New age June 4, 2007

The Afro-Asia Cup: An exercise in futility

Cricket's administrators are already in disrepute yet they remain shameless
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This has been a miserable year for cricket.

Bob Woolmer's death--murder or natural causes--has been horribly compounded by the pitiful charade played out by policemen, pathologists, and journalists speculating on the cause of death. Being uncertain about cause of death is not a new phenomenon. Doctors and pathologists in a hospital near you are inevitably dealing with the same confusion, even about patients that had every pulse and breath monitored closely for days prior to death. Imposing certainty on medical practice is an exercise in futility. From the facts released to the public I don't think it is possible to know how Bob died, which makes you wonder why his body was released for cremation before the issue was settled?

The World Cup was probably the worst in history, a consequence of greed and myopia that engulfed the ICC and the host organising committee. A World Cup that meanders on and on without the home team and their spectators joining the party is a blow to cricket as a major international sport. Another exercise in futility. Even Australia's brilliance wasn't properly rewarded when the final ended in farce.

Now we stand on the brink of the biggest exercise in futility of all: two games of festival cricket between an Asian XI and an African XI, with neither side able to muster its first choice players. We have a glut of international cricket. Players are overworked and injuries are more prevalent. Who really cares if Asia beats Africa? Who really believes that the individual performances will have any meaning? Cricket's administrators are already in disrepute yet they remain shameless. With every move they confirm that they are out of touch with the soul of cricket. And this Afro-Asian car crash in a side street is as soulless as it gets.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • khalid mahmood mir on September 4, 2010, 10:11 GMT

    it is not sad to feel that PAK team players are once again in the media not for their perfmance on the field but of the field. Congratulations yo PAK team official for highlighting this nation by their deeds. Mr. Ijaz Bhatt is soleley responsible for whole episode of match fixing. What is he doing/ Is he just enjoying and playing with the hearts of millions of team fans. Shame be upn him and also with Bhatt and the ever famous Asif. If Asif was found guilty, why he was included in the team recently....shame shamme upon also to Yawar Sayeed. Believe me it is the PAK cricket board responsible for this inhenoius act.Why there is no discipline in this team, right after the one and only Mr. Imran Khan retired from this team? Why those misbehaving regularly are not being treated properly? There is favourism in his team. Sme of the players are playing on behalf of their approach not by their talent of perfromance.Please forward this message to Sir Imran Khan. He should be the team Chairman...

  • Moon on June 12, 2007, 21:49 GMT

    Saima & Javed A Khan-----> One Person, stop fooling others!!!!!!!

  • I Agree on June 12, 2007, 19:51 GMT

    I agree with Kamran.

  • Awas on June 12, 2007, 17:36 GMT

    Good to know that bootlegger Mushy didn’t tamper with that Champagne he gave to Bob Woolmer ;-)……he must be relieved…so “Thanks to Allah…..”

    But what about Dr Ere Seshaiah? He must have smoked some potent substance in his Shisha before his autopsy. He definitely erred that day.

  • Rauf on June 12, 2007, 17:01 GMT

    As it's been expected for more then a week now, the incompetent Jamaican police has finally acknowledged that Bob's death was due to natural causes. And in a very predictable and spineless manner that PCB is famous for, Dr. Ashraf says that there will be no legal ramifications from Pakistan side.

    OK, let me get this straight, the whole Pakistan team was DNA tested, finger printed, questioned under suspicion, maligned in the media (Mostly Indian and Western media), not to mention Bob's family put thru an emotional roller coaster all because of the morons who happened to be on the investigation team ONLY to get a "NO OBJECTION" from our PCB at the end of this fiasco.

    Bravo, Mr. PCB Chairman, Bravo. Maybe if you bend over a bit longer, they will drop the doping charges also.

    khansahab:

    If you think that Indian media is not biased against Pakistan then I have some nice property on Mars that I can sell you. Real cheap. You will feel right at home ;)

  • WASIM SAQIB on June 12, 2007, 15:24 GMT

    JAVED A. KHAN

    Either you didn't read my post or you were not wearing your glasses, I clearly stated that "one thing on which we both agree is that PCB should hire a domestic coach." I wrote it in Plain English and not Punjabi, so I fail to understand why you couldn't comprehend it. I think you need to consult a lawyer and have him read the Qayyum report and then you will find out Akram was banned from captaincy, but not from a coaching job hope you understand the difference.

    Qayyum report also fined Waqar Younis but it seems you have no problem with it, also the long association of Javed Miandad with Asif Iqbal and his association and relationship with Dawood Ibrahim does not ring a bell in your mind. Don’t you think that you are exhibiting double standards on the issue? You can infer judgements and twist the facts based on your own prejudices but it will not change the reality, which is that "ISS HUMAM MEIN SAB NANGEY HEIN".

    Qayyum report was flawed and was not conclusive and was damaged by the perjury committed by Ata-ur-Rehman and the "tampering of evidence" by Rashid Latif who in order to protect himself and his friends "Basit Ali and Saeed Anwar" edited the tapes,(which were the main evidence). Rashid Latif clearly wanted to be the Captain of the team and so did Aamir sohail, that is why they blew the whistle, and not because that they possessed some higher degree of integrity. I have said it before and would recommend it again that you should read the Qayyum report again and then infer your judgements.

    Our argument started when Wasim Proposed the Idea of making a Fast bowler fund and started working with the young bowlers on voluntary basis. In my opinion in such a role where he is not traveling with the team and only working on voluntary basis is only an attempt by him to redeem himself and since he is not moving with the team no harm can be done so all the criticism from your end was un-necessary.

    Javed you and Khansahab and a few others who appear occasionaly for your support are the only people on this Blog who consistently display prejudice, Jingoism and regionalism.In the name of "Pun" you have crossed almost every limit to humiliate Punjabis.I have requested you guys before and will request again to stop this "Fitna-Gari" as there is no end to it and nobody will gain anything from it.You will continue to insult others and get insulted in return.

    I would also request Rext and others to use civil language and refrain from severe personal remarks.

    Its only a request so please don't take it personally.

  • Tomislav on June 12, 2007, 13:41 GMT

    People love playing for their Countries, not for their Continents. They game of cricket is not big enough for Continent vs Continent.

    When Antartica can field a decent team perhaps more interest will be generated?

    Cheers.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 12, 2007, 12:07 GMT

    Pra Muhammad Asaf June 9, 2007 6:04 PM, I like your "statorgy" which sounds like "chat-orgy" keep on entertaining us cow boy of lower Punjab.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 12, 2007, 11:56 GMT

    The delay in the appearance of the posts made me think whether Kamran Abbassi is on a vacation or the recent acquisition of cricinfo by ESPN has effected the delay by any chance? Not sure what the reason may have been but, its good to see the blog-khana called Pak Spin is not closed.

    khansahab, your observation about the performances of a few players is fair and square, 'coz I have also talked about Rao Ifti in the past that he is a very unassuming bowler, very much underrated and he has been in and out of the team a few times and remained at the mercy of the selectors. The first time I saw him bowling was in the series at home when India visited Pakistan and in that match he clean bowled Tendulkar with a beauty. Immediately there were comments from the Indian experts on TV that, Tendulkar has the tendency to get out cheaply by new bowlers and a few examples were cited, which I reckon as rubbish, that ball was too good for anyone. And, Rao Ifti impressed me with his accuracy and even today he bowls with that zeal, enthusiasm and accuracy. I have also observed his batting skills and he certainly has this ability to dig in for a while and chip in a few useful runs and he can also play big shots with ease. This batting skill needs to be honed by him more than anyone else helping him out, but its also the job of the coach and the Captain to think about his usefulness and utilize him often, rather than ignoring him. This is what Lateral Thinking is about - use your resources to the best of their abilities, instead of looking for more.

    Secondly, I cannot disagree with you on Mohammad Asif's bowling in the death overs. He has been very expensive in the death overs and, recently he has proved it in the Afro-Asia matches also that he can be taken in for a ride and, his 69 runs in ten overs and 83 in 9.5 overs speaks a lot against him. I guess its for this reason Inzi used to stretch his first spell to the maximum, just like Shuan Pollock is being used by SA. Something has to be done by the Pakistani guru's rather sufi's in this respect and Asif himself needs to iron out his weakness.

    Regarding, tableegh this is the umpteenth time I am writing against it, that these tableeghis are no less than Jehovah’s Witnesses and there is no place for them in cricket. You can be as religious as you wish but don't show off and tell the world how religious and how pious you are. And Afridi, being an Akhroat doesn't do much thinking b4 he talks so, is Malik but, I guess thats the trend in Pakistan these days to gain popularity you have to do all this on the TV. About camp Afridi, like I said on camp Akram, this too seems to be a fad and players try to get popular or stay in the news even when there is no cricket. I was reading that news in DAWN on camp Afridi and, I was thinking on the same lines as you wrote about slogging, but prolly you missed the last point of that report, he mentioned that he would like to invite key players or the ex-heroes to the camp to give their input or coach the Karachi youngsters and he also mention that in the past there used to be a healthy participation of Karachi players in the national team and not anymore! So, he wants to bring back that equation. In my opinion thats a long shot coz it has something more to do with politics rather than cricket and merit.

    About slogging, whether he can teach anyone how to slog or not is another issue, 'coz not everyone he would be coaching would be an akhroat and not everyone would have that much power to slog, but I reckon there are hundreds of thousands of youngsters who want to emulate Shahid Afridi and this madness is not only seen in Pakistan but, in India too. He is their icon and in the recent twenty20 in Bangalore, they all came to see Shahid Afridi, its a shame that he didn't get a chance to bat. Read Jamie Alter's recent column on how Afridi injects all the oomph.

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/aac2007/content/story/297034.html

    Very recently I have met a group of Australians who were returning from the Caribbean i.e., after the WC and I got a chance to discuss the world cup performances with them. They said, even though Australia has won the cup, but there was no fun in cricket but, they had a good time partying in the Caribbean. I was surprised to hear from them saying, that apart from their Ashes rivalry with England, which is always a crowd puller, the second most popular team and a crowd puller in Australia is Pakistan. They mentioned specific names of a few players like, Imran Khan, Javed Miandad in the past and Shoaib Akhtar and Shahid Afridi in the current lot. Whether they perform or not is another matter but a majority of the Australians used to go only to see these players and Afridi in his last visit to Australia has thrashed McGrath, Brett Lee and Shane Watson.

    Yes, Shahid Afridi should have been sent to open the innings in the Bangalore twenty20. Also, Malik's decision to bowl first after winning the toss baffled me. They could have easily put on a huge score, never mind that but lets see how the upcoming affair at the "Scotland Yard" will fare. I wonder if anyone has noticed the number of matches England is going to play this year. After these test matches they are playing ODI's against the WI and then India and then SL and the number of matches are close to twenty? Take a look at this schedule:

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/england/content/team/1.html?template=schedule

    In between there is a twenty20 WC in SA. And, why Pakistan plays so few matches?

  • WASIM SAQIB on June 10, 2007, 20:46 GMT

    KHANSAHAB:

    Its strange that you are so upset about my comments about Mahesh Bhatt,You labelled him "liberal" when he was clearly going to make a Propaganda movie against Pakistan and Pakistani team.If he is casting Pakistani stars in his movies he is not doing any favour to them, he mostly makes low budget movies and he saved a lot of money by starring Pakistani artists,You dont know what was his budget for that Meera movie so you really cant comment that if he lost any money on it.He has cashed big time on Atif Aslam's popularity.Do you think that since he gave small jobs to Pakistani artists so he should be given a licence to ridicule our Team and Country?I dont think so. (BAGAL MEIN CHURI AUR MOO MEIN RAM RAM).

    DAWAR:

    Records are made to be broken,Inzimam may break Miandad's record,but he will never be able to get the stature of Miandad,so don't sweat it.

  • khalid mahmood mir on September 4, 2010, 10:11 GMT

    it is not sad to feel that PAK team players are once again in the media not for their perfmance on the field but of the field. Congratulations yo PAK team official for highlighting this nation by their deeds. Mr. Ijaz Bhatt is soleley responsible for whole episode of match fixing. What is he doing/ Is he just enjoying and playing with the hearts of millions of team fans. Shame be upn him and also with Bhatt and the ever famous Asif. If Asif was found guilty, why he was included in the team recently....shame shamme upon also to Yawar Sayeed. Believe me it is the PAK cricket board responsible for this inhenoius act.Why there is no discipline in this team, right after the one and only Mr. Imran Khan retired from this team? Why those misbehaving regularly are not being treated properly? There is favourism in his team. Sme of the players are playing on behalf of their approach not by their talent of perfromance.Please forward this message to Sir Imran Khan. He should be the team Chairman...

  • Moon on June 12, 2007, 21:49 GMT

    Saima & Javed A Khan-----> One Person, stop fooling others!!!!!!!

  • I Agree on June 12, 2007, 19:51 GMT

    I agree with Kamran.

  • Awas on June 12, 2007, 17:36 GMT

    Good to know that bootlegger Mushy didn’t tamper with that Champagne he gave to Bob Woolmer ;-)……he must be relieved…so “Thanks to Allah…..”

    But what about Dr Ere Seshaiah? He must have smoked some potent substance in his Shisha before his autopsy. He definitely erred that day.

  • Rauf on June 12, 2007, 17:01 GMT

    As it's been expected for more then a week now, the incompetent Jamaican police has finally acknowledged that Bob's death was due to natural causes. And in a very predictable and spineless manner that PCB is famous for, Dr. Ashraf says that there will be no legal ramifications from Pakistan side.

    OK, let me get this straight, the whole Pakistan team was DNA tested, finger printed, questioned under suspicion, maligned in the media (Mostly Indian and Western media), not to mention Bob's family put thru an emotional roller coaster all because of the morons who happened to be on the investigation team ONLY to get a "NO OBJECTION" from our PCB at the end of this fiasco.

    Bravo, Mr. PCB Chairman, Bravo. Maybe if you bend over a bit longer, they will drop the doping charges also.

    khansahab:

    If you think that Indian media is not biased against Pakistan then I have some nice property on Mars that I can sell you. Real cheap. You will feel right at home ;)

  • WASIM SAQIB on June 12, 2007, 15:24 GMT

    JAVED A. KHAN

    Either you didn't read my post or you were not wearing your glasses, I clearly stated that "one thing on which we both agree is that PCB should hire a domestic coach." I wrote it in Plain English and not Punjabi, so I fail to understand why you couldn't comprehend it. I think you need to consult a lawyer and have him read the Qayyum report and then you will find out Akram was banned from captaincy, but not from a coaching job hope you understand the difference.

    Qayyum report also fined Waqar Younis but it seems you have no problem with it, also the long association of Javed Miandad with Asif Iqbal and his association and relationship with Dawood Ibrahim does not ring a bell in your mind. Don’t you think that you are exhibiting double standards on the issue? You can infer judgements and twist the facts based on your own prejudices but it will not change the reality, which is that "ISS HUMAM MEIN SAB NANGEY HEIN".

    Qayyum report was flawed and was not conclusive and was damaged by the perjury committed by Ata-ur-Rehman and the "tampering of evidence" by Rashid Latif who in order to protect himself and his friends "Basit Ali and Saeed Anwar" edited the tapes,(which were the main evidence). Rashid Latif clearly wanted to be the Captain of the team and so did Aamir sohail, that is why they blew the whistle, and not because that they possessed some higher degree of integrity. I have said it before and would recommend it again that you should read the Qayyum report again and then infer your judgements.

    Our argument started when Wasim Proposed the Idea of making a Fast bowler fund and started working with the young bowlers on voluntary basis. In my opinion in such a role where he is not traveling with the team and only working on voluntary basis is only an attempt by him to redeem himself and since he is not moving with the team no harm can be done so all the criticism from your end was un-necessary.

    Javed you and Khansahab and a few others who appear occasionaly for your support are the only people on this Blog who consistently display prejudice, Jingoism and regionalism.In the name of "Pun" you have crossed almost every limit to humiliate Punjabis.I have requested you guys before and will request again to stop this "Fitna-Gari" as there is no end to it and nobody will gain anything from it.You will continue to insult others and get insulted in return.

    I would also request Rext and others to use civil language and refrain from severe personal remarks.

    Its only a request so please don't take it personally.

  • Tomislav on June 12, 2007, 13:41 GMT

    People love playing for their Countries, not for their Continents. They game of cricket is not big enough for Continent vs Continent.

    When Antartica can field a decent team perhaps more interest will be generated?

    Cheers.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 12, 2007, 12:07 GMT

    Pra Muhammad Asaf June 9, 2007 6:04 PM, I like your "statorgy" which sounds like "chat-orgy" keep on entertaining us cow boy of lower Punjab.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 12, 2007, 11:56 GMT

    The delay in the appearance of the posts made me think whether Kamran Abbassi is on a vacation or the recent acquisition of cricinfo by ESPN has effected the delay by any chance? Not sure what the reason may have been but, its good to see the blog-khana called Pak Spin is not closed.

    khansahab, your observation about the performances of a few players is fair and square, 'coz I have also talked about Rao Ifti in the past that he is a very unassuming bowler, very much underrated and he has been in and out of the team a few times and remained at the mercy of the selectors. The first time I saw him bowling was in the series at home when India visited Pakistan and in that match he clean bowled Tendulkar with a beauty. Immediately there were comments from the Indian experts on TV that, Tendulkar has the tendency to get out cheaply by new bowlers and a few examples were cited, which I reckon as rubbish, that ball was too good for anyone. And, Rao Ifti impressed me with his accuracy and even today he bowls with that zeal, enthusiasm and accuracy. I have also observed his batting skills and he certainly has this ability to dig in for a while and chip in a few useful runs and he can also play big shots with ease. This batting skill needs to be honed by him more than anyone else helping him out, but its also the job of the coach and the Captain to think about his usefulness and utilize him often, rather than ignoring him. This is what Lateral Thinking is about - use your resources to the best of their abilities, instead of looking for more.

    Secondly, I cannot disagree with you on Mohammad Asif's bowling in the death overs. He has been very expensive in the death overs and, recently he has proved it in the Afro-Asia matches also that he can be taken in for a ride and, his 69 runs in ten overs and 83 in 9.5 overs speaks a lot against him. I guess its for this reason Inzi used to stretch his first spell to the maximum, just like Shuan Pollock is being used by SA. Something has to be done by the Pakistani guru's rather sufi's in this respect and Asif himself needs to iron out his weakness.

    Regarding, tableegh this is the umpteenth time I am writing against it, that these tableeghis are no less than Jehovah’s Witnesses and there is no place for them in cricket. You can be as religious as you wish but don't show off and tell the world how religious and how pious you are. And Afridi, being an Akhroat doesn't do much thinking b4 he talks so, is Malik but, I guess thats the trend in Pakistan these days to gain popularity you have to do all this on the TV. About camp Afridi, like I said on camp Akram, this too seems to be a fad and players try to get popular or stay in the news even when there is no cricket. I was reading that news in DAWN on camp Afridi and, I was thinking on the same lines as you wrote about slogging, but prolly you missed the last point of that report, he mentioned that he would like to invite key players or the ex-heroes to the camp to give their input or coach the Karachi youngsters and he also mention that in the past there used to be a healthy participation of Karachi players in the national team and not anymore! So, he wants to bring back that equation. In my opinion thats a long shot coz it has something more to do with politics rather than cricket and merit.

    About slogging, whether he can teach anyone how to slog or not is another issue, 'coz not everyone he would be coaching would be an akhroat and not everyone would have that much power to slog, but I reckon there are hundreds of thousands of youngsters who want to emulate Shahid Afridi and this madness is not only seen in Pakistan but, in India too. He is their icon and in the recent twenty20 in Bangalore, they all came to see Shahid Afridi, its a shame that he didn't get a chance to bat. Read Jamie Alter's recent column on how Afridi injects all the oomph.

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/aac2007/content/story/297034.html

    Very recently I have met a group of Australians who were returning from the Caribbean i.e., after the WC and I got a chance to discuss the world cup performances with them. They said, even though Australia has won the cup, but there was no fun in cricket but, they had a good time partying in the Caribbean. I was surprised to hear from them saying, that apart from their Ashes rivalry with England, which is always a crowd puller, the second most popular team and a crowd puller in Australia is Pakistan. They mentioned specific names of a few players like, Imran Khan, Javed Miandad in the past and Shoaib Akhtar and Shahid Afridi in the current lot. Whether they perform or not is another matter but a majority of the Australians used to go only to see these players and Afridi in his last visit to Australia has thrashed McGrath, Brett Lee and Shane Watson.

    Yes, Shahid Afridi should have been sent to open the innings in the Bangalore twenty20. Also, Malik's decision to bowl first after winning the toss baffled me. They could have easily put on a huge score, never mind that but lets see how the upcoming affair at the "Scotland Yard" will fare. I wonder if anyone has noticed the number of matches England is going to play this year. After these test matches they are playing ODI's against the WI and then India and then SL and the number of matches are close to twenty? Take a look at this schedule:

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/england/content/team/1.html?template=schedule

    In between there is a twenty20 WC in SA. And, why Pakistan plays so few matches?

  • WASIM SAQIB on June 10, 2007, 20:46 GMT

    KHANSAHAB:

    Its strange that you are so upset about my comments about Mahesh Bhatt,You labelled him "liberal" when he was clearly going to make a Propaganda movie against Pakistan and Pakistani team.If he is casting Pakistani stars in his movies he is not doing any favour to them, he mostly makes low budget movies and he saved a lot of money by starring Pakistani artists,You dont know what was his budget for that Meera movie so you really cant comment that if he lost any money on it.He has cashed big time on Atif Aslam's popularity.Do you think that since he gave small jobs to Pakistani artists so he should be given a licence to ridicule our Team and Country?I dont think so. (BAGAL MEIN CHURI AUR MOO MEIN RAM RAM).

    DAWAR:

    Records are made to be broken,Inzimam may break Miandad's record,but he will never be able to get the stature of Miandad,so don't sweat it.

  • Muhammad Asif on June 9, 2007, 18:04 GMT

    We are approaching nearer to the selection of National Coach. I think National Coach should be there to make some kind of statorgy for the team not to improve the technical skills of individual players, it should be done in the acadmies. The National coach should be there to let the team know how to fight back, how to stand tall when theres no chance that you can win. How to grab an opportunity? How to believe in themselves?

  • EAMIRAN on June 9, 2007, 1:17 GMT

    The only thing souless about cricket nowadays, is the ubiquitous presence of the limited overs game in all its over-hyped, contrived formats. A format that creates lazy, overfed batsmen, and scared, defensive bowlers. A format which encourages an imbalance of power between bat and ball. A format that contributes daily to the declining standards of cricket (fielding excepted).

    The fact is, that it remains a sugar coated version of the real game, intended for the masses and in mass over-dose quantities. Too much of this sickly sweet concoction has resulted in the "sugar-blues". If the limited overs format continues at this rate, cricket, at large, will consume itself.

    I, for one, am sick of it.

    You get what you sow - No test(s) - No soul

    rext:

    Please - don't hold back. Really.

  • Dawar on June 9, 2007, 0:20 GMT

    The " Afro-Asia Cup" is a name of another business segment.

    Cricket should be "Cricket Oriented" not the business oriented.

    Unfortunately cricket become so business oriented, we do not know which game is fair or not.

    I do not have any proof for my allegations below, but we all have some intelligence to think right or wrong.

    Please have a look at the bookies rates on Austrlia one month before the world cup it was number 1 favorite.

    All bookies putting highest rate for Austrlia, and suddenly they lost five match in the row just before the world cup. (Unbeliveable)

    Currently, Austrlia is such a good site they can lose one or may be two match in the row by bad luck or some extra ordinary performance from oponents. But not five matches in a row.

    Specially b4 the world cup no team wants to lose match. It does down moral of the team. But Austrlia is such good team, they did.

    Just after that bookies rates change dramitically again. Rates become almost balance. Bookies start putting SA on top. Even Pakistani Coach wrote article on the favour of SA. But in world cup every one saw the performace of Austrlia. is it the same team which lost five matches in the row just b4 the WC against New Zeland & England?

    You can see many results like that.

    Pakistan lost against Ireland. India lost against Bangladesh. Now see how India beating Bangladesh in their home ground.

    After terrifying performance in the WC, Pakistan won the one day serise against WC second best team. In Asia, Sri Lanka is a number one team in fielding. we was them in the WC.

    But, Did you Sri Lanka fielding in first two one day matches against Pakistan?

    They dropped easy catches in a row, just like Kamran Akmal. They misfield a lot. But in last match their filding was again on top.

    Cricket is a business like all other business. So "Afro-Asia Cup" is another flavor of the business not more than that.

    Please note: This is just my opinion, I am sharing with you. It could be wrong. ALLAH knows better.

    Dawar LA, USA

  • EAMIRAN on June 8, 2007, 23:45 GMT

    rext:

    Please - don't hold back.

  • khansahab (A.A.Khan) on June 8, 2007, 18:45 GMT

    I was watching Shahid Afridi’s interview yesterday and he was asked about how he felt watching Pakistan lose to Ireland. He answered that he did not know what went wrong, although “Mushy Bhai” was reading the “Tazbeeh” and he himself went to read 2 “nafils” hoping they would translate into a Pakistan victory. But none of that bore any fruits. Suddenly, as I was hearing Afridi say all this, all that I have written about religion in cricket ever since Pakistan’s humiliating defeat, crossed my eyes and I felt more adamant than ever that whatever I have predicated about Tableeghism in cricket is true. I had a walking talking example in the form of Shahid Afridi in front of me; I wish that interview can be shown to the conservative-minded people on this blog who disagree with me about this Tableeghism. What was really depressing was the same story again when he said that he did not understand why they lost so badly, especially since they were praying regularly in Jamaat and being good Muslims etc.

    Anyway, Afridi wants to set up a camp in Karachi so that cricket gets promoted in the city. Whereas I welcome that move, I hope he teaches youngsters Miandad’s technique of batting (which he probably is unaware of) and Qadir’s technique of leg spin bowling (again which he is probably unaware of). If you want wanton sloggers to play for Pakistan, you don’t really need to provide them with constructive coaching.

    Mohammad Asif’s poor record bowling at the death overs has been unearthed by a Cricinfo statistician. Asif is a lot like Irfan Pathan, with a supreme entry into international cricket at a young age from nowhere, the label of potential “future captain” and excellent control of the new ball. However, I hope Asif’s form does not deteriorate like Irfan’s has.

    I was thinking about the all-important strategy of “optimum utilisation of resources” and how that applies to cricket. For instance, I recently commented that Afridi should be sent as opener in the forthcoming ODI against India as he performs the best against Indians in that position. I am very keen to see more of Rao Iftikar, for I believe we have a tremendously talented cricketer in him. I keep talking about the need for our established middle order batsmen to open so that some stability can be injected into the opening order which would relieve the batsmen who bat lower down. Malik originally was picked as a specialist off-spinner batting lower down the order, but he demonstrated good learning ability and has now become the second most dependable ODI batsman in Pakistan (after Yousuf, and assuming Younis is not playing any more ODI’s). That is what I mean by optimum utilisation of resources. Rao should be played as a bowling all-rounder to take the permanent place of either Razzaq or Rana Naved (assuming the latter actually has a place in the current squad). I am sure he will be a quick learner and become an able lower order batsman. I am not saying this just because his performance has been good over the past year. When he played his debut series and a couple of series after that, many people said that he is a “sifarish barthi” and useless player, but I supported him as I could see he would become an effective bowler. We don’t know, of course, what will happen with him in the future, but judging from his recent performances, I think most people will agree that for now, he is an automatic selection. Plus, he is not on dope. :-)

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 8, 2007, 14:10 GMT

    According to Kamran Abbassi: "This has been a miserable year for cricket," and he has highlighted all those issues and summed up the facts very aptly. Also, he raised his concerns about the future of cricket in a very pertinent way, especially the way the ICC handled this World Cup which he describes as the worst ever in the history of cricket etc. Instead of going into a detailed discussion in my usual style. I would prefer to say nothing more than His Exile-ency's quote: "I am agree." lol.

    Apart from the cricket issues that are being discussed by the regulars on this blog, one of the things that we keep seeing every now and then on this blog is the appearance and disappearance of a few new P. kids on the blog. They emerge with some new ridiculous nicks and come here with an avowed purpose of ridiculing and abusing others including Kamran Abbassi and then disappearing forever i.e., after they themselves became the victim of their own P. wit and got ridiculed by others. And the rext thing you see here is another one moaning and croaking like a toad, blasting out and splattering filth against some individuals for no reason and outta sheer jealousy, hatred and spill venom based on jingoism and terrestrialism. These are the same qualities seen in the arboreal species that breeds hatred and they keep creeping allover and everywhere and, no wonder why they are referred as "quadropedal primates"? I guess it is due to their inborn terrestrial qualities which promotes terrestrial locomotion and they don't mind rolling, creeping, sliding or even slithering but, as long as they are moving they are happy. Its just like they say: "I pilay creekat and I happy!" They also 'pilay palticks' and they are happy. But they hardly ever realize how they have ruined the so-called, "carriers" of some very talented players because of their own vested interest, lust, greed and glut to rule the masses and spread jingoism. The fact is they cannot accept anyone else superiority over them. The greatest "kwalty" they posses is in sticking and bonding with two anchor movements just like the leeches, using their suction cups to move whichever way it pleases them and suits their personality. In fact they don't have a personality that is why they are so flak-see-bul (flexible).

    In trying to assail me at a personal level, rext has exposed his own anterior, posterior privates in public and also made it clear to most of us about his goddamn profession. He is a con-do-man who sells contraceptives and 'can-do' anything when it comes to selling, never hesitates to bend over backwards and offer his own two pegged posterior stand for "on spot" trials to users, as his motto is "your satisfaction is my pleasure" or 'plai-yer' in his native language." He insists his clients to experiment the strength of his products and gauge the flexibility of his pricing b4 they maiye-yer (measure) the depth of his honesty and sincerity in which he is offering his services! JEE, you are on spot 'coz you have "vary" proudly said that, you don't have to be "an Einstein". So, in describing your tedious and arduous profession - in which you've got entangled rightly or wrongly, but you are innit - I may have used the American grammar, and I do understand and acknowledge that it doesn't have the same kinda sturdiness of the British grammar. A British salesman with a proper education can prolly make magazine copy for ribbed condoms that sound like the "Magna Goddam Carta". Butt, as they say, the Pay&do's have their own scruffy charm and whether they are in their own scruffy Pind or they are abroad, they are happy! When peepal ask the rext question: "How do you sell so many?" rext's invariable answer is, "Sir - jee; one at a time." And khansahab, I think to give this paindoo thingi a more modern look, the word P. (P dot) should be more jazzy and trendy eh? :-)

  • jamjar on June 8, 2007, 11:34 GMT

    Robert -

    I agree with your comments to a certain extent. The African team could have been far better than what was fielded. From the opposition's point of view, you can only beat what is put in front of you, but a victory to gloat, this is not.

    However, from a biased Pak fan's point of view, it was nice to see some of the team regulars notching up some runs and taking wickets.

    Not naming any names, but looks like The Usual Suspect is up to the same old trick of point out spelling mistakes of bloggers. Get a life someone should say.

    Wasim Saqib - Some good analysis and commentary on the Khans.

  • Sheikh Junaidur Rahman on June 8, 2007, 10:59 GMT

    Can Pakistan take the world cup again like 19992

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 8, 2007, 3:51 GMT

    Wasim Saqib; I reiterate my views that Pakistan cricket team does NOT need a foreign coach. Because, there is enough talent, enough expertise within the country therefore, "if the PCB and the players think that the team needs a coach," then he must be from within the country. Do you understand what it means? I think I made myself very clear then and once again I have highlighted what I had to say, if you can't understand then, its not my problem.

    I have also said that, "in my opinion" Javed Miandad is the most competent person for that job and everyone has the right to have an opinion. But, for your information Miandad was never involved in any kinda betting scandals or any other image tarnishing incidents like Wasim Akram or others did. Click on the link below and read whats written about Wasim Akram. I feel ashamed to repeat it, but its a fact that he did that and just because he is a player who achieved the celebrity status and was deemed as an icon by every child in the country for his bowling heroics therefore, he got away with everything wrong that he did. Now, click this link below and read it..

    http://content-www.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/263383.html

    Regarding the Justice Quayyum Report, its not in Punjabi - its in English! Probably you were looking for a word "banned" innit and up on not finding it, you think Wasim Akram can take up the job of a national coach, right?. First of all the Quayyum Commission fined him Rs. 3 lac and did not gift him 3 lacs, which itself is a proof that he was found guilty (but to a lesser degree than the others). Some of the charges were dropped or reduced to a lesser degree because later on Ata ur Rahman and Amir Sohail both retracted their earlier statements. Ata ur Rahman earlier gave a written sworn affidavit that he received money from Wasim Akram for losing the match. And Amir Sohail also gave his statement that the night before the world cup match in Bangalore, Wasim was in the night club with the bookies and was talking about something suspicious then, the next morning just 5 minutes before the match he declared himself unfit with a pulled chest muscle! Which according to Amir Sohail he feigned the injury. All this is in the report.

    In any case, what is important in that report is the decision of the Quayyum Commission, which ordered that: " Wasim Akram MUST be removed from the post of the captaincy of the national team. The captain of the national team should have a spot-less character and be above suspicion. Wasim Akram seems to be too sullied to hold that office." Hence he was fined and removed. Do you Wasim Saqib understand what it means? And do you think that a person who is deemed to be maligned, suspicious, charged, fined and removed from the post of a captain to lead the national team can be re-appointed as a national coach? You must be dreaming my friend. Ask the law student he will explain you the meaning of outlaw!

    As regards my making fun of Waqar's English, it has nothing to do with my perception and my appreciation of Waqar Younus as a bowler or even Wasim Akram as a bowler. So, please don't assume that just because they were great bowlers hence they are above the law or perfect in every respect. And just because I have pin pointed their weaknesses in a few things that doesn't mean I cannot appreciate their talent or their performance?

    ramesh, what you've said in your post is your perception and there will always be difference of opinion and I still reckon that Shane Warne's ball of the century is over rated, exaggerated because, imo a wrist leg spinner cannot make the ball turn two yards or six feet! That is impossible, it could be a yard but, there is also a possibility that it was a 'one time fluke', there could be a rough patch or a small stone that made the ball turn that much. But, Wasim Akram did that twice and that too in the final of the World Cup, Warne and Akhtar did that in Ashes series and Asia Cup, which is not the same as World Cup final. I do remember Shoaib Akhtar clean bowled Tendulkar and Dravid it was sheer speed, but Wasim was better he was the king of swing bowling.

    rext next time, rather "nay-kast" tame try to blab when you are not drunk or when you are more awake and sober 'coz you appear very incoherent with grief and hardly able to express your woe and your sorrows, its such a pity that it appears I have touched your raw nerve and that too from the wrong end. I am what I am, and I am real and also display my name of the city and the country where I live and, it is also obvious from my posts that I have a lot of feelings for Pakistan. But you don't even have the guts to put a real name or the place of your "painDOaish" 'coz you are afraid that someone might call you a "whateverDo" which you think is a taboo!

    khansahab for no reason tusi ina noo Bhutt ditta, chalo khair. Butt, it was too good and pls add some more to your glossary of words like, when it is supposed to be "support" it is "sport" and vice versa. Our new Pra on the blog, Muhammad Asaf congratulated his girayeen from Khanewal, and wrote the word, "Kardar" first I thought he was referring to Abdul Hafiz Kardar, but then on second thought I realized oh, its Kirdaar or character. Pra Asaf if you are listening to my post, then listen it "vary carefooly", its not Kamran Abbassi's hand made jokes but, your machine made crackers are making us ROTFLOL. Carry on with your antics "gaye-boy" and with your uncouthness and crassness you look like a gudree ka laal, I mean a raw and uncut gem from "lower Punjab"!

    Aur rehi baat nazar ki tou:

    Har dil faraib cheez nazar ka ghubaar hai Nazrain haseen ho tou khizaan bhee bahaar hai

  • khansahab (A.A.Khan) on June 8, 2007, 0:19 GMT

    Wasim Bhai, It was really a Shoaib Malik interview and not a Shoaib Akhtar one; I did not confuse the two. It was aired on a satellite channel just prior to the series against India (when Pakistan won the ODI series 4-2 and drew the Tests 1-1) and was hosted by a presenter who currently presents a morning show on a popular Pakistani channel. Anyway Shoaib Malik was praising Tendulkar in that interview. I see a unique spark in Malik. I supported him to be captain (you might recall) over Afridi and Yousuf, after Younis declined captaincy. He is a gifted player and I hope he continues to perform and does not get blinded by greed and arrogance.

    I don’t mean to disapprove of everything you comment; please don’t feel that my rebuttals are personal attacks. When I was in Pakistan and I used to flick the channels, there were countless references to the “parosi mulak key kaafir” and how they are the enemies and bad people etc. I did not find the comparable allegations against Pakistan or Muslims in Indian movies. There have been a few Indian movies where I have been shocked at the language used for Pakistan and Muslims etc. but they are rather few. The problem is that we rely so heavily on Indian entertainment and media that we overlook the biases and faults present within our industries. But I do agree with you; a few Indian movies do portray a bias against Islam and Pakistan. But Wasim Bhai I have also seen many Indian films where Islam is portrayed as a religion of peace and Muslims are depicted as honest, pure and disciplined individuals. I could give you countless examples.

    As far as the coaching question goes, I have no reservations with Wasim giving tips to the pacers. Waqar is certainly the best choice for bowling coach. The only problem is how long the PCB wants his contract to be, because Waqar would want it to be a reasonably long contract whereas PCB would probably want it to be on their terms. In any I don’t think Nasim Ashraf will want Waqar back owing to their controversial feud.

    Dawar, I agree with you, it seems that Tendulkar only plays for himself. I was never discussing his pride for his country etc. I was only talking about his personal record which is phenomenal. Tendulkar’s record is pretty good around the globe and some of his best performances have been against the likes of McGrath/Warne and Allan Donald/Pollock. Warne said no one plays his bowling better than Tendulkar. Allan Donald was a fiery and egotistical pace bowler (much like all pacers who bowl with express pace) but I have seen him applaud Tendulkar when the latter played a shot towards midwicket for 4 when the ball pitched outside off-stump. I have never seen an express pacer applaud any batsman who has just hit him for a four. And let me reiterate that Tendulkar is not one of my favourite players, but as I said his class speaks for itself. To be frank with you, before Inzamam made that statement that he should still play Test cricket, I never thought he played only for himself and his personal records. But that presumption is difficult to negate given the fact that being the chief architect of the World Cup debacle, he has had the (lack of) shame to confess he still wants to play Tests.

    Javed Bhai, Nice post about our Khanewal friend (or should I say “FIEND”). You can see the class of Pollock, the way he played his innings against Asia’s best (available) bowlers. I was only dreading what would happen if it would have been an Asia XI vs South Africa. I reckon South African’s are so bloody good, they would have ripped Asia XI apart especially since the latter did not have Murali, Vaas, Dravid and Shoaib Akhtar.

  • Dawar, LA USA on June 7, 2007, 18:34 GMT

    For khansahab & Wasim

    Two things are common in both Inzi & Endulkar. Both play for the records (current example, Inzi wanted to come back to the test cricket to score 20 runs more to cross great Javed Miandad Pakistan highest runs score record). He knows very well his fitness level and his age. He is not able to stand in the field for whole five days or even whole complete day.

    Second common thing in both they both are loin in their soil, especially against weak bowling site and fox in the foreign soil. Tendulkar is little better than Inzi at foreign soil, esp. in the past. But not any more he performed at foreign soil well.

    Please remember: Inzi cried like a sad boy who lost his ……... in his last one day inning, he did not say his general statement that this is all from ALLAH, this is my last inning .... I am ok etc.

    But when Pakistan lost against Ireland, he did not cry at all and he said this all defeat and win come from Allah, so I am ok.

    This is a proof of "Lack of sportsman ship spirit".

    Thanks GOD he gone from the cricket team. It was a dark time under captain ship for our cricket.

    Dawar LA, USA

  • Dawar, LA USA on June 7, 2007, 16:47 GMT

    Good analysis by JAVED A. KHAN, from MONTREAL, CANADA.

    Dawar LA USA

  • ramesh on June 7, 2007, 14:57 GMT

    This is for Javed A Khan....Mr Khan you have tried your level best to dump shane warne magic delivery that he bowled to getting but the reality is what that it is, it realy was a ball of the century. When i saw it first time i couldnt belive my eyes....A ball that realy turned a mile completely bamboozelled the batsmen...One just cant feel the same way about wasim akrams 2 bowls that you explained later in your "Epic" saga comment. In fact the 2 bowls of the highest quality that I ever seen from a fast bowler were bowled by shoaib akhtar & that too back to Back when his futile reverse swinging yorkers took away 2 of the most correct batsmen ever Sachin Tendulkar & rahul Dravid. Those were realy breathtaking balls...

  • khansahab (A.A.Khan) on June 7, 2007, 14:36 GMT

    Inzamam not being in the conditioning camp is a welcome move. If Inzamam continues to play in Tests I know we have a dependable player in the line-up, but we must have a firm system of retribution whereby individuals who have committed grievous errors and have cost the country a lot should face the consequences. This should not only apply to captains who have deprived us of the World Cup. It should also apply to players who cannot focus on their form and consistency.

    It is strange Wasim Bhai spoke about Mahesh Bhatt in such a bitter way when Mahesh Bhatt seems to be a liberal Indian who wants to strengthen relations with Pakistan (I have not read whether his new movie shows that Pakistani players were involved in the Woolmer death so I cannot comment on that) . He had a good friendship with Nusrat Fateh and Noor Jehan. He has also opened the doors of Bollywood for the undeserving Meera, the “star” Pakistani actress. His movie flopped because of Meera and other factors, but Meera benefited from media exposure, fame as well as money as a result of her debut movie. By the way, “Bhatts” in India and “Butts” in Pakistan are the same race. Not many people know about this, but when the “Bhatts” moved into the present day Punjab in present day Pakistan, they began to be pronounced as “Butts” as the Punjabi people in present day Punjab in present day Pakistan had trouble pronouncing “Bh” (like they have a problem with pronouncing “Dh” as in pronouncing “Dhoka” as “Doka” and pronouncing “qeema” as “keema” etc). So the “Bhatt” people became “Butt”. Hence Salman Butt is really “Salman Bhatt”. It is a bit like how you have Hindu and Muslim “Patels” and “Shahs”. You would also have Hindu and Muslim “Bhatts” but for the pronunciation glitch by Punjabis, so “Bhatts” became “Butts”.

    Younis had an excellent first match for Yorkshire but has been subdued after that. It is really disgraceful to notice that Pakistan’s star batsman and “future captain” is not managing to perform with the bat. Let us face it, if you disregard the matches he has played against India, he is merely a “good batsman” but not in the league of Yousuf or Inzamam. I don’t think the fact that Yousuf and Inzamam are more experienced than him has anything to do with his record; he has been playing for 7/8 years now and that is a sufficient period of time for someone to display his best talents against all teams. Whilst I support the “rule” that Pakistanis reserve their best for when they play against India, they can never touch “greatness” until they perform accordingly against other teams too.

    I am looking forward to this forthcoming ODI vs India. It would be really interesting to see Malik’s fighting spirit in that match. I think Afridi should be sent as opener in that match because he performs best against India when he opens. Perhaps Butt and Afridi should be sent as openers but Yousuf and Malik must bat after them, so that our top and early middle order is strengthened. Shoaib Akhtar may not be fully fit for that match but I think the pace combination of Asif, Rao and Gul would be a formidable one. I just hope we don’t see Razzaq in that match and instead see someone who has fighting spirit.

  • Awas on June 7, 2007, 13:10 GMT

    It seems coaches are falling over to get a job as India’s coach and can’t help praising India and feeling honoured for merely been considered. Graham Ford feels “deeply honoured”, John Emburey is running over there for and interview and coaches like Dav Whatmore are openly asking for it. But when it comes to Pakistan it’s the complete opposite. The statements coming from the likes of Steve Rixon are evident. Even Sri Lanka is a desirable proposition for these coaches.

    So what is it about Pakistan? Is it the country’s image or the death of Bob Woolmer? A bit of both perhaps.

  • Jamie on June 7, 2007, 11:28 GMT

    My American friends say thus when they completely agree with what I say: Word

    If I may offer a slightly more colloquial English version, "Bloody well right!"

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 7, 2007, 10:55 GMT

    Today's news on cricinfo that, "Police claim new information on Woolmer's death", check link below: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/woolmer/content/current/story/297181.html

    It goes on to prove that neither the Jamaican Police, nor the Pathologist Ere Sheeshaiah are willing to give up and only they know what they are up to and what is the point of digging the grave of the deceased? The Police commissioner says; they are studying a new material, I hope its not a tomahawk, or is it a tomahawk cruise missile that killed Woolmer? I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with any new story. In any case to save themselves from further embarrassment they should bury the hatchet and let this issue to rest in peace. In any case, the comedy of errors by the Jamaican Police and the 'disgustipatingly' Pathetic Pathologist is reaching its climax. So, lets see whether it ends here or we see a foot note saying this is not the end of the episode but, its the end of a season finale! Probably, the idea behind this case is - Bob Woolmer is dead but keep the World Cup spirits alive in Jamaica, but thats poor thinking.

    There is another interesting battle of words going on between the PCB chief Nasim Ashraf and Senator Enver Beg, both of them are threatening each other that they will sue each other. Its like, 'two dead men woke up in the middle of the night, back to back they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other.' Neither of them are going to do anything except for creating an ugly scene while the media will exploit every bit of their meaningless, farcical and endless duel.

    And, another one in England which is not a duel but, a slip of the tongue and then a cover up! Or should I call it: jeux de mots or play on words, which Michael Vaughn is trying to play with "Fredalo" or Flintoff, and is unable to clean his own mess. He may have got the benefit of doubt decision in his favour by the umpire for a run out i.e., if he was playing during the 70's and 80's, but today we have new technology i.e., we have hawk-eye, so that you cannot deny; and then we also have the old tape recorders that can record the golden words which may elude the sharpest of ears, but not the recording, they may be spoken once, but they can be heard as many times as you like. That is why they say its prudent to think first and then speak.

    Its interesting to see how Michael Vaughn has dented Flintoff's image further by highlighting his drinking binge during the WC at the Caribbean and then denying it later by saying; he did not utter his name at all and was actually talking about his own performance! The recordings of his interview confirmed he did mention his name "Fredalo" and not once but, twice. Whether Vaughn actually paid for the lunch to cool off the angry Flintoff or he got a flurry of furious bouncers and yorkers from him at the restaurant, for sure we won't be knowing about this. But, it looks like Vaughn was trying to drill a last nail in the captaincy coffin by burying Flintoff under that heap of the Caribbean dirt which already cost Freddy a lot in the battle of retaining his captaincy.

  • rext on June 7, 2007, 8:29 GMT

    I just love reading Javed A. Khan's posts on this blog. He is a man of great courage, few would be prepared to put their pomposity and ignorance on record for all to see. At least he doesn't claim to be an expert in the English language as his use of it is appalling. I suspect that the size of his ego is in inverse proportion to the size of his "manhood"! Though he chooses to live in a Western Country and take advantage of all the benefits that offers, he is the worst kind of racist in that he slanders his adopted Country, and the Country of his birth. He is obviously an Accountant or Banker based on his total lack of original thought and as the old joke goes "What does an accountant or banker use for contraception?" Answer: His personality!! Keep it up Javed! If all the village idiots started their own village, you would be the village idiot!!

  • WASIM SAQIB on June 6, 2007, 23:27 GMT

    KHANSAHAB:

    Its strange that you didn't found an overwhelming bias and a heinous attempt to incriminate Pakistani Team in Bob Woolmers murder by Indian Media.Several Players including Inzimam condemned Indian Media for the role they played,all the King pins of match fixing are from India and every controversy regarding match fixing had an Indian involved in it yet they tried their best to show the world that every thing is happening out of Pakistan.

    I know as traditional rivals to hold some bias is natural but to implicate and try to declare our players as murderers was a bit too much.

    The interview you mentioned about, I think you meant shoaib Akhtar and not shoaib Malik. Almost every Pakistani bowler has praised Sachin recently somebody asked Waqar younis who do you think is a better batsman Inzimam or Sachin he gave a straight forward reply "sachin".I myself rate Sachin better than Inzi, having a desire that an opposing star batsman fails or overrating your own player over an opposing batsman is completely different than from trying to implicate the opposing team in a murder conspiracy,that is as cheap as it can be.

    Look at their movies these days every villain by default is a muslim,and what do you think that Mahesh Bhatt was going to show in his movie, nothing but a whole bunch of BS about Pakistan. They have gone to an extent that recently Akshay Kumar and John Abraham demanded a change in script as it contained unnecessary offensive content against Pakistan,their own people think that Indian Media is crossing the limits.

  • WASIM SAQIB on June 6, 2007, 21:36 GMT

    JAVED A KHAN:

    You need to read Wasim Akram’s statement again, you are the one who is assuming, and reading between the lines, please stop twisting the facts, no where in his statement Wasim Akram demanded any money for himself, and even if he does in future he has every right to do so, “there are no free lunches” as you said.

    First you were against a coach, then you proposed Javed Miandad’s name in one of your Post in the last thread,(who I presume will do the Job free, Btw, he is the most greedy one out there).

    After stating that the team does not need a coach you took a complete turn and criticized the 20 day camp and termed it for secondary school and stated it was too short to be beneficial for anybody. Ok am I missing something here, on one hand you think that the players already know a lot and they don’t need any help, on the other hand you think a 20 day camp is too short for anybody to learn. These are conflicting statements. You should know that these guys do not have to be taught the basics of cricket, all they need is somebody with a lot of experience who can polish their existing skills and take them to another level. You don’t need a year round camp for that.

    You have already spoken against the hiring of a foreign coach something on which we both agree, but now when a local coach is given an assignment first you write a tribute in his praise and then you start scanting criticism about him being too money minded, you and DAWAR also quoted the Qayum report, I think both of you need to read the Qayum report all over again it does not prohibits Wasim from taking a coaching Job in any way. After having ridiculed Waqar in the last two threads suddenly you had a change of heart and you want to see him as a coach now instead of Wasim. Please stop flip flopping.

    As far as my remarks against the Indian Media are concerned like every other Pakistani I was offended by their heinous campaign against our players, if you have no problem with it that’s your prerogative I am entitled to my opinion, and you must not forget you requested Kamran to write about all this Dhandli Baazi. As far as Sarfraz is concerned he has lost his mind, he is a loose cannon, I don’t consider everybody from my city or province as my Idol unlike you guys.

    In your last post you criticized the inclusion of Yousaf over Afridi in the Afr-Asia cup, strangely you had no problem with Afridi's 1:10 success ratio but you were too worried about Yousaf's failure, again a case of clear Bias and favoritism. Btw Yousaf played well hope you enjoyed his innings, if you were watching.

    Bowlers all over the world value the advice from Wasim Akram but only Javed A khan thinks he is not the right choice for Pakistan because he might ask for a paid Job. If we continue to ridicule our heroes just to satisfy our own ego then I think nobody will do any thing positive for Pakistan Cricket in future, we should stop spreading this negative Karma, and be supportive of the team and should appreciate those ex-players who come forward to help this young Pakistani team.

    when Javed Miandad was coaching was he doing it free? Or Bob woolmer was coaching for free? Wasim Akram or Waqar Younis are the Ideal candidiates for coaching our young fast bowlers, there is no question about it,Waqar because of his altercation with PCB might not be considered for coaching under the present management so wasim is the best option left.PCB should start a fast bowling Academy and they can easily get a sponsor for such an academy and they should use all the Ex fast bowlers including my Girayeen (Sarfraz Nawaz) in it.PCB should pay these guys well and should monitor their performance strictly. I think either you are confused or you like argument for the sake of argument,first you wrote a tribute to Wasim Akram and then you started criticizing him,then again you wrote that Musharaf should let the Americans or the brits to run the country,and when a local coach is given an assignment you for no reason started criticizing him,then again you wrote that you agree with Afridi and Rameez Pakistan team does not need a coach,

    Dawar and others please read the Qayum report again before you quote it,it does not in any way restrict Wasim Akram from taking up a coaching Job.

  • Muhammad Asif on June 6, 2007, 19:24 GMT

    Mustajab Ali, Its very nice to listen from someone belonging to lower punjab. I do say welcome you. Thanks to Kamran who entertains us with our own hand-made jokes, its a different story whether they are relevent or irrelevent. And last but not least, Phavey Kuttnee ka kardar bhi to kisi ko ada karna hai na! Yeh gaoon ki jaan hoti hai aur har ek per us kee nazar hoti hai, khasoosan larkiyon per.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 6, 2007, 17:17 GMT

    The first ODI ended as per expectation but Shuan Pollock salvaged and redeemed the African XI pride by scoring a brilliant 130. Pollock is a bowling all-rounder and he did not bowl a single ball in this match for whatever reasons, imagine if he had bowled and taken a few key wickets, which he normally does and with his ton, the match would have been in their pocket. Asif and Zaheer Khan bowled well and wrecked their top order but Pollock played the pivotal pillar role and he deserves to the man of the match. Finally Mohammad Yousuf scored and thank goodness he made runs, I was getting worried about his form. I have a feeling that Asia XI will win 3-0.

    Awas and khansahab thanks for taking care of the 'petite nit-wit' from Khanewal, actually I did not even notice his blabber. I think he is one of those lonely duddoos who must be waiting for the Mansoon rains to come so that he can croak and moan and get a response from his mate. imo he has been living abroad, a regular on this blog but using a different nick to vent out his anger! Pra Mustajab Hussain Taararr jee, tussi lussi peo tay rubree khao aur jaan banao, angrezi ich jaan na khapao.

    Ps. faisal at June 6, 2007 1:22 PM, I think those are the best comments Kamran Abbassi has ever received as a journalist, well said, keep it up.

  • faisal on June 6, 2007, 13:22 GMT

    Kamran...... well said. i totally agree with you

  • Awas on June 6, 2007, 12:55 GMT

    I just read the news that Inzamam has not been included in the conditioning camp. Perhaps for the moment its better that way. It’s not necessary to indulge in non cricketing activities whilst playing for Pakistan.

    Mustajab Ali From Khanewal, Pakistan

    Isn’t that just jealousy what you said about JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA? There is no doubt his cricketing acumen is better than some on this blog. Anyway, what have you said, if at all, about cricket in your comments to claim that “they don’t even know what they are talking about”? And about the “language skills”, it is an ability and a blessing to express ones thoughts into words. Not everyone can do that. Some can’t even express themselves in their own language.

  • khansahab on June 6, 2007, 11:08 GMT

    Wasim Bhai,

    I understand what you are saying but I still don’t think Indian media holds a special bias against Pakistan. They probably do have a slight bias but not an overwhelming bias. I don’t think we should let *our* natural biases get in the way of a reasonable assessment of issues. I am a keen observer of Indian media and I noticed that they spoke in favour of Pakistan during the Oval Test fiasco. The Indian media rattled Greg Chappell’s life by constant criticism. Look at the way they treat their own citizens. They absolutely rip apart their politicians and showbiz personalities, unlike Pakistan where “baray log” have a special status and are above the law as well as the media. I mentioned earlier that the Indian media thrives on propaganda and although I don’t support it, I don’t think there is an overwhelming bias against anyone.

    I remember a few years ago I was watching Shoaib Malik’s interview on a Pakistani channel. He was about to depart to India for a series. Callers on the show told him to get Tendulkar out cheaply. He just started praising Tendulkar saying that he is one the best batsmen he has bowled at. I was surprised to know hear that the host of the show and callers told him sternly not to praise Tendulkar. Pakistanis are a bit too sensitive about Tendulkar. Especially when he is compared with Inzamam. :-) I remember as a child I was biased and had a special bias against Tendulkar. I just did not want him to score. But now that I have attained a level of maturity I can see his class and his record speaks for itself, although he is not amongst my favourite batsmen. My favourite batsmen are Saeed Anwar, Ponting, Dravid and Graham Thorpe.

  • khansahab on June 6, 2007, 9:55 GMT

    Mustajab Ali from Khanewal,

    "Jee" I don't know whether your comment is directed towards me as well or solely Javed Bhai.

    We do not consider ourselves as "intellectual" and we have no intention to show off our language skills. Mr Abbasi's English is also impeccable; would you reserve the same sentiments for him?

    By the way "jee" we were all born in Pakistan, so we are not "foreign born" or as you stated in your comment, "forigen** born".

    "Jee" you should know Mr Abbasi will give you clearance if you post your comment in Urdu (or Punjabi). Why don't you do that instead of lambasting our comments?

  • Rahat Minhas on June 6, 2007, 3:57 GMT

    We must look at these matches with positive thinking from the perspective of Pakistani players, they wont be playing till september 2007.At this stage of inactivity they would be learning some special skills. The new captain is also gaining great experience, young Pakistani team will also get to know each other and even getting to know the top foreign players with whom they are teaming up by observing their attitude & behaviours.This social interaction is also part of the practical learning activity of every test cricketer as one day they will be competing with these foreign players.

    Secondly if its financially feasible why is this afro-asian series looks so faricial to anybody it should not matter as it brings in more money to cricket!!!Why should we assume that this money will be eaten by ICC top boses or anybody, we shouldnot be the judge and the exectioneer!!

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 6, 2007, 3:48 GMT

    The Afro-Asia twenty20 result was so predictable that even Saima bibi was able to predict the outcome of that match. In the ODI team selection, I wonder why Mohammad Yousuf is included in the team? He is above all this farcical antics being made by the promoters and organizers of this festival match, like Tendulkar and a few others he should have declined and stayed away from this tournament. In lieu of Yousuf they should have picked up Shahid Afridi, not that I support him which of course I do, but he would have really entertained the crowd there. Even if he gets out cheaply as you all say, he would have still maintained his reputation of 10:1 equation. Whereas for Mohammad Yousuf it would be really bad to get his image tarnished if he continues to get out cheaply. He hasn't done anything significant during and after the WC. He needs a kit-kat.

    Wasim Saqib, please don't defend Wasim Akram just for the sake of defending him by saying, "When he spoke about making a fast bowling fund I think he had no Idea how a fund works." Pls. stop thinking on his behalf, 'coz he is not such a Bhola. In fact he knows the difference between a fund and a dund. Also, he knows very well which side of the bread he needs to butter. And LOL at your naivety that; if more of such funds were allocated, then the players who attended the camp were deprived of TA - DA this wouldn't have happened! You mean to say if they create a " £.u.n.d." in future at his request, who do you think would be managing it? Obviously, the same old PCB sockers! Whether there is any fund or no fund, if the PCB wants to pay them their allowances it shouldn't be any problem innit. About your stance on blaming the bookies or shoving up that script in Mahesh Bhatt's dash dash, pls. take a look at your "Girayeen Sarfaraz Nawaz's 32 feet long Zambeel, which needs some flushing too!" Sarfaraz was the first person to open his lid to splatter the stench like a skunk and talked about the bookies involvement in Bob Woolmer's case. I think he is also one of your idols, am I right?

    I agree with your comment that, neither volunteer work nor money earned as a professional is a crime. In fact thats what I have been saying and you are negating your own statement now. BUT the reason Wasim Akram cannot be an official coach for Pakistan is something else and, our fellow blogger Dawar LA USA in his post of June 4, 2007 4:59 PM in the previous thread has highlighted the facts that: "Only Wasim Akram support to hire forign coach. Pl note: Per justice Qayyum report Wasim Akram is not qualified for any position at PCB. So he knows well he can not be the coach of Pakistan cricket team." There you go, so after all I wasn't wrong when I said, there is something more than what meets the eye! Thank you Dawar for your contribution. And Saima, its good to see what you can see and what others cannot!

    Awas in my opinion there are two reasons the threads are getting thin. One, too much of cricket and nothing exciting is happening since the WC, obviously people are bored. Secondly, the holiday season has just begun and a lot of students have gone back home or busy doing something else. So, lets pretend that we are still here, and like others are pretending that they are not reading our posts 'coz they are not here! :-)

  • Mustajab Ali From Khanewal, Pakistan on June 5, 2007, 17:05 GMT

    Jee You are spot on. nobody cares about the results of afro-asia cup. its just another gimmick of ICC to grab some more money. I just need to make another point here. Can you please stop these arrogant wannabe intellectuals. who just come to this blog to show off there English language skills. they dont even know what they are talking about but you dont have to be an Einstein to know that they know nothing about cricket. please stop these forigen born self made stupids. they don't even deserve to comment on Pakistan cricket.Go talk about RED SOX or Liverpool.

  • Mazher Arshad on June 5, 2007, 15:19 GMT

    CC has given ODI Status to all matches of Afro-Asia Cup . 3 ODIs between Africa and Asia had already been played . This month both teams will play 3 more ODIs which will get status of International Cricket . Apart from Afro-Asia Cup , 3 Matches between Australia and ICC World XI ( Played in 2005 ) got International Status and one match between Asia XI and Rest of World XI ( That was Tsunami Appeal Match ) got International status as well .

    Question is , Do these kind of matches deserve status of International Cricket or not ? And if these matches deserve International Status then why these kind of tournaments are not organized properly ?

    In Asian Squad :Sachin Tendulkar , Chaminda Vass , Lasith Malinga , Kumar Sangakara were ruled out from International Matches without any legitimate reason . Playing English County can't be a excuse to discard yourself from International Matches but this excuse was adopted by Chaminda Vass and Kumar Sangakara .

    In African Squad : Graeme Smith , Jacques Kallis , Makhaya Nitini , Hrechell Gibbs are ruled out from African Squad without any proper reason . And Justin Kemp was given captaincy in presence of Shaun Pollock .

    These things clearly shows that players and boards are not serious about these matches of Afro-Asia Cup . Then why these matches are still given status of International Cricket ?

    ICC should not ruin the taste of International Cricket and should immediately take back status of International Cricket from all matches of Afro-Asia Cup .

    Moreover , There was another, non-serious , match played couple of years ago between Asia XI and Rest of the World XI ( i.e Tsunami Appeal Match ) . Shane Warne who had announced retirement from International Cricket was called back in that match . Glenn McGrath who never batted at no. 8 position was sent for batting at no. 6 and Stepehen Fleming , Mathew Hayden , Daneil Vettori , Shane Warne got the chance for batting after the great Glenn McGrath.

    Taking all these under consideration , ICC should get serious about status of these kind of matches and immediately take some action on these kind of matches . If ICC still wants to give International Status to these kind of matches then there should be a proper way to organize these kind of matches . There should be proper team selection , Best available players should be in these kind of matches , Cricket should be given priority over money . I am happy with ICC in one matter only i.e At least Twenty-20 Match between Africa and Asia is not given status of International Cricket .

  • WASIM SAQIB on June 5, 2007, 15:16 GMT

    KHANSAHAB:

    Its true that Indian media was not alone in its efforts to malign Pakistani Cricketers,the whole western media was also with them,but Indian Media was far more aggressive and blunt,it seemed as if from day one they knew it was a murder and Pakistani cricketers were involved in it,the whole world knows Mumbai is the capital of all the match fixing and all the king pins of the match fixing world are from India,but they way some of their channels ran documentries which were full of BS was a pathetic attempt to malign Pakistan and was an attempt to show the world that all the match fixing is carried out from Pakistan and not India. Untill a few days ago the news were that Mahesh Bhatt a prominent Indian Movie producer was going to make a movie On Bob woolmers death and in the script reportedly,Pakistani cricketers were shown involved in the murder.I think now Mahesh Bhatt should shove that script up in his......

    Javed- Neither volunteer work is a crime nor to make money from one's profession is a crime.Wasim Akram is not available yet,for a full time job because of his other commitments,so if in the meantime if he is helping the bowlers in his free time, voluntarily, I dont see any problem in it. When he spoke about making a fast bowling fund I think he had no Idea how a fund works,he clearly stated that the proposed fund will pay for the training of Young fast bowlers whether at home or in Australia.We all saw how the players complained that they didnt recieved any TA/DA from PCB while they were at the camp,if more funds are allocated towards the development of young cricketers then such problems will not arise in future. PCB should make a fast bowling Academy and should employ our former fast bowlers,they dont even have to generate the funds internally all they need is a sponsor.

  • Muhammad Asif on June 5, 2007, 13:45 GMT

    I don't agree with you that its the greed responsible for the fall of cricket. Its the market-oriented world, where we are living, money has to come anyway. The root-cause is mismanagement, i.e., you totally ignored one key element responsible for the rise of any game, on-ground spectators. Just think of the matches played between India & Pakistan without spectators, if ever you would like to see it on TV. Never Ever. You will have to bring back " Chaha Cricket", if you wanna see the colorful cricket. And its not impossible. ICC can even sell the rights of inclosures to sponsors, with only one condition, i.e., it should be full house. they can give hats, shirts for there advertisement to spectators.

  • Awas on June 5, 2007, 13:30 GMT

    The Afro-Asia cup in definitely a complete non-event and an exercise in futility. There is interest in a match only when your own country is being represented, otherwise it becomes pointless by going through the motions as there is no motivation other than earning a few bobs. The lack of interest applies to players and supporters alike. Wasn’t this cup a brainchild of Jagmohan Dalmia for another money spinning exercise? A useless event that serves no purpose whatsoever. Should be disbanded just like the other useless event of a world eleven playing against the world champions which turned out to be a complete damp squib at the end, after such a hype.

    My two postings on the previous thread were inexplicably blocked by Kamran Abbasi. Looking at the numbers of postings these days, the threads are looking rather thin these days. Have other people experienced the same? I would have preferred to see my postings edited rather than rejected so that I knew what was wrong as I am still confused as to what actually I said was wrong.

  • Saima on June 5, 2007, 13:06 GMT

    After reading this thread and the responses, i am beginning to feel that some people are still mourning Bob ankle's death. We need to get over with it and move ahead, q. k. sitaraon kay agay jahan aur bhi hain. Across the border our neighbours are also in the same boat fishing for a coach in the international waters and they are paddling faster than us in throwing baits and nets and also in rejecting a big fish. Now they have rejected Dav Whatmore, so the question is what more can Pakistan do? Give him an offer he cannot refuse and pursue him to come to Pakistan's Lords and start coaching? My two cents are for a local coach and I don't want the govt. to spend any zar-e-mubadla on such useless, thankless and stupendous issues and what more do you want from a couch potato like Dav? if I am not mistaken its gavaskar who pointed out his cowchiness or couchiness or slackness in not providing tactical knowledge to the ole bangla tiger (captain) when he needed it most. i wonder if that is the reason India has discarded him? but it does make sense. I was hoping they telecast the asia / africa women 20/20 match live esp. to see our asian sis routed the africans and i predict the same kind of result when our men folks play later. Mr Abbassi, the caption below malcolm speed's picture is a question that you are posing right? malcolm in that picture is appearing so tight lipped is itself an answer to ur question. talking about picture, i have read on this blog a few times someone criticizing your picture in the red shirt and asking you to change it. I dont see anything wrong in it, it adds colour to your gray hair, i mean dyed hair. Finally, I would like to say a big 'wow' at the descriptive details on wasim akram's bowling by javed khan. also, i'ld like to say thanks to him for the link. its a shame how people change for money and i know i am hurting someone or may be a few on this blog by agreeing to what he has said coz me too, i have similar views on wasim's approach.

  • Shahzad Arif on June 5, 2007, 8:02 GMT

    I totally agree with you Mr. Abbassi. I don't see the logic for organising such a meaningless tournament. Why would Int'l players even bother to participate in such a low profile tournament? As you said who cares if Asia beats Africa or vice versa? Why isn't ICC learning from their mistakes? I'm glad the biggest sponsor of the tournament pulled itself out to make things even worst for the ICC because that would teach them a good lesson in the future. Players are human being like all of us and they need rest and I'm sure they like spending time with their families as much as we do so someone from India or Pakistan won't bother spending a day to travel to Africa for a meaningless tournament and another day to get back to his home!

  • Robert on June 5, 2007, 7:47 GMT

    This really is a joke. The African side is no where near what it could be. Hell half the players aren't even regualars for their countries.

    Okay, so some positives can be gained. A handfull of players that wouldn't be given a chance might now have the opertunity to play on the big(er) stage. But does anyone really care?

    Pointless I say... pointless!

  • rajiv on June 5, 2007, 6:52 GMT

    DPMD Jayawardene (captain) 2. MS Dhoni (wicketkeeper) 3. Harbhajan Singh 4. ST Jayasuriya 5. SL Malinga 6. Mohammad Asif 7. Mohammad Rafique 8. Mohammad Yousuf 9. VSehwag 10. Mashrafe 11. SR Tendulkar 12. WU Tharanga 13. WPUJC Vaas 14. Yuvraj Singh.... the one day squad for asia...im not so sure y u said asia cant muster its 1st choice players...most of them in this line up should be....name ur asian team plz

  • Ashfaq Shah on June 5, 2007, 6:33 GMT

    Yawnnn.......................! Thats what i feel about this epic contest.

  • Ravi from OZ on June 5, 2007, 6:02 GMT

    Dear Kamran,

    As far as I'm concerned, the soul of cricket doesn't exist anymore. How can it with Greed/Money/Power dictating the game?

    Sometimes I watch it as a bad comedy or as a bad reality show. Let dog eat dog.

  • Dawar on June 5, 2007, 5:54 GMT

    The real killer of Bob Woolmer is our cricket team performance.

    Our worst cricket defeat in any level of cricket. Strong Pakistan team lost against world cup weakest team Ireland.

    This was the real shock for any honest person who engaged with Pakistan cricket team.

    Our cricket team performance should be impeached.

    Dawar LA, USA

  • WASIM SAQIB on June 5, 2007, 5:47 GMT

    I have said it before and will say it again, the Indian doctor who did the first autopsy on Bob Woolmer his medical licence should be [b]revoked[/b], or at least a medical commission should investigate the basis on which he concluded his report.

    I think he was [b]motivated[/b] and may be pressured to report the way he did,it was a clear effort to insult Pakistan and its team, if it was an error of judgement which is admissable in medical profession to a certain extent, how many times they had to commit the same mistake,other than a Gun shot wound probably the jamaican police speculated and announced the cause of death in every other way possible.Its a shame, Pakistan Government or the foreign office should protest with the Jamaican authorities in the strongest way possible and should demand the termination of those who were involved in blowing up the scandal.

    The WC was designed for the Australian team to win and they won, ICC left no stone unturned to cripple Pakistani team before WC, the Oval fiasco,ban on Shahid Afridi and the doping scandal crippled the Pakistani team completely.Still no inquiry has been made by ICC as to why only Pakistan is getting pitches which are not worthy of ODI cricket, it was not a coincidence, these Australian Umpires and Officials at ICC think that no ethics or rules apply on them and they can get away with every thing,which is a shame.

    One thing which PCB needs to learn is how to Play its cards with ICC,We are one of the elite teams in the world,our players have following all over the world, people come to watch them,and ICC makes a lot of money from our team,if we play the financial card well then I strongly believe ICC will think twice before they mess with us. As far as the Afro Asian Cup is concerned I completely agree with Kamran nobody cares about this cup.

    Its high time that PCB should learn from its mistakes, we don’t need a foreign coach, PCB should learn to recognize and respect our own EX-players and should hire the new coaching staff domestically.

    [b]Javed A khan [/b]has criticized the camp held by Wasim Akram citing that “[b]Regarding the "Camp Akram" that ended, you can see already there are so many voices against it, because that camp wasn't simply a joke but, A BIG JOKE. That kinda camp sessions are OK for secondary school coaching. Its just like Jonty Rhodes giving a two week fielding stint and making Inzi, Yousuf, Kaneria and Razzaq world class athletes and sprinters.” [/b] On one hand we say we don’t need a coach on the other hand we think a 20 day camp is only good for secondary school, I think this a [b]“BIG JOKE”.[/b] We need to stop spreading this [b]negative Karma[/b] all the time if somebody is doing something good we need to appreciate it, so that others may also follow the suit. Whether he is volunteering or he is looking for a permanent role in shape of a paid job, regardless he is a great bowler and he might be able to help our young bowlers more than a third class Gora player. For some of us [b]“Ghar ki Murghi” is “Daal Bra-ber”[/b].I think it will not do any harm if he continues to help the young players, something is better than nothing, I don’t see a downside here.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 5, 2007, 2:36 GMT

    Kamran Abbassi; finally for goodness sake and for the benefit of cricket and for the well being of the infamous Pakistan team, which is always a victim of tragedies and controversies, you have done something good by creating a thread on the subject of Bob Woolmer's death. I have already written so much about it in the previous thread to vent out my anger against those who tried to create this into a mystery movie at the expense of Pakistan's team and I urged you to create a thread - Thank you for paying heed to my request, it will give our fellow bloggers a chance to vent out their feelings on that subject. And Dawar how can you blame Pakistan team on Woolmer's death or hold them responsible for his death? Death is inevitable its not in the hands of human beings, but Almighty. And it has nothing to do with the defeat. Death could also come when you are extremely pleased and over joyed! A Muslim does not believe in such things and relate someone's death to the consequences of someone else. Normally, your assessments and your calculations are right and I value them. So, I am sure you will re-think about what you wrote in your previous post.

    The other point Kamran Abbassi has raised in this thread is about the farcical Afro-Asia festival cricket, which he called it an Inter-Continental exercise in futility. In the words of "His Exile-lency" Nawaz Shareef I would like to say: " I am agree " :-) And Kamran you have said it better than anyone by saying: "this Afro-Asian car crash in a side street is as soulless as it gets." And as spineless as it looks without the key players on both sides. Therefore, I take the liberty of going slightly off topic and that is, after reading something more interesting on cricinfo today. So, please allow me to proceed further as it is in one way or the other related to how the cheap journalism goes about highlighting the mediocre to make it look like an star and undermining the excellence of a star to look below par!

    When you talk about anything extraordinary in cricket, as per the myth it ought to be either English or Australian by default and cannot be any other nation or country. The fact remains that England has never won any world cup, neither at home nor abroad. The closest they have reached near the cup was in Melbourne in 1992 and Pakistan shattered their hopes. The man responsible for shattering their dreams is Wasim Akram. He dented the psyche of the English players so much that they never recovered after that, in fact they couldn't rise in any other World Cup after that incident, just like the SA Chokers who always fail to rise for the big occasions. Australians performed very poorly at home in 1992, but they fought back in 1996 only to loose against the rising tide of the mighty Sri Lanka, who made an announcement to the world cricket that they are no more minnows but, World Champions.

    Since that defeat, Australia took it to heart and made it a very serious business and never looked back. Since 1999 they are World Champions and have done that three times in a row. Now, they love to boast about their past glories, performances, achievements and about their heroes. Their efforts in all those world cup winnings have been due to exceptional team work. After those wins they created a hero in Shane Warne, since they cannot recall any individual's solo effort who was able to steal the show like Wasim Akram did to make them proud or talk about. So, they went back in to 1993 era to create a legend from the Ashes series and this is how they talk about "The Ball of the Century," to praise Shane Warne.

    Quote "June 04, 1993

    Shane Warne's Ball of the Century. Mike Gatting usually tucked into bad spin bowlers with the same zeal he reserved for lunchtime buffets, and he can't have been too alarmed as a chubby, blond Australian leggie sidled up to bowl his first ball in an Ashes Test. It drifted lazily onto leg stump, then spat back a yard or two and clipped the top of off. The famous picture, of Ian Healy aahing and Gatting oohing, tells the story perfectly. The Wisden Almanack noted that "never, perhaps, has one delivery cast so long a shadow over a game, or a series". Australia won this Test by 179 runs, after England's hopes of a draw were dealt a fatal blow when Graham Gooch was out handled the ball on the final afternoon, and they went on to win the series 4-1. It did more than that, though - it was the ball that made wrist-spin sexy again, and England never really got over it." Unquote.

    This is the hype and much talked about ball in the entire history of the game of cricket and the reason is, because its between the two superior races in combat and, the hero is not "a tall blond" but, a chubby blond who holds the world record of highest number of wickets in test matches, at the expense of Muttaiah Murlidharan. So, he ought to be the best and the ball he bowled to Mike Gatting was the best ever in the history of the game! Just look at the way Mike Gatting has been praised in the same breath with accolades and appetizing adjectives on his tackling spin bowlers with the same zeal he reserved for lunch time buffets etc. But, no one talks about Mike Gatting's famous reverse sweep which was a reverse ending and a pathetic downfall to end his career and no one talks about his ugly finger raising incident with the umpire Shakoor Rana, followed by his cheesy encounter with the bar maid ... mais oui, c'est la vie.

    Look at the way they exaggerated Shane Warne's ball turning "A yard or two" as if the yard is a centimeter ? Its just like the tales of the legendary Nawab who hunted the biggest tiger in the world, and started to boast about it by saying it was 25 feet long and someone coughed, so he said, when I went near, it was like 23 feet long and someone else coughed, he said, when I approached nearer, it was kinda 20 feet long and someone else coughed, then he said, it was 18 feet long! Every time someone coughed and said, ahem, he would reduce it by a feet or two. BUT, he declared the length as 18 feet long and his colleagues started coughing again with ahem, ahem! The Nawab turned towards his friends and said, "Nothing can be done now, I have already measured it and declared it as 18 feet and cannot make it any shorter." So, Shane Warne's ball turned in a similar fashion "A yard or two," and cannot be altered or changed! Its been used just like an exaggerated expression in English language which cannot be changed and no one can question to that degree of exaggeration!

    In my opinion, the best ball ever in the history of the game or the best two balls of the Century were bowled in Melbourne at the MCG in the final of the 1992 World Cup were bowled by Wasim Akram. When Imran Khan brought in Wasim Akram in the 35th over, some experts raised their eyebrows at his decision and thought its too early to bring back the ace bowler for his next spell. Not much has been written by anyone on those two beauties. I reckon Wasim was in full cry, at the peak of his form, the way he ran up to the wicket is a sight that no one can ever emulate or create it with so much perfection - a lefty hiding the ball in his palm to deceive the batsman and making him guess whether its an inswinger or an outswinger? His every step was in style, every muscle in his body in total control and his speed and leap before delivering the ball could outshone a leopard or a cheetah. I have seen it on DVD quite a few times and every time I see, it reminds me of John Keats, "A thing of beauty is a joy forever!" Here is a link from u-tube, which is not the same as it is on a DVD, as it doesn't show the full run up and secondly the picture quality of u-tube is not that good, still its worth seeing to recollect those golden moments.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHC3Lqo7gWg

    The way he cleaned up Allan Lamb with an inswinging delivery which pitched way outside the line and came in to take off the the top of his off-stump was amazingly beautiful. And the ball which took the wicket of Chris Lewis was even better, he let the batsman think that its going the wrong way and it came in like a bullet and Lewis remained motionless, only to hear the sound of timber behind him, he couldn't believe his eyes that he was out for a ball that was going so far away from him and came in sharply. He appeared to be frozen for a few seconds, in total shock and dismay and must have been wondering as to how the ball came in? Wasim Saqib, this is how I would like to remember Wasim Akram as my hero for the 1992 World Cup and not the one who is out there to make money; "A droit ou tort," or "De bric et de broc" means ...... whichever way!

  • khansahab on June 5, 2007, 0:38 GMT

    Wasim Bhai,

    I don’t think it is apt solely to blame the Indian media. Indian media thrives on propaganda; I laugh at almost all of their presentations regarding sports and showbiz. Western media also projected the death as a murder with Inzamam and Mushtaq being involved. With the exception of the recent UK pathologist’s report that postulates that the death was due to heart failure, I have seen no other reports in the main pages of British media, that can hold out to be in Pakistan’s favour. Conversely, reports indicating that Woolmer was probably murdered by someone “close” to him (the crap about Mark Shields being so sure etc) were in the main pages and given much more prominence. That is bias if there ever was any. I wrote about this to the Times Editor asking for my comment to be published so that people can be aware of how biased the media is dealing with this issue, but they did not publish my comment unfortunately.

    I think what the government of Pakistan should do is to see if they have a case internationally to sue the Jamaican government for dealing with the matter so incompetently, unfairly questioning Pakistani cricketers at the inception of the investigation without reasonable proof, and generally dealing with the situation in such a way that made that global media suspicious of the involvement of Pakistanis with the death. I don’t know whether this latter point can classify as slander or not, but it is worth a try. The PCB might also have a case on behalf of Pakistani players who can complain they suffered undue stress and anxiety during the all-important World Cup owing to the suspicious and imposing behaviour of the authorities. I don’t know whether PCB has thought of this or not but they need to wait until globally it has become near certain that the death was natural, and then the PCB should strike whilst the iron is hot.

    I find it difficult to believe that the state of current medical science is so pitiful that there can be confusion as to the cause of one’s death, whether natural or not. If that is reality than we are really haven’t progressed much have we?

    I stated before in one of my posts that it remarkable Bob’s body was despatched to be cremated while his death was still being investigated. That is not how prudent authorities would deal with the matter. This makes the matter appear fishy.

    The ICC wants to change cricket into baseball. There way things are going now, are we going to see a situation in the next 10-20 years that Test cricket is finished and 10 over games are the norm? Why is the game becoming more and more batsman-friendly? All this craze with money will disillusion cricket’s core supporters like me whereas attract countries like USA, where cricket is at its inception.

    Pakistan have some spare time this year and I don’t know why more series are not being arranged. I think PCB should arrange a home series with one of the irregular sides. There will be crowd interest in that series firstly because of the victorious Abu Dhabi tour and secondly, there will be chance to see Pakistan perform strongly because they will be playing against a weak side. Of course there won’t be much of a competition, but at least Malik will gain experience (before being thrown into the deep end with tough series against India and Australia), the team morale will ameliorate and the fans will have reason to be entertained and pleased.

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  • khansahab on June 5, 2007, 0:38 GMT

    Wasim Bhai,

    I don’t think it is apt solely to blame the Indian media. Indian media thrives on propaganda; I laugh at almost all of their presentations regarding sports and showbiz. Western media also projected the death as a murder with Inzamam and Mushtaq being involved. With the exception of the recent UK pathologist’s report that postulates that the death was due to heart failure, I have seen no other reports in the main pages of British media, that can hold out to be in Pakistan’s favour. Conversely, reports indicating that Woolmer was probably murdered by someone “close” to him (the crap about Mark Shields being so sure etc) were in the main pages and given much more prominence. That is bias if there ever was any. I wrote about this to the Times Editor asking for my comment to be published so that people can be aware of how biased the media is dealing with this issue, but they did not publish my comment unfortunately.

    I think what the government of Pakistan should do is to see if they have a case internationally to sue the Jamaican government for dealing with the matter so incompetently, unfairly questioning Pakistani cricketers at the inception of the investigation without reasonable proof, and generally dealing with the situation in such a way that made that global media suspicious of the involvement of Pakistanis with the death. I don’t know whether this latter point can classify as slander or not, but it is worth a try. The PCB might also have a case on behalf of Pakistani players who can complain they suffered undue stress and anxiety during the all-important World Cup owing to the suspicious and imposing behaviour of the authorities. I don’t know whether PCB has thought of this or not but they need to wait until globally it has become near certain that the death was natural, and then the PCB should strike whilst the iron is hot.

    I find it difficult to believe that the state of current medical science is so pitiful that there can be confusion as to the cause of one’s death, whether natural or not. If that is reality than we are really haven’t progressed much have we?

    I stated before in one of my posts that it remarkable Bob’s body was despatched to be cremated while his death was still being investigated. That is not how prudent authorities would deal with the matter. This makes the matter appear fishy.

    The ICC wants to change cricket into baseball. There way things are going now, are we going to see a situation in the next 10-20 years that Test cricket is finished and 10 over games are the norm? Why is the game becoming more and more batsman-friendly? All this craze with money will disillusion cricket’s core supporters like me whereas attract countries like USA, where cricket is at its inception.

    Pakistan have some spare time this year and I don’t know why more series are not being arranged. I think PCB should arrange a home series with one of the irregular sides. There will be crowd interest in that series firstly because of the victorious Abu Dhabi tour and secondly, there will be chance to see Pakistan perform strongly because they will be playing against a weak side. Of course there won’t be much of a competition, but at least Malik will gain experience (before being thrown into the deep end with tough series against India and Australia), the team morale will ameliorate and the fans will have reason to be entertained and pleased.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on June 5, 2007, 2:36 GMT

    Kamran Abbassi; finally for goodness sake and for the benefit of cricket and for the well being of the infamous Pakistan team, which is always a victim of tragedies and controversies, you have done something good by creating a thread on the subject of Bob Woolmer's death. I have already written so much about it in the previous thread to vent out my anger against those who tried to create this into a mystery movie at the expense of Pakistan's team and I urged you to create a thread - Thank you for paying heed to my request, it will give our fellow bloggers a chance to vent out their feelings on that subject. And Dawar how can you blame Pakistan team on Woolmer's death or hold them responsible for his death? Death is inevitable its not in the hands of human beings, but Almighty. And it has nothing to do with the defeat. Death could also come when you are extremely pleased and over joyed! A Muslim does not believe in such things and relate someone's death to the consequences of someone else. Normally, your assessments and your calculations are right and I value them. So, I am sure you will re-think about what you wrote in your previous post.

    The other point Kamran Abbassi has raised in this thread is about the farcical Afro-Asia festival cricket, which he called it an Inter-Continental exercise in futility. In the words of "His Exile-lency" Nawaz Shareef I would like to say: " I am agree " :-) And Kamran you have said it better than anyone by saying: "this Afro-Asian car crash in a side street is as soulless as it gets." And as spineless as it looks without the key players on both sides. Therefore, I take the liberty of going slightly off topic and that is, after reading something more interesting on cricinfo today. So, please allow me to proceed further as it is in one way or the other related to how the cheap journalism goes about highlighting the mediocre to make it look like an star and undermining the excellence of a star to look below par!

    When you talk about anything extraordinary in cricket, as per the myth it ought to be either English or Australian by default and cannot be any other nation or country. The fact remains that England has never won any world cup, neither at home nor abroad. The closest they have reached near the cup was in Melbourne in 1992 and Pakistan shattered their hopes. The man responsible for shattering their dreams is Wasim Akram. He dented the psyche of the English players so much that they never recovered after that, in fact they couldn't rise in any other World Cup after that incident, just like the SA Chokers who always fail to rise for the big occasions. Australians performed very poorly at home in 1992, but they fought back in 1996 only to loose against the rising tide of the mighty Sri Lanka, who made an announcement to the world cricket that they are no more minnows but, World Champions.

    Since that defeat, Australia took it to heart and made it a very serious business and never looked back. Since 1999 they are World Champions and have done that three times in a row. Now, they love to boast about their past glories, performances, achievements and about their heroes. Their efforts in all those world cup winnings have been due to exceptional team work. After those wins they created a hero in Shane Warne, since they cannot recall any individual's solo effort who was able to steal the show like Wasim Akram did to make them proud or talk about. So, they went back in to 1993 era to create a legend from the Ashes series and this is how they talk about "The Ball of the Century," to praise Shane Warne.

    Quote "June 04, 1993

    Shane Warne's Ball of the Century. Mike Gatting usually tucked into bad spin bowlers with the same zeal he reserved for lunchtime buffets, and he can't have been too alarmed as a chubby, blond Australian leggie sidled up to bowl his first ball in an Ashes Test. It drifted lazily onto leg stump, then spat back a yard or two and clipped the top of off. The famous picture, of Ian Healy aahing and Gatting oohing, tells the story perfectly. The Wisden Almanack noted that "never, perhaps, has one delivery cast so long a shadow over a game, or a series". Australia won this Test by 179 runs, after England's hopes of a draw were dealt a fatal blow when Graham Gooch was out handled the ball on the final afternoon, and they went on to win the series 4-1. It did more than that, though - it was the ball that made wrist-spin sexy again, and England never really got over it." Unquote.

    This is the hype and much talked about ball in the entire history of the game of cricket and the reason is, because its between the two superior races in combat and, the hero is not "a tall blond" but, a chubby blond who holds the world record of highest number of wickets in test matches, at the expense of Muttaiah Murlidharan. So, he ought to be the best and the ball he bowled to Mike Gatting was the best ever in the history of the game! Just look at the way Mike Gatting has been praised in the same breath with accolades and appetizing adjectives on his tackling spin bowlers with the same zeal he reserved for lunch time buffets etc. But, no one talks about Mike Gatting's famous reverse sweep which was a reverse ending and a pathetic downfall to end his career and no one talks about his ugly finger raising incident with the umpire Shakoor Rana, followed by his cheesy encounter with the bar maid ... mais oui, c'est la vie.

    Look at the way they exaggerated Shane Warne's ball turning "A yard or two" as if the yard is a centimeter ? Its just like the tales of the legendary Nawab who hunted the biggest tiger in the world, and started to boast about it by saying it was 25 feet long and someone coughed, so he said, when I went near, it was like 23 feet long and someone else coughed, he said, when I approached nearer, it was kinda 20 feet long and someone else coughed, then he said, it was 18 feet long! Every time someone coughed and said, ahem, he would reduce it by a feet or two. BUT, he declared the length as 18 feet long and his colleagues started coughing again with ahem, ahem! The Nawab turned towards his friends and said, "Nothing can be done now, I have already measured it and declared it as 18 feet and cannot make it any shorter." So, Shane Warne's ball turned in a similar fashion "A yard or two," and cannot be altered or changed! Its been used just like an exaggerated expression in English language which cannot be changed and no one can question to that degree of exaggeration!

    In my opinion, the best ball ever in the history of the game or the best two balls of the Century were bowled in Melbourne at the MCG in the final of the 1992 World Cup were bowled by Wasim Akram. When Imran Khan brought in Wasim Akram in the 35th over, some experts raised their eyebrows at his decision and thought its too early to bring back the ace bowler for his next spell. Not much has been written by anyone on those two beauties. I reckon Wasim was in full cry, at the peak of his form, the way he ran up to the wicket is a sight that no one can ever emulate or create it with so much perfection - a lefty hiding the ball in his palm to deceive the batsman and making him guess whether its an inswinger or an outswinger? His every step was in style, every muscle in his body in total control and his speed and leap before delivering the ball could outshone a leopard or a cheetah. I have seen it on DVD quite a few times and every time I see, it reminds me of John Keats, "A thing of beauty is a joy forever!" Here is a link from u-tube, which is not the same as it is on a DVD, as it doesn't show the full run up and secondly the picture quality of u-tube is not that good, still its worth seeing to recollect those golden moments.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHC3Lqo7gWg

    The way he cleaned up Allan Lamb with an inswinging delivery which pitched way outside the line and came in to take off the the top of his off-stump was amazingly beautiful. And the ball which took the wicket of Chris Lewis was even better, he let the batsman think that its going the wrong way and it came in like a bullet and Lewis remained motionless, only to hear the sound of timber behind him, he couldn't believe his eyes that he was out for a ball that was going so far away from him and came in sharply. He appeared to be frozen for a few seconds, in total shock and dismay and must have been wondering as to how the ball came in? Wasim Saqib, this is how I would like to remember Wasim Akram as my hero for the 1992 World Cup and not the one who is out there to make money; "A droit ou tort," or "De bric et de broc" means ...... whichever way!

  • WASIM SAQIB on June 5, 2007, 5:47 GMT

    I have said it before and will say it again, the Indian doctor who did the first autopsy on Bob Woolmer his medical licence should be [b]revoked[/b], or at least a medical commission should investigate the basis on which he concluded his report.

    I think he was [b]motivated[/b] and may be pressured to report the way he did,it was a clear effort to insult Pakistan and its team, if it was an error of judgement which is admissable in medical profession to a certain extent, how many times they had to commit the same mistake,other than a Gun shot wound probably the jamaican police speculated and announced the cause of death in every other way possible.Its a shame, Pakistan Government or the foreign office should protest with the Jamaican authorities in the strongest way possible and should demand the termination of those who were involved in blowing up the scandal.

    The WC was designed for the Australian team to win and they won, ICC left no stone unturned to cripple Pakistani team before WC, the Oval fiasco,ban on Shahid Afridi and the doping scandal crippled the Pakistani team completely.Still no inquiry has been made by ICC as to why only Pakistan is getting pitches which are not worthy of ODI cricket, it was not a coincidence, these Australian Umpires and Officials at ICC think that no ethics or rules apply on them and they can get away with every thing,which is a shame.

    One thing which PCB needs to learn is how to Play its cards with ICC,We are one of the elite teams in the world,our players have following all over the world, people come to watch them,and ICC makes a lot of money from our team,if we play the financial card well then I strongly believe ICC will think twice before they mess with us. As far as the Afro Asian Cup is concerned I completely agree with Kamran nobody cares about this cup.

    Its high time that PCB should learn from its mistakes, we don’t need a foreign coach, PCB should learn to recognize and respect our own EX-players and should hire the new coaching staff domestically.

    [b]Javed A khan [/b]has criticized the camp held by Wasim Akram citing that “[b]Regarding the "Camp Akram" that ended, you can see already there are so many voices against it, because that camp wasn't simply a joke but, A BIG JOKE. That kinda camp sessions are OK for secondary school coaching. Its just like Jonty Rhodes giving a two week fielding stint and making Inzi, Yousuf, Kaneria and Razzaq world class athletes and sprinters.” [/b] On one hand we say we don’t need a coach on the other hand we think a 20 day camp is only good for secondary school, I think this a [b]“BIG JOKE”.[/b] We need to stop spreading this [b]negative Karma[/b] all the time if somebody is doing something good we need to appreciate it, so that others may also follow the suit. Whether he is volunteering or he is looking for a permanent role in shape of a paid job, regardless he is a great bowler and he might be able to help our young bowlers more than a third class Gora player. For some of us [b]“Ghar ki Murghi” is “Daal Bra-ber”[/b].I think it will not do any harm if he continues to help the young players, something is better than nothing, I don’t see a downside here.

  • Dawar on June 5, 2007, 5:54 GMT

    The real killer of Bob Woolmer is our cricket team performance.

    Our worst cricket defeat in any level of cricket. Strong Pakistan team lost against world cup weakest team Ireland.

    This was the real shock for any honest person who engaged with Pakistan cricket team.

    Our cricket team performance should be impeached.

    Dawar LA, USA

  • Ravi from OZ on June 5, 2007, 6:02 GMT

    Dear Kamran,

    As far as I'm concerned, the soul of cricket doesn't exist anymore. How can it with Greed/Money/Power dictating the game?

    Sometimes I watch it as a bad comedy or as a bad reality show. Let dog eat dog.

  • Ashfaq Shah on June 5, 2007, 6:33 GMT

    Yawnnn.......................! Thats what i feel about this epic contest.

  • rajiv on June 5, 2007, 6:52 GMT

    DPMD Jayawardene (captain) 2. MS Dhoni (wicketkeeper) 3. Harbhajan Singh 4. ST Jayasuriya 5. SL Malinga 6. Mohammad Asif 7. Mohammad Rafique 8. Mohammad Yousuf 9. VSehwag 10. Mashrafe 11. SR Tendulkar 12. WU Tharanga 13. WPUJC Vaas 14. Yuvraj Singh.... the one day squad for asia...im not so sure y u said asia cant muster its 1st choice players...most of them in this line up should be....name ur asian team plz

  • Robert on June 5, 2007, 7:47 GMT

    This really is a joke. The African side is no where near what it could be. Hell half the players aren't even regualars for their countries.

    Okay, so some positives can be gained. A handfull of players that wouldn't be given a chance might now have the opertunity to play on the big(er) stage. But does anyone really care?

    Pointless I say... pointless!

  • Shahzad Arif on June 5, 2007, 8:02 GMT

    I totally agree with you Mr. Abbassi. I don't see the logic for organising such a meaningless tournament. Why would Int'l players even bother to participate in such a low profile tournament? As you said who cares if Asia beats Africa or vice versa? Why isn't ICC learning from their mistakes? I'm glad the biggest sponsor of the tournament pulled itself out to make things even worst for the ICC because that would teach them a good lesson in the future. Players are human being like all of us and they need rest and I'm sure they like spending time with their families as much as we do so someone from India or Pakistan won't bother spending a day to travel to Africa for a meaningless tournament and another day to get back to his home!

  • Saima on June 5, 2007, 13:06 GMT

    After reading this thread and the responses, i am beginning to feel that some people are still mourning Bob ankle's death. We need to get over with it and move ahead, q. k. sitaraon kay agay jahan aur bhi hain. Across the border our neighbours are also in the same boat fishing for a coach in the international waters and they are paddling faster than us in throwing baits and nets and also in rejecting a big fish. Now they have rejected Dav Whatmore, so the question is what more can Pakistan do? Give him an offer he cannot refuse and pursue him to come to Pakistan's Lords and start coaching? My two cents are for a local coach and I don't want the govt. to spend any zar-e-mubadla on such useless, thankless and stupendous issues and what more do you want from a couch potato like Dav? if I am not mistaken its gavaskar who pointed out his cowchiness or couchiness or slackness in not providing tactical knowledge to the ole bangla tiger (captain) when he needed it most. i wonder if that is the reason India has discarded him? but it does make sense. I was hoping they telecast the asia / africa women 20/20 match live esp. to see our asian sis routed the africans and i predict the same kind of result when our men folks play later. Mr Abbassi, the caption below malcolm speed's picture is a question that you are posing right? malcolm in that picture is appearing so tight lipped is itself an answer to ur question. talking about picture, i have read on this blog a few times someone criticizing your picture in the red shirt and asking you to change it. I dont see anything wrong in it, it adds colour to your gray hair, i mean dyed hair. Finally, I would like to say a big 'wow' at the descriptive details on wasim akram's bowling by javed khan. also, i'ld like to say thanks to him for the link. its a shame how people change for money and i know i am hurting someone or may be a few on this blog by agreeing to what he has said coz me too, i have similar views on wasim's approach.