IPL 2012 April 9, 2012

Play five foreign players to help Indian cricket

By Karan Mamgain, Indonesia
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By Karan Mamgain, Indonesia

It's 8pm in India. Time to grab a beer – or tea – and settle down to watch the tamasha unfold on TV on Set Max. You ask your buddy, ‘wasn't the game last night fun?’ He replies, ‘yes, they played so well, especially him’. If the IPL wants to continue selling itself, the ‘him’ in that sentence needs to be replaced with youngsters’ names. With nine teams playing 16 game apiece, it is a fair criticism that the IPL is too long, for the viewers and the players. A possible antidote would be if it threw up international quality youngsters on a regular basis. That would keep the players and audience better interested, but is that possible under the current format?

The solution, I think, is simple, and its effects will extend to the quality of cricket being played – another plus for the viewers. Allow each team to field five overseas players. It may sound counterintuitive: how does taking away an Indian's spot help India’s youngsters, those waiting to emerge from the anonymity of domestic cricket. Competition. That’s the answer.

Let's take Kolkata Knight Riders as an example. They have the luxury of some prime overseas signings. The line-up this season includes Jacques Kallis, Eoin Morgan, Brendon McCullum, Shakib Al Hasan, Ryan ten Doeschate, Sunil Narine, Brett Lee, Marchant de Lange, James Pattinson and, if he is available, Brad Haddin. Now imagine that they were allowed five foreign players. That would mean someone like Debabrata Das, Laxmi Ratan Shukla or Rajat Bhatia would be competing with Shakib Al Hasan and Ryan ten Doeschate for a place in the XI. Iqbal Abdulla could be bumped off by Sunil Narine. L Balaji will have to outdo Marchant de Lange or James Pattinson. That is competition, and only that can bring out the best in cricketers.

You know that there are certain players who pick themselves and so, to break in, you have to make the best out of every inch you get. You could call it cricketing Darwinism – that's what it is, a selection of the crème de la crème. A natural selection of those best adapted to survive the struggle for existence. This rule ensures only (or mostly only) those players who could compete against their international counterparts will play the IPL, and then, possibly, for India.

If Manoj Tiwary and Morgan are competing for a finisher's spot, and Tiwary consistently comes out the winner, you know that he is someone of international quality. Can RP Singh and Munaf Patel keep Mitchell Johnson out of Mumbai Indians' starting XI? If no, then how do you expect them to step up their game in internationals?

Such a rule might impact the IPL in another way too. Better cricket, with more international players participating could increase international viewership as well. And that’s a definite upside for the organisers.

Nikita Bastian is a sub-editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • Mohit on May 4, 2012, 5:43 GMT

    If you want competition between local and foreign players then you would need to limit the no. of foreign players(or reduce the limit) in the original squad of 30. If the no. of foreign players in final squad of 11 is increased to 5 franchisee will go for all 5 foreign players rather than any local player. Just look at Mumbai Indians team. They have given more chance to Richard Levi than T Suman though both have failed in all the opportunities they got

  • deekshith on May 2, 2012, 3:17 GMT

    i think it should be 5 and we have to include a foreign young player weather it is 19 or 20 age limit from this we can also bring talented young players around the world to the world cricket and all the credit goes to ipl

  • ankit on April 23, 2012, 10:27 GMT

    4 0r 5 its always foreign players who decide 80 % of the matches outcome. In this 2 weeks of IPL 5 hard to remember any local player performed better than away player except 2 or 3 like rahane. while peterson, owais shah, gayle, naraine,cooper, steve smith,

  • Rajneesh on April 14, 2012, 5:33 GMT

    Completely agree with the writer of this article.Its not only about playing 5 or 4 foreign player.IPL had been introduced to get the indian talent out but it seems that it is more focused on making more n more money.I cant remember a player who is in the currentT20/ODI team based on IPL performance.there are some indian players who has played well in the IPL throughout the season but still not there in Indian T20 squad.If making money or public entertainment is d prime moto now then how does it matter whether it is coming from an indian player or a foreign player?As a cricket fan i will b equally please if Morgen provide me that opportunity over Yusuf.If he sits out just because rule says only 4 outsiders allowed even if yr locals r not playing well doest make any sense!!

  • ngt on April 14, 2012, 2:22 GMT

    fix the number of matches each player can play.in that way all players can get a chance to play.otherwise some local and foriegn players will never get a chance to play.

  • Raj on April 12, 2012, 9:48 GMT

    If IPL is for indian only then.... just field indian crickers only.. do not accept foreign players.

    You guys are joke, If there is no foreign player in IPL, it will be liker your "Ranji Trophy" Only the umpire and TV umpire will watch your match.... there won't be any spectators.

  • Shiva on April 12, 2012, 9:08 GMT

    IPL did produce some good players. Remember Aswin, Rahul Sharma, and Tiwary

  • Vamsi on April 11, 2012, 15:30 GMT

    The present format is fine. Indian players are getting enough chances and it is the foreign players who are competing with each others for their spots. For Deccan Chargers a player like Duminy is not getting chance to play. Rajat Bhatia will never play for India even though he plays well for his IPL team. See Balaji, he too after coming out of injury problems, he is no more playing for National side. So, this IPl is pure entertainment for viewers and business time for franchises and players.

  • Avtar on April 11, 2012, 14:13 GMT

    IPL is all about India Paisa League. All International players are coming to India to make money. Because no other Cricket league in the world offer the same amount. If you see match between CSK and DD, it looks like it was fixed. Both Dhoni and Bravo never tried to score run from 12 to 18 overs. This time CSK will not win otherwise people will loose interest in IPL.

    If you want to promote Indian players, then do like Australia T20 competition.. It was also huge success in Australia with all local players.

  • Ram on April 11, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    Increasing or decreasing overseas players makes no difference. IPL tamasha league is yet to provide us one world class player and since its primary goal is entertainment and money it does not provide any means to develop skilled test class players. The 8-0 monumental drubbing was not a coincidence.

  • Mohit on May 4, 2012, 5:43 GMT

    If you want competition between local and foreign players then you would need to limit the no. of foreign players(or reduce the limit) in the original squad of 30. If the no. of foreign players in final squad of 11 is increased to 5 franchisee will go for all 5 foreign players rather than any local player. Just look at Mumbai Indians team. They have given more chance to Richard Levi than T Suman though both have failed in all the opportunities they got

  • deekshith on May 2, 2012, 3:17 GMT

    i think it should be 5 and we have to include a foreign young player weather it is 19 or 20 age limit from this we can also bring talented young players around the world to the world cricket and all the credit goes to ipl

  • ankit on April 23, 2012, 10:27 GMT

    4 0r 5 its always foreign players who decide 80 % of the matches outcome. In this 2 weeks of IPL 5 hard to remember any local player performed better than away player except 2 or 3 like rahane. while peterson, owais shah, gayle, naraine,cooper, steve smith,

  • Rajneesh on April 14, 2012, 5:33 GMT

    Completely agree with the writer of this article.Its not only about playing 5 or 4 foreign player.IPL had been introduced to get the indian talent out but it seems that it is more focused on making more n more money.I cant remember a player who is in the currentT20/ODI team based on IPL performance.there are some indian players who has played well in the IPL throughout the season but still not there in Indian T20 squad.If making money or public entertainment is d prime moto now then how does it matter whether it is coming from an indian player or a foreign player?As a cricket fan i will b equally please if Morgen provide me that opportunity over Yusuf.If he sits out just because rule says only 4 outsiders allowed even if yr locals r not playing well doest make any sense!!

  • ngt on April 14, 2012, 2:22 GMT

    fix the number of matches each player can play.in that way all players can get a chance to play.otherwise some local and foriegn players will never get a chance to play.

  • Raj on April 12, 2012, 9:48 GMT

    If IPL is for indian only then.... just field indian crickers only.. do not accept foreign players.

    You guys are joke, If there is no foreign player in IPL, it will be liker your "Ranji Trophy" Only the umpire and TV umpire will watch your match.... there won't be any spectators.

  • Shiva on April 12, 2012, 9:08 GMT

    IPL did produce some good players. Remember Aswin, Rahul Sharma, and Tiwary

  • Vamsi on April 11, 2012, 15:30 GMT

    The present format is fine. Indian players are getting enough chances and it is the foreign players who are competing with each others for their spots. For Deccan Chargers a player like Duminy is not getting chance to play. Rajat Bhatia will never play for India even though he plays well for his IPL team. See Balaji, he too after coming out of injury problems, he is no more playing for National side. So, this IPl is pure entertainment for viewers and business time for franchises and players.

  • Avtar on April 11, 2012, 14:13 GMT

    IPL is all about India Paisa League. All International players are coming to India to make money. Because no other Cricket league in the world offer the same amount. If you see match between CSK and DD, it looks like it was fixed. Both Dhoni and Bravo never tried to score run from 12 to 18 overs. This time CSK will not win otherwise people will loose interest in IPL.

    If you want to promote Indian players, then do like Australia T20 competition.. It was also huge success in Australia with all local players.

  • Ram on April 11, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    Increasing or decreasing overseas players makes no difference. IPL tamasha league is yet to provide us one world class player and since its primary goal is entertainment and money it does not provide any means to develop skilled test class players. The 8-0 monumental drubbing was not a coincidence.

  • thejus on April 11, 2012, 12:43 GMT

    cricketing darwinism?... what rubbish is that... now we have 4 international players, lets consider KKR, the 7 indian players are gambhir,manoj tiwary,yusuf pathan,balaji,abdulla,laxmi ratan shukla,bhatia... and jaydev unadkat,bisla,Debabrata Das,Pradeep Sangwan,shami ahmed,iresh saxena has been competing with kallis,ryan te doeschate,shakib al hasan,bret lee, brendon mccullum . and the indian domestic players will never stand a chance... if we make the number of foreign players, then shukla/ bhatia will lose their position to pattison/sunil narie/de lange/morgan... so increasing the number of foreigner idea is completely flawed

  • thejus on April 11, 2012, 12:21 GMT

    the whole thinking is flawed... now there are 4 international players in a teams...so the number of spots for which Indians players will be competing is 7... of this 7, 3-4 will be indian international players... so number of positions for which the indian domestic players will compete is 3 or 4.. if number of international players cap is set to 5... the number of domestic players in each team will be 2 to 3... there wont be any competition between indian domestic players and foreign players because the foreign players have more experience and hence they will be preferred in all cases. if there is a competition between bhatia and Ryan Ten Doeschate, i will always go for Ten Doeschate just because he has more experience than bhatia... @cricinfo.. do read the articles before publishing it...

  • waqas pakistan on April 11, 2012, 12:12 GMT

    if bcci allow pakistani player to play ipl this will be a more intersting for indian and pakistani fan. everyone want pakistani and indian player play together

  • sudarshan on April 11, 2012, 8:12 GMT

    In one sentence, "you just gone nuts..!!". The Theory u proposed, will never be true on the field...!!

  • Neal on April 11, 2012, 7:03 GMT

    Terrible terrible Article. The auhtor feels that the 5 foreign players rule would increase competition among Indian and Foreign Players but it would only mean that in every single match, all 5 foreign players would play. About the "RP Sing or Munaf Patel being better than Mitchell Johnson" thing. Say, for instance, Faf du Plessis isn't as good as Sachin. Does that mean that Faf Du Plessis doesn't deserve to be in South Africa's national team? When international sides play, the entire team competes and its not an individual v individual battle. So, we may have RP Sing in Indian team and Australia may have a better bowler like Brett Lee in their ranks but that difference would be offset by say, Sachin being better than Peter Forrest. And keeping 4 foreigner rule would only give us a better chance to get as many Indian players close to int'l standard as possible.

  • Rahul Bose on April 11, 2012, 6:51 GMT

    Better yet they should allow 11 Foreign players to help Indian cricket. So while all the talented players from India will get proper grooming in First class matches, youngsters from other nations will ruin their talent learning to become 20 ball cameo strikes and 4 over chuckers in the IPL.

  • McDuck on April 11, 2012, 6:25 GMT

    On a somewhat different note, T20 cricket as a whole should allow each bowler a maximum of 5 bowlers, not 4. For tests & ODIs, I understand that a team needs more bowlers due to several overs and several spells, but here, there is just 4 overs involved. So why not allow a team to select as few as 4 bowlers? That way, a team can select its 4 primary bowlers, and use the extra slot for either an all-rounder, or a specialist keeper, or even an extra batsman - if it has a really poor batting line-up. It also would reduce some of the runs being made if the most effective bowler(s) have an extra over to do their damage.

  • McDuck on April 11, 2012, 6:18 GMT

    I fully agree w/ this. This makes better use of the overseas players that every franchise payed generously for. The arguments in the article are right as well - right now, Indian players are likely to get selected regardless of whether they're performing or not simply due to this restriction.

    For instance, Bharat Chipli of Deccan Chargers will be selected no matter what, since the Chargers have an extremely mediocre domestic batting strength. When someone like Dan Christian fails, like he did against MI in a match they should have won, he'd have to be replaced by 2 overseas players - one batsman and one bowler. So DC could drop him and select Duminy and Thereon, but they'd also have to drop White as well. With a 5 player limit, they'd not have that problem. Also, PWI's issue w/ the IPL - where they wanted to be allowed 5 overseas players due to Yuvi's injury - would get covered as well.

  • avinash on April 11, 2012, 4:28 GMT

    I completely disagree, this is an Indian Premier League so Indian players should get first chance to play than foreigners.

  • Saurabh JG on April 10, 2012, 18:56 GMT

    I think karn is right from the future prospect of the game, atleast that gonna make the Indian players left with one choice-Show or Go..Moreover the audience gonna be more interested to see international stars playing in their cities, if someone thinks the other way round, than i must ask, how abt Ranji trophy, duleep trophy etc?

  • india_raj on April 10, 2012, 18:24 GMT

    Do you really mean it. or for the sake of posting you just post anything controversial to get attention. Your idea is like asking to allow 11 players easy ... and domestic players fighting to get their place.... hi hi.... there can't be a bigger joke than this........

  • saiki4116 on April 10, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    if you seen the teams of mumbai indians and Decccan chargers you can notice that MI can easily create two teams with their squad whereas DC are struggling to put out a team.if such provision is there,it will be abused rather than be useful teams that have more money can have more quality players playing playin in finalX1 and thus more one sidded matches may result

  • SUMITH on April 10, 2012, 16:49 GMT

    Instead of bringing in more competition in the local cricket it may just mean a lot more money flow into IPL as franchise would want to acquire more foreign players... it is INDIAN premier league meant fot the "budding" Indian players so bringing in more foreign players wont help.

  • Muhammad Sharif Ullah on April 10, 2012, 15:07 GMT

    There are 9 teams in IPL 5. So 9*7=63 Indian players needed to fill up the teams. But in first IPL needed 6*7=42 Indians player. I think it's difficult to find 63 quality Indians player. If it's permitted 5 foreign player then it's needed 54 Indians players. I think it's reasonable and it's higher then first IPL.

  • Muhammad Sharif Ullah on April 10, 2012, 15:05 GMT

    There are 9 teams in IPL 5. So 9*7=63 Indian players needed to fill up the teams. But in first IPL needed 6*7=42 Indians player. I think it's difficult to find 63 quality Indians player. If it's permitted 5 foreign player then it's needed 54 Indians players. I think it's reasonable and it's higher then first IPL.

  • Karan Mamgain on April 10, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    Grooming takes place in Ranji, Salve, and Syed Mushtaq trophies. IPL exists to reveal the creme de la creme of the Indian cricket. Honestly a pool of 63 is too big to choose from. IPL is for quality cricket and consumer satisfaction. @Jayesh - No doubts about that. I think Mumbai Indians are doing a terrific job, keeping many U-22 players in their squad, although they won't be playing anyone of them sometime soon.

  • Karan on April 10, 2012, 10:32 GMT

    Disagree!!Which captain will take in a T Suman, if he can play a Gibbs? Once Michael Clarke comes in, will an Indian player get his place just on the basis of a couple of better net sessions? Totally baseless...IPL is for the Indian domestic players to get their space in the limelight...not for the international stars...

  • Syed on April 10, 2012, 10:28 GMT

    Better to make squad for 12 member each match only for IPL matches. Only 11 player should be batted not 12 1 of player who is only bowler he should not be play batting.

  • bharath on April 10, 2012, 10:26 GMT

    give a team chance to play 5 oversees players it will gud 4 everyone telling that it is not oversees league then why the hell they brought foreign players>>>>>>>>

  • Hasan Shamim on April 10, 2012, 10:25 GMT

    I think its a great idea, and it can increase competition among the players. Of all the team we see four overseas players and each of them special one. Indian players have to compete less in a sense that their is no choice except picking up the players not performing well.

  • Somanath on April 10, 2012, 10:09 GMT

    If 4 slots cannot bring up the competition then how could a 5th spot be able to? i mean which team had picked only 3 overseas player instead of 4 till date? Obviously 5th spot would go to the overseas player. Captain would definitely bet his bread on overseas players as most of them are experienced than the local boys. This article is logically way off !!

  • Arvind Ramamurti on April 10, 2012, 9:35 GMT

    This will mean that Rajat Bhatia or RP Singh/ Munaf Will not even get the games they are getting now, because more likely than not, the 5th foreigner will be preferred and cement his place. It's nice the way it is, selections also adding to the interest of the game. Take RCB tonight for example, with Gayle, Dilshan, Murali and Mcdonald and De Veliers to Chose from for the foreigner's slot( The ones whom you were likely to drop performing brilliantly in the last game), with Vettori being an automatic selection.

  • Michael on April 10, 2012, 9:25 GMT

    Make a rule that every franchisee must use their all available signings at least 3-4 matches. then every player will get chance to perform and show their better than foreign players or not... now the max foreign players are 4.... any franchisee used 3 players in their playing XI .. ???

  • Hari on April 10, 2012, 9:24 GMT

    Comparing domestic players to international players is stupid. My suggestion is they can allow 5 foreign players for fielding.

  • vinay on April 10, 2012, 9:24 GMT

    i dont think playing 5 player will help indian cricket. the cricketer coming by facing competion. we have to increase the player grooming facility not to increase the competition.

  • Jayaesh on April 10, 2012, 9:21 GMT

    I will like to end what i stated earlier was that IPL governing council needs to make it mandatory for all franchises to have 8 Indian players under the age of 21 in there squad of 33.In football world various club through there academy groom 17-18 year players and then it is upon country to pick that player,but reverse seems to be happening in IPL where franchises are looking towards BCCI to help them with Indian players ,which explans the mad rush to sign Indian international players where an injured Sreesanth was picked for a good sum instead of looking for young local fast bowlers.

  • ASIM on April 10, 2012, 9:20 GMT

    I think 5 overseas players should be played in a match. because of the honour of great overseas players. many talented player shall be the spectators in that match... i think 5 players is must.............

  • Karan Mamgain on April 10, 2012, 9:14 GMT

    Okay, this seems to be the most common question: why five and not six or seven. Well, five internationals will insure that the majority of players are still Indians while maximizing the number of internationals, and therefore the balance. Plus, c'mon, people be realistic. Right now, there are 63 Indian starters. Do you think the selectors will look from a pool of 63 to choose the country's top XI? The bottom line is, there are too many mediocre Indian players, like Chipli, Venu Rao, Bipul Sharma, who barely have any prospects, and don't add much value to the IPL. What good is there presence for in the IPL?

  • kamesh on April 10, 2012, 9:06 GMT

    I first wondered how cricinfo guys actually flagged this article. Now I understand seeing the debate. To me having 5 players doesn't work even if you say it will improve standards. IPL doesn't need to compromise on its basic motive of uplifting indian standards in the name of improving quality. Consider the simple case, there are always about 50 quality players in India who are good enough to represent in IPL. 50/9 = 5 to 6 quality players to each IPL franchises.Findign the remaining 2 or 3 is the basic motto of IPL - improve Indian cricket standards by giving domestic players a chance in this marquee event.

  • Ram on April 10, 2012, 9:02 GMT

    @Karan- just a thought on your point regarding Watto, replacing an Indian player...Shane Watson is good enough that there are not many Indian cricketers/all rounders to replace him in an IPL team. So, to take your point, all those cricketers shouldn't play IPL? IPL gives a chance for a domestic player to face the likes of Dale Steyn and let them know what real fast bowling is, the likes of which is definitely not available in a Ranji Trophy match. IPL gives a chance for all those fringe players to share or hog the limelight while playing against international players. Did we know about Paul Valthaty, Ravindra Jadeja, Ajinkiya Rahane, Ashwin, Vinay Kumar, Asnodkar etc..before the IPL? some of them have played for the country off course. My point is it does not matter if there are 4 or 5 foreign players, regardless of that real talent will always shine, but the franchises if given a chance to play 5 international players will always play 5 and that would deprive a local youngster.

  • ks on April 10, 2012, 9:00 GMT

    Strange reasoning by the author. What he doesn't understand is Manoj thiwary wouldn't have got a chance to play if this 5 foreigners rule was present two seasons back because no owner wants to take a risk of playing a rookie even if he is more talented than international counterpart. 4 foreign players rule is good enough and we don't want a change in this rule

  • Ashish Kumar Sinha on April 10, 2012, 9:00 GMT

    This is a good point, but i think rather than allowing 5 foreign players for all league matches it should be for 8 league matches. And for Semi-finals and Finals also. For Champions League it should increase to 6 or may be more.

  • Mahesh on April 10, 2012, 8:50 GMT

    Interesting points. I have one basic question though - what is quality as defined in T20 cricket? We see Richard Levi ahead of Hashim Amla, Albie Morkel more established than Morne Morkel, Sunil Narine ahead of Swann, Kevon Cooper and Pollard ahead of better traditional format cricketers, Vinay Kumar ahead of James Anderson, etc. So in effect quality in T20 is measured differently. This point can be used to either support the author's views - international or local - talent definition is different and hence anyone can come in or we may be prejudiced that internationals offer better quality and hence they get all the chances. But basically, if we are looking at current international cricket, it is evident by the auction / selection of players, that no one sees T20 as a step to other formats.

  • Sai on April 10, 2012, 8:44 GMT

    Increase to 5 for overseas/over-the-hill indian players. Also, reserve 1 spot per team for under 21 indian player, 2 spots per team for under-25 indian player.

    With this model, retired indian players compete with 5 overseas slots. And 3 young players get a chance to play and improve their game.

    Being creative is the key here.

  • anil jaiswal on April 10, 2012, 8:41 GMT

    just check how many times in IPL an IPL team has not filled quota of 4 international players. whether international players are in form or not all teams are filling 4 players . if u increase the quota. they will fill them by internationals only this is sick mindset of ipl teams. they love to go on names not forms for example why not indian opener Gautam gambhir is opening in his IPL team. is kallis a better opener than gautam?

  • Vishwanath on April 10, 2012, 8:37 GMT

    IPL is a Franchise and the purpose would be best served when the best play. Allowing an extra foreign player would not change the game a great deal, rather it would just make it more interesting to watch.

  • Varun on April 10, 2012, 8:36 GMT

    Hahaha.. So funny.. No owner will field 3 or 4 foreigners when there are 5 slots in playing 11. Even if Balaji bowl better than de Lange or Tiwari is better than Morgan, Local guys will always be on the back of the foreigners in the owner's list.

  • Amit on April 10, 2012, 8:27 GMT

    If you want more competition, then reduce the number of teams in the IPL from 9 to 6. Currently, there are too many average players who are playing just to fill a spot in the team. These players never were and never will be of international quality. This includes a lot of foreign players. Fewer teams will mean that only the quality players get a chance and the quality of cricket will be higher too. The current version of the IPL is too long and by the middle of the tournament, people start to lose interest. There is cricket overkill. Instead, if they focus on quality cricket with 6 teams, there will still be a high quantity of games but we will see more competitive games and will be able to identify more quality cricketers, domestically and internationally.

  • Sayak on April 10, 2012, 8:10 GMT

    How about reserving the 5th slot for an uncapped player, say below 23, irrespective of he is Indian or not? In that case our young players will fight for that slot against overseas youth. And that should obviously provide a platform for youngsters while not compromising on the quality of cricket.

  • Anonymous on April 10, 2012, 8:08 GMT

    i want to see IPL teams sporting 3 overseas players instead of 4 and still be winning.....This was what IPL had meant to achive competetive local players.... where the Local domestic players enjoy giving drinks or hugging players once match is finished......

  • Jayaesh on April 10, 2012, 7:57 GMT

    I disagree about a fifth foregin player primarily on nationalistic lines,but i also have a sporting cosideration that in typical subcontinental conditions i.e flat tracks/low-slow wickets Indian batters are masters at bullying bowling attacks while foregin batters struggle.4 foregin spots should be given to fast bowlers,seam bowling allrounders or a top quality batsmen with a strikerate over 125 against plethora of spinners they will have to face,we are raising questions over 7 Indian players coz wrong Indian players are being selected.Franchises are trying to be safe when they keep on selecting washed up India rejects in the team for eg-Munaf Patel,R.P Singh,Sreesanth etc or some domestic veterans who were never good enough.Take Delhi team they have a Venugopal Rao who is not a 20-20 player but in Delhi Ranji circuit they have explosive players like Manan Sharma,Mohit Sharma who are not even in the squad,similar problems one will find in most of the franchises.Continued .....

  • Gorishankaor on April 10, 2012, 7:50 GMT

    If the logic is true (5 foreign players would make competition between foreign and local players), why not 6/7/8/..no limit? from which study you got 5?

  • Hadaram on April 10, 2012, 7:38 GMT

    The article is full of bad logics: 1. if there are 5 foreign player places, always 5 foreign players will get chance (have you seen yet that less than 4 foreigners had played a game)- so it will not make any compitition between foreign and local players.

    2. in fact, current format is giving a chance for local players- thats why sometimes we can see the hard batting of Debobrata or bowling of Bhatia/iqbal abdullah.

    only 1 logic is acceptable: if 5 foreign players are played, international acceptance will be better. In that case, increase the number of IPL team with new format.

  • Kiran Raj on April 10, 2012, 7:32 GMT

    out of 18 matches allow 5 foreign players only for 9 matches..so each team can decide when to use extra foreign players..for semifinal and finals it should only be 4...

  • Debasish on April 10, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    i think you have completely lost the plot up there. If you give the IPL teams to pick 5 foreigners they will definitely pick 5 foreigners and not an indian in his place. we are talking about domestic fringe players against international players. there is no question of competition. so no matter what rajat bhatia does(if he gets a chance) ten Doeschate will always get the preference.

  • Sahir on April 10, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    I completely agree! At least five foreign international players should be allowed. There is no comparison between international player & a domestic player.

  • damoder reddy on April 10, 2012, 6:36 GMT

    its an awful idea,because if u play 5 overseas players our IPL team owners only believe in Foreign players.they wont give any chances to youngsters from India,its purely business for them.they spent money so they have right do anything to win

  • Ajit on April 10, 2012, 6:35 GMT

    Assumption: The franchises will not buy another good foreign player to fill 5th spot. What happens now: Franchises buy foreign players knowing they have to compete for 4 places. What will happen: Franchise will buy foreign players knowing that they have 5 spots for them. Conclusion: indian youngsters will now compete with each other for remaining spots. It may improve competition but only among themselves....so quality improvement is still questionable.

  • Ashish Anand on April 10, 2012, 6:32 GMT

    This can't be possible as not all the teams have the luxury of having 5 good overseas players. Take the example of PWI or DC for that matter. They dont have even 4 good overseas players. Forget about 5. And this kind of a thing would be an unfair advantage to teams like MI or KKR or CSK, as they are full of good international players just waiting to play. Consider a MI team with 5 good overseas players plus Sachin,Harbhajan, Rohit Sharma, Munaf Patel. They would become virtually unbeatable. Think of a RCB squad with Gayle,AB, Murali, Vettori and Dilshan plus Kohli,Zaheer,Vinay kumar and Kaif. Who would be able to beat such teams. Teams like PWI and DC will continue finishing last again and again.

  • Sanket on April 10, 2012, 6:14 GMT

    There is no evidence that the presence of international players in a domestic league improves the quality of domestic players. If that were the case, the English cricket team would have been the strongest in the 1980s. After all, all the great West Indies and Pakistani players, besides the English players and many South African players of "international" quality, played regularly in the County matches.

    Viv Richards scored more runs for Somerset than he did for West Indies.

  • Sanket on April 10, 2012, 6:10 GMT

    I'm with Karan too. And for all those who question if the IPL has produced even 1 good quality Indian player - what about Kohli, Ashwin, Jadeja, Rahane, Rahul Sharma, Ashok Dinda et al? Even Raina and Rohit became popular and tier 1 players because of the talent they displayed over the years in the IPL. --------------------------------------- Ashwin, Rahane, and Dinda were playing and performing well in Ranji trophy before IPL happened.

    Kohli and Jadeja were part of the world cup winning U-19 team.

    Rahul Sharma is a below-par bowler who somehow performs well in IPL (like Paul Valthaty)

    A good player will perform well in most places. What has the IPL got to do with the success of Kohli, Ashwin, Dinda, Rahane, and Jadeja?

    I do not have any problems in 5 international players but I do not see why the 5 cannot become 6. The best solution is to close the IPL, expand Syed Mushtaq trophy, and allow foreign players there. n

  • MUHAMMED TAWFIQ on April 10, 2012, 6:06 GMT

    This is an idea borrowed from Bangladesh Premier League but in fact a good idea. IPL is wasting their overseas players potential.It is business cricket and entertainment should be the basic.If 6 local players play, then 6*9=54 local players will play, outside 25-30, all are local players outside national team.So, 25 league players get the chance, how many league players do you need to come to national team?

  • Abdullah Haamid on April 10, 2012, 5:48 GMT

    here is how it is, if four players are allowed, generally franchises will go for four top class overseas players and two or three or may be more as contingency and slightly below par if i may say. If 5 are allowed, they will acquire 5 world class players. Where is there a spot for an indian player. pretty plain logic, huh?

  • GUEST AB on April 10, 2012, 5:32 GMT

    IPL has made its mark, but is losing the magic. It needs to be reinvented to cater to the market. Such topics therefore are quite timely and good for the game.How about grouping the imports under 'senior' and 'junior' labels so that we can see the emerging talent in the international arena.But we need to see the stars too. The inclusionj of the overaged players need to be discouraged as it slows down the pqce and quality of the game, unless they are really good and can contribute (not just big names). Based on the impact, the youngsters may even command higher payments. So my prposal is to consider national, foreign and youth quotas (at least 2 per playing side, under 21 yrs)

  • vatsa on April 10, 2012, 5:31 GMT

    its indian fast bowlers who can't compete with foreign fast bowlers. we have very good batsmen, fielding is also improving. So If a 5th foreign player is to be played he should be a bowler, since IPL is a batting dominated, we need more competition. and bowlers of caliber bret lee, pattisson doesn't have to sit out for ordinary players. so allowing 5 players with mandate of 3 fast bowlers can be done.

  • sachin on April 10, 2012, 5:25 GMT

    yes its right because .....Indian 63 foreigns 36

    but Indian domestic 30(appx)

    except some 5 or 6 ,max 10...utilised this great platform but renaining talentless..waste

  • Ashok on April 10, 2012, 5:22 GMT

    I for one watch IPL for the unknown Indian player who shows up and performs. I dont care as much about this team or that team. Last season it was Rahul Sharma and Iqbal Abdulla. Earlier it was guys like Sidharth Trivedi, Ashwin and Murali Vijay. Quotas are not the solution anywhere, but IPL is primarily a domestic cricket league that is fun to watch. Frankly, if there were no international players it will be just as fun to watch. As an analogy, Bollywood is crap by international standards but yet is fun to watch. Bringing in a quota of 25% for international performers will improve Bollywood but hey, who cares. Sport is not technology or commerce. We dont need to compete with the entire world. We just need to be entertained.

  • Rahul on April 10, 2012, 5:12 GMT

    The author has a valid point here but there is one problem. How do you expect a non international player like Debrata Das or Iqbal Abdulla to compete against vastly experienced players like Ryan ten Doeschate and Sunil Narine? Any cricketer who has played international cricket will tell you the sea of difference between first class and Internationale cricket. If the pure intention of making IPL competitive and encourage local first class players then I guess way to go is allow 7 internationals 3 first class players and 1 under 19 players in each team. Let Tiwari, Munaf and RP Singh compete with the likes of KP, Mitchell and Watson as all have played international cricket. Irrespective of the country each team should be allowed to play 7 International players and then in their company the local players will learn, flourish and compete. It will make the game competitive and encourage franchise's to find, nurture and promote local talent.

  • Vaisakh on April 10, 2012, 5:00 GMT

    Very Bad Idea Sirji...!!! Your logic of making best from competition wont work in IPL because its a money business not to promote any India youth or what ever ! Teams owners will pick the 5 foreign players in all the matches even though they are some of them are out form because team owners will not try with local (also they are highly paid than local ones )

  • Ankit agrawal on April 10, 2012, 4:39 GMT

    i do not agree..its indian premiere league

  • Jayant on April 10, 2012, 4:27 GMT

    The problem with this idea is:

    1. Today you're demanding 5 foreign players and there's no guarantee you won't demand 6 or 7 or 8 tomorrow (going by your own logic that an Indian player would face fiercer competition with a foreigner)

    2. Foreign player would simply walk into the side, rather than competing for his place in the side. All the teams have 8-10 well established foreign players who have proved their credentials over a period of time. There's no way the franchisees wouldn't put that experience to use.

  • upendra shah on April 10, 2012, 4:27 GMT

    though IPL want to bring young indian talent up! i would not be wrong to say each team can play with 5 overseas player at least for 5 games out of 16 game, and thats must be done before semi-final and final.both national and international player gets opportunity more important it will mention the competition...

  • Tushar on April 10, 2012, 3:49 GMT

    Well I think I was misunderstood the idea is to limit the total number of players used. For example if each team is to play 12 match then they get 48 player credit. If they use 5 foreign player in first match for the rest of the matches they can only use 43 players depending upon them how they many they want in each match. The scope for Indian players dosen't gets dimnished in any way at all. In fact in some scenarios it may even help them. Consider a franchise wants to save on the players credit and decide to field a side comprising 9 Indian players in the earlier half. Now more people get chance and if they perform they are propelled to even greater opportunities.

  • thePakistanian on April 10, 2012, 3:46 GMT

    I think one thing CRICKET in general is lacking, is some real International League! I also get the point of limiting international players to give domestic ones a chance. But we need a World Premier League (sort of)! In which every team picks whatever team they want, irrespective of which country the players belong! I mean no one asks Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester Utd, Ac Milan, Real Madrid or Barcelona to put local players in their team! They pic the best team, from there squad! So IPL or BPL & PPL (when started) & any other Domestic T20 Leagues are right to limit international players number but we need an International league! Like European football! & so we can then have the best of the Best to play together! It's good for game & for us fans! Watching all big, great players in one team! When will this happen!! I hope it does!!

  • Sen Saban on April 10, 2012, 3:42 GMT

    It is the Indian Premier League. Whatever lipstick you put on the pig, it is an Indian domestic league primarily. Reports of it having massive following amonsgst non indians in other cricket playing countries is exaggerated. IPL should not be trying to emulate Premier League football but more on lines of other domestic cricket leagues- English county cricket or BigBash where there is a restriction on foreign players and rightly so. It is a fact that Indian players do not match up with international players. Infact same would happen if you flood county cricket or big bash with international players and let the local lads compete. There is a reason why international players are 'international'class. It is unfair to make indian domestic players compete with them for a place in the team. And honestly no owner/coach would risk with Indian players against international players just based on potential.

  • Premchand on April 10, 2012, 3:35 GMT

    5 Foreign PLayers is a CRAP idea! If a team fields 3 foreign Batsman in the top6 then obviously u r left with no more than 5 overs at the most for the Indian players to play with. put 2 allrounders to the mix of Pollard/morkel/Bravo/Kallis calibre - then 1 or 2 overs of batting is what they can dream of. Without any rule to restrict number of overs a batsman can face like the bowlers are restricted you cannot stop Players like Kallis/Hussey/Devilliers playing right through...IF YOUR CONCERN IS QUALITY THEN COME DOWN ON NUMBER OF FRANCHISES. 8 Franchises with 4 foreign PLayers is an Excellent IDEA. But Greedy ORGANIZERS/POLITICIANS Have LET INDIA DOWN AS EVER!!!

  • Jeremy on April 10, 2012, 3:09 GMT

    I'm intrigued at the number of people who are opposed to having five foreign players. Surely it's in everyone's best interest to see the best standard of cricket, played by the best available players. If the intent of the IPL is to showcase Indian talent, then why have four foreign players, why not just three, or why have any at all?

  • Ampal on April 10, 2012, 2:55 GMT

    BS. Completely illogical. If 5 overseas player then everytime it will be 5 overseas players and indian players will have to complete within themselves.

  • raghav on April 10, 2012, 2:52 GMT

    Apply the same logic and it will say 6 foreign players will make it more competitive. Apply the same logic again and it will say that 7 foreign players will make it even more competitive.

  • VjS on April 10, 2012, 2:10 GMT

    It doesn't matter even if IPL body allows 11 foreigners.If you are good enough, you gonna play else you sit in bench and pocket your money. Is there anyone can take Dhoni/Sachins place in IPL. No, it's impossible. Because they are good. It's creating competition for the places. Playing 7 Indians(current format) not gonna help much. If you wanna improve domestic talent then every Team must forced to play a U-21/ U-19 player. Every Team driven by winning and making money. If domestic player isn't good enough why should they play them??

    To the ppl who opposing this... How many of you watching Ranji trophy and other domestic matches ever week???

  • Golu on April 10, 2012, 2:08 GMT

    Very interesting article. But we have already seen some healthy domestic talent in Pandey, Rahul Sharma emerge from IPL. This season Ankit Sharma, Ankit Chavan, Amit Singh have proved themselves head and shoulders above the rest. Giving more opportunities to Indian players will only help. Allowing 5 foreigners will only give the teams leeway to field teams with heavyweight international stars and ignore one domestic talent. That is the trade-off for the above scenario right now.

  • Arun Sadasivan on April 10, 2012, 1:55 GMT

    brainless logic pal... When you have one more spot for a foreign player, you also have a much larger pool of foreign players to select from, not a single player. And you have 7 Indians in the squad to replace with and all of them are certainly not of same quality. The competition for the fifth spot will be between two foreign players only for sure.

  • Sriraj on April 10, 2012, 1:53 GMT

    @Gopala Krishnan H A: That's the most disappointing thing I've read about IPL in a while. Of the guys you named only Rahul Sharma can be actually termed a find of IPL. Kohli had already captained India U-19 to a WC victory and already highly regarded in cricket circles. Ashwin and Jadeja have been playing the Ranji Trophy for a while and the IPL merely brought them to the limelight. Ajinkya Rahane has scored heavily in the Ranji Trophy for years and averages 65-odd in FC cricket - the whole cricketing community knew about him! Ashok Dinda had a breakthrough season for Bengal in the Ranji Trophy this year. I suggest you please do follow FC cricket before tuning in to the IPL because it will help you understand the potential of cricketers like Harshal Patel, Pankaj Singh, Deepak Chahar, Chand, Zol, Badrinath, Mukund, Bisht etc.

  • Ram Ganesh on April 10, 2012, 0:26 GMT

    I would have to completely disagree with this article and the logic behind it.

    Let us take into consideration that "MOST" foreigners, barring a select few foreign recruits are players of high standards and have at least represented their country at an international level. There are exceptions, but the general norm is such.

    By allowing 'five' foreigners to take field, you're assuring that 5 players of international quality and standards are taking the field; NO ONE in their right mind would opt for a lesser known local player instead of a proven foreigner in their ranks.

    Being a player myself, I can say that net practice can in NO WAY compare to 'actual' match practice and experience. Youngsters are getting their chances that way. It is absolutely futile to expect local players to replace a foreigner especially in crunch match situations without being given the chances. And by raising the limit to 5, you're going to be taking away the little chance that they already have!!!

  • kingg007 on April 9, 2012, 23:55 GMT

    i got a better idea....for all who think that the number of foreign players should be reduced....only play Indian players in the ipl and dnt allow foreign players to play....and no one wud even watch ur ipl...lol...

  • Abhishek on April 9, 2012, 23:53 GMT

    I think this is immature on some people's part to disregard this article. Few of the points which i can mention are 1. We already have Ranji trophy, Dilip Trophy and many other cricket tournaments where Indian players can showcase their talent. 2. IPL is not only about nurturing young Indian players but also about sheer entertainment value, hence might want to see good quality oversee players rather than watching subsided Indian players who are their only because of this ceiling system. 3. Increasing the allowed number of overseas players will increase the standards of the play which will help the rest 5 Indian players greater than playing 6 with no or little standards. #FOOD FOR THOUGHT

  • chigrad on April 9, 2012, 23:40 GMT

    Agree with the article. The current formula of 4 international players also affects the quality of cricket. Viewers are forced to watch mediocre domestic players rather than quality international players. Way too many quality players are left on the bench because of the current cap on international players.

  • aravind on April 9, 2012, 23:33 GMT

    we all know IPL is a good platform for the upcoming champs in India.I feel its unfair to slot more than 4 foriegn players. But Considering the viewers and lenghth of Ipl format, IPL can be made more interisting by brushing some changes in Rules.

    1. Including 5 foriengn players in any of 8 league games , semis and final. 2.Like a super sub a player can be swapped with a another player or viceversa in each innings .

  • kdg on April 9, 2012, 23:31 GMT

    The comments on this piece that suggest that this excellent suggestion would take away from the IPL's apparent mission of developing Indian talent are utterly risible. The IPL exists to make money for cricket boards, cricketers and broadcasters, and as a vanity project for a few billionaires who are willing to spend money in the pursuit of glamour. It doesn't matter whether you allow one overseas player, or eleven- you're not going to develop any Indian talent through 20/20.

  • Durber UK on April 9, 2012, 22:56 GMT

    We support IPL. This is our Indian league. We love our cricketer but my personal opinion is if the authority allow 5 foreign players than the tournament will be more competitive because it is hard to see that some of our older players still playing and taking a place from young star. For example - Ganguly, Dravid, Shachin. They are not T20 specialists then how our young star will learn from them, if they fail continuously. On the other hand player like Shakib....Asia cup man of the tournament get chance and play well then our young star can learn something from them. Older players are still playing because of money nothing else. Apart from this issue, some of our players are also very average. There are more perfect players available in India. Find out them and get them chance. My view is overall tournament will be more competitive if five foreign players get chance.

  • Kulkarni on April 9, 2012, 22:25 GMT

    IPL has nothing but a quota system- to put it straightforward. For me as a spectator, I am missing out on the quality. It is a shame for game of cricket (and IPL) to have proven and talented foreigners not playing but just sitting on the sidelines.

  • Ross on April 9, 2012, 22:21 GMT

    I don't think he is denying that there will be less Indians playing. But his hope is that with fewer Indian spots and a better standard of competition, there will be *better* Indians playing. The quantity of Indians is less important than the quality. The national team will only ever have 11 players.

  • Vraj Shah on April 9, 2012, 22:19 GMT

    Its a good idea Mr Mamgain but it wont be that effective. Honestly You think any team would just play 4 overseas players if rule is implemented. Bhatia sits out for sure and they play shakib or ryan Ten doeschate. Several teams could even play just 3 overseas players at the moment but always you want to play your best and usually overseas players are better in each team as all good local players get distributed equally and 2 out of the 7 local spots usually are taken by a young talent which is good for IPL and the sport and if you idea is implemented this would not happen.

  • Shashanka on April 9, 2012, 21:38 GMT

    Here is a radical idea. All teams must be given (since they play 16 matches in the league) say around 5 trump cards to be used. A trump card is something a team can play, before the start of a given match, and with one trump card they can pick an extra international player for that match (so 5 foreign players instead of 4). This will add an interesting twist to strategy of team composition (depending on opposition, current standings etc), as well as keep Indian players on their toes, knowing that the team might strategically choose an extra foreign player for a certain match, and he shouldn't be the one sitting out.

  • Lokesh on April 9, 2012, 21:18 GMT

    Interesting Idea, one worth trying atleast. Raising the stakes, making it tougher to be in the team will definitely get some folks to up their game. After all, its better to have fewer high quality players emerge rather than many average ones.

    I agree that fewer Indian players will get the opportunity, but I think the positives outweigh the negatives. More viewership, higher quality cricket and more competition.

  • Amen on April 9, 2012, 21:08 GMT

    I agree.

    We can not have quotas. Indians criticize and do not like quotas or restriction when Western nations do it in Computer or Engineering fields so that native born people can get jobs currently dominated by Indians.

    Also it is reducing the quality of the league with many well known and good foreign players sitting on the bench.

  • nsriram on April 9, 2012, 21:03 GMT

    This is really a no-brainer and it is surprising why this quota of 4 is so rigidly in place when all the evidence is that there aren't enough quality Indian players to fill the 60 odd slots available. An in-between rule might allow 4 players + 1 player from either pak/bd/sl (oh I forgot that Pak players dont play in the IPL). This way the Shakib-al-Hasans do not need to unnecessarily warm the bench and the games would generate more viewership and teams would have more flexibility. None of the mediocre (and even not so mediocre) players have any chance of playing international cricket. On a different point, I feel that the 20 overs could be increased by 5 overs (and 5 overs per bowler) to make the game look more like cricket and less like gilli-danda.

  • Raghu on April 9, 2012, 20:30 GMT

    There is not enough world class qualty internationally, to form even 5 IPL teams to compete at the highest level. IPl is in a different league compared to those of foddball and I am sorry to see that that so much money splashed out at that quality level? It appears to be more of a social outing for fans

  • Srikanth on April 9, 2012, 20:20 GMT

    I would like to see the following changes in the IPL 1. Total of 12 teams, divided into 3 divisions - say South, West, and North/East. each division has 4 teams in it. Each team plays its division members twice, home and away, 6 games, and then plays the other 8 teams once, 4 homes and 4 aways. That way, each team will play 6+8 = 14 games. Final 4 would be the 3 toppers of their divion and 1 other team which did not top their division but has the highest points among all those teams that failed to top their respective divisions. 2. No player can play in more than 12 games out of the first 14 games. That way, players who warm benches will get a chance and player fatigue will also be in check. And teams will also have to rest their players smartly. 3. Teams are allowed to have 5 foreign players for 2 games out of 14 games, both home games may be.

  • anand on April 9, 2012, 20:14 GMT

    You seem like some one with no common sense. How come allowing 5 players improve the youngsters dude? Our youngsters will have to compete among themselves for filling remaining 6 slots.

  • ARaj on April 9, 2012, 20:09 GMT

    To provide an unbiased view on this article, the point made by author has its pros and cons and neither of them clearly outweighs the other side. In that respect the language of the article shouldn't be biased towards one, it should have been more like a suggestion while discussing both sides of the coin. That piece was missing and hence you got so many comments downplaying your article. By the way one question comes to my mind, if IPL originally had a limit of 3 international players, would you (author) had suggested that limit to be relaxed to 4 players or 5 players??

  • Ashiq on April 9, 2012, 19:58 GMT

    The idea is good to increase the potentials of Indian players and i personally feel that this should be allowed for at least one season of IPL.In a country of over 120 crore of population don't you have such a players who can compete with the foreigner,who then can became a part of our team an make them a solid without any loophole,such as our bowling department is at the moment.

  • krishna on April 9, 2012, 19:27 GMT

    I am not understanding the author's logic of 5 foreighn players, other than losing Indian players on matches. there are already 4 overseas slots, I am sure that helps a good mix of talents across cricketing nations. And if it's closely observed, the best of talent is generally(or most foreign players) are from Aus followed by SA. Besides making huge money on IPL, I feel BCCI should develop domestic in the lines of Aus and SA. They have such a strong bench, overflowing talent. Where is it coming from, what did are they doing to produce it ? IPL is partially an answer, it gave birth to Yousuf Pathan, R Ashwin, R Jadeja etc... these are good at domestic level. We need some one like Kallis, shane watson. After all commercial interest can only survive if there is some talent...(domestic).

  • vaibhav on April 9, 2012, 19:27 GMT

    there is no doubt that having 5 player in the playing 11 will boost the quality of cricket and viewership but projecting it as step that will motivate indian domestic players to perform better so that they can replace international player in the fifth spot, is utter non-sense... for example : how will th kkr managmnt will decide who is better player between shakib and a new domestic player?? auther suggests that they will consider performance in nets..are you kidding me? how can any one compare the performance of a player in an international match and the performance in nets?? it is not always abt talent its also abt performing under pressure.. interational player will mostly perform btter than an indian player who hasn't played a pressure game..due to this logic there will always b 5 non indian international players in the team. i might support playing 5 players but it will defintly kick one indian player out of the playing 11 .

  • Mark on April 9, 2012, 19:24 GMT

    The problem with IPL is that the domestic Indian players are dull as dishwater. They aren't super big hitter, super big turners, super fast bowlers or super athletic fielders coming up the ranks. Even after watching so many IPL matches, I can hardly tell one player from the other. Everyone bats almost exactly the same way and bowls either medium pace or quackish spin almost with the same action. For the matter, all the IPL teams feel the same. I can't tell one team from another in terms of strategy, strengths, weaknesses etc. A couple of teams I remember from the key players they have but the rest just draws blanks from me. For me, IPL still hasn't found what it is about. Everyone is smiling because of the huge paychecks but it hasn't spurred innovation or provided really exciting cricket. The main problem is that there is no huge risk/reward associated with anything IPL. Everyone is paid and then everyone is going through the motions. I feel I should be enjoying IPL but I'm not.

  • Hari Chhetry on April 9, 2012, 19:18 GMT

    Mr Mamgain it is better you stayed away from India as your comments are not serious in nature, in fact, i find it a joke. Dont forget it is called IPL which stands for Indian Premier League and not for International Premier League. International players are allowed to play so that Indian players can gain from them so why should it be 5 foreign players? You please watch the IPL (the tamasha as you said) from Indonesia on TV. Thanks for the laugh, though.

  • Hasan on April 9, 2012, 19:07 GMT

    What a waste article! 5 foreign players means death to Indian players. By your logic, I think there should no limit on foreign players, then everybody will try hard to get spot in team and thus "produce" best cricketers.

  • Gshaw on April 9, 2012, 19:02 GMT

    Meaningless article. I will tell you where you are going wrong: "If Manoj Tiwary and Morgan are competing for a finisher's spot...", anyday, Morgan is going to get the place. There is some reason it is specified "maximum 4 foreigners", and not "maximum 7 Indians".

  • Nik on April 9, 2012, 19:00 GMT

    Flawed theory. Pretense are too many to risk your solution.1) not all franchise have that many strong foreign or even Indian bench. 2) Will promote "competition" with foreigners. Not foreign Vs Indian player. 3) Prejudice Captains, Including even Indian captains,loves foreigners,not for skills, just for being foreigner!! You can see plenty of evidence in bowling dept where a best Indian bowler will not even complete his full quota, for being Indian.

  • Arun on April 9, 2012, 18:50 GMT

    Its not the matter of playing 5/4 overseas players to be played in IPL but its the matter of concern that how the Indian youngstars are showing their performances during the league so that they can get a place in Indian squad.India has very much talent when Batting is concerned .But when it comes Bpowling india's number comes First place in the last.,So give more chance to Explore the indian talent not the forreigners..so its called IPL....

  • Arun on April 9, 2012, 18:49 GMT

    Its not the matter of playing 5/4 overseas players to be played in IPL but its the matter of concern that how the Indian youngstars are showing their performances during the league so that they can get a place in Indian squad.India has very much talent when Batting is concerned .But when it comes Bpowling india's number comes First place in the last.,So give more chance to Explore the indian talent not the forreigners..so its called IPL....

  • Chandar on April 9, 2012, 18:39 GMT

    I think 5 players should be allowed and yes it will put pressure on some Indian domestic players to perform otherwise they will be replaced by foreigners.Lets take Mumbai Indians, they have Gibbs,Mitchell Johnson, Davy Jacobs, Mckay and Perera all very capable t20 players but not given chance while the likes of Suman or Karthik playing.5 foreigners will also make the IPL more interesting. Someone said its Indian Premier League not Overseas Premier League but look at English Premier League where most teams have more foreigners in their team than British players.With 5 foreigners captains will have more choice and strength with their team.

  • tanjimul on April 9, 2012, 18:26 GMT

    once tamim said that the only reason that shakib is not a starter in ipl that he is a bangladeshi! honestly i dont think jacque kallis is that a great t20 player.his strike rate is 110 being an opener and t20 is not a game where you need a sheet anchor to hold and an explosive player from other end.20 overs is too short for all these fuss.if you are an t20 opener just go and express yourself.for me shakib is far better choice in t20 than kallis.kallis can play an innings of 45 from 40 balls but cant play 70 of 40 balls while shakib can

  • Matoo on April 9, 2012, 18:18 GMT

    If any of you follow football, you would know that he same debate exists in english football as to whether there should be reservations for english players. The most salient point made against it is that the only players it protects are those who arent good enough to play for england anyway. Were there no reservations in the IPL, how many Indians would make it to the starting xi? Maybe 2 or 3 per team. But thats still about 20-25 players, and these would be the best 25 players who truly deserve to be playing cricket for India on a regular basis. The IPL may stand for the Indian Premier League but it has a responsibility now to accept the fact that it is the one competition that has the power to get non-cricket viewers interested in the game, and allow players of any nationality to play.

  • Keshav on April 9, 2012, 18:10 GMT

    If 5 players are allowed teams will buy more foreign players. secondly I would completely disagree with the point out comparing an international player with an Indian player since the foreign player has wast experience of playing at different places he will 8 out of 10 times perform better than the Indian Counterpart.

    The immaturity of the column lets me believe that either this is a paid news or the writer has no understanding of the IPL or a corporate leagues.

    This would have made more sense if we were talking of a domestic league rather then IPL. Also, it does not mean I in any way support playing foreigners in domestic league (e.g. Ranji, Irani trophies)

  • Anonymous on April 9, 2012, 18:07 GMT

    Actually IPL does something for young talent in 1st time. Remember, Virat Kohli is a talent discovered by IPL. I think there should be a rule to use uncapped young player i,e 2 or 3 uncapped players should be in every team's playing 11. No need to extend quota of foreign players.

  • tanjimul on April 9, 2012, 18:07 GMT

    once tamim said that the only reason that shakib is not a starter in ipl that he is a bangladeshi! honestly i dont think jacque kallis is that a great t20 player.his strike rate is 110 being an opener and t20 is not a game where you need a sheet anchor to hold and an explosive player from other end.20 overs is too short for all these fuss.if you are an t20 opener just go and express yourself.for me shakib is far better choice in t20 than kallis.kallis can play an innings of 45 from 40 balls but cant play 70 of 40 balls while shakib can

  • simhadri on April 9, 2012, 18:06 GMT

    The extra innings isis/ in hindi. This is an instance of imposition of hindi on non hindi speaking population. Can the hindi zealots stop th

  • Gopala Krishnan H A on April 9, 2012, 18:01 GMT

    I'm with Karan too. And for all those who question if the IPL has produced even 1 good quality Indian player - what about Kohli, Ashwin, Jadeja, Rahane, Rahul Sharma, Ashok Dinda et al? Even Raina and Rohit became popular and tier 1 players because of the talent they displayed over the years in the IPL.

    Increasing to 5 is a positive step forward.

  • Karan on April 9, 2012, 17:28 GMT

    @Fahad Chowdhury - That comparison was nowhere to be made. Shakib Al Hasan is one of my favorite cricketers, and especially in the subcontinent, he's probably one of the most valuable cricketers. Frankly, KKR are fools to miss out on his services, but one has to understand their side. McCullum picks himself because of his wicketkeeping. With both McCullum and Gambhir having a quiet time off late, Kallis is indispensable, plus he makes up for the second fast bowler. With an army of toothless Indian fasties, Lee picks himself too. So that leaves Narine vs Shakib. Since KKR already have Abdulla, who also bowls sla, Narine just wins the battle. But, in all honesty, I might still be tempted to choose Shakib, whose street smart, over Narine. Tough choice, but Shakib brings a lot to the table.

  • tanjimul on April 9, 2012, 17:20 GMT

    why people are saying that if 5 foreign players are allowed indian starlets wont get a chance?and why they are so sure that foreign players mean better players? :s its not name that teams want it is talent that matters.ok let me give an examle.messi the worlds best football player grew in la masia barcelona's youth academy.whoever saw him at his youth knew that this lad is something special and he started to rule world football from very tender age.so if barcelona have the best player in the world why they would go for an acquisition from a different league,they already have the best! similarly if an indian player is good enough to oust a foreign player why should any franchise go for that foreigner?can anyone in world cricket take the place of sachin in terms of batting even though he aan indian?national identity is nothing its just quality and talent which counts.the author is very right if you are good enough just take your place.no one can deprive you of what you deserve

  • Raj on April 9, 2012, 17:16 GMT

    I agree to certain extent that playing 5 players might bring out the best in a domestic player but at the same time I am also sceptical of the fact that owners might be biased towards foreign players & may overlook a domestic player..In my opinion the best unbiased approach to let the teams select 2 or 3 matches with the option of selecting 5 foreign players..this way we can address both the issues above & be unbiased both from the owners perspective & from bringing out the best from the domestic players.

  • Fahad Chowdhury on April 9, 2012, 17:07 GMT

    Seriously Comparing Shakib Al Hasan with Ryan Ten Doeschate ? No matter how hard India tries to upstage IPL as a positive for Indian cricket it will always be the money game.

  • Ram Nanduri on April 9, 2012, 17:05 GMT

    Very valid point from the author. It will definitely be a good thing to allow 5 foreign players- which is almost half the team. 5 foreign players is not a must, its an option, so, that increases the competitive spirit, options, and viewership.

  • John Hansel on April 9, 2012, 16:38 GMT

    What looses in this logic is players "Exposure" to the big stage ...

    A typical local pace talent who has played on our sloppy flat tracks will never be able to compete with a international fast bowler ... only way for way for him to learn/grow is for more exposure ... IPL teams are always in the lookout for a win not in it grooming players ... they can't afford to do that ... same logic to other players also...

    I think four is the right number ... * It sizable enough to increase the quality of cricket * It allows the right mix of domestic talent - All teams have to feature a few players who don't have Intl. exposure or have only played a handful of IND matches * UnrealThe value of Indian players go up exponentially ... More moola for the fringe players and bucket loads for impact players :) ... Ya its not fair when Vinay is a millionaire when many other intl. players don't get picked in the auction who are easily way better any day ... but rem it s meant to be an India tournament .

  • R VIJAYASARATHY on April 9, 2012, 16:38 GMT

    Coming to Prashant's idea of including foreign players in ranji trophy and pushing our domestic players to spend stints abroad..Logice holds good. But the point is even talented cricketers are not getting their due chances in Ranji trophy at their home sides.. They are instead playing for other states...Ex: R. Sathish (Assam), Vasanth Saravanan (Goa) and so on. They were actually scoring runs when they were disregarded at their home states before they joined ICL..

  • Sunil Parajuli on April 9, 2012, 16:28 GMT

    Why its said that IPL is about bringing out local talent?? I mean, aren't there enough domestic tournaments for this purpose? Let's take it as a premiership, 10 teams, no boundaries on limiting the players, lets make it huge success, not only in sub-continent but around the globe!

  • vicky on April 9, 2012, 16:22 GMT

    IPL gives exposure to foreign players to know about Indian players (bench strength) and playing conditions while depriving Indian players from the exposure of alien (foreign) conditions (playing in county cricket) and which clearly show onto our recent results outside subcontinent.

    I dont see any good for indian players except monitory gains that they are getting anything out of IPL to compete internationally.

  • Bibek on April 9, 2012, 16:11 GMT

    Ralther allowing 5 oversease players, i thk the format should allow to decide the playing eleven based on the performance. In my opinion format should allow to keep 3 oversease players as manderory and either one or two more other oversease in playing 11 based on the performance of a player n as decided by captain or management... In that way domestic player has to perform competing oversease player to secure spot in playing 11. This help to maintain presure in players mind so that each one or two in middle order or in the bowing line up has to perform well to secure playing XI. Selection of these two additional player's spot in team must remain with captain n management... In this way, i think, domestic player as well as oversease player has to perform best which will raise the bar of competetion....

    Bibek from Nepal

  • Prashant on April 9, 2012, 16:00 GMT

    Here is a better idea. Trash the IPL. Instead start including foreign players in the Ranji Trophy. Also make it a point to push domestic players into spending stints in English/Australian/SA county cricket. You are sure to get international quality players without the need for an additional (tamasha) league.

  • Nabeel on April 9, 2012, 15:52 GMT

    Last year, Tendulkar used only 3 out of the 4 foreign players allowed in his M.I team in order to bring out the best in some Indian youngsters. So no, not all teams use their full quota.

    Also, to all the negative comments, if a foreigner is good, why wouldn't you play him? If you think the IPL is all about bringing Indian talent to the attention of selectors, look at the price tags charged for some of the players, and the profit generated from such a tournament.

    Having 5 foreign players is excellent because team selection happens before the game and the captain and coaching staff will assess performances of each and every player before deciding the playing 11. it also allows for some foreign players to show their skills, which is beneficial to the other indian players on the pitch.

    if bhatia is better than tendo, he should be able to show that while they're in training. It's about the cricket. Not about the Indian players Oh, By the way, fantastic and thoughtful post.

  • Prakash on April 9, 2012, 15:37 GMT

    I totally disagree with this article. If they want to compete it will be between the indian players for the spot but not with foreign players. IPL was initiated to give indian local players an opportunity to play with foreign players to learn from them but not to loose a spot for them

  • Karan on April 9, 2012, 15:33 GMT

    @Tushar - Thanks for your thoughtful comment. I personally feel removing the ceiling would remove the "Indian" part from the IPL completely, and it will create more of an international league. With so many time constraints and leagues across the globe, I don't think that idea is very applicable in the foreseeable future. Five is a decent number, methinks, because it still ensures the majority is still Indian. Nevertheless, thanks a lot for sensible comment.

  • Ravi A on April 9, 2012, 15:14 GMT

    Sorry but bad option... The more foreigners you allow to play, the more the chances of Indian players reduce. Teams spend big bucks on the overseas recruits and they would want to use them as much as possible to get a good risk-reward return on their investment. If one additional foreign player is allowed to play, teams will make sure the foreigner plays even though he is not performing. And most teams have lot of foreign recruits. So it will be a competition between the foreign players. The Indian players will lose hope quickly and settle for drinks serving.

  • Tushar on April 9, 2012, 15:07 GMT

    The idea which I suggest regarding foreign players is eliminate any ceiling and give each team players credit for the tournament. The team may decide how many to use in each match, for instance, if a team think the next match is crucial for its campaign they may decide to use more foreign players for that particular match. I think it will add an extra degree of strategy to the team management. Thoughts?

  • Karan on April 9, 2012, 15:03 GMT

    @PM - Why is your comment published? It's good to have every once a while. @Vinay - That's an excellent point. That's a possible topic for another article. If I work on that article, I surely should be mentioning your name in the article.

  • Karan on April 9, 2012, 14:48 GMT

    @Vicjags - 1) This way, the majority would still be Indian, and therefore it'll be IPL. 2) Go back and read the article properly. 3) Which Indian on the bench do you think is good enough to replace White? I can't think of anyone. There are 7*8=63 Indian players, of whom barely 25 are capable of playing international cricket. The owners would have to be crazy to play non-international quality Indian players ahead of internationals. I don't mind your criticizing me or my opinions, but do come up with better points, please.

  • Vinay on April 9, 2012, 14:47 GMT

    Like EPL, There should be more teams in second division IPL for fringe players irrespective of which country they belong, they could be treated like associate teams at international level. if the team wins at second division level they could be promoted to division 1 IPL and one team could be relegated from division 1 to 2.

  • PM on April 9, 2012, 14:45 GMT

    I think question to increase number of player in IPL teams to 5 will be stupidity if it happens. It should be better if it is 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3,(only three not even 4) and captain of all the teams should be Indian.

  • rookie on April 9, 2012, 14:37 GMT

    i think 5 foreign players is a good ploy. it will work both ways, I as a viewer not interested in indian players quality, I am only interested in watching good hard fought close matches. if that's what fires the backsides, then let it be.

  • Vicjags on April 9, 2012, 14:35 GMT

    Is this article some kind of a joke, bcoz it has too many logical fallacies to be taken seriously. 1)How did u conclude 5 foreigners to be optimal to promote competition(why not 6, 7 or 8). 2)How will this change promote competition between indian and international players bcoz most teams have 8 or 9 foreigners and our local youth will still compete among themselves. 3)Hypothetically,even if bhatia and shukla outplay ten doeschate and shakib,what guarantee they will get a chance in theplaying XI, going by that logic cameroon white should be replaced by a local talent long back and till now how many ipl matches were played with less than 4 intr players a side?.... This article should be removed from cricinfo asap...

  • udayvarma on April 9, 2012, 14:34 GMT

    more international attention canmake cricket in to global level.as you state thats absolutly right.those likes of D Das,M Patel,LR Sukla,V Kumar,and many of that even not compatible with young cricketing nations.see that class of Ryan Ten,J Pattinson etc.But in IPL average players like R jadeja,Kumars are seems to get benefits.Talented test players are out of the team.How pity is the game now. wheres those Great players.Whats going on there.Huge pay outs wont last long.only because of money glamour,and indeed of great indian,and international playersIPL is getting attention not by the likes of Jadejas,and Kumars.

  • ajit on April 9, 2012, 14:30 GMT

    ipl's first aim is to entertainment and 2nd anything else , 6 indian players in each sides gives 54 indian players to play in 9 team and it is quite large no

  • Devraj on April 9, 2012, 14:24 GMT

    Yes it is a good idia. yes we can make IPL as international premier league with five foreign players. We can see more competation and exitmenet altogeter its good for the Owners.

  • Md. Hasanuzzaman on April 9, 2012, 14:19 GMT

    It has to understand KKR team management that Sunil Narine is not alternative of Shakib Al Hasan or Ryan ten Doeschate.

  • Ganesh on April 9, 2012, 14:16 GMT

    IPL, despite the 4 editions, has not thrown up a good, quality player yet. Increase the number of foreign players, and the chances of seeing Indian talent will go down further.

    Yes, IPL has given livelihood for mediocre cricketers like Rajat Bhatia, Mithun Minhas, Deb Das, Shikhar Dhawan, R Satish, Laxmi Shukla.....cricketers who have played donkey years without ever looking like making the higher grade. IPL has also marginal ex-cricketers like L Balaji, Parthiv Patel, Murali Kartik, Ashish Nehra....players who will never represent India again.

    IPL has also given career to lots of Bollywood stars and starlets. Beyond that, in cricket terms...I don't see any benefit accruing to Indian cricket.Our fielding standards have not improved, we still don't have a single match-winning bowler...and no replacements for our batting stalwarts in sight. IPL is good for the cricketers for making more money, and good as a mindless entertainment. But IPL as something good for Indian cricket ? Naaaah !

  • Vipul on April 9, 2012, 14:15 GMT

    I suppose this would only work if they had only 5 foreign players and not many to choose from. This is because if the pool of foreign players for a team is more than 5 then they will be competing with each other and no the Indians (juniors or seniors).Otherwise it wouldn;t matter if there are 3, 4, 5 or six. Also, I disagree with those who say there should be less than 4 foreign players...this is because if we don't have well known cricketers from all around the world participating...the IPL will loose its charm and viewership and with it dreams of developing Indian talent... so a word of caution regarding getting too carried away with feelings of patriotism without sound reasoning!!!

  • BAROT on April 9, 2012, 14:12 GMT

    I believe that IPL should stand for International Premier League. we awnt the best players in the world to compete. This is how baseball, football, ice hockey is professionally played in USA ( compete wit the best ). The public will get to see the "best " cricket and get their monies worth!

  • B S Kumar on April 9, 2012, 14:10 GMT

    Offer the foreign player the same wages as the Indian he displaces! See who is desperate!

  • Sreekanth on April 9, 2012, 14:10 GMT

    Its stupid. All we will teach them is fielding. The teams will make bowl with the foreigners and bat with them, and then the Indian internationals, and finally only in rare circumstances will a domestic player get to bat or bowl.

    Lets say we take 2/3 foreign batsmen, and then 2 indian internationals, so what is left for the domestic players in a 20 over game? Last two overs of the match to bat?

    Similarly, there will be 2/3 foriegn bowlers (including all-rounders), and atleast one indian international bowler, so at best one domestic bowler will get a chance, IF there is no other all rounder in the team.

    The domestic players will only be fielding, and not get any meaningful chances. and their performances will mean nothing. It is not a good idea.

  • Vinay on April 9, 2012, 14:09 GMT

    Hey!! Viewers need entertainment! World play sports to give entertainment, that's how it all started in ancient times. Why can't we play the best teams we have and give the viewers the best thing in history of cricket. For people who think otherwise, please groom the youngsters in other domestic tournaments like Ranji trophy, what's the significance of them , if grooming only happens by IPL.

  • Anonymous on April 9, 2012, 14:05 GMT

    5 foreign player is more logical. Locals are boring and talentless

  • lakshminarayana on April 9, 2012, 14:03 GMT

    I disagree with Karan Mamgain, the limit should be of 4 which is good now, Look at all the teams in the IPL except Rajasthan Royals all the franchise team openers are foreigners then how can India get a good T20 opener and u r saying they have to compete with foreign players, anyhow now they are competing with four which is good, There is no place for minimum 4 local players in any of the IPL teams, Bangalore has Vinay, Mayank who are from karnataka, MI had only Rohit sharma, CSK has Ashvin, Vijay, Bhadrinath, Pune doesnot have a single maharashtra player, KKR has Shukla and debavrath das, This is making our domestic players not getting a chance to play in the playing XI

  • Abhi on April 9, 2012, 13:59 GMT

    If 5 foreign players are allowed, what makes you think that the Franchises would even think about choosing between a foreign and Indian player for the 5th slot?

  • Sam on April 9, 2012, 13:58 GMT

    With 5 International players Bhatia would LOSE motivation as all he would be doing is keeping the bench warm,

    surely he has to perform better when he has to Bat/Bowl against international players in a match rather then in a net session.

    Which IPL squad doesn't use up their quota of 4 Overseas players? NONE Which IPL squad won't use up their quota of 5 Overseas players? NONE

    this means that 2 Indian players per match will miss out on the experience = BAD

  • Moorthy on April 9, 2012, 13:56 GMT

    IPL is not the charity game.if 5 foreign player allowed all the 5 ll be overseas players ll be decide by franchaisee owners.all 9 team still not tested our indian talents.still robin bist from dd,harshal patel(blr)shami ahmed(kkr)not got the opportunity to show their talent.

  • Moorthy on April 9, 2012, 13:55 GMT

    IPL is not the charity game.if 5 foreign player allowed all the 5 ll be overseas players ll be decide by franchaisee owners.all 9 team still not tested our indian talents.still robin bist from dd,harshal patel(blr)shami ahmed(kkr)not got the opportunity to show their talent.

  • Sush_BD on April 9, 2012, 13:52 GMT

    What nationalism can justify paying huge amounts to foreigners only to sideline most? And why on earth would India need to breed so many t20 specialists? IPL is subversively focused on making billions in a short time. All other t20 premiers play overseas players at a higher ratio to promote a grooming mix and worldwide viewership. Seven locals a game is too many and people lose interest when their national heroes are rested for no-name locals.

  • Jai M. on April 9, 2012, 13:52 GMT

    Vinit Bhandari, I disagree with you. So you are claiming, Bhatia can be a second-string player in KKR but end up in the national team. Oh, thanks for the laugh of the year, I'm amused. Plus, how many Indians are playing in other t20 leagues? If you have to criticize someone, make sure you are coming up with something more substantial before you call it terrible. Mr. Mamgain makes a very valid claim, which he sumps up in this line: "Can RP Singh and Munaf Patel keep Mitchell Johnson out of Mumbai Indians' starting XI? If no, then how do you expect them to step up their game in internationals?"

  • Bilal on April 9, 2012, 13:51 GMT

    allowing 4 foreign players has done nothing good and can anyone name few good players emerged through ipl, its still the same indian players who are in and around indian team so better allow 5 foreign players per side.

  • Abhishek on April 9, 2012, 13:51 GMT

    I would concur! Why 5 and why not 6? Because 5 is the highest no that a category can have in a cricket team while still leaving the other category as the majority! The other reason is that while the quality of Indian domestic batters is still ok, the bowlers bench not really that strong. Playing 5 foreigners should give more teeth to bowling attacks than batting- thus improving standards.

  • Gopalakrishnan on April 9, 2012, 13:51 GMT

    The problem is -> Every captain wants to WIN IPL and not identify and nurture young Indian Talent. So, of the 7 slots available, every captain stacks them up with 'established' Indian players rather than giving chance to new people. For example, for CSK, Dhoni would rather go with himself, Raina, Jadeja, Ashwin, Vijay, Badri, and Jakati/Aniruddha/Saha(who have proved in previous IPL editions) rather than give chance to budding youngsters. As Karthik as pointed out, the IPL owners would not want their captains to take risk as they have shelled out big money in signing these players.

  • Praveen on April 9, 2012, 13:45 GMT

    Agree completely. Especially since 2 new team were introduced (now only one remain) . It doesn't reduce the opportunity Indian players get. 8 teams had 7 indian players each = 56 10/9 teams with 6 Indian players = 60/54 but the level of cricket will improve dramatically by playing 5 foreign players per team, becasue of the increase in number of teams, it is difficult to fulfill all the indian players requirements with high quality indian players

  • Ron on April 9, 2012, 13:44 GMT

    Good thought,but unlikely to work with the current attitude of most of the young cricketers. For sure, more franchises would crop up, and instead of competing for a spot by playing to their full potential, players continue to play mediocre game and hope some franchise would give them an opportunity the following year.

  • Deshan Bodha on April 9, 2012, 13:44 GMT

    Surely any country's domestic league should be responsible for development of its players?? The Indian Premier League transcends the ordinary domesticity as its a huge money spinner and it was designed to be so. Indian players should be developed in its own state 20/20 competitions and then make the step up to IPL. HOWEVER, I believe that in any competition, a balance must be stuck between local and foreign. The current quota achieves this balance. In as far as owner's wanting the W, it makes sense. Just take a look at how many players are concentrating only on 20/20 cricket, as they know that they can play in lucrative 20/20 leagues around the world, all year round. Guns for hire. IPL is great....it has surely strengthened Indian Cricket.

  • Harry on April 9, 2012, 13:44 GMT

    I guess this is never ending debate.. If IPL allows 5 foreigners per team, then we discuss why not 6..

    The purpose of IPL is to improve fringe players in India.. So, I would say 4 foreigners is good enough..

  • madhu` on April 9, 2012, 13:42 GMT

    to allow more foreign players in IPL it will become IOL means international overseas limited, and this will not serve the objective of indian cricket. Every franchise has got good backup and it needs good strategy for KKR team no question of errors in T20 format...

  • R VIJAYASARATHY on April 9, 2012, 13:40 GMT

    This is purely a money based league. At one point in time you will see all foreign players contracted playing and the locals will be warming the bench.

  • Karan on April 9, 2012, 13:40 GMT

    Thanks all, for the input. I would like reiterate my point: If a player is not good enough to compete against internationals in his home conditions, how can he be good enough to compete in foreign conditions? Playing the mediocre Indian players does not do India any good. Take Rajasthan Royals for example. When Watto comes back, RD has a problem: who should sit out? By the look of things, either Owais Shah or Kevon Cooper will be sacrificed. Now let's take the five overseas player rule. I'd say, either Trivedi or Singh will sit out when Watto comes. Who on this forum sees either one of the two aforementioned player having the potential to play for India? None, I'd say. How are their inclusions serving Indian cricket. Please enlighten me. I'd appreciate, if you guys give valid arguments. All I'm saying is, if a player cannot do his international counterpart at the IPL level, why would it be any different at an international level.

  • Hemant on April 9, 2012, 13:37 GMT

    "Can RP Singh and Munaf Patel keep Mitchell Johnson out of Mumbai Indians' starting XI? If no, then how do you expect them to step up their game in internationals?"

    Well for starters could Kohlis Sharmas and Rainas keep the Dravids, Tendulkars, Gangulys and Laxmans out ? NO. They did it only after they got their chances. Tendulkar took a while to score his first ODI century. So dont jump. I am not trying to defend Munaf Patel or RP Singh. They would reap their fate. Though just because Mitchell Johnson is a brilliant bowler does not mean the rest are not entitled to even play. I suggest you step down from your ivory tower and look at it the way some of us are looking at it.

  • Varun on April 9, 2012, 13:36 GMT

    (1) There is too much politics in the whole process. IPL is there to provide entertainment and make money; it doesn't and has never helped Indian cricket. (2) Foreign players are gotten because they are box-office draws. Local newcomers are not, yet. If you give an option to the owners, they will go with the foreigners. (3) Paul Valthaty was the outstanding Indian player in IPL 2011, but he was not selected for India's T20s or ODIs. So what difference does IPL performance make?

  • sundar on April 9, 2012, 13:34 GMT

    Domestic players do not have international exposure and Rajat Bhatia surely cannot compete with Shakib . This is the only way to give him the exposure , so four international players are enough

  • cricsavvy on April 9, 2012, 13:32 GMT

    "If Manoj Tiwary and Morgan are competing for a finisher's spot, and Tiwary consistently comes out the winner, you know that he is someone of international quality."

    Couple of things-: 1) this doesn't necessarily make Tiwary a better international player than Morgan, just better than him in friendly home conditions. case in point - S Raina is a dominant batsman in India and he consistently outperforms M Hussey in the IPL. That doesn't make him a better international player because he still struggles against the rising ball and the swinging ball (Australia and England tours). 2) if competition is the main driver, it would be better facilitated with a rotation policy as opposed to fighting for playing spots so that everyone has an equal opportunity to perform on this stage but their performance will count towards selection for the national team.

  • Karan on April 9, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    @Karthik - You are forgetting, team selections are made how the players also perform in the nets. So, at the end of the day, it's the performance that counts. If Bhatia is better than RTD it will show sooner or later. @jack - I see, the objective is to bring out the best from the best local players. I, and a majority of viewers, will prefer to watch Angelo Matthews perform over Mithun Manhas. The bottom line is, the cricketing quality should be high to attract more viewers. I emphasize, the cricketers who deserve to play international cricket will eventually break into their sides. @Hari - I don't see how the logic is misplaced: if Rajat Bhatia is better than RTD and Shakib, then he will break in. If he's not good enough, then too bad for him. @acb - So you are saying four foreigners retains the Indian-ness of the IPL, but five creates overseas-ness? @Sadananda, Shailesh, and Sandeep - Thanks for the appreciation. I hope, I got the point across clearly.

  • Jagtej Singh on April 9, 2012, 13:24 GMT

    How about abolishing the cap for overseas players so Indian players work even harder? 4 is one too many already. Matches are being decided on Indian weak links and failure/success of overseas signings. Prime commitment should be to Indian players and Indian cricket. Coaches, physios, support staff are fine as India goes through the process of developing infrastructure and expertise. Playing roster should remain predominantly Indian supplemented by experienced overseas players who contribute way beyond their playing ability.

  • Nas on April 9, 2012, 13:24 GMT

    There should not be any limit it shold be subjected only to talent and performance whether he is foreign or domestic a good player is one who will deliver at any place at any situation at any level

  • Vinit Bhandari on April 9, 2012, 13:20 GMT

    Terrible article! The Rajat Bhatias of the IPL have plenty of incentive to do the best that their ability allows them to. They want to get noticed and thus that could lead the way into the national team or other t20 leagues around the world. They are not going to get the opportunity to do so if they cannot find a place in the playing eleven. And with the win-at-all-costs attitude of all the franchises, you can be rest assured that 5 foreigners will play every game.

  • Rajeevan on April 9, 2012, 13:17 GMT

    Karan, What'll happen if the team has choice of choosing more intl' players, then they'll obviously choose them. It'll not help Indian players. The Darwinism may not work here, as every franchise owner wants a win, they are not really interested in grooming Indian players, Grooming is just a side effect of restriction to 4 Intl' Players. Sorry I disagree with you...

  • Indraneel Mukherjee on April 9, 2012, 13:15 GMT

    Well written Karan. Completely agree with you. IPL should have done it last year itself when 2 new teams were added to the fray.

  • dean on April 9, 2012, 13:11 GMT

    there are prob as much cricket money in delhi and mumbai than in the rest of the world combined - while a charming thought that organisers would like to increase intnl viewers, what they should rather aim for is giving indian cricket lovers the best cricket - with the best international players.

  • Sam on April 9, 2012, 13:09 GMT

    No, if we allow more foreign players, then Indian domestic players would get less chances of competing with international players. How can Bhatia compete with Doeschate when he is not in the playing 11.

    All teams would use all spots for foreign players and chance for domestic players would reduce.

    Sorry, but not a good option.

  • Sunil on April 9, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    This is the way we are playing cricket an not allowing devolopment in our players because players know they no need to win the place with performance but guaranteed place. One step further if it is possible IPL should remove the rule of 4 foreign players max. Teams should have right to play their best team irrespective of players nationality

  • SAM on April 9, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    Better allow 11 international players so that the domestic players would blindly compete with all Internationals and their performance and talent would be kept for testing for every match. It would actually do wonders because they would have the confidence that they have outperformed an Int'l cricketer and have earned a place in the team. SO every day will be a challenge for the. Am I RIGHT ? Should have some sense while writing coloumns.

  • Shailesh on April 9, 2012, 12:59 GMT

    Valid point Mr. Mamgain. I feel this kind of rule can also help BCCI make a better argument to ask the ICC not hold international matches while the IPL is on, because now more international viewers will be attracted, and quality of cricket will also increase if all international cricketers are available. There are many advantages with this rule.

  • abc on April 9, 2012, 12:56 GMT

    It's Indian Premier League, and NOT Overseas Player League.

  • Ganesh Sankaran on April 9, 2012, 12:55 GMT

    If 5 foreign players is enough then why not 4 and some body might say 6 or even 11. The point is just not only the viewership but also improving the quality of our players and getting them international exposure. IPL has done one good thing in exposing them locally to international quality bowlers and coach but also it has stopped our quality players doing county cricket and the result is 4-0 in england and 4-0 in australia.

    What is good and what is bad ....?

  • Sadananda on April 9, 2012, 12:52 GMT

    "Can RP Singh and Munaf Patel keep Mitchell Johnson out of Mumbai Indians' starting XI? If no, then how do you expect them to step up their game in internationals?"

    This one line probably sums up the author's different take on the # of foreign players/team in IPL. Fantastic read!

  • Hari on April 9, 2012, 12:50 GMT

    The article is based on a mis-placed logic that if teams are allowed a 5th foriegn player, there would be a competition between an Indian and Foriegn player for that spot. Flawed! That would just create a competition between 2 foriegn players.

  • Sandeep Raheja on April 9, 2012, 12:48 GMT

    I agree completely! I mean IPL can become the best platform, to prepare a good solid bench. Nobody wants the domestic players relying on the International stars, instead try competing with them.

  • jack on April 9, 2012, 12:47 GMT

    allow 5 then 6, 7 and then no ceiling on foreign player....Rember IPL main objective was to bring up local talent(which it has lost)

  • Karthik on April 9, 2012, 12:38 GMT

    you are assuming that the owners/captain will take a risk and see how good Rajat Bhatia is compared to Ryan ten Doeschate. What makes you think that they will give a chance to Rajat Bhatia, to show his skills in the first place ? If 5 foreigners are allowed, then for sure all 5 places will be taken by foreigners.

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  • Karthik on April 9, 2012, 12:38 GMT

    you are assuming that the owners/captain will take a risk and see how good Rajat Bhatia is compared to Ryan ten Doeschate. What makes you think that they will give a chance to Rajat Bhatia, to show his skills in the first place ? If 5 foreigners are allowed, then for sure all 5 places will be taken by foreigners.

  • jack on April 9, 2012, 12:47 GMT

    allow 5 then 6, 7 and then no ceiling on foreign player....Rember IPL main objective was to bring up local talent(which it has lost)

  • Sandeep Raheja on April 9, 2012, 12:48 GMT

    I agree completely! I mean IPL can become the best platform, to prepare a good solid bench. Nobody wants the domestic players relying on the International stars, instead try competing with them.

  • Hari on April 9, 2012, 12:50 GMT

    The article is based on a mis-placed logic that if teams are allowed a 5th foriegn player, there would be a competition between an Indian and Foriegn player for that spot. Flawed! That would just create a competition between 2 foriegn players.

  • Sadananda on April 9, 2012, 12:52 GMT

    "Can RP Singh and Munaf Patel keep Mitchell Johnson out of Mumbai Indians' starting XI? If no, then how do you expect them to step up their game in internationals?"

    This one line probably sums up the author's different take on the # of foreign players/team in IPL. Fantastic read!

  • Ganesh Sankaran on April 9, 2012, 12:55 GMT

    If 5 foreign players is enough then why not 4 and some body might say 6 or even 11. The point is just not only the viewership but also improving the quality of our players and getting them international exposure. IPL has done one good thing in exposing them locally to international quality bowlers and coach but also it has stopped our quality players doing county cricket and the result is 4-0 in england and 4-0 in australia.

    What is good and what is bad ....?

  • abc on April 9, 2012, 12:56 GMT

    It's Indian Premier League, and NOT Overseas Player League.

  • Shailesh on April 9, 2012, 12:59 GMT

    Valid point Mr. Mamgain. I feel this kind of rule can also help BCCI make a better argument to ask the ICC not hold international matches while the IPL is on, because now more international viewers will be attracted, and quality of cricket will also increase if all international cricketers are available. There are many advantages with this rule.

  • SAM on April 9, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    Better allow 11 international players so that the domestic players would blindly compete with all Internationals and their performance and talent would be kept for testing for every match. It would actually do wonders because they would have the confidence that they have outperformed an Int'l cricketer and have earned a place in the team. SO every day will be a challenge for the. Am I RIGHT ? Should have some sense while writing coloumns.

  • Sunil on April 9, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    This is the way we are playing cricket an not allowing devolopment in our players because players know they no need to win the place with performance but guaranteed place. One step further if it is possible IPL should remove the rule of 4 foreign players max. Teams should have right to play their best team irrespective of players nationality