USA January 9, 2008

A depressingly familiar story of silence

Nine days after the deadline for the approval of the USA Cricket Association deadline and the association’s website remains dead
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Nine days after the deadline for the approval of the USA Cricket Association deadline and the association’s website remains dead. Results, promised shortly after the original deadline of December 27, have not been posted. While a short delay is understandable, it defies logic that counting a relatively few votes can take so long. It makes Kenya’s presidential elections look the model of efficiency.

While the timing of the result is not crucial, what is does do is raise serious concerns that what should be a brave new world is , in fact, a continuation of the old, unaccountable, inefficient and flawed one.

Only by making the results public immediately and scheduling the board elections, which must be within 30 days of that announcement, will the USACA show that it is serious about change.

Martin Williamson is executive editor of ESPNcricinfo and managing editor of ESPN Digital Media in Europe, the Middle East and Africa

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  • Member on January 14, 2008, 3:33 GMT

    Dear Mr. Williamson

    You wrote a beautiful and to the point summary on USACA. Honestly, Dainty will be relelected and a Calamity will set in. There are no 2 ways about it. This is a fact not a myth.

    He will be PRESIDENT for LIFE of USA,make no bones about it.

  • Construed info on USACA Website on January 13, 2008, 15:19 GMT

    the following appears on USACA website:

    The new USACA Constitution dated November 20, 2007 was ratified by a 74% to 26% majority vote by the eligible member clubs.

    Where in the world did they get 74% when only 14% of the voters voted and that too fraudulent votes. The 97 that did vote yes, all came from the current Directors who are all Dainty's men in cohert all seeking positions in the new executive.

    I say it is time to UNRECOGNIZE the current organization. ICC please note do not distribute funds, that is what they are after.

  • numbers are wrong on January 12, 2008, 18:01 GMT

    Mr. News Leaker these are the correct numbers 97 Yes, 39 No and 49 not counted - spoilt equals total votes 180 14% of USA voted there you go

  • Democrat on January 11, 2008, 21:42 GMT

    Mr. Dehring, if you are following this chat, is there any way for all the clubs to see which clubs voted, name of the club, location and which geographical structure do they belong to. Speaking to almost 50 personally that voted I know there has to be 50 clubs that says no....or you part of these corrupt management?

  • News leaker on January 11, 2008, 20:54 GMT

    I was right and my source was right. Only 160+ clubs voted out of 670+. what a shame. Out of which 74% voted yes that means 133 clubs voted yes.

    If you took all the illegal clubs that what it mounts to. Because of this the constitution is ratified. What a scary thought and what we all think about the existing organization.

    Now people what this means is. Elections will happen in 30 days and Dainty will be President again for "LIFE". It took them 12 days to count 160+ votes. What a rigger.

  • Adam Scholem on January 11, 2008, 19:37 GMT

    Isn't this why there was supposed to be an independent auditor to supervise the election? What has happened to him?

    As this cloak and dagger nonsense continues, I'm left wondering if there's a viable alternative which the leagues could offer to the ICC as the governing body for cricket in the US? What prevents a new structure being set up and presented to the world as a fiat accompli?

  • Leaking "NEWS" on January 11, 2008, 16:59 GMT

    Just found out out from a high ranking official that not enough ballots were received in Florida. Hence they did not want to publish the results, hence the delay. It would be a shame to publish the actual number of ballots.

    That is the secretly revealed "OFFICIAL WORD".

    This only proves that USA does not want the ratification and get rid of the old management.

  • njoylife on January 11, 2008, 16:56 GMT

    Mr. Coach55, Forget ICC, is out own body functional, which of the following you think is right,

    1) Not publishing result after 12 days of the elections, how many votes are there to count, some 200.

    2) In any of the national championship since last four years there is timely communication.

    3) Mr. President trying to be the big boss forever by manipulation some crappy executive.

    4) Inappropriate use of funds from ICC and never submitting reports back for the funds received to develop cricket.

    5) USA dropped to division 4.

    I can go on and on, do you have explanation to these, There is no ethic issue, issue is the dysfunctional and unorganized president and executives. Issue is not having ability to run an association. Explain this, the results are still not out and we all know it takes a little time get the votes from unexisting clubs and leagues.

    The only way cricket will grow in USA is get rid of this unorganized body that runs the association.

  • Texan101 on January 10, 2008, 23:58 GMT

    Coach55 - You must have been coached by USACA President Mr. Dainty. You said do not harp on USACA President? Are you blind deaf or what? Can't you see what he hs done to USA cricketers? Yes they are smarter in manipulating and hanging on the power with their delaying status quo. They have destroyed all the hopes for young cricketers. A schoolboy can run USACA better then them. I know who you are and what is in it for you. You guys have no shame and just destroying our cricketers. Show us what they have done since they grabbed the power illegaly in USACA? you are saying they are not bowing to pressure by ICC? They are kicked out and suspended by ICC twice and still hanging on. Yes they have no scruples and USACA is dead. There is no hope under these guys. Ask Mr. dainty to coach you better Mr. Coach55.

  • coach55 on January 10, 2008, 20:10 GMT

    We have to look beyond USACA, as ICC has been powerless and like one Australian said " toothless tiger". ICC has failed to be fair while performing their duties. All test playing nations have been trying to get what they want and ICC has given in more than it has stood by the rules it has made. In all fairness, current USACA representatives are probably smarter than we give them credit for. They are not bowing to ICC and are firm on their belief that Cricket in USA should be run by USA and not dictated by dysfunctional ICC. So do not harp on USACA president. Let us all join and make things work rather than making it a ethnic issues.

  • Member on January 14, 2008, 3:33 GMT

    Dear Mr. Williamson

    You wrote a beautiful and to the point summary on USACA. Honestly, Dainty will be relelected and a Calamity will set in. There are no 2 ways about it. This is a fact not a myth.

    He will be PRESIDENT for LIFE of USA,make no bones about it.

  • Construed info on USACA Website on January 13, 2008, 15:19 GMT

    the following appears on USACA website:

    The new USACA Constitution dated November 20, 2007 was ratified by a 74% to 26% majority vote by the eligible member clubs.

    Where in the world did they get 74% when only 14% of the voters voted and that too fraudulent votes. The 97 that did vote yes, all came from the current Directors who are all Dainty's men in cohert all seeking positions in the new executive.

    I say it is time to UNRECOGNIZE the current organization. ICC please note do not distribute funds, that is what they are after.

  • numbers are wrong on January 12, 2008, 18:01 GMT

    Mr. News Leaker these are the correct numbers 97 Yes, 39 No and 49 not counted - spoilt equals total votes 180 14% of USA voted there you go

  • Democrat on January 11, 2008, 21:42 GMT

    Mr. Dehring, if you are following this chat, is there any way for all the clubs to see which clubs voted, name of the club, location and which geographical structure do they belong to. Speaking to almost 50 personally that voted I know there has to be 50 clubs that says no....or you part of these corrupt management?

  • News leaker on January 11, 2008, 20:54 GMT

    I was right and my source was right. Only 160+ clubs voted out of 670+. what a shame. Out of which 74% voted yes that means 133 clubs voted yes.

    If you took all the illegal clubs that what it mounts to. Because of this the constitution is ratified. What a scary thought and what we all think about the existing organization.

    Now people what this means is. Elections will happen in 30 days and Dainty will be President again for "LIFE". It took them 12 days to count 160+ votes. What a rigger.

  • Adam Scholem on January 11, 2008, 19:37 GMT

    Isn't this why there was supposed to be an independent auditor to supervise the election? What has happened to him?

    As this cloak and dagger nonsense continues, I'm left wondering if there's a viable alternative which the leagues could offer to the ICC as the governing body for cricket in the US? What prevents a new structure being set up and presented to the world as a fiat accompli?

  • Leaking "NEWS" on January 11, 2008, 16:59 GMT

    Just found out out from a high ranking official that not enough ballots were received in Florida. Hence they did not want to publish the results, hence the delay. It would be a shame to publish the actual number of ballots.

    That is the secretly revealed "OFFICIAL WORD".

    This only proves that USA does not want the ratification and get rid of the old management.

  • njoylife on January 11, 2008, 16:56 GMT

    Mr. Coach55, Forget ICC, is out own body functional, which of the following you think is right,

    1) Not publishing result after 12 days of the elections, how many votes are there to count, some 200.

    2) In any of the national championship since last four years there is timely communication.

    3) Mr. President trying to be the big boss forever by manipulation some crappy executive.

    4) Inappropriate use of funds from ICC and never submitting reports back for the funds received to develop cricket.

    5) USA dropped to division 4.

    I can go on and on, do you have explanation to these, There is no ethic issue, issue is the dysfunctional and unorganized president and executives. Issue is not having ability to run an association. Explain this, the results are still not out and we all know it takes a little time get the votes from unexisting clubs and leagues.

    The only way cricket will grow in USA is get rid of this unorganized body that runs the association.

  • Texan101 on January 10, 2008, 23:58 GMT

    Coach55 - You must have been coached by USACA President Mr. Dainty. You said do not harp on USACA President? Are you blind deaf or what? Can't you see what he hs done to USA cricketers? Yes they are smarter in manipulating and hanging on the power with their delaying status quo. They have destroyed all the hopes for young cricketers. A schoolboy can run USACA better then them. I know who you are and what is in it for you. You guys have no shame and just destroying our cricketers. Show us what they have done since they grabbed the power illegaly in USACA? you are saying they are not bowing to pressure by ICC? They are kicked out and suspended by ICC twice and still hanging on. Yes they have no scruples and USACA is dead. There is no hope under these guys. Ask Mr. dainty to coach you better Mr. Coach55.

  • coach55 on January 10, 2008, 20:10 GMT

    We have to look beyond USACA, as ICC has been powerless and like one Australian said " toothless tiger". ICC has failed to be fair while performing their duties. All test playing nations have been trying to get what they want and ICC has given in more than it has stood by the rules it has made. In all fairness, current USACA representatives are probably smarter than we give them credit for. They are not bowing to ICC and are firm on their belief that Cricket in USA should be run by USA and not dictated by dysfunctional ICC. So do not harp on USACA president. Let us all join and make things work rather than making it a ethnic issues.

  • Tim Johnson on January 10, 2008, 19:19 GMT

    "I thought Americans prided themselves in democracy." That, my friend, they do, but the USACA people ARE NOT Americans; certainly not by culture. They're third world immigrants that have brought the irresponsive, cliquish, grasping, third world political life to "American" cricket. What the ICC has to do is remove North America from the jurisdiction of the Windies and give it to England. Disastrous having a third world country responsible for providing "leadership" to the Yanks!

  • Blundee on January 10, 2008, 0:18 GMT

    I am an Aussie - and I thought Americans prided themselves in democracy, however as I have followed Cricinfo's coverage of USACA for about 4 years these so called administraters have more in common with Zimbabwe cricket administration than democracy. Both are killing the game.

    Over the next year or so USA should be competing with Bermuda and UAE for a world cup spot and ODI status and trying to earn a spot in the intercontinental cup but if the damage continues none of this will happen even in 2015

    Fancy USA and Zimbabwe being put in the same boat - shame shame

  • Njoylife on January 9, 2008, 20:42 GMT

    I just cannot believe how could this guys be so shameless, I admire the tolerance they have to digest this embarrasment, Mr. Dainty what soil are you made up off, please do cricket a favour and walk out, get a job or do something but cricket in USA, let the youngster who are dreaming of playing cricket at a good level atleast dream, you have no idea how you are crushing their dreams, walk out, walk out, walk out, would you pleaseee WALK OUT

  • Tim Johnson on January 9, 2008, 18:16 GMT

    Same old, same old. When the results eventually do come in you can almost be certain they'll be flawed and discreditable. Look for the you-know-what to hit the fan soon as we get 'em.

  • Texan101 on January 9, 2008, 18:07 GMT

    Nothing new but the same old technics by the same old USACA Executives. I am sure they will come up with some lame excuse for the delay. Time has come for all the Leagues around USA to realize that these organization is doomed as long as these executives are in charge. It has been going on for so many years and cricket is suffering in USA. I have great respect for newly elected WICB President Sir Julien Hunte and I am sure he will take greater interest in this matter. What is happening Mr. Chris Dehring? You are the Third Party Independent Observer of this process. Have not heard anything from you yet on this delay. I hope you are not dependent on Mr. Dainty to provide you with the ballots, which he may have collected in Florida. Let us wait some more as we have been doing that for last 10 + years.

  • elvis z ali on January 9, 2008, 17:52 GMT

    What is up with this USACA group of goofs, can't they see past their pride and get on with, or get out of the program, how long will this go on for, how long will this group take to realize that they have done nothing to foster the game here in the U.S since i first came to this country [8y there have been internal rift within, is it reputation you'll after check this out for size blatant failures continuously.recommended resign step aside there are so much you can do and you'll have reached your max do us a grand favour step aside please you love the sport show us this is not a Caribbean thing neither personal OK .....OK .................

  • voter on January 9, 2008, 17:21 GMT

    Regardless of the outcome. The old Administration should not be anywhere near the election process, What I mean by this is, The current Executives should not be nominated The current so called illegal directors should not run for offices. Dainty and gang you've had your chances in screwing it up. How much more blood (money) you want from us. You have made enough It should be a new bunch and that too by general elections. No Nominations and then the directors chosing the Executive. First time around it should be a completely new body in all aspects. Turn over all paperwork including assets, finances and no liabilities. Then only this system will work. But you and I know it will not work. The current people want to be in office for ever. you figure it out.

  • Member on January 9, 2008, 16:21 GMT

    Friends as stated earlier, the whole process is flawed start to finish. All illegal extensions have been granted by the two famous D's (Mr.Dehring & Mr.Dainty)so that the ratification can go thru. To tell the truth, the constitution is not ratified, hence the delay tactics which are now so famous. They are waiting for the 21 day deadline to notify the results. Whatever the case may be, it is time to start a new organization. Out with the old and in with the new. Goodbye Mr. D's and their Directors (illegal self appointed). It has been a pleasure working with you all. Thank you for taking us down the rotten path and destroying USA Cricket. All the goodmen have walked away. We will start fresh in 2008.

    Disgruntled League Member

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  • Member on January 9, 2008, 16:21 GMT

    Friends as stated earlier, the whole process is flawed start to finish. All illegal extensions have been granted by the two famous D's (Mr.Dehring & Mr.Dainty)so that the ratification can go thru. To tell the truth, the constitution is not ratified, hence the delay tactics which are now so famous. They are waiting for the 21 day deadline to notify the results. Whatever the case may be, it is time to start a new organization. Out with the old and in with the new. Goodbye Mr. D's and their Directors (illegal self appointed). It has been a pleasure working with you all. Thank you for taking us down the rotten path and destroying USA Cricket. All the goodmen have walked away. We will start fresh in 2008.

    Disgruntled League Member

  • voter on January 9, 2008, 17:21 GMT

    Regardless of the outcome. The old Administration should not be anywhere near the election process, What I mean by this is, The current Executives should not be nominated The current so called illegal directors should not run for offices. Dainty and gang you've had your chances in screwing it up. How much more blood (money) you want from us. You have made enough It should be a new bunch and that too by general elections. No Nominations and then the directors chosing the Executive. First time around it should be a completely new body in all aspects. Turn over all paperwork including assets, finances and no liabilities. Then only this system will work. But you and I know it will not work. The current people want to be in office for ever. you figure it out.

  • elvis z ali on January 9, 2008, 17:52 GMT

    What is up with this USACA group of goofs, can't they see past their pride and get on with, or get out of the program, how long will this go on for, how long will this group take to realize that they have done nothing to foster the game here in the U.S since i first came to this country [8y there have been internal rift within, is it reputation you'll after check this out for size blatant failures continuously.recommended resign step aside there are so much you can do and you'll have reached your max do us a grand favour step aside please you love the sport show us this is not a Caribbean thing neither personal OK .....OK .................

  • Texan101 on January 9, 2008, 18:07 GMT

    Nothing new but the same old technics by the same old USACA Executives. I am sure they will come up with some lame excuse for the delay. Time has come for all the Leagues around USA to realize that these organization is doomed as long as these executives are in charge. It has been going on for so many years and cricket is suffering in USA. I have great respect for newly elected WICB President Sir Julien Hunte and I am sure he will take greater interest in this matter. What is happening Mr. Chris Dehring? You are the Third Party Independent Observer of this process. Have not heard anything from you yet on this delay. I hope you are not dependent on Mr. Dainty to provide you with the ballots, which he may have collected in Florida. Let us wait some more as we have been doing that for last 10 + years.

  • Tim Johnson on January 9, 2008, 18:16 GMT

    Same old, same old. When the results eventually do come in you can almost be certain they'll be flawed and discreditable. Look for the you-know-what to hit the fan soon as we get 'em.

  • Njoylife on January 9, 2008, 20:42 GMT

    I just cannot believe how could this guys be so shameless, I admire the tolerance they have to digest this embarrasment, Mr. Dainty what soil are you made up off, please do cricket a favour and walk out, get a job or do something but cricket in USA, let the youngster who are dreaming of playing cricket at a good level atleast dream, you have no idea how you are crushing their dreams, walk out, walk out, walk out, would you pleaseee WALK OUT

  • Blundee on January 10, 2008, 0:18 GMT

    I am an Aussie - and I thought Americans prided themselves in democracy, however as I have followed Cricinfo's coverage of USACA for about 4 years these so called administraters have more in common with Zimbabwe cricket administration than democracy. Both are killing the game.

    Over the next year or so USA should be competing with Bermuda and UAE for a world cup spot and ODI status and trying to earn a spot in the intercontinental cup but if the damage continues none of this will happen even in 2015

    Fancy USA and Zimbabwe being put in the same boat - shame shame

  • Tim Johnson on January 10, 2008, 19:19 GMT

    "I thought Americans prided themselves in democracy." That, my friend, they do, but the USACA people ARE NOT Americans; certainly not by culture. They're third world immigrants that have brought the irresponsive, cliquish, grasping, third world political life to "American" cricket. What the ICC has to do is remove North America from the jurisdiction of the Windies and give it to England. Disastrous having a third world country responsible for providing "leadership" to the Yanks!

  • coach55 on January 10, 2008, 20:10 GMT

    We have to look beyond USACA, as ICC has been powerless and like one Australian said " toothless tiger". ICC has failed to be fair while performing their duties. All test playing nations have been trying to get what they want and ICC has given in more than it has stood by the rules it has made. In all fairness, current USACA representatives are probably smarter than we give them credit for. They are not bowing to ICC and are firm on their belief that Cricket in USA should be run by USA and not dictated by dysfunctional ICC. So do not harp on USACA president. Let us all join and make things work rather than making it a ethnic issues.

  • Texan101 on January 10, 2008, 23:58 GMT

    Coach55 - You must have been coached by USACA President Mr. Dainty. You said do not harp on USACA President? Are you blind deaf or what? Can't you see what he hs done to USA cricketers? Yes they are smarter in manipulating and hanging on the power with their delaying status quo. They have destroyed all the hopes for young cricketers. A schoolboy can run USACA better then them. I know who you are and what is in it for you. You guys have no shame and just destroying our cricketers. Show us what they have done since they grabbed the power illegaly in USACA? you are saying they are not bowing to pressure by ICC? They are kicked out and suspended by ICC twice and still hanging on. Yes they have no scruples and USACA is dead. There is no hope under these guys. Ask Mr. dainty to coach you better Mr. Coach55.