Champions Trophy July 25, 2008

A tournament of the willing

I'll keep this short, the general arguments have been rehearsed many times.
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I'll keep this short, the general arguments have been rehearsed many times.

1 The ICC was right to support Pakistan's hosting of the Champions Trophy. Cricket should not be held hostage to unrelated incidents. As Haroon Lorgat pointed out, the reality is different to the perception.

2 It is also right that players concerned about their own security should be able to decline any tour or tournament without penalty other than the risk that their place might be taken by somebody else.

3 Three detailed arguments against the tour have emerged from the ECB. These are either inaccurate or they can be dealt with easily. The PCB and ICC need to tackle them head on and fast.

4 Argument one: Level of vehicular access to grounds. The PCB and Pakistan Government could easily offer to implement a car-free zone. It's hard to know why they wouldn't?

5 Argument two: No road clearance for player transport. Again, the PCB and Pakistan Government could make this happen.

6 Argument three: Females not subject to the same search as males. There is no issue with female security staff conducting a thorough search of female spectators.

7 This year's Champions Trophy has become a critical test of the unity of international cricket and the wisdom of administrators. Above all, the PCB and the Pakistan Government must do everything in their power to address the concerns of the international community and make the tournament a security success.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • suliman iqbal on August 13, 2008, 10:21 GMT

    i have been a bit suprised that the australian CB hasnt sent a security team to india after the bomb attacks a couple of weeks ago,they are touring thier in november, they should cancel the IPL if there are bomb attacks before the start of the tournament,if its blaming pakistan for bieng an islamic or terrorist country, for gods sake there are about the same amount of muslims in india, i dont see england,SA,AUS or NZ boycotting tours there, the western media have portrayed us as some kind of blood sucking vampires, we are normal people, these same ediots used to love our players such as imran, wasim, waqar and used to praise them on bowling on tough pitches, if the best players in the world want to prove themselves,come to pakistan and prove yourself as a bowler or batsman,its probably the toughest place to play cricket,not the best bowling or batting pitches, we still get championsi know why symonds is not coming to PK cos there isn't any good fishing spots in pk,he's and absolute ass

  • Arsalan Iqtidar on August 7, 2008, 14:21 GMT

    Hi,

    Its such a shame that when almost all teams are willing to play in pakistan we are not able to complete the construction work. This is the hight of bad planning on part pf Pakistan Cricket Board. At least I know the pindi stadium was constructed well before. They could have easily made a part of it again instead of digging the whole area.

  • Ahmer on August 5, 2008, 10:29 GMT

    To Barath,

    I dont see any pakistani's on this forum criticizing india or the BCCI. In fact most are grateful for Indias support and are mainly critical of the 'white nations'. I for one do worry about BCCI's financial clout but am glad that they are using it to good effect with regards to supporting pakistan. although that may be hypocritical.

    On the main issue, you cant make players come against their will, but it does feel like security is being used as an excuse. As an 'ally' of the 'war on terror', surely the way Eng and Aus could show solidarity with Pak would be to provide adequate security and so turn up and play in complete safety rather than boycott the CT

  • irfan on July 29, 2008, 14:12 GMT

    It is very unfortunate that for the bloggers to pay attention, the main story has to give people a chance to slam some body. Be it Dr. Naseem Ashraf or Shoaib Akhtar or whoever has been in the news lately with a negative slant. As opposed to a few views that I have read not too long ago labeling Kamran as a sensationalist this one is rather bland for them and hence the lukewarm response to this post. Although, I think that this piece of writing should have evoked some sensible blogging based on logic and reason. I have read some bloggers in this thread who are opposed to the idea of having CT in Pak and it makes sense and then there are some others who wrote in favour and they are not all that far from the truth and facts. So, it is a difficult subject, and I pray that whatever the outcome may be it doesn't fracture the relationship Pak cricket has with other playing nations any further.

  • Barath on July 28, 2008, 20:26 GMT

    I don't mean to flare up an argument here and neither am I a supporter of BCCI's policies. But I am surprised that most Pakistani fans here start criticizing India's clout when all the while BCCI has been steadfastly supporting the idea of a tournament in Pakistan. In fact, I don't remember our two boards disagreeing on any issue in the last five years! (except the whole icl thing, of course!)

  • TheTruth on July 27, 2008, 17:03 GMT

    How come there are Australian companies and their citizens working in Pakistan? They are certainly not soldiers either. What about recent bomb blasts in China and serious terrorist threats to Olympics? Are Australians or for that matter other western countries going to boycott that as well? The truth is that these western countries are full of double standards, on one side they boycott Zimbabwe for the human rights violations but at the same time they are willing to support the Olympics being held in China even though there were serious human rights violations in Tibet? I just don't believe these moral and security accusations anymore because they are just rubbish.

  • Don on July 27, 2008, 9:54 GMT

    Currently, the prevailing spirit is that Australia shouldn't send a team AT ALL. Not a B team (which would be very atypical) and not a weakened team. Either send your best or none at all. The argument about "war on terrorism" would be more palatable if sending troops was the issue. There is no question that allies in a war should help each other. Sportspeople are just that. They are paid just to play. If there is risk involved there is no reason for them to go. If the stadium is unsafe then they won't play. If the changing rooms don't meet standards then they won't play. If there is a threat of terrorism then they won't play. I reckon it's more of a national issue then a cricket one. Australia still has a strong negative assessment of security conditions in Pakistan and advises Australians not to travel there. So what do you want the cricket players to think when their own government says it does not advise them to go?

  • ehjaz afzal on July 27, 2008, 4:53 GMT

    After the recent bomb blasts in India (Banglore and Ahmedabad), I would like to know would Aussies, Eng and Nz refuse to tour India in future??

  • South African on July 26, 2008, 12:46 GMT

    So KP from England and Graeme Smith also now add their reservations about playing in Pakistan.The daily crime in South Africa is a much more serious threat to local South Africans and foreigners than the security situation in Pakistan.The architects of the decision not to play in Pakistan, and those who echo the same sentiments are a bunch of liars hiding behind a poor excuse.Pakistan is a muslim country and the white cricketers and their supporters have no respect for muslims considering how the western media portrays them.Hashim Amla, a devout muslim was even referrred to as a 'terrorist' by an AUSTRALIAN commentater.Pakistan is not a place where non muslim cricketers can party and booze as they wish, which is why thickheaded crickerters like symonds,KP, SMITH and their pals do not wish to tour.The ICC should stand firm and not allow itself to be dictated by racist cricketers and their representatives.

  • Kumar on July 26, 2008, 11:09 GMT

    If Symonds, KP or anyone for that matter is concerned about the safety of Pakistan, they should be allowed to skip without any issue. The key point of Aussie Champs post is this: London / Spain/India bombings dont scare of teams becos security agencies of these countries dont have jihadi sympathizers or moles and thus make all security efforts redundant. If people cannot trust the government and the security agencies, then there is no way out.

    Instead of beating their head repeatedly about this issue, Pakistanis should try to improve their government and security first.

  • suliman iqbal on August 13, 2008, 10:21 GMT

    i have been a bit suprised that the australian CB hasnt sent a security team to india after the bomb attacks a couple of weeks ago,they are touring thier in november, they should cancel the IPL if there are bomb attacks before the start of the tournament,if its blaming pakistan for bieng an islamic or terrorist country, for gods sake there are about the same amount of muslims in india, i dont see england,SA,AUS or NZ boycotting tours there, the western media have portrayed us as some kind of blood sucking vampires, we are normal people, these same ediots used to love our players such as imran, wasim, waqar and used to praise them on bowling on tough pitches, if the best players in the world want to prove themselves,come to pakistan and prove yourself as a bowler or batsman,its probably the toughest place to play cricket,not the best bowling or batting pitches, we still get championsi know why symonds is not coming to PK cos there isn't any good fishing spots in pk,he's and absolute ass

  • Arsalan Iqtidar on August 7, 2008, 14:21 GMT

    Hi,

    Its such a shame that when almost all teams are willing to play in pakistan we are not able to complete the construction work. This is the hight of bad planning on part pf Pakistan Cricket Board. At least I know the pindi stadium was constructed well before. They could have easily made a part of it again instead of digging the whole area.

  • Ahmer on August 5, 2008, 10:29 GMT

    To Barath,

    I dont see any pakistani's on this forum criticizing india or the BCCI. In fact most are grateful for Indias support and are mainly critical of the 'white nations'. I for one do worry about BCCI's financial clout but am glad that they are using it to good effect with regards to supporting pakistan. although that may be hypocritical.

    On the main issue, you cant make players come against their will, but it does feel like security is being used as an excuse. As an 'ally' of the 'war on terror', surely the way Eng and Aus could show solidarity with Pak would be to provide adequate security and so turn up and play in complete safety rather than boycott the CT

  • irfan on July 29, 2008, 14:12 GMT

    It is very unfortunate that for the bloggers to pay attention, the main story has to give people a chance to slam some body. Be it Dr. Naseem Ashraf or Shoaib Akhtar or whoever has been in the news lately with a negative slant. As opposed to a few views that I have read not too long ago labeling Kamran as a sensationalist this one is rather bland for them and hence the lukewarm response to this post. Although, I think that this piece of writing should have evoked some sensible blogging based on logic and reason. I have read some bloggers in this thread who are opposed to the idea of having CT in Pak and it makes sense and then there are some others who wrote in favour and they are not all that far from the truth and facts. So, it is a difficult subject, and I pray that whatever the outcome may be it doesn't fracture the relationship Pak cricket has with other playing nations any further.

  • Barath on July 28, 2008, 20:26 GMT

    I don't mean to flare up an argument here and neither am I a supporter of BCCI's policies. But I am surprised that most Pakistani fans here start criticizing India's clout when all the while BCCI has been steadfastly supporting the idea of a tournament in Pakistan. In fact, I don't remember our two boards disagreeing on any issue in the last five years! (except the whole icl thing, of course!)

  • TheTruth on July 27, 2008, 17:03 GMT

    How come there are Australian companies and their citizens working in Pakistan? They are certainly not soldiers either. What about recent bomb blasts in China and serious terrorist threats to Olympics? Are Australians or for that matter other western countries going to boycott that as well? The truth is that these western countries are full of double standards, on one side they boycott Zimbabwe for the human rights violations but at the same time they are willing to support the Olympics being held in China even though there were serious human rights violations in Tibet? I just don't believe these moral and security accusations anymore because they are just rubbish.

  • Don on July 27, 2008, 9:54 GMT

    Currently, the prevailing spirit is that Australia shouldn't send a team AT ALL. Not a B team (which would be very atypical) and not a weakened team. Either send your best or none at all. The argument about "war on terrorism" would be more palatable if sending troops was the issue. There is no question that allies in a war should help each other. Sportspeople are just that. They are paid just to play. If there is risk involved there is no reason for them to go. If the stadium is unsafe then they won't play. If the changing rooms don't meet standards then they won't play. If there is a threat of terrorism then they won't play. I reckon it's more of a national issue then a cricket one. Australia still has a strong negative assessment of security conditions in Pakistan and advises Australians not to travel there. So what do you want the cricket players to think when their own government says it does not advise them to go?

  • ehjaz afzal on July 27, 2008, 4:53 GMT

    After the recent bomb blasts in India (Banglore and Ahmedabad), I would like to know would Aussies, Eng and Nz refuse to tour India in future??

  • South African on July 26, 2008, 12:46 GMT

    So KP from England and Graeme Smith also now add their reservations about playing in Pakistan.The daily crime in South Africa is a much more serious threat to local South Africans and foreigners than the security situation in Pakistan.The architects of the decision not to play in Pakistan, and those who echo the same sentiments are a bunch of liars hiding behind a poor excuse.Pakistan is a muslim country and the white cricketers and their supporters have no respect for muslims considering how the western media portrays them.Hashim Amla, a devout muslim was even referrred to as a 'terrorist' by an AUSTRALIAN commentater.Pakistan is not a place where non muslim cricketers can party and booze as they wish, which is why thickheaded crickerters like symonds,KP, SMITH and their pals do not wish to tour.The ICC should stand firm and not allow itself to be dictated by racist cricketers and their representatives.

  • Kumar on July 26, 2008, 11:09 GMT

    If Symonds, KP or anyone for that matter is concerned about the safety of Pakistan, they should be allowed to skip without any issue. The key point of Aussie Champs post is this: London / Spain/India bombings dont scare of teams becos security agencies of these countries dont have jihadi sympathizers or moles and thus make all security efforts redundant. If people cannot trust the government and the security agencies, then there is no way out.

    Instead of beating their head repeatedly about this issue, Pakistanis should try to improve their government and security first.

  • hbt20 on July 26, 2008, 9:23 GMT

    It is true that western cricket players are exposed to media stereotyping of the security situation in Pakistan. But that does not make them all alcoholic philandering mercenaries, it merely makes them ill informed and perhaps poorly advised. That said, I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with the point regarding the level of bombings occurring in India and player participation in the IPL. Big name players will be open to criticism if they fail to tour Pakistan yet find it within themselves to make a sack full of cash in the IPL.

  • DesiHungama on July 26, 2008, 2:35 GMT

    Yeah sure we have a security situation in Pakistan. But Sir! Isn't this very security is due to your own WAR! If I am right all of you were touring our peaceful loving country in the nineties. Right? Give all of us a break here...

  • Usman on July 26, 2008, 1:19 GMT

    First of all my question to all those people who are opposing the CT in Pakistan is, who's security is Pakistan protecting by being involved in this war? Beofre this, there were no suicide bombings in Pakistan, but to make sure that all these nations sleep in peace, we sacrificed our lives. I blame it completely on Govt of Pakistan for all this debacle. We should have never got into this war, let them fight their own war. Now we are suffering as a nation. Why has the cricket declined in Pakistan? because there is no quality opposition. Pakistan hardly gets to play any cricket. It is not only that nobody comes and plays in Pakistan, nobody even invites Pakistan to play. It is poor management of ICC which awards 17 tests in one year to India and Australia but only 3 to Pakistan. Cricket is not the same anymore. It is all about the money. If these teams dont come to Pakistan, we should just completely boycott them. We need to stay strong as a nation and dont worry about these teams.

  • NZ on July 26, 2008, 1:01 GMT

    People find it easy to lump NZ among the others but tend to forget that we do turn up to these events bomb blasts either happen in the city (Sri Lanka 1990's) or outside the teams hotel (Pakistan 2002), some people may be used to wiping body parts from their shirts and laughing it away as a one off but I doubt the NZ cricketers are (Stephen Fleming's reaction to the Pakistan bombing). If there are security concerns regarding the event and security concerns regarding the Pakistani security forces then the PCB must address those, that's their duty as a host plain and simple.

  • Imran on July 25, 2008, 22:31 GMT

    Pakistan is going through a crisis at the moment but it will pull through...its a beautiful country with kind indafatigable people...white nations need to realise it took their democracies hundreds of years to mature..those like aussie champ (or chump) need to learn to read and recognise the blood stained nature of their history before judging Pakistan. Pakistani brothers and sisters need to end they enmity with our Indian brothers and sisters...they have backed us and this issue like most of the reasons for our divisions are ultimately about race, divide and conquer.

  • Badar on July 25, 2008, 21:15 GMT

    ICC must ensure that all countries send their full strength team since it's an ICC event, not a tournament arranged by the Pak govt. If ICC can enforce this rule on events staged elsewhere then why not in Pak also? And if any country send a B team to Pak or pulls out of the event then PCB must return the favor equally by sending its B team to that country's next tour or pull out of the tour and make this very clear to ICC. One can only do so much that's humanly possible; even if you let the whining nations bring their own army to protect their teams, they wouldn't do any more than the local guards would. It's these whining people who first created all the mess in and around Pak and now left it on us to do the dirty work. If our courageous soldiers can risk their lives to minimize the risk of an attack on these whining nations then players like Oram, Symonds, KP and the likes must have the balls to come here and show their respect and gratitude to the Pak nation. Come play and have fun

  • MasoodR on July 25, 2008, 20:51 GMT

    Lets see what happens when Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka refuse to tour the countries whose players are unwilling to play in Pakistan. Today its Pakistan, tomorrow Sri Lanka. Do they have the guts to ever refuse to tour India? Yeah right, and give up all that money?

    It is very clearly becoming a race thing for the cricket community. All this attitude comes towards the non-white cricketing countries. Nobody talks about the problems in other countries because...gee, they are such perfect, safe communities! Maybe its time to show our dark side (pun intended) and strength, to assert our rights instead of bowing down to unreasonable pressure and innuendo designed to meet self serving motives.

    Let those players who refuse to play in Pakistan be excluded from lucrative tournaments like the IPL and impose permanent bans on future tours for them. Wonder how quickly their attitude will change!

    For the record, nobody is guaranteed their next breath, I dont care who you are or where you are!

  • Syed- USA on July 25, 2008, 20:26 GMT

    In my personal opinion,Pakistan should give up the hosting rights of this edition of CT, work on improving their overall home situation as much as possible, and hope in the coming years WE can again become a force to reckon with in Cricket and a peacefull nation, and can provide a safer environment for any major international event in Pakistan.Inspite of how much I care about Pak, we need to be realistic and patient, and understand our shortcomings and internal/external problems so we can try to rectify those for a better future. I am sure lot of people will disagree with my comments. No offence intended to anybody. Thanks, Syed.........USA

  • zaheer on July 25, 2008, 20:25 GMT

    let mw ask just one stupid freking one question our coch got killed in last wc what the hell icc did to find wo did it,,,,,, icc and all other mmbers have double standads against pakistn simple

  • Ali Raza on July 25, 2008, 19:55 GMT

    Players of New Zealand, Australia, England and South Africa should stop acting like little girls and start acting like real men. If our 'arch rival' India can play then why cant they? First of all of all the people Andrew Symonds shouldnt have anything to worry about. He is not white, on top he looks like a clown and dont talk about it is up to the 'employers' to take a decision or what not because playing for your country is about pride. No offence or nothing but noone from South Africa should be scared to come here. Players from Pakistan have been mugged there and what sinful act have we done to them? Maybe a waiter saying "More tea Sir?" one too many times. Sorry to say but all white people are born scared and paranoid. They blew this whole thing up bigger than it is. Trust me, people have better things to do Champ. Only ones who will be disappointed if you dont come are the cricket fans.

  • Kashif on July 25, 2008, 19:51 GMT

    Aussie Champ: Today there have been 7 bombings in Bangalore, India. While the event is extremely tragic and my heart goes to the lives lost in those bombings, I was wondering whether Aussies and others would raise an objection in attending IPL 20-20 in India next season due to safety concerns?

  • Ali on July 25, 2008, 19:47 GMT

    The solution is simple....provide the beer and girls....and the westerners will follow!

  • Daaniyal on July 25, 2008, 19:22 GMT

    @ Aussie Champ's comment that:

    'That's at least 59 more terrorist bombings than Australia has experienced in the last 200 years.'

    I know a few Aboriginies who would disagree :)

  • Qasim Awan on July 25, 2008, 19:09 GMT

    The situation in Pakistan is far more normal than anyone in the Western media says; it is their skewed one dimensional analysis of Pakistan that is to blame. Over the last 7 years nobody concentrated on our thriving economy,stability,renewed fashion & arts scene.All they pinpointed was the negatives.There is one dimensional reporting on Pakistan going on which is to blame. Also the fact that we dont have wine,women & dance to entertain them with. Or at least not OPENLY. As EAMiran says,we have loads of alcohol & even hash for everyone!

  • jamil on July 25, 2008, 18:51 GMT

    Cricket has become a BIG money game. Players have seen what they can make in the recent IPL. They are now looking forward to even bigger paychecks in the Sanford Circus. So why should they come to Pakstan for this tournament with no or very little money. Security is just an excuse. There is NO safe place in the world. If New York, London etc can be targeted anywhere else can be. KP in a recent interview on Sky Sports commenting on the Sanford series and the millons at stake, said him and all other players would be willing to play ANYWHERE and AT ANY TIME for this kind of money. Just hold the next IPL type of Mega bucks tournament in Pakistan and see what these players will do !!!!!!

  • manoj on July 25, 2008, 18:45 GMT

    Yeah, Just give those idiots a few mil buck and then see how they line up! India will have more blasts for sure (after all Islamic militancy cannot digest India's rise) , but see how they all line up for the 2009 IPL. Money talks and those BS's will walk.

  • Faisal on July 25, 2008, 18:34 GMT

    Systemic risk is unavoidable in Pakistan. The only question that we have to ask is, does the independent security review conclude that Pakistan can safely host the tournament or not? It doesn’t matter if there are a thousand bomb blasts in Pakistan between now and the starting date – the question is still the same, can they guarantee security or not? It is hypocritical of the ‘white’ boards to state that “well we are waiting for the results of the security review by the ICC” and once that comes clear, they start talking about phantom threats being spoken of by other security experts that are not officially sanctioned to provide input in to the ICC’s decision.

    So lets just cut through the paranoia here. Has anyone read the travel advisory for India? I mean this with no offense to anyone out there. Heck, try reading the travel advisory for Dubai...u can find it on UK and AUS foreign office website. Apparently there are credible terrorism threats to India and to UAE.

    There is no onus on the PCB to prove anything. The white boards need to get their act together…rather than hiding behind half-assed security experts and shrill player associations, they need to step up to plate and demonstrate that their players are not money hungry whores that will play in hell but never in a place where the money is scarce and touring is ‘dry’.

    Lastly, Pakistan MUST withdraw from the tournament if it is moved.

  • Asif Sarfraz on July 25, 2008, 18:26 GMT

    It is so frustrating with the media in this country (England)! They are only making the situation worse If England, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa send there B teams, are there lives not as worthy as the A team! Forget the media in this country, we must be getting caned in Australia and New Zealand! They probably install the fear into their citizens! Half of the media people probably haven't even experienced the environment over there! Especially nowadays where there is a lot of Western influence! But oh no they do not show this in the news! They rather show mountains, run down areas, and a few shots with guys with beards, sheep and goats! What I say to ICC/ PCB is move the tournament to another country, to avoid even more controversy! And bleed England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and ICC dry for compensation! If they are not willing to tour again! Keep getting the money! Tour there country and show them how much much money you have made for not even breaking sweat!

  • sher on July 25, 2008, 18:17 GMT

    Notice how the Warnes and Smiths wagged their tails and agreed to play in Jaipur (post the Jaipur serial bomb blast) after initial whimper. Once Modi threatened to withhold their paycheck, Warne & Smith fell in line. Hats off to Watson for putting the tournament in perspective.

    Come World Cup 2011, Pakistan would be my favourite for semifinal slot. Aussie (like in 1996) & NZ (2003) will forfeit their games in Pakistan, who will canter into semis.

    So called jehadis which have spooked "Aussie Champ" have the ability to strike anywhere - in India, Bangladesh, England etc. Even SL is not safe from Tamils. Will the "I'm-scared-of-bomb" crowd stop playing in IPL?

  • Cricpolitics on July 25, 2008, 18:00 GMT

    For South Africans and those who want to shift the Champions Trophy to SA. What do you call this, terrorism or just an extreme fun? Facts do speak, don't they? There are many more statistics like this and not to forget SA is known as the Capital of the violent Crime in the World. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/27/world/main1936878.shtml

  • cricpolitics on July 25, 2008, 17:30 GMT

    Politics as ever. Play or just quit. Stop crying and stop using lame excuses. Cricket is going down anyway. Look at the Pioneers of the game (England) can't seem to find players of their own nationality. No new team has been established as a strong contender after the Sri Lankan addition in the 1980's and the long time established teams are just going down hill. Where is the progress? A team or B team does not matter any more. It's all about the performance and you can look at the recently concluded IPL where big guns did not fire at all. And now for few Indian losers, there were 7 bombs which exploded in Bangalore today and not long ago another 7 exploded in Jaipur, this is certainly a very normal society? Mr. KP , what do you have to say about your homeland (SA) which you had ditched and came to England. Aren't SA killing migrants from other countries. I don't think most NZ have any issues afterall they have travelled to PAK before and they found the security to be very effective.

  • Zain on July 25, 2008, 16:56 GMT

    I agree, Aussie champ.

    From that same perspective, Symonds and the rest of the Aussies should no longer surf..or swim..in the shark infested waters off the Australian coast - considering there havent been any shark attacks in Pakistan - and 13 (reported) shark attacks in Australia in 2007.

    If there was beer, cheerleaders and millions of dollars on offer for the champions trophy - I guarantee you, islamic zealots or not, the Aussies would come play in Pakistan. Hell, they'd play in Fallujah if there was enough beer.

    For a play hard nation - the aussies dont really get going when the going gets tough.

  • Adnan Haq on July 25, 2008, 16:53 GMT

    If parties and 'booze' are the issue, Yuvraj didn't have a problem finding them last time. It's only a dry country for locals.

  • EAMiran on July 25, 2008, 16:23 GMT

    While the onus is on the PCB and the govt. of Pakistan to ensure security protocols are met, I am sure our "allies" are just waiting for a whiff of an explosion to go off, so they can cancel the tour immediately and without prejudice. Never mind if it happens to be in the remotest corners of Pakistan. They have never fancied touring here, even at the best of times. The writing on the wall is clear. The majority of players from "white" nations and their "not-so-white" rum-swilling counterparts from the islands will not tour.

    P.S. Besides the obvious security arrangements from the PCB, I reccommend free alcohol for everyone. What say you Symonds - Scotch? Vodka? Gin? Name your vice. We have some nice Hash too - ask Asif. Afterall, we are called Land of the Pure for good reason.

    P.P.S. I would also request macho-man KP to take off those ridiculous boxing gloves (see cricinfo.com/iccct2008/content/current/story/362470.html) and show some real stones.

  • Ramesh on July 25, 2008, 16:10 GMT

    This relates to Saad's comments. Typically, it is a one eyed view. Western nations/Governments led by US might have praised Pakistan [ which is not the case now], but does that mean that individual sportspersons in those nations should also praise Pakistan? Their concerns are not geo-political, as Kamran seems to worryingly make out. They are more bothered about their individual safety. Their employers have to take that into account.It cannot be argued that Pakistan is not a normal society, and as the famous saying goes - there cannot be normal sporting activity in an abnormal situation.

  • Saad on July 25, 2008, 15:37 GMT

    I like to reiterate what Amir Sohail said few days ago. Not that I agree with him on too many issues. All these western nations ala Aus, Eng, and NZ praise us for fighting terrorism but when its their turn to show some support they show nothing but their back. Dont you think its time for these nations and I will also include SA to step up to be a morale guardian as they claim to be to come to Pakistan. It will show to others, who are trying to destroy the peace in the region, that they are with us against fighting terrorism. If they choose otherwise, it will be victory for terrorists. Lets see what side these western nations are on.

  • Hassan Zaheer in Netherlands. on July 25, 2008, 15:21 GMT

    Well the main thing is, is Pakistan safe enough, for Asians it is, for England and Australia it isn't why, when the London bombings happened why did the Australians didn't leave, was it because it was in "England" probably yes. In my opinion as the, non Asian teams are trying to boycott the tour to Pakistan, all the Asian teams are feeling safe to tour Pakistan and Zimbabwe and West indies are also backing up Pakistan. They are all sane people, they are also concerned about there players security. If they are willing to send there teams it does means that they believe that the security measure put forward by the PCB and the Pakistan Government are adequate enough. All in all I believe that it is perfectly safe for all the cricketing nations to visit Pakistan.

  • Faisal M on July 25, 2008, 14:58 GMT

    Truly so Kamran bhai, my point is that when did in the 61 years of Pakistani Cricket history was a player threatened for his life. It is ridiculous of the players who think that way, Jacob Oram, Andrew Symonds, KP, and anyone else who is skeptical about the tour needs to realize that every other life is just as important as yours. If the majority of the Players are satisfied to play then they should be also. Its only a way to destroy Cricket in Pakistan by NZ ECB and ACA let alone SAC they are in their own problems. This is entirely up to our foreign policy makers to see the reactions of these countries and make sure they get a message that Pakistan will not have friendly diplomatic ties with those who question our credibility and refuse to tour on baseless security issues.

  • Faiz Hanif on July 25, 2008, 14:53 GMT

    I say Pakistan should agree to postpone their hosting of this tournament for the future, in return of a fee. Face it the cost of providing security and all will be much higher than money earned from the tournament. What we need right now in out highly unpredictable economy is foreign currency not more headaches. Also look at the opportunity cost. How much it will hurt Pakistan if one idiot gets through and does something? In my opinion this whole excercise right now is not worth it.

  • sikander Mirza on July 25, 2008, 14:46 GMT

    I fully agree with your obversations and what PCB and Pak Govt. can do to allay the fears of the players.Is the life and security of White players more precious than those from Pak/India/SriLanka/Bangladesh and West Indies?Why did Australia keep playing in London inspite of 7/7,even if it was a one-off incident it takes only one to injure or kill.

  • Wasiq on July 25, 2008, 14:14 GMT

    What hypocrisy! Bottom line is these players never wanted to tour Pak hence were looking for security issue as an excuse. I bet if ICC throws a few million $$ of winning prize then we wouldn't be discussing any security concerns here. What a shame that a guy like Jacob Oram who was willing to chop off his thumb to play in the world cup now has an issue with security in Pak. All of these western cricket boards are hypocrites and have double standards for sure. They make it sound like as if the life of a Sri Lankan or Indian player is not worth as much as their players. After all Sri Lankans and Indians are also traveling to Pak. In the end I think ICC should stick with Pakistan and players should be given a choice and if some players decide to pull out then it’s their loss. I am willing to watch any of A, B or C Teams. At the end if the tournament gets shifted I would encourage PCB to boycott the tournament and cancel all of their upcoming tours to any of these so called safe heavens.

  • Jaiprakash Yadav on July 25, 2008, 14:05 GMT

    See BBC , Kevin Piterson joins the long list of star palyers, who have expressed desire not to visit Pakistan for security reasons.

  • yasser on July 25, 2008, 13:52 GMT

    i will not blame palyers or even westren media or people for all this fuss. when incompetent govt of pakistan killing it's own people for sake of these peoples pleasures,,,this is faith of pakistan ,,sooner or later this country will become history forger about cricket

  • Aussie Champ on July 25, 2008, 13:30 GMT

    Street crimes don't target specific individuals in the way that Islamic terrorists target Westerners Islamic terrorists target "infidels". The Australian (and English and NZ teams) fit into the infidel category.Pakistan has experienced at least 60 terrorist bombings in the last year. That's at least 60 more terrorist bombings than Australia has had in the same period. That's at least 59 more terrorist bombings than Australia has experienced in the last 200 years. That's an average of just less than one terrorist bombing every five days.The fact that you claim it's just a fact of life, much the same as an random street crime, merely underlines the ridiculous state that Pakistan is in.60 terrorist bombings in a year!!!!That's far more than a simple "risk from human nature", that's a country gone mad.Anyway London / Spain/India bombings dont scare of teams becos security agencies of these countries dont have jihadi sympathizers or moles and thus make all security efforts redundant.

  • Zain on July 25, 2008, 13:18 GMT

    I think the real problem here is the lack of willingness on the part of the collective of individual players from Aus, NZ and Eng. This lack of willingness stems as much from the threat to their security as from the lack of extracurricular activities (read: booze) available to these teams while in Pakistan. Coming on the heels of a soaked, safe, party of a 20/20 series in India - none of these players are interested in going through the dry (pun intended) heat of Pakistan. Understandable. Yet, is this a sign that world cricket has become less about the cricket and increasingly about the party surrounding it. Has bollywood bamboozled basic cricket? Everyone knows that nothing will happen to the foreign teams while in Pakistan - the level of security is ridiculous. Stop whining, come play.

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  • Zain on July 25, 2008, 13:18 GMT

    I think the real problem here is the lack of willingness on the part of the collective of individual players from Aus, NZ and Eng. This lack of willingness stems as much from the threat to their security as from the lack of extracurricular activities (read: booze) available to these teams while in Pakistan. Coming on the heels of a soaked, safe, party of a 20/20 series in India - none of these players are interested in going through the dry (pun intended) heat of Pakistan. Understandable. Yet, is this a sign that world cricket has become less about the cricket and increasingly about the party surrounding it. Has bollywood bamboozled basic cricket? Everyone knows that nothing will happen to the foreign teams while in Pakistan - the level of security is ridiculous. Stop whining, come play.

  • Aussie Champ on July 25, 2008, 13:30 GMT

    Street crimes don't target specific individuals in the way that Islamic terrorists target Westerners Islamic terrorists target "infidels". The Australian (and English and NZ teams) fit into the infidel category.Pakistan has experienced at least 60 terrorist bombings in the last year. That's at least 60 more terrorist bombings than Australia has had in the same period. That's at least 59 more terrorist bombings than Australia has experienced in the last 200 years. That's an average of just less than one terrorist bombing every five days.The fact that you claim it's just a fact of life, much the same as an random street crime, merely underlines the ridiculous state that Pakistan is in.60 terrorist bombings in a year!!!!That's far more than a simple "risk from human nature", that's a country gone mad.Anyway London / Spain/India bombings dont scare of teams becos security agencies of these countries dont have jihadi sympathizers or moles and thus make all security efforts redundant.

  • yasser on July 25, 2008, 13:52 GMT

    i will not blame palyers or even westren media or people for all this fuss. when incompetent govt of pakistan killing it's own people for sake of these peoples pleasures,,,this is faith of pakistan ,,sooner or later this country will become history forger about cricket

  • Jaiprakash Yadav on July 25, 2008, 14:05 GMT

    See BBC , Kevin Piterson joins the long list of star palyers, who have expressed desire not to visit Pakistan for security reasons.

  • Wasiq on July 25, 2008, 14:14 GMT

    What hypocrisy! Bottom line is these players never wanted to tour Pak hence were looking for security issue as an excuse. I bet if ICC throws a few million $$ of winning prize then we wouldn't be discussing any security concerns here. What a shame that a guy like Jacob Oram who was willing to chop off his thumb to play in the world cup now has an issue with security in Pak. All of these western cricket boards are hypocrites and have double standards for sure. They make it sound like as if the life of a Sri Lankan or Indian player is not worth as much as their players. After all Sri Lankans and Indians are also traveling to Pak. In the end I think ICC should stick with Pakistan and players should be given a choice and if some players decide to pull out then it’s their loss. I am willing to watch any of A, B or C Teams. At the end if the tournament gets shifted I would encourage PCB to boycott the tournament and cancel all of their upcoming tours to any of these so called safe heavens.

  • sikander Mirza on July 25, 2008, 14:46 GMT

    I fully agree with your obversations and what PCB and Pak Govt. can do to allay the fears of the players.Is the life and security of White players more precious than those from Pak/India/SriLanka/Bangladesh and West Indies?Why did Australia keep playing in London inspite of 7/7,even if it was a one-off incident it takes only one to injure or kill.

  • Faiz Hanif on July 25, 2008, 14:53 GMT

    I say Pakistan should agree to postpone their hosting of this tournament for the future, in return of a fee. Face it the cost of providing security and all will be much higher than money earned from the tournament. What we need right now in out highly unpredictable economy is foreign currency not more headaches. Also look at the opportunity cost. How much it will hurt Pakistan if one idiot gets through and does something? In my opinion this whole excercise right now is not worth it.

  • Faisal M on July 25, 2008, 14:58 GMT

    Truly so Kamran bhai, my point is that when did in the 61 years of Pakistani Cricket history was a player threatened for his life. It is ridiculous of the players who think that way, Jacob Oram, Andrew Symonds, KP, and anyone else who is skeptical about the tour needs to realize that every other life is just as important as yours. If the majority of the Players are satisfied to play then they should be also. Its only a way to destroy Cricket in Pakistan by NZ ECB and ACA let alone SAC they are in their own problems. This is entirely up to our foreign policy makers to see the reactions of these countries and make sure they get a message that Pakistan will not have friendly diplomatic ties with those who question our credibility and refuse to tour on baseless security issues.

  • Hassan Zaheer in Netherlands. on July 25, 2008, 15:21 GMT

    Well the main thing is, is Pakistan safe enough, for Asians it is, for England and Australia it isn't why, when the London bombings happened why did the Australians didn't leave, was it because it was in "England" probably yes. In my opinion as the, non Asian teams are trying to boycott the tour to Pakistan, all the Asian teams are feeling safe to tour Pakistan and Zimbabwe and West indies are also backing up Pakistan. They are all sane people, they are also concerned about there players security. If they are willing to send there teams it does means that they believe that the security measure put forward by the PCB and the Pakistan Government are adequate enough. All in all I believe that it is perfectly safe for all the cricketing nations to visit Pakistan.

  • Saad on July 25, 2008, 15:37 GMT

    I like to reiterate what Amir Sohail said few days ago. Not that I agree with him on too many issues. All these western nations ala Aus, Eng, and NZ praise us for fighting terrorism but when its their turn to show some support they show nothing but their back. Dont you think its time for these nations and I will also include SA to step up to be a morale guardian as they claim to be to come to Pakistan. It will show to others, who are trying to destroy the peace in the region, that they are with us against fighting terrorism. If they choose otherwise, it will be victory for terrorists. Lets see what side these western nations are on.