t20 cricket whereas when it comes to test cricket he is rock solid in defense and plays totally in a different way ....

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 11:38 GMT)

Regarding Maxwell, the point Taylor's making is that he's being paid a million to sit on the bench. He's basically being paid to go on holiday and watch the cricket. How can anyone realistically hope to counter that sort of deal?

Posted by 2nd_Slip on (April 25, 2013, 11:37 GMT)

Yes to a certain extent Tayler is right about T20 cricket hampering the development of young test quality batsmen but before an australian starts bad mouthing the IPl and blaming it for their now mediocre team I think it would be fair if they were to start blaming their Big Bash League first and limit the number of games, maybe, to be played by young potential test quality players. With that said one may argue blindly and say Cook, Amla and Clarke are not partaking in the IPL thus their good form of late in the test arena. I on the other hand, say the best bowler of the past decade, Steyn has played IPL cricket and yet still out performs the likes of Anderson and Siddle by living day light. AB de Villiers and Morne Morkel have also played a lot of IPL cricket but yet still out perform the likes of Prior and Braod who dont partake in the IPL madness. SA the #1 test side has quite a lot of ILP players in their side. Point being Aus just doesnt have test quality talent at the moment!!

Posted by Mervo on (April 25, 2013, 11:36 GMT)

The T20 IPL, Big Bash, XYZ, etc., are destroying the cricket tradition as much as players techniques. It is all about a venue for the gamblers, peddled to the masses as a compensation. How else can they pay Maxwell, a third class cricketer as best, that kind of silly money. That's not how cricket was established and flourished for many years. I guess with so much of the meaningless T20 stuff around the pressure on fixing in Test cricket is reduced. T20 is like many things in life, it is over before you know it and when it is, you can't even remember it.

Posted by Rambo2008 on (April 25, 2013, 11:36 GMT)

Well the game is changing, from being a sport where you need to give the first 30yrs of your life making little money and having a unsure future for your family, its changing into a full fledged profession where you have rewards for good talent. It's like stopping smart kids, who've worked hard all their lives to get into top institutes like Harvard or Wharton, from taking up corporate jobs and asking them all to take up social service. Has never happened, and wont happen either. ICC needs to learn from what happened in West Indies when people became more interested in other more lucrative sports, if they don't act Test Cricket will most certainly die mostly because of it being far less interesting than T-20 cricket. Sooner the ICC realize it, the better. Test cricket needs to the the Olympics or the Grand Slam equivalent of cricket, and there needs to be fewer more meaningful matches. 10 Ashes tests in 2 yrs is pointless really.

Posted by Charlie101 on (April 25, 2013, 11:25 GMT)

Whilst Taylor's comments are true that the IPL is damaging the Tests there are still players in the IPL like Dravid and Kallis playing straight and hitting the ball thru gaps along the ground and scoring plenty of runs . It does not have to be switch hits all the time

Posted by latecut_04 on (April 25, 2013, 11:25 GMT)

@Stormy16--''Blunt reality folks and what's more it's we the fans who demanded this, not the players. If we didnt watch the IPL and wateched test cricket things would be different'' BRILLIANTLY STATED.but i think you are an Aussie and IPL is not much followed there.But here in India ONLY batting is patronised.(by majority).For the majority watching a six being hit is 1000 times better than watching a yorker castling the batsman's stumps.I think that is the casemostly all over Asia.Sadly majority in India amounts to much much much more than almost entire other cricket playing nations' fans.

Posted by Jayco on (April 25, 2013, 11:19 GMT)

One thing worth remembering about a player like Maxwell being on the bench in the IPL, is that at least he is presumably learning something about batting in dusty, spinning Indian pitches from Indian batting coaches. In this respect, there could be some benefit on young Australian development and batting technique for the future

Posted by Sarlana on (April 25, 2013, 11:12 GMT)

I dont agree his comment on maxwell, he performed well in T20's that why he got big contract, it's his skill in T20.

I agree that practice makes better for batsmen skill but still why should they agree for the money which is getting easily.

Posted by Romenevans on (April 25, 2013, 11:11 GMT)

Then how AB develiers play those amazingly creative shots in T20 and then the moment he enter the Test arena, he adapt and start scoring heavily there too? Look at Faf Du Plesis, He re-invented himself playing in IPL and now a stable part of SA's Test team. Its all within you, make money in IPL and then carry on to do well in Tests.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 10:59 GMT)

The only thing, which is permanent in life is "CHANGE". Mr. Taylor thinks that test cricket is the ultimate!!! Let us find out answer to this question after 10 years!!!! Further, Test Cricket, T20, Football, Hockey, etc. are all games played for entertainment, how anybody on earth can say that one is better than other??? It is not the players, who decide the weight of play, it is only the audience, who decide what is required!!!!! Yes, we can make ourselves fool by keeping such notions that test cricket is best! Test Cricket is like parent, it has to die some day to make space for the off-springs to expand and grow!!!!

Posted by maddy20 on (April 25, 2013, 10:51 GMT)

You send players like Doherthy,Lyon who can hardly spin the ball. You ignore players like Brad Haddin, Khawaja and Rogers despite of strong domestic perfomances. Then you cripple the side even further for not doing their homework(It kind of reminded me of my primary school life where those who did not do their homework had to stand out of the class). More than their batting Aus should be more worried about their spin bowling contingent. Swann will outbowl either of the Aussie bowlers any given day and I would not be surprised if they throw Panesar into the mix. Secondly Ipl has clearly improved overseas batsmens' technique vs spin. If you have played 128 overs of spin, you certainly would have learnt something. When you get out to a spinner you will go back, introspect and try to do better next time. Steve Smith is a perfect example. But you drop him for Ashes saying you dont need batsmen who play spin. Can't Steve Smith play fast bowlin having played in Aus.Why cripple his confidence?

Posted by Batmanian on (April 25, 2013, 10:39 GMT)

@MAK123, the baggy green thing was essentially invented in the 1990s - when it made sense to offer a good tenure for the few who already looked like bulletproof cases when selected and merely had to confirm their solidity. Now baggy greens are thrown out speculatively, which is how it always was before. In fact, Taylor's own selection was fairly speculative. The thing is, there's a class of good Australian batsman who is not really suited to T20; these players need to be offered a good and lucrative structure of Shield and county cricket to build Test technique - they can always really cash in at T20 when they're older.

Posted by ravi-1967 on (April 25, 2013, 10:30 GMT)

Though I do not completely agree with Mark Taylor one point to be noted is that IPL is actually not helping. With the kind of matches being played in IPL it should be able to provide a talent pool / bench for the selectors to play. But if you look at it India has fared poorly in T20 World Cups ever since IPL came on the scene (2008).

It helps the cricketers and the board but does it help the country. Looks like even for the BCCI revenues are becoming more important than the honour of playing for the country. IPL is slowly but steadily killing test cricket in India.

Let us look at it this way. Key players playing well in test cricket for their countries (other than India) are not playing in IPL.

- Clarke AUS - Cook ENG - Amla SA

Posted by MAK123 on (April 25, 2013, 10:20 GMT)

I think majority of commentators here are missing the point what Taylor is trying to make. He made a clear reference to Maxwell, an undercooked material who could have transformed into a good test match player, had it not been for the lure of the quick money. I do not think he is criticizing any leagues; what he is saying is that the younger generation is more inclined towards instant monetary benefits than pride, something the baggy green offered and was dreamt about all aspiring Australian cricketers.

Posted by Clyde on (April 25, 2013, 10:15 GMT)

India has he crowds and the money and an extra million probably does make a player think about something other than cricket as it has been known in the Test era. It is rock-star money versus what you get paid in a string quartet. It is Warner as opposed to Cowan. I dare say there will have to be additional cricket grounds so the different codes can go on on the same day(s), as with the different kinds of football. In the commentary box you would have to rate Taylor very highly, for this kind of clear and convincing reflection.

Posted by Beertjie on (April 25, 2013, 10:14 GMT)

Of course Tubby's right and he had a great first tour but his last was pretty bad. Averaged just over 30 in 6 tests and was poor apart from a century in a losing cause in the first one. Hungry players are needed and who is hungrier than Rogers and Khawaja. He doesn't mention them, but my money would be on them to join Clarke as the biggest run-getters whatever the conditions. Hit/miss Warner and Hughes are as bad a bet as Watson, while Cowan ... well 'nuff said. Let's hope guys like Burns and Silk continue to work on technique or Chappelli's doomsday prophecy will eventualise. At least the bowlers are decent batsmen (lol). Next season there might even be a 'bottom' 4 with rotating #11: Agar, Starc, Pattinson, Cummins!

Posted by derpherp on (April 25, 2013, 10:14 GMT)

I think the point Taylor is trying to make is that there is a lack of NEW YOUNG batsmen coming through, not so much the current players. The only young batsmen I've seen with potential to average 45+ in both first class and tests is Jordan Silk, but he has only played 3 first class matches!

Posted by ihaq1 on (April 25, 2013, 10:08 GMT)

u can see the players that have been dropped ..the three spinners, steve smith and moises henriques...they did not play usman in india despite having serious batting failures...i think the team is strengthened although the only major change is the vice captain, rogers and faulkner...it still shows that teh team to india was weak and not tough enough...theoretically the IPL should not have an effect but if the players were playing badly because of wanting to play in the IPL than that is bad enough...i think they still need another batsmen and one of teh emerging batsmen should have been selected...this team require that u open with rogers and play usman at one down..i would look at playing rogers and watson as openers..one still has to realize that england have a very good spinner

Posted by stormy16 on (April 25, 2013, 10:06 GMT)

I dont think Taylor is blaming the IPL he is making an obvious statement that the IPL is a serious competition to test cricket which is correct. Dont think anyone can blame the IPL. For me as a spectator watchin Sachin and Ponter open will always remian one of thse glorious things from the IPL - wish they got a few run though. The blunt reailty the IPL (and other T20) have thrown a curved ball at test cricket to which there is no answer. All this nonsense about being patriotic is just that - non-sense. At the end of the day a man's got look after his family and being patriotic or playing test cricket wont hlep on that front. If someone said to me work 30% of your normal hours and you'll get paid 100%+ more of your current salary my response would be 'where do I aign'. Blunt reality folks and what's more it's we the fans who demanded this, not the players. If we didnt watch the IPL and wateched test cricket things would be different.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 10:02 GMT)

Money Money Money... Very few say, I had enough in my pocket...

Posted by T20-Fantasy on (April 25, 2013, 9:51 GMT)

Mark, blaming the T20 format or the BB or the IPL for Austrialia's recent 4-0 loss and a weak test batting side is not correct. A few years back the same people were all upbeat about the Australian cricket system and how it will keep producing great cricketers. However the fact is it is really not only the system but the love for the sport that produces greats. May be Australians dont love the game that much anymore ? Central contracts are a good thing but you cant prevent or blame a player for playing an IPL or a BB tournament where he can make in a year what the players from the older generation made in a decade. The times have changed and so will the game. May be Australia will never have great players like Steve, Mark, Shane. McGrath, Dennis any more ...that would be sad... but blaming a success of league cricket for the failure of finding raw talent in AUstralia is too shallow, when the same people were so proud about their own system and now blaming others for its failure.....

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 9:49 GMT)

The standard of the 'comments' here are all at least as good as the original article Tubby as usual says it "as it is" and makes some excellent points..... but Rohit and Sajid also both make excellent sense ... Anton makes a good point as well, and so does Jono ? etc ... So all considered "its not that simple" ?... maybe the problem is bigger than 'Cricket" ... is it something to do with where Australia as a whole is heading as a nation ... is it possible that we have a nation of 20/30 year olds that just aren't as focused and hungry as their predecessors . Tubby and Steve Waugh 'et al' DID grow up in a quite different Aust than say Warner and Maxwell etc . Is part of the answer somewhere in there? But I must say whilst I predicted the debacle in India (Maxwell - Doherty etc in baggy greens?? )_ I do have a bit more quiet confidence in the prospects of this latest attempt from "Invy" and the boys. But a list of 30 averages VS 5 0's ??? .. let's see ?

Posted by goldeneraaus on (April 25, 2013, 9:44 GMT)

I think Taylor has a point, and I agree partially with Rohit Ramesh that we should see a general decline in batting standards if t20 is to blame, but unlike Rohit I believe that is certainly the case. SA have Faf but that is it, De villiers is a product of an older era, and Ingram is untested, Windies have very poor batting against quality bowling as we saw in Australia, and the same goes for NZ (vs south africa) and SL again in a very recent series. In fact the only 2 teams without t20 leagues (England and SA) are the only ones to show good batting temperament in test matches in ALL conditions, everyone speaks highly of india's young talent but they are completely untested in tough conditions away from home and those who have been tried abroad (raina and yuvi) have failed. Certainly the riches and instant fame of t20 are having its impact, as much as generally flatter pitches

Posted by sreered321 on (April 25, 2013, 9:35 GMT)

IPL has its merits & demerits, majority get benefitted ..Stop pointing at others(IPL).See your back first..if you think IPL is distracting people and if it is spoiling the technique of testcricket ,then why do u have BIG BASH LEAUGE..?Better bastment may become worse and worse bastmen may become worse ..it depends on individuals technique ,fitness..IPL has given a great platform for many even EX vice captain SHANE WATSON came back into team because of IPL..IPL is great platform for CRICKET GROWTH

Posted by Sunil_Batra on (April 25, 2013, 9:29 GMT)

I think test cricket will live on…but only played by a handful of nations. Unlike most other test series, the Ashes have a cultural and historical significance for the nations that play it and it will live on. With crowds, TV ratings and marketing the Ashes also breaks-even financially…unlike many other test series.I mainly see a future cricket landscape with less bi-lateral series and more emphasis on domestic T20 leagues, Champions Trophy, Olympic Games, World Cups with a broader range of countries like Afghanistan, Netherlands, Canada, Ireland participating.@Mary great points on ensuring that our test specialists(i.e Khawaja, Cowan) are picked for test teams over T20 specialists and hopefully the selectors follow through with this.

Posted by anton_ego on (April 25, 2013, 9:19 GMT)

Can't believe this from a top Australian ex-captain. Not all teams where the players play IPL have done poorly in Tests (India, SA) and not all teams where the players are not part of IPL have done extra-ordinarily as well (Pak). It's about having the right person to do the right job. I still think Warner and Watson are limited-overs material who are fast-tracked into Test team, and now paying the price for that. SA are benefited by the fact that the mainstays in their Test lineup are not part of IPL, like Amla, Philander, Smith, etc. It means they are groomed for the longer version from early days. And it's remarkable to see some big players keeping themselves in the right frame of mind for all forms of the game, like de Villiers, Kallis, Steyn, Jayawardene, Sangakkara, etc. Taylor's statements are an insult to these players.

Posted by RandyOZ on (April 25, 2013, 9:18 GMT)

I wouldn't be too worried mark, england can't even beat the minnows NZ at home and were saved by the rain as usual!

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 9:11 GMT)

warner isn't averaging 30, he is averaging 39 point something, basically 40, and outside of india he's averaging over 45, the others tho have underperformed

Posted by 68704 on (April 25, 2013, 9:04 GMT)

Taylor is probably right . The answer may not be so simple. Cricketers need an arena to showcase their talent, an audience and the security of money . Of course the best of players like Kallis, Kohli,Steyn to name just a few do brilliantly in all formats. But they are few and far between . The real challenge is that australia has many players like Watson, Warner and now Faulkner who will do really well in t20. They may or may not do well in tests simply because they may not have the ability to do well in all formats . Maxwell is unlikely to ever be a test cricketer and I am sure the same appllies to Christian as well. Hopefuly all this will make australia a better t20 side than it presently is . Real class is absent in the australian side and that explains the sides present woes. The important thing is to remember that team development is cyclical. The road to the top is going to be slow , painful even . Stick to the basics and have patience Mark. Ramanujam sridhar

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 9:03 GMT)

Tubby is spot on and it doesn't help when Invers says they are searching for guys that can play across all three formats either. Again, this is where the central contracts must really exclude any consideration towards international T20 cricket. Players good enough to represent Aus in this format are surely rewarded well enough by their BBL and IPL contracts. By all means continue to regard ODI cricket as being very important as players techniques were never so badly affected by the 50 over stuff as they are the 20.

Lots of commentators here pretty keen to highlight that SA don't have these same problems but they still have a nucleus of 'old school' players going round, as does England, give another 2-3 years and see how you get on. After Smith, Kallis, Trott, Pietersen, Bell etc disappear we'll see what transpires. Aus had no problems either six months ago but now we see all our young talent coming through spend half the year playing T20 cricket, IPL, BBL and Champions League.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 9:00 GMT)

Why are you all guys not looking at FOOTBALL?? There are only in cricket, peoples are talking about country representation. But in FOOTBALL, there are many leagues are going in all one years. BPL, Bundesliga, Serea A, SPL...... Is those players are not representing their country? Guys just stop criticise players. In whole world whose not seeking money? JUST ENJOY SPORTS.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 8:54 GMT)

The best thing about Taylor: he calls spade a spade!

Posted by MWaugh9994 on (April 25, 2013, 8:47 GMT)

How could you blame the players for not passing up on the opportunity to play in the IPL? The rotation door policy of the Australian test team has devalued the baggy green and the Cricket Australia contracts are a joke! Mediocrity is tolerated in the test team, as long as you're consistent about it, whereas if you show signs of brilliance/talent, the knives will be out immediately after your first failure. You have players who played in your most recent test series (Henriques and S.Smith) not offered a central contract whilst awarding one to a bowler (P.Cummins) who hasn't played first class cricket for 18 months. You can't begrudge them for seeking a bit of financial security.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 8:42 GMT)

@sazzy1987 - all the batsmen you've mentioned honed their test skills before the IPL came about

Posted by Fleming_Mitch on (April 25, 2013, 8:39 GMT)

This is precisely what will happen - T20 will be the new test cricket by 2025 if not before.The traditional test cricket will die off for a number of reasons that require a post all by itself to expound.But money greed & expediency are two things that will kill traditional test cricket.Both administrators & players are in too much of a hurry to fill their pockets with T20 cash.I hope I am wrong but aside from the ashes I don't see other test series generating even half the crowds that T20 is generating. As for batting techniques, selectors made the mistake of picking T20 allrounders and batsman i.e Maxwell over geniune test batsman such as Khawaja and we paid the price and thankfully we have rectified that with the ashes quad. If you look at SA they pick folks with solid techniques such as Amla, De Villiers and give them a real run which is what we need to do.

Posted by hellothereeveryone on (April 25, 2013, 8:35 GMT)

Like it or not T20 cricket is here to stay and is the most exciting cricket format. Very few people have time to appreciate the grace of test cricket these days. Spectators prefer unorthodox cricketing techniques over technically correct cricket. On a different note Pakistani cricketers get the least amount of T20 cricket and are kept away from IPL but are still one of the most formidable sides in T20 cricket in the world and at the same time are technically not all that sound and thus suffer in test cricket. So dont blame T20 cricket only. There are other factors also for poor technique.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (April 25, 2013, 8:28 GMT)

A lack of good players cannot be explained away by the IPL, and its interesting to see the excuses have started already on the Oz side. A humiliated captain and team recently returned from the horrors of an India tour have proved they can't pick themselves up and start to compete with the top sides in the world. We were all granted a head-to-head comparison between Eng and Oz through those recent tours to India where they both played the same Indian team, and need we be reminded of how that went, simply confirming what has been the norm for five dark years for Australian cricket where they have seen Eng beat them, and whitewash them as, time and again. Clarke has spent years being asked to move up the order and take ownership of the huge problem that is Australia's batting, in amongst their other huge problems in keeping, spin seam they call it in Oz and skill of course. A transition phase of some sorts needs to begin now, otherwise a whole generation of players will be left out.

Posted by Cricketslover on (April 25, 2013, 8:23 GMT)

@soumyas You are definitely wrong in saying Mike Hussey was about to be dropped before he retired. Hussey was basically middling every ball and scoring piles of runs for Australia. He was never going to be dropped mate.

Posted by rohan34mca on (April 25, 2013, 8:10 GMT)

While I believe that money is a huge distraction in cricket and is already having its devastating repercussions on world cricket. Some Ace players retiring earlier than expected, then mediocre players ignoring honing of their skills to fight it out in the arena. If bits & pieces can earn me millions, why shall I focus on my batting or bowling to be a specialist and expert. This being said, I doubt this is the only problem CA is facing. CA officials & staff have to admit that they have got no masters of the game in the current lot. In spite of getting the best out of each one, they are pressurizing them to be Haydens, Pontings, Waughs, Langers, Gilchrists, Mcgraths & Warnes! Why on earth? It is really silly to expect so much. Team management must make sure to create an atmosphere where players can enjoy playing & not regret it! Current lot is mediocre and they have to accept it. Clarke had a brilliant 2012, that doesn't mean he is BEST either, He has his flaws & u have to accept it.

Posted by soumyas on (April 25, 2013, 8:03 GMT)

Also the way Australian team management treats experienced players like Watson,Johnson is bad. For some silly homework reasons they were kept out of the team and treated badly...How can u except good things from them when u are treating them bad? Again if u look back at Watson's career, CA had almost neglected Watson in 2007-08 time. but his performance in IPL1,IPL2 gave a good chance for him to make a come back, and he became one of the best all rounders in world. Even now in IPL6, he has scored a century, looks like he is back in form. So i see IPL benefiting Cricket Australia than damaging it....

Posted by SSRajan on (April 25, 2013, 8:02 GMT)

Someone please tell Mark Taylor that there are more South Africans playing in the IPL than Australians and they are number 1 in tests. Many of their major test stars are playing, like Kallis, Steyn, Morkel, ABdV etc. Graeme Smith played all previous seasons before this one. Add to it, India became test number 1 after IPL began and stayed No.1 for longer than Eng did, who don't have many players in the IPL and play tests exclusively. So stop finding excuses and look inwards and stop taking the easy way out and blaming IPL for all your ills. If Aus are not a great test team now, the fault is entirely CA's as they have neglected in putting in place a strong domestic structure. They had a bunch of great players come through at the same time so they assume that their domestic cricket will automatically be an assembly line of test greats till eternity. CA never worked on strengthening it.

Posted by Ozcricketwriter on (April 25, 2013, 8:01 GMT)

Sorry, Mr Taylor, but for all of your experience and knowledge, you are missing one simple fact: all countries are facing this exact same problem. In India, Gautam Gambhir's fall from grace in the test side was blamed on the IPL. In West Indies, they have numerous amazing T20 players yet can't get it together in the test side. This is a worldwide phenomenon. So why specifically are Australian batting talents slim? I can give one simple answer - selection. We still have 3 Australian batsmen doing the rounds with first class batting averages of over 50: Brad Hodge has long been forgotten, David Hussey has long been considered to be too old and Chris Rogers has only just got a call up. In a nutshell, that is the problem. While they should be selecting based on who is best, instead they allow factors like age or current temporary form, as in they scored 200 in a massacre last week, to guide their judgement. There are enough good batsmen in Australia, the selectors just ignore them.

Posted by IC_M on (April 25, 2013, 7:55 GMT)

hmmmm, why isn't the South African affected by this? What a lame excuse, just because Australia is not producing enough batsmen doesn't mean that 20/20 is the cause for it, in fact they play more 4 day games than 20/20. Test, 1 day, and 20/20 are all here to stay, but for test cricket, they need to make sure it's result oriented. There is no other sport in the world that goes for 5 days and yet may result in a draw.

Posted by soumyas on (April 25, 2013, 7:46 GMT)

Except Warner and Watson who else is in probable ASHES list ? i don't think any. IPL is full of yesterday's australian greats. who retired early due to pressure from CA. Mike Hussey is the best example, he retired just before before CA was abt to drop him... So CA is also responsible for their poor run in TEST cricket in recent times... Otherwise who else wud have thought they wud tour india for 4 tests without experienced spin players like M.Hussey, D.Hussey and Haddin ? Even Brad Hodge wud have performed well against spin in sub continent. But they dropped all these and here they are playing IPL....Now CA is complaining.

Posted by sazzy1987 on (April 25, 2013, 7:44 GMT)

Mr.Taylor, there are players like Kallis, Sanga, Mahela, Dravid, Steyn, Morkel, Hussey, Kohli who all played all of the seasons of IPL yet there performance in Test/ODI never got detroited. So it depends upon the class of players who plays it and has capability to adjust in every scenario. 1 thing is clear Oz has no more class player like Hayden, Ponting that is why they are suffering and not because money at IPL.

Posted by Meety on (April 25, 2013, 7:38 GMT)

IMO - there'll always be enuff talented batsmen who want the Baggy Green over IPL, the trouble is trying to get a balanced season for them. Look at Ussie, here's a bloke that went on a plane to India without hitting a red ball in about 3 months. Misfortune of a washed out match made it that bad, but even then - only playing ONE game is not enuff. The season must be re-jigged, as it appears to me, that when our boys go on a March tour, they will have very little FC matches behind them. The BBL MUST be condensed (start later & finish earlier)!

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 7:37 GMT)

Every Australian player wont be selected in IPL ; until they perform for AUS at international level and in their AUS domestic circuit! Infact every AUS player has to perform exceptionally well to get an IPL contract, 'coz even a bowler like Vernon Phliander was not picked up this year! So Money is a by product and not a distraction, even in IPL, of your talent and performance.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 7:25 GMT)

To say that playing 6 weeks of IPL means you don't have time to work on your test technique doesn't make a huge amount of sense. The issue Australia have is a lack of latent talent and the damage done by inconsistent selections. Cricket domination goes in cycles, and no team is the best forever. Australia were spoilt with riches in the past, that is not the case now. Time to accept it and live with the resources they have.

Posted by ygkd on (April 25, 2013, 7:24 GMT)

Well, how about longer games at rep youth and junior levels? The problem is most young bats today seem to be brought up on limited overs and rather too many forced innings retirements, just as they get going. So T20 is their game. It's Catch T22. A long-form-suitable kid will probably not play that many long-form games until he's proved himself. At T20. Now, if he was a stand-out star at T20, he wouldn't likely be a potential long-innings opening bat....

Posted by PrasPunter on (April 25, 2013, 7:23 GMT)

@ConfusedOne, Tubby is not a selector to decide on the contracts. He has just stated his resentment on the not-so-good things happening around with our cricket system.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 7:22 GMT)

A rare discovery by Mr.Mark Taylor,u really need a genial like him 2 tell us cricket followers.The whole world knows that money has killed the game.

Posted by nayonika on (April 25, 2013, 7:21 GMT)

Mark Taylor as usual blunt but right on the button. Cricket is not run by CA or BCCI or ECB...the game is run by sponsors, advertisers et al. Money to the game comes not so much from ticket sales as from sponsor fees and advt rights' sales. Because of big money now, the old players are also being taken care by the BCCI in India. On the one hand we say it is now a professional sport like other sports like soccer, golf, tennis and then decry money clouding the pride to play for the country! Let us be honest..only a few can play for the national cap but many can play T20 and take care of their career and living. Don't grudge them.

Posted by smokem on (April 25, 2013, 7:20 GMT)

Tubby is spot on as usual. Why CA has not appointed him to a senior role in Aussie cricket is beyond me...

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 7:18 GMT)

In 1989,the team was similar to the present 1.Batting revolved around Border and others were inexperienced,similar 2 Clarke.Eng's bowling has been erratic for a year.So I hope the Aussies will have a crack at it.

Posted by Sinhaya on (April 25, 2013, 6:56 GMT)

Australia no doubt has the bowlers to dominate the Ashes but batting other than Clarke is quite fragile. England batting is strong to the point that at least 3 of them will score no matter how fearsome is the Aussie pace attack. With Aussie batsmen failing against spin in India, cant see how they will tackle Panesar and Swann in England. Looking at the series in India, no one other than Clarke managed a century. There was a clear lack of big partnerships for the Aussies. I still hope that the Ashes will be exciting. As a Lankan, well my team always plays it's worse test cricket both home and away against the Aussies for some reason which will be a big mystery.

Posted by ConfusedOne on (April 25, 2013, 6:48 GMT)

So why do they give CA contracts to T20 players

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