XIs October 30, 2012

The Don Bradman of bowling unpenetratively in ODIs

And the five of his cohorts who complete our XI who were good in Tests but rubbish in ODIs
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Welcome to part two of the Confectionery Stall Good-In-One-Format-But-Rubbish-In-Another XIs. Last time, the Test-Stars-But-One-Day-Flops XI top five was announced as: Slater, Vaughan, Kim Hughes, Viswanath and Samaraweera. This has understandably left some of Test cricket’s leading practitioners ‒ amongst them, Border, Gower and Laxman ‒ weeping salt tears of devastation that they had been overlooked. They have only themselves to blame, for not having been quite ordinary enough, consistently enough, in the shorter form of the international game.

Joining the aforementioned five batsman are:

6. Ian Botham (England): 102 Tests, batting average 33.5, bowling average 28.4; 116 ODIs, batting average 23.2, bowling average 28.5.

Botham is selected for his performances in the ODI arena when he was at his peak, destroyed bowling attacks and batting line-ups in Test matches as if brought to life from the pages of a comic book, whilst being just about adequate in ODIs.

Botham’s Test averages (particularly his bowling average) took a gradual pounding as the effects of injury and age diminished him over the course of his cricketing career. They had also taken a pounding for a year when, in the midst of his Himalayan Test peak, he failed to respond to a captain with whom he clearly did not gel harmoniously – himself.

In considerable mitigation, Botham made the schoolboy error of being offered the chance to become the youngest England captain since the 1880s, with little if any captaincy experience, ahead of back-to-back series against a useful West Indies outfit which vigorously eschewed the temptations of the medium-paced dibbly-dobbler. West Indies arrived in 1980 with a four-pronged bowling attack comprising Roberts, Garner, Holding and Marshall (and Croft returned in the series in the West Indies early in 1981), and a batting line-up containing Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Lloyd and Kallicharran. Mike Brearley, who had led England for the previous three years, shrewdly consulted the fixture list, the opposition’s team sheet, and his own 38-year-old birth certificate, coughed nervously, and stepped aside.

Botham’s England performed creditably enough in the circumstances, losing 1-0 at home and 2-0 away, with a total of six mostly rain-aided draws – the next three series against West Indies would bring England a considerably less impressive haul of draws (one in 15 Tests, to place proudly on the mantelpiece next to the zero wins) ‒ but Botham’s individual form nose-dived like Pinocchio in the penalty area in an Italian football match. The captaincy removed, he instantly recovered his previous form and blasted himself into English sporting immortality.

It is the peak-era non-captain Botham who walks triumphantly into this team. He was a marvel of statistics and personality in Tests, a leviathan who routinely shaped and decided matches through his extraordinary range of skills and an aura that has seldom been matched in the history of the game. At the same time, in ODIs he was a useful bit-part player who chipped in every now and again with a handy wicket or two.

At the end of the 1981 Ashes, excluding his unhappy stint as captain, Botham had a Test batting average of 42, with eight centuries in 29 matches, and a bowling average of 18, with 17 five-wicket hauls and four ten-wicket matches (plus 46 catches). He had played 27 ODIs in the ranks, averaging just under 17 with the bat, and a decent if not world-shattering 25 with the ball, but with best innings figures of just 3 for 16 (and only seven catches).

Thereafter Botham declined in the Test arena, whilst remaining capable of sporadic acts of wonder at least until 1987, but he remained bizarrely irrelevant in ODIs – between January 1983 and December 1986, he did not take more than two wickets in an ODI innings, and scored more than 30 only once. Overall, he never took an ODI five-for (and took four wickets only three times in 115 innings), and made just nine half-centuries, with a highest score of 79.

What makes it all so puzzling is that Botham clearly had the range of talents to be one of the greatest ODI players of any era. He had skill and power with the bat, craft and explosive swing with the ball. His performances in the ODI arena are one of cricket’s more curious failures.

7 & wicketkeeper. Matt Prior (England): 58 Tests, average 42.6; 68 ODIs, average 24.1.

For the last four years, Prior has been one of the highest-value cricketers in the Test game, scoring important runs regularly, and with considerable style, his reliability with the gloves increasing seemingly in direct correlation with the shininess of his pate.

His batting in Tests is a pyrotechnic cocktail of classical strokeplay and 21st-century innovation, all delivered with mellifluously classy timing, and often at its best in pressurised match situations. It is a blend that ought to have transferred seamlessly to ODIs. Instead, it has transferred to ODIs as seamlessly as Inzamam transferred to the Atkins diet.

In ODIs, Prior has failed in various incarnations over several years, and in multiple places in the batting order, leading to allegations that the Sussex Swashbuckler has a secret twin who takes the field in ODIs whilst the real Matt Prior attempts to execute a Houdini-style escape from a cricket bag to alert the confused ECB.

Prior’s Test strike rate of 64 runs per 100 balls is the seventh best of the 67 players who have scored at least 1000 Test runs since his 2007 debut. His ODI strike rate of 76 is the 74th best of the 130 batsmen who have scored more than 1000 ODI runs since Prior first donned the sacred blue of England eight years ago.

Of wicketkeeper-batsmen in Tests since May 2007, Prior has the best average, challenged closely only by Dhoni. In ODIs in the same period, even discounting Prior’s early ODI struggles before his Test career began, he is tucked in towards the back of the pack, in between Mushfiqur Rahim and Carlton Baugh. Aged almost 31, Prior still has time to rectify this, but the clock is ticking increasingly loudly.

8. John Bracewell (New Zealand): 41 Tests, 102 wickets, average 35.8; 53 ODIs, 33 wickets, average 57.0.

No one would claim John Bracewell was the greatest spin bowler in Test history. Even fewer would claim he was the greatest spin bowler in ODI history. In fact, some might even claim he was the worst.

Bracewell was a good Test bowler in an almost spin-free era, and played a vital all-round role in New Zealand winning three successive series against Australia, and in England in 1986. He was one of only five spinners to take 100 Test wickets between 1980, just after the great Indian spin era had come to an end, and the 1992-93 season, when Warne, Murali and Kumble all made their Test breakthroughs.

However, in ODIs, he was unremittingly useless. Since one-day cricket shuffled accidentally and unobtrusively onto the international scene in 1971, 402 bowlers have taken 25 or more ODI wickets. Bracewell’s average of 57 places him way out on his own with the most rubbish ODI average of all time – a full five runs per wicket worse than his nearest challenger, Asanka Gurusinha, who was, verifiably, a batsman, not a bowler. Bracewell also has the worst strike rate (74) of those 402 bowlers, and is one of only four of them who never took three wickets in an ODI innings. In fact, he took two wickets only eight times in 50 ODI innings. John Bracewell was the Don Bradman of bowling unpenetratively in ODIs.

And do not be fooled by his economy rate of 4.6. It might appear tidy by 21st-century standards, but bear in mind Bracewell was playing in the 1980s – over the course of his career, he had the eighth-worst economy rate of the 63 bowlers who bowled at least 200 overs in ODIs.

He fights off strong competition for the spinner’s spot from Tim May (Test average 34, ODI average 45), Tauseef Ahmed (31 v 40), Rangana Herath (31 v 44), and Abdur Rehman (28 v 45), partly because the others maintained far tidier economy rates. But mostly because he was the Don Bradman of bowling unpenetratively in ODIs.

9. Dion Nash (New Zealand): 32 Tests, 93 wickets, average 28.4; 81 ODIs, 64 wickets, average 40.9.

Nash qualifies as the only man to have taken 40 or more wickets in both Tests and ODIs and to have averaged under 30 in the five-day game but over 40 in one-dayers.

Kiwi cricket is festooned with bowlers who have been far better in the shorter game – Geoff Allott, Chris Pringle, Kyle Mills and Chris Harris, to name but a few ‒ but Nash did his heroic best to buck that trend, and buck it hard. He has the fourth-best average of the 32 New Zealanders to have taken 50 Test wickets, but none of the 23 Kiwis who have taken 50 ODI wickets has taken them more expensively.

10. Jeff Thomson (Australia): 51 Tests, 200 wickets, average 28.0; 50 ODIs, 55 wickets, average 35.3.

Another deeply curious one-day failure. Thomson was, for a while, not only the most petrifying sight in the history of cricket, but one of the most terrifying things in the entire 1970s world, alongside the lingering threat of nuclear war, fictional shark star Jaws, and Margaret Thatcher’s smile.

But in one-day international cricket, he was basically useless. Of the 32 bowlers who had taken 35 or more ODI wickets by the end of Thomson’s career in 1985, the Sydney Slinger had the second-worst average, better only than Viv Richards, who at that stage in his career made up for his bowling average of 37 – still handy for an occasional support bowler – by being comfortably the best one-day international batsman in the universe.

Thomson also had the sixth-worst economy rate, and third-worst strike rate. Oddly, the third-best strike rate in those early ODI years was boasted by part-time West Indian tweakman Larry Gomes. It is probably fair to say that, given the choice, most batsmen would still have chosen to face the taciturn Trinidadian’s gentle spinners. In fact, his success may have been down to batsmen making the not unreasonable choice to get out to him before having their faces rearranged by a 95mph nose-tickler from Garner or Holding.

Thomson only once took four wickets in an ODI innings, and even then he conceded 67 runs (against West Indies in February 1978, at that time one of the most expensive analyses by a Test-nation bowler in an ODI). Most of his pace contemporaries in a glorious era for flinging round leather-covered balls as fast as humanly possible were also significant and often decisive influences in one-dayers. Thomson was slightly less useful than Jeremy Coney.

11. Mohammad Asif (Pakistan): 23 Tests, 106 wickets, average 24.36; 38 ODIs 46 wickets, average 33.13.

When history judges Asif’s career, it is likely to concentrate more on him being a very naughty boy than on his struggles to replicate his stellar Test form in the limited-overs format. One of 21st-century seam bowling’s foremost artists, Asif could have been an all-time great if he had learned to control himself with the same mastery with which he controlled small round bits of red leather.

The white ball, however, eluded his skill-set almost as much as the ability not to be sent to jail. Over the period of his Test career, Asif had the sixth-best average of the 66 bowlers who took 35 or more wickets. Over the span of his ODI career, he had the 67th best average of the 96 bowlers with 35 or more victims.

If you exclude his unsuccessful first two Tests and his final match, which was utterly disastrous on every conceivable level, the divergence is even more pronounced. And his ODI bowling struggles were mirrored with the bat – he averaged a paltry 3.7 in ODIs but a positively Miandadesque 5.6 in Tests. Narrowly edges out, amongst others, Bruce Reid (Test average 24, ODI average 34).

The full Test-Stars-But-One-Day-Flops XI: Slater, Vaughan, Kim Hughes, Viswanath, Samaraweera, Botham, Prior, Bracewell, Nash, Thomson, Mohammad Asif.

The team of ODI-Legends-But-Test-Match-Muppets that they will humiliate in a three-Test series but be eviscerated by in a subsequent seven-game ODI rubber will be announced in the next blog. Selection will be even more hotly contested.

Andy Zaltzman is a stand-up comedian, a regular on the BBC Radio 4, and a writer

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  • Sir Francis on November 10, 2012, 21:26 GMT

    Re: Thommo. He was born & bred in Sydney. He actually opened the bowling with Lenny Pascoe for Bankstown High!!! Imaging facing that at school. As for Botham. Easily explained. His test bowling ave. against most teams, especially during the Packer era, was - 2 and his batting ave. was infinity. However, when you factor in his stats against good teams (ie WI) he averaged 20 with the bat (no tons) and 35 with the ball. So he was the greatest flat track bully in the sentient universe. No wonder he was also rubbish at ODI.

  • Kartik on November 2, 2012, 21:38 GMT

    The idiots (on this comment thread and the Part 1 as well) who think Dravid, Sehwag, or even Laxman should be in this list are too ignorant for this blog. Andy even explained why Laxman should not be on.

    Now, for the ODI-Legends-But-Test-Match-Muppets :

    Phil Simmons, Bevan, Jadeja, Agarkar, ZinZan Harris, and Mohammed Sami for sure.

    A case can be made that bits and pieces ODI players who could not even qualify for Tests should count, like Ian Harvey and Robin Singh.

  • pravin on November 1, 2012, 10:24 GMT

    Very Wodehousian Andy! especially the one on Mike Brearly. But i find from the link on `best one-day international batsman' that Gavaskar had made no hundreds. If i remember correctly, he made one against the Kiwis in a WC !

  • Kartik on October 31, 2012, 19:05 GMT

    ODI-Legends-But-Test-Match-Muppets :

    Bevan, Agarkar, Jadeja, and Zinzan Harris for sure...

    Ian Harvey never played Tests at all, so not sure if he would qualify.

  • starbird on October 31, 2012, 12:16 GMT

    Hi Andy I'm disappointed that most of the responses to your brilliant article focus on the selection issues of the XI in question or proposing candidates for the next one. Surely others,like me, were roaring with laughter at your Matt Prior entry where you astutely say that his skills have transferred to ODIs 'as seamlessly as Inzaman transferred to the Atkins diet...' Or that history will judge Mohammad Asif primarily as 'a very naughty boy'. These are moments of writing genius, where insight and comedy combine to explode in pure hilarity. This is for me life-enriching stuff, no less!Thank you, and please continue writing like this for ever...

  • abhishek yadav on October 31, 2012, 7:48 GMT

    Nice working andy ,also opt for odi stars t-20 failure

  • Tester on October 31, 2012, 7:07 GMT

    Good Post

  • Manish on October 31, 2012, 5:57 GMT

    Waiting for good_in_odis_rubbish_in_tests XI

  • Kartik on October 31, 2012, 5:52 GMT

    ODI-Legends-But-Test-Match-Muppets :

    I await with bated breath!! But for sure, the two that will come in are Bevan and Agarkar.

    Agarkar's failure in Tests is well known. But few realize how well he did in ODIs. If one were to compare Agarkar's ODI stats to others, he pretty much did just as well as..... SHANE WARNE. In bowling and batting both.

    The chasm in their Test performances notwithstanding, Ajit Agarkar had ODI career stats that compare equitably to those of Shane Warne. Yep. Go check for yourself.

  • rachit on October 31, 2012, 5:06 GMT

    for the ODI-Legends-But-Test-Match-Muppets team, yuvraj singh and ajay jadeja are 2 names that come to my mind immediately .. bevan of course is the ultimate one .. but i doubt if dhoni shud be included ... afterallan average of 38 in tests for a WK captain is good ... not justifying him but i think someone else deserves the spot better ... probably arjuna ranatunga shud be the captain ...

  • Sir Francis on November 10, 2012, 21:26 GMT

    Re: Thommo. He was born & bred in Sydney. He actually opened the bowling with Lenny Pascoe for Bankstown High!!! Imaging facing that at school. As for Botham. Easily explained. His test bowling ave. against most teams, especially during the Packer era, was - 2 and his batting ave. was infinity. However, when you factor in his stats against good teams (ie WI) he averaged 20 with the bat (no tons) and 35 with the ball. So he was the greatest flat track bully in the sentient universe. No wonder he was also rubbish at ODI.

  • Kartik on November 2, 2012, 21:38 GMT

    The idiots (on this comment thread and the Part 1 as well) who think Dravid, Sehwag, or even Laxman should be in this list are too ignorant for this blog. Andy even explained why Laxman should not be on.

    Now, for the ODI-Legends-But-Test-Match-Muppets :

    Phil Simmons, Bevan, Jadeja, Agarkar, ZinZan Harris, and Mohammed Sami for sure.

    A case can be made that bits and pieces ODI players who could not even qualify for Tests should count, like Ian Harvey and Robin Singh.

  • pravin on November 1, 2012, 10:24 GMT

    Very Wodehousian Andy! especially the one on Mike Brearly. But i find from the link on `best one-day international batsman' that Gavaskar had made no hundreds. If i remember correctly, he made one against the Kiwis in a WC !

  • Kartik on October 31, 2012, 19:05 GMT

    ODI-Legends-But-Test-Match-Muppets :

    Bevan, Agarkar, Jadeja, and Zinzan Harris for sure...

    Ian Harvey never played Tests at all, so not sure if he would qualify.

  • starbird on October 31, 2012, 12:16 GMT

    Hi Andy I'm disappointed that most of the responses to your brilliant article focus on the selection issues of the XI in question or proposing candidates for the next one. Surely others,like me, were roaring with laughter at your Matt Prior entry where you astutely say that his skills have transferred to ODIs 'as seamlessly as Inzaman transferred to the Atkins diet...' Or that history will judge Mohammad Asif primarily as 'a very naughty boy'. These are moments of writing genius, where insight and comedy combine to explode in pure hilarity. This is for me life-enriching stuff, no less!Thank you, and please continue writing like this for ever...

  • abhishek yadav on October 31, 2012, 7:48 GMT

    Nice working andy ,also opt for odi stars t-20 failure

  • Tester on October 31, 2012, 7:07 GMT

    Good Post

  • Manish on October 31, 2012, 5:57 GMT

    Waiting for good_in_odis_rubbish_in_tests XI

  • Kartik on October 31, 2012, 5:52 GMT

    ODI-Legends-But-Test-Match-Muppets :

    I await with bated breath!! But for sure, the two that will come in are Bevan and Agarkar.

    Agarkar's failure in Tests is well known. But few realize how well he did in ODIs. If one were to compare Agarkar's ODI stats to others, he pretty much did just as well as..... SHANE WARNE. In bowling and batting both.

    The chasm in their Test performances notwithstanding, Ajit Agarkar had ODI career stats that compare equitably to those of Shane Warne. Yep. Go check for yourself.

  • rachit on October 31, 2012, 5:06 GMT

    for the ODI-Legends-But-Test-Match-Muppets team, yuvraj singh and ajay jadeja are 2 names that come to my mind immediately .. bevan of course is the ultimate one .. but i doubt if dhoni shud be included ... afterallan average of 38 in tests for a WK captain is good ... not justifying him but i think someone else deserves the spot better ... probably arjuna ranatunga shud be the captain ...

  • Kerry Gallagher on October 30, 2012, 23:55 GMT

    I suggest Simon Doull. Bowled at 29.30 in the tests and 40.52 in ODIs.

  • PK on October 30, 2012, 21:02 GMT

    Nice work. Looking forward to the reverse article, although I suspect it will be a lot easier to find candidates who were mindless sloggers or tight but unpenetrative bowlers. Plus, the interest in this first article seems to have prompted many spoilers to name the team already. One point on which I take issue - Jeff Thomson may have played his early 1st Class circket for NSW, but he played almost all of it for Queensland, and is widely regarded as a Queenslander, so it's a significant insult to refer to him as the Sydney Slinger.

  • Prithvi on October 30, 2012, 20:11 GMT

    How can Sunil Gavaskar with his legendary 36 n.o be excluded from any list of this proportions?

  • MSC on October 30, 2012, 20:11 GMT

    Your bias is showing. No Gavaskar in the batsmen list!

    Plus what about a list of average players in test and one-day? You fear that it will be filled mostly by Indians.

    There, I have proved it that you have an obvious bias!

  • Chris on October 30, 2012, 19:32 GMT

    I would like to make a case for the ex-Zimbabwean seamer and current commentator, Pommy Mbangwa, who did pretty well in test matches (32 wickets at 31.43), but never quite came to terms with ODIs (11 wickets at 103.63), although he did cause England some trouble in the World Cup of 1999, dismissing Thorpe and Hick, I think.

  • Sigismund on October 30, 2012, 19:20 GMT

    Andy, The fruits of your many long, dark nights spent thrashing about in the arms of your passionate mistress are a delight and a privilege to behold. Thank you.

  • Tushar Radke on October 30, 2012, 18:10 GMT

    ODI legends and test Muppets should include Bevan, Dhoni and Agarkar for sure. Maybe yuvraj as well. Raina will be a definite addition in that list when he has failed in sufficient tests.

  • SanjayN on October 30, 2012, 16:04 GMT

    Andy, wasn't Thommo really a Queensland slinger as opposed to one from Sydney?

    Or perhaps we should call him "Brisbane Big Mouth" as he has to be the most hyped fast bowler in the history of the game. Sure he was quick - all of 1.5 years - but take a look at his Test career in detail and you will find that had he been under today's media scrutiny he'd be placed alongside Steve Harmison in the patheon of fast bowling greats, that is, great for ONE series and fairly useless the rest of his career. I'm glad you exposed his utterly useless performances in ODI cricket.

    These days, you'll find him at any and every speaking engagement, usually with his mate Bumble in tow talking about ONE fast delivery that Thommo slung towards Bumble's box.

  • Humungousfungus on October 30, 2012, 15:58 GMT

    Michael Bevan a certainty for Test Flops but ODI Legends team, as are, for me, Neil Fairbrother and Nick Knight. Slightly more controversially perhaps, I always felt that Allan Lamb significantly under-achieved at Test level, given how superb a player he was, and that he was a completely different player in ODIs. I acknowledge I may be alone in this opinion, however. And without wanting to shoot some very obvious fish in a very large barrel, any of Suresh Raina, Yuvraj Singh, Ashish Nehra, and Ajantha Mendis would fit very nicely into this XI (although 'Legends' is stretching it for any of these). Too early at this point to give full judgement on Eoin Morgan, I think, but he's in the Development XI as it stands...

  • Tom on October 30, 2012, 13:52 GMT

    Will echo everyone else Andy, love your XIs (and your weekly sports round-up for Al Murray on Radio 5Live). But surely the obvious opponents for the Test-Stars-But-One-Day-Flops are T20-Legends-But-ODI-Numpties? Then let them do battle over seven 50-over matches!

  • RB on October 30, 2012, 13:51 GMT

    To Tony: I think MSD will easily win the captaincy over Bevan since he has experience with captaincy in the Test arena with unbelievable incompetency. As Inspector Clouseau once said "I have failed where others have succeeded"

  • Luke on October 30, 2012, 12:25 GMT

    "In ODIs, Prior has failed in various incarnations over several years, and in multiple places in the batting order, leading to allegations that the Sussex Swashbuckler has a secret twin who takes the field in ODIs" Don't forget that the twin wrestles, too. He almost won the WWE title on Sunday.

  • Alexander Czarnecki on October 30, 2012, 12:06 GMT

    I know Bevan will make it into the ODI-Legends-But-Test-Match-Muppets team...

  • Tony on October 30, 2012, 10:04 GMT

    Nice work Andy... might I be so bold as to venture an opinion as to the most clear inclusion in the ODI star / Test Match Flop team?

    Michael Bevan. Captain. Vice Captain. Team Manager. Trainer. Coach. Tea Lady and Driver of the team bus.

  • David Murray Milne on October 30, 2012, 8:37 GMT

    Zalt, thoroughly entertaining and educational - an almost elusive combination in the 21st century. This will now obviously have to extend to a useless at T20, amazing in ODI's but out in the first few weeks of Strictly/Celebrity get me out of here/Big Brother XI's etc etc. Variations on this format could extend for years.

  • v.v.s.r.murthy on October 30, 2012, 8:31 GMT

    What abt v.v.s.laxman who scored 8000 odd runs in test cricket with healthy batting avg of 45.63 in tests and 2301 in odis with just 31.01 batting avg.

  • Micko on October 30, 2012, 7:35 GMT

    Always love you XI's Andy! I'm trying to guess who wil make your next one. I assume Bevan is a shoo in, and possibly Hick. Nick Knight, Eoin Morgan, Dippenaar, Raina/Yuvraj possibly? As for bowlers it seems a harder pick. I'm thinking Otis Gibson, Mendis (Although SL seem to treat him poorly), and Possibly Brett Lee, although that would be a bit harsh on him. I'm not sure what you are thinking the minimum number of tests is required to get in the list, otherwise I there are a lot of easy choices of people who have only played a handful of tests such as Bracken, Tait or Lokuarachchi.

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  • Micko on October 30, 2012, 7:35 GMT

    Always love you XI's Andy! I'm trying to guess who wil make your next one. I assume Bevan is a shoo in, and possibly Hick. Nick Knight, Eoin Morgan, Dippenaar, Raina/Yuvraj possibly? As for bowlers it seems a harder pick. I'm thinking Otis Gibson, Mendis (Although SL seem to treat him poorly), and Possibly Brett Lee, although that would be a bit harsh on him. I'm not sure what you are thinking the minimum number of tests is required to get in the list, otherwise I there are a lot of easy choices of people who have only played a handful of tests such as Bracken, Tait or Lokuarachchi.

  • v.v.s.r.murthy on October 30, 2012, 8:31 GMT

    What abt v.v.s.laxman who scored 8000 odd runs in test cricket with healthy batting avg of 45.63 in tests and 2301 in odis with just 31.01 batting avg.

  • David Murray Milne on October 30, 2012, 8:37 GMT

    Zalt, thoroughly entertaining and educational - an almost elusive combination in the 21st century. This will now obviously have to extend to a useless at T20, amazing in ODI's but out in the first few weeks of Strictly/Celebrity get me out of here/Big Brother XI's etc etc. Variations on this format could extend for years.

  • Tony on October 30, 2012, 10:04 GMT

    Nice work Andy... might I be so bold as to venture an opinion as to the most clear inclusion in the ODI star / Test Match Flop team?

    Michael Bevan. Captain. Vice Captain. Team Manager. Trainer. Coach. Tea Lady and Driver of the team bus.

  • Alexander Czarnecki on October 30, 2012, 12:06 GMT

    I know Bevan will make it into the ODI-Legends-But-Test-Match-Muppets team...

  • Luke on October 30, 2012, 12:25 GMT

    "In ODIs, Prior has failed in various incarnations over several years, and in multiple places in the batting order, leading to allegations that the Sussex Swashbuckler has a secret twin who takes the field in ODIs" Don't forget that the twin wrestles, too. He almost won the WWE title on Sunday.

  • RB on October 30, 2012, 13:51 GMT

    To Tony: I think MSD will easily win the captaincy over Bevan since he has experience with captaincy in the Test arena with unbelievable incompetency. As Inspector Clouseau once said "I have failed where others have succeeded"

  • Tom on October 30, 2012, 13:52 GMT

    Will echo everyone else Andy, love your XIs (and your weekly sports round-up for Al Murray on Radio 5Live). But surely the obvious opponents for the Test-Stars-But-One-Day-Flops are T20-Legends-But-ODI-Numpties? Then let them do battle over seven 50-over matches!

  • Humungousfungus on October 30, 2012, 15:58 GMT

    Michael Bevan a certainty for Test Flops but ODI Legends team, as are, for me, Neil Fairbrother and Nick Knight. Slightly more controversially perhaps, I always felt that Allan Lamb significantly under-achieved at Test level, given how superb a player he was, and that he was a completely different player in ODIs. I acknowledge I may be alone in this opinion, however. And without wanting to shoot some very obvious fish in a very large barrel, any of Suresh Raina, Yuvraj Singh, Ashish Nehra, and Ajantha Mendis would fit very nicely into this XI (although 'Legends' is stretching it for any of these). Too early at this point to give full judgement on Eoin Morgan, I think, but he's in the Development XI as it stands...

  • SanjayN on October 30, 2012, 16:04 GMT

    Andy, wasn't Thommo really a Queensland slinger as opposed to one from Sydney?

    Or perhaps we should call him "Brisbane Big Mouth" as he has to be the most hyped fast bowler in the history of the game. Sure he was quick - all of 1.5 years - but take a look at his Test career in detail and you will find that had he been under today's media scrutiny he'd be placed alongside Steve Harmison in the patheon of fast bowling greats, that is, great for ONE series and fairly useless the rest of his career. I'm glad you exposed his utterly useless performances in ODI cricket.

    These days, you'll find him at any and every speaking engagement, usually with his mate Bumble in tow talking about ONE fast delivery that Thommo slung towards Bumble's box.